* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] WELCOME, EVERYBODY HERE TODAY. THERE'S A SIGN UP SHEET BACK HERE BY STEVE. ANYBODY WISHES TO ADDRESS ANYTHING? I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO POINT OUT THAT PROBABLY IF ANYTHING'S ON THE AGENDA, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SIGNED UP FOR, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY NOT GET RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK. I THINK I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BEST TO SIGN THAT. BUT LOOK, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM, I'LL TELL YOU TODAY, YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK. INTIMIDATION. Y'ALL WITH ME? I, WE, WE JUST ASK YOU TO BLESS US TODAY, BLESS THIS COURT AS WE DO OUR CAMPUS BUSINESS. ALSO ASK THAT YOU PUT YOUR ARM AROUND OUR, UH, SOLDIERS THAT ARE IN HARM'S WAY TODAY TO BE GOD'S FEET. ALSO, BLESS OUR DISTRICT JUDGE. HE'S WE THANK YOU SO MUCH, PLEASE. YOUR AMEN. AMEN. ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. CONSIDER STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN INDIVIDUAL INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL ON HONOR, TEXAS. FLAG, I ANCE OF THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD ON THE INDIVISIBLE, YOU THINK, DECIDE TO GET MY REMARKS. AND, UH, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU, MS. GREEN WITH YOU, I'LL JUST HAVE YOU ADDRESS WHAT A AGENDA ITEM COMES UP. YES. AND JUDGE JEFF, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE WITH YOU TOO? UH, YES, YOUR HONOR. UH, YES, COMMISSIONER. CAREFUL ON THAT. OLD HABITS. UH, OKAY. WE'VE GOT THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT THE LESLIE, UH, JUDGE WOOD HAS LEFT ME WITH THREE PAGES OF THINGS TO GET DONE TODAY. SO IN ESSENCE OF TIME, I'M GONNA TRY AND GET THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK. UH, THE FIRST ITEM BEEN DISCUSSING CONSIDER DEPUTATION OF SHERRY CHITTY AND DAVID BRIAN NAS AND RESERVE DEPUTY COMP FOR PRECINCT ONE. DISCUSSING CONSIDER REPOINTING JOHN LOWER SENATOR GOLDEN AND FRED CARTER TO ESD BOARD. NUMBER TWO, FOR TWO YEAR TERMS, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PRIVILEGED REPUTATIONS OF MARILYN ROWTON. DEBBIE BAARD, NICK MILLER, RUTH LAW, JANELLE BOLTON, VICKY BUSBY, MARTHA BARBOSA, THERESA FLOYD, PHILLIP STEIN, STEPHANIE VICKERY, PAULA COMPMAN, LA SMITH, LISA COMPTON, ANDY WELDON, SANDRA ENGLISH LAND CROW. BRENDA W FOR THE COMPMAN COUNTY TEXAS SESSION SMITH OFFICE DISCUSSING PROVING DEPUTATIONS OF JOE E KN. SEAN C IVY FREDERICK H BERGER WESLEY B BOYD JANDY E BURLEY HAROLD, L MARK II RICHARD B GATIS DARREL B LANDRUM ROBERT B. MCGEE, JOHN G PILLOW. SECOND MARK W. HOLCOMB. TOMMY J BENFIELD, TOMMY B REISNER, EXECUTIVE A, STEWART, ROBERT, T WEST DANIEL EVE AND HUSS. DAVID R. ADAMS. RICHARD C. BERGER. KEVIN H KETCHUM. BILL R JACKSON BARRY, B BASSON. TIM K SPILLMAN. JESSE COMPTON, CHRISTOPHER J WATLEY. ROBERT K. RAMSEY. JERRY G. WOOD WESLEY D MOYER, GEORGE S. LEE, HAMLIN SECOND. KENNETH W. MARTIN TYLER, B WIGGINS. STEVEN D. HENDRICKS, JONATHAN, R WALLACE, WILLIAM S SPOON. WILLIAM J CUE SECOND FOREST CHIEF RYERSON. SECOND MICHAEL R WISER ALBERT M KELSO. MATTHEW J. HINES, KEITH A. WHEELER, SUSAN D LAROSE. AND BRIAN M. SIMMONS [00:05:01] AS DEPUTY SHERIFF OF THE COMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. ITEM E IS DISCUSSING, CONSIDER PROCLAIMING TODAY OF FEBRUARY 1ST, 2013 AS NATIONAL RED WHERE DAY BO COUNTY. NEXT ITEM ITEM BE, WE'RE GOING TO JUST WITHDRAW ITEM B, DISCUSSING CONSIDERING MARK SMITH AND DSC NUMBER THREE BOARD FOR TWO YEAR TERMS. ADAM H DISCUSSING, CONSIDER ACCEPTING 20 11 20 12 AUDITED FINANCE STATEMENTS FOR KAUFFMAN COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN AND ARRIVE DISCUSSING CONSIDER REAL WANTING SUE MORROW AND DAVID WILLIAMS TO THE SD NUMBER FOUR BOARD FOR ONE YEAR TERMS AND REPOINT ROBERT M FAYER, JUDGE LEWIS AND JOE CHAIRMAN FOR TWO YEAR TERMS. YES SIR. ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA? IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MADE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MAN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE'LL TRY TO VOTE ON LOCAL AGENDA ITEMS PLEASE. IS JUDGE TIM HERE YET? YES SIR. ON BOARD. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE NEED TO GET YOU IN THAT ADDRESS SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND, UH, GO TO WORK. YES, SIR. I'VE BROUGHT, UH, ANDREW JORDAN WITH ME THIS MORNING IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. ANDREW? UM, WE'RE HERE COMMISSIONERS, UH, IN CONNECTION TO THE APPOINTMENT OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER OSIDE BOARD. THIS IS A BOARD THAT IS AUTHORIZED UNDER ARTICLE 26 0 4 5 OF THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE. AND BASICALLY THAT BOARD, UH, IS THE OVERSIGHT BOARD FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. EXCUSE ME, MY VOICE IS LEAVING ME TODAY. BUT IF YOU WILL LOOK IN THAT CODE SECTION, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT IT BASICALLY PROVIDES THAT COMMISSIONER'S COURT MAY DELEGATE TO THIS BOARD ANY POWER OR DUTY OF COMMISSIONER'S BOARD TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. COMPLET RECOMMENDING SELECTION AND REMOVAL OF A CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER SETTING POLICY FOR YOUR OFFICE AND DEVELOPMENT AND BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR THE OFFICE. AND THERE'S A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM OR MAY CONSIDER MAKING THE APPOINTMENT. THAT INCLUDES AN ATTORNEY, A JUDGE, TRIAL COURT, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, COUNTY JUDGE, A COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE, FORMER CLIENT OR FAMILY MEMBER, FORMER CLIENT DEFENDER'S OFFICE. AND I BELIEVE JUDGE WOOD INDICATED THAT, UH, HE HAD PROPOSED TO POINT ALL FOURTH THE TRIAL JUDGES PLUS, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK, UH, PLUS JUDGE WOOD PLUS DENNIS JONES AS THE MEMBER OF DEFENSE PART. YES. THE ACTUAL ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM IS DISCUSSED. CONSIDER APPOINTING JUDGE MONT , JUDGE HOWARD T JUDGE JUDGE EARLY WILEY JUDGE DAVID LEWIS, MR. RAY CLARK AND ATTORNEY DENNIS JONES, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER BOARD. AND ACTUALLY, I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU UP HERE BEFORE TO THE, FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH BOARD, BUT SINCE YOU STARTED THIS A ALRIGHT, IF YOU'VE GOT TIME, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, PREVIEW OF WHAT THIS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? WELL, AS THE, UH, STATUTE PROVIDES, IT RECOMMENDS SELECTION AND REMOVAL OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER. IT'S BASICALLY THE OVERSIGHT SUPERVISORY BOARD FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE SETS POLICY FOR THE OFFICE AND DEVELOPS A BUDGET FOR THE OFFICE. SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE BASIC OVERSIGHT FUNCTIONS OF THE BOARD. AND UH, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE NOW FOR QUITE EIGHT OR FOUR YEARS, FOUR, FIVE YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. UH, ANDREW WAS THE INITIAL CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER AND HIS REMAINED IN THAT POSITION. UH, HE'S RUN AN AWARD WINNING OFFICE, UH, BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE FOR THE GOOD WORK THAT OFFICE DOES. I THINK ALL OF THE TRIAL JUDGES ARE PLEASED WITH THE WORK OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND, UH, THIS SIMPLY PUTS IN PLACE AN OVERSIGHT BOARD. WE HAD AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WAS SET UP AT THE TIME THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE WAS CREATED, BUT, UH, WE FELT IT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IN PLACE FORMALLY THIS PUBLIC DEFENDER OVERSIGHT BOARD SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, UH, WE CAN MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS REVIEW TO WORK WITH THE OFFICE ESTABLISHED POLICIES AS WE NEED TO CONCERNING THE OFFICE, DEVELOP BUDGETS AS WE NEED TO FOR THE OFFICE. ANDREA, DO YOU NEED TO ADD THAT I, [00:10:01] I'M SUFFERING FROM THE SAME THING THE JUDGE IS. I'M SORRY. I REALLY DON'T. THE, I THINK YOU GUYS MAY KNOW A PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S KIND OF A RARE ANIMAL IN TEXAS. THERE'S NOT THAT MANY OF IT AND THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES IN LEGISLATION AND BASICALLY YOU SHOULD REFER TO YOUR LAWYER. BUT WHAT THE STATUTE ENVISIONS IS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT COULD EITHER HAVE KIND OF DIRECT CONTROL OVER THAT OR THEY CAN DELEGATE THAT CONTROL, UH, TO SORT OF A NONPARTISAN REPRESENTATIVE BOARD. AND THAT'S WHAT IT TALKS ABOUT. AND IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE DISJUNCTIVE WHERE THERE'S ONE OR MORE PEOPLE YOU MAY OR MAY NOT APPOINT TO THAT BOARD. UH, I'LL DEFER TO JUDGE WOOD TO WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. BEST FILL THOSE SPOTS. WELL, I WHY HE RECOMMENDED ON THAT, BUT HE DID LET, LET SIR, WELL COMMISSIONER YOU THE CONFERENCE WITH ME. YOU'VE GOT SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THE LAW AND WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING. I I NO DOUBT YOU DO A FINE JOB WITH THAT. WELL, THERE'S MANY MOVING PARTS IN THE INGEN DEFENSE, UH, WORLD AS IS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. ANDREW DOES A GOOD JOB ON IT AND HIGHLY RESPECTED ACROSS THE STATE COUNTY, HIGHLY RESPECTED ACROSS THE STATE FOR STARTING THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, UNDER THE GUN TO PROVIDE DEFENSE FOR THESE PEOPLE. RIGHT. AND RIGHTFULLY SO, BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GUILTY. AND ONE THING WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AS FAR OFF WITH BASICALLY COST SAVINGS ONCE GONNA COST IS KIND OF MY MIDDLE NAME. SO, AND ANDREW IS CONTINUING TO CO CONTROL SOME COSTS WITH THE DISTRICT JUDGES AND THE COUNTY COURT LAW JUDGES. SO I'M TOOK THIS, I THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN IN THIS. I APPRECIATE, HELP ON ANY QUESTIONS FOR WE CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT WE TO SAY BACK WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE TO THE NUMBER AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT YOU'RE DOING. I'M WATCHING BOTH MILLION, YOUR OFFICE AND SO IT JUST, SO WE'RE PAYING ADDITIONAL LOAN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC. SO LEMME EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS. UH, THE INDIGENT DEFENSE, UM, GRANT WAS GIVEN AND ESTABLISHED THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC DEFENDER. AND, UH, THERE WAS A ROTATING WHEEL THAT, THAT WAS SET UP FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF COUNSEL. AND INDIGENT DEFENSE COMMISSIONER CLARK IS RIGHT ON THE MARK. IT SAYS THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE ABOUT IMAGE DEFENSE. IT'S MANDATED BY THE CONSTITUTION. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US WOULD PREFER THAT EVERYBODY GO OUT AND HIRE THEIR OWN LAWYER. THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, IF CAN'T AFFORD, WE ARE OBLIGATED. AND NOT ONLY ARE WE OBLIGATED TO APPOINT YOU A LAWYER, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PAY INVESTIGATION FEES AND EXPERT FEES AND EVERYTHING ELSE JUST AS THOUGH YOU COULD AFFORD TO BUY YOUR OWN DEFENSE. BUT, UH, ANDREW'S OFFICE, I THINK YOU COULD APPOINTED ANDREA ON EVERY THIRD FELONY BELOW FIRST DEGREE. UH, FOR ABOUT THE LAST YEAR WE LIVED IN EVERY, BEFORE EVERY OTHER FELONY. WE'RE NOT, WE HAVE DIFFERENTIATED BETWEEN FELONIES OR MISDEMEANORS, WELL BETWEEN THE GRADE LEVELS. OKAY. HOW MANY MISDEMEANOR CASES WERE YOU? I CAN TELL YOU LOOKING AND I APOLOGIZE. I, I FOUND OUT ABOUT 10 MINUTES AGO, I WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS. ANDREW WAS ACTUALLY SECOND CHAIRING A MURDER CASE LAST WEEK IN MY COURT. AND HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS JULY RECESS JUST NOW OVER HERE. JUDGE WOOD HAD ASKED ME TO COME AND I ASKED ANDREW TO COME WITH ME. SO, AND HE WAS CAUGHT A LITTLE UNAWARE YOU MIGHT BE, THIS WILL ANSWER TO MR. SHANE'S QUESTION. I I DID LOOK FOR A REPORT. WE DID, WE DID A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND CASES IN THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR. NOT THE FISCAL YEAR, BUT UH, JANUARY, DECEMBER. AND THAT BREAKDOWN WAS ROUGHLY 60% MISDEMEANOR, 40% FELONY. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A, A CAP ON HOW MANY CASES ONE LAWYER CAN HANDLE THAT EXPOSING THEMSELVES TO SOME LIABILITY. FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN OVER THAT CAP. SO, UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF, OF SOME STAFF THAT WE GOT SOME GRANT MONEY FOR, WE'RE HOPING TO GET BACK IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. BUT IT, IT IS A FINITE UNIVERSE. I MEAN THERE'S PROBABLY NEVER GONNA BE A SITUATION [00:15:01] WHERE WE COULD HANDLE ALL OF THOSE CASES SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO, UH, HE COULDN'T QUANTIFY WHAT HIS OFFICE WAS DOING. AND THE INFORMATION FOR HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT HIS AVERAGE COST PER CASE IS $372. IF YOU LOOKED AT, UH, WHAT THE PRIVATE LAW FIRMS ARE, IT'S GONNA BE QUITE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO SO MANY, UH, HIDDEN COST IN IT IS HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY DAYS IS HE KEEPING PRISONERS OUT OF THE JAIL THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO FEED AND TAKE CARE OF? CAN'T PUT A NUMBER ON THAT. WE DON'T KNOW. AND I'M GLAD WE EVER FIND OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE SAVING MONEY THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T QUANTIFY. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBTS OR SAVING MONEY, UH, BY THE USE OF THIS OFFICE. AND LEMME ALSO SAY WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT COURTS IN PLACE IN THE COUNTY THAT ANDREW'S OFFICE STAFFS. AND UH, ONE OF 'EM IS IN MY COURT IS MENTAL HEALTH AND DRUG COURT. JUDGE WILEY HAS A DWI COURT AND IT IS ALSO COST SAVINGS TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF STAFFING OF THOSE COURTS THAT YOU GET PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL AND INTO TREATMENT, PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE LONG TERM INMATES. SO, UH, YOU CAN BE PENNYWISE AND POUND FOOLISH WITH CRIMINAL DEFENSE. UH, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE QUICKER YOU GET A LAWYER IN CONTACT WITH A DEFENDANT, ESPECIALLY A MENTALLY ILL OR DRUG ADDICTED DEFENDANT AND GET 'EM OUT OF THE JAIL AND INTO TREATMENT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NON PREDATORY, NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS THAT DON'T CONSTITUTE A DANGER TO OUR SOCIETY. WE CAN EITHER HOUSE 'EM IN THE PENITENTIARY AT A BREAK CAUSE AND WE CAN GET THEM BACK WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE TREATMENT AT A MUCH LESSER COST. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY, UH, AGGRESSIVE IN THIS COUNTY IN OUR ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT COURT. AND ANDREW'S OFFICE IS PART AND PARCEL THAT BY PROVIDING THE PUBLIC DEFENDER SPOKEN THAT WEEK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SURE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE FULLY AWARE OF, BUT IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT FUNCTION THAT HIS OFFICE PROVIDES. AND UH, ANDREW HAS DETAILED INFORMATION, COMMISSIONER SHANE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CASES AND WHAT THE A BA SAYS THROUGH CASELOAD OUGHT TO BE. UH, HE HAS BEEN SCRUTINIZED. UH, GOT IT. HE'S BEEN SCRUTINIZED BY THE STATE INDIGENT DEFENSE TASK FORCE. ABSOLUTELY. AND HAS BEEN GIVEN GOOD MARKS. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN FINANCIALLY, BUT I CAN ALMOST TELL YOU THAT HE SAVED YOU MONEY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'D ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO VISIT WITH ANDREW? ABSOLUTELY. GO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS PROBABLY OR HE ESTIMATE IS TO ANSWER NOTES INFORMATION TO COURT. AND IF YOU GUYS EVER WANT TO COME BY ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT COURTS, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR YOU TO OBSERVE HOW THESE COURTS WORK AND UH, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY ESTABLISH THESE COURTS BY, UH, RESOLUTION MINE BACK IN 2010. JUDGE WILEY'S, I THINK ABOUT 2 0 8 OR NINE, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY, I THINK MAYBE 2 0 9. BUT THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS THAT UH, IT IS THE MOST HUMANE, EFFICIENT, ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE WAY TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS ISSUES, DRUG ADDICTIONS AND ALCOHOL ADDICTIONS. AND UH, THEY REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE PENITENTIARY. YOU CAN KEEP THEM OUTTA THE PENITENTIARY MANY TIMES BY HAVING TREATED OR THE COUNTY JAIL. SPEAK TO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'VE HAD GREAT SUPPORT FROM THE SHERIFF FROM UH, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN ESTABLISHING THESE ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT COURT. SO, UH, IT'S SOMETHING IF YOU'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO COME OBSERVE, I WOULD INVITE YOU ANY FRIDAY AFTERNOON TO MY COURT. JUDGE WILEY, I THINK RUNS HER COURT ON WEDNESDAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO CONSIDER POINTING THE FORMATION PEOPLE TO THE BOARD MOTION BY MR. ZA? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AYE AYE. I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY SEVEN OF US. DID YOU SAY FOR COMMISSIONER DID A FOREIGN BENCH? I WANT YOU ABOUT LEGAL. OH, I'M SORRY. NOT ONLY ALL OF US ON THAT. I READ THAT PREVIOUS 5 9 3. YES SIR. VERY GOOD. YOU WANT GO AHEAD AND TAKE ME UP AGAIN. OKAY, THEN I'M GONNA GO AHEAD. WE'RE GONNA SKIP DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER SIX AND AGENDA ITEMS. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RE REPORTING JUDGE B MICHAEL CHI AS COMP COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE TO THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE FEBRUARY 1ST, 2013 [00:20:01] THROUGH JANUARY 31ST, 2015. TERM OF OFFICE JUDGE. UH, THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY IS THAT AGENCY THAT, UH, SUPERVISES THE DELIVERY OF INGEN HEALTH SERVICES FOR THE MENTALLY ILL AND LY DEFENDANT FOR THE COUNTY REGION IN RISE IN DALLAS, COLIN ROCKWELL HUNT, KAUFMAN ELLIS AND NARA COUNTIES. AND, UH, IT BASICALLY SUPERVISES A $200 MILLION BUDGET ALLOCATED BY THE STATE FOR TREATMENT IN THOSE SEVEN COUNTIES. AND WE'RE THE OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT SEES THAT THOSE MONIES ARE USED THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY POSSIBLE. UH, I'VE BEEN ON THAT BOARD NOW A LONG TIME, I THINK ABOUT SIX YEARS, SEVEN YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND HAS SERVED AS CHAIRMAN OF THE, UH, BOARD FOR FOUR YEARS, UH, ENDING ABOUT A YEAR AGO. SO, UH, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO KEEP DOING IT AND UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. I WOULD LOVE YOU TO KEEP DOING IT 'CAUSE I'VE ATTENDED SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS ALSO AND IT'S WAY OVER MY PAY BY A LONG SHOT. I WE'RE VERY, VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE JUDGE TTY TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD, UH, THE MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE IN THE NORTH TEXAS REGION. LUCKY TO HAVE JUDGE TTY WORKED THAT HONOR. I APPRECIATE YOU WERE, WHAT WAS THE AWARD THAT YOU GOT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO? IT WAS THE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH AMERICA AWARD FOR ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF MENTALLY ILL. THE, UH, MICHAEL CARMEN MILLER AWARD, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S CALLED, THAT THE PRESENTATION WAS TOP OF THE POSSIBILITY IN DALLAS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D GET UP THERE GETTING BACK NOW, BUT IT WAS WORTHWHILE GONNA SEE, SUGGEST GET THAT WARRANT. NO, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMPANY NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT YOU'RE UNDERSTAND IT'S COMPLICATED AND IT'S, UH, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE BUREAUCRACY IN AUSTIN AND WASHINGTON CONSTANTLY, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OBAMACARE AND TRYING TO STAY ON TOP OF HOW YOU CAN BEST DELIVER NEEDED SERVICES TO THOSE WHO ARE MENTALLY ILL AND CHEMICALLY WADE THROUGH THE BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE THAT AUSTIN AND WASHINGTON CREATES. WELL, ALL THE REPORTS I'VE HAD, UH, ABOUT THIS, UH, UH, THIS BOARD HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT GOOD. SO, UH, I COMMEND YOU, JUDGE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE, I'M LOOKING ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONSIDER REAPPOINTING JUDGE MONT CITY. MS. KAUFMAN COUNTY IS REPRESENTATIVE TO THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS FEBRUARY 1ST, 2013 THROUGH JANUARY, 2030 FIRST, 2015. SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MANDY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ZALE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU JUDGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, JUDGE. YOU BET. THANK YOU. OKAY, AND, UH, IN ESSENCE OF A LITTLE MORE TIME SAVING THING HERE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, TO ALLOW MR. WADE TO GET BACK TO THE, TO HIS BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER NINE, TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REFUNDING FIRE MARSHAL'S BUILDING PERMIT FEES TO RED WAY RED. YOU WANT COME UP AND IS LARRY HERE? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. MYSELF AND I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR REQUEST OF MR. BAILEY. UH, LITTLE BACKGROUND ON IT IS THAT, UH, ONE THESE ALSO ALSO BACKGROUND IS THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE CREATING THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, WE CREATED, UH, UH, A BUILDING CODE, UH, FIRE CODE THAT HE'S ENFORCING. AND IN THAT FIRE CODE, UH, WE AUTHORIZED HIM TO INSPECT ALL BUILDINGS IN THE UN INAPPROPRIATE AREAS OF LIN COUNTY. THE CITIES WERE, WE RUN INTO A CONFLICT SEVERAL TIMES. LARRY HAVE, WERE NOT. YES SIR. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY IN THE CITY'S ETJ. UM, YOU SAY ABOUT, UH, OUR ATTORNEY'S DECISION OUT THERE THAT, THAT CITIES DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE PERMITS TO READ. TJ, THERE'D BEEN A COUPLE COURT CASES. ONE WAS 86 COURT DECISION HERE IN KAMAN COUNTY THAT CONFIRMED THAT, AND I THINK IT WAS NOT HEARD BY THE CIRCUIT COURT CRIMINAL APPEALS. [00:25:01] AND SO IT STOOD, BUT THERE BEEN A COUPLE MUNICIPAL CASES THAT CASE LAW HAS BEEN IN THAT, AND LARRY AND I HAVE TRIED TO DECIDE IN THE PAST IF WE COULD DO IT OR WE COULDN'T DO IT, WE SOUGHT OPINIONS FROM THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAVE ON THE CITY'S VIEWPOINT. AND WE COULD NOT GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER TO EITHER ONE OF EM. COULDN'T THERE? THAT'S CORRECT. BOTH OF THEM SAID GRAY AREA, BE CAREFUL. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CASE LAW NOW THAT BACKS UP AND UH, JOHN HAS, UH, LIEUTENANT BUSH HAS PASSED THAT TO YOU. THERE REAFFIRM THAT THE CITY DO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S NOT FAIR TO A, AN INDIVIDUAL TO PAY TWO PERMIT FEES. WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD THIS MAN WANNA PAY PERMIT FEE TO KAUFMAN COUNTY AND THEN A PERMIT TO THE CITY OF, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HE DID THE RIGHT THING, CAME TO THE COUNTY, GOT GOT THE PERMIT TO THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. THE CITY OF MESQUITE CAME OUT AND RED TA HIM FOR NOT HAVING A PERMIT. AND THEY HAD THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. HE DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, BUT EVIDENTLY THEY DO. SO THEN THEY HIT HIM UP WITH ANOTHER, ANOTHER BUILDING PERMIT. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT BASICALLY HAPPENED. YES. AND HE ASKED ME IF I WOULD PUT HIM ON THE DECE ABOUT RETURNING HIS PERMIT FEE THAT HE DID FOR KAUFFMAN COUNTY BECAUSE MESQUITE IS GOING TO EXERCISE THEIR AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THEIR BUILDING PERMIT ROAD ON THAT DECISION FROM MESQUITE. IS THAT GONNA INCLUDE THE SAFETY ISSUE? WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL WOULD ALSO DO AS FAR AS MEANS? ME APOLOGIZE, FRONT TO YOU GUYS. RAY CALLED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND MY WIFE HAD UNEXPECTED ILLNESS, HAD PUT HER IN THE HOSPITAL AND I WAS GONE THE REST OF THE WEEK. SO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO TURN OVER RANDY, BUT I OVER, IF I CAN'T ANSWER ANYTHING, I RANDY OVER CONVERSE WITH YOU, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW THAT WOUND UP IN OTHER, ARE THEY GONNA TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING IN THEIR ETJ OR DO WE STILL HAVE THAT PORTION OF IT? BECAUSE, SO OUR ACTUAL PERMIT ARE BASED ON LIFE SAFETY INSPECTIONS REALLY INSTEAD THE BUILDING CODE. AND SO THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU COULD DO THAT. BUT ANYWAY, LEMME RIGHT NOW STOP BEFORE I PUT MY FOOT IN MY MOUTH AND ASK RANDY TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH THAT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WERE, UH, WERE Y'ALL PRIVY TO THE EMAILS THAT GOT BACK FROM THE CITY OF, DID YOU LOOK AT THOSE? YES, SIR. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY MESQUITE, UH, STEEL JUICE IS ISSUED PERMITS FOR, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, PLANNING, YOU KNOW, THE ROADS, THE WATERWAYS, SO FORTH. UH, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY OF MESQUITE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE AND IS NOT GOING TO DO THE PLAN REVIEWS FOR THE SITE PLANS AND THE FOUR PLANS CONCERNING, UH, THE FIRE LINE SAFETY ISSUES, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, NUMBERS OF EXITS, MARKED EXITS, SMOKE DETECTORS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, ET CETERA. AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE RESPOND, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT THEY WANT, THEY WANT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INSPECTION. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THEY WANT JUST WANT, THEY'RE POINTING HIM TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD A BUILDING IN THEIR CITY AND 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO ENFORCE, UH, SOME OF THEIR CITY REGULATIONS INTO THE ETJ BEING CONCRETE SURFACES, UH, BRICK FACADES, ET CETERA OF THAT NATURE. UH, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY, UH, UNDERSTANDING YET. ARE THEY GONNA DO ALL THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS, THE PLUMBING INSPECTIONS AND SO FORTH, SOME OF WHICH DO FALL UNDER THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, IMPROPER GROUNDING AND PROPER WIRE GAUGES, UH, CAN RESULT IN A, A FIRE AND OR LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. UH, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WILL NOT AND ARE NOT GONNA DO FIRE RELATED PLAN REVIEWS. AND UH, ACCORDING TO AS WELL, UH, THE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY, MESQUITE MYSELF, I THINK YOU GOT A COPY OF IT SAYS APPROVAL OF ALL THE MESQUITE CLUBS, INCLUDING THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE TO GO INTO OUR BUILDING PERMIT. THEN WHILE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THEIR BUILDING, THEY ALWAYS LOOK FOR FIRE CENTRAL COMPLIANCE TOO. BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH HAVING YOUR COUNTY ISSUE A SEPARATE PRIOR PERMIT. IT SOUND LIKE THEY'RE SAYING THEY, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THERE TO DO AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN DO IT. AND THEN YOU FALL BACK UNDER THIS PEOPLE I READ WHO'S BEEN GOOD AS GOLD OVER THE YEARS, TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND WHAT WOULD SAY THAT WHAT WE WOULD SEE OUT THERE WOULD BE WHAT THEY SEE. ONE, THE, THAT I RAISED THAT ISSUE [00:30:01] WITH IT. ONE THING THEY SAID THAT, UH, THE MORE STRINGENT DETERMINATION WOULD APPLY BOTH GOING BY THE SAME CODE ON THE SAME PAGE. RIGHT. INTERPRETATION. THAT'S WHAT INTERPRETING, INTERPRETING THE CODE ONE WAY THE CITY OF MOSQUITO INTERPRETING THE CODE THE OTHER WAY THAT WOULDN'T, THAT'S NOT FAIR TO, TO A BUILDER TO GO OUT THERE AND SERVE TWO DIFFERENT MASTER CAN'T DO THAT NEEDS TO BE AN ISSUE. THAT PART AGREE WITH IF, UH, MULTIPLE PERMITS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO MUNICIPALITIES. LARGE COUNTIES, UH, MANY OF THEM SEPARATED OUT THE TURE ELECTRICAL PERMIT, YOUR PLUMBING PERMIT, YOUR DEVELOPERS PERMIT AND ET CETERA FIRE. UH, THEY BASICALLY HAVE ONE PERMIT THAT COVERS MY UNDERSTANDING ALL BUT THE PROCESS OF DOING THE PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS OF THE, UH, FIRE CODE AND OUR PERMIT WOULD COVER THAT PORTION, WHICH IS WHAT THE INTENTION WAS WHEN THE COURT INITIALLY ADOPTED THIS CODE, IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE FIRE SAFETY CODE. UH, IF YOU GO THE, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT FORMS SO TO SPEAK ON OUR FIRE CODE, YOU HAVE ONE FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH IS ALL INCLUSIVE OF EVERYTHING, BUT IF A BUILDING ALREADY EXISTS FOR THE FIRE AND SAFETY ISSUE INSPECTION, THEN THAT COMES OVER ON TABLE TWO, WHICH IS MUCH LESS. I CAN EVEN SEE HOW THAT INSPECTION WOULD BE THE LESSER FEE, WHICH IS GENERALLY HUNDRED 50. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS RICK GOES IN AND BUILDS AN ENTIRE NEW BUILDING, BUILDS IT ACCORDING TO WHAT QUI TELLS HIM TO DO IT. AND THEN WHENEVER THE FILE COMES KNOW WE'VE HAD NO PART IN IT AT THAT POINT, BUT THEN WE COME OUT BECAUSE HE NEEDS A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE AND GOES WITH THIS LESSER TO GET THAT DONE AND WE FIND OUT SOME MAJOR ISSUE THAT SHOULD BEEN ADDRESSED DURING THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION PHASE THAT WASN'T NOW MORE, IT'S REAL CONFUSING AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION TO MAKE SURE T WHAMY TRY GET IT STRAIGHT. SO I ANYTHING WE CAN, YOU'RE SPEAKING MAINLY OF FIRE CODE ON THAT ISSUE? YES SIR. ON THAT ISSUE, THE COUNTY'S FIRE CODE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY OR MESQUITE'S FIRE CODE. I BELIEVE MESQUITE IS, HAS ADOPTED THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE SIX. WE, OUR COUNTY HAS INTERNATIONAL FIRE BELIEVE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. SAME I DO KNOW THEY INTERNATIONAL AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE, I FIRMLY BELIEVE DONE EXACTLY CORRECT, BUT I WOULD JUST HATE TO THINK THE DOWN ROAD WOULD GO THAT ROUTE. IT MIGHT COST SOME THE CITY OF, WE DEALT WITH THE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND RESOLUTION TO IT. SO IF YOU'RE CONFUSED, IMAGINE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DEAL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I PROPOSED YOU COURT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION, THIS ALTHOUGH ATTORNEY GENERAL SUBPOENA WOULDN'T PROCEED COURT CASES LEAST WE COULD THANK DON PRETTY WELL. DON GET YOUR OPINION ON WHAT THIS IS GOING. THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT THIS ONE LITTLE PERMIT. RIGHT. IT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM HERE ON NOW. EXACTLY RIGHT. AND AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, RANDY WAS SAYING SOMETHING AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WERE CHECKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CITY OF THE SKI IS? IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NOT A COMPLETE OVERLAP OR PARTIAL OVERLAP. CORRECT. MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY OF THE SKI IS WANTING TO REVIEW FIRSTLY WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING, WHERE IT'S GONNA BE LOCATED. OKAY. HOW THAT BUILDING'S GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED, WHAT BUILDING MATERIALS WOULD BE USED, UH, SOME OF WHICH THEY WOULD APPLY WITH THEIR CITY ORDINANCE AS TO A CERTAIN TYPE OF A BRICK FACADE OR SOME CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF AN ACCURATE OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY REFERENCE IN THE EMAIL SAYS WHERE THEY DO AGREE. MATTER OF FACT, I BELIEVE THEY SAID FOR US TO KEEP DOING AS WE [00:35:01] HAVE, WE DO THE, AND THE INSPECTION PROCESS RELATED TO ALL THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY FEATURES, THAT'S FAIRLY EASY TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO ON ALL BUILDINGS. AND THE ONLY COMPLICATION WAS, IS WHAT LARRY REFERRING TO. WHAT IF SOME OF THOSE FEATURES DO TIE BACK IN CONSTRUCTION PROCESS ITSELF, ELECTRICAL NOT BEING THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UH, HOW ARE WE TO KNOW IS COMMUNICATE WITH US THAT , THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE, THE NATIONAL PLUMBING CODE, WHICH ARE ALL REFERENCES OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE. WE NEED TO WORK OUT HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. OKAY. SO IN FAIRNESS TO YOU, THE SERVICE THAT YOU'RE RENDERING FOR WITH THE CITY, THE CITY IS DOING THIS MUCH AND YOU'RE NOT COMING IN AND REPEATING THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE PAST WE HAVE DONE WHAT WE DO PLUS IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE CITY'S DOING. OKAY. UH, SOME OF THAT WOULD BE REPETITIVE. THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE COULD COORDINATE THAT WITH, IN THESE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS MAY RESOLVE OUR ISSUES. THERE ARE STILL SERVICES THAT WE, THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CITY WILL AND WHICH IS WHAT WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED IN OUR HIRING CODE. WELL, MY THOUGHT IS BASED ON THAT, I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T REQUEST AN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION TO BE READY FOR THE FACT, TAKE A WHILE. IT MAY NOT SAY WHAT YOU WANT AND IT MAY NOT REALLY CLARIFY. IT MAY SAY WHO'S TO SAY AND, AND IF, AND GIVEN WHAT RANDY JUST SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WHERE WE AGREE TO THE CITIES WE'RE GONNA BE FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, PART OF HIS CONCERN SEEMS TO BE WHEN ARE WE CONTACTED IN THE PROCESS? EXACTLY. AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONTRACT FOR WITH THE CITIES AND, AND THE AG CAN REALLY HELP US ON THAT SIMILAR TO WHY WE USE HEAVY TYPE PER MINUTES. YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE GENERAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM ON SAFETY TYPE PERMIT. YEAH. AND, AND, AND I MEAN HAVE, HAVE RANDY AND LARRY SITTING AND SAY THIS IS WHERE WE PROVIDE SERVICES THAT YOU, WE NEED CONTACT WITH THE CITY HANDS OFF OR WHATEVER. IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE WE FASHION HOW WE WANNA FIGURE IT OUT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE, MY LAST CONCERN IS, IS WHEN THE FARCO WAS ADOPTED UNDER THE COMMISSION BOARD WAS ADOPTED UNDER LOCAL CODE, UH, WE STEPPED ASIDE OF ALL THIS, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE LIABILITY AND ISSUES THERE WE'RE MANDATED REQUIRED. THAT QUESTION WAS MY CONCERN TOO. WHAT IS OUR LIABILITY IF WE DON'T DO IT? WE WE'RE REQUIRED FOR THEM TO OBTAIN A PERMIT AND UH, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED THE COUNTY SHALL INSPECT SUBJECT. WELL, IT, ALTHOUGH IT'S MANDATORY DUTY, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO QUANTIFY WHAT OUR FAILURE TO INSPECT WOULD BE, WHICH IS A A LONG WAY OF SAYING, UM, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CASES OUT THERE, I HAVEN'T SEEN SOMETHING THAT SAYS YOUR FAILURE TO THIS DAMAGE. BUT WE COULD BE THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, WHICH MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WE'D WANT TO, A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. BUT I I I GUESS FROM A HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDPOINT OF VIEW, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE INSPECT OUR ENTIRE JOB IS TO TRY TO AVOID WHAT OCCURRED THIS PAST. SO IS THIS WHERE YOUR POSITION CAME FROM? UH, IN LAST, THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THIS, UH, PASS EIGHTH REGARDING PLA ISSUED FUTURE FUTURE CONSTRUCTION. DURING THAT DISCUSSION, THEY INDICATED THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE FOR COLLIN COUNTY IS CLAIMING THAT THE CITY MESQUITES SHOULD NOT HAVE ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT AND DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION ISSUE A BEER PERMIT. THE CITY'S DJ IS THAT WHERE THAT CAME FROM? THAT WAS AT THE TIME. AND UH, WE WEREN'T MADE AWARE AT THAT TIME OF THE TWO CASES, WHICH TWO [00:40:01] CASES AND ASPECTS OF PERMIT WERE PROVIDED TO THE, IN THEIR, THOSE TWO CASES. I WENT TO THE COUNTY TO GET MY PERMIT. UH, I GOT SEVERAL FROM AND SO, AND TALKED TO THEM 15, 20 MINUTES AND SAID, GO AHEAD AND EXIT IT. THEY SAID, WE DON'T GET ANY PROBLEMS MESQUITE, BUT WHOEVER THEY TALKED TO MUST, I STARTED WORKING OUT THERE. WELL, HERE THEY CAME AND I WENT AND TALKED TO AND I'VE ALREADY PAID THIS PERMIT, DO THIS BUILDING AND THE NEXT BUILDING I'LL LET YOU DO, BUT LEMME FINISH THIS LORD. AND THEY INSPECTED, CAME OUT AND INSPECTED MY STEEL. THEY INSPECTED, UH, BEFORE I PORTED, AFTER I POURED OUT THE PICTURED OF IT, THESE GENTLEMEN DID. SO, YOU KNOW, WELL, UH, TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE IN THE FUTURE, IT PROBABLY GONNA TAKE A LITTLE MORE WORK. BUT TO SOLVE THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM, WHICH IS WHAT MR. WIND ASKED TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR REFUNDING THE BUILDING, THE FIRE BUILDING BROKE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE MOTION IN REGARD FOR THAT DISCUSSION? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO, TO OVERLAPPING FEES. IF, IF THE, UH, IF THE COLMAN COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL HAS TO HAVE PERMITS AND THEN THE, UH, MESQUITE, UH, PEOPLE FROM METE BUILDING SPECTRUM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT ALSO. UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE HAS TO BE OVERLAPPING FEET THE WAY THIS LOOKS UNTIL, UNTIL THERE'S SOMETHING MADE A LITTLE CLEAR. THEY BOTH HAVE JURISDICTION. YEAH, THEY BOTH HAVE JURISDICTION. SO PROPER PERMIT. ANYBODY, ANYBODY YOUR OFFICE HAVE PLUMBING GLASSES. PLUMBING GLASSES? NO, I SAID THAT'S ISSUE. THERE'S, IT'S ILLEGAL TO INSPECT THAT THE PLUMBING'S ONLY PLUMBING'S THE ONLY TRADE THAT HAS TO BE LICENSED TO INSPECT. I COULD GO OUT AND INSPECT FOUNDATIONS OR ELECTRICAL, WHATEVER, BUT IN ORDER TO GIVE A PLUMBING INSPECTION, YOU HAVE TO BE A LICENSED LICENSE. PLUMBING HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. THERE'S NO LICENSE TO BE AN INSPECTOR OR CERTIFICATIONS THAT THESE IN PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO KEEP THE INSPECT PLUMBING NOW. WELL WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS RANDY INSPECTOR, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERIFYING WHAT THE ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IS BEING INSTALLED. ALL THEY'RE DOING IS VISUALLY CONFIRMING THAT THAT IS ACCORDING TO WHAT THAT LICENSED INSPECTOR, I MEAN LICENSE ARCHITECT ENGINEERING HAS DONE, IT'S JUST A VISUAL KIND OF, WE ARE LICENSED FIRE INSPECTION COMMISSION FIRE PROTECTIONS. THAT LICENSE AND IT DOES COVER, COVER SPECIFICALLY COVER THE PLUMBING, HAVE ALL WE'RE DOING. THE CITY'S GONNA PLUMBING PART. IT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. DOES, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE TIME? SO WHAT, WHAT THE MOTION IS, IS THAT, THAT THE FIRE MARSHALS NOT GOING TO NO INSPECT. WE'RE WE'RE GOING HAVE TO COME UP WITH A COURT ORDER TO TELL THEM WHAT TO, BUT THIS CONVERSATION WAS ALL BROUGHT ABOUT BY THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DOUBLE PERMIT AND WHAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO RESOLVE THESE GUYS PRETTY QUICK. WE WON'T HAVE THIS, I'M SURE THESE COME UP WITH EVERY, AND WE NEED, WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND, WHAT WE CAN DO. AND WE'RE FLEXIBLE IN THERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY HERE TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE LIKE WE, WE DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THIS. WE'RE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IT'S DONE. MY MY POINT SAID MESQUITE WAS THAT WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A FIRE OUT THERE, THE RESPONDERS ARE GOING BE OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS ON FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE MESQUITE, NOT GONNA COME BACK EXCEPT EMERGENCY. WELL AS TO, SO OUR LOCAL GUYS NEED TO KNOW WHEN THEY GO INTO A BUILDING, OUR VOLUNTEER, THAT BUILDING SAFE TO GO INTO, WHICH FALLS BACK UNDER THE RIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, [00:45:01] THE, UH, THERE IS A FIRE FALLS UPON COUNTY INVESTIGATION AND NOT THE CITY. WAS THAT OF MOTION COMMISSIONER HAD A TABLE MOTION BEEN TABLE SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, IT'S PRIOR ON THAT FAVOR, WE'LL GET BACK. WE, WE'LL GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH OUR CITY, THE FARM RIGHT THERE. HOPEFULLY IT'S VERY D OKAY. I DO APPRECIATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. LET'S GO BACK IN ORDER FOR A MINUTE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? CAN WE PLEASE KATHY MORRIS TO ACCEPT THE PUBLIC REPORT FOR DECEMBER, 2012? THANK YOU. UM, FOR DECEMBER, 2012, WE 10 PERMITS FOR STIC SYSTEM AND BY PRECINCT, UH, PRECINCT ONE, THREE AND FOUR HAD THREE EACH PRECINCT TWO HAD ONE. INVESTIGATORS WERE 76. THERE WERE EIGHT PHYSICAL FOLLOW UPS AND THERE WERE 51 COURT CASES FILED. AND FOR ADDRESSES WE HAD FIVE PRECINCT ONE, TWO IN PRECINCT TWO BY PRECINCT THREE AND 11 IN PRECINCT FOUR FOR A TOTAL OF 17. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE GIS DATA FROM THE FILE BECAUSE LIKE I TOLD YOU LAST TIME, THE GUY THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH HAD RESIGNED AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAS KIND OF FILLING IN AND TAKING HIS PLACE AND HAS NOT SUBMITTED US A REPORT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU. BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH RICK WITH COMBAT TO TRY AND STRAIGHTEN OUT ALL OF THEIR ISSUES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR DECEMBER. IS THERE ANY PROGRESS IN THAT PHASE? WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING A CALL TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS TO THEIR, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING HIRE SOMEBODY TO REPLACE THIS GUY OR MOVE THE PERSON THAT WAS DOING JUST THE WEST SIDE OF THE EAST. WE DON'T KNOW. SO WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTIES GETTING RESPONSES FROM FATHER TO SEE HOW THAT'S, AND JUST FOR A, A SIDE NOTE FOR THE, THE TOTAL OF PERMITS, SUBJECT SYSTEMS FOR ALL OF LAST YEAR WAS 180, WHICH ABOUT THE SAME AS WE HAD FOR 2011. ANY QUESTIONS OF KEVIN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT. SO MADE MOTION MADE DR. MR. MANNING SECOND DR. MR TO ACCEPT KATHY'S REPORT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK KEVIN. THANK YOU. MS. COOPER PRESENT, ACCEPT YOUR REPORT FOR DECEMBER, 2012. THIS REPORT SAYS OF DECEMBER 31ST, AND THAT'S THREE MONTHS INTO YOUR FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT 25%. YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES OR 34 20, 40 6% EXPENDITURES ARE AT 22.94. SO REVENUES ARE COMING IN BETTER THAN EXPECTED FOR THREE MONTHS. AND EXPENDITURES DOWN THE BELOW THE 25. THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD. THAT'S RIGHT DIRECTION TO BE. WHY WOULD THE ELECTION EXPENSE BE 58% RIGHT NOW? THAT BE SOME TYPE OF REASON. THE ELECTION EXPENSE, BECAUSE WE HAD THE ELECTION, I HAD A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE AUDITOR REPORT FROM DECEMBER, 2012. MOTION MADE BY MR. DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSING CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. AND WE HAD ONE BOUNDARY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION HERE. AND JUDGE, I TAKE ANOTHER [00:50:01] EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE RIGHT HERE IN ONE OF OUR CONFERENCES THAT WAS SITTING, SITTING NEXT TO A GROUP OF PHYSICIANS, DOCTORS, AND THEIR DISCUSSION WAS, WHO COULD I OPERATE ON THE BEST? AND ONE OF 'EM SAID, WELL, I'D LIKE TO OPERATE ON THE AUDITOR COUNTY AUDITOR'S BEST BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S LINED UP OVER HERE AND OVER HERE ALL IN RIGHT PLACE. THE SECOND GUY SAID, I LIKE, I PREFER OPERATING ON THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER BECAUSE ALL THEIR STUFF IS ORDERED. IT'S AND NEAT. IT'S IN THERE, IT'S IN ORDER, NEEDS TO BE. AND THE THIRD ONE SAYS THAT HE'D LIKE, HE'D PREFER TO OPERATE ON THE COUNTY JUDGE. SO WHY IS THAT? HE SAID, WELL, THAT'S VERY LITTLE BACKBONE, VERY LITTLE STOMACH AND THE HEAD. AND THE VERY INTERCHANGEABLE JUDGE SAYS, OUR JUDGE NOT, UH, GENTLEMAN IN, UH, 1982, MYSELF AS COUNTY JUDGE COTON COUNTY JUDGE CORN FROM ELLIS COUNTY AND JUDGE CAROL FROM, UH, PUNT COUNTY, UH, FORMED A NONPROFIT CORPORATION CALLED NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. THE PURPOSE OF THIS C CONGRESS HAD JUST PASSED A LAW ALLOWING THESE TO BE CREATED OVER THE UNITED STATES. AND THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO HELP ARRANGE FINANCING FOR CONTRACTORS WHO WANT TO BUILD HOUSING PROJECTS FOR LOW AND, UH, MEDIUM INCOME FAMILIES. AND, UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. AND SO WE FORMED A CORPORATION. IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR 31 YEARS NOW. UH, THE BIG PROJECT, UH, HERE IN CAMAN COUNTY WE HAD IS THE, UH, HOUSING PROJECT ON HIGHWAY 1 48 GOING MATERIAL ACROSS FROM THE, UH, PART OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROJECT HERE. OUR CURRENT PROJECT HERE IN KAUFMAN ARE THE APARTMENTS THAT DO THE FIFTH STREET. THE CONTRACTOR THERE IS SPENDING $15,000 PER UNIT REMODELING THOSE DEPARTMENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE PRIMARILY SENIOR CITIZENS. UH, THE, UH, CORPORATION SET UP, UH, COMMISSIONER THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WE FELT LIKE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SPORT WOULD BE THE GROUP IN THE COUNTY WHO WOULD KNOW, UH, THE BEST PEOPLE TO SERVE ON, ON THE BOARD. THE BOARD IS AN OVERSIGHT, UH, AND A CONTRACT WANTS TO BUILD PROJECT WHO COMES TO THE BOARD, PRESENTS HIS PROJECT, UH, SOUTHWEST, UH, FINANCE SOUTHWEST, UH, FINANCES HELPS US DO THE PIPELINE INVESTIGATION. UH, SOME PROJECTS ARE TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THE REPUTATION OF THE CONTRACT, SOME PROJECTS ARE, UH, TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THE LOCAL ENTITY AND WHOSE JURISDICTION IS GOING BE DON'T WANT THE PROJECT. SO, UH, THE PAST 31 YEARS WE'VE HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE GET IN. UH, THE, UH, WE DON'T GET PAID. THERE'S NO MONEY INVOLVED. THERE'S NO LIABILITY ON PART OF THE COUNTY BOARDS WHERE, OR SOME ENTITIES WHERE, UH, THE COUNTY HAS BACKUP LIABILITY. AND IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS, THE COUNTY CORPORATION, ALL THE FINANCE CORPORATIONS HAVE A CORPORATION. THERE IS NO LIABILITY ON THE ENTITY BELONGS TO. WE FIRST, UH, INCLUDED THE, UH, 12 COUNTY, 12 COUNTIES THERE, 14 COUNTIES SURROUND DALLAS AND PARENTS CO. WE INCLUDED 12 OF THOSE. BEN AND COL COUNTY, NOT ONE PARTICIPATE IN DALLAS COUNTY HAS. HOWEVER, SOME OF THE CITIES IN DALLAS COUNTY OFFERED TO GO WITH US. SO WE HAVE CITY MEMBERS, WE HAVE COUNTY MEMBERS. AND CURRENTLY ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, WE DECIDED WE COULD HELP MORE PEOPLE IF WE DIVIDED IT. SO WE SPLIT THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNTY CORPORATION AND THE WEST COUNTIES WENT ON THEIR OWN. WE KEPT THE NAME BECAUSE WE WERE THE ORIGINALS. SO WE KEPT THE NAME AND THEY, THEY, SO NOW WE SERVE PARTS OF THE CITIES IN DALLAS COUNTY. WE SERVE, UH, DALLAS COUNTY, COUNTY, ROCKWELL COUNTY AND HUNT COUNTY. AND THAT'S OUR GROUP. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. UH, WE ISSUE TAX FREE BONDS AND UH, THE PROJECT ITSELF IS THE SECURITY OF FLORIDA'S TAX FREE BONDS. AND I'VE SERVED ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MANY YEARS OF 31. CURRENTLY I'M CALLED FROM COUNTY'S, UH, VOTING MEMBER, UH, COUNTY [00:55:01] HISTORIC HAS HAD ONE VOTING MEMBER AND, AND, UH, TWO ALTERNATES. UH, AND I'M JUST HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT THE CORPORATION IS ABOUT. I'VE BEEN PART OF IT SINCE THE, EXCUSE ME, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF 31 YEARS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE SERVING ON 24. AND I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I SIR DON'T. SO IS CEDAR HILL MAINTEN NOT IN ANYMORE OR NO, THEY'RE STILL, SOME OF THE CITIES IN DALLAS COUNTY ARE STILL WITH US. AS A MATTER OF FACT, OUR PRESIDENT, UH, THE LEADER OF CHAIRMAN, NOT PRESIDENT, CHAIRMAN, UH, IS A FORMER MAYOR OF CEDAR HILL. UH, COMMISSIONER SHANNON AND I SERVED ON THE BOARD TOGETHER, UH, IN ON, AGAIN, SINCE YOU ALL YOUR INSTITUTIONAL YOU GOT ON IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU SERVE ON THAT BOARD AGAIN. AND THEN COMMISSIONER, YOU ASKED ME THAT DAY, I WOULD SERVE ON THAT BOARD AND CLIENT LIKE YOU DID BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME OR WHATEVER. BUT I WOULD, I, SOMEBODY WOULD, I WOULD SERVE AS ON THAT, MAKE A MOTION, MR. JUDGE. SECOND CLARK IS . I WONDER YOU WITH ME ON, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT. CONVEY TO WHAT COMMISSIONER IS THE VOTING MEMBER, UH, FORMER JUDGE JEN, I CALL YOU YESTERDAY GONNA SOUND LIKE YOU'VE BEEN A DAD AND MYSELF AS UH, ALTERNATE IS YOUR SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR A A GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE SERVING YOUR HONOR WITH MR. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT TIME WE HAVE, WE DISCOVER AND CONSIDER APPRO PROPOSAL FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED TO REMOVE LEAD FROM THE GUN RAID BEHIND THE PARAGRAPH, SHERIFF THAT I BELIEVE Y'ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE PROPOSAL. UH, THESE PEOPLE, UH, CONTACT US AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT, UH, POLLUTION OUT THERE, THE FROM CH LEAD AND DOESN'T HAVE THE PLACE. UH, THIS COMPANY GOES AROUND AND, UH, MEDIATES THAT BEFORE THE LEAD. WHAT, UH, THEY, UH, CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT IT AND, AND, UH, SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT. UH, SO WE IN WRITING AND I WOULD NEED CONTRACT. IS THAT CORRECT, JOHN? I THINK SO. CONTRACT, IT'S NOT GOING COMPLETELY CLEAN IT UP. SO PROBABLY SOME, YOU KNOW, CURATING GET THE SOLID, ALL THE SOLID, UH, POLLUTION OUT THERE LOOKING LIKE A WIN SITUATION ON THIS THING. BECAUSE THE FIRST I LOOKED AT WHAT'S THIS GONNA COST US AND I LOOKED AT THERE SAYS NO COST. I'M THINKING IF WE CAN REMOVE THE LEAD FROM THE ENVIRONMENT AT NORTH COST COUNTY, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING POSSIBLE THAT HAS THAT EVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, SHERRY? NO. SO WE GONNA HAVE TO BE ABLE TO NEED BURNS AFTER THEY GET THROUGH? NO, THEY, THEY REPLACED THE BURN. OH, THEY, THEY GONNA TAKE OUT THE LEAD. THEY THAT AND THEY REBUILD. THEY WILL PUT THE BURN BACK IN TODAY. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ANY, ANY, UH, DETERIORATION OR RETROGRADING. DO THEY INDICATE WHAT THE CONCENTRATION OF LEAD? NO, THEY'LL JUST COME OUT AND THEY'LL GO DOWN UNTIL THEY, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE PRODUCT, WHICH IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, AT THAT ANGLE I WOULD THINK PROBABLY, UH, YOU KNOW, 12 TO 18 INCHES WOULD BE, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA PENETRATE. I DOUBT IT PENETRATE THAT FORM. THE, UH, THEY WILL, UH, KEEP SCREENING UNTIL THEY'RE NOT GETTING PRODUCT. I GONNA TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE HIS PROPOSAL PENDING, UH, ATTORNEY'S APPROVAL. CONTRACT MOTION MADE BY [01:00:01] COMMISSIONER SHA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADDY, WHEN YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION. ALL THANK YOU. THOSE KIND OF PROPOSALS. NEXT ITEM NUMBER 10, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER SETTING THE POLICY REGARDING OPPORT DUTY SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT OF CONCOR COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL. NOW I'D BOTH ADD ON THE AGENDA, UH, IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. REALLY JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO ATTENTION THAT WE NEED A POLICY. Y'ALL WANT TO RAM WRITE THIS DOWN ANY PLACE ROAD I'VE GOT, EVERYBODY'S GOT A COPY OF WHAT THE SHERIFF USES FOR HIS POLICY, BUT ANYBODY IN KNOW, FIRE MARSHAL, CONSTABLES, ANYBODY THAT'S COMMISSIONED, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A OFF DUTY POLICY FORM. SO LIVE OUR LIABILITY. SHERIFF, YOU'LL GIVE US JUST A BRIEF RUNDOWN OF, OF WHY NOT DUTY POLICY. OBVIOUS. THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE THE, UH, WE HAD SEVERAL YEARS WE HAD A ATTORNEY MEMBER RULING THAT IF AN OFF DUTY OFFICER WAS WORKING UNDER HIS PERMISSION THAT THE COUNTY HAD LIABILITY OR THEIR, THE EMPLOYING AGENCY FAR AS WORKERS' COMP OR, UH, ANY, YOU KNOW, UH, MISDEED OR ANYTHING THAT THEY DID ON THERE. SO, UH, EVERYBODY OBVIOUSLY THEN WE CAN DOING UH, YOU KNOW, POLICY, THIS POLICY, WE'VE GOT PRETTY WELL TRACKS. UH, DPS POLICY. UH, GENERALLY WE DON'T OBVIOUSLY ALLOW THEM TO WORK ANYMORE. THERE'S ALCOHOL. UH, THE EXCEPTION OF THAT WOULD BE LIKE AT THE CATTLE BEARING BALL WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE, UH, HIGH END CHARITY THINGS WHERE THEY, THEY NEED PEOPLE OUT THERE MAINLY ON THE PARKING LOT. BUT AS FAR AS WORKING, UH, YOU KNOW, CLUBS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT ALLOW 'EM DO THAT. UH, THEY'RE DO CAMP WORK ANYWHERE OBVIOUSLY WHERE ACTIVITY GOING ON GOING ON. WE HAVE, UH, A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF, THEY HAVE TO HAVE, THEY ONLY WORK SO MANY HOURS, UH, IN AGGREGATE DURING A WEEK OR A PERIOD. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE, I BELIEVE A SIX HOUR REST, UH, TO HAVE POLICY SIX HOURS COME BACK ON DUTY. UH, AND THAT'S A, OBVIOUSLY A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE. WE DON'T COME SOME OF WORKING UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND COME AND GET IN A PATROL CAR, SIX O'CLOCK WORK. IT'S, UH, ALSO SAFETY IN, HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, EMERGENCY NATURE WHERE THEY NEED SOMEONE RIGHT THEN AND THEY CAN DO IT VERBALLY. AND THEN WE, WE, WE CONTROL IT, UH, PRETTY TIGHT. I PASSED OUT COPY TO THIS SHERIFF'S POLICY TO VOTE . I THOUGHT THEY'D BE INTERESTED THAT AND ASK THEM ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD AND THAT COULD PROBABLY, I DIDN'T GET ANY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE SOME, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE. THEY'RE GOING BE CONCERNED WITH THIS AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO ADOPT THE SPECIFIC POLICY OR MAYBE, UH, PLAGIARIZE A LITTLE BIT WHERE IT FITS WHAT WORKS WELL FOR THE CONSTABLE OR WHATEVER. SO I INTEND A LOT 'EM TRY TO SET UP SOME TYPE OF COMMITTEE ON A COMMITTEE TO DEATH. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEBODY TO SERVE ON THIS WITH A CONSTABLE. I THINK THE SHERIFF SHOULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY GOT THE POLICY IN PLACE WHETHER THIS FITS THE REST OF THE PEOPLE OR NOT, DON'T REALLY KNOW, UH, FOR LIKE FOR A COMMISSIONER OR TWO WOULD BE ON THAT. I'LL SERVE YOUR HONOR, IF YOU'LL, AND THEN SINCE MY GOOD BUDDY GEORGE ALWAYS PUTS ME ON COMMITTEES. GEORGE, I'D LIKE YOU TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE TOO, JUST TO PUT SOME INPUT INTO SO YOU GOT SOME EXPERIENCES AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I'M JUST NOT HIM GETTING IT. 19. SO YOU'RE GIVING ME THIS. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE OF COMMISSIONER MANNING, COMMISSIONER SHANE, THE SHERIFF AND GEORGE, OR TO BRING IN SAFE POLICY NOT BE POLICY? HE GOING PUT A CURRENT CONSTABLE IN THERE ALSO AND ONE CONSTABLE CONSTABLE INFORMED [01:05:07] THEY DID, DID HAVE INPUT INTO IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK SIR. OKAY, JEFF ISSUE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADVERTISING REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR ASSISTING COUPLAND COUNTY MITIGATION ACTION. YES, IT'S GOOD MORNING GENTLEMEN. I YOUR PERMISSION TO ADVERTISE, I BELIEVE, UH, STEVE EY UH, I'LL, STEVE, WE'RE I PERMISSION TO A, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO, THERE'S COURT AND THIS IS WHAT IT FOR IS TO HIRE CONSULTANT TO DO THIS. SO THIS IS A ONE WEEK WE SPOKE TO Y'ALL AT LAST, LAST MEETING OR ONE IN DECEMBER WHERE, UH, LATE 90,000 GRANT 75. 25. UH, MOST OF OUR PART OF IT SHOULD COME FROM IN TIME, WHICH THE TIME OF THE MEMBERS, UH, BEING ON THE COMMITTEE TO HELP PUT THIS TOGETHER. SO, UH, WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS DOING IS ALLOWING US TO GO OUT AND SEEK REPUTABLE FIRMS, UH, IDENTIFY THEIR QUALIFICATIONS TO GET A GOOD COMPANY TO COME IN AND HELP PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR US SO WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN. YOU CAN GET IT BACK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN START ACCESSING THOSE OTHER GRANTS, BUT IT'LL ALLOW US TO GO GO FORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS STEVE? I THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE FOR THE, FOR THE 90,000 PLUS OUR PARK. WELL WHEN, WHEN I, IF 90,075 IN OUR PARK IS 25, BUT WHEN I FIRST WENT OUT AND TALKED TO SOME DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST, THEY WERE GIVING ME A RANGE OF 45, $50,000 AND ONE OF 'EM SAID WELL PUT IN FOR THE GRANT FOR 60,000. SO WHEN I WROTE THE GRANT, I KICKED IT UP IN 90 BECAUSE, SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY. I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO NORMAL PROCESS WILL, UH, PROPOSAL NEGOTIATE WITH THEM AT THAT POINT. WE THEM KNOW WHERE WILL OUR 25% COME FROM? SAID ANY KIND SERVICES. YEAH, BECAUSE VOLUNTEERS ARE 1827 AN HOUR. SO IF WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 25 PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE, 20 18, 27 AN HOUR, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO RUN UP TO DO ANY KIND PART OF THAT. SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY HOPE ANYWAY. THAT VERY WORST. I DON'T SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT OUT MUCH IF ANY. AND THERE AGAIN, IT'S A TWO YEAR PERFORMANCE PERIOD, SO IT'LL BE SPREAD OVER TWO YEARS. IF WE HAD TO PUT OUT ANY DOLLAR SINCE IT'S RFP, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT'S OUR CORRECT, SO WE'RE NOT MONEY RIGHT NOW. WE'LL SPEND THE 90,000 GRANT MONEY INITIALLY OR WHATEVER THE TOTAL IS. FIVE. IF EVERYTHING COMES IN 60,000, WE'LL ONLY SPEND 60,000 AND WE 25 OF THAT. OKAY. SO WE'RE STILL 90 FOR 25%. YES SIR. MATTER, THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE 22,500. RIGHT. BUT LIKE I SAID, HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME IN UNDER THAT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE A LOT EASIER ON JACK ADVERTISE. SO MAY ABOUT COMMISSIONER MANNING. SECOND. SECOND ZA, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR. AYE. THIS NEXT ONE YOU ALSO, IT IS NUMBER 12. DISCUSS IT. CONSIDER A COUNTYWIDE POLICY FOR BUSINESS CARDS AND LETTERHEAD. UH, FOR TODAY, UH, CONCERN ON JUST THE COST [01:10:06] MESSAGE IS THE AUDITOR MYSELF, A THOUSAND CARDS ARE ROUGHLY 50. PLAIN CARD. UH, HAD SOME, UH, INVOICES FOR THAT'S THOUSAND CARDS FOR 50. UH, HAD SOME INVOICES FOR 250, UH, HAD THOUSAND FOR 86,006. AND FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PEOPLE OUT IN THE FIELD TO SECRETARY. I'M LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COURT, UH, MEETING WHAT THE STANDARD CARD SHOULD BE. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I KNOW THEY RELATE ONCE AGAIN BACK TO UH, THE CITIES. UH, IF YOU'RE A, UH, GUY, THE WATER OFF THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND YOU'RE, THAT'S NOT THE CASE COUNTY, I UNDERSTAND. BE THE CASE COUNTY DEAL WITH DIFFERENT OFFICIALS. UH, WE SPOKE WITH ONE OTHER COUNTY AND THEY HAD A COMMITTEE LIKE THREE TYPES AT, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME FOLKS WANT BETTER STOCK PAPER, SOME FOLKS WANT RAISE PRINT, SOME FOLKS GO FOR WHAT WE'RE ABOUT LETTERHEAD. UH, THERE'S TWO OR THREE VARIETIES OUT THERE. WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS I GET A, UH, LETTERHEAD THE COURTHOUSE AND I THINK THE TWO 50 SHEETS PER BOX. WE, WE KEEP THESE AND THEN WHEN DEPARTMENT FILLS THE, THE LETTERHEAD CARRIED TO THE PRINTER, UH, THAT PRINTER PUT PHONE NUMBER, WHATEVER. WHEN I GET I THROUGH MY COMPUTER AND I PUT MY NAME ON THERE AND GOTTA GET WHAT? ONCE THE RANGE BUSINESS CARDS. IT'S FROM 50,000 TO 89 WAS ABOUT TWO 50. THAT'D BE MORE LIKE FOUR. YEAH, YOU'LL GET, YOU DID A THOUSAND BIT MORE THAN YOU. AND THIS IS ALL DUE TO AN INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT. HE WAS WANTING FANCY CARDS, FANCY LETTERHEAD AND ALL THAT STUFF. RIGHT? BECAUSE I, GEORGE, I TOOK, WHAT I DID WAS I TOOK SOME BLANK PAPERS THAT COME IN THERE, 26 PAGES OF EMAIL WITH THE OTHER FIVE PAGES PRINT AND I JUST TOOK A BLANK SHEET OUT THE MIDDLE OF IT, HAD KATHY RUN IT THROUGH MY COMPUTER AND MADE 46 BUSINESS CARDS OUTTA ONE PIECE OF PAPER CUTTING UP THE PAPER CUTTER AND THAT'S WHAT I PASSED OUT COST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT AGENDA, INK COST, YOU KNOW, COST WAS JUST A, I HAD TO TAKE THAT OFF ONCE I FIGURED OUT WHAT THAT GOT AND THE LETTERHEAD COMES STRAIGHT OUT A COMPUTER. SO I THINK, I THINK WITH IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD EDUCATE THE UH, I THINK WE COULD EDUCATE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY GO TO EACH OFFICIAL OR DEPART AND SET UP A SHE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOUR NAME IS, WHERE YOUR ADDRESS IS, WHATEVER PUT THE PAPER IN IT. JUST CONCERN I HAVE THERE TELL TELL YOU TRUTH. SORRY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOME UNIFORMITY IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. WELL NOT EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF CARD BECAUSE POLICY, THIS YEAH, I'LL WORK WITH AND FOR EXAMPLE, [01:15:01] WHAT WE DID, WE HAD A SHELL, YOU KNOW, THEY, I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT. I'M GET THERE. WE HAD A SHELL AND THROUGH EMAIL WE HAD A FORM. WE TYPE IN THE NAME OF THE PERSON AND THE PHONE NUMBER, SEND IT TO APPROVED. OF COURSE IT ENABLED ME TO ACTUALLY DO SOME CONTRACT BIDDING OUT FOR FREE. NOW THERE'S NO, I CAN PUT COST SAVING BECAUSE INSTEAD OF BUYING 200 CARDS, BE BUYING 25,000 COUNTY. I SPOKE WITH TERRY COUNTY. I THINK WHAT THEY GOT IS SOME OFFICIALS HAVE THE ONE MAY HAVE A GOLD FALL. YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE A GOLD COLOR FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR THOUSAND CARS. THAT IS CORRECT. NO DOUBT. WHO, UH, TO BRING A POLICY BACK TO THE COURT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ONE HERE. RIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST WE PROCEED? UH, PROBABLY WE CAN JUST, UH, GET A PANEL HERE. COMMITTEE I'D BE GLAD TO OFFICE. YES, SHE IS. BE GLAD TO HELP WITH THAT. ALSO BE GLAD TO GET COMMISSIONER, YOU AGREE THAT WELL YES, BE TWO OR THREE. I'LL ACCEPT THE MOTION TO, UH, ALLOW JACK TO SELECT THE COMMITTEE TO POLICY AS LONG AS HE DOESN'T PUT ON THE COMMITTEE. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. MOTION MADE, MAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ZA I DISCUSSION I'LL DO IN FAVOR SAY AYE. YOU'RE UP THERE AGAIN. DOES THAT LOOK LIKE YES SIR. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADVERTISING REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR AN ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR COUNTY JAIL INMATE HEALTH SERVICES? YES, SIR. I THINK WE, WE HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND AND I, WE WANNA WATERS AGAIN ON OUR HEALTH SERVICES CAN GET THE DOLLAR UNDER CONTROL. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT, UH, THAT HAS RENEWALS, BUT I WE'RE, WHEN IS OUR CONTRACT EXPIRED? WE'VE GOT ABOUT, UH, SIX, NINE DAYS ON THAT LAST OF MARCH. DOESN'T MARCH, APRIL 1ST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE CREEPING THAT CONTRACT THOUGH. I THINK WE, WE MIGHT CAN DO SOME, SOME BETTER ON, I THINK AT LEAST HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING IN. YEAH. AND I THINK WE MAY END UP HAVING TO MAYBE, UH, DO AN EXTENSION FOR TWO, THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT. UH, WORK WITH THE VETERAN TO GET US THROUGH THAT AND THEY MAY VERY WELL END BEING THE SAME GUY AGAIN. A DIFFERENT PRICE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH. I SAID IN ON THE FIRST COMMITTEE THAT EVALUATOR THOSE PROPOSALS AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET APPLES FOR APPLES COMPARISON. I ABOUT MOVING PARTS IN THAT ALSO. SO, UH, IT'S, WE WANTS TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE, GET READY TO DO SOME RESEARCH, BUT I ENTERTAIN MOTION FOR, UH, TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADVERTISING REQUEST P FOR COUNTY JAIL INMATE HEALTH SERVICES MOTION MADE BY SHANE. SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. NEXT WE HAVE IN 2014, WHICH IS YOU AGAIN, JACK DISCUSSING, CONSIDER PURCHASING A CASE IH FARM MALL 1 25 A FOR COMPTON COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER THREE THROUGH THE NATIONAL JOINT POWERS ALLIANCE COOPERATIVE. UH, YES SIR. NO, I HAVE A REQUEST FREE TO, UH, PURCHASE A UH, TRACTOR. A CASE TRACTOR. UH, LOOKS LIKE A PRICE IS 59,000. UH, THAT IS AVAILABLE TO A CO-OP, [01:20:05] CO-OP. MAYBE THE OFFER THAT QUESTION ON, ON WHERE THE FUNDING COMING FROM. I NEED TO KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE A LEASE OUTRIGHT PURCHASE ON, RIGHT. YEAH. PUT THE PURCHASE, YOU HAVE THE SALE AND WE PUT THAT MONEY AGAINST THE TRACTOR. I THINK I IT'S NOT A FINANCING SITUATION. WANTS INTENT. DOES, DOES HE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY IN THAT TOWN? YOU THOUGHT I HAD IT? YEAH, I LOOK, WE DON'T, WE'RE HAVE TO MOVE SOME MONEY. WE'LL DO A LINE ITEM TRANSFER COVERAGE FOR YOU THOUGH. IT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU FINANCE IT OR THE TRACTOR WOULDN'T BE. IT WON'T BE, UH, ABOUT THE 1ST OF MARCH TAX. OKAY. WE'LL DO A LINE ON THE TRANSFER FOR NEXT COURT JACK TO COVER. OKAY. NOW JUST WHILE THE, EXPLAINED THAT IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO DISCUSS TO CONSIDER PURCHASING THE TRACTOR THROUGH THIS NATIONAL POWER LAST PROPERTY DISCUSSION FAVOR? SAY A A DISCUSSING CONSIDER ADVERTISING A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL FOR AN ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR COUPLAND COUNTY JAIL. INATE FOOD SERVICES. THAT'S THE OPERATION LAW. I THINK WE'VE OPTIONED OUT ON IT. SO WE'VE DONE RE THAT AND I, I EXPECT FOR SHERIFF, BUT I, I'M HOPING THIS IS THE LAST ONE I HAVE TO DO. A PLAN TO GO THROUGH. IT'S QUITE A SHORT, UH, I MENTIONED WE HAD, UH, IT WAS A CONTRACT DOING A GOOD JOB. IT HAD, UH, ONE YEAR CONTRACT BEFORE ONE YEAR RENEWAL. WE ALL THAT. HAVE YOU TAKEN BIDS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS OR, UH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN ABOUT FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS SINCE THE ORIGINAL BID. RIGHT. WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ON BEING ABLE TO BEAT THE BID? I DON'T KNOW. CAN'T SURE. I, THE LAST TIME IT WAS ONLY THE ONLY VENDOR THAT DID IT LAST TIME THAT WE GOT, IT'S A PRETTY COMPETITIVE THING AND, AND THEY'VE GOT THE PRICE DONE PRETTY WELL. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OPTIONED OUT ON CONTRACT SO WE GOTTA GO OUT TO DO RIGHT. TWO OR THREE MAJOR PLAYERS IN THAT LINE. VERY COMPETITIVE. THAT'S FOR ALL JAIL FOOD? YES, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSARY, EVERYTHING THEY DO? NO, NOT COMMISSARY. COMMISSARY IS A, IS A DIFFERENT THING. WHY IS IT SEPARATE? 'CAUSE THE, THE COMMISSARY IS A DIFFERENT CONTRACT. IT'S NOT FOOD. IT IS COMMISSARY. YOU, YOU GIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET PERSONAL ITEMS. UH, INMATES PAY FOR THAT ON THAT. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO, UH, ALLOW TO ADVERTISE FOR INATE FOOD SERVICES MOTION MADE BY MANDY ROSA. DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. PASSES NUMBER THREE WITH YOU JACK. SO NUMBER 16, MS. DISCUSSING, CONSIDER RENEWING ANY LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF KEMP, TEXAS FOR COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM. THAT BE, THAT'S TIME FOR TO RENEW OUR INTER BASICALLY THEY GO THROUGH TO, THEY THEY DO IS WE HAVE DONE SOME I THEY GONNA BE ISSUE. SO I'LL INTER RENEW INTER LOCAL DISCUSSION. [01:25:02] I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, SINCE LEGISLATURE MET LAST YEAR, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO RENEW YOUR CONTRACTS ANNUALLY ANYMORE. IS THAT [01:30:58] CLARIFICATION? MOTION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 17. IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER MANNING. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ITEM NUMBER 18, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPRO ALLEGATIONS OF FEE TO LONE STAR CAA INC. COLER COUNTY CHILDREN'S SHELTER, THE GENESIS CENTER AND THE COLER COUNTY CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY ADVOCACY CENTER IN EQUAL SHARES. THAT IS, UH, I BELIEVE A PORTION OF MONEY IS PAID ON THE TICKETS, IS IT NOT? AND UH, WE CAN'T USE IT FOR OUR CAR FUNDS AND BE USED FOR THIS TYPE AND THIS WAY. I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ALL SECOND MOTION. UH, SECOND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MANNING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THEN WE'VE GOT MS. HUGHES HERE, NOT THE VERY VERY LEAST, BUT RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LINE DISCUSSING WHO RECOGNIZING THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE ON RECEIVING THE 2012 STATES FILED STATISTICS BY OR YOU JUST, UH, EXPLAIN TO US WHAT MS. I TO, UM, TO ANNOUNCE TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN THE COUNTY CITIZENS THAT, UM, MY OFFICE HAS ONCE AGAIN BEEN AWARDED THE FIVE STAR AWARD FOR LOCAL REGISTRARS AND IT'S PRESENTED BY THE, UH, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES AND THEY CREATE THIS AWARD FOR, UM, TO DESIGNATE ONGOING EXCELLENCE OF MANAGEMENT AND THE DUTIES OF VITAL REGISTRATION PROCESS. AND THERE ARE 500 LOCAL REGISTERS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE WARD AND THIS YEAR THERE COUNTY CLERKS THAT WERE AWARDED IT, UM, IT'S THE EIGHTH YEAR WE RECEIVED THIS AWARD IN ADDITION TO THE THREE NATIONAL AWARDS. ONE. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THEIR EFFORTS BECAUSE WE DO START IN JANUARY END IN SEPTEMBER WORKING TO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR OFFICE AND YOURSELF AND I I'M GONNA, THE JUDGE ONE THING HAD MY PICTURE MADE WITH MS. HUGHES HERE IN JUST A SECOND, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, GET HER MADE AND BACK AND TAKE THE REST SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE ALMOST GO. ANYBODY DOES NEED? SEE I GUESS WE STILL GOT, DID YOU SELL THOSE? WE GET SOME REAL GOOD TRAILER. COMES BACK IN THE ORDER AND MAKE NOTE. FEBRUARY 1ST IS THE NATIONAL WEAR RED DAY. UH, IN REGARDS TO THE MEMBER'S, UH, HEART HEALTH, FEBRUARY 1ST EVERYBODY PLEASE WEAR RED A OKAY, MS. COOPER, I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP. NEXT LIGHT ITEM TRANSFERS? YES SIR. UH, I HAVE THREE OF THESE FOR YOU TO SIGN AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THEIR ATTENTION FOR 2012. IF YOU REMEMBER I GOT SOME LATE INVOICES IN, UH, DUE COURT CALL STATEMENT OF FACTS I'M HAVING TO COVER. BUT I HAD THE MONEY LEFT IN THE DISTRICT COURT LINE ITEM. IT AMOUNTS TO 6,004 60, [01:35:01] UM, FOR 2013. UH, DUE TO GETTING, UH, THE GRANT FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES, WE ARE HAVING TO GET FURNITURE FOR THEM AND UH, I DIDN'T WANT COMPLETE MR. SEBASTIAN'S LINE ITEM IN THE 4 0 9 TO COVER COSTS BECAUSE SET ASIDE THAT WE NEED. AND UH, SINCE WE'RE GONNA, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT $1,350 FROM JACKSON STREET BUILDING RENT BECAUSE YOU'RE BUYING THE BUILDING. SO WE ALL HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT IN THAT LINE ITEM TO COVER THE FURNITURE. UH, THE OTHER ITEM ITEM I'D LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO IS FOR THE TAX SUCCESSIVE COLLECTOR. BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT BONDS FROM THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT SHE HAD TO HAVE, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY BUDGETED TO COVER ALL THE BONDS THAT WOULD REQUIRE HER HAVE. AND SO I NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL $1,200 AND I MOVED THAT FROM HER COMPUTER AIDS LINE ITEM WHEN SHE VISITED WITH ME. UH, THE THIRD ONE IS ON YOUR TRIPS FIRST FOR ROAD BRIDGE TO COVER NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER AND JANUARY. SO FURTHER TRANSFER TRANSFERS. ANY QUESTIONS? MS. COOPER FURNISH HIS OFFICE FOR 13. HE ALREADY HAS OFFICE FURNITURE, HE SAYS FOR TWO NEW EMPLOYEES AND HE WANTED THE MATCHING STUFF SO HE AGREED TO JACK AND GOT A QUOTE. HE COULD HAVE GOT IT ABOUT $250 CHEAPER IF HE WENT WITH SOME SCRATCH AND DENT STUFF. AND WE THOUGHT TWO 50 IS NOT THAT BIG LINE ITEM. SO MAY MOTION MADE MR. YOU'RE SAYING NO DISCUSSION. AYE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR YOU'LL BE HAPPY I GOT YOUR PRINTOUT IN LARGE OF PRINT. THANK, I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN, UH, TOOK, IT'S GONNA TAKE A FEW EXTRA PAGES BUT THEY PAPER BUT THEY GOT IT. I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT PRETTY GOOD. UH, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF BILLS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL IS 500,000 558 10. AND I'M GONNA SPLIT THESE UP SINCE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN NORMAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES SIR. JUST ONE HERE. NORTH TEXAS, [01:40:03] UH, FOR 19 40 CENTS. YEAH. UH, THAT WAS FOR THE CENTER. SOMEBODY NOT, THIS IS FOUR. IT'S VIDEO RECOGNITION NOW. OKAY. IS THIS UH, OR NOT? THAT'S YOUR FLOOD LIGHTS AND DESTIN ON SECURITY LIGHTS. WELL, YOU KNOW, IS FLOODLINE THE ADDRESS FOR THE POLICE? NO. WELL, YES, SAYING THAT, UH, THEY CHARGED YOU LABOR AND FOR A HELPER TO REPAIR WHATEVER IT WAS. IS THAT, UH, IS THAT AT THE UH, SUB COURT HOUSE OR THE PRECINCT BAR? I BELIEVE, UH, LET'S SEE. I BELIEVE PRECINCT ONE. WHAT IS IT YOU PUT, WAIT A MINUTE. YEAH. 6 0 2. IS THAT YOUR BREAK? I DUNNO. THAT'S RIGHT. JUST WANTED ASKING THE COURTHOUSE. CAN YOU TELL, IS THERE A WORK, IS THERE A WORK ORDER ON THIS OR ANYTHING I ATTACHED TO IT? PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE. THEY INSTALLED US A REWIRE CIRCUIT. WE HAD, HE HAD THAT. WE DIDN'T PUT A, IT WOULD BE HIS. THEY DID SOME LIGHT WORK TOTAL. THIS IS, THIS IS, WE PUT, [01:45:11] THERE'S A BILL HERE. IS THAT, IT'S THEIR RIGHT HERE. ONE. YES, THERE'S TWO. TWO DAUGHTER THE SAME ONE HERE. IT'S UNUSUAL. HAVE TWO, TWO AMOUNTS ON SAME DAY, BUT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT CONFERENCES. SHE'S GONNA, DID PAUL GET A, UH, A DUST ON SECURITY LICENSE? TWO 40 DEGREE, TWO HEAD DETECTOR LIGHT. UH, WAS THAT [01:50:08] THEN 2 6 2 8. TAX CERTIFICATION? SAY YOU GOT KEY STATEMENTS. WHO? I SAID YOU 35 RESERVE VOLUNTEERING. YEAH. YOU GOT TWO TODAY? YEAH. MAKE, WE DON'T PAY ANY MONEY ON THAT. GIVE US THE MONEY FOR THEIR ABUSE. WE JUST, WE JUST CARRY THEIR COMMISSION. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THAT ON THE YES. DID YOU GET THAT OTHER ONE BACK IN THERE BY THE BLACK? MM-HMM. TRYING GET ONE PAY FOR. THAT'S ALL IT WAS. I'M TRIED TO SLIDE IT OVER THAT. WELL I ALREADY GOT MY BIG BILL FROM MY AL PROBLEMS FIND EVERY TIME I QUESTION'S USING CREDIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S BE THREE. NO, JUST THAT. YES. REVIEW THE PROCEDURE WAS THAT SHE DID. I DIDN'T GET THE CHECK. SO I [01:55:19] MEMBERSHIP 25TH, NINTH STREET, 25TH. IT USUALLY IS. DID YOU YOU GONNA DO MY BUSINESS CARD? I WILL, I WILL. I THINK I'LL, I STILL GOT SOMETHING LEFT OVER. I GO AHEAD. COST 35 CENTS TO DO. DID YOU PICK UP MY RED COAT? YEAH. YOU WANT PLEASE? I GOT A QUESTION. OH LORD. HERE WE BILL FOR YOUR MACHINE. SHOULDN'T BE ONE IN THERE BECAUSE JIMMY, HE DOESN'T WHAT BOTHERS ME BAD. HE'S THE ONE THAT'S GOT THROAT CANCER AND VERY S EVER TALK ON THE PHONE. I MEAN DOES LIKE SAND. I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S GOTTA BE CREATED FOR HIM TO NOT BE USED. [02:00:01] SURE DID. HE'S 3 1 0 7, RIGHT? THREE SEVEN THE NUMBER. YEAH. I DUNNO. PHONE TWO SIXTEEN, FIVE. YEAH, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T THAT GO UNDER? OKAY, GIMME A BEER. BEER. OKAY. JACK'S GOT HIS GLASSES ON HIS . THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HIM. OH, IT'S A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PAPER. I CAN'T RIGHT HERE. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT COPY THIS. KAREN IS UH, DO YOU KNOW, IS HE THE, HE'S THE SRO PERFORMER, YOU KNOW, TO CHARGE THIS 27, 2007 50 TO SCHOOL. YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T KNOW THAT WOULD NO, I THINK HE IS 39 0 2 FOR ME. SAME TODAY. THIS ONE? MM-HMM . RIGHT WHEN I, WHEN WE BUDGET THAT I BUDGET FOR THEIR SALARIES, LONGEVITY AND RETURN SOCIAL SECURITY AND UH, UNIFORM. AND THAT'S YEAH. THINK SO. UNLESS HE'S GOT, I DON'T THINK THE SHERIFF'S STILL HERE. I ASK HIM MOVING THOSE PEOPLE. ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA FOR TRAINING FOR X-RAY. GO SEE THE SHERIFF'S. WHAT'S THAT FOR? WASN'T YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK HE GOT BISHOP OVER MY OPINION. WE ALREADY DONE. WELL WE DID JUST TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK YOU DID THINK YOU DID. SORRY. YOU DID. I THOUGHT WE I THOUGHT WE PASSED. WE GET INFORMATION. I OKAY TO DO TRAINING COORDIN. HE'S THE, YEAH, OKAY. YEAH, HE'S NOT, HE'S HE'S TAKEN [02:05:02] AND THAT'S WHY HE DID WHATSOEVER. WHAT IS THAT? YES, IT'S, YES SIR. SDS, YOU HAVE IN YOUR 2, 3, 3, 4. HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU FIND PEOPLE THAT SERVE? THEY VOLUNTEER. I MEAN THEY'RE ALREADY IN PLACE. WE JUST, WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE THAT. THREE OR FOUR SINCE HERE. SAME OF MIND. STAND IN MIND. READY TO PICK UP. PICK UP THE, THAT'S PRETTY PROCESS. PROCESS. [02:10:04] OH THAT'S YOURS. OKAY. I SHOULDA KNOWN IF IT HAD FILE ON THE END. I SHOULDA KNOWN. ARE WE STILL PAYING ON ON THE PLAINTIFF GOING ALREADY GOT MORE GOT SEVERAL J NO, THE VT YOUNG WAS I DID NOT GET THE CHECK FOR MY HOTEL. THE HOTEL. AND I RETURNED THE CHECK THAT I GOT WHEN I GOT BACK. SO YOU SHOULD SEE A CREDIT. THIS IS FROM LAST AUGUST. WHATEVER. NOT THE ONE THE VT YOUNG WAS IN JANUARY TWO WEEKS AGO. YEAH. I PAY SUNDAY NIGHT, MONDAY, THURSDAY AFTERNOON. YES SIR. SO WE'RE GOING, THIS IS WANNA TALK. THIS IS TRANSFER. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IT. I COULD HAVE KILLED YOU. THAT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST LIKE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE SUBMITTED IT WELL AND THEN I DIDN'T WRITE BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. I DIDN'T THINK NUMBER ON THERE. YEAH. I WAS ALREADY [02:17:06] EMERGENCY WHERE IT'S AT. YOU GOOD YOU EVER, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOUR KNEE BECAUSE THEY COME IN OVER A GUN BLAZING THIS. RIGHT. OR DON'T OVER THIS WAY LEAD OR, SO I GUESS HAPPEN DECEIVES OVER THIS COUNTY. CHECK THEIR RESPONSE TIME IT JUST TRAIN, TRAIN. YEAH. SIT HERE AND THEY WALK IN. YEAH. [02:21:44] LOOKS LIKE WE SPENT 53% OF THE COMPUTER BUDGET. YES. THAT'S BECAUSE WE PUT ALL THE MAINTENANCE FRONT INSTEAD OF BEING SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO YOU MAY ON THE SURE. AND UM, WE HAD SEVERAL UH, SYSTEMS THAT REPLACED AND THEY JUST SO WE STILL SAFE AS FAR THE REST GOT THE BIG CAPITAL, RIGHT? YES. I PASSED FRIDAY. SHE WAS PROBABLY ONE. 'CAUSE IN HIS WORDS TO ME, I'M THIS TODAY, THIS LATELY OVER HERE. . WE, WE HAD ONE VEHICLE THAT WAS STARTED. WE KEPT THE JUMPER CABLES OFF AROUND. AT LEAST YOU HAVE ONE GOOD ONE THAT, UH, BATTERY PLACE FROM MAY I GUESS SAID THAT HE SELLS. HE CAME BY AND CHARLIE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I DON'T THAT SIX MONTHS. SO DID DON'T HAVE OTHER NEED WE BOUGHT. YEAH, THEY GOTTA, THEY GOTTA DO WARNING POLICY IF SOMETHING GOES BAD. I DIDN'T ANYTHING GO BAD. [02:25:05] IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE DAN PROBABLY A NEWS CALL. I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT WOO AND THE JUDGE TOLD FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO OUR FEES. YEAH OUR FEES SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THAT ON BEHALF OF SIX COUNTIES. JUST NEGOTIATE [02:30:07] MANNING FAVOR. AUR SECOND, COMMAND SECOND. I HOPING SOMEBODY GONNA SECOND IT. . MR. NIK. ALL A FAVOR. AYE. AYE. ADJOURN THERE AND THEN CLOSE OUT HERE. STAY AWAY FROM THAT LL TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY. OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE THERE'S A PRINTER UP IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER. BUT YOU WANNA USE THE ONE ACTUALLY IN THE BOX. OKAY. AND IT'S SEVEN PAGES. YEAH. NO I DON'T. DO YOU WANT ALL SEVEN? NO. OKAY. HIT THE PRINT. HIT PRINT. UHHUH. WHAT PAGE DID YOU WANT? MAYBE THE FIRST AND LAST TWO. OKAY, SO YOU WANT ONE AND SEVEN. ONE AND SEVEN. OKAY, LET'S DO IT THIS WAY. CLICK ON THAT. YOU HIT THE DO ON THE PAGES. LET'S DO ONE PAGE. ONE AND PRINT. UM, JUST THE NUMBER ONE OR WRITE IT DOWN. YEAH, JUST PUT ONE. THERE YOU GO. AND THEN PRINT THAT AND THEN GO BACK ONTO SEVEN. IT DOES LIKE COMMAS. OKAY. YOU PUT A COMMENT OR PRINT ON SEVEN, YOU KNOW. OKAY. HERE'S PAGE ONE AND THEN JUST DO THE SAME THING AND PICK PAGE SEVEN. YOU GOTTA PICK PAGES FIRST. YEAH, PRINT, PRINT MANY BOXES AND I WANNA GO BACK TO MY LIST. SO CLOSE THAT. YES, HE'S THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU WANNA STAPLE THIS TOGETHER SO YOU KNOW THESE TWO GO TOGETHER PURSE. OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME. [02:45:58] UM, [02:47:26] ALRIGHT. [02:47:26] YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.