* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] OH MAN. OKAY, WE'LL COME TO ORDER NOW, PLEASE. UM, MR. JACKSON, WOULD YOU MISS UP THIS MORNING, PLEASE? YES, SIR. MAY OUR HEAVEN. FATHER WE COME. THANK YOU FOR THIS ANOTHER DAY. FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU LOOK DOWN ON THE COMMISSION COURT, LOOK DOWN ON THE, MAKE A DECISION HERE. I BLESSED IN OUR DECISION MAKING THAT IT BE WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY. AND FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD LOOK DOWN ON ANY SAKE OF BERE FAMILY THAT WE HAVE HERE, THEN LOOK DOWN UPON OUR TRUTH. THAT, LORD BLESS, KEEP 'EM OUT HOME WAY ALL YOUR HAND. WE PRAY THAT THEY WOULD A SECTOR IN THE BACK HOME, ALL THIS AMEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC STANDS, ONE NATION AMONG GOD, AN INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I HONOR ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAY GOD ON AN INDIVIDUAL. DID YOU WANT THIS ONE? WELL, THESE ARE MINE. IS THAT I? I'LL BRING. OH, OKAY. Y'ALL, I THOUGHT YOU HAD FOUND YOURS AND GIVEN THAT TO JIM. OKAY. WELL, Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING. IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS DIRECTION, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES, UH, LITTLE MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE FROM NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENT. JOHN PROMISE, DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, SUBJECT IS, UH, RANKING ON SOLID WASTE IMPLEMENTATION PROJECT. CONGRATULATIONS, JUDGE GENT. YOUR FY 2011 SOLID WASTE IMPLEMENTATION PROJECT HAS MADE IT PAST THE FIRST PHASE IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS. NET COG RESOURCE CONSERVATION COUNCIL MET ON THURSDAY, JULY 15TH TO REVIEW THE RESULTS OF THE PROJECT SCORING AND RANKINGS PROCESS AND COMMEND A LISTING OF SOLID WASTE PROJECT FOR FUNDING. NED COG EXECUTIVE BOARD HAS NOW APPROVED THIS PRIORITY RANKING LIST. YOUR PROJECT IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND WE AWAIT THEIR FINAL ELIGIBILITY APPROVAL. ONCE NED COG HAS RECEIVED TCE Q'S BOOK APPROVAL ON THE PROJECT, WE'LL BEGIN NEGOTIATE THE INTER AGREEMENT BETWEEN AND YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. YOUR GOVERNMENT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE COMING MONTHS TO PLEASE FEEL FREE CONTACT GOVERNMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION. THAT'S ONE OF MARILYN'S PROJECTS THAT SHE, SHE, SHE DONE A GOOD JOB BECAUSE, LIKE 20, I GUESS WE'RE GETTING 20, UH, LEFT THAT SHEET AT THE, THAT HAS THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT SOUNDS ABOUT [00:05:01] RIGHT. PRETTY GOOD REQUEST, HUH? THE AMOUNT REQUESTED? YEAH. YEAH, SHE'S PRETTY GOOD. SHE, SHE'S GOOD. UH, AND WHEN, ON HER BUDGET, WHEN SHE CALLED ONE, KNOW WHEN SHE'D COME BY AND VISIT WITH US AND ANGIE TOLD HER, SHE SAID, WELL, YOU COME BY AND VISIT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET CUT 10%. SHE SAYS, WELL, IN THAT CASE I'M COME BACK . SO, UH, SEE, PRETTY GOOD TO WORK WITH. REAL GOOD TO WORK WITH. UH, FIRST ITEM UP THIS MORNING IS SHERIFF DAVID BURNS. WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A CCO. GRANT. SHERIFF, GOOD MORNING. UH, THIS IS A, UH, INJURY CONSERVATION GRANT. UH, WE RECEIVED, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE GRANT, THE AMOUNT OF $115,000. UH, I BELIEVE COMBINE MECHANICAL DID A SURVEY FOR US, AND, UH, I THINK THE, UH, COST WOULD BE ABOUT 3 25, 320 5,000 TO IMPLEMENT THIS. UH, THE MINIMUM SAVINGS THEY BELIEVE WOULD BE AT LEAST AT THE VERY LEAST 60,000 A YEAR ON OVERALL AT THE JAIL. UH, SO WE NEED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, EITHER HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT 15 I'VE BEEN, I WORKED WITH, WITH MR. CLARK AND COMMISSIONER ER ON THIS. UH, SO THAT HUNDRED 15 WOULD COME OFF OCTOBER 3 25? YES. YES. SO IF, UH, WE AGREED TO GO AHEAD AND PURSUE THAT HUNDRED, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME WOULD, WOULD WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE OTHER 220, 2 10, 2 10? UH, I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS ONCE WE LEFT THE, THE CONTRACT, UH, I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE DONE IN PHASE LIKE ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS WOULD PAY, YOU KNOW, GO SURE. IS THE GRANT WRITTEN SAYS THAT WE JUST COULD SPEND $115,000 ON THE IMPROVEMENTS. UP TO A POINT. I, I CAN'T SAY THAT DEFINITIVE RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STIPULATIONS IN THE GRANT ARE, I JUST ASSUMED IT WAS A STIMULUS GRANT THAT WE GOT THIS MUCH TO IMPROVE, AND IF WE WANTED TO ADD ONTO IT, WE COULD ADD ON. BUT IF WE NEED HUNDRED 15 FROM HUNDRED 15 TO REPLACE SOME EQUIPMENT WE'VE GOT OUT THERE, WE BE PART OF THE OVERALL BIG PICTURE. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY YOU EXCUSE THE HUNDRED $15,000 TO START MAKING? YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, UH, COMPLIANCE NUMBER IS. YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ALL PARAMETERS WOULD BE? WHO'S WHO, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT FOR YOU? UH, ACTUALLY ROBIN IS, AND, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO, TO GET THE, UH, UH, THE WHOLE GRAND TO LOOK AT IT. THE, UH, I KNOW THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION NOW THAT WE HAVE TO TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE WANT HUNDRED 15,000, WE'RE RELATIVELY QUICK. UH, IS THERE A DROP DEAD DATE ON THIS? ARE WE, ARE WE RUNNING UP AGAINST IT? I, I THINK THERE PROBABLY IS. I DUNNO JUST HOW CLOSE IT'S, UH, WE GOT IT ON THERE AGAIN AS SOON AS WE COULD. ONCE WE GOT THE NOTIFICATION, THE SIZE OF THE ADDITIONAL MONEY, THE 210 JACK TOLD ME, DO WE NEED TO GO OFF FOR BIDS? YES, SIR. UH, CAN WE GET THIS WRITTEN UP FAST ENOUGH? IF WE APPROVE THIS TO GO OUT FOR BIDS AND ACCEPT THAT, TELL THEM WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO GO UP FOR A BID. I SURE HATE TO LOSE HUNDRED THOUSAND IF WE, I, I'VE GOT THAT BID OUT NOW FOR, UH, AC WORK, WE COULD MAYBE TWEAK THAT AND, UH, MAKE THAT PART OF THAT. I LIKE, I LIKE THE $60,000 SAVINGS, DOESN'T IT? WELL, IF THEIR FIGURES ARE CORRECTED, IT WOULD SAVE US $60,000 A YEAR. IT WOULD GET PAID BACK IN PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS. PROBABLY. THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS THOSE AIR CONDITIONERS ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING ARE, WHAT, SIX, SEVEN YEARS OLD NOW WE'RE, WE'RE GOING IN OUR, OUR, UH, SEVENTH YEAR. SEVENTH YEAR. UH, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF PROBLEMS HAVE YOU HAD WITH THOSE AIR CONDITION ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING? I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF PROBLEM HAVE YOU HAD RECENTLY? WELL, THEY OUT, WE GOT 54 AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, INDIVIDUAL UNIT. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE STARTING TO WEAR OUT, YOU KNOW? OKAY. UH, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN, AND THEY'RE, UH, THE TYPE THAT, THAT, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DOUBLE [00:10:01] UNIT THAT, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEE SAID, YEAH, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THE ARCHITECT THAT DID THE JAIL HAD NEVER DONE A JAIL. WE'VE GOT A BAD SYSTEM, BUT IT'S, IT'S PUT IN SPECS. AND IF THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS SPECIFIED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT, OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY HAD A SYSTEM, BUT WE DON'T. AND, UH, AND THESE ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO BE MORE EFFICIENT ON, UH, UP TO DATE. YES. I THINK WE WORK THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS WHAT THIS BEFORE, IS THAT REPLACING ALL OF 'EM UP THERE? YEAH, I, I COULDN'T, I DON'T THINK HE'D REPLACE, I DON'T THINK HE'S PLAN ON REPLACING ALL 54. I THINK HE'S JUST PUTTING IN A, A NEW SYSTEM. WE WORK WHOLE SYSTEM. YEAH. IT BE MORE EFFICIENT, MORE EFFECTIVE. IT'S GONNA BE COMPUTER CONTROL, KIND OF LIKE OVER IN COURT. WELL, WE'RE COMPUTER CONTROL NOW, BUT THE, THE SYSTEM IS SUCH IT, WE HAVE HOT SPOTS AND COLD SPOTS. THERE'S WAY, QUITE FRANKLY, THE JAIL, IT'S, IT'S COLD MOST THE TIME AND WE GOT PEOPLE WANT TWO BLANKETS BACK THERE AND, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SAID. AND DO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND MAYBE WE MIGHT DO IT TENDERLY TO GO ON AND APPROVE, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTING THIS AND THEN I GUESS IF WE, IF WE DIDN'T DO IT, THEY LET US GIVE THE MONEY BACK. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND. GO AHEAD AND TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, APPROVE PURSUING THE CCO GRANT AND, UH, BANK THE 115,000 AND THEN IF WE, UH, DECIDE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE OVERALL DEAL, OR JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER CLARK SAID, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS UP TO 15, BUT I THINK THAT'S, UH, ALL WE NEED TO DO. I WE ACCEPT THE GRANT AND I WOULD LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SAY THE GRANT I MAKE WITH ROBIN. YEAH. FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW IT WORDED WHAT CAME INTO THE CABINET MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU. THANK SIR. UH, NEXT WE HAVE IS UH, LARRY Y OUR COUNTY FARM MARSHAL AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THE COUNTYWIDE BURDEN BAN. GOOD MORNING. MORNING MARSHALL. UH, JUST FOR SOME LITTLE INFORMATION. OF COURSE WE TRY TO MONITOR THIS, THIS TIME OF YEAR YOU'RE TRYING TO PLAY METEOROLOGIST AND I CAN'T. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN. UH, RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THERE'S 30 COUNTIES THAT HAVE BURN BENDS. THE NEAREST BURN BEND COUNTY THOUGH IS, ALTHOUGH EVERY COUNTY THAT'S THE NORTH OF THIS HAS FAR EXCEEDED THE 5 75 BENCHMARK WITH THE PARTS SERVICE PUTS ON. APPARENTLY NOBODY WANTS TO DO FIRST. I DUNNO WHAT THAT ISSUE IS ABOUT. WE, UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 617 AND A 14 DAY OUTLOOK FOR KAMAN COUNTY IS TO BE PLACED INTO A LEVEL THAT HONESTLY I DON'T EVER REMEMBER US DIGGING IN. IT'D BE THE MAXIMUM 700 TO 800 RANGE. THAT'S THE HIGHEST LEVEL THAT THEY RECORD. SO THAT'S WHAT'S PREDICTED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, JUST BECAUSE THIS TIME OF YEAR IS SO UNPREDICTABLE, IS REQUEST THAT WE DO IT FOR 30 DAYS AND THEN REVISITED ON THAT THE, UH, AGENDA OF THAT SAME WEEK UNTIL WE DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS. I'D LIKE TO JUST GO 30 DAYS AT A TIME. WHAT'S THE NUMBER FIVE SOMETHING THAT THEY USUALLY SUGGEST? 575 IS A BENCHMARK. OF COURSE. THAT'S, IF YOU LOOK THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY, THEY MEASURE IT TO NUMEROUS PLACES. THEY HAVE THE AVERAGE AND THAT SIX 17 IS OUR AVERAGE. WE HAVE SOME PLACES IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE ALREADY WELL ABOVE 700, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME THAT ARE DOWN STILL AROUND 500. IT'S JUST TOO DIFFICULT TO TRY TO SPLIT THE COUNTY UP AND SAY THIS SECTION CAN BE IN BURN ON THIS SECTION. LONG OVERLAPPING FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND JURISDICTION IS JUST TOO DIFFICULT TO DO IT THAT WAY. SO WE CAN PUT IT ON AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN 30 DAYS. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. SO WE DON'T OVEREXTEND IT. IN CASE OF , WHAT I HEARD OVER THE WEEKEND, YOU PROBABLY NEED IT PRETTY BUSY WEEKEND. WE, I HAD AND A HALF RAIN IN OUR HOUSE FRIDAY, BUT MY GRASS IS DEAD. IF YOU GO TO THE NORTH END, YOU GO OUT AND EVEN IN MR. CLARK AREA AND JACKSON'S OUT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE COUNTY. EVERYTHING MR. JACKSON'S AREA OUT, THERE'S JUST NO COMPARISON. HIM DOWN AROUND THE LAY AREA. LAY'S GOT TALL THERE. YEAH, WELL WE KNOW WE'LL GIVE SOME SHOWERS THREE WEEKS FROM NOW WEEK BEFORE . THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING. OKAY. I MAKE THAT MOTION. MR. ER MEET YOU. [00:15:02] COMMISSIONER LER MAKES A MOTION. COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES. ONE LAST THING GENTLEMEN. IF Y'ALL REMEMBER YOU HAVE THOSE REAL NICE NEW FLIP DOWN SIGNS IN EACH OF YOUR PRECINCTS AND I'D LIKE QUICK IF YOU WOULD GET, START DROPPING THOSE DOWN. I HAVE THAT LIST AGAIN IN CASE ANYBODY WOULD LIKE ONE, JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE I HAVE ONE, YOU DON'T MIND FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. WHO, UH, GOT DID YOU GET THEM OR YES, WE THEM TO THE FIRE OF THAT'S THE DOWNS THAT GO ON THE STATE, RIGHT? STATE ABOVE PUT, OF COURSE WE HAVE THOSE YELLOW STICK IN THE GROUND SIGNS THAT OUR OFFICE GOES OUT AND PUTS UP. SO WE DO KEEP SOME OF THOSE. WELL, I'VE GOT SOME NEIGHBORS BURN TRASH. SO YOU STICK ONE OUT THERE BY 20. THERE I EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL CAN GET THOSE. MAYBE DROP DOWN BEFORE THE WEEK IS OVER FOR SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LARRY. OKAY, LARRY, UH, DISCUSS, CONSIDER PROVING THE BOND, PATRICIA P CRO, TEMPORARY JP FOR PRECINCT NUMBER TWO. UH, HER BOND WAS WRITTEN BY MR. JAMES SHIPLEY. IT APPEARS TO BE AN ORDER. SHE SIGNED IT. TWO. MOTION SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL FAVOR. AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. UH, LAST WORD WE HEARD FROM JUDGE. CASE SENT WORD BACK 30, BUT I KNOW HE'S STILL NOT DOING TOO WELL. BUT, UH, WE'LL PROCEED WITH THAT. NEXT, DISCUSS. CONSIDER APPOINTING ELECTION JUDGES AND ALTERNATE JUDGES FOR ALL ELECTIONS THROUGH JULY TWO. YOU I HAVE A LIST OF, UH, JUDGES THERE THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WELL. MORNING MR. BAKER. MORNING SIR. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT? NO, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY LIST. I DON'T. ANY QUESTIONS OF TODAY? TODAY YOU HAVE ON HERE IS 20 AND 27 IN A, UH, 20 AND 27 ARE COMBINED BOX. WE JUST HAVE ONE JUDGE FOR BOTH BOXES. WELL, YOU PUT IT DOWN HERE IN 27. DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S WHERE'S AT GOT 27? THE PROCEDURE IS WHOEVER WON THE WHATEVER CANDIDATE GOT THE MOST VOTES IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE IN 2006 IS THE JUDGE AND THE THAT BOX. AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE JUDGE. SO I THINK OURS WILL BE THE JUDGES IN ALL THE THREE BOXES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I JUST GAVE MR. MURPHY A CHECK FOR $25,000 TO PAY FOR OUR COURT, BUT THE PRIMARY ELECTION. SO MAYBE THEY'LL APPRECIATE THAT. YOU BET. IT'S GETTING VERY EXPENSIVE WHOLE ELECTIONS. WE, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME PROBABLY LOOK AT EXPERIMENTS [00:20:01] GOING OUT IN WEST TEXAS, BUT, UH, LUBBOCK EXPERIMENT AND ALL THAT, I THINK IN REDISTRICTING THAT OUGHT BE SOMETHING Y'ALL NEED TO LOOK AT CLOSE. IS THAT POPULATION BASED? YES. EVIDENTLY IT WORKED OUT, OUT THERE REAL WELL. AT LEAST THE OFFICIALS THINK IT WORKED OUT REAL WELL AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMMUNITY CENTER. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENT POLLING PLACE BECAUSE THAT PLACE IS DOWN AND YOU JUST HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING EVERYBODY DEGREE TO MOVE THEM AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO REPAINT IT RIGHT NOW. AND ARE WE STILL GOING TO USE IT? DO A LITTLE WORK ON IT? WELL, THE PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE TRYING, YOU KNOW, WE PUT A LOT OF A LITTLE MONEY IN IT LAST YEAR, LAST ELECTION, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO REPAINT IT AND WE TOLD THEM, I THINK I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR, BUT I THINK WE TOLD 'EM THAT WE WOULD BUY 'EM THE PAINT IF THEY WOULD. SO WELL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THESE, UH, ELECTION JUDGE LIST. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIE. SO WE NOW HAVE ELECTION TO THANK YOU. UH, NEXT ONE DISCUSSED. CONSIDER REPLACING CONTEMPORARY EMPLOYEE FOR ROAD BRIDGE PRECINCT FOUR. YES, SIR. MY LAST AND THAT MOTION IS MADE BY COMMISSIONER DULLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT WE'LL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER HIRING TWO PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. ONE TO REPLACE A RECENT VACANCY AND ONE TO FILL AND UNOCCUPIED SLOT IN COLTON COUNTY. 40 SAINT THREE. YEAH, I HAD A UNOCCUPIED SLOT CARRIED MOST OF THE YEARS AND I ALSO JUST HAD A RECENT VAC. TIME AND MOTION WILL BE MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT ONE WE DISCUSS. CONSIDER APPROVING FILLING A COURT CLERK WITH JP PRECINCT NUMBER THREE. COMMISSIONER. IT'S, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S UH, JUDGE SMITH. WE JUST HAD A RECENT PREGNANCY IN HIS OFFICE. I JUST TALKED TO HIM THIS MORNING. HE JUST WANNA GET ON THE GYM TO GET APPROVED. HE STILL HAVE PEOPLE SO IT'S JUST REPLACING ONE THAT LEFT RIGHT. NO. WON'T BE ANY INCREASE IN SALARY. YOU HAVE ONE WITHIN THIS OFFICE, PROBABLY GONNA UP TO THAT POSITION, BUT THERE WON'T BE AN INCREASE IN SALARY. MATTER OF FACT, THE PERSON JACKSON MAKES THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. NOW CITYLINK WANTS TO BURY CABLE AND TAYLOR LOOP DOWN 40. THAT'S DOWN IN YOUR PRECINCT. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE THE REMARKS FROM VISITORS UP ABOVE THE, UH, LINE ITEMS. WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SIDE OF AND SPEAK THIS MORNING? WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THIS MORNING REGARDING ROOSTERS. AND THE FIRST ONE IS CHRISTINE PENNINGTON OR PENNINGTON? PENNINGTON. PENNINGTON. YES. YES, MA, YOU JUST COME UP AND USE THE MICROPHONE THERE. YOU SHOULD BE SET FOR WHEN YOU STAND THERE AND PICK EVERYTHING UP. OKAY. GOOD MORNING. IN THE NEXT THREE MINUTES, WE HOPE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A VALID REASON WHY WE NEED YOUR HELP IN PASSING AN ORDINANCE RESOLUTION, A LAW, OR WHATEVER IT SHOULD BE CALLED, TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ROOSTERS IN THE SUBDIVISION. OUR HOPES WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO REGISTERS PER ACRE AT THE MOST. WE HAVE NO QUALITY OF LIFE AND WE'RE SUFFERING FROM SLEEP DEPRIVATION. WE CANNOT ENJOY ANYTHING AT OUR HOME, INSIDE OR OUT. WE REALIZE WE ARE IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA IN THE COUNTY, BUT WE DO LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION. [00:25:02] MOST OF THE LOTS ARE HALF ACRE WITH SOME OF THEM BEING ONE ACRE LOTS. THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE RAISING ROOSTERS, NOT CHICKENS. AND MOST OF THOSE ARE ONE ACRE LOTS AND THEY HAVE AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF ROOSTERS. THERE IS NOISE, POLLUTION, PUBLIC NUISANCE, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER TO CALL IT. THESE ROOSTERS CROW ALL THE TIME. THEY CROW ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT. VERY FEW BREAKS IN BETWEEN WHEN ONE BUNCH OF THEM STARTS QUIETING DOWN THE NEXT BUNCH AT THE NEIGHBORS STARTS IN, WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL INSULATION TO OUR HOME. WE'VE ALSO GONE SO FAR AS TO PUT INSULATION ON THE INSIDE AND FOUR BY EIGHT SHEETS OF INSULATION ON THE OUTSIDE OF OUR WHOLE BACKSIDE OF OUR HOME. THIS IS DONE HELPED. WE CANNOT SLEEP ALL OF THESE ROOSTERS CROW EVERY NIGHT. AND I MEAN ALL NIGHT LONG WHEN YOU'RE HOME DURING THE DAY, YOU HEAR THEM. THEY, THEY JUST GROW ALL THE TIME. WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE HOUSE, OUTSIDE THE HOUSE, YOU CAN HEAR 'EM, YOU CAN HEAR 'EM. WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONERS ARE ON, YOU CAN HEAR 'EM. I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S SO LOUD. THE SMELL OF THE ROOSTERS IS NAUSEATING. IT'S VERY STRONG. THEY'RE KEPT IN CAGES. SOME OF THEM ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR FENCE. I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A HEALTH OR AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. THE EFFECTS THAT THESE ROOSTERS CAUSE IS TRULY UNBELIEVABLE UNTIL YOU EXPERIENCE IT. WE ENCOURAGE AND WELCOME YOU TO COME SEE FOR YOURSELVES WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH ON A DAILY BASIS. I CAN ASSURE YOU IT WOULD NOT BE A WASTE OF TRIP. WE PLEAD WITH YOU TO DISCUSS, TO COME VISIT AND EXPERIENCE WHAT WE MUST LIVE WITH IN OUR HOME, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEWHERE YOU ENJOY BEING AND COMING HOME TO INSTEAD OF DREADING IT. I BELIEVE IF THESE WERE YOUR HOMES, YOU WOULD NOT TOLERATE THIS AT ALL. PLEASE HELP RESTORE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND GIVE US BACK OUR HOME. THANK YOU MA'AM. DID YOU GET HER ADDRESS TO START WITH? UH, GOT HER ADDRESS HERE IS, UH, 15 15 7 WOOD WOODS NORTH WOODS NORTH. IS THAT OUTSIDE? OUTSIDE? IT'S ONE FIVE. 1 5 7 WOODS NORTH DRIVE. I, UH, WOODS. WOODS. WO WOODS. WHO? WOODS NORTH DRIVE. WOODS NORTH. THE NEXT PERSON WE HAVE IS DONALD LYON NORTH DRIVE, I BELIEVE. I DUNNO IF THERE'S A DRIVE ON THAT SIGN OR NOT. I THINK IT JUST WOODS NORTH. DID THEY PUT A DRIVE ON THERE? THAT'S A LONG, LONG, LONG. IT'S GONE ALREADY AGAIN. GOOD MORNING, JOHN. GOOD MORNING. UM, CHRISTIE IS OUR DAUGHTER. UH, WE LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HER. I PERSONALLY CANNOT ALWAYS HEAR THE ROOSTERS THAT'S GROWING. BUT FOR INSTANCE, LAST NIGHT WE WENT TO HER HOUSE TO CELEBRATE MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S 21ST BIRTHDAY. YOU BARBECUE OUTSIDE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU HAVE TO GO INSIDE TO EAT YOUR MEAL DUE TO THE SMELL AND NOISE AND IT'S JUST A TOTAL NUISANCE AND DISRUPTING. NOW I BELIEVE IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH YOUR DIFFERENT CITIES THAT YOU'LL FIND ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN MADE TO CORRECT THIS KIND OF PROBLEM. THERE'S NO LAW I UNDERSTAND AGAINST RAISING FIGHTING ROOSTERS, BUT THERE IS A LAW AGAINST FIGHTING THEM AND THAT'S MAINLY WHY THE STERS ARE RAISED. THEY'RE FED, THEY'RE AGGRAVATED, AND IF YOU GO UP THERE AT TIMES, CERTAIN TIMES YOU CAN SEE THEM ONE WITH ONE ANOTHER. AND I WOULD LIKE THIS COURT ADDRESSES TO BE THERE. THIS WASN'T LIKE THIS WHEN THEY FIRST MOVED IN AND IT'S GOT WORSE SINCE WE'VE MOVED IN AND WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. ANY CONSIDERATION THAT YOU GIVE US, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT AND I'LL WORK WITH YOU IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN. I TOLD THE ENVIRONMENTAL [00:30:01] OFFICER BEFORE THAT THEY'RE WELCOME TO PUT A CAMERA ON OUR PROPERTY. WE OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE ARE AND AT THEIR DISPOSAL TO USE, THEY SEE, HAVE THEY BEEN BY THERE TO LOOK AT THE SITUATION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, THEY WERE THERE ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND UH, I DUNNO WHAT THEY, HOW THEY PROGRESSED IN IN THEIR INVESTIGATIONS. I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE BEING, THERE'S INVESTIGATIONS BEING DONE. UH, I KNOW OF NO LAW THAT GIVES THE COUNTY THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER TO CONTROL THAT. UH, THE COUNTY, THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS TRIED FOR YEARS TO TRY AND GET THAT AUTHORITY FROM THE LEGISLATURE. AND, UH, THE LEGISLATURES, UH, LEGISLATURE GOING BACK TO, UH, THE LATE, UH, SEVENTIES, UH, HAS NOT SEEN FIT TO GIVE THE COUNTIES ANY AUTHORITY TO TAKE CARE OF A MATTER LIKE THIS. THE ONLY WAY IT CAN BE APPROACHED IS IF IT IS, COULD BE DECLARED A NUISANCE OR A DETRIMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR WHATEVER. UH, BUT, BUT THE COURT ITSELF DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PASS ANYTHING TO CONTROL, UH, THE RAISING OF CHICKENS, HOGS, PIGS, COWS OR WHATEVER. UH, DO Y'ALL LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION OR NOT OR OUT OF A SUBDIVISION SUB? WE'RE IN A SUBDIVISION. IT'S A SUBDIVISION, YES. HAVE YOU CHECKED YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS? WE HAVE. HAVE YOU CHECKED THE CHICKENS? AND THE ROOSTERS ARE NOT, UH, LISTED IN THAT. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL, WE DO HAVE A NUISANCE PROBLEM THERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE COURT CAN, UH, WORK WITH THE STATE TO GET AUTHORITY TO PUT THAT ON. AND WE'RE NOT ASKING, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE STATE FOR THE, SINCE 1970. WELL, WE'RE ASKING IT FOR COUNTYWIDE SIR. WE'RE ASKING IT FOR MAINLY SUBDIVISIONS WHERE YOU HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR POPULATION IN A SMALL AREA. AND I DON'T THINK THE REQUEST IS UNREASONABLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE AT ALL. YEAH. WE JUST DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE STATE DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. EXACTLY. YEAH. EXACTLY. AND THAT IS WHY, AND WE'VE TRIED THAT SINCE 1970. EVERY LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THESE GUYS AND MYSELF GO TO AUSTIN AND SAY, LOOK, WE NEED MORE POWER. WE NEED MORE POWER TO CONTROL WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR REAL ESTATE LOBBY THAT COMES RIGHT BEHIND US AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THINGS THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND I CAN'T DO. AND THAT'S LIKE TAKE THEM OUT TO DINNER DOING ALL THIS AND LOBBY WITH THEM. WE CAN'T DO THAT. ALL WE DO IS TELL 'EM WHAT WE NEED. AND SO FAR THEY HAVE NOT SEEN FIT TO GIVE US THAT AUTHORITY. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THIS COURT WILL CONTINUE IN JANUARY TO PURSUE THIS PARTICULAR, WE GOT A NEW STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND HOPEFULLY HE'LL SEE THINGS OUR WAY. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THEY WILL PURSUE TRYING TO GET MORE AUTHORITY TO DO THINGS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION AND WITHIN THE COUNTY. I THINK I WOULD CALL THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICE AGAIN AND TRY TO PUSH IT AS A, AS A SAFETY HAZARD OR A HEALTH HAZARD OR SOMETHING. WELL, WE, WE, IF IT'S THAT, IF IT'S AS BEST AS YOU SAY, IT'S, WE HAVE DONE THAT. YEAH. WE'VE, IN FACT, THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE TWO OR THREE TIMES. THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE THEM TICKETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF THEY DEED, IF IT'S IN NONCOMPLIANT. IF IT IS, YEAH. IF IT IS A HEALTH HAZARD OR I DON'T KNOW, THE NUISANCE IS, IS UH, MAYBE MAY NOT BE DEFINED AS WELL THAT, BUT I THINK THAT YOUR, YOUR UH, YOUR RECOURSE IS TO GO TO THEM AND SEE IF YOU CAN'T GET THEM. THE JUDGE IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T RAISE ANY CHICKENS, PIGS, OR ANYTHING. BUT YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PETITION THE STATE TO GET THAT ORDINANCE. OH, I MEAN WE, YEAH, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. WELL LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHY I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE CONTINUED TO PURSUE THAT. AS MANY YEARS AGO, I LIVED IN A SMALL TOWN AND THEY WERE SHORT ON WATER COME ABOUT MID MAY, YOU HAD WATER RESTRICTIONS, SERVICE STATIONS COULDN'T WASH CARS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND I BROUGHT IT UP IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING ONE NIGHT. I SAYS, WHY DON'T WE BUILD ANOTHER DAM? WE HAVE THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE A GOOD LOCATION. WE HAD THE DRAINAGE ALL BACK IN 1950. WE TRIED THAT AND IT WENT DOWN AND WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND THE MONEY [00:35:01] TO TRY IT AGAIN. ABOUT THREE YEARS LATER, WE GOT A NEW MAYOR AND THEY STARTED PUSHING IT. THEY PUT UP A BOND ISSUE COULD PASS. AND THE DAY THAT TOWN ENJOYS A NICE WATER INPO. YEAH. AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING LONG AGO ABOUT MOST CITIES HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR THIS. CITIES CAN PASS ORDINANCES AND COUNTIES. NO, NO, NOT HERE IN TEXAS, BUT OTHER STATES. YEAH, BUT WE'RE HERE IN TEXAS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HERE IN TEXAS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY HERE, WE CAN OBTAIN THE AUTHORITY BY WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY. WELL SIR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT MORE PEOPLE JUST THAT FEEL LIKE YOU DO IN AUSTIN BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, EVERY TWO YEARS SINCE THE MID SEVENTIES WE'VE GONE TO AUSTIN AND ASKED FOR THAT AUTHORITY. WOULD YOU TRY AGAIN? I WON'T, BUT UH, THE GUY FOLLOWING ME, WELL, ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. LEAVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HOPE FOR. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO TALK TO THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL GUYS. EVEN IF, IF WE WENT DOWN THERE AND THEY SAID, WELL YEAH, LET'S DO THIS, IT'D BE 10 YEARS BEFORE IT EVER GOT PASSED. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT YOUR IMMEDIATE RECOURSE IS TO GO TO THOSE GUYS AND COME UP WITH SOME, FIND SOMETHING, FIND A VIOLATION THAT THEY CAN UH, WELL THERE'S THE VIOLATIONS THERE AND THEY'VE SEEN IT. THEY HAVE SMELLED IT. SO BASICALLY I'M INTERRUPTING. BASICALLY THE ONLY THING OF CHOICE I HAVE IS TO MOVE BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO DO ANYTHING. MA'AM, DID YOU NOT HEAR WHAT I JUST SAID? YOU SHOW ME IN THE LAW BOOK, UH, WHERE THE COUNTY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND WE'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. ALL I HEAR IS THERE'S NOTHING, THE COUNTY OFFICIALS IS EXCUSES. THAT'S ALL I EVER HEAR IS AN EXCUSE. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T JUST TO PULL THE LAW OUT OF THE AIR AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING VIOLATE THE LAW OURSELVES BY IMPOSING A NON-LAW ON OTHER PEOPLE. WE CAN'T DO THAT MA'AM. MOVE TO COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A, BUT WE, BUT WE LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION AND THAT'S THAT. BUT THAT IS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR SUBDIVISION PEOPLE. YEAH. DID YOU LOOK AT YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATION? I HAVE A COPY. IT LIMITS IT TO TWO LIVESTOCK PER ACRE AND NO SWINE IS ALL IT ADDRESSES. WHO WOULD KNOW THAT SOMEONE WOULD START RAISING ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 70 BREWSTERS AND ON ONE ACRE LOT WAS TWO HOMES. AND THAT'S PROBABLY REASON THEY STARTED RAISING THE ROOSTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COVERED. JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS? THIS IS OUR, UH, YES. AND, AND THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE A PARTY TO THIS, BUT IF IN FACT THESE OTHER, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE PROBABLY THE SAME SUBDIVISION, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING IN VIOLATION OF SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, WHICH WOULD BE PRESUMABLY ON FILE AT THE TIME EVERYONE BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY, THEN I THINK THEY WOULD'VE RECOURSE IN CIVIL COURTS TO SEE CONJUNCTIVE RELIEF AND, AND STOP IT. I MEAN IF IN FACT THAT'S CORRECT, THERE'S A LIMIT OF TWO FOR OUR SUBDIVISION. DON'T DISCUSS, DOESN'T DICTATE ANIMALS. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. BUT THE DEED RESTRICTION, DIDN'T WE TALK YESTERDAY ABOUT YOUR DEED RESTRICTION SAYS SWINE AND AND TABLET. SO IT'S TWO LIVESTOCK PER ACRE AND NO SWINE IS ALL IT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT. THE COUNTIES CAN'T ENFORCE DEED RESTRICTIONS. I I I AGREE. THEY INDIVIDUALLY COULD GO TO COURT AND SEEK TO ENFORCE AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS DE RESTRICTIONS, YEAH. CAN GO TO COURT AND COURSE IF THE DEED RESTRICTION SAYS NO, WHO'S GOING THE COURT TO THE COURT? HOW COURT MAY, MAY I ASK SOME? THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 30 OR MORE HOMES THERE. DOES THE COURT REALLY WANT 26 LAWSUITS FILED? I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S ONE I I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY LEGAL ADVICE, BUT I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK THERE WOULD BE ONE LAWSUIT. OKAY. YES. I I THINK I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE ONE LAWSUIT THAT WOULD SAY DECLARATORY RELIEF THAT WOULD SAY WHAT ARE THE RIGHTS OF THE PARTIES WITH RESPECT TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND UH, AND TO ENFORCE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF IT PROPERLY PRESENTED, THEN A COURT WOULD SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE DE RESTRICTIONS SAY AND IT'S ESTABLISHED WHATEVER THEY, AND THEN ENTER AN ORDER ACCORDINGLY. THEN IF IT'S NOT ENFORCED, THEN THEY ENFORCE IT WITH CONTEMPT. SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO JP COURT. YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED NOW THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE SAME SUBDIVISION THEN YET YOU, UH, ON A DEED RESTRICTION ENFORCEMENT, THAT'S DISTRICT COURT JURISDICTION. DISTRICT COURT. I DIDN'T DO THAT. , IN YOUR OPINION THERE THEN ALL RESIDENTS WERE THAT WERE AGAINST US COULD BE INVOLVED IN THE LAWSUIT. CORRECT? I THINK [00:40:01] THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME STANDING. YES, SIR. RIGHT. AND NOW IF IT'S NOT A ROOSTERS ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN THAT RESTRICTIONS, IF THERE IS A RESTRICTION OF TWO LIVESTOCK AND ANYONE HAS OVER TWO LIVESTOCK, WHATEVER IT IS, THEN I, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION. BUT I CAN'T SEE WHERE ROOSTERS ARE EVER CLASSIFIED AS LIVESTOCK. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. I I I DUNNO HOW THEY CAN CLASSIFY GENTLEMEN, THANK, I DUNNO HOW IT WOULD FIT IN UNDER, I DUNNO HOW IT WOULD FIT IN UNDER THE DUTY RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ONE THING YOU CAN DO AND YOUR WIFE AND YOUR DAUGHTER IS WRITE THE LEGISLATOR AND, AND THE, THE, UH, SENATORS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM HOW IMPORTANT IT'S THAT THE COUNTY GET MORE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE LAND USE IN THE COUNTY. SO WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO REGULATE LAND USE IN THE COUNTY. THANKS AGAIN SIR. THANK NOW DO WE HAVE ANY YOU MIND? NO, SIR. UH, DOES SHE WANNA SPEAK TO SORRY, I JUST WANTED, UM, YEAH, SHE SIGNED UP ALSO. YOU SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE ABOUT IT. UM, WE DIDN'T SAYING NOTHING COULD BE DONE ABOUT IT. WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THIS AUTHORITY TO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. UM, IT SAYS, UM, AROUND FOUR FOURTH AREA ROOSTERS ARE RESTRICTED OR BANNED IN 26 TEXAS COMMUNITIES. DALLAS HAS A CITYWIDE VAN. ARLINGTON ALSO ALLOWS ONLY IN AREAS ZONE FOR AGRICULTURE. AGRICUL AND I HAVE, UM, SEVERAL OTHER LITTLE, UH, AREAS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY LIMIT THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS YEAH, BUT THAT CITIES MA'AM NO, I I I UNDERSTAND SOME OF 'EM ARE UNINCORPORATED, UH, AREAS AS WELL IN TEXAS. UM, SAY THEY'RE IN TEXAS, BUT WELL SEE THAT TEXAS IS NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER STATES MA YEAH, WE'RE LEARNING THAT WE'RE, WE MOVED HERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. UH, IN 2007. A BILL WAS TABLED REGARDING THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S PROBABLY CAN'T BE ADDRESSED UNTIL NEXT YEAR. THAT'S RIGHT. AND UM, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE WHO, UH, WHAT LEGISLATOR? IT WAS HERNANDEZ AND UH, IS THAT WHO PROPOSED THAT MAY PROPOSED? IT IS BILL NUMBER TX EIGHT 80 RHB 1225 FILED ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2007. AND I BET THAT SAME BILL WILL BE FILED NEXT YEAR AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL GET FURTHER, BUT IT MAY NOT GET ANY FURTHER THAN THAT. AND UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE COUNTY, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE COUNTIES. ALL THE COUNTIES, THE BORDER. THAT'S ONE REASON LEGISLATURE HAS A PROBLEM IS COUNTIES SURROUNDING METROPOLITAN AREAS AND THEN SOME OF YOUR MEDIUM TO LARGE SIZED COUNTIES ALL WANT THIS REGULATION. RIGHT. AUTHORITY FOR SMALLER COUNTIES AND ALL YOUR WEST TEXAS COUNTY, THEY DON'T WANT IT. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE TOLD WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR LAND. OH, I UNDERSTAND. AND SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THE LEGISLATIVE GOT THIS GROUP COMING AND SAYING, WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE FOR IT. AND YOU GOT THIS GROUP COMING AND SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR IT. SO IT GETS HASSLED AROUND AND THEN IT GETS DROPPED. LIKE, LIKE THEY BOTH MENTIONED, UH, EPA HAS BEEN INVOLVED. UH, THE NOISE IS UNREAL. I MEAN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING 50, 60, 70 S ON AT LEAST THREE OF THE AREAS, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS ON ONE OTHER AREA, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S UNREAL. AND UM, THEY GO OUT AND THEY BEAT ON THE, THE BARRELS AT NIGHT TO GET THE, THE ROOSTERS TO EAT, BUFF 'EM UP, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN FIGHT. WE KNOW THEY'RE SELLING 'EM, BUT WE CAN'T PROVE IT. UM, IT'S JUST, IT WOULD, IT WOULD SOLVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES IF YOU COULD JUST GET IT DONE. . LIKE I SAY, I PERSONALLY BEEN TRYING SINCE 1975. RIGHT. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULDN'T PLAN ON QUITTING EXCEPT THAT I'M NOT GONNA FEED HER UP JANUARY THE FIRST, BUT, UH, EVERYBODY IN AUSTIN KNOWS HOW IT FEELS ABOUT IT ANYWAY. WELL, SO YOU'RE TIRED TALKING ABOUT NO, JUST, I WISH IT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO. I KNOW WE GET THIS WITH, UH, PEOPLE. WELL WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD COST A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER LAWSUIT ORIGINALLY TO GET THIS FILED IN THE CIVIL CASE. AND THAT'S WHY UH, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THAT ROAD HAVEN'T GOT THAT MONEY. THEY JUST DON'T. AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A BAD SITUATION. WELL IF YOU, IF THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS CANNOT FIND A LEGAL VIOLATION THERE, THEN YOUR ONLY ALTERNATIVE GOING TO BE, I THINK THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT IT IT'S TAKING SO MUCH TIME. I WAS GONNA SAY IF THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS [00:45:01] CANNOT FIND A LEGAL VIOLATION THERE THAT THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, THEN THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME WOULD BE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND, AND FILE, UH, TO HAVE THAT, UH, MY DAUGHTER HAS DECLARED A NUISANCE. RIGHT. AND ALSO PURSUE THE, UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. WELL MY DAUGHTER HAS RECORDING OF ALL THE ROOSTERS. IF ANYBODY CARES TO HEAR IT DAY AND NIGHT AND I MEAN, I I DOUBT IT. THERE'S MORE THAN A 10 OR 15 MINUTE TIME DURING THE DAY THAT THEY SHUT UP. I WOULD, I WOULD STAY AFTER THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL PLACE. JUST NEEDS TO SEE IF YOU CAN. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY WE ONLY HAVE TWO FOR COUNTY, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO THEY'RE VERY BUSY. THEY ARE BUSY. THEY'VE GIVEN US SOME TIME, BUT WE WE NEED MORE HELP RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE YOUR BEST UH, SOLUTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. BUT IF THEY DON'T FIND A LEGAL VIOLATION, IF THEY CAN FILE ON THE PEOPLE WELL, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING DOES NOISE, DOES NOISE POLLUTION COME OUTTA EPA A ALSO IF IF IT THE, IF THE NOISE IS LOUD ENOUGH. THAT IS CORRECT. RIGHT. I KNOW OF A MOTORCYCLE TRACK THAT, UH, WAS CLOSED DOWN BECAUSE THEY GOT AN EXPERT OUT OF DALLAS AND HE HAD HIS DECIBEL MACHINE AND THEY RECORDED THAT IT, THIS UH, MOTORCYCLE RACE AT NIGHT AND THE COURTS DETERMINED THAT IT WAS, IT VIOLATED THE UH, THE NOISE LAWS. THANK YOU. BUT THOSE ARE STATE LAWS, NOT COUNTY LAWS. UH, PAY ANY BILLS TODAY. JUDGE, I NEED TO RETRACT THE STATEMENT AS WELL. WE DO HAVE LINE ITEM TRANSFERS. OKAY. I JUST DON'T HAVE THEM ONLY WAY UP HERE. WELL WE CAN DO THEM NEXT WEEK OR IF THEY SHOW UP BY THE TIME WE GET THE, I THINK THEY'LL, ANGIE, IF UH, WE DON'T HAVE AIR ON HERE ABOUT ONE GONNA PUT A SIGN ON THERE, IT WOULD BE RUDE. I COULD SAY IN THE COUNTRY Y'ALL DO KNOW VERA COUNTY TALKS ABOUT CEDAR CREEK ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. HE'S PROBABLY CONVERSATION WITH VICKY ABOUT THAT. UH, THAT THAT WHEN THEY GOT THEIR LAKE IN PART OF THEIR DEAL IS TO ALLOW THAT LAKE IN WAS IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO HOLD AN ELECTION, HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING WITHIN 5,000 YARDS OF THE, OF THE LAKE SHORE AT THE THREE 20 FOOT MARK OR SOMETHING. I USED TO KNOW ALL THAT. BUT UH, THEY GOT, THEY HAVE A PLAN. THEY GOT PLANNING AND ZONING RESIDENCE VOTED IT DID AND THEY PLANTED ZONING OVER THERE 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE A CHEROKEE SHORES. THEY HEARD ALL THE HORROR STORIES ABOUT CHEROKEE SHORES OVER THERE, SUBDIVISIONS OVER THERE. AND SO THEY, THEY THEY USED, THEY USED CEDAR CREEK AS AN EXAMPLE. WHEN THEY TELL PEOPLE WHY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM HAVE A STORAGE BUILDING OR SOMETHING ON THERE, THEY HAVE PERMITS. EVERYTHING RUN THAT LAKE. YOU KNOW, THEY POINT TO THIS LAKE OVER HERE AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE POINT TO THIS LAKE AND SAY, YEAH, LOOK AT ALL THAT MONEY THAT MADE OFF THAT LAKE BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO GROW A LOT QUICKER THAN OURS IS FROM WHAT LAKE? YOU SAID? RICHLAND CHAMBERS DOWN IN BARRA COUNTY ARE TALKING ABOUT CHEROKEE SHORES AS AS AN EXAMPLE. HUH? WHY ARE YOU USING CHEROKEE SHORES? WELL I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE ALL THE DEAD BODIES THEY PICKED UP OUT THERE AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, , I READ THE NEWSPAPERS OVER HERE TOO. I'M SURE BARBARA WROTE SOME OF THESE STORIES. YOU KNOW, I USED TO LIVE THERE. OH DID YOU REALLY? I I NOTICED YOU SAID USED TO PAST TENSE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WHEN THEY SOLD ME THAT HOUSE, IT TOOK ME DOWN A REAL NICE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE WATER. THEN I REALIZED THAT THAT WAS THE ONLY NICE ROAD IN THERE. WELL MY SISTER'S A RN AT DOES HOME HEALTHCARE. SHE'S VISITED ALL IN AROUND THAT LAKE. SHE TOLD ME SO MANY STORIES. SO I MEAN YOU RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL ONE YOU PROBABLY, [00:50:24] YOU'LL SEE THAT JUST REAFFIRM THEIR DECISION. LEGISLATURE DIDN'T THINK WE HAD THE MENTALITY AND I'VE HEARD OF THAT. WE'RE NOT AND THEY STILL FEEL THAT WAY. AND JUST IS ONE EVERYBODY ABOUT WHEN WE CHEROKEE SHORTAGE, LIKE I SAID, HAD SO MANY DEAD BODIES SHOW UP SOCIAL, WE JUST CAN'T STAY FOR ANY BUSINESS. EVERYBODY GO, EVERYBODY CAN GO EAT WE LUNCH FIRST AND GET OURSELVES. YEAH. AND THEN JUST POINT OUT THAT THIS NOT GET POSTED. SO THEREFORE WE CANNOT RECEIVE ANY REPORTS OR DISCUSS ANY BUSINESS AIR DO AS QUICK AS YOU COULD. I'M DRIVING RIGHT NOW AND I KNEW IT WAS BAD BECAUSE I REFUSE TO RIDE MY MOTOR ONE MY GUYS. OH YEAH. I WROTE IN THIS IS 29. THIS ABOVE EVERYBODY. IT MIGHT BE 10 YEARS FOR TO DO IT. YOU WE CAN DO IT ALL. JUST NOT ONCE. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET FOR 30 YEARS. LET'S DO IT. WE CAN'T. [00:55:20] YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE, I'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT HOW WHOLE PROCESS ESPECIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO OH YEAH. HE PUT IN GAVE AND THAT GIVES AND THEY USE SOME STUFF. THEY, I KNOW I USED TO A LOT. I GOT MY PAYCHECK OUT. I I OH YEAH, I, WE FIGURED MUST YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET IN OFFICE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THAT'S, THANK YOU FOUR BECAUSE ANYWAY, I THOUGHT, BUT I, SO WHEN I FINISHED WE MOVED. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS [01:00:02] BACK IN THE, WELL YOU BUSH. WELL THAT SOUNDS LIKE THEY, I UNDERSTAND WHY CITY HAVE US UH, PORT BY THE 21ST, LIKE THE LITTLE AND THEN YOU GET TO THE, MY LAST CAR WAS AT THAT TIME THE ONLY TIME BOUGHT DON'T HAVE WIFI. GOT ALL THAT TO 15 THERE THREE GUYS WITH HER KNEE. SHE HAD BOTH, SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T HAVE TO REDO THE, ALL THESE OTHER GUYS ARE GOING AND SHE'S, SHE GOT A LITTLE WALKING CART AND SHE JUST WALKING AROUND LIKE THAT A MINUTE. TELL US LIKE JANICE, THAT THERE WAS NO PAIN. JANICE WAS NO PAIN. YEAH, JANICE ACTUALLY, AND I WAS LUCKY ONE, THE GUYS WALKED REALLY GOOD. THERE'S A WORD FOR GUYS LIKE ME THEN I OUTTA IT CALLED, THAT'S WHY GOD DOESN'T US BABIES, WE, I THINK IT WAS PAIN BUT WHAT'S THAT? A HANGNAIL? THAT'S COMMERCIAL. COMPARE UP. LITERALLY I DIDN'T GO TO HIGH SCHOOL, I DIDN'T GO TO SCHOOL. I'M JUST PARANOID. I'M GONNA RUN INTO SOMEBODY AND BE AROUND THEM LIKE TWO WEEKS OR WHATEVER. I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL, WAIT FOR ME TO SAY SOMETHING AND I DON'T KNOW, CCC MAY HAVE INVOLVED TRYING TO GET WATER FOR THE, WASN'T SURE IT WAS EXCEPT SHE WAS WATER. OH I HAD MEETING. SHE TOPPED IT OFF. WHAT WAS IT? RIGHT. GOT MARRIED, PUT ESCROW. SO TURNED IT DOWN. YEAH, SHE CALLED ME, DROPPED IT OFF, AGREED TO 19 FARM. I THINK I HAD A 19 WHEN I WAS LIKE SIX . I WAS ALWAYS, I WAS ALWAYS, I ALWAYS BEEN MY WHOLE FAMILY. PARTIALLY DNA AND PARTIALLY THE AWAY AIR CONDITIONER. I GO TALK, [01:05:01] PUT ABOUT TWO BOXES, REFRIGERATOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. BUT JOHNNY IS 2004. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, REMEMBER THAT. BUT THE COUNTIES WOULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT BECAUSE HAD STRAWBERRY. MY AUNT TRIES BECAUSE MY MOM SISTER TRIES TO MAKE IT JUST SO SHE LIKE SHE CAN DO GOOD. MOM. IT'S STILL NOT BAD. DON'T TURN IT DOWN. NOT IN Y'ALL HAVE THAT WE SHOULD DO. CITIES DO. YEAH. I FIGURED OUT. 'CAUSE I COME INTO TOWN TO GO TO WORK ON SATURDAY SO I, YOU KNOW, I FIGURED OUT WHERE THE BILL, KFC IS, WHERE THE MCDONALD'S IS. SIMILARLY. AND THEN I SAW BUILDING PERMIT FOR SAME REASON BECAUSE UNTIL THEY GOT SOMEBODY MAD, GOT SOME MONEY PAID 37, THEY WENT TO THE CROWS OR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RESTAURANT RIGHT ON THE, GOT THE LAKE. IT'S GOT THE OUTSIDE EATING RIGHT IN BASICALLY ON DECK ONTO THE WATER. SAME THING. SEVEN CITY ON THE RIGHT. RIGHT AT THE BRIDGE. THE BRIDGES A RESTAURANT RIGHT THERE. SOMEBODY SAYS THAT'S PROBABLY YOU DO. WELL I SHOWED HIM THE STATUTE. I THINK THEY YET JERRY AND I HAVE APPROVED IT. GOLF LIKE THAT. GOLF, THE LAKE, DR. ABUSE BETTER ON THE WAY HOME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT COOK. YOU'RE WAY TOO YOUNG. EVERYBODY WE GREW UP WITH THAT AIR CONDITIONING DIDN'T BOTHER US. BUT YOU GO OFF NOW MOSQUITOES. THERE WAS SOMETHING WE PUT IN THE SURE NIGHT OUT THERE. IT GOT DOWN TO 70 DEGREES. THE HUMIDITY WAS THREE. Y'ALL SEE THE CAME ONE EIGHT TOWARDS MOUNTAIN, THE OTHER DIRECTION THE, IT WAS UH, WHAT'D YOU SAY? 64. OKAY. YEAH, IT'D BE A 200. OKAY. OKAY. YOU SAY YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS. JERRY MAKES THE MOTION AND AND RAISE SECONDS IT. EXCUSE ME. COMMISSIONER RALPH MAKES THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY MOTION CARRIES. UH, I DON'T HAVE THE YET. HE'S DOING A LETTER. COMMISSIONER RABBIT ALREADY MADE THE MOST ADJOURN. HAVE, OH WE DIDN'T DO THE LINE ITEM. MY FIRST ASSISTANT AUDITOR CLAIMS THAT I LOST THESE IN THE BUDGET STUFF, SO WE ALREADY APPROVED IT. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT. READY COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE INCREASED MILEAGE BILLS AND LOING 700 [01:10:01] TRAINING EDUCATION 200 WITH PRODUCTION OF OFFICE SUPPLIES. 700 MISCELLANEOUS 100 DISTRICT JUDGE EXPENSE. 100 COUNTY COURT OF LAW INCREASED SECTOR HELP 2000 FROM AN UNFILLED. UH, ASSISTANT COURT COORDINATOR POSITION. PUBLIC DEFENDER. INCREASED CONTRACT SERVICE FOR COMPUTER PROGRAMMING. 1000 IN CONDUCTION OFFICE OF EQUIPMENT, GENERAL GOVERNMENT INCREASED OFFICE SUPPLIES 10,000 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 4,000 WITH REDUCTION IN HEALTH INSURANCE. JP FOUR INCREASED OFFICE SUPPLIES 120 WITH REDUCTION IN BONDS TAX ACCESSOR COLLECTOR INCREASED SOCIAL SECURITY. 100 REDUCTION IN MISCELLANEOUS THAT JUST A CALCULATION ERROR IN PAYROLL. CONSTABLE PRECINCT FOUR, INCREASED COMMUNICATIONS 500 WITH PRODUCTION OF TRAINING, EDUCATION AND CONFIDENCE. SHERIFF INCREASED PARTS AND REPAIRS. $5,000 MEALS. LODGING 200. HE PERFORMS 3000 WITH PRODUCTION OF OFFICE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT IN JAIL. INCREASED MEDICINE AND DRUGS. 30,000 REDUCTION GROCERIES, CHARITIES AND RELIEF. WE HAVE A $1,316 SWITCH FROM C PS ATTORNEYS TO THE 86 DISTRICT COURT PRECINCT. FOUR. CONVENIENCE STATION. INCREASE UNIFORM, 600 REDUCTION UTILITIES, CAPITAL OUTLAY, INCREASE AIR CONDITIONING. CAN I VOTE FOR THAT? AIR CONDITIONING HEATING. 10,000 REDUCTION REPAIRS TO COUNTY PROPERTY AND COURT HAS IMPROVEMENTS. ROAD FOR WAGE PRECINCT TWO. INCREASE ANNUAL CLEANUP. 2000 REDUCTION OF RENTAL EQUIPMENT. FOUR. INCREASE LEASE PATIENTS 8,100 ION OF ROAD MATERIALS. JUVENILE PROBATION INCREASE DETENTION SERVICES. 100 REDUCTION OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SERVICE RECORDS MANAGEMENT PRESERVATION. INCREASE OFFICE EQUIPMENT. $50 REDUCTION OF INDEXING. COURTING AND IN THE SOLID WASTE CONVENIENCE STATION FUND. INCREASED EXTRA HELP. 1500 SOCIAL SECURITY 200 AND A SWITCH BETWEEN COSTS OF KAMAN AND OF TAR 30. THE TRANSFER COMMISSIONER SAYS HE'LL MAKE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECOND. IT ALL IN MOTION CARRIES. YOU WANT THESE BACK? NO, I'LL LET YOU KEEP IT JUST IN CASE YOU'RE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE AND YOU GET HOT. LEAVE THEM SOMEWHERE. DID YOU SEE THE ONE I HAD MADE? I AM A FAN OF THE LINE ITEM TO PUT IN IN THE AND PAY THE BILLS WHILE AGO. UH, YEAH I BET IT WOULD BE BECAUSE YES, NOT MUCH BUT IT'S STILL NOT VERY GOOD. WHEN THEY CALLED ME THIS MORNING AND TOLD THAT AVERAGE HERE MY FIRST INFORMATION WAS, OKAY, GREAT. FIX IT AND YOU KNOW, SEE THAT'S WHAT WE GET. PEOPLE CALLING MY OFFICE AIR CONDITION CALL. SO I CAN'T GET ONE OFF WHEN THEY WEREN'T HERE. THEY'RE HERE EVERY DAY. MOTION COMMISSIONER DE MAKES THE MOTION TO INSURANCE AND COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECOND. CYNTHIA, [01:15:02] THE RESTRICTIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE THE DOCUMENT PAGE TO A DIFFERENT, WE'RE NOT CERTIFY NOW. THERE'S NOT JUST A THAT MAKES DOES THAT GO TO THE PLOT TECHNICALLY? MM-HMM BECAUSE THIS JUST SHOWS, I THINK WE CAN CERTIFY PLOT. I THINK I'VE DONE IT BEFORE, LIKE ONCE. I CAN'T DO THAT TOGETHER LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS. AGAIN, IF IT'S TWO DIFFERENT UM, INSTRUMENT NUMBERS, I WOULD JUST DO TWO. I THINK SO. YEAH, I THINK I HAVE, I WAS A MAIL, YOU KNOW, THEY MAILED IN AND I HAVE MELT BACK, BUT YES, I THINK I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. ONCE. YEAH. IS HE MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE? CANCER DISEASE. [01:29:41] WHAT [01:29:42] I'M PUTTING UP NOW IS SALE AND PURCHASE. [01:30:03] ATIONS GOING ALONG LOUISIANA. ANYTHING DUE TO ANY SUGAR KIND. STOCK MARKET. JJ HUNT. YOU SEE HIS TRUCKS? MM-HMM . HUNT. IT'S TRUE IF YOU DID IT OR IF YOU WANTED TO. YEAH. ALRIGHT, WELL COME HERE A SECOND. WHERE, WHERE AM I GONNA FIND THE BOOK? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.