* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK NEED FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY OF GATHERED TOGETHER TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY THIS MORNING. PLEASE LOOK DOWN UPON US WITH FAVOR AND GIVE US THE KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISION. PLEASE LIGHT THE DARK PLACES IN OUR LIVES. HEAL THE DAMAGE PLACES IN OUR HEARTS, WARM THE COLD PLACES IN OUR SPIRITS, AND FEEL THE EMPTY VOIDS IN OUR WORLD. ALL OF THIS WE ASK, IN JESUS NAME, I PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WIDGET STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, AN INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. SO ALL UNDER THE THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE AN INDIVIDUAL. OKAY, UH, LET'S PARDON, WE GET A DISCOUNT FOR THE PLEDGE, UH, UNDER RETAIN CORRESPONDENCE. UM, UM, LET'S SEE. COMMISSIONER DELL, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THIS, UH, STAR, UH, HALL OF FAME TO, UH, JERRY. ALRIGHT. DID A VERY GOOD JOB. KAUFMAN WOOD, COFFMAN WOOD. MR. JERRY S OUR LATEST START. STEVEN SPILLER CALLED HIM, WANTED ME TO BE IN A MOVIE, BUT, UM, PUT, WE'LL SAY ONE THING. YOU HAVE DRONE MORE FUN WHEN I RUN OFF IN THE WATER, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. BEL. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'LL, REMEMBER THAT, WON'T YOU? IT'S MORE ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE THIS FROM DON, BY THE WAY. SHE GAVE ME ONE FOR YOU. TELL, SO YOU'LL BE HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. THIS EXPLAIN THIS, RIGHT? THIS IS A PERCENTAGE OF RETURN, UH, OH, CENSUS, RIGHT? YEAH. PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE PRETTY GOOD NUMBERS. YEAH. YEAH. VERY GOOD. THAT'S JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION. THAT'S WAY ABOVE AVERAGE. SO YEAH. PERCENT GROSS. NO, NO. 14 PEOPLE, PEOPLE, THAT'S RESPONS. THERE'S NOT ONE IN HERE THAT'S AS LOW AS THE STATE AVERAGE. NO, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. UH, Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING, CORRECTIONS. IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTING. SECOND, SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TELLER. ALL FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA JUMP AROUND ON HERE A LITTLE BIT. UM, JUDGE, UH, CHI'S HERE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING TRANSFER OF AUTHORITY FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES WITH THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT. JUDGE. THANK YOU, JUDGE. UM, AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU APPOINTED ME TO SERVE AS HOFFMAN'S REP ON THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO NOW. I THINK JUDGE JENT IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO STUCK ME ON THERE. AND, UH, THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY IS THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY FOR THE NORTH STAR REGION, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF HOLLAND, DALLAS ROCK WALL HUNT, KAUFMAN ELLIS IN THE VERA COUNTIES. IT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIMENT WITH A GUN ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. AND, UH, UH, IT'S A SINGLE PORTAL AUTHORITY FOR THE DELIVERY OF [00:05:01] MENTAL HEALTH AND CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY SERVICES FOR THE INDIGENT IN THOSE SEVEN COUNTIES. AND UNLIKE ALL OTHER LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, NORTH STAR OR NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PARTY DOES NOT CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH THE BHO FOR THIS AREA. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE, THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE PROVIDING OF SERVICES CONTRACTS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES OUT OF AUSTIN RATHER THAN NIVA THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY, THIS WAS NOT THE INTENTION OF THE LEGISLATURE. UH, AND SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THE NIVA BOARD AND HAVE SERVED AS CHAIRMAN OF THAT BOARD NOW FOR THREE YEARS, UH, WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AUSTIN TO REST THAT AUTHORITY OUT OF AUSTIN AND BRING IT UP TO NORTH TEXAS WHERE IT BELONGS. AND, UH, MY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND I, AND ONE OF MY BOARD MEMBERS MET WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONER OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ABOUT A MONTH AGO. TOM SEAS AND COMMISSIONER SEAS AGREED WITH US THAT THAT WAS IN FACT THE INTENT OF THE LEGISLATURE WHEN THIS BODY WAS CREATED AND THAT THE BUREAUCRACY IN AUSTIN OUGHT TO CUT LOOSE OF THAT AUTHORITY AND SEND IT UP TO THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY. AND COMMISSIONER SEAS SUGGESTED THAT WE GET A RESOLUTION MUCH LIKE THAT, THAT I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, UH, TO ALL THE COUNTY JUDGES IN THE SEVEN COUNTY AREA. AND LET THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, BE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND IF YOU OBJECT TO IT IN ANY WAY, THEN UH, LET US KNOW. IF YOU DON'T OBJECT TO IT, THEN WE'D LIKE FOR ALL THE COUNTY JUDGES AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE AND GIVE US SUPPORT FOR TRANSITION THAT AUTHORITY OUT AUSTIN UP TO THE LOCAL AUTHORITY. AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THAT RESOLUTION IS JUST TO SHOW THE COMMISSIONER THAT THE LOCAL, UH, GOVERNING OFFICIALS SUPPORT THIS TRANSITION OF AUTHORITY. I THINK IT'LL DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT WILL CUT OUT A LOT OF BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE IN AUSTIN. IT WILL GIVE THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY GREATER HANDS ON, UH, CONTROL OVER THE DELIVERY OF THESE SERVICES. MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT AND, UH, MORE ACCOUNTABLE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION. IT WON'T INTERFERE WITH THE FLOW OF FUNDS COMING FROM THE STATE. THE, THE FLOW OF FUNDS SHOULD BE CHANNELED DIRECTLY FROM THE STATE COFFERS INTO THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AGENCY, WHICH THEN WILL CONTRACT WITH THE BHO. YEAH. SO IT'LL GIVE US MORE LOCAL CONTROL OVER HOW THOSE SERVICES ARE DELIVERED. UM, SOME OF YOU I THINK, KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THESE COTTAGES OVER THE STATE HOSPITAL SET ASIDE TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FOR THOSE MENTALLY ILL WHO ARE CONTAINED IN OUR JAILS. UH, A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE MENTALLY ILL HAVE NO HOUSING. THEY END UP UNDER THE BRIDGES OR IN FLOP HOUSES OR IN THE JAILS WHEN THEY DON'T REALLY NEED TO BE IN JAIL. THEY NEED TO BE SUPERVISED AND MEDICATED AND TREATED AND HOUSED IN LESS RESTRICTIVE FACILITIES. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING OUR DARNEDEST FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO GET THOSE COTTAGES SET UP. UH, WE'VE HAD A 30% INCREASE IN DEMAND FOR SERVICES IN THE SEVEN COUNTY AREA OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS WITH A 20% DECREASE IN FUNDING FROM THE STATE. SO IT'S A CONSTANT STRUGGLE TRYING TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICES WITH LESS MONEY. LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO CUT MORE BEDS OUT OF THE, TRYING TO CUT 50 BEDS OUT OF THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW. AND I'VE MET WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THAT AND TOLD HIM THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. AND, UH, HE AGREES IT IS A IDEA. I THINK IT MAY BE AN AN EFFORT BY THE COMMISSIONER TO MAKE ALL THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES LOOK BETTER THAN THAT ALTERNATIVE, SO THEY'LL CUT THE MONEY OUT OUT OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUDGET. BUT NEVERTHELESS, UH, THIS I THINK IS A GOOD STEP FOR THOSE OF US IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA AND, UH, WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADOPT IT. UH, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE VERY GOOD. UH, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD SINCE NORTH STROKE WAS CREATED IS TOO MANY STRAINS ATTACHED. AND THIS WILL GIVE THE LOCAL BOARD MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT'S GOING ON. JUST HAS TO GO THROUGH ONE LESS. UH, UH, WE HAVE, WE WOULD CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH THE BHO UNDER THIS KIND OF TRANSITION AUTHORITY. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE KIND OF SUPERVISORY AUTHORITY WITHOUT ANY TEETH. AS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, IF YOU CONTROL THE PURSE STRINGS, YOU CAN, WHAT YOU SAY HAS MORE IMPACT. WE HAVE NO CONTROL RIGHT NOW OVER THE PURSE STRINGS. AND SO, UH, WE CAN RECOMMEND AND OVER OVERVIEW AND PROVIDE OVERSIGHT, BUT, UH, THIS WILL GIVE US GREATER CONTROL OVER DELIVERY OF SERVICES. UH, UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN MAKES THE MOTION COMMISSIONER [00:10:02] IT DISCUSSION WITH ALL STUFF YOU THAT YOU GOT GOING ON, BUT, UH, CONVERSATION WE HAD IN THE PAST. I DUNNO IF THAT'S TOUGH. YEAH. JUDGE GOT IN INVOLVED IN THIS, UH, OF COURSE. UH, WHEN HE, WHEN HE TOOK THE FINISH, THEN HE REALIZED HOW MANY MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WERE IN OUR JAILS AND THAT, THAT THE JUDGE THEN STARTED WORKING ON IT BACK THEN. AND, UH, THAT'S THE PROBLEM ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS IS, Y'ALL KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR, YOUR COMMISSIONER'S MEETINGS AND MEETINGS THAT TEXAS VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE JUDGE HERE WORKING FOR OUR BENEFIT HERE. APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE THOSE KIND WORDS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. JUDGE, I THINK MAYBE YOU AND NOT THE SECRETARY NEED TO SIGN SOLUTION. AUSTIN LAWYER PREPARED THAT AND UH, UH, HE DOES HAVE THE WRONG SIGNATURE. YEAH, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THE COUNTY JUDGE RATHER THAN MINE HAS COUNTY JUDGE DOES IT. OH, REALLY? OKAY. YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I THINK MAYBE ANGIE RETYPED IT, MA'AM. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK, I MENTIONED THAT NAME ANGIE THE OTHER DAY WHEN I GAVE IT TO HER. SHE'S VERY EFFICIENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL PICK UP THE ORIGINAL, UH, OR A COPY CERTIFIED COPY A LITTLE LATER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU JUDGE. YOU BET. OKAY. UM, SOMEONE SAID THAT CHUCK KIMBRO WAS OUT HERE. YES. ALRIGHT, LAST, SINCE CHUCK'S ON THE CLOCK, I'D LIKE TO GET HIM STARTED. UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE MOTION TO, UH, MOVE FROM OPEN MEETING TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OUR CLOSED MEETING WILL BE HELD PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE 5 51 0.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IN ORDER FOR CU COUNTY COMMISSION COURT TO CONSULT WITH AND SEEK ADVICE FROM ITS ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO AND WITHIN THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND THE CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP IS DEFINED BY THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS RULE 5 0 3 OF THE TEXAS RULES OF EVIDENCE AND OTHER AUTHORITY REGARDING THE FOLLOWING. PENDING LITIGATION IN A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENT BODY UNDER A FOR SAID AUTHORITY CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH 5 51 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE PENDING LITIGATION CALLS NUMBER 6 6 1 6 4 DASH 86 STYLE, JOIN PHONES VERSUS COMAN COUNTY AND OTHERS IN THE 86 JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT IN TOMAN COUNTY, INCLUDING ANY APPEAL OR REQUEST FOR POST ORDER JUDGMENT AND RELIEF. UH, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. FOLLOWING FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. SO WE'LL MOVE FROM THE OPEN SESSION TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, I DID YOU GET IT? I DUNNO WHAT TO DO NEXT LUNCH. JOHNNY COUNTRYMAN HERE. THEN WE'LL GET JOHNNY, YOU GOT OUR REPORTS HERE. DID CHANGE ALL THE DATES, THE NUMBERS CORRECT ANYWAY, AND ONLY ONE THING I WANNA SAY THAT ALL OF OUR MONEY OUT THE BANK NOW, UH, WE WOULD TEXT TOOL THREE, FIVE YEARS. IT WAS THEIR SO LOW, IT'S NOT GONNA KEEP IT OUT THERE ANYMORE. SO WE'RE KEEPING MONEY. AMERICAN DASH BANK AND ACTUALLY MAKE SOME COLLECTION FEES. WE COME OFF THAT TOO. ICAL COST. SO CHANGE POOL AS LOW. YOU [00:15:03] 2% GOT MONEY MARKET NOW. THAT'S ALL JUDGE. OKAY. UM, I MOST EXCEPT THESE REPORTS MOST MADE BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. NO. UH, OKAY. WELL, I, WE, WE LEFT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION BACK IN OPEN SESSION. THANK YOU. UH, BACK IN OPEN SESSION. UH, THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. NOW BACK ON SCHEDULE. THAT'S ALL MOTION. IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE BY . OKAY. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. Y'ALL SIGN THIS WHILE OUR NEXT IS MANEUVERING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MR. CARRIER. MR. CARRIER. HE'S RIGHT HERE. JUDGE CARRIER. HE JUST WANTS ASK ABOUT THE USE THE PARKING LOT. JUDGE. WAS THE NO ACTION TAKEN PERSONS? I HAVE FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR MOTION SECOND TO ACCEPT THE MONTHLY TREASURER'S REPORT. OKAY. YOU SAID THAT WAS JIM AND JERRY? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE A MOTION IT TO BE NO ACTION DONE RIGHT? I I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS JC THAT IT, WELL, IT WAS, BUT THEN WE DECIDED TO CHANGE IT. WE JUST TRYING TO CONFUSE EVERYBODY. JUDGES DO THAT SOMETIMES. THEY'RE DOING ALL THREE OF THEM, RIGHT? YES. ALL THREE OF THE REPORTS. YEAH. YES. YEAH. HE'S OKAY IF I DON'T GET, GET DO YOU HAVE THESE, THE FIRST AND SECOND FOR MEETING POST SESSION ENTERING A REGULAR SESSION? UH, YES. UH, WE DID MAKE THAT MOTION TO GET IT SECONDED. YOU GONNA GIVE IT UP? ? ALL IN FAVOR YET? ALL WE VOTED IN FAVOR. UM, YEAH. COMMISSIONER DELLER MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED TO LEAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND MOVE INTO OPEN COURT. AND THEN I MADE THE MOTION TO TAKE A RESTROOM BREAK, , AND I SECONDED THAT ONE. I HAVE A DISCUSSION. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND START TALKING, BUT SOME OF THESE GUYS, THEY'RE NOT, THEY MULTITASK GOODS. SO JUDGE, I KNOW TOO MUCH STUFF ON YOU FOR YOU TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. YEAH, I KNOW. SOMEBODY ELSE GET AWAY WITH DRY. THE JUDGE PICKED UP A POT ONE TIME WHEN IT WASN'T IN THE LEATHER, SO I KNOW LATE. I BET I CAN GUESS WHO THAT IS. IT FLOATED, DIDN'T IT? IT DID THE NEXT ROUND COME BACK AROUND. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ONE YOU WAITED OUT TO GET. DID. NO, THAT WAS, YOU WAITED. THIS ONE, IT GOT TOO FAR OUT [00:20:01] THE WATER BY, UH, GENE CARE SAYS HE'S LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I'M READY FOR THAT. HE WANTS TO PLAY. AND THEN, UH, YEAH, DANNY, UH, I TALKED TO DANNY AND DANNY SAID THAT HE WAS HITTING THE BALL REALLY, REALLY WELL. LAST TIME RAY HIT A SEVEN IRON 295 GALLON TWO NINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SEVEN. HE TEXT, UH, GENE AND TOLD GENE SAID, I'M HITTING THE BALL REALLY, REALLY WELL. BRING A LOT OF MONEY TO COLLEEN . AND, UH, THEN GENE TOLD ME THAT, SO THEN I CALLED, CALLED DANNY. I SAID, NOW REMEMBER DANNY, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. I CAN BOTH . OKAY. UH, WE HAVE MR. DANIEL CARTER, UH, AND HE WANTS TO DISCUSS AND ASK, UH, PERMISSION, I THINK TO IF WE CAN ALLOW SOME PARKING FOR HIS BUSINESS ON THE COUNTY PARKING LOT. DANIEL? YES. YOU WANNA COVER THAT FOR US? YES, SIR. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND TALK THIS MORNING. UH, MY NAME'S DANIEL CARRIER. I WORK AT CITY KAMAN. I WORKED, BEEN THERE 15 YEARS. OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BUSINESS COME AND GO. I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY BUSINESS IN HERE FOR, IN THE CITY FOR CHILDREN, FAMILIES, SOMETHING THEY DO TOGETHER. UH, I'VE, MY KIDS, I HAVE KIDS WHO GO TO SCHOOL HERE. MY WIFE TEACHES HERE. UH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS ESTABLISH SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY. SOMETHING THAT WILL IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY FOR THE FAMILIES. SOMETHING THE, THE, UH, KIDS CAN DO WITH THEIR FAMILIES TOGETHER. UH, WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS AN INDOOR SOCCER THING THAT WE CAN DO YEAR ROUND INSIDE. I LOOKED AROUND FOUND, UH, SOME PLACES THAT'S PRETTY MUCH OUTTA MY PRICE RANGE. I'M AN INDIVIDUAL. I'M NOT A CORPORATION OR I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FINANCIAL BACKING BEHIND ME WORK IN CITY COFFMAN. IT'S JUST ME, ME AND MY FAMILY AND MY WIFE. UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS I'VE TALKED TO MS. PAUL BACON, WHICH IS OWNS THE OLD BACON LUMBER COMPANY. YES, SIR. JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE THE BUILDING IS BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AS THE INDOOR SOCCER, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY. BUT MY PROBLEM IS PARKING. PARKING IS A BIG THING. THIS IS STILL IN THE PLANNING AND, AND, AND GETTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT, UM, THE PARKING ISSUES HAVE TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE I CAN MOVE FORWARD TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE BUILDING OR SO ON AND SO FORTH. MY, MY PROPOSAL IS SEE IF YOU WOULD, UH, DISCUSS AND, AND SEE IF IT WOULD BE OKAY, UH, TO HAVE SHARED PARKING WITH THE BACKSIDE OF THE PARKING LOT THAT SAW ON MONROE STREET, UH, FOR THE BUSINESS. UH, THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING WITH THE, UH, COUNTY BUSINESS BUSINESS HOURS OR ANYTHING. THIS WOULD, ALL THE, THE, UH, INDOOR SOCCER WOULD ONLY TAKE PLACE AROUND 5, 5 30 TO AROUND 9, 9 30, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT ON THE EVENINGS. UM, MAYBE SOME WEEKENDS THEY HAVE SOCCER, SO ON AND SO FORTH. RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY THERE'S ONLY 10 PARKING SPACES OVER THERE. UH, I NEED SOME, SOME PARKING. AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WOULD BE SOME SHARED PARKING AND, UH, SO ON AND SO FORTH. WHAT WE WERE DOING IS PROBABLY HAVE SOME, UH, CHILDREN, UH, TEENS, SOME ADULT TEAMS, SOME UH, ADOLESCENT TEAMS, SO ON AND SO FORTH, MEANING AGE 10 AND 12, UP TO ADULTS, SOME MEN AND WOMEN, TEENS PLAYING IN THE EVENINGS TIME, SO ON AND SO FORTH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, TRYING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN HERE FOR THE KIDS TO DO. AND LIKE, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING ME AND MY WIFE AND MY FAMILY'S TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER. AND, UM, MISS, UH, BACON HAS, UH, AGREED ON THE LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING. MY UNDERSTANDING IS SHE MAY POSSIBLY HAVE IT SOLD, UH, TWO, THREE YEARS OUT FROM NOW. UH, THIS IS PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT A TWO YEAR DEAL FOR US. UH, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND UH, I MIGHT SEE IF WE [00:25:01] COULD HAVE SOME SHARED PARKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE BACK PARKING LOT THERE, JUDGE. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, THAT, THAT WE WOULD BE NAMED ON THEIR INSURANCE POLICY AS ADDITIONAL INSURED. YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THAT PART WAS ALWAYS REQUIRED MILLION. KNOW FOR ANYBODY WHO I I I'VE CONTACTED THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE WORKING SOME POLICIES RIGHT NOW TO SEE, MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THAT. MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. LOOKING AT, UH, ONE BY SEPARATE BY ITSELF FOR THE PARKING LOT ITSELF AND THEN ONE FOR THE BUSINESS WITH THE RIDER ATTACHED FOR THE PARKING. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS RIGHT NOW. AND I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE NUMBER AND THE POLICY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. IF IT, IF IT'S APPROVED THE PARKING ISSUE PROBABLY WITH THE CITY COLLEGE, IS IT NOT? YES, SIR. FOR ANY BUSINESS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY REQUIRED PARKING SO AND SO FORTH. AND ME, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS BEHIND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN, BUILD A PARKING LOT. OKAY. BUT I'M, I'M JUST LEASING IT FOR 12, 14 TO 18 MONTHS AND UH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. AND UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY. MY KIDS, THEY PLAY SOCCER, THEY FACE SELECT TEAMS. WELL, DURING THE SEASON THERE'S NOTHING FOR THEM TO DO. AND ALL THEIR FRIENDS, THEY COME OVER AND PLAY SOCCER AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND WE CAN MAKE THIS JUST GO YEAR ROUND AND HAVE THE, THE FAMILIES AND KIDS AND, AND PEOPLE JUST COME OUT AND ENJOY THEMSELVES THERE, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES. THERE MIGHT BE SOME OVERLAP DURING SOME ELECTION TIMES IF THEY WERE GONNA BE OPEN UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS YESTERDAY WEEKEND THAT THE COUNTY HAVE TODAY. ANYTHING GOING. IT'S STRICTLY, UH, NONE PRIOR PLAN TO FORM. THIS IS ALL STAGES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN TO AGREE TO SOMEONE FOR A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE TO USE COUNTY PROPERTY. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S PERMISSIBLE. UH, BUT THIS IS A NON-PROFIT SITUATION TO HELP THE KIDS. THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME TOURNAMENTS AND STUFF ON THE WEEKENDS AND YOU KNOW, JUST TO HELP TAKE CARE OF THE LICENSE AND BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO YOU COULDN'T PUT IT DO WE HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON WHO CAN USE THE PARKING LOT OVER THERE ANYWAY? IT'S NEVER BEEN. I MEAN IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO TO SONIC, WHATEVER, THEY CAN PARK OVER THERE. WELL THE MAIN THING IS THAT YEAH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING. HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING. THE CITY PARKING, PARKING, WE DO THAT. YEAH. WE HAVE TO, I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A WRITTEN PROPOSAL SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE ENTITY THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH AND YOU KNOW THE TERMS OF, OF WHAT IT IS. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. IF IT'S A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL, YOU CAN'T BE SEEN AS ASSISTING A BUSINESS. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. SO THERE MAY BE SOME HOOPS FOR HIM TO JUMP THROUGH IN TERMS OF WHAT ENTITY IS GONNA COME FORWARD AND PROPOSE ON THIS. OKAY. AND AND THAT'S BE A CORPORATION OR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION? WELL, IT CAN'T BE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ENTITY TO CONTRACT WITH. THAT'S WHAT JOHN, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. FREDDY. NO, YOU SAID YOU HAVE A SELECT TEAM. MY, BOTH OF MY KIDS PLAY WITH THE SELECT TEAM. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A SELECT, IS THIS POSSIBLE, THIS, THIS IS ONLY PLANNING AREAS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TOGETHER AND SEE, OKAY, IS THIS FEASIBLE? WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? YOU KNOW, SO ON AND SO FORTH. UH, NOTHING'S SETTING STONE RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WE CAN WALK AWAY FROM HERE AND NOTHING BE, BE DONE. NO, I WAS JUST ASKING AS FAR AS WAS THE NON-PROFIT, WELL THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT. WE LOOKED AT OUR, CAN WE DO IT A, A NON-PROFIT AND STILL BE ABLE TO MAKE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THE BILLS, PAY FOR THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, THE LABOR AND THE LIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. BUT ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WAS THE PARKING ISSUE BECAUSE THE CITY REQUIRES SO MUCH PARKING AND IF WE HAD A SHERIFF AGREEMENT PARKING WITH, UH, THE COUNTY, UH, WITH THE, UH, BACK PARKING LOT OVER THERE AND IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING MAJOR. PROBABLY 35, 40 SPACES, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE EVENING TIME, LIKE FIVE 30 TO 9, 9 30 AND MAYBE SOME WEEKENDS EVERY WEEKEND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO HE NEEDS TO COME BACK, JUDGE WITH A PROPO A WRITTEN PROPOSAL. RIGHT. UH, WE KNOW THAT THE ENTITY, NOT JUST THAT IT'S YOU, BUT WHATEVER THE ENTITY IS, IF IT'S JUST YOU, THEN THE ANSWER WILL BE NO. YEAH. OR AND, AND THAT'S NO OFFENSE TO YOU, BUT IT'S JUST I SEE. YOU CAN'T ASK THEM TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN GET. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT THE ENTITY IS PROPER IN PROPOSAL, I GUESS ON THE INSURANCE AS WELL, BECAUSE THE LIABILITY IS GONNA BE THE CONCERN. YEAH, THE LIABILITY IS ALWAYS A CONCERN. UH, WELL IN THEORY, IF [00:30:01] EVERYTHING FALLS IN PLACE. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY HANGUP ABOUT AGREEING WITH HIM? UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. ALL LEGAL THINGS COME TOGETHER. FALLS IN PLACE. YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR ENTITY IS GONNA BE, HOW YOU'RE RUNNING IT, HOW YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT, AND THEN COME BACK WITH A WRITTEN PROPOSAL AND UH, YEAH, I THINK THIS DANIEL'S, LIKE I SAID, HE IS JUST NOW PUTTING, GETTING IT ALL YEAH. FAST AND KIND OF TESTING, STICK MY FOOT WATER, SEE HOW WARM THE WATER IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT JUMP INTO THIS THING THEN JUST, IT JUST ALL FALL APART. I WANT TO MAKE, SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, SEE WHAT Y'ALL GENTLEMEN TO SAY WHAT KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAID TO SEE WHAT KIND OF LOOP I HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH. YEAH. AND FOR A PROJECT THAT, UH, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE KIDS, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS LONG AS I PERSONAL PROFIT IN THERE AND IT'S JUST FOR THE KIDS. I DON'T THINK WE WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION TO IT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT IF THE STATUTE ALLOWS US TO DO IT. I THINK WE OUGHT IF JOHN, IF JOHN TAKES THE TIME AND RESEARCHES A LITTLE BIT AND FINDS OUT THAT WE CANNOT DO IT OKAY, THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. OKAY. AND I CHECK WITH THE STATE COFFEE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD TAKE. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY, YES SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, JESSE WADE, THAT'S ME. GOOD AFTERNOON GENTLEMEN. I ALMOST SAID GOOD MORNING, BUT , IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IT. I HAVEN'T EATEN . I'M HERE REPRESENTING NOT ONLY MYSELF, BUT ALSO ALSO CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS? OH, I'M SORRY. MY NAME'S RON . I LIVE IN 91 0 3 JESSE WAY, CRANDALL 7 5 1 1 4. AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT ALL THE HOMEOWNERS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE HAVE AN ISSUE OUT THERE WITH THE ROADS. UM, THERE'S THREE ROADS, UH, JESSE WAY, COURTNEY ROAD AND KELTON ROAD. AND APPARENTLY THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T TURN THE ROADS OVER TO THE COUNTY, SO THEY'RE CONSIDERED PRIVATE ROADS. SO NOBODY HAS MAINTAINED THESE ROADS FOR YEARS AND THEY'RE GETTING TO THIS POINT THAT THEY'RE DETERIORATING AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BECOMING DANGEROUS. AND PROBABLY IN A YEAR IN PARTS THERE WON'T BE A ROAD. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW SCHOOL BUSES OR AMBULANCES OR ANY TYPE OF VEHICLES INCLUDING OURSELVES, ARE GONNA GET INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO BASED ON SECTION 2 53, THE HOMEOWNERS IS SIGNED, THE PETITION TO VOTE AND ONCE AND FOR ALL TRIM ROADS OVER TO COUNTY ROAD. LET'S GET A LITTLE BACKGROUND HISTORY ON THIS RIGHT HERE. THERE WAS, THERE WAS TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT BASICALLY HAPPENED ABOUT THE SAME TIME. UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF 1 48. THEY WERE BOTH DONE EXACTLY THE SAME. THE COUNTY, UH, PRECINCT TWO SUPERVISED THE CONSTRUCTION ROAD. I MEAN THE ONE OUT THERE AND PUT 10 INCHES OF BANKS DOWN, HAD GUYS OUT THERE CORD IT, THE DOPE NINE YARDS. FOR SOME REASON THIS, THIS SUBDIVISION GOT ACCEPTED AS A COUNTY ROAD, ACCORDING TO OUR CHAPTER, OUR ROAD MAP, LIKE 2 58. THE ONE HE LIVES IN OVER THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, NEVER WAS ACCEPTED AS A COUNTY ROAD, WASN'T INCLUDED IN THAT MAP. THEY REALLY DIDN'T KNOW, UH, THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, UH, COME AND PROTEST THAT NON-INCLUSION IN THE MAP. PROBABLY THE DEVELOPER NEVER. SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SPEND ANY COUNTY MONEY TO IMPROVE ISRAEL. IT IS NOT PART OF OUR COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM. THIS CHAPTER TWO THREE MAP TO BECOME PART OF COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM. THEY WILL WHAT? AND, AND THE SHORT VERSION OF IT IS WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND MAKE A FINAL SET. I'LL GIVE 'EM A PRELIMINARY NUMBER, HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST PER LOT TO BRING THAT ROAD UP TO STANDARD. OKAY. UH, THEY WILL HAVE THEN THAT NUMBER WILL, WILL BE GOING AROUND AND WE'LL SEND THAT CERTIFIED LETTER TO ALL THEIR CODES. LIKE CODE BE THEY IN TURN WILL SEND THOSE LETTERS BACK IN VOTE, WHETHER THEY WANT TO BE ASSESSED ON THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT OR NOT. UH, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT CAN BE LEANED AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY AND IT TAKES 51, TAKES A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE, AND I BELIEVE YOU GOT SIGNATURES FOR MORE THAN 51% OF THE VOTERS OUT THERE HIGHLY INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. STOP FINALIZING IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY GIVEN A FINAL NUMBER YET BY WHO WE HAVE TO THAT WAS MY CONCERN. MAKE SURE IT BROUGHT UP TO THE COUNTY STANDARDS BEFORE YOU ACCEPT IT. RIGHT. THAT'S IN OUR, WELL WHAT WE'LL DO IS, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS AND THEN WE'LL SET, ASSESS THAT DOLLAR DOWN PER LOT ON THE HOMES OUT THERE. AND THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, IT BECOMES [00:35:01] A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD. AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD TO START WITH, BUT LIKE IT FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS FROM SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, THE DEVELOPER DID BOTH SUBDIVISIONS AT THE SAME TIME. AND LIKE I SAY, FOR SOME REASON THIS ONE GOT, THIS ONE DID NOT. YOU THINK HE GOT A BOND ON BOTH OF THEM AND ALL THAT. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DURING THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD, YOU'RE WAITING ON THAT BOND TO, TO TAKE EFFECT THAT THINGS HAPPEN. I THINK, I THINK THE PERSONALITY , BUT I DUNNO THAT FOR A FACT. IMAGINE DID YOU SUSPECT TO TO THE HOMEOWNERS. HOMEOWNERS. SO THEY, THEY PAY YOU INDIVIDUALLY. THEY CAN PAY INDIVIDUALLY. UH, THEY CAN, I THINK IS ANY PRODUCT PROVISION IN THERE THEY CAN MAKE THEY PAY PART IF THEY WANT TAKE OR WHEN THE PROPERTY SELLS, THE COUNTY GETS PAID BACK. THIS CODE IS VERY ONLY TO A TAX LANE OR A, UH, FIRST MORTGAGE. DOES IT HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT? I MEAN, DOES EVERYBODY OUT THERE HAVE 54%, 51 MAJORITY AND I HAVE, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERY HOMEOWNER NOW I DON'T HAVE, THERE'S PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE THAT I DON'T KNOW THEY, BUT I GOT OVER WAY OVER 51. THERE'S LOTS OUT THERE IN THE LOCKER ROOM. UH, PROBABLY WE'RE SOME BY A BANK AND I'M SURE THAT THE BANK WOULD, UH, YEAH, PROPERTY VALUE SELL PROPERTY, YOU COULD AT LEAST IT BRING UP YOUR RESALE VALUE. THE COST OF THE LIEN OR, AND THERE'S SOME PROCEDURES, PUBLIC NOTICE, PUBLIC HEARING. OH, THERE'S A LOT OF PROCEDURES WE TALK. I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO BRING THIS UP AND ALSO LET RON COME BY AND KNOW WE DON'T WANT GO. I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T WANNA GO THROUGH THIS PROCEDURE IF WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING PASS. HE'S SURE THAT HE'S GOT OVER A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HIGHLY INTERESTED IN DOING THIS. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THE SENATE THAT CERTIFIED LETTERS ALL NIGHT YARD. IF THEY'RE GOING SAY NO, I HAVE THE SIGNATURE, MY ADDRESS. CORRECT. THAT'S A, I LOOKED THAT UP. THAT'S QUAIL RUN CROSSING. IS THAT WHAT THEY CALL CORRECT. YES. MM-HMM . HERE'S A MAP OF IT. IF YEAH, I I LOOK AT IT AND IT'S GOT ALL THE, THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S, THAT'S NECESSARY TO START WITH. IT WAS DONE AT THAT TIME, ACCORDING TO WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, IT JUST, IT FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS. SOMETHING HAPPENED TO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF FORM MY TIME THAT WAS SET RIGHT HERE BEFORE MY TIME. SO IT JUST SAYS MAJORITY, RIGHT, 51%. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO OUT THERE AND WORK ON DO ANYTHING ON THE ROAD BECAUSE SYSTEM, THIS WOULD PUT THE SYSTEM AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY THEY PAY FOR THE SYSTEM. HOW MANY MILES OVER MILE TAKE 303, 3 58. I'M NOT, EXCUSE ME, THERE'S THREE LITTLE STREETS. IT'S WHICH ONE? YES, YOU KELTON ON THE END, COURTNEY, BUT EACH NORTH AND SOUTH EAST WEST HAS GOT A NAME ON IT INSTEAD OF JUST YEAH, INSTEAD OF JESSE CIRCLE. SHOULD HAVE BEEN. YEAH, THAT'S, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THERE WAS A KELTON, ANOTHER ROAD DOWN THERE CALLED KELTON ROAD. I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL COURTNEY ROAD AND THEN JESSE WADE WAS A STRAIGHT ROAD. BUT WITH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A COURT ACTION ON, ON THIS OR NOT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD, PURSUE THIS. UH, AND I GUESS, LORD, THIS GOES, THE STATUTE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE COUNTY CLERK HAS TO DO THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER. YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE ONE. SO YOU START STUDY. THANK YOU. THEY'RE GONNA BE, IF YOU'RE GONNA ACCEPT THE ROAD, COUNTY OF ROAD, IT HAS TO GO COURT. COURT. RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD ACCEPT. RIGHT. BUT THEY DO TO GO THROUGH THIS CHAPTER 2 53 PROCESS, UH, TO GET THE ELECTION, THE ELECTION BEING CERTIFIED LETTERS TO THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, PROPERTY. AND IF THEY TURN IT DOWN THERE, STATUTE SAYS IN THERE THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT AGAIN FOR FOUR YEARS. FOUR, FOUR YEARS. YEAH. FOR FOUR YEARS. WHAT'S ONE REASON WHY I WANTED TO YEAH. HIM TO ASSURE ME THAT THEY WANT TO DO THIS. YEAH. I WENT TO EVERY HOMEOWNER AND THEY ASSURED ME THEY WERE ON BOARD AND I EXPLAINED TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE PAYMENT OR, OR YOU'D HAVE A LIEN ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THEN ONCE YOU SOLD YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CLEAR THE LINK, CLEAN IT, CLEAR THE COOL. WOULD THAT JUST BE ADDED TO THEIR TAXES THEN? NO, NO. SEPARATE. IT WOULD BE SEPARATE. AND THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION THAT IT WOULD NOT ACCRUE INTEREST, WHICH IS ONLINE TAXES, CRUISE INTEREST. I HADN'T SEEN THAT BEFORE. THAT'S INTERESTING. IS THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THEY HAVE TO PAY IT BACK THE PROPERTY A YEAR, [00:40:01] 50 YEARS? IT'S A WAY. UH, IT IS JUST A ANOTHER, UH, TOOL. WE'VE GOT TO TRY TO, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. TRY TO HELP SOMETHING. I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT IT DOESN'T COME OUT THE, IT DOESN'T COME OUTTA TAX'S POCKET. THIS THIS COMMISSION. YEAH, THAT'S, I SAID WE DO THAT. I CAN, I THINK POINT WAS JUST PERMISSION TO PROCEED. PURSUE THAT, THAT COURSE OF ACTION. YES, SIR. AND ALL THE DETAILS, UH, WILL BE WORKED OUT AT LATER TIME. MM-HMM . WELL THESE PRETTY MUCH SUPPORTED THAT. AND YOU HAVE TO GO BY MONTHLY AND COLLECT THAT MONEY FROM . YEAH. YEAH, HE DOES. WE WE DON'T, WE DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING. THAT'S MY RULE. MR. CLARK WILL MAKE THAT MOTION AND MR. LER WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARES. THANK YOU. YOU NEED A COPY OF THIS? NO, I MADE A COPY. OKAY. DO I HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ANY FURTHER? NO BALL'S IN MY COURT NOW. I'LL GET, UH, WE'LL DO THE PAPERWORK, GET THE EXACT BOTTLE MAP DOWN AND THEN I'LL, I'LL LET YOU NOTIFY. I'LL LET YOU BE RIGHT AFTER. SURE. EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD. ALL RIGHT. AND AS SOON AS YOU GET UP TO THAT POINT, WE'RE GONNA SEND OUT BALLOTS. LET ME KNOW AND I'LL CALL EVERYBODY. SO THEY'RE OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK. YES SIR. YOU PICKED BAD. OKAY. SHERIFF HAD TO LEAVE TO GO TO A MEETING, BUT, UH, HE'S GOT THE NEXT ITEM. AND, UH, HE SAID THERE'S NO COUNTY PARTICIPATION, NO FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY. UH, IT'S JUST, UH, A GRANT THAT HE WANTS TO APPLY FOR. AND WHEN YOU TELL ME THERE WAS NO PARTICIPATION FROM THE COUNTY AND I TOLD HIM I THOUGHT IT WOULD PASS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM. SO COMMISSIONER MAKES THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECOND. IT ALL, AYE, A MOTION CARRIES. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO UNDER THE SAME. SAME BRANCH. SAME DEAL. PROGRAM. SAME. UH, THERE AGAIN, THERE'S NO, UH, LOCAL PARTICIPATION AND COMMISSIONER DULLER MAKES THE MOTION. SECOND. COMMISSIONER ROUND WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION TO CARRY. THERE WERE THREE GRANTS AND THE NEXT ONE IS ANOTHER, UH, UH, APPLICATION FOR THE COPS HIRING PROGRAM. IT'S SAME THING. THERE'S NO ATION FOR THE COUNTY. COMMISSIONER DOLLAR MAKES A MOTION. COMMISSIONER JACKSON. SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE'LL DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPLYING FOR A PASS THROUGH FINANCING PROJECT WITH COMMISSIONER. DID I MISS ONE? YEAH. THI LIKE JACK. JACK. YEAH, JACK HAD ONE ON THERE. JACK TURNER. OH, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. YES, SIR. OKAY, WELL THAT'S DISCUSSED. CONSIDER DECLARING TEXAS INDUSTRY INDUSTRY DX I IS A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR FOR THE PURCHASE OF LINE WEIGHT AGGREGATES PER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 62 0 2 4. DISCRETION DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION. YES, SIR. UH, JIM, WE WERE UTILIZING A, UH, UH, TECH STOCK CONTRACT IN THE PAST FOR THAT, UH, LOT AGGREGATE AND THAT THAT HAS PLAYED OUT. AND, UH, OUR OPTIONS WOULD BE TO REBID OR, OR US TO BID OUT OR UTILIZE THE NEWED TEXAS CONTRACT. UH, MY FEELINGS ARE THAT IT'S THE SOLE SOURCE, UH, ITEM. I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER FROM TXI INDICATING THERE SOLE PROVIDER FOR THAT PRODUCT. UH, LITTLE BACKGROUND. UM, THIS PARTICULAR PRICE THAT YOU'VE GOT A QUOTE ATTACHED TO THAT FOR THE NEW PRICING THAT IS ACTUALLY CHEAPER THAN WHAT, WHAT WE WERE PAYING IN THE PAST AND THE NEW STATE OF TEXAS CONTRACT, [00:45:01] UH, THAT'S ON TEXAS SMART BUY AND THERE'S A 1.5% CHARGE TO, TO THE VENDOR, UH, TO BE A PART OF THAT PROGRAM, WHICH ULTIMATELY INCREASES OUR PRICE. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, IF WE WERE DECLARE SOME PRICE LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW AND IF WE UTILIZE THE NEW STATE TEXAS CONTRACT, IT WOULD BE HIGHER TAKEN OUT. SO, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO DECLARE THAT A SOLE SOURCE AND WOULD CONTRACT WITH, UH, TDOT, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE STATE CONTRACT IS SO HIGH. UH, IT'S OUT THERE, OUT THERE NOW BECAUSE TWO YEAR CONTRACT YOU TRY TO GUARANTEE TWO HAVE TO INCREASE PRICES, I THINK IS THE BEST INTEREST UTILIZE. SO SOURCE THEIR MONEY. YOU HEARD THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, MOTION COMMISSIONER CLARK IT ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION. CARRIE. DIFFERENT, A LITTLE BIT, LITTLE DEEPER BEFORE PLACE WORTH LOOKING INTO. NOW CAN WE DISCUSS THE PASTURE FINANCING? YES. YES SIR. COLOR SHEET RIGHT THERE. I'LL JUST GO THROUGH A REAL QUICK SCENARIO. WHAT PASTURE FINANCING IS? UH, FINANCING IS WHERE AN ENTITY BEING CITY, COUNTY OR SOME OTHER, UH, EVEN PRIVATE PEOPLE CAN BUILD A ROAD. TEXAS ROAD TODAY AND THE STATE OF TEXAS WILL TURN AROUND AND GIVE YOU, PAY YOU BACK BY THE MEMBER OF CARS PASTURE BASED ON TRAFFIC COUNTS. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY FLORIDA DID OVER THERE WITH UH, THEIR, UH, WALMART 5 48 DRIVE AND TWO FM ROAD DUN, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE THAT'VE DONE IN THE DALLAS DISTRICT. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING ONE HERE IN, UH, IN KALIN WITH THE COUNTY BEING THE, THE DEVOTE THE LEAD ENTITY IN THE BANK. WHAT IT WOULD DO, UH, IT WOULD, UH, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE RTR PROCESS HERE, WHICH WAS PRETTY PAINFUL TO, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS AGO WE COULDN'T EVEN SPELL R RT. THAT'S RIGHT. MY GOAL AT THAT TIME WAS BUILD TWO BRIDGES, BUILD A BRIDGE POINT, BUILD A BRIDGE INTERNAL. WELL THIS IS GONNA ALLOW US TO EXPAND THAT TO ME, THOSE TWO GOES. PLUS BUILD A BRIDGE WITH COFFMAN THAT'LL MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. IT'LL MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. UH, IT'S GONNA BE A FOUR OR FIVE WAY AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF KAUFMAN, THE CITY OF TER KAUFMAN COUNTY CAPITAL GOVERNMENTS AND TDO. OKAY. A HIGHLY UNUSUAL, UH, SCENARIO. THIS THING IS THAT WHEN YOU GET, WHEN YOU DO YOUR PASS, YOU TOLL OR PASS YOUR FINANCE AGREEMENT IS YOU'RE PAID BACK ON THE SIGNIFICANCE OF YOUR PROJECT TO THE AREA. IF YOU'RE A, IF YOU'RE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY, YOU GET PAID BACK A HUNDRED PERCENT. IF YOU'RE STATE HIGHWAY, THAT'S LIKE 90% REGIONAL PAY OF 80% IN LOCAL LOCAL PROJECT, GET A 70% PAID BACK. WE ARE GONNA NEGOTIATE AGREEMENT TO THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENT. SO THE COUNTY'S GOING TO GET PAID BACK 100% OF THE MONEY PUT IN THAT PROJECT. THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE HICKEY ON WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THE AGREEMENT COMES BACK. WHAT'S THE TIME ON THAT PAYBACK? IS THAT, CAN THAT BE 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS OR IT WELL, NO, IT DEPENDS. YOU, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S NEGOTIATING THE AGREEMENT. IT JUST COMES BACK WHEN WE TALKED TO 'EM, WE TOLD 'EM THAT DAY BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GO BEYOND THE SEVEN YEARS IF WE DID A, A TAX DUMP PLAN AND WE'D HAVE GET PAID BACK WITHIN SEVEN YEARS AND THAT WAS OKAY. SO THAT'S AS PART OF WE'LL ABLE TO GO OUT . MY CONCERN WAS WHETHER NOT THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH TRAFFIC GENERATED THAT WE WOULD GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY TO RETIRE THE, UH, THE PASS THROUGH FINANCING TOOL THAT WE USED. BUT TO SOLVE HIS DILEMMA ON THAT ONE, WE'RE GONNA GET PAID BACK A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT. YEAH. BUT FIRST WE'LL BE THE FIRST LIEN HOLDER ON THIS THING AND WE'LL GET PAID BACK. HUNDRED PERCENT NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. ALL THIS IS GREAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CAPITAL GOVERNMENTS AGREED TO. THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS WAS REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO HELP US GET SOME THINGS DONE. AND WE STARTED OFF, THAT WAS BEFORE WE SPELL TR, THERE WAS $12 MILLION COMING IN KAUFMAN COUNTY. NOW THERE'S $29.1 MILLION DOWN HERE AND THAT $29 MILLION PLUS I'D HAVE TO GIVE A BIG CREDIT THE CITY OF KAUFMAN FOR STEPPING UP. OH, OKAY. CITY KAUFMAN HAS STEPPED UP AND WAS LISTING BACK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME SKIN AND GAME. IF YOU WANNA GET SOMETHING JOY PROTECT, DO IT. WAIT 10 OR 15 YEARS OR A CASE THAT'S LIFTED WITHOUT COFFIN. 30 YEARS, 35 OR 40 IT BEEN DONE YET. YEAH. THIS, THIS WILL GET THAT PROJECT DONE AND WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS AS YET BECAUSE WE'RE OKAY, LET'S SAY $10 MILLION. [00:50:01] WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. THE 10 MILLION DIFFERENT FROM THE COUNTY I THINK SAYS GONNA BE IN 15 MILLION PROJECT, BUT IT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO BUILD ALMOST $70 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS ACROSS COMAN COUNTY AND COMPLETE THE ONE IN MATERIAL. COMPLETE THE ONE IN COMPLETE ONE. ALL WE'RE GONNA DO RIGHT NOW IS PUT THIS APPLICATION TOGETHER AND THIS ACTION WE GOT TODAY IS JUST TO NOT GONNA KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TERM IS GONNA BE UNTIL WE GET IT AND MICHAEL IS GONNA BE ONE HEADING THE PUTTING THE APPLICATION TOGETHER. WELL ACTUALLY IT'S GONNA BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT, UH, SO JAY NELSON HAS, JAY NELSON HAD AGREED TO DO THE CITY CONFERENCE FOR FREE, UH, WITH, WITH HOPEFULLY GETTING SOME OF THE FUTURE WORK THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT PROGRAM. UH, I MADE, I MADE HIM MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO US. HE'S GONNA DO THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY COMPANY TOWARDS THE COUNTY WILL BE THE, IN THE LEAD ON THIS THING. THAT'S WHAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT FOR THE CITY, KAMAN FOR FREE, DO ONE FOR THE COUNTY. AND THEY SAID YES WENT, BECAUSE AT ONE TIME WE WERE GOING DO THE COUNTY, DO THE CITY CHAIR SEPARATELY FROM THE CITY COLLEGE. OF COURSE WE'D BE COMPETING FOR THE SAME GRANT WE DID. THAT ONE, ONE WOULD GET ONE WOOD BECAUSE THE ONLY 300 MILLION. SO THIS WOULD BE SO, SO WE WANT THE T WANT TO COME COMBINE AND BOTH DRIVE DECK FROM DRIVE ACCIDENT AND THE TURTLE PROJECT ONE CARRY A LOT MORE WEIGHT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT LOT MORE. PLUS YOU GOT THIS FIVE PARTNERSHIP. THAT'S UNHEARD OF AND IT'S A UNIQUE SCENARIO. BUT ANOTHER, HUH? WELL WE HAD A FIRST TIP. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS TO JUST THE APPLICATION, ALLOW THE JUDGE ALLOW THE JUDGE TO SIGN THE APPLICATION WHEN WE GET IT DONE. WHO IS THAT THE ONE TO SEE THE PICTURE THAT Y'ALL SEE THIS, THIS IS THE JUDGE. TALK ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS. YEAH. HOW LONG IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS STATE LACKS PROPOSAL ON STATE HIGHWAY 34. TERRELL TRIBUNE. TERRELL, TEXAS, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, 1978. OKAY. UH, GAS RUSHING HITS TER. OKAY. BUT FUNDING IS A KEY TO THE PLAN. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THEN THE ARTICLE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE REST OF THE ARTICLE IS, BUT HERE'S THE PICTURE. UH, THIS IS THE COMMISSION THAT, UH, HIS NAME WAS HENDERSON. HE WAS THE CITY MANAGER OF MATERIAL AT THE TIME. AND THIS IS THE CONGREGATION. THERE'S PAT BAKER THERE IN CASE Y'ALL REMEMBER PAT, BUT THERE'S THE COUNTY JUDGE SITTING RIGHT THERE. SO I HAVE PROOF THAT I'VE BEEN SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT SINCE 78. SINCE 78. THEY'RE A DARKER NURSE AND A LOT OF IT. OKAY, SO RAY, IF YOU, IF WE, WE'LL DO ALL THREE PROJECTS, ACTUALLY WHAT IT'LL DO, WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE FINANCING THE, UH, THE TAROT PROJECT. PROJECT. OH, OKAY. THOSE TWO, THE FOREIGN PROJECT, IT FREES UP THE RTR MONEY FOR THE FARM PROJECT PLUS, PLUS SOME OTHER THINGS AROUND. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT MONEY DOESN'T HAVE ANY STRENGTHS ON IT. SO THAT MONEY WOULD, THAT MONEY COULD ALL BE PUT TOGETHER AND PUT THE FOREIGN AND UH, AND FAR AS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A $9 MILLION COMMITMENT FROM THE FIVE OVER THERE AND THEN THEY ONE TOGETHER 12 $15 MILLION. SO THEIR OWN MONEY OF THAT PROJECT. THAT'S COOL. NUMBER ONE WHO'S GONNA DO THE ENGINEERING IS TECH GOT GONNA DO THE WORK ENGINEERING ENGINEERING HIGHWAY 34 PROJECT MATERIAL. ALL ENGINEERING IS THE ONLY THING, WE ONLY THING WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. ALL WE'LL HAVE TO BE DONE TO THE CO WHATEVER IN THE PUMPING PROJECT. YES. WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING ALL THAT DONE. THE ENGINEERING WITH THEIR MONEY, WE'RE ONLY PUTTING, WE'RE ONLY FOOTING THE CONSTRUCTION PART, THE ENGINEERING INSPECTION, THE FINANCING, THE UH, QUALITY CONTROL IS ALL DONE BY OUTSIDE PEOPLE IN HIGHWAY 34 PROJECT MATERIAL. I ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL ALL AGREE ON THIS SINCE, SINCE, UH, TECHNOLOGY'S ALREADY DONE ALL THAT. BUT TEXT DONE ALL THEY NEED IS THE MONEY BUILD. OH YEAH. I MEAN THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ALL THAT TYPE OF, ALL PROJECT IS YET TO STILL KIND OF A, DURING ITS INCEPTION A LITTLE BIT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, IT'LL GO FROM STAGE ONE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT STILL GO THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS, THE ENGINEERING, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE WHOLE YARD. AND SO YES, WE WOULD, WE [00:55:01] WOULD, AND I I WOULD SUGGEST PIECE THOSE OUT WHERE WE HIRE ONE FIRM TO DO ENGINEERING WITH THE, WITH THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT'S MONEY. WE'LL HIRE ONE FIRM TO DO THE, UH, INSPECTION. IS TECH NOT GONNA BE CHEAPER TO DO THE INSPECTION AND UH, CONSTRUCTION TESTING THEN A PRIVATE FIRM? LET'S LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND SEE THROUGH RQS OR WHATEVER. BUT MORE LIKELY THERE'S SOME THINGS IN TEXTILE WILL TELL US THAT WE CAN DO THIS CHEAPER THAN THE PRIVATE PEOPLE CAN. AND TEXTILE WILL TELL YOU THE PRIVATE PEOPLE CAN DO THIS A LOT CHEAPER THAN WE CAN AND DO IT FASTER AND DO IT BETTER. ALRIGHT. I'M THIS PROJECT LIKE THIRD FOUR HERE AND THIRD FOUR IN GENERAL. THEY'RE BOTH INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS MM-HMM . AND COUNTY WILL TAKE THE LEAD. YES. IN BUREAU TOO. CORRECT. OKAY. WELL I, I, BECAUSE THE STATE HIGHWAY, OH, THAT'S HOW TO GET IT RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S A STATE HIGHWAY PROJECT. I US TO WORK ON BOTH OF THEM, BUT WELL, WE'RE NOT WORKING ON IT. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. WELL, ENGINEERING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO RUN IT. SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO MANAGE IT. RIGHT. BE CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS INVOLVED. THAT'D BE AN OUTSIDE THING. THE THING WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE IS CONSTRUCTION MONEY, THE ACTUAL BUILDING UP, BUT THEN YEAH, THE TECH STOCK PUT IT OUT. DON'T, THAT'S WHAT, OKAY. SEE YOU, ME, ME. BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT'S ALL WE WERE GOING BE RESPONSIBLE IS JUST GETTING MONEY THERE. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING BE INVOLVED IN GETTING THEM PURCHASING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND ALL OF THAT. WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD, UH, DO LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, JUST LIKE WOULD DID WE'D HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO THAT. MEAN WE WOULD OR WE WOULD, BUT, BUT NOT WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION MONEY. WHAT WE DO, WE WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF SPENDING THE COG MONEY AND THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN, IN NEGOTIATIONS ON EVERYTHING. ALSO, WE WILL BE PURCHASING RIGHT AWAY FOR A CALL. GERALD ALREADY HAVE EVERY RIGHT AWAY BEEN PURCHASED. WE'RE NOT, WELL IT'S A STATE WE'RE, WHEN I SAY WE'RE GONNA BE PURCHASED, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE, UH, GENERAL MANAGER OWNER, HOWEVER YOU WANT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT, IT'S GONNA BE A FULL-TIME JOB. YOU KNOW THAT. OH YEAH. BUT WHAT THEY DO, THE CITY POINT DID THIS. THEY'RE NOT GOOD AT THEIR SELF. THEY HIRED AN OUTSIDE FIRM COME AND DO ALL THESE PIECES OF THE MISTAKE THE CITY PARTY MADE LOOKED TO ME LIKE WAS THEY HIRED ONE FIRM TO DO EVERYTHING WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD, THEY SHOULD HAVE BROKEN THAT CONTRACT DOWN. LIKE I SAY FROM CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION, MANAGEMENT, QUALITY CONTROL, INSPECTION, TESTING, ENGINEERING, ALL THAT KIND SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT WAY. YOU'D PROBABLY GET THE BEST DEAL. THAT'S WHAT TECH DOT SAYS IS IS THE PROPER WAY TO GO ON. AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANOTHER ONE LIKE THEY DID OVER IN PARTY ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY MADE SOME MISTAKES OVER THERE. SO I SOME MISTAKES THEY TECH DO. UH, WASN'T MY OFFICE SIT. THEY HAD A CHANCE TO DO ONE AGAIN, DO ONE AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE FIRST ONE THEY KNEW WHAT NOT TO DO THE NEXT TIME. BUT AS FAR AS OUR RESPONSIBILITY IN, THEY SAID WE, WE'D GET THE MONEY TO GET FROM THE CALL. WELL THEN WE WOULD NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENT. WE GET THE MONEY BACK AND THE AGREEMENT THAT WE GOT SO FAR WITH 'EM IS WE'LL GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR MONEY BACK INSTEAD OF GARY. WOW. KAUFMAN WILL BE SECOND. I GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR MONEY BACK. COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS GOING BE, IS GOING TAKE THAT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT BACK. IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY IN 80% RANGE THAT THEY WOULD GET BACK IN BECAUSE THIS $300 MILLION PROGRAM IS AFTER. UH, THAT'S WHY TE WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND TIE BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER. SO THEY GET A BOAT BILL AND THEN THAT FREES UP THAT OTHER MONEY TO RTC TO COME. HE DIDN'T KIND OF LIKE THREE PROJECTS OUT OF THIS THING. OKAY. THIS SOUNDS GOOD. YOU MORE, MORE PLACE FOR THIS WHERE I CAN READ ABOUT, I'LL GET YOU THIS RIGHT HERE, MR. JIM. THIS IS THE DEAL. I HAVE TIME TO COPY IT ALL. I JUST, YEAH, I JUST WANNA READ SOMETHING. IT SOUNDS SO GOOD THAT THE MONEY THAT'S ALREADY WELL THE KICK IS WE GOTTA PUT THE MONEY UP FRONT FIRST. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE GOTTA COME UP WITH ABOUT 10 MILLION EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING GET IT PAID BACK, WE STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH 10 MILLION UP FRONT. RIGHT. AND FOR THAT 10 MILLION, YOU'RE GONNA GET A $30 MILLION PROJECT, 40 MILLION PROJECT THROUGH [01:00:01] 45, 40 PARKWAY. I THINK IT'S ABOUT 70 MILLION WORTH. OKAY. AND THEN HOPEFULLY EACH PROJECT IS GONNA BRING IN MORE TAX REVENUE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOWN INLAND AND AROUND THERE. AND ONE POINT ALSO, IT'LL BRING IN MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR US THAT OFFSET. BUT THE MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO COME FROM THE UH, PASS THROUGH, I MEAN FROM THE CARS THAT ACTUALLY USE IT, WE GET IT REIMBURSED. YEAH. ACCORDING TO THE NUMBER OF CARS. THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE UH, IT'S A LOT CONFUSION. THE BRIDGE, THE BRIDGE COMING OVER TO KAMAN THAT ALL THE REST OF THAT WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLETED. WELL, I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT JUST THE BRIDGE. OKAY. IT'S THE WHOLE THING IN, IN ALL THREE SCENARIOS. OKAY. IT'S CONNECTING ROAD, IT'S THE WHOLE THING. NOW THE PARKWAY POINT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM 5 48 TO EIGHT MAYBE 1641, THE INTERNAL IS TO THE BRIDGE. AND THEN FROM THE BRIDGE OVER TO AIRPORT ROAD DOWN 34. AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS GONNA GO FROM 1 75 YEAH. TO, UH, 2 43 DOWN HERE. RIGHT. THAT'S THE FIRST SECTION. YEAH. WE, WE WERE TRYING TO INCLUDE THE OTHER SECTION THAT OVER THERE. YEAH. IT WAS JUST TOO MUCH MONEY. COULDN'T GET ENOUGH MONEY AT ALL. UH, IT WAS TOO MUCH MONEY. OKAY. THEN IS THE COUNTY PAID, ARE WE PAID BACK THEN FROM THE PARTICIPATION FROM ALL THREE PROJECTS OR JUST WELL, THE ONE POINT NOT GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT YEAH, IT'S JUST GONNA BE TERRIBLE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE COUNTED. WHAT THEY DO THOUGH, THEY'LL COME AFTER ONCE A YEAR. CHECK DOES COME AFTER AND COUNT THE NUMBER OF CARS GO DOWN ROAD. OKAY. AND YOU'RE REIMBURSED ON A PERCENTAGE. I MEAN, ON THE NUMBER OF CARS WE HAVE, THE MORE CARS THAT USE IT, THE MORE MONEY YOU GET BACK. OKAY. YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK REGARDLESS. OH, EVEN THE TRAFFIC. NOT IF, IF THERE'S ONE CAR, YOU'RE GOING THERE FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT GETTING MUCH MONEY. OKAY. BUT IF THERE'S A MILLION CARS GOING DOWN THE FIRST, YOU MAY GET ALL OF IT BACK. OKAY. BUT YOU ARE GONNA GET THE REST OF IT. EVEN WE WE'RE GONNA AGREEMENT WORKED THAT WITH MICHAEL OVER THERE. SO WE'RE GONNA BE GET ALL OF OUR MONEY BACK HUNDRED PERCENT WITHIN THAT SEVEN YEARS OR I TOLD 'EM SEVEN YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO, UH, FIRST OF ALL THIS, THIS APPLICATION IS JUST TO SEE IF WE GET THE MOST CONTACT. SURE. THIS IS, LET'S GET IT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL WORK THE DETAILS OUT ON IT. AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CONTRACTION OBLIGATED TO FIND THIS MONEY AFTER WE GET, AFTER WE GET IT, AFTER WE GET APPROVED. IF, IF THEY APPROVE OUR APPLICATION, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. WE JUST LOOK LIKE TOOLS. WE, WE WOULDN'T DO IT LIKE AGAIN. AND, AND THE REASON THE SEVEN YEARS IS BECAUSE IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO USE TAX ANTICIPATION NOTES, WHICH HAVE TO BE RETIRED IN THE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD. WHAT IS THERE A, IS THERE SOME KIND OF TIME LIMIT ON THIS THING? JUST THE WINDOW START. IT HAS TO BE DONE. THIS HAS TO BE DONE. REASON THIS HAS TO BE SENT TO AUSTIN BY MAY 11TH. YES. OKAY. WHICH IS THE WEEK AFTER THAT. AND THEN JUDGE, YOU'VE GOT THE, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED ON YEAH. . THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BACK WHAT THEY WILL DO ACCORDING TO THE LAW. OF COURSE IT COULD ALL, COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PLACES. 90 DAYS AFTER THEY GET APPLICATION, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A, UH, A DETERMINATION. OKAY. SO WE WOULD GO BY THIS, UH, SEPTEMBER, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER. WHETHER WE WERE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. THEN WE WOULD, OUR NEGOTIATION NEGOTIATIONS COULD TAKE A YEAR OR SO TOO. YEAH. UH, GET ALL THE LEGAL STUFF DOWN. WE ARE THE PERSON GET PAID BACK. WE CAN GET HUNDRED PERCENT. WELL I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND LEAST PURSUE IT AND SEE, SEE WHAT COMES BACK AND YOU KNOW, GO FROM THERE. SO YOU'LL SECOND RAISE MOTION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CLARK MAKES A MOTION. COMMISSIONER SECOND IT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? SO, AYE. A A MOTION CARRIED. IF I DID SECOND A JUDGE, I'D HAVE TO MOVE OUT A CALL. BRUCE. JERRY HAD RAISE DOWN HERE, SIR. WHAT'S THAT? A BRIDGE OVER THERE THAT, YEAH. OKAY. THAT BRINGS US DOWN TO, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER GIVING THE CITY OF COMBINE A NINE DAY NOTICE OF TERMINATION OF THE EMERGENCY AID. AGREE IN THE CITY OF COMBINE AND KAUFMAN COUNTY. ME. OKAY. UH, THIS AGREEMENT WAS WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF COMBINE, UH, 2007. UH, AS THE SHERIFF ALLUDED TO LAST WEEK, THERE'S A LOT OF INTERNAL PROBLEMS IN THE CITY. UH, THEY REFUSED TO PAY THE BILL [01:05:01] OF DOING, UH, AND I, UH, PERFORMED THIS WORK. IT WAS PRESIDENT'S DAY WITH THE SNOW AND ICE AND EVERYTHING, ALL THE LIMBS WERE DOWN. I DON'T MIND WORKING WITH THE CITY. UH, I FEEL SORRY FOR THE CITIZENS. UM, AS THE SHERIFF ALLUDED TO, THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS IN THE, IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT. UM, BUT WHEN THEY START CALLING AND HARASSING COUNTY EMPLOYEES, AUDITOR, TREASURER, AND ANGIE, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, PULL OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE OFFER, UH, GIVE THE CITY OF COMBINE AND I THINK THAT THE TERMINOLOGY IS CITY OF COMBINE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR OF CO COUNTY, UH, A 90 DAY NOTICE ON TERMINATION OF EMERGENCY AID AGREEMENT. THIS WILL NOT AFFECT, IF YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF THIS, THE SECOND PAGE IS A 90 DAY NOTICE. RAMIFICATION. MM-HMM . UM, THIS WILL NOT AFFECT KATHY MORRIS AND HER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THINGS WITH ISSUES WITH, UH, COMBINE DURING AN EMERGENCY. SO DURING, DURING AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY, I, I, THE COUNTY ORIGINALLY FOUR BELONG TO THE COUNTY JUDGE OR THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. UH, THIS COMBINE IS THE ONLY CITY THAT HAD THAT. I HAVE THIS WITH, I HAVE MANY, MANY SMALL CITIES, UH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SHOW. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHAINSAW. UH, SO I FIGURED THEY NEED IT. UH, BUT THEY REALLY ABUSED IT. AND WHEN THEY STARTED USING THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES, I THINK THAT'S TO GET OUT. AND, UH, IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? COMMISSIONER ROUND WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIED LETTER. DO YOU SIGN IT? YEAH. OKAY. UH, NEXT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, CONTRACT FOR INTERNET RENEWALS. NO, JUDGE. THAT'S THE RIGHT ONE. THAT'S RIGHT. ONE. RENEWALS. UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UH, MR. MURPHY HAD PRESENTED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. WE WANT TO DO THIS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, THERE'S NO COST, UH, TO THE COUNTY. TWO, THERE'S NO ADDED LIABILITY AND FREE, UH, THEY CURRENTLY DO INTERNET RENEWALS WITHOUT A CONTRACT. THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS SAID THE CONTRACT NEEDS TO BE SIGNED, I GUESS, SO THAT THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, THIRD PARTY VENDOR CAN CAPTURE THE NUMBERS FOR OUR COUNTY BETTER. AND IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEN WE'LL LOSE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS, UH, INTERNET RENEWALS, VEHICLE REGISTRATION. AND SO, AND, AND REVIEWING THAT AND SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T ADD ANY COST TO LIABILITY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ASK MR. MURPHY TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT FOR YEARS WITHOUT IT, BUT THAT THEY WERE, APPARENTLY IT WAS THE STATE WAS DOING IT THAT OCCURRED. SOMEONE, I SEEN A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON UP THERE. DIDN'T QUITE GET IT. UH, THEN WE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ACTUALLY A RENEWING A CONTRACT OR WELL, IT'S, IT, IT'S SIGNING, IT'S, THE RELATIONSHIP HAS EXISTED. BUT AS I DELVED INTO IT, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PRIOR CONTRACT AND WE HAD A NEW ONE. AND ACTUALLY THERE WAS NO WRITTEN CONTRACT BEFORE. AND THE WRITTEN CONTRACT NOW IS SIMPLY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS THE VENDOR THAT'S BEEN DOING IT ALREADY AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE. AND THE STATE HAS SAID THIS, DOING THE CONTRACT IS JUST GONNA BE IN WRITING. THAT'S RIGHT. WE DOING THE SAME THING. BE IN WRITING. MAYBE IT'LL BE LEGAL. THAT'S LIKE THE JUDGE WANTS TO MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO GET A DIVORCE. THE JUDGE, I CAN'T GIVE YOU DIVORCE BETWEEN SAME. COULD HAVE BEEN MARRIED FIRST. YES. ANYBODY WILLING TO MAKE MOTION? MOTION? MR. CLARK? SECOND. IT ALL A MOTION CARRIES HELL, YES SIR. YOU'RE UP NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOHN. [01:10:03] MISCELLANEOUS IN THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT, INCREASED BALANCE, $500. DEDUCTION OF VOTING EQUIPMENT, CHARITY FOR AND RELIEF THROUGH THE, UH, TRIALS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD. WE NEED TO MOVE 20,000 FROM DEFENSE COSTS UP TO STATE OF FACTS AND CAPITAL. OUTLAYED INCREASED REPAIR COUNTY PROPERTIES, 5,000 WITH REDUCTION OF COURTHOUSE IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE'RE CERTIFYING ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN THE DRUG COURT PROGRAM OF $4,415 TO BE USED IN DIVERSION COURT. Y'ALL HEARD THE LINE TRANSFER? WESTWOOD ENTERTAIN. MOTION TO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SECOND. COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION. CARRIE. SO I GUESS WE YEAH. SOME GOOD TEACHERS. ALL ALL MATERIAL. MATERIAL. MATERIAL. AND YOU GET A, IT LOOKED LIKE I FORGOT TO TURN THEM IN OR SOMETHING. A BUNCH OF ROCK ROCKERS. Y'ALL ROCK. DO SOME OF THAT ON NEXT WEEK. OH, OKAY. YOU SAY 10 SHOES, RIGHT? ORDER JURY OR WHAT? YEAH, I READY. GONNA BE WALKING ALONG. I HOPE SO. RIGHT HERE FOR EVERYBODY. THIS EXPLAIN A LOT MORE DETAIL. A LITTLE BIT. READ IT IS GONNA BE, ARE THEY GONNA GET 20 MILLION? IT STILL A LOT OF MONEY? OH YEAH. I HOPE DON'T TURN INTO THAT LAST FIASCO WE HAD. WHICH ONE? WE ALL VOTED. IS IT REALLY? YEAH. TEXT CALLED. THEY, THEY GOT THE PROBLEM [01:15:02] MONEY WE GOT. WE'RE GONNA THE MONEY STILL, IF YOU COULD GET THAT MUCH DONE FOR 10 MILLION, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST US PAYING PART OF IT. WELL, BUT WE GET IT ALL BACK EVENTUALLY. ARE THEY JUST HOLDING THAT MONEY? JUST HOLDING, UH, THE MONEY BEEN COME IN PRETTY QUICK. UH, BECAUSE IT'S READY TO GO. YEAH. PROBABLY SEVERAL YEARS DOWN IF THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MONEY SPENT. YEAH. FOR A WHILE. OH YEAH. SO YOU DON'T NO, YOU DON'T GET ALL CONSTRUCTION TIME BECAUSE STATE LAWSUIT MAKE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GO UP FOR A CONTRACT IF SHE GOT THE MONEY. SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN, LEFT THE CONTRACT, THAT'S WHEN MONEY HAS TO BE THERE UP TO AND ALL THE ENGINEERING AND ALL FAST. CHUCK BACK WITH GOOD NEWS. MY CHECK ANYMORE. I MIND YOU ON THURSDAY, COME EARLY, WE'LL FEED YOU SOME, SOME UH, TEXAS MUD BUG. GET ARE YOU IN MUD BUG? YOU LIKE YES SIR. YES SIR. WENT LAST TIME. DID YOU GO LAST TEXAS A I HERE YEAR. PRETTY GOOD. PRETTY GOOD. GET ALL YOU WANTED TO EAT. WELL THIS EXTENSION SERVICE GONNA BE, I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN SAN ANGELO WEDNESDAY, SAN ANGELO WEDNESDAY, GIVING A SPEECH TO THE WEST TEXAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S CONFERENCE ABOUT INTERLOCAL COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS. OKAY. SHERIFF GOT SOME MORE GAS AND ALL, OR I MEAN, WELL, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I OVER HERE CLOSE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I I GOTTA GET PRETTY CLOSE TO MY HOUSE. GET BACK THIS WAY. I DUNNO. I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I HAVE A, MOSTLY SOMETHING GOING ON. I DO ANOTHER LAWSUIT THAT I'M WORKING ON. DID IT? NO, WE JUST HAUL IT. Y'ALL HAVE, I DON'T, I MEAN THE SAND'S FREE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. OH REALLY? NOT, NOT SAND COMPLAINTS AFTER THE COUNTY PROJECT PRESBYTERIAN. YEAH. WELL I'VE GOT A INVOLVES THAT DOWN ON THE COAST AND SOMEBODY FILED A LAWSUIT THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO BROTHER CLOSE TO GETTING A RESOLUTION ON THAT. WE'RE GET SOME STUFF OUT. I MIGHT NOT COME BACK AROUND. I MIGHT JUST HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE WORK THAT NIGHT. OH, SHOWED UP. REALLY? I WAS GONNA SAY, USUALLY HE SAYS STUFF TO YOU THE NEXT DAY. I'LL HAVE TO ASK HIM ABOUT THAT SANDWICH. OH, GOT THE, WE DID OFFICER. WELL I [01:20:13] ROOF BUILDING 18 WHEELER ON ITS SIDE. MUCH OF THAT. I DON'T, I GOT BARBARA SAID SHE GOT, YOU'RE GOING. COMMISSIONER JACKSON MAKES THE MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS AND COMMISSIONER DOLLAR SECONDS. IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A UH, MOTION CARRIES. UH, SEE Y'ALL THURSDAY AT TWO O'CLOCK. O' ACTUALLY SEE Y'ALL AT, HOW ABOUT THURSDAY 11 OVER AT THE EXTENSION OFFICE. EXTENSION OFFICE? YEAH. WE GOT THREE HOUR. YEAH. WE'LL ABLE, [01:25:40] LET'S GO BACK TILL SHE GOT DONE . I DO. SO YOU RIGHT HERE? MM-HMM. YOU GET A IN. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.