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          I THINK IT'LL WORK WELL. 
          15% FOR MILLION, 3 MILLION, HER WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION JUST TO GET OUT, BECAUSE YOU GOTTA POST 15%. 
          IT'S 15 OR 10. 
          THINK IT'S 15? IS IT 10? GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY, AND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO THIS IS THE APRIL 22ND, 2013, UH, REGULAR MEETING OF THE  COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT. 
          UH, WE WILL BEGIN THE MEETING JUST IN A FEW MOMENTS. 
          UH, WE WILL BEGIN WITH AN IDENTIFICATION, AND IF YOU ARE HERE TO ADDRESS THE COURT AND YOU'VE NOT ALREADY, UH, SIGNED THE, UH, SIGN IN SHEET, UH, I HAVE THIS HERE WITH ME, AND YOU CAN ALSO, UH, COME FORWARD, UH, AND, UH, DO THAT. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNED UP THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT, AND WE, OF COURSE LIMIT THOSE TO, UH, THREE MINUTES. 
          UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UH, WE WILL BEGIN NOW WITH OUR INVOCATION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO BOTH FLAGS, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE VISITORS THAT ARE HERE. 
          SO, IF YOU JOIN ME AT MOST GRACIOUS HEAVEN, THE FATHER, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR TODAY. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE THAT ARE ASSEMBLED HERE TODAY TO, UH, OBSERVE AND TO ATTEND OUR MEETING AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE BUSINESS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY. 
          LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, GUIDANCE AND, UH, YOUR SUPPORT, UH, AND THE, UH, WISDOM THAT, UH, YOU HAVE PROVIDED MANY PEOPLE OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS IN OUR COUNTY, WE, UH, DIDN'T EXPECT ANY OF THIS, UH, TO OCCUR. 
          UH, AND, UH, AND IT IT'S BEEN TROUBLING FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE. 
          BUT, UH, LORD, WE'RE PRAYING NOW THAT WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE END. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THE, UH, FOLKS THAT WORK FOR OUR COUNTY. 
          UH, WE PRAY, ESPECIALLY NOW FOR, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS, UH, ACROSS OUR COUNTY, THIS CITY, THE STATE, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, THAT PARTICIPATED IN, UH, UH, WORKING TOWARDS A RESOLUTION OF, OF THESE THREE, UH, THE DEATHS OF THESE THREE FINE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LOST. 
          AND WE PRAY, ESPECIALLY TODAY FOR THEIR FAMILIES, LORD, KEEP US SAY THESE SAME AND THY SONS HOLY NAME. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INTO THE REPUBLIC FOR WEAK STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          I HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          ONE SAVED UNDER RIGHT. 
          ONE AND INDIVIDUAL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT ITEM, UH, WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE BESIDES THESE TWO? I HAVE ROBERT, YES. 
          UH, CORN WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD, AND ALSO JEFF, UH, MOORE, UH, I BELIEVE FROM  WHO WISHES THE, UH, COME FORWARD ADDRESS. 
          AND SO, UH, ROBERT, IF YOU WOULD, UH, COME FIRST. 
          JUDGE, UH, JUDGE WILEY HAS ASKED THAT I COME OVER ON THE INDIGENT DEFENSE MENTAL HEALTH GRANT PROGRAM. 
          DO I NEED TO SIGN UP OR NO? NO. 
          WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SOME JUDICIAL PRIVILEGES THAT, UH, , UH, MR. GAS IF YOU COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE HERE. 
          AND, UH, WE, UH, WILL ASK. 
          UH, OUR CLERK IS HUGE TO BE THE TIMEKEEPER AND SHE LOVES DOING THAT. 
          SO, UH, GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ROBERT GUEST. 
          I'M AN ATTORNEY. 
          I HAVE AN OFFICE HERE ON THE SQUARE AND I'M ALSO A PARTNER, GUEST AND GRAY. 
          WE HAVE A OFFICE IN MORNING. 
          UM, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BRING TO YOU INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNTY BAR, UH, A FORMER KAUFFMAN COUNTY BAR PRESIDENT. 
          CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT IS MICHELLE CHANEY, BUT I UNDERSTAND SHE'S INTERESTED IN THE OPEN POSITION FOR COUNTY COURT AT LAW. 
          SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS SERVE AS A LIAISON BETWEEN THE KAUFMAN COUNTY BAR AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO GIVE YOU ANY INFORMATION YOU WANT ON THE CANDIDATES IN A FORMAT THAT YOU WANTED IN. 
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I PREPARED A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT, UM, IT'S KIND OF AT THE STARTING POINT. 
          I BASE IT ON THE DALLAS JUDICIAL POLL, AND I KIND OF CHANGED IT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE AREN'T JUDGES YET AND THEY'RE ATTORNEYS. 
          BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GET FEEDBACK FROM THE BAR THAT YOU WANT, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR KAUFFMAN COUNTY. 
          UM, I'VE TALKED TO BRUCE LITTLE LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, AND I TALKED TO MR. CLARK, BUT IF YOU WANT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CANDIDATES OR YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT ME TO ASK, OR YOU WANT ANY KIND OF INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BRING THAT TO YOU. 
          I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A REALLY SHORT DEADLINE, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO GET IT AS FAST AS WE CAN SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN MAKE THIS DECISION AND HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU WANT. 
          UM, I HAVE THIS QUESTIONNAIRE PREPARED. 
          I'LL SITTING WANT A COPY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY BAR TODAY AT 1230, AND WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS PROVIDING THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU WANT ON THE CANDIDATES. 
          AND, UM, AFTER THAT, I'LL YOU SEND OUT THIS QUESTIONNAIRE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU WANT ME TO ASK, OR IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER FORMAT YOU WANT IN, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL MAKE THIS HAPPEN AS SOON AS I CAN. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MS. ALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IF YOU WOULD PROVIDE MR. LONG AND, UH, MS. HUGHES A COPY OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          NEXT WE HAVE, UH, JEFF MOORE, UH, FROM, UH, KAMAN, TEXAS, WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COURT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MOORE. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          UM, BY THE WAY, I OFFERED TO FIX THIS ONE TIME SO THAT PEOPLE COULD HEAR, AND I JUST KEEP GETTING IGNORED, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING WHEN YOU TALK, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A DISCUSSION THERE. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. 
          THAT'S NOT WHY I'M SPEAKING NOW, BUT IT JUST REMINDED ME AGAIN, I CAN'T HEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          MOST PEOPLE CAN, WELL, IF YOU'LL GET WITH ME, WE'LL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT OFFER. 
          OKAY? WE WANNA MAKE SURE OUR PEOPLE CAN HEAR, WE'LL ALL TRY TO SPEAK LOUDER. 
          NORMALLY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TROUBLE HEARING ME, BUT , BUT WE'LL TRY TO TRY TO SPEAK UP. 
          OKAY? THANK YOU. 
          UH, YES. 
          I, I SEE HERE THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, UM, APPLYING FOR A GRANT TO GET SOME MORE PEOPLE TO WORK HERE IN OUR, IN THIS, IN A GREAT SYSTEM WE'VE CREATED. 
          AND, UH, AND I REALIZE WE HAVE TO HAVE A SYSTEM. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT WHAT I FIND IS IT'S A, IT'S A PERILOUS SITUATION. 
          IT'S SLIPPERY SLOPE. 
          IT'S AN INSIDIOUS EVIL THAT WE JUST CONTINUE TO SPEND PEOPLE'S MONEY. 
          WHEN WE SAY WE'RE APPLYING FOR A GRANT, IT'S LIKE THE MONEY COMES FROM HEAVEN, BUT I, I PAY THE TAXES. 
          UH, EVERY, EVERY WORKING PERSON HERE PAYS TAXES, WHETHER IT'S STATE, FEDERAL, OR COUNTY. 
          UH, THE MONEY COMES FROM US. 
          SO APPLYING FROM A GRANT FOR THE STATE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, LIKE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE OF KAUFMAN, BUT IT DOES. 
          AND I'M, I'M THINKING THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH PROPOSALS TO SHRINK OUR BUDGET AND TO, TO BE MORE CONCISE WITH WHAT WE DO AND TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE AND NOT JUST KEEP INCREASING TAXES AND KITTEN GRANTS AND EXPANDING THIS SYSTEM. 
          IT'S OUT OF CONTROL. 
          NOW, WE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT IN WASHINGTON DC BUT WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING RIGHT HERE IN COFFMAN. 
          AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO NOT GET A GRANT. 
          WE NEED TO NOT GET THOSE PEOPLE, WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW TO USE THE RESOURCES WE HAVE TO GET THE JOB DONE. 
          WE'VE GOTTA BE CREATIVE. 
          WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO THINK ON OUR FEET AND GET THE SHELF DONE WITHOUT SPENDING MORE MONEY. 
          AND IT CAN BE DONE. 
          I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE. 
          AND WE WOULD BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING ANY TIME WITH ANYBODY HOW TO SAVE MONEY, HOW TO DO THAT. 
          AND I SAY WE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF US NEIGHBORS THERE IN KAMAN THAT, THAT HAVE DISCUSSED THIS A LOT. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND I WILL TALK TO YOU LATER ABOUT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          FEEL FREE TO DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. MOORE. 
          ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, OUR, UH, NEXT ITEM WOULD BE, UH, ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE. 
          AND I BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE, UH, COPIES OF, UH, THAT, UH, THAT IS THE, UH, PRIMARILY THE TAX REPORT. 
          I'M SORRY, NOT THE TAX REPORT, BUT THE JP COLLECTIONS. 
          AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? DO YOU HAVE COPIES? I WOUND UP WITH THREE COPIES. 
          WELL, THEY'RE DIFFERENT. 
          THEY FERENCE DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME. 
          I THINK THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT, NEXT ITEM, UH, WILL BE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND THAT'S ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES OF, UH, MARCH 25TH, 2013, THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES WHILE THE EIGHTH, 2013. 
          ITEM C IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR ROAD REPAIRS IN THE CITY OF OAK RIDGE, CATON COUNTY PRECINCT ONE. 
          AND, UH, ITEM D IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING ROAD BOND RIDER OF CECIL, UH, KATHY AS A RESERVE CONSTABLE IN PRECINCT THREE. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE 
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THAT MOTION. 
          SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          THE, UH, NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS, UH, WE HAVE A GROUP HERE THIS MORNING THAT ARE ASSEMBLED FROM THE, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          AND WE ARE SO PLEASED TO HAVE, UH, YOU WITH US TODAY. 
          AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS, UH, APPROVED A RESOLUTION OR WILL SOON APPROVE A RESOLUTION, UH, HONORING, UH, THE KAMAN COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS OTHER KAUFMAN COUNTY EMPLOYEES. 
          AND IF YOU'LL GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT. 
          AND IT SAYS, WHEREAS ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ALL THE OTHER KAMAN COUNTY EMPLOYEES HAVE SHOWN GREAT LOYALTY, DEVOTION, AND PERSEVERANCE THROUGH THE TRAGEDIES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN OUR COUNTY IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS. 
          WHEREAS DURING THE TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES FACED AND THE DEVASTATING TRAGEDY WHICH HAS OCCURRED IN KAMAN COUNTY OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, ALL OF THE D DEDICATED, UH, STAFF OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAVE CONTINUED TO COME IN TO THE COURTHOUSE AND PERFORM THEIR WORK DUTIES IN A DILIGENT AND PROFESSIONAL MANNER. 
          ALMOST EVERY EMPLOYEE OF KAMAN COUNTY HAS CONTINUED WITHOUT FAIL TO PERFORM THEIR DUTIES, DAILY DUTIES THROUGH THESE STRESSFUL MONTHS. 
          AND WHEREAS THIS LOYALTY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND GREAT PERSEVERANCE IS A REFLECTION OF THE TRUE CHARACTER OF ALL THE KAUFMAN COUNTY EMPLOYEES. 
          AND WHEREAS THE KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT GREATLY APPRECIATES THE STAFF OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ALL KAMAN COUNTY EMPLOYEES, WE ARE TRULY PROUD AND HONORED TO WORK WITH EACH ONE OF YOU IN WITNESS THEREOF. 
          WE HEREBY FIX, UH, OUR FIX OUR SIGNATURES ON THIS, THE 22ND DATE OF APRIL, 2013. 
          AND IT'S SIGNED BY BRUCE WOOD COUNTY, JUDGE JIMMY JOE ROSA, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE, UH, RAY CLARK, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT TWO, KENNETH SHANE, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE AND TOM MANNING, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT FOUR. 
          AND, UH, BEYOND WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE, UH, I KNOW THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE WORKED IN THAT OFFICE THAT YOU'VE HEARD MANY TIMES BEFORE THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. 
          UH, WE KNOW YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH SOMETHING THAT, UH, NOBODY SHOULD HAVE HAD TO EXPERIENCE, BUT YOU'VE WORKED HARD, YOU'VE KEPT FAITH. 
          AND, UH, I THINK, UH, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU ARE HERE TODAY, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET A, GET A PICTURE OF YOU SOMEHOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW, WE PROUD END UP HERE, BUT, UH, IF YOU WOULD, WOULD YOU STAND NOW AND LET US, UH, RECOGNIZE YOU IF YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY AND SOMEHOW WE'RE GOING BE TO COME UP THE CROWD AROUND, HAVE STAND ON THE SHOULDER. 
          SO WE, WE TRIED TO GET HERE LAST TIME, SOME ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET BEHIND OR NO, WE MAY, WE CAN DO ROAD CHAIRS. 
          WHAT WE MAY NEED TO DO IS EVEN TAKE TWO PICTURES BIG. 
          WE PROBABLY SHOULDA MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO GO SOMEPLACE. 
          THAT JUST FEELS KIND OF WEIRD. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
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AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEM EIGHT UP ON THE AGENDA. 
          UH, AND THAT WOULD BE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING AN APPLICATION. 
          AND, UH, 2014 FOR 2014, TOMAN COUNTY RESOLUTION FOR THE END OF THE END OF DEFENSE DISCRETIONARY RAN THE PROGRAM. 
          AND JUDGE WILEY, I BELIEVE, UH, YOU AND JUDGE CHE WERE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          UH, WE'VE, UH, ASKED YOU GUYS TO COME UP AND TALK TO US. 
          ANDREW, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP AS WELL. 
          GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. 
          I THINK YOU'RE HERE IS RESOURCES JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAS ONE. 
          AND, UH, UH, WE'RE ALL HERE ON SHORT NOTICE, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, BUT THEY HAVE TO GIVE INFORMATION. 
          WELL, I COULD HEAR, UH, MAYBE DIFFERENT. 
          THE CITIZEN MOORE WAS SPEAKING. 
          WAS HE SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE, IT SOUNDS LIKE? YES, AND I HEARD HIS CONCERN. 
          AND IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN THAT WHEN WE AS CITIZENS HERE IN THE COUNTY APPLY FOR GRANTS AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND EVEN IF THOSE GRANTS ARE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, UM, COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET, IT'S A PROBLEM 'CAUSE WE'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM OF ALWAYS ASKING FOR A GRANT OR SEEKING SOMETHING. 
          I THINK, AND I'M GENERALIZING WHAT HE SAID, AND, AND, AND SO HE WAS SPEAKING, I BELIEVE AS A CITIZEN, WHICH WAS, WOULD BE SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND OF, OF CONCERN. 
          HIS, AND THE ONLY THING I COULD SPEAK OF AND THE THINGS I HEARD IS MAYBE SINCE THE BOARD DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE, SO LET ME SPEAK TO WHAT THOUGHTS POPPED IN MY HEAD WHEN HE SAID THAT THE, THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, JUDGE CHITTY HAS A MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT COURT THAT WE DO AT NO COST. 
          WE DO IT AFTER HOURS. 
          EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED DOES IT ON THEIR OWN TIME. 
          THE SAME THING WE DO WITH THE TREATMENT COURT WITH DWI AND DRUG. 
          WE DO IT NO COST AFTER HOURS, NO TAX DOLLARS. 
          WE DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A NEED AND IT'S A NEED. 
          AND IF YOU ARE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU GUYS WORK AFTER FIVE ALL THE TIME. 
          AND SO YOUR, SO YOUR GUYS AND GALS WORK IN YOUR OFFICE. 
          THERE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO MENTAL ILLNESS. 
          AND AGAIN, THESE GENTLEMEN CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE AS IT IS WITH JUDGE, WITH HIS WORK ON THE BOARD AND MAYBE ANDREW AS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. 
          'CAUSE HE DEALS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL DEFENDANTS. 
          I CANNOT PUT A COST TO OFFSET WHAT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE MENTALLY ILL ARE HERE. 
          THEY HAVEN'T LEFT, THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY. 
          AND THEY HAVE BEEN ILL-TREATED AND BY BEING HOUSED IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THEY GO SOMEWHERE WHEN THEY COMMIT CRIMES AND THEY'RE PICKED UP, IT IS A COST THAT'S MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT I BELIEVE IS OUR PLAN AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          IT'S A GRANT. 
          IF I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT IT, MR. JORDAN CAN SPEAK TO IT. 
          THAT IS A MATCHING STEP DOWN GRANT. 
          AND I MAY BE, AGAIN, UH, MR. MOORE DOESN'T KNOW THAT IN THIS COUNTY, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND UNDER JUDGE WOOD AT THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT, PROBS DON'T WORK. 
          WE HAVE CUT THEM, WE JUST, 'CAUSE WE ADD SOMETHING AND WE'LL EVALUATE IT, WE CUT 'EM. 
          I'VE LOST STAFF, Y'ALL HAVE TOO. 
          SO WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT SOMETHING OVER TIME AND THERE'S NOT A BIG ENOUGH NEED FOR IT. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT AND EVALUATE IT. 
          BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT IT COMES TO MIND TO ME THAT IF WE ARE HAVING PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING, UH, HOUSED IN THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THEIR MENTAL ILLNESS AND THEY'RE NOT, AS THE STATUTE REQUIRES BEING SEEN AND RELEASED FROM THE JAIL, THEN WE ARE ALSO INCURRING POTENTIAL LIABILITY DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THOSE ARE GENERAL STATEMENTS. 
          THOSE AREN'T, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          IT HADN'T HAPPENED, THANK GOD. 
          BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS AS A PROPOSAL AND IT JUST STARTED, WE, WE JUST 
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STARTED, WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT NUMBERS. 
          I WISH WE COULD TELL YOU MY GOODNESS, WE'VE MOVED ALL THESE PEOPLE OUTTA JAIL, BUT I, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT AND I, I'M NOT HANDS ON INVOLVED, BUT I WAS ON THE, EVEN THE DEFENSE BOARD THAT WAS CREATED TO MONITOR THIS. 
          AND AFTER THIS AFTERNOON, I WILL NOT CONTINUE BEING ON THAT BOARD BECAUSE I CAN ONLY WEAR SO MANY HATS. 
          SO AS THE DA I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE ON THAT BOARD. 
          IT WILL GO TO THE OTHER JUDGES AND COMMUNITY LIAISONS AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE. 
          SOMEONE MAY BE LIKE, UH, MR. MOORE, SOMEONE LIKE HIM THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THAT BOARD TO OVERSEE AND PARTICIPATE AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND THAT'S HOW WE KEEP, UH, A CHECK AND BALANCE ON WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR STATE GRANT MONEY, MONEY, AND NOT JUST HAVE IT CONTINUE. 
          BUT THAT WAS OUR INITIAL THOUGHT. 
          AND JUDGE, YOU CAN DUCK TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          LEMME JUST SAY THAT, UH, THE POLICY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS IS TO CLOSE PENITENTIARIES AND TRY TO TREAT NONVIOLENT NON PREDATORY OFFENDERS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, WE'VE SEEN ONE PENITENTIARY CLOSED OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS THAT WAS SUGAR LAND, WHICH WAS UNPRECEDENTED IN STATE HISTORY. 
          WE'VE NEVER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, CLOSED A PENITENTIARY BEFORE. 
          WE'VE BEEN ADDING CAPACITY RATHER THAN REDUCING CAPACITY. 
          BUT SUGAR LAND GOT CLOSED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THE LEGISLATURE HAS MANDATED THAT WE TRY TO TREAT THE MENTALLY ILL AND THE DRUG ADDICTED RATHER THAN INCARCERATE THEM. 
          AND IF THEY'RE NON PREDATORY NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS, IT IS A GREAT COST SAVINGS TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE TAXPAYER TO DO THAT. 
          UH, WE, WE KNOW THAT IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO HOUSE THE MENTALLY ILL AND TREAT THE MENTALLY ILL IN OUR JAILS AND PENITENTIARIES. 
          WE KNOW THAT 25 TO 30% OF THOSE INCARCERATED ARE MENTALLY ILL. 
          AND SO BASED ON THE EVIDENCE OF THESE PROGRAMS, LIKE THE ALTERNATE COURTS THAT BOTH JUDGE WILEY AND I HAVE RUN, WE KNOW THAT THOSE PROGRAMS REDUCE RECIDIVISM AND REDUCE THE COSTS OF DEALING WITH THOSE OFFENDERS. 
          UH, WE KNOW THE STATE POLICY IS TO DIVERT PEOPLE OUT OF THE PENITENTIARIES AND INTO TREATMENT. 
          WE KNOW THAT PENITENTIARIES ARE BEING CLOSED BECAUSE THE STATE CAN'T AFFORD THEM. 
          SO THESE PROGRAMS, LIKE THIS MENTAL HEALTH ADVOCATE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE, THE GRANT FOR NOW, ARE DESIGNED TO MEET THESE NEEDS WHERE PEOPLE WHO NEED TREATMENT AND DON'T NEED TO BE INCARCERATED, GET THE TREATMENT THEY NEED AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS, THE COST OF HOUSING AND TREATING THEM IN A JAIL SETTING. 
          WE KNOW THAT'S THE MOST INEFFICIENT WAY TO TREAT THE MENTALLY ILL. 
          NOT ONLY IS IT INEFFICIENT, IT'S INHUMANE. 
          THE MENTALLY ILL DON'T NEED TO BE LOCKED UP IN JAILS. 
          THEY NEED TO BE GETTING TREATED. 
          AND THESE PROGRAMS LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE TO GRANT FOR PROVIDE THAT KIND OF TREATMENT. 
          AND WE KNOW THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL FROM, UH, EVIDENCE-BASED INFORMATION THAT WE GET ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE'LL TWEAK IT. 
          NONE OF US ARE SO COMMITTED TO ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, WILLING TO ADJUST 'EM, MAKE ANY KIND OF NECESSARY CHANGES THAT WE FEEL LIKE WILL MAKE THE PROGRAM EFFECTIVE. 
          UH, WE'RE ALL TAXPAYERS JUST LIKE YOU. 
          NOBODY HATES TO WASTE MONEY MORE THAN I DO. 
          I WILL GUARANTEE YOU. 
          AND, UH, WHEN I SET UP MY DRUG IN MENTAL HEALTH COURT THREE YEARS AGO, UH, I PROMISED TO DO THAT WITHOUT COST TO THE COUNTY. 
          I HAVE KEPT THAT PROMISE. 
          I SPEND MY EXTRA TIME IN ADDITION TO MY NORMAL DOCKET ON FAMILY AND CIVIL AND CRIMINAL CASES RUNNING THAT DRUG IN MENTAL HEALTH COURT. 
          AND WE'VE NOW GRADUATED ABOUT 17 PEOPLE FROM THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND IF, UH, THE NUMBERS HOLD TRUE ON PERCENTAGES STATEWIDE, WE'VE PROBABLY KEPT 70% OF THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THE PENITENTIARY. 
          AND THE RECIDIVISM RATE ON MY GRADUATES IS RUNNING ABOUT 20%, WHICH IS UNBELIEVABLE FOR THIS POPULATION MENTALLY ILL WITH CO-OCCURRING DRUG ADDICTIONS, THE VERY TOUGHEST POPULATION TO TREAT IN OUR SOCIETY. 
          AND WE'VE HAD SUCCESS AND PROGRAMS LIKE THIS ACROSS THE STATE AND NATION HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          SO I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. MOORE SAID ABOUT WANTING TO SAVE MONEY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL HERE OR NOT. 
          DID HE, DID HE LEAVE? YEAH, HE'S RIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NONE OF US WANNA WASTE MONEY. 
          WE BELIEVE THESE PROGRAMS, IN FACT ARE EFFECTIVE AND COST, UH, REDUCING AND RENDER GOOD POSITIVE RESULTS FOR NOT ONLY THE, THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL WHO THIS DRUG ADDICTED ON THE MENTAL MEAL OR BOTH AS FREQUENTLY AS THE CASE, BUT ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY OF TAXPAYER. 
          YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. 
          ANDREW, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE? I I WOULD REALLY ECHO WHAT THE TWO JUDGES JUST SAID. 
          FIRST, WE'RE ALL KIND 
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OF HERE ON SHORT NOTICE. 
          I, I DUNNO WHAT KIND OF IN DEPTH QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, BUT MORE TIME TO PREPARE. 
          MAYBE I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THAT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE PROBLEM TO TREAT AND EVEN THE PROGRAMS FOR VOLUNTEERING OUR TIME, THE JUDGES, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, PROBATION DEPARTMENTS, SOME OTHER TREATMENT PROVIDERS, THOSE ARE COUNTY RESOURCES THAT ARE BEING DIVERTED AWAY FROM SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DOING. 
          SO IT HAS AN EXPENSE. 
          UH, YOU MAY HAVE THE WRONG PERSON UP HERE. 
          I THINK SHERIFF BURNS COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE TREATED THROUGH THE COUNTY JAIL. 
          BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO HIS LINE OF WORK, BUT I MEAN, VERY OFTEN THESE PEOPLE ARE DECOMPENSATED, SO THEY HAVE TO BE ISOLATED. 
          YOU'RE, UH, DIVERTING STAFF SOLELY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PEOPLE. 
          WE'RE BEARING DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR THE COST OF MEDICATION. 
          I MEAN, IT IS, UH, NO DOUBT WHAT WE'RE DOING HAS A COST, BUT COMPARED TO THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, I I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A PRETTY COMPELLING CASE THAT, UH, IT IS A BETTER WAY TO DO BUSINESS. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK JUDGE WILEY AND JUDGE CHITTY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          BEFORE WE RECEIVED THIS GRANT, THE GRANT, THIS FIRST YEAR WAS HUNDRED 8,000, AND THEN IT DOES OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, AND I BELIEVE THE 2014 AMOUNT IS 80,400. 
          WHO, WHO WAS PAYING FOR PROVIDING THE SUPPORT FOR THE FOLKS THAT WERE IN THE PATROL? WHO, WHAT ENTITY WAS PROVIDING THAT SUPPORT TO ? I'M SORRY, IN THE ALTERNATE COURTS? YES. 
          THE DIVERSE COURTS. 
          YES. 
          UH, JUDGE, GO AHEAD AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP. 
          WELL, THE, YOU WAIT A MINUTE. 
          IF, IF THEY WERE BEING TREATED, AND LEMME MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          IN MY COURT, IF THEY HAD THE, A DRUG ISSUE AND THEY WERE, HAD MORE DRUG ISSUES, THEY WERE BEING TREATED IN THE TREATMENT COURT THAN WE WERE PROVIDING YOU BEING KAUFMAN COUNTY, KAUFMAN COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THE REAL COST WAS PROBABLY MORE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AT WAREHOUSING, KEEPING THAT POPULATION IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AT THAT COST WITH OTHER, UM, INMATES THAT WERE COMMITTING OFFENSES AND UNDERSTAND MENTALLY THE MENTAL ILL PEOPLE THAT ARE DUAL DIAGNOSED WITH DRUG ADDICTION, THEY ARE COMMITTING CRIMES. 
          I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S BE CLEAR. 
          AND SO IT, IT IS NOT THAT, THAT THEY SHOULD BE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT THAT THEY TAKE THEIR MEDICATION, WE CAN GET 'EM OUTTA THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA RECOMMIT CRIMES, THEN YOU ARE LEAVING THAT BED SPACE OPEN FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE VIOLENT. 
          SO THAT COST WOULD BE DIRECTLY FOR BY THE CITIZENS OF COFFIN COUNTY AND, AND WOULD COME OUTTA YOUR BUDGET AND IMPACT THAT MORE DIRECTLY. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF STEVEN TOO, IF THEY COULD BE ON AN OUTPATIENT BASIS BEFORE THIS WAS HAPPENING, AND WE WILL STILL DO THAT. 
          THAT WON'T CHANGE AS WE GET THEM OUT. 
          THESE ARE JUST MORE RESOURCES WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE SOPHISTICATED, A CASE MANAGER THAT HAS A MENTAL ILLNESS BACKGROUND AND SAY, THIS PERSON HAS THIS DIAGNOSIS, WE CAN GET THEM HOOKED IN THE LAKES. 
          WHERE CAN WE GET THEM QUICKER? WE CAN GET THEM OUT OF JAIL. 
          THAT'S HOW WE HOPE THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          NO, THE COSTS BEFORE WERE ON THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY, AND AGAIN, AS A CITIZEN COMPLAINT OF IT'S STILL TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT AS FAR AS BUDGET LINE, IT'S OUR BUDGET THAT WAS AFFECTED. 
          OF COURSE IT'S STATE DOLLARS, SO WE PAY TAXES TOO, BUT IT'S A GRANT THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE AND THEY WERE LOOKING, UH, AT A, A COUNTY OUR SIZE THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES I, I THINK JUDGE, SHE SAID IT BEST, WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO ANY OF THIS. 
          WE WOULD SUGGEST ANY TWEAKING ANYBODY SAYS AFTER IT'S ALL OVER THE ANALYSIS. 
          THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. 
          WE CAN TREAT THESE FOLKS WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE GO THROUGH. 
          AND IT'S A GREAT WAY TO UTILIZE SOME GRANT FUNDS, ISOLATE THIS POPULATION THAT WE DO KNOW WE HAVE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, A COST TO THE COUNTY AND TREAT THEM BETTER. 
          THE NUMBERS THAT JUDGE S****Y GAVE. 
          REMEMBER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A RECIDIVISM RATE, THE COST THAT WE CANNOT, UH, PUT ON IS THE FACT IF YOU'RE NOT RE-OFFENDING BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING TREATED, THAT MEANS YOU'RE NOT BREAKING IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. 
          THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT STEALING CARS. 
          THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT TRESPASSING OVER AT BUSINESSES. 
          THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT CREATING OTHER CRIMES IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I CAN'T PUT A COST ON THAT. 
          THOSE ARE SOME THINGS, SOME, SOME THOUGHTS THAT COME TO MY MIND AND I NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, JUDGE, WHOEVER IT'S WORTH, YOU GOT ME OFF. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE BRAND IS THAT WE PERIODICALLY MEASURE AND REPORT, UH, THE CASE LOAD IS HOURS SPENT TREATMENTS MEASURE. 
          SO I MEAN THAT'S WHAT AUSTIN, THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE FUNDING IS THAT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS, WE HAVE A FAIRLY DETAILED CLINICAL REPORT WITH GOOD HEART EVIDENCE THAT SAYS EITHER YES, THIS WORKS OR NO, IT DOES. 
          IF IT DOES, I ANTICIPATE IT'LL BE A MODEL THAT OTHER COUNTIES DON'T. 
          IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE NEED TO BE SELF HONEST TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO DO AND THE FACTS WILL SHOW THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, IN MY PROGRAM, ALL OF THE MONEY, UH, IS EITHER PROVIDED THROUGH THE NORTH STAR, UH, SYSTEM OR THE TREATMENT OF THE 
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MENTALLY ILL AND CHEMICALLY DEPENDENT OR PRIVATE PAY. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY'RE INDIGENT, NORTH STAR PICKS UP THE COST FOR MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT OR CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY TREATMENT, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT INDIGENT, THEN THEY PRIVATE PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES. 
          NO COST TO THE COUNTY ON ANY OF THAT. 
          UM, THE LIAISON SERVICES THAT LAM HMR PROVIDE, UH, THE DA'S OFFICE THROUGH THEIR FORFEITED FUNDS IS THE MONEY FOR THAT SERVICE. 
          SO THERE'S NO MONEY COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL BUDGET OF THE COUNTY AT ALL FOR ANY OF THESE SERVICES. 
          UH, I'VE HAD TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FROM THE DA'S OFFICE AND I'M SURE JUDGE WILEY WILL CONTINUE THAT, I BELIEVE. 
          BUT, UH, THEY ARE UNDER RICK HARRISON, MIKE MCCLELLAN, AND I'M SURE UNDER JUDGE WILEY THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS AND AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY GENERAL REVENUE DOLLARS. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE SELF-SUPPORTING. 
          WE'RE SUCCESSFUL. 
          UH, I THINK WE CAN BE MORE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS KIND OF GRANT THAT ANDREW'S OFFICE IS GOING TO ADMINISTER BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS THAT, UH, MY PROGRAM LACK AT THE MOMENT IN HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT ARE TWO OF THOSE COMPONENTS. 
          HIS CASE MANAGER WILL BE FOCUSING ON HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT FOR THESE PEOPLE. 
          WE'VE BEEN ABLE THROUGH VOLUNTEERS TO PLACE SOME PEOPLE IN JOBS, BUT, UH, THE, THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS THE CASE MANAGER PROGRAM SHOULD BE. 
          AND SO I'M LOOKING, UH, FORWARD WITH ANTICIPATION TO BEING ABLE TO PLACE MORE OF OUR PARTICIPANTS IN JOBS. 
          AS YOU KNOW, AS BUSINESS PEOPLE, NO ONE WANTS TO HIRE A DRUG ADDICT OR A CONVICTED FE. 
          WHAT YOU DO WITH THESE PEOPLE, THEY'VE GOT TO MAKE A LIVING. 
          IF THEY CAN'T GET WORK, IF THEY CAN'T GET HOUSING, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REOFFEND. 
          SO WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE IN SOLVING THESE PROBLEMS. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET 'EM BACK WHERE THEY CAN MAKE AN HONEST LIVING AND LIVE A DIGNIFIED LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY, ENSURING THAT THEY'RE NONVIOLENT, NON PREDATORY, NON-OFFENDING. 
          AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO GIVE 'EM A TOEHOLD IN THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A JOB AND DECENT HOUSING SO THAT THEY CAN, AGAIN, BECOME PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS AND BEAR THEIR OWN WEIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO TRY TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE DIFFICULTY FINDING JOBS OR HOUSING, THEY'VE USUALLY, UH, DECONSTRUCTED ANY CONTACT WITH THEIR FAMILIES THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS. I KNOW A LOT OF THOSE FAMILY UNITS HAVE BEEN REUNIFIED. 
          THEY'VE GOT SUPPORT OF THE FAMILIES. 
          AGAIN, THROUGH MY VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOME JOBS FOR THEM. 
          BUT HOUSING AND JOBS ARE A CONTINUING PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM SHOOTS AT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          DO Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS. 
          SEE, JIM AND I ARE BACKING YOU ON THE COURT WHILE I'M BACKING ON THE COURT. 
          JIMMY'S YOU GUYS, THE COURT, IT DOESN'T SAY IN THIS IT SAYS DISCUSS, UH, RESOLUTION THREATEN DEFENSE. 
          WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRUG ABUSE AND THE MENTALLY ILL. 
          THIS IS A WHOLE NEW WRAP ON WHAT THIS GRANT IS ABOUT. 
          IT KIND OF MISSTATED. 
          I DIDN'T GETTING JUST WHAT WAS INTENDANCE, WHAT GETS US, WE SURE. 
          I HAVING NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHERE OUR MONEY GOES. 
          I, I'M CONCERNED. 
          I'M GLAD BECAUSE IT'S MINE MONEY PROBABLY EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER. 
          BUT, UH, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME NUMBERS. 
          HE WAS GONNA BRING SOME NUMBERS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT WHAT ALL THIS WAS ABOUT AND I STILL HAVE YET TO RECEIVE THE NUMBERS TO THIS DAY. 
          BUT, UH, WELL, AND LET SAY THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER CHE YOU UP A GOOD POINT. 
          I I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE NUMBERS THAT, UH, ANY MR. JORDAN'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT BOARD MEETS, UH, HAD A MEETING LIKE LAST WEEK AND THERE WAS A DESIGNATED PERSON ON THERE FROM YOUR COURT. 
          BUT YOU, ANY OF Y'ALL ARE WELCOME AT ANY TIME TO COME AND GET THE INFORMATION AS THAT ENTERED DEFENSE BOARD MEET, SO YOU'LL KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE LOOKING LIKE IF THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND, AND FOR YOUR TIME, BECAUSE MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE BUSY WITH OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WILL BE REPORTED BACK TO YOU, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. 
          THAT'S ONE THING ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE OR SERVED BY THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. 
          THIS ISSUE ON THE AGENDA MAY HAVE BEEN, I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, UH, NOT AS CLEARLY DEFINED OR WHAT THE ISSUE IS, BUT IT IS WHAT WE KNOW IS THERE'S ALSO AN INTEREST 'CAUSE AND JUDGE CHINEY SPOKE TO THIS ABOUT HIS TREATMENT COURT, WHICH I FIND REALLY INTERESTING IS I WAS ABLE NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS STATE FUNDING GRANT FROM MY PROGRAM WOULD, WOULD DO WITH THE TREATMENT PROGRAM I DID WITH ALCOHOL AND DRUGS TO GET PRIVATE GRANT MONEY. 
          I IF YOU KNOW THAT 
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GOING THROUGH OUR LINE ITEMS ON IN MY BUDGET, THERE'S MONEY THERE FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FROM PRIVATE BUSINESSES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. 
          SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT THE, AND WE COULD MOVE AWAY FROM ANY KIND OF, WE COULD TRY TO GET PRIVATE BUSINESSES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THESE PROGRAMS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING THE MENTALLY ILL, THE DRUG ADDICTED AS WE HAVE SHOWN PROOF 'CAUSE AND THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE DRUG AND ALCOHOL DEPENDENCE, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE MENTAL ILLNESS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING TO. 
          BUT IT IS A GOOD PARALLEL TO SEE HOW MY PROGRAMS RUN AND THEN HOW JUDGE SHE, BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL GET TO THAT SAME WITH THIS GRANT AND THAT'S THE GROUP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          BUT AGAIN, AND WE CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH AS WE GET THROUGH THIS AND WE GET ON THE OTHER END OF THIS AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, NOT AS MANY PEOPLE THIS COURT IS THIS COURT'S HANDLING OR THE PEOPLE WE HAVE, WE DON'T NEED, OR WE MIGHT STEP DOWN AND NOT HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE DESIGNATED TO DO THIS IF IT'S NOT SAVING US MONEY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD REEVALUATE THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE AVENUES IS TO BE, UH, KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THE ANDREW DEFENSE BOARD AND MAYBE GET SOME OTHER CITIZENS. 
          ANDREW HAS SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES, PART OF THE, UM, BOARD SHOULD BE MADE UP OF AT LEAST ONE COMMUNITY PERSON THAT COULD REPORT KIND OF TO THE CITIZENS BECAUSE IF THEY'RE INFORMED, THEN THEY FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEIR STATE TAX DOLLARS AS WELL THROUGH THE GRANT. 
          I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION, UM, ABOUT WHERE THESE PROGRAMS ARE ADMINISTERED. 
          DO THEY DO THAT LIKE AT THE STATE HOSPITAL OR DO Y'ALL HAVE A A DESIGNATED SITE? WHICH, WHICH ONE? JIMMY? THE MENTAL HEALTH? YEAH, THE MENTAL HEALTH. 
          LET ME TELL YOU HOW MY COURT WORKS. 
          UH, PEOPLE ARE REFERRED INTO THE PROGRAM EITHER BY THEIR DEFENSE ATTORNEYS OR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, OR SOMETIMES I REFER MY OWN CASES IN, IF I SEE SOMEONE WHO'S OBVIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL STANDING AT THE BENCH. 
          UH, OR SOMETIMES, UH, THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT WILL REFER SOMEONE IN WHO'S ALREADY BEEN PLACED ON PROBATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY HAVE DRUG ADDICTION AND MENTAL ILLNESS ISSUES. 
          UH, WE MEET EVERY FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND I'VE INVITED ALL OF YOU IN THE PAST. 
          I'LL DO IT AGAIN. 
          IF YOU EVER WANT TO SET IN ON ONE OF MY SESSIONS, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO THAT. 
          EVERY FRIDAY AFTERNOON AT ONE 30, WE STAFF, WE FOLLOW THE STAFFING WITH A COURT SESSION. 
          AND DURING THE STAFFING, UH, MY TEAM MEMBERS, INCLUDING ANDREW, WHO'S REPRESENTING THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, UH, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          WE HAVE TWO PROBATION OFFICERS AND WE HAVE LAKES, UH, UH, TREATMENT PEOPLE THERE AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, MYSELF, MY COORDINATOR, DA PUBLIC DEFENDER, PROBATION LAKES, MHMR, ALL SET AT THE TABLE. 
          WE REVIEW EVERY PARTICIPANT EVERY WEEK. 
          WE BE SURE THEY'RE TAKING THEIR MEDICATIONS. 
          IF THEY HAVE A JOB, WE SURE THEY'RE REPORTING FOR WORK. 
          UH, IF THEY, UH, FAIL A UA, WE SANCTION THEM. 
          UH, WE ARE DO RANDOM DRUG TESTING ALL THE TIME. 
          WE MAKE, WE ARE A VERY INTENSIVE PROGRAM, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          WE'VE HAD SOME DEFENDANTS SAY, JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT ME IN THE PENITENTIARY. 
          REALLY, I DON'T WANT HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOUR PROGRAM. 
          THAT HAPPENS. 
          IT'S THAT TOUGH. 
          UH, BUT IF THEY SUCCEED IN THE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF SUCCESS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO IT'S A VERY INTENSIVE PROGRAM. 
          WE LOOK AT 'EM IN THE EYE. 
          I LOOK AT 'EM IN THE EYE. 
          JUDGE WILEY LOOKS AT HERS IN THE EYE EVERY WEEK, MAKES SURE THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, TAKING THEIR MEDICATION, STAYING SOBER, GOING TO WORK, BEING A GOOD CITIZEN, NOT REOFFENDED. 
          THAT'S IN MY COURTROOM EVERY FRIDAY AFTERNOON DURING THE WEEK, IF THEY'RE ON PROBATION, THEY GO TO COMMUNITY SERVICE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. 
          THEY GO TO THEIR COUNSELING AS DIRECTED BY LAKES EITHER ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. 
          UH, WHERE IS, WHERE IS THAT AT? THEY GO , USUALLY AT THE LAKE FACILITY IN CARROLL. 
          AND THE PROBATION OFFICER SOMETIMES DO THEIR OWN COUNSELING PROGRAMS AT THE PROBATION OFFICE. 
          DR. DAVIS AT THE JAIL DOES SOME OF THESE COUNSELING PROGRAMS AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BEST FIT FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL IS. 
          DR. DAVIS MAY DO IT, LAKES MAY DO IT. 
          UH, SOMETIMES PRIVATE PAID PHYSICIANS DO IT. 
          UH, SOMETIMES PROBATION DOES IT, BUT, UH, ALL OF THOSE COUNSELING SESSIONS STILL ON, ALL THE COMMUNITY SERVICE GOES ON. 
          ALL THE FINES ARE BEING PAID. 
          EVERYONE'S COMPLIANT WITH THEIR TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PROBATION. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT, WE SANCTION THEM. 
          WE'LL PUT 'EM IN JAIL, GIVE 'EM A LITTLE REMINDER THAT WE'RE SERIOUS. 
          AND, UH, SOMETIMES YOU, IT'S KINDA LIKE HITTING A MULE WITH A POST. 
          YOU HAVE TO GET THEIR ATTENTION SOMETIMES. 
          AND SOME OF THEM YOU HAVE TO DO IT MORE THAN ONCE TO GET THEIR ATTENTION. 
          BUT COMMISSIONER, I'M MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          ARE YOU ASKING, BECAUSE THE QUESTION, BECAUSE OF OUR AGE AT TAR STATE HOSPITAL, DO WE GET THESE, THESE REFERRALS FROM THERE? THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE CRIMINAL SYSTEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE COULD GO DOWN A HISTORICAL 
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HIS ANALOGY OF WHY BECAUSE OF, OF HISTORICALLY, UH, TAR STATE HOSPITAL AND OTHER FACILITIES LIKE THAT LOST FEDERAL FUNDING AND HOW THOSE SHRUNK, THOSE BUDGETS THAT THAT DECREASED. 
          ALL IT DID WAS MOVE HIM FROM THERE TO, TO PUSHED IT BACK DOWN TO THE COUNTY AND TO LOCAL PEOPLE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE SHERIFF HAS FILED IT. 
          IT'S MAYBE TAKEN FOR THE EXPLOSION. 
          PARDON? ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT'S, SO I THINK THAT WAS SORT OF YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE, AND SOMETIMES, WHICH IS BEYOND THE SCOPE, I BELIEVE, OR THE QUESTION THE JUDGE HAS, UH, JUDGE CHITTY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE, SO SPOT FOR HIM IS WHY DON'T WE GET TO USE THAT FACILITY AT TERRELL STRAY HOSPITAL? HE COULD TELL YOU MORE THAN THE AGENDA HAS TIME FOR ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE THROUGH EVEN THIS PROGRAM FOR HOUSING. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TRIED TO EXPLORE IF THE MONEY'S THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST A PUSH DOWN FROM A FEDERAL DECISION THAT WAS MADE YEARS AGO THAT WE'RE STUCK WITH AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IN THIS CRIMINAL SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO THE HISTORICAL THAT WE IMAGINE AS KIDS WHEN CHARLES STATE WAS FULL OF PEOPLE THAT HAD MENTAL HEALTH, A MENTAL DISEASE, THE JAILS HAVE BECOME THE MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT FACILITIES IN OUR NATION, NOT ONLY IN TEXAS, NATIONWIDE ALL. 
          AND, UM, I KNOW IT, IT KIND OF, I HAD TO GET MY MIND WRAPPED AROUND THAT AS WE DID THIS, START DOING THIS WORK. 
          WE WENT FROM A 3000 BED HOSPITAL IN PERIAL TO A 300 BED HOSPITAL IN PERIAL OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS. 
          AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY NONS SENSIBLE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          AND THEY DID NOT DEVELOP A CURE FOR MENTAL ILLNESS WITH A PILL IN BETWEEN THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          IT MAY BE TO ANSWER TO MR. SHANE'S QUESTION, WE ARE KIND OF CAUGHT OFF GUARD TOO. 
          I DON'T, I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN THE LIGHT OUT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR HOW IT GOT THERE. 
          SO YEAH, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IS THE GRANT, THE GRANT NEEDED TO BE UP. 
          WE, WE, WE NEED TO SUBMIT AND PAM HELP HERE. 
          WE NEEDED TO SUBMIT A RESOLUTION SAYING WE WERE GOING FAR OF THE GRANT THAT WE WERE GONNA DO THIS. 
          SO WELL, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING AND TELLING US WHAT IT'S ABOUT. 
          I, IT I GOT IT. 
          IT IS OR IT IS NOT. 
          IT IS NOT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE WERE, AND IF IT MAKES ANY SENSE, WHAT THAT'S TALKING ABOUT IS IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE PUBLIC DEFENDER TYPICALLY DOES. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING RIGHT AT A HUNDRED NEW CASES EACH MONTH, SPLIT UP BETWEEN FOUR LAWYERS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE BUDGETED FOR SEPARATELY DAY DAY OPERATIONS. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE YEAH, IT WASN'T EXPLAINED WELL TO ME. 
          I MEAN, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AND I, I REALLY JIMMY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME OVER SOME FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND SET IN, AND KEN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME BECAUSE I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT, UH, UH, YOU WILL BECOME A BELIEVER IN THE PROGRAM IF YOU SEE IT OPERATE. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THIS PROGRAM, THIS GRANT, UH, IS A NEEDED ADDITION TO THE FACILITY, TO THE, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, PARTS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN PLACE. 
          WE NEED THESE ADDITIONAL PARTS TO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          IT'S EFFECTIVE NOW CAN BE MADE MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT CLEARS IT UP FOR ME. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT. 
          I'VE GOT ONE OF THE THINGS FOR ME SURE. 
          UM, BEING NEW AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE AND EVERYTHING I'D LIKE TO SEE AND BECAUSE PEOPLE ASK US ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THEIR BUDGET AND THE OTHER LAWYERS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A WORKSHOP, UH, ON THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND HAVE THEM MAKE A SCHEDULE AS TO, LIKE YOU SAID, HOW MANY CASES YOU HANDLE PER MONTH, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE FELONY OR MISDEMEANOR OR WHAT TYPE OF MISDEMEANOR AND HOW MANY ARE PLEA CASES AND HOW MANY GO TO COURT. 
          SOME OF THAT I CAN ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD. 
          LIKE I SAID, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL QUARTERS, UH, WE'VE BEEN APPOINTED ON ABOUT A HUNDRED CASES A MONTH. 
          UH, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW MONTHLY OPERATING BUDGET IS ABOUT $33,000. 
          SO, I MEAN, JUST DOING THE MATH, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR AVERAGE COST PER CASE DISTANCE IS. 
          THE BREAKDOWN'S ABOUT 60% MISDEMEANOR, 40% FELONY. 
          AND IT RUNS THE GAMUT OF TYPE OF CASES. 
          I MEAN, WE TRY A MURDER CASE A MONTH OR SO AGO IN JUDGE JUDY'S COURT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CRIMINAL TRESPASS OR YOU KNOW, SOME FAIRLY MINOR INCONSEQUENTIAL PROSECUTIONS. 
          AND, AND HONESTLY, WHEN IT'S LIKE I SAID, A WORKSHOP FOR ANOTHER DAY AS YOU LOOK, I CAN TELL YOU, AND, AND COMMISSIONER SHANE KNOWS THIS AND MAYBE CLARK FROM BEFORE, HOW MUCH WE WERE SPENDING ON END OF DEFENSE WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A PUBLIC DEFENDER. 
          SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER AND JUST HAVING THEM IN TAKING EVERY OTHER MISDEMEANOR CASE, I CAN SPEAK TO THE MISDEMEANORS MORE AND THE ROTATION ON THE FELONY, THAT NUMBER WOULD BE UNBELIEVABLE. 
          MR. SHANE MAY REMEMBER WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS WE HAD IN HIS DEFENSE BACK THEN, BEING THERE ANOTHER TERM AND HOW LARGE THAT NUMBER WAS. 
          AND THIS WAS A COST SAVING, A SIMILAR GRANT THAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS MENTAL ILLNESS. 
          IT WAS A STEP DOWN GRANT. 
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AND THEN WE EVALUATED THE END OF IT, LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, THIS HAS SAVED US MONEY. 
          AND SO WE'D BE, I KNOW ANDREW BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. 
          JUST I, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          UH, WHO DETERMINES WHO IS INDIGENT? IS IT THE JUDGES? WE USE FEDERAL POVERTY GUIDELINES AND, UM, IF THEY MEET THOSE GUIDELINES, THEN WE DECLARE THEM TO BE INDIGENT, ASSUMING THEY HAVE NO ASSETS. 
          JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE INDIGENT. 
          IF THEY HAVE OTHER ASSETS, THEY COME WITH THEIR GOLD CHAINS AND HUNDRED 50  OF LAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE INDIGENT. 
          BUT MOST OF OUR GUYS, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THEIR MENTAL ILLNESS, DRUG ADDICTION, MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE MUCH OF ANYTHING OR ANY WAY TO GET MUCH OF ANYTHING. 
          WELL, HE'S TALKING ABOUT GENERAL POPULATION. 
          OH, GENERAL POPULATION. 
          YEAH. 
          TOTAL CHAINS, NOT MENTALLY. 
          HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PER, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT COMES UP THERE AND SAID, I CAN'T AFFORD A LAWYER. 
          WELL UNDERSTAND. 
          I WANT YOU TO APPOINT ONE. 
          THEY, THEY FILL OUT A DOCUMENT, NONE OF THIS IS DONE LIKE ON THEIR WORK. 
          AND THAT, LIKE, AGAIN, IT'D BE A WHOLE NOTHER SESSION CROSS REFERENCING THE ASSETS AND LOOKING AT IT. 
          BECAUSE I COULD SAY SOMEBODY LOOKS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE EVER FILED A TAX RETURN, BUT I COULD GUESS WHAT THEY MIGHT DO FOR A LIVING. 
          WE COULD FIGURE THAT OUT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS. 
          BUT THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS AND WE WRESTLE WITH THAT. 
          NOW, ON A FELONY CASE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY. 
          WE HAVE DONE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE, UH,  SEVENS ENVISION WHEN WE SEE A PERSON THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT HAS ZERO ON THEIR PAPERWORK. 
          SO YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL GIVE YOU AN ATTORNEY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU PAY IT BACK. 
          WE DO THAT, WE DO THAT PRETTY FREQUENTLY, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          UH, I, SOMEBODY WHO MAY NOT TECHNICALLY QUALIFY FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF COUNSEL, BUT VERY CLOSE IN ORDER TO MOVE THE DOCKET, WE MAY APPOINT COUNSEL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THEY WILL REIMBURSE THE COUNTY TO COST A LOT. 
          WE COLLECT IT JUST LIKE A FINE AND A COURT COST. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T PAY IT, THEN THERE'S, THERE'S ISSUES THAT RESULT OF THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE TRIED TO THINK OF WAYS FOR PEOPLE THAT SAY ONE THING ON PAPER AND LOOK ANOTHER WAY. 
          WELL, THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE, AND WE DO SEEK THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE A LADY THAT DOES THAT. 
          I MEAN, THAT IS HER JOB. 
          ANNETTE, LAURA, SOON AS THE END OF DEFENSE COORDINATOR, SHE SCREAMS ALL OF THESE APPLICANTS, TAKES THEIR INFORMATION, CHECKS IT OUT, THEY DON'T QUALIFY. 
          SHE TURNS 'EM DOWN. 
          MAYBE I CAN VISIT WITH HER. 
          SHE CAN. 
          AND WE RESCREEN A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT END UP BEING IN JAIL WILL BE INDIGENT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN JAIL WILL SAY THAT THEY HAVEN'T BONDED OUT. 
          BUT WHEN THEY COME, IF THEY'VE GOT A JOB, WE AS JUDGES CAN REEVALUATE THAT. 
          I GUESS WE AS USED TO BE JUDGES CAN REEVALUATE. 
          I MEAN, I DUNNO, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YES. 
          THAT KIND OF THING. 
          I, RAY, RAY HAS A QUESTION AND WE DO HAVE OTHER ITEMS ON I WANTED MOVE, WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND I'LL ALSO RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS NO FREED MONEY THAT COMES IN. 
          THE MONEY IS PAID FOR SOMETHING LIKE DOLLAR NO, THIS FIRST YEAR. 
          THIS LAST YEAR IT WAS HUNDRED PERCENT THEN 80%. 
          BUT I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? I THINK IT STARTS OFF, AND YOU MAY RECALL THIS GRANT ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY BEGAN LAST FALL. 
          YES. 
          AND WE HAD TO DEFER ANY STAFFING. 
          OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ROOM, WE DIDN'T HAVE FACILITIES FOR 'EM. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT THREE MONTHS LATE IN THE GAME. 
          BUT IT, UH, IT COMES OFF OUR REGULAR BUDGET AND THERE'S A REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE TEXAS COMMISSION DEFENSE FROM AUSTIN AND I BELIEVE IT'S 8 60, 40 20 THROUGHOUT THE LIFE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO, BUT I THINK WHAT JIMMY'S SUGGESTED, WE DO NEED TO PROBABLY SET UP A MEETING WITH THE COURT AS WELL AS THE END OF THE DEFENSE BOARD. 
          AND THAT WAY ALL THESE QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED. 
          THEY'RE ALL LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS. 
          GET IT ALL ON PAPER, YOU KNOW? YES. 
          LIKE A SCHEDULE WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND I, I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT HAVING THAT ON THE AGENDA ABOUT THE MHMR. UH, THAT PROBABLY THAT I BELIEVE IT STILL IS A GRANT. 
          IT'S THE ONLY GRANT WE HAVE OUT THERE. 
          SO WE CAN UH, WE CAN UH, GO AHEAD AND I BELIEVE MOVE FORWARD. 
          YOU HAVE A MOTION TO UH, YES. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DOLLAR OF MATTER WE'LL PAY ON THAT IS GONNA PAY, WILL SAVE MONEY. 
          I CAN ASSURE THAT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT THE SHERIFF HAS KEEP AFTER JAIL OUT THERE THAT FALL UNDER THIS TYPE PROGRAM, PROBABLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE PEOPLE WE CAN HAVE IN OUR JAIL. 
          AND I THINK THE MOST RISK FOR IN OUR JAIL. 
          AND, UH, HARRIS COUNTY IS THE LARGEST MENTAL HEALTH INSTITUTION IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          HARRIS COUNTY JAIL. 
          HOUSTON IS LARGEST IN UNITED STATE BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT GOT THERE ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE PEOPLE WE'VE DONE. 
          THERE ARE DEALING, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY AND CUT OUR COSTS DOWN, THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY GOOD WAY OF DOING IT. 
          EVEN THOUGH IT COSTS US MONEY TIED AS TIME. 
          AND I ARE, YOU HAVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY SOMETIMES AND SAVE SOME MONEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT WE WILL DO THE NEXT TIME, THE INDIGENT DEFENSE AND FUTURE, WE WILL, UH, POST THAT MEETING SO ANY OF THE COMMISSION CAN COME JUST TO BE AWARE 
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OF WHAT YOU NEED. 
          HELP ME REMEMBER THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I WOULD LIKE, I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT ANDREW, YOU MADE MOTION. 
          YEAH, I MADE MOTION. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY I EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO ALL THE JUDGES AND, UH, ATTORNEYS FOR DONATING YOUR TIME TO HELP THESE PEOPLE. 
          UH, I JUST LIKE TO SAY, I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, IT'S THE BEST THING THAT WE DO. 
          WELL, IT'S THE BEST THING WE DO. 
          IF YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTS AND I'M GLAD TO DO IT. 
          I USED TO BE GLAD TO. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          UH, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, UH, RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR THE 2014 KAMAN COUNTY INDIGENT DEFENSE GRANT PROGRAM. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. MANNING. 
          DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          Y'ALL, Y'ALL GET BACK TO WORK NOW. 
          I HONOR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH, WE NEED TO DO, WE DO BETTER OF THAT ALL ITEM NUMBER FOUR, KATHY MORRIS IS GONNA PRESENT THE PUBLIC WORK REPORT. 
          OKAY? IF YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I WILL BE QUICK. 
          FOR MARCH WE HAD 25 NEW SYSTEMS PERMITS, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD FOR US HAPPENING. 
          WE HAD 19 AEROBICS, THREE CONVENTIONAL FREE PRESSURE DOSING, PRECINCT, PRECINCT ONE 11, PRECINCT TWO SEVEN, PRECINCT THREE, FOUR AND PRECINCT FOUR HAD THREE. 
          WE HAD 81 COMPLAINTS THAT WERE INVESTIGATIVE TOTAL 56 FOR NO MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. 
          22 NO FOR MALFUNCTIONS AND THREE MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS. 
          UH, PRECINCT. 
          THERE WERE 29 IN PRECINCT 1 24 AND TWO AND 10 PRECINCT THREE 15 IN PRECINCT FOUR COURT CASES FILED. 
          THERE WERE ONLY 20. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF OF, UH, VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, WHICH REMOTE 16 WERE FOR NO MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. 
          UH, ONE WAS FOR MALFUNCTION. 
          THREE WERE THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDER. 
          VIOLATIONS OF PRECINCT, PRECINCT ONE, FIVE, PRECINCT TWO, FIVE, PRECINCT THREE, THREE PRECINCT FOUR. 
          AND OF COURSE THEY'RE ALL FILED IN PRECINCT FOUR AND COURTS HELD IT OUT OUR, OUT OUR BUILDING AND THERE WERE 22 SITE VISIT FOLLOW UP. 
          AND IF YOU LOSE BIG BLANK SPOT IN THE 9 1 1 GIS STUFF PROBABLY DID NOT GIVE A REPORT AGAIN. 
          SO I HAVE TO ROLL THESE CHAIN. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, ON THESE COMPLAINTS, IT SHERIFF BE 56 COMPLAINTS FOR NO MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, RIGHT? WHAT IS, IS THAT LACK OF EDUCATION AMONG THE PEOPLE? NO. 
          IS IT JUST THE, THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDER NOT TURNING IN THE CONTRACT THAT THEY MAKE WITH THE, WITH THE HOMEOWNER. 
          IS THERE NOT A FINE FOR THOSE PEOPLE? NOT THE JUDGE HAS DONE THAT IN THE PAST. 
          YES, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF MAINTENANCE PROVIDERS THAT ARE CHRONIC AND THE JUDGE HAS FINE THEM INSTEAD OF FINDING THE HOMEOWNER. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY, NOT ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT HER REPORT? SO MADE COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND, UH, LET YOU YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROSA. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          THANK ALL ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          UH, OUR HR DIRECTOR PRESENTING, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING THE HEALTHCARE REFORM ACT AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT THE COUNTY POLICY. 
          AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A, UH, A HANDOUT. 
          I NEED Y'ALL HANDOUT. 
          AND THEN I ATTACHED A COPY OF, UM, OUR LITTLE PRESENTATION. 
          UH, SHELLY AND I WENT TO TRAINING THE WEEK BEFORE LAST ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          WE GOT ABOUT A ONE HOUR PRESENTATION ON THIS WHOLE HEALTHCARE FORMAT AND WE NEED ABOUT A WEEK ON THIS STUFF. 
          SO, UM, THE MAIN THING, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO UM, LET YOU KNOW THE MAIN THINGS THAT, UM, IS GOING TO AFFECT US. 
          THEY'VE KIND OF BEEN INSERTING A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS EACH YEAR. 
          UM, THAT'S, WE'VE KIND OF MADE SOME CHANGES. 
          THE MAIN THING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE JANUARY 1ST, 2014 FOR US, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF IT'S NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED FOR US UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, 2014. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN OUR PLANNED ANNIVERSARY IS. 
          WE'RE STILL WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH TAC TO GET A BIGGER UNDERSTANDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO. 
          BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT GONNA BE EFFECTIVE FOR US UNTIL OCTOBER. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION OF WHERE IF WE'RE GONNA PAY OR PLAY IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT. 
          UM, WE ALREADY 
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PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          UM, BUT THE MAIN THING IS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OFFER IT TO AT LEAST 95% OF ALL OF OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND THEIR DEPENDENTS. 
          UH, THE DEFINITION OF OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO CHANGE. 
          UM, FULL-TIME IS NOW GONNA BE ANY EMPLOYEES THAT WORK 30 HOURS OR MORE A WEEK. 
          SO IF AN EMPLOYEE WERE, IF YOU HAVE A PART-TIME, IF THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS PART-TIME AND THEY WORK, UM, 30 HOURS, THEN WE DO HAVE TO PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE TO THEM AND THEIR DEPENDENTS. 
          SO IF THEY WORK 30 HOURS ONE WEEK AND THEN THE NEXT WEEK THEY WORK 25, WE STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE TO THEM FOR THAT WHOLE ENTIRE YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A BIG CHANGE, BIG COSTLY THING TO US. 
          NOW WHAT WE CAN DO, THERE'S NO, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO LEGAL RESTRICTIONS FOR US TO REDUCE THEIR HOURS, UM, TO MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE HEALTH HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THEM. 
          THE THING WITH THAT IS, IS THAT WE, THEY DO GO BACK AND MEASURE THAT UP TO 12 MONTHS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE PRETTY EFFECTIVE NOW. 
          SO IF THEY WERE, UM, IF, IF IT HAS, IF IT'S EFFECTIVE OCTOBER OF 2014, THEY CAN GO BACK ALL THE WAY BACK INTO OCTOBER 1ST, 2013. 
          SO THIS PLAN HERE. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          SO I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS, JUST KIND OF THE ONES I'VE SEEN, SEEN, JUST KIND OF LET ME KNOW. 
          UM, BUT WE KIND OF NEED TO BE MORE CAREFUL WITH HOW TO TRACK IT VERY CLOSELY. 
          'CAUSE IF THEY WORK ONE HOUR OVER ONE WEEK, THEN WE CAN BE IN VIOLATION. 
          THERE'S A PENALTY THAT IT'S GONNA AFFECT. 
          THEY CAN, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S $2,000 PENALTY, UH, FOR THAT EMPLOYEE. 
          AND THEY CAN CHARGE US, UM, FOR THAT, FOR NOT MAKING IT, FOR NOT US NOT PROVIDING INSURANCE TO THEM. 
          THEY CAN CHARGE US A $2,000 PENALTY FOR US FOR THAT ONE EMPLOYEE FOR THE MORNING ONE HOUR OVER. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS DEAL. 
          UM, PRETTY COSTLY FOR US NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. 
          UM, WE DO ALSO HAVE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE IS AFFORDABLE FOR, UM, THE EMPLOYEE COSTS FOR SALE ONLY. 
          IT CANNOT EXCEED 9.5% OF THEIR W2 WAGES. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR PREMIUM. 
          SO WE'RE OKAY RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT IF WE ARE TO INCREASE THEIR WAGES OR INCREASE THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE OR THEY, UM, HAVE TO PAY ANY PART OF THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GO OVER 9.5% OF THEIR W2 WAGES. 
          RIGHT NOW THERE'S DEBATE OVER, I'M STILL LEARNING THIS WHOLE THING. 
          UM, IF THAT'S TOTAL HOUSEHOLD W2 WAGES OR THAT'S JUST EMPLOYER WAGES, SO WE'RE STILL NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THAT, UM, WAGES THAT W2 WAGES IS AT AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THE PENALTY FOR THAT IS $3,000 FOR EACH EMPLOYEE THAT BECOMES ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL SUBSIDIES. 
          SO THAT COULD MEAN EVEN IF WE, UM, WE HAVE A LARGE SCALE OF SALARIES. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S 9.5% FOR SOME, BUT SAY YOU'VE GOT 20 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL SUBSIDIES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY 30 UH, $3,000 FOR THOSE 20 EMPLOYEES. 
          SO IT CAN BE PRETTY COSTLY PENALTY FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, WE ALSO, THERE'S GONNA BE UM, THEY'RE CALLING IT A TRANSITIONAL REINSURANCE FEE, A TAX ON IT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO PAY $63 A YEAR FOR EVERY PUBLIC LIFE. 
          SO THAT MEANS, UM, NOT JUST EMPLOYEES, THAT'S FOR ANY DEPENDENT. 
          SO IF YOU'VE GOT ONE EMPLOYEE WITH FIVE PEOPLE ON THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, WE'VE GOTTA PAY $62 FOR EACH PERSON ON THEIR PLAN. 
          UM, AND THAT'S STILL A DEBATE AS OF RIGHT NOW WITH TAC TAC IS GONNA PAY THAT FEE IF WE HAVE TO PAY THAT FEE. 
          I MEAN, EITHER WAY WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO PAY IT SOMEHOW, BUT UM, THAT IS A $62 PER YEAR FOR ALL COVID LIFE ON THE INSURANCE PLAN. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH TAC AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD VERY LITTLE TRAINING ON THIS. 
          THIS JUST ALL CAME ABOUT, UM, THE WEEK BEFORE LAST AND AN HOUR SESSION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE CUT OUT OF IT. 
          SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D GIVE YOU A HEADS UP OF WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE AND A FEW CHANGES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE AND CONSIDERING RE RE-UP OUR HEALTH INSURANCE AND STUFF. 
          SO, SO THAT 29 HOUR APPLY UNTIL OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR TO US, WE CAN DO THE STATUS QUO. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING. 
          UM, I'M STILL LOOKING INTO IT. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, FROM WHAT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OUR CHANGES WILL NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, 2014. 
          AND SO THEY CAN GO BACK A YEAR PREVIOUS, WHICH WILL BE OCTOBER 1ST, 2013. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY UNTIL THEN. 
          SO, UH, BUT, AND ONE THING WE WILL HAVE TO CHANGE IS, UM, OUR DEFINITION OF FULL-TIME AND OUR POLICY, AND IT COULD JUST BE FULL-TIME WITH BENEFITS. 
          AND SO IF, IF WE HAVE A, IF WE HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE WORKING 30 HOURS RECEIVING, 
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IF THEY WORK, BECAUSE THEY, THEY SAID THAT FROM WHAT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS, THEY CAN GO BACK AND MEASURE IT A YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S JUST TO PREVENT FROM OKAY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2014, YOU CAN NO LONGER WORK, UM, 30 WORK 30 HOURS. 
          THAT'S TO PREVENT THAT. 
          AND SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, A WHOLE YEAR THEY CAN MEASURE IT, GO BACK A WHOLE YEAR AND SAY WITHIN THAT YEAR PRIOR, IF YOU'VE WORKED WITH 30 HOURS OR MORE WITHIN THAT WHOLE YEAR, THEN WE CAN, THEY HAVE TO PAY YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT NOW, IF THEY'RE WORKING 32 HOURS A WEEK AND YOU RUN DOWN TO OCTOBER 1ST, AND THEN IT GOES INTO 2014, UH, BUDGET FROM OCTOBER FOR AVERAGE, JANUARY 1ST, THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU OWE A WHOLE YEAR'S INSURANCE FOR THIS PERSON BECAUSE HE WAS WORKING 32 HOURS A WEEK ALL DURING 2013. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE OKAY RIGHT NOW UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST. 
          WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE DEFENSIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, I AGREE. 
          I, AND WIND UP BEING A TON OF MONEY. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANTED TO BRING IT TO INTENTION IS KIND OF, KIND OF START WORKING ON IT NOW. 
          EITHER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY THEIR INSURANCE OR NOT. 
          LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUDGET IT INTO YOUR BUDGET OR START BRINGING THEIR HOURS BACK. 
          WE APPRECIATE WELL, INFORMAL SOUND LIKE IT'S STILL KIND OF MOVING. 
          IT'S, AND IT'S VERY, EVEN THE LADY THAT WAS KIND OF GIVEN THE PRESENTATION, LIKE I SAID, WE GOT AN HOUR ON IT. 
          SHE COULD HAVE TALKED FOR DAYS ON IT. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS AND I'VE BEEN READING ON IT SINCE WE GOT BACK TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT MORE. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S STILL A CONTROVERSY. 
          IT'S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. 
          SO THANKS FOR THE AND ATION, AND THAT'S JUST THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT RIGHT. 
          UM, AT THE CONFERENCE THAT I HANDED OUT TO Y'ALL. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT, WHAT I TYPED UP IS JUST MY WHOLE SUMMARY. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YOUR, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          PRESENTATION OF THE ACT FOR THE COURT. 
          THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX 
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IS FROM OUR TAX THE COURT MARCH PILES. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          . 
          YES, SIR. 
          AS OF THE END OF MARCH, WE HAVE COLLECTED 94% OF THE 2012 TAXES. 
          THAT MEANS OF THE 29 MILLION PLUS THAT WE SENT OUT BILLS FOR, WE STILL NEED TO COLLECT ABOUT 1.7 MILLION. 
          AND TIMES ARE TOUGH. 
          SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND TRYING TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO PAY IT OFF AT A TIME. 
          UH, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE 6% MORE TO COLLECT FOR 2012. 
          AND THAT'S THE SAME THING FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGET. 
          WE COLLECT THE 94%, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 192,000 PLUS TO GO, UH, ON THE ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGET. 
          ANY QUESTION QUESTIONS FOR MS. RANDY? APPRECIATE MR. I BE, WE ACCEPT THE REPORT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK TO ACCEPT THE COURT. 
          MR. SHANE SECOND OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU TANYA. 
          ITEM NUMBER, UH, SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING AN ENVELOPE AGREEMENT WITH FIRST SOUTHWEST AS ASSET MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED FOR ARBITRAGE RE COMPLIANCE SERVICES. 
          AND KAREN, I BELIEVE HAD THAT ON THERE. 
          WAS THAT JOHNNY? I HAD EMAILED YOU ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DUNNO THAT JOHNNY HAD, WELL YOU, ONE OF YOU WENT THROUGH THE TRAINING, I BELIEVE, UH, ABOUT THE, THE ARBITRAGE ON THE, ANY OUTSTANDING BOND WE HAVE. 
          THAT HAS NOT BEEN, I CAN SEE WHAT IT'S OKAY. 
          WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? ALRIGHT. 
          DID YOU GO TO THAT TRAINING? I WENT TO THAT TRAINING YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DO A BOND ISSUE, YOU USUALLY HAVE A BUDGET THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND SO MUCH FOR BUILDING, SO MUCH FOR LAND IMPROVEMENT. 
          ADDING THIS AND ADDING THAT. 
          AND YOU GO OUT AND YOU SELL THE BONDS. 
          YOU HAVE A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD TO MOVE THAT MONEY TO GIVE THE CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS ACTUALLY A FIXED ASSET THAT YOU CAN USE OR STUFF. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF WE INVEST THAT MONEY, IF THE COUNTRY GONNA PUT IT WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EARNING SOME MONEY AND NOT HOLDING IT AN ITEM BANK ACCOUNT. 
          YOU DON'T SPEND THAT MONEY WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ARBITRAGE CALCULATION DONE. 
          IT'S VERY COMPLEX CALCULATION. 
          THEN YOU OWE THE IRS AND YOU KEPT THAT MONEY TOO LONG AND NOT SPENT IT. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY SIMPLY WHAT IT'S, IT HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE 2005. 
          REALLY THE ONLY, UH, I BELIEVE THE ONLY FUND WE HAVE THAT THIS TAKES IS THE MONEY THAT THE COURT DID, UH, BACK IN 2006 OR I BELIEVE $2.5 MILLION WHERE MONEY WAS, UH, ALLOCATED THROUGH REPAIR, UH, MAIN COURTHOUSE. 
          I THINK THEY ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED THE VESTIBULE ON FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE AND SECURED THE VESTIBULE. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THOSE FUNDS WERE LIMITED TO THE MAIN COURTHOUSE. 
          THE ANNEX SOUTH CAMPUS, SOUTH CAMPUS, I BELIEVE PRIMARILY. 
          UH, AND WE STILL HAVE AROUND 830 OR $40,000 THAT SIT, WHICH WE HAD INITIALLY DESIGNATED TO UPSTAIRS RENOVATION UPSTAIRS. 
          THAT'S KIND OF ON HOLD NOW BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH THE COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE ALL OF OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS. 
          AND PLUS WE STILL DON'T HAVE SET PLANS. 
          SO THOSE TWO ITEMS KIND OF CLOSED DOWN ON THAT. 
          BUT THE ISSUE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO KEEP UP WITH THIS FOR US. 
          AND FIRST SOUTHWEST, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAD A CONTRACT WITH US FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND THAT CONTRACT WAS TO EXPIRE, I BELIEVE, WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO THIS, THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT WILL ALLOW FIRST SOUTHWEST TO FIGURE THAT ARBITRARY DEMAND AND THEN MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW. 
          BASICALLY WHAT IT'S BECAUSE WE CAN BE FINE AND WE NEWS, IT'S A GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS SORT OF THING. 
          BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN SO LOW WHERE WE'VE INVESTED THE MONEY THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NOT EARNED A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT. 
          THAT'S ALSO BAD NEWS. 
          INTEREST RATES HIGHER, WE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO EARN SOME EXTRA. 
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I KNOW MR HAD MENTIONED TO ME BEFORE WHEN THEY DID AN ARBITRAGE CALCULATION THAT, UM, IT WAS LIKE A NEGATIVE MINUS 0.2 MILLION. 
          SO WE DIDN'T OWE ANYTHING. 
          UH, BUT DURING THE OUTSIDE AUDIT, UH, I WAS QUESTIONED ON WHY WE'RE SITTING ON THOSE FUNDS AND HAVEN'T SPENT IT AND WANTED TO KNOW WHEN WE HAD ARBITRAGE CALCULATION AND I FOUND OUT FROM MR. PENMAN AND, UH, THEY'RE SUGGESTING BE DONE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE, WE OWE ANYONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          MORE QUESTIONS. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          WHAT WILL BE THE COST? IT'S ON PAGE ONE NOT TO EXCEED 3,600. 
          WHERE WOULD THIS MONEY BE BUDGETED FROM? PROBABLY UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          AND I DUNNO WHETHER YOU COULD BE PAID FOR OUT THE, THE PROCEEDS OR NOT. 
          WELL, WE CAN FIND THAT OUT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT. 
          I'LL TALK TO THE AUDIT COUNCIL AUDITORS. 
          UH, I DO KNOW THAT'S VERY REASONABLE BECAUSE WHERE I WAS PRIOR OPENING, WE HAD TO HAVE AN ARBITRAGE CALCULATION. 
          IT WAS A LITTLE UNDER $40,000, BUT WE HAD MILLIONS OF FINES. 
          YEAH, PROBABLY BASED ON THE SIZE. 
          IT'S YES, THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASED ON. 
          ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THE OFFICER. 
          DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS DONE BY OUTSIDE FRAME? WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. 
          NO, SIR. 
          IT'S A VERY COMPLEX CALCULATION CAN BE DONE. 
          THEY TAUGHT US HOW TO DO IT. 
          IF THEY ALSO TELL YOU YOU'RE NOT A LAWYER OR AN EXPERT AT THAT CALCULATION, YOU GO THROUGH ALL THE BANK STATEMENTS, SEE THE INTEREST OR TIME PERIOD WHEN IT WAS SPENT, AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE LITTLE CALENDAR THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO MARK AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE. 
          SHANE MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE INTO THE CONTRACT. 
          THE FIRST SOUTHWEST, UH, ASSET MANAGEMENT. 
          DO I HAVE SECOND, SECOND. 
          SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MANNING. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED BEFORE WE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, JACK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSSING CONSIDER EXPANDING A PROCUREMENT CARD PROGRAM FOR  COUNTY. 
          UH, JIM, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          UH, YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE, UH, PRIOR TO THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT BEING IN EXISTENCE, UH, COUNTY HAD SEVERAL CARS, CARS, UH, TRACTOR SUPPLY CARDS. 
          AND UH, WHAT I LIKE TO DO, I HAVE A CONCERN AS WELL AS, AS THE OUTSIDE OFFICER, THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT CARDS WE HAVE OUT THERE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF, UH, PROCUREMENT CARDS FROM CITIBANK. 
          UH, I HAVE TWO MORE HAVE TWO SHERIFF'S OFFICE WEEK. 
          UH, WE PROBABLY GOT SEVERAL OR EIGHT CARDS OUT THERE. 
          MY CONCERN IS, UH, IS, UH, THE WALMART CARS AND, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON WALMART, BUT, UH, TRACTOR SUPPLY AND LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT AND THIS SORT OF THING, UH, WHICH ROSA MENTIONED THIS WEEK, HE'D LIKE TO GET A, THE TRACTOR SUPPLY CARD. 
          UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS, UH, IF YOU GO TO, UH, HOME DEPOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY USED TO HAVE THEIR OWN CREDIT DEPARTMENT AND NOW THEY'VE SOLD ALL THESE SERVICES TO CREDIT CARD COMPANIES. 
          SO I KNOW WHY, WHY THERE'S A FEAR OF CREDIT CARDS. 
          COUNTY GAVE TOO MANY CREDIT. 
          THE, ONCE AGAIN, THE LOWS AND HOME DEPOT TRACTOR SUPPLY, UH, NORTHERN TOOL. 
          THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF THOSE. 
          I GET DOWN TO ONE CAR IS MY GOAL. 
          UH, ACTUALLY PROBABLY TWO CARS. 
          I THINK A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS WERE ON THE, UH, COMMITTEE ON THE FUEL HERE WHILE BACK MAY REMEMBER THAT KIND OF DIED OUT DUE TO THE TRYING TO GET, UH, THE SOFTWARE FOR THE BARN, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I THINK KIND OF MORE, I'D LIKE TO GET BACK ON THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT MY GOAL, UH, WAS SUPPORT THE COURT. 
          I KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION TODAY, BUT WOULD BE TO GET DOWN TO ONE FUEL CARD AND A, UH, MASTER CARD TO DO IT. 
          AND, UH, I'M THINKING POSSIBLY THAT, UH, I WOULD HAVE A COUPLE CARDS IN MY OFFICE FOR THE DEPARTMENTS OF KAUFMAN, UH, COMMISSIONERS WOULD WOULD AGREE. 
          UH, I CAN SEE HAVING A CARD IN THEIR OFFICE IF THEY SIGN OUT, PEOPLE IN THEIR, IN THEIR AREA, THEY CAN BE USED VERY LITTLE. 
          BUT, UH, I KNOW THE OUTSIDE AUTHOR WANTS TO GET A POLICY ON, ON THESE CARDS, WRITTEN POLICY. 
          IT'S PROBABLY ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WRITE, WRITE A POLICY FOR 10 DIFFERENT CARDS. 
          UH, OUR NEW SOFTWARE, WE HAVE FIVE SOFTWARE HAS A MODULE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE EXISTING PROCUREMENT 
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CARD THAT WOULD ALLOW, UH, THE SOFTWARE FOLKS PUSH THAT DATA TO THE END USER LIST OF THEIR CHARGES THEY MAKE. 
          BUT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, THEY WOULD. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE, THEY'D COME TO MY OFFICE, I'D REVIEW THOSE. 
          IF ANYBODY, WE GET THOSE PAID. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, GET A REBATE FOR ALL THESE PURCHASE THROUGH THE CREDIT CARD. 
          SO I, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE DID A WORKSHOP OR IF THE COURT ENTERTAINED THEY JUST SUBMITTING A POLICY FOR PROOF. 
          WE'LL JUST OPEN UP A DISCUSSION. 
          DO YOU HAVE A COMPANY IN MIND IF YOU JUST WENT WITH ONE CARD? WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, UH, CITY BANK, MASTERCARD. 
          IT'S A STATE OF TEXAS CREDIT CARD THAT'S APPROVED. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT SIX OR SEVEN CARDS OUT THERE NOW. 
          IT'S WORKING WELL. 
          AND EACH PRECINCT COMMISSIONER WOULD GET ONE FOR THEIR, WHAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, UH, UH, EACH UH, COMMISSIONER WOULD'VE A CARD AND, UH, PRECINCT ONE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU WOULD NOT BE BURDENED WITH THE OTHER AREAS IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRECINCT. 
          I CAN KEEP CARDS IN MY OFFICE. 
          THEY COME BY AND SIGN 'EM OUT, BUT PRECINCT, UH, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. 
          UH, I SEE VERY LITTLE USAGE IN THOSE AREAS. 
          BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CARD ON HAND THAT YOU CAN HAND OUT, SOMEBODY CHARGE, COME BACK. 
          I'M SEEING THE, I I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU REALIZE, I THINK I  TOO. 
           REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE A MESS OF, NOW YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOWE'S OR THERE AGAIN PEOPLE, BUT ALL THESE PLACES ARE GOING TO, IT MAY HAVE THEIR NAME ON IT, MR. CREDIT CARD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I THINK IT HELP THE AUDITOR TO HAVE ONE CREDIT CARD BILL PER MONTH AND THEN VERSUS THE YEAH, IT DOES. 
          UM, WE'VE USED THOSE FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES AND THEY'VE WORKED OUT REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO USE THE STATE CONTRACT CREDIT CARD AND THE SOFTWARE WILL USE WHATEVER BANK THAT IS TO UPLOAD IT INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          AND YOU CAN SET THE MERCHANT CODES, THE NCC CODES WHERE THEY CAN'T BE SPENT ON ALCOHOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN WATCH THE PURCHASES. 
          SOMETHING I, ONE THING I DID DO THAT I DIDN'T GET TO MENTION TO JACK ON THIS WAS I WROTE A, A LEGAL FORM. 
          THAT PERSON THAT CHECKED THAT OUT KNEW THAT IF THEY BOUGHT SOMETHING THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO, IT WAS AUTOMATIC TERMINATION, THEY BOUGHT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT RIGHT. 
          SO, I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING HE MIGHT WANT TO GET STILL TO AND EVERYBODY TO GIVE YOU A COMFORTABLE LEVEL. 
          WELL I THINK ONE, ONE CREDIT CARD APPEARED TO BE A GOOD IDEA THAT YOU, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DID YOU NOT TELL ME ONE TIME THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ALL THE CREDIT CARDS ARE THAT'S BEEN ISSUED TO THE COUNTY? I THINK THAT'S, SAY THAT'S QUITE A TRUE STATEMENT. 
          UH, UH, WE HAVE CALLED DEPARTMENTS TO, UH, GET ALL THE INFORMATION. 
          I DON'T HAVE REAL COMFORTABLE LEVEL WITH IT. 
          THAT'S THAT, THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT. 
          AND ANOTHER THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE TERMINATE AN EMPLOYEE, IT'S GOT FIVE CREDIT CARDS. 
          HE'S BEEN CARRYING AROUND WITH 'EM TO PURCHASE STUFF WITH. 
          YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS HARD TO HAVE TERMINATED ALL FIVE OF YOU TERMINATE. 
          IF YOU ONLY GOT ONE, IT'D MAKE THAT PROCESS MUCH SIMPLER. 
          IT NOT, I DUNNO IF ANY DOWN SIDES TO THE ONE CREDIT CARD. 
          I'M KIND LIKE COMMAND IF I THINK IF SOMEBODY PRECINCT TWO NEEDS A CREDIT CARD, SEND 'EM DOWN THERE TO . 
          I DON'T WANT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST AN IN, UH, AN INCONVENIENCE FOR THE PEOPLE OVER THERE. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          I AGREE. 
          I MEAN, LIKE I MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS SET UP BEFORE BECAUSE THERE WASN'T PERFECT. 
          NOW YOU PROBABLY GET SOME PUSHBACK. 
          IF YOU'RE SOMEONE IN TER THAT HAS A CAR WHO HAS TO DRIVE A COFFIN COUPLE CARS UP TO GET A CAR FROM ME, IT MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE HIS A HANDLE. 
          I SEE CAROL BEING THE ONLY, THE BIG AREA. 
          DO YOU HAVE CONSTABLES THAT GO, GO TO THESE PLACES? ONCE IN WHILE? I HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING CAR OFFICE. 
          THEY CAN ISSUE OUT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BARN. 
          THEY CAN COME AND GET IN IF WE HAVE TO US COMMISSIONER TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT GOES ON WITH OUR COURT. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE CLEAR ON STATE ABOUT NOT KNOWING HOW MANY CARDS. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHEN THE BILL COMES IN WHERE THESE CARDS ARE, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME FOLKS THAT UH, UH, HAVE NEVER TURNED 'EM. 
          I'VE NEVER TURNED THEM IN. 
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I GET A LIST FROM ANYBODY THAT SHELTERS ALL THE ACCOUNTS. 
          THERE'S CARS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT BEING USED THAT COULDN'T EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I GUESS I'LL BE A CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S YOUR POSITION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXPAND THE PROCUREMENT CARD PROGRAM AS RECOMMENDED BY THE, UH, OFFICER. 
          YES, THE PERSON AGENT. 
          PERSON AGENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION, LIKE MOVE FORWARD ON TRYING TO FIND INFORMATION ON THE COURT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. 
          I'D LIKE TO GET BACK ON A THIRD. 
          AGAIN. 
          I THINK WE WERE ALMOST THERE. 
          WE HAD MET AND WE LOOKED AT TWO COMPANIES AND PICKED THE ONE. 
          I THINK WHAT BROUGHT US DOWN WAS WE WERE TRYING TO GET A READER AT EACH LOCATION BECAUSE CASE KIND OUT HAND AND THAT JUST PROGRAMS WE GET BACK ON. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          YOU VOTE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH JACK. 
          ITEM NUMBER 10 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN POLICY FOR COUNTY OWNED ASSETS AND INVENTORY PROCEDURES. 
          JIM, I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT. 
          UH, CAUTION. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, GIVE  BY DEPARTMENT, MY EMPLOYEES THAT THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT, UH, WE'VE DONE A COUNTYWIDE INVENTORY ON ALL PROPERTY. 
          UH, I THINK WE ARE, WE LIKE TWO AREAS AND I THINK IT'S A SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND, UH, THE IT DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, BEYOND THAT WE HAVE BEEN EVERY LOCATION COUNTED EVERY ITEM. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO GET MY HOPES IS TO GET THIS APPROVED. 
          SO WE START THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THEY'VE GOT PAGES OF ITEMS TO, I THINK YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, IT'S A JOINT EFFORT, UH, BETWEEN DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS TO MAKE SURE ALL OUR PROPERTIES THERE. 
          AND, UH, I HOPE YOU GOT TIME TO REVIEW THAT. 
          I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I LIKE REAL GOOD ABOUT THIS IS ON PAGE, UH, TWO UNDER B BARCODE COUNTY TAG PLACEMENT GUIDELINES. 
          UH, I HAVE HAD TROUBLE FINDING THOSE TAGS ON THIS EQUIPMENT AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          AND I, I REALLY LIKE JUST, UH, THIS DEAL WHERE THE TAGS WOULD BE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN GO TO THIS AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHERE THE TAGS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW. 
          AND UH, I I LIKED THAT DEAL BECAUSE I HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING FOR TAGS AND THEN FOUND THEM RIGHT WHEN I WAS GETTING OFF OF IT WALKING AWAY. 
          I LOOKED BACK THAT DOWN. 
          WHERE IS IT? OH, THERE IT IS. 
          YOU KNOW. 
          SO, AND I THINK YOU'VE NOTICED THAT, UH, A COUPLE THINGS. 
          WE, WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE NOW SOFTWARE, I THINK WE NEED BUY, UH, A LABEL MAKER THAT PRINTS THOSE OUT AND WE NEED TO BUY A, UH, BARCODE MACHINE. 
          BUT, UH, I THINK YOU'LL NOTICE OUR GOAL IS YOU GET THE TAGS AT THE SAME PLACE. 
          RIGHT? STAY LOCATIONAL. 
          COUNTYWIDE. 
          WE WANT, WHERE IS YOUR PURCHASING SURPLUS FACILITY? THAT SOUNDS KIND OF FANCY. 
          WHERE IS THAT GOING LOCATED CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY IS AT THE OLD JAIL PARKING LOT OF THE OLD JAIL. 
          I'D BE GLAD. 
          COULD THIS QUESTIONS OF, UH, JACK ABOUT THE, UH, COUNTY OWNED ASSETS AND INVENTORY WHEN, UH, SOMETHING IS PURCHASED. 
          LIKE YOU GOT THE LEVEL FORM THE OTHER DAY. 
          YES SIR. 
          UM, WILL YOU AUTOMATICALLY GENERATE A UH, ID NUMBER BARCODED TAG FOR THAT? RIGHT? WE WILL HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RAISING THIS, UH, LIMIT FROM, I THINK WE'RE AT 200, I BELIEVE TO THOUSAND, UH, AND STIPULATION. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME VOLATILE ITEMS COMPUTERS, RIGHT. 
          WE'LL PUT A TAG ON ANYWAY. 
          UH, BUT WE'LL SEND ON TAG UP. 
          YES SIR. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO FILL IN THE FORM AND SEND IT TO YOU. 
          REQUEST SEND THIS FORM. 
          KEEP IN MIND WE NEED, THAT'S OUR, HOW MUCH OF THE COST IS THEY GONNA NEED? I THINK IT 2,503 SOMETHING END. 
          IT'S JUST A MANUAL, MANUAL LABEL RECORD THAT YOU HAVE TO READ OFF. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF BARCODE CAPABILITY AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
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AND THIS, THERE, AGAIN, THIS IS A, UH, APPROVED THROUGH OUR LOCAL OR THROUGH OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL SOFTWARE PROVIDER WORK CONJUNCTION SOFTWARE. 
          AND WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ON ITEM NUMBER 10? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS WRITTEN POLICY FOR THE COUNTY ON ASSETS AND INVENTORY. 
          PROCEED. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER ROSA, ACCEPT MOTION DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR. 
          THAT GIVES US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE HEADED. 
          I BELIEVE ITEM NUMBER 11 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER BID, UH, BID NUMBER 13 DASH OH TWO TRASH HAULING FOR THE COUNTYWIDE CLEANUP PROGRAM, WHICH IS APPROACH. 
          IT'S, UH, GENTLEMEN, I THINK WE HAVE A COPY TO A, WE HAVE, UH, WE WERE DOWN TO TWO BIDS THIS TIME. 
          SO I, WE GOT ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATION. 
          WE'RE THERE THIS YEAR. 
          UH, I RECOMMEND AWARD TO, UH, EACH CATEGORY. 
          AND THAT'S ONE YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED. 
          YES. 
          PARTICULAR DID THEY EVER SAY JACK LIVE? IT'S, IT'S SUCH A EXPENSIVE DELIVERY CHARGE TO GO TO CR THOSE ARE TWO SCURRY. 
          IT'S ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH. 
          NO, SIR. 
          I'VE NEVER GOT EXPLAN. 
          LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'D BE CLOSER TO YEAH, YOU'D THINK SO. 
          BUT THEY DON'T OFFER ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER. 
          AND SINCE THE ONLY PARTY IN TOWN, THAT'S WHO WE'VE GOT. 
          WE'RE GONNA KEEP THIS, UH, P GOING. 
          THAT'S CHARGE. 
          WE GOT, I THINK BY, I THINK BY LOOK THESE NUMBERS ONCE I KNOW THESE ARE ESTIMATED NUMBER PULL OFFS. 
          YES. 
          THEY'RE FROM EVERYBODY. 
          YES. 
          IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE, I BELIEVE WE'LL EXCEED OUR BUDGET. 
          CARING FOR THE YEAR. 
          I AGREE. 
          THIS IS BASED ON LAST YEAR'S PERIOD. 
          WHAT I, IF THEY'RE ACCURATE, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THAT'S DONE WITH, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BUDGET TIME THIS YEAR, WE LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, IF WE EXCEED IT. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT KAREN TO SEE IF WE HAVE MONEY THAT WE CAN TRANSFER FROM SOME OTHER, I THINK, MAN, I HAVE DISCUSSED, I THINK COMMISSIONER MAN HAVE DISCUSSED THAT, UH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, JUNIOR FUTURE MAY NEED TO GET DOWN TO FOUR LOCATIONS. 
          I'D GET DOWN WHERE I YEAH, PRECINCT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          BUT THERE BE LOTS OF QUA GOING. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST AT TIME. 
          WE SAID SEND THE PEOPLE OVER TO PRECINCT TOO, POSSIBLY. 
          BUT THAT COULD BE SENATOR SOME MONEY. 
          AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE NEXT YEAR. 
          ATTEMPTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU NOTICE THAT THE ONE BIDDER, UH, COMMUNITY WASTE, THEY HAVE A DELIVERY FEE THAT ALWAYS SKEWS THE NUMBERS. 
          I LIKE TO HAVE ANY INCLUDE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE A SEPARATE, UH, LINE ITEM FOR DELIVERY. 
          BUT YOU'RE DOWN. 
          TWO PUT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEMS? NUMBER 11. 
          I MOVE WE THE BID 13 TWO FOR RECOMMENDATIONS DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A OPPOSED I. 
          THE ITEM NUMBER 12 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AWARDING RFQ NUMBER TWO 13 ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR UH, ENGINEERING SERVICES. 
          GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE, UH, LONG AWAITED, UH, AWARD OF THIS ENGINEERING SERVICE CONTRACT. 
          UH, WE HAD, UH, FIVE BIDDERS, UH, LEADERSHIP TRAFFIC SERVICES, BROWN AND GATE, KYLE FINDLEY NICHOLS, AND WINKELMAN ASSOCIATES. 
          UH, THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED ALL THE POLLS AND, UH, KYLE FINDLEY, UH, RECEIVED A HIGH SCORE. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COPY OF THEIR, UH, CONTRACT. 
          THEIR SUBMITTED THEIR PRICING. 
          IT SEEMS TO BE IN, IN RANGE OF, UH, RAY CLARK ASSISTED ME ON THIS AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT LIKE COMPETITIVE. 
          UH, THEY COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THEY OFFERED THE BEST PROPOSAL, UH, PENDING, UH, JOHN'S APPROVAL NOT TO WILDLIFE TO RECOMMEND ORDER THAT CONTRACT. 
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SIR, THIS SAME GUY ANOTHER, ANOTHER HAD WAS, WHICH I THINK WAS PART OF THE COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION. 
          HE HAD SOME HERE, COUNTY. 
          IT MAY NOT BE THE ONE YOU'RE THINKING THERE WAS TWO OF IT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT. 
          MANNING ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. 
          AGAIN, IT, UH, WE NEED TO GET WITH THESE PEOPLE, UH, PRETTY IMMEDIATELY AND LAURA WILL NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT OUR SUBDIVISION, UH, PLANNING FEES ARE. 
          'CAUSE THESE, THESE HOURLY RATES ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE. 
          SO WE VERY WELL POSSIBLY NEED TO RAISE OUR, OUR FEES TO COVER THESE PEOPLE'S FEES. 
          SO, UH, I'VE GOT A CALL IN TO THE GUY TO GET, GET WITH TO LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE CHARGING ENOUGH FOR FEES TO COVER THESE PEOPLE'S OFF. 
          ALL IN PAPER, SAY AYE. 
          OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13, DISCUSS, CONSIDER DOCK GUIDELINES FOR OFF DUTY WORK FOR PEACE OFFICERS. 
          CAUTION. 
          COUNTY COMMISSIONER CLARK ASKED THIS BE PLACED ON, I KNOW WE HAD IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, MAYBE LONGER THAN IT. 
          SO, UH, WHAT'S THE, UH, PLEASURE. 
          WELL, THIS WAS A COMMITTEE THAT WAS SET. 
          I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SHANG WAS ON IT. 
          THE SHERIFF GEORGE AND CONSTABLE STEVENS. 
          IS ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT TO COME UP WITH THIS POLICY? I'VE CIRCULATED AMONGST ALL THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT I KNOW THAT DO WITH, HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT IT. 
          WE DID. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THIS IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY AND UH, COURSE DOES NOT AFFECT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          IT'S JUST THE, I JUST WONDER LOOK THAT BEFORE WE APPROVE IT. 
          WELL, LET'S DO THIS. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT IF EVERYBODY'S WE'LL GO AND GET IT IN PLACE. 
          JUST ALRIGHT. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER, THIS IS ONE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. 
          I PUT ON THE WE TALK, AND THIS IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER TO RECOMMEND MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO REVIEW THE, UH, PAY AND COUNTY INVOICES. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF WE, THERE SHOULD BE A MORE EFFICIENT WAY FOR US TO SPEND OUR TIME RUNNING SIT FOR AN HOUR OR SO, BILLS. 
          AND, UH, SO I KNOW SOME OF THEM HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE WOULD NEED TO, UH, BE INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          AND SO, UH, KAREN, I'D LIKE YOU TO BE A, A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE. 
          SURE. 
          AND UH, AND I'M ON THE MAIN COMMITTEE, GET Y'ALL APPROVE IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, AND THEN TOM, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SERVE, KEN, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATION AND MAYBE THE CHARGE WOULD BE TO LOOK AT OTHER COUNTIES AS WELL AND SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE? UH, ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT YET OR ANYTHING? JACK, WOULD YOU I CAN DO THAT. 
          WOULD YOU BE ON THERE AS WELL? THAT'LL GIVE YOU GUYS THAT DEAL WITH THIS COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          I LIKE TO SAY MAKE, UH, OBSERVATION THAT POSSIBLY GET ON THE LIST, SIR AND SEE WHAT OAK COUNTIES ARE DOING. 
          YOU MIGHT GET SOME INFORMATION BACK ON, ON HOW, HOW THEY DO, AND KAREN, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AVAILABLE. 
          EITHER THE COMPUTER OR AN IPAD AND, 
          [01:35:01]
UH, EITHER ONE BE FINE. 
          SHE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING ON OUR IPAD BY RIGHT AFTERNOON OR YOU DECIDE TO GO, THEN IT'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND YOU KNOW, MORE TIME PERHAPS. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS COME BACK. 
          WILL IT BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID HERE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION, WE STILL DO THAT. 
          THE COURT YEAH. 
          FLAG JUST BE TO FLAG ON WHATEVER, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE IT WILL NEED TO BE MADE UP MATTER COURT RECORD. 
          IT'LL JUST KIND OF SPEED UP THE PROCESS. 
          NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SPEED, BUT PROBABLY GIVE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, KAREN CAN LOOK THAT UP. 
          WELL THAT'S MY QUESTION WAS IF, IF WE HAVE, SAY I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMMISSIONER'S BILL WITHOUT VIOLATING SOME TYPE OF OPEN MEETING AND SOME SOMETHING THAT WAY SHE, THAT INFORMATION SHE QUESTION. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE'LL HAVE TOM AND KEN AND KAREN AND JACK AND TOM. 
          UH, WOULD YOU BE THE CHAIRPERSON TODAY? YES SIR. 
          PAID JOB. 
          I'M SURE YOU APPRECIATE I WOULD BE GLAD TO MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK TO APPROVE THIS COMMITTEE AND COMMISSIONER ROSA ACCEPTANCE THAT MOTION FOR THE DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          ITEM NUMBER 15, UH, TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF BAYBANK. 
          PUT A WATER LINE IN THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY ON THE COUNTY ROAD 40 20 COUNTY PRECINCTS NUMBER FOUR TIME. 
          YES SIR. 
          I WAS CONTACTED BY THE, FROM THE CITY OF BAYBANK WATER DEPARTMENT TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          40 20 IS IN THE AREA, UH, JUST WEST OF MAYBANK ON HILL ACROSS FROM CEDAR CREEK. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THERE. 
          IT'S AN OLD SUB. 
          UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, IN PLACE IS NOT, BUT UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE ROAD IS ABOUT 22 FEET WIDE AND UH, THE RIGHT WAY IS SIX TO EIGHT FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF BIG OAK TREES AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU IN THE, IN THE, UH, LIKE ON THE PROPERTY OWNER'S SIDE OF IT. 
          WELL, MOST OF THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GETTING THEIR WATER FROM WELLS OUT THERE FOR YEAR TO YEAR AND YEARS. 
          WELL, UH, DUE TO THE POWERS OF WHATEVER HAPPENS TO WATER WELLS, AND I DUNNO EXPERT ABOUT ANY OF THE THREATS. 
          , ABOUT 80% OF THESE WATER WELLS ARE KIND BAD OUT THERE. 
          SUB CITY OF MAY BANK WANTS TO FURNISH SOME WATER. 
          THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT WAY TO GET IN INSIDE THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. 
          OF COURSE THEY, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DON'T WANT YOU IN HERE ANYWAY OR WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, ANYWAY, THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO GET ABOUT THAT FAR FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROAD AND BURY A WATER LINE FOUR FOOT, WHICH WON'T AFFECT ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY DOES FROM NOW BECAUSE I'M GONNA FIX THE ROAD DOWN THERE. 
          AS THEY GET ALL THIS STUFF DONE. 
          THEY WANT BURY A WATER LINE FOUR FOOT DEEP DOWN TO 40 19 AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TURN AND GO DOWN 40 19 AND THEN THEY'LL GO DOWN 40 AND TIE INTO THEIR OTHER LINE WHERE THEY'LL HAVE A LEG AROUND THERE. 
          AND, UH, I DIDN'T, OF COURSE FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES, I DIDN'T WANT GO IN THERE AND HAVE TO KILL ALL THOSE TREES AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BUNCH OF CONDEMNATION TO PROCURE THE, AND IF THEY MESS AROUND WITH THIS THING, IT'S GONNA BE JUST LIKE A CITY CAMP. 
          PEOPLE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY WATER OUT THERE. 
          SO, UH, I DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          THEY'VE DONE ALL, THEY'RE GONNA HANDLE ALL THE, THE DRIVEWAY CROSSINGS AND ALL THAT AND, UH, THEY'VE ALREADY CAUGHT THE LANDS. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PHONE LINES THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DUCK AND DIE. 
          BUT THAT'S ALL ON THEM, THE COUNTY. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'LL AFFECT ANYTHING WE DO 
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BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE SO HOW MANY FEET? FOUR FEET. 
          OH, LONG, LONG. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT, UH, ONE POINT, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 1.8. 
          THAT'S PRETTY GOOD LENGTH. 
          GET ALL THE WAY DOWN, DOWN. 
          SO I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION WITH GRANT COMMISSION. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST? THE CITY OF MAYBANK. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A OPPOSED? I'LL TELL YOU BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE IN HERE ABOUT AN HOUR AND HALF. 
          LET'S TAKE A BREAK, GO INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UH, THEN WE'LL CONCLUDE THE REST OF THE MEETING. 
          BREAK TO DO THAT. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER SHANE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          SO WE START OUR, ALRIGHT, UH, DISCUSSING ITEM NUMBER 17, UH, TO DISCUSS, UH, OR APPROVE GIVING COMMISSIONER ROSA AUTHORITY TO, TO REVIEW AND BID OR MAKE AN OFFER ON REAL USE. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? MOTION? I HAVE MOTION TO SECOND COMMISSIONER. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? SAY A DISCUSS LINE ITEM? YES, SIR. 
          YOU'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WOW. 
          I DID, I LOOKED AT IT JUST BEFORE I CAME OVER THIS POINT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WAS ON THE THIRD PARTY AND AT THE TOP, THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE CHILD'S SAFETY FEE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S THEIR, UH, DOLLAR AND A HALF THAT THEY, THEIR LICENSE PLATE THAT GOES TO THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOLS CAN HAVE, I BELIEVE, BROKEN DOWN BY SEVERAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN CHILD ADVOCACY CENTER. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE CHILD SHELTER? THE CHILD SHELTER. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST THAT MONEY WAS RECEIVING INTO A REVENUE LINE ITEM, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO, THEY WERE CUTTING CHECKS AGAINST THAT REVENUE TO DISTRIBUTE THAT MONEY. 
          AND THAT'S A NO NOTE. 
          AND I FOUND THAT OUT WHEN I STARTED. 
          I, IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON MY REVENUE REPORTS, I ALWAYS HAD A NEGATIVE IN THAT REVENUE. 
          AND I SAID RESEARCHING AND THAT'S WHAT I FOUND. 
          YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CUT A CHECK AGAINST THE REVENUE. 
          IF TOM COMES AND I'M A CLERK AND HE'S PAYING A FEE TO ME TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, I CHARGE HIM. 
          BUT MAYBE I CHARGE YOU $5 TOO MUCH AND I DON'T CATCH IT TILL LATER. 
          IT WOULD BE OKAY TO WRITE HIM A $5 REFUND AGAINST THAT REVENUE LINE ITEM BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY EARN THAT REVENUE. 
          I OVERCHARGED IT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE FIXING TO DISTRIBUTE MONEY TO OTHER ENTITIES, YOU DON'T CUT IT AGAINST A REVENUE LINE ITEM. 
          SO I HAD TO SET UP A SEPARATE LINE ITEM TO COVER THOSE EXPENSES. 
          BUT THE, AND MOVE THEM THEM ALL THERE. 
          BUT THE REVENUE OFFSETS THAT. 
          YES SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT A, NOT A BIG YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE FIXING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH 101,000. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS EVERY QUARTER WE'LL ADJUST THE REVENUE FOR TO THE EXPENDITURE SO IT MATCHES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO PLAY A CATCH UP TO GET THIS CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES TOTAL, THAT ONE HAD WAS ON THE SECOND ONE THERE ON THE VENUS INITIATIVE, WE INCREASED IT FROM 95,000 TO 1 35. 
          YES SIR. 
          IS THAT WHERE WE UNDER, UH, UNDER BUDGET? WE UNDER BUDGET BECAUSE, UH, I FINALLY GOT A COPY OF THE CONTRACT IN REDDIT AND YOU MADE A 20 YEAR TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENT WITH AUTOZONE, VENUS INITIATIVE AND WE'RE IN THE LAST YEAR WHERE WE GIVE THEM 70% OF THEIR TAX MONEY BACK NEXT YEAR. 
          WE'LL DROP TO 50 FOR THE NEXT, I MEAN 60% FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. 
          AND THEN FOR THE REST OF THE UP TO THE 20 YEAR, YOU'LL GO ONLY 50%. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE WASN'T ENOUGH BUDGET TO, TO COVER THAT. 
          SO NEXT YEAR, THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED, UH, WELL NEXT, THIS COMING YEAR 14, 
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THAT MY AMOUNT WILL DROP TO, TO 60, WELL, WE'LL TAKE IN 60% OF WHAT THEY PAY, BUT THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL 40,000. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? WELL, I'M GOT, I'VE GOT IT SET OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND I'LL, AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT. 
          UH, THE THIRD LINE ITEM IS THE AUTOMATED TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM. 
          AND I TOLD YOU I HELPED PAY FOR THAT. 
          WELL, Y'ALL PROVED IT AND NEVER TOLD ME WHAT YOU HELPED PAY ME. 
          HELPED ME PAY IT WITH, SO I'M PAYING FOR, FOR MOST OF IT AND I HAD TO FIND SOME MONEY FROM SOME OTHER LINE ITEMS TO COVER THAT. 
          36. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, YOU'LL SEE THE NEXT SLIDE ITEM. 
          THE FOURTH IS WHERE I'M INCREASING THE CHILD SAFETY REVENUE, UH, TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THAT 87,000 CAME WHEN WE DID BOND ISSUE FOR THE 1.4 MILLION ON THE ATTACK. 
          9 1 1 MISSION CRITICAL. 
          Y'ALL REMEMBER DOING THAT, RIGHT? THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS I WAS APPROVED BY THEM TO GO BACK SEVEN MONTHS PRIOR TO MAY OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND TAKE ANYTHING Y'ALL HAD SPENT ON THAT ARMORY BACK. 
          SO WITHOUT LETTING YOU KNOW IT, THE JUDGE KNEW IT. 
          I KEPT IT A SECRET THAT WE HAD THAT EXTRA 87,000 SITTING THERE. 
          'CAUSE I KNEW WE WERE GONNA COME RUNNING SHARP FOR SOMETHING AND I WAS GONNA NEED THE MONEY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION DO THAT WITH, I THINK WE ALREADY PASSED MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          THAT WAS APPROVED BECAUSE I HAD TO SEND THEM PROOF THAT WE HAD SPENT THAT 87 AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, THE, UH, BOND. 
          GOSH. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THEN I TOOK 28,000 FOR MY FINANCIAL SOFTWARE TO HELP PAY FOR THE TIMEKEEPING. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT RENTING THE JACKSON BUILDING FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER. 
          WE HAVEN'T RENT WROTE THEM THE CHECK YET. 
          BUT I HAD SET ASIDE THE MONEY TO PAY THE RENT 3000 A MONTH, 3,600 A MONTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY THAT RENT. 
          SO I'VE GOT THAT 9,000 SITTING THERE. 
          THEN I HAD MONEY LEFT IN THE CONTINGENCY OF 21,000 185 19. 
          THAT CONTINGENCY WAS SET IN THERE FOR THE LUMP SUM PAYMENTS, THE SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE RETIREMENT WHEN WE DID THAT. 
          SO I HAD THAT EXTRA SITTING THERE IN CONTINGENCY AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING TO USE SO I CAN COVER ALL THIS EXTRA STUFF I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR A TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM. 
          WE JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, SO THEN WE GET KNOW VENUS INITIATIVE, THEIR INVENTORY WAS GONNA GIVE US SO MUCH REVENUE. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASED OFF OF. 
          PART OF IT'S BASED, THE AUTO ZONE IS BASED ON THEIR PROPERTY VALUE AND THEIR IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE VENUS IS THE PROPERTY, THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER, PLUS THEIR INVENTORY THAT THEY CARRY THERE. 
          SO SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH REVENUE WE'RE GONNA BRING IN. 
          THAT'S THE BIG AUTOZONE WAREHOUSE. 
          YES. 
          YES SIR. 
          THEY'RE IN TAR. 
          LEMME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION ON OUR AUTOMATIC, UH, AUTOMATED TIME. 
          IS, IS THAT COMPUTER BEING PUT IN THE JAIL? WHY WOULDN'T IT PUT IN HERE IN UH, IN THE OFFICE HERE WITH THE, THE LADIES HERE AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO THE JAIL, SIR. 
          THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S TO COVER. 
          THEY PUT THE NEW ONE IN OUT THERE AND I WAS, UH, WHENEVER, UH, BEAVERS WAS SHOWING US AROUND THE OTHER DAY ON OUR WALK AROUND, UH, SAID THAT THIS WAS FOR OUR NEW, UH, TIMEKEEPING. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVERYBODY THAT IS GONNA GET ONE WHEN Y'ALL APPROVE THAT CONTRACT, IT SHOWED YOU THE NUMBER OF CLOCKS THAT WE WERE BUYING YOU SENT. 
          BUT THOUGHT COMPUTER SYSTEM, I THOUGHT THEY PUT THE BIG BOX. 
          WHERE'S THE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO A QUESTION. 
          IT I WOULD, I WOULD NOT KNOW THAT ANSWER FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I I YOU THEY MADE BELIEVE THAT ALL SYSTEM, THAT MIGHT BE THE SERVER THAT'S GONNA CONTROL THAT COMMISSIONER SHANE. 
          AND THEN Y'ALL EITHER GET ON YOUR COMPUTER OR YOU GET THE TIME CLOCK. 
          UH, Y'ALL DISAPPROVED THIS CONTRACT LAST MONTH AND UH, JACK REVIEWED IT SEVERAL TIMES 'CAUSE IT COMES OUT RIGHT UNDER $49,000. 
          THIS IS THE INITIAL PAYMENT TO BUY THE EQUIPMENT. 
          WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE SERVER IN UP HERE, HERE, RIGHT HERE. 
          CLOSE TO EVERYTHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
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I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. 
          WE CAN, WE I CAN EMAIL GEORGE AND ASK HIM TO EMAIL ALL FIVE OF YOU AND EXPLAIN THAT I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT. 
          BE OVER HERE THAN I I THINK A LOT OF OUR COMPUTER HARDWARE IS AT JAIL WHERE THEY HAVE A ROOM THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AIR CONDITIONER. 
          IT, IT HAS TO BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S JUST LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO TALK TO Y'ALL ABOUT SECURING THIS COURTHOUSE. 
          YOU HAVE THE IT DEPARTMENT HERE WITH EQUIPMENT IN IT WITH A WINDOW UNIT IN IT THAT THAT WINDOW UNIT CAN BE TAKEN OUT AND SOMEBODY CAN CRAWL THROUGH AND WIPE US OUT. 
          THAT'S ONE OF HIS CONCERNS. 
          HE'S TRYING TO SECURE EVERYTHING WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT TO US. 
          SO I'LL, ILL TALK TO GEORGE AND GET THE ANSWER EITHER EMAIL THE FIVE OF Y'ALL OR I'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOW GEORGE GETS GETS WAY UP HERE. 
          SO I'LL TRY TO TELL HIM TO MAKE IT SIMPLE SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S BEING DONE. 
          I JUST WAS CURIOUS THAT SHERIFF'S OFFICE OUT HERE, WELL YOU THINK ABOUT THOUGH, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST SECURE PLACES FOR IT TO BE COMMISSIONER, BUT I'LL GET HIM TO EXPLAIN THAT PART TO Y'ALL SO Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THE WORKINGS ARE AND WHY WE'RE DOING, WHY HE'S DOING IT A CERTAIN WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ON THESE BIG LINES? YES. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR IT BEING SO CONFUSING, BUT I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY IN ONE BIG LINE ITEM THIS TO TAKE AWAY FROM IT AND DEPLETE IT. 
          I HAD TO GO FIND THIS AND IT'D PROBABLY BE BEST IF YOU TELL EVERYBODY IN Y'S PRECINCT TO TIGHTEN IT WITHOUT SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING SHARP. 
          WE GO, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE BUDGET. 
          I'M GONNA WARN YOU AHEAD OF TIME. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE BUDGET UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS BECAUSE WE, WE CUT THIS BUDGET REAL CLOSE AND JUST LIKE YOU ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, WHY ARE WE TRANSFERRING MONEY WHEN THEY HAVE MONEY? BECAUSE THINGS ARE COMING UP THAT WE HAD NO IDEA WAS FIXING HAPPENING. 
          YOU KNOW? AND THE JUDGE AND I, I'VE GOT THE BUDGET SHEETS READY, WE'VE BEEN TALKING, HE'S HAD OTHER THINGS THAT WERE MORE PRIORITY OF TAKING CARE OF THE SAFETY OF THIS COUNTY AND THE CITIZENS AND EMPLOYEES. 
          SO HE AND I ARE GONNA WORK CLOSELY ON THIS BUDGET. 
          BEFORE YOU EVEN LOOK AT IT, UH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO SOME THINGS DIFFERENT. 
          UM, YOUR SUGGESTIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA ASK YOU FOR $39,000 IN A LINE ITEM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT 30,009,000 IS GONNA BUY AND YOU COULD GET MORE OF A DETAIL CONTROL ON THE BUDGET AND JUST SAYING, OKAY, I WANT GIVE YOU 50,000. 
          YOU SPEND IT LIKE YOU WANNA, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU APPROVE THAT BUDGET AND IT'S IN THOSE LINE ITEMS, THAT'S WHY THEY CAN GO THROUGH IT AS LONG AS IS IT FOR LEGITIMATE BUSINESS? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE WE REVIEW THE INVOICES AND THE PURCHASE ORDERS, BUT SOME OF THAT STUFF WE CAN'T CONTROL ONCE Y'ALL AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE ALL GONNA BE DILIGENT ABOUT NOT GETTING BACK IN SHAPE. 
          WE WERE IN, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. 
          AND I COMMEND YOU FOR MAKING THE CHANGES AND WRITING NEW POLICIES. 
          THAT HELPS. 
          YEAH. 
          GET THIS STUFF DONE BECAUSE THEN IF WE HAVE THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON, IT HELPS US HELP YOU TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY SO MUCH ARE THEY BUYING TOO MANY PENCILS OR THEY BUYING REAL BIG BLOCK PENS INSTEAD OF THE BIG PENS. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          AND HELPING JACK TO FIND NO WE HAVEN'T JUST  JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, JACK HAD THAT MANUAL FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT THE MAN OFFICE SUPPLIES AND Y'ALL PROVE THAT. 
          WELL THEN HE DISTRIBUTE THAT AND EVERYBODY KNOWS, WELL WE CAN'T BUY THESE 50 PENS, WE GOTTA BUY THE FIVE PENS. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT HELPS DO THAT AND THEN Y'ALL GET A BETTER COMFORT LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          PURCHASING AGENT'S GOT THIS UNDER CONTROL, HE'S ISSUING PO, WE GOT IT IN BUDGET. 
          AUDITOR'S WATCHING IT, PAYING THE BILLS, SO GONNA BE OKAY. 
          IT'S THESE LITTLE SURPRISES THAT COME UP THAT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE MANY BUDGET FOR IT, SO WE GOTTA FIND IT SOMEWHERE. 
          THE GOOD, THE GOOD PART THAT BUDGET. 
          SO WE'VE STILL GOT, WE'VE GOT MUCH WE CAN DO AS FAR AS WHAT WE NOW AND YOU KNOW, YEARS. 
          WE'VE SIX MONTHS. 
          SEE WE'RE, AND THE OTHER THING, UH, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE OUTSIDE AUDITOR ABOUT IT? NO, 
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BUT I WAS GONNA REMIND Y'ALL OF THAT. 
          YOU'LL REMEMBER JACK WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ENCUMBERED 70 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THAT NEW WASHER AT THE JAIL. 
          DISHWASHER, THE STERILIZES, THEY'RE STUCK. 
          AND I MOVED THE MONEY FROM ANOTHER LINE ITEM TO COVER IT AND THEN THE INVOICE CAME IN FIVE MONTHS AFTER THE CLOSE OF THE BUDGET YEAR, THAT FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THEY WOULD NOT LET ME LOOK BACK, BACK INTO 2012. 
          SO I HAD TO HIT THIS NEW BUDGET FOR THAT 87, $80,000 TO COVER THAT. 
          SO THAT DIDN'T COME OUTTA THE JAIL FUND OR THES IT CAME OUT OF THEIR LINE ITEM. 
          YES, BUT I HAD TO MOVE MONEY FROM ANOTHER LINE ITEM TO GET IT COVERED. 
          THE, UH, THE AUDITOR DID SEND THE OUTSIDE AUDITOR DID SEND ME A, UH, KIND OF A, JUST AN IDEA THAT I THINK OUR FUND BALANCE FROM THE OLD LAST YEAR IS GONNA GO UP AROUND 200 WHAT'S INDICATED AND WE, WE KIND OF ESTIMATED THAT REMEMBER? YEAH, RIGHT. 
          WE WERE CLOSE. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T AS MUCH AS IT WAS YEAR BEFORE BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL GOING UP AND WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO IT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE NEED, WE NEED PROBABLY 4 MILLION IN BANK ONE TIME, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE ALONG? FIND ITEM TRANSFER. 
          THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THIS. 
          REPAIRING THE COUNTY PROPERTY TO MISS. 
          I'M CLEAN, I'VE GOT IT ON MY DESK. 
          I WENT THROUGH, UM, THE FULL YEAR AND ONES THAT ARE REMOVED AND SOME 'EM WERE THAT PRECINCT ONES, SOME OF 'EM THAT PRECINCT THREE AND ONE THAT YOU HAD CALLED ON THE COURTHOUSE, THE BATHROOM THING FOR A CREEK. 
          BUT Y'ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHEN IT COMES TO THAT REPAIRS TO COUNTY PROPERTY, THE ROAD BRIDGE IS PART OF THE COUNTY. 
          Y'ALL NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY PER SE, BUT THIS COUNTY JUDGE APPROVES WHAT'S SCAN OUT THAT LINE ITEM AND I HAVE TO MOVE THE THINGS WHEN IT GETS THERE AND PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SIGN OFF ON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DON'T WANT Y'ALL UPSET BECAUSE THAT I HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY UNTIL HE TELLS ME YEAH, IT'S OKAY. 
          'CAUSE WHEN HE AND I DID THE BUDGET, HE SAID, WELL WE DON'T HAVE THIS MUCH TO MOVE ON THE ARMORY. 
          WE, WE GOT SOME MORE TO DO ON I THINK 3D HAD SOME MECHANICAL STUFF TO DO TO THE AIR CONDITIONING AND STUFF. 
          UH, AND SO WE NEED TO UP THAT AIR CONDITIONER BUT ON, ON REPAIRS ON COUNTY PROPERTY, LET'S PUT IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          LET'S TAKE IT DOWN. 
          I THINK IT'S WHAT, 20, $30,000 THAT HE REDUCED THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO WATCH THAT LINE ITEM REAL CLOSE SO IT DOESN'T GO OVER BECAUSE LIKE JUVENILE PROBATION, THERE'S A STATE FUNDS PLUS COUNTY FUNDS, BUT SHE HAS NO REPAIRS AND SHE NEEDED WHAT A SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DOOR HAD BROKE OR SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO BE REPLACED. 
          WE HAD TO TAKE THAT LITTLE BIT. 
          SHE NEEDED OUT THE GENERAL. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PLEASE LET THE JUDGE APPROVE IT. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO USE THAT LINE, OTHERWISE I'M GONNA MOVE IT TO YOUR BUDGET. 
          LIKE . 
          YEAH, THE ROAD SIGNS. 
          I'VE GOT THAT CLEANED UP AND IF IT WAS A ROAD SIGN, IT'S CHARGED TO THAT. 
          IF IT'S NOT, IT'S BEING MOVED TO A NEW LINE ITEM IN YOUR BUDGET. 
          IT'S GONNA BE CALLED ROAD SIGN AND POST SUPPLIES. 
          AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'LL PUT YOU SOME EXTRA MONEY IN THERE TO COVER YOUR ROAD SIGNS IN YOUR POST AND YOUR BARRICADES AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. 
          BACK ON THE MAINTENANCE STUFF, WHEN OUR, WHEN OUR TWO GUYS, PAUL AND BOBBY, WHEN THEY COME TO DO SOMETHING, LABOR'S NOT CHARGED BRIDGE THE SUPPLIES THEY GET, YOU KNOW, CHARGED ITEM LIKE A $10,000 PLUS ABOUT 10,000 CHARGES TO, UH, REPAIR COUNTY PROPERTY WOULD'VE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID FOR OUT OF A COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND AS OPPOSED TO GENERAL FUND. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOT THOSE MARKED SO I CAN GET THOSE CORRECTIONS I JUST HAD DONE BY FRIDAY BECAUSE SHE CALLED ME AT 4 25 JUST TO SEE IF I'M STILL AT WORK. 
          WELL IF YOU SENT TO ME 4, 4 15, I'D HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO RESEARCH  ALL LET'S, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER? NOT A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT AS PRESENTED. 
          SO MAY MOTION. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER ROSA. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          ITEM NUMBER 19, DISCUSS, CONSIDER CLAIM FOR PAPER. 
          I HAVE, I HAVE FIVE CLAIM REGISTERS AMOUNTING TO $879,489 AND 86 CENTS. 
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I BEG PARDON? DON'T NO SIR. 
          IT UM, I SPLIT THEM SO THEY.
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