* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:01:03] ALL GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. THIS, BY THE WAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAP ON THIS, UH, MICROPHONE, WE HAVE MOVED INTO THE ELECTRONIC AGE. THIS IS OUR GAP. HEAR THAT, THAT'S LITTLE AND WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THIS. THE, UH, MONDAY, JANUARY 23RD, 2012 EDITION OF THE, UH, KAMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER MANNING, I FORGOT TO ASK YOU, WILL YOU BE THAT? AND WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, UH, BOTH FLAGS, AND WE HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET, UH, BACKED BY, UH, WHERE MR. MURPHY, WHERE THE SHERIFF IS ON THAT, UH, SEE THE SHERIFF'S HAT THERE? THAT'S WHERE THE SIGN IN SHEET IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE REPORT AT BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING. AND, UH, IF ANYBODY'S HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UH, HEAR FROM YOU. SO IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME NOW AND STAND AS WE HAVE A PRAYER IN OUR, UH, ALLEGIANCE. LET PRAY. MOST GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. THANK YOU FOR THE WE'VE BEEN HAVING. LORD, LOOK DOWN UPON US. GIVE US THE STRENGTH TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY. DO GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE. PROTECT THOSE LORD WHO ARE OVERSEAS AND, UH, DEFENDING OUR FREEDOMS. WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU BRING THEM HOME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU COULD SEE FIT, LORD, SEND US A LITTLE RAIN AND KEEP US ALL SAFE. AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. I PRAY ALLEGIANCE TO ACT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE, HE LEADS TO SPEED. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE IN INDIVIDUAL, NO SIGN. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS SPECIAL GUEST TODAY WITH US. UH, THAT IS JACK LOMAX CHOP, I'M SORRY, LOMAX FROM THE CITY OF CORN. HE'S ON THE KAMAN COUNTY LEADERSHIP, UH, COUNCIL GROUP THIS TIME AND THROUGH ALL THE EVENTS THAT THAT, UH, GROUP DOES, AND HE'S BUSY WITH US'. GLAD TO HAVE YOU. THANK YOU FOR HERE. I KNOW YOU GLAD ACTIVE ROLE IN MORNING WITH THE EDC AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS OVER THERE, SO WE'RE JUST GLAD TO HAVE IT. THANK YOU, TAYLOR. WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO, UH, SPEAK TO US THIS MORNING. I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO HAVE AN ITEM OF ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE I PUT ON THE DESK AND I DUNNO THAT THE GOT THE PRESS. I THINK THERE'S SOME OVER, UH, ON THE TABLE THERE. THERE WILL BE A HEARING, UH, NEXT TUESDAY, THE 31ST ON, UH, THE TDO IS HAZARD ON THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO 48, UH, AND FIVE 57TH TO INTERSTATE 20 IN KAMAN COUNTY. UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, AT, UH, THE CITY OF CARROLL'S SERVICE CENTER TRAINING ROOM FROM, UH, SIX TO 7:00 PM ACTUALLY, THEY'LL HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE FROM SIX TO SEVEN, THEN THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. ANY ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THAT? THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT HOPE UNDERWAY SOON, I THINK IN THE CITY OF CAROL. NEXT ITEM, UH, WOULD BE OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UM, ITEMS ON THAT YOU SEND AGENDA THIS TIME. UH, SOME OF YOU HAVE, UH, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, UH, ITEMS ON THERE. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO HAVE ANYTHING PULLED OFF OR ANY DISCUSSION OF THOSE BEFORE WE VOTE ON [00:05:12] MR. TTY, BUT ALSO WE HAVE ANOTHER, BUT MR. CHECHE, OKAY, ANY OTHER ACCEPT AGENDA? WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER TO ACCEPT THE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A THOSE OPPOSED ITEM NUMBER THREE, AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S FRONT CENTER. ITEM THREE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE TEXAS INDIGENT DEFENSE COMMISSION FORMULA OF THE GRANT. ANDREW, WHY DON'T YOU COME FORWARD? I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION. THIS IS OUR, UH, CONTINUING GRANT I THAT WE GET EACH YEAR. YOU BRING EVERYBODY. WELL, IT'S, UH, IRONICALLY NONE OF THIS MONEY GOES THROUGH MY OFFICE. THIS IS A SEPARATE DEAL. THE JUDGE WOULD ASK ME TO COME VISIT ME, I GUESS FOR MY DAYS IN NEWSPAPER BUSINESS. I CAN GIVE YOU SOME DEEP BACKGROUND, BUT, UH, UH, EVERY YEAR THAT WE, WE JUST CELEBRATED THE, SO SOMEBODY REMIND ME OF THAT. FRIDAY AT THE LAST CLUB, , CELEBRATE MAY BE THE WRONG WORD, WE JUST OBSERVED THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF WHAT WE REFER TO AS SENATE BILL SEVEN OR THE TEXAS, UH, INTO DEFENSE ACT, FAIR DEFENSE ACT. UH, YOU KNOW, THE GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED FOR A PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE HAS LONG BEEN CLOSED. WE'RE NO LONGER RECEIVING FUNDS. THAT'S TOTALLY ON THE COUNTY'S BUDGET AT THIS POINT. UH, BUT THEY DO HAVE A FORMULA GRANT. BASICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS EVERY COUNTY IN TEXAS GETS AT LEAST $5,000 OF THAT. THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE FUND IS DIVIDED BY WHAT WE REPRESENT AS A PROPORTION OF THE STATE'S OVERALL POPULATION. UM, I THINK KAMAN COUNTY IS ROUGHLY FOUR TENTHS OF 1% OF THE ENTIRE STATE POPULATION. SO THAT'S BEEN MULTIPLIED BY THE REMAINING BALANCE ON THE STATE BOOKS THAT MONEY, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WRITE YOU A CHECK FOR THAT AMOUNT. IT'S STILL CONTINGENT UPON THIS AVAILABILITY. YOU GUYS ARE WELL FAMILIAR WHAT'S GOING ON LAST SESSION. THE LEGISLATURE FOLKS MOVING SOME STUFF AROUND TO MAKE THE BUDGET BALANCE. IT COMES UP TO ABOUT $50,000, WHICH IS CIRCUIT BETTER TO POKE AN I. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WE GET ALL 50% OF THAT. THERE IS A MECHANISM, THE JUDGE, I BELIEVE NEEDS TO SIGN THE ACCEPTANCE FORM AND THAT NEEDS TO BE SENT OFF TO THE TASK FORCE, UH, DOWN IN OFFICE. SO AT LEAST WE OPEN THE DOOR TO RECEIVE SOMEWHERE ALL OF THAT MONEY. AND, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT GOES TO IS TO OFFSET, UH, COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY'S FEES PAID OUT FOR ADULT DEFENSE CLIENTS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO GET WHATEVER, HOPEFULLY WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME, SOME AMOUNT THE WAY, BUT THIS WILL SET US UP TO RECEIVE WHATEVER AMOUNTS AVAILABLE TO US. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL LET HIM HAND A MOTION TO, UH, UH, ACCEPT THE TEXAS ENGINE DEFENSE COMMISSION. THAT MOTION. SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. THANK MR. MANNING SECOND MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY NEXT ITEM IS TO DISCUSS OUR, HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM DICK MURPHY ON THE TAX COLLECTION REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, 2011. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. I MUST TELL YOU THE REPORT, OFFICIAL REPORT THAT YOU SOMEWHAT THIS TO THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE THAT YOU, OUR COMPUTER RECORDS COLLECTIONS AS OF THE DATE POSTED RATHER THAN THE EFFECTIVE DATE. SO WHEREAS IT SHOWS WE ONLY COLLECTED $10 MILLION THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, WHICH IS 34% COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, 48%. IF WE GO AHEAD TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE, WE HAVE SOMETHING OVER 50%, APPROXIMATELY 15 HOLIDAY SCHEDULE AND OUR COMPUTERS NOT BEING ABLE TO DO IT ON EFFECTIVE DAY. SO [00:10:01] RATE, UH, REALLY WE, WE'VE GOTTEN ABOUT 50% TAXES THROUGH DECEMBER 33RD. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOUR TAX SESSION? SOUNDS GOOD. DEPUTY, WE, WE ARE PLEASED. ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT HIS COURT. SO MAY HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. WE SECOND COMMISSIONER MANNING SECONDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ALL SAY AYE? NO. AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER MENTION TO NOW, REMINDED ME OF COURSE, JOHN LONG IS NOT HERE. OUR ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS US FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. JOHN HAD SURGERY LAST THURSDAY AND, AND, UH, WAS HAVING SURGERY AGAIN TODAY. SO, UH, HIS WIFE SENT US AN EMAIL WEEKEND, REMOVE THEM AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS TIME RIGHT NOW, JOHN IS NOT GONNA BE BACK WITH US FOR, FOR A FEW DAYS. WE DUNNO WHAT THAT MEANS YET, BUT WE'LL JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT. IS THIS PERTAINING TO HIS? YEAH. ALRIGHTY. UH, NUMBER FIVE. NUMBER FIVE IS HAL JONES THROUGH 10TH AND, UH, THE REPORT FOR DECEMBER, 2011. ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? UH, HAL, WE WILL KEEP THIS ON FILE IN OUR OFFICE. IF ANYBODY DOES. WELCOME TO COME BACK A MOTION FROM, UH, CLARK, YOUR NAME QUESTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I TOLD WHAT HE SAID. YOU NORMALLY, ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER SIX IS TO, UH, HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM JOHNNY COUNTRYMAN ON OUR REPORT MONTH DECEMBER, I'M SORRY, MONTH OF OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER NINE FOR JUST TO PARTICIPATE. HAVE, YEAH, I DID CELEBRATE MY BIRTHDAY SATURDAY THIS WEEK. JUDGE, SHE ALWAYS TALK VERY SLOWLY TO, UH, YOU'LL SEE HERE THE BALANCE, NOT VERY EITHER. DECEMBER IT'S NOT VERY HIGH. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT, THAT, THAT TEXAS COLLECTORS ALWAYS HAD IN THEIR SYSTEM. THAT WAS NOT OUR SYSTEM YET. WE ACTUALLY, SEVERAL WE INVESTING THROUGH THE NATIONAL TEXAS MONEY. OH, LIKE POINT HERE. WE'RE USING MONEY MOVING. IF WE HIT OUR TOO FAR, IT MESSES UP THEIR, UH, UNDERSTANDING. SAY HERE, IT MESSES UP. THEY DON'T HAVE THE COLLATERAL. WE PLENTY TIMES LAST YEAR IT WAS ABOUT $13 MILLION OUT A WEEK OR TWO, ABOUT NINE. DIG OUT SOON AS THEY OPEN UP AND BRING IT BACK IN. THAT WHY MONEY. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OUR TREASURER ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, NOT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT. CERTAINLY MR. JACKSON, UH, MAKES THAT MOTION. WE HAVE SECOND MR. MANNING SECONDS. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS THE QUARTER OF THE REPORT. OCTOBER THROUGH, UH, DECEMBER 11. BASICALLY, BASICALLY SAME, SAME SORT OF INFORMATION. MOTION TO ACCEPT MR. JACKSON CLARK. AND THEN FINALLY, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS TO PRESENT SECOND QUARTER INVESTMENT REPORT FOR OCTOBER THROUGH 2011. BASICALLY THE SAME INFORMATION FIRST REPORT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT. SO MAY MR. A MOTION WE SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ABANDONING ALL ROADS AND OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN OF ELMO, WEST OF, UH, FARM MARKET ROAD 27, 28, AND SOUTH OF HIGHWAY EIGHT. [00:15:01] MR. JACKSON AND I A A HERE WANTS TO, YOU WANT YEAH. WELL I I THINK YOU HAVE A SMALLER MAP IN YOUR VERSION. UH, HERE, AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS, THIS EVIDENT OF THIS MAP WAS PROBABLY, I DON'T THINK THE ROAD WERE MY INVESTIGATION. I TALKED TO PEOPLE BE AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. THEY SAID ROAD ON SIDE THE ROAD SINCE SINCE NEVER WAS ROAD THERE. WE NEVER MAINTAIN A COUNTY. I WAS FOUND WITH JOHN ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY WANTED ABANDONED. UH, I THINK JOHN WOULD'VE ALREADY UP YES. AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AGAIN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SITTING FIRE DEPARTMENT NOT BEING THERE. I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION COMMANDMENT. I DID TALK WITH, UH, MR. LONG, UH, LAST, UH, WEDNESDAY, THIRD TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY WENT OVER THIS SITUATION WITH HIM. HE HAD NO OBJECTION. SO, SO I SAID MAINTAIN, I GUESS FOR 10 YEARS. DID YOU SAY, HAD WE EVER MAINTAINED, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF AN OPEN PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. FIRST DEVELOPMENT WAS THE YELLOW VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN TERRY CROW HAS DEVELOPED THE CORNER OF 27 28 USA AND, UH, BUT THERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENED, UH, MR. CROW IS, IS ATTEMPTED TO SELL THAT PIECE, PIECE OF PROPERTY AND UH, AND THE ALLEYS AND ROADS ARE ALL RIGHT IN THE, THE MIDDLE OF THERE. THEY'VE NEVER, I MEAN IT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN DEVELOPED. AND PLUS THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN BEHIND THERE. THIS IS SPACE. SO IT'S, UH, LIKE, LIKE BOTH DID WE ABANDONED ALL ROAD ALLEY 27, 28. BUT THERE'S, I THINK, AND I'M SORRY I, THERE'S OF DOING THAT MAY BE SENT OUT. I DON'T THINK JUST WITHOUT, SINCE DON IS NOT HERE KIND. I REMEMBER SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT, THERE IS SOMETHING I'VE SEEN THAT, SO WE FOLLOW A LAW APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IN THOSE, UH, GOVERNMENT, THAT WHOLE THING. BUT YOUR MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE IT AS LONG AS IT APPROVED BY THE, SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALL THESE ALLEYS IN HERE. YEAH. SO ARE ALL THE REST OF THESE ALLEYS PRETTY MUCH JUST ON THIS SIDE, ARE THEY, ARE THEY USING THESE ALLEYS HERE? PRETTY MUCH, YEAH. THESE ARES JUST THIS ONE SECTION ON THIS SECOND. YOU NEED A SECOND FOR THAT. UH, HE, JUST SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. COMMISSIONER JACKSON TO ABANDON THE ALLEYS AND ROADS WEST 27 28 IN SOUTH OF USA ATTENDING APPROVAL BY THE, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AWARD BID OF NUMBER 12 DASH ONE ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS MATERIALS. GOOD MORNING. I BELIEVE YOU'LL HAVE A COPY. AS YOU'RE AWARE, STATUTE ALLOWS US ON ROAD MATERIAL TO ONE, TWO MULTIPLE VENDORS. UH, DEPENDING ON MILE QUALITY OF PRODUCT AVAILABILITY, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS ON THE, UH, ASPHALT PRODUCTS MIX AND THE MIX BID TO EIGHT PACK [00:20:01] TEXAS WITH THE ALTERNATE BID TO RK HALL ON THE WRAP MATERIAL. UH, PRIMARY WARD TO A BIG CITY CRUSH CONCRETE WITH A ALTERNATE, UH, SOUTHWEST CRUSH. ON PAGE TWO, THE UH, ONE INCH ROCK PRIMARY IS A BIG CITY WITH AN ALTERNATE, UH, CACTUS EXPRESS SHOULD WE DECIDE TO PICK UP . AND ON THE COURT, UH, FLEX BASE PRIMARY TO, UH, BIG CITY WITH ALTERNATE, UH, PRINT MATERIALS AND A, UH, I'M SORRY, SECONDARY WITH AN ALTERNATE TO ON THE THREE BY FIVE, UH, COMMEND PRIMARY BID TO, UH, SOUTHWEST CRUSHING WITH A, UH, SECONDARY BID OF CACTUS EXPRESS. AND THEN ON THE UH, THREE BY EIGHT ROCK PRIMARY BID WOULD BE TO TRINITY MATERIALS. ALSO, UH, ON THE, UH, OFF P GRAVE THAT WASN'T IN THE BID, BUT THE VENDOR DID THAT WE COULD, UH, AWARD THAT AS A . DECIDE TO, UH, BUY THE MATERIAL NEXT BID ON THREE INCH CONCRETE. RECOMMEND THE AWARD, PRIMARY LOAD, BIG CITY CRUSH CONCRETE. AND THEN ALSO, UH, TRINITY HAS A BID OF, UH, SCREENING. RECOMMEND ALTERNATE BID ON THAT, WELL RECOMMEND NO AWARD ON THE OIL ROAD OIL UNLESS YOU GET 'EM TO SEE A NEED FOR THAT COMMISSION. I REMOVE THAT FROM THE BID. NEXT TIME SAND BID A SECONDARY OF RKL AND HAVE AN ALTERNATE ON A ROAD SAND A SSM VERSION, ALTERNATE BID ON THAT TO UH, APAC. AND THEN THE LAST PAGE ON THE OVERLAY OF ROADS RECOMMEND, UH, MAKE A PRIMARY AWARD ONLY TO APAC, TEXAS FOR THE LABOR MATERIAL. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JACK? QUESTION HOW, HOW MUCH WE USED IN, UH, LAST YEAR AND DID NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR TOTAL? SO NOT I, WE 12 ONE RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE A MOTION WE ACCEPT BID AS PRESENTED BY THE, WE DISCUSS IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PROPOSAL OF COUNTY SURPLUS PROPERTY THROUGH THE RENE ONLINE AUCTIONEER SERVICES. I GUESS THAT'S HOW YOU PRONOUNCE GET SURPLUS EQUIPMENT HAS AS WELL. AND TIME FOR CLEANUP. UH, I, I WANTED TO, UH, SET THAT DATE FOR A CLOSING DATE OF, UH, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 29TH. I CAN RESERVE THE OPTION OF EXTENDING THAT IF I HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING THAT LOADED UP ON THEIR SIDE. IF THAT'S MY ATTENTION. START TAKING PICTURES OF OFF THIS WEEK, NEXT WEEK. I'M SHEET THE 29TH. UH, IF THEY CAN GET THAT ON THEIR WEBSITE, I BELIEVE THAT INCLUDES SOME OF THE MATERIAL HAD UPSTAIRS, I THINK MOST OF WHICH IS NOW BEEN MOVED. THE, WE HAVE SOUTH CAMPUS AND I'LL VISIT WITH THE PRECINCT, TAKE PICTURES, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL. NOW THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET RID OF THOSE THINGS. MIGHT HAVE BE, ARE YOU GONNA MAKE CONTACT WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL? WHAT I DO ON THE PRECINCT? WE [00:25:01] MAY TAKE PICTURES OF EQUIPMENT, BUT YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF YOU WANNA TRANSFER THAT. I CAN GUARANTEE WHAT I GOT. JUST WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TO GO. YEAH, PEOPLE WILL, I MEAN THEY'RE INTERESTED IN KIND OF, WELL, DID YOU MAKE A MOTION OR DID WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE THAT MOTION. MR. MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, I SECOND MR. JACKSON. SECOND. ALL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THAT'LL BE ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 29TH. FAVOR. THANK YOU. DISCUSS, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADVERTISING A BID FOR THE ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR OFFICE SUPPLIES. SEMI-TRUCK LOAD. IT, IT IS TIME TO PUT OUT THE GRID OF BID SUPPLIES. COMMEND THAT CLOSING ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 29TH AT 2:00 PM I ANSWER QUESTIONS OR FIRST ON THE I MOVE THE WE. SECOND. SECOND DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. UH, ITEM NUMBER 13 IS WE DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER ON NEGOTIATING AND ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WITH NADC. ARCHITECT, LC PROVIDE SERVICES TO RENOVATE THE COUNTY. AND YES, HILL REPRESENTING A C ARCHITECT COME UP AND TALK LIKE, SAY THANK KEN FOR YOU WORKED ON THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND WE DIDN'T MOVE, WE DIDN'T GET VERY FAR AT THAT TIME. WE MET WITH HIM AND ASKED HIM TO REDUCE THE SCOPE OF HIS RESPONSIBILITIES. WE CAN SAVE. WE HAD TO SAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE. UH, KEN, I THANK YOU FOR DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED YOU TODAY. THIS, THIS THING. I BELIEVE VERY GONNA HAPPEN. WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. I THINK EVERYBODY'S, WELL FIRST OF ALL, GOOD MORNING. I AM FOR THE RECORD KEN HILL AND THE ARCHITECTS, UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, AS RAY MENTIONED THAT UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE DID A STUDY OF DESTRUCTION, INTEGRITY OF THE UPSTAIRS AND IN THE OPINION OF THE ENGINEER OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE FOR THIS, UH, UPSTAIRS IS IN GOOD SHAPE, PARTICULARLY FOR A BUILDING OF THIS AGE. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS THAT CAN BE REMEDIATED. THERE WAS SOME MATTER WRITING ON THE EXTERIOR WALL. AND I WON'T GET INTO GREAT DETAIL, I'LL KEEP MY REMARKS BRIEF, BUT THERE'S ALSO A, HE IN THE FLOOR. BUT IN THE OPINION OF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AT THAT TIME, THOSE PROBLEMS CAN FAIRLY EASILY TO BE REMEDIATED BOTH IN TERMS OF EFFORT AND IN TERMS OF MONEY TO BE SPENT. SO, COULD I INTERRUPT YOU JUST A SECOND? AND I, THIS IS MORE THE MEDIA AND THE AUDIENCE, ANYTHING. THERE ARE RUMORS GOING AROUND THE COMMUNITY THAT THE UPSTAIRS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING IS NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SAFE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ENGINEERING FIRM HAS TOLD YOU ARE CORRECT. OKAY. JUST AGAIN, IT IS HOW MANY TONS OF PAPER PRODUCTS WE WERE, I MEAN, TRUCKLOAD, WE THAT TESTED THE INTEGRITY. IT HAD SOME WAREHOUSE WEIGHTS UP THERE. PROBABLY ABOUT 250 POUNDS PER SQUARE FOOT IS MORE THAN AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. SO, BUT THOSE RUMORS WERE WHAT TRIGGERED THIS WHOLE THING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE CALLED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE WE SAW THAT UP THERE. SO, AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT SHOULD BE USABLE. BUT WE HAD HEARD ALL OF THESE SAYING THAT FLOORS ARE ALL MESSED UP. I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP. SURE. ANY, ANY, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE. ASK. I'LL TELL YOU TOO THAT WITH OUR EXPERIENCE WITH HISTORICAL RESTORATION, THIS BUILDING HAS, UH, AT LEAST VISIBLY, UH, TO OBSERVE IT, IT HAS LESS PROBLEMS IN MANY BUILDINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN TERMS OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE EXTERIOR BRICK WALLS. THE BUILDING HAS WEATHERED FAIRLY WELL. THESE OBSERVATIONS ARE BOTH BY, AS I SAY, MYSELF AND AN ENGINEER, THEY ARE OBSERVATIONS THAT ARE, THEY'RE VISIBLE OBSERVATIONS. NOW, I'LL TELL YOU ALSO MOVING INTO THE PRESENT SCOPE OF WORK, UH, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THE THIS SCOPE WORK FOR THIS CONTRACT HAVING AN INSTRUCTION [00:30:01] ENGINEER INVOLVED ONCE AGAIN. AND WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT ANYWAY. BUT I'LL HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER INVOLVED TO AGAIN, EVALUATE THE BUILDING AT THIS TIME TO PROPOSE SOLUTIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR AND REPAIR THE ROT THAT, THAT WE OBSERVE BEFORE, AS WELL AS TO, UH, PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR THE EVENING OF THE FLOORS. SO A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WILL BE INVOLVED AGAIN, UH, IF ANYTHING HAS OCCURRED BETWEEN THEN AND NOW AND THE OPINION OF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, THEN THAT WILL BE BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO THIS PRESENT CONTRACT, UH, AND AGAIN I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, IS REALLY A TWO PART CONTRACT IN THAT, UH, IT'S A SINGLE CONTRACT, BUT OUR WORK IS IN TWO PARTS IN THAT INITIALLY WE WILL COMPLETELY MEASURE THE BUILDING, UH, AS NO, UH, EXISTING, EXISTING GROWINGS SEEM TO, TO BE THERE. WE HAVE NO EXISTING DRAWINGS TO WORK FROM. IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE BUILDING THROUGH THE YEARS. SO CHANCES ARE ANY DRAWINGS THAT EXISTED WOULD NOT BE UP TO DATE ANYWAY. SO THE FIRST PART OF OUR EFFORT WILL BE TO MEASURE THE UPSTAIRS, MEASURE THE DOWNSTAIRS TO RECORD THAT TO ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS, TO THE ELECTRONIC DRAWINGS THAT ARE COMMON IN OUR PROFESSIONAL ESTATE TIME. WE WILL THEN CERTAINLY PUT THOSE ON ARCHIVE WITH, UH, THE COUNTY SO THAT THEY CAN BE FOR FUTURE USE. THEN FOR THE SECOND PART OF OUR EFFORT, WE WILL USE THOSE BASE DRAWINGS THAT WE'VE CREATED ELECTRONICALLY TO PROVIDE THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE UPSTAIRS SO THAT THEY CAN BE NEGOTIATED. THEY CAN BE BID BY A, UH, CONTRACTOR OR WHAT WAY THE COUNTY DETERMINES TO PROCEED WITH THAT EFFORT. SO THOSE DRAWINGS WILL INDEED PROVIDE THE NECESSARY INFORMATION TO SUCCESSFULLY BID OR TO NEGOTIATE THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE SECOND LEVEL, UH, AT LEAST INCLUDING, UH, WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED OF AN ELEVATOR AND IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TOILETS, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED BY A DA. UH, SOME OF THOSE OF COURSE WILL INVOLVE THE GROUND FLOOR. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE MEASURING THE GROUND, UH, GROUND FLOOR AS WELL BECAUSE THE ELEVATOR HAS TO PENETRATE THE FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR CUT DOWN TO THE GROUND FLOOR INVOLVEMENTS THERE, THE STAIRS, THE STAIRS THE SAME WAY. SO THE BULK OF OUR IMPROVEMENT, UH, THE BULK OF OUR EFFORT INDEED IS ON THE SECOND LEVEL. UH, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME IMPINGEMENT ON THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL AS FAR AS NECESSARY CONSTRUCTION TO MEET THE ACCESSIBILITY GUIDELINES. HAVING SAID THAT, I CERTAINLY CAN, I'LL LET THAT BE AND I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS CERTAINLY THAT YOU HAVE. THERE'S A, KEN GOT SPECIALIZE IN THIS OLD BUILDING RENOVATION ON WAS HAVING THE VOICE ON ONE SIDE. IT WAS, IT WAS A LOT RUBBER SAFETY THAN WHAT THIS IS. I ABOUT IT. IT REALLY WAS. YEAH. MUCH, MUCH OF THE MORTAR WAS LEACHED. UH, ONE THING YOU RUN INTO IN OLDER BUILDINGS, UH, IS THAT THE MORTARS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TECHNIQUES BACK NOW, SO IT KIND OF TURNS INTO SAND. UH, BUT ANYWAY, THIS, THIS BUILDING IS, IS IN BASICALLY GREAT SHAPE FOR IT. WHAT WE ASKED HIM TO DO IS TO LEAVE THE, THE CORRIDOR OR THE HALLWAYS, UH, HISTORICALLY CORRECT, JUST LIKE OUR TALL CEILINGS WITH THE EXPOSED 10, THE TOP OF IT TRANSIT ON THE DOORS, UH, THE OFFICE ON BOTH SIDES LEFT TO RIGHT IN THAT HALLWAY. MORE LIKELY MORE MODERN TO HAVE DROP FOR AIR CONDITIONING PURPOSES AND ELECTRIC. AND I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE A TELEPHONE LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MIGHT HAVE COMPUTER WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. UH, SO THERE WILL BE A, YOU ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING A DROP CEILING IN NOT, NOT USING THE EXISTING THAT ANTIQUE IRON, SOME OF THE CEILING. WELL, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, WHAT WE ANTICIPATED DO, AS COMMISSIONER PARK SAID, I THINK BECAUSE THAT DROP CEILING DOES NOT EXIST IN THAT CENTRAL QUARTER, UH, IN THE PATH OF THE ECONOMY, UH, BUDGET, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THAT CENTRAL QUARTER AND BASICALLY TO RESTORE, I MEAN THE METAL CAN BE CLEANED AND PAINTED IN T SO THE QUARTER WOULD PROBABLY BE AS TRUE AS WE CAN TO THE PERIOD OF ARCHITECTURE THAT EXISTED. ON THE OTHER HAND, ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE QUARTER WHERE IT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN USED FOR OFFICES THAT ARE ALREADY DROPPED CEILINGS IN PLACE. WHILE WE WOULD LOVE TO DEMO THAT AND GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, BUDGET WOULD DICTATE THE, YOU KNOW, PRINCIPLE OF TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE BUDGET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND AS MUCH AS PRACTICAL WOULD, UH, INDICATE THAT WE NEED TO STICK WITH THOSE DROP CEILINGS, UH, AS HE SAID, THAT COULD BE USED TO CONCEAL EVEN THE NEW DUCT WORK THAT WILL BE NECESSARY TO CONDITION THAT QUARTER AND THAT HALLWAY. SO WE CAN KEEP THAT HIDDEN. SO BASICALLY IT'S AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A, A QUARTER THAT WOULD BE RESTORED AS CLOSE TO, TO [00:35:01] PERFECTION AS WE COULD AND STILL BE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE BUDGET. UH, SECONDARILY ON EACH SIDE, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THE DROP CEILING AND, AND UH, BRING DOWN THE HEIGHTS FOR THE OFFICE ENVIRONMENT. RIGHT. AND AS WELL TO CONSIDER ELECTRICAL AND SIGNAL WIRING AND THE DUCT WORK AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY. WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, WHERE THE, UH, I SUPPOSE THAT WAS IN ATRIUM AT ONE TIME UP THERE, IS THAT, IS THAT ALL SALE INTERNET WHERE ANY, ANY WORK THAT'S DONE IN THERE THAT'S NOT GONNA LEAVE? WE WOULD CERTAINLY, WE'VE GOT THAT IN THE CONTRACT TO EVALUATE THAT. UH, OBVIOUSLY ONE METHOD, AS SILLY AS IT MAY BE TO EVALUATE IT, WOULD BE TO BE HERE WHEN THERE IS A DRIVING RAIN OR FOR OURSELVES OR SOMEONE TO OBSERVE THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WEATHER TIGHT. IT'S NOT WEATHER TIGHT. CERTAINLY NEED TO BE. UH, BUT IF IT, I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF IT CAN BE SAVED, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO ATTEMPT TO SAVE IT AND DEFER AROUND IT. AND I AGREE. YEAH, LEAVE IT. WE WERE UP THERE SHORTLY AFTER IT HAD RAINED, UH, NOT LONG AGO AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY, NOT ANY, EVEN ANY LONG TERM EVIDENCE ON THE FLOOR. HOPEFULLY IT'D BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO RESTORE THAT AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I'M ABOUT TO FINISH ON THOSE, UH, THE EXISTING DOORS THAT ARE IN THERE, UH, WILL YOU BE PRESERVING AT FINISH OR WILL THAT BE STRIPPED AND REFINISHED? YEAH, THE WAY THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD APPROACH THAT WOULD BE TO DO A TEST SAMPLE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, TO, UH, TO DO A TEST SAMPLE INITIALLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WE CAN, WE CAN DO THE DRAWINGS, WE CAN WRITE THE SPECIFICATIONS TO GIVE US A, AN ALTERNATE. BUT WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO WOULD BE TO DO A, UH, HAVE THE CONTRACTOR DO A TEST SAMPLE TO SEE IF IT CAN SUCCESSFULLY BE STRIPPED AND RESTORED. UH, IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN WE CAN AT THAT TIME TAKE A DIFFERENT PATH. UH, MY INCLINATION TO BE UH, FRANKLY BE MY INCLINATION WOULD BE THAT IN OBSERVING THAT ALREADY, UH, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO ATTEMPT TO STRIP IT AND TO REFINISH IT BECAUSE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GOOD WOOD, GOOD DRAINAGE, GOOD WOOD DRAINAGE. I WAS JUST THINKING MIGHT JUST LAY I LIKE IT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE THE WAY IT'S ON THERE SO WE CAN I SAID THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A CHOICE THAT THE COURT MAKE WANNA DO. THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE ASK DO IT THAT WAY. SO NOT BE CUT DRY ON WHAT HE'S GONNA DO IT STRUCTURALLY CORRECT. HE'S GONNA GET PERMIT GIVES FOR A PERMIT WHETHER WE DECIDE TO RE IT, IT RESTRICT IT, PAINT IT GREEN OR WHATEVER. WE CAN DECIDE AT THAT TIME WHAT THE BUDGET ALLOWS. YEAH. IF WE WANT TO DO CERTAIN THINGS TO DO, IF WE KIND OF PICK, CHOOSE, BE OUT, DISCUSSION A WORKSHOP ON. YEAH, I WOULD, WE HAVE SEVERAL WORKSHOP. THE FIRST THING YOU TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IMPORTANT DIDN'T SEEMED LIKE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. THE FIRST MENTION ME WAS THE, THE MAPPING OF, OF THE FLOORS UP THERE. WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ROOM WE'VE GOT UNTIL WE GET IN, UNTIL WE GOT THAT. WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA TAKE SOME OFFICES MAYBE DIVIDED INTO HALS QUARTERS LEADING LIKE THEY ARE, WHO'S GONNA GO UP THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING I THINK CAN BE DECIDED AFTER HE GETS, YOU KNOW, THE FULL PLAN DONE. NO, THIS WILL GET US UNDERWAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING TO DO NOW FOR SOME TIME. BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY TROUBLE FILLING THAT UP. I DON'T WITH OFFICES. I MEAN IT'LL BE A CIRCUIT BE MAKE OUR ENTIRE COUNTY OPERATION OR EFFICIENT, BUT IT WILL ALSO MAKE IT A BETTER OPERATION FOR PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE COUNTY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. MOST OF THE BUSINESS THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONDUCT HERE ON, WE'LL STILL HAVE SOME AND THAT'S WHAT WILL WE CONTINUE TO DO WITH THAT SOUTH CAMPUS AS WE, UH, UTILIZE THIS, THIS BUILDING AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE ARMORY. SO, BUT THOSE, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO GET US ON THAT WAY. PLUS I THINK, JUDGE, IN ADDITION TO, UH, PROVIDING ALL OF THAT EXTRA, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE UP THERE, THAT WILL BE A REAL TREASURE TO THE CITY OF COUNTY OF NO POINT. THAT THAT'LL BE, THAT THAT WHOLE THING'S GOING BE UNBELIEVABLE WHEN KENT GETS THROUGH WITH THAT. I'VE SEEN HIS OFFICE, I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I DUNNO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFOREHAND, BUT HIS OFFICE. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, CONSIDERING ITEM NUMBER 13 AHEAD, COMMISSIONER, MAKE MOTION. SECOND, [00:40:01] SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. SAY ITEM 14 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER. YES, ITEM 13 MAINTENANCE REQUIRE. SO BELIEVE YOU, I PUT THAT ON. UH, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATION HAS GIVEN SOME MANDATE TO, UH, FOR SAFETY REASONS TO ASSESS ALL THEIR SIGNS. UH, BY, BY LAW WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS PLAN IN PLACE. UH, JANUARY OF 2012, WE GET CLOSE WHAT IT IS, UH, THE FIRST PART OF IS RED REFLECTIVITY ANALYSIS IS BASICALLY, CAN YOU SEE A STOP SIGN? CAN YOU SAY YOU'LL SIGN THAT YOU WITH THE IT SHOW UP OR DOES NOT SHOW UP? YOU HAVE TO ASK, YOU HAVE TO, UH, ASSESS EVERY SIGN IN THE COUNTY. UH, AND BESIDE THAT, THERE'S A REASON FOR DOING THAT. NO ONE FOR SAFETY. WE WANT YOU TO SOMEBODY SEE HIS STOP SIGN WHEN THEY PULL UP TO THE POINT WHERE IT DOES SHOW UP FOR SAFETY REASONS. THE SECOND THING IS, WE HAVEN'T ALL STOP SIGN UP THERE. IT DOESN'T MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. THE REQUIREMENT'S PRETTY LAX ACTUALLY. BUT IF WE DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, SOMEBODY RUNS THAT STOP SIGN AND GETS HURT, WE'LL BE LIABLE FOR EVIDENCE. THE COURT CASE RIGHT NOW, THE FIRST JUDGE ASKED FOR TAKE INTO EVIDENCE, THE STOP SIGN AND TAKE IT TO LAND, GET A CHECK, AND GET A CHECK FOR . WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD INCENTIVE. THERE'S A GOOD INCENTIVE MANDATED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PENALTY IS IF WE DON'T DO IT, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL FUNDS FOR SOMETHING ELSE. WILL THAT ASSESSMENT JUST BE UP TO THE, UH, JUDGMENT OF EACH COMMISSIONER? WELL, THERE'S NO, THEY, THEY JUST HAVE A BED. OKAY? THEY, THEY GIVE YOU FIVE METHODS TO DO YOUR SIGNS. THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, VISUAL NIGHTTIME INSPECTION ABOUT TRAIN PERSONNEL ACCESS, ASSESS TRAFFIC SIGNS WITH THE BOOT VEHICLE. THAT WAS SPECIFIC. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SET 60-YEAR-OLD EYES IN THAT VEHICLE AT NIGHTTIME TO BE ASSESS THE SIGN. 16-YEAR-OLD, HUH? 16-YEAR-OLD LIES. 16. OH 16. AT LEAST 60 BECAUSE 60-YEAR-OLD EYES ARE LIKE 40, 50% LESS. UH, SITEWISE AS A TEENAGER HAVE TO BE TRAINED. WHERE WE GET TO TRAIN PEOPLE, WE GET TRAINED THROUGH, UH, TES CAN COME BACK THERE AND TRAIN, MAKE YOU RIDE RIGHT AT THAT TIME. SOMEBODY HAS TO DRIVE, SOMEBODY HAS LOOK AT SIGN AND RANK, RANK IT ACCORDING TO THEIR TRAINING. AND THAT PERSON HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 60 TO DO THAT. THAT'S ONE WAY OF DOING IT. UH, TAPES WILL GIVE SOME TRAINING ON THAT. THEY'LL GIVE US LITTLE WORKSHOP WE'VE ALREADY HAD REFRESH ACTIVITY A LITTLE BIT. THAT IN IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE NOT WE, I BELIEVE THAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR REPLACING SIGNS, AVERAGE COST 150 PER SIGN, INCLUDING THE LABOR AND EVERYTHING, RIGHT? RIGHT. I SAID THIS, THIS NEW, UH, MANUAL OF UNIFORM TRANSPORTATION CONTROL DEVICES, WHICH IS MOUTH ON ITSELF. UH, ONE IN EFFECT, THIS, THIS WILL GO INTO JANUARY 12TH, 2012, FIRST CREATED PLAN AND BY 2015 WE HAVE TO ABLE LIGHTS WITH ALL OF OUR STOP SIGNS, SPEED SIGNS. 2018 YOU HAVE YOUR STREET SIGNS IDENTIFIED TO MEET THEIR, THEIR CODE. SO IT'S A LONG TERM EFFECT AND THEY'RE MAKING CHANGE TO THIS ALL ALONG. THEY ASK FOR TESTIMONY, UH, RIGHT NOW AS TO THE COST OF IT. 'CAUSE IT WAS KIND LIKE AN UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. AND I BELIEVE THE 35 MILLION NATIONWIDE TO DO. JUST TO DO THAT. BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, JERRY. THE THE NEXT THING IS YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN BUY, I'M WORKING ON BUYING MORE ALREADY OR PRICING OUT A RETRO REFLECT ON IT. REFLECT ON IT METER WHATEVER. IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE DEVICE THAT YOU GO OUT THERE IN THE DAYTIME. IT'S LIKE A SPOTLIGHT YOU PUT UP TO THE SIGN, HIT A LITTLE BUTTON ON IT, IT'LL MEASURE THE, THE REFLECTIVITY OF THE SIGN. UH, ONE [00:45:01] THING ABOUT THIS WAS INTERESTING IN THIS, IN THAT LITTLE METER THING IS THAT LAWSUIT, UH, GPS LOCATION OF THE SIGN, YOU CAN GO BACK AND PUT THAT INTO A COMPUTER. I THINK SOFTWARE IS INCLUDED. DON'T CHECK ON THAT . I'LL TELL WHAT SIGN IS AND SEND YOU A FLAG AS TO THIS TIME. IT WAS A 0.02 AND SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA EXPECT A LIE FOR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER. THEY'LL SEND THE FLAG BACK TO YOU IN FIVE YEARS. YOU GO CHECK STOP, SIGN NUMBER SUCH AND SUCH. THE WAY THEY DO THAT, PUT YOU BUY A BARCODE FOR SEVEN 17 CENTS PUT ON THE SIDE. SO EACH SIDE IS IDENTIFIED. SO YOU HIT YOUR BARCODE, IDENTIFY THE SIGN IS CORNER OF, YOU KNOW, 1641 HAMS TRAIL AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT PASSED THIS TIME. WE DON'T NEED LOOK AT THAT FOR SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS. THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER METHOD. IT'S A LITTLE MORE SCIENTIFIC. UH, BUT IT ALSO GIVES US THE INVENTORY OF THE SIGNS. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE AND START DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD LOOKING AT MY BACK, GONNA MISS SOME SIGNS, THAT'S GONNA BE A RATHER DIFFICULT THING TO DO. UH, THE THIRD METHOD IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE EXPECT TO SIGN LINE. SO, UH, THIS ONE YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE TIME FOR IT TO DO IT. YOU REPLACE IT. SOME SIGNS ARE GOOD. IT FOR 25, 26 YEARS, JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE SUN HITS IT. UH, WHETHER THE KIDS 20 TWOS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THEY NEED, ANOTHER METHOD IS YOU GO THERE, A BLANKET REPLACEMENT, JUST REPLACE ALL YOUR SIGNS FOR BRAND NEW ONES. THAT'D BE TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE. YEAH. AND TIME CONSUMING FOR US. I BET THE LAST METHOD IS THAT YOU GET SOME, THE ULTRA SIGNS, YOU CREATE A CONTROL ENVIRONMENT FORM WHERE YOU TAKE SIGNS, SIGNS DON'T SIGNS, BUT THE SAME AGE GROUP, YOU STILL HAVE TO KNOW HOW OLD SIGNS ARE, BUT YOU CHECK THOSE AT, UH, AT YOUR BARN OR WHATEVER. OKAY? WHEN THIS SIGN IS, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS OLD, IT IN PASS, YOU GO THE 10-YEAR-OLD SIGNS AND CHECK THOSE. SO YOU CHECK THEM PRETTY COMPLICATED. THE THE THING IS ABOUT NINE AND 10,000. UH, I'M LOOKING AT POSSIBLY RENTING ONE. NOT GONNA DO, BUT I GUESS TODAY WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE, WE KNOW THAT A PROBLEM, WE MIGHT HAVE A PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM. SO OUR PLAN IS GONNA BE, I'M GONNA SAY OUR PLAN IS GONNA BE TO GET A PLAN TOGETHER SINCE WE HAVE HAVE IT DONE THIS MONTH. YEAH. YOU TALKING ABOUT YEAR? NO, DO THIS TWICE A MONTH. YOU TALKING ABOUT USING ONE METER FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY? YEAH, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE 'EM ALL DONE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE ON HOW YOU WANT TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. WELL, BY, BY JANUARY THIS MONTH WE JUST DO THE PLANNING, BUT WELL, BECAUSE WE GET TRAINED AND UH, START OFF PUTTING EYES ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE SIGNS. 'CAUSE I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I'VE REPLACED SO MANY MY STOP SIGNS THIS YEAR, THIS PAST YEAR. I BET YOU I'VE GOT OVER 50% NEW STOP SIGNS. I SAID ABOUT 20. THE ACTUAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT 20% OF YOUR SIGNS WILL FAIL. YEAH. SO NOT ALL OF THEM ARE BAD OF THEM. ONLY APPLY TWO STOP SIGNS OR RIGHT NOW THE STOP SIGNS, I THINK IN 20 18, 20 15, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR SPEED LIMIT CELLS AND YOUR, UH, YOUR WARNING SIGNS, CURVES, WHAT SUCH AS THAT. SO TIMEFRAME AND COST ON THAT GUN THING. THAT'S GOING BE, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN BY, BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO BUY ONE. WE PLAN, WE PLAN ON EITHER, YOU KNOW, DOING IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAY. BUT, UH, THE COST FOR $10,000, WELL I SAY THERE'D BE SOME COST SAVINGS IN IT WOULD ALSO INVENTORY SIZE WHERE THEY'RE AT AND YOU TO DO THIS AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE DOING ON THE PLAN. JUST 'CAUSE IT PASSED THIS YEAR DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S GONNA PASS NEXT YEAR. AND JUST BECAUSE, UH, HE HAD JERRY RIDE WITH HIS 60-YEAR-OLD EYES GOING DOWN TO THERE NEXT, NEXT YEAR, YOU MAY HAVE A GUY, AN OLDER GUY, IF THERE IS SUCH A THING GOING DOWN , IT MAY OR MAY NOT PASS. SO I SAID WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE LITTLE SIGN, I'LL TRY TO SAY ON SIDE THING, THE METER THING, IT'S MORE SCIENTIFIC. YEAH, I AGREE. AND THEN YOU HAVE DO THIS AT NIGHT, SO YOU GOTTA PAY GUYS OVERTIME OR COMPACT. [00:50:02] SO, SO, SO ONCE WE GET THIS IN PLACE, WOULD SOMEONE COME OUT TO INSPECT FROM THE STATE? YOU COULD NOT DO NOTHING AND PROBABLY IN THEORY YOU WOULD BE COMBINED WITH LAW, BUT YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE IN TROUBLE UNTIL SOMEBODY GOT HURT AND THEY CHECK SOMETHING. WE SHOULD BE, AND WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUR SIGNS UP ON 12 FOOT POLES WITH NON BRIDGE SCREWS. AND I THINK KATHY CAN TELL YOU WE HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING THAT MANY SIGNS BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY DONE EVERY SIGN OF THE PRECINCT TOO. THEY DON'T GET POLE CONCRETE. THEY WILL, EVERY NOW AND THEN WE HAVE ONE PARTICULAR PLACE WHERE I GUESS IT'S FOUR GUY SOMETHING, ONE RIGHT THERE RUN OVER. BUT WE HAVE, WE, OUR THEFT PROBLEM IS GONE WAY DOWN. WHEN YOU GET UP, THEY CAN'T REACH PLUS THE CREW. AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS I HAD ABOUT UH, WHERE THE COUNTY SUPPOSED GO TO THE, UH, I HAD, I THINK HE SAID WAS 50 MILES AN HOUR ROAD AN BREAK. SO IN CASE ACCIDENT, I THINK MOST OF OUR COUNTY ROADS, WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY, MANY, WE DON'T AN WE GOT LOT, EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO 10 MILES AN BUT THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT MILES IN THERE AND READING THROUGH THIS THINGS ALSO THAT THERE'S, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THE REQUIREMENT AND I HOPE EVERYBODY'S GOOD. I'M TRYING TO DO IT IMPRESSIVE UPON MY GUYS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SAFETY DESK ON, ON ROAD HAVE TO, IT'S TO TAKE IT OFF AND NOT PUT BACK ON SAFETY. START TRYING TO NOT ENCOURAGE. WE NEED TO ENFORCE THAT. YEAH. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S DEGREES, IT'S NOT MUCH FUN. ANY EXTRA. WELL THEY GOT THE LITTLE ONES. WE HAVE SOMETHING WE PUT THREE OR FOUR STOP SIGN, STREET SIDE, THAT WHOLE THING. I KNOW ONE, JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW, WE HAVE HELD UP ON THREE BIDDING SIGNS BECAUSE OF THESE NEW LAWS. IT'S TIME TO BID REQUIREMENTS ARE AT, WELL AS FAR AS COMING UP WITH A PLAN SINCE I'D BE GLAD TO SERVE ON IT IF THERE WAS ONE OTHER PERSON OR WHATEVER. AND UH, AS OF THERE, OUR PLAN IS TO GET A PLAN TOGETHER. OKAY? WHAT I WAS GONNA DO IS WE'LL STILL APPROVE THE PLAN, BUT YEAH, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING PLACE BY JANUARY. WELL THIS IS GOOD INFORMATION FOR ALL MORNING. AND THE FACT THAT YOU TEACH IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, YOU'VE AGREED TO SERVE KIND OF AS CHAIRPERSON TODAY. YES. AND UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO MR. CLARK, UH, I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER MANNING, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT I SERVE ON THAT WITH HIM AND THAT WAY YOU TWO GUYS CAN GET TOGETHER, POSSIBLY GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER 14, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO ESTABLISH A PLAN. SO MAY AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION ALL ITEM NUMBER 15 AND CONSIDER REVIEW OF INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY OF THIS IS JUST A RENEWAL OF THE, UH, INTERLOCAL THAT I'VE HAD LAST YEAR. NOTHING. I MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND. JACKSON SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AND UH, TELL YOU WHAT, WE'VE GOT A TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK, TRY, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER LINE TRANSPORTATION. UH, AUDITOR. THANK YOU SIR. YES SIR. UNDER GENERAL AREA, WE HAD THE, UH, WHO WE BUDGETED THE EMPLOYEE INSURANCE. [00:55:01] WE DID NOT HAVE THE UH, UH, CONTRACT WITH IPS AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT THAT DID LOT OF THE CONSULTING WORK FOR AND IT'S STILL HELPING US OUT. SO WE'RE PROPOSING MOVING $30,000 OUT OF THE EMPLOYEE INSURANCE LINE INTO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE THEIR BILLS ON GO. SO IT'S DOESN'T ANYTHING TO THE BUDGET, IT'S JUST MOVING THE IPS COST PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OUT INSURANCE? YEAH, IT JUST IN DIFFERENT, UH, ON THE TREASURER'S OFFICE WE'RE INCREASING BONDS, $78 ION APPEALS AND LOGIC AND TAX COLLECTED. ADDITIONALLY IN THE COUNTY JUDGE JUDICIAL SUPPLEMENT, THERE WAS A TIMING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN WE GOT THE MONEY FROM THE STATE PAID MONEY. SO WE, WE NEED TO, WE'RE PROPOSING AMENDMENT TO, UH, INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR THIS JUDICIAL SUPPLEMENT BY 11,000. WE GOT THE FUNDS LAST YEAR, WE PAID THEM THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE COUNTY PROGRAM WE RECEIVED 5,025 FOR THAT BUDGETING FOR, FOR THE PROGRAM AND THE TECHNOLOGY SEPARATE FUND OUTSIDE OF GENERAL FUND, WE HAD TO CARRY OVER BALANCE OF 8,008 ESTABLISHING COMPUTERS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION? THE ON ITEM ION, I MAKES THAT MOTION. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL SEVEN TO AND THERE FOUR FEET CLOSER. [01:00:16] SO HE, SHE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT THAT SCHEME IS UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY TAKE NOTHING WRONG. YEAH THAT'S ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT 80% OF SOMEBODY CAN'T, SEEMED LIKE WHEN I WAS AT COURSE CAMPAIGN, LIKE ABOUT ONCE A YEAR THERE SOME SCAM LIKE THAT OR LEMME RUN TO THE BANK AND DO THIS OR YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STILL FALL FOR THAT. THEY DO SAME. THAT'S ME BECAUSE THEY STARTED TO DO IT ON CELL PHONE, POP MY CELL PHONE UP AND LOOKING JUST A NUMBER, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT ANYBODY IN MY LIST. AND THEN IT UNDERNEATH IT GIVES ME, OH THAT'S NOT, OH THAT'S TIMES SQUARE. IT'S A PICTURE RIGHT THERE. TIMES SQUARE. UH, BUT AND UNDERNEATH SAY LIKE SEATTLE, WASHINGTON OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY TELE THAT'S CALL BACK. I GOT AN EX-GIRLFRIEND ILLINOIS I BACK TO AND I'M ALL THE DO NOT NUMBER, BUT THEY DON'T CARE BECAUSE THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS BECAUSE, BECAUSE I LOOKED THIS UP ON THE INTERNET, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL OFFICE FOR THAT STATE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT NUMBER. YOU DON'T REALLY DO REALLY LEAVING ME ALONE. I DO HAVE AN IPAD WHEN SHE LOCK ME IN FOR A COUPLE YEARS PLUS. PLUS I GOT A FREE DECENT. YEAH, MIGHT MINE TOO FOR A LONG TIME. THE ONLY PLACE YOU GET AN IPHONE AND [01:05:01] ONLY CELL SERVICE USE IPHONE JUST RECENTLY STARTED LETTING VERIZON DO TOO. BUT UH, YEAH, USED TO BE SAW ANYBODY WITH IOSH LINES BECAUSE YOU KNOW, UH, MAC DID THE IPHONE, THE IPOD, THE IPAD, THE, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE I STANDS FOR. YOU HAD TO BE KIND OF A, A BRAND THING. WOULDN'T SURPRISE MY DAUGHTER IN. THAT'S WHAT IT EITHER, EITHER I'VE ORANGE NO, NO, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TELEPHONE. OUR CITY COUNCIL, ALL OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR, THE CITY PROVIDES IT. THEY'RE IN AN OFFICE AND UH, WHILE THEY'RE UP THERE THEY CAN SEE THE AGENDA, THEIR TABLET. AND THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE LINK, LIKE YOU CLICK ON A WEBPAGE, LIKE YOU'RE ON ITEM ONE. THERE'S A LITTLE LINK LINK. IT GOES TO THE SUPPORTING INFORMATION AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE THING AT TOP CLICK THAT GOES BACK TO THE AGENDA WHERE YOU WERE AT. AND THEY AND THEY GET EMAIL AND ALL THAT? YEAH, THEY DO A LAPTOP PARKING. NOW THEY'RE DOING AN IPAD. EVERYBODY SWITCHES TO IPADS OR, OR LITTLE TABLETS IF IT'S NOT AN IPAD CITY HERE USES IPADS, BUT THAT WAY THEY CAN GET THE, THE, THE NETWORK THERE CITY ALL INFORMATION. THE CITY SECRETARY CAN EMAIL ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AROUND EMAIL WITH 'EM ALL THE TIME. I I GET MY PERSONAL EMAIL ALL THE TIME. THIS I GOT MAIL AND THAT'S MY PHONE. PHONE. THERE'S MY BROWSER. IF I WANTED YOUR, THIS THING'S GOT ALL MY MUSIC, I GOT, I GOT LIKE THREE DAYS WORTH OF MUSIC WITHOUT PLAYING THE SAME SONG. AND THEN ALL THESE OTHER THINGS LIKE IT'S INTERNET READY. THEY PUT A HOT SPOT IN HERE SO I CAN PROBABLY LISTEN TO THE RADIO. OH, THIS IS LIKE STATIONS ON THE INTERNET. WELL CAREFUL. YEAH. MUST BE USING THE WIRELESS. ANYWAY, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS CONNECTS ME TO A COMPUTER THAT'S INTERIOR AT THE TRI. AND I GOT THIS ON MY COMPUTER AT THE OFFICE. I CAN DRAG, DRAG DROP FILES THAT WHERE, PUT OUR PAGES AND THE PRESS GUYS GET PAGES THERE AND UH, EXCEPT I DO IT ON MY COMPUTER AND THIS JUST A, THIS IS JUST A FOLDER I, HERE WE DUMP STUFF. SOMEBODY GOT THAT, THEY CLEANED OUT THAT FOLDER. BUT UM, I, ANYWAYS, I, I DON'T DUNNO WHY I PUT IT ON MY IPHONE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S AN MAP AND I CAN DO PUT IT ON THERE BECAUSE I, I'LL USE IT IN MY OFFICE LIKE TOMORROW WE, THE PAPER I'LL PAGES CABINET. IT'S A LOT QUICKER THAN EMAIL. OH YEAH. I DON'T, I I GOT ONE OF THE PRETTY FIRST ONES OUT, YOU KNOW, PRE-ORDERED AND OBIT BACK WHEN THEY WERE 700 BUCKS, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE STILL GOT IT, YOU KNOW, I'VE STILL GOT THAT ORIGINAL AND I FINALLY, THEY GOT THINGS DOWN 50 BUCKS, THE THREE GS. I BOUGHT ONE IN THEM. JUST SO I EXPLAIN IT NOW. I WANT ONE FOUR GS. I DON'T WANT FOUR S BECAUSE A FOUR S IS NOT A 4G FOUR S STILL RUNS THE SAME SPEED AS THE 3G. THE ONLY THING IS IS GOT ALL THAT VOICE ACTIVATED. I DON'T WANT NONE OF THAT STUFF. I WANT THE 4G IF WANT THE SPEED, I WANT THE EXTRA SLICE STORAGE SPACE. THEM. OH. IT'S JUST, I'VE BEEN, I WAS, GEE ANYBODY KNEW WHAT GEEKS WERE. [01:10:01] I I WAS BUILDING MY COMPUTERS WAY BACK WHEN THEY WERE, THEY WEREN'T EVEN, THEY WEREN'T EVEN PCS. THERE WERE TWO 80 SIX'S AND 60 80 CS AND ALL THAT STUFF. YOU KNOW, TRASH BUILDING COMPUTER BACK, I BUILDING MY OWN BACK THEN. YEAH, BACK WHEN THE COMPUTERS TOOK ONE COMPUTER TOOK UP THREE AND NOW YOU'VE GOT MORE COMPUTING STUFF IN WRIST. WATCH THOSE COMPUTERS ADDED THREE CITY BLOCKS. I REMEMBER A BIG TARANTULA SPIDER MOVIE WHERE IT WAS LIKE GIANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WAS WATCHING A MOVIE WITH MY DAUGHTER, IT MODERN, UH, I FORGET HIS, THEY GO TO THE SHIP, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TAKE THE PLANE, FLY UP ABOVE THE PLANE, SLIP THE HOLE IN IT, GO UP THE AIRPLANE, GOES RESCUE HIM FROM TERRORISTS. STEVENSON CALLS FOR LIKE FIVE MINUTES. HE DIES IN THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES. IT'S LIKE THE FIRST TIME YOU SAW JOHN WAYNE DIE IN THE COWBOYS. YOU KNOW, HE IS LIKE STEVENSON ALL DIED. HE NEVER DIED. HE DIED IN LIKE THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES OF THE MOVIE. AND THEN KURT RUSSELL HAD TO CARRY A MOVIE, THE REST OF THE MOVIE. IT WASN'T A BAD MOVIE, BUT YOU WERE EXPECTING STEVENS TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT. AND HE DIDN'T. HE WAS HARDLY EVEN IN THE DAMN MOVIE BEFORE I, EVERY TIME IT'S A LITTLE MOVIE. IT'S KIND LIKE WATCHING ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WATCH IT. OH, HOWIE BERRY'S IN THERE. SHE PLAYS, SHE PLAYS THE UH, UH, UH, FLIGHT ATTENDANT. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. JOHN S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE GUYS THAT GOES IN ONE OF THE, THE NAVY SEALS OR WHATEVER. THEY WERE I BAD GUY BECAUSE HE'S A CHARACTER. BECAUSE YOU ONE OF THE GUYS, YOU NEVER KNOW HIS NAME BUT HE'S IN, YOU KNOW. OH GOD THAT'S FIFTIES. YEAH, IT WAS THE GHOST ONE. IT WAS THE GHOST ONE. YEAH. I SAW LIKE RERUNS. I NOT WHO PLAYED THE SO LONG AGO. OH OKAY. YEAH. TYPICAL FOR THE ERA OF SCIFI MOVIE. I REMEMBER SEEING ONE BIG SPIDER MOVIE WHERE THE SPIDER WAS PUT OFF LIKE LASER BEANS OR SOMETHING OR SOMETHING. BUT IT WAS OBVIOUSLY SUCH A, I MEAN SPECIAL EFFECTS BUT IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A REAL SPIDER AND, AND JUST PUT LITTLE BITTY STUFF ON THE CRAWL OVER AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY MADE THE LITTLE LASER BE EFFECT, BUT YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY EFFECTS WEREN'T THAT GOOD. OH YEAH. WATCH 60 IN 1995. IT'S GONNA DO I THINK WAIT MINUTE. I LIVED IN NINE FIVE. WE DIDN'T HAVE COURSE, YOU KNOW THIS IS THE LAST YEAR THAT RIGHT FOUR, THE MAY CALENDAR RUNS UP THIS YEAR AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA END. IT'S GONNA BE OVER WITH BECAUSE THERE'S NO MORE CALENDAR PAGES APPARENTLY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. DECEMBER 21ST OF THIS YEAR IS GONNA BE THE LAST DAY OF EXISTENCE. WHAT'D THEY SAY? DECEMBER 21ST IS THE LAST DAY. WELL I TRIED TO POINT THAT OUT TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT COME ACT LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT. YOU, SOME PEOPLE IT'S LIKE WE HAD Y 2K, EVERYBODY THOUGHT WAS GOING CRASH WAS THE UNOFFICIAL. OH YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT. ALL THE TV SPECIALS, [01:15:01] IT WAS CASH. I WAS WORKING IN NEWSPAPER. THEY JUST, THEY JUST SAID RESET. THEY HAVE TO RESET THE, OH YEAH. OKAY. WILL YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC, OKAY, WHAT IF I GET PEOPLE THAT SLEPT THEM IN, BUNKS OUT THE DEAL WHEN THE SPACESHIP GONNA COME ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THEY ENDED UP DOING WAS DRINKING SOME POISON AND KILLING THEMSELVES. WHAT IS IT? KILL OURSELVES TRAVEL WITH CO OR SOMETHING IN THE SPACESHIP TO HEAVEN OR YEAH, THIS COMMENT YOU UM, SO JACK CAN FAX US THE STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GO OUT FOR BIDS FOR I THINK FAX US TO EMAIL HIM OR FAX THEM SEBASTIAN EB THAT'S FINE. ECONOMY BEEN DUBLIN ACTUALLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND THEY'VE BEEN IN COURT THIS FOR 20 YEARS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT, 'CAUSE DUBLIN DR. PEPPER GOT POPULAR STARTING TO GO. THEY'RE BACK DOWN TO WHERE THEY CAN ONLY DO IT IN THAT SIX COUNTY AREA AGAIN. YEAH, IT, I WAS READING THE STORY ON IT THE OTHER DAY. THEY ORIGINALLY WAS AT THE SIX COUNTY AREA AND BY THEN THEY STARTED EXPLAINING, GOT REAL POPULAR. THEY THEY ONE TOWARD, WELL I, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE I THOUGHT THEY, I THOUGHT THEY REALLY, THEY WERE GONNA BE JUST THAT HEARING. MAYBE THEY GOT RID OF I WE PUT YEAH BECAUSE COST LIKE 1500 JOBS. DUBLIN AND DUBLIN'S WHERE THEY MUSEUM OR WHATEVER. THEY GOT THAT OVER THERE TOO. WELL THERE'S NO GOOD WAY TO GET, WE HAD THE WIRE DRIVE RIGHT. NOWHERE, NOWHERE. STATE LIBRARY, STEPHENVILLE BROWN BROWNSWOOD. YEP. WAY OUT IN THERE. THE LEGISLATURE SAID FOR BOOKS, COURT PAPERS AND BY THE STATE DETECTION WITH MAXIMUM SIX INCHES FROM THE EXTERIOR WALL, FOUR INCHES FROM THE INTERIOR WALL AND [01:20:01] SIX INCHES OFF THE FLOOR. FROM WHAT I HEARD REAL ESTATE. SO THAT'S GOOD. WHAT THEY MIGHT JUMP OUT. YOU CAME HERE, STOP SIGN THERE. THE GRAND VALLEY SOUTHERN ACTUALLY I HEARD. HEARD. YEAH. IT'S HUGE. I KNOW IT'S HUGE. I'VE HEARD OF THAT OVER HERE, PROBABLY THROUGH THE EDGE OF IT AT SOME POINT WITHOUT KNOWING IT. BUT, UM, THE ENTIRE MEXICAN BORDER NOW 40, 50 MILES FROM WITHIN 40, 50 MILES OF MEXICAN WATER ALL THE WAY IN THE SUDDEN IT'S GETTING DANGEROUS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE DOPE DEALER, DOPE ERS ARE COMING ACROSS AND THERE'S ONE BIG LAKE THAT STRADDLES THE BORDER. UNITED STATES MEXICAN BORDER THAT THEY JUST, YEAH, OKAY. MY BROTHER A MOTORCYCLE. MOTORCYCLE. I WOULDN'T GO INTO MEXICO NOWADAYS. THERE'S TOO MANY STORIES AND PEOPLE NOT COMING BACK FRIDAY. ACTUALLY I TOOK FRIDAY OFF. I DO, I WANTED TO LOCKED THE DOOR. I DIDN'T COME OUT TRUST WORK. I, WELL I WENT OUTSIDE AND COPPER TOO EXPENSIVE. THIS THING A BUILDING. YOU, THAT'S THE WAY I WAS SLEEPING. I DIDN'T TURN AROUND LONGER. SEE I KIND, I DO GET EVERY NOW AND THEN I GET TO THE, OKAY BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, UH, AND I KEEP THINKING ONE MORE TIME BEFORE I CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S STARTING TO FINGER, UH, ONE MORE TIME BEFORE I CAN'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, THEN I GET TO WHERE, START DOING ALL THIS JUNK. I CAN'T STAND IT AND I'M GONNA CHOP IT OFF, BUT I'M THINKING NEXT TIME I'M GIVE ONE SHOT, I'M GONNA GO. WHEN I GO GET, I'M NOT GONNA GET SHOT, I'M GONNA TELL THE BILL, LEAN IT LIKE I DID WING IT FURTHER. UH, AND, AND THEN, AND IT KIND OF EVENED UP. BUT DON'T LOSE NO LENGTH BECAUSE IT TAKES ME TO GO DOWN. HE HAD THAT MUCH HAIR LIKE TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, [01:25:01] WE'LL SEE. WELL ANYWAY, I'M, WE'LL I'M MY BOSS, HE SAID OKAY. SHE WON'T WHEN I'M RUNNING AROUND TOWN WEEKEND. GOT, WHEN DO YOU GET YOUR IN 1979. I CAN MAKE SURE. MOTION COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECOND MOTION ALL SAY AND BEFORE WE AJOUR THURSDAY MORNING, SIX SIX YOU'LL BE AND I EXPECT THAT. NO, NO, NO. JUST I THINK DOES START AT NINE O'CLOCK. NINE O'CLOCK SIR. NINE 30 I NEXT MOTION MAY HAVE A MOTION. JACKSON SECOND STEP MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? SAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.