* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YOU JUST NEED [00:00:01] TO SIGN FROM LAST WEEK. ALRIGHT. ALL FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. FIRST THING I'M AGENDA THIS MORNING IS, UH, DISCUSSED IN INSTEAD OF SALE OF STAR ACRES NUMBER TWO BY WAYMAN SLOAN, UH, COMMISSIONER ROBIN, IS THAT IN YOUR PRECINCT? YES, IT IS. JUDGE, I'LL PUT THAT ON THERE. UH, MR. SLOAN, COULD YOU COME UP AND, UH, AND, UM, COULD YOU PASS THOSE OUT TO EVERYBODY? THIS IS SOME PROPERTY THAT MR. SLOAN OWNED THAT HE WAS, UH, THEY HAD IT PLANTED AND WAS GOING TO DEVELOP IT, AND NOW HE'S DECIDED JUST TO SELL IT. BUT IT'S NOT ALL TO ONE INDIVIDUAL, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SEVEN TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. CORRECT. SOME OF THE LOTS ARE LESS THAN 10 ACRES. UH, ONE, ONE LOT IS LESS THAN 10 ACRES. UH, JUDGE, I'VE NEVER HAD ONE BEFORE WHERE WE'RE JUST BRINGING IT IN JUST TO SELL IT. SO HE'S GONNA BRING THIS IN AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT'S NECESSARY, UH, TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE RIGMAROLE OF A, OF A, UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DOES HE HAVE TO GET SIGNED OFF BY THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THE WATER SUPPLY AND ALL OF THAT? OR JUST WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO JUST FOR HIM TO SELL, UH, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? THESE PIECES OF PROPERTY? CORRECT. BUT TO DIFFERENT BUYERS. YES. IT HAS BEEN PLANTED, APPROVED BY CO IT'S BEEN, I KNOW, FOR SEVERAL YEARS. OKAY. I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU GOT HERE A FINAL PLAT, STAR ACRES NUMBER TWO DATED JANUARY 16TH, 2009. SO IS THIS A NEW PLAT THAT YOU'RE WANTING COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER? YES. IS THAT WHAT, OKAY. IS THIS A THEN IT, AN OPEN LA UH, OTHER THAN THEY HAD THE, THE ROADS THAT BEEN PUT IN AND I TALKED TO, UH, COMMISSIONER ROWDEN AND TO GARY, THE SURVEY OFFICE, WHEN I TRIED TO SET IT AS A HOLD AND I NEVER PUT IN A BUYER FOR IT. SO WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN. WE CAN BRING IT UP IN ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND, AND THE SALE QUICKER AND EASIER BECAUSE NOT 120 ACRES, IT'S JUST A COUPLE, THREE 20 AND 50 I THINK. OKAY. BUT THERE'S NEVER, THIS PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN OFFERED TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AS A PLAT AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT APPROVED IT AS A SUBDIVISION PLAT THEN I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW, JUDGE. THEY, I HAD SOME PARTNERS BACK IN THOSE DAYS THAT WERE HANDLING EVERYTHING AND I THOUGHT I'D GOTTEN RID OF IT AND THEY FIDDLED AROUND WITH IT. THEY LOST THEIR GRANDFATHER ON IT AND THEY, AND THEN THEY COULDN'T, THEY, I GOT BACK INVOLVED AND THEN ANOTHER GUY AND I BOUGHT THE WHOLE THING OUT FROM ANOTHER PARTNER AND LATER ON I, WE HAD A BUY AND SELL THING AND I PUT A, A BUY AND SELL ON THE THING AND, UH, THOUGHT HE'D BUY IT, BUT HE DIDN'T BUY. SO I OWNED THE WHOLE THING. , IT SOUNDS LIKE IT NEVER HAD BEEN PLANTED BEFORE. WELL, BUT HERE IT SAYS BEING A RELA OF PART OF STAR ACRES. SO EVIDENTLY THERE HAS BEEN, THERE WAS REPLANTING ROADS WERE PUT INTO HERE. OKAY. THERE ARE NO ROADS IN THIS ONE. ROADS WERE TAKEN THAT LORD GOT THAT TEXAS LAND RECORDS HAS STAR ACRES. A PLAT WAS DONE THREE 18 OF 9 7 9 7 9 7. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU ON THE INDEX, WE HAVE A PLAT FOR STAR ACRES. I, I THINK WE GOTTA START ALL OVER ON IT. IT'S A RE RE YEAH. YEAH. BUT IS THERE, [00:05:01] YOU SAID THERE'S LOST OR LESS THAN TWO ACRES? THERE'S ONE, BUT THERE'S NO ROWS OR NO INTERIOR ROWS OR ANYTHING. I THINK THAT ONE BRINGS IT IN. IF HE WAS TO MAKE THAT LOT BETTER THAN 10 ACRES, THEN HE WOULDN'T IF SOME WAY, OR IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT LOT WHERE IT WAS 10 ACRES OR MORE ALREADY. I THINK IF YOU DO THAT, I DON'T THINK THEY'LL EVEN TO COME BACK. THERE ARE NO INTERIOR ROADS. ALL THE LOTS WOULD BE 10 ACRES OR MORE. RIGHT. AND UH, AND THE LOTS HAVE BEEN SOLD. NONE OF THE LOTS HAVE BEEN SOLD YET. NO. IF LOTS HAVE BEEN SOLD, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO READ FLAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND? JUDGE, IF HE CHANGES THAT ONE, THAT'S 5.6 OR WHATEVER TO 10 OR MORE. YEAH. THEN HE WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND BUY. RIGHT. THE LAW SAYS IF ALL AC IF ALL THE LOTS ARE OVER 10 ACRES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILE THE FLAT. THE PROBLEM YOU GOT IS THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A FLAT FILE THAT APPROVED EVIDENTLY IN 1997. SO WE NEED TO NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT 1997 AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS THAT THAT WAS APPROVED PROCEDURES FOR BANNING THE PLANT FILE. I CAN GET IT. OKAY. NO IATION ON SUBDIVISION WHATEVER, ON PLATE, WHATEVER SOMETHING AND, AND ABSTRACT ASSUME THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT STILL I'M FREE TO SELL. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NOT WHAT I SAID. NO. WHAT WAS SAID WAS, IF THE LAW SAYS THAT IF, IF YOU PLANT A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND ALL, OR YOU GOING TO DIVIDE A PIECE OF PROPERTY UP TO SALE AND ALL LOTS OR TRACKS IN THAT OVERALL TRACK ARE LESS THAN, I MEAN, ARE MORE THAN 10 ACRES, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE FILE A PLAT. OKAY. SO IT, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A PLAT FILED HERE AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR US TO AGREE TO A RE PLAT. SO I HOLD BY THE SURVEYOR THAT YOU NEED TO, UH, REPLANT IT, ROADS OUTTA IT, AND THEN YOU GOTTA OPEN LAND, THEN YOU CAN BREAK IT UP AND SELL THEM WAY YOU WANT. WELL, NO, NOT IF THERE, IF THERE'S ONE LOT UNDER 10 ACRES, YOU HAVE TO FILE A PLA WELL, WE CAN, IF THERE'S NOT A LOT UNDER 10 ACRES, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FILE A PLAQUE. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO NEXT TO GET THIS THING ROLLING IN THAT, DOES HE HAVE TO HAVE A, I SUGGEST GOING BACK AND SEE WHAT WAS RECORDED IN 1997 AND EITHER BRING IT INTO YOU OR BRING IT, TAKE IT TO HIS LAWYER OR TAKE IT TO THE ABSTRACT COMPANY OR, AND SIT DOWN WITH OR TO GARY, OR I MEAN TO GREG, UH, TO A SURVEYOR AND SAT DOWN WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I GUESS I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS FILED IN ITEM SEVEN. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE IT REPLAY TO SHOW THAT THAT FIVE ONE IS GET THAT. I JUST DON'T SELL THAT 10 ACRES. YEAH. I'LL, I'LL, UH, SEE IF LAUREN CAN FIND THAT ONE FROM NINE SEVEN AND WE'LL GET THAT. SO, UH, I DID ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE THAT FOR NOW. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. JUDGE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. UH, NEXT ONE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPOINTING ROBERT M FINGER, SUE MORROW, UH, JUDGE LEWIS, JOE CHALIS AND DAVID WILLIAMS AS COMMISSIONERS TO THE CAMAN COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE CERTIFICATE NUMBER FOUR. MOTION. KIM KIM ROBERT N. FINGER AND SUE MORROW FOR TWO YEARS. JUDGE LEWIS, GEORGE CHALIS AND DAVID WILLIAMS FOR THREE. UM, I MAKE THAT MOTION. UH, I KNOW IT'S SUE MORRO FROM THAT AREA. WHO SPELLS HER NAME? M-O-R-R-O. THANK. IS THIS THE CORRECT SPELLING? THAT'S THE WAY GIVEN TO ME AND I THINK SHE'S SIGNED IT AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS, IT SAYS MOR RW. ALRIGHT, [00:10:01] LAURA, IN YOUR ORDER, WOULD YOU CHANGE THE SPELLING OF TOMORROW TO MO RW? SAY AGAIN? I I NEEDED TO KNOW WHO SECOND IS IT MA, ON THE PRINTED, PRINTED IN YOUR PACKAGE AND SHE PRINTED HER NAME AS MO RW. UH, IF IT'S A SMORE, I KNOW SHE'S A SCHOOL TEACHER AND SHE WOULD MAKE SURE IT WAS SPELLED RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER DELLER MAKES THAT MOTION SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. MOTION. CARRIE, THEY'VE ALSO FILED THEIR, UH, FINANCIAL REPORT, UH, FOR LAST YEAR. JIM, I MAKE A MOTION. WE RECEIPT OF THE, UH, FINANCIAL REPORT OF DISTRICT BEFORE AND SECONDED BY SECOND. COMMISSIONER ROWDEN. I HAVE FOLLOW IN FAIR SAY I MOTION CARE. WE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF US HAS, I'VE NEVER SEEN THE BOND THAT'S REQUIRED. UH, HAVE YOU AGREE? HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THE BONDS THAT THE TREASURER? YES. UH, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THEY BRING IT THROUGH US. PROBLEM WITH THE JUDGE. YEAH. DID YOU SET THE BOND, MATT? I THINK BOND SET. IT'S WEIRD. UH, I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SET AMOUNT BY STATUTE AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE ONES IN MY, SO FAR I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY BONDS. I HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD OF ANY BONDS. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THE, THE REGIONAL FIRE DISTRICTS WERE NOT REQUIRED TO FILE AND SINCE THEY SWITCHED OVER TO EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT, I DON'T THINK ALL OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT HAVE NO. SO IT'S PROBABLY BEEN DONE, BUT THEY'LL BE NOTIFIED TO GET IT IN. IF I WAS GONNA SET A BOND FOR PROTECTION, UH, THE ONLY LOGICAL THING IS TO SET A BOND AT, UH, HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GOING BE HANDLING COMING FROM, UH, THEIR TAXES, WHICH IN THIS CASE 60, PRETTY CLOSE TO 60,000. BUT I'LL GET JOHN TO HELP ME RESEARCH THAT AND SEE IF THAT GETS DONE. OKAY. DO WE TAKE A VOTE ON ACCEPTING THAT FINANCIAL REPORT? ALL IN PER I A AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, I WANT DISCUSS AND PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL AS A SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH AND TALK COUNTY. FROM THAT, THE REQUEST WAS MADE BY HEALING HEARTS MINISTRY. IS ANYONE HERE FROM HEALING HEARTS THIS MORNING? YES. HOLD UP MA'AM. EXCUSE ME. HOW ARE Y'ALL THIS MORNING? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY AND I HAVE GIVEN THE PROCLAMATION, UM, SO Y'ALL CAN HAVE IT GOING AROUND. JUST SO YOU KNOW, ONE IN EVERY THREE WOMEN WILL BE A VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THEIR LIFE. AND, UM, I BROUGHT A COUPLE STATISTICS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS KAUFMAN COUNTY IS CONCERNED, FROM SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR UNTIL, UM, MARCH 31ST, WE HAD SIX SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS. FOUR OF THEM WERE CHILDREN. SO 85% OF ALL OF THE SEXUAL ASSAULT PERPETRATORS ARE KNOWN TO THE VICTIM. LET ME THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. AND THOSE STATISTICS ARE BASED UPON THE FACTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE? THAT IS CORRECT. THOSE ARE THE VICTIMS THAT HAVE COME TO SEEK SERVICES THROUGH OUR ORGANIZATION. OKAY. WELL WE APPRECIATE THE WORK Y'ALL DO. THANK YOU. UH, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, NO MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROWING. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, NEXT ROUND. UH, CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTIONABLE SELECTION OF AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN A NEW COLTON COUNTY JUSTICE CENTER AND AUTHORIZATION OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS, UM, I'D LIKE TO Y'ALL LOOK AT THIS. THESE [00:15:01] ARE PLANS, UH, AT COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN 2002. UH, IF Y'ALL PASS THESE AROUND, UH, APPROVED THE, UH, CAMPUS LAYOUT WHEN THE, UH, JAIL WAS DONE. UH, COMMISSIONER COURT WANTED A, UH, KE PLAN, SO TO SPEAK. SO THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WAS DRAWN UP IN 2002. UH, THERE'S ONE BEHIND IT TOO, ACTUALLY. I THINK THIS ONE WAS ABOUT 2003 OR 2004. THE ONE BEHIND IT WAS 2002, WHICH IS ALMOST IDENTICAL. UH, SO THERE'S BEEN A PLAN IN PLACE TO BUILD A COURT, A COURT BUILDING OR JUSTICE CENTER THAT'S CALLED HERE, UH, OUT BY THE NEW JAIL. AS Y'ALL KNOW, THE SHERIFF HAS BEEN, UH, QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, SECURITY ISSUES, UH, MENTIONED THE SECURITY ISSUES A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. ANYWAY, I'VE BEEN, UH, ASKED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE, INCLUDING ALL FOUR OF THE JUDGES, UH, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET SOMETHING DONE? SO RATHER THAN, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, KEEP PUTTING THEM OFF, KEEP PUTTING THEM OFF, I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT OFF HIGH CENTER AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORTH WITH IT NOW WE'RE GOING TO, LET'S GO. IF WE'RE NOT, THEN LET ME TELL THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT TIME'S NOT READY OR OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT READY. BUT BE THAT AS MAYOR. WOULDN'T Y'ALL LOOK AT THAT BEFORE WE, UH, GO OVER THIS JUDGE, DO YOU, UH, IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THIS LAYOUT? I CAN'T PICTURE ANY OR VERY MANY ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED THAT THE NEW JUSTICE CENTER WOULD BE BUILT NEXT TO THE JAIL TO, UH, HAVE A CONNECTING CORRIDOR SO THEY CAN MOVE PRISONERS FROM THE JAIL TO THE, UH, JUSTICE CENTER WITHOUT BEING EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC. WHAT DO YOU ESTIMATE THAT IT WOULD COST JUST FOR, UH, AN ARCHITECT TO, TO, UH, GIVE US THIS, THE PRELIMINARIES? I ANTICIPATE, UH, SOME PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS AND, UH, UH, COST FIGURES BECAUSE COST FIGURES IS WHAT IS THE MAIN ISSUE HERE. UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS. UH, LET'S SEE. WOULD YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT, UH, CHARLIE, ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST AN ARCHITECT TO, UH, GIVE US AN IDEA OF PRELIMINARY PLANS, UH, THAT A CONTRACTOR COULD LOOK AT TO DETERMINE WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST? MORNING JUDGE COMMISSION. UM, WELL WE NEED TO GO BACK AND, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S EXISTING NOW, GONNA BE ABLE TO USE AS MUCH AS PREVIOUS WORK AS POSSIBLE. UM, I FEEL A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO GIVE YOU A HARD NUMBER. WELL, WE REALIZE, WE ALSO REALIZE THAT ANY MONEY THAT'S SPENT WOULD COME OUT OF ANY, UH, FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT IS USED TO, UH, TO PURSUE THE, UH, BUILDING WITH. SO YEAH. UM, I CAN GIVE YOU THE RANGE OF THE FULL ARCHITECTURAL FEE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS NORMALLY RUNS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, UH, EIGHT AND 10% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST IS A NORMAL RANGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS FIRST STEP WOULD NOT BE, NOW WHEN I SAY A FULL ARCHITECTURAL FEE, THAT WOULD BE TAKING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. SO YOU'RE JUST ASKING AT THIS POINT FOR ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GET A PRICE, BASICALLY TO GET SOME COSTING. SO THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT FEE. SO PROBABLY ABOUT 3% OR SO, TWO AND A HALF, 3% OF THAT FEE. UM, I KNOW THAT'S A MOVING TARGET, BUT UNTIL WE GET SOME KIND OF OF, UH, BUILDING, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, WITH THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, THAT, UH, WE ARE SEEING PRICES DROP CONSIDERABLY ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE. UM, WE WERE KIND OF CONCERNED FOR A WHILE BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO NOT BE FOLLOWING THE REST OF THE ECONOMY, BUT, UH, IT HAS CAUGHT UP WITH THE CONSTRUCTION WORLD. SO WE'RE SEEING A REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE COST. THE, UH, THE MOTION THAT, UH, IS ON THIS TENANT DAY IS TO NEGOTIATE, UH, THE CONTRACT WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECT. IF A SUCCESSFUL CONTRACT IS NOT NEGOTIATED JERRY, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE. I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S BASED UPON THE SUCCESSFUL NEGOTIATION OF THE CONTRACT AND THEN COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL. AND, AND OBVIOUSLY [00:20:01] I JUST, UH, WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT ANY MONEY THAT'S SPENT TOWARD PURSUING THIS COST WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY PART OF THE TOTAL FEE. IT'S NOT AN ADDITION TO YOUR STAR TRUCK OR ANYTHING. AND ANY WORK THAT'S DONE NOW, UM, WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE CREDITED BACK TOWARD, YOU KNOW, THIS THING WENT FORWARD OR STOP OR WHATEVER YOU WENT THROUGH. SO THIS IS PART OF THAT TOTAL FEE WITH ANY ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ADDITIONAL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT POSSIBLY DOING THE WHOLE THING IN ONE SWOOP. SO IT JUST AS QUICK NUMBERS THERE, THIS WAS, IF THIS PROJECT WAS TO COST $20 MILLION, IT WOULD COST US $600,000 TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST. WELL, IF YOU WENT THROUGH A FULL SET OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN DRAWINGS WHERE WE HADN'T REALLY IDENTIFIED AND GOT DOWN TO A PRICE THAT WITHHOLD CONSTRUCTION AND WE CAN, WE CAN DO A BUDGET PRETTY QUICK. YOU KNOW, I, IT JUST ALL DEPENDS ON HOW TIGHT YOU WANNA HOLD THAT BUDGET. IF YOU REALLY WANNA HOLD IT WHERE IT'S A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER. WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THAT, UH, ELECTED TO KIND OF PUT A RANGE OUT THERE AND WITH THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, NOW THIS IS IN THE PAST, THE WAY THEY WERE RISING, UM, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO HOLD THAT BUDGET 'CAUSE IT, IT WAS AN ESTIMATE OR YOU PUT SUCH A WIDE RANGE ON IT THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD NUMBER TO HOLD TO. UM, I THINK IN THIS ECONOMY WE'RE GONNA SEE THE OPPOSITE. I THINK WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO DO A LITTLE WORK UP FRONT SO THAT WE DON'T OVERESTIMATE WHAT THIS THING MAY COST AND POSSIBLY GO THE OTHER WAY OF IT. SO, BUT THAT WOULD BE A FULL SCHEMATIC DESIGN PACKAGE. YES SIR. INCLUDING COSTING FOR ALL THE EXPENSIVE ITEMS, WHICH ARE YOUR MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL STRUCTURE OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND WE CAN PUT A SQUARE FOOT PRICE ON IT PRETTY QUICKLY. IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT GO INTO THAT. WHAT LEVEL OF FINISHES ARE IN THE COURTHOUSE, HOW DURABLE, HOW LONG DOES THE BUILDING LAST? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY AFFECT PRICE THAT HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THAT, THAT FEE IS. I MEAN, THIS IS STILL A, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS STILL PROBABLY A 90 TO 120 DAY PROJECT TO GET A GOOD NUMBER TO HOLD. IT'S NOT AN EASY TO GET A REAL NUMBER THAT WILL HOLD FOR CONSTRUCTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND AT THAT POINT, THAT WOULD ALSO NOT INCLUDE JUST US AS THE ARCHITECT, BUT ALL THE OTHER ENGINEERS CIVIL, WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE SITE AND ALL THE OTHER THING GOES ON WITH IT. IT'S A FULL TEAM WORKING ON IT. SO WE HAVE TO, UH, GET THE TOTAL PRICE OF BUILDING, OF THE EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU GET THE OFF OUTTA THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, SIR. THE, THE WAY THAT, SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE TOTAL COST AND THEN GET THE PERCENTAGE OUTTA THERE. NO SIR. NO SIR. IF WE WERE ASKED TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH YOU, WE WOULD, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA KNOW WITHIN SAY, A $50 RANGE WHAT IT'S GONNA COST PER SQUARE FOOT BASED OFF PREVIOUS PROJECTS. I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HISTORICALLY TO GET SOME IDEA, BUT THAT PERCENTAGE IS BASED OFF THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION. SO WHEN WE START, WE'LL, WE'LL ALL AGREE ON A NUMBER OF WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GOOD THING ABOUT GOING THROUGH A FULL SOMATIC PACKAGE TO SET A BUDGET BECAUSE YOU'LL KNOW POSSIBLY EVEN WITH GETTING A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD TO DO SOME REAL PRICING, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT YOUR TOTAL PROJECT COST IS. BUT THE FINAL PERCENTAGE IS OBVIOUSLY BASED, YOU KNOW, BEING A CONSTRUCTION OR IF THAT DOLLAR, WHENEVER THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT'S GUARANTEED, IF IT'S A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK TYPE CONTRACTOR, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNTS GUARANTEED AT THE END OF THE SCHEMATIC PACKAGE NOT TO EXCEED. SO YOU'LL KNOW GOING IN AND WHAT YOUR PRICE IS, IF IT'S A BID SITUATION WHERE YOU JUST PUT IT DOWN THE STREET TO THE BIDDER, YOU WON'T GO UNTIL THE BIDS ARE ACTUALLY OPEN, YOU KNOW, END OF THAT PROCESS. SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH THAT. BUT THAT, UH, THAT FEE IS BASED OFF AND IT'S BASED OFF PERCENTAGE OF COMPLETION. SO AS WE WORK, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE'LL BILL YOU MONTHLY BASED OFF WHAT WE'VE DONE. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THE TOTAL COST BECAUSE THE BILLINGS ARE THE SAME. IT'S JUST THE END INSTRUCTIONS WHERE IT'S ADJUSTED. IS THERE ANY POINT IN GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS? UNLESS WE'RE PRETTY SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THE PROJECT COMMISSIONER? I THINK THE BENEFIT OF DOING IT NOW IS DUE TO THE ECONOMY. WE'RE SEEING SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN STEEL, CONCRETE AND LABOR PRICES. THE LABOR IS WHAT HELD OUT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT LABOR IS NOW COMING DOWN WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, ANY WORK THAT'S DONE HERE OBVIOUSLY COULD BE USED IF YOU DID, IF YOU ELECTED NOT TO GO FORWARD, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD USE THESE PLANS AND THE WORK THAT'S DONE UP FRONT, DOWN THE ROAD. I, I THINK EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER DUE TO THE GROWTH. BUT, UH, I THINK THE BENEFIT NOW AND WE'RE SEEING WITH A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS IS THAT THE ECONOMY IS OBVIOUSLY HURTING SOME FOLKS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT BENEFITS THE COUNTIES AND THE CITIES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. 'CAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO GET MORE [00:25:01] COURTHOUSE OR BILLING FOR THEIR DOLLAR. UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SAW IN THE PAST, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WHEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS REALLY WENT THROUGH THE ROOF, WE HAD SOME FOLKS THAT WAITED AND UH, PAID ALMOST UH, 50% AGAIN FOR THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE 'CAUSE OF THINGS INCREASING. UM, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT THINGS ARE GONNA COME BACK, THE GROWTH'S NOT STOPPING. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ADVANTAGE. I GUESS THE THE POINT THERE IS, IS ANY WORK THAT'S DONE AT THIS STAGE WOULD NOT BE WASTED IF YOU'D ELECTED TO STOP. IT COULD BE USED TO GO DOWN THE ROAD WHERE THIS, WHERE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST WANNA NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT, CORRECT IS WHAT'S GONNA COST. RIGHT IN THAT NEGOTIATION, THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GONNA COST. SURE. AND AT THAT POINT WE COULD SIT DOWN AND REALLY SAY, HERE'S SOME COMPARABLE PROJECTS AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR AMOUNTS IDEAS AND WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER OF COURTROOMS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD DISCUSS WHO ALL WOULD BE GOING INTO THAT TO SUPPORT THOSE COURTROOMS. THERE'S SOME PRETTY GENERAL GUIDELINES THAT WE COULD FOLLOW TO GET A PRETTY CLOSE IDEA OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WE ASSUME WE CAN PUT SOME COSTS WITH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THIS PERCENTAGE TO BE CALCULATED ALSO. LET'S SEE. YOU REALLY CAN'T TALK INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT DOING SOMETHING TO YOU. WHAT'S COST? WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA CAUSE TELL YOU WHAT HIS CONTRACT OR CONTRACT WE USE WE GONNA COST. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND ANY MONEY UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST. I AM CORRECT THAT, RIGHT? YES SIR. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT'S, WHAT IT COST. AND I THINK, LIKE I SAID, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE BENEFIT OF DOING A MORE DETAILED PACKAGE LIKE THIS, IS IT REALLY THOSE BIG TICKET ITEMS ARE IDENTIFIED, THE SITE WORK MOVING THE DIRT AROUND THAT SITE'S GOT SOME TERRAIN, SOME SLOPE GOING AWAY FROM THE JAIL THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BE ADDRESSED WITH THE BUILDING AND THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS. THOSE THINGS ARE ALWAYS BIG BUDGET ITEMS. AND WHEN YOU TRY TO GO OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME FINANCING AND YOU JUST KIND OF THROW A NUMBER AT IT, IF YOU'RE NOT CLOSE, IT'S NOT GOOD TO COME BACK THE SECOND TIME AND SAY, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE BENEFIT IS. ALL OF THAT WORK THAT WE HAD DONE FOUR YEARS AGO OR FIVE YEARS AGO. IS ANY OF THAT STILL USABLE? WELL, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, COMMISSIONER, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE MASTER PLAN IS STILL HOLD AND THE SITE HASN'T CHANGED OR YOU HAVEN'T SOLD OR QUITE ANY ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OUT THERE. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T GO DEEP. I DIDN'T SEE ANY TYPE OF CODE ANALYSIS OR ANY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS ANY OF THAT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS DONE SEVEN YEARS AGO IS THEY DRAW YEAH. TO SHOW WHERE, WHAT, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHERE IT SHOULD GO IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE JAIL. AND THERE IS SOME GENERAL LOCATION OF THE CONNECTION TUNNEL, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COULD BE ABOVE GROUND. WE SAY TUNNEL, IT JUST COULD BE SECURE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE ACTUALLY BELOW GRAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT IN THE EXISTING JAIL WAS KIND OF PLANNED AT THAT POINT. SO ALL THIS WORKED OUT WELL, BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE BASICALLY STARTING WITH THE GENERAL LOCATION AND GOING FROM THERE. ARE WE SAYING THEN THAT IF THIS IS A $20 MILLION JOB OR GONNA BE A 20 MILLION JOB AND YOU SAID MAYBE SO AND SO, IT MIGHT JUST BE A 3%. SO ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT $60,000? SIX? NO, 600. 600. AND THAT'S TO GET A TRUE, YOU KNOW, WE, AND WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND, AND NEGOTIATE AND TALK ABOUT HOW FAR YOU WANT TO TAKE ALL THIS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A PACKAGE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY WORK WITH A CONTRACTOR AND AT THAT POINT HE COULD GUARANTEE A PRICE NOT TO EXCEED. AND WE COULD DO SOMETHING FOR $50,000, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A WIDER RANGE BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, AT SOME POINT THIS WORK HAS TO BE DONE FOR THE CONTRACTOR OR THE COST ESTIMATOR TO REALLY HOLD THE PRICE TO IT. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY VARIABLES INVOLVED IN, IN THE AND THE PRICE OF THIS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, WELL, LIKE I SAY, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE MILL SINCE 2002 AND I KEEP THAT I MATCHED EVERYWHERE. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WE'RE GONNA PUT NEW COURTS OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE GROUNDNESS IN THE COURTHOUSE. UH, IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND AT LEAST EMPLOY, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US IF WE DECIDE TO PURSUE IT. MIKE RAY, I DUNNO HOW WE CAN SAY YES OR NO TO SOMETHING IF WE DUNNO WHAT IT'S GONNA COST. JUDGE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP, I GUESS TO SPEAK ON THAT SIGN. YEAH. [00:30:07] OKAY. FIRST PERSON WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS JEFF MOORE. MORNING. MORNING. I APOLOGIZE THAT I WAS UNABLE TO HEAR A LOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON BACK THEN AND, UH, THE SPEAKERS ARE NOT WORKING WELL, BUT, UH, BUT I DID PICK UP ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING SOME MONEY IN PROBABLY THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME TO SPEND MONEY IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. AND, UH, I REALIZE WE HAVE A PROBLEM. I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO STUDY ONLINE OF TRANSPORTING PRISONERS TO THE COURT, BACK TO THE JAIL, THE COURT, AND THAT'S, THAT IS A PROBLEM. UH, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY PRISONERS, BUT, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THE ISSUE AT HAND RIGHT HERE IS THE TAXPAYERS ARE ALREADY JUST ABOUT DRAINED. AND WHENEVER YOU SPEND MONEY, WHETHER IT'S FOR INVESTIGATING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION COSTS, IT'S MONEY. AND THE ONLY PLACE TO GET IT, THE ONLY PLACE THE GOVERNMENT CAN GET MONEY IS FROM THE TAXPAYERS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I GOT FIVE KIDS AT HOME THAT ARE HUNGRY AND WE, WE COULD USE THE MONEY FOR CEREAL. AND, UH, SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, VERY SERIOUSLY OUR RESPONSIBILITY HERE TO PUT A DRAIN THAT'S GONNA BE PAID FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TO MY CHILDREN, MAYBE EVEN MY GRANDCHILDREN. UH, I THINK THAT WASHINGTON DC IS SETTING A AN UNBELIEVABLE COURSE OF DESTRUCTION, OF SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE. AND I CERTAINLY WOULD THINK THAT TEXAS, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND THE REASON I MOVED HERE, I'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS. I SPENT 30 YEARS IN THE ALASKA, I WAS BORN IN COLORADO. UM, AND OTHER THAN A BRIEF TRIP TO VIETNAM AND A FEW PLACES LIKE THAT, I'VE BEEN RIGHT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND I'M WATCHING IT GO DOWNHILL. AND I DON'T THINK TEXAS, UH, SHOULD GO DOWNHILL WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE IN THE WAY THAT WE SPEND OUR MONEY. AND THAT WAS, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK, IS YOUR CONSIDERATION THERE FOR US AND OUR CHILDREN AND WHETHER WE REALLY NEED THE COURTHOUSE, I'D VOLUNTEER TO HALT PRISONERS, WOULDN'T CHARGE ANYTHING, USE MY CAR AND THEY WON'T GET AWAY. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MOORE. JOHN MOORE. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADD TO WHAT MY DAD SAID, UH, WAS THAT, UH, RECENTLY, UH, JUST A PERSONAL TESTIMONY. SEVERAL FRIENDS OF OURS HAD COME OUT AND LOOKED AT PROPERTY IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY THE TAX BURDEN WAS SOMETHING THAT DID COME UP. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS IN, IN CONSIDERATION BY A LOT OF PEOPLE. UM, I KNOW AS AN ARTIST AND, AND RUNNING AROUND AND TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY IS A HIGH CONSIDERATION. AND, AND, UH, I GUESS I WOULD CONSIDER IF, IF IT, IF FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE, WOULD THE, WOULD THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY SUPPORT THIS MOVE? UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION. MY ONLY COMMENT. AND JUST TO, TO, TO REINFORCE WHAT CHAD SAID AGAIN, THAT THE PERCEPTION MEANS A, A VERY HIGH BURDEN AND STRESS LEVEL ALREADY, UH, ON THE TAXPAYERS. SO ANY ADDITIONAL STRESS, ANY ADDITIONAL BURDEN, I FURTHER DISSUADE, YOU KNOW, NEWCOMERS TO THE COUNTY, WHICH OF COURSE REDUCES THE TAX BASE. THANK YOU MR. THANK YOU JEFF. UH, MORELAND SPEED. CAN'T HEAR. CAN WE, CAN WE TRACK THE VOLUME UP? I COULD BARELY HEAR THE GUYS BACK HERE. UH, TESTING. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR THAT? NO. OKAY. THAT WOULD HELP ALL THESE GUYS BACK HERE IN YOUR GUYS' COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU A LOT OF STUFF COMING BACK AND FORTH. IS GEORGE AROUND ? I CAN SPEAK LOUDER, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I COULD DO THAT. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR THAT OKAY? YES. OKAY. BASICALLY I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M JUST KIND OF STEPPING IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. UM, WAS IT, I'M A RETIRED GENERAL CONTRACTOR, SO I APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECT HERE. THERE'S NO WAY HE CAN GIVE YOU GUYS A HARD NUMBER. HE'S KIND OF IN A BETWEEN ROCK HARD SPOT. BUT I THINK MAYBE THE REAL QUESTION IS IS, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, DO WE REALLY NEED THIS FACILITY? DO WE REALLY NEED THIS FACILITY? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK. NOT, NOT HOW MUCH DOES IT COST IF IT'S GOING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF COST IS THE ISSUE, THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE ISSUE. FIRST OF ALL, IN MY OPINION, YOU OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT DOES THIS THING REALLY NEED TO HAPPEN AND WHY DOES IT NEED TO HAPPEN? HA. HAVE WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION? SO, YOU KNOW, IS THIS THE FIRST PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY WE'VE HAD DISCUSS THIS? OKAY, SO NO, IT'S NOT EITHER, IT'S NOT PERSONAL BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION. SO WE'RE CONSIDERING THE POSSIBLE ACTION. [00:35:01] WHAT WAS THE NEED HERE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED FOR THIS BUILDING? SIR, WE'RE NOT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS MEETING. UM, YOU CAN CHECK WITH, UH, ANY OF US INDIVIDUALLY AT ANY TIME, OR YOU CAN CHECK WITH THE, UH, ANY ONE OF THE JUDGES, UH, IN THE COURTHOUSE, UH, GO TO THE COURTHOUSE, UH, THIS MORNING OR ANY TIME THERE'S COURT OVER THERE. AND THIS CAN READILY SEASON. THIS IS CONSIDERATION. WE DON'T GET ASKED QUESTIONS. NO, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T ASK QUESTIONS AT THIS. THIS IS A, A PUBLIC MEETING. WE'RE AUTHORIZING THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SOME STATEMENTS. STATEMENTS, NO QUESTIONS. CORRECT. OKAY. WELL, MY STATEMENT WOULD BE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THIS FACILITY REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND, UM, MAKE THAT DETERMINATION FIRST. AND THERE IS, UH, I I THINK YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT THE ECONOMY IS NOT THE GREATEST. SO YES, THERE IS A, UH, CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE DOWN, BUT I WOULDN'T MAKE THAT THE DECISION TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD ON A PROJECT UNLESS THE PROJECT IS REALLY JUSTIFIED. SO NOW WHO CAN I ASK QUESTIONS TO? WELL, AFTER THE MEETING, YOU CAN ASK ANY ONE OF US IF, UH, YOU WANT TO, OR THE SHERIFF IS A GOOD ONE. UH, HE'S THE ONE THAT'S PUSHING THIS, UH, VERY MUCH. THE, UH, HE PROBABLY JUDGES THE JUDGES THAT ACTUALLY CONDUCT THE COURTS EVERY DAY OVER IN COURTHOUSE. UH, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE COURTHOUSE ON DAILY BASIS. THE BEST THING IS FOR YOU TO GO OVER THEIR COURTHOUSE. UH, IS THERE A, IS THERE A FORUM WHERE WE CAN HAVE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS? YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY COULD ALL KIND OF GET TOGETHER? DO THEY DO THAT OR IS IT NO, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BUT YOU MIGHT FIND OUT WHERE, UH, WHAT, WHO, WHAT COMMISSIONER IS, UH, COMMISSIONER OF YOUR PRECINCT TO GO TALK TO THEM. OKAY, GOOD. WELL, PRECINCT, WHERE DO YOU LIVE, SIR? YOU LIVE IN CAL, SIR, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? PALM IN THE CITY? YES. YEAH, YOU NEED TO COME TALK TO ME. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. ARE YOU TAKING MY VOTERS AWAY FROM ME ALREADY? CAL? I THOUGHT I THOUGHT YOU SAID CAL. YOU SAID I SAID NO. OKAY. NO, DON'T COME TALK TO ME. OKAY. , IF YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO TALK TO, I, THANKS SIR. APPRECIATE IT. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID CALL. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING? YES, SIR. JERRY HASN'T SIGNED UP. COULD YOU SIGN THAT RIGHT THERE, PLEASE? MY TOM, ER AND I'M FROM SCURRY AND I SAY TO EACH COMMISSIONER, VOTE LIKE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY WANT YOU TO VOTE AND DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT THE JUDGE RECOMMENDS. THANK YOU. IN WHAT ELSE? MY NAME IS SAM FULLMAN. I'M A BRAND NEW RESIDENT TO SCURRY. UH, JUST MOVED IN. SAM, GO AHEAD AND SIGN UP BEFORE HE STARTS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS SAM COLEMAN. I JUST MOVED INTO SURY, TEXAS AND I'D JUST LIKE THAT GO TOM AND JEFF AND JEFF AND JOHN'S COMMENTS. UM, IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND $20 MILLION OR SO ON NEW, UH, RAISING NEW PROPERTY TAX, WHATNOT, PLEASE PUT IT TO A VOTE FIRST. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. ALL OF YOU KNOW, UH, UH, CHARLIE KERNS, HE WORKS WITH WIGINGTON H****R AND JEFFRIES. UH, CHARLIE'S THE ONE THAT, UH, WAS WITH US ON OUR TRIP TO, UH, BELL COUNTY LAST YEAR WHEN WE LOOKED AT THEIR FACILITIES. UM, I LIKE THAT FACILITY. I THINK, UH, I'VE CHECKED AROUND AND THEIR REPUTATION OF THEIR COMPANY IS HIGH. AND UH, I'D RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, EMPLOY WIGINGTON H****R AND JEFFRIES TO, UH, ALLOW ME TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR THE PRELIMINARY WORK FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER AND TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR, UM, [00:40:01] THEIR APPROVAL. AND I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION ONE ONCE. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT. MOTION MADE BY JUDGE 10, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. NOW WE'LL OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. UH, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SPENDING ANY MONEY. WE'RE JUST GONNA FIND OUT WHAT'S GONNA COST US IF WE WANTED TO GO THIS ROUTE. WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANYBODY'S MONEY RIGHT NOW AT ANY TIME, BUT WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO DO. CAN'T MAKE A A DECISION. IT COULD BE TOTALLY OUTTA RANGE. IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE AFFORDABLE. WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE MOVE INTO THIS AND WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY AT ALL TO ENTER THIS STAGE OF, IS THAT CORRECT? HIRE THEM. DO THAT. HAVE SOMEONE DO THIS, Y'ALL. WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US TO HIRE ME. YOU'RE AUTHORIZING ME TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND IF WE CANNOT NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT, THEN NO, IT DOESN'T. IF WE NEGOTIATE A SATISFACTORY CONTRACT THAT Y'ALL WILL APPROVE, THEN IT MAY COST US A LITTLE MONEY TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST, BUT NOT THAT MUCH. SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA AUTHORIZE WITH THIS MOTION IS TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE US AND WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON THAT AFTER FACT. THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE US $5 AND TELL US WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US. IF WE AGREE TO PAYING $5, WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST. IF IT'S 500,000, WE'RE GOING SAY NO. OKAY. EXACTLY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL THIRD SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED A OKAY. MOTION FAILS. NEXT ONE. DISCUSS. CONSIDER APPOINTING A CAROL KIPP BOARD MEMBER AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPOINT MR. JACKSON SINCE HE AND MR. CLARK, UH, COMMISSIONER OVER THE AREA IS LOCATED. SO YOU'RE WILLING TO SERVE? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. I ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN. ALL IN PRIVACY, AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ONE, CONSIDER APPRO IN LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN VAL SPRINGS VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT AND COMAN COUNTY PRECINCT. NUMBER THREE, QUESTION ON THAT. UH, WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST WEEK AND THEY DON'T MEET UNTIL THE 14TH. INTERRUPT YOU. DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE WERE LAST, LAST WEEK? BACK? IF YOU READ WHAT THE STATEMENT SAYS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE LEGITIMATE SAID, IT SAYS AN INTERLOCK AGREEMENT BETWEEN ABEL SPRINGS ALONG BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENT PRECINCT THREE. ABEL SPRINGS IS A 5 0 1 C3. RIGHT. NOT A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION. SO MR. JACKSON'S GONNA GO TO THE ESD TO, TO DO THE NEGOTIATE HOW THAT, I DUNNO, I THINK I, I JUST SAID PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. IS THAT WHAT I SAID, ANDY? AND IT, IT GOT ON THE AGENDA. SAME AS BEFORE. OKAY. SO HE'S GONNA NEGOTIATE WITH SD SO WE CAN DO AN INTER LOCAL, RIGHT? SO ON. OKAY, WELL WHY DON'T WE TABLE THEN MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON, THE TABLE THAT SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DOLLAR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT DISCUSS CONSIDERATION OF RODNEY E BISHOP, UH, FOR THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. MOTION MADE. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR TO SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT PROVEN ADAPTATION OF JACOB A. STEWART FOR THE COLTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DOLLAR. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I. MOTION CARRIES. UH, HAVE ANY LINE ITEM THIS MORNING? HOW YES, SIR WOULD DO IN PUBLIC REGISTRATION WITH PROPOSED LINE ITEMS TO INCREASE FOR $5,000 REDUCTION OF SALARY POSITION MORNING 22ND. DISTRICT COURT INCREASE EXTRA [00:45:01] 6,000 WITH REDUCTION SALARY, POSITION TAX INCREASE HELP, 2000 SOCIAL SECURITY, 200 OF PRODUCTION AND OFFICE FURNACE EQUIPMENT, UH, AND A BUREAU OF JUSTICE FUND, UH, GRANT FUND FOR THE SHERIFF IN FREE MISCELLANEOUS 5,000 IN PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF REVENUES TO CERTIFY AND BUDGET FOR PUBLIC WORK GRANT FUND 2,540, BUDGETING THAT FOR EXTRA HELP AND LOGIC. OKAY, Y'ALL LINE ITEM TRANSFER REQUEST. MOTION. MOTION. SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. AND I GUESS WE HAVE A FEW BILLS. YES SIR. THIS APPARENTLY INVOICE YOU RIGHT THERE. THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. YES. THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE, GIVE THIS TO JOHN. THANK YOU. THAT ASK QUESTION. RAY, DID THE JUDGE APPOINT YOU TO THE LL TIFF? THE JUDGE APPOINT YOU TO THE TARRELL TIFF. THE IT'S BOTH OF YOU CLARK. BEEN ON A WHILE. HE'S REPLACED COMMISSIONER SHANE. OKAY. POSITION ON THAT. ALRIGHT, IF ANYTHING ELSE HAPPENS YOU [00:50:01] CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT LAST DEDUCTION FROM PAYROLL. SEE WHAT, HEY JIM, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT ROAD DID YOU DO WITH THAT ROAD? WHAT? WITH THAT ROAD BALL STUCK? UH, 40 11. 40 11. ABOUT A MILE OF IT. I JUST WANNA GO LOOK AT IT. IS THAT STILL HOLDING UP? OKAY. DO YOU THINK I HADN'T LOOKED AT IT TODAY, BUT YEAH, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT FOR YOU. YEAH. 90, 39, 1, JUST KEEP GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS. 90 DOWN THE HILL WHEN YOU COME UP PAST 40 PASS BEFORE YOU GET INTO VAN Z COUNTY. OKAY. YOU'LL SEE THAT ABOUT A MILE. DO LITTLE CLOSER TO MY ROAD. I DON'T TO DRIVE SO FAR BECAUSE I DID PRECINCT ON THE RIGHT. HEY, MADE IT SMOOTH. OH YEAH. WE GOT, WAS A GUY WAS THE OTHER DAY AND WE WERE OUT THE YARD THERE. HE SAYS HE KEPT EVERY CAR. HOW COME THOSE CARS KEEP SLOWING DOWN? I SAID BECAUSE THOSE HOLES IN THAT ROAD DOWN, HE THOUGHT THEY WERE SLOWING DOWN THE SPINE ON ME. , NO COMMENT. [00:55:59] 20 DAYS. OH, I DIDN'T THINK IT LIKE IT. I'M NOT GONNA, I NEVER GOT A, NEVER GOT A TA. OKAY. I WHATEVER YOU SAID LIKE 6% I'M STAYING THE SAME. YOURS CHEAPER THAN 2060. YOU THINK EVERY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH? I DON'T THINK SO. USUALLY YOU, YOU COMPLAIN WITH HIGHER. I'M NOT COMPLAINING. TURN THAT FIVE. BUT IT'S NOT INTENT. YOU SAY NOW I HAD ONE. NO, THIS, THIS ONE FURTHER HAD TROUBLE HIM JUMPING AND HE TRIED TO JUMP AND HE COULDN'T MAKE IT. SO HE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ITS YEAH, I HAD LEFT THE FENCE OUT AND THEN GET INTO MY NEIGHBORS AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE JUST FOLLOWING. SO I FINALLY SOLD HIM. I PROTEST [01:00:19] WAS HERE. GUY JUMPED OFF YOU? YEAH. FIRST CAME. WELL JIM BID FOR THE INSURANCE WOULDN'T VOTE PUT SO AFTER THOSE TWO. YEAH, AWAY FROM IT. BUT THERE IS, YOU PUSH IT AWAY UNTIL THEY DECIDE. THIS IS NOT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I THINK [01:05:03] 30 THE, I CAN TAKE YOU THEM OUT. REALLY. HEY UH, JACK? YES SIR. THIS WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR? YEAH. ON THIS STUFF I SENT YOU. I DON'T LEGAL THIS BIG FANCY MASS ON DOWN. I CAN SEE WHAT THE ONE DOWN THERE SAID. THE WEST END DOWN THERE. A 10 BETWEEN FOUR AND SEVEN WEEKS. WELL THE PROBLEM, IT'S GONNA COME ABOUT TIME. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT'S HELL TRY AND FIND ONE HEAT. DON'T MATERIAL MEAN. JC DID YOU HAVE TO PAY, DID YOU HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME PUT IN THAT TANK CAR? THE TANK ON THAT BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION THING? [01:10:07] UH, WE BOUGHT. YEAH. DID HAVE NOT YET. OH, YOU JUST BOUGHT IT AND GOT IT OUT THERE. SO, WELL WE DON'T HAVE EQUIPMENT TO HANDLE ONE OF THOSE, DO WE? THIS THING'S 60 FEET, 60 INCHES WIDE, 60 FEET WIDE. I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YOU GOT A HYDRAULIC? SURE. YOU'RE SLIDING AROUND WITH THE BACK. ROLL IT IN A HOLE. IT'S NOT EASY. I SEE. WELL THAT PUT MOVE JUDGE. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD JOHN DAVIDSON WHEN HE GONNA HAVE A LIVER TRANSPLANT. YOU KNOW JOHN, THE DOCTOR CAME IN, TAKE OUT THE, ANYWAY, JOHN ASKED FOR A SECOND OPINION. I HOPE JUDGE HE DID. OKAY. WILL MAKE A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER FELLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAIR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. UH, I GUESS WE'LL SEE Y'ALL NEXT WEEKEND. I AND A MOTION TO ADJOURN. ADJOURN MOTION MADE BY JONES SECOND. ALL IN MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE OUTTA HERE. IUR ADJOURN. [01:32:10] IT [01:32:10] JUST [01:32:11] DOESN'T [01:32:11] MAKE SENSE. YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL READY AND LEAVE. THEY START TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS TOO. REALLY? IT WAS KIND OF MAKE ME MAD TOO BECAUSE I HAD TO BACK IN THE BACK CORNER I COULDN'T SEE TO GET MY, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL UNTIL READY TO GO LIKE TWO SECONDS AND I GUESS HAD TURNED OFF CINDY'S FAN. SHE KIND OF FRONT AND YOU TURN OFF THE FAN, YOU TURNED OFF THE LIGHT. SHE WASN'T RIGHT READY TO LEAVE. AND THEN I GUESS I'M NOT SURE HOW IT WORKS, BUT SHE SAID WHEN YOU TURN OFF THE LIGHT SWITCH, IT TURNS OFF HER FAN AND YOU KNOW HER FEELINGS. BUT I SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT CUT OFF YOUR ARM FOR THAT WAS EVERYWHERE AND SHE'S GONE ANYWAY. WE'LL DO IT. SO, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID, BUT I THINK, BUT SHE'S LEAVING TOO. SHE'S NOT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.