* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] MORNING, PLEASE HEAVEN. FATHER, WE CONTACT YOU FOR THIS ANOTHER DAY. FATHER, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING TO BE DOWN ON THIS COMMISSION COURT. WE ASK YOU TO BLESS US IN OUR DECISION MAKING. THEN, FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO BLESS THE LEADERS OF THIS COUNTRY AND BLESS OUR TROOPS THAT ARE OVERSEAS, THIS STANDING IN THE FENCE OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY. FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEM WITH A SAFE, UH, JOURNEY BACK TO HOME. THIS WE DO PRAY IN OUR SON JESUS. AMEN TO THE FACT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHERE WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION AND UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE I, UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG, I ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE. SAY ONE AN INDIVIDUAL. OKAY, Y WERE PREVIOUSLY GIVEN A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. FIRST, UH, THING OFF THE BAT THIS MORNING IS GOING BE MR. HOW JONES, OUR COUNTY OF HARTER, AND HE HAS THE AUDITOR'S REPORT FOR MARCH. SIR, THANK YOU. HOW? THIS WILL BE ON MY DESK THIS WEEK. I COME BY AND SEE HOW YOUR FUNDS ARE SETTING THIS. ALSO, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE WE USE THIS TO GAUGE, UH, WHEN WE START OUR BUDGET TALKS, I'D ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT. NO MA. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. WE YOU ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. UH, NEXT THING HOW IS STILL UP? HE WANTS US TO DISCUSS AND SET APPROVAL OF 10 COUNTY RESOLUTION FOR THE INDIGENT DEFENSE DISCRETIONARY GRANT PROGRAM. JUDGE, THIS IS THAT GRANT THAT WE INITIALLY GOT TO HELP, UH, SET UP THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND IT JUST REQUIRES AN ANNUAL, UH, RENEWAL. YES. IT'S JUST, JUST AN ANNUAL RENEWAL THAT, THAT INDICATES. WE DO WANT, DO WANT KEEP APPLYING FOR THE GRANT. UM, THERE WAS AN ONLINE APPLICATION THAT I, I DID LAST WEEK FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. WE NEED THE RESOLUTION FOR THE COURT. THAT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO US. SO I'M SURE WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, CONTINUE THAT. I'LL SECOND. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUND, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ER. ALL IN FAVOR? A A MOTION CARRIES. I'M GOING. CAN YOU GIVE LAURA THE, UH, SCOTT HERE AT THE BOTTOM AFTER SUBMITTING THE DISCRETION GRANT APPLICATION ONLINE FOLLOWING INTERNET SUBMISSION, CONFIRMATION NUMBER WAS RECEIVED. YES. I CAN GIVE THAT. [00:05:26] I HEAR YOU MR. JACKSON. SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS SPEAKER. A LITTLE PLAYBACK. WHAT'S NEXT? UH, I HAVE HERE MR. LARRY, Y TO REVIEW FOLDING BURN BAND SIGNS APPROVED BY FOR INSTALLATION ON STATE RIGHT OF WAY SIGNS REQUEST FUNDING APPROVED FROM, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH PUT IT SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE, UH, NOTICED THESE IN OTHER COUNTIES AND HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT PUTTING UP AND GETTING THEM IN OUR COUNTY. AND IT IS A BURN BAND SIGN THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY GIVE YOU THE SPECIFICATIONS ON IT. AND WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE HERE PRESENT TODAY. I'VE MET WITH CHRIS JOHNSON, WHO'S THE MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR FOR BOTH AND ROCKWALL COUNTY. AS HE CAME TO THE OFFICE, HE'S REVIEWED THIS SIGN. THE CRITERIA FOR IT WOULD BE IS IF WE PURCHASED THEM, WE, THE COUNTY MAY INSTALL 'EM ON THE STATE MARKER SIGNS ANYTHING. IN OTHER WORDS, STATE HIGHWAY 34 1 7 5 OR WE CAN INSTALL THEM ON THE ENTRY SIGNS WHERE YOU ENTER INTO THE COUNTY AND, UH, IN, IN ANY LOCATION, WHAT WE WOULD DO, WE'D GO AROUND, WE WOULD KIND OF TAKE A LIST OF LOCATIONS WHERE WE THINK THEY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. GIVE 'EM BACK TO CHRIS. HE WOULD THEN OKAY THEM, UH, I ASSURE YOU WON'T BE A PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE STICK TO THE SIGNS AREA THAT COULD AND THEN, UH, THE COUNTY COULD INSTALL THEM AND LEAVE THEM IN THE FOLDING POSITION. AND THEN WHENEVER IT COMES TIME FOR BURN BAND, WE CAN JUST, UH, GO OUT, YOU KNOW, PUT THEM BACK DOWN TO LOWER. IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY. Y'ALL WOULD, WELL, IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY. I MEAN, I'M KIND OF HERE FOR TWOFOLD PURPOSE. UH, I DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GO OUT AND INSTALL THE SIGNS. I DO HAVE THE FUNDING THAT I CAN PURCHASE THEM WITH, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU APPROVE, IF I COULD ASK THAT THEIR , WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SEVERAL MONTHS TO GO OUT AND PUT 'EM UP. WE'D BE TRYING TO ORDER 50 OF THEM. SO YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT 12 PIECE AT THE MOST IN YOUR PRECINCT. AND I LIKE TO SEE IF THE COMMISSIONERS THEN WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND INSTALL THEM AND WHEN THE TIME COMES THEN FOR THEM TO BE LET DOWN, EITHER THEM OR I CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO GO OUT AND LOWER 'EM. IT JUST MEAN TAKING ONE WING NUT OFF OF THEM AND DROPPING THEM DOWN AND PUTTING THEM BACK. THEIR C CLAMPS ARE JUST A TWO INCH C CLAMP WITH A STUD ON IT. YOU'D BE PUTTING THREE CLAMPS UP, YOU KNOW, TWO TO HOLD THE SIGN AND CLOSE POSITION AND ONE DOWN LOWER. ARE YOU GONNA COME UP WITH A LOCATION? YES SIR. WE HAVE THE LOCATIONS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE. OF COURSE THAT'D BE FOLDED UP LIKE THAT DURING THE OFF SEASON. AND THEN WHENEVER WE HAVE A BURN DOWN OFF, TURN IT AROUND AND AND DROP IT DOWN. CERTAINLY. YES MA'AM. TELL ME WHEN. I DON'T THINK IT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF CALLS. THE OWNERS AT ALL ALWAYS BEING A CALLING WASN'T I HAD, UH, LARRY AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING A GOOD RAINY DAY JOB, GOOD NON WORK DAY JOB. UH, AND BEING THAT WE HAVE THE MANPOWER, WE COULD LET 'EM DOWN BECAUSE WE'LL KNOW THREE OR FOUR DAYS IN ADVANCE THAT WHEN THE BURN'S GONNA COME IN, SEE IT ON THE AGENDA, I THINK A GREAT IDEA. PUT THEM DOWN AND THEN WHEN IT CALL UP WE CAN PUT 'EM BACK UP. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IF I'VE GOT TROUBLE, I'LL DO THAT MYSELF. YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT. IT GETS DOWN TO THE LETTING DOWN. WE'LL FIND DOWN. BUT AS FAR AS UP, OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE A VEHICLE WITH A DRILL WHILE I TAKE IT BACK. IT PROBABLY WON'T REQUIRE A DRILL OR CLAMP ON. AS LONG AS WE PRE-DRILL THESE BEFORE WE GIVE THEM TO YOU AND WE, I CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT. I'LL GET THEM PRE-DRILL. OKAY, Y'ALL CAN DO IT. I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IT'S JUST THREE SEAT CLAMPS THAT GO ON EACH AND AT THE MOST IT BE 12, ONE OF THEM. IS THERE A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT? YES SIR, THERE IS, BUT THAT'S, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACT DETAILS ON IT, BUT THOSE SIGNS HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE LIMITED TO THOSE PARTICULAR SIGNS. AND I DON'T REMEMBER, I BELIEVE IT'S SIX FOOT FROM THE UPPER LEVEL TO THE GROUND MINIMUM. BUT I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT. UH, THE SIGNS THAT WE WOULD GIVE YOU, WE'D GIVE YOU A LITTLE DETAIL SHEET ON IT THAT SHOWS YOU, BUT BASICALLY YOU JUST PUT IT RIGHT BELOW THE EXISTING SIGN. WILL THAT BE BY AN INCH [00:10:01] OR WHATEVER? THIS, THIS SHOWS ACTUALLY SEVEN FOOT, BUT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEY JUST CLAMP ON UNDERNEATH THOSE DRIVEWAY SIGNS. YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE SIDE, THEY'RE SEVEN FOOT MINIMUM. SO YEAH. AND SO WE JUST START THAT? YEAH. YEAH. I BELIEVE IT SHOWS THREE INCHES BELOW. THERE IS WHERE YOU START THIS ONE AND FOLD IT BACK UP. SO ANYWAY, IN THE FIRE CODE FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE PERMITS AND INSPECTION FEES, WE HAD THE MONEY AVAILABLE IN THERE. WE'VE DONE SOME SHOPPING AROUND. INITIALLY WHEN WE STARTED TRYING TO LOOK THESE UP, THEY WAS GONNA RUN A HUNDRED DOLLARS A POP. UH, DANNY NEWTON IN KATHY'S OFFICE HAS A LOT OF SIGNED CONTACTS SINCE HE DOES THAT AND IS LOCATED ONE, UH, THIS COMPANY I BELIEVE IS IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE'VE GOT 'EM DOWN TO, UH, $37 AND SOME ODD CENTS A PIECE. NOT COUNTING THE HARDWARE, WHICH IS ABOUT SIX HARDWARE. SO FOR 2060 $3 VERSUS ABOUT 5,500, I'D GET 50 OF THEM. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL COME UP WITH A LOCATION, THE STATE WILL SIGN OFF ON THOSE LOCATIONS AND THEN AT THAT POINT Y'ALL WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT. I HAVE TO PASS THEM OUT TO Y'ALL AND PUT, I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA. I HAD SEVERAL CITIZENS CALL AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE OF COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, BURN. I BELIEVE IT'D BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THEM OUT THERE. THIS COMPANY IN MISSISSIPPI IS ONE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A CONTRACT WITH FOR SAYING, UH, YEAH, DANNY, I THINK JUST ORDERED SOME OTHER STUFF FROM HIM RECENTLY. AGAIN, HE TOLD, HE IN FACT HAD ORDERED SOMETHING RECENTLY OF Y'ALL SIGNED BLANKS, I SUPPOSE, SOMEWHERE ELSE PROJECTS THAT HE ORDERED SOMEWHERE. NOT WITH THAT JACK. NO, SIR. SO THE TOTAL, WE APPROVED THAT. YEAH, THE TOTAL I BELIEVE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 2063. AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON USING IT FROM THOSE FUNDS, I, I'LL MAKE SURE I WENT THROUGH JOHN HERE AND WE, WE BOTH KNEW WE COULD ANYWAY, BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE WE CAN. THAT'S BRACKETS AND EVERYTHING. UH, YES SIR. IT'D BE ABOUT $2,100 BRACKET. ALL WE BY COMMISSIONER ANYMORE MORE DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LARRY. YES, MA'AM. OH, I GUESS SO IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT AND GET ME IN THERE, IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU HAD ME IN THERE. KIND OF MAKES YOU A MODEL SPOKESPERSON. HEY JACK, WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND, AND, UH, OPENING, OPENING BID, UH, RESIDENTIAL, YOU HAVE BIDS. JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE TACKLE THIS AND, UH, PUT ON NEXT'S AGENDA. WE RAN INTO SOME PROBLEMS, UH, ON THIS BID, WHICH REQUIRED AN EXTENSION OF THE WEEK. OKAY? I'D LIKE TO DO THAT NEXT WEEK. COMMISSIONER JACKSON WILL AGREE WITH YOU AND COMMISSIONER DUH. WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIED. WE'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST THE CLOCK. I'M FULLY AWARE OF THAT. LET YOU KNOW. HAD WE NOT REACTED IN THIS MANNER. WE OPEN BID TODAY. THEY HAVE ONE BID. NORMALLY WE HAVE THREE BID. SO, UH, WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UH, ONE OF THE TWO, TWO OF THE PLAYERS, UH, SAID IT WAS NOT GONNA BE. AND, UH, WE MADE CALLS LAST WEEK. WE WERE KIND OF ALARMED BY ANOTHER CITY BID. ONE OF THE PLAYERS WAS NOT GONNA BID AT ALL. UH, ONE OF THE BIG COMPANIES HAD MERGER WITH FOUR OTHER COMPANIES AND, UH, THEY MM-HMM. SO WE SPENT LAST 30 FRIDAY WORKING ON THIS, MADE SEVERAL CALLS AND ADDITIONAL, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE THAT'S MADE IT HARDER FROM THE BID OR NO, SIR. IT JUST, UH, ONE ACTUALLY WAS UP THE DISPOSAL THAT HAD, UH, DID HAD PROBABLY 75% OF THE PAST AND THEY HAVE MERGED WITH ALLIES, REPUBLIC AND TRINITY. AND DURING THAT MERGER THEY WERE TOLD, YOU KNOW, NOT TO BID ANY BIDS. AND SO WE, UH, THAT AND THEY WE'RE NOT GONNA BID. WE MADE A GREAT DECISION, EXTEND IT OUT. AND, UH, LAST THIRD MADE SOME CALLS AND SO WE HAVE, UH, SOME MORE BID. PARDON? WE HAVE SOME MORE BID IN HERE. WE ACTUALLY HAD A, DID COME IN FRIDAY AND UH, IT'S BEEN EXTENDED THROUGH THIS, RIGHT? AND I ANTICIPATE MAYBE GETTING ONE OR TWO MORE. SO I THINK IT, IT JUST A TRANSITION PERIOD OF PROBLEM WITH THOSE FOLKS. THEY THE NEED TO HAVE AND BE GOOD SHAPE. ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY NOT BE BIDS ON ALL LOCATIONS, SO WE MAY HAVE A [00:15:01] LOCATION WITH NOBODY THERE TO SERVICE IT IN THE PAST THAT, THAT ONE BID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BID IS, THAT ONE BIDDER HAS HAD THREE LOCATIONS OUT THE NINE. SO WE HAD SIX LOCATIONS. NO SERVICE. I THINK WE'RE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? SAY A, A MOTION. UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, CONSIDER THE SALE. GET BACK ON THE AGENDA THE SAME WAY. THE SALE OF STAR ACRES, NUMBER TWO BY ONE, MS. SLOAN. UH, JUDGE MR. SLOAN AND I AND, UH, MR. SHERVIN SET OUT AND LOOKED FOR AND HE HAS REPLANT. IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS WAS PLANTED IN 1997 AND IT HAD, UH, MR. SLOAN ON IT WITH SOME PARTNERS AND IT HAD SOME STREETS AND ROAD IN IT. AND HE HAS DISSOLVED THAT PARTNERSHIP READY TO SELL THIS. AND SO HE IS HAD IT REPLANTED. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STREETS AND ROADS ARE GONE. ALL OF THE, UH, PLAT ARE 10 ACRES OR MORE, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF EVEN HAS TO BE REPLANTED NOW. BUT SINCE HE REPLANTED TO MOVE THE STREETS AND ROADS OUT, HE WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT IT TO US. UH, WE GOT THE 9 1 1. WE GOT DANNY TO SIGN OFF ON THE 9 1 1 PEOPLE, UH, ON, ON THE 9 1 1 9 11 NUMBERS, WE GOT THE LETTER FROM GENE N SAYING THAT THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL THINGS OUT THERE. WE GOT THE LETTER FROM THE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION, UH, SAYING THAT, THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT. SO WHICH ONE OF THESE IS WHAT'S, UH, THIS IS THE RELA WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL, ARE THESE LITTLE LOTS STILL IN THERE? UH, GARY, ARE THESE LITTLE LOTS STILL IN THERE? YES, THESE ARE PART OF THE, PART OF THE FIRST. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT IN THE FIRST OKAY. AND THERE WEREN'T ANY OF 'EM SOLD, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET ANYBODY TO SIGN OFF OR ANYTHING. WELL, WE'RE NOT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE RIGHT HERE? WHAT IS THIS? OKAY, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, OKAY, BUT THESE UP THERE ON 1 39? YEAH, THOSE ARE STILL PART OF THE FIRST PLACE. 4, 5, 6, 10, 11. OKAY. THAT WAS ORIGINALLY, THAT WAS IN ACCIDENT, BUT IT WAS NEVER, NEVER ANYTHING. SO NO, I THINK YOU SOLD A COUPLE OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S BEEN OUTTA MY POCKET. PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE OF ME HAVE BEEN SOLD. I OWN THREE OF A, USED TO BE MY PARTNER HAS FOUR OUT THERE AND THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SOLD. NEED TO MAKE SURE WE, OKAY. NOW, NOW OUT OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS FILED, HAVE THERE BEEN A LOT SOLD YET? THEY ALL HAVE GONNA BE, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT NOW. I DIDN'T THINK ANY OF, I DIDN'T REALIZE ANY OF 'EM HAD BEEN SOLD. THERE BEEN, WELL, NONE OF THE REFLEX HAS BEEN SOLD. RE YEAH, BUT IF, BUT IF YOU REPLANT A PLANT AND THERE'S BEEN LOTS SEW, THE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPROVAL OF EVERYBODY WHO BOUGHT THOSE LOTS ORIGINALLY, IF YOU'RE GONNA REPLANT THE ORIGINAL PLANT. I DIDN'T REALIZE SOME HAD BEEN SOLD IN THERE, JUDGE. UH, OKAY. UH, WE'VE GOTTEN EVERYTHING ELSE DONE THEN. HOW MANY IN THERE HAVE BEEN, HOW MANY IN HERE HAS BEEN SOLD? HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN SOLD? PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE. OKAY. I KNOW ALL THERE'S 12 LOTS OUT ALL THREE. DO YOU HAVE, UH, CONTACT WITH THOSE PEOPLE? CAN WE GET IN TOUCH WITH THOSE AGAIN? NO, WAYMAN SAID HE OWNS THREE OF THEM, SO YEAH. AND THEN YOU PARTNER AROUND FOUR. FOUR. ABOUT SEVEN. SO JUST NEED TO APPROVAL FROM THE OTHER. WHAT ARE THE SIZE OF THOSE LOT? I DON'T, MAYBE I'M MISSING IT, BUT YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE [00:20:19] I DON'T SEE ANY APPROVAL ON HERE. THAT'S JUST FROM MY, MY FILE. THAT'S YOUR, FROM YOUR FILE. OKAY. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, IT WAS APPROVED, UH, FILED AND APPROVED BY THE COURT. OKAY. SO JUDGE, WE NEED APPROVAL FROM THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD, THAT HAM DOESN'T TO MAKE IT AND TO CLEAR IT UP NEEDS TO SIGN A OKAY. AND THEN, UH, APPROVAL OF THE RELA BY THE, UH, APPROVED BY THE REQUEST BY WATSON. POSSIBLE, I MEAN THIS IS THE, THAT'LL BE THE THIRD TIME THAT MR. SMALL HAS BEEN HERE AND PART OF THIS IS PROBABLY MY FAULT. I DIDN'T REALIZE SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN, SO, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO OKAY THIS WITH A, UH, CONTINGENCY THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THOSE THIS WEEK. SO HE'S GOT THESE THREE UNDER SALE, UNDER CONTRACT, UNDER CONTRACT TO SETTLE RIGHT NOW. AND I, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO KEEP THAT FROM, UH, KEEP HIM FROM HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER WHOLE WEEK IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. WELL, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TO GRANT LABOR. WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSING INSTEAD OF THE SALE OF STAR ACRES NUMBER TWO BY WAYNE SLOAN. I, I QUESTION THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE HIM THE AUTHORITY TO SELL. I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE AGENDA AS, UH, UH, DISCUSSED CONSIDER APPROVING, UH, A REFL OF STAR ACRES. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO IS APPROVE THE REFL. WE WON'T APPROVE HIM SELLING ANYTHING. WE'LL JUST APPROVE THE REFL BILL THAT IS THAT 60 FEET THAT REQUIRE THAT. OKAY. YOU JUST INC STREET, STREET RIGHT THERE. MAYBE I'M MISSING IT, BUT I'VE GOT A LOT HERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE ACRES IN IT RIGHT HERE. AM I MISSING THAT? IT'S PART OF THIS SURVEY LINE. SO NOW THE REPLANTS UNDER 10 ACRES, BUT BECAUSE IT IS A REPL, HE STILL HAS TO DO IT. THERE WAS HE, IF HE STARTED OUT ORIGINALLY, HE DIDN'T HAVE THESE LITTLE LOTS UP HERE. YEAH. AND, AND HE WAS DOING THE WHOLE THING AND EACH LOT WAS OVER 10 ACRES AND HE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO FLAT IT. THE ONLY REASON WE'RE RE FLATTENING IS TO THOSE PLA STREETS BECAUSE HE NEVER BUILT THE STREETS. THERE'S STILL A PROBLEMS DOWN. I SEE. PROBABLY WHAT [00:25:01] DO WITH THOSE PEOPLE. YEAH. WHAT DO DO WITH CURIOSITY, WITH DRIVEWAY CONTINUE PROPERTY OR IS THAT THE, YOU ALREADY, WELL THEY'RE GONNA NEED THIS, UH, PART OF THE STREET TO ACCESS THIS, UH, FOOT SIX FOOT ROAD. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO TO DO THAT OR TAKE CARE OF THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU COULD DO TO ACCESS THAT MIDDLE TRACK. THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS THAT, I DON'T KNOW THOSE TWO, MY PARTNER DIED OR THEY'RE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED. I, I DUNNO DEPEND 90, I DON'T THINK EIGHT DRIVES PERMISSION TO DO THAT. SO ALL THAT IS, IS A WAY TO GET INTO THIS TOO LONG. AND DOES THAT VIOLATE THAT FLAG THING NOW? IT'S NOT 75 FEET. WELL ACTUALLY FIVE OVER HERE BE MADE BIGGER AND I DUNNO IF THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF HERE TOO. WE'RE NOT SURE I TO 12 YOU, YOU ON THE YEAH. OKAY. UH, JUDGE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE THIS AGAIN THEN AND BRING IT BACK? WELL, YOU GOT SEVERAL PROBLEMS. NUMBER ONE, WHAT WORD ON THE AGENDA? UH, IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED THROUGH THE, UH, REFL OF STAR ACRES. AND ALSO THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU HAVE TO DISCUSS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA RUN A VARIANCE THROUGH SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. UH, SINCE THOSE FLAG LINES ARE ONLY 60 FEET INSTEAD 75 FEET. OKAY. IT DOES HAVE 2 62 ON TWO. SO IT'S KIND LIKE NOT EXACTLY LIKE A FLAG, LIKE A TWO FLAG. CORRECT. HOW WIDE ARE THOSE? THEY'RE 60. THEY'RE BOTH 60. SO THAT'S 120 ALTOGETHER. I MEAN, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THE, UH, THE EASEMENT OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THOSE LOTS? THEY'RE ONLY 60 FEET ACROSS. THE EASEMENT IS LOTS, ARE ABOUT 35. YOU MIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY PARTY, THE, THERE'S ALWAYS ACCESS TO MM-HMM . OKAY. SO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY IT'S WORDED [00:30:01] AND UH, WE NEED TO GET THE OKAY FROM SIGN OFF OF EVERYBODY THAT'S ON. OKAY. WHO'S DO YOU KNOW, ARE THESE, ARE THESE THE, THEY'RE JUST BOUGHT BY SOME INDIVIDUAL? OH, MY PARTNER FOUR USED TO BE AN PARTNER. OKAY. HE SAID, YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S ALL THREE. YEAH. ARE THEY NOT SOLD ANYBODY? PARTNERSHIP FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO WE TOOK EACH A PIECE OF WHATEVER, WE DIVIDED IT UP. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO OWNS THOSE. AND IF, IF, IF THEY ARE IN EFFECT OWNED BY SOMEBODY OTHER THAN YOU OR YOUR PARTNER, THEN THAT CHANGES THEIR SITUATION. SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON, I DIDN'T, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE SIGN OFF. THEY NEED SIGNED OFF ON BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE SITUATION WHEN THEY BOUGHT THOSE, THERE WERE STREETS AND ROADS IN THERE AND NOW THEY'RE NOT STREETS AND ROADS. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN, YOU KNOW, THAN WHAT THEY, UH, WHAT THEY PAID FOR. SO THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THEIR MIND. YEAH. ANYTIME YOU DO A ROOF PLAT, IF ANY, IF ANY, LOTS IN THAT ORIGINAL PLATTER BEEN SOLD, THE LAW REQUIRES THAT EVERY PERSON BROUGHT A LOT IN THERE. AGREE WITH THE REFL. OKAY. UH, MR. VARIANCE, COULD YOU, IF YOUR PARTNER ON THESE, COULD YOU TRADE THIS ONE, ONE THESE OVER HERE AND THEN YOU'VE TO HAVE THAT YOU 60, BUT YEAH. AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE SINCE YOU'VE GOT TWO HERE. ONE THIS PIECE. YOU SWAP ONE OF THESE HERE. I, I HAVEN'T, I HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO IT. YOU HAVE? I BEEN DOING THE, WELL, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION, BUT AS FAR AS WE DON'T HAVE THE CHOICE. OKAY. UNTIL THESE PROBLEMS ARE WORKED OUT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REWORDED. WE CAN'T AUTHORIZE A SALE. NO, THAT'S WHAT, UH, JERRY, YOU RIGHT. SO YEAH, WE WOULDN'T BE AUTHORIZED THE SALE. WE'LL JUST BE DISCUSSING, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE D PLAN OF STAR ACRES. YEAH. WE LEFT THE ROADS IN THERE. WE HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION TO SELL IT IN THE BIG BLOCKS IF WE DIDN'T TAKE THE ROADS OUT. YEAH. ANY, WELL, YEAH, YOU CHANGE IT THEN YOU CHANGE UP SOME OF THE SIZES OF THE OTHER BLOCKS. IF YOU DON'T TAKE THE LOADS OUT, ARE YOU STILL GOING TO END UP? YEAH, IT, IT DID CHANGE A LOT BETTER. BACK. YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING ON, YOU'RE ADDING ON THERE A LOT BASE BACK HERE. SO YOU'RE ADDING ON, YOU ELIMINATE THE STREETS, YOU'RE ADDING ON. NOW THIS IS ONE, THIS BE ALL ONE. THESE ARE, I I JUST WANNA GET BACK. I DIDN'T WANNA BE RESPONSIBLE A ROAD LATER ON WHY ON THAT. YES. OTHERWISE IT'S, SINCE THEY'RE ALL OVER, ALL OVER THE, THE ORIGINAL SUB PEOPLE, THEY'RE EVEN GONNA SAY, WELL THEY TOLD US THEY'RE GONNA HAVE BIG HOUSES BACK HERE NOW. NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NO WHAT BACK THERE? MANUFACTURING OR WHATEVER. [00:35:01] SO THEY COULD HAVE SOME, THEY COULD HAVE SQUABBLE IN THAT THEY SIGN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES AT ALL FROM THE ORIGINAL TO THE RELA, THEN YES YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEIR SUBMISSION. WHETHER IT'S TAKE OUT THE ROAD OR, OR SORT CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE LOTS OR WHATEVER. IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY LOTS THERE OUT, OUT WHO THEY ARE. OKAY. AGENDA JUST TO, OKAY. THE REFLEX, RIGHT? THAT'S, YEAH. UNLESS, UH, UNLESS YOU WANT TO PUSH THAT 60 FOOT FRONTAGE WOULD BE TO VARIANCE, SOTHE VARIANCE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GRAB. OKAY. THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO OF THOSE THERE, DOES THAT NOT, UH, FACT TWO ENTRYWAY, TWO 60 FOOT ENTRYWAYS. TWO 60 FOOT ENTRYWAYS, WHICH MAKES 120 FEET LONG TOGETHER SEPARATE. IS THAT LIKE A TWO LEGG FLAG OR THEY'RE NOT, I DUNNO THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING EACH OTHER. JOHN MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. THEY'RE 60 FOOT HERE AND THEY'RE 60 FOOT HERE. OTHERWISE IS HE GONNA HAVE TO REPLANT THAT TO GET 75 FEET ON EACH ONE OF THOSE TO MAKE THAT? UNLESS YOU ASK FOR A VARIANCE. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CRUSTY OLD COMMISSIONERS DON'T REALLY LIKE TO GIVE VARIANCES. , YOU JUST HAVE TO DO ONE. YEAH, JUST HAVE TO DO ONE. YEAH. IF THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS 75 FOOT WOULD BE GREAT IF HIS PARTNER OWNS ONE OF THOSE. IF ANY OF YOUR PARTNERS OWN ANY OF THIS ONE, I GUESS THIS ONE OR EVEN THAT. IF YOU DOWN, YEAH, SEE WHAT HE SAYS. SAME. I DIDN'T REALIZE, CONFIRMED THAT. SO THAT'LL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. BUT IF YOU CAN ONE THOSE, I THINK THAT YOU GOTTA GET THOSE. UH, I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T REALIZE SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN SOLD. HE SAYS HE THINKS ONE OF THE PARTNERS. SO JUST THAT 15 DO THIS, WE 15 PAPER . JUST GO OVER HERE. YOU SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO YOU AND GET TOGETHER AND DO THAT. SEE IF YOU CAN FIND OUT WHO OWNS THOSE AND, AND CASE AND UH, AND WE'LL CHANGE THE BE BACK ON THE AGENDA NEXT. THAT, THAT'S MY FAULT. I DIDN'T REALIZE THOSE. [00:40:03] OKAY, I'LL GET WITH YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. SO THE MOTION BY SECONDED BY MOTION CARRIED. OKAY. NEXT, UH, WE'LL DISCUSS CONSIDER ROAD REPAIR FOR THE CITY OBSCURITY. JUST, JUST SOME, UH, LITTLE PATCHING AND FEW RECYCLE ASPHALT, WHICH IS A COUPLE OF STREETS. THIS IS PER OUR IN LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT. THIS IS THE SECOND CONTRACT, I GUESS SECOND, UH, $2,330. I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE REPAIR OF THE ROADS ON CITY SECURITY. NEED A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN PARA MOTION. CARRIE, I'M GOING EMBARK. STILL TRYING TO PUT SOME TELEPHONE CABLE DOWN HERE, TIM? YEAH. WE'LL, MR. COUNTY ROAD 40 57. I MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND. WE NEED A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAIR MOTION CARRIED. UH, DO HAVE ANY LINE? YES SIR. INCREASE KNOW DOLLARS CONFERENCES, PRECINCT EQUIPMENT EXTENSION SERVICE, TRANSPORTATION FROM LIVESTOCK. 5 58 PRECINCT COMPUTER AREA, INCREASED INFRASTRUCTURE, 20,000 COLLECTION SOFTWARE COSTS AND THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER. INCREASED MEDICATION. $200 PRODUCTION. PERSONAL CARE SUPPLIES. INITIALLY WE HAVE SOME GRANT REVENUES TO COGNIZE BUDGET AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT GRANT FOR 50 1004. 54. AND BUDGET THAT FOR A VEHICLE. WHAT GRANT WAS 1004 50. 51. OH YES. TWO VEHICLES. HAVE YOU GOT YOUR UH, HYBRID JET SHERIFF? NO, WE GOT WATER. OKAY, WELL WE GOT THE MONEY. I, JUVENILE PROBATION. WE HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT BETWEEN, UH, SALARIES FOR PROBATION OFFICERS. ADMINISTRATIVE SYSTEM OUT 36. OKAY. Y'ALL HEARD THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER REQUEST WOULD IN MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION. UH, WE READY TO GO. YOU DON'T, [00:45:25] RIGHT? HE ASKED REAL ESTATE. I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T KNOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I JUST, YOU DIDN'T GO OUT TO THE GAME. SATURDAY DID QUARTERBACK. HUH? REALLY? THAT'S PROBABLY ALL OF SOME REASON JUSTIFY THAT. OKAY. DID THAN DID THEY UH, DID THEY GIVE YOU THE EXPERTISE? I SAID THAT WAS EXTRA, RIGHT? ? YES. SAY THE MIXTURE FOR 10 AND THE TEETH ARE, I GOT SOME EXTRA. I THOUGHT YOU GONNA REPLANT THAT LEG ALONE IF HE'S GONNA MAKE YOUR GOLF. [00:50:29] THAT LITTLE, UH, RESALE THERE. IF I THREW I'D YOURS, I THINK IT'D BEEN WORTH IT. I DIDN'T, HE WAS SAYING THAT SINCE HE WAS IN HIS MIND I WAS THINKING THAT, THAT, THAT THOSE FRONT LINES HAVE NOTHING. WELL, ACTUALLY THAT WAS SAYING, REMEMBER WHEN I ASKED HIM NO IN NO BEHIND. NOW IT'S GONNA BE, THAT COULD BE ANYTHING. IT COULD BE WEDNESDAY OR SATURDAY. WHAT DO WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT YOU SUICIDE RIGHT THERE. FIGHT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE THERE'S GOING BE AT. IT WASN'T GOING BE AT 40. WE REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT IESI HAD SO GOT SO MANY OF THE BIDS THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. SOMEBODY BID. I CAME DOWN AND TRIED TO SMOOTH PROBLEM PRECINCT. [00:56:14] OH YEAH. IT'S NICE IF THEY ONLY HAVE TWO, PROBABLY THREE AT THE MOST SITES TO TAKE CARE OF, THEY GET FOUR OR FIVE NATURE CALLS IN THE THIS GUY. HE DESIGNS ALL THIS STUFF. YOU WANT ME TO SAY YOU GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO, DID THEY NOT? THAT'S PART OF THE, THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW. PARDON? MR. JACKSON, MR. JUDGE, MR. GONNA, IF ALL OR PART OF THE TRACT HAS BEEN SOLD TO NON-DEVELOPER OWNERS, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT SHALL ALSO GIVE NOTICE. EACH OF THESE OWNERS MY CERTIFY REGISTER MAIL [01:00:02] IS THAT INDICATE WHICH NEXT ONE. AND IT SAYS, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE A NOTICE BY MAIL UNDER, IF THE PLA REVISION ONLY COMBINES EXISTING TRACKS. I DOES NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF IS THAT WHAT JOHN WAS? JOHN WAS TRYING TO SHOW ME SOMETHING. NO, I THINK THAT'S OUR, I THINK THE STATE LAW. THE STATE LAW. YEAH. JOHN WAS ABOUT TO SHOW ME SOMETHING REVISION, WHAT JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, THAT'S THE REVISION OF THE PRETTY COMPLICATED. I THINK THERE'S SOME KIND OF A, HE'S, HE'S GOT TO DO THE REVISION. WE NOTICE FOR THE THREE TIMES OUT THE, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY ELABORATE. SHE HAD GO FOR WHY NOT JUST CANCEL YOU? WE DID. A COUPLE MONTHS. WE DID. WE WE HAD TO LOOK UP WHEN THEY CAME IN AND GAVE SUBDIVISION. HE GIVE THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION BACK. HERE'S THE, UH, SECTION HERE. WE'VE GOT A PUBLISH IN THE NEWSPAPER AND HAVE FREE HEARINGS ON IT TO SEE IF ANYBODY'S GONNA PROTEST IT. UH, MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DELL, SIR. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR. A A MOTION CARRIED BEFORE WE LEAVE, UH, WE'LL GET INTO TO GET A FRAME FOR THIS, BUT, UH, THIS WAS UNITED WAY APPRECIATION COUNTY FOR THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION MADE TO 2008 NINE CAMPAIGN OF SUCCESS. WE HAVE TOUCHED THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS PEOPLE IN KAMAN COUNTY. ALRIGHT, WE'LL TRY TO FIND A ROOM FOR LIKE BACK THERE. OKAY. NOW JERRY, YOU KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? WE NEED TO NOW WE'RE MORE CONFUSED NOW. , HE THOUGHT HE DID, BUT TALK TO MR. LONG. REALLY COMPLICATED. YEAH. BRING IT BACK. BACK AND SEE IF I CAN GET A VARIANCE. DON'T . ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LOCK FRONTAGE ON THE ROAD? YEAH. IS 60 INSTEAD OF 75? YES. YEAH. AND THEY HAD TWO SIXTIES. YOU'RE SAYING THAT GREG LAKE SAY 60? NO, NO, GREG, NO LAKE. SAY SEVEN, FIVE. THAT'S WHAT I, I WAS TRYING TO, YEAH, BECAUSE IT, YOU CAN'T KEEP IT OUT ON THE FLAG BLOCK BECAUSE WE JUST SAY FLAG LOTS ARE NOT GENERALLY ACCEPTED. BUT THE ROAD FRONTAGE IS 70, 75. BUT THAT WAS ONLY BY CALKIN COUNTY. BECAUSE IF LAND, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE JUST SAYS THE COUNTY CAN DOCUMENT IF YOU GOT, IF YOU HAVE TWO 60 FOOT ENTRANCES. IS THAT NO, IT ABOUT FRONT DISTANCE. THE GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS AN ACCEPTABLE AMOUNT. 75. JOHN COMMISSIONER ROUND SAYS HE'D LIKE TO VISIT WITH . UH, THE GUYS. YEAH. GUESS, UH, THAT'S IT UNTIL NEXT WEEK. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING. UH, COMMISSIONER DOLLAR SAYS, LET'S GO HOME SECOND. AND COMMISSIONER CLARK SAYS HE AGREE AND YOU SAID SECOND FOR NO DISCUSSION. ALL IS FAVOR. MOTION CARRIES. AND WE ADJOURNED. [01:08:11] I MEAN, I, [01:13:52] I'VE BEEN WAITING ON ONE. [01:19:10] OH, I GUESS SO. WOULD YOU LET HER KNOW THAT, THAT THE, THE BUDGET AND THE HOLIDAYS ARE FIXED ON. OKAY. [01:23:30] DID THAT [01:30:20] OKAY. [01:30:35] DIDN'T WANT, DID YOU? YOU'RE CLOSER TO YOUR, HEY, YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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