* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] WE WANTED TO, UH, GATHER HERE AND, UH, HAVE A, A PRESENTATION AND PRESENT, UH, UH, SOME CERTIFICATE AND ALSO A PLAQUE TO THE FOLKS THAT HAVE WORKED IN THIS COUNTY FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND I'M GONNA CALL YOU UP INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEN IF YOU WOULD STAY UP HERE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME, UH, PICTURES OF YOU AS WELL. I WANT TO DO A COUPLE SONGS. OKAY. TOO LONG AS WELL. SO FIRST IS, UH, LOWRY SANDERS, UH, LOWRY, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. UH, LOWRY IS THE, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, IS THE, UH, CONSTABLE OF, UH, PRECINCT THREE, THE RETIRING CONSTABLE. AND, UH, LOWRY HAS BEEN CONSTABLE FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW? 26 YEARS IN ONE MONTH. 26 YEARS. IN ONE MONTH. HE'S GOT THE JOB DONE. THREE DAYS AND 10 MINUTES. AND, UH, LOWRY, WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT, UH, THIS CERTIFICATE TO YOU AND RECOGNITION AND SINCERE APPRECIATION TO LARRY SANDERS, CONSTABLE PRECINCT, FREE FOR YOUR YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE AND PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES AS KAUFMAN COUNTY CONSTABLE TWO, AND AS WELL AS THREE AND CONSTABLE PRECINCT, FREE KAUFMAN COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. COMMISSIONER. YOU WANNA BRING THAT UP? YES, SIR. OH, LOOK AT THAT. THIS BASICALLY SAYS THE SAME THING THE JUDGE JUST SAID, EXCEPT YOU USE IT FOR A PAPERWORK. THANK YOU. LET'S GIVE, SHE'LL JUST STAY UP HERE WOULD BE SHELLY FEATHERSTON. YAY, SHELLY. IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. AND THIS, UH, UH, WE'RE LOSING TWO LONGTIME CONSTABLES IN OUR ALREADY LOST ONE, ACTUALLY, BUT I SAY LOST. THAT'S NOT A GOOD TERM. WE ARE RETIRING, UH, FROM, UH, PRECINCT ONE. AND THIS SAYS, UH, DENTICAL THE SAME THING TO, UH, IN RECOGNITION AND SINCERE OF SHELLY FEST, YOUR YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE AND PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES AS COST. KAUFMAN COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPUTY AND CONSTABLE PRECINCT, NUMBER ONE, KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND HIS CITIZENS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF CHURCH, JEFF. THANK YOU. AND I'VE REALLY ENJOYED WORKING FOR THE COUNTY. I'VE HAD A GOOD TIME. IT WAS, I LOVE THE JOB. IT WAS FUN, BUT I DECIDED NOT TO RUN AGAIN. MY DEPUTY GOT, AND I'M PLAYED A JOB FISHING, BUILDING OLD CARS, AND I'M HAPPY AND STILL HONEST, TRY TO BE , BUT I GOT MINES AND MY WIFE TOLD ME HOW TO AX, SO, YOU KNOW, HAD GOOD TRAINER. THAT'S GOOD. HOW MANY YEARS, HOW MANY YEARS OF TOTAL SERVICE DID YOU HAVE? 20. 20 YEARS IN TOTAL SERVICE. YEAH. GOOD. WHY DON'T YOU GUYS COME AROUND OVER HERE AND THEN WE'LL GET LINED UP FOR THE, THE NEXT ONE IS DICK MURPHY FOR OUR TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR, WHO'S RETIRING. AND DICK, THIS IS FOR YOUR YEARS DEDICATED SERVICE AND PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES AS KAUFMAN COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR, COLLECTOR KAUFMAN COUNTY AND HIS CITIZENS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. I ENJOYED IT. NEXT IS, UH, COMMISSIONER JC JACKSON, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT NUMBER THREE, WHERE THERE HE IS, RIGHT THERE. AND THIS IS IN RECOGNITION AND SINCERE APPRECIATION OF, UH, JC JACKSON, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE FOR YOUR YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE AND PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES AS KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER PRECINCT NUMBER THREE, KAUFMAN COUNTY ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND CONGRATULATIONS. WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU, BUDDY. WELL, I MISS YOU GUYS. IT'S BEEN A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR ME AND I'VE ENJOYED IT. SO WISH THE BEST FOR COMAN COUNTY IN THE TAXPAYERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JASON. AND LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, IS JERRY. UH, JERRY, IN RECOGNITION AND SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR YOUR YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE AND PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES IS KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER PRECINCT NUMBER ONE, KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND HIS CITIZENS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR. THANK YOU. WORDS. I DO NEED TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. UH, I'M LIKE, SHELLY, IT HAS BEEN A REAL PRIVILEGE AND HONOR SERVING WITH THESE GUYS AND THESE GUYS. UH, YOU KNOW, JC WAS SO MUCH FUN TO WORK WITH AND I GUARANTEE YOU ONE THING, NO ONE ON THIS COMMISSION EVER KNEW WHETHER HE WAS A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN. NEVER BEEN A THING TO HELP. HE DID A GREAT JOB. [00:05:02] ALRIGHT. HE STILL TALKING. I KNOW THAT IT WAS GREAT WORKING WITH RAY. HE HELPED ME A LOT. DID THEY EVER GET THAT BRIDGE TO KNOW WHERE BILL , WE GOT A NEW MAP. I NEED THAT. AND TOM, TOM WAS ALWAYS A GREAT GUY TO WORK WITH. TOM WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT MONEY, HE WANTED TO SAVE MONEY ON EVERYTHING. HE WANTED TO CHARGE ADMISSIONS TO THIS THING THE NIGHT. UH, BUT IT WAS A, IT, IT IS BEEN A, IT IS BEEN A GREAT FOUR YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW THEN WE HAVE ONE OTHER PRESENTATION JUST HERE IN A MOMENT FROM ANOTHER GROUP THAT WANTS TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. SO HOW DO Y'ALL WANT US TO YEAH, UP RIGHT THERE. OKAY. CASEY, I NOT RETIRING. OKAY, HOLD ON. I WANNA GET ONE MORE. GO RIGHT AHEAD. GO RIGHT IN. ALRIGHT, LOOK THIS WAY GENTLEMEN. BIG SMILES AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE AGAIN. THEN. WE HAVE ONE OTHER GROUP THAT IS HERE TONIGHT THAT HAS A PRESENTATION TO MAKE. AND BON LINDSAY, WHO IS THE CHIEF OF THE, UH, TER VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT CALLED TODAY AND WANTED TO MAKE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION. SO DONALD, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, SIR. UH, THIS IS JC JACKSON. UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY GOT GRASS FIRES, OUT OF HAND STRUCTURE FIRES AND LANDFILL FIRES. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO CALL JC NIGHT OR DAY, I NEED HELP, NEED HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND BEFORE I KNOW IT, HE'S RIGHT THERE BEHIND ME GOING. I'M HERE. I GOT EQUIPMENT ON THE WAY TO HELP YOU AND FROM THE TERRA VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT THIS MORNING. PLEASE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY AS LONG AS YOU WOULD LIKE. AND WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THE REGULAR COURT MEETING AND A COUPLE MINUTES, YOU GOT A COUPLE YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED UP FOR, IF YOU LIKE, WOULD LIKE ADDRESS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I KNOW WE HAVE HERE TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC ISSUE ON THE AGENDA, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT SIGNED UP, WE HAVE SOME SIGN IN FORMS, UH, BACK OVER COOKIES AND COFFEE POT. SO FEEL FREE TO GET THAT, FILL THOSE OUT, GIVE THEM TO THE SHERIFF. YOU'LL BRING, BRING FORWARD. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE INVOCATION. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PLEA OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG AS WELL AS TO THE TEXAN FLAG. AND THEN WE'LL HEAR MARCH. SO IF YOU'LL, WE OUR MOST GRACIOUS HEAVEN AS FATHER. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR TONIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS SPECIAL TIME OF THE YEAR, UH, THAT WE CAN GATHER TOGETHER IN A PUBLIC MEETING SUCH AS THIS, UH, THE SPECIAL TIME OF THE YEAR BEING CHRISTMAS, AND THE FACT THAT YOU SENT YOUR SON, YOUR ONLY SON, JESUS CHRIST, TO LIVE AMONGST US. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE. WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO LIVE IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, EVEN WITH ALL OF OUR FAULTS AND EVEN WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET UPSET ABOUT FROM TIME TO TIME. LORD, WE FORGET MANY TIMES HOW BLESSED WE ARE LORD, AS WE GO INTO THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON TO HELP US REMEMBER THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE AS FORTUNATE AS WE ARE. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GROUPS THAT ARE RAISING FOOD AND MONEY AND, AND TOYS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON EVEN TODAY AND EVEN THIS WEEK IN THIS, IN THIS GRAY COUNTY AS WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE, PARTICULARLY THOSE KIDS THAT CAN'T TAKE, CAN, CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. LORD, KEEP US SAFE. THESE THINGS ASKING AND OUR SONS HOLY NAME, AMEN. COMPLETELY FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER FIVE, ONE INDIVISIBLE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ONLY THING I HAVE UNDER CORRESPOND, I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU NEED A COPY OF THIS, UH, WAS THE JP ELECTION [00:10:01] OR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER. AND I BELIEVE THAT EMAIL TO YOU EARLIER. ANYBODY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT? NEXT ITEM, UH, WOULD BE THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND WE HAVE UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER A, WHICH IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 19TH AND ITEM NUMBER B, WHICH IS THE ACCEPTANCE SUBMITTED FOR NOVEMBER 26,012, MEETING AND C, THE FEE TO, UH, DISCUSS, CONSIDER REVIEWING MEMBERSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY PAY DUTY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, IF NOT, I'LL A MOTION TO APPROVE. HAVE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER JACKSON, WE HAVE SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER, AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY DONE ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, GEORGE YARD, WHO IS GOING GIVE US ON AN IT COMMITTEE MEETING TO INCLUDE CELL PHONES TIMEKEEPING FOR OUR NEW, UH, PAYROLL SOFTWARE AND COUNTY VOTING SYSTEM AND DISASTER RECOVERY BUSINESS CONTINUITY COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN. MR. BRIAN, YOU I'LL TO THE POINT BE AS QUICK AS I CAN. GOT HIS EYE ON ME. SO, ALRIGHT, BRIEFLY GOING UPDATE YOU ON A COUPLE OF NEWS ITEMS. UM, ON THE MATTER OF SDW AND OUR DATA CONVERSION. UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO NEW FINANCIAL SOFTWARE. UM, DURING THE LAST MONTH OR TWO, WE, UH, WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO MOVE DATA BACK AND FORTH AND GET EVERYTHING CLEANED UP FOR OUR, UH, CONVERSION. WEDNESDAY THIS WEEK, UH, WE HAD OUR TEST RUN WEDNESDAY NIGHT AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS. WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL CONVERSION OF GL GENERAL LEDGER FRIDAY. THIS PAST FRIDAY, UH, AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS, WE HAD A FINAL CUTOFF AND WE PUSHED ALL THE DATA TO SDW OVER THE WEEKEND WE COMPLETED THE CONVERSION. IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. UH, THIS MORNING. THE, UH, WENT LIVE WITH GL AND . UM, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS AS ALWAYS. SO WE HAVE NEW SOFTWARE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY PROJECT, THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME UP WHICH NEED THE ATTENTION. AND OUR AUDITOR POINTED OUT THE FACT THAT WHEN WE CONVERTED OUR DATA, THE INVOICING HAD A HAD THAT WAS CONVERTED TO GL. WE PREFERRED TO HAVE A VIEW OF INVOICING AND AP. SO ONE ITEM WE'RE GONNA DO YET IS TO CONVERT INTO ALL THE INVOICING DATA TO AP. SO THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE INQUIRY ACCESS, THE WORKING ACCOUNT PAYABLE WILL HAVE THE DATA AS IT APPEARS TODAY. . UM, AND THE NEXT ITEM IS, AND WE'LL GET WARNED THIS IN A MINUTE, IS PAYROLL. WE'RE GONNA GO LIVE IN PAYROLL IN TWO MONTHS. AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MOMENT IS HOW WE WILL, YOU KNOW, PUSH OUR PAYROLL INFORMATION TO, YOU KNOW, THE S STW AND, UM, COMMISSIONER CLARK AND COMMISSIONER MANNING WERE INVOLVED THESE MEETINGS. AND TONIGHT WE'LL LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS IN A COMBINATION OF POSSIBLE THESE TWO TO, TO MOVE FORWARD BRIEFLY. UH, THURSDAY WE'VE COMPLETED ATTACHING OBJECTION, ACCOUNTABILITY TO OUR COUNTY NETWORK VOICE AND DATA IS NOW AVAILABLE IN THAT BUILDING. PHONE NUMBER IS (972) 932-9688. THAT IS DONE AND READY. SO ONCE UH, THE TEAM HAS COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION AND WORKED THERE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, GET OUR PEERS AND PHONES UP. WE . UH, ANOTHER ITEM WE MENTIONED, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH CLOUD DATA BACKUP TO A COMPANY CALLED RACKSPACE. WE'RE GONNA MENTION THAT AGAIN AS THE LAST ITEM HERE AS WE TALK ABOUT DISASTER RECOVERY AND CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS. AND ANOTHER BRIEF ITEM. WE HAVE COME UP WITH A WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH NO CELL PHONE COVERAGE IN ACCORDANCE. AND WE'VE COMPLETED THAT IN THE BASEMENT SO FAR. WE'RE GONNA START ROLLING OUT IN THE REST OF THE COUNTY AND OTHER BUILDING. SIMPLY ALL WE DID WAS REPEAT THE SIGNAL OF CELL PHONES. THERE'S TWO TYPES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME TYPE THAT RUNS ON AT P AND THE TYPE HORIZON SPRING. AND WE HAVE A WAY TO SIMPLY REPEAT THE SIGNAL FROM THE TOP OF THE BUILDING TO THE REST OF THE, WE HAVE BEGUN TO THE COURTHOUSE. SO TODAY, IF YOU GO TO THE COURTHOUSE, I THINK OUR, OUR COUNTY CLERK CAN TESTIFY TO. WE NOW HAVE CLEAR COVERAGE, UM, BY VIRTUE OF INTENT ON TOP OF THE COURT. MR. MANNING CALLED ME ABOUT, UH, WHAT TIME? NO, ABOUT, UH, ONE QUARTER TO ONE. THEY WAS QUITE UPSET WE COULDN'T TALK ON THE CELL PHONE, SO NO, HE WASN'T UPSET. WE JUST, WE, BUT THAT'S GOOD TO GET THAT CLEARED UP SOME. WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ATTORNEYS, WE, WE TINTED THE WINDOWS BACK WHEN WAS THERE AND OVERNIGHT WHEN WE TEND THAT, THAT GOLD COLLAR YOU SEE ON THE WING, THE DAY WE DID THAT WAS THE DAY OF THE CELL PHONE COVERAGE AND CORD, UM, FOUR ITEMS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR IT COMMITTEE MEETING. UH, WE'RE GONNA RUN AWAY AS QUICKLY. THE FIRST WAS, AND THIS IS REALLY JACK'S [00:15:01] AREA, HE MAY WANT TO CHIME IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOK AT CELL PHONES AS A STIPEND OR CONTINUE THE WAY WE ARE AND HAVE THE CABIN PAID FOR. AND THEN I THINK OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY. IT ALWAYS, SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, I THINK WE FOUND THAT IT WAS KIND OF WASHED, BUT SOFT COSTS ARE THE, THE WORK THAT HE HAS JACK HAS TO DO ON HIS STAFF MANAGING THE ACCOUNTS AND DOING ALL THE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF TO WORK THE FUNDS. SO YOU MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT AND WELL, I THINK AND IS SOFT COST. IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH BIG FOR US HAVING TO TURN PHONES ON AND OFF, BUT WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOOK AT THINK NEXT BUDGET. WE DIDN'T SAVINGS, WE BUDGET, WE HAVE COST ON CELL PHONES, ABOUT 10% CUT LOT LINES THAT WE HAD. WE TURNED OFF SOME AIR CARS AND DONE LOT WORK, BUT I THINK WE WERE GOOD COST ABOUT 10% SO FAR. SO WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON THAT. NEXT ITEM WE SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON IS TIMEKEEPING. COMMISSIONER CLARK WANT TO, MIGHT WANT TO WEIGH INTO THIS, BUT TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO OPTIONS WE HAVE WITH OUR CONTRACT FROM SDW, THE SDW UM, PAYROLL APPLICATION. THE WAY THAT WORKS IS WITH THE EMPLOYEE PORTAL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, UM, KIND OF A TIME SHEET TYPE ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR WHEN WE GO LIVE WITH THE EMPLOYEE PORTAL, THE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE REPORT THEIR DATA LIVE AND PUT TABLE. WE LOOKED AT TIME CLOCK, THE, THE LEMME JUST BACK UP. WHEN WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND MET IN THE IT COMMITTEE MEETING, A LOT OF FOLKS REALLY ENJOY THE IDEA OF HAVING A TIME CLOCK. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS VERY SUCCESSFUL. THEY RUN A WHOLE CREW OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY SHIFT CHANGE OUT THERE IN THE JAIL AND THEY USE TIME CLOCKS AND THEY LOVED IT. WE, UM, SHOWED THE WORKLOAD PROGRAM, THE CHIEF BEAVERS AND HIS STAFF AND THEY LIKED IT. IT'S A HOSTED, A HOSTED TIME CLOCK, UM, WHERE TWO OR THREE TIME CLOCKS ARE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THE DATA IS PUSHED, THE WORKFLOW, UH, REPORTS ARE GENERATED AND IT'S AUTOMATED. AUTOMATES THE PROCESS OF PUSHING THE DATA PANEL. SO TODAY WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CALCULATIONS, THE COMPOUND AND SO ON AND SO ON. THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE LARGER QUESTION THAT CAME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, WHAT IS OUR GOAL? IS OUR GOAL TO AUTOMATE THE PROCESS AND SIMPLIFY THE WORK WITH THE PAYROLL OFFICE? OR IS IT TO KIND OF MANAGE AND GET A SENSE AS TO WHO COMES AND GOES AND WHEN THEY GO AFTER THE MEETING, WE, UH, TALKED TO SEW SOME R WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE PORTAL THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US AND WHAT OUR OPTIONS THERE WILL BE. AND I THINK JACK AND, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK AND, UH, THE, UH, THE OFFICER WE ALL MET AFTERWARDS AND I THINK OUR CONSENSUS AT THAT POINT WAS WE NEED TO WORKSHOP AND FINALLY DECIDE WHAT'S OUR GOAL. YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO, AND COMMISSIONER MILLER CHIME IN ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. NO, THERE WERE SO MANY OPTIONS AND SO MANY, UH, UNANSWERED QUESTIONS WHEN WE HAD OUR CONVERSATION WAS, UH, EVEN THOUGH COMMISSIONER MAD I WERE THERE, EVERYBODY NEEDS BE ON ON THAT. UH, BECAUSE IT COULD, IT COULD END UP BEING A MAJOR DEAL. MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE EASY TO DO, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT I THINK IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME NEED BE DONE AS WORKSHOP AS OPPOSED TO TONIGHT. BUT SO, SO WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP. HAVE Y'ALL DON WAIT BACK FOR THE HOLIDAYS OR WELL, WE PROBABLY NEED TO FAST TRACK IT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE LIVE WITH AT GL PAYROLL AT LEAST TWO MONTHS. SO WE REALLY NEED TO GET AN ESSENTIAL TO OUR DIRECTION. GO. WE'VE PAID FOR THE PAYROLL APPLICATION, WE CAN GO LIVE WITH THAT. UM, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WE COULD TAKE, IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AS THEY INDICATED WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH AND WE WANT TO AUTOMATE THE PROCESS, WE COULD BRING THEM ON BOARD AND WE TALKED TO SDW AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO A SPLIT SYSTEM. THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH, UM, THE FOLKS WHO WERE THERE THAT DAY WHO SAID, I AM NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE PEOPLE. WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. SO WE COULD SLOWLY MOVE INTO IT BY BRINGING ON BOARD WORKFLOW. UM, MAYBE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE GO LIVE. WOULD THAT THE TIME CLOCK AND ANY TIME BRING THE RENT TO THE FOLKS ON AND THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US? WHERE THEY SPLIT SYSTEM DOING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING ON THE TABLE WAS FUNDING. THERE WAS A, THERE WAS, UM, AN ACCOUNT COMMISSIONER CLARK, UM, I THINK TALKED TO, UH, JOHN LONG ABOUT, AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE WE RE THAT, BUT I KNOW WE DEAD WATER ON THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT YOU'RE, BUT WE'RE WE'RE STILL [00:20:01] SWIMMING. YOUR ANSWER TO THAT WAS WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO COST WORKFLOW IS COUNTER PRICING ABOUT 40, 40 TO 50,000 A YEAR PROBABLY IN THE FIRST YEAR. AND ABOUT 22,000, THEY'RE HAPPY. IT'S THREE 50 PER PERSON, PER EMPLOYEE PER MONTH. A SUPERVISOR FOR A LEAD PERSON IN EACH DEPARTMENT WOULD ADD THREE 50 CENTS PER DEPARTMENT HARDWARE. 2250 PER UH, TIME DEVICE. TWO, THREE POSSIBLY. AND IF WE ROLL IT OUT TO OTHER AREAS OF THE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE WEIGHED THAT DAY WAS THE COST OF THE EFFICIENCY AND TRACKING COMING AND GOING IN TWO HOURS AND TO, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. SO I GUESS WHEN WE MEET LATER, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH YOU. WHAT'S YOUR, WHO'S GONNA CALL ME? WE'LL LET THE JUDGE DO THAT. I'D LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. WELL FINISH COURT MOTION. YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, YEAH, I'LL SAY LET'S MOVE ON THAT DEAL. WE'LL TRY TO GET SOMETHING SET UP. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A DATE THAT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO TRY TO DO IT FOR THE HOLIDAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND. SO THE UH, THIRD ITEM WAS, UH, PHONE. UM, TWICE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE BROUGHT AN OUTSIDE AUDITING TEAM IN, CLEAN UP OUR BILLING, RECEIVED REFUNDS FROM THE GOVERNMENT, RECEIVED REFUNDS FROM THE STATE. THE GOAL WAS TO FORKLIFT OUR, THE PHONE SYSTEM OUT AND REPLACE IT. UM, AS TECHNOLOGY HAS EVOLVED, WE HAVE SUB LURED AND LOOKED AT AND TALKED ABOUT A HOSTED PHONE SOLUTION. THE GOAL THERE WOULD BE TWOFOLD. ONE WOULD BE THE FIXED COST OF ALL THE HARDWARE, EVERY LOCATION WE RUN ON THE PHONES WOULD GO AWAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WOULD BE IN A HOSTED SOLUTION, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO WHERE THE PHONES IN THE COMPARTMENT COULD BE MOVED ANYWHERE, WOULD STILL WORK AND COME UP AND RUN AND WOULD FULFILL SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE FOURTH ITEM, WHICH IS CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS AND HAVE A DISASTER. SO, SO TODAY, UH, WE WENT DOWN THAT ROAD. JACK AND I HAVE LOOKED AT SEVERAL VENDORS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME VISITS, WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OPTIONS. IN FACT, WE'VE LOOKED AT QUITE A FEW OVER THE YEARS. BUT NOW WE'RE MOVING MORE INTO THE OPTION OF HOSTING SINCE WE MET. WE ARE NOW WORKING WITH, UH, WITH AN OPTION TO TAKE OUR EXISTING MITEL PHONES, NOT EVEN FORKLIFT THAT WHAT WE HAVE AND HOST THOSE. SO THE BENEFIT THERE WOULD BE WE COULD IN COMMISSIONER PRECINCT TWO SHOULD BE A, AN ISSUE, TORNADO, WHATEVER. WE COULD PULL THE PHONES, PUT 'EM ANYWHERE ELSE, AND THEY WORK AND THEY WOULDN'T RELY ON THAT HARDWARE SITTING IN THAT . SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR GOAL. EVOLVE FROM HOST TO SPECIFICALLY HOSTING WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE SPENDING MONEY ON DO WHAT WE GOT WHERE WE NOT GONNA TRY TEST AROUND JUVENILE PROBATION TO STAY. HER WOULD NOT BE A GOOD FIT FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE WIRE WIRELESS LINK, THE COURT. SO PROBABLY EITHER TWO OR FOUR. AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE AFTER NOW YOU'RE THE AREA IS TRY WITH THE THIRD PARTY VENDOR, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE MYTEL SYSTEM, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT PHONE SWITCH GOES WITH A HOSTED SOLUTION. SO ALL OF, THERE'S A RICHER FEATURE SET IF YOU HAVE TWO PHONES. SO THE IDEA OF A HOSTED CURRENTLY , SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. AND THE LAST THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN THIS LIP SERVICE FOR YEARS, BUT I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO MOVE FORWARD THE IDEA OF DISASTER RECOVERY AND BUSINESS CONTINUITY. NOW WE HAVE DISASTER RECOVERY PLAN, WE HAVE FOR HAD IT FOR YEARS. UM, WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW TO DO BUSINESS CONTINUITY. UM, KATHY'S WORKED ON IT WHEN SHE WAS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. WE NOW HAVE STEVE, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. IN THE MEETING. STEVE SPOKE FOR A WHILE ABOUT THE ISSUES AROUND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR COGNITIVE OPERATIONS THAT MANY IN THE IT WORLD OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT DON'T KNOW ABOUT. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT WHAT LITTLE WIDGETS THE COUNTY CLERK NEEDS TO CONTINUE BUSINESS, A CASH BOX OR STANDS OR WHATEVER. AND I THINK WHAT WE GOT DOWN TO IT, WE ALL NEED TO BE INVOLVED. IT NEEDS TO BE A TEAM EFFORT. BUT WHAT WHAT'S A LARGER ISSUE IS GOVERNMENT, STATE OF OR COUNTY NORMALLY STARTS WITH A OVERARCHING VIEW OF WHAT DIVISION OF THE COUNTY. THERE'S A COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN THAT'S DISTILLED TO WRITING, WHICH, WHICH ARTICULATES THE VISION OF COMMISSIONER MANNING THE VISION OF THE COUNTY, JUDGE THE VISION OF THIS TEAM AND PUTS IT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE OR PUTS IT SO THE TAXPAYER CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, AH, THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO. THEY'RE GONNA SAVE MONEY BY DOING THIS, THIS, THIS. [00:25:01] SO EVEN IF YOU GO TO THE CITY OF NEY, LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE, THEY HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN. SO I THINK WHAT THE GROUP AND ID COMMITTEE LOOKED AT, BEGIN THERE, GET A TEAM TOGETHER, DEVELOP A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE COUNTY AND OUT OF THAT, OR A SUBSET OF THAT STRATEGIC PLAN WOULD BE IT STRATEGIC PLAN, DISASTER RECOVERY, CONTINUITY OPERATIONS. AND I THINK IN THAT DAY, A COUPLE OF FOLKS, UH, VOLUNTEERED, I THINK ARE, UH, OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY VOLUNTEERED TO HELP WITH THAT, SERVE ON THAT TEAM FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. UM, LARRY ING VOLUNTEERED AND WHAT HE WOULD BRING TO US, HE'S GOT A MASTER ELECTRICIAN'S LICENSE AND HE'S DONE PROJECT MANAGEMENT IN DALLAS FOR 30 YEARS. SO HE WOULD BE A GOOD FIT TO SAY, YEAH, THAT BUILDING IS A GOOD PLACE TO MOVE TO BECAUSE THOSE ARE ELECTRIC STUFF STUFF. SO THE, SO THE REST OF US WOULDN'T TAKE IT. SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT, WHEN WE FINISHED, WE, THE IDEA WAS WE'RE GONNA ASK THE COURT TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE, MAYBE USE SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO VOLUNTEERED AND LET GO FORWARD. HAVE YOU GUYS GIVE US MARCHING ORDERS AND SAY, INSTEAD OF JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, TELL US, HEY, BRING US A FRAMEWORK BACK IN A FEW MONTHS, COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. LET'S GO FORWARD. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. AND THAT LEADS US TO THE SECOND ITEM WE HAVE. GO AHEAD. YOU GO AHEAD AND TALK. THIS WOULD GIVE US, UH, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. WHAT, WHAT YOU DID. THE FIRST PART WAS JUST DISCUSSION THIS ACTION AND ADD AN ACTION OUT. COME BACK AND APPOINT A COMMITTEE LATER ON THIS OR WE DO THAT. YOU HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS. WELL, THAT DAY, UM, WE HAD, I THINK OUR, OUR FEELING IS SINCE IT REALLY CENTERS AROUND, WELL, LET'S BACK UP. TO BEGIN, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO DISTILL RIGHT, WHAT OUR GOALS ARE. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WE NEED TO MEET AND ENGAGE THE DEPARTMENTS AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS CRITICAL THEIR, THEIR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS TO DEVELOP THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MEET IN STEVE HUGHES OFFICE, YOU KNOW, PUT A TEAM TOGETHER, MEET THERE. AND SO I GUESS THERE WOULD BE TWO COMMITTEES, BUT I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO THIS ONE. ONE TO DEVELOP THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND ONE TO WORK ON THE CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS. I THINK STEVE WANTED TO BE INVOLVED, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, STEVE, AND OF COURSE YOU'D WANT TO USE YOUR FACILITY. I KNOW LARRY VOLUNTEERED. I KNOW THAT THE DA DID. I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE INVOLVED FROM AN IT PERSPECTIVE PURCHASING AND WHAT MIGHT WANT TO BE INVOLVED. AND COMMISSIONER MANNING. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY THE COUNTY CLERK, I WOULD THINK. YES. WELL, AND, AND OUR GOAL IS TO BEGIN TO MEET, BUT REACH OUT TO EVERY DEPARTMENT AND LEARN FROM THEM WHAT THEY NEED SO WE CAN FINALLY PUT TO WRITING WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. AND THE GOAL IS, SO THERE'S A TORNADO THAT WIPES OUT THIS BUILDING. WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP AND THINK, BUT WE'LL HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT TELLS US THOSE WHO WORK HERE REPORT TO THIS LOCATION ON THIS DAY, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE DO THE BUSINESS COUNTY SHERIFF. NOW WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO SUMMON AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UNFORTUNATELY, MY GOOD FRIEND ERNIE, IS NO LONGER WITH US. HE'S MOVED ON. BUT, UH, SHERIFF, ANYONE YOU WOULD RECOMMEND TO, UH, WORK ON THAT? WELL, WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE THAT, LET ME GO BACK AND, AND, UH, AND I'LL MEET YOU. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND APPOINT THE ONES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. UH, AND THEN WAITING ON THE SHERIFF TO RECOMMEND SOMEBODY IF HE DECIDES NOT TO SERVE HIMSELF, PERHAPS. IS THAT AGREEABLE WITH EVERYBODY THEN STEVE AND LARRY AND THE COUNTY CLERK. DISTRICT CLERK COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER CLARK. GEORGE. DISTRICT ATTORNEY. DISTRICT ATTORNEY. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT? SO MAY HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FAVOR? SAY YOU VERY MUCH, I'LL GET YOU A NAME TOMORROW. OKAY. THAT'D BE GOOD. IF YOU DON'T, WE'LL JUST HAVE YOU ON THERE. AND I YEAH, YOU'LL GET IT DONE. THAT I, I FAILED TO ASK FOR ANY REMARKS FROM VISITORS THAT ARE ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY, DID WE HAVE ANYBODY TURN ANYTHING IN CHERYL ON THE REMARKS FROM VISITORS IN THE MASTER? [00:30:06] WE HAVE TWO JUDGE. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE BOTH OF THESE ARE IN RELATION, UH, TO MS UH, MARA AND MS. LARSON ON THE ITEM NUMBER THAT WE'RE FIXING TO GET TO NEXT. AND THAT IS CONSIDER LANE ITEM NUMBER SIX TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING LANE AS A COUNTY ROAD CALLED COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER ONE. MR. UH, RALPH AND JERRY, COMMISSIONER RALPH ASKING THIS BE ON THE AGENDA. SO JURY, THANK YOU, JUDGE. UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE VISITED THIS SITUATION MORE THAN ONCE IN THE PAST. AND, UH, WE HAD, UH, REQUESTED FROM OUR ATTORNEY, ALLISON AND BASS IN AUSTIN TO SEND US, UH, A SORT OF A TREE ON THESE THINGS. THIS, THIS IS A, A, A SORT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE THERE IS NO LAW THAT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THIS. THIS IS NOT, UH, THIS IS NOT A, UH, UH, TOGETHER SUB SUBDIVISION. NOT A SUBDIVISION. I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T THINK OF IT. THIS IS NOT A SUBDIVISION. SO THOSE RULES THAT APPLY TO THE SUBDIVISION DO NOT APPLY TO THIS SITUATION. UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, MR. BASS SAYS THAT, UH, THE RULES APPLYING TO THIS SITUATION ARE VERY OUS. AND WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THE WHOLE THING IS THAT IT ALL EVENTUALLY COMES BACK TO THE COURT BECAUSE THERE IS NO NOTHING THAT YOU CAN READ IN THERE AND SAY, DO THIS, DON'T DO THIS, DON'T DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS UP ONE MORE TIME. I THINK, UH, MS. MORROW AND ANNETTE WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADDRESS THE COURT BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE FINISH THIS, BUT, UH, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE GONE TO EVERYBODY ON BEDRICK LANE. THEY'VE GOTTEN A DEDICATION THAT BOB BASS SAYS AND SAID, USE THIS TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, IT'S, IT TAKES THE PLACE OF THE, THE, UH, THE OTHER SITUATION. BUT THEY'VE ALL, EVERYBODY'S SIGNED THE DEDICATION FORMS. EVERYBODY HAS AGREED TO PAY THEIR SPECIFIC AMOUNT FOR, UH, PUTTING SOME DROP ON THE ROAD TO GET IT UP TO WHERE IT IS. BUT, UH, HERE'S WHAT BASS ACTUALLY SAYS ABOUT THAT. IT IS, UH, SEVERAL OBLIGATIONS. OBSERVATIONS ARE MADE IN REGARD TO THIS STATUS OF THIS ROAD. IT IS SPECIFICALLY LIMIT OR THESE, THESE SITUATIONS, THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY LIMITED TO ROADS WITHIN A SUBDIVISION. AS SUCH, THERE IS NO EXISTING CASE LAW, WHICH IS CONSTRUED THIS LANGUAGE OR WOULD LIMIT A COUNTY TO HAVING NON DIVISION, NON SUBDIVISION ROADS SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT ARE DEEMED TO BE COUNTY ROADS THAT DO NOT MEET OR EXCEED THE STANDARDS OF ROADS AND SUBDIVISIONS. SO HE'S SAYING THAT YOU CAN HAVE COUNTY ROADS IN YOUR PRECINCT, IN THE COUNTY THAT DO NOT MEET THE STANDARD DIVISIONS OF A SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION. THIS LANGUAGE SUGGEST THAT GOES OUTSIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT HAVE A LOW LEVEL OF TRAFFIC OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY LIMITATION THAT WE APPLY TO OUR SUBDIVISION. UH, AND THAT THROWS OUT THIS 1999 AMENDMENT, WHICH PROHIBITS HIGHER STANDARDS FOR SUBDIVISIONS THAN FOR OTHER COUNTY ROADS IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION. UM, LET'S SEE. ONE OTHER THING GIVEN, HERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT RON SAID. GIVEN THE APPLICATIONS OF CHAPTER 2 81 PARTIES WISHING TO DEDICATE TO THE COUNTY A PREEXISTING ROAD SEEKING TO HAVE THAT ROAD MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY CAN BE REASONABLY ASKED TO BRING THAT ROAD TO A REASONABLE STANDARD. THAT STANDARD MAY OR NOT BE SIMILAR TO SUBDIVISION, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE OR WHATEVER. UH, AGAIN, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NATURE OF THE TIME AND USE THE ROAD WILL BE PUT TO. SO MOST OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE, UH, THE ROAD THAT THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT WHEN THIS ALL STARTED WERE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE OF THE SUBDIVISION BROUGHT DOWN, THIS IS NOT A SUBDIVISION. THOSE RULES DO NOT APPLY. THERE ARE NO RULES. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH, UH, [00:35:01] MR. JACKSON ONCE BEFORE. THOSE RULES DO NOT APPLY TO THESE RULES. AND WHAT HE SAYS IS, IT'S JUST ALL LEFT UP TO THE COMMISSIONER. THERE IS NO LEGAL PRECEDENT THAT SAYS THIS ROAD CAN'T BE TAKEN IN JUST EXACTLY LIKE IT IS. ALL IT IS, IS A ROAD, A ROCK ROAD. ALL THESE PEOPLE WANT, IS THIS ROCK ROAD TAKEN IN OUR, UH, OUR, UH, COUNTY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM? I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY THEIR AMOUNT TO BRING THAT ROAD UP TO, UH, JUST A ROCK ROAD, NOT A, AN ASPHALT ROAD OR A, OR A HARDTOP ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED IN THE COURT, NOT ON ANY KIND OF A LEGAL LAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE ANYWHERE THAT SAYS, UH, ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THESE ROADS THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT IN THE SUBDIVISION BUT ARE STILL OUT IN THE COUNTY. THIS ROAD RUNS OUT AND, AND COMES TO A DEAD END ABOUT A HALF A MILE INTO THE COUNTY. THERE ARE FIVE FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON THIS ROAD. UH, AS, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, IT'S STILL A PROBLEM IN WINTERTIME TO GET A FIRETRUCK DOWN THERE. IT'S STILL A PROBLEM IN THE WINTERTIME TO GET AN AMBULANCE DOWN THERE. UH, IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IF THERE WERE SCHOOL CHILDREN THERE AND THERE MAY BE TO GET A SCHOOL BUS DOWN THERE UP, PICK UP THESE CHILDREN. UH, NOW I, I HAVE HEARD THAT, THAT THESE, THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED CONSTRUED AS A DRIVEWAY. I DON'T THINK THAT THE SITUATION, IF, IF THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED AS A DRIVEWAY, EACH ONE OF THE HOUSES DOWN THERE HAVE A DEFINITE PLACE WHERE THERE ROAD RUN THEIR DRIVEWAYS RUN OFF OF THIS ROAD TO THEIR DRIVEWAYS, UH, TO THEIR HOUSES. UH, IF THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DRIVEWAY, THEN EVERY ROAD THAT WENT OUT IN THE COUNTY, A DEAD END WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DRIVEWAY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S CONSIDERED A DRIVEWAY, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CONCERN THAT IF THEY TAKE THIS ROAD INTO THE COUNTY, THAT THAT WILL SET A PRECEDENT AND, UH, BRING SOME OTHER ROADS IN THEIR PRECINCT OUT OF THE BUSHES THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME IN AND, AND GET ON THE COUNTY'S MAINTENANCE SYSTEM. I, I REALLY CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT THAT. ALL I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THAT IS THAT THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO DO A ROAD THERE IS POSSIBLE. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T COST $2,000 A YEAR TO MAINTAIN THIS ROAD AFTER IT'S ONCE SET UP LIKE WE WOULD PLAN TO DO WITH MONEY THAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY. SO, SO IT'S UH, IT'S NOT A HUGE BIG DRAIN ON YOUR BUDGET, I WOULD SAY. UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT NOBODY'S GONNA COME OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND WANT TO BE ON THE ROAD. I JUST THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE PAY THEIR TAXES JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. AND WE TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IN HERE AND PAY YOUR TAXES, BUT DON'T ASK US FOR A ROAD THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAD. UH, AND THEY HAVE MAINTAINED THAT ROAD THEMSELVES FOR 40 YEARS. SO I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY THEY SAVED THE COUNTY OVER THAT 40 YEARS. AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE WAS ONE OTHER WAY TO DO THIS BY, UH, TAKING THIS IN AS AN ASPHALT ROAD AND THEN BUILDING THE PEOPLE FOR THAT, WHETHER THEY PAID IT OR NOT WOULD BE UP TO THEM. BUT THAT WAY WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO SPEND $80,000 A MILE OF COUNTY MONEY ON THAT ROAD TO FIX IT THIS WAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE NOT SPENDING A DIME ON IT TO BRING IT INTO THE COUNTY. YOU MIGHT PUT $2,000 ON IT. YOU MIGHT SPEND A GUY TWICE A QUARTER OUT THERE A YEAR TO JUST GRADE IT DOWN. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, IT JUST SEEMED TO ME THAT THEY, AND, AND ONE OTHER THING, THREE YEARS AGO OR FOUR YEARS AGO, WHEN WAS IT, BERGER THAT CAME TO US AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING ALL THESE ROADS TOGETHER AND, AND MAKING A LIST OR THE COUNTY OF EVERY ROAD THAT'S IN THE COUNTY, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ROADS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON HERE, JUST LIST IT DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM. IN OTHER WORDS, JUST WRITE THE ROAD IN. THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO DO. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A BOAT. IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO. NOBODY CARED. WHETHER IT WAS A ROCK ROAD OR AN ASPHALT ROAD, OR I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS ROAD WAS, WAS A PROBLEM AT THAT TIME. WE, I COULD'VE JUST WRITTEN IT ON THE BOTTOM AND PUT IT IN. AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'S HOW SIMPLE THIS IS TO THE COUNTY TO I TURNED IT. THEY SAID, I DON'T JUST WRITE IT ON THE BOTTOM, BUT NOW, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID THE OTHER ROAD MIGHT COME IN, WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OVER WITH. AND I THINK THAT, UH, MS. MA WANTS TO SPEAK TO US A LITTLE BIT. I WOULD LIKE TO, A MOMENT WE HAVE A, A [00:40:01] RULE IS THAT WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. SO YOU GOT A NICE MAP THERE. SO I DO, I DO. WELL, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WANNA REITERATE WHAT MR. ROUND COMMISSIONER ROUND SAID. WE'VE JUST BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME. WELL BEFORE, UM, IT GOES BACK TO 2004 AND I, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND SPEAKING OF THE BLACKTOP ROAD, UM, BACK IN APRIL 26TH, 2010, COMMISSIONER RAY CLARK FOR PRECINCT TWO RODE THREE ROADS IN A MOBILE HOME EDITION OFF OF 1 48 JESSE WAY, COURTNEY DRIVE AND KELTON DRIVE. AND HE SAID BASICALLY WHAT MR. BROWN SAID, THESE ROADS JUST, UH, FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS OR SOMEHOW THEY DIDN'T GET PUT INTO THE COUNTY'S MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO GET THEM INCLUDED INTO OUR ROAD SYSTEM. WELL, THESE ROADS RIGHT HERE THAT ARE ASPHALT, WHICH WE DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE ASPHALT, WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH ROCK ROAD. THESE ASPHALT ROADS WERE TAKEN IN AT THE END OF THAT YEAR, 2010. AND HE ALSO WENT ON TO SAY THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THESE FOLKS ARE GONNA HAVE TO PAY TO MAKE THESE ROADS PART OF THE SYSTEM. AND THAT NOWHERE CAN I FIND THAT THESE PEOPLE, WHOEVER, NOBODY, NOBODY ON THESE ROADS IS COMING TO THE COUNTY. SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT TO FIND IT QUESTION, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WHETHER THEY NOT PAID OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY PAID, SUPPOSED PAID TO GET THEIR ROSE ASPHALT, THEY HAVE NOT PAID. AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ABANDONED MOBILE HOMES IN THAT ADDITION. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL PERMANENT RESIDENTS, TAXPAYERS, AND WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR SIMPLE ROCK ROAD THAT'S LESS THAN A MILE LONG. AND SO ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. AL IS HERE AWARE THIS OR NOT, BUT, UH, THESE ROWS WERE PUT INTO PRECINCT ONE JANUARY 1ST, SO THEY'RE NO LONGER IN MR. CLARKS MR. CLARKS PRECINCT. SO NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE MAINTAINED BY PRECINCT MARCH FOUR. BUT I JUST HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL JUST TAKE THIS INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION. I MEAN, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING A REASON UNREASONABLE REQUESTS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ROADS IN THIS COUNTY THAT ARE JUST LIKE OURS AND, UH, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING TOTALLY UNREASONABLE. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I HOPE YOU ALL WILL. THANK YOU. DOES ANNETTE WANT? I THINK SHE DOES. I JUST HANDED JUDGE WITH EACH COMMISSIONER JIMMY JOE LIK IN THE FOLLOWING, AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY JOHN LONG PACKAGE OF EXHIBITS TO ASSIST YOU IN FOLLOWING THE LAW. MORE DISCUSSION AND APPEAL FOR A FINAL DECISION TO ACCEPT COUNTY BROOKS. TO BEGIN, PLEASE REFER TO EXHIBIT ONE. A REQUEST WAS ORIGINALLY MADE BY ROSEANNE'S MOTHER, MRS. PASS. THE DOCUMENT REFLECTS THAT THE ROAD HAD BEEN GRADED BY CO COUNTY ON PREVIOUS OCCASIONS AND THE SERVICES DID THIS STOP WITHOUT NOTICE? I HAD ORIGINALLY BEGAN WORKING ON THIS WITH COMMISSIONER BACK IN 2006 AND ROSEANNE AND I HAVE WORKED ON IT TOGETHER AT DIFFERENT TIMES. TODAY WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE CONCERNS WITH ACCEPTING BEDRICK LAY INTO THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM WOULD BE NUMBER ONE, IT WOULD OPEN MANY REQUESTS BY OTHERS TO ALSO HAVE THEIR ROADS ACCEPTED INTO THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM WOULD THEREFORE SET A PRECEDENT AND THE SUBDIVISION CAME IN. THEY COULD INSIST THAT THEY TOO SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A ROCK ROAD SINCE WE WERE GRANTED SUCH. IN MY DISCUSSION, I WILL SHOW HOW THESE DIVIDED SHOULD NO LONGER BE A CONCERN. AND IN REVIEW OF THE LIST OF ROADS THAT WERE CONSIDERED AS COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS, PLEASE REFER TO EXHIBIT TWO. ALYSSA GROVES MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY WAS SET FORTH IN THE DOCUMENT DATED AUGUST 9TH, TWO SEVEN. PLEASE REFER TO EXHIBIT THREE. THIS IS A LIST OF ROADS SET FORTH AS COUNTY ROWS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2012 TO 2013. IN COMPARING THESE TWO LISTS, SEVEN ROWS WERE FOUND TO HAVE BEEN ADDED. BEFORE I BRIEFLY COVER THESE ROWS, PLEASE REFER TO EXHIBIT FOUR, WHICH REFLECTS A GOOGLE MAP OF BEDRICK LANE. AND YOU'LL NOTICE ON THAT THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED PORTION IS THE ONLY PORTION THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE MAINTAINED. YOU'LL SEE THE WHITE PORTIONS [00:45:01] ARE THE DRIVEWAYS THAT LEAD UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE COUNTY TO TAKE OVER THOSE COUNTY ROAD 2 86, WHICH IS LESS THAN A MILE DOWN TO 25 78 FROM BED CLAIM THE COUNTY MAINTAINS WITH ONE HOMEOWNER. I'VE GOT AN EXHIBIT HERE. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT THIS IS BED CLAIM. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WANTING COVERED. THIS IS NOT, THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 2 86. IT GOES TO ONE HOME. IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY COTTON CIRCLE ONE HOUSE COUNTY ROAD 2 32 IS LISTED, BUT WHEN YOU GOOGLE IT, IT TAKES ME RIGHT BACK TO COUNTY HILL COTTON CIRCLES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. COUNTY ROAD TWO 80, THERE'S SEVEN HOUSES IN EVIDENCE, THEN WEST DRIVE, THERE'S NO HOME IN IT. DEAD ENDS PALMER LANE 10 HOUSES AND IT DEAD ENDS CLASS. CAPE FARM, WHICH IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO OUR SETUP, THREE TO FOUR HOUSES, DEAD ENDS, ROCK ROAD TO HOME, OKLAHOMA ROAD, THERE'S NO HOUSES AND IT'S A DIRT ROAD. PLEASE REFER TO EXHIBIT FIVE, THE HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS WHICH ADDRESSES PRIOR MEETINGS AND ELECTION RESULTS. AS IT RELATES TO BEDRICK LANE, WE RECEIVED ACCEPTANCE. OUR ROAD WAS GRADED BY THE COUNTY ON TWO OCCASIONS SINCE THEN, BUT IT WAS LATER TABLE WHEN CONCERNS WERE RAISED ABOUT MAKING LANE AND ASPHALT ROAD MEETING AT THE ROCK ROAD. WE, THE HOMEOWNERS ON CLAIM ARE CONTENT ON LEAVING IT AT THE ROCK ROAD ONCE THIS OCCURRED AND APPROVAL WAS GIVEN TO INVEST $2,500. FOR LEGAL OPINION REGARDING STANDARDS AND HOW THEY APPLY, IE. SUBDIVISIONS, PLEASE REFER TO THE MEMORANDUM OF LAW EXHIBIT SIX. IF YOU GO ABOUT FIVE PAGES IN, YOU'LL SEE WHERE COMMISSIONER GRO TALKED ABOUT THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS WE DON'T NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH IT. WE'RE NOT CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION. THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL ON THAT ROAD IS NOT SIMILAR TO A SUBDIVISION. AND SO I WON'T LABOR RE OTTING WHAT COMMISSIONER BROWN ALREADY STATED. ANY SUGGESTION THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE ROAD IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE ROAD, AS I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, IS NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TAKING OVER OUR, OUR PERSONAL DRIVEWAY. SO FIVE DIFFERENT TOWN. UM, WE ARE NOT GIVEN A TAX BREAK FOR MAINTAINING OUR OWN ROAD AND ARE THEREFORE SUBJECT TO THE SAME TAX BRACKET AS OUR NEIGHBORS. PLEASE REFER TO EXHIBIT SEVEN HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS AS DISCUSSED BY ROSEANNE ON APRIL 26TH, 2010 AT THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING. THE FOLLOWING WAS RESERVE TO DISCUSS AND VISITOR FOLLOWING CHAPTER 2 53 OF THE TRANSPORTATION TRANSPORTATION CODE TO IMPROVE E COURT DRIVE AND KEL DRIVE IN PRECINCT TWO, WHICH ROSE HAS DISCUSSED. UM, KEEP IN MIND ALSO, UH, WITHIN HALF A MILE FROM OUR PROPERTY, WE HAVE A GUN RANGE THAT IS WANTING TO GO IN TO THE HIGH POWERED RIFLES, BUT THE 1500 YARDS, 15 FOOTBALL FIELDS, AND THESE ARE BIG WEAPONS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN GET AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE DOWN THAT ROAD. THE, THE EXPERT FROM THE NATIONAL DERIVE ASSOCIATION HAS DECLARED THAT WE ARE IN DANGER, SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF F BUT WHEN SHOULD THEY GET ALLOWED TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS? GENTLEMEN, I URGE YOU TO GET FINAL APPROVAL, WHICH SHOULD HAPPENED YEARS AGO. IS THAT APPARENT THAT OUR ROAD CRAS JUSTICE AS JESSE WAYPORT DRIVE IN COLTON DRIVE, THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET AND THE ROCK ROAD IS ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU TO HIM FOR YOUR TIME CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. GOOD. UH, LEMME SEE, I JUST WIPE THIS UP. UH, PUT THIS UP REAL QUICK. UH, IT'S, IT REALLY SEEMS SIMPLE TO ME, AND I THINK I WENT ABOUT THIS THE WRONG WAY AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND I NEVER DID GET IT BACK ON TRACK LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. BUT IT JUST SEEMS SIMPLE THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO BE IN THE . THERE ARE NO LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS THAT SAYS WE CAN'T DO THIS. I, THE COMMISSIONER WOULD TAKE IT INTO MY ROAD. SO IT'S UH, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHY WE'RE NOT, WHY WE'RE THIS, UH, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT, THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER. OKAY? I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY I'M NOT, BECAUSE JUST SINCE THIS AGENDA CAME OUT, I'VE HAD A HALF DOZEN CALLS, WHICH EQUALS TO ABOUT EIGHT MILES A ROAD THAT WANT TO COME INTO MY PRECINCT. THE SAME SITUATION, EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION. THEY GOT A DIRT TRAIL, IT'S FULL OF HOLES. YEAH. AND THEY WANT US, THEY WANT US TO TAKE IT IN AND BLADE [00:50:01] IT. YEAH. THEY EVEN SAID THEY DON'T EVEN WANT ANY ROCK ON IT. THEY JUST WANT US TO BLADE. WELL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED 10 MORE MILES THE ROAD. I REALLY DON'T. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE SETTING A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO HELP, UH, HELP PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON BED, GROUND BED LANE. IT'S JUST GOING BRING, UH, IT'S GONNA BRING A LOT OF MILES ON ME. WELL, YOU KNOW, ALL I CAN SAY, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. IT IS GONNA HAPPEN IF THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA ASK YOU TO BRING A DIRT ROAD IN THEN AND THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND YOU ANY ROCK, ALL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS BLADE IT THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR. THAT'S A HALF A DAY MAYBE. SO I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO MINIMIZE YOU HIT 10 MORE MILES OF ROAD, BUT, UH, IS IT WORTH HAVING TO DO THIS TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR IN PLACE OF LETTING THESE PEOPLE COME INTO THE, TO THE PRECINCT THAT I WOULD TAKE THEM INTO? SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS. IT IT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF THIS PASSES TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING, EVERY TIME WE HAVE COURT IN 2013, THERE'S GONNA BE A ROAD IN THE PRECINCT COURT THAT WANTS TO COME IN TO THE COUNTY THAT IS A GRAVITY. YEAH. I MEAN, I MEAN, IT'S A DIRT TRAIL THAT GOES OFF THE COUNTY, COUNTY ROAD, DIRT TRAIL, ROCK TRAIL, WHAT IT, WHATEVER YOU GONNA CALL. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I AM. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. MY OPINION IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE, NOW THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN, COMMISSIONER MANNING PROBABLY HAS A POINT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW COMMISSIONER CLARK GOT, YEAH. MAYBE COMMISSIONER CLARK THAT HE WAS ABLE TO ROLL IN, BUT I, I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRST RESPONDERS, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE HAVE A HEART ATTACK OR SOMETHING, SOMEONE THAT THE LIKE OF FIRST RESPONDERS ANYWAY, SO I'M THE SAME WAY. WELL, THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF OUR CONCERNS THAT HAS BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING THAT, UH, IT JUST, AND, AND THE REASON WE DIDN'T DO IT LIKE COMMISSIONER CLARK DID, UH, I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND $70,000 A MILE TO BRING THOSE ROAD IN ANY ROADS IN, BUT I WAS, HE WAS SAYING THAT THEY HADN'T PAID FOR IT. THEY HAVEN'T CLARK BUT THE COUNTY, BUT THE COUNTY HAS PAID FOR IT. THE COUNTY HAS SPENT $70,000 ON EACH ONE OF THOSE MILES TO PUT THAT TOGETHER. WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA COLLECT THE MONEY FROM THESE PEOPLE TO DO THAT AND, AND THEY WON'T HAVE TO BE BILLED AT THE END OF THE TERM WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TO MOVE AND GET A LIEN PUT AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, THEY'RE SAVING THE COUNTY, UH, I DON'T KNOW, $60,000 A MILE BY DOING IT THEMSELVES. AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE BIGGEST THING WAS THE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT THEY NEED AMBULANCE SERVICE, THEY NEED, UH, FIRE TRUCK SERVICE, THEY NEED ALL OF THAT. BUT DID, DID JOHN GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE LAWYER SENT YOU? I DID. I THINK, UH, UM, ALLISON INVESTED, UH, A VERY GOOD JOB. AND THEY ALSO, UH, HAD, UH, I SAW TWO DIFFERENT MEMOS. I SAW THE ONE THAT'S ATTACHED AS AN EXHIBIT AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT HAD FORMS FOR, UH, AGENDA ITEM FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE DEDICATED ROAD AND ALSO COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER. UH, WHAT I WOULD BRING TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION, UM, IS THAT AT THE END OF THE MEMO THAT WAS PRESENTED WHERE IT SPEAKS ABOUT THE CONCLUSIONS THAT HE RECOMMENDS. AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD IDEA IF, IF Y'ALL DECIDE TO DO THIS EITHER WITH THIS ROAD OR WITH SOME OTHER ROAD, HE RECOMMENDS SPECIFIC FINDINGS BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF THAT THE PROPOSED ROAD HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR MANY YEARS. AND OF COURSE DESCRIBING WHERE IT STARTS, WHERE IT STOPS, AND UH, AND THE BOUNDARIES OF IT. AND ALSO THAT IT HAS A LONGSTANDING COMPETITIVE USE FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE IT IS. AND THE ANTICIPATED FUTURE USE IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE. WHICH I THOUGHT WAS SOMETHING, UH, INTERESTING TO ADD THAT KIND OF SOMETHING, I GUESS IN TERMS OF REFLECTING WHY YOU MAKE THE DECISION TO ACCEPT A ROAD THAT DOES NOT OTHERWISE MAKE THE COUNTY STANDARDS. UM, SO HE'S KIND OF, UH, JIM BASS HAS NOT SAID WE NEED TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT THIS ROAD, BUT HE SAID, HERE'S KIND OF THE STEPS [00:55:01] TO TAKE SHOULD WE DECIDE TO DO THIS OR TO, UH, ALLOW THIS ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. OKAY. WE WE'RE KIND OF IN A, IN AN UNUSUAL SITUATION. WELL, I I GUESS UNUSUAL IS THE RIGHT WORD BECAUSE YOU ARE LEADING COMMISSIONER. YEAH. AND THE NEW COMMISSIONER WILL BE INHERITED THIS. SO, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ELECT, UH, IF YOU WOULD STAND UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, UH, YOU'RE NOT, UH, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE DEALING WITH THIS, JENNY. SO WOULD YOU COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS, UH, ON ACCEPT ROAD? UH, WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS IN PAST WHEN YOU COME UP HERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS SINCE YOU'RE GONNA BE MAN ACCESS. IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF ABOVE. YES, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. UM, I, LOOKING AT THIS MEMORANDUM OF LAW AND, UH, KNOWING THE ROAD MY ENTIRE LIFE, UM, IT STARTED OUT AS A DRIVEWAY TO THE BEDROOM'S HOUSE. NO, IT STARTED, IT WAS TO TWO, IT WENT TO TWO FAMILIES. IT WENT TO THE JANET CHECKS AND TO THE BEDROOMS. IT NEVER WENT TO JUST ONE HOUSE. IN MY LIFETIME, THERE WAS ONLY ONE HOUSE. NEVER, NEVER WILLIE JEN. WHAT, WHICH JANET CHECK MEANT AT THE END OF, UH, MR. JOE EK SENIOR LIVED WHERE BY WELL, THAT BEFORE MY LIFE. THAT'S RIGHT. WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S NEVER BEEN, IT'S NEVER BEEN JUST ONE BROTHER. IN MY LIFETIME IT WAS A DRIVEWAY TO, TO JOE BATTERY'S HOUSE. AND THEN JANET CHECKS STARTED OFF SOME LAND, UH, ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF IT. THE, UH, I'M ASSUMING THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE LAND UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS A, A ROAD THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN SINCE IT WAS NOT A COUNTY ROAD. YEAH. UM, LOOKING AT THIS MEMORANDUM OF LAW UNDER LIABILITY FOR FAILURE TO MAINTAIN ROAD IN A SAFE MANNER, IT SAYS A GOVERNMENTAL UNIT IS LIABLE UNDER THE TEXAS COURT CLAIMS ACT, UM, FOR PERSONAL INJURY AND DEATH CAUSED BY WRONGFUL ACT OR MISSION OR THE NEGLIGENCE OF AN EMPLOYEE ACTING WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OF EMPLOYMENT. AND IT'S GOT SEVERAL ITEMS LISTED THERE. AND AT THE END OF IT SAYS, THEREFORE THE MANNER IN WHICH A COUNTY ROAD IS MAINTAINED USE OF TANGIBLE PROPERTY, IE THE PROPERTY USE OF ROAD MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT OR USE OF REAL PROPERTY, THE CONDITION OF THE COUNTY ROADS THEMSELVES MAY GIVE RISE TO LIABILITY FOR PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH. SO IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN THAT ROAD TO SOME DEGREE OF, UH, ACCEPTABILITY BECAUSE OF LACK OF FUNDS OR WHATEVER, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE COUNTY COULD BECOME LIABLE FOR ANY INJURY OR DEATH CAUSED ON THAT ROAD. AND ON PAGE THREE OF THE SAME, UH, MEMORANDUM LAW AND THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THAT PAGE, IT SAYS, ROADS AND PRIVATE SUBDIVISIONS SHOULD NOT IN TYPICAL CIRCUMSTANCES BE ACCEPTED INTO THE COUNTY SYSTEM FOR MAINTENANCE UNLESS THE ROAD IN QUESTIONS SERVES AS AN INTEGRAL CONNECTING ROADWAY TO ANOTHER ESTABLISHED COUNTY ROAD. UH, THIS IS A DEAD END ROAD. I I REALLY FEEL BAD FOR MISS BETTER BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEAT A ROAD TO DEATH. UM, BUT IN MY OPINION, THEY SHOULD FORM HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, TO MAINTAIN THIS ROAD. UH, WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CAMRY TO, TO WHAT WOULD BE, I THINK ACCEPT. SO, SO I, I SUGGEST YOU TAKE THIS, WE LOOK AT IT, MAKE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, UM, AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER. THANKS FOR COMING FORWARD. JUDGE. JUDGE, MAY I, MAY I STATE SOMETHING? SURE. YEAH. OUR SEDWICK LANE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM COUNTY ROAD 2 83. IN FACT, IN ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS IT MENTIONED, OUR ROAD IS 2 83 A. SO IT CAN BE A CONTINUATION ON TON COUNTY. WE HAVE PERSONALLY PAID MR. AL THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD. AND I FEEL THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE. I'M REALLY CONCERNED. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO THE COUNTY. WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS SINCE 2004. THIS ISN'T ANYTHING NEW. THE PRECEDENCE HAS BEEN SET. THESE ROBES WERE ACCEPTED AND I DOUBT THEY'VE HAD TO WORK AS HARD AS WE HAVE. SO PLEASE, I URGE YOU, WE HAVE A GUN RANGE THAT IS GOING IN THAT'S IN THAT WANTS TO GO THE OPERATION. WE'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT THE APPEAL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA BE BEGIN GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO STAY IN BUSINESS. AND THEY WANT TO OUT THERE SHOOTING THREE, EVEN 65 DAYS A YEAR. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DO GET INJURED AND WE CAN'T GET DOWN THAT LADDER AND WE PAID IT. NO, WE PAID OUR TAXES JUST LIKE ALL [01:00:01] THESE OTHER PEOPLE. THERE MAY BE SOME REAL ISSUES. SO PLEASE WE'RE NOT TALKING BUT LESS THAN A MILE ROCK ROAD THAT WE'RE GONNA PAY TO GET UP THE PARK. IT'S NOT LIKE THE PEOPLE IN DE WAY COURTNEY DRIVE. THEY DIDN'T PAY ANYTHING. WE AN ASPHALT. SO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK, JOHN. IF THIS, IF SOMETHING SERIOUS HAPPENED THAT AMBULANCE COULDN'T GET DOWN THAT ROAD THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, NOT A COUNTY ROAD BASICALLY, UH, AND SOMEONE DIED, COULD THE COUNTY EVER BE HELD LIABLE FOR THAT KIND OF A LIABILITY? I HATE TO ADMIT LIABILITY FOR THE COUNTY, BUT THE SHORT ANSWER I WOULD THINK WOULD BE NO. NUMBER ONE, WE'D BE KEPT UNDER THE TOR CLAIMS ACT OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DAMAGE IN ANY, BUT IF IT WAS NOT THE COUNTY ROAD, IT WOULD BE HARD TO KEEP US IN THE LAWSUIT. WOULD THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF CASE IF THEY SAID, HEY, WE CAME UP THERE 20 TIMES, I'D ASK YOU TO TAKE IT OVER AND YOU WOULDN'T AND NOW SOMEONE'S DIED. DOES THAT REACH INTO THAT GOOD MIND? OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CLARK WAS ASKED TO SPEAK AND THEN I'D LIKE COURSE TO EITHER HAVE AN UP AND DOWN VOTE ON SIFTING IT OR MAKING, UH, FIRST OF ALL THE REASON NOBODY'S PAID ON COURT DE AND DUMP ALL THOSE, THERE WAS A LEGAL ISSUE. WE HAVE THE COUNTY CLERK COLLECTED THE NUN, THEY WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS Y'ALL WENT THROUGH. THEY HAD A ELECTION OF ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON IT. Y'ALL VOTED TO DO IT. UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR ELECTION SAYS YOU'RE GONNA PAY $8,000 A PIECE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. WELL, YOU DIDN'T WANNA PAY 8,000 A PIECE. THESE PEOPLE AGREED TO PAY THE COST, FIXED THEIR ROAD OF AROUND, I CAN'T REMEMBER, $900 PER HOUSEHOLD OR WHATEVER. DID YOU SAY WE DID YOU SAY WE DIDN'T AGREE TO PAY $800, $8,000. NOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY 800. WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY EIGHT. BUT YOUR, BUT YOUR ELECTION SAID $8,000 PER HOME. THAT'S WHY IT WAS TABLED BACK THEN BECAUSE IT WASN'T FAIR TO CHARGE ALL $8,000 PER HOUSE STAFF. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL HAD VOTE ON. THAT'S WHY WE TABLED THE ELECTION RESULT BECAUSE IT WASN'T FAIR TO CHARGE ALL $8,000 PER HOUSEHOLD WHEN YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE DOING FOR 800. BUT YOUR ELECTION BALLOT THAT Y'ALL SIGNED, SENT IN SAID 8,000. IS THAT CORRECT, LAUREN, DO YOU REMEMBER? SO IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A MISTAKE. THERE WAS SOME KIND OF PROPERTY. AND IN TWO, IN 2004, IN 2007 IS WHEN WE DETERMINED WHAT WAS THE COUNTER AND WHAT WAS NOT. COUNTY ROAD, UH, COMMERCIAL ROUND MADE SOUND SEPARATE. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. BUT IT WASN'T BASICALLY ABOUT LIKE WHAT HE SAID. YEAH, YOU HAD TO HAVE A PRECEDENT THAT THAT WASN'T COUNTY ROAD BECAUSE IF YOUR NEIGHBOR SUED SAID, THAT'S NOT A COUNTY ROAD WE HAD TO GO TO BACK IT UP AND THERE WAS THREE CRITERIA YOU HAD TO HAVE ACCORDING LAW FIRM, TO TELL US WHAT WAS A COUNTY ROAD, WHAT WAS NOT A COUNTY ROAD. IF Y'ALL HAD COME IN HERE HINDSIGHT, A PRETTY GOOD TWIST ROADS OVER THERE. SAME WAY, THIS LONG LIST ROAD THAT Y'ALL GIVE TO US, RIGHT THERE WAS ON BACK YOUR TAX STATEMENT. I KNEW WHAT IT MEANT. I SAW IT AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. I DID GO DOWN THERE AND SAY, MY ROAD'S ON THERE. MY ROAD'S NOT ON THERE. IT WASN'T VERY WELL, NO, IT WAS COMPLICATED. IT WASN'T VERY WELL EDUCATE TO THE PUBLIC AND UH, I CAN'T APOLOGIZE TO THAT 'CAUSE THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME. BUT IN 2007, WE'VE GOT AN OFFICIAL LIST OF OUR ROADS. MM-HMM . I WOULD LIKE, I'VE GOT TWO ROADS EXACTLY LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'VE GOT FOUR HOUSES ON IT. THEY'VE GOT THE EXACTLY THE SAME ISSUES. I THERE TELL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL BUSES, PUBLIC SAFETY AMBULANCES, FIRE TRUCKS. I WOULD LOVE TO, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE THEM THERE IF THERE'S A LEGAL MECHANISM TO IT. I HAVEN'T FOUND A LEGAL MECHANISM. THE ONLY LEGAL MECHANISM THAT WE FOUND IS THIS CHAPTER 2 53 THAT KE THAT KELTON AND COURTNEY AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE VOTED ON. AND AS SOON AS WE FIND OUT HOW TO DO THIS WORDING, WE'LL LEAVE THEIR PROPERTIES. THAT AND FORTH OF THE STATUTE DOESN'T SHOW US. AND GIVE US AN EXAMPLE. OF COURSE, OF COURSE IT'S NOT IN YOUR PRECINCT ANYMORE, BUT MR. ROSA, WELL MONEY WILL GO TO PRECINCT ONE WHEN COMES IN. BUT BUT THEY DIDN'T PAY ANYTHING. THEY DID NOT PAY ANYTHING. NO MA'AM. BUT THE ROAD IS IN PRISTINE CONDITIONS. ALL THEIR ROADS ARE. MM-HMM. SO THEY'RE BEING MAINTAINED. NO, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SINCE WE DID. WHEN DID YOU FIX 'EM? TWO YEARS AGO. THE COUNTY HAS PAID THAT MONEY PRECINCT, THE, THE ROAD. PERFECT. THEY LOOK BRAND NEW PRECINCT ONE IS PAID THAT MONEY. BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ASKING PRECINCT ONES. NO, WE'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT EVEN ASKING ME. BUT I GUESS ONE QUESTION I GOT IS TO YOU IS, 'CAUSE I'M THINKING THAT'D BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR SITUATION AND SOME SITUATION. I'VE GOT THE SUBDIVISION PART. YEAH. WAS ALL THIS DONE BEFORE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE SUBDIVISION AS BEING EVEN A FACTOR. I DON'T THEY SAY THE LAW. THE LAW SAYS ANY DIVISION OR LEASE PROPERTY OF LESS THAN 10 ACRES IN THE COUNTY, FIVE ACRES. BTJ REQUIRES [01:05:01] A PLA IT'S A SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENT. WELL, BOB BASS, THE BOB TOLD ME THAT OVER THE PHONE THAT THIS WAS, THIS WAS NOT, THIS WAS DONE BEFORE OUR SUB REGULATIONS. BUT PLANNING, THAT'S WHAT PLANNING REQUIREMENT IS. YEAH. UNLESS THERE'S SOME EXEMPTIONS TO IT AND NOT ON SOME OF THIS MAY, ON SOME EXEMPTIONS. I DON'T DUNNO THAT. ALRIGHT. WE'VE HAD A, A HEALTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN BEING HERE. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING UP. AND UH, COMMISSIONER PLEA, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A, THAT WE ACCEPT INTO OUR, UH, UH, COUNTY MAINTENANCE ROAD SYSTEM. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER TO ACCEPT MR. LANE INTO THE, UH, KAMAN COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND AND THIRD FINAL TIME? DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. MOTION DIES FOR LAST AND SECOND. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON INTO, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS HERE ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF MAKE IT TWO HONOR ALL, UM, PRECINCT THREE PRECINCT EVEN ON COMPLAINTS INVESTIGATED. THESE INCLUDED COMPLAINTS THAT PEOPLE CALLED IN ABOUT SYSTEMS COMPLAINTS THAT WERE GENERATED, PEOPLE THAT NOT, DID NOT RENEW CONTRACTS OR MAINTENANCE PROVIDERS WHO DID NOT DO THE TYPE OF WORK THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO. WERE 218 COMPLAINTS. FOLLOW UPS FOR PHYSICAL, ACTUAL, PHYSICAL SITE OF THIS IS 1 45 AND THE COURT CASES THAT WERE FILED HUNDRED 16TH OUR ADDRESSES, WE ONLY HAD 17 FOR NOVEMBER AND SLOPE FOR DECEMBER. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE 200 CEPTION SYSTEM ADDRESSES ARE GONNA BE THE SAME ON THE GIS GEO CODE ACCURACY. IT IS THE SAME FOR OCTOBER. THE REPORTS THAT GAVE US WERE TWO WEEKS APART. SO THERE, UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I REALLY WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS THE SECOND PAGE REPORT FOR THE YEARS OVERVIEW OF THE GIS ACCURACY. UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST COMBINE, WE DISCOVER PROBLEM BACK IN AUGUST. THE ADDRESSES THAT ARE IN DALLAS COUNTY, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY MAP ACCESS TO. SO THAT'S THE REASON IT WENT FROM 98% ACCURATE DOWN TO 81 BECAUSE IT GOT DUMP OFF WHEN WE STARTED GOING, WE GET A, A PRINTOUT OF ALL THE ERROR REPORTS. WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THOSE AND GOING THROUGH ADDRESS, BY ADDRESS, BY ADDRESS, SEVERAL OF THE ADDRESSES WERE ACTUALLY IN DALLAS COUNTY IN THE INCORPORATED AREA OF THE COUNTY FOR WHICH AFFECTED OUR RESULTS, BROUGHT THE CAUSE ATTENTION. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FIXING THAT AND GIVING US THAT LITTLE PORTION OF COMBINE. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY DISPATCHED BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. IT IS NOT A LOT, BUT IT WILL AFFECT THE NUMBERS QUITE A BIT. AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET THE ISSUE WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY ADDRESSES THAT ARE IN INCORPORATED AREA OF DALLAS COUNTY THAT ARE SHOWING UP OUR ERROR REPORTS. SO WHICH PART OF COMBAT IS IT? THAT'S WHERE THE, WHERE THE CONFLICT IS. IS IT ON FAR OUT THE ROAD THAT GOES SOUTH? NO, NO, NO. WE'RE TALKING ON THE DALLAS COUNTY SIDE. WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING UP ERROR REPORTS. WE'RE GETTING HIT WITH ERRORS THAT ARE IN DALLAS COUNTY. SO THAT'S GOTTA BE, IT DOES GOTTA BE CORRECTED. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE A LOT OF THE ERRORS THAT WHEN WE STARTED BACK A YEAR AGO WERE 0% OR 24%. MISTY AND DANNY DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB GETTING US UP INTO ANYWHERE FROM THE LOWER SEVENTIES UP INTO THE HIGH NINETIES. AND IT'S JUST A CONTINUAL GETTING THE ERROR REPORTS, FIXING THE ERRORS AND GOING BACK AND ADJUSTING LINES AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. ONE BAD THING IS THE GUY THAT WAS IN CHARGE AT COG OF DOING OUR GIS, THEY SPLIT, THEY BASICALLY SPLIT THE, THE COUNTY AND OUR HAS RESIGNED I THINK HIS LAST TODAY. SO WE DUNNO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. I MAY HAVE MORE REPORTS FOR YOU. I MAY NOT. I DON'T HAVE, YEAH, HOPEFULLY. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. NOT I MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PUBLIC WORK COURT FOR NOVEMBER 12. A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN. DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION [01:10:01] DISCUSSION? UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REAPPOINTMENT OF THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR A TWO YEAR TERM. UH, YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE, UH, THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. UH, THIS HERE TONIGHT. UH, LARRY, WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE TIME. I HOPE YOU'RE AS WELL. I'M NOT EVEN NOT FOR DISCUSSION COMMENTS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, REGARDING THIS? I THAT MOTION, UH, TO EXTEND THE FORM, UH, MR. EWING'S, UH, APPOINTMENT FOR TWO YEARS FROM COMMISSIONER REV. I SECOND MOTION'S ALREADY HAVE. SO, UH, JCS ALREADY DONE THAT. UH, ANY DISCUSSION? I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LARRY. YES, SIR. UM, YOU APPARENTLY, LARRY, YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND UH, UH, YOU GOT ABOUT 15 LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION HERE FROM, FROM EVERYBODY ALL OVER THE COUNTY, BUT, UH, MAYBANK AND KEN. YES, SIR. AND, UH, IS THERE A PARTICULAR WITH, WITH, UH, FIRE CHIEF BEAVERS? HE COMES THROUGH AND SEES ME IN THE OFFICE JUST ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS AND I JUST PERSONALLY ASKED HIM LAST WEEK, IS EVERYTHING STILL OKAY? AND HE SAID, LIKE, HE ALWAYS DOES TO ME. IF THERE WASN'T, I'D COME TO YOU AND WE'D DISCUSS IT. OKAY. SO I DIDN'T ASK HIM FOR ANYTHING. I REALLY ASSUMED I CONVERSATION. THERE WAS NO REASON FOR ME TO TAKE IT ANY FURTHER. I JUST, I JUST, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON, TOM. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL IN GOOD RELATIONSHIPS DOWN THERE BECAUSE EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. AND I'M SORRY THAT THERE'S THAT PERSONALITY COMING. WE JUST, WE JUST NEED TO KEEP UP, NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THEM DOWN THERE. WE ABSOLUTELY WILL. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN TAKEN CARE OF. I JUST, AND I'M WORKING ON IT CONSTANTLY. I VERY GOOD. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED ALL ADAM. NUMBER NINE IS TO PRESENT AND ACCEPT THE FIRE MARSHAL END OF THE YEAR REPORT. JUST LENGTH QUESTION. YES SIR. BUT I THINK WE CUT DOWN TO, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE ONE PAGE DOCUMENT. IF YOU, I FIRES OFFICE RESPONSIBLE FOR INVESTIGATING ALL FIRE MUNICIPALITIES REQUEST IN THIS, UH, YEAR AS OF 12 0 3 12. OUR DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATED, I BELIEVE THAT'S UP TO TWO 80 NOW. FIRE OF WHICH, AND THAT'S PROBABLY 82 TRUCTURE FIRE TIME. THESE OF COURSE CAN TAKE SEVERAL HOURS, MANY DAYS DEPENDING ON THE TYPES AND THE NEED. AND SOMETIMES THEY ACTUALLY GO INTO WEEKS AND EVEN MONTHS OF TRYING TO RUN DOWN LEADS. WE RESPOND TO BURN COMPLAINTS, DETERMINE TO BE LEGAL PRODUCTS BEING DISPOSED OF REQUIR CITATION TO BE ISSUED. AND DURING BURN VANS, ALL FIRE CALLS ARE FORWARDED TO OUR OFFICE AS WELL AS BEING DISPATCHED TO THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO WE CAN GO OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. PRIMARY CONTACT REQUEST ASSISTANCE FROM THE SERVICE. AND I KNOW AS TOM KNOWS, WE'VE USED THEM SEVERAL TIMES ON IN OUR COUNTY THIS PAST YEAR. WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY FOR ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INSPECTIONS INCORPORATED AREAS OF COUNTY. WE'VE ISSUED 48 PERMITS FOR INSPECTIONS. SAME THING ON THOSE. WE HAVE SEVERAL GOING BEFORE LONG TAKE A YEAR OR MORE TO HAVE SOMEBODY GO BACK AND FORTH OUT THERE AND WORK ON IT. AND UH, OUR FIREWORK STANDS WE'RE VERY PROUD, EXCEED THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE, SURPASSED COUNTY FOR LIFE SAFETY ASPECTS. WE DID A DAYCARE, FOSTER HOMES ASSISTED LIVING. THE TOTAL BAGS OF THESE PROJECTS FOR THE YEAR WAS 20 MILLION POUNDS UNDER 97,000 4 68. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT MAJORITY OF THAT WAS THE FIRE CODES BROUGHT IN 40 3008 65 ON PROJECTS OF PERMIT THIS YEAR. AND ATTACHED IS A LIST OF THOSE. UM, I DON'T THINK I'LL GO THROUGH THE REST OF IT. YOU ALREADY KNOW THE PAM HELPING ME OUT. WE GOT A SECOND GRANT BY THE WAY THAT WE'LL PRESENT HERE BEFORE TOO LONG. AND WE PASSED OUT SOME INFORMATION TO THE FIRE CHIEF ASSOCIATION MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT. WE'LL HOPE THAT SOME OF THOSE GUYS WILL TURN IN THAT SAME PAPERWORK AND MAYBE BE ABLE TO GET THEIR THOUSAND DOLLARS GRANT ON IT TOO. SO SHE HELP APPRECIATE COUNTY. I'VE MET WITH THEM OVER THERE. THEY HAVE NOW ESTABLISHED A FIRE CODE PASSED BY COURT MODEL THAT BUYERS PRETTY PROUD THAT THAT'S GOING ON NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS TO US. AND WE ALSO BUILT THE HELP ANY TIME WE CAN. AND THERE'S A NEW BILL GOING TO LEGISLATURE NOW THAT'S GOING TO BY THE FIRE MARSHAL [01:15:01] AND THE STATE OF TEXAS TRYING TO GET PASSED WHERE ANY COUNTY WILL 75,000 MORE POPULATION CAN ENACT A FIRE CODE OF SOME NATURE. WHEREAS NOW AS YOU KNOW, IT'S TIED TO BEING ADJACENT TO A COUNTY WITH I BELIEVE 250,000 RESIDENTS OF THE DALLAS IS HOW WE DO IT. SO WE'RE KIND LOOKING FORWARD SOME THE OTHER THAT ALSO. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD 9 35 CALLS PER SERVICE IN THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S LISTED ON YOUR VERY LAST PAGE. AND FIREWORKS STANDS FOR 68TH OF THE YEAR. AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMING UP AGAIN FOLKS STARTING ON THE 20TH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THAT ONE LIST THAT SHOWS THESE VALUES AND NUMBERS, THOSE ARE THE, THE REASON IF YOU SEE ONE THAT HAS NOTHING ON IT, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING PROPERTY AND IT'S JUST AN INSPECTION OF SOME KIND. THE ONE YOU SEE WHERE THERE'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT OUT BESIDE IT. THOSE ARE IN FACT PROPERTIES THAT WERE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE COUNTY. AND THEN THE VERY LAST PAGE SHOWS THAT SAME PERIOD THAT I GAVE YOU EARLIER, 27 ON PROPERTY VALUES ON THOSE NEW PROPERTIES AND THE TOTAL FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR PROGRAM, WHICH IS 116 MILLION, SOME ODD DOLLARS. UH, THE OTHER ONE WAS BURN BAND VIOLATIONS GO THROUGH AT IT CONVENIENCE OVER THIS PAST SEASON. AND THEN THE LAST DOCUMENT WAS IN FACT WHERE I JUST SAID IT WAS THE, UH, NINE $35 FOR SERVICE. THAT'S BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WITH THEM ON. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER JACKSON? MAKE SAID MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER ROUTE. SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. CAN I TAKE ONE MOMENT? OUTGOING? SURE. 50. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 10 IS COPY OF THAT. ANY COMMENTS FROM OUR EXPENDITURES ARE RIGHT AT LIKE 14% FOR THE SECOND MONTH AND IF YOU'RE GOING THE SECOND MONTH, YOU'D BE AT ALMOST 17%. SO EVERYBODY'S STILL STAYING BUDGET, ALTHOUGH OUR REVENUES ARE DOWN. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NORMAL. WE GOT, JOAN HAD SENT US AN EMAIL, SO WE GOT SOME MONEY IN THERE FROM THEOR. SO THINGS ARE COMING BACK UP. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. YOUR OKAY. AND WE HAVE CLOSED THE, THE LAST FISCAL YEAR AND SO NOW YOUR, YOUR BALANCES SHOULD BE GOOD. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR BINDER. HAS THE OUTSIDE AUDITOR SHOWED UP YET? NO, THEY'RE NOT SCHEDULED TO COME UNTIL HEARING. OKAY. THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THEIR FIELD, BUT THEY'LL FINISH THEIR, THE AUDIT WE HAD LAST YEAR? YES SIR. ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SO MAY COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION TO HAVE SECOND. SECOND. COMMISSIONER SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ITEM NUMBER 11, MURPHY TO ACCEPT TAX. HAVE A COPY OF THAT. YOU SHOULD HAVE. YES. YES, WE DO DO SO FAR IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, THE GENERAL FUND WE'VE COLLECTED 1.9 MILLION AND ROAD AND BRIDGE TWO 10,000 EACH CASE AT 7%. THE LETTER, LITTLE GOOD NEWS, MS. AUDITOR, IS TODAY WE RECEIVED A CHECK FOR A ELECTRONIC DEPOSIT FOR $8.9 MILLION FROM A MORTGAGE BANK, WHICH BY ITSELF WILL MORE THAN DOUBLE THE COUNTY SHARE OF, UH, COLLECTIONS. AGREE. GLAD I HAD SOMETHING POSITIVE. THAT'S, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION. ACCEPT THE TAX SESSION. FOURTH NOVEMBER THOUSAND. SO MAY COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND. YES, MR. JACKSON? SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ALL SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ALL? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SKIP, UH, SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE FOLKS HERE THAT HAVE A LONG WAY TO TRAVEL. WE GET THROUGH AND WE HAVE SOME SIGNED. SO IF YOU WOULD [01:20:01] GET DOWN TO ITEM 20, SALE NINE, 5 MILLION IN COUNTY TEXAS TAX. NO. 13 CONTINUED DIRECT ANNUAL AT THE TAX ON ALL PROPERTY COUNTY PAY THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON SAID NOTE CREATE A FOR THE REDEMPTION THEREOF AND THE ASSESSMENT AND COLLECTION OF SUCH TAXES AUTHORIZING THE SALE THEREOF, ENACT PROVISIONS INCIDENT AND RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE TAX NOTICE. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, REGIONAL 9 1 1 CENTER THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE DAVID MENDEZ HERE FROM, UH, LIQUOR STAFF, UH, AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM, UH, THE, UH, FIRST SOUTHWEST GEORGE IS NOT ABLE TO SEE WITH US GEORGE. SO WE HAVE, UH, HIS ABLE ASSISTANT, UH, WITH, YES, GOOD EVENING, JUDGE UHERS, DAVID MENEZ WILL BE YOUR STAFF HERE AS BOND COUNCIL ON THE TRANSACTION. ERIC S GONNA DO A, A SHORT REPORT FOR YOU ALL ON THE, UH, PRICING HE WAS ABLE TO FOR THE THROUGH. AND THEN I'LL, UH, FOLLOW UP, UH, TO GO OVER WITH YOU THE RESOLUTION. YOU SEE THE WING BID FIRST TAKE BANK IN BAT. UH, THE EFFECTIVE RATE CAME IN AT 1.12%. YOU MIGHT LOOK BELOW THAT. UH, THE NEXT TABLE WAS REGION THE BANK. YOU NOTICE THAT THE INTEREST RATE WAS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THE, THAN THE GREEN BIDDER. WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS THROUGH OUR MODEL, UH, WE EXPRE WOULD'VE CHARGED ON TOP OF THEIR BID. THE COUNTY'S ACTUALLY SAVING ABOUT NINE, ACCEPTING THE OLD ATTORNEYS ALWAYS GET THEIR MONEY . IT IS BUILT INTO THE FIRST STATE BANK INTO THEIR BID, BUT, UM, EVERYTHING'S PUT SIDE BY SIDE ABOUT 900. UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ACCEPT THE BID FROM FIRST STATE BANK OF ATHENS. UH, DOWN BELOW THE BOX, UH, FEW SPECIFICS ON THE TRANSACTION. THE FUNDS WOULD BE DELIVERED JANUARY 10TH, UM, 1.45 MILLION PROCEEDS. UH, THE REST WILL GO TOWARDS THE ISSUANCE COSTS. UH, FIRST PRINCIPLE WILL BE DUE, UH, FEBRUARY 15TH, 2014. AND THEN SEMIANNUAL INTEREST PAYMENT SIMILAR TO THE COUNTY'S EXISTING BOND DEBT SERVICE. THEREAFTER, IT'S A SEVEN YEAR NOTE OBLIGATION. FINAL PAYMENTS FEBRUARY, 1519. IN THE NEXT PAGE, I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT THE STRUCTURE OF THE TAX NOTES COLUMN B, C, AND D. THESE ARE THE PRINCIPLE ON COUNTY COUNTY'S EXISTING BOND OBLIGATIONS. UH, YOU'LL NOTICE IN FISCAL 14 THERE'S A MORE OR LESS HOLE IN SERVICE DONE WITH THE TAX NOTES. UH, WE FILLED IN THAT HOLE IN THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE. SO THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE TAX NOTES IS SHOWN IN COLUMN EFG AND THEN THE AGGREGATE TOTAL COLUMN H. SO IN TOTAL, WHEN LOOKING AT THE EXISTING BOND DEBT PLUS THE TAX NOTES HERE BEFORE YOU DENY THE TOTAL DEBT SERVICE ACTUALLY DECLINE ABOUT $300,000, UM, FROM FISCAL 13 TO 14. AND THEN IT'S AROUND 1.74 MILLION THEREAFTER. SO THE ACTUAL TAX PAYMENTS GO DOWN ARE THE ACTUAL AMOUNT BE PAYING TAXES, WHICH THAT 303 50, 60,000? YES, THAT ACTUALLY IS ABOUT LIKE THREE QUARTER OF ON BECAUSE, AND 1% INTEREST. I'D LIKE TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT. WE ARE ALL TIME LOW 47 YEAR LOADS IN THE MUNICIPAL MARKET, TERMS OF INTEREST RATES. SO WE COULD HAVE ASKED FOR TIME TO THIS TAKE PLACE IN TERMS OF INTEREST. SURE, THAT'S GOOD NEWS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HEARING? THANK YOU SIR. DAVID, YOU WANNA COME FORWARD AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME THINGS. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK BEFORE SIGN HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT. YOUR HONOR, UH, MEANS THE COURT, UH, I PREPARED A RESOLUTION AND AN ORDER FOR THE COURT TO SIGN BY, UH, A MOTION. AND SECOND ON THAT ORDER, YOU CAN BRING THAT FORWARD FOR A VOTE. THAT ORDER INCORPORATES ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE, UH, UH, OFFER THAT WAS MADE TO YOU ALL. IT AUTHORIZES, UH, WHEN PASSED BY THE COMMISSIONERS AUTHORIZES THE JUDGE TO EXECUTE AND ACCEPT THAT OFFER FROM THE BANK AND THEN AUTHORIZE THIS, THE JUDGE, THE COUNTY AUDITOR [01:25:01] AND THE TREASURER TO, UH, SIGN THE DOCUMENTS THAT I'LL TAKE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TOMORROW, UH, FOR GETTING THE TRANSACTION APPROVED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. ONCE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, UH, ISSUES HIS OPINION AS WELL AS, AND THAT COMBINED WITH OURS, WE WILL THEN PROPOSE TO, TO DELIVER THE BONDS IN EARLY JANUARY. I THINK IT'S JANUARY 10TH, THE DELIVERY DATE. SO WE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THAT TRANSACTION DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS OR THE ORDER. I GOT ANY QUESTION. I HAVE ONE PROCEDURAL PART I SUPPOSE. UH, THE GENESIS HAS 1.495, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ISSUE 1.50. YES. UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE PRICING THAT WAS OBTAINED, ABLE TO SIZE THE, THE OFFER A LITTLE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, UH, IN ORDER, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THE THINGS YOU NEED. AND SO YOU WERE ABLE TO DO IT FOR A LITTLE LESS MONEY, UH, IN, IN, IN DEBTS OR, OR CAUSES THE COUNTY TO HAVE A SMALLER DEBT BECAUSE OF THIS, THE, THE SMALL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY POSTED, UH, BECAUSE IN EXCESS OF, OF WHAT ARE ACTUALLY ISSUED, THERE REALLY IS NO PROBLEM WITH FROM AN OPEN MEETING STANDPOINT, LESS, LESS WHAT WE APPROVE. SURE. WE, I THINK WE JUST GOT A BETTER DEAL MAXIMUM. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MOTION? UH, WELL, UH, THERE IS AN ORDER PREPARED FOR YOU. UH, MR. MA HAS EXTRA COPIES OF IT. YOU CAN DISTRIBUTE THOSE TO, UH, WE COURT ONE, ONE. THIS ONE? YEAH. JUST, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT. SO BASICALLY THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE ORDER PRESENTED BY BOND COUNSEL, UH, ISSUING AN AUTHORIZING COUNTY TO ISSUE BOND. THE, THE, OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A COPY OF WHAT THAT ORDER IS, MA AND YOU, YOU CAN SEE AT THE AT PAGE, UH, FOUR, IF YOU OPEN THAT PAGE FOUR, YOU'LL SEE THE TERMS OF THOSE NOTES AND THE THAT WERE ISSUED ON PAGE THERE BEFORE WE, UH, ASK ON THAT. I, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE, UH, WE NOT ONLY, I MEAN WE, WE'VE HAD A, A PRETTY GOOD OF LUCK AS FAR AS ESTABLISHING THE NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER. NOT ONLY WERE WE GIVEN THE NATIONAL GUARD ARMORY PLUS FOUR ACRES OF LAND THAT IT, BUT BY REFINANCING THIS DEBT AND THE OLD DEBT THAT WE HAD, WE ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO SEE A NET DECREASE $356,000 IN OUR BOND REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE EXTREMELY FORTUNATE, OF COURSE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LIKE MANY OTHER GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE REFINANCING BOND. WE'RE EXTREMELY FORTUNATE THAT WE HIT THE TIMING ON THIS REALLY COULDN'T BE ANY BETTER. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT, UH, FIRST SOUTHWEST HAS PUT INTO THIS. AND, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, THE BANK, IF ATHLETES PRETTY GAVE US A GOOD, UH, GOOD PRICE. I'D ALSO MENTION TO YOU HAVE WE TRIED TO DO THIS A YEAR OR TWO AGO BECAUSE OF OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD SIGN THAT WE'RE KIND OF ON THE ROAD TO RECOVERY IN THAT REGARD TOO. SO, AT ANY RATE, WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE TABLE AND I'LL ACCEPT NOW A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDER AS UH, OUTLINED. SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MARTIN? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROUT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. AYE. OPPOSED? AND DAVID, BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN, WE HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, UH, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING NEED TO SIGN SOME THINGS, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. BUT ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 21, THAT IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT AND APPROVE REGARDING THE SUBMISSION OF THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL BILL 18 COMPLIANCE REPORT, INCLUDING AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN THE RESPONSE TO DIRECT THE TRANSMITTAL TO THE TEXAS CONTROLLER AS REQUIRED BY STATUTE. WE HAD DONE THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT UH, UH, UH, KIM HAD, UH, SENT US SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SOME ADDITIONAL STATUTE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED TO THAT, AND WE'VE GOTTA GET IT BACK TO CHUCK BY WEDNESDAY. SO WE'RE GONNA LET YOU THAT BACK TONIGHT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. YES, JUDGE, I'VE BEEN VISITING AND PREPARED, TAKE THAT BACK. OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, THAT PRESERVES, UH, THE VARIOUS POWERS OF THE COUNTY, UH, BY REPORTING THEM WITH THE CONTROLLERS SO THAT, UH, FOR FUTURE USE, UH, YOU THESE POWERS THAT WERE COVERED BY, UH RIGHT. IT COVERS EVERY STATUTE THAT HAD INVOLVED IN THAT. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL AHEAD AND ON THAT BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK TO SIGN THE PAPERS [01:30:01] AND JUDGE, I MIGHT NOTE, JUST, UM, THAT CHUCK KIMBRO'S LIST WAS MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THE LIST THAT , WHICH IS A POINT OF PRODUCT FOR CHUCK KIMBRO FOR EVERYONE THAT'S, THAT KNOWS HOW DETAIL ORIENTED HE IS. THAT'S NO SURPRISE. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED THE COURT BRING THAT UP. I KNOW HE WORKED ON IT EXTENSIVELY. I WOULDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING LESS THOROUGH TO ANOTHER CONVENTION. YEAH. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 21. UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN MAKES THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER JACKSON SECOND MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OPPOSED. LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ALONG, KIND OUT AND, UH, THIS NEXT ONE WILL BE ITEM NUMBER 22 TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER EXITING THE RECORD AND ENTERING INTO A PUBLIC. I HAVE DO THAT. UH, COMMISSIONER JACKSON MAKES THAT MOTION. AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BROWN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A A ALL AND UH, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM PUBLIC REGARDING THE PROPOSED RE OF LOTS. ONE R DASH 10 R BLOCK 15 SHADOW LAKES PHASE THREE SUBDIVISION IN COLTON COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER PER COMMISSION. YES. UH, THIS IS, UH, THE ONE OFF THROUGH 10 IN THE SHALLOW LAKES SUBDIVISION AND THEY HAVE LAKES, SOME ROAD, THE ROAD THAT GOING MAP. ALRIGHT, THIS IS WHERE THE GOSPEL ASIA DEVELOPMENT IS GOING. WELL THAT'S NOT THE SAME PLACE IT'S ADJACENT TO. IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RANCH. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT, TELL US WHAT YOU GOT. UH, THIS IS PHASE THREE OF SHADOW LAKES. IT IS ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN SEE THERE AT SOME POINT, UH, AROUND THE LAKE. AND IT RUNS ON COUNTY ROAD THREE 15 OVER THERE. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WE BUILT THIS CANYON LAKE ROAD THROUGH THAT COUNTY ROAD. UH, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THAT. UH, WHAT WE HAD PLANTED WAS ALSO THIS BIL AND CATTLE CREEK TRIBE, AS YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE WITH, WITH SMALLER ONE ACRE, TWO THREE ACRE TYPE LOT. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE TO DO IS TO RELA THE 40 OR SO ONE AC LOT, 10 LARGER LOTS, NINE AND A HALF ACRES. ONE THAT'S 10, TWO AND THREE, THAT'S ALL THESE HERE. YES. YOU SEE SHADED BACK THERE LINING WHAT YOU SEE LINES. ALL OF THESE LOTS, UH, HAVE, UH, ADEQUATE FRONTAGE ON THE EXISTING ROAD. SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ANY STREET. THE WATER LINES ARE ALL HERE. THE ELECTRIC LINES ARE ALL HERE VALLEY. SO THERE'S NO MORE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED FOR THIS RELINE. WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE PAVING THAT'S ALREADY THERE. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. SO, UH, IT'S 24 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE STREET COUNTY STANDARDS. UH, SO, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY, UH, ABOUT THE, WELL, THIS WILL BE THE LAST PHASE PROBABLY. GUESS WE STARTED THIS IN OH FIVE. THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF PROPERTY SUBDIVISION. YES, SIR. MY, MY CONVERSATION [01:35:01] WITH, UH, UH, MR, THEY SEEM THINK THAT IT MAY BE LARGER IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK CLOSER THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE DOTTED LINE BACK THERE THAT SAID CATTLE CREEK, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROAD NOT GOING STRAIGHT ON BACK ROAD. ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED WITH IS SUPPOSED TO BE FIXED COUNT ROLL THREE 15. SO UNDER IMPRESSION THAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS SELL FIRST TWO TAKE. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. MAKE SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T NO, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT SAID THAT BEFORE WE FINISHED COMMUNITY, UH, THE COUNTY WOULD BLADE THAT ROAD, GET IT NICE, AND THEN WE WOULD TOP IT. AND WE INTEND TO DO THAT. WE FULLY INTEND TO DO THAT. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS REFL IS AS EVERYBODY WELL AWARE OF, THE ECONOMY TOOK A HARD DIVE A FEW YEARS AGO AND ALL THE BANKS PUT LOAN AND CONSTRUCTION MONEY AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT GOT PRETTY TOUGH THERE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND LOOKING AT THIS PLA WE FOUND A WAY THAT WE CAN FINISH THIS THING OUT, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND ANOTHER SEVEN, 800,000 IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE. RIGHT. KIND BRING IT TO AN END. I THINK IT'S TIME TO GET IT BROUGHT TO ME AND WE DEFINITELY ON DOING THAT. UM, AND THEN THIS, THIS HAS BEEN POSTED. I SEE WHAT IT'S BEEN POSTED. HAVE HELP RESIDENCE. DID Y'ALL NOTIFY THE RESIDENCE OF UH, YES SIR. IN FACT, I GOT AN EMAIL RIGHT AS I WAS PULLING IN THE PARKING LOT. ONE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT GOT APPROVED AND THAT, SO I TOLD HER I'D EMAIL HER AS SOON AS THE COURT WAS OPEN. AND I SHOULDA HAVE SAID THAT MR. JACKSON, CYNTHIA DID HELP US GET IT POSTED DIRECTLY IN PAPER. THREE CONSECUTIVE WEEKS AND JUST IN COURT STATUTE. YEAH, I COPIES, I GOT COPIES OF THAT. UM, YOU SAY IS, IS THIS A WRITTEN AGREEMENT, UH, THAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO BLADE AND PREP THE ROAD AND Y'ALL GOING, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TOP IT WITH? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THE AGREEMENT, I DON'T HAVE A COPY WITH ME, BUT IT IS IN WRITING THOUGH. UH, BETWEEN UNIT COMMISSIONER? NO, IT WAS DONE BEFORE. UH, COMMISSIONER JACKSON WAS HERE. I OBJECT. YEAH, COMMISSIONER. YES. THEY, THEY'RE GONNA ASPHALT THE ROAD WHEN WE IT IS IN, THIS WAS MADE IN THIS IN 2005. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER, UH, SO THAT THEY WOULD, UH, THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF IT WHEN THEY HELP, WHEN THEY PHASE OUT THE SUBDIVISION. OKAY. MY MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, UH, HE'S ASPHALT. I THINK HE, YOU'LL BE IN OFFICE. I I'LL FIND THE DOC. I'M SURE THERE'S A COPY IN OFFICE. DON'T THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD HAVE THAT. I'D LIKE TO SEE. I'D LIKE SEE, I I'M GONNA WRITE IT ON MY YES, SIR. SO YOU'RE SAYING AN ASPHALT NOW? NO, I'M SAYING THE DOCUMENT I'M TALKING ABOUT, MY RECOLLECTION WAS CHIP CITY, I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP IT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS WAS DUST ON THE ROAD, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE SHADOW LAKE RESIDENTS ARE USING THAT ROAD. I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOING OUT THE CONCRETE ROAD. WELL, NO, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT GONNA COMING OUT THERE WITH AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE ROCK ROAD, THEY'RE STILL COMING OUT THERE. YES, SIR. WHATEVER THE AGREEMENT SAYS, I, I THOUGHT I'M PRETTY SURE IT SAYS CHIP SEAL, BUT IF IT SAYS ASPHALT, DO ASPHALT NUMBER ONE ON HERE SAYS NO RESIDENTIAL LOT LOCK IN THIS SUBDIVISION. PREVENT HAVING TO LET VEHICLE OR ACCESS TO COUNTY ROAD THREE 15. THAT'S CORRECT. EVIDENCE CAN'T HAVE ANY OFF. I'LL THE BACK OF THE, I'LL COME. IF YOU CAN EMAIL THAT TO US, WE'LL GET IT TO THE COMMISSIONER. YES, SIR. THE, THE SIGNED DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE BACK SAME TIME AS Y'ALL DO THAT YOU DO. . . ALRIGHT, THIS, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, ANY OF THE, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEN I'LL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE. NO. ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON, UH, THE REFL OF THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION? ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK? GENTLEMEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? NO, SIR. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. GET YOU GUYS TO MOVE FORWARD. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, EXIT PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER BACK [01:40:01] INTO A RECORD MEETING? COMMISSIONER, MAKE SECOND MOTION. COMMISSIONER, YOU WANT SECOND THAT I'LL SECOND ANYTHING DEAR SECOND, FROM COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. DISCUSS NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 25. DISCUSSED CONSIDERING ONE R THROUGH DASH 10 R BLOCK 15 THREE COUNTY PRECINCT. I'LL MAKE A CLARIFICATION OF LANGUAGE AND THEY'RE GONNA EMAIL THAT THREE 15 MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, SECOND, SECOND. COMMISSIONER CLARK SECOND THAT MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? I NEED CLARIFICATION ON PENDING. HE SAID PENDING CLARIFICATION OF THE COUNTY ROAD. AND YOU SAID PENDING RECEIPT. PENDING THE RECEIPT CONCERNING THE, WHETHER IT'S ASPHALT OR CHIP SEAL, THEY'RE GONNA EMAIL THAT TO US AND WE'LL DISTRIBUTE TO THE COMMISSIONERS. IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT, RIGHT. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO BACK UP TO ITEM NUMBER 12 NOW AND, UH, THAT'D BE OUR SHERIFF TO DISCUSS, UH, REGARDING MANAGEMENT FOR THE COUNTY JAIL. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. DISCUSS? YES, ADAM, SHERIFF. WELL, THANK YOU. UH, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, SOME WAYS TO, UH, TRY TO, UH, IMPROVE OUR OPERATION OUT THERE. ONE OF THE WAYS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SO-CALLED PRIVATIZATION OF THE JAIL. UH, BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT WE LEASE THE JAIL TO A PRIVATE COMPANY AND THEN PAY THEM TO HOLD OUR PROOF. UH, WE, WE'VE TALKED TO TWO COMPANIES WHERE WE'RE JUST GETTING INTO THAT. IT'S, IT'S, UH, NOT QUITE THAT SIMPLE. , UH, WE HAVE SOME UNIQUE PROBLEMS, UH, IN THIS COUNTY. ONE IS THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT, A MEMORANDUM UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CITY OF KAUFMAN THAT WE WILL HOLD THEIR MENT FREE, UH, FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS, UH, TO, FOR THE GIVING THE, UH, UH, BUILDING PERMIT FEES ON THE BILL. YET WE ALSO, AS YOU'RE AWARE, YOU KNOW, WE HOLD ALL THE SMALLER PDS FOR FREE OF CHARGE. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. BUT WE'RE JUST IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES OF THIS. UH, THERE ARE ABOUT PROBABLY LESS THAN 10% OF THE JAILS, UH, IN THE COUNTY THAT IN THE STATE THAT ARE, UH, IN THIS SYSTEM. UH, IF YOU GO AND START LOOKING AT THERE AS MANY, UH, HORROR STORIES, THERE ARE SUCCESS STORIES. SO IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR SITUATION IS. WE'RE LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT THAT. WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE TALK TO TWO COMPANIES. UH, UH, JUDGE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN IT WITH US. SO WE'VE GOT I THINK SOME SAMPLE RFPS AND RF QS AND, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AT THOSE. UH, THE, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT AND JUST SEEING HOW, UH, HOW THAT WOULD WORK OUT FOR US. AND, UH, OF COURSE THE DOWNSIDE OF IT IS IF YOU GO TO THE PRIVATIZATION, UH, COUNTY'S GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST GOT A 90 DAY NOTICE THAT THEIR VENDOR IS GOING TO PULL OUT THAT JAIL IN 90 DAYS. UH, THEY'RE BACK IN THE JAIL BUSINESS IF THEY DON'T FIND ANOTHER VENDOR AND YOU GOT THE STAFF AND ALL THAT. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. BUT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD AND IT, IT'S, UH, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOK 50 50, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN REALLY INTO MEAT OF, UH, WE'RE VERY OPEN TO IT AND WE CONTINUE, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT AND, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY WHEN WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG, WE, HOW WE AS THE JUDGE HAVE A WORKSHOP AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE CONCRETE FACTS. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHETHER IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS YET OR NOT? NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW THAT UNTIL THEY WOULD GET A LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE GOT AND HOW, HOW WE WANT. WE CAN DO ANY, ANYTHING WE WANT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE BUYING A CAR. YOU CAN BUY THE STRIP GUN MODEL, YOU CAN GET THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE JACKET CARD. UH, SO I THINK WE'LL BE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THAT. BUT, UH, YEAH, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE I SAY, YOU CAN TALK TO SOME PEOPLE AND [01:45:01] THEY'LL SAY THEY, THE GREATEST THING EVER HAPPENED TO US. OTHERS SAY, STAY AWAY FROM THAT. BUT I THINK AGAIN, THESE, UH, ARE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS AND WE HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO APPLY OUR UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES IN THIS COUNTY AND, YOU KNOW, AND ASK WHAT THE COURT WANTS TO DO. I GUESS WE'D BE OUT OF THE LEASING OUT SPACE TO ANYBODY ELSE THEN YES, WE WOULD ACTUALLY, WE WOULD BE BUYING STUFF. WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION, JUDGE. YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT'S PRIVATIZED, UH, THAT COMPANY HAS TO MAKE A PROFIT AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING THEIR LOOKING TO UP TO THE COUNTY, THE COMMISSIONER COURT BE MAKING A PROPERTY, RIGHT? WELL, YES. AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE, BECAUSE WE, THEY GONNA WANT US TO FUND. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT THEIR BASIC, UH, PREMISE IS THAT THEY WILL LEASE IT, THIS FACILITY FROM US, THEY WILL CHARGE US $40 A DAY FOR PRISON. I'LL PULL THAT OUT THE HAND. OKAY. THEY'RE GOING TO THEN GO OUT AND TRY TO GET OTHER INMATES TO HOUSE THERE AT A, PROBABLY A LITTLE HIGHER PRICE THAN THEM. LIKE FEDERAL YEAH. INMATES. YEAH. AND WHAT HAPPENS TO WHAT HAPPENS WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT PUT US? UH, IF THEY SAY IF THEY STAY IN THERE A YEAR OR TWO, TEAR THE HELL OUT. PARDON MY FRIEND. TEAR, TEAR OUR NEW JAIL UP BECAUSE WE WORK SO HARD TO, TO KEEP AN AS THEN WHAT? WELL, YOU DON'T, THEY SAY THEY GO BANKRUPT AND WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING, CAN'T GET BLOOD OUT TURNER. THAT'S HIS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HIS BUSINESS. I MEAN THAT'S, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE ON THE COMPANIES WE DEALING WITH PAST IS AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS. YEAH. UH, ANOTHER THING WE'RE DOING IS THAT WE FINALLY GOT ALL THE PAPERWORK COMPLETED. WE GOT MARSHAL SERVICE, UH, AND THEY CORRESPONDING WITH US. SO WE MADE THEM POLL THEM TO, TO UH, YOU KNOW, HOUSE INMATES FOR THEM, WHICH, UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD SHOT AT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO DALLAS. YEAH. UH, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. UH, THEY, THEY ACCEPTED OUR PAPERWORK, UH, AND I PROBABLY ALL FILL OUT SOME FEDERAL PAPERWORK. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET A DOT OUT PLACE. THEY SEND IT BACK TO YOU, BUT YOU, ANYWAY, THAT'S THE TWO THINGS WE'RE DOING ON, ON YOU TRYING TO LOOK, SEE WHAT WE DO TO IMPROVE, UH, AT LEAST FINANCIALLY THE OF THE DAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH JAIL. WE PASS INSPECTIONS. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAWSUITS OUT THERE. UH, SO, BUT IF WE COULD DO A LITTLE BETTER ON, YOU KNOW, THE FISCAL SIDE OF IT, I THINK WE'D ALWAYS HAVE HERE. DOES THIS INCLUDE, OF COURSE RIGHT NOW WE PRIVATIZE THE, UH, MEDICAL PORTION OF WHAT WE DO OUT THERE. YES. AND SO THESE COMPANIES ALSO, UH, UH, ON THE RFP THAT WE WOULD DO, THEY, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED AS A PART OF, IF WE CAN CUSTOMIZE THAT RFP ANY WAY WE WANT DO IT. SO, UH, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THESE PLANS ARE CUSTOM, THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THAT PARTICULAR OPERATION AND A MANAGEMENT STYLE OF THE COUNTY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'VE GOT ONE OF THE GUYS COMING BY TO SEE ME TOMORROW WHO, WHO ALREADY TALKED WITH, UH, THAT THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD PROVIDE, THEY WOULD WANT A LIAISON BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THAT, UH, IN THAT, THAT LEASING OR THAT, THAT GROUP, THAT MANY, WHICH WOULD GO BACK TO WHAT TOM, I THINK WAS TALKING ABOUT. IF WE SAW OR IF OUR LIAISON SAW THAT THERE WERE ISSUES, UH, DESTRUCTION OR WHATEVER, WE WOULD'VE A SET OF EYES IN THE JAIL. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD ELIMINATE, UH, PROBLEMS FROM, WELL, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE COVERAGE, INSURANCE COVERAGE THAT WOULD COVER ALL OF THAT. YEAH. IF THEY DID PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO ANY OF THAT AND THEY IDENTIFY, SO WE STILL WOULD GET SUED EXCEPT A PATENT DOLLARS BECAUSE WE LEASE THE JAIL. BUT, BUT THEY WOULD WE EITHER TO HAVE A LIABILITY INSURANCE POLICY OR SOMETHING. SO THAT WOULD INDEMNIFY US, WHICH DOESN'T, WE DO GET SUED, BUT THEY WOULD JUST PICK UP THE POLICY, UH, THE LOST TRAIN. THESE, UH, PLANS CAN BE DONE EITHER WAY. PROBABLY WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT, AT THE MODEL THEY'VE GOT IN JOHNSON COUNTY, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP OUR OWN BOOKING PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR RECORD. UH, AND PROBABLY OUR BONDING BECAUSE OF IT, BECAUSE MOST OF THESE COMPANIES DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH BONDING. UH, SO, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND BE, UH, TAILOR IT TO OUR NEEDS AND WHAT [01:50:01] WE THINK WOULD WORK BEST FOR US AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BE THE MOST SECURE OR WE WOULD, WOULD NOT BE, YOU KNOW, SO SUBJECT TO, TO LIABILITY, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE ISSUE WAS WITH BOWIE COUNTY WHERE YOU WANTED THE COMPANY? THEY, THEY COULDN'T MAKE MONEY ON CONTRACT THEIR POPULATION DOWN. SO PULL OUT. PARDON? JUST GIVE NOTICE AND PULL OUT 90 DAY NOTICE SHIP. THEY, THEY, THIS SAME COMPANY HAS LIBERTY COUNTY. LIBERTY COUNTY WANTS TO GO BACK TO, TO RUN THEIR OWN JAIL THERE. COMPANY MOVE OUT. LIBERTY COUNTY HAS BEEN PRIVATIZED SINCE 1993. OKAY. YEARS. BUT THEY'RE MOVING BACK THE OTHER WAY. UH, UH, I TALKED TO THE SHERIFF DOWN THERE, BUT HE DID NOT RUN FOR REELECTION OR GOT PAID. SO HE WAS NOT, I I DON'T FELT LIKE, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I GOT A REAL, I, UH, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE FROM HIM. THIS WAS, UH, THIS, NO, HE WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE SITUATION, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALL AT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. COME COMMAND YOU SHERIFF FOR PURSUING THIS, UH, AND CHECK WITH SOME OF THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS THAT READ EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID THERE VERY WELL COULD BE SOME SAVINGS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL ON WHO YOU GET IN TO TAKE THAT POSITION, GIVE THAT CONTRACT TO, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME GOOD ONES. IT'S BAD. AND, UH, SOME LIKE, THEY'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH PEOPLE. UH, SOME OF THE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT CORRECT IN APPLES SCRAPS BUDGET ON , BUT YOU KNOW, IT JUST APPEARS THAT SOME OF 'EM, THERE, THERE COULD BE SOME COST SAVINGS THERE FORCE. AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT WILL BE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND WE'RE, WE'RE GOING VERY CLOSE TO THAT. WELL, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT OUR, OUR CHARGES TO, TO RUN A SAFE AND HUMANE JAIL AND WE CAN CONTRACT. WE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, INVEST OURSELVES THAT LIABILITY A POSSIBILITY. WE STILL THE COUNTY. YES. CHARGE. OKAY. SO THE GAME PLAN WOULD BE NOW TO DO A LITTLE MORE INVESTIGATION AND PERHAPS DO AN RFP OR WHATEVER WE'D LINED UP DOING. I, I THINK WHAT I MIGHT DO IS PROBABLY RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, UH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET ANYBODY SETTLED DOWN RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. IS MAYBE GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAT'S HAD A WORKSHOP ON IT AND SO EVERYBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, GET ALL THE INFORMATION AT ONE TIME. OKAY. GO FROM THERE. ALRIGHT. WE LOVE WORKSHOP. I SUGGEST THAT BE SAID, UH, JANUARY THE FOURTH. YOU ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SHERIFF? WILL ITEM NUMBER 12 BEFORE WE MOVE? NO, THANK YOU, SHERIFF. ON ITEM NUMBER 13, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL AND TODAY IS THE, UH, HAD THAT BOOKED, UH, THE REPORT REGARDING ESTABLISHING, IMPLEMENTING A POLICY FOR HONORABLY RETIRED OFFICERS TO PURCHASE FIREARM. AND I HAD A COPY OF THAT PUT ON THAT FOR YOU. SHOULD HAVE UP THERE. YOU WANNA, YOUR, YOU KNOW, I WROTE YOU THE LETTER AND I GUESS I'VE GOT COPY. WE MET ON THE THIRD OF THIS MONTH. UH, AND THAT COMMITTEE WAS MYSELF, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, UH, COOPER AND MR. FASHION. AND, UH, THE COMMITTEE, UH, AGREED UPON THE FOLLOWING TERMS OR SUGGESTIONS. HONOR BREW, RETIRED PEACE OFFICER WAS A MINIMUM OF EIGHT YEARS IN EMPLOYMENT WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY. UH, ALLOW TO PURCHASE A HANDGUN ONLY. NO SEEDS ARE FAR FROM WEAPONS TO BE SOLD. HANDGUN ONLY ALLOW PURCHASE, UH, HANDGUN ONLY SAID THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE BE DETERMINED BY THE PURCHASING AGENT USING A SHOOTER'S BIBLES PRICE PURCHASE HAS TO SET AT 60% OF THE SHOOTER SHOOTER'S BIBLE MISSING. AND THAT WAS THE, UH, CONSENSUS OF THE, UH, COMMITTEE. AND UH, THAT IS THE REPORT THAT WAS DELIVERED TO THE COMMISSION. AND THIS FOLLOWS THE GUIDELINES OF THE LAW. YES, AUTHORITY DO THIS. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY UH, YEAH, I, I SAT ON THE COMMITTEE AND, AND THE CONSTABLE THAT ASKED ABOUT THIS, THIS RIFLE, UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE NEED A POLICY. THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY NEEDS A POLICY TO SET [01:55:01] IN PLACE ON, ON WHAT WE WANT A PROVIDE AND NOT, UH, THE, THE CONSTABLE THAT ASKED ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT. ONE IS, UH, HIS, HIS HANDGUN WASN'T ISSUED BY THE COUNTY, SO IT IT'S HIS OWN PRIVATE HANDGUN, SO HE COULDN'T PURCHASE THERE. UM, WHEN HE MADE THE REQUEST, UH, THE ONLY THING HE HAD TO GO BY WAS, UH, UH, THIS BE 13, 7, 9 AND ALSO TALK WITH THE, UH, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. UM, AND I, I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR THE COURT TO TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION THAT HE CAN'T BUY THE HAND THE HANDGUN. AND FROM THIS DAY ON, YOU'LL HAVE A POLICY SET IN PLACE THAT ANYBODY, THAT, ANY OFFICER THAT WANTED TO BUY A PIECE OF A PIECE, A WEAPON WOULD KNOW WHAT HE CAN AND CANNOT BUY BUY. BUT WHEN HE MADE HIS REQUEST, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE, THIS THIS POLICY WOULDN'T SAY IN EFFECT. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING TO CONSIDER HIM, BECAUSE HE ASKED FOR THIS BEFORE WE SAID THIS POLICY IN EFFECT AND IT'S GONNA AFFECT EVERYBODY THAT AFTERWARDS. UH, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD, UH, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, UH, HE FILED IN NOVEMBER AND WE JUST SETTING THE POLICY AND NOW, AND HE IS CONSTABLE SANDERS, IT CONSTABLE SANDERS AND LIKE I SAID, IT PISTOL, HE ALREADY ON IT. SO HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T, UH, IT'S ONE WEAPON AND HE'S NOT ASKING ME TO GIVE IT TO HIM. HE, I HE'S GOING GOING PAY IT FOR IT. SO WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE IS IN BUYING THE WEAPON COUNTER GOT, AND IT'S JUST ONE, IT'S JUST ONE, ONE WEAPON SAYING, BECAUSE HE ASKED BEFORE TIMES HE ASKED BEFORE WE SET THIS IN PLACE, BUT ANYBODY ELSE COMES UP, WANNA BUY A WEAPON, THIS WILL BE SET IN PLACE THEY CAN LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, I KNOW I CAN GET THIS. I CAN'T GET THAT. SO I JUST, I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR TRANSACTION WITH THE DEFENDANT BECAUSE WHO IT IS AND CHAIRMAN UP. WELL, UH, I THINK THAT, THAT THE PROHIBITIONS THAT, UH, WE'VE, UH, PROPOSED HERE ARE THE LIMITATION, UH, WERE DONE AFTER WE, WE ALL DISCUSSED IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT. AND AS FAR AS AS THE OTHER, I, I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, PERSONALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE A VOTE, DON'T NEED, BUT, UH, THAT, UH, CAUSE WHO, UH, AND YOU KNOW, HIS REPUTATION, IF NOTHING I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO THAT I MIGHT THROW THIS IN, UH, THAT THAT IS AN OLDER WEAPON. YES. IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A NAME THAT I NEVER HEARD OF. UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BUSH METHOD. YEAH. IT'S SOME IS SOME KIND OF OFF BRAND DEAL ANYWAY. IT'S LESSER NORMAL. AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SELLING TO HIM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE GO BY THE SHOOTER ABOUT HUNDRED PERCENT. YEAH, I'M SURE YOU PRICE 50%. YEAH. I THOUGHT THE LAW WAS KIND OF, IF YOU HAD SENTIMENTAL ATTACHMENT TO A GUN THAT YOU CARRIED FOR 25 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU'D WANT TO KEEP THAT. YEAH, I, I COULDN'T FIND ANY. I CALL EIGHT OR 10 COUNTIES. NOBODY HAD THE POLICY, EVEN THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION THAT DIDN'T, I MEAN THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN I FIRST CALLED OUT THERE. WELL, THIS LAW'S FAIRLY NEW. SEPTEMBER IT YEAR OLD SAID THIS BEST EPTEMBER I COME UP. IF WE MIGHT JUST, WE MIGHT JUST ONE ONE EXCEPTION THOUGH, AFTER THAT THERE BEEN, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THERE'LL BE NO EXCEPTION. WELL YOU HAVE A POLICY SET IN FEE. I KNOW, I KNOW THERE IS A POLICY. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE POLICY AS WRITTEN AND RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE. UH, BUT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE SELLING OF THE, WHATEVER THE NAME OF THIS GUN IS TO CONSTABLE, UH, FULL MARKET VALUE DETERMINED BY THE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, WHAT I'M WONDERING. WE MAY COME BACK AND DO THIS OR NEXT NINE. WELL, [02:00:01] IT'S AN ACTION ITEM AS FAR AS ADOPTING THE POLICY, BUT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM. JUST PRESENT REPORT. OH, I'M SORRY. WE'RE COME BACK. WE OKAY, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, WE'LL COME BACK ON THE 31ST, OUR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR. THANK YOU SHERIFF. YES. THANK, THANK YOU SHERIFF AND ALL. YOU HAVE WELL SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT, THAT INTERESTING THAT THIS HAD COME UP BEFORE ACROSS THE STATE THOUGH. YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT PREVALENT. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION. UH, WELL I, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION ON 13. IT'S JUST A PRESENTATION BY THE SHERIFF ON THE UH, UH, ON THE ESTABLISHING THE POLICY. AND SO WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE THOSE TWO ITEMS. FIRST ITEM NUMBER 14 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUDITING FUNDING. YEAR 2012, CHAPTER 59 ASSET TURE REPORT OF LAW REPORT FROM AGENTS FOR COLTON COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THERE THAT'S BEEN AUDITED BY THE AUDITOR. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION? I KNOW THAT WE ACCEPT THE AUDITOR REPORT, IS THAT CORRECT? THE REPORT OUTLINED BY CHAPTER 59. YEAH. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. MAN, WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS TO DISCUSS CONSIDER WARD BID 1302 ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS ROAD MATERIAL. JACK, YOU'VE BEEN SITTING THERE A LONG TIME. THANKS. YES, SIR. UH, JIM, I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE TABULATION. UM, I DON'T SPEND A LONG TIME. I WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE AWARD, UH, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EACH CATEGORY. I THINK THE PRICES STAYED, UH, PRETTY CLOSE WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. I THINK THE, UH, TYPE D WENT UP, UH, UH, WHEN THE HOT MIX WENT UP, UH, ABOUT $6. I THINK IT, UH, ON THE, UH, FIVE MIXED SSM. I THINK THE FER THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. UH, CONCRETE, SAME AS LAST YEAR. UH, FLEX BASE, THE SAME LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, ALTERNATE ONLY OVERSIZED ABOUT 50 AT THE TIME. AND THE REST MATERIAL ABOUT THE SAME PRICE. AND YOU'LL NOTICE I, UH, THINK SAND WENT UP ABOUT AND WE BID OUT OUR, UH, OVERLAYING A LITTLE BETTER. I THINK IT DID KIND OF WAY DALLAS COUNTY DID THERE. UH, WE DO HAVE LABOR AND MATERIAL EQUIPMENT, UH, PER TON IN PLACE AND I RECOMMEND LOW BID OR PRIMARY BID AND WE COULD HAVE A SECONDARY CASE THAT PRIMARY THAT'RE NOT ABLE TO DELIVER PRODUCT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION JUDGE. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER RED. HAVE A SECOND. THANK SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY ITEM NUMBER 16 IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER WARNING RFP OH TWO DASH 13 ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR THE COUNTY ENGINEERING DECK. YOU MIGHT EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT TO US. THAT IS THE TRUE MEMBER GENTLEMAN. WE PUT OUT RFP FOR, UH, COUNTYWIDE, UH, ENGINEERING SERVICES. UH, ACTUALLY WANT TO TABLE THAT ITEM. UH, WE, WE HAVE, UH, SELECTED THE TOP THREE VENDORS BRING BACK IN AND TO GIVE A DEMONSTRATION AND OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, YES SIR. THEY COME IN NEXT WEEK. NEXT, UH, ONCE AGAIN WE HAD HAVE A MEETING AND UH, MR. JACKSON AND MR. MANNING WERE INVOLVED IN THAT. WE HAVE CHOSEN THE TOP THREE R KIND TRYING TO THIS I'D TO TIME. I HAVE A [02:05:01] RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PURCHASING AGENT THAT WE TAKE THAT UNTIL FURTHER REVIEW A MOTION TO DO SO. JACKSON MOTION. ALL FAIR TO SAY. I, I. ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER BID 12 DASH FIVE COUNTY THREE. THIS IS A, UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER MATERIAL ACTUALLY PAY FOR THIS. IT'LL NOT COST COUNTY ANYTHING REPAIR. UH, WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND FORTH. THEY HAD A BUDGET THAT, UH, THEY WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH. UH, I WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO AS SUBMITTED WITH THE EXCEPTION. UH, CATEGORY NUMBER ONE. ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, PROVIDE LABOR MATERIAL INSTALLATION OF FLEX BASE AT 18,000 1 65. WE RECOMMEND AWARD FOR THAT ITEM CATEGORY NUMBER TWO. ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, PROVIDE LABOR MATERIAL 5,004 SEVEN, UH, COMMEND NO AWARD ON THAT ITEM. ATTORNEY MATERIALS IS GOING, UH, SUPPLY THE FLEX BASE THAT WILL BRING THAT, UH, TOTAL AWARD FOR THAT PROJECT. 72,000 743, 72, 74 3. AND THE IS PAID CON, UH, L-T-D-D-B ACON MUNICIPAL DIVISION. THEY WERE THE ONE WE RECEIVED AND I BELIEVE, UH, ONCE AGAIN P MATERIALS WITH THAT UH, PRICE. AND YEAH, I THINK THAT ON THE, AND I THINK UH, UH, PROBABLY IT CAME IN WAY OVER BID AND SO IN THIS PROCESS, PROBABLY WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE BID. SO THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND FOR THE FULL COST OF THIS. AND UH, BUT I WANT YOU TO BE UNDERSTOOD. WANNA BE UNDERSTOOD THAT TRINITY IS STILL LIABLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD REGARDLESS UNTIL THEY FINISH. THERE'S TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS IN MAINTENANCE COME UP ON THAT ROAD. TRINITY IS STILL LIABLE. ROAD ABOUT THOUSAND FEET AND I THINK GOOD. THE GOOD NEWS IS THE ENTRY ON THE COUNTRY ON CONCRETE END THE ASPHALT. SO I THINK IT'LL HOLD UP. I JUST WANT WANT THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE LONG AS THEY USING THAT RULES, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAIN STEP THOUSAND PEOPLE. MR. CASE COURT ON MY END IS JUST CONTRACT ITSELF. I'M GETTING THAT RIGHT. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, YOU WANNA PUT THAT ON THE MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THAT'S 12 0 5 12 DASH OH FIVE COUNTY RULE THREE 14. AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER JACKSON. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER SECOND MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY I I'M SORRY. THE POINT WE MAKE JUST CROSS MY MIND. THIS IS CORRECT RIGHT THERE. THIS I'M IN FAVOR. WHEN THEY TOOK DOING THIS COUNTY ROAD THREE 15 WHATEVER ON SHADOW LAKES, WILL THEY INPUT UP THIS BID PROCESS TOO? THAT LAST DEVELOPER THAT WAS IN HERE SINCE HE'LL BE WORKING ON THE COUNTY ROAD, I THAT'S THAT TO DO WITH THIS. THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE KICK BACK, BACK OF YOUR MIND. GOT A LONG QUESTION. UH, I GUESS SHORT WORDING ON THIS IS, IS I THINK COMMISSIONER AND I BOTH, OUR PREFERENCE WAS FOR UH, TRINITY TO DO THIS HERSELF, RIGHT? UH, TRINITY HAD CONCERN ABOUT LIABILITY AND WANTED US TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BID OUT THE WORK. OH, SHE LEGS COULD JUST PAY FOR THAT, COULDN'T THEY? YEAH, I FIGURED THEY PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES. IS THAT NOT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO? SHADOW AWAY? YEAH. WELL SHE LAKE GONNA PAY FOR PAY FOR THE ROAD BUT NOT, IT STILL FALLS BACK. WE DID COUNTY ROAD 30, TEXAS, EVERYTHING DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT EVERYTHING. THREE 14 ABOUT LIABILITY GO THROUGH PROCESS TEXAS. [02:10:04] SO WHEREAS INDUSTRIES IS A PRIVATE CONCERN, THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE SOME DIFFERE. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY I I ITEM NUMBER 18 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADVERTISING BID FOR AN ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT UNIFORM. UH, GENTLEMEN, IT'S TIME TO BID OUT THE UNIFORM AGAIN THAT THIS IS, UH, A UNIFORM FROM THE DEPUTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AN ACTUAL DATE SCHEDULED WORK WITH, WE DO THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. JUDGE, IT'S, IT'S IT'S ANNUAL CONTRACT WITH RENEWALS. IT'S FIVE CONTRACT. IT'LL BE FOR ONE YEAR WITH, WITH ADDITIONAL RENEWALS. OKAY. HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? I MAY, WE ADVERTISE A DIFFERENT SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT UNIFORM. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADVERTISE FOR BIDS ON THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OF UNIFORM. WE HAVE A SECOND. COMMISSIONER JACKSON, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? FILE NUMBER 19 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADVERTISING THE SALE OF COUNTY SURFACE PROPERTY THROUGH AN ONLINE AUCTION BY AN BASE AUCTION SURFACE. JUST MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER GARAGE SALE IF YOU WOULD GET RID OF SOME MORE. HUH? I THINK WE HAVE SOME, UH, THE TILE HAVE ARRIVED AND THEN WE PASSED AND MR. MANNING HAD A BIG CHILDREN OUT THERE TO GET RID OF US. GOT AIR CONDITION. WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE STONE THAT'S STORED OVER TO SOUTH CAMPUS? SO WE WE DON'T HAVE BLOCK, WE CLEAN HOUSE. WHAT WE HAVE. YES SIR. AS MUCH AS, AND, UH, I THINK THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS DELIVERED A BUNCH OF TRAILERS TO THE, UH, ARMORY. THEY'RE READY TO GO AND I THINK THEY'LL START RENTING CARS HERE SOON. SHOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD SIZE. HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE ADVERTISEMENT. SALE OF COUNTY SERVICE PROPERTY. APPROVE BASED OFF SERVICE EXTRA. MAKES THAT MOTION. MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? LINE ITEM IS ADDITIONAL GRANT. THAT'S AWESOME. [02:15:03] WE DID 31ST. 759,000 334 82. YOU'RE WELCOME. SEVEN NINE CAN GET THAT BEDROOM BACK ON AGENDA NEXT YEAR. THAT YES SIR. YES SIR. I KNOW I QUESTIONED IT TOO. IN THAT, IN THAT OLD MANUAL CHECK SYSTEM, ONCE YOU [02:20:47] EMAIL YOU A COPY OF, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEALTHY, UH, PERFORMANCE. PERFORMANCE, WHAT THEY DO IS OKAY. I, [02:25:24] YEAH, CONSTABLE MORRIS, THAT COST, I FIGURED HE WOULD JUST, UH, PAYING THOSE AND IT YOU DON'T DO THAT. WELL, I TRANSFER AND YOUR ROAD BRIDGE DON'T HAVE, DO YOU HAVE [02:30:49] ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO THEY GOT A TABLE, LIKE WE ALL GET UP, SHOOT AROUND AND ALL THAT STUFF. I LEFT OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. WELL, RANDY CALLED ME ON THE PHONE. HE, HE SAID, CHECK YOUR POCKETS AND SEE IF YOU GOT THE KEYS TO PICK. I, I SAID, MAN, I WOULD NEVER PICK UP NONE OF YOUR KEYS, ANY OF THAT STUFF. I SAID, WELL, MESS WITH ME BECAUSE HE'S DEADLY MESS WITH. AND I WENT ON, YOU HAD HIS KNEES. WHEN I GOT WHERE I WAS GOING, I, I SAID I CAN'T BELIEVE I PAID. I JUST, I SEE YOU. NO. DID YOU? CAREFUL LOW BID. SIR, I THINK THAT'S IT. I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CLAIM FOR PAYMENT. MR. JACKSON MAKES THAT MOTION TO SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AJOUR A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER JACKSON. SECOND. MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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