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IF I CAN HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.
WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE, UH, MONDAY, JUNE, THE 27TH MEETING OF THE KAMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING.
UH, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT, UH, WE WILL BE CONDUCTING THIS MORNING, AND I WILL SPEAK TO YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WE MOVE INTO THOSE.
THERE ARE COMMENT FORMS. IF YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED ONE, UH, BY THE, UH, ON THE TABLE OVER HERE NEXT TO THE SHERIFF, I THINK HE HAS SOME.
UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO FILL ONE OF THOSE OUT AND THEN GIVE THAT TO THE SHERIFF, HE WILL BRING IT FORWARD TO US.
AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT, UH, IF SOME OF YOU, I KNOW MANY OF YOU HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE, UH, UH, THE NO THROUGH TRAFFIC PART, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
THIS IS HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS.
BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU COMPLETE THAT.
AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU WISH TO DESIGNATE SOMEONE AS A SPOKESMAN FOR ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE, OR IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK INDIVIDUALLY, CERTAINLY YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
UH, BUT AT THIS TIME, WHAT WE WILL DO, I'LL ASK YOU TO STAND FOR OUR INVOCATION, AND I'LL ASK COMMISSIONER MANNING, IF YOU'LL DO THAT THIS MORNING FOR US, THEN WE WILL HAVE THE PLEDGE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG AND THE, UH, TEXAS FLAG AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER MANNING, UH, FLAG YOU HEAVEN, ME.
FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE CITIZENS AND THE COURT TOGETHER.
MAKE THE DECISION TO THE COUNTY, GIVE US THE STRENGTH AND THE WISDOM, LORD, TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS THAT, UH, ALL OF IT INVOLVE WILL HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT.
LOOK OVER OUR SOLDIERS, LORD, OVERSEAS, PROTECT THEM, BRING THEM HOME SAFELY.
I ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR OF TEXAS.
FLAG, I ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.
ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AN INDIVIDUAL.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SIGN UP TO? THANK YOU.
FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND THEM, UH, AS PRESENTED BY THE COUNTY CLERK.
DO I HAVE ANY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TWO SETS.
WE HAVE ONE FROM THE, UH, REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE THE 13TH, AND THE SPECIAL MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON JUNE.
ANYBODY, UH, HAVE ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT SECOND CLARK.
I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER JACKSON MAKES THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER MANNING SECOND MOTION IS DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER THREE ON OUR AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON MOVING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I'LL OBTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT JUST A MOMENT.
COMMISSIONER ROWDEN MAKES THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECOND MOTION.
WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE A NUMBER OF GUESTS WITH US THIS MORNING.
WE NORMALLY DON'T HAVE THIS LARGE OF A CROWD, SO, UH, BEEN MY OBSERVATION WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT ROADS THAT, UH, THAT TYPICALLY DRAIN OUT A CROWD.
THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.
UH, LET ME, LET ME MENTION TO YOU AS WE MOVE INTO THIS PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THIS MEETING, THAT WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO TODAY AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS TO RECEIVE YOUR COMMENTS AND NOT TO GET INTO A DEBATE WITH YOU OR DISCUSS, HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU.
WE VERY MUCH WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS, BUT THE WAY THE PUBLIC SESSION, PART OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PART OF OUR COURT WORKS IS, UH, IS TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND, UH, AND, AND, AND CERTAINLY WE WANT TO DO THAT.
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AND THEN WE WILL LISTEN VERY MUCH.WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFORE, AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT UNDERSTANDS THERE ARE STRONG PASSIONS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS ISSUE.
AND SO IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFICULT DECISION.
WHATEVER WE DO IS NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE DELAYED DOING THIS IS WE WERE THINKING PERHAPS THERE MIGHT BE SOME CHANGES IN THE LAW THAT GOVERNS WHAT COMMISSIONER COURTS CAN DO AS IT RELATES TO REGULATING COUNTY ROADS.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES MADE IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT HAS, UH, ALREADY COMPLETED A REGULAR SESSION.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SPECIAL SESSION THAT THEY ARE CONDUCTING NOW THAT WILL CHANGE ANY AUTHORITY THAT THE COMMISSIONER COURT HAS AS FAR AS REGULATING THE COUNTY ROAD.
I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
SO IT IS A CHANCE FOR YOU TODAY TO SPEAK TO US AND PRESENT WHATEVER INFORMATION THAT YOU DO HAVE.
WE DO HAVE A RULE THAT WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO WHAT YOU SAY WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, BUT WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE TREATED, RESPECTFUL, AND CERTAINLY THAT'S HOW THIS OPERATION SHOULD BE.
UH, AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DO THAT.
SO THE FIRST PERSON, I BELIEVE IS I JUST HAD THAT, WHAT I DO WITH IT.
RAY, DO YOU STILL WANT COMMENT? HERE WE GO.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, UH, MR. BILL MARLEY, WHO IS, I'M SORRY.
DID YOU WANNA TELL HIM ABOUT THE ONE MINUTE? YEAH, WE DO HAVE, UH, OUR COUNTY CLERK WOULD BE OUR OFFICIAL TIMEKEEPER.
SHE HAS A CUTE LITTLE BELL OVER HERE.
SHE WILL RING AND, UH, WHEN YOU GET TO ONE MINUTE, SHE WILL, UH, SIGNAL THAT BELL AT ONE MINUTE, AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW YOU NEED TO START WRAPPING UP AT THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, FIRST PERSON, UH, IS MR. BILL MARLEY, WHO LIVES ON COUNTY ROAD, UH, 3 49, AND HE WISHES TO DISCUSS, UH,
THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS HEARING TODAY.
UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO TELL YOU OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE SPOKEN BEFORE PAST.
UM, THE, THE CITIZENS OF KAMAN COUNTY HAVE ENDURED, UH, ROCK QUARRIES FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND THE USE OF OUR, OUR, OUR COUNTY ROADS IS NOW BECOMING, UH, MUCH MORE CONSCIOUS IN THE, IN THE CITIZENS AND SAFETY, UH, IS THE PRIMARY GOAL THAT WE'RE OUT TO ACHIEVE TODAY.
UH, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'VE HAD MANY INCIDENTS IN THE PAST ON COUNTY ROADS, FROM DEATHS TO INJURIES.
UH, THE ABILITY TO DRIVE ON A COUNTY ROAD WHEN, WHEN QUARRIES ARE USING THEM AS PLANT HAULING ROADS, PUTS A TREMENDOUS DANGER ON THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE ON THESE COUNTY ROADS.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL INCIDENTS MYSELF, AND I KNOW THAT THE OTHERS BACK HERE HAVE HAD INCIDENTS.
UH, WE'VE SOUGHT HELP FROM MANY STATE AGENCIES, UH, AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD US, IT LIES IN THE COUNTY'S HANDS TO HELP YOU ON THIS ISSUE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, IS TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN AND FOR YOUR HELP, UH, TO MAKE OUR LIVES SAFER.
OUR KIDS HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL ON THESE ROADS.
WE TRAVEL TO CHURCH, WE GO TO STORES.
AND THE PAST HISTORY SHOWS THAT THESE ROADS ARE UNSAFE.
THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE WEIGHTS.
THEY'RE NOT BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE TRAFFIC.
UM, I KNOW LAW ENFORCEMENT'S HAD TO DEAL WITH IT, AND I, I, YOU KNOW, MY HEART GOES OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT HAS TO CONTAIN THIS ISSUE.
BUT IF WE CAN PASS WHERE NO TWO TRUCK TRAFFICS IS, IS PART OF OUR COUNTY POLICY, THEN I THINK WE CAN HAVE A SAFER COMMUNITY FOR ALL OUR CITIZENS AND WE CAN LIVE IN, IN, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND LIVE IN PEACE.
UH, THE NEXT PERSON IS, UH, RUSSELL LI IMAGING.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T THAT'S ALRIGHT.
IS THAT CLOSE EXCUSE? YOU'RE CLOSER THAN MO.
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LIMO.I THINK I BOOKED UP PRETTY MUCH.
I LIVE COUNTY ROAD 3 43 A AT THE CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
AND MY HOOK, MY TOPIC IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRUCKS AND THE THROUGH TRAFFIC ON THE, UH, TRUCK LIKE MR. MORLEY, SAFETY IS OUR MAIN THING.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE TRUCK STUFF.
WE HAD, LIKE YOU SAID, SEVERAL INSTANCES OF, UH, INJURIES, DEATH, TRUCKS TURNING OVER IN THE DITCH BECAUSE IT CAN'T GET BY ON OUR, OUR NARROW COUNTY ROAD.
WE PUT THE, UH, ROCKING STUFF ON THERE.
BUT WHEN IT GETS WET, EVEN OUR CARS MAKE RUTS IN THE ROAD, AND IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THEM TO GET BACK DOWN THERE TO, TO SMOOTH 'EM OUT AND EVERYTHING.
IT MAKES IT HARD TO RIDE ON 'EM, UH, THE DUST SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T SEE BEHIND THE TRUCKS AND THE PEOPLE WHEN YOU, ESPECIALLY THE TRUCKS, BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BIG AND, AND FIRST SUCH DUST THAT YOU CAN'T HARDLY SEE GOING BEHIND THEM.
SO, UH, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU, UH, DO THAT, UH, TO, UH, DO THAT AND, UH, HELP US OUT ON SAFETY OF OUR ROADS, THE SCHOOL BUSES, THE CHILDREN, THE PEOPLE THAT WE USE, THE ROADS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, UH, THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT EVERY DAY TO TRY TO, UH, HELP US OUT ON THAT ISSUE.
UH, I DID SEE ONE THING HERE THAT, UH, I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE HERE AND, UH, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE REAL STRONG OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND, UH, BUT, UH, I HEARD AT ANOTHER MEETING, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TARGET A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL COMPANY.
WE'RE HERE FOR OUR SAFETY, OUR ROAD, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, PEOPLE THAT USE OUR ROADS EVERY DAY.
THAT'S WHO WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT IS OUR CITIZENS, OUR KIDS, OUR FAMILIES, AND OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WISH THAT, UH, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL, UH, VOTE TO, UH, PUT THE COUNTY ROAD, UH, THROUGH TRUCKS ON THE COUNTY ROADS.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT SAYING MUCH THAT HADN'T ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, SIR.
NEXT PERSON I HAVE IS, UH, JEFF BASKIN, WHO LIVES ON COUNTY ROAD 3 45 BASKIN.
I HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME RIGHT.
UM, I LIVE ON, UH, COUNTY ROAD 3 45.
I'VE GOT A LITTLE SIX YARD DUMP TRUCK.
AND, UM, I WONDER IF THIS WOULD RESTRICT ME FROM USING THE RAILROAD WITH MY DUMP TRUCK.
AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION RIGHT THERE, THAT COULD IMPACT MY ABILITY TO USE MY DUMP TRUCK.
NEXT WILL BE, UH, MR. JOE RICE FROM COUNTY ROAD 47 0 6.
YOU'RE THE YOUNGER JOE RICE, I BELIEVE I'M THE THIRD, YES, SIR.
MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE ROCK PIT, UM, TO PASS A 50 MILE AN HOUR ROCK PIT, ROCK TRUCK COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THE DUST, INSTEAD OF IT'S JUST THE HAZARD, YOU KNOW, TO SEEING THE, UH, DUST COME IN IN, THE SAFEST THING TO DO IS JUST PULL OVER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HE PASSES.
AND YOU GOTTA LET ALL THE DUST GO BY AND THIS AND THAT.
AND I ALWAYS FEAR, UH, HEAD ON COLLISION, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT BEHIND THAT TRUCK AND THIS AND THAT.
OF COURSE, I'M GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE, UH, WHEN THEY DIE OF MINE, I'LL HAVE ROCKS COMING IN MY YARD.
THERE'LL BE ROCKS COMING IN MY YARD.
UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEY'LL BE LINED OUT A HUNDRED TO 150 ROCK TRUCKS LINED OUT FROM THE GATE IN FRONT OF MY DRIVE, ABOUT A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, UH, JUST CHEERING THE ROAD.
UH, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH WEIGHT IN THOSE TRUCKS.
OF COURSE, THOSE GUYS, UH, DON'T CARE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UH, GETTING THE MOST, MOST ROCKS THEY CAN HAVE BELOW.
YOU KNOW, AND JUST THE, THE SAFETY AND THE HAZARD OF IT, IT IS JUST A, UH, INCONVENIENCE TO THE, THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM.
UH, THERE'S NOTHING GOOD ABOUT IT COMES OUT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DESTROYS YOUR LIFE.
THE, UH, PROPERTY VALUE AND THIS AND THAT.
THE ROCK, THE ROCK PIT, THE ROCK TRUCKS OR COUNTY ROADS OR, OR NOT MAINTAINED WELL ENOUGH TO CARRY THE WEIGHT THAT, UH, THE MATERIAL
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COMING OUT.IT'S JUST A, JUST A HAZARD, YOU KNOW? AND I, I FEEL LIKE IF SOMEBODY WOULD COME OUT THERE WHILE THEY WERE RUNNING, Y'ALL SEE IT, YOU, YOU COULD SEE THAT ANGER.
UH, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, YOU, YOU'D BE SCARED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAW THAT ROCK TRUCK COMING.
OF COURSE, THERE'S SPEED LIMITS.
THEY, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE A 50 50 MILE AN HOUR ROCK TRUCK COMING TO YOU, THE CLOUD DUST BEHIND IT, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO, BUT PULL OVER AND HOPE IT, UH, PASSES YOU BESIDES HEAD ON COLLISION, AND THEN THE ONE BEHIND IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST REALLY A HAZARD TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE HAD ONE LITTLE GIRL KILLED OVER IT.
AND, UH, MAYBE WE WON'T HAVE ANY MORE.
MR. NEXT WILL BE MICHAEL, UH, KNOTLEY, WHO LIVES ON THE COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
BEFORE I STARTED, I JUST WANTED TO THANK, UH, OUR, OUR COMMISSIONER, UH, JACKSON, UH, HAS BEEN WITH US FOR NINE MONTHS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE'S GOING TO VOTE, BUT, BUT HE'S BEEN PATIENT WITH US AND, AND, UH, HEARD ALL OUR COMPLAINTS, TAKEN, OUR LETTERS AND OUR CALLS.
UH, AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THESE COUNTY ROADS ARE NARROW.
UH, THEY, THEY HAVE 90 DEGREE TURNS ON OUR ROAD, FOUR OF 'EM THAT THE TRUCKS CAN'T NAVIGATE.
WE HAVE TWO GAS LINES THAT CROSSED THAT ROAD THAT WERE PUT IN THE GROUND 50 YEARS AGO, WHICH IF YOU'LL TALK TO ENGINEERS THAT WERE, PUT THEM IN THE GROUND, THEN THAT WAS THE PREDICTED LIFE ON THE GAS LINES.
WE HAD NO IDEA ABOUT HOW DEEP THEY ARE.
THOSE, THOSE ROADS ARE ON THE WILLS POINT, UH, SCHOOL BUS ROUTE, BOTH COMING AND GOING.
AND, AND THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE RIGHT TO USE A ROAD.
UH, WE HAVE HEARD IT CLAIMED IN THIS COURT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DENY SOMEBODY THE RIGHT TO USE A ROAD.
I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE A ROAD THAT'S INCAPABLE OF CARRYING THEIR TRUCK.
NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF ATTITUDE THEY HAVE, THEY COULD BE THE BEST DRIVER IN THE WORLD.
AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, RIGHTS, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO, OBVIOUSLY NOT A GOOD ROAD, BUT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO A SAFE ROAD THAT'LL GET US TO TOWN.
AND, AND SO FAR, MR. JACKSON AND HIS CREWS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THAT FOR US.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO USE OUR ROAD.
AND THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE PROBLEM THE WHOLE TIME, IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO TELL US WHAT ROAD THEY WANT.
THEY WANT UNRESTRICTED RIGHT TO USE ANY ROAD THEY PLEASE.
AND THREE 17, THE LITTLE GIRL WAS KILLED 'CAUSE OF THE RUTS ON THE ROAD.
I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE FAMILY, SUES COUNTY THAT WAS US.
I, I HAVE, UH, UH, AND THE RUTS ON THE ROAD CAUSED THE BOMB TO LOOSE CONTROL THE CAR SHE'S THROWN OUT OF THE CAR AND KILLED.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE KILLED ON US 80 BECAUSE TRUCK, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKS SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE US 80, BUT IT'S A 70 MILE HOUR ROAD, AND THEY CAN'T MERGE WITH TRAFFIC, OR TRAFFIC CAN'T MERGE WITH THEM.
SO WE END UP RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THESE LITTLE ROADS THAT ARE INCAPABLE OF TAKING IT.
UH, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING TO US, AND, UH, WE HOPE YOU'LL, YOU'LL APPROVE THIS AND GO THROUGH TRUCKS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE COURT AT THIS TIME? MR. I'M SORRY.
I THINK I SKIPPED OVER TO YOU.
YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD? THANK YOU.
WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A SUBJECT FOR ACTION, KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
INSTEAD OF GETTING 30 MINUTES TO GET THREE
NOW, UH, ON BEHALF OF MY FRIEND AND CLIENT, LEON LESTER, WHO OWNS SOME LAND NORTH OF HIGHWAY, WHERE, UH, THERE'S VERY VALUABLE ROCK DEPOSITS, AS BEST I KNOW.
UH, AND ON MAC TRINITY MATERIALS, WHO IS THE ROCK CRUSHING COMPANY THAT'S THERE NOW, UH, NONE OF THOSE THREE HAS ANY OBJECTION TO CLOSING ANY COUNTY ROAD ON THROUGH TRAFFIC.
UH, BUT NOW WE THINK WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THROUGH TRAFFIC TO MEAN IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A ROCK PIT NOW RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY.
I BELIEVE IT'S THREE 14, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE COMP BAPTIST CHURCH.
I KNOW, MR. AND IT GOES SOUTH, THE HIGHWAY 80, WHEN YOU GET TO HIGHWAY 80, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE HIGHER ROAD FOR PEOPLE.
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I MEAN, GET THE INTERSTATE 20.IT'S CALLED THE HIGHER ROAD TO ME THROUGH TRAFFIC MEANS ENTERING AT THE COP BAPTIST CHURCH AND DRIVING ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD TO GET THE INTERSTATE 20.
THE, AS FAR AS THE MINING IS CONCERNED, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I MAY HAVE A PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN A PICKUP FROM HIGHWAY 80 ACROSS ERS INTERSTATE 20.
AND I THINK A PICKUP IS A TRUCK.
BUT THAT'S A, A, A SEPARATE MATTER.
UH, TRINITY REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER JACKSON THAT THEY WOULD DO THEIR BEST TO KEEP TRUCK TRAFFIC FROM GOING SOUTH OFF OF THEIR, OFF OF THE, THE AREA WHERE THEY CAN COME ON THE HIGHWAY THREE 14.
THEY CAN COME ONTO HIGHWAY THREE 14, I THINK IT'S 800 FEET SOUTH OF HIGHWAY EIGHT.
UH, AND THEY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD DISCOURAGE ANY TRAFFIC FROM GOING SOUTH OF THERE, WHICH IS THE LONGEST SPAN OF THAT ROAD.
THEY CAUGHT ONE GUY DOING IT, AND THEY CALLED THE COMPANY THAT HIRED IT AND SAID, DON'T DO IT.
WHEN TRINITY DIDN'T CATCH HIM, MY NEIGHBOR CAUGHT HIM.
UM, I DON'T, I THINK YOUR, YOUR, UH, I DON'T BLAME ANYONE FOR WANTING TO NOT HAVE ROCK TRUCKS OUT THERE.
I DON'T BLAME ANYONE ON THE OTHER HAND FOR WANTING TO HAVE ROCK ROADS.
MOST OF US WILL REMEMBER WHEN THESE ROADS WEREN'T ROCK.
THEY WERE SAYING WE WERE OVER AT VAN COUNTY AND COFFMAN.
IN THOSE DAYS, VAN ZZA HAD SO MUCH BETTER ROADS 'CAUSE THEY HAD THE UNION OIL COMPANY CHECKS THAN KAMAN.
NOW, COFFMAN'S GOT INFINITE BETTER ROADS, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OF 'EM THAT AREN'T WRONG.
I BELIEVE YOU'RE, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
WE DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY THREATS TO ANYBODY.
WE, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU'VE GOT A RIGHT TO DEPRIVE ACCESS.
I YOU'VE GOT THE BEST LAWYERS IN THE STATE AS FAR AS COUNTY LAW IS CONCERNED.
WE THINK, UH, AND NOW THIS IS AN ISSUE ALSO.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHWAY THREE 14 WHERE THE CRUSHER IS NOW.
LEON LESTER'S LAND IS NORTH OF THREE 14, AND THAT'S WHERE MR. MORLEY AND MS. SANDERS AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED.
THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT AN OBLIGATION TO BEAT THE ROADS UP.
THEY CAN'T GET THE TRUCKS TO GO UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
THEY, THEY CAN'T GET TRUCK OPERATORS TO GO TO THE MINE PIT.
IF THEY GO TO LEON LESTER'S WITHOUT BEATING UP THOSE ROADS.
ARE THERE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE COMPLETED THE FARM SHERIFF? IS THAT THE ONE OF ONES YOU HAVE? I'M SORRY.
I LIVE AT 4 0 7 NORTH JACKSON.
I'M REALLY NOT, UH, LIVING THE COUNTY.
I DECIDED TO MOVE TO, I LIVED IN COMBINE FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.
BUT THE THING I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT LIVING IN COMBINE, SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN CROSSING THE COUNTY.
AND I USED TO SAY THAT'S THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS, THAT SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS.
BUT WHAT I BEGAN TO REALIZE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE DECISIONS YOU MADE AFFECTED ALL OF US.
SO I IMPLORE YOU THAT WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE IMPACTS THE SALT.
EVERYBODY THAT'S IN HOFFMAN AND WE ALL RIDE THE ROADS.
'CAUSE THIS COMMUNITY SUPPORTS PEOPLE THAT FEED INTO THIS.
'CAUSE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE IS WHY I CAME HERE.
IT'S A GOOD COMMUNITY, IT'S GOOD FRIENDS.
SO WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION AT A PRICE SOMEBODY'S GOTTA PAY.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU DO THAT.
MAKE A DECISION FOR OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE WANNA HAVE A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE THAT PEOPLE WANT COME TOMAN COUNTY THAT'S SAFE, THAT WANT TO BE HERE.
AND WHEN I DRIVE THE ROADS, I'M NOT OBSCURE OF SOMEBODY.
I'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT IS HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
SO IF THERE'S OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, NOW'S THE TIME TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, WE'LL BE PLEASED TO, UH, HEAR FROM YOU.
WE DO NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND, AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM.
I'M BETTY SANDERS AND I LIVE ONE COUNTY ROAD 3 48.
UM, I THINK WHAT'S BEEN SAID HAS BEEN SAID BY THE OTHER PEOPLE I'VE PUT UP WITH THIS ROCK TRAFFIC AND THE PROBLEMS FOR YEARS, I GUESS ABOUT 10 YEARS.
AND MY THOUGHT IS, IF ALL OF THIS GOES THROUGH AND THEY CAN USE OUR ROADS, I PLAN ON MOVING FROM KAUFFMAN COUNTY.
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YES MA'AM.IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD AND, AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US A SPECIFIC ADDRESS, BUT THE COUNTY ROAD OR WHEREVER YOU LIVE.
MY NAME'S
IN NOVEMBER, WE OPENED UP A DARK RESORT AND ONE OF THE ADVERTISEMENT WHEN WE WENT OUT WAS IT WAS SUCH A SAFE AND QUIET ENVIRONMENT FOR THE DOGS TO BE BOARDED THERE.
IF WE HAD THE TRUCKS OUT ON OUR ROAD WITH ALL THE DUST AND THE STRESS THAT IT WOULD BE, I CAN CLOSE DOWN THE BUSINESS.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? NOT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXIT PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER BACK INTO A PUBLIC MEETING SO THAT COMMISSIONER JACKSON MAKES THAT MOTION.
SECOND COMMISSIONER MANNING SECOND MOTION.
ITEM NUMBER, UH, SIX, AND I'LL READ ALL OF THIS TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE RECORD IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON NOT ALLOWING THROUGH COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL ROAD PRAIRIE CHAPEL ROAD, BUD STOY ROAD AND READER LANE IN CAMAN COUNTY, PRECINCT TWO COUNTY ROAD 3 14 3 17, 3 46, 3 46 B 3 47, 3 48, 3 49, AND THREE 50 IN CALIN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE AND PLACING NO THROUGH COMMERCIAL TRUCK SIGNS ON STI ROAD.
IS THAT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT? ITAL ROAD, PRAIRIE CHAPEL ROAD, BUDGE STORY ROAD, REER LANE COUNTY ROAD 3 14 3 17 AND COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
3 46 B AND COUNTY ROAD 3 4 7 3 48 3 49 AND COUNTY ROAD THREE 50.
UH, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND I KNOW, UH, OUR ATTORNEY, JOHN LONG HAS UH, INVESTIGATED THIS PRETTY THOROUGHLY.
AND UH, I BELIEVE HE HAS, UH, COMMUNICATED WITH SEVERAL OF YOU WHAT HE BELIEVES THAT THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO.
AND I THINK THE ONE QUESTION, JOHN, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD HELP US THROUGH THIS, IS WHAT REALLY IS KNOWN THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THEN WHAT IS A TRUCK? UH, SO WE WILL KNOW BECAUSE THAT THOSE SEEM TO BE THE OVERRIDING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE, RIGHT? THE THE QUESTION NO, THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UH, I, I THINK MR. MONTY IS CORRECT.
IT, IT INDICATES THAT, THAT IT, THAT IT'S USED FOR THROUGH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE THE LAW SAYS THERE'S NOT, UH, STOPPING THE POINT OF ORIGIN OR POINT OF TERMINUS ON THE ROAD TO DO BUSINESS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A, A, UM, OWNER THAT SPOKE, UM, THAT ASKED ABOUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS MR. BASCO ON COUNTER ROAD, 3 45 USE OF HIS OWN DUMP TRUCK ON HIS OWN PROPERTY.
HE'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS BECAUSE THE POINT OF ORIGIN THAT HE USES, IT WILL BE HIS OWN PROPERTY.
SO HE'S GOING TO BE OTHER WORDS.
HE WOULD ENTER THE ROAD, ROAD, GO TO HIS RESIDENCE YES.
PARK HIS TRUCK, AND THEN EXIT THE NEXT DAY AND GO BACK OUT.
HE, HE'S NOT USING IT SIMPLY TO GO UP AND DOWN.
HE'S USING IT TO DO WHATEVER HE DOES.
LEMME ASK YOU ANOTHER, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IN COURT, CERTAINLY YOU, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SPEAK UP HERE.
COUNTY ROAD THREE 14, WHICH I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH RIGHT OFF.
IN FACT, WE TOURED THREE 14, JUST SO YOU WILL KNOW.
IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL TOUR I WOULD ADD AS WELL.
BUT WE TOURED THREE 14 OFF OF HIGHWAY 80, WENT APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND FEET TURNED INTO THE TRINITY MATERIALS, UH, PLANT, UH, TURNED AROUND, CAME BACK OUT, WENT TO, UH, BACK TO HIGHWAY 80.
THAT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE OF OF, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE BUSINESS, YOUR POINT OF ORIGIN OR TERMINANCE, THE END OF YOUR, YOUR TRIP IS, IS GOING TO BE THERE.
NOW, IF IT'S, IT'S USED TO, TO EXIT OFF HIGHWAY 80 TO GO ALL THE WAY TO 20 AND YOU'RE NOT STOPPING AND IT'S A SHORTCUT, THEN, THEN, THEN IT'S THROUGH TRAFFIC.
AND I THINK MR. MONNING OR SOMEONE SAID IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A TRUCK THAT ENTERED FROM THREE 14 HIGHWAY EIGHT.
WENT INTO THE PLANT, WAS FILLED WITH ROCK, CAME BACK OUT, TURNED LEFT, AND WENT THROUGH TO, UH, ALL THE WAY OVER TO INTERSTATE 20, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF, THREE MILES.
THAT WOULD BE THE DEFINITION OF A THROUGH TRUCK.
WELL, NO, ACTUALLY, IF HE'S, IF HE'S LEAVING THERE AND HE'S GOING SOUTH ON THREE 14 TO GO DOWN THE 20, HE, HE'S, HE'S ORIGINATING THE, THE TRIP FROM PROPERTY THAT'S ON THAT ROAD.
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IF, IF WHAT THE COURT WANTS TO DO IS TO DESIGNATE A, A SECTION OF THE ROAD IS NO THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT'S SOUTH OF, OF THAT AND IT CAN DO THAT.SO, BUT, BUT THAT'S A PERMISSIBLE USE ACTUALLY.
BUT IF WE PUT NO THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC SIGNS ON THAT HE WOULD NOT BE, THAT TRUCK DRIVER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
IT WAS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF BRIDGES THERE THAT RIGHT.
THAT A TRUCK WOULD, WOULD OR COULD BE IN VIOLATION FOR WEIGHT AND THAT, JUST BASED ON THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW PAUL BOY, BUT I THINK THERE WERE OVERWEIGHT YEAH.
TRUCKS THAT HAVE WORKED, THEY HAVE A TYPICALLY WILL HAVE A STATE PERMIT WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO THERE.
AND I'M SORRY, BUT I WANTED TO, I KNOW THAT IS AN ITEM THAT WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON, SO RIGHT.
GO AHEAD WITH WHAT ELSE YOU NO, I, I, I, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT AND, AND I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A NOTE HERE OF THE DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT WE HEARD FROM IN THE RESPECTIVE ROADS, AND I THINK MR. MORLEY IS ON 3 49.
UH, MR. LIMOS IS ON 3 46 AND WE HEARD ABOUT 3 45.
AND JOE RICE, IF HE, HIS PROPERTY IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE ROCK PIT, AND I GUESS HE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT BOTH THREE 14 AND THREE 17.
MR. MOTLEY, I THINK MR. UH, RICE WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT 3 46.
AND MR. NOTLEY WAS 3 46 AND, UH, MS. SANDERS WAS 3 48.
AND, UM, THE FINAL ONE THAT'S SPOKE ON THREE 50, AND I THINK THAT THAT COVERS, UH, MOST OF THE ROADS THAT ARE LISTED.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE SPOKE SPECIFICALLY ON 3 49 AND IF THEY DID, I, I'M SORRY, I I MISSED IT.
I BELIEVE MR. MORTY'S PROPERTY, SOME OF HIS PROPERTIES ON 3 49 IS, IS THAT RIGHT? IS HE HERE, HERE ABOUT, IS IS, WERE YOU SPEAKING UP TO 3 49? THREE 15.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO TELL JOHN.
TRUCK TRAFFIC, UM, I THINK IT READS THAT WE CAN'T, UH, SINGLE OUT ONE TYPE OF TRUCK.
IF YOU PUT NO TRUCK THROUGH TRAFFIC, IT'S FOR ALL TRUCKS.
SO IF A PICKUP TRUCK GOES THROUGH, SAY THREE 14 FROM 80 TO 20, IS HE IN VIOLATION? WELL, IF WE MAKE IT A, A PROHIBITION ON A COMMERCIAL, THEN IF, IF IT'S FOR A RESIDENCE OR THAT LIVE ON THREE 14, THEN, THEN KNOW.
BUT, BUT IF IT'S, UH, I MEAN THIS IS WHERE WE'RE THROWING, THIS IS JUST A BIG NET.
THIS IS LOGISTIC COMMERCIAL TRUCK.
SO MR. BASAL WITH HIS TRUCK THAT CARRIED LIKE THREE YARDS.
AND, AND HE WOULD PROBABLY ALMOST ALWAYS EITHER STOP OR START HIS TRIPS FROM HIS PROPERTY, AND SO THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A ROOF TRUCK.
TALKING ABOUT THE WEIGHTS, UH, ACTUALLY LAP TRUCKS ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED, UH, A, A TRUCK ANYTHING UNDER ONE TIME ACCORDING TO TRANSPORTATION CODE.
BUT THE REASON I WANT TO PUT THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IN THERE, MOTOR VEHICLE, THERE IS A DEFINITION, UH, THE CODE THAT SAYS A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE INCLUDES ANY MOTOR VEHICLE OR COMBINATION OF VEHICLES WITH A GROSS WEIGHT, RICHARD WEIGHT OR GROSS WEIGHT RATING IN EXCESS OF 26,000 POUNDS THAT IS DESIGNED OR USED FOR THE TRANSPORTATION OF CARGO AND FURTHERANCE OF ANY COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.
SO ANYTHING UNDER 26,000 POUNDS IS NOT EVEN LOOKED AT, NOT A COMMERCIAL BILL.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF LIKE THE FEDERAL EXPRESS, SOMEBODY HAULING HAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN IF WE GET INTO, UH, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP OR CONSIDER, LET YOU SCHEDULE WORKSHOPS OR CONVENIENCE ON WEIGHTS.
I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT ENGINEERING COMPANIES ON PRICES TO ENGINEER ROAD THAT HAS TO BE DONE ACCORDING TO TE DOCK CONCURRENCE THAT WILL MEET THOSE STANDARDS WHERE WE COULD SET WEIGHT LIMITS OKAY.
HOWEVER, IF THEY'VE GOT NO WEIGHT TRUCK PERMIT, THEY CAN GO ANY PLACE THEY WANT TO.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANNA RESTRICT ANYBODY FROM SELLING YOUR ROCK, YOUR HAY, YOUR COWS OR WHATEVER COMING IN OUTTA YOUR PROPERTY.
AND YOU'VE ALSO, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN OLD WHITE TRUCK PERMIT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE OVER WHAT WE DECIDE WHAT 80,000 POUNDS ARE OVER LEFT, GET A PERMIT FROM THE STATE THAT IN TURN, I BELIEVE WOULD GIVE US SOME LEVERAGE ON GETTING 'EM TO FIX THE ROADS THROUGH THEIR PERMIT, THROUGH THEIR BOND.
IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME PROCESSES TO JUSTIFY HOW THE ROADS WERE TORN UP BY THEIR 80,000 POUND VEHICLES, BUT WE WOULD'VE, WE WOULD'VE A WAY TO GET SOME OF THE ROADS FIXED THROUGH THEIR BONDING.
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I USED THAT ON THAT.I, I COLLECTED ON A BOND, UH, OUT ON ROAD, UH, COUNTY ROAD 1 0 1.
UH, THEY WERE COMING IN AND OUT.
THEY WERE COMING TO A LOCATION OF LEAVING AND WE MADE A CLAIM UNDER THEIR BOND AND COLLECTED IT UP TO PICK, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN.
OTHER COMMENT FROM ANYONE? COMMISSIONER JOHN? I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, WILL THE COMPANIES BE RESPONSIBLE IF WE PASS THIS, UH, WILL THE COMPANIES BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INFORMING THE DRIVERS ABOUT THE RULES OF CLOSURE? IS THAT, IS THAT THEIR OWN, UH, RESPONSIBILITY? SAY I, I KNOW THAT, UH, PROBABLY THERE'S A LOT OF THESE DRIVERS THAT LIVE OUTTA THE COUNTY, UH, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
UH, THEY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, MADE AWARE OF THIS.
AND WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT? IS THAT THE COMPANY THAT THEY DRIVE FOR OR THE ROCK BID, OR IS THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY? OR HOW DOES THAT GO? WELL, EVERYONE'S CHARGED WITH NOTICE OF THE LAWSUIT.
SO YOU CAN'T SINGLE OUT A PARTICULAR BUSINESS AND SAY IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY MORE THAN SOMEONE ELSE.
SO IF YOU PASS THAT AND IF IT'S POSTED, THEN WHOEVER DRIVES ON IT THE FIRST TIME YOU DRIVE ON THAT, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE.
AND AS PART OF THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, HAVE SOME ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES AS WELL TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT, AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF AND ONE OF OUR CONSTABLES HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, HAVING A COUNTYWIDE ENFORCEMENT COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
SO THAT WILL BE A PART OF THIS AS WELL.
AND I, I THINK THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO IS, UH, WE CAN WRITE THEM A LETTER OR I CAN WRITE A LETTER GOING OVER THIS, SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, UH, ANOTHER PART OF THIS IS WE'VE GOT A LOT SIGNED WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP, UH, AS WELL.
AND SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A, JUST A LITTLE TIME TO GET DONE.
PLUS WE STILL HAVE SOME EXPENSE IN THAT AS WELL.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A COUNTY TO FUNCTION.
UH, IN YOUR MIND, IF WE PASS THIS NO COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC ON ALL OF THESE ROADS, WILL THAT ALLEVIATE THE BIGGEST PART OF THEIR PROBLEM, DO YOU THINK? WELL, SOMEWHAT, ONE, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE MENTIONED SPEEDING AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF IF SOMEONE'S DRIVING FAST, THEY'RE DRIVING FAST.
SO THIS ISN'T REALLY GONNA ANSWER THAT.
AND, AND, UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD TOO IS THAT IF, IF YOU BLOCK OFF CERTAIN ROADS, THEN THAT, UH, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING, AND THE SAME NUMBER OF TRUCKS NEED TO GET TO THE SAME POINT AND EXIT THE SAME POINT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO USE OTHER ROADS.
AND SO THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE OF, OF, OF THAT, THAT YOU'RE TAKING THEM OFF OF THESE ROADS AND YOU'RE PUTTING TO ONE OTHERS.
NOW THE OTHER ROADS MAY BE BETTER SUITED FOR THEM, SO IT, IT, IT MAY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RESOLVE ITSELF.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I I I WAS WRITING DOWN THE DIFFERENT OBSERVATIONS PEOPLE HAD AND SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS WERE SIMPLY SPEEDING OR GOING TOO FAST, AND THAT THAT WON'T AFFECT THAT.
IT IS A PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT PART OF IT.
I WOULD, SHERIFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS AS TO HOW THIS IS GONNA AFFECT YOUR PEOPLE, UH, HOW YOU LAW THAT LAW? WE, WE, WE HAD THIS BEFORE YEARS AGO, AND THEY TOOK THEM DOWN, YOU KNOW, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE, UH, GO OUT AND ENFORCE IT AND POSITION TO ASK THE EMPLOYEE DO THIS PATH AND WHICH WOULD BE A COUNTYWIDE.
JUDGE, ANY WHATEVER LEVEL WE CAN DEPEND ON THE LAW.
I WOULD EXPECT, UH, ONCE WE GET ALL THE SIGNS UP, THAT WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE VIGILANT AND NOTIFY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHEN THEY, I WOULD EXPECT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
I THINK JOHN, A LOT OF FRIENDS UP, JUDGE I, UH, AND, AND NOT TO GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT JUST AS, AS, AS SOMETHING, UH, I THINK MR. MONGAN SAID THAT HE ANTICIPATES THAT THERE MAY BE ONE OR MORE LEASES IN THE FUTURE FOR MINING OPERATIONS ON, ON OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY, APART FROM THE ONE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
AND IF IN FACT THAT'S THE CASE AND IT'S ON THE ROAD THAT'S DESIGNATED AS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH TRAFFIC, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT THEY WOULD'VE THE SAME RIGHT.
THAT TRINITY MATERIALS HAS WITH RESPECT TO THREE 14, THAT SOMEONE COULD COME UP AND DOWN THAT.
SO DEPENDING ON WHERE THOSE LEASES ARE, EVEN IF IT'S ON A ROAD THAT YOU HAVE DESIGNATED AS, UH,
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AS, AS YOU KNOW, THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC AND, AND IF YOU ATTEMPT TO ENFORCE IT, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE FACE THE POSSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, AN INVERSE CONDEMNATION ACTION OF RIGHT.YOU'RE RESTRICTING OUR PROPERTY.
WE'LL HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE SOME ACTION TODAY, BUT I'M SAYING IN THE FUTURE, YOU CAN'T PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM OPERATING YOUR BUSINESS.
MY INTENTION, AND I HOPE THE INTENTION OF THE OTHER COURT MEMBERS IS TO TAKE ACTION TODAY.
AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE FOR MONTHS NOW, AND, UH, I THINK WE DO NEED TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS UNLESS COMMISSIONER SHALL FURTHER QUESTIONS.
JOHN, WILL THIS PUT TRINITY OUT BUSINESS? NO, NO, NO.
I, I I MEAN, UNLESS THEIR BUSINESS IS CONTINGENT ON USING SOME OF THE SIDE ROADS, YOU, YOU CAN'T, IF, IF THEY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY THERE OTHER WAYS THAT THEY CAN, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AND I DON'T HEAR ALL OF THIS, BUT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
IF WE'RE SAYING NO COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC, WHICH IS WHAT THEY, YOU'RE SAYING NO, THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO, SO 18 WHEELERS EXIT OFF OF 80 AND COME DOWN TRAFFIC.
IF IT'S NOT GONNA STOP THEM, THEN THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE COMING UP AND DOWN THEIR ROADS.
IS THAT RIGHT? SOME OF THE ROADS THEY WILL BE OKAY.
SOME ROADS THEY WILL BE, BUT, BUT ON THE ONES THAT ARE DESIGNATED HERE, THEN, UM, THEN I GUESS DRIVERS WILL HAVE TO FIND OTHER ROUTES.
WELL, WHAT WE DID UP IN THE
WE LEFT THEM SOME ROADS GETTING OUT OF THERE.
THEY, THEY STILL GOT THE ACCESS MATTER, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO FIX FIVE OR SIX ROADS TO THE TRUCK DAMAGE IT LIMIT LIMITS ME DOWN TO FIXING, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE ROADS RIGHT.
OR CAN THE COURT DESIGNATE THE ROADS THAT THEY COULD USE? I DUNNO IF YOU COULD DO THAT OR NOT.
I, I, THEY, THEY CAN GO DOWN ANY ROAD THAT THEY'RE LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO GO DOWN.
THEY'VE GOT A PERMIT TO GO ANYWHERE AND IF THEY'RE GOING FOR A DELIVERY IN OR OUT, THEY GO ANYWHERE.
BUT IT HAS TO BE ON THAT ROAD.
THE ROADS I'VE GOT ON HERE IN PRECINCT TWO ARE DESIGNED TO KEEP HEAVY TRUCKS FROM TAKING SHORTCUTS ACROSS THERE DUE ALL CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN YOUR PRECINCT.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO 'EM, YOU SAY, SO I'LL PUT 'EM ON BECAUSE THEY'RE IN PRECINCT TOO RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, YOU JUST, WE'LL TAKE 'EM OFF BECAUSE THEY ARE IN YOUR PRECINCT.
BUT TO KEEP THOSE TRUCKS AND TURN UP THAT ROAD AS A SHORTCUT GOING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WE'VE GOT THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO EXERCISE THAT.
I HATE TO, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
YOU WANT READ WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, YES SIR.
IF I COULD JUST ASK MR. LONG OR THIS DEFINITION OF, OF, UH, THROUGH TRAFFIC, I BELIEVE IT'S EITHER 3 49 OR THREE 50 THAT GOES BY THE OLD, WHAT I CALL THE CHRISTMAS TREE FARM.
UH, AND THEN IT MAKES A T INTO ANOTHER ROAD AND THAT'S EITHER, THAT'S IF ONE OF 'EM 3 49, THE OTHER'S THREE 50 WELL, IS GOING OFF OF HIGHWAY 80 PAST THE CHRISTMAS TREE FARM TO THE ROAD THAT IT TEES INTO, IS THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC ON HIGHWAY 3 49? BECAUSE IF THIS THING BLOCKS THROUGH TRAFFIC ON JUST THAT ROAD, THEN THAT'S A BARRIER TO GETTING TO ANY ROCK PROPERTIES THAT ARE NORTH OF 3 49.
AND THAT IS A, THAT'S THE, AND THAT DOES SEEM LIKE THROUGH TRAFFIC.
WELL, TO ME, IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT SOMEONE CERTAINLY COULD ARGUE THAT IT IS, AND, AND THAT IF YOU DON'T LET, WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME THAN YOU WANT, BUT I SIMPLY POINT OUT THAT I ALWAYS THINK OF THOSE ARE JUST COUNTRY ROADS.
SO, BUT IT, IT, IT IS TECHNICAL.
YOU PROBABLY HAVING TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT ROADS HOW YOU GET LEON LESTER'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS, I DON'T KNOW, TWO OR THREE MILES NORTH OF HIGHWAY 80, YOU'D PROBABLY GROWN ACROSS, UH, TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT NAMED COUNTY ROADS.
AND IF, IF THAT PRECLUDES HIM ACCESS OR TO GETTING OFF HIS PLACE OR TRUCK ROCK TRUST GETTING OFF HIS PLACE, THEN THEY'RE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. ARE ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT 3 49 IS, IS USED TO GET FROM HIGHWAY 82, UH, AN OPERATION TO A BUSINESS OPERATION? WELL, I DID.
IT'S KINDA LIKE THE KNEE BONES BACK, ANKLE, BONE, THE 3 49, IF I'M WRITING MY NUMBER, IT IS CONNECTED TO FROM THREE EIGHT TO, TO GET TO FROM HIGHWAY 80.
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AND THEN THREE 50 I THINK.SEE OPPOSITE THREE 50, I'M SORRY, I'VE GOT 'EM MIXED UP.
3 49 GETS YOU THREE CLOSER AND I THINK 3 46 AND THEN I THINK IT'S 3 46.
3 4 7 GOES TO 3 40, 3 49 GOES TO 3 46.
YOU GOT, YOU'VE GOT THREE NUMBERED ROADS THAT YOU HAVE TO CROSS TO GET THROUGH TO THE ROCK QUARRY AND ACROSS 3 48 TOO, TO CROSS ALL THAT.
SO THERE'S, SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THROUGH MEANS JUST THESE LITTLE SEGMENTS, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S A BARRIER TO TRANSPORTATION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THAT'S, THIS IS A DIFFERENT OPERATION THAN THE TRINITY MATERIALS SEPARATION? NO, THE, THE LEON LESTER IS THERE, OWNS LAND NORTH OF 80.
THERE USED TO BE A ROCK PIT ON THERE.
IT'S RIGHT NEAR MR. RICE'S PROPERTY.
AND JIS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS.
UH, THERE WAS A ROCK PIT THERE BACK BEFORE THERE WAS A LAWSUIT AND UM, IT OPENS UP A DIFFERENT BUNCH OF ISSUES.
BUT TRINITY, THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF THE LAWSUIT.
TRINITY OWNS THE RIGHT TO LEASE AND TAKE ROCK FROM MR. LESTER'S PROPERTY.
IS IT DOING IT NOW? NO, IT'S NOT.
IT'S IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A LONG RETIREMENT.
BUT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.
BUT I THINK EVERYONE THAT FOOLS WITH THE ROCK BELIEVES THAT MR. LESTER HAS A VALUABLE ROCK QUARRY ON HIS PROPERTY.
THAT, UH, I THINK, UH, THAT TRINITY RIGHT NOW IS MAKING, UNDERTAKING THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO MINE IN THE, I DON'T KNOW, YOU COULD ASK THEM, THEY'RE HERE, BUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS WOULD BE MY GUESS.
YOU, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN TELL YOU BEFORE PRECISION, BUT VERY DEFINITELY THAT'S INTENDED TO, UH, BE A ROCK QUARRY.
AND IT'S, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, I'VE GOT A MAP.
WELL, WELL, BRUCE, I THINK THIS IS WHAT I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, THAT, THAT AT SOME FUTURE TIME, IF, IF, IF THAT PROPERTY IS INTENDED FOR THAT USE, THEN THE COURT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IF, IF IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR IT, THEN UH, UH, OR IS IT, IS THERE SOME NO ACTIVITY? WELL, YOU KNOW, TO GET THESE, WHEN WE GET, I, I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT I, THE, UH, TO GET A PERMIT, I'M NOT, SO I'M SURE COMMERCIAL TRUCKS HAVE GOTTA GET ON THE PROPERTY TO, FOR SOME TESTING PURPOSES BEFORE YOU CAN GET A PERMIT.
WELL, AND I DON'T, BUT, BUT NO MINING.
MY BELIEF IS THOSE TRUCKS WOULD, WOULD RATHER THAN TAKE THAT ROUTE, WOULD COME OFF OF 27, 28.
AND THAT WOULD BE, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT, BUT AS SOMEBODY THAT HAS PROPERTY IN THAT AREA, I CAN'T, WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE SHORTEST ROUTE WHERE THE PROPERTY ON, WHERE THE TRUCKS WOULD COME IN ON 3 46, IF IN FACT THEY WIND UP DOING THAT, I HOPE THERE ARE OTHER ROUTES THAT MAY BECOME AVAILABLE FOR TRINITY INDUSTRY, SO THEY WOULD STAY OFF OUR COUNTY ROADS.
BUT I DON'T, I CONSIDER, AND I, AND I HAVEN'T TALKED WITH THE COUNSELOR ABOUT THIS, BUT I CONSIDER THAT BEING, IF A TRUCK CAME OFF OF HIGHWAY 80, WENT THREE 50 TO 3 49, TURNED RIGHT ON 3 49, TURNED INTO 3 47 AND THEN FOLLOWED IT ALL THE WAY AROUND TO COUNTY ROUTE 3 46, I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY LONG WAY TO GET BACK TO HIGHWAY 80.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THE VEHICLE WOULD DO THAT TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I CONSIDER THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW, BUT I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ILLEGAL THROUGH TRAFFIC TO GO ACROSS THOSE ROADS.
I MEAN THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT WOULD BE, IF I, I CAME OUT 27, 28 ON 3 46 AND FOR SOME STRANGE REASON FOLLOWED ALL THAT AROUND, WHICH I MEAN THERE'S SOME AWFUL CLOSE TIE TURNS THAT WOULD BE THERE PROTECTED FOR OUR TRUCKS.
THAT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT, WHAT IS ON THE TABLE HERE? I MAY, I'M SORRY FOR EXTENDING.
I'M GLAD I RAISED YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE I UH, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL DEPRIVE TRINITY OF ACCESS OR NO, I DON'T OF ACCESS TO HIS QUARRY AND THAT'S WHAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A RIGHT ON.
WE UNDERSTAND WE CANNOT DO THAT.
UH, BUT WE ALSO WANT OUR FRIENDS AT TRINITY
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INDUSTRIES TO DO ALL THEY CAN.AND I, I BELIEVE BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THAT THEY WILL DO ALL THEY CAN TO KEEP TRUCK TRAFFIC OFF COUNTY ROADS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
WELL, COUNTY'S MAY GET 20 SECONDS FOR A COMMERCIAL FOR THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT IS, I THINK IT DEMONSTRATES THEIR GOOD FAITH.
THREE 14 HAS GOT, NOW IT'S GOT 14 HOUSES ON IT BEFORE IT GETS PAST MY MOTHER'S PROPERTY.
WHEN THEY STARTED MINING, THEY HAD LIKE THREE, IT'S ENOUGH.
THEY BOUGHT, I'M PARDON? WE'LL, I'LL, I'LL ALLOW 'EM ABOUT ANOTHER 10 SECONDS.
THEY BOUGHT 70 ACRES OF LAND THAT NOBODY WANTED.
DOESN'T HAVE ANY INTERSTATE FRONT, ANY FRONTAGE AT ALL, JUST SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE TRUCKS.
PASSED ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN OF THOSE HOUSES.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
COURT MEMBERS, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, UH, DISCUSS OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ACT ON THIS PARTICULAR MOTION THAT IS, UH, WE HAVE LISTED ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.
I KNEW WE INSTEAD READING ALL THAT.
NUMBER SIX, I KNEW THAT, UH, WE NOT ALLOWED COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC ON ALL THOSE ROADS AND PLACE SIGNS ON ALL THOSE ROADS.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER, UH, CLARK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? JUDGE? YES.
WHEN HE SAID NOT A LOT COMMERCIAL, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL TRUCK THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH TRUCK.
COMMERCIAL THROUGH TRUCK, TRAFFIC THROUGH TRUCK WITH THE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE TO BE PLACED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
NEXT ITEM IS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
WE DO HAVE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER, WE GOTTA GET THOSE RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING SETTING A 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT 27 PRECINCT, AND ALSO A 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON COUNTY ROAD ONE SEVEN PRECINCT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE HERE SPEAKING THAT ANYONE CARE WHO SPEAKS TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA.
I'M JUST GONNA ASK THAT, THAT WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, JOHN, TO GET PERMISSION TO PUT UP A 20 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT INSIDE.
ANY OTHER, ANYBODY HERE WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA CONCERNING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNTY RULE 1 27, TALK TO THE COUNTY PRECINCT.
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, GO BACK INTO THE RECORD SESSION.
COMMISSIONER ROWDEN, UH, MAKES THAT SECOND OR MAKES THAT MOTION WE HAVE A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER JACKSON, SECONDS THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON SETTING A 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON COUNTY ROAD 1 27 IN CA COUNTY AND PLACING 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ON CA COUNTY RULE ONE SEVEN IN CA COUNTY PRECINCT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE POST ITEM NUMBER 11 IS TO RECEIVE AND, UH, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ACCEPTING THE
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TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR REPORT FROM OUR TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR DICK MURPHY FROM MAY, 2011.I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'VE SPENT THE ENTIRE LAST WEEK ON ROADS A WHOLE LOT WORSE THAN COUNTY WE WERE IN HONDURAS FOR.
DID YOU TAKE PICTURES OF THOSE? THEY GOT Y'ALL DOWN THE ROAD.
NOBODY PAYS ANY ATTENTION TO IT.
THEY MEAN THE SAME THING THEY DO IN THE STATE.
THROUGH THE MONTH OF MAY IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE COLLECTED 95% OF THE ASSESSED TAXES AND IN ROAD AND BRIDGE, 95%.
THE FIRST ONE WAS 28 MILLION PLUS, THE SECOND WAS 2.7 MILLION AND DELINQUENT TAX ROLL.
WE'VE COLLECTED 25% IN, UH, GENERAL FUND AND 24% IN THE, UH, ROAD AND BRIDGE, ALL OF WHICH IS INACCESSIBLE LAST YEAR THIS TIME.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENT ROLE JULY, UH, CONSIDERING EVERYTHING, EVEN INCLUDING ATTORNEY FEES, WE COLLECTED 28 MILLION 2 53 AS COMPARED TO 27 200 LAST YEAR.
INCLUDING FEES AND THE DELINQUENT TAXES ARE ARE HIGHER AS WELL.
PART OF THAT OF COURSE IS THE ATTORNEY FEES, BUT 9 63 25.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MURPHY? THANK YOU.
ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE, UH, TAX ELECTRIC REPORT FROM MAY, 2011.
UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, SIR.
JEFF BROWN IS HERE TODAY TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON FINES AND FEES AND FORTH.
I I PUT ONE OF THESE, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS IN FRONT OF EACH ONE THIS MORNING BEFORE WE STARTED, I WAS HERE, UM, LATE LAST MONTH.
COMMISSIONER CLARK, I SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME BACKUP TO THE NUMBERS THAT I, THAT I WAS COMING UP WITH AND, AND, UH, WE, WE GAVE FIVE THAT TO YOU THIS TIME SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UH, WHERE, WHERE IT IS.
I'M DRAWING THE NUMBERS FROM, IF YOU WILL.
THE VERY TOP LINE, UH, UH, TALKS ABOUT THE JANUARY THROUGH MAY, UH, JP COURT COLLECTIONS RE REGARDING, UH, ALL, ALL THEIR FEES, UH, FOR LAST YEAR, THE JANUARY THROUGH MAY PERIOD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, NO ONE, UH, OTHER THAN JP THREE, NOBODY WAS ABOVE 200,000.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NEXT LINE.
UH, TWO OF THE THREE ARE ABOUT 200,000 FOR THE SAME PERIOD.
THIS YEAR, UH, THE INCREASES HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, REALLY, REALLY GOOD IN MY OPINION.
UH, THEY'RE, ESPECIALLY JPS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR HAVE DONE REALLY, REALLY WELL.
UH, JUST THIS YEAR, ANYTIME YOU GET AN INCREASE IN DOUBLE DIGITS IN TERMS OF THESE, THESE ITEMS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
IF YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL, IF YOU GO DOWN CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THE OVERALL PERCENTAGE INCREASE IS 36%.
UM, AGAIN, UH, BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT, UH, THIS HAS BEEN A CONCERTED EFFORT INVOLVING, UH, THE JPS, THE CONSTABLE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UH, MY LAW FIRM HAS BEEN HELPING TO HELP A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
AND AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOTAL INCREASE IS 279,000 FROM THOSE AREAS OF REVENUE, IT'S A LITTLE OVER $55,000 A MONTH.
UH, SO THAT I, I'M HOPING THAT HELPING THE BUDGETARY CONCERN IN THE COUNTY AND HELPING, UH, ALLEVIATE SOME OF FINANCIAL PRESSURES.
WE HAVE, UH, BEEN RESPONSIBLE NOW FOR $128,000 OF THAT.
UM, WE ARE, WE HOPE THAT, UH, UH, THEY, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW.
WE'RE BUILDING MOMENTUM, WE'RE GETTING NEW PLACEMENTS, DOING MORE LETTERS.
WE HAD A BAIL LAST WEEK AND WE HAD A PHONE.
WE'VE HAD, UH, PHONE BANKS WORKING IN THE PAST WEEK ON, ON CASES HERE IN TALK COUNTY.
UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING ALONG A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
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ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU IS AS COMMISSIONER HARD KNOW THAT WE HAD SOME ISSUES EARLY ON ABOUT, UH, JUST, JUST FLAT DROPPING THE BALL A LITTLE BIT.WE'VE NOW CHANGED THE WAY WE'RE DOING OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON WHO IS ON THE GROUND.
HE'S BEEN IN THE COUNTY SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY KNOW TOMORROW MORNING HE'S GONNA MEET THE COUNTY CLERK.
UH, HE'S GONNA BE SOMEONE WHO'S NOT JUST, UH, NOT JUST SITTING BEHIND A DESK PUSHING YOUR BUTTON OR SENDING EMAILS.
HE'S GONNA BE HERE, HE'S GONNA GET TO KNOW THE COURT PERSONNEL IF KNOWS WHETHER THE, THE COUNTY LITTLE BIT, IT'S MORE ALONG THE
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE BENEFICIAL FOR ONE GOOD REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT WE'RE DOING? NO.
THIS, UH, TOTAL INCREASE, IS THAT AL IS THAT $279,000 ALL OF OUR MONEY OR IS THAT ALL OF OUR NO, THAT WOULD BE ALL COLLECTIONS.
THAT'S STATE AND EVERYBODY'S MONEY.
AND I'M NOT, MR. CLARK, IF YOU'D LIKE, IF YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT NEXT MONTH ABOUT HOW MUCH IS YOURS, I SAW SOME, SOMEBODY DID THAT FOR US ONE TIME THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE COLLECTED A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WE GOT THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS ADDED THAT.
SO I JUST WANT, IT LOOKED LIKE OUR INCOME IS GOING TO BE UP, WHICH IS GOOD.
SO NO, AND, AND I WILL, I'LL GET A BREAK DOWN.
I, GEORGE OR OR SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY HIS IT OFFICE ON BE ABLE.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING WILL NEED TO REMEMBER THIS IS, I MEAN, THROUGH MAY AND WE DIDN'T REALLY GET THINGS UP AND GOING UNTIL MIDDLE OF MARCH.
SO REALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT TWO MONTHS, TWO AND A HALF MONTHS OF, UH, OF INCREASE.
AND THEN THE ONLINE CREDIT CARD PLAN THING, I BELIEVE JUST GOT WORKING OVER THE PRECINCT TWO THIS MONTH.
REALLY? AND I BELIEVE ALREADY IN JUNE THEY'VE ALREADY COLLECT OVER $10,000 ON CREDIT CARD.
JUST, JUST IN, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS.
SO THAT'S, THAT SHOULD BE A BIG HELP.
BUT CERTAINLY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
OTHER QUESTIONS OF, UH, MR. BROWN? ALL THANK YOU SIR.
WE GOTTA TAKE SOME APPROVAL JUST TO GOOD REPORT AFFECTS OUR OVERALL FINANCIAL STATUS OF ACCOUNT.
THAT CERTAINLY IS A ITEM NUMBER 13 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON SIGNING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAZORIA COUNTY FOR BOOK RESTORATION FOR THE COUNTY CLERK.
MR. SEBASTIAN AND MS. HUGHES I BELIEVE HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UH, IF YOU HAD TO LEAVE, YOU HAVE THAT WHAT AGREEMENT COREY, UM, BRAZO COUNTY HAD HAD BID THAT OUT AND THEY'RE USING, UH, BROWN'S RIVER MARIAT COMPANY AND I BELIEVE WE'VE USED THOSE PEOPLE IN THE PAST, THEY DID A GREAT JOB AND I RECOMMEND SIGNING THAT AGREEMENT.
UH, LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING AT THIS TIME IS $48,072, AND I BELIEVE IT COMES OUTTA LARGE FUND.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT IN COURT BRIEFLY AND, UH RIGHT.
THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S FEES THAT YOU HAVE COLLECTED FOR ACTIVITY IN THE, IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
AND, UH, JUDGE, I THINK WE JUST, I'M WANT BRING THIS UP WITH WOULD, UH, SISE IN THE, UH, WE HAD A 15,000 RULE, UH, COME TO COURT.
I'M ASSUMING EVIDENCE WILL COVER THAT AS WELL TODAY, BACK TO COURT.
SINCE WE GOT IT ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD RECOMMEND SIGNING THAT AND I'LL, I'LL FIRST ORDER TO, UH, MARIA RATHER FOR THAT.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE $48,000 PREVIOUSLY.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GO BACK AND VERIFY THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA DO THAT TODAY.
I THINK WE WERE, AND WE DISCUSSED IT BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH HOW TO MAKE SURE THE MONEY IS THERE, BUT WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AND IF IT'S NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP, BUT FOR TODAY'S PURPOSES, WE CAN.
I HAVE A MOTION TO, SO HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MANNING.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING REPAIRS TO A BOILER AT THE COFFMAN COUNTY JAIL.
THAT'S EXCEEDS EXPENSES OF $15,000.
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DO THEY NEED A BOILER IN THIS KIND OF WEATHER OUT THERE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, JUDGE.WE HAD ANOTHER BOILER GO DOWN AT THE, SO, AND I THINK IT AFFECTS HOW WARM THEIR WATER AND WASH THE CLOTHES AND ALL THIS SORT OF THING.
I HAVE ACTUALLY PLACED AN ORDER FOR THAT.
THE TOTAL WAS $16,420 78 CENTS, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT TO COURT.
I STILL THINK THAT SHOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE QUALITY MACHINE.
I, I THINK THIS ONE IS, UH, I UNDERSTAND IT IS JUST DUE TO WHERE TEAR.
DID WE, DID WE EVER TALK TO THE INSURANCE PEOPLE, THE ADJUSTERS? I, I, I JUST BELIEVE THAT'S COVERED.
UM, I WOULD TALK TO SOMEBODY THERE THAT BOILER MACHINERY COVERED.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A FIRE POLICY.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST CHECK IN.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE REPAIRS ON THE BOILER AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 15 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADVERTISING A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL FOR COLLECTION OF DELINQUENT FINES AND FEES.
JACK, JUDGE, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR PERMISSION TO ADVERTISE, UH, TO GET THAT, GET THAT BID OUT AND UH, GET THAT GOING.
HAVE YOU GOT DATES YET? YOU HAVE DATES YET? NO, SIR.
AS PART OF THAT, AND JACK, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL THIS MORNING.
WE DO NEED TO GET THAT DONE PROBABLY FAIRLY.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BUDGET STUFF GOING ON.
WHAT I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT WAS THE, UH, DATES ON THE INSURANCE COVERAGE AND ALL THAT STUFF YOU'RE WORKING ON AS WELL.
UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT OUR CONTRACT, AND HELP ME HERE IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT I BELIEVE OUR CONTRACT WITH LINEER WE EXTENDED FOR SIX MONTHS, I THINK, UH, DIDN'T WE UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST OF OCTOBER.
SO WE'LL NEED TO BE C COGNIZANT OF THAT.
UH, WHENEVER WE ADVERTISE FOR THOSE, THOSE BID, THAT'S GOOD FOR OCTOBER ONE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'LL BE, YEAH, OCTOBER ONE WHEN, WHEN A NEW CONTRACT WOULD START.
DID WE VOTE ON THAT? NO, WE DIDN'T.
COMMISSIONER, UH, DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION? YES.
COMMISSIONER SECOND CLARK MAKES A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER MANNING SECOND'S MOTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NUMBER 16 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADVERTISING OR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR COLLECTION DELINQUENT TAXES.
AND JUDGE, THIS IS THE SAME THING.
I THINK WE JUST, CLARK MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THAT DONE SEPARATELY.
IS THIS THE SAME ONE THAT JEFF AND THEM COLLECTED NOW? YES.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT DICK.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THAT? FIRST I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION.
WHAT KIND OF BID DO YOU GET? HOW, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR? WE'RE ASKING FOR QUOTATIONS, UH, FOR THAT SAME SERVICE THAT CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED.
ARE THEY GOING QUOTE FEES? YES, SIR.
BECAUSE I THINK FEES ARE SET BY THE ENTITIES.
THE STATE MORE LIKE A RQ WOULD BE AN R IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE AN R-F-P-R-P.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, HISTORY ON, ON, UH, WHO ALL OUT THERE WHO THEY, YOU KNOW, FLORIDA COUNTY FOR.
THE OTHER QUESTION, ARE YOU LOOKING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ATTORNEY AT THE SAME TIME? WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS TO PUT AN RFP LIKE I WAS ASKED TO DO.
WHAT AN RFP IS, A QUESTION PROPOSAL TO SEE WHO WAS OUT THERE AND TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT COMPETITION TO WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND WANT TO SEE WHAT ALL'S OUT THERE, WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT MAY VERY WELL BE THE SAME CONTRACT WE'VE ALREADY GOT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE CONTRACTS OR WHAT OR NEED, LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE.
WHAT IS THE, UH, UH, STATE FEE NOW? 20%? WELL, UP TO 20%.
SO IF SOMEBODY, SOME OF THE ENTITIES THEY HAVE SET 15 AND MOST OF THEM AT 20.
IF AN ENTITY WANTED TO COME IN AND AND CHARGE UH, 20% THEN DON'T KNOW 5% TO THE COUNTY, I GUESS YEAH, WE'D TAKE IT.
YOUR CONCERN DICK WAS HAVING IF WE HAD TWO YEAH.
IT PUTS A, A HEAVIER LOAD ON YOUR DEPARTMENT.
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WERE TELLING ME? WE, IT WOULD JUST BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HANDLE TWO SETS OF ATTORNEYS TRYING TO GET THE SAME DELINQUENT TAXES WE HAVE.WELL WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IN HENDERSON COUNTY BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A DIFFERENT ATTORNEY WORKING ON TAXES IN HENDERSON COUNTY.
I MEAN, THAT WOULDN'T MAKE NO, WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US COLLECTING TAXES FROM HENDERSON COUNTY EITHER.
BUT I CAN'T CONVINCE THE LEGISLATURE TO YEAH.
DRAW A LINE IN THE COUNTY MONEY.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MR. ME BE ON THE, UH, PANEL TO REVIEW THE HE FEES.
WELL, I THINK BEYOND THE QUESTION, YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD.
WHEN YOU SAY TWO ATTORNEYS, NOT FOR THE SAME.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE TWO ATTORNEYS COLLECT DELINQUENT TAXES.
TWO ATTORNEYS COLLECT QUENT FINES.
SHOULDN'T IT SHOULD BE ONE FIRM.
I'M TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT COUNTY TAXES.
I THINK COUNTY AND THE OTHER ENTITIES.
YEAH, I'VE HEARD OF ONE, I'VE HEARD OF ONE ENTITY OR ONE COUNTY THAT, UH, I DON'T HOW IT WORKS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WORKED THAT WAY, BUT THEY GIVE IT, THEY GIVE THE FINES OR THE, THE TAXES TO ONE FIRM FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
THEY MAY GIVE IT TO ANOTHER FIRM LATER AND SHE, SHE'S GOING, THE COUNTY JUDGE IS GONNA TELL ME HOW THAT'S WORKING.
BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WON'T LOOK AT, BUT YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAUSE DELINQUENT TAXES TO, DEPENDS ON HOW MANY CITIZENS YOU HAVE TO DE FURTHER TAXES.
IF YOU'RE ON THAT REVIEW BOARD, THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT WOULD AFFECT YOUR, UH, OPERATIONS, UH, NEGATIVELY OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK ONCE, IF WE DECIDE TO DO THIS, ONCE WE GET THOSE HEIM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THE PERSON THAT DEALS WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS ON THERE.
BUT I THINK THERE OUGHT BE A COUPLE COMMISSIONER COURT MEMBERS OR MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP A REVIEW THAT LONG JACK TO MAKE UP A, YOU KNOW, A REVIEW OF THE PHONES THEY WERE RECEIVED BACK IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? WELL, DID, DID GET THE ANSWERS TO YOUR COURSES, MR. YOU GET THE ANSWERS TO YOUR COURSES.
IS IT, CAN I READ IT BEFORE YOU, YOU CAN HAVE IT PRE PREPARED IF YOU'D LIKE.
AND, AND I KNOW THIS IS AN ITEM THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT.
UH, MY POSITION IS THIS IS THE YEAR, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS, THAT BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHERE WE HEADED, IT'S JUST, IN MY OPINION, A GOOD BUSINESS DECISION TO DO THIS.
NOW I KNOW WE CONDUCT A WIDE RANGE OF OPINIONS ON THAT AND IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL ABOUT THIS.
IT'S JUST A BUSINESS THING TO ME.
A BUSINESS DECISION, IS IT HIS DECISION AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SUBCONTRACT THIS OUT TO AN OUTSIDE VENDOR? I KNOW FOR FINES AND COURT COSTS, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THE STATUTE IS CLEAR, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN GO OUT TO AN OUTSIDE VENDOR TO GET OTHER BIDS.
AND I, AND I WONDER IF THAT'S THE SAME WAY WITH TAX COLLECTIONS.
I GUESS ARE YOU QUESTIONING OR IS THE QUESTION, CAN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT SEAT BIDS FOR THIS OR IS IT HIS DO AS A TAX ASSESSMENT UNDER THE STATUTE? MY ASSUMPTION EITHER, AND I MAY BE WRONG BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN AREA THAT I HAVE A LOT OF LEGAL KNOWLEDGE ON, BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT SINCE THE CONTRACT, I SUPPOSE, IS WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY, THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THAT CONTRACT OR, OR GRANT THAT CONTRACT.
UH, JOHN DO YOU, I I I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, I I WOULD IMAGINE JEFF HAS LOOKED AT THAT MORE RECENTLY.
IS IS THAT CORRECT? I I THINK THE AUTHORITY RESIDES WITH MR. STEWART.
THE, THE AUTHORITY RESIDES WITH, UH, THE GOVERNING BODY OF EACH OF THE TAX JURISDICTIONS.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE HOLD TALKS ABOUT IS, IS ABOUT THE GOVERNING BODY TAX JURISDICTIONS.
UM, HOWEVER, THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, 'CAUSE IT IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT, RFPS ARE IN FACT NOT REQUIRED.
UH, BUT COURTLY CAN PROCEED HOW HE'D LIKES TO PROCEED.
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IF THE COUNTY HIRES ANOTHER ATTORNEY, DOES EACH ENTITY HAVE TO AGREE TO HIRE THAT ATTORNEY? I I, I WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW, UH, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, THAT KIND OF THING.I KNOW THE, UH, IN MANY PLACES THEY DO HAVE TO APPROVE OR HAVE SOME, I INTER IS ONE OF THOSE THAT, WELL, IF THEY DISAPPROVE IT, THAT MEANS THEY COLLECT THEIR OWN TAXES BASICALLY.
I THREATENED THAT WITH ONE ENTITY ONCE AND THEY CAME RIGHT BACK.
IF THEY DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO COLLECT THE TAXES, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT MEANS, WELL YOU CAN GO HIRE SOMEBODY TO COLLECT YOUR OWN TAXES.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
ONE, THE ONE ENTITY I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT FOUND OUT PRETTY QUICK, IT WOULD BE VERY MUCH MORE COSTLY I WOULD IMAGINE.
START ALL OVER MS. USED, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR S AND I? AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE GOT PLENTY OF WORK TO DO.
IT JUST SEEMS NOW IT TIME PERHAPS TO LOOK AT THIS AND, UH, JEFF AND HIS FIRM HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH US AND THE FACT, JEFF, WERE ON THE WITNESS STAND ONE DAY LAST WEEK, UH, WITH THE OTHER ISSUE WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND, UH, PROVIDED TESTIMONY AND WE APPRECIATE HIM DOING THAT FOR US FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, WE DO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AND I'M ASKING WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
I BELIEVE THAT WE ADVERTISE FOR BIDS AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO REFLECTION ON WHAT JEFF HAS BEEN DONE.
JEFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOR WHAT WE'VE BEEN DONE.
IT'S JUST TO BACK UP, THINK THAT WE NEED TO PURSUE ALL THE APPLICANTS AND WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK.
ITEM NUMBER 1817 IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON PURCHASING DUMP TRUCKS FOR PRECINCTS ONE AND THREE WITH A REPURCHASE OPTION FROM EAST TEXAS MAC THROUGH THE BUYBOARD FOR, UH, JACK, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UH, JIM, I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF QUOTE FROM EAST TEXAS MAC, UH, OF TRUCKS IS 115,000 AND PLUS THE BUY MORE FEE, UH, 400 PER PURCHASE ORDER.
UH, WE HAVE A, UH, BUYBACK AGREEMENT THAT THEY'LL BUY THE TRUCK BACK LESS THAN 15,000.
UH, IN THE PAST YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT, UH, WE HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE THEY BOUGHT THE TRUCK BACK LESS THAN 9,000 AND THAT WAS FOR A 14 MONTH LEASE LEASE, 14 MONTHS.
UH, MAC HAD WANTED TO EXTEND THAT OUT TO 18 MONTHS DUE TO THE ECONOMY AND SELLING TRUCKS AND WHATEVER.
UH, SO BASICALLY WE WOULD HAVE THESE TRUCKS FOR 18 MONTHS, UH, AND THEN IT'D BE BUYBACK.
WE PAY 15,000 VERSUS 9,000 FOR 12 MONTHS.
UH, I HAVE SPOKE TO OUR LENDER, UH, THEY'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
I THINK THE FIRST TIME WE RAN INTO THIS NEW PROGRAM, IT KIND OF CAUSED A LITTLE PROBLEM RECENTLY TOO ON FINANCE.
UH, I SPOKE WITH, AGAIN, WITH THE FINANCE COMPANY AND AT BE ABLE CONSIDER THIS AND WHAT HE AGREED TO DO IS TO LOOK AT, UH, UH, INSTEAD OF PAYING 14 MONTHS WHERE YOU PAID THE 9,000 AND PLUS INTEREST, WHAT WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING IS AT, UH, AT UH, 12 MONTHS, YOU PAID HALF THE 15,000 WOULD BE 7,500 PLUS INTEREST AND IN SIX MONTHS YOU WOULD, UH, PAY THE OTHER 7,500 PLUS INTEREST.
AND THEN OF COURSE THEN WHEN YOU TURN THOSE TRUCK VALUE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER PAYMENT FOR ANOTHER 12 MONTHS.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA IMPACT THE BUDGET FOR EVERYBODY A LITTLE, LITTLE BETTER, UH, BE LESS COST PER YEAR.
UH, JACK, AM I GONNA OWE A BUNCH ON THOSE TRUCKS THAT I LET GO BACK? UH, LIKE PRECINCT TWO WAS HAVING, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, UH, COMMISSIONER IS, UH, UH, THE INTEREST AND THEN THE 9,000, YOU GOT FOUR TRUCKS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
YOU TAKE, YOU TAKE, UH, I THINK THERE'S 36,000 VALVE PLUS APPROXIMATELY 16,000 3 57 INTEREST.
UH, YOU DIVIDED BY FOUR, THAT'S $13,089 25 CENTS PER TRUCK.
CALCULATION ABOUT ABOUT AN THOUSAND PER MONTH.
AND, UH, I THINK, UH, YOUR COST LIKELY TO BE LESS ON THE NEW TRUCKS FINE ANYWAY.
YOU HAVE TO, UH, PAY FOR THE, IT WON'T BE 30, 40 THE SAME.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE FOUR TRUCKS.
I THINK YOU'RE ONE REPURCHASE FOUR MORE TRUCKS
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AND PRECINCT ONE WANTS BUY TWO TRUCKS.SO THEY'LL BE TURNING IN FOUR AND THEN BIN TWO AND YOU'LL BE TURNING FOUR BIN FOUR.
BUT I THINK YOU PRETTY CREATIVE FINANCING AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HELP YOU FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, JACK, IS THIS THE ONLY, IS THIS THE ONLY, UH, TRUCK DEALERSHIP THAT PARTICIPATES IN THE VALVE BOARD? NO, SIR.
SIR, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, TRUCKS AVAILABLE NOW.
EAST TEXAS HAS BEEN PRE CREATIVE ON THIS BUYBACK, I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF THE BRAND.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHERE WE BUY THE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BUY A COUPLE BACK FROM US.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, UH, ROCK HAULERS PRETTY MUCH TELL GOT ROCK HAUL IN LINE BY THIS TRUCK.
AND ONE REASON WHY THAT IS, IS THAT WHEN A TRUCK HAUL BUYS A TRUCK AT ITS COST, THE FEDERAL EXCISE TAXES IS QUITE A BIT, WE'RE EXEMPT FROM THAT.
SO WHEN WE SELL THIS TRUCK, NOW IT'S A USED TRUCK AND THEY DON'T PAY THAT, UH, FEDERAL EX.
THAT'S WHY IT'S REAL, UH, UH, GOOD FOR THAT VENDOR.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE'S TEXTING ON ONE THE TOP THIS BUYBACK ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WE CAN'T BUY THE TRUCKS YOU'D HAVE TO FINANCE FOR 60 MONTHS OR 72, WHATEVER.
AND THAT'S STILL THE, AT THE $115,000 PRICE TAG.
NOW THAT'S, IF YOU DECIDE, KEEP IT.
SO BASICALLY YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TO RUN A TRUCK FOR 18 MONTHS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 15,000 BUCKS PLUS
WELL, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I'M JUST, UH, LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, THE BUYBACK THING, I, YOU KNOW, I, I FIGURE IF YOU BUY A TRUCK, YOU EXPECT IT TO HAVE A 10 YEAR LIFE, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN 18 MONTH BUYBACK THAT NOT PLAN ON USING THEM FOR 18 MONTHS AND TURN THE BACK.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING? YES, SIR.
GETTING ANOTHER 18 MONTHS AND GETTING NEW.
SO YOU GOT NEW TRUCKS COMING THERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY, I GUESS THE SHORT WORD IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT 1100 A MONTH TO RUN A TRUCK TO RUN A HUNDRED THOUSAND TRUCK AND THEN YOU NEVER HAVE REPAIRS.
IT'S ALWAYS UNDER WARRANTY, UH, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN, JIM HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT TOO.
YEAH, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE BOUGHT TWO INTERNATIONAL TRUCKS UNDER TO BUY MORE FOR 78,000 BUCKS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUY BACK.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE KICKER THERE IN THE PROGRAM.
IT'S, YOU BUY OUR TRUCK AND YOU FINANCE IT FOR 60 MONTHS.
YOUR PAYMENTS MORE THAN THIS IS, THAT'S WRITTEN DOWN.
YOU GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
ALRIGHT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? UH, ITEM 17, COMMISSIONER, UH, BROWN MAKES THE MOTION.
DO WE HAVE SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECONDS.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
A THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, UH, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DESIGNATE A DRAFT REDISTRICTING PLAN AS THE ILLUSTRATED PLAN TO BE PROPOSED.
JOHN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US.
UH, I THINK ALL, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A COPY OF THIS.
MS. HUGHES, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU GOT A COPY OR NOT, BUT WE WILL PASS THESE DOWN IF EVERYBODY, THERE'S A WHOLE STACK SOMEWHERE HERE.
ADDITIONAL ONES, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THIS.
JOHN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THIS? UH, YES.
MEMBERS OF THE PRESS HAVE A COPY AS WELL.
UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS, HAS BEEN, UH, VERY COOPERATIVE IN WORKING TO, UH, TO COME UP WITH A ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN THAT YOU RECALL.
I THINK THERE WAS AN INITIAL PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED BY DAVID MENDEZ AND OUR BIG CONCERN WAS, UM, THE, UH, THE 10% NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COUNT WAS JUST SO FAR OUT OF WHACK.
AND, AND THE, THE, UH, I GUESS THE BIGGEST CHANGE WAS TO, UH, PRECINCT TWO AND, AND JUST SHRINKING IT GEOGRAPHICALLY, UH, TO COMPENSATE FOR THE POPULATION.
UH, THIS, UH, ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN, UH, IS THE ONE THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE PROPOSED IN THE JULY 11TH HEARING.
I'M GOING TO HAVE, UH, A LETTER TO THE COURT SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE FOR FRIDAY, UH, COME FROM US AND FROM FROM MENDEZ.
UH, THAT, THAT'S GOING TO DESCRIBE HOW IT, UH, COMPLIES THE OTHERS THAT
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THE, THE, UH, COURT HAS LOOKED AT.BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ONE REFLECTS THE CHANGES THAT COMMISSIONER SCH ROBIN AND MANN HAD WANTED TO, UM, USE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, IT'S A CONCERN ABOUT HOW MANY COUNTY ROADS AND SO FORTH, UH, ULTIMATELY, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WORKED OUT.
QUESTIONS OF, UH, MR. LONG FROM ANYBODY? THIS IS THE PLAN.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES NOW AND IT'S, IT'S AS FAR AS EVERYBODY KNOWS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT DOES MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, ALL THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND, UH, MR. MANNING, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 40% OF THE COUNTY, I THINK GEOGRAPHIC WISE WE'RE PROUD FOR YOU IN THAT.
THANK, SO WE DO NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
UH, HE SET IT FOR A, A PUBLIC HEARING AND I, I THINK COURT DONE THAT AND, AND ANNOUNCED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ITS ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN.
IT'S GONNA BE, DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ACTUAL ACTION TODAY THEN.
NO, THE COURT'S NOT GOING TO PROVE THAT.
THEY DOUBT THE COURT WILL NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
DESIGNATE THIS AS THE PLAN THAT WE WILL BRING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR POSSIBLE ADOPTION AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS SET FOR 9:30 AM ON JUNE, UH, JULY THE 11TH.
THAT'S OUR REGULAR COURT DATE.
AND WE WILL BE PUBLISHING NOTICES IN THE VARIOUS COUNTY NEWSPAPERS.
AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS.
I I BELIEVE OUR PUBLIC IS FAIRLY WELL UP DATE, BUT WE DO NEED TO PUBLISH THOSE NOTICES TO GIVE ANYBODY A ASK DESIRE TO DO SO.
COMMENT AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY.
DO I HAVE A MOTION DESIGNATE, UH, THIS PLAN AS, UH, UH, THE ILLUSTRATE PLAN TO BE PROPOSED FOR PUBLIC CONSIDERATION? SO MAY COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION? OKAY, I'M SORRY.
WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC POTENTIALLY SHOWED UP TO PROTEST SOME OF THIS, HOW DO WE CHANGE, HOW WILL WE MAKE THAT CHANGE? THE, UM, THE COURT CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES IF, IF IT WANTS TO.
I MEAN THE, THE BIG CONSIDERATION HERE IS JUST TO STAY IN THERE 10% BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
BUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO IS EITHER SHERRY MCCALL, THE WOMAN WHO HAD APPEARED PREVIOUSLY, WE COULD SCHEDULE IT AT HER HERE OR WE COULD HAVE HER AVAILABLE.
WE GO TO MEETING SO THAT SHE COULD MAKE THE CHANGES OR WE COULD LOOK PROPOSALS.
SHOULD, SHOULD SOMETHING COME UP AT THE, AND SHE'S PRETTY CLOSE.
SHE LIVES IN FLOWER MILL, SO WE CAN SCHEDULE TO GET HER HERE.
BUT THE LAST LITTLE, THE LAST LITTLE REVISION WE HAD TO MAKE TO EQUALIZE THINGS OUT THERE, DIVIDE THE ROAD.
AND I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE, WE, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE COULDN'T DO.
BUT I GUESS THE POINT BEING, IF, IF THERE'S ENOUGH OF 'EM SHOW UP HERE AND SAY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THAT GOING BACK THROUGH ANOTHER PUBLIC MATT BUSINESS OR NO, YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE ENOUGH TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S JUST ONE CONCERN.
I MEAN, IF YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE THE MAP ENTIRELY, THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULD.
WE JUST HAVE TO RESUBMIT THOSE CHANGES DOWN THE MIDDLE ALL, I GUESS.
WELL, THE ROAD WOULD PROBABLY, THE ROAD WOULD PROBABLY STILL STAY IN PRECINCT TWO, BUT THIS HALF TO PEOPLE WOULD BE VOTING IN PRECINCT.
UH, ONE THIS HAVE TO BE VOTING IN PRECINCT TWO IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH EACH OTHER ON A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY POPULATED ROUTE.
WELL, WE KIND OF GOT THAT NOW.
COMMISSIONER, IF YOUR QUESTION IS DO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, I I I WOULD SAY ONE, YOU DON'T, I MEAN YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
BUT, BUT TWO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES AND CHANGING UP SEVERAL DISTRICTS, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, A, A ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA STAND UP TO ANY SCRUTINY THEN I, I WOULD EXPECT YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, IF Y'ALL MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES HEARING YOU WANT TO SUBMIT THAT PLAN AGAIN.
AND IT MIGHT BE THAT PERHAPS HE COULD TALK TO SHERRY BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THEN AND NOW AND THEN TO SEE WHAT YEAH, I GUESS THE MAIN ISSUE
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IS TAKING THEYOU HAVE A SUGGESTION ON THAT? NO, I, I I, I, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BEST SUGGESTION BECAUSE SHE HAS, UH, SHE'S THE BEST DRAWER IN THE FRONT AND SHE'S THE MOST EXPERIENCED AND SHE CAN SIT THERE AND CAN FIGURE OUT OKAY THE NUMBERS FOR HER AND, AND IF THERE'S A LEGAL ISSUE THAT ARISES AFTER THAT, SHE CAN ALERT SOMEONE MONEY AND SAY, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM HERE TOO.
NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT EVIDENT, EVIDENTLY WE HAVE A PRESIDENT IN THE COUNTY DOING THE SAME THING, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VIEWED TO THE COUNTY.
SO, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
I THINK EVERYBODY ALL IN FAIR TO SAY AYE A.
NO, I WHAT DID YOU DO? YEAH, THAT'S IT.
IT'S FROM THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO THE END.
YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL THE ROADS YOU'RE GOING INHERIT, WE DUNNO WHICH ROAD YOU'RE GONNA INHERIT THAT.
THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T DONE MINE BECAUSE YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ROADS WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE UNTIL WE GET THIS RE THING DONE.
OKAY, WELL I'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN, BUT I IT'S DUE BY TWO LAST, SO I'LL MAKE SURE THEN WE CAN UPDATE IT.
I GUESS THAT ONLY HAPPENS EVERY 10 YEARS.
I'M SORRY, JANUARY THE FIRST 2012.
OKAY, BUT COMMISSIONER JACKSON JACKSON IS CORRECT.
YOU STILL NEED TO GET WE UP ON HOURS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO UH, ACCEPT THAT I MAKE THAT MOTION? MR. JACKSON MAKES THAT MOTION.
ALL IN ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY
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AYE.THOSE OPPOSED ALL DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING RESOLUTION REQUESTING REPRESENTATIVE JEFF HESLING TO HELP OBTAIN VIETNAM WAR ERA MILITARY.
PUT BY THE WAY, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, COMMISSIONER UH, HESLING WILL BE IN THE COUNTY, UH, EIGHT 30, UH, THURSDAY MORNING OVER AT MAPLES HALL.
IF YOU'RE TO GET TO COME TO THAT, THAT MEETING.
AND LET'S SEE, JOHNNY, UH, COUNTRYMAN.
I HAVE A DECISION THAT WE DO THIS ONE.
I THINK YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH IT.
UH, ONCE YOU, THIS WOULD GO TOWARDS THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP FOR PERHAPS THEY GET A HELICOPTER AND SOME OTHER, UH, EQUIPMENT FROM THE, UH, MILITARY.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ROWDEN AND A SECOND FROM THE COMMISSIONER CLARK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I THINK THIS IS THIRD TIME NOW, PERHAPS.
UH, ACCORDING TO JOHN, THIS MAY NOT BE THE LAST TIME.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THAT ROAD.
YOU, ME, WITH THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE HERE FROM THAT, BUT WE HAVE THE, UH, SURVEY OKAY.
UH, WE HAVE AGREEMENT WITH THE PEOPLE ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO PAY IT OUT, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THAT, WHICH I'LL WORK OUT WITH JACK OR SOMEBODY ON THAT.
WHAT I DON'T HAVE ARE THE, UH, EASEMENTS FOR EACH ONE OF THE, THE PEOPLE TO THE, TO THE ROAD.
BUT AT THE END HERE, YOU SAID TO ENSURE THE MATTER IS FULLY PRESENTED.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE PASSED UNTIL THE NEXT HEARING.
I, I, I WOULD THINK SO, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE HERE, THEN, THEN TAKE YOUR COMMENT.
MY OTHER THOUGHT WAS, UH, HOW WOULD YOU, UH, IS, IS THE PUBLIC PURPOSE TO SOME POINT IMPROVE THE ROAD OR IS THERE, UH, THROUGH TRAFFIC OR IT'S NOT A THROUGH TRAFFIC.
IT'S A ROAD THAT RUNS OFF IN AND DEAD ENDS ABOUT A HALF A MILE DOWN THERE.
SO, UH, ARE YOU THINKING THAT THAT'S NOT A, A PUBLIC PURPOSE, SIR, BY THIS DEDICATION? IT, IT MIGHT BE.
I MEAN, I I UNDERSTAND IT HELPS THEM.
DOES IT HELP THE TRAVELING PUBLIC? YEAH.
AND AND OTHERS TO, TO MAKE THIS A COUNTY ROAD, THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF PUBLIC TRAFFIC ON THAT.
UH, US TAKING OVER THE ROAD AND TAKING CARE OF IT.
WE'LL MAKE, WE'LL ENSURE THAT THEY CAN GET FIRE PROTECTION BACK THERE WHEN THEY NEED IT.
THAT THEY CAN GET AMBULANCE AND SAFETY PROTECTION BACK THERE WHEN THEY NEED IT.
UH, ARE ARE FOLKS HERE FROM THE, THE HIP PROPERTY DID YOU SAY? DID YOU SAY THERE WERE PEOPLE HERE? YES, WE ARE.
YEAH, THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE HERE PROPERTY.
THEY ENJOY COMING TO THE MISSION COURT.
YOU KNOW, MAY MAYBE IF THEY, UH, PRESENT THOSE THINGS, THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL IN OKAY.
IN EXPLAINING THE PUBLIC PURPOSES.
I'M SIMPLY SAYING IF, IF THEY, AS THE OWNERS EXPRESSED THAT OKAY.
THAT WOULD BE, COULD SHE SPEAK TO THE COURT? YEAH, I THINK IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD, THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO WE, MY NAME IS ROSEANNE HARROW AND, UH, YOU'LL COME OVER TO THE MICROPHONE HERE.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.
I LIVED THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY, THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN IN MY, THE ROAD OR THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR YEARS.
AND, UH, NOW WE ARE VERY CONCERNED.
THERE'S MORE FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON THE ROAD NOW.
THERE'S FOUR, FOUR FAMILIES I BELIEVE.
AND WE ARE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE TRUCKS GETTING DOWN THE ROAD, UM, AMBULANCES GETTING DOWN THE ROAD AND WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE EQUIPMENT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD.
AND SINCE WE ARE TAXPAYERS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WOULD REALLY LIKE, LIKE IT'S NOT A VERY LONG ROAD, BUT IT'S JUST WE HAVE CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, AND WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SURE THAT WE CAN GET, HAVE PROTECTION FOR FIRE AND SAFETY.
ARE ARE, ARE EMERGENCY SERVICES RESTRICTED NOW? IS IT DIFFICULT FOR UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.
I ABSOLUTELY, I THINK IT'D BE CLOSE TO POSSIBLE.
THE, LIKE WHEN WE HAD THIS LAST RAIN FOR AN EMERGENT FOR A, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, THERE WAS A TRUCK THAT GOT STUCK ON IT TO DO, UH, A FEDEX TRUCK GOT STUCK JUST THIS PAST FRIDAY.
JOHN MARTIN HAS EXACERBATED THIS PROBLEM BEING FURTHER.
THAT THERE WAS ONE STRONG INDIVIDUAL THAT, UH, TOOK CARE OF THIS ROAD, UH, BLADED IT DID
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EVERYTHING THAT WAS NECESSARY TO KEEP IT OPEN.AND HE IS, HE MOVED, PASSED ON OR WHATEVER.
ANYWAY, HE'S NOT IN THE PICTURE ANYMORE AND THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE THAT'S ABLE TO DO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO DO.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UH, A HARDTOP ROAD OR ANYTHING.
AND SOMETIMES WHEN THE WEATHER GETS REALLY BAD IN THE WINTER AND THE WATER WASHES THROUGH IT, IT'S, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET UP AND DOWN IT.
SO TO ME IT JUST SEEMED LIKE FOR THE SAFETY AND FOR THE, UH, THE FIRE PROBLEMS AND ALL OF THAT, IT'D JUST BE SIMPLE FOR ME TO TAKE IT OVER.
UH, I MEAN WE CAN GO AND TALK, TAKE IT OVER TOMORROW AND START WORKING ON IT, BUT THE, THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF IT, AS YOU KNOW, ARE A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
AND, AND, UH, I, AND I THINK YOU HAD TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT TO, UH, THE RESIDENTS CONTRIBUTE TO PAY FOR SOME INITIAL ORDER.
YEAH, THE ONLY LEGAL THING THAT I SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ARE THE EASEMENTS FOR EACH ONE OF THE PEOPLE TO SIGN, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE US A RIGHT OF WAY ON THE ROAD.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING CONTRIBUTION FROM, UH, FROM THE INDIVIDUALS? PARDON ME? LET SEE.
WOULD THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE INDIVIDUALS BE PART OF THE BE A REQUIREMENT OR NOT? I'VE GOT TWO ROAD OVER THERE FOLLOWING THE SAME CATEGORY, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE MECHANISM ON HOW WE DO THAT LEGALLY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT THE COURT CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION.
I I MEAN IF, IF, IF, IF PART OF WHAT IF, IF THE COURT IS NOT ANTICIPATING ANY WORK, THEN IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A NON-ISSUE.
BUT IF YOU'RE ANTICIPATING WORKING PART OF THE, UM, INDUCEMENT IS THEY'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR
SO I HAVE A GRIEVANCE FROM, FROM, FROM THE, UH, THE PEOPLE THERE AS TO HOW THEY'LL PAY IT OUT.
I'M IS IT FROM ALL THE LANDOWNERS? IS IT FROM ALL THE LANDOWNERS YEAH.
UH, WHAT MY QUESTION IS TODAY IS IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THIS TODAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE? AND DO YOU HAVE TO DRAW UP THOSE EASEMENTS OR IS IT A STANDARD FORM THAT WE CAN, THAT I CAN GET TO GET THEM? THEY WOULD SIGN 'EM.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE OR WHAT I, I I CAN DO THAT.
MY, MY CONCERN AFTER I HAD LOOKED AT WAS JUST SATISFYING THE PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND, AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT AS SHE ARTICULATED YEAH.
ABOUT THE SAFETY EMERGENCY IN YOUR MIND, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO PASS THIS TODAY OR DO WE STILL NEED TO TO PUT IT OFF UNTIL NEXT, NEXT MEETING? I, I, I THINK YOU CAN PASS IT AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT CONDITIONED ON THE, THE AGREEMENT TO PAY FOR WHATEVER IS GOING TO INITIALLY DONE THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND I WOULD NEED TO GET SOMETHING FOR THAT UNDER, SO I'M SURE THEY'LL AGREE TO WHATEVER.
WELL, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL SEE HOW THE COURT FEELS ABOUT THAT, THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU LEGAL.
UH, JOHN, WOULD WE HAVE TO, UH, TO BRING THE RULES UP TO COUNTY CODE? OKAY.
WE, WE HAVE TO BRING UP COUNTY CODE.
DO WE HAVE, CAN WE ACCEPT 'EM? YES.
AND AT SOME POINT THEY DO HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT INITIAL WORK WILL HELP HER.
AND I GUESS THAT'S A BUDGET CONSIDERATION FOR THE COMMISSIONER OF, IF YOU REMEMBER THE PROBLEM WITH THIS WAS WE, WE FINALLY DETERMINED OR WE THINK THAT THIS IS NOT A SUBDIVISION, SO IT DOESN'T COME UNDER THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
IT'S JUST A ROAD OUT IN THE COUNTY.
SO WE'RE, I'M JUST TAKING IT OVER.
I'M JUST TRYING TO TAKE IT OVER JUST LIKE IT IS.
WE'LL CONTINUE IT TO BE A ROCK ROAD.
I I I WORKED ON THAT ASSUMPTION TOO, BUT IT WAS NOT WORTH THE SUBDIVISION.
ARE ALL THE PARCELS BIGGER THAN 10 ACRES? UH, ARE ALL OF THOSE BIGGER THAN 10 ACRES? THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, I KNOW YOURS IS, MINE IS YOU'RE RUSSELL AND MINE IS RIGHT AT 10 ACRES.
I DON'T KNOW IF ALL, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE DEFINITION OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD NOT AND IF THEY'RE 10 ACRES OR GREATER, THEN CLASS'S NOT REQUIRED.
OR IT COULD BE FIVE ACRES IF THERE'S SOMEBODY'S ETJ.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ETJ OUT THERE.
UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT TODAY IS I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO IF, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I TRY TO MAKE THIS MOTION? YEAH.
ANYBODY ASK QUESTIONS? JURY? YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THIS
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FOR THE CONDITIONS THAT JOHN WOULD DRAW UP, THE EASEMENTS NECESSARY FOR THIS.WE HAVE THE PLAN AND UH, AND ALSO I WOULD'VE DRAWN UP THE, UH, THE PAYMENT PLANS AT THE SAME TIME WITH THOSE TWO CONDITIONS EASEMENTS TO COME LATER AND THE PAYMENT PLAN TO COME LATER.
JOHN, YOU, IS THAT A MOTION YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH? I, I I DO.
I I DID NOT KNOW AND I, I APPRECIATE THE WOMAN EXPLAINING THE PUBLIC PURPOSE.
RE REGARDING THAT BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT IT'S JUST TO MAKE IT A, A, A MORE ATTRACTIVE OR MORE USED.
ALL WE WANT TO DO IS JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL FOR WHAT WE'RE COMING FOR.
SO YOU HAVE A COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER ROBS MOTION ON THE TABLE DEALING WITH, UH, KAUFMAN, UH, BEDRICK LANE ON COUNTY ROAD IN COFFMAN COUNTY PRECINCT ONE.
UH, YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM COMMISSIONER RADDEN? DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.
THE MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
WHICH MEANS WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE WORK TO DO AND, UH, WE WILL COMMISSIONER ROWDEN AND, UM, MR. LONG WILL WORK THROUGH THAT AND, UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING IT DONE AND, AND GETTING IT DONE IN A, IN A, UH, IN THE APPROPRIATE MANNER I THINK IS WHERE WE'RE ON THIS.
ALL MY GOOD IDEAS NOT LEGAL, A LOT OF LEGAL STUFF THAT, UH, I, I, I TOLD THEM THERE WOULD BE A LEGAL PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH, UH, BECAUSE OF MANY THINGS.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 22 TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A BID FOR RESALE OF CAUSE.
NUMBER 7 4 2 8 2 DASH EIGHT DASH EIGHT SIX PID 28 0 0 8 8 LOCATED AT 1 0 7 CIRCLE DRIVE IN COLTON COUNTY PRECINCT.
ONE THAT'S OVER CIRCLE DRIVE THE HOUSE BURNED DOWN AND I THINK IT'S JUST TO MAKE A LOT OF TIME, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION THERE FROM UH, MR. MURPHY AND ALSO FROM COMMISSIONER.
CAN YOU GIMME THE FIRST AND SECOND? PARDON? I MISSED THE FIRST SECOND ON ITEM.
OH, SORRY, WHICH ONE? THE BIT WE GOT THERE YET.
YEAH, SO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT CIRCLE DRIVE? IS IT THE CITY WOULD SINCE IT IS OKAY WITH IT AND UH, GET 3,400 BUCKS FROM IT.
WE CAN GET FROM THAT OVER THERE.
COMMISSIONER ROWDEN MAKES THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND THAT ADAM, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE, WHICH IT WON'T BE NEXT YEAR.
WE, UH, MOVING $4,000 FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR INTO EQUIPMENT COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE IN CASE OFFICE SUPPLIES 1200 REDUCTION TO OPERATING EXPENSES.
THERE IS A PRO RATA EXPENSE IN THE FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE JUDICIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN DALLAS.
THEY SEND OUT A BILL EVERY YEAR FOR OUR PORTION OF THE JUDICIAL DISTRICT TO MOVE ADDITIONAL 1030 $1 IN THERE OUT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
INCREASED BONDS $170 FROM OFFICE SUPPLIES.
JP TWO IF YOU MAY RECALL, WE, WE WENT THREE MONTHS WITH TWO OF 'EM.
SO WE ARE NOW, UH, I GUESS BALANCING THEIR BUDGET TO COVER THAT, THAT THREE MONTH PERIOD.
WE NEED TO INCREASE SALARIES FOR JP 14,100 CAR ALLOWANCE.
25 50 MILEAGE MILLS LODGING 600 TRAINING EDUCATION CONFERENCE TWO 50 AND WE'RE MOVING THAT OUT OF HEALTH INSURANCE.
PEST CONTROL FROM THE LIBRARY.
$25 OUT OF GENERAL PEST CONTROL.
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CONSTABLE PRECINCT TWO PARKS AND REPAIRS.$400 BOND, 71 OUT UNIFORMS AND MISCELLANEOUS SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT INCREASED LEGAL ADS.
500 ALABAMA EXPENSES HIGHWAY PATROL INCREASED $400 OUTTA COMPUTER COST IN CHARITY'S FOREIGN RELIEF AND OUR INDIGENT DEFENSE.
UH, REMOVING 15,000 FROM COMMIT FROM UH, COUNTY COURT LAW JUVENILE INTO THE 422ND DISTRICT COURT.
CHILDREN'S SHELTER, WHICH IS NOT COUNTY MONEY.
THREE 50 PERSONAL CARE SUPPLIES.
ONE 50 OUT OF OFFICE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT ROAD JUDGE PRECINCT ONE I PRE ANNUAL CLEANUP.
5,000 AND RENTAL EQUIPMENT ROAD BRIDGE PRECINCT THREE, INCREASE ANNUAL CLEANUP, 12,000 OUTTA LOAD MATERIALS.
THERE'S A REGIONAL GRANT, UH, JUST TO KIND OF BALANCE IT, THEY NEED TO MOVE $250 FROM EXTRA HELP, SOCIAL SECURITY AND LONE STAR LIBRARIES.
INCREASE TRAINING EDUCATION CONFERENCE 300 OUT OF WILAS.
OKAY, I HAVE THIS INFORMATION FROM OUR AUDITOR.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? NO MA'AM.
COMMISSIONER MAKES THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER JACKSON, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED ITEM NUMBER 24 TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON CLAIM FOR? YES SIR.
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YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE A FAIR ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAVE TO WRITE IT IN SUCH A WAY WE WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT SATURDAY.SOME PEOPLE I THINK THAT JUST SEVEN I KIND ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY.
WHAT Y'ALL SAY COST A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD FACILITY? WE WANT, WE WANT, SO WE WANT, WE WANT SELL THAT $70 A YEAR TO THEM.
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KEEP THOSE INVOICES.THE AREA THIS YEAR HIT CHANGE.
YOU MIGHT THAT MUCH MORE STUFF THAN YOU.
YOU SAID YOU GONNA KEEP TWO TRUCKS.
I THINKING I BETTER HANG ON MY TWO BECAUSE YOU MADE NEED ONE.
WHAT DO THEY DO? WHAT DO THEY DO? SCAN SAFEGUARD SOLUTIONS.
WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY'RE MY INDEXING COMPANY.
THEY DO IMAGING AND INDEXING AND BREAKFAST.
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IT WOULDN'T BIGGER THAT BAR SOMEWHERE IN THERE.SO YOU THREW SOMETHING RIGHT THERE.
WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED THE MANUAL CHECK SIDE.
IT CAN JUST GO THROUGH ON THE REGULAR, AN EMERGENCY MUST THE WORK THAT THEY DO, UH, SPECIAL COURT.
IS THAT BY THE DAY OR SOMETHING? THESE INVOICES ARE SEQUENTIAL.
ACTUALLY THEY'RE TWO ON THE SAME DAY.
SO THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE DAY OR TWO BEFORE.
IS THIS ALL THIS IS WHERE THE, THE ONE GIRL HAS TO TAKE A BUNCH OF STUFF OFF AND DO IT OVERNIGHT BECAUSE OH, OKAY.
NO, BUT I MEAN WE HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME IN AND FILL THAT FOR HER BECAUSE SHE'S AT HOME.
SHE'S GETTING PAID TIME AND A HALF FOR BEING AT HOME DOING IT.
DID YOU GET IT READY? LOT OF FARTS.
I I'M GONNA HAVE ONE DAY BUT I DON'T THINK GONNA REASON TO IT.
HOW MANY TRUCKS YOU WANT? DON'T NEED NO MORE.
I GOT A DET AT THE DOUBLE CAR OUT THOUGH.
HARDLY PARTY THAT PUTS UP BE DELICIOUS.
HOW OLD IS THAT SERVICE TRUCK? Y'ALL GOT THAT THERE? OH, THEY JUST HAD IT BACK SIX, SEVEN YEARS.
WELL Y'ALL ONLY HAD SIX, SEVEN YEARS.
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YEAH.YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THE UH, RUNAROUND TRUCK? YEAH.
IT'S OLDER THAN IT'S GOT 10 WHIS ON IT DOWN HERE, UP SOMETHING.
HE'S, HE'D RATHER WELL I HE'D RATHER DO IT.
I CAN'T, THIS IS, THEY'LL GET THE PAT ON BACK AND SAY WHAT DID WE DO TO HELP? WHAT DETAILS THEY WON'T GET WHERE YOU BILL PROBABLY COME IN, THEY GIVE YOU A SHOT BACK HERE.
ABUSE THE, THEY PUT ME ON A SERIES OF EXERCISES.
GEORGE SIR? UH, UNDER RISE OF AIR COURT.
HOW COULD YOU GET IT FOR $38 49? YOU GOT A BETTER BILL? I DO.
HOW CAN BE PUT BY OVER? SO I SAY WE HAVE A FLAT RATE.
UNLESS YOU HAVE OUTSIDE CONTRACT.
DO WE HAVE BEER CARDS OUTSIDE OF, HAVE I MINE STILL LIKE 49.
VERIZON, YOU STILL HAVE SPRING CARD? YEAH, YOUR LAPTOP.
OH, SORRY, THAT'S WRONG ONE BY THE WAY.
IS THERE, IS THERE A SECOND ONE IN THERE FOR THE AIR CORD? IS THAT ON YOUR YEAH, IT SHOULD
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FOR NO, BECAUSE WE HAD AT FOR THE SHERIFF, I CAN'T FIND IT.IT NEED JUST CAME BACK FROM NORTH DAKOTA YESTERDAY.
SO, UH, MY GRAND, SHE'S IN COLORADO.
SHE SAID IT WAS 38 DEGREES, 1 39, 8 DEGREES HERE.
BUT YOU HAD TO HAVE A JACKET GO OUT.
IT WAS, WE WENT UP THERE FOR A YEAH, WERE WERE YOU VIOLATED
THE LONG WAY UP THERE THOUGH, TO FLY TO MINNEAPOLIS, THEN YOU HAD TO FLY TO FARGO, A LITTLE BEACH TOWN THEN YOU HAD AND BY PLACE I'M GOING TO NEW YORK STATE MONTH.
SO WHERE NEW YORK STATE MAKE THE HOT SAUCE IN IT.
UPSTATE MOVED MY MOTHER TO ROCHESTER.
MY, THAT'S BEST FAR NORTH AS WE WERE THEN.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE FAR HOW FAR FARGO IS FROM THE CANADIAN SEATTLE.
THERE WASN'T ANY FLOODING THERE THOUGH.
YOU COULD SEE WATER HERE AND THERE, BUT THERE WASN'T ANY FLOODING.
COMMERCIAL IS NOT COMMERCIAL TRUCKS EXCEEDING.
IF THAT DOESN'T STOP TRINITY FROM GOING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND NOW.
SO THEY WERE GOING ON ROADS THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO CALL.
THEN YOU START DIGGING OUT THERE.
THOSE DRUGS I HAD, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO GET THOSE SIGNS DONE PRETTY QUICK.
CAN YOU KNOW? YEAH, WE JUST CALL, UH, DANNY, DANNY OUT THERE.
YOU NEED TO TELL HER EXACTLY WHAT TO PUT ON BOAT.
THAT'S YOU PUT SINCE IT'S ALREADY THE WELL, IT KIND OF CUTS OUT QUESTION.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TELL HIM THE SAME THING.
WELL IF YOU PUT NO COMMERCIAL ON THAT DEAL, HUH? NO, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY TO MAKE DELIVER IN.
NO COMMERCIAL, NO TRAFFIC, NO THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC EXCEEDING 26,000.
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COMMERCIAL ON THERE BECAUSE HOW ABOUT A FARMER LAW? I A PERMIT PERMIT WE CAN FILE ONE OF.YEAH, I THINK WE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION THOUGH.
IT'S NOT, YOU CAN GET A 12 MONTH PERMIT FOR 50 THAT NO COMMERCIAL PERMIT.
SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE YOU GOTTA, THEY HAVE TO GET THAT COMMERCIAL.
WELL THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC.
YOU DON'T THAT'S THAT GUY WAS DELIVERING THAT STUFF GOING GO THE SAME PLACE EVERY DAY AND GO THE OTHER WAY.
IT'S NOT GONNA STOP THOSE HUNDRED 50 TRUCKS.
EIGHT DOESN'T COMMERCIAL GUY TO GET THOSE SCALES IN.
I PROBABLY SHOULD DONE IT THE NEXT DONE LATER.
THAT'S THE WE JUST NEED TO, WE TO COME UP.
Y'ALL NEED TO COME UP WITH THE WORDING FOR THOSE SIGNS, EVERYBODY.
CAN Y'ALL KIND OF GET TOGETHER ON THAT BACK? I THINK BE CONSISTENT.
WE NEED TO HAVE I SEND MY RECOMMENDATION, DANNY TO THANK SEAL THE RESOLUTION TO DO THE VIETNAM MILITARY COURT.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON AND A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER ROUTE TO, UH, PAY THE FIELD.
ALL IN FAVOR? SAY I A THOSE OPPOSED NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
COMMISSIONER MANNY MAKES A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
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YOU EVER SEE PAULA ANYMORE? ACTUALLY, I LEFT WITH HER LAST WEEK.I JUST HADN'T SEEN HER OVER HERE IN A WHILE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WAS STILL OVER.
NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT FROM THE TILE COMPANY.
THEY MOVED TO CAROL AND, UH, SHE, SHE'S BEEN SAYING THAT SHE KNEW THAT, THAT THEY WERE JUST WANTING HER TO GET THE PLANT AND STUFF TOGETHER AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT SHE WASN'T HAPPY WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY, THE WORK WAS PRODUCTION DONE FAST JUST TO GET THE CALLS OUT.
AND THAT'S NOT EVER HOW WE WORK.
ESPECIALLY WHEN I WORKED WITH HER.
WE, WE WEREN'T OKAY WITH THE CALL.
WE WEREN'T GONNA LET IT GO OFF DESK.
DID THEY, DID THEY THEY GET A NEW OWNER OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, JEAN TOLD THEM, TOLD JACKSON TILES, EAST TEXAS TILES.
AND SO WHAT IS SHE DOING NEXT? IS SHE, WELL, I, I KNEW I HADN'T SEEN HER IN HERE IN A WHILE.
I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND HOW LONG SHE BEEN THERE, KNOW SHE'D BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I WORKED WITH.