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OKAY, WE'LL COME TO ORDER NOW.
I'LL ASK COMMISSIONER JACKSON, OPEN
FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO INVEST DOWN ON THIS COMMISSION COURT.
FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESSED TO WE DISCUSS ON THE COURT THE DECISION THAT ARE BEING MADE HERE TODAY.
THEN FATHER, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMMISSIONER RALPH HELP.
WE THANK YOU FOR JUDGE AS HE GOES THROUGH THIS PROCEDURE AND ALSO JOHNNY, AS HE GOES THROUGH THIS PROCEDURE.
THEN FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU LOOK DOWN ON THIS COUNTRY AND BLESS THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THE TRUTH THAT OVERSEAS, BLESS THEM AND KEEP THEM IN THE FORM OF YOUR HAND, THAT THEY MAY HAVE A CERTAIN JOURNEY BACK HOME.
ALL THIS WE ASK IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
I HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG THE MUST GOD ONE AND MANY PREVIOUSLY BEEN A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.
IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
HAVE A LITTLE LIKE READING FOR YOU.
I HAD TWO LIKE READINGS LAST WEEK CALLED FIVE AND SIX
MY OFFICE, WELL THEY SENT ME 10, 10 SETS UP AND TWO WEEKS, TWO DAYS LATER, THEY SENT, FEEL FREE TO RECYCLE.
THIS BE, I DUNNO WHAT PART INCORRECT.
SEGMENT ONE OR SEGMENT TWO, TWO.
WANNA KEEP THESE JUST FOR SOME.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A NEW ONE YET.
COMMISSION WELL THAT WAS THE ONLY, UH, ROUTINE THAT I SEE.
ONLY ROUTINE MEMBER THAT I HAD.
UH, FIRST WE HAVE RHONDA HUT WANTS TO TALK TO US ABOUT BUYING HER TO HIRE TWO REPLACEMENTS TO FILL VACANCIES BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2011.
I COME BEFORE YOU ASKING IF FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO HIRE TWO REPLACEMENTS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE LOSING OUR DISTRICT CLERK AND I'LL BE REPLACING HER AND I'LL NEED SOMEONE STARTING JANUARY TO REPLACE MY POSITION.
AND ALSO I'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPENING LATER
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ON DURING THE YEAR.BUT I'M NOT ASKING TO FILL THAT ONE UNTIL APRIL.
AND YOU KNOW, WE, OUR COURT SUPPORTS SIX DIFFERENT JUDGES AND THERE'S ONLY EIGHT OF US IN THAT OFFICE.
AND WE'VE GOT ONE THAT'S OUT NOW ON MATERNITY LEAVE.
SO IT'S LEAVING US REALLY SHORT.
AND IF I COULD HAVE A REPLACEMENT STARTING JANUARY THE FOURTH TO FILL ONE OF THOSE VACANCIES, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT UNTIL APRIL BEFORE I HIRING.
WILL THEY BE COMING IN AT THE SAME SALARIES AS THE OLD? NO.
UH, NEW HIRE SALARY, WHICH THAT COULD BE SAVING MONEY 'CAUSE THEY'LL COME IN AS A NEW HIRE.
I ASKED RHONDA IF SHE COULD POSTPONE THAT HIGHER FOR THE 60 DAYS THAT WE KIND OF TELL HER THINKING ABOUT.
SHE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT TO
SHE WISH THAT SHE WOULDN'T BE SOMEBODY TO TAKE HER SPOT.
BUT THEY ALL JUST POSITION, THEY ALL PHYSICIAN.
WE'LL HAVE ONE THAT'S RETIRING ALSO.
ALL FAVOR? UH, NEXT WE HAVE UH, SHERIFF DAVID BY WANTS TALK TO US ABOUT HIRING FORWARD REPLACEMENTS FIELD EXISTING VACANCY.
WE HAVE UH, ACTUALLY GOT FIVE CIE FILL FOUR THOSE RIGHT NOW.
UH, I NEED TO REPLACE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LEFT.
IF THEY, ALL THEIR COMPENSATORY TIME, THEY WERE PAID UP.
SO HOW LONG HAVE THEY, PARDON? HOW LONG HAVE THESE POSITIONS BEEN OPEN? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
PROBABLY SOME UP THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS.
I GUESS THAT'S, SEE HE'S DOING THE SAME THING.
RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT SIX DAY, IF, IF WE, WHENEVER WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS 60 THING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT YOU ANY AT ALL? NOT COULD THEY ALREADY BEEN OFF FOR 60 DAYS? YEAH, I SAID THAT'S, WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING THEM FOR THAT TIME DOWN VACATION.
THEY, WE HAVE TO PAY OUT AND THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECONDS IT ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NEXT WE HAVE, UH, MARILYN, WE DISCUSS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CO-OP, UH, WRITING A APPLICATION THROUGH SDA FOR FUNDING TO
HOW ARE YOU? GOOD ON WHAT NOW? DID I SEE YOU PUTTING THESE ON THE BENCH? I DID.
THAT'S JUST A LITTLE MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM THE CO-OP.
LOOK AT THAT SO THAT YOU WILL NOT FORGET US.
IT HAS OUR WEBSITE ON IT AND IT ALSO HAS OUR TELEPHONE NUMBER.
SO IF YOU HAVE A CALL WHEN SOMEBODY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH SOMETHING, YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT.
UM, WHAT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY, UM, IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A-U-S-D-A GRANT RIGHT NOW THAT'S AVAILABLE TO SEND THAT FOR UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST.
SO I HAVE A VERY SHORT WINDOW.
UM, BUT I, IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLID WASTE ISSUES AND I WAS THINKING THAT, THAT IF WE WROTE A GRANT FOR, UH, MAYBE REORGANIZATION OR SOME WAY TO MAKE THE ECO STATION OVER THERE A LITTLE MORE, UM, USABLE USER FRIENDLY FOR EVERYONE, THEN UM, THAT MIGHT BE, UM, A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY.
UH, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT UM, I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO SIT DOWN AND, AND PUT INTO PLACE.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER COUNTIES, HENDERSON AND VANS AUNT HAVE ASKED THEIR CITIZENS HAVE ASKED IF THEY COULD USE THAT FACILITY AND WE COULD BRING IN EXTRA FUNDS FROM DOING THAT.
'CAUSE WE'D BE ABLE TO CHARGE THEM A LITTLE MORE THAN OUR CITIZENS PROBABLY.
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THE HOURS, UM, NOT BEING OPEN ON SATURDAY.I GET LOTS AND LOTS OF COMPLAINTS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO ON SATURDAY WHEN THEY WORK ALL WEEK.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF THE TIRES AND THE, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE STATION THAT GETS THE LARGEST QUANTITY OF TIRES.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT COMES OUT OF, UM, THE JAIL PICKING UP THE TIRES AND DROPPING 'EM OFF AT THAT POINT.
BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS LAST YEAR, IT WAS LIKE 13 TRAILERS WENT OUT OF THERE.
NOW WE DID GET SOME MONEY, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT
SO I'VE, I'VE HAD SOME, UH, CALLS FROM RANCHERS AND FROM SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE KIND OF RESIDENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF NOT A BUSINESS BUSINESS AND THEY HAVE STATED THEY WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM PAYING TO DROP TIRES OFF IF WE WOULD ALLOW TO DROP OFF LARGER QUANTITIES THAN FOUR AT A TIME.
SO THERE'S JUST THINGS THAT I THINK COULD BE LOOKED AT TO SEE IF WE COULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE, UM, WORKABLE.
THAT IS THE ONLY CONVENIENCE STATION IN THE COUNT THAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY OWNS.
THE OTHERS ARE OWNED BY THE CITIES AND SO, UM, THE BURDEN OF THE EXPENSE HAS BEEN ON THE COUNTY FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
AND I THINK MAYBE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS, BUT IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A STUDY AND A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, TIME AND WORK.
AND I THINK THAT GETTING SOME MONEY TO DO THAT MIGHT HELP IF I CAN DO THAT.
THIS IS ONLY TO ASK YOU IF I CAN APPLY.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WILL EVER GET THE GRANT EVEN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S JUST MY OFFER OF, OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO.
NOT FOR ALL FOR APPLY FOR ANY GRANT WE COULD GET THAT WOULD HELP US ANY AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT MATCHING FUNDS.
WELL, AND I YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
I HAD EVEN IF FOR MATCHING FUNDS, IT DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT, RIGHT? AND THE TIMEFRAME IS IN THE TIMEFRAME.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I COULD DO WHERE IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ALREADY GIVING US AND WE CAN JUST SAY THAT THAT'S THE MATCHING FUND, THEN THAT MIGHT BE, I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WITH, AND JUST GONE AHEAD AND SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 10% THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR IS MONEY THAT EITHER COMES FROM WHAT THE COUNTY HELPS WITH OR THE MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVE AND THAT USUALLY IS
SO IF THERE IS NO MATCHING FUNDS, UM, WOULD YOU BE I MEAN WELL I THINK YOU ONLY MAKE FREE GRANT ANYWAY BECAUSE EVEN MAKING A GRANT DOESN'T OBLIGATE US NO.
EVEN IF WE GET ACCEPTED TO THE JUDGE WHEN THE CONTRACT COMES, THE COUNTY JUDGE HAVE TO SIGN ANYWAY.
I KNOW WE ALLOWED TO WRITE GRANT.
WHAT'S THE MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SAYING BY COMMISSIONER BROWN? ANY DISCUSSION I HAVE, I HAVE SOME ABOUT THREE PROBLEMS WITH HIM.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER YEAH.
AND THIS REALLY WE, THE NEXT THING IS THIS OPENING SATURDAY MM-HMM
HOW ARE, ARE WE GOING TO BE OPEN SIX DAYS A WEEK AND WHO'S GONNA PAY THE COMP TIME? THAT WAS, THIS IS ALL JUST A STUDY.
I MEAN THIS IS TO STUDY STEVE.
IT'S A NOT, WE, WE WERE OPEN SATURDAYS FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND FOR THE FIRST WE HAVE VERY LITTLE PARTICIPATION.
ALRIGHT, NEXT EXACTING OF HOW AUTHORIZED TYPES OF MATERIALS LIKE HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD WASTE.
WE ALLOW COUNTY DEPARTMENTS TO DO IT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THAT'S TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE LEFT POCKET AND PUTTING IT IN RIGHT POCKET.
THAT IS WHY DO WE WANT TO CHARGE OURSELVES TO DO THIS? THIS, THIS IS A CITIZEN'S CONVENIENCE STATION AND IT REALLY IS NOT FOR A BUSINESS.
SO IT ISN'T THE, THE LAWS OF THE STATE STATE, BUT THIS IS THE CITIZENS CONVENIENCE STATION AND I'M NOT SURE THAT SOME OF IT'S NOT PAINT THAT WE DON'T REALLY TAKE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE ABLE TO SEE IN THE BIG PICTURE THAT MAY BE GOING IN AND, AND TEACHING THE PRECINCTS HOW DID TO DISPOSE OF THE LATEX PAINT INSTEAD OF SOME OF THE ENAMEL PAINTS.
BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE, UM, A GOOD, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOWER THE COSTS.
AM I, AM I CONFUSED HERE? WHY WOULD I WANT TO CHARGE THE COUNTY TO USE A COUNTY FACILITY?
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WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USING IT ANYWAY.THAT'S WHAT THIS IS A CITIZEN'S CONVENIENCE STATION.
WE DON'T LET PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY USE IT.
AND TO ACTUALLY SAY THAT THE COUNTY ITSELF IS TAKING MATERIALS OVER THERE, THEN THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AS FAR AS REGULATIONS FOR THE STATE.
WHEN THE SHERIFF, THEY'RE CLEANUP PEOPLE BRING HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD MATERIALS TO I'M GONNA CHARGE THE SHERIFF.
IS THAT WHAT I'M GONNA DO? THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, BUT PROBABLY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF A WAY TO GET RID OF THAT WASTE.
AND WE PUT IT ON THE BUDGET TO INCREASE THE COST FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO DISPOSE OF THAT.
WELL, YOU, YOU'VE HAD TO PAY, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE DISPOSAL ANYWAY.
I AM JUST SAYING THAT REGULAR RE IF YOU'RE GOING BY REGULATIONS AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN DOING THAT, THAT IT COULD END UP, COULD END UP HAVING THE COUNTY FINES BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE USING THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MADE KNOWN FOR.
IT'S IN THE BOOK THAT I MADE SEE UP ON ROAD BELONG TO IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THE COUNTY.
AND WE COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF IT WERE, IF THE STATE COMES IN AND DOES SOME TYPE OF AN AUDIT, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T, UM, THEN IF THEY FOUND OUT THAT THE COUNTY WAS BRINGING FROM THE PRECINCT BARNES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OVER TO THAT FACILITY, THEN IT'S STATED IN THE REGS THAT WE WROTE IN THE VERY BEGINNING THAT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR THAT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE DO THAT? I THINK WE DO.
YOU DON'T HAVE JUST THE HAZARD WASTE, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU DON'T HAVE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING IN THE RIG, THAT YOU CAN'T LET THE COUNTY, BUT YOU, YOU DON'T TAKE HOUSEHOLD HAZARD AWAY FROM THE PRECINCT FROM FROM YOUR BARN.
DO YOU I TAKE IT FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
FROM THE ROAD TO WHEREVER THEY ACTUALLY BELONG TO A CITIZEN.
SO, BUT THEN THE NEXT, THE NEXT TIME THE SHERIFF COMES IN THERE TO BRING SOMEBODY AND HE PICKS UP OFF THE ROAD, DO I CHARGE HIM? NO, I WOULDN'T.
IN THE REGULATIONS THAT WE WROTE, THEY HAVE THE MANUAL.
THEY, IT'S, IT'S FOR ONLY CITIZENS TO BRING MATERIAL INTO THAT FACILITY.
HOW DO WE GET IT FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO THAT FACILITY WITHOUT, WE'RE NOT CALL THE CITIZEN TO GO TAKE IT UP THEIRSELVES.
THAT'S THE ONE DROPPED IN THE MIXED PARTWAY
AND THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE A CASE FOR THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS PAINT, WE DON'T TAKE LATEX PAINT.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S BEEN LATEX PAINT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT THERE.
THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE DON'T TAKE IT AT THAT FACILITY.
AND THE REASON THAT WE DON'T IS BECAUSE YOU CAN DRY LATEX PAINT FOR FREE AND YOU CAN PAY OVER $300 FOR A 55 GALLON CONTAINER.
AND SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE DREW UP ALL OF THESE EXPENSES, IT WAS TO HELP THE COUNTY NOT HAVE TO PAY THOSE EXORBITANT PRICES BECAUSE I KNEW WHICH PRICES THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO PAY.
SO THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE FACILITY AND THE USE BY THE COUNTY.
BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF I, YOU WANT ME TO WRITE AN APPLICATION FOR, I THINK YOU, I WOULD APPROVE GOING OUT FOR A GRANT, BUT SOME OF THIS POLICIES AND THE POLICY THAT YOU'RE STATING, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, I'LL FIND THEM FOR YOU.
YOU HAVE THEM THAT WE WE SUPPOSED TO GET TATTOO.
SORRY, I I THOUGHT I GAVE JUST ONE SHEET.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE COULD END UP SAVING MONEY AT THE, AT THE CONVENIENCE STATION.
IF WE DID A STUDY AND WE LOOKED AT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT.
WELL, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND GO AFTER THE GRANT AND, UH, SEE IF WE GET IT AND THEN ADDRESS ALL THESE PROBLEMS IF WE GET ANYTHING.
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I LIKE YOU, JIM.I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR GUYS OURS IS THE SAME AS HIS RIGHT AS FAR AS A CITIZEN THING, NOT A COUNTY THING.
AND WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? HE ONLY THE PRECINCT FOUR HAS THE COUNTY'S HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE FACILITY THERE.
OH, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE A HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS.
NOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DUMPING TRASH, YES, YOU ALL HAVE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME ISSUE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO AFTER THE, FOR THE GRANT.
AND MOST HAVE BEEN MADE IN SECONDED.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? THIS WHAT WAS THE MOTION? MOTION WAS TO ALLOW HAS COURT ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE.
KYLE, YOU WANT BRING UP THE OR COURT? YES, SIR.
THAT'S NOT AS THICK AS LAST MONTH.
I BILL THE DESK THIS WEEK, ENTERTAIN MOTION.
ACCEPT THAT REPORT MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ALL IN THURSDAY.
UH, JIM, CAN YOU TAKE OVER? I'VE GOT, UH, TO LEAVE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I MAY OR MAY NOT BE BACK BEFORE Y'ALL GET THE DOOR WILL NOT BE BACK.
JUST KEEP EVERYTHING PACKED UP.
IS THIS WHERE WE GET A RAISES IS WHERE WE'RE GET A RAISE THIS ALL OVER.
HONORABLE DISTRICT ATTORNEY RICK HARRISON.
Y'ALL DOING ALRIGHT? JEFF? DISTRICT I, UH, TOLD THE JUDGE TO COME ON BACK IN JUST A SECOND.
HE DIDN'T, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I HAD ON THE DOCK FOR.
OH, YOU GOT, YEAH, I GOT HIM RIGHT THE BACK DOOR.
I, I GOT, I GOT WAS TOLD I COULDN'T LEAD YET.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I DO WANT TO TELL THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT, JERRY, RAY, WAYNE, JC, AND JIM.
UH, IT'S BEEN MY PLEASURE AND HONOR TO WORK WITH YOU MEN FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
UH, I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE YOU GIVE TO THIS COUNTY.
I APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIP YOU'VE HAD WITH MY OFFICE.
I APPRECIATE THE, UH, COURTESIES, YOU'VE EXTENDED JOHN AND, UH, HOW YOU'VE HANDLED BUSINESS.
AND I APPRECIATE, UH, HOW YOU'VE BEEN, UH, KIND AND RECEPTIVE AND LISTENED TO MY COUNSEL AS WELL.
SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT AND BEST OF LUCK IN ALL YOUR ENDEAVORS, UH, IN ALL FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
UH, I'M BRINGING TWO PROCLAMATIONS TO THE COURT TODAY.
THE FIRST ONE IS A PROCLAMATION IN HONOR OF JUDGE WAYNE.
IT READS AS FOLLOWS, WHEREAS JUDGE WAYNE GENT, BORN DECEMBER 25TH, 1941 IN KAUFFMAN, TEXAS TO HAZEL AND JW GENT SIBLINGS GLORIA REYNOLDS AND TODD GENT.
HE'S MARRIED TO TINA CARLISLE AND FATHER TO LISA WADE AND KELLY.
HIS GRANDCHILDREN ARE HUNTER SPENCER, JARED, ANNA AND LIAH.
WHEREAS JUDGE WANG GENT WENT TO KAUFMAN HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE
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EXCELLED IN FOOTBALL AND TRACK, GRADUATED IN 1960 AND RECEIVED A FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIP TO TEXAS A AND M UNIVERSITY.HE SUFFERED A CAREER ENDING INJURY TO HIS SHOULDER, TRANSFERRED TO TEXAS YOUTH TECH UNIVERSITY, AND BEFORE FORMALLY GRADUATED FROM TEXAS TECH, HE HAD JOINED THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS.
WHEREAS JUDGE WAYNE GENT SERVED WITH THE FIRST MARINE DIVISION IN VIETNAM, SAW COMBAT SERVE AS A SCOUT CIPHER FROM 1967 THROUGH 1968.
HE WAS WOUNDED IN JANUARY OF 1968 DURING THE TET OFFENSE, HAD AND RECEIVED A PURPLE HEART AWARD FOR WOUNDS RECEIVED.
HE WAS AND IS A, OR WAS A MEMBER OF THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD FROM 1977 TO 1982.
HE IS A LIFE MEMBER OF THE MARINE CORPS LEAGUE, THE MARINE CORPS SCOUT SNIPER ASSOCIATION, THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WAR POST 39 0 5 OF THE AMERICAN LEGION.
WHEREAS JUDGE WAYNE, JEN ERS MILITARY DISSERVICE WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT SOUTH TEXAS COLLEGE OF LAW IN HOUSTON, WHERE HE RECEIVED HIS DOCTORATE OF JUDGE PRUDENCE.
HE RETURNED TO KAMAN COUNTY AND PRACTICING, BEGAN PRACTICING IN KAMAN COUNTY DECEMBER OF 1973.
IN 1974, HE WAS LEFT ELECTED KAMAN COUNTY JUDGE AND SERVED IN THAT CAPACITY UNTIL 1982 WHEN HE RETIRED AND WENT INTO PRIVATE PRACTICE.
HE REMAINED A SPECIAL JUDGE FOR KAMAN COUNTY FROM 1983 THROUGH 1995, WHEREAS JUDGE WAYNE JETT WAS AGAIN ELECTED KAUFFMAN COUNTY JUDGE IN 1998.
HE'S RETIRING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, HAVING SERVED 12 CONSECUTIVE YEARS AS COUNTY JUDGE FOR KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND COMBINED TOTAL OF 20 YEARS AS COUNTY JUDGE.
HIS ACHIEVEMENTS AND MEMBERSHIPS INCLUDE MEMBER AND PAST PRESIDENT OF THE KAUFFMAN LIONS CLUB MEMBER AND PAST PRESIDENT OF THE KAMAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEMBER AND PAST PRESIDENT OF THE KAMAN COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION, MEMBER OF THE GRAND MASONIC LODGE OF TEXAS, PAST PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, PAST PRESIDENT OF NORTH AND EAST TEXAS COUNTY JUDGES AND COMMISSIONER ASSOCIATION, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, MEMBER OF THE TOBACCO PERMANENT TRUST FUND, BOARD OF DIRECTOR, MEMBER OF THE TEXAS WORKFORCE BOARD AND BOARD OF DIRECTOR MEMBER OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.
WHEREAS JUDGE WA MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR OVER 30 YEARS, HAS SERVED AS SANTA CLAUS THROUGHOUT NORTH TEXANS AND SPECIFICALLY IN KAUFMAN COUNTY AT THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY CHILDREN'S SHELTER AND GENESIS SHELTER, PROVIDING JOY TO CHILDREN THROUGHOUT NORTH TEXAS.
THEREFORE, I, RICK HARRISON, CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY TODAY AWARD JUDGE WAYNE GENT, THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR OUTSTANDING SACRIFICE AND SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF KAMAN COUNTY AND POSITION THIS COURT TO PROCLAIM FRIDAY, DECEMBER 24TH, 2010, CHRISTMAS EVE AS JUDGE WAYNE GENT DAY IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY,
AND THERE I PRESENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS OF THIS COURT THIS TIME.
I DUNNO IF WE DID ALL THAT THERE.
NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT A HORSE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY POLITICS, EVERYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT THE BAD, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT THE GOOD.
SO, UH, AND I DO WANNA PRESENT TO YOU, WAYNE, THIS KAUFFMAN COUNTY LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD PRESENTED TO JUDGE WAYNE GENT FOR OUTSTANDING SERVICE AND COMMITMENT TO THE CITIZENS OF KAMAN COUNTY, 1975 THROUGH 2010.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, DEDICATION, AND LEADERSHIP TO KAUFFMAN COUNTY.
YES, JUDGE, LET'S GET A PICTURE OF YOU.
YOU GOTTA SHAKE YOUR HANDS ONE MORE TIME FOR, FOR OH, OKAY.
NO, JERRY, I DID IT ALL BY MYSELF, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW RICK'S ALSO MY SON-IN-LAW, SO
I, UH, WASN'T EXPECTING ANYTHING.
WASN'T EXPECTING, UH, UH, GOING AWAY DEAL.
BUT, UH, I GUESS THIS IS KIND OF IT.
AND WHILE I'VE GOT Y'ALL KNOW ME, I DON'T LIKE, I'M AFRAID OF TALKING.
UH, BUT IT IS BEEN FUN, UH, A GREAT GROUP OF GUYS TO WORK WITH.
UH, THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT COME CLOSE TO THIS ONE, AND THAT WAS PROBABLY THE ONE WE HAD IN 1979.
THEY WERE A BUNCH OF GOOD GUYS TOO, JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE.
AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL, APPRECIATE THE OTHER PEOPLE I'VE WORKED WITH, HAL AND JC LAURA, SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD HELP TO US THESE LAST, UH, YEARS.
UH, I'M GONNA MISS PART OF IT.
PART OF IT I'M NOT GOING TO MISS.
YOU KNOW, POLITICS HAS GOTTEN SO DIRTY NOW AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE
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OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INVOLVED AND CAUSING IT TO GET DIRTY.UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT.
UH, BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN FUN AND I'VE CHERISHED, UH, PEOPLE I'VE WORKED WITH AND, AND, AND PARTICULARLY THIS LADY RIGHT HERE, UH, ANGIE'S BEEN WITH ME FOR 18 YEARS NOW, AND I'M SURE GONNA MISS WORKING WITH HIM EVERY DAY.
BUT, UH, UH, WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY? I THANK YOU ALL AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT YOU GAVE ME THROUGH THE YEARS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT MONTH, UH, MOVING ACROSS THE STREET, UH, BEING WITH THE KIDS OVER THERE, PRACTICING LAW WITH THEM, UH, AND, UH, A LIMITED PRACTICE, A LIMITED PRACTICE.
UH, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
AND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TRAVEL.
TINA AND I HAVE ALREADY GOT OUR FIRST TRIP PLANNED.
WE'RE GOING TO JACKSONVILLE, WYOMING, JANUARY THE 15TH.
SO, UH, RIDING LITTLE, SOME SNOWMOBILES UP IN THE MOUNTAINS.
LAST TIME WE DID THAT, IT WAS 40 BELOW.
UH, BUT, UH, IT WAS STILL FUN.
APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL'S SUPPORT, PARTICULARLY YOU GUYS HERE.
PROCLAMATION I THINK YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN TOO.
UH, IT'S A PROCLAMATION TO HONOR ONE OF MY OWN.
UH, IT'S A PROCLAMATION TO HONOR JOHN CLARK LONG THE FOURTH OVER THERE.
UH, WHEREAS JOHN CLARK NOT POSTING FOR THIS.
I'M SORRY, THERE'S NOT A POSTING.
THERE SURE ISN'T A POSTING FOR THIS.
UM, A GRADUATE OF RICHARDSON HIGH SCHOOL IN THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, OF DALLAS, HE RECEIVED HIS DOCTORATE OF A CHURCH PONCE FROM ST.
MARY'S LAW SCHOOL IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS IN 1984 AND RETURNED TO DALLAS, TEXAS, WHERE HE EVENTUALLY MET AND MARRIED HIS WIFE SUSAN, AS THE FATHER OF JENNIFER, REBECCA, AND CLARK.
WHEREAS JOHN LONG MOVED TO SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS AND WORKED THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND RETURNED TO DALLAS, TEXAS.
HE JOINED THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HEADED BY JUDGE JOHN VANCE IN 1997, AND WORKED AS THE CHIEF OF THE CIVIL SECTION FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
HIS DUTIES INCLUDED THE HANDLING THE ARBOROUS AND ALWAYS CONTROVERSIAL COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND DALLAS COUNTY, UH, UNTIL HE LEFT IN 2002 TO RETURN TO PRIVATE PRACTICE.
UH, WHEREAS JOHN LONG JOINED THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
FEBRUARY 26TH, 2009 AND EIGHT, ASSIGNED TO THE CIVIL SECTION OF THE OFFICE HAS WORKED WITH THE KAMAN COUNTY'S COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
HIS ADVICE TO THE COMMISSIONERS, THE COUNTY JUDGE, HIS WISE COUNSEL AND PROFESSIONALISM HAVE EARNED IN RESPECT NEAR AND FAR IN THE COUNTY.
UH, WHEREAS JOHN LONG WAS DIAGNOSED WITH STAGE FOUR CANCER IN 2007 AND BEAT SET CANCER.
THE CANCER RETURN TOWARD THE END OF 2008 IN A DIFFERENT SPOT.
THE CANCER WAS BEATEN AGAIN IN 2009.
AT THE END OF 2010, THE CANCER WILL BE BEATEN AGAIN.
UH, WHEREAS JOHN LONG HAS ALWAYS EXHIBITED AN UPBEAT, UNYIELDING, PROFESSIONAL ATTITUDE AND SENSE OF HUMOR AND HIS BATTLE WITH CANCER, NEVER COMPLAINING OR ASKING FOR LONG PERIODS OF RECOVERY TIME AND HAS CONTINUED TO WORK AND PERFORM HIS DUTIES AT A HIGH LEVEL.
THEREFORE, I RICK HARRISON, CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY TODAY AWARD.
JOHN LONG, THE KAUFMAN COUNTY MEDAL OF COURAGE AND POSITION THIS COURT TO OBTAIN THURSDAY, DECEMBER 16TH, 2010.
AS JOHN LONG DAY IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, AARON, I PROPOSE AND SEND COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
YOU GET A SPEECH FROM THE END, JUDGE.
JOHN, YOU'VE EARNED IT, BUDDY.
UM, IT, IT HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK HERE AND IT'S BEEN, UH, GREAT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND ALL THE COUNTY OFFICIALS AND, UM, IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE AND HONOR.
UM, UM, I'M GONNA BE HERE AFTER JANUARY 1ST, SO, UM, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT LEAVING.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, I, I LOVE THIS AND, AND I LOVE, UH, THINKING THAT I'M OF SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY AND, AND YOU'RE MORE THAN A SERVICE JUDGE.
AND, AND, UH, THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.
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NOW CAN I GO,UM, UH, A HEARING ON PETITION FOR THE CREATION OF COFFMAN COUNTY FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE, SUBMITTED BY 2 69 COFFMAN PARK LIMITED.
AND I GUESS THAT'S IN HEAR A SECOND.
ANYBODY, JACK? PARDON? I I NEEDED THE FIRST AND THE SECOND.
I JUST HEARD WHO FIRST AND SECOND.
CLARK, CLARK, JACK, CLARK, AND JACK.
LAURA, WE'RE GOING THAT, THAT'S A ISSUE.
YEAH, BUT WE DON'T WANNA GO
IS THERE, UH, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON, UH, NUMBER FIVE, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE TWO PETITIONS BEFORE YOU.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NUMBER FIVE.
THE SECOND ONE WILL BE NUMBER SIX.
THEY'RE THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER, 2 69 KAUFMAN PARTNERS.
I OFFICE AT 1221 NORTH I 35 EAST SOUTH OF CARROLLTON, TEXAS 7 5 0 0 6.
I REPRESENT 2 69 KAUFMAN PARTNERS.
UM, THE TWO ITEMS THAT WILL, THAT YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT TODAY ARE BOTH THE SAME LANDOWNER, HOWEVER, ONE IS WITHIN THE FORNEY EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION AND ONE IS IN THE MESQUITE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
BOTH HAVE BEEN, UM, WORKED ON WITH THOSE RESPECTIVE CITIES AND WITH FORNEY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND OUR ATTORNEY, CHRIS JORDAN IS HERE, UH, REPRESENTING THE PARTNERSHIP IN WITH REGARDS TO THE PETITION.
WE ALSO HAVE BRENT MURPHY ON THE FRONT ROW.
HE IS OUR DISTRICT ENGINEER AND GEORGE SCHRADER, WHO ALSO REPRESENTS 2 69 PARTNERS.
WHAT YOU WILL FIND IN THE PRESENTATION IN A FEW MOMENTS IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, MET ALL OF THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PETITION.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE MET KAUFMAN COUNTY'S LONGSTANDING POLICY OF GAINING CONSENT FROM BOTH THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE'VE DONE ALL OF THE THINGS NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD TODAY, AND I THINK ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND WITH THAT, AND TO MAKE OUR PROCESS GO FASTER, I'LL ALLOW CHRIS JORDAN TO CONTINUE FORWARD.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF CRAWFORD JORDAN IN DALLAS.
UH, AS, UH, KIRK TOLD YOU, YOU REPRESENT PETITIONERS 2 69 COMAN PARTNERS.
UH, WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU ALL WITH A NOTEBOOK, UH, FOR BOTH OF THE, UH, PROPOSED DISTRICTS, UH, THAT CONTAINS EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF THE LANDOWNER'S PETITION.
UH, YOU'LL FIND IN THESE NOTEBOOKS A MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT HAS BEEN, UH, PROVIDED BY A METRO STUDY IN DALLAS, UH, FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OPINION THAT HAS BEEN PREPARED BY RBC CAPITAL MARKETS OUT OF HOUSTON.
UH, AND ALSO AN ENGINEERING CREATION REPORT THAT'S BEEN PREPARED, UH, BY DOWTY ANDERSON ASSOCIATES, UH, OUT OF PLAINTIFF.
UH, THESE PROFESSIONALS HAVE, UH, PROVIDED YOU WITH FEASIBILITY OPINIONS, UH, LETTING YOU KNOW THAT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT AND MARKET STANDPOINT AND ALSO AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THAT THE TWO PROJECTS THAT, UH, UH, WOULD BE UNDERTAKEN IN THE DISTRICTS, UH, ARE FEASIBLE.
UH, AND, UH, WITH THAT, UH, WE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO OPEN UP THE, UH, HEARING OF QUESTIONS.
UH, AGAIN, AS KIRK TOLD YOU, WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING REPRESENTATIVE FROM DOUBTING ANDERSON HERE, BRENT MURPHY, WHO CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ENGINEERING REPORT.
UH, AND, UH, KIRK AND GEORGE, UH, WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, ANSWER
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QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE PROJECT YOU HAVE.YEAH, BOTH THESE ARE, UH, IN PRECINCT TWO AND TALKING WITH JORDAN AND KURT, THERE WAS, WITH JOHN LONG, THERE'S A FEW ISSUES THAT WE WANTED TO GET RESOLVED ON THE THING THEY'RE WORKING, THEY'RE ALREADY RESOLVING THOSE ISSUES.
UH, ONE WAS, UH, THE ISSUE OF, UH, HAVING A FIVE ACRE MINIMUM TO KEEP 'EM HAVING PLATING ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENTS IN HERE SAID THEY GOT AN UNDIVIDED INTEREST IN ONE ACRE.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT FOR US.
THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE, UH, THE APPROVAL LETTER FROM THE POINTING ISD APPROVES THESE THINGS IN ELLIS COUNTY.
AND SO THEY NEED CHANGE THAT FOR US.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS, THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, THE DUMPER AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF MESQUITE IS VERY EXTENDED DOCUMENT, I THINK COVERS EVERYTHING FROM THE NAMING OF THE FIRST FOUR KIDS AND BORN OUT THERE AND WHATEVER.
IT, IT'S GOT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD IN THERE.
I MEAN, THEY COVERED THEIR BASES AND THEIR DEVELOPERS.
ARE WE GOING ON THE ONE IN MESQUITE? BECAUSE THE OWNERS LIVE HERE.
IT'S IN, OH, IT'S IN COFFMAN COUNTY COUNTY.
JUST IN, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LETTERS HERE THAT, UH, LIKE I SAID, OUR POLICY IS THAT THE CITY HAS TO PROVE IT.
IT'S AGREED TJ AND THE STOOL HAS TO PROVE IT.
WE'RE GONNA CORRECT THE ISD LETTER TO GET THAT PART DONE.
THEY'RE GONNA CORRECT THE, THE DEEDING AND COMMISSIONER, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE FIVE ACRES HAD THE DEED, IN FACT THAT WAS SENT, UH, TO THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR COURTING ON FRIDAY.
SO THEY SHOULD BE RECEIVING THAT THIS MORNING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SENT OUT FOR RECORDING THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THESE TWO PROJECTS.
DISTRICT FIVE, WHEN IT'S TOTALLY BUILT OUT, ITS ESTIMATE WOULD BE $140 MILLION IN VALUE.
AND DISTRICT SIX ON THE MESQUITE SIDE, UH, IS 118 MILLION OF BUILD OUT.
SO BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER WOULD PUT $258 MILLION IN NET PRESENT VALUE, NET PRESENT VALUE DOLLARS ON THE GROUND AND ASSESS VALUE OF BUILD OUT EACH DISTRICT AS FAR AS WHAT BONDS THE DISTRICTS WOULD ISSUE, UH, ABOUT $9.6 MILLION, ACTUALLY 12.9 MILLION AND FIVE AND 10.9 MILLION AND SIX.
AND THAT'S HOW MUCH BONDS WOULD PROBABLY BE ISSUED WITHIN THE FACTORIES OVER TIME.
SO WHEN THEY GET PAID BACK THEIR TO THEIR BOND MONEY, I SAID THEY'RE HAVING $22 MILLION IN BOND, BUT THEY'LL BE PAID, WELL, THEY DON'T GET PAID BACK.
IS THAT 22 MILLION TO GET PAID BACK OR $22 BONDS? THAT'S JUST THE BOND AMOUNT DON'T GET PAID BACK, BACK 2018 OR 20 MILLION.
IT WOULD BE 17, $17.6 MILLION FOR $258 MILLION PROJECT.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE ONE IN POINT BECAUSE NEY HAS NOT APPROVED THEIR POINT ON THAT, ON THAT POINT.
BUT THE ONE IN MESQUITE HAS, UH, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS VOLUMES PAPERWORK RIGHT HERE, THE CONCEPT PLAN THEY GOT IN THERE, SHOWS A CONVENTION CENTER, IT SHOWS GROCERY STORES, IT SHOWS MEDICAL BUILDINGS.
ALL THE RETAIL COMMERCIAL TYPE PROPERTIES THAT I'M WANTING TO GET CREDIT AND COMPLEMENT COUNTY REDUCE THE TAX BURDEN ON THE HOMEOWNER ARE IN THE MESQUITE PROJECT FOR SURE.
AND SO I'M VERY, VERY TICKLED WITH THAT.
UH, ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT THE SAME THINGS WILL BE IN THE, UH, THE UH, 0.1 WELL, AND AND POINT THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT POINT IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO ISSUE DEBT UNTIL THEY GET THAT SAME TYPE OF RIGHT.
DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT? DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, YEAH.
YOU THREE 80 AGREEMENT, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S NOT A THREE 80, BUT, UH, IT WILL INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL TAX TAX BASE OUT THERE.
I'M NOT TOO, TOO THRILLED ABOUT SOME OF THE MULTI-FAMILY THAT'S GONNA BE OUT THERE, BUT COMMERCIAL IS GONNA OVERRIDE THAT TREMENDOUSLY.
WHAT, WHERE ARE WE AT IN THE PROCEDURE? I, I SEEN ANGIE HAS NOTARIZED SOMETHING IN THAT DOCUMENT.
ARE WE AT THE PETITION STAGE OR OR ARE WE AT THE HEARING? WE'RE AT THE HEARING STAGE.
WE, SO THE PETITION HAS ALREADY BEEN SIGNED AND RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE.
I, IT IT HAS BEEN, IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
UH, AND UH, IT WAS PRESENTED IN A TIMEFRAME REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO ALLOW US TO HAVE A HEARING TODAY.
AND THEN I BELIEVE WE HAVE ACTION ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE COURT WAIT TO TAKE, THERE'S AN ACTION ITEM ON AGENDA TO APPROVE UNTIL APPOINT THE TEMPORARY SUPERVISORS.
AND I'M GONNA MAKE, UH, A RECOMMENDATION.
WE, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC TEAM IF WE WON'T TAKE ANY, I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS FOR TWO REASONS.
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GOT THIS AMOUNT OF PAPERWORK LAST WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AND I DID GO TO, UH, WEST TEXAS MUL HONEY, I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON 30,000 ACRES.SO I DID READ IT THURSDAY NIGHT
AND SO I DON'T EVERYBODY HAVE TIME TO LOOK OVER ALL THAT.
I WENT THROUGH, I WENT THROUGH, I WENT, WHATEVER THE SECOND ONE I GOT, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I GOT ONE ONE DAY AND I CAME BACK ANOTHER DAY.
YEAH, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO, TO DO THAT.
AND I, AND ALSO GIVE THEM TIME TO CORRECT SOME OF THE, UH, UH, CROSS TS, DOT THE I WE NEED, WE NEED TO, THE STATUTE REQUIRE A CERTAIN LENGTH OF TIME FROM HEARING TO THE ELECTION.
WE COULD DO IT TODAY IF WE WANTED TO.
WE, WE HAVE, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ACTION TODAY, WE REALIZE THAT'S NOT REALISTIC, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR ACTION PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO ACT ON, ON THE 27TH, THE 27TH MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE PUT ON BOTH MYSELF AND CHRIS JORDAN ARE NOT GONNA BE HERE IN TOWN.
HOWEVER, GEORGE SCHRADER, WHO'S ON THE SECOND, FIRST ROW THERE, GEORGE WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT DAY.
BUT ANYTHING THAT COMES UP BETWEEN NOW THE 27TH, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT, AND I APPRECIATE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME IN THE FUTURE TO, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH THAT WILL WE, YOU HAVE THE CORRECTION DONE BETWEEN THAT AND THE END OF THE MONTH.
THE, THE, THE CORRECTIONS HE'S REFERRING TO DONE BY TOMORROW.
I'M SURE THESE HAVE BEEN FILED.
AND I BELIEVE WE'LL TALK TO, UH, THE ISD TO GET A CORRECTED LETTER HERE TODAY.
YOU'LL GET THAT AND WE'LL SEND ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE NEW INSERTS TO PUT IN THE LETTER FROM SOLUTION JUST TO TIE, BUT I DUNNO, THEY ADDRESS THE PROPERLY, BUT THE FIRST LINE SAYS, AND THEY, THEY IDENTIFIED IT.
JUST SOMEBODY PUT THE WRONG NAME THERE.
WE, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA THE 27TH OF DECEMBER.
OKAY, WE WILL DO WILL, UH, QUESTION ON THE ENGINEER.
SEE HERE HE IS, HE'S GONNA COME UP HERE.
THIS IS MR. BRENT MURPHY FROM DOWTY ANDERSON ENGINEERING IN PLANO, TEXAS BELOW THIS, THIS CONCEPT.
BUT I SEE SOME OF THIS ON THE PAVING PLAN.
YOU'RE SHOWING ON BOAT PROPERTY, YOU'RE SHOWING ACCESS TO I 20.
YEAH, THOSE WILL BE FUTURE ACCESS POINTS WHENEVER THERE'S A FRONTAGE RAIL BUILT UNDER THE BUILT THERE BECAUSE ONE, YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO A RAMP.
THAT'S THAT, THAT'S THE FUTURE PLAN.
SO, SO WHO, WHO WILL DO THE SERVICE ROUTE? UH, THAT'S ON COORDINATED WITH TECH DOT ON AND TIMING.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND TEXTILES PLANS.
THERE'S SOMETHING WHICH YOU HAVE TO COORDINATE THE DEVELOPER TO COORDINATE.
BUT BE, BUT THAT IS NOT GONNA CREATE ANY KIND ISSUE WITH, UH, UH, THERE'S PLENTY OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
NO, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU GOT TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, THERE MAY BE SOME TURN LANES AND THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE ALL 7, 4 1, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
BUT, UH, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE PROPOSED THAT IT'LL FUNCTION FOR WORK WITHOUT THAT RAMP.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY CONCERN FOR THAT RAMP IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET, GET APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE BUILT.
WE, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
IT'S FEASIBLE FROM A STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND SAFETY AND SUCH.
SO, OKAY, THIS IS A REAL, THIS ROAD'S ALREADY HERE.
YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY THIS, THIS IS, YEAH.
ANOTHER PROPERTY'S ON THIS SIDE.
THIS IS THEIR PROPERTY FROM PARKLAND PARKWAY BACK FOUR 20.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? UH, NO.
I, I SAW THAT ON THERE AND I, UH, I KNEW WHAT THE, WHAT THE POLICY WAS AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I WANNA MAKE SURE IT WASN'T GONNA BE AN ISSUE, A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAT HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE ANOTHER DESIGN IF THAT HAD TO BE THERE.
WANT BACK? DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON NUMBER FIVE? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION MADE AND SECONDED, MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
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YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST STAND RIGHT THERE.WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TO GO INTO NEXT ONE.
UH, THE NEXT THING IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF, UH, PROTECTION FOR CREATION OF COTTON COUNTY DISTRICT TEMPORARY SERVICE.
TEMPORARY SUPERVISORS 27TH MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO THE TABLE.
THE NEXT THING IS THE HEARING ON NUMBER SIX, UH, HEARING ON PETITION FOR THE CREATION OF ROBIN COUNTY FRESHWATER.
DISTRICT NUMBER SIX, SUBMITTED BY 2 69 KAMAN COUNTY PARTNERS LIMITED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER HEARING MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
OPPOSED? WE'RE NOW IN A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON NUMBER SIX, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE CREATION OF KAUFMAN COUNTY FIRST WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT NUMBER SIX.
NUMBER SIX IS THE FORNEY EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
NUMBER FIVE WAS THE MESQUITE DT J.
YOU'LL FIND THE BOOK AND FILING, WE BELIEVE MEETS ALL THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO ALL KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT POLICY THAT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND WITH THAT I'LL ALLOW CHRIS JORDAN TO ADDRESS THE FILING.
I REPRESENT 2 69 KAUFMAN PARTNERS FROM HERE IN FAVOR OF THE PETITION FOR CREATION OF, UH,
UH, AS WITH, UH, THE PETITION FOR CREATION OF, UH, FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE, WE PROVIDED YOU WITH THE NOTEBOOK OF EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE PETITION.
UH, AND IT ALSO, UH, CONTAINS, UH, REPORTS FROM THE SAME THREE PROFESSIONALS, UH, REGARDING FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE A MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY, A FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OPINION, AND AN ENGINEERING CREATION REPORT THAT SUPPORTS THE, UH, CREATION OF THE DISTRICT, UH, AND SUPPORTS IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
UH, WE'RE, UH, AVAILABLE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COURT MAY HAVE REGARDING, UH, THIS PETITION.
DON'T, WE'RE GOING DO THE SAME THINGS THAT'S WE DID ON THE OTHER ONE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ANY OTHER PERSONS WANTING TO SPEAK ON FRESHWATER? DISTRICT NUMBER SIX? MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EXIT FOR THE HEARING.
UH, I NEED A MOTION TO GET INTO.
YOU WANT A TABLE? YOU WANT TABLE? DISCUSS THE NEXT ITEM.
UH, ITEM ON, UH, UPON HEARING, GRANTED PETITION FOR ION TO
THE 27TH MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
NEXT ITEM IS JUST DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING DONATION OF SHEET METAL FOR PRECINCT FOUR FROM TOM MANNY.
I'M SORRY, JEFF, AM I STEPPING ON YOUR TOES? NO PROBLEM.
LEMME PUT IT ON AGENDA TO DONATE THIS METAL.
YEAH, HE, UH, HE HAS SOME EXTRA SHEET METAL AND COUNTY NEEDS IT FOR ONE OF THEIR STORAGE FACILITIES.
COMMISSIONER JACKSON, SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR.
HOW MANY MINUTES? THANK YOU TOM O OKAY, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER BOND APPROVING BOND OF LARRY ING KAUFMAN COUNTY FARM MARSHAL.
DO WE, IS LARRY HERE? WE APPOINTED HIM WITH AN ADDITIONAL YEAR OR TWO IN THE, I GUESS WE OUGHT APPROVE BOND MOTION MADE BY GRAY CLARK.
COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
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IN FAVOR SAY AYE.CONSIDER RENEWING MEMBERSHIP OF NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT FOR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS DEPARTMENT AND PAYING ANNUAL FEE.
I GET A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
HOW MUCH IS THE TELL STEVE, WE APPROVED THE DEAL.
DISCUSS, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING MR. PORTER TO DO SOME WORK FOR THE MASTER GARDENER.
UH, THIS MATTER WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME A FEW DAYS AGO.
I, I, I, UH, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM OR SOMETHING ON, ON HOW, UH, MR. PORT'S WORK FOR DOING SOME PROJECTS WITH MASTER GARDENERS HOUSE, THE SOUTH COURTHOUSE, AND, UH, UH, IF THERE IS A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM, I'M APOLOGIZE TO Y'ALL TO START OFF WITH.
UH, HE, UH, I THINK THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM, THIS, UH, NOT A PROBLEM, BUT, UH, THIS PROJECT CAME ABOUT FROM THE GREENHOUSE HAS JUST RECENTLY BEEN COMPLETED, UH, AT THE SOUTH COURT HOUSE.
MASTER GARDENERS ARE GONNA USE THAT TO DO BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
THEY'RE GOING TO GROW PLANTS AND THEY'LL GROW PLANTS FOR PLANT SALES, AND THEN THEY'LL PUT 'EM AT DIFFERENT GARDEN SPOTS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
MR. PORTER GOT INVOLVED IN THIS AND, AND PUTTING IN, IN THE, UH, DOORS IN THE DOOR FRAMES, DOORS, THE IN STRUCTURES THROUGH THE GREENHOUSE, UH, ALL OF THOSE, THAT MATERIAL WAS PAID FOR BY THE MASTER GARDENERS.
UH, I THINK THAT, THAT MR. PORTER ACTUALLY WENT AND CHARGED SOME THINGS TO MCCOY'S AND MASTER GARDENERS REIMBURSED FOR THAT PARTICULAR MATERIAL.
I, UH, QUITE HONESTLY, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE AS ELABORATE AS IT IS, BUT Y'ALL KNOW MR. PORTER WELL AS I DO, HE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING HALFWAY.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING STRUCTURE.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE PUT IN 45 HOURS, UH, OF DOING THAT FOR A TOTAL OF $1,035.
AND THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING NOW.
UH, AND LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK THE MASTER GARDENERS HAVE SELF-GENERATED FUNDS THAT THEY COULD REIMBURSE HIM FAR ON THAT IF, IF THAT, IF THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
UH, I TALKED TO MR. PORTER THE OTHER DAY, AND OF COURSE HE SAID IF HE HAD TO DONATE THAT TIME, HE'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.
EXPECT MY MEMORY, WHICH IS NOT VERY LONG.
DOES ANYBODY RECALL DIFFERENTLY THAN THAT? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, YEAH, I, MY, MY MEMORY OKAY.
WHICH IS NOT VERY GOOD EITHER ANYMORE, BUT WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED THE SOUTH CAMPUS PROJECT, WE GOT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY THROUGH A GRANT, UH, THROUGH, UH, TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD GRANT AND, UH, TRINITY RIVER PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE IN SEA CREEK WATERSHED.
UH, AND THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT STARTED.
BECAUSE IT, IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL, IT IS, IT'S ALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA, UMBRELLA OF AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND EDUCATIONAL GRANT.
WE'VE HAD HAD, UH, OH, I THINK TODAY WE'VE HAD A LITTLE OVER 3000 PEOPLE COME THROUGH THAT FACILITY AS AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.
UH, MR. PORTER GOT INVOLVED IN IT WHEN WE WANTED TO BEAUTIFY A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME WOODWORK, PUTTING THE BRIDGES IN HERE, UH, WRAPPING THOSE WATER TANKS SO THAT THEY WEREN'T, DIDN'T LOOK QUITE SO BAD.
AND, UH, UH, I THINK THAT WE GOT THE ASSUMPTION THEN COME NINE ANOTHER THAT MR. PORTER WAS ON SALARY FOR THE COUNTY $40 A WEEK.
AND HE, HE AND HE DID HIS PROJECTS.
WELL, HE NEVER TOLD US ANY DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
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A MISTAKE ON OUR PART.UH, AND I TAKE THE BLAME FOR THAT, FOR NOT FINDING OUT ALL, ALL THE PARTICULARS.
WE, JUST, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, WE JUST USED HIM LIKE WE WANTED TO
RIGHT? THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY DIED.
THIS PROJECT, IT'S A GREENHOUSE OUT THERE THAT USED LEAKED.
UH, LIKE I SAID, ALL THOSE, ALL THE MATERIAL, THE LABOR, MOST OF THE LABOR, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DID, UH, HELP US WITH SOME PRISON LABOR A COUPLE TIMES ON SOME OF THE HEAVIER LIFT LIFTING.
BUT, UH, UH, ALL OF THAT WAS DONATED BY THE MASTER GARDENER.
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HOURS WE GONE INTO PUTTING THAT GREENHOUSE UP.
HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE AN EDUCATIONAL BENEFIT FROM THE COUNTY.
I, I FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE, THERE'S NO WAY.
IT REALLY CAN'T DO IT AFTER THE, AFTER THE COURT LAST, LAST TIME WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP OVER AND LOOKED AT THE GREENHOUSE, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD THAT MANY BUSHES.
YES, I'D SAY WEEDS, BUT THAT'D GET SHOT.
WE HADN'T QUITE GOT ALL OUR SIGNS UP YET.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A, A, A LONG PROJECT GETTING SIGNS UP, BUT, BUT IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE SIX, 700 CHILDREN COME THROUGH THERE EVERY YEAR, UH, THROUGH THE EARTH DAY PROGRAM.
UH, AND WE EDUCATE THEM ON WATER LITERACY, UH, TEXAS NATIVE PLANTS, UH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT THAT GARDEN IS THERE FOR.
PLUS THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT ANYTIME THEY WANT TO HOPEFULLY HELP HELP THEIR OWN LAND SOURCE.
IT'S A NEAT, IT'S A NEAT LITTLE AREA.
JUST TAKE A, TAKE A WALK THROUGH THERE.
THE LITTLE GARDEN OVER THERE DOING IT IS REALLY NEAT.
IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER LITERACY AND UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SAVE THE WATER TABLES IN TEXAS.
WELL, I THINK THAT THE, UH, PORTION WAS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WAS GONNA TAKE MR. PORT, THE COST WE TALKED, WE DIDN'T KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WHO, WHO'S PAYING THE COUNTY PAYING, UH, WHAT YOU GOT.
I THINK THAT WAS THE COURSE THAT WE HAD.
I I TALKED TO HIM FRIDAY AND THE NOT OF FIGURES.
WELL, THE QUESTION IS, THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO PAY MR. PORTER OR DO WE WANT TO LET IT LET THE MASTER GARDNER PAY? MR. GORDON? I THINK THIS THING IS A BENEFIT TO THE WHOLE COUNTY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A BENEFIT TO THE MASTER GARDENERS.
ONE OF THE ONE YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU'LL BE GROWING SOME PLANTS OUT THERE TO SELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THEY DO THEIR PRODUCTS AND PAY FOR 'EM IS TO SELF GENERATE FUNDS.
WE'LL HAVE A VEGETABLE PROGRAM IN FEBRUARY, UH, A LARGE THING HERE IN COFFIN.
UH, AND THEY WILL HAVE A PLANT SALE DURING THAT PROGRAM, DURING THAT EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, AND THEY'LL TURN AROUND AND PUT THOSE FUNDS.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE STATE'S FIXING TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY LET US DO THIS TOO.
BUT, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THEY TAKE THOSE FUNDS FROM THE PLANT SALE AND TURN AROUND AND PUT IT BACK INTO OTHER PROVINCE THAT THEY DO IN THE COUNTY.
THEY CARRY A BALANCE ABOUT $5,000 FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY USE TO DO THEIR EDUCATION PROGRAMS WITH PERSONALLY, I FEEL LIKE THEIR COUNTY, UH, I, I THINK THE COUNTY'S GETTING A GREAT ADVANTAGE OF THIS.
SO I I, I'M FOR JUST, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PAY MR. PORT BACK OR HOWEVER WE NEED TO DO THAT.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UH, WE DID THE FIGURES JUST THE OTHER DAY, BUT IN 2010, THE MASTER GARDENER GAVE BACK 'EM RIGHT AT 4,700 VOLUNTEER HOURS.
UH, THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE PUTS THE FIGURE ON THAT AT $20 AND 84 CENTS AN HOUR.
THAT'S, UH, ABOUT $96,200 A CHANGE THAT THEY GIVE BACK TO THE COUNTY.
DID I SEE THAT SOMEWHERE? YES, YOU DID.
THAT WAS A GREAT, GREAT PROGRAM.
I'LL HAVE A FORMAL PROGRAM FOR Y'ALL AFTER THE FIRST OF YEAR.
THAT WAS A GREAT, THAT WAS A GREAT PROGRAM.
UH, ANY OTHER, IS THERE ANY LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED IN DOING THIS JOB? I SAW YOU, I SAW YOU DID YOUR EYEBROWS OVER A LITTLE BIT.
I I WAS THINKING THE, THE COUNTY ALREADY HAS AN EXISTING CONTRACT WITH, UH, MR. PORTER, AND, AND IS THERE A CONCERN WITH HAVING HIM DO MORE OR, OR IS AN OUTSIDE HIS CONTRACT? I BELIEVE HE'S A CONTRACTOR.
SO IF HE'S AN EMPLOYEE, IT'D BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION I THINK.
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THE, THE PROBLEM WAS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAD A POLICY PROBABLY NOT WRITTEN THAT NO MONEY, NO COUNTY MONEY WOULD BE SPENT ON THIS SOUTH CAMPUS PROJECT.I REMEMBER HOW WE FIRST BROUGHT THAT SOUTH COURTHOUSE THING UP.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MOST OF THE FUNDS OR THE FUNDS WERE GOING TO BE GENERATED.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST THE COUNTY POLICY THAT OKAY.
I WOULD ASSUME THEY COULD CHANGE.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, OR WAYNE MEMORY CERTAINLY THAT WE WEREN'T PAID FOR ANY.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE MR. PORTER, SO I'LL BE CAREFUL WITH, AND I, I CAN SEE WHERE THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY COULD BE IF THESE GREENHOUSE PLANTS ARE USED ON COUNTY PROPERTY.
THAT MUST BE, THAT'S A NO BRAINER, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT IF IT CAN BE USED, I'M TRYING TO ONE, WE ACTUALLY PAID MONEY FOR ANOTHER ENTITY, ENTITY FROM THE SALE OF THAT.
ARE WE CROSSED ANY KIND OF LINE THERE? NO, NO, NO.
I'M I, HE, HE JUST CLARIFIED SOMETHING FOR ME OF HOW MR. COURTS COMPENSATED THAT'S FINE.
IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE AND, AND, AND IT'S ON A AS SERVED BASIS, SO, OKAY.
I I WAS JUST THINKING IF HE WAS RECEIVING X AMOUNT PER MONTH, WELL HOW IS IT ALL FOR US TO REIMBURSE MR. PORTER FOR THAT OR SHOULD WE NOT? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY LEGAL PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT NO, IT WAS THE COMMISSIONER'S POLICY.
SO Y'ALL CAN, Y'ALL CAN WAIVE IT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO.
SO IF IT'S THE POLICY THAT WE WERE NOT GONNA SPEND ANY MONEY OUT THERE, THEN WHO DO YOU PAY MR FOR? YEAH, THE MASTER GARDENERS WOULD, WOULD REIMBURSE THEM OUT THEIR, THEIR FUNDS.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, I WHAT LEGAL QUESTION FOR DON, I ASKED, YOU SAID THOUGH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING HOW I GUESS WAS, UH, THEY'RE GOING PLANTS OUT THERE TO PUT AROUND THE COURTHOUSE HERE OR MM-HMM
OR EVEN COUNTY PROPERTIES IN THAT GREENHOUSE.
IF THEY'RE USING THAT TO CREATE SOME FUNDS FOR ANOTHER ENTITY, BE THE MASTER GARDNER CLUB, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR, AND KNOW IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT, BUT IS THERE ANY KIND OF SNAFU IN THERE ABOUT, OR THEY, SOMEONE THAT'S ANOTHER ENTITY, RIGHT? THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GOING TO ABOUT CREATING THEIR SELF GENERAT CLUB.
YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, PART THE, ACTUALLY THE MASTER GARDENER FUNDS, WHEN I SAY THE MASTER GARDENER FUNDS, THEY'RE OF COURSE THEY HAVE BYLAWS, THEY HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY, I THINK WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR BYLAWS.
SO THAT ENTITY WOULD DISBANDED THOSE FUNDS WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE EXTENSION OFFICE BASICALLY.
WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD GO BACK IN THE COUNTY CALL IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT ORGANIZATION WAS, THAT'S BAILED OUT IN THEIR, UH, IN THEIR S YOU KNOW, I, WE HAVE FUNDING IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE COUNTY AUDITS THAT FOR US EVERY YEAR.
UH, AND AUDITS THEIR BOOKS EVEN, UH, I DUNNO THE LEGAL PART OF THAT.
WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU THINK IS FOR THE COUNTY'S BENEFIT? A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT IS, IS COUNTY BENEFIT MONEY? I MEAN IF THEY, IF THEY GENERATE, I I THINK IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I MEAN IT'S KEPT IN AN ACCOUNT AND ALL THE MONEY IS SPENT FOR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS WITHIN COLTON COUNTY.
YOU DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO.
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE IT LIKE THAT, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I GET THE ISSUES I GUESS WOULD BE THE OPPRESSION THAT WE'RE SETTING WHEN WE GO BACK AND THIS WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
I DON'T WEAR THE, HOW WE GOT THE HORSE BEHIND THE HORSE OCCASION PROBLEM TO DO WORK.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ALREADY DONE.
JUST, YOU KNOW, MR. PORTER DOESN'T SLOW DOWN.
IT DOESN'T SAY DONE BY TIME HE COMES BECAUSE THE, UH, AGENDA SAYS TO DO WORK THAT WORKS NOT
THE WORDING WOULD BE IMPROPER ON THAT ONE.
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YEAH, IT'S NOT PROBABLY, YEAH.20 IT SHOULD SAY TO POSTPONE UNTIL JANUARY 1ST.
IT SHOULD SAY WHETHER OR NOT TO REIMBURSE MR. PORTER.
CHANGE THAT TO REIMBURSE MR. PORTER FOR WORK DONE.
I THINK THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO CLEAR UP IS YES, WE SAID NOT TO STAND.
WE NEED TO CLEAR THAT UP 27TH.
YOU DON'T, MR. JACKSON? JUST ONE, ONE OTHER POINT THERE IS THE GREENHOUSE.
UH, WHEN WE GOT READY TO PUT IT UP, I, I TALKED TO JUDGE JIM ABOUT PUTTING IT UP AND, UM, AND I THINK I TALKED TO, UH, MR ALSO ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, WRECKING THIS GREENHOUSE AND WHAT IT WAS FAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PERMANENT STRUCTURE ON THE COUNTY GROUND.
NOW Y'ALL OWN THAT GREENHOUSE? IT'S NOT THE MASTER GARDEN OF THE GREENHOUSE.
JERRY, YOU NEED TO GO PAINT IT? YEAH.
WELL, LET'S JUST, WE, THE WORDING IS THAT WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION.
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER STATUS OF COUNTY ROAD 3, 3, 4 IN KAMAN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE BY MRS. SHERRY.
UH, COMMISSIONER JACKSON IS FAMILIAR WITH OUR ROAD
UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM, HE WAS BROUGHT IN DEALING WITH ALL THIS WAS A, UH, PRIOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS, UH, FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL.
BUT, UM, OUR ROADS PROBABLY OVER FIVE YEARS AGO WAS CLOSED OFF ON ONE END OF IT BECAUSE OF A ROCK QUARRY ISSUE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNED THE ROCK QUARRY DEMOLITION THE ROAD.
REROUTED THE ROAD WITHOUT PERMISSION.
OR HE SAID HE HAD PERMISSION, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
UM, THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE FAMILY LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEMOLITION ROAD THAT WE CANNOT GET TO GET THERE.
UM, WE ARE WANTING TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY, AND SO MY HUSBAND GOES UP EVERY WEEKEND TO MOW IT AND CUT DOWN TREES AND ORDER FOR HIM TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING ON THE ROCK QUARRY TO LET US IN TO GET TO OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT A PETITION WAS SIGNED OVER THE SUMMER, I BELIEVE, FROM EVERY, UM, RESIDENT ON THE STREET.
WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED THE ROAD OPENED OR CLOSED.
AT THIS POINT, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
WE DON'T CARE IF THE ROAD IS OPENED OR CLOSED.
THE ONLY REASON WE SIGNED THE PETITION TO CLOSE IT WAS BECAUSE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE FROM DUMPING ANIMALS, KIDS COMING DOWN THERE DRINKING, PEOPLE DUMPING THEIR GARBAGE.
AT THIS POINT, WE JUST WANT BE ABLE TO BUILD OUR HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS ALMOST 60 ACRES THAT WE'RE PAYING TAXES ON THAT WE CAN'T GET TO.
SO, UH, WE JUST WANNA FIND OUT IF, IF IT'S COMING CLOSE TO A RESOLUTION SO WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO.
UH, WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE ANYONE COME OUT TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATES ON STUFF WITHOUT HAVING GOOD PERMISSION TO GO ONTO THE OTHER.
WELL, MR. UH, I, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, LOOKED DEAD.
BUT, UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO, UH, THE WAY HE TOW THE ROAD UP.
AND YOU LANDLOCK ABOUT IT FROM YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET TO IT.
AND I JUST THINK THE ROAD PROBABLY NEED TO BE PUT BACK AT LEAST TO WHERE YOU CAN GET IN.
WELL THAT, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER THOUGHT BECAUSE WE DID TALK TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS THE ROCK FORRY, AND WE SAID IF WE CAN JUST GET A GATE DOWN ON THE PROPERTY, BUT STILL HE PUT A GATE TO WHERE HE HAS REROUTED THE ROAD.
SO IF WE COULD JUST GET HIM TO COME THROUGH AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE ACTUAL ROAD
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TO TEMPORARILY FIX IT, PUT A GATE.WELL, THE ROAD IS NOT HIS PRIMARY.
BUT YOU'RE WANTING HIM TO PUT BACK THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO GET TO YOUR PROPERTY.
AND IT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED WHETHER IF, IF YOU CLOSE THE ROAD, HE WOULD JUST, YOU, I'M NOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE WANTING HIM TO PUT IT BACK AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KAUFMAN COUNTY WOULD PUT THE ROAD BACK.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO BE AMAN COUNTY VEHICLE.
UH, THE ROAD PRIOR TO THAT, BEFORE IT WAS CLOSED OFF, IT'S JUST A DIRT ROAD.
IF IT RAINED, YOU COULDN'T GO ON IT, YOU KNOW, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE PULLED OUT WITH A TRACTOR THAT'S RIGHT THERE OFF 4 29.
I, I'VE SEEN WE, WE ALSO STILL HAVE LEGAL ISSUES.
JOHN MAY CAN, CAN, UH, UP ON THIS, WHAT WAS FILED BACK IN OH FIVE.
THERE WAS AN INJUNCTION ON THE ROAD.
AND THEN, AND IT KIND OF SET THE NUMBER FOR SOME YEARS RECENTLY, BUT CASE WAS RESOLVED.
BUT, UH, IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING NOTHING'S BEEN DONE BY THE LANDOWNER.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, HE, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I GOT WAS HE PUT THE ROAD BACK OR PUT ALTERNATE ROAD IN, NEITHER ONE HAS BEEN DONE.
THERE IS AN ALTERNATE ROAD, THE THE ORIGINAL ALTERNATE ROAD THAT HE PUT IN, BUT THERE'S STILL A AMOUNT OF DIRT THAT LITERALLY IT TAKES, I CAN EITHER WALK THE WALK IT, I DID TRY TO GO OVER IT WITH MY SUV AND GOT STUCK, UH, TO GET TO MY PROPERTY.
SO I HAD TO BE PULLED OFF OF THAT.
UM, BUT THERE IS A DECENT ROAD TO GET TO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOT A GATE OR ANYTHING THERE OR THERE'S NOT A WAY JUST TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
ARE ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S AN ALTERNATE ROAD, BUT THERE IS AN INSTRUCTION? YES, IT'S, IT'S THE ORIGINAL ALTERNATE ROAD THAT HE PUT IN.
'CAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, HE HAS RECEIVED A LETTER RELEASING HIM TO BE ALLOWED BACK ONTO THAT PROPERTY.
SO HE HAS COME AND GRADED THE ROAD AND HAS AGREED THAT HE WOULD BE, HE WOULD BE FINE WITH PUTTING A FENCE UP RIGHT THERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO A GATE TO GET TO OUR PROPERTY UNTIL THE ISSUE IS RESOLVED.
WELL, IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATE ROAD, DOES THAT MAKE IT A COUNTY ROAD? CAN YOU, YOU LEGALLY GO OUT THERE AND WORK ON IT? IF IT'S A
UH, I LIKE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF, WAS IT 2 54? WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO IDENTIFY A COUNTY ROAD.
WENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
AND AT THAT POINT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SAID THIS IS A ROAD, THE COUNTY MAINTAINS IT.
EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK UP, SAY YES OR NO.
OR THIS IS NOT A COUNTY ROAD AND THIS IS YOUR ROAD.
COMMISSIONER IS A COUNTY ROAD.
BUT WE'RE, IT GO A LOT OF COUNTY, A LOT OF MY COUNTY ROADS WILL GO UP TO A CERTAIN POINT AND STOP.
THIS ONE DIDN'T, IT WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THIS ONE DIDN'T STOP UNTIL THE WALK, CRAWL COME TO IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO 3 35.
YOU COULD, IT IT DOES THE MAP INDICATE THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE A HORSESHOE WHERE 4 29 COMES OUT, THE BACK TRUCK GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THEN WHEN HE WAS TAKEN, I WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT ONE TIME.
FISH ROAD AROUND, UH, WE STATUE ALLOWS US TO REPAIR A ROAD AND CHARGE THE PERSON THE DAMAGE.
CAN WE, THE LAKE, CAN WE JUST BUILD A ROAD BACK THE WAY THE COUNTY DOES IT AND SEND HIM A BILL? AND THAT'S SIMPLIFYING IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM WHAT SHE SAID, THAT THAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS THE OBSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE REMOVED MORE THAN, IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN RIGHT.
BUT THAT, THAT ROAD IS HIS PROPERTY.
SO IF WE MOVE THE OBSTRUCTION AND JUST LEAVE IT OPEN AND IT'S A MOUND.
UM, ANYONE, YOU KNOW, TRESPASS AND KAUFMAN, UNFORTUNATELY, KAUFMAN COUNTY SHERIFFS WERE CONSTANTLY OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE KIDS, THE ROCK 40 PITS AND THE KIDS OUT THERE AND UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE DUMPING AND ALL THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.
I JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE WANTING TO BUILD A HOUSE.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE DONE THERE TO HELP YOU GET BACK TO YOUR PROPERTY? IS THERE AN EXEMPTION THAT YOU COULD GET FROM WHOEVER OWNS THE OTHER PROPERTY? UM, NOW HE SAID THAT, UH, WHICH CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IF, IF HE, IF THE ROAD WAS CLOSED AND IT BECAME WHOEVER'S PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S HIS OR IF IT WOULD BE OURS, 'CAUSE IT GOES DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, TO OUR GATE MM-HMM
UM, THAT HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, UPKEEP THAT ROAD.
WELL THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN UP FOR SALE BEFORE.
AND SO IF HE SELLS THAT PROPERTY, SURE.
YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND AND I, IT, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, GOOD SIZE ROAD.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD ROUTE.
I DON'T THINK I WANNA GO THAT ROUTE.
I DON'T THINK YOU, IF YOU WANT ANYTHING, YOU WANT THE ROAD PUT BACK.
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AND THAT WAY THE COUNTY CAN MAINTAIN THE ROAD.EVEN IF HE SELL, IF HE LEAVE WHATEVER HE DOES NOW, WHAT? BECAUSE OF ALL THE ISSUES WE HAD PRIOR TO EVERYONE COMING OUT ON THAT ROAD, SPEEDING DOWN OUR ROAD, UM, IT COULD END RIGHT PAST OUR GATE BECAUSE IT'S STILL QUITE A WAYS TO GO AROUND AND HIT 3 35.
WE WOULD BE JUST AS HAPPY WITH IT JUST DEAD ENDING, YOU KNOW, PAST OUR GATE TO, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL OUR PROPERTY BACK THERE ANYWAY, TO WHERE WE COULD GET TO AT LEAST GET IN THE GATE.
I SURE WOULDN'T DEPEND ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A DEED AT EASEMENT TO.
I WOULDN'T EITHER BEFORE I, BEFORE I BUILT ANYTHING DEPENDING ON THAT EASEMENT THAT HE SAYS YOU CAN HAVE.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A NEEDED EASEMENT.
JC IF YOU PUT THE ROAD BACK, THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO 3 35.
IT IS GONNA COST A LOT ACCESS TO YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S GONNA COST A LOT MONEY.
IS THAT PRETTY, PRETTY DEEP DOWN IN THERE? OR? WELL, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
IF YOU GOT DEEP BURN ON EAST SIDE.
THERE'S A BIG, THERE'S A BIG WATER HOLE OVER HERE.
THERE'S A 20, ABOUT A 20 PLUS ACRE LAKE, WHICH IS WHERE WE SIT NOW WITH SEVERAL OTHER, UM, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THEN, UH, ON THE, ON HIS SIDE, ON THE ROCK PRAIRIE SIDE, THERE'S TWO OR THREE DEEP WATER, WHICH WHAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE TEENAGERS COMING DOWN THERE, WE JUST KNEW ONE DAY WE WERE GOING HEAR THAT SOMEONE HAD DROWN OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OUT THERE.
SO IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AND A LIFE ISSUE.
THAT THE COUNTY ON PUTTING THE ROAD BACK OR HE PAY FOR OR WHAT THE COUNTY PAID FOR, YOU STILL HAVE THOSE ISSUES? WELL, WE'D HAVE TO SUE THAT GUY THAT, UH, WAS DOING ALL THE DIGGING, WASN'T WE? WELL, I THINK THERE WAS ALREADY A LAWSUIT.
ALL THIS WAS DONE BEFORE I GOT HERE, I THINK IS JOHN HAS, I MEAN HE'S, WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS, I MEAN, HE'S BEEN MORE THAN WILLING TO COME OUT AND, AND DO WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ALLOWING HIM TO DO IT.
SO, AND HIS SUGGESTION WAS TO ABANDON THE ROAD AND LET HIM FIX IT SO SHE CAN GET TO IT.
THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO COUNTY INSPECT.
BUT STILL YOU TAKE A BIG CHANGE STILL.
IF HE SELLS THAT PROPERTY, GIMME AN EASEMENT, DEEDED EASEMENT, THEN I'LL TALK TO YOU.
BUT NOT BEFORE YOU GIMME A DEED EASEMENT.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU A LEGAL, LEGAL
I'M NOT BUYING AND I'M NOT DOING ANY PROPERTY UNLESS I HAVE A RIGHT.
THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF THAT PROPERTY SOLD, ARE YOU SAYING HE WOULD DO IT? YES.
HE'S SAYING THAT HE, HE HAS BROUGHT IN ACTUALLY ROCK.
HE HAS STUFF, EQUIPMENT THERE TO START THE ROAD.
HE JUST NEEDS FOR SOMEONE TO TELL HIM HIM.
HE CAN START PUTTING THE ROAD BACK IF HE WANTED TO PUT 3 34 BACK JUST LIKE IT WAS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
DOES HE WANT TO USE THE ALTERNATE PART? NO, HE WANTS TO PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND, AND MAKE SURE THE LIABILITY AND SAFETY ISSUES ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
I ALMOST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE LIKE THAT.
THEN IT WILL BE A COUNTY ROAD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MEETING COUNTY SPECIAL HAS SPECIFICATION.
YOU WANT THAT FOR UTILITY COUNTY SPEC CONCRETE.
IT'S JUST GROWN UP AND UH, ALRIGHT.
UH, I DO A GUARDRAIL AND, AND EVERYTHING.
I WAS THINKING A GUARDRAIL ONE.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE PREVIOUS COMMISSION.
WE'LL GO SEE IF I CAN GIVE YOU YOUR ROLE, SO, OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.
JIM, COULD YOU PUT ME ON THE LIST, PLEASE? COME UP HERE.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME? PUT MAY I BE ON THE LIST ON 3 34? YES.
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OKAY,[01:34:48]
JUDGE.HE SAYS HE GOES ON PAST LUNCH.
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KELLY PRUITT, WHO? I RECOGNIZE THAT NAME.WHERE'S SHE AT? YEAH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT.
I READ ALL THAT BECAUSE, 'CAUSE I HEARD I ONLY GET THREE MINUTES OR WHATEVER.
SO THIS IS ALL THREE MINUTES WORTH, I GUARANTEE.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, LETTING ME, I HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS WHAT COUNTY ROAD 3 34 LOOKED LIKE IN 1995 WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY.
AND TODAY IT LOOKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, I HAVE PICTURES HERE SHOWING THE ROAD HOW IT LOOKS NOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ROAD REOPENED OKAY.
TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE AS IT WAS WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, UH, MR. BELL WAS SAYING THAT THEY ALSO WANTED THE ROAD REOPENED.
WELL, THEY HAD SIGNED A PETITION SAYING THEY WANTED TO CLOSE.
AND, UM, ANYWAY, WE, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN MAJOR ISSUES OUT THERE.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SIX YEARS.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON WHO TORE UP THE ROAD, MR. BOBBY PANKO, UH, ROCK SOLID CRUSHING COMPANY SHOULD HAVE TO PUT THE ROAD BACK THE WAY THAT IT WAS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AS A BODY MAKES THE DECISION ABOUT THESE ROADS, BUT I KNOW THAT NO DECISIONS, THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DID NOT GIVE THE BLESSING FOR THE COUNTY ROAD TO BE TORN UP.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, AND I ALSO HAVE A, UM, I THINK THIS CAME BEFORE THE COURT ONE DONE, AND I THINK WE VOTED TO MAKE HIM STOP DOING WHATEVER IT WAS HE WAS DOING.
IF IT, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
UM, ANYWAY, THEN, THEN I ALSO HAD A SHEET HERE OF, UM, THIS WAS BACK IN 19, UH, I MEAN IN 2005, UM, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ALL GAVE THEIR PERMISSION, UH, TO DETOUR THE COUNTY ROAD, WHICH I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S, UH, LEGAL.
WE PUT THAT ALTERNATE ROAD AROUND IT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUS, THE BUS CANNOT COME DOWN OUR ROAD.
THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AMBULANCE, FIRE TRUCKS, THEY CANNOT COME DOWN OUR ROAD.
THE WATER COMPANY CANNOT GET TO THEIR WATER LINES EXCEPT FOR GOING THROUGH THE ROCK PIT.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THEIR PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THAT THE ROAD SHOULD BE, IT WAS, IT WAS A BIBLE MAINTAINED ROAD FROM WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY FROM 1995 UNTIL 2004.
WELL, I DON'T DON'T THINK SHE MINDS IF IT'S OPEN.
UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD ANYWAY.
WE HAD A ORIGINALLY, UM, PETITION FOR IT TO BE CLOSED JUST TO KEEP THE RIP WRAP AND THE PEOPLE FROM DUMPING, UM, OUT THERE.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE AND DO WHATEVER YOU FEEL IS IS BEST FOR THE ROAD.
IT SOUND LIKE BOTH OF YOU WANT THE SAME THING.
WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SIGNED A PETITION SAYING THEY WANTED THE ROAD, BUT THIS IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING THAT'S DIFFERENT.
I JUST EXPLAINED THAT THAT WAS BECAUSE YOU, BEFORE WE DID HAVE PEOPLE SPEEDING DOWN THAT ROAD.
WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF TEENAGERS, ALL HOURS OF TIME DRINKING.
THERE WAS A DRUG LAB ACTUALLY SET UP ON THE PROPERTY THAT, THAT MY FATHER-IN-LAW OWNS THAT NEVER, HE NEVER WENT TO THE PROPERTY.
AND KAUFMAN COUNTY CAME OUT THERE AND FOUND THIS DRUG LAB THAT HAD BEEN ABANDONED.
SO, I MEAN, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WHEN THE ROAD WAS GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
SHE JUST USED UP HER YEAR AGO.
WELL, ANYWAY, THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S TIME FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SIX YEARS AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WE DIDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVE OUT THERE TO, TO HAVE ALL THIS GOING ON.
AND, UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK WE'LL COME, WE'LL COME TO COURT WOULD CONSIDER.
UM, FIXING TWO CODE COUNTY ROAD 3 34.
SO AM I, WAS MY TIME UP YOUR TIME? YES, THANK YOU.
JC IS THAT A ROCK ROAD NOW? NO, NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, NEXT IS, UH, KEN.
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YOU WANNA GO FIRST? UH, THAT'S WHAT KENNETH SAID.UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE Y'ALL KIND OF, KIND OF A BACKGROUND SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I CAN'T DO IT IN THREE MINUTES.
UH, SO Y'ALL, IT WAS COUNT THREE MINUTES.
IF Y'ALL WILL INDULGE ME A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IN, UH, I GUESS IT WAS 2006, NO, 2004, 2005.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE CALLED ME AND SAID, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING I WANT, I WANT TO SHOW YOU.
HE TOOK ME OUT THERE TO THE COUNTY ROAD AND, UH, THERE WAS A ROCK PIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
AND, UM, UH, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OLD LITTLE AVENUE TUNE.
PUT IT BACK, PUT 'EM BACK THE WAY.
THERE WAS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT, BUT, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE THEME HERE.
UH, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE WAS ROCK PIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
I'M HERE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN HERE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
THE ROCK THAT WAS UNDER THAT ROAD, I BELIEVE WAS THE PROPERTY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.
AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IF A GUY ROBBED A BANK, HAVING TO BRING THE MONEY BACK AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY.
THE GUY HAS BEEN SAYING HE WOULD FIX IT FOR YEARS, AND HE, AND NOTHING STOPPED HIM FROM, FROM FIXING THE ROAD.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE GOT, UH, AN ENGINEER TO DO AN ESTIMATE, AND I, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE ENGINEER SAID IT WAS GONNA COST $800,000 TO PUT THE ROAD BACK THE WAY IT WAS, BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE DONE IN LIFTS.
THERE'S A HUGE HOLE IN THE GROUND.
AND, AND YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU CAN'T JUST THROW DIRT IN THE HOLE AND, UH, AND HAVE IT WORK.
IT'S GOTTA BE DONE A FEW INCHES AT A TIME.
IT'S GOTTA BE COMPACTED TO GET IT UP WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
UM, AND, UM, WE TOOK KENNETH, SHANE AND I, COMMISSIONER SHANE AND I WENT AND GOT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
WE TOOK THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OUT THERE AND SHOWED HIM HE, YOU KNOW, HE COULDN'T BELIEVE ANYBODY HAD TO CALL AND DO THAT.
AND SO HE PUT AN INJUNCTION IN PLACE.
UH, SOMETIME LATER, COMMISSIONER SHANE CALLED ME AGAIN AND THERE WAS A NEW VEIN CUT ACROSS THE ROAD THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE THE INJUNCTION, UM, TO, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
AND, UH, UH, THE, THE GUY HAD MINED EVEN MORE ROCK.
UH, ALSO THERE'S THAT 20 ACRE LAKE THAT'S THERE AND THE, THE ROCK PIT IS LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE, THE LAKE, WHICH THE LAKE IS IN SERIOUS DANGER OF, OF, OF BEING DESTROYED.
AND ONCE YOU GET INTO THAT, YOU LOSE PROPERTY VALUE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, UH, BUT THIS THING HAS GONE ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
WE KNOW HERE'S THE, HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW.
IN MY OPINION, SOMEBODY HAS STOLEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF COUNTY PROPERTY AND NOBODY'S BEEN PROSECUTED FOR IT.
AND, UH, BESIDES GETTING THE GUY TO FIX THE ROAD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO ASK THAT, THAT THERE BE A PROSECUTION BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MONEY STOLEN, IN MY OPINION, FROM THE TAXPAYERS OF KAMAN COUNTY.
UH, AND I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO DO THAT AND, AND TO EXPECT THE GUY TO SPEND $800,000 TO FIX THAT ROAD.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND I SURE DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO SPEND $800,000 OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY TO PUT A ROAD BACK THAT SOMEBODY ELSE PROFIT PROFITED FROM.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE BACKGROUND.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CHANNEL FOUR, UH, NEWS STORY OUT THERE ABOUT IT THAT Y'ALL ARE WELL TO GO LOOK AT.
BUT IT'S GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME.
AND LIKE I SAY, UH, I PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THE GUY'S GOING TO FIX IT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
AND, UM, WHETHER HE DOES OR NOT, I THINK, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROSECUTION.
THANK, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? OKAY.
YOU WANTED FIVE MINUTES? YEAH, LEMME HEAR MY FIVE MINUTES.
I'M COMING NOW AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
THE BIG ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE PROBLEM WAS COPELAND COUNTY WAS BUYING THE ROCK FROM ROCK SOLID FOR $7 AND 20 CENTS A TON.
HUNT COUNTY WAS GETTING THE ROCK FOR $4 AND 20 CENTS A TON.
THAT'S HOW MR. PAN COOK WAS DOING BUSINESS.
AND SO ANYWAY, AND HE WAS TRYING TO SELL IT BOTH WAYS, BUT ANYWAY, HE
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WAS SELLING OFF A ROCK.BUT, UH, AS I, AS I REMEMBER ALL THAT, AND WHEN I LEFT OFFICE, MR. LONG AND MYSELF AND MR. GREEN, HIS ATTORNEY FROM GREENVILLE HAD GOTTEN TOGETHER AND I BELIEVE IN YOUR OFFICE, IN YOUR, UH, BOBCAT WITH THEIR SPEED A DEAL WHERE WE'VE MADE A DEAL PREVENT TO PUT THE ROAD BACK WHEN I WAS LEAVING OFFICE, REMEMBER JOHN, WHEN YOU COME OUT THERE AND WE DROVE UP THERE AND LOOK AT IT AND VISITED MR. GREEN
IT HAS NOT BEEN NOTHING DONE TO THIS DAY.
AND YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO OBTAIN THE ROAD UNLESS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IT.
NO WAY CAN ANYBODY DAMAGE AT COUNTY ROAD.
YOU CAN MAKE 'EM PAY FOR DAMAGES AND, AND TAKE THEM AND TAKE CARE OF THE COUNTY.
YOU OWE THAT TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.
UH, 3 34 GOES INTO 3 35, WHICH GOES INTO HILLSIDE VILLAGE OVER THERE, WHICH IS A REAL NICE ADDITION THAT OVERLOOKS LAKE EE OVER THERE.
YEAH, THOSE PEOPLE ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF, OF HUNT COUNTY, BUT THEY TRAVEL KAUFMAN COUNTY ROAD 3 35 AND 3 34 TO GET TO TWO PLACES.
AND ABOUT, UH, I WANNA SAY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, I HAD A CALL FROM THE LADY THAT HER HOUSE BURNED THROUGH GROUND OVER HILLSIDE.
IF THE KAUFMAN, IF ABEL SPRINGS FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD HAVE GOTTEN TO HER HOUSE, THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAVED IT, BUT THEY HAD TO GO ANOTHER SIX MILES AROUND TO GO UP 4 29 TO 3 35 TO COME DOWN LIVE TO GET INTO HILLSIDE AND, AND SIX MINUTES IN A FIRE.
AS YOU KNOW, MR. JACKSON IS A LOT OF THAT LOTS HAPPENS JUST A FEW MINUTES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS AN ISSUE OF SAFETY AND IT'S, AND IT'S AN ISSUE OF DOING RIGHT THING FOR OUR COUNTY.
AND THIS MAN JUST ABSOLUTELY STOLE A ROAD, LAUGHED AT US ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK AND HAS LEFT US WITH A PROBLEM WHERE WE HAVE NEIGHBORS FIGHTING NEIGHBORS AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR THIS.
WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF OURSELVES AS LEADERS OF THIS COUNTY.
WELL, I AGREE WITH, WITH THE SPEAKERS, THE ROAD NEED TO BE PUT BACK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, UH, THE LEGAL ISSUES.
I DON'T THINK, UH, MR. PAN COOK IS GOING TO SPEND $800,000, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, THIS HAPPENED IN 2004, 2005.
IF HE DIDN'T PUT IT BACK DURING COMMISSIONER SHANE TERM HERE, WHAT LEGAL ACTION CAN WE TAKE THEN TO HAVE HIM PUT IT BACK? IT NEED TO BE PUT BACK, GET A BIGGER STATE IF, IF, UH, THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF ALL THE PAPERWORK.
HEY, JOHN, TO PUT IT BACK, WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN PUT IT BACK? THIS WAS JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, PAPERWORK TO CLEAR HIM, HAVE ACCESS TO PROPERTY.
IT WAS JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT HE RECEIVED DOCUMENTATION WHERE HE COULD ACTUALLY GO BACK ON THAT PROPERTY.
THE ROCK FOR OWNER, HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM THAT PROPERTY FOR ALMOST SIX YEARS.
NO, HE CARRIED ME THROUGH THE PROPERTY SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE TO DO ANY WORK ON THE PROPERTY, TO DO ANY WORK ON THE PROPERTY TO ANY WORK.
HE, WE WERE TOLD THAT HAD BANNED HIM FROM BEING ON THAT PROPERTY TO DO ANY WORK AT ALL UNTIL THE LAWSUIT WAS DISSOLVED.
OH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE RESTRICTION WAS FOR HIM NOT TO MINE.
NO, HE WAS NOT DOING ANYTHING UNTIL THE LAWSUIT WAS, WELL, I THINK, WELL, YOU I HAVE COMMISSION, SHANE.
IS THAT WHAT THAT WHAT IT WAS? THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
DID YOU FILE IT TO KEEP IT FROM MINE? THE ROCK OFF OF YOU STOPPED IT WHEN YOU WENT OFF STOPPED, BUT HE JUST KEPT ON MINING ANYWAY.
I THINK HE MADE A DEAL WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR.
WE JUST, I THOUGHT YOU FILED JOHNSON TO STOP IT.
I THINK HE PROMISED SOME NEIGHBOR ALSO THAT HE WOULD GIVE THEM ALL THE ROCK THAT THEY NEED OR WHATEVER FROM THEIR DRIVEWAY THAT OKAY, LET, LET, LET'S CONTINUE YOUR ON WITH THE HEARING, BUT PAULA WEBER MINE STORY IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS THERE.
WE WANT THE, WE WANT THE ROAD OPEN.
UM, THIS PAST SUMMER WE HAD TO MAKE SEVERAL REPAIRS FOR THAT MINE.
AND, AND TO GET INTO THE ROCK PIT WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT WHEN IT'S RAINED IS, UM, QUITE AN ORDEAL FOR US.
IT'S NOT SAFE AND IT, IT, IT COULD CAUSE DAMAGE TO OUR EQUIPMENT.
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THE SAME WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.THEY HAVE NO WAY OF GETTING INTO THIS AREA.
UH, IF SHE WAS TO BUILD A HOUSE BACK IN THE PIECE
WE NEED THAT OPEN TO MAINTAIN OUR LINE.
THERE'S ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE THAT'S KIND OF COVERED UP IN THAT AREA THAT WE, WE NEED ACCESS TO IT.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON BEHALF OF WATER.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE LIVE AT 18 6 9 2 3 3 4.
I CAN ACCESS PERSONALLY THAT, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN GET THERE BECAUSE THEY PICKED UP MY MOTHER AND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW.
CAN THEY GET THROUGH THERE? NO, SIR.
AND AS FAR AS, UH, BOBBY
BUT WE'RE SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT THAT WE CAN'T GIVE AWAY SOMETHING WE GOING ON.
AND UH, THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO ASK IS, IS THIS, IS THAT THERE WAS FIVE GUYS THAT SAT IN BOBBY PAN'S OFFICE UP THERE WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER IVAN JOHNSON GAVE HIM PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
WELL, SIR, THAT BEFORE I GOT HERE.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, KNOW ABOUT THEY DID.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN WRITING FROM THAT AT ALL? I DON'T.
THE COMMISSIONER WAS THERE AND HIS, UM, I DUNNO IF YOU WHAT HIS SECRETARY OR WHAT HE IS THAT WAS OVER THE ROADS AND STUFF, BUT, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I KNOW IS EVEN IF A COMMISSIONER GIVE YOU PERMISSION, HAVE TO COME THROUGH COMMISSION COURT, COURT COMMISSIONER SAY WHAT HE WANTS THAT IT WON'T HOLD UP UNLESS YOU COME THROUGH.
I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT IN FACT, HE WAS AT A MEETING AND GAVE HIM VERBAL PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
SO, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, IS THAT YOU SENT A PETITION OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN? NO, THEY CAME, GOT A PETITION IF THEY WANTED.
WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE SIGNED YOU HAD SENT OUT THERE, AND THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO OPEN IS THIS IS BECAUSE IT WAS A DUMPING GROUND.
AND SHE SAID IT WAS A, A MASS ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
YOU COULDN'T GET THROUGH THERE WHEN IT RAINED.
AND WE LIVED OUT THERE FOR 10 YEARS AND WE HAD NOT SEEN ONE PIECE OF S PUTTING OUT THERE ON THAT ROAD.
UH, WAS IT A ROCK ROAD OR WAS IT BIG? IT WAS A ROCK ROAD THAT HADN'T BEEN MAINTAINED BECAUSE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COUNTIES WE PULLED OUT THERE WHEN IT GET STUCK DOWN THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE WANT ACCESS TO THE ROAD, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF YOU GUYS OPEN THAT THING UP THAT THE COUNTY MAINTAINS IT AND THEY KEEP IT PICKED UP BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR, FOUR PETS OUT OF OUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW THAT PEOPLE JUMPED OFF OUT THERE WHEN THAT ROADS OPEN.
OKAY, WELL I'M GONNA TELL YOU THIS, IF THE ROAD OPEN, OPEN UP, IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE PEOPLE FROM DUMPING.
IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE PEOPLE FROM PUTTING ANIMALS OUT.
WHATEVER THEY'VE BEEN DOING, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYMORE.
EXCEPT GIVE HER ACCESS TO HER PROPERTY SO SHE CAN BUILD HER HOUSE.
AND THIS THE DEAL IS, IT IS THE ORIGINAL COUNTY ROAD.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, THEY'RE GOING TO DUMP IN BECAUSE THERE'S NO HOUSES UP IN THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO STUFF, BUT WE CAN'T DEPRIVE HER.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING FROM ACCESS TO HER.
DON'T YOU HAVE ACCESS OFF OF 3 35 TO THAT PROPERTY? NO.
NO, BECAUSE IT, IT'S, THERE'S A BIG AMOUNT OF DIRT, 3 35 IF NEED 3 35.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD PREFER TO COME THAT WAY ANYWAY.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
AND NUMBER ONE, THAT ROAD SHOULD NEVER BEEN TORE UP.
AND IF IT'S A COUNTY ROAD, I THINK IT NEED TO BE PUT BACK.
BUT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, THAT THAT WAS OUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE, UH, WATER DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE JUST, WE JUST DIDN'T WANT THE STUFF.
AND I, I'VE TALKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THEIR ROLE.
THEY, THEY BASICALLY SAY THEY GOOD OR DIDN'T NEED THE MOTION, BUT THEY STILL NEED, WE JUST, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO BE MAINTAIN AND PEOPLE DON'T DOWN THERE THAT WE CAN CALL YOU, CALL YOU, COME IT UP.
UM, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO ON THIS? IT SAYS, DOESN'T CONSIDER THE STATUS, STATUS
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STATUS, STATUS IN MAGIC IS IN BAD SHAPE AND IT'S STILL CLOSING.I THINK WHAT THEY WANT TO KNOW IS, UH, CAN WE REOPEN AND GET THE WORK DONE ON IT? AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT PROCESS DO WE NEED TO TAKE? WELL, IF, IF IT IS ON THE COUNTER MAP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
AND NEVER WAS, YOU CAN MAINTAIN A ROAD OR YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN MAINTAIN IT OR NOT MAINTAIN.
IT'S UP TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO IT OR NOT, BUT IT ALLOWS YOU TO LEGAL MECHANISM THAT YOU CAN WORK ON THAT ROAD.
THAT TWO 50, IT'S ON THE COUNTY ROAD MAP AT 2 51 I GAVE YOU, UH, AUTHORIZES YOU TO REPAIR IT AND BUILD THE PERSON DAMAGE MAYBE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY ONLY HAD, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY HAD THE MONEY TO DO IT.
THEN, THEN GET WITH HIM AND MAKE HIM DO IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD.
DO GIVE HIM EITHER OR EITHER HE DOES IT OR WE DO IT AND WE, WE MAY OWN A ROCK PIT.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S YOUR OPTION NEEDS.
WHAT I HEAR TODAY IS IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OF DOES THERE'S SOME CRIMINAL ACTIONS COULD BE TAKEN TO PLACE THAT TIME.
BUT I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE VIOLATION IS.
I MEAN, IF THEY CHARGED US MORE THAN ANOTHER GUY, IT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS.
I KNOW THE FACT THAT IF HE OWNS THE PROPERTY PIECE PROPERTY, I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT THAT THROUGH.
KEN ROADMAP CAME IN AFTER THIS VIOLATION ALREADY HAD ALREADY OCCURRED, HAVEN'T MAY HAVE.
I'M NOT GOING, I JUST WANT TO READ SOMETHING JUST HERE.
HERE'S WHERE, WHERE I'M FROM, A PERSONAL OPERATOR OR A MOVE VEHICLE OBJECT PUBLIC ROAD OR IS LIABLE FOR DAMAGE SUSTAINED BY THE ROAD OR BRIDGE AS A RESULT OF NEGLIGENT, UH, THE COUNTY JUDGE BY APPROPRIATE LEGAL ACTION MAY RECOVER DAMAGES FOR WHICH LIABILITY IS PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION.
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SHALL REPRESENT THE COUNTY IN THE MAXIMUM OF THIS SUBSECTION DAMAGE COLLECTED UNDER THIS SUBSECTION FOR THE USE OF THE COUNTY TO BENEFIT THE DAMAGED ROAD OR BRIDGE.
WE HAVE IN THIS TRANSPORTATION CODE 2 51.
UH, I'VE USED IT A COUPLE TIMES TO, UH, EITHER THEY, EITHER THEY, EITHER THEY BUILD THE ROAD BACK UP OR WE'LL DO IT AND BUILD HIM.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN GOING ON OVER THE 2 51.
AND TRANSPORTATION CODE 51 WHAT? 51 DASH ONE.
UM, OKAY, SO WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER THE STATUS
THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIRECTION GOING TO DO THAT JUST LEGALLY WHAT DIRECTIONS WE NEED GO.
CAN WE TAKE, GET THIS DONE? YEAH.
WHY? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN VOTE ON TODAY, BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU AND I GET TOGETHER AND PERHAPS THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTY OWNERS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND CLEARLY WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND WITH ALSO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYONE MAY NOT BE HAPPY AT THE END OF IT, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THE CHANCE TO DIAL UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING, WE'RE OKAY.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT? LET TABLE THAT BECAUSE BETTER, I GUESS.
AND, UH, I GUESS I'M NOT ABOUT ON THE SAME PAGE NOW, BUT SHE'S THE ONE THAT WOULD THE MOST YOU NEED TO GET TO THE HOUSE.
I HEAR A MOTION TO TABLE THAT I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE MOTION MADE BY MR. JACKSON BY MR. CLARK.
NEXT ITEM DISCUSSING, OH, ALL IN FAVOR.
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER COUNTY ROAD USE BY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN KAUFMAN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE AS REQUESTED BY MR. WILLIAM MORLEY AND MR. JOE W. RICE.
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OKAY, MR. MORLEY, WHAT YOU GOT? UH, GENTLEMAN.I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN THIS COUNTY SINCE 1984.
UM, I LIVED IN PRECINCT THREE AT THAT TIME.
I OWN ABOUT A THOUSAND ACRES OUT THERE AND ENJOY LIVING OUT THE COUNTRY.
UH, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THAT AREA IS WE HAVE COUNTY ROADS THAT THESE ROCK QUA THAT WORK OUT THERE, ONCE THEY WORK IN AN AREA THEY HAVE IN THE PAST HAVE BASICALLY TAKEN CONTROL OF THESE ROADS AND FOR THE LIFE OF IT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE.
WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING AT ALL.
THIS WAS DURING, UH, IVAN JOHNSON'S TIME.
AND, UH, IT, IT HAS COME TO OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND SO I'M HERE TODAY TO URGE YOU TO ADOPT DOCK ON THESE COUNTY ROADS THAT THESE ROCK QUAS TRY TO USE AS HAUL ROADS TO BAN ALL THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UH, I'VE GOT COPIES HERE IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY AND PASS 'EM AROUND.
UH, ATTORNEY GENERAL GREG ABBOTT HAS SENT TO A FELLOW COUNTY OF YOURS TO SOMERVILLE COUNTY ATTORNEY RONALD D HANKINS.
AND IN THE VERY BACK PAGE, THE SUMMARY SAYS THAT COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS THE ABILITY TO BAN ALL THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC ON A PORTION OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE THAT ADOPTED, ESPECIALLY WHERE THESE COUNTY ARE AFFECTED BY THE TRUCKS.
THE SCHOOL BUSES CAN'T GET THROUGH.
UH, PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO CHURCH, THEY CAN'T USE THE ROADS FOR THE TYPE OF PUBLIC THOROUGH AFFAIRS IS DESIGNED FOR JOHN.
DO WE HAVE THE, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BAN ALL THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC ON COUNTY ROADS? YES, YOU DO.
AND I DIDN'T FIND THIS OUT UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND IT JUST SURPRISED ME.
TRANSPORTATION CODE 2 51 0.151.
UH, THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IN MY LAST TWO AND A HALF MINUTES IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 80.
YOU'RE ON THE, YOU'RE ON THE AGENDA, SO, OH, I CAN SPEAK AWAY.
I MINUTES GETTING CLOSE TO 10 TIMES.
UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 80, THIS THERE IN, IN COMMISSIONER JACKSON'S PRECINCT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF A, THERE'S A ROCK FORRY RIGHT NOW.
THEY WERE USING COUNTY ROAD THREE 17.
THEY HAVE ASKED PERMISSION FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON TO START USING COUNTY ROAD THREE 14 AND THE PIT SITS RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTY ROADS.
BUT WHEN THEY USED THREE 17, IT WAS NOT A HAZARD DUE TO THE FACT THAT NOBODY LIVED ON THAT ROAD.
I MEAN, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ONE FAMILY, AM I CORRECT ON THREE 14? THERE'S MULTIPLE FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON THREE 14 AND TRAVEL TO AND FROM TERRELL WILLS POINT, UH, DAILY TO GO TO CHURCH SCHOOL, SCHOOL BUSES TRAVELED THE ROAD.
AND A FACT THAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THE, THE, THE ROCK QUARRY RIGHT ACROSS THE HIGHWAY IN THE SIX YEARS THAT IT WAS IN OPERATION, THERE WAS 77,018 WHEELERS THAT TRAVELED THAT HALF MILE STRIP.
THERE WAS A GIRL KILLED ON THREE 14 IN 1995 DUE TO THE DETERIORATION OF THE COUNTY ROAD FROM THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE WAS A PERSON KILLED ON 80 RIGHT ACROSS COUNTY ROAD THREE 14 BECAUSE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC CAME OUT, STOPPED ON THE RAILROAD TRACK, TRAIN CAME, THEY HAD TO GET OFF THE TRACK.
THEY PULLED OUT IN 70 MILE AN HOUR.
I'VE GOT A STATUTE RIGHT HERE IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE THAT SAYS THAT, UH, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND IT IS SECTION 5 45 0.302.
IT SAYS THAT AN OPERATOR MAY NOT STOP, STAND, OR PARK A VEHICLE ON NUMBER EIGHT, A RAILROAD TRACK.
AND THAT WAS GOING ON 77,000 TIMES DEARMAN BACK IN THE, IN THE NINETIES.
AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT THESE ROCK QUARRIES,
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BUT THESE ROCK QUARRIES ARE USING OUR COUNTY ROADS AS A HAUL ROAD.AND WE'VE GOT THE TOOLS NOW, GENTLEMEN, TO PROHIBIT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
AND WE'RE REQUESTING YOU AS YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO IMPOSE A BAN ON THESE TRUCK, ON TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THESE COUNTY ROADS.
UH, WE AS TAXPAYERS, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING TO FIX THEIR ROADS.
WE DON'T COLLECT ANY TAXES FROM THEM EXCEPT FOR THE ACTUAL LANDOWNER.
WELL, THAT LAND IS IN AGRICULTURE, SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING A PREMIUM WHERE THESE GUYS ARE MAKING MULTIMILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND YOU GOT 77,000 TRUCKS TRAVELING DOWN AND YOU GOT, I I I'VE SEEN, I WAS THERE WHEN THE GIRL DIED AND I HAD TO CHECK HER PULSE.
AND THAT WAS IN NINE FIVE WHEN THE JOB, NINE FIVE WHEN NICOLE HARDING DIED BECAUSE THE ROAD DETERIORATION SO BAD, HER MOTHER HIT THE DITCH, THE THE RUTS FROM THE TRUCKS AND SHE LOST CONTROL OF THE JEEP AND TOOK THE JEEP AND KILLED THE GIRL.
AND I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS THING SINCE THEN.
UH, I THINK THESE, THESE ROCK PARTIES MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE GOOD CORPORATE NEIGHBORS.
THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD INVEST IN OUR COUNTY, INVEST IN GOOD ROADWAYS TO GET THEM OUT TO A STATE FUNDED HIGHWAY.
AND IF THEY DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED ACCESS FOR OUR COUNTY ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO TODAY, IS TO PURSUE THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN DOWN, UH, 9 8, 9 8.
THAT'S NICOLE RIGHT THERE, GENTLEMEN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER HER.
WHAT DO, UM, WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IS AS TIME GOES BY THREE 17, WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM, COMMISSIONER.
THE REASON WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM IS ALL THAT TRUCK TRAFFIC HAD TO GO EAST TO GET TO A ROAD THAT THEY COULD TRAVEL A FARM TO MARKET ROAD.
THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO MEDIA IN IT THERE, SO THEY COULDN'T COME OUT AND GO WEST.
SO ALL THE TRAFFIC CAME OUT AND WENT ONE DIRECTION, ONE DIRECTION ONLY.
AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND, IF YOU ALLOW 'EM TO USE THESE AREAS, THESE, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IS THEY'RE TARGETING THESE SPECIFIC COUNTY ROADS WHERE THEY CAN GO EAST AND WEST WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THE ROCK QUA.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS THOSE TRUCK DRIVERS GET SO BUNCHED UP, THEY GET OUT IN HIGHWAY 80, 70 MILE AN HOUR TRAFFIC.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE KIDS TEXTING ON THESE CELL PHONES GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY, GOING TO SCHOOL, AND THESE TRUCKS ARE GONNA HAVE BOTH LANES AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET KILLED AGAIN.
THAT'LL HAPPEN WHEN YOU START, LET 'EM GO EAST AND WEST BECAUSE THEY'RE PUSHING EACH OTHER OUT.
THESE GUYS WANT TO GO, THEY WANT TO DELIVER THEIR LOADS.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S A TERRIBLE SITUATION.
ARE YOU SAYING YOU CAN BAN TRUCK TRAFFIC OR YOU CAN PUT WEIGHT LIMITS ON NO, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CANNOT PROHIBIT YOU PUT WAIVER LIMITS ON 'EM IF THEY HAVE THAT PUT CERTIFICATE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT LIFTS THEM, OVERLOAD THAT, THAT WEIGHTMAN DOES NO GOOD.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, ENFORCING AN OVERWEIGHT TRUCK, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFOR AN OVERWEIGHT TRUCK.
I UNDERSTAND IT TAKES TWO OR THREE DEPUTIES TO GO TRAIN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IN CREATING A LOAD LIMIT FOR OUR ROADS.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT, SIR.
YOU'RE JUST ASKING TO BAN 'EM.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO BAN 'EM OUTRIGHT ON COUNTY ROADS THAT WHERE THESE ROCK QUARRIES WERE BECAUSE THEY'RE USING YOUR COUNTY ROADS AND OUR COUNTY ROADS AS A HAUL ROAD TO HAUL THEIR PRODUCT TO TOWN.
AND IF THEY'RE MAKING THAT KIND OF MONEY, THEN BEING A GOOD CORPORATE THERE, BUT THEY SHOULD BUY, PUT, PUT THAT MUCH INVESTMENT, JUST LIKE Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THE GUY THAT TOOK THE ROAD.
THESE PEOPLE LIVE DOWN THERE, UH, AND HE'S MAKING ALL THE MONEY OFF THAT ROCK.
THEY'RE MAKING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF THIS ROCK THAT THEY'RE SELLING TO THE HIGHWAY.
THE THE THE COFFMAN COUNTY, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT QUALITY ROCK.
YOU'RE GETTING WHAT THEY CALL SCREENS.
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN IT RAINS AND WE TRAVEL DOWN THESE COUNTY ROADS, THAT ROCK IS MUSH THE NEXT DAY.
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT MY BUSINESS.
BUT THE, THE ROCK THAT THEY'RE TAKING OUT, THAT THAT WILL GRADE, THEY USE THAT FOR SPACE ON STATE FUNDED HIGHWAYS AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE OUT HERE MINING ALL AROUND HERE SO MUCH.
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I'M VERY, I'M INTERESTED IN, I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM AND, UH, I MADE A CLAIM TO THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY.THIS IS ONE COMPANY THAT WAS DOING IT ALL AND THEY HAD AN OVERLOAD WEIGHT BOND, BUT THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY PAID 30 OR $40,000 TO ME TO FIX MY ROAD.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT EVERY TIME THAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT YOU GET INTO.
IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THESE GUYS TO REBUILD THIS ROAD FOR HOW LONG? SIX YEARS.
I COULDN'T GET TO MY PROPERTY FOR SIX YEARS.
MR. RICE, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? MY NAME'S JOE RICE AND I LIVE IN WILLS POINT.
I OWN A PROPERTY IN KAUFMAN FOR, UH, ABOUT 20 YEARS, AND MY SON NOW OWNS IT.
AND THAT'S MY INTEREST IN THIS.
UH, I TRAVEL OUT THERE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
IS IT PERMISSIBLE TO, UH, GIVE THOSE NUMBERS? YES.
I THINK AS YOU I DO TELL HIM I'M HARD OF HEARING.
WHAT, I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THIS, UH, THIS IS, UH, POLITICAL EVERY TIME I, UH, ASK SOMEBODY FOR SOME HELP, PHIL GRAHAM, HE SAYS, UH, IT IS A LOCAL ISSUE.
AND, UH, UH, GOT, UH, HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT SAID THAT, UH, HE HAD HIS WINDSHIELD BROKE TOO.
ONE OF 'EM SAID IT IS A, UH, UH, FACT THAT, UH, NATURE MOTHER NATURE BROKE HIS WINDSHIELD
AND THEN YOU CAN'T GET ANYBODY TO SAY, IT'S MY FAULT.
EVERYBODY PASSES A BUCK ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UH, EPA IS WORKING WITH US AT THIS TIME.
HERE'S A, A LIST OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT LIVE HAVE BEEN ABUSED AND THIS, THIS IS AROUND, UH, THREE 50 NOW.
THE THE COMING PROBLEM IS, UM, MORE LIKELY TO BE, UH, NORTH OF 80.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GET THIS AND SEE WHAT, UH, ROADS, UH, COMMISSIONER JACKSON IS THE ONLY ONE AFFECTED BY ALL THAT.
THE ONLY COMMISSIONER'S GOT THOSE ROCK FOR YOU.
SO THIS WILL BE TO LOOK AT AND GET RID OF IF, UH, I, I GUESS IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE I WOULD PICK THIS STUFF UP AT SOME LATER DATE.
YOU JUST HAD A PICTURE OF THAT DEATH.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF ANOTHER DEATH AT THREE 50 WHERE THE RAIL CROSSING IS.
AND THIS IS ROCK TRUCK RELATED.
THIS IS ALL NEW STUFF ABOUT, UH, LAWSUIT, UH, RECORDS GETTING DESTROYED, POLICE FORCE GETTING, UH, MONEY TO BUY A VEST WITH THAT, UH, FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE, THAT TOWN.
AND YOU CAN, CAN LOOK AT THESE ITEMS. I GUESS I COULD PICK THAT UP AT YOUR PLACE MAYBE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
WHEN THEY FINISH LOOKING AT OUT, I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, HERE'S, UH, PICTURES YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT.
THIS IS, UH, TRUCKS, WHEN THEY CROSSED THE TRACKS, THEY JUST HAD CROSSED THE TRACKS.
THEY CAN'T CROSS THE TRACKS ANYWHERE BETWEEN CAROL AND WILL'S POINT.
AND UH, OUR, OUR PURPOSE HERE IS TO PREVENT THE TAKEOVER OF OUR COUNTY ROADS BY A PRIVATE COMPANY.
AND OUR, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, THERE ARE THE PEOPLE, THE VOTERS AND THE, UH, TAXPAYERS AND ANYBODY TRYING TO USE THOSE ROADS.
UH, THE PRIVATE COMPANY WOULD BE ANY COMPANY TRYING TO ESTABLISH A MULTI-YEAR, UH, LEASE FOR CRUSHING ROCK OR ANY OTHER PRODUCT REQUIRING THE, UH, ESTABLISHMENT OF A HAUL ROAD.
UH, THIS LEASE OUT HERE, UH, NORTH OF 80 IS A 10 YEAR LEASE.
AND, UH, IT'S A BRAND NEW LEASE.
SO WE GOT 10 MORE YEARS OF PEOPLE GETTING KILLED ON THE RAILROAD TRACK AND, UH, DAMAGE TO OUR PROPERTY.
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COMPANY IS, UH, TRINITY ENTITY AND THEY HAVE THREE AIR PERMITS.42 0 7 3 IS ON, UH, COUNTY ROAD THREE 17.
THEY TOOK OVER THAT ROAD COUNTY ROAD THREE 17 BY MASSIVE USE.
UH, I HEARD, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHEN, UH, SOMEBODY TAKES A ROAD OVER LIKE THAT, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE TO SAY THAT'S ALL RIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE A FACT.
AND THEN THEIR OTHER PERMIT IS 85 0 88 DOWN ON THREE 14.
AND THEN THE NEW ONE IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST ONE AT 91, 1 50 IS THERE AIR PERMIT.
AND IT'S OUT COUNTY ROAD 3 46 BY THE CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY IF ANYBODY'S BEEN OUT THAT WAY.
AND, UH, THEY'RE GONNA, UH, THEY HAVE BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD LEASED.
AND AT A MEETING WE HAD, UH, WITH TCEQ, UH, IN PROTEST TO THIS, THE, UH, ENGINEER FOR THAT COMPANY SAID THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PRESSURE ON ONE SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 3 46 AND THE QUARRY ON THE OTHER.
SO THEY'LL BE TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THAT ROAD WITH UTES.
UH, THEY WON'T BE LICENSED AND THEY WON'T, UH, HAVE INSPECTION STICKER.
THEY'LL BE BURNING OFF ROAD FUEL AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP FOR, UH, THE LOCAL TRAFFIC.
UM, MOST OF THE, UH, SITE OPERATION IS, UH, IS NOT THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ROAD MANAGEMENT AND TRAFFIC SAFETY AND ENFORCEMENT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OR THE DUTY OF THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S RIGHT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I READ ON THE INTERNET UNDER Y'ALL'S NAMES.
SO WAS THAT ELECTION YEAR? I DIDN'T PUT IT.
UH, THE MOST SERIOUS, UH, ACCIDENTS OF COURSE HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
UH, THERE'S A ONE DEATH ON THREE 50 AND 80 AND THEN, UH, ON THREE 14 THAT WAS WAY OFF THE HIGHWAY.
IT WAS JUST, UH, DUE, BOTH OF 'EM WERE, UH, DUE TO THE ABUSE AND THE OVERUSE OF THE ROADS.
NOW THAT INFORMATION, UH, CAME TO ME, UH, FROM THE NEWSPAPER AND, UH, YOU HAVE COPIES OF THAT.
THERE'S ALSO HEAVY PROPERTY DAMAGE NORTH OF US 80 ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
I HEARD 'EM TALKING ABOUT, UH, THAT ROAD THAT'S GONE.
AND I'M AWARE OF THAT AS I READ THAT IN THE PAPER TOO.
BUT THERE'S SOME PROPERTY UP ON 3 46 DURING THE TIME THAT, UH, THE COUNTY WAS PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UH, ROCK CRUSHER TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS.
AND YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF THAT WHERE THEY MADE A PARTNERSHIP FOR ONE YEAR.
WELL, DURING THAT TIME, A LOT OF DAMAGE UP AT 3 46 WAS DONE.
UH, I KNOW, UH, I SEE A MAN, IT'S A IS FENCE WAS PUSHED DOWN AND HE HAD LEASED CATTLE ON IT, HAD A AG EXEMPTION AND UH, HE DIDN'T WANT TO OR COULDN'T.
HE WAS WAITING ON SOMEBODY TO PUT HIS FENCE BACK.
SO HE DIDN'T HAVE CATTLE ONS THE NEXT YEAR AND HE LOST HIS AG EXEMPTION AND COUNTY CHARGED HIM, UH, COMMERCIAL TAX ON THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF, UH, GIVING HIM HIS, UH, AG EXEMPTION THAT HE'D HAD FOR MANY YEARS.
AND THEN WE GOT, UH, AND THIS LEMME INTERRUPT.
LISTEN, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL USE OF THAT COUNTY ROAD, PLEASE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHERE THEY GO ACROSS IT? YEAH, I OPINION THEY CAN'T GO ACROSS IT.
THEY CAN'T GO WITHOUT REGISTER.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT, JOHN? THEY CAN'T USE UNREGISTER VEHICLES ON A COUNTY ROAD SHERIFF'S? RIGHT.
SITTING RIGHT BACK THERE, SHERIFF, DID YOU HEAR THAT? THE QUESTION IS, CAN CAN ROCK PIT USE UNREGISTERED VE VEHICLES ON A COUNTY ROAD? WELL, THEY GO PUBLIC ROAD, WHETHER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LEGAL, I DON'T BELIEVE BY THE STATE LAW EITHER THEY CAN USE THAT UNTAXED FUEL TO COME ACROSS THAT, THAT PUBLIC ROADWAY EITHER.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, LIKE YOU SAID ON LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THEY, THEY REGULATE THAT ONCE THEY HIT A
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COUNTY, THE PUBLIC ROADWAY, THE VEHICLE HAS TO BE, UNLESS IT'S REGISTERED AS, YOU KNOW, HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR IF IT'S A MOTOR VEHICLE, IT'S GOTTA BE LEGAL.UH, IF THEY WERE UTILIZING THAT ROAD, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR TO HAVE ROCK ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND ROCK ON THIS SIDE ROAD GO BACK AND FORTH TO ACROSS THE ROAD.
SO, UH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.
GIVE THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REGULATION THAT YOU HAVE WHERE IT SAYS YOU CAN CLOSE A COUNTY ROAD.
THAT'S THE VERY BACK SHEET OF THE, THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU.
THE KEY, THE KEY WORD THAT IS THROUGH, THROUGH TRUCK, THROUGH TRAFFIC ALSO, UH, THAT, UH, THAT PERMIT THAT'S LOCATED NORTH OF 80, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET, TO GET ON 80, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS THE, THE RAIL THERE, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY.
AND THERE'S NOT A CROSSING BETWEEN WILLS POINT AND CARROLL THAT GIVES 'EM 40 FOOT, MORE THAN 40 FOOT CLEARANCE FROM THE STOP SIGN ON THE HIGHWAY TO THE RAIL.
AND, UH, I TALKED TO THE UNION PACIFIC POLICE AND THEY TELL ME THAT, UH, THE LOCAL POLICE HAVE THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY FOR, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THE STOP SIGN ON THE HIGHWAY, UH, IS OBEYED AND THAT, UH, NO CROSS, NO STOPPING ON THE RAIL.
THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE, UH, LOCAL POLICE, WHICH, UH, IN CITIES IT'S CITIES.
AND I ASSUME NOW IT'D BE THE COUNTY AND PROBABLY THE UH, UH, TRUTH.
NOW THEN, UH, WOULD IT TAKE JOHN, WOULD IT TAKE A, UH, A COURT ORDER TO HAVE NO STOPPING ON RAILROAD TRACK? THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T, I DON'T WHO WE HAVE.
WE HAVE TO COURT, WE HAVE TO DO THE, I HAVEN'T TO THE STATUTE, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
IF IT'S STATE LAW, UNLESS IT REQUIRES, THEN IT'S STATE LAW.
IF IT 5 45 3 0 2, AND I, I HAVEN'T READ THROUGH IT, BUT UNLESS THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THEY THAT KEEPS, UH, THIS FROM HAPPENING.
HE DIDN'T GET KILLED, BUT HE CRIPPLED UP.
I REMEMBER THAT WHEN IT HAPPENED.
LET ME, UH, LET ME, LET ME JUST STOP YOU JUST A MINUTE HERE.
EVERYTHING WE'VE SAID IS, IS VALID, BUT THE SIMPLEST THING IS TO BRING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, GET APPROVAL IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT, PUT A KNOW THROUGH TRUCK, SIGN UP THERE AND LET THE SHERIFF ENFORCE IT.
I MEAN WE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BASIC BOTTOM LINE.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, PUT IT ON THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AGENDA, BRING IT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, IDENTIFY THE SIGN, AND, UH, THE COMMISSION COURT APPROVES IT AND THEN THEY, THEY GO OUT AND PUT THE SIGN.
WELL, I THOUGHT, UH,
I'M NOT, NOT, UH, BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, UH, I THINK I'M DOING THAT NOW.
BUT, BUT THAT WE ALL, WE ALL HEAR YOU.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE DEAL THAT MR. LEY AND MR. WRIGHT, THEY NOT ASK FOR A PARTICULAR ROAD.
NOW I SAID THE COUNTY ROADS THAT THE ROCK PARTIES INFECTED IS WHAT I SEEN.
THAT BE PUT IN PAPER, THAT BE POSTED ON SPECIFIC ROADS.
WHICH ROAD NEED TO BE CLOSED AND PUBLIC HEARING AUDIT THAT COUNTY ROAD 3 46 FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT'S ONE YOU WONDER OR NOT FAIR.
WE ANOTHER HEARING THE STOP SIGN.
HOW MANY TABLES? I GUESS MY NEXT PORTION, MY NEXT PORTION WOULD BE WE JUST TAKE ONE.
DO YOU NEED A PETITION LIKE, UH, MR. A PETITION? WE ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT AGENDA? YES.
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QUESTION.MR. MR. MARLEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET A COMMISSIONER TO MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL GET OUT OF THIS.
SO, UH, I AIN'T THROUGH BROTHER.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO HELP YOU OUT.
WE ARE THROUGH, THERE'S OTHER PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF AND I WANT MAKE YOU AWARE OF THEM AND DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
BUT I CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE I ONLY GOT ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
I HAVE TO GO BY WHAT'S ON HERE.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.
DID YOU GET PICTURE OF, UH, THAT OTHER ROAD? OKAY.
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ROAD USE BY VEHICLE PRECINCT THREE AS REQUESTED BY MR. MORE.
AND MR. WRIGHT? UH, TABLE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
THE NEXT THING IS DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER SIGNED REQUEST FOR COUNTY ROAD 3 46 AND MICHAEL NOTLEY AND COMAN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE.
MS. HUGHES, UM, I HAVE PREPARED REMARKS, BUT I'M GONNA SHORTEN OFF
I'M A RESIDENT OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.
I LIVE AT 1 1 6 4 2 COUNTY ROAD 3 46 AND I'M HERE TODAY AS A CONCERN CITIZEN.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENCE AT 3 46.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, UH, ROCK, UH, QUARRY, CRUSHER, UH, QUESTION.
IT, IT SEEMS TO ME, JUST TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE AND NOT PLOW THE GROUND TO, TO GET A PERMIT APPROVED.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
THEY ONLY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MINING ROCK.
AND TRANSPORTATION IS THE CRITICAL ISSUE FOR US.
AND OUR ROADS WERE BUILT LONG BEFORE THEY KNEW ABOUT 80 OH 8,000 POUND ROCK HAUL COUNTY ROAD 3 46 AND A TWO MILE STRETCH HAS 4 9 3 TURNS.
IT'S, UH, IT'S BUILT ON A SANDY LONG SOIL.
WHEN IT RAINS, THE DITCHES FILLED WITH SAND.
THE WATER SITS, IT GENERALLY DRAINS FROM NORTHEAST TO SOUTH SOUTHWEST.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A BIG PRE FOR THAT WATER TO DRAINAGE.
THE WATER PRECINCT THREE DOES A GREAT JOB OF MAINTAINING THE ROAD, BUT IT'S LIGHTLY USED.
UH, WERE GRADED ABOUT ONCE A MONTH.
UH,
WELL, YOU PUT A 45 FOOT LONG GRAVEL HAULER ON THAT ROAD AND HE CANNOT STAY IN LANE AND YOU CAN'T STOP AND YOU CAN'T STOP IT.
IT'S A SCHOOL BUS OUT IN THE WINTERTIME.
WATER COLLECTS ALONG THAT ROAD SO IT TURNS SOMEBODY, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE WEIGHT BEARING CAPABILITY OF THOSE ROADS 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT THEY WERE LIKE, I KNOW FOR SURE THAT COUNTY ROAD 3 46 IS ON A 1953 MAP, BUT CEDAR GROVE WAS FIRST BECOME A COMMUNITY IN THE 1840S.
THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY OLD ROAD.
AND, UH, IT WON'T BEAR THE TRAFFIC IN ADDITION.
AND I, I'VE GOT A CHART HERE, OR A MAP AND YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT IT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, I JUST HANDED IT TO AROUND, BUT WHERE THAT ROAD PASSES MY FRONT GATE, THERE ARE TWO LIQUID NATURAL GAS PIPELINES ACROSS THAT ROAD.
AND I CAN'T GET ANYBODY AT, UH, THEY'RE OPERATED BY ONE OAK AND BY ENERGY TRANSFER.
AND I CAN GET NO ONE TO TELL ME AT WHAT DEPTH THEY CROSS THE ROAD AT.
SO YOU GOT A ROAD THAT'S GOT A MUD BOTTLE OR CLAY OR, OR SAND, AND YOU GOT 80,000 POUND TRUCKS TRAVELING ACROSS IT.
UH, AND THOSE PIPELINES WERE PUT IN THE GROUND WITH A 50 YEAR PLANNED LIFE.
THE EASEMENTS ON MY PROPERTY WERE GRANTED
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IN 1961 AND 1973.THAT MEANS NEXT YEAR IS THE 50 YEARS.
SO WE, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THOSE PIPELINES.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THEY'RE PROTECTED THE ROAD'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR THOSE 80,000 POUND TRUCKS.
IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, THAT, UH, YOU'RE GIVEN THE AUTHORITY UNDER 2 51 0.151 TO RESTRICT THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY HAS DONE IT AS AN EXAMPLE OF OTHER COUNTIES.
DID IT DONE? UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO.
UH, THOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, UH, IT'S UH, THE TRANSPORTATION CODE 2 51 0.15.
THE THE NUMBER 77,000 CAME OUT
AND YOU USE A 23 YARD BELLY DUMP TRUCK, WHICH IS THE STANDARD LOADER LIMIT.
AS THEY OPERATE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 200 IN, 200 OUT EVERY MINUTE.
45 SECONDS ARE GONNA COST THOSE 500.
CONSIDER, SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CLOSE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS THAT YOU CLOSE THAT THROUGH TRUCKS.
YOU COULD PROBABLY FIND THAT ANSWER TO THE DEPTH OF THAT PIPELINE IF YOU WANT THROUGH.
I THEN GO TO THE MILL SMALLY FOUNDATION OVER, I WENT TO THE SMALLY FOUNDATION.
UH, AND WHEN I TOLD 'EM THAT, WHEN I BUILT IN MY PLACE, THE GUYS CAME OUT AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THE PIPELINE WAS AT ABOUT FIVE FEET.
WHEN I TALKED TO THE SMALLY PEOPLE ABOUT IT, THEY SAID, IF YOU'RE FIVE FEET, YOU'RE REALLY BLESSED.
HE SAYS MOST OF 'EM ARE A LOT SHALLOWER THAN THAT.
NOW THE, THE ENGINEER AT ONE OF SAID, WELL, IT SHOULD BE DEEPER WHERE IT CROSSES AT.
BUT WHAT I'M SEEING IS A SUB BASE ON THAT ROAD.
I USED TO WORK ON THE ENGINEERING CREW FOR HIGHWAY PERMIT.
YOU KNOW, THAT ROAD WAS NEVER EXCAVATED.
IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT IN AND BACK AND PUT ON, YOU KNOW, A 12 INCH BASE OR WHATEVER.
AN ENGINEER WOULD TELL YOU THAT.
UH, SO YOU, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
JUST GET, I GET A LIST OF ROAD UP.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PEOPLE HERE FOR.
BUT I CAN GET LIST OF OTHER THOSE.
WHAT, WHAT? JUST, JUST BECAUSE ANGIE TOLD ME
WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE HERE? DISCUSS AND CONSIDER HOW SHOULD REPLACEMENT EMPLOYEE TO FILL EXISTING VACANCY ROAD COUNTY.
THESE, THESE POSITION I ASKED GOING BACK INTO, I DIDN'T HIRE ANYBODY BUT TALKING ABOUT THE SIXTH DAY.
SO THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED ONCE I TALKED TO JUDGE ONE AND THE OTHER ONE IS MECHANICAL.
CONSIDER APPROVING REQUEST OF CENTURYLINK TO BURY A CABLE ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S IN PRECINCT FOUR.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BY ALL IN FAVOR.
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I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A JUDGE.BECAUSE I NEED COPIES TO JC IF YOU DON'T MIND.
ANY OF RUNDOWN COMING END OF DECEMBER.
WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE BIG EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE WE KIND OF DID.
WHAT IS THAT SHOULDN'T BE YOUR CALL TO SAY THAT.
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OKAY.YOU KNOW WHAT THAT AVERAGE, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE? THE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
HUH? WHAT'S THE EQUIPMENT? THAT THAT, WHAT'S HIS NAME? KATE'S HAD, IT'S HIS, IT'S HIS.
THAT SOUND AN EXHIBIT NUMBER FOR FOR TALKING ABOUT DESK AND CHAIRS.
BUT IT CAME BACK THREATEN TO SEND HIM JAIL.
JERRY? HE TRIED TO TAKE A CUE FROM HIM NOT DOING ON A FEW THINGS.
PUT A GUY'S NAME ON THE AGENDA.
HE CAN GET AS MUCH TIME AS HIS DON'T MUCH NAME ON THE AGENDA.
GIVE HIM AS MUCH TIME AS HE WANTS.
OF COURSE HE COULDN'T HEAR ME.
ANYBODY NAME FIX US TOO FROM THEM TO, BUT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT.
YOU, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS PUT WASTE LIMIT.
THE SHERIFF PUT WHOLE TRUCK, THE SHERIFF.
WHAT THEY MEAN? THEY JUST CAN'T THROUGH.
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THEY CAN'T JUST GO RIGHT STRAIGHT THROUGH THE B.THEY CAN'T GO FROM THIS END ROAD.
WELL THIS IS, WHAT DO YOU NEED? THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY WANT USE IT LIKE A THOUSAND FOOT ROAD.
HUH? THAT'S ALL ABOUT A THOUSAND FOOT.
GET TO THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I THINK YOU CAN DO LIKE I DID OUT HERE.
I TOOK PICTURES OF THE ROAD BEFORE MAYBE TOO.
THEY TAKEN BEFORE I TOOK PICTURES AFTERWARDS I MADE A CLAIM AGAINST THEIR INSURANCE AND THEY PAID IT EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT HAVE TO DO THAT TO DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
COME IN, YOU DON'T DRIVER TRYING TO GET SOMETHING.
AND PROBLEM IS THE THAT OUT ABOUT IT AND SAY DEMONSTRATE ASPHALT THAT LITTLE BIT TO FIX IT TO THE POINT WHERE THE LAST BID WE GOT 74,000.
MEANING THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE THE ROAD, THIS IS BIG LAKE THAT USED TO BE A PIT.
AND THEY CUT IT RIGHT HERE AND STOPPED.
AND OF COURSE THIS WAS THE COUNTY ROAD.
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WELL HE CUT ALL THIS UP.ACTUALLY THEY WENT OUT THAT WAY SOMEHOW.
HOW LONG IS IT FROM, HOW THE SPAN WOULD YOU NEED FOR WELL HE CUT THE WHOLE ROAD OFF ROAD BACK.
I, WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, THEY WERE JUST DUG UP TO HERE AND WE ACTUALLY DROVE ACROSS THIS UH, I SEEN THAT BIG LAKE.
HE CAME AND TOLD ME, UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE DEPTH OF THAT ROAD AND THE WIDTH? THE DEPTH OF THE LENGTH.
THE LENGTH? HOW LONG BE LIKE STATE GUARD? BECAUSE I DROP HERE.
JERRY, WHAT'D YOU SAY? HE BE THE SENIOR.
HE'S GONNA BE THE SENIOR COMMISSIONER HERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
YOU SAID YOU USE THAT POWER TOO? I'M GONNA USE THAT POWER TO GET WHAT I WANT.
HEY, YOU ABLE TO MR. RICE? NEITHER ONE OF ANYBODY NEED A PAPERWEIGHT.
YOU NEED A PAPERWEIGHT? I GOT SOME.
THEY GET THAT, THAT'S LEFTOVERS FROM A COUNTERTOP.
IS TURVILLE GOING BACK TO FLORIDA OR SOMEWHERE? WELL, I HADN'T HEARD THAT.
SOMEBODY SAID HE WAS WRITTEN URBAN MEYER.
I THINK HE, SOMEBODY SAID THEY WERE TALKING TO HIM.
HE, HE DID SUCH A GREAT JOB OUT THERE.
EVERYBODY I LIKE TO GET COUPLE.
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WON.THEY CAN'T STOP ANYBODY IN THE FOURTH QUARTER WHEN THEY JUST, EVERY TIME THEY JUST CAN'T.
THAT LAST DRIVE WHEN THEY HAD TO STOP THEM, THEY WOULD GETTING 12.
IT WAS LIKE THE WORST DRIVE STOP.
OKAY GUYS, ONE MORE COMMISSIONER'S.
NOW PAY SOME BILLS PRETTY HOW THEY WANNA PAY BILLS AND PEOPLE THAT GET CITIZEN STUFF, LIKE HAVE THEIR MONEY.
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT THROUGH MINE WITHOUT HOW I, WE ALREADY SO, SO I THOUGHT WE BORROWED 1,000,003.
WHAT DO YOU THINK I GOT OUTTA IT? YEAH, BUT I, I PROOF THREE DISCOVER THAT I GOT WAS IT THAT WAS IT TURNED? NO, WE TURNED DOWN 3 MILLION.
I SO I THOUGHT WE BORROWED 1,000,002.
YOU SEE IT? WE RECORDED FORWARD FROM, FROM HERE.
I THOUGHT A LOAN REQUEST WAS AN OBJECTIVE.
I THINK THEY WOULDN'T WAS OKAY.
I'M NOT SURE THEY'LL KNOW NEXT YEAR.
I JUST HOPE THE ECONOMY GETS A LITTLE BETTER.
OR WE, I PAY MY MONEY SOON AS I GOT MY MONEY FOR A CHRISTMAS THING.
I, I ASKED, I SAID HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING ON THIS? CERTAIN, HOW ARE YOU GETTING? 0.5%.
I HEAR MOTION TO MOTION MADE BY MR. CLARK, TAKEN BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
AND JERRY MADE A MOTION TO PREPARE TO DO IT.
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WELL IT.