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          THANK YOU TO JOIN US NOW AND STAND AS WE HAVE THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG, AS WELL AS THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          AND I'VE ASKED COMMISSIONER MANNING TO DO THAT FOR US. 
          THAT'S PRAY. 
          DEAR HEAVEN AND FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO COME TOGETHER AND MAKE THE DECISIONS OF THE COUNTY. 
          BLESS US, AND GIVE US GUIDANCE AS WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COUNTY AND OUR PEOPLE. 
          PROTECT THE TROOPS, LORD, OVERSEAS, KEEP THEM IN YOUR HAND. 
          HELP US, LORD, TO LIVE AS YOU WOULD HAVE US TO DO. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          I TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL UNDER WAY ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE, STATE, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS REMARKS FROM VISITORS. 
          AND I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WILL BE, UM, ADDRESSING ONE OF THE ITEMS AS FAR AS THE, UH, UH, AGENDA, UH, CONCERNING THE CLOSING, OR NOT THE CLOSING NECESSARILY, BUT THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING, UH, ROADS AND PRECINCT THREE. 
          AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A SEPARATE TIME WHEN WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT. 
          BUT I WOULD ALSO, IF ANYBODY ELSE IS HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, WE DO HAVE A THREE MINUTE, UH, LIMIT ON THAT. 
          AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER ITEM OTHER THAN THE ITEM THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD COME FOR US AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND, UH, INFORMATION. 
          YES. 
          YOU JUST STAND THERE AND, UH, WE NEED TO SIGN SOMETHING TO SPEAK. 
          YEAH. 
          IS IT IN REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WE'LL DO THAT JUST IN A, IN A MOMENT HERE, JUST IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED, WE HAVE A FORM FOR YOU, PHIL, IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED THE, UH, FORM, SO WE'LL HAVE YOUR NAME AND INFORMATION. 
          I BELIEVE THERE, IT'S BACK ON THE TABLE THERE. 
          NOW WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN FOR YOU TO DO THAT WHILE WE'RE CONDUCTING ANOTHER ITEMS BUSINESS IN THAT REGARD. 
          IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT, SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE CROWD, IF YOU WOULD, UH, LIKE TO COMBINE YOUR COMMENTS WITH OTHERS AND HAVE A DESIGNATED SPOKESPERSON, THAT WILL BE FINE. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU. 
          AND, UH, SO, UH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU GET YOUR NAME LISTED, WE'LL, WE'LL START THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, UH, AND ON THAT ITEM HERE, JUST IN A FEW MOMENTS. 
          FIRST ITEM IS FROM JEFF BROWN, UH, DE LINK WITH TAX FIRM. 
          AND JEFF, UH, YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WITH US, UH, RESOLUTION IMPLEMENTING 33 11 OF THE TEXAS PROPERTY TAX COST. 
          YES, JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. 
          UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORKSHOP LAST WEEK, UH, WE ARE ASKING, UH, UH, I SAY, WHEN I SAY WE, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, DICK MURPHY, THE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR MYSELF, ARE ASKING THE COURT TO AUTHORIZE, UH, ONE MORE TOOL, UH, FOR US TO USE IN COLLECTIVE LEGAL PROPERTY TAXES. 
          WE, UH, TO THIS POINT, UH, ALL LEGAL PROPERTY TAXES TO GO TO LEGAL IN FEBRUARY OR TURN OVER TO MY LAW FIRM FOR COLLECTION IN JULY, ON JULY 1ST, WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COURT TO DO IS AMEND OUR CONTRACT AND PASS THE RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING US TO USE THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 33 11 THAT PROVISION AND TAX CODE, UH, PROVIDES FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY ONLY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING AS WELL AS BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TO BE TURNED OVER TO US, UH, UH, ON APRIL 1ST OF EACH YEAR. 
          THAT WOULD MOVE THAT COLLECTION PROCESS OF 90 DAYS. 
          HOPEFULLY, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PUT MORE MONEY, UH, NOT ONLY IN THE COUNTY'S COFFERS, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE CITIES, UH, EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AS WELL AS, UH, HOPEFULLY CATCH SOME, SOME PROPERTY THAT MIGHT BE LEAVING THE COUNTY BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS AWAY. 
          GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO COLLECT MORE PHOTOS. 
          UM, IT, IT IS JUST, IT'S PROVISION THAT THE LEGISLATURE AUTHORIZED THE 2005 SESSION. 
          UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, THERE IS BENEFIT FOR, FOR KAMAN COUNTY, FOR RELATED JURISDICTION, FOR DISTRICT COLLECTS. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK Y'ALL TO PASS THOSE, THOSE MEASURE. 
          THIS WAS THE ITEM WE DISCUSSED AT WORKSHOP SESSION THE OTHER DAY. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT NOT MOTION TO ACT ON? SO MR. JACKSON? HAVE SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED? AND ITEM TWO IS ALSO RELATED TO THAT, WHICH, UH, WOULD AMEND THE CONTRACT WE 
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CURRENT CURRENTLY HAVE WITH THE, UH, FIRM. 
          SO DEFINITELY GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          JUST, UH, JUST BRIEFLY, IN OUR, IN OUR OWN CONTRACT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S BASICALLY A, A ARTICLE ONE IS JUST A PARAGRAPH ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT LINES THAT THE DETAILS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON YOUR BEHALF, THE NEW PROVISION THAT, THAT IT'S IN THE AMENDED CONTRACT. 
          IT'S LAID OUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. 
          IT BASICALLY SAYS THE SAME THINGS AS THE OTHER CONTRACT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S MORE, MORE SPECIFIC. 
          AND IT ALSO PROVIDES THE COLLECTION OF 33 11, UM, THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN EVERYTHING ELSE WILL REMAIN THE SAME. 
          UH, JUST AUTHORIZES US TO DO THAT ON YOUR BEHALF. 
          OKAY, AGAIN, THIS FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION YOU HAD LAST MONDAY CONCERNING THE ITEM. 
          ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OF JEFF OR ANY CONCERNS? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACT ON ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA. 
          I MADE COMMISSIONER A MOTION THAT WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND, MR. MANNING SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, JEFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JEFF. 
          NEXT ITEM IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THIS IS, UH, A LITTLE NEW FOR US AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY ITEMS THAT ARE ROUTINE BUSINESS THAT, UH, CAN BE DISCUSSED AND, AND ONE MOTION WOULD APPROVE ALL OF THESE. 
          WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, AT LENGTH, UH, LAST WEEK. 
          AND I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING UNDER CONSENT AGENDA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ACT ON? SECONDLY, RIGHT? YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO, UH, JUST DISCUSS NUMBER ITEM C. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU WANT TO JUST DISCUSS IT OR DO YOU WANT PULL IT OUT AND ACT ON IT SEPARATELY? UH, YOU WANNA JUST DISCUSS IT? JUST DISCUSS IT. 
          I'M, I'M IN FAVOR, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANNA DISCUSS IT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THEY WISH TO DISCUSS? OKAY, RAY, UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE SHERIFF FOR COMING UP WITH THIS INNOVATIVE WAY OF TRYING TO REDUCE, UH, SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES AT THE GENERAL FUND. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, UH, WHEN YOU PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT SOME MORE ITEMS ON THE SAME, IN THE SAME METHOD. 
          UH, QUESTION WE BROUGHT TO ME EARLIER WAS WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THAT MONEY? AND IT TURNS OUT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS KIND OF DANGEROUS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ALL GO TO THESE TRAINING SESSIONS. 
          UH, ONE TRAINING SESSION THAT I KNOW THAT I ATTENDED SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE AUTHORITY OVER INTO THAT SECURITY FRONT. 
          WELL, IT TURNS OUT, ACCORDING TO THIS, UH, THIS CODE RIGHT PASSED OUT TO YOU THAT THAT IS UNDER DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          AND SO WE WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UH, ONE FOURTH OF IT. 
          JOHN, YOU, I GUESS YOU'VE SAYING THIS HAPPENED. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE FOURTH OF THAT MONEY GOES TO THE JP COURT. 
          UH, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, JOHN, THAT THE JP COURTS COULD USE THE SAME FUNDING SOURCE? PROBABLY POSSIBLY FOR, UH, PART OF THEIR BAILIFF MONEY? RIGHT. 
          AND, AND IN FACT, THE, THE STATUTE SPEAKS TO THE, UH, UH, THE FACT THAT, THAT THE COUNTY COURTS AND DISTRICT COURTS AND, AND JP COURTS MIGHT ALL BE SEPARATE FOR OUR CASE, THE COUNTY AND DISTRICT COURTS ARE ALL TOGETHER. 
          SO IT MAKES SENSE TO CONSOLIDATE IT FOR THOSE COURTS. 
          AND THEN THE JP COURTS COULD A APPROACH IT SEPARATELY IF, IF THEY, UM, IF, IF THEY SO DESIRE, IF IT'S USED FOR THE SAME PURPOSE AND IT'S ALLOCATED ALL FOR SECURITY, UM, THE WAY THAT IT APPEARS TO BE FOR, UH, THE SHERIFF IS OUTLINED UP FOR THE, THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE. 
          SO WE, WE COULD BE AUTHORIZED TO PAY SOME, UH, DEPUTY CONSTABLES SALARIES PART OF IT OUT OF, OUT OF THAT FUND IF WE WANTED TO. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT, IF, IF, IF WE CAN ALLOCATE AND SAY, LIKE THE SHERIFF CAN SAY THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR COURTHOUSE SECURITY, THE CONSTABLES CAN SAY IT'S 30% OR 50%, BUT YEAH. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL MAYBE BRING SOME INFORMATION AS TO HOW MUCH TIME HE'S ACTUALLY SPENT ON THAT. 
          AND THEN IF THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY IN THAT FUND TO REDUCE TO PAY THEIR SALARIES OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND WITHOUT HAMPERING COURTHOUSE SECURITY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT IT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO, UH, THE PROPOSAL FROM THE SHERIFF THAT HE DISCUSSED WITH US LAST WEEK IS GONNA TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FROM THAT. 
          UH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE NOW SEE WHERE WE'RE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT FOR SURE. 
          AND THERE ARE OTHER, I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER DISCUSSIONS GOING ON, UH, CONCERNING THE SECURITY OF THAT CONSTABLE PORTION. 
          PORTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THE PORTION THAT THEY PROVIDES SECURITY FOR THAT COURT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          AND IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THAT WITH, BUT WORTH LOOKING. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO BECAUSE THAT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND THAT FUND GROWS ALONG TOO, RIGHT? FOUR TO $6,000 A MONTH. 
          THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT IT'S RUNNING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? 
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ALRIGHT, MAY WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT? DO WE ACCEPT IT? THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH. 
          CONSENT. 
          WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK. 
          SECOND. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MR. JACKSON? SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          VOTE OPPOSED? THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, TO DISCUSS AND ACT. 
          ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS AND ACT ON EXITING THE REGULAR MEETING AND ENTERING INTO A PUBLIC, UH, HEARING. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, I MAY HAVE A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER ROUND. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. JACKSON SECONDS IN THE DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          SO OPPOSED. 
          NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FIVE, AND IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC CONCERNING, UH, REGARDING NOT ALLOWING THROUGH TRUCKS ON PORSCHES OF COUNTY ROAD 3 14 3 17, 3 46, 3 47, 3 48, 3 49, 3 50 IN  COUNTY PRECINCT THREE, AND PLACING NO THROUGH TRUCK SIGNS ON THOSE SAME ROADS. 
          3 14 3 17, 3 46, 3 47, 3 48, 3 49, 3 50. 
          AND IF SOMEONE WILL BRING ME THE SIGN IN SHEET WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ASKED TO, UH, STILL PASSING AROUND. 
          IS IT STILL PASSING AROUND? WELL, WHOEVER IS THE FIRST ONE ON THAT SIGN IN SHEET, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, WHAT WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS COME TO THIS MICROPHONE AND, UH, AND THEY GIVE US YOUR NAME AND INFORMATION AND THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND I'VE ASKED OUR COUNTY CLERK, UH, UH, MS. HUGHES TO SERVE AS A TIMEKEEPER. 
          AND WE WILL ALLOW THREE MINUTES OF PRESENTATION FROM EACH, UH, INDIVIDUAL. 
          SO WHO, WHO'S THE FIRST NAME ON THE LIST UNTIL IT GETS FINISHED UP HERE? UH, CARL CAMPBELL. 
          CARL, CARL CAMPBELL. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'LL COME FORWARD HERE. 
          WE'LL, UH, START THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M CARL CAMPBELL. 
          I'M PRESIDENT OF TRINITY MATERIALS COMPANY AND TRINITY MATERIALS HAS BEEN SERVICING AND I'VE BEEN VIABLE OPERATOR IN KAMAN COUNTY FOR OVER 18 YEARS. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN SUPPLYING MATERIALS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND ROADS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES. 
          WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST IN INVESTMENTS IN KAMAN COUNTY AND ANY LAND EQUIPMENT AND, UH, PEOPLE CLOSING THE SEVEN COUNTY ROADS IN QUESTION IS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED MY COMPANY AND LIMITING THE RIGHTS OF COUNTY LAND. 
          THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ATTEMPTING TO CLOSE THESE ROADS IS TO CLOSE DOWN A LEGAL COMPLIANT BUSINESS IN COLTON COUNTY, AND I THINK THAT'S A BAD MESSAGE TO BE SENDING TO OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY. 
          TRAINING MATERIAL EMPLOYEES OVER 40 PEOPLE AT OUR FACILITIES. 
          INMAN COUNTY. 
          UH, I DUNNO WHERE THE CONCEPT CAME FROM, THAT, UH, QUARRIES DO NOT PAY TAXES TO KAMAN COUNTY TRAINING MATERIALS PAID OVER $120,000 TO KAMAN COUNTY JUST IN 20:00 PM TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET AGGREGATE MATERIALS PER PRODUCTION WOULD GREATLY IMPACT THE COST AND THE RATE OF GROWTH IN KAMAN COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AS WELL. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE UNDERLYING ISSUES VERY WELL. 
          WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR A NON-EMOTIONAL COMMON SENSE COMPROMISE THAT LEVELHEADED PEOPLE CAN REACH. 
          WE ARE WILLING TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES WITH THE COURT AT ANY TIME AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST. 
          WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO ADDRESS ANY PUBLIC ISSUES FROM THE SPECIAL INTEREST CURRENTLY ATTACKING OUR LEGAL RIGHT TO DO BUSINESS. 
          I URGE YOU TO LISTEN. 
          I LET SOMETHING OUT. 
          IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT I URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO ALL THE VIEWPOINTS TODAY AND TO TAKE THIS ISSUE ON FOR FURTHER STUDY. 
          WE KNOW THE COURT DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE A QUICK ONE-SIDED DECISION THAT WOULD ONLY CREATE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE. 
          PLEASE REMEMBER, WE DO SEE OURSELVES AS PART OF THE KAUFMAN BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          OUR PEOPLE LIVE HERE, THEY WORK HERE, AND OUR TAXES GO TO QUEBEC, PROVIDING FOR BETTER SCHOOLS AND SERVICES HERE, CLOSING THESE ROADS TO EFFECT EFFECTIVELY SHUT DOWN OUR OPERATION. 
          AND CONSTRAIN LANDOWNERS IS NOT THE ANSWER. 
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THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT, AND PLEASE KNOW THAT WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. 
          WE CAN RECALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CAMPBELL. 
          SECOND OBJECT PERSON LATER MORNING. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SHERIFF, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, JUDGE WOODS. 
          I'M RADER MINING. 
          UH, I'M A LAWYER. 
          I PRACTICE IN WILLS POINT AND IN DALLAS. 
          I ACT ON BEHALF OF MINERAL OWNERS IN THIS COUNTY, UH, AND OWNERS OF SURFACE, UH, SURROUNDING THOSE MINERALS. 
          AND I PROBABLY ACT ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPERS IN THIS COUNTY, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET. 
          I WANT TO ADDRESS JUST A COUPLE OF OF POINTS WITH YOU THAT CONCERN ME. 
          THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT, THAT MY FIRM IN PARTICULAR HAS LITIGATED WITH LANDOWNERS IN THE PAST IN THIS COUNTY, INCLUDING SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS, UH, THAT SURROUND THIS AREA THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING. 
          I WILL, UH, TENDER TO YOUR CLERK A COPY OF A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO WITH THOSE LANDOWNERS. 
          AND I THINK 2004, UH, TRINITY MATERIALS WAS NOT INVOLVED AT THAT TIME. 
          A FORMER OPERATOR WAS INVOLVED. 
          WE PAID THEM SOME MONEY. 
          UH, WE, THEY AGREED, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ROCK MINING OPERATION IS NOT A NUISANCE AND CAN BE PROPERLY CONDUCTED. 
          AND WE ALSO AGREED THAT WE'VE WOULD WAIT THREE YEARS, UH, BEFORE DEVELOPING THESE MINERALS. 
          UH, THE THREE YEARS HAS PASSED AND IT'S TIME TO DEVELOP. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OIL, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GAS IN CATON COUNTY, BUT YOU'VE GOT HARD ROCK MINERALS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE RESOURCES THAT GOD BLESSED WITH THIS COUNTY WITH. 
          UH, BUT FOR THESE RESOURCES, DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE NEAREST LOCATION, WHICH IS IN BRIDGEPORT. 
          THESE OPERATIONS CAN BE CONDUCTED CLEANLY, CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT IT, GO TO FRISCO. 
          THE ENTIRE TOWN OF FRISCO THAT'S SINCE BEEN DEVELOPED IS BASICALLY ROCK WARRIORS. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S SO PRETTY OUT THERE. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADDRESS WITH YOU IS IF THESE COUNTY ROADS WERE CLOSED, YOU WOULD EFFECTIVELY CLOSE DOWN THE ROCK MINE. 
          THESE MINERAL OWNERS WOULD HAVE NOTHING THAT THEY COULD PRODUCE THAT WOULD AMOUNT TO WHAT IS CALLED AN INVERSE CONDEMNATION OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S $14 MILLION WORTH OF ROCK DOWN THERE. 
          THAT'S $14 MILLION ASSET THAT CANNOT BE USED, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST TO EXPOSE THE COUNTY, UH, TO THAT KIND OF LIABILITY EXPOSURE. 
          YOU'VE HEARD TRINITY TALK TO YOU. 
          THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY, UH, AND ACCOMMODATE YOU. 
          I ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, TO, TO CONSIDER THAT POSSIBILITY THAT BY DEPRIVING THESE MINERAL OWNERS OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND HONESTLY, ONE GENTLEMAN, LEON LESTER, WHO I THINK IS 91, HE AGREED WHEN HE WAS 85 TO DELAY THREE TO THREE YEARS, THREE OF IT YEARS 86 THROUGH 89 BEFORE HE STARTED RECEIVING HIS ROYALTIES. 
          HE'S NOW NINE ONE. 
          WE DON'T WANT YOU TO MAKE ANY WEIGHT HERE. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          AND I WILL TENDER THESE, UH, ORDERS TO YOUR CLERK. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MICHAEL. 
          NEXT IS BEVERLY GROSS, I CLIENT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, MICHAEL KNOTLEY? YES. 
          LAST N-O-T-L-E-Y. 
          MICHAEL NOTLEY. 
          JUDGE WHAT GENTLEMEN? THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, I HADER PREPARED REMARKS, UH, SO I CAN STICK TO MY TIME LIMIT. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL ALI. 
          I'M A KAUFFMAN COUNTY, UH, RESIDENT. 
          I LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46. 
          I'M HERE TODAY AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN AND MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE HERE TODAY WITH THE SAME CONCERNS. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK THEM REAL QUICKLY IF THEY WOULD ALL MIND STANDING MY COUNTY ROAD 3 46 FRIENDS, OR ROGER K BACK IN THE BACK AND I, I, I BELIEVE I EVEN GOT SOME OUT IN THE LOBBY. 
          THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. 
          WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU USE YOUR AUTHORITY GRANTED BY TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE ENCLO COUNTY ROAD 3 46 EAST OF FM 27 28, WHICH THROUGH TRUCKS YOU HAVE USED THIS AUTHORITY BEFORE AND AS HAVE OTHER TEXAS COUNTIES. 
          IN THE DECEMBER 13TH HEARING, I GAVE MY REASONING FOR THIS REQUESTED ACTION TO RECAP A MATERIALS COMPANY. 
          A MATERIALS COMPANY HAS SUBMITTED AN AIR PERMIT REQUEST TO OPEN A ROCK CRUSHING FACILITY ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46 NEAR THE COUNTY LINE, ABOUT A MILE NORTHEAST OF MY HOME. 
          THIS FACILITY IS SLATED TO PRODUCE 1.8 MILLION TONS OF CRUSHED ROCK EACH YEAR. 
          THAT WILL TAKE A LOT OF TRUCKS, ABOUT 70,000 MAYBE BETTER. 
          THAT WORKS OUT TO 200 TRUCKS A DAY, 200 IN, 200 OUT. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          THE HAUL ROUTE'S NOT BEEN DESIGNATED AS FAR AS WE KNOW. 
          WE'VE ASKED AND THEY WON'T TELL US BECAUSE COUNTY 
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ROAD 3 46 IS THE SHORTEST ROUTE TO HARD SURFACE ROAD. 
          WE WERE CONCERNED IT WOULD BECOME THE PREFERRED ROUTE. 
          WE KNEW COUNTY ROAD 3 46 WAS INADEQUATE TO THIS TASK. 
          ONE OF THE OLDEST ROADS IN THE COUNTY, CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY ROAD, OR 3 46 IS DARL, HAS FOUR 90 DEGREE TURNS AND A LITTLE OVER A HALF MILE STRETCH CROSSES TWO LIQUID NATURAL GAS PIPELINES NEAR MY FRONT GATE. 
          THE ROAD ALMOST CERTAINLY STARTED OUT AS A WAGON ROAD AND A COMPUTER SEARCH. 
          COUNTY RECORDS DOESN'T SHOW ANY MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION ON THE ROAD SINCE THEN. 
          ADEQUATE FOR TRAFFIC BACK THEN, BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY BUILT WITH MATERIALS ON HAND. 
          THE ROAD IS SHOWING ITS AGE, THERE'S NO CROWN, AND WHILE IT REALLY HASN'T SUNK, IT IS LOWER THAN THE SURROUNDING FIELDS BECAUSE MUCH OF THE MATERIALS BLOWN AWAY IN THE SUMMERTIME IS DUST, OR IN THE WINTERTIME IS BUCKETS OF MUD ON THE BOTTOM. 
          OUR CARS, THE EFFECT IS THE ROAD DOESN'T DRAIN IN WET WEATHER. 
          IT SIMPLY TURNS TO MUSH AT 20 FEET WIDE. 
          IT'S TOO NARROW FOR A 45 FOOT LONG TRUCK TO MAKE A 90 DEGREE CORNER AND STAY IN LANE. 
          IT IS NOT DUE TO DRIVER'S SKILL OR INATTENTION, IT'S JUST THE GEOMETRY OF A TURN. 
          AND NOT STAYING IN LANE IS ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS FOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS ON TEXAS ROADS, RURAL ROADS EACH YEAR. 
          T DOCK REPORTED THAT THE FIRST EASEMENT FOR THOSE TWO PIPELINES WERE ACQUIRED IN 19 61, 50 YEARS AGO. 
          THIS NEXT MONTH, SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, NEXT IS WILLIAM MAR. 
          THIS WILL BE I'LL MARK YOU AT ONE MINUTE, SIR. 
          I'LL MARK JUST AT ONE MINUTE AND THEN 30 SECONDS. 
          I KIND OF KEEP TIME SHEET. 
          THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT BURDENS, KEEP TIME. 
          AND UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A STOP BOX. 
          I BELIEVE I'M GONNA MAKE IT. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER, YOUR HONOR, UH, I, I'VE WRITTEN DOWN SOME THINGS. 
          I I'VE LISTENED TO THE OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK AND I KNOW THAT THIS COURT WILL DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          THESE ARE ITEMS THAT I THINK I SPOKE ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, BUT I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN. 
          UH, THE ROADS THAT THE QUARRIES ARE USING AS PLANT HAUL ROADS, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED TO CARRY THAT KIND OF LOAD. 
          THESE TRUCKS EXCEED 80,000 POUNDS. 
          THE ROADS ARE NARROW. 
          THEY'RE MOSTLY ROCK. 
          UH, THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THESE ROADS WOULD'VE TO BE CONTINUOUS IF THEY ONCE AGAIN STARTED USING THEM. 
          UH, AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID, WE'VE HAD THE LUXURY OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS WHERE QUARRIES HAVE NOT IMPACTED OUR LIVES BECAUSE THE, THE MAINSTAY OF THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN ON A COUNTY ROAD THAT HAS NO INHABITANTS. 
          AND THAT'S COUNTY ROAD THREE 17. 
          UH, THE TRUCKS, THEY ARE A NUISANCE. 
          UH, THEY ARE A POLLUTANT. 
          77,000 TRUCKS USING ONE COUNTY ROAD IN A, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME OVER FIVE YEARS, YOU'VE GOT SERIOUS NUISANCE POLLUTANTS THAT RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THOSE ROADS HAVE TO ENDURE, UM, TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE. 
          IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, UH, ONE GENTLEMAN SAID THEY GAVE $120,000 IN 2010. 
          UH, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THESE ROADS, THEY PAY EVERY YEAR THEIR ROAD TAXES. 
          THEY, THEY EXPECT THEIR ROADS TO BE IN A CONDITION WHERE THEY CAN TRAVEL TO CHURCHES, TO STORES TO SCHOOLS, SCHOOL BUSES CAN COME, MALE CARRIERS CAN COME, AND THESE PEOPLE CAN CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS WITHOUT THE FEAR OR INTIMIDATION OF THESE TRUCKS UP AND DOWN THE ROADS EVERY DAY. 
          UM, LIABILITY OF THE COUNTY IS STILL THERE. 
          WHETHER THE COUNTY MAKES AN AGREEMENT WITH THE QUARRY OVER, UH, WHO TAKES CARE OF THE ROAD, IF THE COUNTY WOULD RESEARCH ITS RECORDS RIGHT NOW, I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT THERE ARE LAWSUITS STILL PENDING FROM PAST QUARRIES AND ACCIDENTS AND DEATHS THAT OCCURRED ON COUNTY ROADS, WHICH CAUSES US GREAT CONCERN THAT IF THEY START USING OUR ROADS AGAIN TO AS PLANT HALL ROADS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, KEEP A SHARP EYE OUT TO PREVENT ACCIDENTS OF THAT NATURE HAPPENING. 
          ANY AGAIN? UM, THE ROCK THAT WE'RE USING ON OUR ROADS RIGHT NOW, HOW MUCH TIME IS THAT? 16 SECONDS. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ROCK THAT WE'RE USING ON OUR ROADS RIGHT NOW, 
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I THINK ALL THE COMMISSIONS HERE WILL AGREE WITH US THAT ONCE IT RAINS AND IT'S TRAVELED ON, THE ROCKET BECOMES MUSH DUST AND IT HAS TO BE RESURFACED AGAIN. 
          SO I THINK THAT THE ROCK THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THESE QUARRIES AS ROADWAYS, WE'RE NOT EFFECTIVELY USING IT, UH, TO BENEFIT THE COUNTY AND THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY THAT THEY'RE OFFERING THE COUNTIES OR GIVING TO THE COUNTIES. 
          I'M SORRY, JUST A QUESTION. 
          UH, WHAT WOULD YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD EVEN BE AGREEABLE, BUT WHAT IF, UH, TRINITY OR SOME OF THE ROCK PEOPLE WOULD AGREE TO, UH, CHIP IN AND HELP MAKE THIS A HARDTOP ROAD OR SOMETHING? AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T STOP THE TRUCKS FROM COMING IN, BUT IT HELPS SOME OF THEM. 
          AND IF, IF YOU COULD GET THEM MAYBE TO AGREE SOME WAY OTHER TO HOLD THEIR SPEED DOWN SO THAT THERE'S NOT A SAFETY HAZARD, WOULD Y'ALL EVEN LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT OR NOT, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT, WE'RE NOT AGREEABLE TO IT. 
          AND AND I SAY THAT, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IN THE PAST WE HAVE TRIED TO TALK TO THESE QUARRY OPERATORS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE TOLD US IN THE PAST HAS NOT COME TO BE OKAY. 
          WHAT WE DEEM AS CREDIBLE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, TOMMY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I LIVE, UH, RIGHT THERE AT 80 AND 3 48. 
          AND THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ENTRANCE THAT THEY'RE USING RIGHT NOW FOR, UH, BRINGING IN THE TRUCKS AND LEAVING AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND I NOTICED THIS PAST WEEK THAT THERE'S LIKE TWO INCHES OF MUD COMING OUT OF THAT PLACE ON THE HIGHWAY. 
          AND I SAW A CAR, UH, COMING DOWN THE HIGHWAY THE OTHER DAY AND LOST CONTROL BECAUSE OF THAT MUD. 
          AND, UH, IT'S REAL BIG HAZARD RIGHT THERE AT THAT ENTRANCE. 
          UH, I DUNNO WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BAD. 
          AND, UH, UH, ALL THE DUST AND STUFF THAT COMES OFF THAT ROAD AND OFF THE HIGHWAY WHEN CARS GO THROUGH THAT, IT'S JUST GOING RIGHT ACROSS MY PROPERTY. 
          I'VE GOT ANIMALS AND WATER TROUGHS AND ALL KIND OF STUFF, AND IT'S JUST LIKE A THICK TOTE OF DIRT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE, THE DAY THAT YOU FILL IT UP, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BAD. 
          AND I MIGHT FOR SOMEBODY TO FIX IT IF THEY COULD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          JOHN NEIL, JOHN, JOHN, JOHN NEIL. 
          I'M JOHN MILL. 
          I LIVE PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO THE ROCK PIT OF ANYBODY RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM ME WHILE THEY WERE MINING ME. 
          THEY GET MY HOUSE FOUR TIMES WITH ROCK THAT WHERE THEY LEARN TO SET THEIR CHARGES DEEPER. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE ALL MY LIFE. 
          I'M LIVING ON THE FARM. 
          IT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE 1880. 
          MY DADDY WAS BORN RIGHT THERE WHERE I LIVE. 
          I WAS BORN ALONG WITH OTHER CHILDREN THERE. 
          I SPENT MOST OF MY LIFE THERE. 
          I SPENT MOST OF MY LIFE IN THE MUD. 
          I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THE ROADS WERE BAD, MY DAD GOING WITH HIM, THE WOODS AND CUTTING OLD LOG OLD POLES, EIGHT FOOT LONG AND INTO BRIDGE ACROSS MUD HOLES TO GET OUT. 
          AND, UH, I'VE SEEN, UH, TREMENDOUS CHANGE SINCE WE, THE MINING OF ROCK IN OUR AREA HAS OCCURRED. 
          UH, BEFORE THE ROADS WERE IN DITCHES. 
          UH, I'VE EVEN HAD TO GET UP AT NIGHT AND, AND MOVE MY TRUCK A MILE. 
          SO I BE SURE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO WALK UP THERE AND GET, UH, ON THE WAY, GO TO WORK THE FOLLOWING MORNINGS. 
          WE'VE SEEN THE ROADS ARE BETTER SHAPE NOW THAN I CAN EVER REMEMBER 'EM BEING, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MINING A ROCK IN THE AREA. 
          IT'S MY ROCK, UH, AVAILABLE AND, AND, UH, HAS KEPT THE COST DOWN. 
          IF WE, IF WE HAD TO IMPORT ROCK FROM A HUNDRED PIG MILES AWAY, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THE ROADS IN THE CONDITION THAT, THAT THEY ARE. 
          I KNOW THAT IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE FOR THEY, UH, TRUCKS ON THE ROAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WORKED WITH POWER COMPANY FOR 30 YEARS. 
          PEOPLE WANT ELECTRICITY, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THEIR TREES. 
          TRIMED PEOPLE WANT ROCK ON THE ROADS, BUT THEY DON'T WANT 
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ROCK TRUCKS ON THE ROADS. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE. 
          YOU NEED IT TOO. 
          AND, UH, I I, I DO NOT HAVE A LEASE WITH ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. 
          I HAVE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT I, IT'S SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH A LITTLE INCONVENIENCE IN ORDER TO HAVE  WHAT WE HAVE. 
          THIS ROAD WAS MENTIONED THAT ABOUT A WAGON IN 1943, UH, A SCHOOL BUS GOT STUCK ON THE ROAD. 
          3 46 THERE, ABOUT 200 YARDS FROM 27 28 COMING OUT OF ELMO. 
          I, UH, WALKED HOME. 
          I GOT HOME AND ABOUT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THE SUPERINTENDENT CALLED ME AND SAID, WE, UH, UH, CAN'T GET THE RECORD TO GO GET THE SCHOOL BUS OUT AND, UH, WOULD YOU TAKE YOUR WAGON AND GO DELIVER THE KIDS HOME? I DROVE, UH, WENT AND GOT THE MULES OUTTA THE PASTURE AND HOOKED ON THE WAGON. 
          MY DAD WAS SICK AND COULDN'T GO. 
          AND I, I, AS A KID, I WENT AND PICKED UP THE KIDS OFF THE BUS AND DELIVERED THEM HOME. 
          I GOT HOME THE NEXT MORNING AT TWO O'CLOCK BECAUSE THAT ROAD WAS, UH, IT WAS, AND, AND WET WEATHER WAS, UH, WAS HARD TO GET OVER. 
          I JUST, UH, I, I'M SORRY, BUT I, I, I THINK THE, THE MINING THE ROCK IN, IN OUR AREA HAS BENEFIT TO THE COUNTS AND TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THOSE ROCKS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU JOHN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM IS MARK STREETMAN MORNING FOR, LEMME SPEAK. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED. 
          I'M NEW TO  COUNTY, LIVING IN ROCKWELL COUNTY. 
          I'M ALIVE, RAISED THERE, UH, LIVE ON THE CORNER OF 3 46 AND 27 28. 
          JUST BUILT A HOME OUT THERE. 
          WE REALLY, UH, LOVE OUR PLACE. 
          MY WIFE AND I USED TO, THAT PLACE TOOK US PROBABLY TWO YEARS TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY LIKED. 
          IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL OUT THERE. 
          MET SOME OF OUR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORS, VERY NICE PEOPLE. 
          THE, THE ROAD ITSELF AND THE POLLUTION THAT THIS THING CAUSES, GUYS, I WORK IN CONSTRUCTION. 
          I SEE WHAT TRUCKS DO EVERY DAY AROUND THOSE CONSTRUCTION SITES. 
          USUALLY THERE IS AN HANDBID OF WATER TRUCKS RUNNING IN AND OUT TO SPRAY THOSE ROADS. 
          THESE ARE TEMPORARY ROADS OF COURSE, BUT THEY HAVE A WATER TRUCK RUNNING CONSTANTLY TO KEEP THAT DUST AND AND STUFF DOWN AROUND THOSE SITES. 
          AND IT'S, UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN DUST POLLUTION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT. 
          DEBRIS. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS CAN HELP US. 
          WE WENT TO TC EQ TEXAS BOYS. 
          BASICALLY WE GOT THE RUNAROUND. 
          COMMISSIONER JACKSON WAS THERE WITH US. 
          EVERY QUESTION THAT WE PRESENTED TO THESE FOLKS, THEY HAD A WE'LL CHECK, IT'S NOT OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          GO TO SOME OTHER SOURCE. 
          IT'S JUST TAIL CHASING GENTLEMEN. 
          COMMISSIONER JACKSON WAS WITH US. 
          HE HEARD IT. 
          I THINK HE AGREES WITH IT. 
          I THINK THIS GENTLEMAN HERE SAID THIS MORNING, GIVE US GOD, PLEASE GIVE ME THE POWER, NOT THE POWER, BUT GIMME THE WISDOM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. 
          GUYS, THE RIGHT DECISION IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT. 
          WE WERE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP. 
          WE CAME TO THE COUNTY. 
          WE TRIED, I'M SORRY, THE STATE. 
          WE TRIED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. 
          WE ASKED, AND NOW WE'RE ASKING EMPLOYER AND YOU GENTLEMEN TO PLEASE HELP US OUT BECAUSE I, TRUCK DRIVERS NEED TO MAKE A LIVING, GENTLEMEN, THEY DO. 
          EVERY ONE OF US NEED TO MAKE A LIVING. 
          BUT I PROMISE YOU THOSE GUYS AND THAT, THAT'S A MINING COMPANY, ALL THEY WANT IS THE 14 MILLION OR WHATEVER WAS IN THERE. 
          THEY SAY THEY PAID THE COUNTY 120,000 IN TAXES. 
          COST A LOT MORE TO FIX OVER ROADS THAN WHEN THEY GET THROUGH WITHOUT PROMISE YOU. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, I HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE. 
          I DON'T WANT TO LIVE, I GOT GRANDSON, MY WIFE HAS BREATHING PROBLEMS UP HERE. 
          I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT DUST BLOWING ALL OVER MY PLACE. 
          I DON'T WANT THOSE TRUCKS RUNNING 40, 50 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          THEY DO IT ALREADY. 
          VERY LIMITED, BUT THEY DO IT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIME'S 20, 30, 40, I'VE HEARD AS MANY AS A HUNDRED TRUCKS. 
          WOULD YOU GUYS WANT TO LIVE OUT THERE? PROBABLY NOT. 
          SO SIR, IF I DEAL, PLEASE HELP US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          NEXT PERSON IS BOB MITCHELL. 
          BOB 
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MITCHELL. 
          BOB STILL HERE. 
          YEAH, I'M MITCHELL. 
          UH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JUST CLOSING ANY PUBLIC ROADS IN  COUNTY OR TRUCKS. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN THE TRACTOR BUSINESS IN TAR FOR 50 ODD YEARS. 
          WE HAVE TO DELIVER TRACTORS WITH TRUCKS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE A 18 WHEELER. 
          THOSE TRACTORS ARE HEAVY THAT WAY. 
          WE WON'T TEAR UP THE BRIDGES. 
          UH, MANY TIMES WE TAKE A TRACTOR OUT TO A FARM. 
          YOU CAN'T GET OFF THE ROAD, YOU DON'T LOAD THE TRACTOR AND THE ROAD AND YOU DRIVING INTO THE FARM AND THEN YOU CIRCLE TWO MILES TO GET BACK TO THE ROAD. 
          SO, UH, YOU JUST, YOU NO TRUCKS ALLOWED ON THOSE ROADS. 
          AND WE HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT'S GOT A TRACTOR WITH THE REAR END OUTTA IT. 
          I HOW WE GONNA GET IT OUT? YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING, I, I SHIP ABOUT 500 OF THOSE TO THE CRANE A YEAR OUT NEY COUNTY. 
          AND WE USE ACRES BECAUSE WE SHIP MOST OF IT TO THE GRAND EXCHANGE IN FORT WORTH. 
          AND WE HAVE TO CIRCLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ABIDE OF THE BRIDGE LAWS AND THE WEIGHT LOSS AND ALL, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TURN IT IN ON SOME OF THOSE FARMS BECAUSE THOSE, UH, FEED TRUCKS AND, UH, WE HAVE TO LOAD THE CIRCLE, YOU KNOW, TWO MILES TO GET BACK TO THE MAIN LEVEL. 
          AND ANOTHER ONE OF MY BUSINESSES, AND I DO SOME IN  COUNTY, I'VE BEEN IN THE TRACTOR AND THE LIQUIDATION OPTION VISITS FOR 50 ODD YEARS. 
          WE GO OUT TO A FARM. 
          A LOT OF IT IS, UH, YOU STAY AFTER THEY LOSE YOUR HUSBAND. 
          WE GO OUT TO THE FARM AND, UH, AUCTION OFF ALL MACHINERY. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SELLING OUT A WIDOW WOMAN ON ONE OF THESE RIPPED ROADS AND YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE, YOU CAN'T COME DOWN THERE IN A TRUCK. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'VE GOT, SOMETIMES WE GET THREE OR FOUR OH PEOPLE THAT THROW BIG SALES. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF REGULATING, UH, THE USE OF ROAD RATHER THAN JUST PICKING AND CHOOSING AND CLOSING. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I TOLD PEOPLE WOULD DO. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANKS BOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT PERSON IS JOE RICE. 
          I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WOULDN'T SHUT UP  THIS TIME. 
          I'M GONNA SHUT UP  THIS LADY. 
          OKAY, WELL, UH, WE GOT, UH, SEVEN ROADS THAT ARE IN QUESTION. 
          THERE'S NOT TOO MANY ROADS 'CAUSE WE GOT FOUR ROCK PITS AND COUNTY ROAD THREE 14 IS CURRENTLY UNDER ATTACK. 
          UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO USE THAT ROAD TO COME OUT ON US 80. 
          THEY'RE ABOUT 20 RESIDENTS BEHIND IT. 
          THAT ROAD'S ALREADY HAD A DEATH, UH, DIRECTLY RELATED TO, UH, ROCK TRUCK TRAFFIC. 
          AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THOSE PEOPLE WOULD'VE TAKEN $13 MILLION FOR THEIR DAUGHTER ANYMORE. 
          THE, UH, WOMAN AND HER CHILDREN WOULD TAKE $14 MILLION FOR HER HUSBAND. 
          AND THAT WAS KILLED AT THREE 50. 
          AND THAT WAS DIRECTLY ROCK TRUCK RELATED. 
          AND THAT INFORMATION CAME OUT OF THE NEWSPAPER. 
          UH, COUNTY ROAD. 
          UH, THREE 17 WAS STOLEN FROM THE COUNTY, UH, BY MASSIVE USE IN THE YEAR 2000. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S A CURRENT VIOLATION, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          I HEARD SOMEBODY MENTION THAT ABOUT TRAFFIC ON 80. 
          THERE'S A STATE LAW AGAINST THAT. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S 1 0 1 0.4. 
          IT'S A NUISANCE POLLUTION NUISANCE, A STATE LAW VIOLATION BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD ON COUNTY ROAD. 
          UH, 3 46. 
          THIS IS THE THIRD ATTEMPT TO USE THIS. 
          THE ROAD AS A HAUL ROAD. 
          UH, PAST DAMAGE FROM THE OTHER ATTEMPTS, UH, ARE STILL AROUND. 
          UH, THERE'S STILL PEOPLE'S, UH, HOUSES ARE DAMAGED, FENCES ARE TORN DOWN, AND THAT HASN'T BEEN CORRECTED. 
          THAT'S OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. 
          UH, 3 47, UH, IS IN DANGER OF ATTACK, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THIS NEW PERTINENT 9 1 1 50, UH, INTENDS TO COME OUT. 
          THEY'RE GIVING US AS LITTLE INFORMATION AS THEY CAN GET BY WITH 
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TO KEEP US FROM, UH, UH, FIGHTING THIS ROCK QUARRY THAT WE DON'T NEED. 
          IF THEY CAN'T GET IT OUT WITHOUT, UH, PLACING A HARDSHIP ON THE COMMUNITY, THEY OUGHT TO LEAVE THE ROCK IN THE GROUND. 
          UH, 3 48 HAS BEEN, UH, UH, PREVIOUSLY ABUSED ROAD. 
          THERE'S A NO TRUCK SIGN ON THAT ROAD NOW, AND IT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED TO NO, THROUGH TRUCKS WITH A PENALTY. 
          UH, LIKE THE SIGNS, UH, IN FORRY COUNTY ROAD 3 49, UH, IS ALSO IN DANGER. 
          AND, UH, THEY'LL, THERE WILL BE, UH, A CONSIDERABLE DUST AND TRAFFIC IF THEY'RE ELECTED, IF THEY ELECT TO USE 3 49, UH, THREE 50 HAS BEEN IN USE. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO A, A ROAD WHERE THERE WAS A DEATH. 
          AND, UH, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE DEATHS AND WE DON'T NEED ANY LAWSUITS. 
          WE JUST NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE ROADS AND HAVE THE LAWS ENFORCED. 
          SIR, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, . 
          THIS LAST NAME G-A-R-T-N-E-R SANDERSON. 
          OKAY, WELL, I'M SORRY. 
          I THAT'S OKAY. 
          I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND YOU, BRUCE. 
          I MEAN, YOUR FARM IS ONLY ON THREE 50. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          UM, I ONLY LEARNED OF THIS MEETING SATURDAY, SO I DIDN'T PREPARE A SPEECH, BUT I'M GONNA SAY THIS MUCH. 
          I LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD 3 48 IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN ABUSED BY ROCK TRUCKS. 
          I'VE BEEN RIGHT OFF THE ROAD. 
          THE DUST COMES ACROSS. 
          I LIVE, OUR PROPERTY RUNS UP AND WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS FROM PRADER MINING'S FAMILY'S, UH, RANCH. 
          AND THE DIRT COMES ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          AND WE LIVE AT QUARTER OF A MILE OVER 3 48. 
          BUT I'M CONCERNED WITH THE ROCK TRUCKS, THE BLASTING FROM ACROSS THE HIGHWAY. 
          WE GET BLASTED IT. 
          MY HOUSE GOES, AND I KEEP THINKING IT'S THE FOUNDATION. 
          GOD. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I'M AGAINST SOME OF THIS TRAFFIC. 
          Y'ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING FOR US, AND I'M GONNA DISPUTE SOME OF THE REMARKS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT HOW USEFUL ALL THIS SWAB IS. 
          IT IS IN SOME CASES, BUT WE NEED ASPHALT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO BLOCK, WE NEED THE ASPHALT. 
          OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOT, NOT RECOGNIZING. 
          YES, I THINK YOU DID. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE, ALL THE NAMES THAT I HAVE LISTED. 
          ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? TWO SHEETS. 
          I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT TWO SHEETS. 
          IS THERE ANOTHER SHEET OUT HERE? SOMETHING? I'VE GOT THREE SHEETS ACTUALLY. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER LIST OUT THERE? SOMEPLACE THAT'S NOT BEEN TURNED IN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, WE'LL GET YOU TO PUT YOUR NAME ON HERE AND THEN SIGN IT. 
          ONE, WE'LL SIGN IT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? UH, I'LL PASS THIS DOWN TO COMMISSIONER RADMAN. 
          WE CAN GET THAT OUT TO THE AUDIENCE. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          JACK RIGHT THERE BEHIND YOU. 
          PUT THAT OUT THERE JACK. 
          SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK. 
          THAT WAS ON A SHORT LIST. 
          IT WAS LIKE FIVE OR SIX NAMES. 
          RUSSELL LAMO. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY, UNLESS I SKIPPED OVER IT. 
          WELL, ANYWAY, I'M RUSSELL LA I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF 3 46 AND 3 43 8. 
          AND WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? LAMO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS SET UP HERE. 
          I KIND OF WANT TO, UH, REITERATE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY SAID. 
          ACCORDING TO TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE, UH, 6 2 1 0.102, CLOSING THE ROAD TO TRUCKS OR WHATEVER, UH, DOESN'T APPLY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING GROCERIES, FARM PRODUCTS OR  PETROLEUM GAS. 
          SO HE CAN DELIVER HIS TRACTORS OR WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO ACCORDING TO THE CODE. 
          UH, UH, COMMISSION CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, DO THE THREE TRUCKS WITHOUT AFFECTING THE FARM AND THE FARMING, UH, STUFF THAT GOES WITH THE FARMING HAY. 
          HAUL 'EM HAY, DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO. 
          UH, THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THAT. 
          UM, I'LL GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EASEMENTS OF THE PIPELINES AND EVERYTHING THAT WERE 50 YEARS AGO. 
          UH, THEY PROBABLY MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS BACK THEN, BUT, UH, THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT EIGHT DOWN POUND OF TRUCKS WERE GONNA BE CROSSING THEIR PIPELINES 200 TIMES A DAY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR SO. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROAD. 
          AND, UH, AND SOME OF US SAID THAT YOU JUST ADD A LITTLE GRAVEL TO THE EXISTING ROAD AND GRADE IT OFF. 
          AND I WANTED TO 
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KNOW IF THERE, IF THAT WAS TRUE AND IF NOT, WHAT TYPE OF ROAD WOULD IT TAKE TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSED LEVEL OF, UH, TRUCK TRAFFIC? THE A PA HAS A MANUAL AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET, GRAVEL ROAD THICKNESS DESIGN METHODS. 
          WHILE IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN ENGINEER, IT DOES GIVE MANAGERS A WAY TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH MATERIAL WOULD BE NEEDED TO CONSTRUCT A LOAD CAPABLE ROAD. 
          AND OUR EXAMPLE HERE, A WELL DRAINED ROAD WITH A MEDIUM QUALITY SUBGRADE WITH 11 AND A HALF INCHES OF GRAVEL ON TOP COULD SUPPORT DAILY TRAFFIC LOAD OF 50 HEAVY TRUCKS. 
          THERE'S NO CHART FOR 200. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS ROAD TO GET THESE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, BUILDING A NEW SUBGRADE, WHICH THE ROAD WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY NEED AND ADDING, PUT A GRAVEL ON TOP WOULD BE BOTH EXPENSIVE IN A PRACTICAL PROPOSAL, 3 46, 3 TRUCKS AND ONLY BE SAFE AND A PROVEN THING TO DO, BUT ALSO THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE TO US. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE SINCE 1990. 
          UH, WHEN THE ROAD, THE TRUCKS COME UP AND DOWN THE ROADS, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE PIT, BUT IT'S THE TRUCKERS AND THEY CAN'T MAKE THE TURNS. 
          THE ROADS ARE MESSED UP. 
          THEY MESSED UP MY FENCE. 
          THE COUNTY AT ONE TIME BEFORE MR. JACKSON CAME, UH, ALLOWED THEM TO DO SOME WORK ON THAT ROAD AND, AND LOCK MY FENCE DOWN AND A BUNCH OF DUCT OF DIRT UP ON MY FENCE. 
          I HAD A FOUR AND A HALF FOOT FENCE. 
          NOW IT'S TWO FOOT HIGH WHERE ALL THE DIRT WE ROLLED UP ON THAT FENCE. 
          I CAN'T PUT MY FENCE BACK. 
          UH, WATER DOESN'T DRAIN FROM MY PLACE VERY WELL. 
          NOW BECAUSE OF IT, WE'VE HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND KNOCK SOME OF THE PLACES DOWN TO LET THE WATER DRAIN. 
          AND, UH, SO I DON'T HAVE A FENCE. 
          I I DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET THE ROAD DRAINED. 
          AND, UH, THE SCHOOL BUSES COME THROUGH THERE AND THE SCHOOL BUS, MY WIFE HAS ALMOST BEEN RIDING OFF THE ROAD BEFORE AND, UH, SHE'S ALMOST SEEN THE SCHOOL BUS GO ON THE DITCH TRYING TO GO AROUND ONE OF THESE TRUCKS, THE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES. 
          AND WE, OUR SIGN IN SHEET, WE'LL NEED TO GET, UH, BACK AROUND HERE, BUT YOU CAN COME ON UP AND, UH, GET, YOU GET YOUR SIGNATURE WHENEVER YOU, UH, YOU GO, YOU GO. 
          UM, DID YOU BACK COURT? UH, MY NAME'S LARRY NEY AND I REPRESENT, UH, BRITISH AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. 
          WE, UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE CORPORATION? BRITISH AMERICAN. 
          BRITISH CORPORATION. 
          UH, NO, OUR PROPERTIES KNOWN BY BADC. 
          SO, UH, UH, BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL THOUSAND ACRES IN THIS AREA, MOST OF WHICH IS IN COFFMAN COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT DO ANYTHING TO HAMPER COMMERCE IN ANY WAY. 
          UH, I I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE ROCK TRUCKS ARE CUFF ON THE ROADS, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY WE NEED ALL THE COMMERCE. 
          UH, WE FEEL, UH, YOU WE CAN GET AND WE'RE, WE'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THE ROAD OPEN IF YOU CAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? BRUCE, CAN I JUDGE, CAN I ASK THE GENTLEMAN FROM TRINITY A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? UH, HOW MANY ROADS, HOW MANY TRUCKS A DAY DO YOU IMAGINE COMES DOWN THROUGH THERE? WELL, THERE WASN'T 1,000,008 A YEAR, SO THERE WAS A PROB PROBABLY AROUND SEVEN 50,000 TIMES A YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, 25 A TRUCK. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU AMENABLE TO, UH, LOOK AT, GET ANY FINANCIAL OUTLAY TO TRY TO GET THESE ROADS IN BETTER CONDITION? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, IN, OR EVEN IN PRIOR AGREEMENTS, WE, I BELIEVE CALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MR. RUSSELL, THE MALL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ARE MOST OF THOSE, MOST OF THE TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT, THAT WE'RE HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH, ARE THEY TRUCKS THAT BELONG TO TRINITY OR ARE THEY INDEPENDENT? UH, THEM ARE INDEPENDENT. 
          SO, SO THE MAJORITY OF 'EM WOULD BE INDEPENDENT TRUCK? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I, TOO MANY OF THE, UH, WHEN THE OTHER ROCKET PIT WAS THERE, THERE WASN'T VERY MANY OF THOSE TRUCKS. 
          IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, MOSTLY INDEPENDENT. 
          YOU, CHENEY, ALL THESE OTHER, BUT A BUNCH OF 18 WHEELERS COMING THROUGH THERE. 
          YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING DIRT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, 
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CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL, WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM WHERE WE SHOULD, UH, CONTINUE TO THE DISCUSSION. 
          UH, ITEM SIX, UH, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE EXITING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERING BACK INTO A RECORD MEETING. 
          SO, MAY WE HAVE A MOTION, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THEN ITEM SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON NOT ALLOWING THROUGH TRUCKS ON COUNTY GROVE 3 14 3 17, 3 46, 3 47, 3 48, 3 49, 3 50, AND PLACING NO THROUGH TRUCK SIGNS ON SAME ROAD, 3 14, 3 7, 3 46, 3 47, 3 48, 3 49, AND THREE 50. 
          UH, I HAD ASKED OUR ATTORNEY, JOHN LONG TO RESEARCH, UH, THIS ITEM. 
          AND, UH, JOHN, WOULD YOU, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, HAVE A LOT OF THE BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, WOULD YOU GIVE US WHAT YOUR RESEARCH HAS, UH, SHOWN, UM, UH, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS? UH, I, I HAVE, UH, SOME CONCERNS WITH, UH, TAKING ANY ACTION TODAY, UH, RELATED TO THE WORK, UH, CLOSING OF THE ROADS TO, TO THREE TRAFFIC. 
          UM, I, I TOOK NOTES FROM THE DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT SPOKE AND, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. 
          BUT, UH, MY CONCERNS KIND OF COME FROM, UH, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION THAT WAS LOOKED AT GA UH, 88, WHICH, UH, DEALT WITH A, A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION OF, OF THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, AND I HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF CONCERNS WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE. 
          AND THE FIRST BEING OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNTY, UH, TO REGULATE THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT ALMOST ALL THE TRUCKS BEING EFFECTIVELY BE OVERWEIGHT PERMITS. 
          AND SO WE HAVE A, A COUNTY VERSUS STATE REGULATION QUESTION, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS NOW. 
          SO I, MY MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS, IS THAT, UH, THE TRUCKS THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED ARE, ARE GOING TO BE, UH, OVERWEIGHT AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE STATE PROMINENCE OR, OR SHOULD HAVE STATE PERMITS, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO BE OVERWEIGHT, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO BE OVERWEIGHT. 
          AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION AND THE CASES THAT ARE CITED IN SUGGEST THAT THAT'S GOING TO TRUMP THE AUTHORITY OF, OF THE COUNTY. 
          AND AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT AND HONED THAT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE I'M GOOD FOOTING WITH THAT. 
          UM, A SECOND CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS, IS THAT IT APPEARS THAT THE CLOSING OF THE ROADS, UH, IS, IS IN FACT, UH, RELATED TO A SPECIFIC INDUSTRY AND PERHAPS ONE SPECIFIC BUSINESS MORE THAN OTHERS. 
          AND IT'S TRINITY MATERIALS. 
          AND IF IN FACT THAT'S THE CASE AND SEEMS TO BE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN RAISES AN ISSUE OF THIS, UH, SOMETHING TARGETED A PARTICULAR BUSINESS. 
          AND PERHAPS AS, AS MR. BONDING SUGGESTS, DEPRIVING LANDOWNERS OF, OF THE ABILITY TO SELL SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING. 
          'CAUSE IF IT'S NOT TRINITY, IT MIGHT BE SOME OTHER INDUSTRY. 
          WELL, I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO CONSIDER THAT POSSIBILITY OF A POSSIBLE ADVERSE CONDEMNATION ACTION SHOULD DECIDE CLOSE THE ROADS AND EFFECTIVELY PUT IT OUTTA BUSINESS AND PUT IT OUT OF MINERAL RIGHTS. 
          THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE SOLE DECIDING FACTOR IN THE DECISION, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF IF WE'RE WALKING INTO THAT BEFORE WE DO IT, ESPECIALLY, WE DON'T HAVE MILLIONS MORE TO SPEND IN THE LAWSUIT THAT WE, UH, DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO. 
          SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS THAT I GUESS THE MORE PRACTICAL ONES THAT Y'ALL HAVE, LOGISTICS AND ATTORNEY AND ALL THAT, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, ABOUT OUR, OUR RIGHTS RELATIVE TO THE OVERWEIGHT PERMIT. 
          WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COUNTY THAT HAS HAD THIS ISSUE, OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND, UH, I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE LOOKED, I KNOW COMMISSIONER JACKSON HAS LOOKED AND, AND TALKED AND YOU, YOU WISH TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FROM TRINITY MATERIAL AND ALSO TO A LOT OF THESE CITIZENS OUT HERE CONCERNING THIS. 
          WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITIZENS, BUT ALSO WE WANT TO STATE WITHIN THE LAW, MAKE SURE WE THE LAW, WHAT THE LAW SAYS. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN WE ASKED THE JUDGE TO LOOK INTO THIS THING. 
          AND I READ THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION TOO. 
          AND, UH, UH, I AT THIS POINT, JUDGE, I KIND OF AGREE WITH JOHN THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO TABLE THIS, LOOK INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THEN TO MAKE A DECISION, MAKE COUNTY SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT BE IN AT THIS TIME. 
          SO PROBABLY TAKES A LITTLE MORE STUDY THAN WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          AND I THINK WE MADE A COPY OF THAT AG OPINION FOR EVERYBODY. 
          Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE IT RIGHT, WHICH, YES, SIR. 
          UH, WHAT DON IS SAYING IS THAT RIGHT ON AG OPINION, THAT 
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WAS JUST ON OVERWEIGHT TRUCK PERMITS. 
          UH, THEY TO GET A, ONCE THEY GET A PERMIT FOR THE STATE TO BE OVERWEIGHT, THEY CAN DRIVE ON ANY ROAD THEY WANT TO BE COUNTY ROAD, STATE ROAD, HIGHWAY, PIPE OR WHATEVER. 
          THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE OVERWEIGHT PERMITS PROBABLY, PROBABLY A LOT OF THESE GUYS, UH, ARE NOT GETTING OVERWEIGHT PERMIT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE OVER THAT 80 SOMETHING THOUSAND POUNDS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS ADDRESSING. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES RIGHT HERE THAT, THAT THE INDUSTRY NEEDS TO BE TAKEN ABOUT IT, OF THE LANDOWNERS AFTER THEY HAVE PROPERTY, IS THAT WE'RE SAYING THROUGH TRUCKS. 
          WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T GO TO YOUR PROPERTY AND DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE RIGHT INGRESS AND EGRESS TO YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO. 
          AND THE COUNTY HAS NO AUTHORITY TO TELL YOU ANY OR NAME, NOR DO WE WANT TO, I DON'T THINK, YOU DON'T WANT COUNTY COMMISSION COURT TELL YOU WHAT YOU DO ON YOUR PRIVATE PROJECT. 
          I DO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME, I DO THINK WE HAVE SOME AUTHORITY TO REGULATE, UH, THROUGH TRUCK SHORTCUTS FROM TRUCK GOING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES, AND I I I AGREE. 
          I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE TABLE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST ONE. 
          MY ATTORNEYS TELLING ME TO DO . 
          YEAH. 
          I'M GOING LISTEN TO MY ATTORNEY. 
          BUT, UH, WE NEED TO ADDRESS, WE, IF WE JUST SAY NO THROUGH TRUCKS, UH, TECHNICALLY THAT MEANS I CAN'T DRIVE MY PICKUP DOWN TO THERE HOW, HOW THE SHERIFF ENFORCE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT IT POSSIBLY, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WEIGHT LIMIT ON A TRUCK TO GO THROUGH THERE SO THAT, UH, BUTANE TRUCK, UH, A HAY TRUCK OR WHATEVER, LIKE I SAID, AGRICULTURE IS EXEMPTED, CAN, CAN USE THOSE ROADS, YOU KNOW, CAN GO UP AND DOWN, CAN MAKE IT TAKE A SHORTCUT. 
          JC I WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ELIMINATE THAT PART HERE. 
          I GUESS WHAT, WHAT I WOULD, AND THAT REASON, I, I'VE GOT SEVERAL ROADS THAT I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TO OVER MY FIRST THING, AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO PUT A DAMPER. 
          UH, I'VE GOT IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA, MATERIAL SANDPIT. 
          I'VE GOT, UH, 10 MILES OF ROADS UP THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT SIX MILES OF THE CLOSE THROUGH TRUCKS WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SANDPIT. 
          I MEAN, THEIR AGREEMENT TO THAT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET DOWN THERE. 
          THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY. 
          THEY HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO MAKE MONEY. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          TRINITY NEEDS TO HAVE A WAY TO MAKE THE MONEY. 
          EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE CAPABILITY OF MAKING SOME MONEY ON THIS LEGAL. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE, I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONER MANAGER MAY WANNA ADDRESS THIS IN JUST A SECOND, BUT I THINK HE'S LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DOING SOME WEIGHTS ON THE COUNTY ROAD. 
          YES. 
          I, I'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH ON, UH, PUTTING ON ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL IN ELLIS COUNTY AND JOHNSON COUNTY. 
          UH, THEY'VE STOPPED A LOT OF THE OVERWEIGHT DAMAGE THAT OCCURS TO THE COUNTY ROADS. 
          UH, IT, IT, UH, HAS INCREASED THE PUBLIC SAFETY PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE BIG TRUCK END OF IT. 
          PEOPLE WHO ARE HAULING, IN OTHER WORDS, IN JOHNSON COUNTY, THEY DON'T JUST, THEY'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT HAULING ROCK OR GRAVEL, WHATEVER. 
          YOU, THEY GOT SALT WATER. 
          THEY'RE HAULING OIL AND, AND, UH, ALL SORTS OF MATERIAL. 
          WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, I, I, AND WE'LL BRING THIS UP AT ANOTHER TIME, IS TO, UH, UH, PUT ON A, AN ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO GET HIM EDUCATED AND WEIGH SOME OF THESE TRUCKS. 
          AND IF IT'S THESE INDEPENDENT GUYS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DOING THE SPEEDING AND, AND, UH, UH, RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, UH, VIOLATING THE LAW, WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN TRIM SOME OF THAT BACK, I BELIEVE WITH AN ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. 
          I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT, UH, UH, I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE, UH, OF THE ROCK PIT TO POSSIBLY WATER SOME OF THESE ROADS AND, AND CONTROL THAT DUST UNTIL WE CAN MAKE A DECISION, UH, AS TO WHAT TO DO TO BE, TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS AND THE BUSINESS AND, AND TRADE. 
          EVERYBODY FAIR? YEAH. 
          JC I HAVE BASICALLY THE SAME PROBLEM. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I BROUGHT IT UP HERE AND TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, AND, UH, WITH SOME PEOPLE BRINGING IN 78,000 POUND TRUCKS, UH, DISPERSING SOME, UH, UH, SOLID, SOLID WASTE MATERIAL OUT INTO PASTURES AS FERTILIZER. 
          AND WHILE WE FINALLY, WE NEVER WERE ABLE TO STOP 'EM, WHAT WE FINALLY DID WAS WE STARTED, UH, COLLECTING UNDER, WE COLLECTED ONCE UNDER THEIR OVERWEIGHT PERMIT BOND. 
          EVERY ONE OF 'EM HAD AN OVERWEIGHT PERMIT BOND, SO RAISED RIGHT. 
          THEY COULD GO ANYWHERE THEY WANTED TO, BUT WE TOOK PICTURES OF THE ROAD AND PICTURES OF THE ROAD, AND THEN WE PRESENTED TO THAT, TO THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY. 
          IT, IT DIDN'T 
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STOP 'EM FROM COMING THROUGH, BUT IT DID, UH, IT DID GIVE US THE MONEY TO FIX OUR ROAD. 
          SO WE COLLECTED UNDER THEIR OVERWEIGHT PERMIT BOND. 
          AND UNDER A BOND, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN AN INSURANCE POLICY. 
          THE, THE PEOPLE THAT TAKE OUT THE BOND HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY. 
          THE INSURANCE COMPANY DOESN'T PAY THE MONEY. 
          SO WE COLLECTED SOME MONEY UNDER THAT AND WE HARD TOP THE ROAD, WHICH, UH, AND THEY STILL ARE ON IT TODAY, ON THEIR CLOSED ON THEIR ROAD CLOSE HANDS AT THE SAME TIME THEY PUT ROAD CLOSE TWO TRUCKS OVER 26,500 POUNDS. 
          THEY HAD THEY CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE COULD IT LOOK, IT APPEARS WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SET A WEIGHT LIMIT ON THE ROADS AND THAT WOULD IDENTIFY THE TRUCKS THAT COULD LEGALLY USE THAT ROAD, EXCEPT THOUGH HAVE A, AN OVERWEIGHT PERMIT. 
          WELL, IF THEY HAVE NO WEIGHT PERMIT, THEY CAN GO WHERE THEY WANT TO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S AMAZING. 
          COURSE IF YOU HAVE A BRIDGE ON THAT ROAD, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 
          IF YOU HAVE A BRIDGE ON THE ROAD, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BRIDGE ON THE ROAD, I TALKED TO, UH, TIM ALLISON AND HE INFORMED ME THAT YOU HAVE TO AN ENGINEER OUT AND TAKE A  THIS ROAD AND FIGURE UP THE WEIGHT CAPACITY OF THIS ROAD, THEN YOU CAN POST A WEIGHT ENGINE ON THE ROAD. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A RIDGE, YOU ALREADY HAVE A WEIGHT END ON THE BRIDGE SO YOU CAN POST THAT. 
          UH, I THINK, UH, AT THIS POINT, THE CITIZENS HERE, THE TRUCK, THE, THE TRUCKS ARE NOT BOTHERING RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE SIX MONTHS, A YEAR DOWN, IT'S COMING. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT NOW, THE, THE ONLY ROADS THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED, AND BY THE WAY, ALL THESE ROADS ARE IN MY PRECINCT, THE ROADS THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED, THREE 17, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
           THREE 17 AND THREE 14. 
          REALLY, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED ON THREE 14, BUT THEY HAVE THE OPTION, THEY HAVE THE COVER IN AND ALL THAT. 
          AND, UH, 3 46, 48, 4 9 50. 
          I THINK THEY'LL, THEY GOT THE, THE PERMIT FOR T-C-E-Q-I THINK. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT OPENING UP, OPENING THAT ROUND. 
          SO THEY TRYING TO GET KIND OF AHEAD OF THE GAME. 
          I MEAN, THEY ASKING FOR, I STILL THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS ON THE LEGAL SIDE OF IT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, A, A CITIZEN OUT HERE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT ILLEGAL OR GET, DO SOMETHING TO GET THE COUNTY IN TROUBLE. 
          WE HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          SO I THINK WE STILL NEED TO STUDY THIS. 
          SO, WELL, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO MAYBE TALK TO THE TRINITY PEOPLE AND SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE I MAYBE LOOK AT IT. 
          AND, AND, AND HERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER THING I HEARD JERRY COMMISSIONER 
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DEN ASKED, UH, WILL THEY BE WILLING TO COMPROMISE OR IF TRINITY DO THIS, IF TRINITY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DON'T, THERE'S NO COMPROMISE. 
          IF YOU, UH, AT LEAST ONE MAN, ONE SHOULD KNOW, THINK MR. MARLEY SAID NOTE. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A SETTLEMENT OR EVERYBODY, I DUNNO, IT'S GOING, WE HAD TO BE A WAY THAT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER SOME KIND OF WAY, PROBABLY EVERYBODY. 
          BUT WHAT THAT DID IN OUR SITUATION, JZ, IT ELIMINATED THE DUST PROBLEM. 
          UH, AND WE TALKED TO 'EM CAREFULLY ABOUT SPEED. 
          SO THEY WERE, THEY WERE DRIVING SLOWER. 
          THERE HADN'T BEEN ANY ACCIDENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, AND THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHERE I HAVE HAVE NOT COMPLAINED, THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT THE ROAD BEING IN BAD SHAPE. 
          UH, AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN. 
          IT, NOBODY DOES. 
          BUT, UH, SINCE WE'VE FIXED THE ROAD, IT, WE JUST, WE, UH, GROUND IT UP AND I, WE PUT SOME ROAD OIL ON IT AND THEN WE CHIP SEALED IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL NOT PERFECT FOR THAT. 
          I, SHE SAYS WE NEED ASPHALT. 
          WE CERTAINLY DO. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S COMPLETELY OUT, OUT OF THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S SO EXPENSIVE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, UH, WE'RE STILL PATCHING ON THIS ROAD A LITTLE BIT NOW, BUT IT DID ELIMINATE THE DUST PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. 
          BUT LEMME SAY IT ON ROAD THREE 14, UH, I THINK TRINITY USED ABOUT A FOOT THE ROAD AND THEY AGREED TO KEEP THE MAINTENANCE UP, PAY FOR WHATEVER DAMAGE DONE. 
          THEY HAVE AGREED TO SOME THINGS SINCE I'M IN OFFICE AND THEY, THEY ONLY WANT USE A FOOT THE ROAD. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE CITIZENS SAYING, WELL, WHAT'S GOING KEEP FROM GOING BACK THROUGH THE OTHER PART OF THE, NOW, NOW THAT YOU COULD PUT A NO TRUCK THROUGH TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY LIKE TAKING A SHORTCUT TO GO BACK OUT SOME OTHER WAY. 
          YOU HAVE A WAY OUT, BUT YOU HAVE A BRIDGE. 
          YEAH, AND I HAVE A BRIDGE LIKE THERE, SO, OH, COOL. 
          UH, YOU COULD PUT A NO TRUCK THROUGH TRACK ON THREE, FOUR SHEETS FROM 1000 FEET BACK, SO, WELL THAT COULD WORK. 
          I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES HERE TO SORT THROUGH, BUT ONE ISSUE IS GETTING WHAT TYPE OF REGULATION WE WANT ON THE ROADS THAT ARE MENTIONED HERE. 
          PLUS THERE ARE OTHER ROADS IN THE COUNTY YEAH. 
          THAT PROBABLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE SAME TIME THAT HAVE SIMILAR SITUATIONS. 
          AND I THINK WE WOULD WANT ANY POLICY WE ADOPT TO BE CONSISTENT BECAUSE WE HAVE SAND PITS, ROCK PITS, AND GRAPHIC PITS ALL OVER THE COUNTY. 
          AND THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY BECAUSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS, THIS RESOURCE IS NOT, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE LIMITED SUPPLY OF THAT, SO IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY. 
          BUT THE OTHER THING THAT ONCE WE ADOPT WHATEVER TYPE POLICY WE ADOPT AFTER HEARING AND WORKING WITH, UH, THE, CERTAINLY WITH THE LANDOWNERS, BUT WITH THE OTHER, OTHER LANDOWNERS THAT OWN THE MATERIAL AND THE COMPANIES THAT MINE MATERIALS IS, THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE ISSUE. 
          BUT THE WHOLE ISSUE OF REGULATING IT AFTER WE GET THE FINAL POLICY ADOPTED. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE SIGNS YOU WANT UP, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TO REGULATE THAT, MONITOR THAT. 
          AND I TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THAT THE OTHER DAY, MUCH LIKE YOU WERE, UH, TALKING, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, AND I BELIEVE DAVID, YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU AND, UH, THE COMMISSIONER ARE THE, UH, CONSTABLE DOWN IN PRECINCT FOUR. 
          PRECINCT FOUR, COMMISSIONER BRYAN. 
          UH, MARK WANTS TO, UH, START A, WHAT YOU CALLED IN MY REGARDING LICENSE AND WEIGHT PROJECT ODPS. 
          UH, HE, UH, I GAVE HIM A VEHICLE THAT, UH, THE SUBURBAN THAT WAS SEIZED VEHICLE WE TOOK FOR DRUG DEALERS. 
          UH, HE IS IN THE PROCESS, I ASSUME SOME SCALES AND GO GET TRAINED BY D PS AND HE'S GOING TO BE, UH, WORKING THE OLD WEIGHT, UH, AND THAT, THAT TYPE CAN'T DO DO DOT STUFF FOR FEDERAL STUFF, DO ANY STATE, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE LAW. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S GONNA CONCENTRATING ON. 
          I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A, SOME KIND OF A ROBBERY ON THAT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE ON THAT. 
          WE GAVE HIM THE VEHICLE AND HE WAS CHECKING ON THE WHAT SCALE TO, UH, AND THEN HE'D GO GET THE TRAINING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE PRE, I MEAN IT BE, IT WOULD BE COUNTYWIDE OPERATION JURISDICTION THAT HE WAS, UH, HAVE DISCUSS HIS SPECIFICALLY WITH HIM. 
          BUT I KNOW HE WOULD BE AGREEABLE IF WE HAD A PROBLEM IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          BILL WORKS IN AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO, DO SOME 
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PROACTIVE THINGS. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, I, I WONDER IF, AS, AS WE PROCEED, UH, WHAT OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE, WE HAVE LEGAL OPINIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED HERE AND THREATS AND PURSUITS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WHICH ALWAYS MAKE LIFE INTERESTING FOR ALL OF US. 
          UH, BUT I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, WE, THIS IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACT ON THIS, UH, SOMETIME IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          UH, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO HAVE A, A WORKSHOP JUST DEDICATED TO THIS ISSUE OR YOU WANT TO FORM A COMMITTEE, UH, UH, TO LOOK AT IT INCLUDING, UH, THE VARIOUS PARTIES AND HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE VARIOUS PARTIES. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE I AGREE, COME AND TALK TO US AT THAT WORKSHOP FROM WEIGHTS AND MEASURES OR WHOEVER IT IS THAT REGULATES THAT SO THAT WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH TRUCKS OR WE TALKING ABOUT OVERLOAD PERMITS? EXACTLY. 
          WHAT CAN THE COUNTY DO? AND JOHN, I THINK COULD HELP LEAD THAT DISCUSSION AND PROBABLY GET SOME, UH, SOME ASSISTANCE AND OF COURSE WE HAVE WITH THE OTHER FOLKS HERE THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND FROM, UH, WHAT MR. MANNING SAID THAT IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER COUNTIES THAT FEEL LIKE THEY'VE ADDRESSED IT IN SOME WAY AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM, BUT IF IT'S SIMILAR ISSUES YEAH, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR. 
          SOME GUIDANCE. 
          THERE'S NOT A COMMISSIONER HERE THAT HASN'T HAD SOME ROAD PROBLEMS WITH OVERLOADED TRUCKS. 
          AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT? UH, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH TRUCKS? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUCKS THAT JUST COME IN AND STOP AND GO BACK? UH, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF LEGAL THINGS HERE THAT WE NEED TO, THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE CORRECT SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHAT IS THE CORRECT VERBIAGE ON THE SIGNAGE SO THAT WE DON'T INADVERTENTLY DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME SIGN UP THAT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES HERE THAT TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS TODAY, BUT I DON'T WANT ANY WATER BRIDGE AND MORE WATER THE BRIDGE. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND GET THIS THING WORKING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO TRY TO GET RESOLVED. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT BECAUSE THE ISSUES THAT OUR ATTORNEYS BROUGHT UP TO US, I DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, DELAY ACTION OR TAKE NO ACTION OR TABLE. 
          AND UNTIL WE CAN FIND THAT A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZATION AND HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER MANNING, UH, FURTHER THE DISCUSSION. 
          I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET US A WORKSHOP TOGETHER. 
          SO PRETTY QUICK, QUICK ANYBODY SCHEDULE, WE'LL LET JOHN DO SOME CHECKING AND GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS HE CAN SPEAK WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS THE FOLKS THAT WERE HERE TODAY, AND I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME HERE TODAY GOING, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS AN OPEN PROCESS AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOP. 
          YOU'LL BE WELCOME TO ATTEND. 
          UH, AND WE WILL POST THAT AND YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY CHECK ON MINE FROM TIME TO TIME AND SEE WHEN WE'LL DO, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT WILL BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL GET, UH, GET THAT INFORMATION POSTED AND, UH, AND GO FROM THERE. 
          OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE, UH, THE MOTION TO, I'D LIKE TO SAY THE WORKSHOP COME IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, AT THE VERY LEAST. 
          YEAH, I THINK SO TOO. 
          PRETTY QUICK. 
          YEAH. 
          WE NEED ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE REST OF REPORT BACK INTO SESSION. 
          AND NEXT ITEM IS TO HEAR FROM KATHY MORRIS, WHO IS GOING TO DISCUSS AND ASK US TO PERHAPS ACT ON APPROVING AN UPDATED AND AMENDED LOCAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLTON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD POST OAK BEND PRAIRIE, OAK RIDGE, OAK GROVE AND ROSSER TO REGULATE PERMITTING AND COMPLAINTS REGARDING ONSIDE SEWAGE, SEWAGE FACILITIES LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF THAT LESSON LINE. 
          THERE WAS MISTAKE . 
          YEAH, WELL TAKE THE CITY OF I THOUGHT WE'D ALREADY DONE. 
          YEAH, WELL, YEAH. 
          UH, ANGIE HAD CHECKED WITH JOHN WHEN WAS POINTED OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CLARK. 
          I GOT IN CHARGE WITH HURRY. 
          SHE SAID THAT JOHN DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY IT WAS WORDED. 
          ALL IT IS IS JUST UPDATING OUR LOCAL ORDERS FOR ON SITE SEW FACILITIES TO REGULATE THOSE WITHIN THOSE CITIES. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THAT SOME OF THEM WERE DONE BACK IN THE EARLY NINETIES AND THEY ACTUALLY EVEN APPOINT THE PERSON WHO WAS THE DR AT THE TIME,  AT THE TIME TO DO THOSE PROGRAMS. SO THEY DO NEED TO BE UPDATED. 
          DOES CAT, ARE THE, ARE THE IN LEVEL AGREEMENTS WORDED DIFFERENTLY? YES. 
          DOES SHE HAVE SOME, IS TOMMY GONNA HAVE TO REDO ALL OF HIS THAT HE JUST DID LAST WEEK? HIS WAS A ROAD. 
          HIS ROAD? THAT'D BE ALRIGHT. 
          THESE WERE UPDATED. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE GET COPIES OF THOSE 
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AN OH, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE SHOULD BE. 
          UNLESS SHE PURPOSELY HELD THEM OUT, I DON'T THINK SHE COULD DO. 
          HOW MAY WE APPROVE THEIR YEAH, WE DID SET A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER JACKSON. 
          DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED, THANK, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT IS, UH, CONSTABLE JOE DON LAW TO DISCUSS HIS RACIAL PROFILING PROFILING FOR PRECINCT TWO AND VAR CITY. 
          WE GIVE THAT BACK TO YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'LL SPEED READ. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THE, IN THE, THAT IS OUR RACIAL PROFILE REPORT FOR COMFORTABLE'S OFFICE IN PRECINCT TWO. 
          AND IN THE FRONT PACKET PART IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO TLO, TEXAS COMMISSION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER STANDARDS IN EDUCATION. 
          AND THAT'S A NEW RULE. 
          AND THAT THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE HAD TO DO THAT. 
          BUT IT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED ON THE, UH, 27TH AND ACCEPTED ON THE 27TH. 
          Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CONSTABLE? HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPLAINTS? I KNEW? NO SIR. 
          WE HAVE NOT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JOE. 
          WOULD THIS TEAM CLOSE THINGS SATISFY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR US TOO AT THE SAME TIME? THAT'S, UH, THIS ALL BE WE WE NEED TO GET FROM NOW. 
          IT IT, IT CAN BE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, THAT'S A BREAKDOWN FOR IF, UH, SOMEONE COMES IN AND QUESTIONS WHAT THE SPECIFIC TICKETS, CITATIONS, RACIAL PROFILING, UH, THAT'S SUCH A WASTE OF TIME AND PAPER. 
          IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE WHILE IF HE JUST DID THIS ONE, MAYBE IT WOULD BE SIMPLE, BUT THAT, THAT IS WHAT'S SUBMITTED TO, UH, T FOLKS AND WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          WHY? WHAT WHAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO THIS PART? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE IN DEPTH DETAIL PART OF THE RACIAL PROFILE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT THERE? YOU JUST GOT THE BOTTOM LINE THAT YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME BACKUP. 
          YOU STILL HAVE TO DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT, THAT RIGHT THERE IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IN OUR OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU JONAH? YES, SIR. 
          UH, HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ACCEPTED REPORT. 
          SECOND CONS. 
          CLARK . 
          SECOND COMMISSIONER JACKSON. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          GO. 
          OPPOSED? ITEM NUMBER 10 IS, UH, FROM CONSTABLE SANDERS. 
          HE HAS ASKED US TO, UH, TABLE THAT AND, UH, SO, UH, AND FORM REPORT LATER ON I MAKE MOTION. 
          MR. JACKSON MAKES THAT MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. ROUND SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          CARRIE, DIDN'T, UH, SHERIFF DAVID BURNS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PROFILE INFORMATION PROFILE FOR COURT IN THOUSAND 10? THE DIRECTION PROFILE BEFORE WE DID HAVE ONE COMPLAINT, THE COMPLAINT WAS ACTUALLY A YEAR AFTER THE ALLEGED, UH, INCIDENT. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT MUCH TO, TO, UH, INVESTIGATE. 
          UH, THERE WAS NO, NO BASIS. 
          IN FACT, UH, I WROTE THE COMPLAINANT LETTER AS I'M REQUIRED TO BYLAW TELLING NOT BEEN ABLE TO ASCERTAIN ANY VIOLATIONS. 
          IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO. 
          HEARD, BUT IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AFTER THE ALLEGED INCIDENT WITH COMPLAIN, AND HE WENT AND PAID THE, THE TICKET THAT HE GOT PLED GUILTY AND PAID IT. 
          I MATTER. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT GOT UNDER HIS ASYLUM. 
          YOU RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LETTER. 
          DID YOU WRITE HIM A THANK YOU LETTER? NO, I DID NOT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY HOT ON OUR AGENDA. 
          YOU KNOW, SHERRY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF LIKE STATUTE, THEY COME BACK TIME AND COMPLAIN TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          OH YEAH, THEY CAN, SURE. 
          BUT IT IS, THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, THAT NOW WE WOULD HAVE IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING, ALL OF OUR BACK THEN WE HAD THE, THE VCRS, YOU KNOW, THE VHS TAPE AND WE KEPT THOSE 90 DAYS AND THEN WE RECYCLE THE TAPE. 
          NOW WE DO IT ON PERMANENT RECORD. 
          SO WE COULD GO BACK, UH, PROBABLY FIVE YEARS IF ONE COMES AND, AND, AND PICK THAT UP NOW BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE RETAINING THOSE, UH, RECORDS IN PERPETUITY. 
          NOW A COMPLAINT, WHEN YOU GET A COMPLAINT, IS THAT A WRITTEN COMPLAINT OR IS AN ORAL COMPLAINT? IT WAS A WRITTEN COMPLAINT, BUT IT, IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN TO, BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION UNDER, UNDER THE, UH, GOVERNMENT CODE ON A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WE HAVE TO 
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PRESENT THEM A COPY OF. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD URGE SOMEBODY TO, UH, PUT THAT IN WRITING IF WE DO ALL OF THIS STUFF. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF SHERIFF? THANK YOU SHERIFF. 
          NOT IDENTIFY A MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND GET THOSE DOWN. 
          COMMISSIONER JACKSON. 
          MOTION MADE THE MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER CLARK SECOND MOTION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A AYE. 
          THOSE POSTS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SHERIFF ALSO HAS, UH, BLOODHOUND, HE'S GOING TO DONATE TO  COUNTY FLOOD HEALTH. 
          OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE, UH, KIND OF WENT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION A FEW YEARS BACK ON OUR KINE UNIT. 
          UH, WE HAD ONE BLOOD DOWN THAT, THAT DIED AND WE BOUGHT ANOTHER ONE. 
          I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL YOU. 
          WELL, WE BOUGHT THIS WITH ASSET FOSTER FUNDS OR COUNTY MONEY. 
          UH, ONE OF 'EM WE BOUGHT. 
          UH, BUT TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, I JUST THOUGHT I'D GO AND GET, UH, PERMISSION TO GIVE THAT TO  COUNTY HAS GOT A, A VERY VIABLE BLOODHOUND. 
          UH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH NEED FOR 'EM. 
          SO IT'S THE UPKEEP. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, TRAIN THEM ALL TIME. 
          AND IT JUST, WE'VE, UH, KIND OF CHANGED OUR PROGRAM AGAIN AND GONE BACK TO WHAT WE CALL PATROL DOG WITH A DUAL PURPOSE, UH, TRACKING VAN, UH, TRACKING IT ALSO, WE'LL CALL A PATROL DOG. 
          THEY'LL BUY SOMEBODY IF WE NEED TO. 
          UH, WE NEVER HAVE HAD ONE, ANYBODY THANK, BUT, UH, AND I DO HAVE A, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE AGREEMENT GONE UP THAT I'LL GET JOHN  BEFORE WE DO THAT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE PENDING HIS APPROVAL OF THE LEGAL DOCUMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, MR. STACY, THIS IS DUKE. 
          DUKE, YEAH. 
          DA DUKE, I SUPPOSE NOT GOING THERE. 
          IF YOU HAVE NEED ONE, YOU CAN CALL THEM AND THEY COME OVER AND HELP US. 
          UH, OH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE COULD GET 'EM OUT OF COALFIELD PRISON. 
          EVIDENT, EVIDENTLY PRETTY VALUABLE. 
          I SAW WHERE SUB COUNTY DONATED DOG FROM ONE SHERIFF APPOINTMENT TO ANOTHER, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT TEAM. 
          IT WAS VALUED. 
          10,000. 
          WE DIDN'T BUY THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ROW MAKES THE MOTION SECOND. 
          ANY SECONDS? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM 13, AS OUR AUDITOR HAL JONES TO PRESENT AUDITORS COURT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? LOT, LOTS OF PAPER HERE. 
          I THINK THIS IS FIRST ONE OF THESE I RECEIVED, SO YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SCHOOL LAST MONTH. 
          I THINK YOU SUPPOSED READ THAT. 
          TELL US. 
          I'LL STUDY IT. 
          I'LL STUDY IT TONIGHT AND GIVE YOU ALL THE REPORT TOMORROW. 
          I'LL LOOK IT OVER THOUGH. 
          I PROMISE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT HERE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AUDITOR OR TO ACCEPT THE AUDIT REPORT. 
          OR YOU, YOU NEED TO ON, I DUNNO THAT THEY ALWAYS HAVE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT SAYS TO PRESENT ALL JUST IN CASE. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? MOTION TO ACCEPT. 
          13. 
          COMMISSIONER JACKSON, THEN COMMISSIONER MANNING. 
          ACCEPTANCE. 
          YES. 
          13. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE POSTS. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, DISCUSS AND ACT ON SETTING A DATE FOR THE 2011 COUNTYWIDE CLEANUP CAMPAIGN, WHICH COMES PRETTY, UH, COMES IN MAY, I THINK IN MAY. 
          I ASKED ABOUT THIS VIDEO IS TRYING TO COORDINATE THE CLEAN UP ROUTE. 
          I THINK THEY WENT ON AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR DATES ALREADY, BUT THEY ASKED ME BACK IN JANUARY, I TOOK  AND RALPH. 
          WHERE'S RALPH? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HELPED US WITH? UH, WE FOLLOWED SEVERAL YEARS NOW. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG, UH, DO THE ADVERTISING, BASICALLY THE FLYER PART. 
          AND I KNOW, UH, MAYBE TOMMY AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT WE, UH, WE SIMPLY AGREED A LONG TIME AGO TO, UH, TO UH, DO THE FLYER FOR THIS AND WE TRANSLATE IT TO SPANISH, UM, 
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ON ONE SIDE. 
          AND OF COURSE THE FLYER ON THE OTHER. 
          AND REALLY ALL I NEED FROM Y'ALL IS IF Y'ALL ARE GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES ON IT, YOU MAKE ANY KIND OF CHANGES, YOU JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN, UH, I'LL, I'VE GOT THIS ON MY COMPUTER AND I JUST GENERATED OUT, UH, WE, WE PASS THE FLYERS OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OF DEPUTIES, PASS 'EM OUT, AND UH, OF COURSE WE TAKE THEM TO EVERY STORE IN YEAH. 
          COUNTY AND EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT WE CAN, WE PUT THIS OUT, WE, I THINK WE DO LIKE 5,000 COFFEE OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE SOMEWHERE AROUND FIVE, 10,000 LAST YEAR. 
          WE HELD IT ACCORDING TO THIS, ON MAY 14TH 15. 
          AND THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE, THAT LIKE THURSDAY AND A FRIDAY, FRIDAY, FRIDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. 
          SO IT'S, WE ALWAYS TRY TO WORK AROUND THE WEEK AFTER MOTHER DAY OR BEFORE MOTHER. 
          IT PROBABLY WAS A WEEK AFTER MOTHER'S DAY. 
          MOTHER DAY. 
          MOTHER'S DAY IS, YEAH. 
          THE EIGHTH. 
          MAY. 
          EIGHTH DAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          MAY THE 13TH. 
          UH, THAT'S A GOOD DAY TO HAVE IT CLEANED UP. 
          13TH, FRIDAY 13TH. 
          I KNOW WE DO THE 13TH AND THE 14TH. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT SECOND? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF HAS ALREADY. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR BREAK ON THE 13TH AND 14TH. 
          UH, READY TO DO IT ON, UH, 13TH AND 14TH OF MAY OF THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECOND THAT. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, CLARK WANTS TO GIVE US A REPORT ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLEA COMMITTEE, UH, MEETINGS IF HE'S BEEN PARTICIPATING. 
          ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT CLOSING COUNTY ROAD, BUT  I OPPORTUNITY ABOUT THAT WAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS SO FAR. 
          WANTED TO UPDATE THE COURT ON WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          ONLY ONE PERSON BESIDE MYSELF COULD BE THERE AT A TIME. 
          UH, IT WAS KIND OF SURPRISING IN THE FIRST MEETING AND WE HAD, UH, ALMOST EVERY MAYOR HAD THE COUNTY THERE AT, AT THE FIRST MEETING. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS, SURPRISINGLY DEBATE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS LOT DISCUSSION WORK TOWARDS PUBLIC TRANSIT. 
          TOM, YOU WERE THERE, WEREN'T YOU? YES SIR. 
          AND I REALLY LITTLE BIT SURPRISED IN THAT, THAT, UH, THERE WAS THAT MUCH INTEREST IN DOING SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PLANNING FOR THE COUNTY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF PROCEED. 
          THAT TO ME, IN MY MIND, THAT WAS A SMALL ITEM WE ABOUT TO DO BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS WAY OUT THERE IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME LONG TERM PLANNING FOR US TO GET THERE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ON TOP. 
          ONE OF OUR TOP ITEMS TO DO TO START PLANNING FOR THAT. 
          UH, MOSTLY IT WAS TO GETTING QUIET TYPE THING. 
          SEE WHAT ISSUE NEED TO BE MADE. 
          ONE PHASE WE DISCOVERED NOT ANYBODY'S, UH, SURPRISE WAS THAT WE'RE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO BE DONE . 
          WE, WE GENERALLY AGREED THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO, UH, GET SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND GUIDE US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON TRANSPORTATION. 
          UH, NOT MUCH MONEY IN THERE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT AWAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OH NO. 
          AND THIS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS LONG TERM PLANNING. 
          AS YOU WILL KNOW, START THIS COMING, UH, THE 22ND OF FEBRUARY, WE HAVE, UH, COUNTY JUDGE, UH, MARK RILEY FROM PARKER COUNTY COMING DOWN TO VISIT WITH US. 
          IT'LL BE HERE IN THE POOL. 
          IT'LL BE AROUND HERE RIGHT. 
          TO VISIT WITH US ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEY DID UP THERE, UH, ON, THEY HAD A COUNTYWIDE BOND ELECTION TO DO SOME ROADS. 
          AND HE'S GOING TO GIVE US WHAT THEY DID UP THERE FOR THAT. 
          UH, I ANTICIPATE IN ON MARCH MEETING, UH, HAVING ROCKWALL COUNTY COME AND TELL US WHAT THEY DID ON A BOND ELECTION AND TO SEE IF WE SEE IF THE COUNTY ACTUALLY WANTS TO GO FOR A BOND ELECTION IN THE FUTURE. 
          NOT RIGHT NOW, IN THE FUTURE SOMETIME TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE GONNA PAY FOR SOME OF OUR PROJECTS. 
          THE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS OF LOOKING AT THINGS THE WAY PARKER COUNTY DID. 
          WAIT, ROCKWALL COUNTY DID IT. 
          SO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE WAS, IS ALL THE MAYORS TO SEE WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE THAT THEY WOULD WORK BEST FOR. 
           COUNTY. 
          HAVE THEY EVER HAD A BOND ELECTION? JUST FOR ROADS? JUST FOR COUNTY ROADS, LIKE THE PRECINCT ROADS? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ONE? NOT THAT I CAN REMEMBER. 
          YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T MEAN PRECINCT BY PRECINCT, I MEAN A COUNTY ONE. 
          HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYBODY DO ONE? THERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY, UH, THE COUNTY ROADS IS MY RESPONSIBILITY. 
          YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          YOU'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERALL, AN OVERALL COUNTYWIDE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. 
          HIGHWAY 1 75, HIGHWAY 80 34, WHATEVER ISSUES COME UP. 
          I JUST WONDER IF ANYBODY'S EVER DONE ANYTHING THAT, IS THIS MEETING ON THE 28TH? 
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IT'S GONNA BE ON THE 22ND. 
          22ND. 
          ONLY ONE OF YOU GUYS CAN BE THERE. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          I WONDER IF WE NEED TO POST, WELL IF YOU POST DON'T SHOW POST IN THESE MEETINGS IS WE'RE LIMITED TO TALKING ABOUT JUST WHAT WE HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA WHERE, UH, IT'D BE GREAT FOR EVERY COMMISSIONER TO BE THERE IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN. 
          JOHN IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN HELP US ON IF, UH, SURE. 
          I MEAN WHAT I MEAN BE MORE WORKSHOP THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DECISIONS THAT, BUT I THINK, I THINK COMMISSIONER CLARK'S POINT IS STILL WELL TAKEN THAT YOU WANT TO POST IT OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TO ALLOW WHOEVER WANTS TO ATTEND. 
          YEAH. 
          TO ATTEND AND THEN PHRASE IT BROADLY. 
          NOT THAT YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT IT BROADLY. 
          I, I WOULD LOVE FOR EVERYBODY TO COME IN THERE. 
          I, I GUESS ON THIS PARTICULAR MEETING SINCE WE'RE HAVING, UH, JUDGE RILEY COME IN, WE COULD JUST LIMIT OUR CONVERSATION TO WHAT THE MAYORS AND, BUT THE OTHER CITY MANAGER STUFF I'M TALK ABOUT JUST SAY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA AND  BOTH TIME. 
          IT'S SUCH A BROAD DISCUSSION AREA. 
          I THINK DO, BECAUSE I THINKERS NEED TO BE THERE ALL, I'D LIKE TO CUT 22ND AND SIX O'CLOCK, SIX O RIGHT HERE. 
          AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE THESE MEETINGS LAST ONE HOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GET BACK HOME. 
          WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT TO SO WE CAN DO THAT. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO TO THE, UH, ANNUAL CHAMBER BANQUET ON THE 22ND THAT NIGHT. 
          YEAH, BUT I THINK THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR SOCIAL. 
          IS THAT THE 22ND OF 22ND? I JUST THOUGHT I'D POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE OH, FOR THE COFFMAN CHAMBER. 
          COFFMAN CHAMBER. 
          I JUST THOUGHT I'D POINT THAT OUT. 
          WELL, SOME OF US PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO GO, BUT MAYBE THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY. 
          SO I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S WHEN, WHAT TIME OF THE BACK WOULD START? I THINK SIX O SIX CAN'T FOR THE MAYOR KAUFMAN TO COME TO MY MEETING. 
          I AIN'T NO CHOICE. 
          THEY FEED TOO. 
          AND YOU CAFETERIA. 
          NO, WE'RE NOT FEEDING. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND POST IT AND THEN WE MAKE OUR DETERMINATION. 
          BUT SOME OF IT WILL PROBABLY FEBRUARY 22ND, IT'S SIX O'CLOCK HERE. 
          WE'VE BEEN TRAINED ON THE FOURTH MENTION BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH, UH, ANY CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, MOST OF THE CITIES HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING. 
          I MEAN WE'VE HAD, UH, IF WE HAD MESQUITE, UH, LET'S SEE, THE MAYOR CRANDALL CALLED AND HAD AND HAD A COMMITMENT. 
          HE COULDN'T MAKE IT TIME AND UH, THE MAYOR CALLED AND HAD COMMITMENT, COULDN'T MAKE IT. 
          BUT, UH, THE OTHER, BUT THAT WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD TENDANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I REPORT ON TIME, I THINK. 
          WELL, AND, AND I KNOW TIME IS DRAWING THAT, BUT COULD YOU GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE, UH, AND WE'RE NOT JUST AN UPDATE KIND OF INFORMATION ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING FROM BID. 
          I KNOW THE HIGHWAY 34 PROJECTS, MATERIALS TO BE BID OUT IN MARCH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, WHAT'S THE OTHER TIME FRAME OR DO YOU KNOW, UH, WAIT FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE, I BELIEVE OVER A PARTY, UH, WHAT YOU WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT PROBABLY COME OUT THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS WITH THE BID. 
          UH, THE FORNEY UH, PARKWAY. 
          THE FORNEY PARKWAY PROJECT MATERIAL PROJECT, LIKE I SAID, IS SET UP FOR BID, I BELIEVE NEXT MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          IN MARCH. 
          AND THEN IT'S COMPLETELY FUNDED THROUGH TECHNOLOGY CRANDALL PROJECT AND THE COFFMAN PROJECT, THE CRANDALL PROJECT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WITHIN THE SEA LIMITS. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          THE KAMAN PROJECT, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, PURCHASING THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AS WE PURCHASE OR SEEK DONATIONS, WHICH I THINK YOU'LL SEE ON THE AGENDA ITEM HERE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING THAT WE WANT TO AUTHORIZE US TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET THE RIGHT OF WAY IN HAND, UH, GET THE ENGINEERING DONE ON THAT. 
          HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT THING GOING WITHIN A YEAR. 
          UH, KAUFMAN IS GOING TO GO OUT THROUGH A PASS THROUGH APPLICATION FOR THE, UH, SOUTHERN PORTION OF HIGHWAY 34. 
          YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'VE COMMITTED TO GETTING IT BUILT FROM 2 43 TO 1 75. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING THROUGH A PASTURE WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET IT BUILT FROM, UH, 1 75 BACK 2 34, AGAIN SOUTH OF THE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS MAKING A TRUE BYPASS. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE OWN, THERE'S 26 PARCEL OF PROPERTY INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          AND BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, DDC, WE CONTROL NINE OF THEM AND WE CONTROL THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT ON THE, WHAT I CALL PHASE TWO OF HIGHWAY. 
          SO RIGHT OF WAY ON THAT PART SHOULD BE A . 
          NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH A WHOLE LEGAL PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET THIS THING DONE AND I BELIEVE IN PHASE TWO OF IT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A TAKING OF OR DONATION ON THE COUNTY'S PART FOR CLOSE TO 20 ACRES. 
          YEAH. 
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30. 
          BUT, SO WE'LL GET CREDIT FOR THE VALUE OF VALUE OF 20 ACRES. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE LOCAL PARTICIPATION USED TO, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE 10% OF YOUR MONEY TYPE ANY PROJECT FOR LOCAL, BECAUSE WE'RE, UH, A DISADVANTAGED COUNTY, UH, WE'RE OUR, OUR MATCH IS ONLY 4.2%. 
          AND SO WE'RE GOING TO WORD THIS THING OUT WHERE WE ONLY ACTUALLY DONATE 4.2% OF THE VALUE OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GET CREDIT FOR THE 28TH FOR THE, THE OTHER AMOUNT, AMOUNT, THE OTHER AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT WE'VE GOT OR WE GET IN DONATIONS OR WHATEVER TO REDUCE OUR COST OVERALL, WHICH IN TURN ACTUALLY COMES OUT. 
          THIS HAND PUTS IN THIS HAND OVER HERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET CREDIT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY OVER HERE FOR X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FUND X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR CONSTRUCTION OVER HERE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE OUR EXPOSURE IN IT. 
          IT'S, UH, AS YOU WELL KNOW, HIGHWAY FINANCING IS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED. 
          EVEN, EVEN WHEN YOU THINK YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT, IT GETS EVEN WORSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS, RAY, ABOUT ANY OF THAT? NO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU HONOR, ALRIGHTYY, ITEM 16 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON RAISING RATES FOR THE PRECINCT FOUR ECO. 
          AND MARILYN IS WITH US TODAY. 
          AND TOM, I DIDN'T NEED TO TELL YOU AND I FORGOT TO DO THAT. 
          MARYLAND HAS, UH, SUGGESTED THAT WE, NOT ONLY THAT WE MIGHT INCLUDE OTHER ECO STATIONS IN THE COUNTY IN THIS SAME PROCESS AND MAYBE NOT ACT ON THIS TODAY, BUT TRY TO GET EVERYBODY, SOME THAT SINCE TRY TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY. 
          MARILYN, YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THAT YEAH, YEAH. 
          WHY DON'T YOU COME UP TO THE, TO THE MICROPHONE HERE AND, UH, TOM ASKED ME TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA OR TALKED TO US ABOUT PUTTING THIS ON AND I WISHED I'D THOUGHT WE WOULD'VE INCLUDED THESE OTHERS AT THE SAME TIME, BUT, WELL, MAINLY MY CONCERN IS THAT, 'CAUSE I HEARD THE PRICE WAS GOING FROM SEVEN 50 TO 12 AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT IF YOU DO THAT WITH NOT BEING OPEN ON SATURDAYS, YOU'RE GONNA PUSH EVERYBODY TO WANT TO COME OVER HERE THE 10 MINUTES TO BRING THEIR TRASH OVER TO THIS SITE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, THIS SITE AT KAUFMAN IS $5 FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AS SEVEN 50. 
          SO WHAT, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE CITY OF KAUFMAN, UH, MANAGERS, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO UP ON THEIRS. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAD AT SEVEN 50 AT CAMP, WE HAVE AT SEVEN 50 OVER IN TER AND $5 IN COFFMAN, WHICH HINDERED, I BELIEVE IN THE VERY BEGINNING HINDERED YOU BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST SAID, WELL, I'VE BEEN COMING TO KAUFMAN ANYWAY, WE OPENED THE ECO STATION, BUT YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT, IT'S CHEAPER TO COME HERE THEN WITH CLOSING IT ON SATURDAYS. 
          MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON SATURDAYS DO COME OVER HERE. 
          AND BOB, I'VE TALKED TO BOB JOHNSTON WHO'S OVER THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          HE SAYS A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM PRECINCT FOUR ARE COMING OVER HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE FORCED TO RAISE OURS. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST THE ONE SITE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING THAT IF WE COULD ALL GET TOGETHER, BUT IT WOULD NEED TO BE CITY OF KAUFMAN PEOPLE, CITY OF TERRELL, AND THEN SAY LET'S DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY, ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD SO THAT EVERYONE IS ON AN EQUAL BASIS. 
          AND I STILL TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT OPEN, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT OPEN EVERY SATURDAY, YOU NEED TO GIVE YOUR RESIDENTS A WAY TO DISPOSE OF THEIR TRASH, UM, IF THEY WORK. 
          AND MOST PEOPLE WORK NOWADAYS, SO YOU'VE GOT ELDERLYS PROBABLY THAT ARE COMING OUT THERE AND MAYBE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPEN DURING THE WEEK, BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE FORCED TO COME TO THIS SITE ON SATURDAYS. 
          SO THEY, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY NOT OVER THERE. 
          THAT'S JUST MY, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT ON IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT IF WE ALL JUST REALLY SAT DOWN AND TRIED TO PUT OUR BRAINS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK BETTER, THAT UM, THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A BETTER SITUATION THAN YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN PUTTING YOUR PRICING WAY UP THERE, I KIND OF THINK IT'LL STILL FORCE MORE PEOPLE TO WANT TO COME HERE. 
          SO THEN WE'RE JUST STUCK WITH MORE OF NOTHING OVER THERE. 
          WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO GET THE WELL, I UNDERSTOOD WHEN I MET WITH YOU BEFORE I UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY DOWN THERE AND I'M THE ONE THAT'S 
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TAKING THE BUDGET WHOOPING ON IT EVERY MONTH. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST A, IT'S NOT JUST A THING, IT'S JUST KIND OF FLOATING ALONG HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REALLY TAKING A WHIPPING ON IT DOWN THERE. 
          I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN I MET WITH YOU THAT I COULD RAISE MY RATES IF I NEED TO DOWN THERE AND I NEED TO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT, I NEED, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, I WOULD URGE DEAL. 
          I I WOULD URGE, UH, EVERYBODY WHO IS OVERSEEING ONE OF THESE ECO STATIONS TO RAISE YOUR RATES POST HAY BECAUSE I MEAN, FOR, UH, EVER SINCE THAT THING'S BEEN OPEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN CHARGING US, UH, THEY'VE BEEN CHARGING $7 50 CENTS TO GET RID OF A YARD OF GARBAGE. 
          AND IT COSTS 1188. 
          THAT'S REAL COST IS $11 88. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ANOTHER, ANOTHER, I'M HAVING LOTS OF DUMPSTERS DOWN THERE AND THESE TIRES ARE REALLY, REALLY WHOOPING. 
          I'VE GOT A, I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH A LADY ON WEDNESDAY. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, THIS TIRE SITUATION WILL CHANGE, BUT THAT'S WHY I, I'VE REALLY GONE UP DRASTICALLY ON THIS TIRE THING. 
          WE MAY WIND UP WITH 'EM ON THE SIDE OF THE COUNTY ROAD. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT WE DON'T, BUT, UH, I'VE, I'VE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, YOU WOULD JUST BE OUT PICKING THEM UP OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          WELL, WE'RE DOING THAT ANYWAY, BUT WE ARE REALLY TAKING A WHIPPING DOWN THERE. 
          AND, UH, I WANTED THIS, I ALREADY HAVE THE STUFF, UH, PRINTED UP THAT WE'RE DO YEAH, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SAMPLE, BUT, UH, I ALREADY HAVE IT PRINTED UP BECAUSE, UH, UH, I WASN'T ANTICIPATING HAVING THE TABLE THIS THING, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY RATES BY MARCH 1ST. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THE PAPERWORK THAT I, THAT I HAVE GOING ON IT. 
          AND, UH, I JUST WASN'T, I WASN'T AWARE THAT, UH, UH, I NEEDED TO, UH, UH, GO THROUGH AND GET ALL THE ECO STATIONS IN THE CITY OF KAUFMAN AND BECAUSE THE CITY OF KAUFMAN IS NOT HAVING ME PAY MY BILL DOWN THERE AND I'M TRYING TO GET THAT THING, I, I REALIZED IT WASN'T BUILT TO BE PROFITABLE, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET IT WHERE IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER BEING IN, IN THE BLACK INSTEAD OF BEING THIS FAR AWAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS THIS CLOSE, I I COULD LIVE WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UH, I, I, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE GET IN AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD DO THIS IF THAT'S WHAT THE COURT WANTS TO DO AND THE 28TH ON FEBRUARY THE 28TH, I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE MEET AT, WHEN WE MEET AGAIN. 
          BUT MY ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT IT IS IF YOU DO ONE THING, AND LET'S SAY YOURS IS $5 HIGHER THAN WHAT PRECINCT THREE IS, OR PRECINCT ONE OR PRECINCT TWO, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. 
          MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE I THINK ASK QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED, ALL THE GUYS, PEOPLE BEEN GOING TO, YOURS COULD SUDDENLY COME OVER HERE TO PRECINCT TWO. 
          SO THERE IS SOME VALIDITY I THINK IN HAVING I AGREE. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO RIGHT NOW. 
          NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO, UH, MAKE THAT THING WORK DOWN THERE AND UH, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY TO TABLE IT TO UH, UH, KEEP THE BURDEN OFF SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          WELL IT JUST, IT'S JUST GOING PUT ME BACK SOME, BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TAKING A WHOOPING, YOU JUST TAKE A WHOOPING. 
          WELL, WE'RE SORT OF PARTNERS WITH THE CITY, SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO COORDINATE, TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          WELL, I LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE TAKING WHOOPING. 
          I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I, MY PERSON IS HAVE ON THESE PERMITS AND STUFF, WHERE, WHERE DOES THIS MONEY GO? WHO GETS THIS MONEY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GET THE PERMIT, WE TURN 'EM IN, WE TURN THE MONEY INTO TREASURER. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, SO FROM THE PERMITS, DON'T THEY HAVE TO BUY PERMITS? OKAY. 
          AND AND WE TURN THE MONEY INTO THE TREASURY. 
          IT GOES TO GENERAL FUNDS ON, SO YOUR MONEY GOES TO GENERAL. 
          HIS HIS MONEY GOES TO GENERAL FUNDS. 
          HIS DOESN'T BECAUSE IT'S IN COOPERATION WITH THE CITY AND COOPERATES WITH CITY. 
          AND WE 50 Y'ALL WERE IN A SEPARATE FUND. 
          YEAH, MR. COMMISSIONER MANNING IS IN . 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S THE COUNTY THING. 
          SEE WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO, UH, I WAS GOING DO AWAY WAS SELLING THOSE TICKETS HAD SELL COURTHOUSE IN WORDS AND LET BRENDA HANDLE ALL OF THAT RIGHT OUT THERE AT THE ECO STATION. 
          THAT'LL SAVE SOME OF OUR, APPARENTLY WE GET A LOT, TAKE A LOT OF ABUSE FROM PEOPLE GOING TO THE S COURT HOUSE. 
          UM, HOW I OPPOSE THIS GENTLY NOT 
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TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT THEY GOT AND THEY GET OUT THERE AND GET READY TO DUMP IT OFF, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TICKETS. 
          WELL THEN IT MAKES 'EM, UH, A LITTLE BIT UPSET WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK, BUY ANOTHER TICKET AND BRING IT BACK. 
          WELL I WAS GONNA DO AWAY WITH THAT AND JUST HAVE HER WRITE A RECEIPT OUT THERE. 
          THERE'LL BE NO CASH ON THE PREMISES. 
          THERE'LL BE, UH, MONEY ORDERS, CREDIT CARDS ON. 
          SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CASH HANDLED OUT THERE AT ALL. 
          I THINK WHAT JCS, JASON'S QUESTION IS, I THINK IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND, THE SAME QUESTION I'VE GOT IS THAT WHEN WE SELL A PERMIT OVER A CORN, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GO. 
          YEAH. 
          DO THEY GO TO TERRY? DO THEY GO TO COMAN? GO? THEY GO TO KIM. 
          IT'S JUST A PER WHO GETS THAT DOLLAR FEE THAT'S GENERATED BY SOME THE PERMIT SOMEWHERE ELSE WHEN THEY GO, THEY GET A LOT OF, RIGHT NOW JERRY JERRY'S THE KAUFMAN ECO STATION MAKES MONEY, JC LOSES A TON OF MONEY, YOU'RE LOSING SOME MONEY OVER THERE. 
          EVERY THE QUESTION PEOPLE, YOU BUY A PERMIT SOMEWHERE, DOES IT ALL GO CREDIT TO CONCRETE? EVERY TICKET THAT'S BOUGHT IN PRECINCT TWO IS BOB DOESN'T ACCEPT THOSE. 
          THEY HAVE TO GO TO PRECINCT THREE. 
          SO BOTH, ALL THE HIGHEST POPUL, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD WE NOT ACCEPT? BECAUSE BOB HAS DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. 
          WELL, I CAN TELL BOB WHATEVER A LOT OF THINGS BOB, BUT HE DECIDED NOT TO TAKE LAST WEEK RECENTLY. 
          BOB, BOB SAID WE COULDN'T DO THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN THAT IS REALLY WHY, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT COULD BE, THAT WON'T BE HAPPENING ANYMORE IF THIS, IF THIS PASSES. 
          THAT WON'T BE HAPPENING ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH THE TICKETS AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU CAN CAN REDUCE IT BACK DOWN AS FAST AS YOU WENT UP WITH IT. 
          DOESN'T WORK. 
          ENCOURAGE THE CITIES TO GO UP. 
          I THINK WHAT MERLIN IS SAYING IS SHE'S NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T RAISE IT. 
          SHE UNIFORM. 
          I WOULD IF UNIFORM IT WOULD BE BETTER. 
          PLUS YOUR, YOUR, UH, PARTICULAR CONVENIENCE STATION IS MANAGED BY PURCHASING AGENT HERE. 
          WHEREAS THE OTHERS ARE THE CITIES. 
          THE CITIES HAVE THOSE CONTRACTS, BUT YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY AND SO JACK IS THE ONE THAT DID THAT CONTRACT FOR YOU, WHICH RIGHT NOW YOU COULD GO OUT PRETTY BIG BIT AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET CHEAPER. 
          YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A CHEAPER BID. 
          WE DISCUSS THAT , THERE'S JUST A LOT. 
          I MEAN, I JUST SEE THAT IT JUST NEEDS TO BE KIND OF CLEAR A LOT OF THINGS THAT YEAH, IF WE COULD JUST, BUT UH, IF TOM WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND DO HIS, SINCE HE'S PUT THE WORK AND PROBABLY GET THE PUBLICITY OUT ABOUT IT, I WOULD IMAGINE ALREADY THE QUESTION IS DO WE LET HIM GO AHEAD AND DO THAT TODAY, VOTE ON THAT TODAY, AND THEN COME BACK AND TRY TO REPAIR THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE OTHER PRECINCTS. 
          SO JARED, ON THAT PRECINCT, IF YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO PUT A HARDSHIP ON Y'ALL, I'LL BE WILLING TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT COURT MEETING KNOW. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER. 
          YEAH, WE NEED, I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO, OH, I DON'T FIX UP ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          I JUST SAY GO AHEAD AND DO IT. 
          WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. 
          IT GETS TOO BAD. 
          WE'LL THEN TO WE'LL MEET, WELL I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET A GROUP TOGETHER BEFORE THE 28TH THOUGH. 
          AND MARILYN, I THINK HE VOLUNTEERED TO HELP COURT. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MY, MY, IN MY MIND THAT'S WHAT MY JOB IS TO DO FOR THE COUNTY. 
          I CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY AND I CAN SIT DOWN AND GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER. 
          AND I'VE GOT EIGHT YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS FAR AS HOW THESE CONVENIENCE STATIONS HAVE KIND OF BEEN WORKING AND HOW WE SET UP THE OTHER ONE. 
          SO SOME OF YOU ARE NEW AND DON'T KNOW THOSE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED, EVEN IF COMMISSIONER CLARK AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT PRECINCT TWO PROBABLY NEEDS TO HAVE A CONVENIENCE STATION AND THIS MAY BE THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO REALLY DECIDE THAT. 
          SO THAT COULD ALL BE DECIDED IN A MEETING LIKE THIS, DISCUSS IT WITH THE, WITH THE CITY OF NEY DOING SOMETIMES JOINT WITH THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          AND, AND I WOULD ALSO, LIKE I SAID, KIM HAS A A, THEY PAY HALF OF THAT. 
          KIM MAY, THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT AND TAKE SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES OFF OF YOU IF YOU HAD A INTERLOCAL, WHICH WE NEVER HAD BEFORE. 
          WELL, DO YOU THINK WE COULD, UH, IF WE, IF THE COURT WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND ACT ON, WHEN YOU DECIDE THAT TOM'S BROUGHT TO THE COURT AS FAR AS RAISING HIS RACE, DO YOU THINK WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND THE 28TH? I AND YOU? I GUESS IT MAY NEED TO BE A COMMITTEE PROCESS SO WE DON'T GET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE OLD MEETINGS THING. 
          MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM YOUR OFFICE KIND OF WITHOUT THE COMMISSIONER BEING THERE. 
          SO DOES THAT, THAT SOUND AGREEABLE TO LET MARILYN BE THE COORDINATOR OF THAT AND TRYING TO COME BACK NOW? WOULD, I MEAN PROBABLY THESE COMMISSIONERS WOULDN'T BE AS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, SORRY, AS UH, AS 
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THE CITY, BECAUSE THE CITY PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY OWN THOSE COMMITTEE BEING STATIONS. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT MR. MANNING, COMMISSIONER MANNING SHOULD BE AT THE MEETING. 
          IS HE ABLE TO BE AT THE MEETING? I'D BE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          JC MAY AND I KNOW JCS GOT A LOT OF, SINCE YOU, THAT'D BE ALL RIGHT IF THOSE TWO KIND OF WORK THROUGH IT AND THEN Y'ALL CAN SEND A FRIENDLY REPRESENTATIVE FROM YOUR PRECINCT, BUT NOT YOURSELF. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY SINCE PRECINCT TWO PEOPLE ARE DOLLARS PRECINCT, TWO PEOPLE SHOULD BE THE PRECINCT. 
          SO I'M SURE JUST CARRIED THAT OVER TO PRECINCT THREE. 
          THAT'S, WE GOTTA, THAT'S REALLY, I THINK I EVERYBODY BE AWARE THAT THAT THE TICKET DEAL THAT I'M, THAT I'M DOING AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA GO UP THERE ON THE HILL AND BRENDA'S GONNA SAY, OKAY, THAT'S A $24 LOAD. 
          INSTEAD OF WRITING A TICKET, YOU GOT A 35% RECEIPT BOOK. 
          YOU KNOW, SHE WRITES OUT THREE COPIES OF THE RECEIPT TURNS ONE INTO TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND I KEEP GOING AND SHE GETS ONE FOR HER RECORDS. 
          SO THERE IS NO CASH BIN. 
          NO CASH EXCEPT WE JUST SELL 'EM IN FUNNELS ON A LITTLE PACKET OF LIKE 10. 
          SO THEY PAY $5 FOR THAT OR SOMETHING. 
          I FORGET WHAT THEY TYPE. 
          THEY'RE FIVE EACH, EACH AND IF THEY COME UP THERE THEN AND IT'S TOO MUCH, THEN THEY JUST TURN ON TWO OR THREE TAILS. 
          SEE PEOPLE DOWN HERE, THEY'LL BUY ONE TICKET AT A TIME OR TRY TO BUY HALF A TICKET. 
           FACTS. 
          FACTS. 
          WE'LL ASK MARILYN TO COORDINATE THAT MEETING AND ASK YOU TWO GUYS TO MEET WITH HER AND THEN SEND, WILL YOU TELL DR. 
          MOTION IS, WELL YOU CALL ME TO BUT I'M SORRY, THE ITEM IS SHOW UP. 
          THE ITEM IS ON ITEM 16 IS TO DISCUSS AND RAISING RATES FOR THE PRECINCT BEFORE ECO STATION. 
          YOU HEARD, YOU'VE HEARD TOM'S COMMENTS. 
          SO DO WE HAVE MOTION? I THAT MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          AND MARILYN, IF YOU WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING SO WE CAN GET IT HANDLED BY THE DECEMBER OF DECEMBER BY THE FEBRUARY 28TH, UH, MEETING, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M CONFUSED. 
          DID YOU RAISE THE ERASER? DID YOU TABLE THAT? NO, WE RAISED IT EVERY RAISED. 
          RAISED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE RAISED IT. 
          I THOUGHT YOU DID. 
          I SHOULD. 
          SO AND JERRY, YOU AND RAY CAN GIVE HER THE NAME. 
          CALL HIM TO FIND OUT. 
          SHE KNOWS BOB. 
          ALRIGHT, NUMBER 17 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ORDERING A LOCAL OPTION ELECTION TO LEGALIZE HIS LEGAL SALE, BEER AND WINE FOR OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION ONLY IN THE CITY OF TERRELL. 
          AND UH, I BELIEVE DID YOU, DID Y'ALL HAVE A HANDOUT ON THAT? I THINK SO. 
          YEAH, WE DO. 
          AND THIS IS FAR THE AREA THAT, UH, HAS BEEN ANNEXED BY THE CITY, UH, THAT UH, THAT I'VE GOT OUT THERE. 
          I DON'T 80. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ELECTION EVERY TIME YOU ANNEX IT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO, UH, DICK MURPHY, OUR, OUR COUNTY TAX ACCESSOR COLLECTOR AND ALSO OUR ELECTIONS OFFICER HAS RECEIVED A PETITION AND THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES WERE 869. 
          THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES QUALIFIED, UH, WAS 1,050. 
          SO THEY HAD WELL IN ACCESS OF THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURE REQUIRED. 
          SO BEFORE THEY CAN DO THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO PROVE NO ONE TALKED TO ME ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M NOT HAVING ANY DISCUSSION WITH ANYBODY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO, DID WE NOT? I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY CHOICE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO CALL ONCE THEY SIGNATURE. 
          I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU MR. CLARK. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? THEN MY FAVORITE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NUMBER 18 TO DISCUSSION OF MY NEXT ITEM. 
          YES. 
          SECOND FAVOR IS THE DISCUSS AND ACT ON LINE ITEM TRANSFERS WE'RE PROPOSING LINE ITEM TRANSFERS TO JP THREE TO MOVE 35 MILE. 
          DO FIVE. 
          AND JUDGE, I WOULD REQUEST THIS POINT IF IT'S UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS I TO READ YOU LOOK AT IT. 
          IS THAT ALRIGHT? YES, I DO. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON? NO. 
          OKAY. 
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WE KIND OF HAD A CONSENT TO DO THAT LATER IN THE YEAR BECAUSE WE HIT YEAH. 
          LITTLE BIT. 
          WELL LIKE LU $35 REALLY WORTH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOUR FEELING IS THAT'S SOMETHING WE YOU CAN HANDLE? YES. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU SURE IT STILL YEAH. 
          TIME TO READ THAT SOUND AGREEABLE TO EVERYBODY? YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA HIDE IT, I JUST DON'T WANNA SPEND TIME READING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OF COURSE I CAN READ IT BY THE TIME I TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT $35 WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHERS. 
          OH, I WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF REALS, REALS. 
          SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, IF YOU RECALL, HE HAS NO, HE HAD NO BUDGET TO PURCHASE VEHICLES THIS YEAR AND THEN THEY HAD ONE IN A COLLISION. 
          THEY COLLECTED 13,600 I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE CORRECT. 
          INSURANCE PROCEEDS. 
          AND THEY, AND CAME TO COURT AND DISCUSSED THIS, UH, THAT, THAT HE WOULD REPLACE THAT VEHICLE, IT WOULD TAKE SOME OF HIS, UH, ADDITIONAL MONIES. 
          SO THERE'S LINE ITEM TRANSFER WITH 6,300 FROM PARTS AND REPAIRS. 
          OKAY. 
          TO HIS VEHICLE? YES SIR. 
          THAT WITH THE 13 SIX IS WHAT HE'S USED USING. 
          UH, AND THEN ROAD BRIDGE TWO, WE'RE REMOVING 63,000 FROM ROAD MATERIALS TO LEASE PAYMENTS TO COVER SOME LEASE OBLIGATION PURPOSE OBLIGATIONS. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          WHAT YOUR PLEA SINCE I HAD THE BIG ONE THAT I'LL MOVE DISCUSSION ON THE MAKES THE MOTION COMMISSIONER MAN SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE POLLS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 19 IS TO DISCUSS AN ACT OF CLAIM FOR FAITH. 
          AND Y'ALL REALIZE THIS TO GO, WE JUST WENT THROUGH, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ACT ON COMMISSIONER ROW MAKES THE MOTION AND THE SECOND COMMISSIONER MANNING TO APPROVE OR THE ACT ON THE CLAIMS FOR. 
          SO WE DISCUSSION. 
          THAT WAS JERRY AND TO JERRY AND TO, OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED ADJOURN LER MEETING. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          MOVED. 
          MR. JACKSON. 
          SECOND. 
          CLARK SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, 
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HEY NOW BET. 
          CAN THAT JUST GO IN TODAY OR DOES IT NEED TO GO IN YESTERDAY? GO IN YESTERDAY WHAT SHE GAVE ME WAS A COPY OF THE IS THING. 
          AND SHE HAD THAT, THAT WAY SHE WOULD PHYSICALLY HAVE SOMETHING PUT DRAWER. 
          SO I TOLD HER IN THE MORNING, MAKE SURE YOU'RE RUNNING BECAUSE IT BE NORMALLY WHEN IT'S NOT THERE THAT DAY, IT BETTER IN THE MORNINGS ANYWAY. 
          SEE WE DON'T ONLY IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY IF WE GET A REPORTING FROM IRS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT SIMPLIFY, WE DO EVERY DAY SIMPLIFY. 
          WE CHECK EVERY DAY. 
          AND THAT'S ECOR, THAT'S FOR THE HOUSE IS NOT PAID. 
          IT'S FOR ME'S. 
          WHAT WE TALKING TO ABOUT THIS REQUEST FROM THIS GUY? I SAID, I SAID YOU SITTING RIGHT HERE AND SHE'S LIKE, YEAH, HEADACHE. 
          I SAID NO, THIS IS JUNK DEGREE . 
          I RAN THIS REPORT AND FROM 47 TO 65, I THINK THE REAL PROPERTY, NO, THIS IS FOR MISSING IMAGES FOR VITALS. 
          OH. 
          AND THEY CAME UP WITH THESE, WHAT I WAS FIXING TO GET IN HERE AND DO RIGHT NOW IS CHECK BECAUSE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE THIS GUY. 
          BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I WANT CHECK IS SEE THESE THAT DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING MISSING ON I BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.