* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] I'VE LOST COUNT, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN, WHY DON'T YOU OPEN THIS UP THIS MORNING, PLEASE. I'LL BE GLAD TO. THANK YOU, JUDGE, TO LET US PRAY. MS. GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK THEE FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY OF GATHERING TOGETHER TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY. PLEASE LOOK DOWN UPON US WITH FAVOR AND GIVE US THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISIONS. UH, WE THANK THEY FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS THAT WE GET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND WE THANK THEY FOR THE LIFE-GIVING REIGN THAT WE GOT OVER THE WEEKEND. PLEASE LOOK DOWN UPON OUR SOLDIERS WITH FAVOR AS THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY AND BRING THEM HOME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. ALL THIS WE ASK IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC. FOR WHICH ONE? NATION OF GOD IN LIBERTY ON I PLEDGE TEXAS ONE SAINT. AMEN. GOD, ONE AN INDIVIDUAL. OKAY. HOPEFULLY Y'ALL WILL PROVIDE A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING. IF THERE ARE NO ADDITION MARKED CORRECTIONS, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON, SECOND COMMISSIONER SELLER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS RICHARD MURPHY. YOU'RE GOING TO BRING US THE, UH, TAX ACCESSOR COLLECTIVE REPORT FOR FEBRUARY. GOOD MORNING. I HAVE THE RIGHT. OKAY. , GOOD MORNING. THROUGH FEBRUARY. IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAD COLLECTED 25.5 MILLION AND IN THE ROAD BRIDGE 4.1 MILLION, WHICH IS BETWEEN 88 AND 89%. OVERALL, THAT COMPARES, LAST YEAR AT THIS POINT WAS 90%, BUT EVERY YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS 88 OR LESS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE PLEASED WITH WHERE WE STAND. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT AVERAGE THEN, RIGHT? YES. SO THERE'S UH, GOOD. UH, ANY COMMENTS? NO. ACCEPT THAT COMMISSIONER CLARK. COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. AYE. A AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, DAVID. THANK OPPOSED TO WORK. WELL, NOW LET'S SEE. THAT BRINGS ROUND TO THE, UM, AUDITOR HAL JONES. AND YOU'VE GOT REPORT FEBRUARY AUDITOR. IS THAT, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? I HOPE SO, UNLESS YOU ARE. HEY, LOOK AT, IT'S GOTTEN SO BIG NOW. HE IS GOT, GOT TWO PRINTOUTS NOW FOR REVENUE. ONE FOR YOU DON'T HAVE IT. WAS THAT THE ONLY THING? THE THINK SO IT'S TOO FAR DOWN THERE. GOT THERE IS PONY EXPRESS. THE PONY EXPRESS. OKAY. THEN YOU DON'T FOLLOW. UH, THIS REPORT WILL BE ON MY DESK THIS WEEK. I COME DOWN AND SEE HOW THE FUNDS ARE SITTING. I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON, BY COMMISSIONER BALLARD. ALL IN FAIR SKY. UH, MOTION CARRIES. UH, THIS, IT INTERESTING. LARRY, IS LARRY HERE? LARRY CALLED. LARRY CALLED ME THIS MORNING AND SAID, LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT PUT IT, PUT IT ON IT EXPIRED ABOUT, WHAT, FOUR OR FIVE DAYS AGO? IT WAS A 30 DAY AND IT EXPIRED ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DAYS AGO. HE SAID, LET'S, LET'S JUST LEAVE IT EXPIRING. OKAY. SO THE COUNTYWIDE BURN BAND HAS EXPIRED BY OPERATION [00:05:01] OF LAW AND, UH, WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT BACK ON AT THIS TIME. YOU NEED A TABLE MOTION? UH, YEAH. YOU'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE, UH, TABLE THE TIME BEING SECOND. COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAIR? SAY I MOTION CARRIES. UH, THIS NEXT ITEM, WE'RE GOING TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT UNTIL, UH, UH, GEORGE WILFORD GETS HERE. OKAY? THIS BRINGS US AROUND TO, UH, DISCUSSING AND CONSIDER OPENING THE WAR. LET'S NOT 10 O'CLOCK YET, OR IS THIS SET FOR NINE 30? YOU HAD WAKE IT UP AT NINE 30. ALL WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, ISSUE ON IT'S FIRST ON MY HAVE. OKAY. UH, THIS IS REGARDING WHAT THE, UH, LAST CONTRACT? YES, SIR. WE WERE VOTING TO DO. RIGHT? UH, OF COURSE, Y'ALL AWARE, UH, THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, BUT UNDER 2 62 1 0 2 4 OF THE LAW OF GOVERNMENT CODE. WE NEED TO GET THE COURT TO, UH, GRANT THAT EXEMPTION. THEY ARE A, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICE. OH, YEAH. OKAY. I DID ENTERTAIN THE MOTION. I MOTION JUDGE COMMISSIONER SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. DID YOU GET THAT? MARYANNE? UH, NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE OPENING THE, AND AWARD THE BID ZERO NINE DASH ZERO SIX TO USE SELF PROPELLED SINGLE DRUM RULE FOR PRECINCT ONE. YES, SIR. I HAVE TWO BIDS THIS MORNING. UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ROUND WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO ALLOW YOU TO OPEN. HE MAY NOT GET A SECOND. SECOND. MR. JACKSON WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. YOU CAN OPEN THE BID. ALRIGHT. FIRST BID IS FROM HILLTOP, SHEILA HILLTOP, TWO RENTAL, UH, CAMBO CAM, TEXAS TOMBO, AND HE IS BIDDING A, UH, STONE IS THE BRAND 84 X AT 87,087,000. NEXT BID IS FROM BAIN MACHINERY DALLAS. AND THAT PRICE IS, UH, HE'S BIDDING A BIBLE MAX 55,000 BUCKS. IS IT GIVEN THE MODEL NUMBER? IS THAT HE SAYS SIX 50. THREE 50, I BELIEVE IT'S A, UH, VM. ONE 16. ONE 16. YES, SIR. IT'S A PAD FOOT. AND I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROUNDS GETS FAMILIAR WITH THIS PIECE. EQUIPMENT? YES, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE HAD AT LEAST FOR ABOUT THREE, FOUR MONTHS, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, MAKING, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROUND WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NOW, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY? BAIN. BANE. MACHINERY. DID YOU GET THAT? MARYANNE? WHAT WAS THE PRICE AGAIN? $55,000 EVEN. THEY TOOK OUR LEASE PAYMENTS OFF OF IT. I THINK IT WAS, UH, 77 OR 80, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE LEASED IT. I GUESS WE LEASED IT SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS. OKAY, THAT MOTION CARRIED. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER A LEASE PURCHASE OF A WHEEL EXCAVATOR FOR PRECINCT NUMBER FOUR WITH THE REPURCHASE OPTION FROM CATERPILLAR THROUGH THE BUYBACK COOPERATIVE PROGRAM. I BELIEVE THE GENTLE MAY HAVE A COPY OF THAT PROPOSAL. UH, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE MACHINE IS 168,686 AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, IT'S A BUYBACK GUARANTEE FOR CATERPILLAR. I THINK YOU MAY ALSO HAVE A ATTACHMENT [00:10:01] FROM, UH, BANKCORP SOUTH ON THE, UH, PAYMENT FOR MACHINE. AND, UH, THIS IS ON BUYBOARD. I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. MR. APPRECIATE. YES. THAT ONE THING I WANNA SAY IS I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT IN GETTING THIS, THIS INTEREST RATE. IT'S REALLY FANTASTIC. THERE'S JUST, I DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD DO IT. I APPRECIATE IT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY, BILL, I'M WAITING. WHAT DID WE GET TO BAR THAT LET YOU USE IT TODAY SO YOU CAN'T GET, UH, OKAY. NEXT WE WANT DISCUSS, UH, SETTING A DATE FOR THE COUNTY CLEANUP. YES, SIR. UH, I JUST KIND OF WANT GET THIS THING WRONG SO I GET SOME MENTS OUT, UH, RELATED TO THAT, UH, I THOUGHT I BRING TO THE COURT IF YOU GUYS DECIDE YOU MIGHT WANNA DO THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE MOTHER'S DAY IS MAY THE 10TH. THAT'S THE WEEKEND THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT ALL THESE YEARS. I CHANGE, OR NOT. FRIDAY IS A EIGHTH. SATURDAYS THE NINTH, AND THEN MOTHER'S DAY WE'VE BEEN DOING EVERY YEAR. I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST EIGHT THE NIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY BROTHER? WE DID THE WEEK BEFORE. MOTHER. LAST YEAR? YEAH, BEFORE, BECAUSE I, WEEK BEFORE SOME OF THE GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY LIKE TO I DON'T HAVE TALKING. MIGHT TAKE WEEKEND OFF TO SEE THEM OR SOMETHING. DO IT WEEK BEFORE. SO WE DID THE WEEK BEFORE MONDAY, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. WE DID. SOMETIMES WE'VE DONE IT THE WEEK AFTERWARDS. IF COME SO EARLY, UH, WOULD THAT BE FIRST AND FIRST AND SECOND? FIRST AND SECOND. I, I PREFER TO LEAVE THAT MOTHER'S DAY WEEKEND OPEN. OKAY. I MEAN, I DUNNO HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THAT, BUT I SECOND THAT. OKAY. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DOER TO SET THE COUNTYWIDE CLEANUP FOR 2009 TO BE MAY 1ST AND MAY 2ND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. YOU STILL UP THERE, JACK? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, LET'S DISCUSS BID FOR A WASTE OF COUNTY CLEANUP ADVERTISING FOR BIDS. I WOULD OPPOSE, UH, UH, CLOSING THAT BID ON, UH, APRIL 16TH. AND, UH, HOPING ON MONDAY, UH, APRIL 20TH. APRIL 16TH. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROW. SECONDED BACK TO COMMISSIONER LER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. YOU'RE STILL UP THERE. OBJECT. YEAH. NEXT, WE ON DISCUSS THE SAY PURCHASING OF DUMP TRUCKS WITH PURCHASE THREE. WHAT? THIS ONE? YES. THE, UH, YES. OH, THE GROUND MAINTENANCE. YES. ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS GROUND MAINTENANCE. YES, JUDGE, I WOULD PROPOSAL SAME DATES. UM, I'LL TELL YOU, LEMME BACK UP. I WOULD DO, I THINK I RECOMMEND, UH, CLOSING OUT ON APRIL 9TH AND AWARDING ON, UH, APRIL 13TH ON BOTH OF THEM? OR, UH, JUST THAT MAINTEN I MAY NEED. GET THAT OUT SOONER. APRIL 19TH. APRIL 9TH. OH, NINTH AND CLOSE ON THE 13TH. 13TH, OKAY. AND IF YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S GENERATION INSURANCE WAY YEAH, IT'S, UH, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM. THE INSURANCE THAT THEY NEED IS A PROBLEM FOR SOMEBODY AROUND THERE LOCALLY. WE DO. WE WE DON'T USUALLY GIVE A ONE BID, DO WE? UH, UH, LAST TIME WE BID OUT THAT GENTLEMAN DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE, BUT I THINK HE GUY. BUT, UH, IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE TO GO FURTHER OUT TO DALLAS AND TRY TO GET SOME OTHER BID, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPETITIVE. WE, IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST THAT ONE. BUT ANYWAY, AND, AND WE DO PUT THAT ON THE STATE WEBSITE. OKAY. JUST DO THAT. AND THEN WE'LL, ARE WE SCOPE, WE BID IN THESE, UH, SEPARATELY. EACH LOCATION SEPARATELY? YES SIR. EACH LOCATION BE, IT'S ALL THE SAME BID, BUT IT'LL BE, BUT IT MAY BROKEN DOWN ON EACH LOCATION IN TOTAL. OKAY. YEAH. THE AMOUNT FOR EACH LOCATION WILL BE LISTED ON THERE, OR IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. IF YOU HAVE ANY LOCATION YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, LEMME KNOW ON. UH, YES. UH, COMMISSIONER ROUND. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. [00:15:04] NOW DOES THAT BRING US DOWN TO THE DUMP TRUCKS? YES, SIR, IT DOES. THIS IS THE SAME PROGRAM WE, WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING THE LAST THREE YEARS OR SO. UH, PRECINCT, UH, ONE AND PRECINCT THREE BOTH HAVE TWO TRUCKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DUE. UH, AND THEY WOULD ALSO BE ON THAT BUYBACK. I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS. UH, MY ESTIMATE SHOW THAT, UH, APPROXIMATELY 16 MONTHS, THOSE TRUCKS COST US $867 A MONTH. AND, UH, THAT'S ABOUT HALF WHAT, WHAT A PAYMENT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO BUY THAT OUTRIGHT. COURSE YOU'RE ALWAYS A WARRANTY. WHAT IS THE PURCHASE PRICE ON THESE ARE? THEY'RE GOING 99,400. AND UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT ALSO. UH, THEY WERE BUYING 'EM BACK LESS 6,000. NOW THEY'RE BUYING 'EM BACK LESS. 9,000. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GUARANTEE. 9,000. THAT'S DUE TO THE MARKET WHERE THEY HAVE SO MANY TRUCKS, THESE TRUCKS OUT THERE. UH, SO THAT'S A MINIMUM AMOUNT WE GET BACK. IT COULD BE MORE THAN THAT. AND WE MIGHT EVEN WANT TEST THE WATER WITH, WITH A, WITH A OPTION BACK. WE HAVE THAT OPTION THAT THE, UH, WASN'T THE PURCHASE OPTION JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO. 8,006 SIX. IT WENT SIX NINE. NOW I WENT SIX TO EIGHT AND THEN WENT AFTER THAT. NO. BEEN OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER ONE AND THREE. COMMISSIONER JACKSON WILL MAKE THE MOTION. SURE. COMMISSIONER WILL SECOND. ALL IN MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, NOW WE GONNA DISCUSS, UH, TO A, WHETHER WE SHOULD ADVERTISE A BID FOR ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR ROAD EMULSIONS FOR ALL THE PRECINCTS. JACK, UH, GENTLEMEN, I, I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE SUPPLIERS ON THAT COMMODITY AND, UH, LIKE COFFMAN COUNTY FOUND OUT THAT MOST COUNTIES ARE BIG, KIND BACK AT THE WRONG TIME OF YEAR. MAYBE ADVANTAGE TO US, IF WE WERE TO BID THAT OUT AND CLOSE IT ABOUT THE SAME TIME Y'ALL START THE PRODUCT AND THEN ASK FOR A 90 DAY FIRM PRICING AND GIVE THEM A NUMBER ON HOW MUCH WE EXPECT TO UTILIZE, TALK TO THE VENDORS IF THEY'D BE BETTER FOR US. BETTER PRICE IF WE DO THAT OPPOSED TO DOING IT IN SEPTEMBER. YEAH. AND PRICES GO UP AND STUFF LIKE THAT. PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. THAT MIGHT SAVE SOME MONEY. THAT'S A LOT BETTER. THE BIDS, UH, MIDDLE OF MAY OR, AND I I HAVE TO ASK YOU, UH, GENTLEMAN, WHAT, WHEN DO Y'ALL EXPECT WHERE YOU START USING THAT PRODUCT? UH, IS THAT, IS THAT IN MAY OR JUNE OR WHEN, WHEN YOU RESTART? SOMETIME IN MAY. YEAH, MAY DEPENDS ON THE WEATHER. OBVIOUSLY. I JUST BY USING SOME IN COULD BE SOME IN APRIL. IN APRIL. BUT SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A CONTRACT, WE CAN PIGGYBACK OFF. NOT WE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT ACTUALLY GOOD SEPTEMBER COUNTY, UH, SO WE COULD, UH, CLOSE THESE BIDS ON, ON, UH, MAY 1ST OR MAY 8TH. DID YOU THINK THAT YEAH. WHICH, WHICHEVER ONE DON'T MATTER. I JUST, UH, CLOSE THEM ON, UH, MAY 8TH AND THEN OPEN ON MAY 11TH. THAT GOOD? UH, I GUESS YOU'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THEN THAT COMMISSIONER DOLLER WILL MAKE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU JACK. NOW I SEE WHAT THE SHERIFF WROTE IN, IN THAT BIG BOX. NEXT ITEM IS, UH, CONSIDERING THE ANNUAL RATIO PROFILE REPORT FOR THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE'VE HAD NO COMPLAINTS, JUDGE, NO COMPLAINTS, UH, REGARDING, UH, RACIAL PROFILE IN THIS PAST. THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK. NO, THAT'S GOOD WORK. WELL, I KNOW THAT GREAT WORK SHERIFF. THE ONE COMPLAINT FIVE TIMES THIS, I'M NOT GOING TAKE TIME, READ THIS, BUT SINCE THE SHERIFF SAYS THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT, GOVERNOR MAKES THAT MOTION. IT MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SHERIFF. [00:20:03] UH, NOW THE SHERIFF WANTS TO, WANTS US TO DEPUTIZE ALBERT M KELSO FOR THE COLLIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. NO MOVE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. IS THAT EVERYTHING EXCEPT, UH, DISCUSSING THE WAYS AND MEANS FOR FUTURE BUILDING? I THINK THAT'S IT, JUDGE. OKAY, WELL THEN, UH, HOW DO WE HAVE ANY LINEUP TRANSFER? JACK, DID SOMEONE SIGN UP RECEIPT? NO, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. PROPOSED LINE ON THE TRANSFER TAX SUCCESS COLLECTOR'S OFFICE INCREASE OPERATING EXPENSES, 6,000 IN PRODUCTION OF OFFICE LIVES. FIRE MARSHAL INCREASED EXTRA HEALTH, 800 IN PRODUCTION OF MILEAGE MEALS AND LODGING PRECINCT. THREE, INCREASED MILEAGE MEALS AND LODGING. 300 PRODUCTION TRAINING IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, INCREASED RADIO TOWER LIGHTS, $10 LAN. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE SOME, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUES TO CERTIFY A HO COMPLIANCE GRANT REVENUES OF $2,193 AND BUDGETING EXTENSION PROGRAMS RECEIVED, UH, $1,216, UH, IN SOME OF THEIR PROGRAMS. WERE BUDGETING THAT FOR EXPENDITURES IN THEIR AREA. TRAINING FUND RECEIVED FROM THE STATE $20,614 FOR BUDGETING THAT FOR TRAINING. OKAY, JIM, Y'ALL TRANSFER REQUEST WOULD ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROW. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. I MOTION CARRIES. I YOU CHANGED THE BATTERY. WHY DON'T WE, UH, GO AHEAD AND Y'ALL START LOOKING OVER YOUR BILLS. HAVE YOU HEARD FROM GEORGE YET? I GUESS HE'S ON HIS WAY. I JUST TALK TO HIM. HE SAYS HE'S JUST HIT THE CITY, SO. OH, OKAY. SO HE'LL BE HERE IN JUST, WELL, WE MAY WANT TO WAIT A MINUTE ON THE WHY. DON'T TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL PICK UP THAT ITEM. UH, NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA. WE'RE GOING BACK UP THE AGENDA AND PICK UP, UH, WE HAVE, UH, TO POLL, UH, THE LAW FIRM STAFF POLLAN AND FROM, UH, COSTCO FROM, UH, COMING IN FROM AUSTIN TO BE WITH US THIS MORNING. AND WE HAVE, UH, GEORGE WILFORD, WHO'S WITH FIRST SOUTHWEST, WHO'S BEEN DOWN FROM DALLAS WITH US THIS MORNING. SO, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST FIVE TO SIX YEARS ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT SPACE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW. AND, UH, SO [00:25:01] I'VE REQUESTED, UM, THESE TWO GENTLEMEN TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO KIND OF SHARE US WITH US THE, THE WAYS AND MEANS. I MEAN, HOW, THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF WAYS THAT WE, THAT THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. AND, UH, NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON ANYTHING TODAY, BUT I WANT MORE, LESS A EDUCATIONAL MEETING AND TIME. IF YOU ENJOYED, IF Y'ALL WANNA COORDINATE HOW Y'ALL GONNA DO THIS. THANK YOU FOR COMING UP AND BEING WITH US. GLAD TO BE HERE. I'M GONNA SUGGEST LET, KIND OF REVIEW YOUR OPTIONS AND WE'LL GET GEORGE TO TELL YOU FROM A FINANCIAL ADVISORY STANDPOINT HOW THOSE WOULD PLAY OUT IN TERMS OF, UH, INTEREST RATES AND WHAT THE MARKET IS AND THINGS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU NEEDING A NEW JUSTICE CENTER, WHICH WILL IMPART HOUSE A LOT OF YOUR, UH, COURT FACILITIES, UM, BEING IN PROXIMITY TO THE JAIL SO THAT, UH, IT'LL MINIMIZE THE EXPOSURE TO THE PUBLIC AND THE RISK OF TRANSPORTING THOSE PRISONERS. AND ALSO HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE ALL THE NEW SAFEGUARDS AT A FACILITY LIKE THIS TO, UH, PROTECT BOTH THE JUDGES IN ANY, IN THE JURIES AND WHOEVER'S GOING INTO THAT BUILDING. THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY THINGS THAT, THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE NOW THAT SHOULD BE PUTTING IN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY. THE FIRST THING THIS COURT WOULD NEED TO DO, IT DECIDES TO GO FORWARD, IS TO GET A GOOD HANDLE ON HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. AND YOU, YOU GET ESTIMATE OR YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CONTRACT WITH AN ARCHITECT. AND AS I'VE CAUTIONED BEFORE, IF YOU DO THAT, YOU WANT TO CONTRACT WITH THE ARCHITECT TO GIVE YOU AN INITIAL PLAN THAT WILL HAVE THE BASIC COST ELEMENTS YOU CAN USE, BUT CUT OFF ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSES FOR THAT ARCHITECT UNTIL YOU'VE GOT FINANCING SECURED. SO YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE DESIGN OF A COMPLETE FACILITY IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO GO FORWARD. SO, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE FACING ON THE, UH, PLANS. THERE ARE FOUR WAYS YOU COULD FINANCE THIS BUILDING. THE WAY YOU WILL NOT WANT TO DO IS WHAT IS KNOWN AS A LEASE PURCHASE. IT WOULD BE REAL ESTATE. AND WHILE YOU WOULD BE ISSUING, UM, BONDS, THAT WOULD BE COST CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION. IT WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR M AND O FUNDS. SO YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO DO THAT. YOU WOULD JUST CRIPPLE THE COUNTY IF IT, IF IT CHOSE TO DO THAT. THERE ARE THE ONLY THREE WAYS YOU WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE. YOU COULD HOLD AND ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ELECTION, COULD HAVE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLICATION IN THE NEWSPAPER IN A 30 DAY PERIOD BETWEEN THE TIME YOU PUBLISHED AND THE TIME DEBT. THE THIRD WAY WOULD BE WHAT IS KNOWN AS A TAX NOTE. THOSE CAN BE DONE RELATIVELY FAST. THE THING YOU WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW QUICKLY YOU WOULD NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BONDS. AND COS YOU'VE GOT THE PERIOD THEY COULD BE STRUCTURED, YOU NEED PAY UP TO 40 YEARS, BUT NOBODY GOES 40. YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE LIFE OF THE FACILITY AND TRY TO DO AT LIKE 20 TO 30 YEARS WITH TAX NOTES. IT'S A VERY COMPRESSED UNDER THE LAW. THE, YOU ARE LIMITED TO A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD OF PAYOUT. SO THE FINANCING FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THE LEGISLATURE HAS ORIGINALLY, WHEN THAT STATUTE CAME IN, YOU COULD ONLY REFUND IT FOR ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS. THE LEGISLATURE CAME IN AND HAS COMMITTED, UH, CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT WANTED TO ISSUE A TAX NOTE TO REFUND [00:30:01] THAT OUT UP TO 40 YEARS. SO YOU COULD CONVERT THAT SHORT TERM INSTRUMENT INTO A LONGER TERM DEBT. SO, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE METHODS YOU HAVE TO, TO, TO BUILD, TO USE, TO FINANCE THE FACILITY. IF YOU DO A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, IT'S GOING TAKE A LONG TIME BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET ONTO A BALLOT UNTIL NOVEMBER. THE COS AS I SAID, YOU GONNA HAVE THE PUBLICATION IN AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE YOU GET SETTLED TAX NOTES. YOU JUST NEED TO BE READY TO GO AND YOU CAN DO THAT VERY, VERY FAST. SO THAT GIVES YOU THE OPTIONS OF WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANTED TO, TO GO. DEPENDS ON HOW QUICKLY YOU WANT TO MOVE IN TERMS OF CREDIT. THEY'RE ALL VIEWED AS BEING TAXED BACK. SO THAT SHOULD THE MARKETPLACE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY ADVERSE, UH, IMPACT ON THE COUNTY WAIT CHOOSES TO FINANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME CREDIT. THE ONE THING THAT HAS HAPPENED, WE'VE GOT THIS NEW, UH, FEDERAL STIMULUS ACT AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED THERE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN WHAT IS KNOWN AS BANK QUALIFIED DEBT, WHICH COUNTIES CAN ISSUE UP TO $10 MILLION. AND THEY SAID, AND YOU DO THAT 'CAUSE YOU GET A LOWER INTEREST RATE IF YOU CAN ISSUE SOMETHING BANK QUALIFIED, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THIS WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN 10 MILLION. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO TRY TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THEY'VE RAISED THAT 10 MILLION TO 30 MILLION. THAT'S DURING, DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR. SO IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THIS PROJECT COULD FIT AND YOU CAN ISSUE THESE AS, UH, BANK QUALIFIED OBLIGATIONS. AND I THINK GEORGE WILL BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN MUCH BETTER THAN I WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO YOU AS A COUNTY IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ISSUE YOUR OBLIGATIONS. AS SAID. NOW, THOSE ARE THE METHODS AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GEORGE AND LET HIM TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE, UH, YES, JUDGE. UH, ONE QUESTION. THE, UH, THESE THREE METHODS, THEY'RE, THEY'D ALL BE CONSIDERED DEBT SERVICE AND WOULD NOT COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TAX RATE. THAT IS RIGHT. THESE, THESE WOULD BE THE, UH, DEBT SIDE OF THE TRUTH AND TAXATION. IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO ROLLBACK AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE LEASE PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE IN THE L IN SUBJECT TO ROLLBACK MORNING, GEORGE. GOOD MORNING JUDGE. UH, COMMISSIONER MR. BECK. UH, TOM DID A REALLY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING THE OPTIONS, UH, UH, AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF DEBT THE COUNTY HAS TO CONSIDER, UH, ONE THING, AND, YOU KNOW, TOM AND I SOMETIMES MAYBE TAKE FOR GRANTED, UH, AND SOME OF IT CAN BE CONFUSING. THE, THE BANK QUALIFICATION IS IMPORTANT REALLY FROM A COUPLE OF STANDPOINT. UH, LIKE TOM SAID, UH, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A 10 MILLION LIMIT. AND WHAT THAT MEANT IS ONCE YOU, DURING THE COURSE OF THE CALENDAR YEAR DEEMED ANY TAX EXEMPT DEBT THAT YOU ENTERED INTO, WHETHER IT WAS AN ISSUE OR EVEN UH, A DIRECT LEASE PURCHASE TYPE ARRANGEMENT THAT WAS TAX EXEMPT. IF THAT WAS DECLARED TAX, UH, BANK QUALIFIED, UH, THAT MEANT THAT HE COULDN'T EXCEED WHATEVER THE LIMIT FOR THAT BANK QUALIFICATION WAS. AND BANK QUALIFI JUST MEANS THAT COMMERCIAL BANKS CAN BUY THAT, THAT FIT THAT DESIGNATION AND THEY GET TO DEDUCT SOME OF THEIR INTEREST EXPENSE AGAINST THE TAX EXEMPT INCOME. SO IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THEM AND A GOOD THING FOR BANKS, AND THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THAT UP IS THE LIMIT HAS BEEN RAISED, BUT LIKE TOM INDICATED, YOU JUST APPROVED SOME LEASE PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WAS DEEMED TAX EXEMPT. MOST LIKELY THE DOCUMENTS SAY IT'S NOT QUALIFY. BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEN THAT PLUS WHATEVER YOU MIGHT DO, A COURT'S BUILDING AND ANYTHING ELSE AS IT STANDS NOW WOULD HAVE TO BE 30 MILLION OR LESS IN AGGREGATE FOR THE CALENDAR HERE. SO, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT IN MIND AS YOU'RE COSTING OUT THE PROJECT THAT, WELL, WHATEVER WE'VE ALREADY DONE, UH, LEASES OR WHATEVER, UH, WE'VE ONLY GOT A TOTAL OF 30 MILLION TO GO UP TO. BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, NONE OF THAT IS SO BIG RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S A NATURE, UH, IMPAIRMENT OR WHATEVER. UH, [00:35:01] SO WHAT I DID IS, UH, RAN SOME NUMBERS VERY ROUGH BECAUSE THAT WE HAD NOT REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE JUDGE, UH, AND SO ON. AND THEN AS YOU GET WITH, FOR INSTANCE, AN ARCHITECT, UH, YOU MAY HAVE BETTER EVEN MORE REFINED COST ESTIMATES THAT WE CAN USE, BUT I JUST USE 30 MILLION TOTAL WITH REGARD TO THIS PROJECT. WE GOTTA ACKNOWLEDGE WHETHER THERE'S CAN'T GO QUITE UP TO THAT AMOUNT, BUT RELATIVELY CLOSE JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA. AND IF IT'S STRUCTURED ON A 20 YEAR PAYOUT, AND I WAS USING INTEREST RATES A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE MARKETS ARE STILL SOMEWHAT VOLATILE FROM DAY TO DAY, WEEK TO WEEK, UH, THE, UH, 20 YEAR PAYOUT FOR 30 MILLION I WAS ESTIMATING WOULD BE ABOUT 2.45 MILLION A YEAR, 2 MILLION, 450,000. UH, IF THE PROJECT WAS, UH, UH, STRETCHED OUT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT WAS A 25 YEAR PAYOUT, THEY USE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER INTEREST RATE AND IN THAT CASE IT WOULD BE 2,000,230 PER YEAR AND USING THE COUNTY'S EXISTING TAX BASE, UH, UH, IT'S ABOUT 5.568 BILLION. UH, AND AND I THINK RIGHT NOW I'D BE MOST COMFORTABLE ASSUMING WHAT THE, UH, CURRENT TAX BASE IS VERSUS ANY GROWTH. I WAS TALKING TO THE JUDGE AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO COUNTIES AND OTHER ENTITIES AND THEIR APPRAISAL DISTRICTS, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEIR APPRAISAL DISTRICTS. AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. UH, IF IT'S A COUNTY, FOR INSTANCE, THAT HAS MINERAL VALUES, WELL THERE'S GONNA BE A PRICE SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, UH, THE COMPTROLLER, WHAT THEY'VE ORDERED AS FAR AS HOW OIL, UH, PRICE WILL BE FACTORED IN. BUT EVEN WITHOUT MAJOR RENTALS, A LOT OF THE, UH, APPRAISAL DISTRICTS ARE VERY NERVOUS TO BE GIVING OUT NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SURE, UH, WHAT'S GONNA REALLY ULTIMATELY SHOW UP ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, MOST OF THEM AREN'T TELLING ENTITIES UNLESS THEY KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY THAT WOULD DROP, UH, TO JUST ASSUME EVERYTHING FLAT GOING IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO I THINK THAT'S SAFE. BUT ANYWAY, BASED ON THE CURRENT 5.568 BILLION, THE 20 YEAR PAY GAVE YOU THAT TO ME AT FOUR 50 WOULD BE ABOUT A FOUR AND A HALF CENTS IMPACT, UH, TAX RATE WISE. WHEREAS THE 25 YEAR, THE 2,000,002 30 WOULD BE ABOUT 4.10 CENTS. UH, AND AS TOM INDICATED, IF THE COURT CHOSE TO DO TAX NOTES BECAUSE, UH, THEY ARE MORE EXPEDIENT, UH, PARTICULARLY AS COMPARED TO AN ELECTION SINCE IT'S ONLY TWICE A YEAR, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO INITIALLY BE SET UP ON A SEVEN YEAR REPAYMENT TERM. OF COURSE, THE STATED DEBT SERVICE OF THAT WOULD BE HIGHER. UH, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF, IF WE JUST SET IT UP LEVEL, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE DONE, IT WOULD PROBABLY REFLECT ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE AROUND 4.99 MILLION A YEAR. AND THAT'S LITERALLY ABOUT A NINE POINT, UH, 1 CENT, UH, TAX RATE. BUT IF THE COURT WAS, UH, DISCUSSING ISSUANCE OF TAX NOTES AND SUBSEQUENTLY REFUNDING THOSE, WE'D PROBABLY STRUCTURE THE DEBT SERVICE TO BASICALLY ACCOMMODATE THAT PLAN WHERE IT WOULD BE LOWER INITIALLY AND THEN JUST BASICALLY BLEND INTO THE TERM OF, OF WHATEVER THE REFUNDING, UH, ISSUE WAS, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY TIE TO THAT FOUR, UH, 20 OR 25 YEAR PAYMENT LEVEL THAT I GAVE YOU. NOW ONE THING I THINK THE COURT NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF, IF YOU HAVEN'T, UH, KIND OF SEEN RECENTLY THE EXISTING DEBT SERVICE, UH, OF THE COUNTY DROPS BY ABOUT 400,000 A YEAR. UH, IN 2013, UH, THAT'S WHEN, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ISSUES PAYS OFF. AND THEN THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE FROM THERE ON OUT IS ABOUT 1,000,007 60 PER YEAR, BUT THAT ONLY RUNS THROUGH 2022. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONLY BY THE TIME WE ISSUE, WE'D BE TALKING 12 OR 13 YEARS OUT OF AN ULTIMATE 20 OR 25 YEAR PAYOUT FOR THIS. SO WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY VISIT WITH THE COURT ABOUT AND AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IS, UH, TO SOME EXTENT TRY TO BLEND THAT SERVICE OF NEW ISSUE INTO THOSE DROPS SO THAT EVEN THAT, UH, 2,000,004 52,000,002 30 MIGHT NOT BE THE INITIAL YEAR'S DEBT SERVICE SO THAT ANY TAX IMPACT WOULD ACTUALLY WOULD TRY TO REDUCE IT SOMEWHAT. BUT WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR TOM [00:40:01] AND I WELL, IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO GO INTO A BUILDING PROGRAM WITH A MARKET LIKE IT IS AND THE FINANCIAL SITUATION? UH, SO UNSTABLE, UH, FROM A FINANCING STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT BAD. UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE, UH, FINANCIAL CRISIS REALLY THAT, UH, CAME ABOUT, UH, IN, UH, MID SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER. EVERYTHING WAS VERY CHAOTIC AND IN FACT THE MARKET KIND OF JUST BACKED AWAY FROM ISSUES AND SO ON. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUYERS HAVE COME BACK TO TAXES AND DEBT. WE'VE SEEN INTEREST RATES, UH, DECLINE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND, UH, BUT THEY'RE STILL LESS THAN A PERCENT OR A HUNDRED BASIS POINTS. LAST TIME I LOOKED, INDEXES WERE ABOUT 80 BASIS POINTS, UH, ABOVE THE ALL TIME LOW OF TAXES AND RATES. SO IT'S NOT A BAD TIME FROM AN INTEREST RATE OR MARKET STANDPOINT, UH, TO BE FINANCING. AND IN THE COUNTY, UH, YOU EITHER, I THINK YOU WERE ONE OF THE COUNTIES THAT GOT AN UPGRADE FOR AN S AND P RATING, SO THAT HELPS. UH, AND THEN WHAT I'VE BEEN FINDING OUT, TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT PROJECTS, UH, CONTRACTORS ARE HUNGRY. AND SO FROM A A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT MAY BE A VERY GOOD TIME TO BE, UH, BRINGING A PROJECT UP. YOU NEED TO, TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I AGREE WITH GEORGE RIGHT NOW, CONTRACTORS ARE HUNGRY. THE THING IS, WE'VE GOT THAT STIMULUS BILL THAT WAS PROVED AND THERE IS A FEAR THAT ONCE THAT STIMULUS MONEY HITS THAT BOTH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE MATERIALS ARE GONNA ESCALATING. SO IF YOU'RE AHEAD OF THAT CURVE, IT'S PROBABLY WHAT GEORGE SAID. THE, WHILE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTED ALL THESE SHOVEL READY, MAKING IT GO, THE RED TAPE OF HAVING TO GET THROUGH THE PROGRAM TO GET THE STIMULUS MONEY AND SUCH, YOU KNOW, IT'S MONTHS DOWN THE LINE. SO YOU, IF YOU'RE AHEAD OF THAT CURVE, YOU, YOU PROBABLY DO HAVE THE HUNGRY CONTRACTOR AND NO ONE KNOWS THAT'S ALL BEEN RUSHED OUT AND IT'S GONNA CURE EVERYTHING. UH, AND UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD BACK IN DECEMBER SAID WE'RE GONNA GET 370, 300 80 MILLION OF FREE STIMULUS MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND SO IN THEIR NORMAL APPLICATION PROCESS FOR WHAT THEY CALL DRINKING WATER CLEAN WATER PROJECTS, THEY SAID SUBMIT ON THOSE AND SAY YOU WANT PART OF THAT. THEY GOT 4.2 BILLION OF APPLICATIONS FOR 380 MILLION. SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DISAPPOINTED FOLKS. AND THEN, UH, PART OF THE UH, UH, RECOVERY ACT DOES PROVIDE FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF FINANCINGS, UH, AND ONE OF THEM, LIKE WE WERE LOOKING AT SAY 20 OR 25 IF WE COULD REFUND OUT OF SOMETHING, MAY HAVE APPLICATIONS CALLED BUILDING AMERICA BONDS. AND BASICALLY STATE ISSUE AND TAX EXEMPT COULD ISSUE TAXABLE. AND ONE THING THAT PROVIDES FOR IS, UH, THAT THE TREASURY WOULD PAY YOU 35% OF WHATEVER THE TAXABLE INTEREST RATE WAS ON THOSE BONDS. AND SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THE ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF WE'VE GOT AN ISSUER RATED ISSUES, IT BETTER TO ISSUE TAX EXEMPT OR ISSUE TAXABLE AND RECEIVE THAT CREDIT AND SO ON. BUT THAT MIGHT HAVE APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, TO THE ULTIMATE FINANCING, ASSUMING THE TREASURY COMES UP WITH SOME GUIDANCE TO SHOW HOW IT'S GONNA WORK. YEAH, THEY PUT OUT THESE, HERE'S A FINANCING PROGRAM, HERE'S A FINANCING PROGRAM. AND THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BOND LAWYERS WROTE A HOW MANY PAGE LETTER ASKING WHAT ARE THE RULES? YOU KNOW, JUST VERY VAGUE. THE THE ONE THING I WANTED TO, UH, IF YOU USE, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO TAX NUTS AND WANTED TO REFUND IT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING GEORGE WOULD THEN HAVE TO NEGOTIATE ON HOW TO SELL IT SO THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REFUND AND NOT BE LOCKED IN FOR THE LIFE SEVEN YEARS. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. NORMALLY A TAX ISSUE SEVEN YEARS, PARTICULARLY IF IT SOLD IN THE MARKET, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE CALLABLE BEFORE MATURITY. WELL, YOUR DESIRE IS THE REFUND, UH, AT SOME POINT MUCH SOONER. AND BANK QUALIFIED IF IT WERE A SMALL PROJECT, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK, WELL, BANKS IN THE AREA MIGHT HAVE APPETITE TO BUY THIS ON A PRIVATELY PLACED BASIS AND WOULD JUST NEGOTIATE. WE NEED THEM CALLABLE AGAIN AND SAY THE FIRST PAYMENT AND THEY'RE OUT OR WHATEVER. BUT I'M NOT SURE [00:45:01] WHETHER EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE BANK QUALIFIED, UH, THE LOCAL BANKS WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DIRECTLY PURCHASE 30 MILLION. THAT'S SOME OF THE STUFF WE'LL HAVE TO BE WORKING ON AND WORKING ON. WE WANT ALL THE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT YOU CAN REFUND IT IS A CURRENT REFUNDING SO THAT ONCE YOU HAVE DONE YOUR REFUNDING, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER REFUNDING AVAILABLE IS ADVANCE REFUNDING DOWN THE LINE BECAUSE INTEREST RATES, IF YOU PUT IN PLACE THE 2025 YEAR PAYMENT, THERE MAY BE A POINT IN TIME DOWN THE ROAD WHERE RATES DROP LOWER THAN THEY ARE TODAY AND IT'D BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO COUNTY TO REFINANCE LOWER THE DEBT SERVICE AT THAT TIME. WE DON'T PRECLUDE THAT, UH, WOULDN'T HELP. WELL IF THE TAX NOTES AFFECT YOUR, UH, YOUR TAX RATE BY 9 CENTS, BASICALLY WHEN THAT, WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, THAT'S IF IN THE SEVEN YEAR THING AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT SEVEN YEARS AND YOU REFUND THAT TAX NOTE NO, THE THAT'S GOING IN, IF YOU WOULD LET IT JUST GO OUT THE FULL NINE INCLUDING SEVEN YEARS. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. IF YOU PAID THAT WHOLE THING OFF. I MEAN IF YOU JUST PAID OFF THAT THE SEVENTH YEAR IT'S GONE, BUT IT BE STRUCTURED SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A FIRST YEAR OR SO, IT'LL BE VERY ADVANTAGEOUS. SO IT SHOULDN'T HAVE HOMELESS DIFFERENCE THAN IF YOU WERE FINANCING LONG TERM TO BEGIN WITH. AND YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT BEFORE THE ADVERSE HEAVY THING HITS. WE COULD PROBABLY STRUCTURE THE FIRST YEAR OR MAYBE THE FIRST TWO YEARS DEBT SERVICE ON A TAX NOTE MUCH LOWER THAN IT WOULD BE FOR A, JUST A STRAIGHT SEVEN YEAR PAYOUT. REALLY MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT SAID 2025 YEAR PAYMENT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT THE COUNTY REFUND THIS BEFORE YOU HIT THE THAT WOULD JUMP. YES. IS THAT SIMILAR TO A BLOOM PAYMENT TO EXTENT? WELL, IF, IF WE STRUCTURE IT THAT WAY, WHEREAS I SAID THE 4.9 MILLION WAS JUST SEVEN YEAR LEVEL DEBT SERVICE, IF WE STRUCTURE THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO AT SAY 2,000,004 SOMETHING, THEN THE PAYMENT WOULD GO UP FOR THE NEXT EITHER FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER. SO IT'S, IT'S HIGHER PAYMENTS FOR, UH, A PERIOD OF TIME BUT NOT A PURE BALLOON BECAUSE THE JUDGE HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT. AND ONE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS IF WE KEPT SAY SIX YEARS PAYMENTS DOWN AT THAT LEVEL AND HAD A HUGE BULLET OR BALLOON THE SEVENTH YEAR, UH, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE PROBABLY 20 PLUS MILLION IN PRINCIPLE DUE AT THAT TIME. THERE'D BE NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU COULD EXTEND IT EITHER. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MEASURES THAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT ALL OF YOUR DEBT SERVICE THAT'S SCHEDULED IS PAYABLE FROM HALF OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RATE AND IF WE HAD THE WHOLE THING AS A BULLET OR BLUE MATURITY, IT WOULD BUST THAT LIMIT. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT STRUCTURED WITH A PAYOUT, EVEN IF WE'RE LOWERING ONE OR TWO YEARS AND THEN SHOW SCHEDULE DEBT SERVICE THEREAFTER. BUT WE'D BE PLANNING TO REFUND WELL BEFORE PAYMENT WAY THINKING IT'D BE MORE LIKE AN A RM AND WOULDN'T AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO REFINANCE SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE. AM I LOOKING THE RATE WOULD BE LOCKED IN NOT LIKE AN ARM WHERE THE RATE ITSELF JUST BUT THE PAYMENT LEVEL, YES, IT WOULD GO UP IF WE DON'T REFINANCE BEFORE THAT POINT IN TIME. YOU SAID SOME OF THE OBLIGATIONS GO DOWN IN 2013 THEN? YES, SIR. WOULD THAT BE A, AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO, I'M THINKING TAX NOTE, UH, WOULD THAT BE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO TRY AND RE RENEGOTIATE THIS OR ALATE THIS UH, TAX NOTE? WELL, WHAT I RECOMMEND IS DOING IT BEFORE THEN BEFORE, BUT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS TAKE THAT 400,000 DECLINE INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN THE FACT THAT ALL OF YOUR EXISTING DEBT, THE JAIL ISSUE RUNS OUT IN 2222 AND THE WAY WE STRUCTURED THIS 30 MILLION OR WHATEVER SIZE ISSUE, UH, WE MIGHT HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT DEFERRED WHERE THE INITIAL TAX IMPACT WASN'T QUITE AS HIGH AS WHAT I TOLD YOU. OKAY. AND THEN IN 2022 WHEN THE JAIL WAS PAID FOR, WE COULD HAVE MORE OF THE DEBT SERVICE IN THOSE LATER YEARS YEAH. THAN, THAN HER. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID WE CAN SHOW THE COURT SOME DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, JUST LEVEL PAYMENT OF THE COURTS, A SLIGHT WRAP OR MORE OF THE PRINCIPLE AFTER THE JAIL WHERE YOU ON DETERMINE, WELL THIS IS WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOOD AS FAR AS TAX IMPACT. TOM BROUGHT UP SOMETHING, UH, [00:50:01] ON THE, THE COST OF TRANSPORTATION OF THE PRISONERS, UH, SHERIFF. YES. UH, I THINK BACK, UH, LAST YEAR AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT IT WAS FIGURED THAT IT WAS COSTING US AROUND 800,000 A YEAR TO CURRENTLY TO TRANSPORT THE PRISONER BACK AND FORTH. YES SIR. WHEN WE, WE CHECK EVERYTHING IN , RIGHT? AND AS WE CONTINUE GOING, AS THE JAIL CONTINUES TO GET MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE, THEN THAT FIGURE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS IS PROBABLY GONNA INCREASE AS WELL. SO IT'D BE KIND OF NICE IF WE COULD DIVERT THAT 800 TO A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TOWARD PAYING THIS OFF. MM-HMM. IT'S DIFFICULT TO PUT A DOLLAR CENTS ON SECURITY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, ONE ACCIDENT OR ONE THAT'S, THAT'S HARD TO CALCULATE THAT. YES. THAT SERVICE, UH, NOW IS THE TIME TO DID YOU QUESTIONS ANSWERED GUYS. BUT THESE THREE OPTIONS, THEY MAKE IT ALL WORK OUT FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF CENTS ON TODAY'S EVALUATIONS. YES SIR. I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF WHICH METHOD, IF, IF IT'S A 20 OR 25-YEAR-OLD MONTH PAYOUT, UNLESS WE DO DO IT, LIKE I SAID, A LITTLE BIT OF RAFFLE, WE IN FACT ARE ABLE TO PULL THAT DOWN. UH, THEY'RE ALL SUPPORTED BY YOUR TAX PLEDGE AND SO ON. SO, UH, AS LONG AS, LIKE I SAID ON THE TAX NOTES, YOU REFUNDED THEM AND TOOK THEM OUT LONGER LIKE YOU WOULD'VE DONE THE BONDS OR CERTIFICATES. IT'S THE SAME BASICALLY AS ONE 2,000,004 A YEAR PRETTY MUCH. YES. 20 OR 25. WELL, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE GOT, UH, THE FACTS AND THE FIGURES BEFORE YOU, YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE. WELL, WE'LL ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE AND UH, JUST ONE QUICK, DO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, IF WE GET OUR ACT TOGETHER RIGHT NOW, TAX NOTES ARE PROBABLY BE THE QUICKEST WAY TO GO, IS THAT THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NEXT STEP THEN WOULD BE TO, UH, BRING AN ARCHITECT ON BOARD TO, UH, TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT, WHAT WE THINK WE NEED AND LET THEM FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO NEED. RIGHT. WHERE, WHERE'S THAT, WHERE DOES THAT CHECK TOP AT? I MEAN, YOU SAID WE, WE DON'T WANT TO DESIGN THE WHOLE ENTIRE BUILDING, BUT AT WHAT POINT THERE, THERE ARE TWO, TWO WAYS TO DO IT. YOU CAN DO A LIMITED ENGAGEMENT. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS YOU FIND THE ARCHITECT THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO USE, GO OUT THE PROPOSALS UNLESS YOU'VE GOT ONE THAT YOU KNOW IS BEST QUALIFIED, THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, ENTER INTO A FORMAL AGREEMENT WITH THE ARCHITECT. UH, OUR FIRM ADVOCATES NOT USING THE A I A DOCUMENT, BUT USING ONE THAT IS STRUCTURED, THAT'S COUNTY FRIENDLY SO THAT YOU'RE ON THE SAME, UH, PLAYING FIELD WITH THE ARCHITECT. THAT'S NOT ALL S SLANTED TO THE ARCHITECT'S ADVANTAGE, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE AS TO WHAT HIS PAYMENTS ARE AND FOR THE, AND SO YOU WOULD STOP IT AT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN IN SIZING OF THE FAC FACILITY SIZE. SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE, THAT INFORMATION YOU PUT THE ACTUAL DETAILED DRAWINGS AND STUFF WOULD NOT OCCUR UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE HAD YOUR, YOU'VE OBTAINED YOUR FINANCING AND THEN PLACING A DOLLAR MAXIMUM SAYING THAT YOU ARE ONLY GONNA DO THIS, THIS 'CAUSE THEY LIST IT IN STEPS. YOU ONLY DO THIS FIRST STEP AND THE COUNTY WILL NOT PAY MORE THAN X DOLLARS. AND SO IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO DO IT, THAT'S ALL YOUR EXPOSURE. IF, IF WE WERE TO, UH, HAVE TO DO THE CONTRACT WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THEN LATER ON, THEN WE, AS TIME GOES ALONG, WE DO THE, [00:55:01] THE TAX NOTICE AND THEN YES, GET ON BOARD. ONCE WE GET THE MONEY FROM THE ISSUANCE OF THE TAX NOTES, CAN WE BE REIMBURSED? YES. THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE REIMBURSED FROM THE TAX NOTES BY THE ARCHITECT. THE ARCHITECT IS, IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FORMULATE, PASS A REIMBURSEMENT AND RESOLUTION FOR PRELIMINARY SERVICES SUCH AS ARCHITECT ENGINEERING SERVICES, OTHER PLANNING PROFESSIONAL THINGS, TURNING DIRT. THAT IS WHEN YOU NEED TO REIMBURSE THE RESOLUTION. BUT IN PLANNING AND STUFF, YOU CAN REIMBURSE YOURSELF. AND WHAT WE WOULD DO ON THAT WHEN WE ISSUED, WE WOULD HAVE IN THE FEDERAL TAX CERTIFICATE CERTIFYING THAT IT'S YOUR REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT KEEPING THE DEBT TAX EXEMPT. WE WOULD HAVE WHAT YOU'RE REIMBURSING YOURSELF FOR THOSE ARCHITECT CHARGES. UH, FOR YOU GUYS THAT WERE NOT HERE, UH, WHEN WE DID THE CURRENT LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, UH, WE HAD TOM AND THEM LOOK OVER THE CONTRACT WITH THE ARCHITECT, UH, AND MAKE SOME CHANGES AND WHATEVER. THE ARCHITECT DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT THAT'S FINE WITH WE. YEAH. AND UH, SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE DOING THAT AGAIN. SO, SO WE'D BE SOME IMMEDIATE EXPENSES OF IF IT'S 30 MILLION PROJECT, THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, SAY 10%, WHATEVER. AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A PROCEDURES TO THAT. THIS COULD BE JUST FOR THE DESIGN COST ANALYSIS, WE WOULD FRONT THAT UP, UP FRONT. IT'S ONLY THE, IT'S ONLY THAT PIECE OF THAT PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND THAT SHOULD BE MANAGEABLE AND SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. THEN YOU'D BE REIMBURSING AS SOON AS YOU ISSUE THE, UH, TAX IF AN ARCHITECT WORKED WITH YOU. PART OF THAT COULD BE DEFERRED POSSIBLY. THERE'S A NEW, USED TO BE THE ARCHITECTS WOULD COME IN AND SAY, OH, WE'LL JUST DO THIS FOR NOTHING. BUT THERE'S A NEW REGULATION FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL BOARD PROHIBITING THAT, SO WE CAN'T, CAN'T RELY ON THAT ANYMORE. UH, THE ONLY ALL YOU REALLY WANT IS JUST CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT HE CAN HANG HIS HAT ON IT. AND THEN WHAT YOU WANT IS A GOOD COST ESTIMATE FROM THEM WITH CONTINGENCY BUILT IN AND SO ON. UH, BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS SAY, WELL WE WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, BID BEFORE WE COMMENCE. WELL, PRACTICALLY THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT. AND SO MOST EVERYONE HAS TO GET A GOOD COST ESTIMATE FINANCE THEN. AND IN THIS CASE IT RELEASE HIM TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE FULL DETAILED DESIGN BECAUSE YOU GOT FINANCE ARRANGEMENTS, THEN BIDS OR WHATEVER ARRANGEMENTS FOR UH, ENGAGE WITH THE CONTRACTOR. CONSTRUCTION MANAGER COULD, UH, BE DONE. BUT I'M LIKE TOM, THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND COST THAT REALLY I WOULDN'T THINK WOULD BE A MAJOR EXPENSE. JOHN, YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? UH, I DO NOT. WELL, THEY'RE HERE. NO, JACK? NO SIR. EXCUSE ME. SHERIFF? NO, JEFF, GEORGE. BRUCE, MICHAEL. OKAY, ANDREW, ONCE AGAIN GUYS, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. UM, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A BRIEF RECESS AND COME BACK AND PAY THE BILLS. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE LEFT THE BILLS AND THANK THESE GUYS FOR COMING UP. WELL Y'ALL LOOKING AT YOUR BILLS, UH, NEXT WEEK IS CALLED THE COUNTY DAY IN AUSTIN AND UH, WE WON'T MEET, UH, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY IS THE, UH, 30TH AND UH, IF THERE'S A BUSINESS TO TRANSACT AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LET Y'ALL MEET. I'M GONNA BE AT THE, THE, UH, TOBACCO TRUST BOARD MEETING ON THE, ON THE 30TH TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SHELL OUT THIS YEAR, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING [01:00:01] BECAUSE OUR 3.2 BILLION ENDED UP BEING A LITTLE OVER 2 BILLION BY THE TIME ALL WAS SAID AND DONE. BUT, UH, THERE IS BEEN ONE PROPOSAL THOUGH THAT WE DON'T CUT COUNTIES ANY, GIVE THEM EVERYTHING WE HAD GAVE LAST YEAR EXCEPT LET THEM KNOW NEXT YEAR WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET A SEVERE CUT. SO WE GET WHAT, 35,000? 45,000 LAST YEAR. OKAY. OUR REIMBURSEMENT'S BASED UPON WHAT MONIES WE SPEND ON INDIGENT HEALTH AND THE JAIL. SO I'LL TELL ANGIE IF WE'VE GOT BUSINESS, TAKE CARE OF BRING Y'ALL IN. COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSIONER ROUND CAN SENIOR MY TURN YOUR TURN. DON'T FORGET TO VOTE . SO I'M SAYING THAT TO GET AROUND TO THIS, THAT PROBABLY IN THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY, THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, I'LL HAVE ON THE AGENDA. SO Y'ALL BE THINKING ABOUT IT TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER EMPLOYMENT AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM TO BEGIN THE PROCESS. DO WE, UH, DO WE HAVE ONE IN MIND? UH, THINK CHARLIE TERMS IS WHO I WOULD LIKE TO WHO I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND HIS FIRM. THAT ONE DID THE COUNTY. YEAH, THIS IS THE SUB COURT. THREE OFFICERS. NOT I THAT'S WHERE COMMISSIONER, WHAT? 10 YEARS AGO? SO WHO YOU I DIDN'T, [01:05:49] I HAVE 30,000 TOO MUCH OUT ON THE, I GOT A BUNCH STICK. I THERE WAS ONE IN THERE THAT HAD NO, NO TICKETS ATTACHED AND DIDN'T HAVE NO TICKETS. NOT, NOT PUT ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL. JUDGE, YOU KNOW, I HOW WHY IS THIS FOR A LARGE AMOUNT IN THERE FOR THE SINGLE APPRAISAL? IT'S A QUARTER LEASE BUDGET. HOW DID YOU NOTICE THAT THAT BILL, THAT NOTE THEY PUT ON THERE LATE PAYMENTS, 10 DAYS LATE, THEY START CHARGING THE LATE CHARGE. I WANTED TO BE LIKE 20 DAYS LATER. YEAH. I CHARGE NOBODY CHARGE THE COUNTY. YEAH. 30 DAYS I STARTED NOT, NOT JUST THAT LIKE I DID LAST TIME. WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT? TALK TO BOARD. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S HIS TRACTOR. [01:10:14] WE STILL GOT SOMEBODY LOOKING INTO AA. NO RESPONSE YET, MR. NO. OKAY. I GUESS THESE, THESE TWO ARE MINE. WHAT MANY TREES WE KILL WITH THESE RACIAL PROFILE, YOU KNOW, TAPE. IS JERRY STILL ON TAPE? OH, DID YOU EVER FIND OUT WHO WHO VINCENT'S CONTINUES TO BE? IS HER NAME'S SHERRY? SHE'S UH, CRANDALL. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. I THINK I'M, SHE'S, I THINK SHE GREW UP IN RICHARDSON, BUT I DID YOU UH, DID YOU UH, TELL CHUCK ABOUT? YEAH. OKAY. HE FOUND, HE CALLED ME AND ASKED ME ONE WANTED HE TO BE THERE FOR, HE WASN'T ANYMORE. HE SAID THAT'S GOOD. HE SAID, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE A SPOT FOR YOU. HE SAID, I GOT ONE THINGS TO DO. HE SAID WITH ME, I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER IN ELL AND HE'S HAPPY WITH THAT ANNEXATION THAT SIEGEL WAS DOING. THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. WHY WOULD IT BE GOOD? FIGURE OUT I OKAY. SOONER. OKAY. EMERGENCY. WHAT DO YOU DO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THESE EMERGENCY ON TO YEAH, YOU GOT A BIG THAT'S A ME. YOU DON'T WANT DO IT. I I SEE IT [01:15:01] SERIOUS. I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH IT IS. I'M NOT SURE. LETTER FROM SEND HIM A LETTER. UH, QUESTION SUPPORTING COFFMAN BEING DESIGNATED AS A CERTIFIED RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. KNOW THE OLD SAYING ABOUT UH, UH, WE WEALTHIER AND HEALTHIER AND WISER. HE'S GOT RETIREES OR RETIRING HEALTHIER WELFARE AND BETTER EDUCATED JUDGE. HE ASKED ME TO DO, UH, IS IT NO LEGALLY OR ETHICALLY IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO, TO UH, SUPPORT THAT ON MY OWN, MY COUNTY LETTER AND MY MR LETTER? YEAH. THAT CAME TO LAST STUFF AND TALKED TO US ABOUT IT TWO OR THREE TIMES. DID YOU NOTICE AT THAT CONFERENCE, UH, LAST WEEK, HOW MANY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS THERE WITH US? YEAH, THEY MOST KIND JUST TAKE THEM CAN TAKE FIRST. SECRETARY. SECRETARY. SO THAT, THAT'S MY SECRETARY REAL QUICK. I GOT ONE FOR FREE. THREE 50 YEARS GRADUALLY REPLACING EVERYTHING THAT CAN, NO, WE DIDN'T LAST LONG IN THE TOURNAMENT. NO, WE DID. YEAH. NO, THEY PLAYED GOOD. I DIDN'T EXPECT LAST THAT LONG. YEAH, IN MISSOURI, YOU KNOW IT WAS 31, 31 HALF I, THIS BALL GAME DIDN'T TAKE LONG. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUTTA HERE. YEAH, THAT FULL COURT PRESS THINK IT KIND OF CAUGHT BY SURPRISE BEFORE THEY REALIZED. HEADING 15 POINTS DOWN, YOU READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT QUARTER UP JUNIOR, A STRANGLE ARMED ON UH, HAR. WHO IS, WHERE'S HE FROM? A ABILENE. DARLENE CLOSE TO 25. DARLENE BE NUMBER TWO QUARTERBACK THE STATE. BUT HE HAD WAS A SOPHOMORE, A FRESHMAN [01:20:44] FUEL TANK ON THE WAY IT RUNS OUTTA GAS. HE SAID BUT GAUGE WASN'T WORKING, JUST WANTED A NEW BACK TRUCK, RIGHT? YEAH. OH YEAH. BUT NOW THE GAUGE IS WORKING. GAUGE WASN'T WORKING WHEN HE DISCOVERED HE WAS ALMOST OUTTA GAS HIMSELF. PERSONAL. THEY 50 SOUTH. HE GOT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. HE WAS, HE'S WAITING FOR WAITING FOR THE STIMULUS. SURE. STILL WORTH MORE DOWN THERE. THERE'S TOO, MY NAME WASN'T ON ANY OF THOSE OUT. COULD BEEN ADDICTED TO CHICKEN FRIED. UNFORTUNATELY JUDGE, I WISH, I WISH WE COULD FIND SOMEBODY ELSE AT LEAST A BIT ON THE LANDSCAPED STUFF. YEAH, THAT GUY, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THEY'RE JUST GETTING A LITTLE MORE RELAXED LITTLE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY FERTILIZER PLACES IN THE, ON ON THE LAWN. THERE'S NOT TO TELL JACK THAT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE BID AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR. I TELL JERRY ONE TIME ONE ROBERTS TOLD ME THAT YOU'LL NEVER HAVE A YARD OVER THERE UNTIL YOU START FERTILIZING. HE SAID YOU CAN GET THAT GRASS FOUR A YEAR. NOT THAT MUCH GRASS. NOT ANYMORE. SOMEBODY CAME ALONG, REPLACED ALL THAT GRASS WITH THOSE WEEDS OVER THERE, THERE, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH GREEN AREA OVER THERE. IF YOU NEED TO FERTILIZE THE WEEDS, IT SHOULDN'T CAUSE THAT MUCH. I THINK WE ALREADY SEEN THIS ONE. DON'T DO IT AGAIN. WE'RE DOING THIS ONE AGAIN. ANOTHER SHOT DON'T NEED. WE GET WATER DIES. IT'S PLANT WATER LIFT. IT'S A WEEK. HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE GUY THAT, UH, ALL KIDS PREGNANT AT SCHOOL AND WAS PREGNANT ABOUT THEIR DADDY'S AND UH, ONE GUY, THIS KID SAID, UH, WELL MY DADDY'S SO FAST I CAN SHOOT AT HER AT THE TARGET. MY DADDY CAN RUN THERE AND CATCH IT AND BE AN HER [01:25:01] BEFORE HE GETS IT AT ANOTHER GUY. SAYS, WELL MY DADDY SO FAST, BUT I CAN SHOOT A BULLET AT THE TARGET AND MY DADDY CAN RUN THERE AND CATCH IT AND HIS TEETH BEFORE HE GETS IT. THIRD GETS THAT. THAT'S NOTHING. MY DADDY'S A COUNTY JUDGE. HE'S SO FAST. HE GETS OFF WORK AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND HE'S HOME AT FOUR. . YEAH. HEARD SAME THING. HEARD THE SAME THING EXCEPT IT WAS COUNTY COMMISSION. YOU KNOW WHO TOLD US THAT? GENE. GENE. SEE? YEAH. HE TOLD THAT SAME JOKE AT PROBATE. JUDGES. GOOD PROBATE JUDGE. GOOD . I HAVE THEM. I DONE AS AUDITOR NOW. GOT PLENTY. YOUR AUDIENCE, DID Y'ALL SEE OR HERE WHERE DEAN'S GOING BACK UP THE SECOND? WELL NO, HE ALWAYS WAS SECOND IN COMMAND ATTACK. HE SAID THAT GUY WAS EVAN GONZALEZ, THE COUNTY JUDGE IN UH, SOUTH TEXAS COUNTY. MATTER FACT, HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE STATE ASSOCIATION IS COMING IN. PRESIDENT SWORN IN DID YEAH. STARTED TO SAY HE RESIGNED AND SO THEY IN, HE PRETTY FUNNY. THEY, YOU GUYS GOTTA FOLLOW. EVERYBODY'S GOT, HE SAID, Y'ALL GOT A GRAVEL PIT THAT Y'ALL CAN MEET WITHOUT POST AGENDA. EVERY KIND MEETING GOING SHUT THAT DOOR. . THAT'S WHEN CLOSE THAT DOOR. WE'RE PRESSING HERE. DO WE JACK, HAVE WE GOT A CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY FOR, UH, UH, CLEANUP TOWELS THAT'S GOT SOME HAND OR SOMETHING IN IT? WE, WE HAVE GOT A GENTLE CONTRACT. IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT COVER THAT? YES SIR. THERE'S ONE IN THERE. SO I TOLD SUE THAT. I SAID I I TOLD THE GUYS HE COULDN'T BUY THAT AND I SAID, SUE, SHE SAID, WELL SHE HAD UH, TALK TO YOU. HE WAS A GOOD RULE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. QUESTION ABOUT IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. NOW YOU PAY THE BILL. SIR. UH, NO MEETING LAST NEXT MONDAY. MOTION ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN BY COMMISSIONER SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIED RIGHT? YES. DO THEY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.