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           EXCUSE ME. 
          WE'RE READY. 
          THIS IS A WORKSHOP, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          I GUESS I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM WRITING, BUT IN THE WORKSHOP YOU HAD TO WEAR A TIE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, ITEMS THAT I'D LIKE TO, TO MOVE UP, UH, ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND, UH, UH, THIS IS A WORKSHOP MEETING AND PRIMARILY WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, UH, THINGS, BUT IT ALL IS ALSO A, A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          SO, UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE, UH, ACTION ON, BUT IT DOES, IT'S LIKE A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE COURT OF FISHER'S COURT. 
          SO, UH, FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS THESE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FROM TR VALLEY ELECTRIC CO-OP, UH, ARE HERE TO DISCUSS WITH US THEIR PLAN TO, UH, UH, ASSIST KAUFMAN COUNTY ON THE, UH, CLEARING VEGETATION FOR RIGHT OF WAYS. 
          COMMISSIONER LIK I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT AND YES. 
          SO WE, UH, IS THERE SOMEONE HERE FROM TRINITY VALLEY? UH, WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO COME UP AND JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT WE PROMOTE WITH, SIR? I'M GREG TREADWELL, UH, RIGHT AWAY, OR CONTRACTOR COORDINATOR. 
          THIS IS STEVE. 
          ALL, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET ON OUR FIVE TO SIX ON OUR TREE TRIMMING TO HELP THE RIGHT RELIABILITY OF THE SERVICE AND SUCH. 
          AND A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE IS OUTSIDE ON THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY, WHETHER IT BE THE SMALL TREES, BIG TREES, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO MR.  ABOUT WORKING WITH ALL OF Y'ALL, TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT TO WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THIS STUFF IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WILL BENEFIT Y'ALL AS WELL AS US TO TAKE IT DOWN. 
          UH, BIG TREES IN FRONT OF HOUSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH, WE WANT TO TRIM AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, BUT ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP CLEAR YOUR DITCHES ALONG WITH THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. 
          UH, SMALLER STUFF, WE CAN CHIP IT, UH, OR MOW WITH THE MOWER TO GET IT CLEANED UP TO BE WOOD. 
          WE WOULD PREFER TO BE ABLE TO STACK IT UP AGAINST THE FENCE, POSSIBLY WORK WITH Y'ALL ON, YOU KNOW, DISPOSING OF IT. 
          UH, AND IF WE HAD SOMETHING IN QUESTION TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH ONE OF Y'ALL OR ONE OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN PERSON TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE, WE JUST REALLY UPSET OUR MEMBERS AS WELL AS COFFMAN COUNTY RECORDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          CAN WE GET A LETTER? I DUNNO IF Y'ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER. 
          YES. 
          WELL WE'VE HAD, YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT STAGGERING BIG WOOD UP AGAINST THE FENCE. 
          WE'VE HAD REALLY GOOD LUCK, UH, LEAVING. 
          WHAT WE DO IS WHEN WE GO OUT AND CUT IT, WE CUT IT UP IN THE TWO BOOT LENGTHS, PILE IT UP BY THE FENCE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY STAGGER, WE PILE IT UP AND, AND GENERALLY, UH, ABOUT ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO 10 DAYS LATER, SOMEBODY WOULD GO BACK TO THE SITE IF IT'S NOT CLEANED UP COMPLETELY. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL LEAVE IT BIG HACKBERRY THAT'S THAT BIG. 
          WE JUST GO BACK, PICK IT UP AND GET RID OF IT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. 
          I FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW IT. 
          OF COURSE IT, IT, IT SAVES FUEL AND SAVES FREIGHT AND SAVES TIME AND LABOR. 
          UH, AND, AND THE, IT BENEFITS THE CITIZENS. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, WHOEVER COMES DOWN AND PICKS IT UP, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          ME, I DON'T DUNNO, ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT OR NOT, BUT IT'S WORKED REALLY WELL FOR US. 
          BUT WE DO GO BACK AND FOLLOW UP AND PICK IT UP AND WE'D BE GLAD TO, IF Y'ALL ARE GOING TO CUT IT, CUT IT AND PILE IT OR YOUR CONTRACTOR'S GONNA CUT IT AND PILE IT, WELL, WE'D BE GLAD TO GO BACK AND CHECK IT, YOU KNOW, EIGHT OR 10 DAYS LATER AND ANYTHING'S LEFT. 
          BUT WE'D PICK IT UP AND GET RID OF. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE REALLY GOOD LOADS THERE. 
          I SAY THE BIGGER ONES GENERALLY DON'T MESS WITH. 
          AND IN THE SAME WITH GEORGIA, Y'ALL HAVE A TREE THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THAT MAY BE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT HITTING THE LINES OR SOMETHING. 
          YOU CAN CONTACT US, WE CAN GET A CREW OUT THERE TO GET A CUT BELOW THE LINE SO YOU CAN SAFELY TAKE IT DOWN. 
          UH, BECAUSE IT'S A DANGEROUS THING. 
          WE DON'T WANT NOBODY TO GET HURT THAT USED TO WORKING WITH IT AND YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY OUT HERE. 
          JUST MAKE IT EASY FOR ALL THOSE. 
          JOHN, WOULD YOU FEEL WILLING TO WRITE SOMETHING UP THAT WOULD BE LEGAL TO, FOR BOTH PARTIES? I GUESS WE NEED TO RUN IT THROUGH COURT, COURT SIGN THE LEGAL AGREEMENT IN CASE, UH, THERE, I GUESS SOMEBODY WAS INJURED OR, OR SOMETHING. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK, WE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD. 
          UM, WHAT IS THE FEE THAT THEY'RE CHARGING? NO, NO CHARGE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE GREAT BENEFIT. 
          THEY'VE BEEN JUST CUTTING THE TOP SIDE OF THE TREES TO, WHAT DO Y'ALL HAVE TO MAINTAIN A 14 FOOT? WE TRY TO GET 10 TO 12 FOOT BELOW THE, THE NEUTRAL AND ABOUT 10 TO 15 FOOT WIDE. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN TOPPING THESE TREES AND, AND OF COURSE THAT LEAVES, YOU KNOW, A BIG, BIG, 
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UM, ARRAY OF, OF LIMBS STILL HANGING OUT OVER THE COUNTY ROADS AND, AND THEY'RE AGREE TO CUT 'EM DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND. 
          EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE, THE COUNTY RIGHT OF AWAY FROM THE FENCE TO THE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA SAVE US HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THEY DO THAT, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE GONNA CHIP THE SMALL STUFF AND REMOVE IT AND THEN HELP 'EM REMOVE THE BIGGER STUFF AND CITIZENS DON'T PICK IT UP AND UH, AT THE SAME TIME THEN WE CAN MOW IT AND MAINTAIN IT WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          SO IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT FOR US UP FRONT. 
          IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THEM IN THE LONG RUN. 
          UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REPEATEDLY, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          DON'T SAY CUT IT DOWN, WE THEN WE'LL HELP MAINTAIN THE, THE REGROWTH AND SAY WITH THAT ANYTHING OVER FOUR INCHES ROUND WE'RE SPRAYING WITH, UH, GONE TO PREVENT THE REGROWTH OF IT. 
          NOW WE GOING TO ALWAYS GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. 
          WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE FENCES IF THE FENCES ARE BAD, YOU KNOW, SAME WAY Y'ALL DO. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE DEAL. 
          BUT IF WE DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT, WE'LL GIVE AHOLD OF WHOEVER'S IN COURT. 
          YEAH. 
          Y'ALL CONTACT THE COMMISSIONERS AND THAT WAY WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA CAUSE NO MORE WORK FOR Y'ALL  OR US EITHER. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DO GET UPSET ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EITHER THOSE JUNK LIKE THAT. 
          WE JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IN CASE WE DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          RUN INTO SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND WE GOT SOMEBODY THAT CAN HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT Y'ALL CAN CONTACT THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE YOU START DOWN A ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'LL DISCUSS THE, THE FRONTAGE IN FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND, AND THE OTHER, WE DO MAIL OUTS AND, AND UH, AND THE PHONE CALLS, YOU KNOW, IN THE AREA BEFORE IN, AND WE PLAN A TWO YEAR PLAN AND WE MAY BE ABLE GIVE IT OUR BOSS, CHRIS YOU TALKED TO AND GIVE Y'ALL AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH Y'ALLS COUNTY. 
          SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING UP THAT YOU KNOW, HEY, WELL THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE, LET'S HOLD OFF ON THAT TREE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE SOON AND WE STAY PRETTY CLOSE TO IT. 
          UH, DEPENDING WHAT THE WEATHER DOES, I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT BENEFIT FOR BOTH PARTIES. 
          WAS ENCORE AND UH, FARMERS ELECTRICS, WEREN'T THEY HERE AT ONE TIME TALKING WITH US? THEY WERE, BUT I, I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO GET HOLD UP WEREN'T THEY? AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET, WELL WE HAD A CONVERSATION GOING. 
          WE HAD A A YEAH. 
          EMPLOYEE GETTING DECEASED TODAY. 
          THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, THE FUNERAL WAS THAT DAY AND THEN IT JUST, THEY NEVER COULD MEET BACK UP TOGETHER AND MAKE IT ALL WORK OUT. 
          AM I WRITING THAT? MAYBE THEY COULD PIGGYBACK ON THIS AGREEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ONCE WE DO A AGREEABLE YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IT SAVES THEM SO MUCH MONEY AND MAINTENANCE SPEEDS AND THINGS AND SO THEY CAN PASS THE SAVINGS BACK TO THE CUSTOMERS. 
          AND SO THIS IS A GOOD SITUATION FOR EVERYBODY. 
          CINDY HAD QUITE A FEW ISSUES WITH IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, PEOPLE WERE RAISED WE'RE USED TO THAT . 
          I MEAN WE CAN CAN YOU TELL US WHAT LEGAL RIGHT WAY ON NORMALLY HAVE UNDER THESE? UH, GENERALLY WHAT WE HAVE IS A 30 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, UH, 15 FOOT FROM THE CENTER POLE OUT. 
          UH, MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T GET THE FULL 30 FOOT BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE'S TREES, GRANDPARENTS, WHATEVER, THE PLANT ON FRONT OF HOUSES, WE DON'T GET MUCH NOW ON THE FENCE ROAD, WE TRY TO GET ALL WE CAN GET. 
          UH, WE TAKE SOME BUTT TO 'EM, SOMETIMES WE CUT MORE THAN WE SHOULD. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE EASEMENTS ON PER SE, EASEMENTS ON EVERYTHING LEGALLY CUT DOWN. 
          LEGALLY WE PUT SQUAT DOWN TO THE GROUND AND THERE'S NOTHING ANYBODY COULD DO ABOUT IT. 
          BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE MEMBERS SURE. 
          IT'S LIKE Y'ALL, WE DON'T WANT TO GET EVERYBODY UPSET BECAUSE THEY WILL PROTEST YOU TO THE END. 
          WE WANNA WORK WITH THEM. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          DOES YOUR GENERAL MANAGER JERRY BOWLES EVER GO OUT AND PARTICIPATE? WOULD YOU, UH, GO BACK AND DISCUSS WITH HIM THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTRIBUTING THE, JUST TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS IT COMING FROM YOU THAN IT DOES US . 
          IT MIGHT BE WORTH TRYING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE COUNTIES LIKE, YOU KNOW, AROUND NY WHERE YOU'RE AT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT. 
          UH, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGER ONES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, OURS IS TERRIBLE'S GOING. 
          I MEAN THERE'S GONNA BE SOME THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HANDLE SO MUCH. 
          THE PHONY ACT, WHICH I LIVE IN PONY, YOU HAVE TO HANDLE 'EM TOTALLY DIFFERENT WITH KID GLOVES BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MANY TREES OUT THERE. 
          AND EVERY TREE THEY HAVE IS A MILLION DOLLAR TREE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, I DON'T WANT YOU TO CUT ANY TREES AROUND OVER THERE UNLESS YOU COME BY. 
          WE, WE GET WRITTEN PERMISSION TO CUT IT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S UH, THEIR TREE UNTIL IT FALLS ON THE ROAD, THEN IT'S OUR TREE. 
          OR WHEN IT FALLS ON YOUR LINE, THEN IT'S YOUR TREE. 
          RIGHT? YES. 
          AND WHEN WE SHUT STUFF DOWN, EVEN OUR CONTRACTORS WILL GET THEM TO SIGN A RELEASE LETTING US, GIVING US PERMISSION TO GO ON THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL AS CUT THE TREE, WHICH TAKES ANY LIABILITY AWAY FROM THEM. 
          IF WE DAMAGE FENCES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          OUR CONTRACTORS ARE REALLY QUICK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT BECAUSE HERE'S COMMISSIONERS SAID IT WAS OKAY WHEN ACCESS PROBLEM. 
          SO THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. 
          WE HAVE SO MANY MILES, IT'S 
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JUST PASTURE AND YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE THE STUFF DOWN. 
          'CAUSE LIKE I SAY, IT CONTINUALLY FALLS ON THEIR MISSES. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN GENERALLY THE DROUGHT'S KILLING SO MANY TREES, THEY'RE JUST FALLING EVERYWHERE. 
          WHEN YOUR, WHEN YOUR UH, CONTRACTORS CUT THOSE TREES DOWN, IS THERE ANY SPECIFICATION AS TO HOW FAR THE STUMPS WE TELL 'EM AS LOW TO THE GROUND AS THEY CAN GET WITHOUT PUTTING IT INTO DIRT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE GO BACK AND INSPECT EVERY BIT OF OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IF THEY'RE CUTTING SOMETHING OFF IN A DITCH AND THEY LEAVE, THEY LEAVE A STUMP THAT TALL, THEY CAN TEAR UP THE MOLD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND THAT'S ONE BEEN ONE OF OUR, SINCE WE'VE REALLY GOT ON THIS INSPECT, WE INSPECT THEM ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DAYS A WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE LOOK AT THE CUT DOWN, WE WANT 'EM AS LOW AS THE GROUND AS POSSIBLE. 
          THAT WAY ANYBODY CAN MOW. 
          IF YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN IT, YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. 
          PUT THE DARN ON IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE GUIDELINES. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          WELL, I WAS GONNA JUST ASK WHO IS THE GENERAL COUNSEL MAYBE IS IT, UH, WHO'S THE ATTORNEY THAT, UH, MOST JOHN LOGAN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL WE CAN GET JOHN MAYBE IN TOUCH WITH OKAY. 
          OUR JOHN, BECAUSE I, I KNOW WHATEVER Y'ALL DRAW UP, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S OKAY. 
          AND THAT LETTER WAS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL, HERE'S SOME INFORMATION WE WOULD GO WITH. 
          UH, THAT WAY IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES Y'ALL SEE THAT NEED TO BE DONE, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S KIND OF WIDE OPEN JUST GIVING THE INS AND OUTS OF EVERYWHERE. 
          SO SOME OF IT MAY NEED TO BE MORE NAILED DOWN THAN WHAT IT IS. 
          I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAID TO DO THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          CAN WE GET A COPY OF THIS GUIDELINE? UH, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, I'M SURE WE'LL GET YOU ONE THE AND GET IT TO, WE CAN IT TO YOU AND GET OUT AT THE TIME. 
          I'D LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY MY BUSINESS CALLS FROM EACH OF Y'ALL WE OUT, YOU KNOW, AND STUFF LIKE THAT SO THAT WE DO HAVE CONTACTS. 
          SURE. 
          I USED TO HAVE 'EM ALL AND EVERYBODY'S CHANGED AND I HADN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH EVERYBODY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE. 
          OKAY, APPRECIATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT IS TO DISCUSS THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION AND REGISTRATION FEES. 
          RAY, I BELIEVE YOU, UH, HAVE, UH, UH, THIS ON THE AGENDA. 
          YEAH. 
          SINCE WE, UH, THIS IS TED UGG AND I'M SORRY, SECOND PRESS, YOUR HONOR, FROM, UH, COPY ASSOCIATES , WHICH I DO, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS WE PUT ON BOARD FOR OUR SUBDIVISION AND LOOKING AT OUR, UH, OLD RATES THAT WERE DONE 10 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER, THEIR AVERAGE RATES ARE GONNA BE QUITE A BIT HIGHER EVEN THOUGH THIS, THEY WERE DOING THE SAME THING. 
          I MEAN, TED OLD FIRM, BUT PRICES GONE UP. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T WANT US TO STILL CHARGE, YOU KNOW, 19 9 5 PRICES FOR 2013 WORK OR SO. 
          ASK THEM TO KIND OF LOOK AND SEE WHAT, WHAT DO OUR FEES NEED TO BE. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT SOME LITTLE RESEARCH ON THAT. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER THE CALL FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK. 
          UH, I EXPRESS SOME CONCERN THAT THE FEES THAT ARE, UH, CURRENTLY OUTLINED WITH THE COUNTY MAY BE INADEQUATE. 
          UH, JENNY  IS ONE OF OUR PROJECT MANAGERS. 
          SHE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH SITE DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEWING PLANS SO THAT SHE DOES THIS WITH SEVERAL COMMUNITIES. 
          SO JENNY PULLED THE GOING RATES FOR SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES AND COMMUNITIES JUST SO YOU HAVE A, A COMPARISON. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE SECOND, THE SECOND SHEET 1117. 
          AND THEN BASED OFF THE REVIEWS THAT WE DO, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD GUT FEEL OF HOW MANY HOURS IT TAKES. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST SHEET IS WHERE IT'S BROKEN DOWN AND TAKE IT. 
          BUT COME UP WITH SOME PROPOSED FEES AND A BREAKDOWN THAT, UH, WE THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND DISCUSSED. 
          SURE. 
          UM, BASED OFF OF, BASED, UH, OF OUR HOURLY RATE, WE DID A BREAKDOWN ON THE FIRST PAGE AND THE, THE, THE LONGER BOX OF HOWEVER LONG WE THINK IT WOULD TAKE US TO REVIEW YOUR BASIC PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          THAT'S NOTHING TOO FANCY, DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF, UM, OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT AREN'T PART OF YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR BASIC POSITION REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THE FINAL PLAT REVIEW. 
          UM, SO WE STARTED OUT WITH AN AN APPROXIMATE YOU TWO HOURS FOR YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT, TWO HOURS OF OUR TIME PLUS COURIER FEES BACK AND FORTH FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR EACH ADDITIONAL REVIEW, IF IT GENERATES COMMENTS, ANOTHER BASICALLY ANOTHER HOUR FOR CHECKING THOSE COMMENTS AS THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED TO COME BACK AS WELL AS COURIER FEES BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUAL, UM, BASICALLY REAL TIME FEES OF WHAT, WHAT OUR COST WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN OF USE. 
          UM, APPROXIMATELY SIX HOURS FOR BASIC SUBDIVISION SET. 
          THAT INCLUDES GRADING, DRAINAGE, UH, UTILITIES, ROADWAYS, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UH, WHICH IS ABOUT SEVEN $50 PLUS THOSE SAME CAREER FEES BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND THEN FOR EACH ADDITIONAL REVIEW ON TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE 
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ALMOST NOBODY COMES THROUGH WITH PERFECT SET OF PLANS THE FIRST TIME THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL REVIEWS. 
          UM, SO ABOUT TWO HOURS JUST TO LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED ANY COMMENTS THAT WE HAD. 
          UM, ANY, IF WE GENERATE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR SECOND AND THIRD REVIEWS THAT IT, OF COURSE IT GENERATES ADDITIONAL TIME AND COST FOR US AND Y'ALL. 
          SO PASS THAT ON TO THE DEVELOPER AS WELL. 
          UM, SO WITH EACH ADDITIONAL REVIEW WOULD THEN BE A $250 PLUS THE COURIER FEES BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO 350 AND THEN THE FINAL PLAT REVIEW IS ABOUT THREE AND A HALF HOURS JUST 'CAUSE IT INVOLVES ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON TOP OF THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH HAVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PLUS THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE FINAL. 
          SO, UM, ABOUT FOUR $50 FOR THAT PLUS THE COURIER FEES AND THEN AGAIN THE ADDITIONAL REVIEWS IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS GENERATED IN THAT INITIAL REVIEW. 
          SO THESE ARE WHAT WE CAME UP WITH SORT OF BASED ON, WE'VE ALREADY DONE ONE, THE SOUTH LAKE RANCH FINAL PLOT THAT CAME THROUGH PRECINCT THREE AND UH, IT ACTUALLY FELL RIGHT IN LINE WITH, WITH THESE FEES. 
          SO THAT WAS SORT OF KIND OF THAT GUT CHECK FEELING OF IS THIS, DOES THIS FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT? AND IT SORT OF PUTS Y'ALL A LITTLE MORE IN LINE WITH OTHER COUNTIES IN THE AREA, OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA, UM, AND SORT OF KEEPS YOU FROM LOSING MONEY ON THESE REVIEWS. 
          AT LEAST LIKE THE OLD FEES WERE, THAT'S ONE REASON I WANTED TO BE BUS TO GET THE FEES BACK UP AND GET BACK TO LINE WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES BECAUSE I'VE GOT CERTAIN SUBDIVISION COME IN OUT AND BUY PRECINCT AND UH, WE WASN'T GONNA, WE WAS GONNA DO A LOT OF FREE WORK. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THERE'S, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ATION, WE HADN'T HAD ONE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          THAT, THAT'S A HUGE MISTAKE. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT THAT, THAT STARTING BASE FEE. 
          AND THEN WE ADDED ON AN ADDITIONAL, WHICH Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE, AN ADDITIONAL PER LOT FEE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE MORE LOTS YOU HAVE, THE MORE COMPLICATED THE PLANS BECOME AND THE MORE REVIEW YOU HAVE TO DO AS FAR AS INTERACTION BETWEEN STREETS, UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO, UM, THAT WAS THE BASE FEE. 
          AND THEN LIKE I SAID, ADDING ON THAT ADDITIONAL PER LOT, WHICH IS VERY STANDARD THESE DAYS THAT YOU HAVE EITHER A PER A BASE FLAT FEE OR AN ACREAGE FEE AND AN ADDITIONAL BLOCK. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND THE FEE, I UNDERSTAND, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LET THIS FIRST ONE, HE'S GONNA GET TO DO HIS AT THE OLD FEE. 
          RIGHT? HE'S GONNA GET TO DO HIS AT THE OLD FEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE WAY WE BROKE IT DOWN WITH THE FEE FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, JENNY AND I DISCUSS THAT A LOT. 
          YOU NEVER HAD AN ENGINEER SUBMIT PLANS THAT ARE ACCEPTED THE FIRST TIME. 
          I MEAN IT'S ONCE IN A BLUE MOON, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING ON, SO THERE'S THAT ADDITIONAL, BUT THEN I'D SAY THAT YOUR AVERAGE TO MIDDLE, IT'S USUALLY TWO, SOMETIMES THREE. 
          THAT BEING SAID, I'VE HAD ENGINEERS SUBMIT PLANS SIX TIMES 'CAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T GET IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. 
          WE'VE HAD 'EM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GIVE 'EM COMMENTS, THEY'LL DO A RESUBMITTAL AND THEY ADDRESS HALF OF WHAT WE, UH, TOLD THEM 'EM AND THEY IGNORED THE HAT. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF THE ONE, IT KEEPS THE COUNTY FROM LOSING MONEY ON THE YOUTH FEES. 
          TWO IS THE ENGINEERABLE INCENTIVE. 
          LET'S GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, THE SECOND TIME AND NOT GO THROUGH SIX. 
          WE DON'T WANNA LOSE THEIR TIME, THEIR MONEY, OUR TIME, OUR MONEY OR NOT. 
          SO ONE THING WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IS IN YOUR CURRENT UH, BREAKDOWN, YOU'VE GOT THE, FOR THE FINAL FACT YOU HAVE THE $300 PLUS $25 A LOT PLUS A DOLLAR 50 PER LINEAR FOOT A STREET IS THE DOLLAR 50, IS THAT JUST PART OF HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALCULATED? IS THAT PART OF AN IMPACT FEE FOR THE COUNTY? IT IS UNUSUAL TO SEE THAT BREAKDOWN. 
          WE WERE WONDERING IF THERE WAS A REASONING BEHIND THAT. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS BASED ON THE ENGINEERING FEES THAT THEY WOULD CHARGE TO DO THE INSPECTION OF THE ROADS. 
          IT WASN'T AN IMPACT FEE FOR THE INSPECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE JUST, WE LEFT IN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING Y'ALL HAD. 
          BUT IF IT, IF WE DO A SEPARATE INSPECTION, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE IN CHARGE OF PAYING FOR THOSE COSTS AS WELL, THOSE INSPECTION COSTS. 
          AND SO IF WE PULL THAT OUT AND MAKE THAT A SEPARATE KEY, WE CAN EITHER PULL IT OUT AND USE IT NOT PART OF THE ACTUAL FINAL PLOT, MAKE THAT A SEPARATE FEE OR JUST KEEP IT IN THERE. 
          WHATEVER WORKS BETTER FOR ONE PLACE I DON'T SEE HERE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE YOU TO COME OUT AND DO A TWO YEAR INSPECTION ON IT BEFORE WE RELEASE THEIR BOND. 
          OKAY. 
          TO CHECK ON, MAKE SURE ALL THAT IT WAS DONE ACCORDING TO PLAN, BUT IT WAS, IT'S STILL ACCORDING PLAN, THE DRAINAGE IS STILL THE SAME AND UH, ALL THAT BEFORE WE LOOSE BEFORE WE ACCEPT THEM FOR COUNTY MAINTENANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          BOTH THE FINAL INSPECTION AND THAT JUNIOR INSPECTION. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE LEAVING QUITE MONEY ON THE TABLE. 
          WHAT WE, THE VOICE BOARD. 
          I WAS AFRAID OF THAT BECAUSE OUR FEES WERE HAVEN'T BEEN UP UPGRADED IN A LONG TIME. 
          WELL AND YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE AND OTHERS, SOME AROUND THE COUNTY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE, UH, ACTIVITY REALLY START PICKING BACK UP AGAIN 
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AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED. 
          SO WE CERTAINLY NEED TO AT LEAST RECOUP OUR COSTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          SO NOW A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. 
          SO OUR PROCEDURE WILL BE TO, UH, COME BACK AND ADOPT THESE FEES THAT RICK, THAT  WELL YEAH, THEY DID THE WORKSHOP AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND, AND JUST I THE AGENDA WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT THEN YOU SAID THERE WERE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING INTO. 
          IF WE COULD INDULGE THE COURT FOR A MINUTE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HIRED ON THIS COUNTY ENGINEER BACK IN DECEMBER. 
          JUST NOW GETTING STARTED. 
          WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE COUNTY AGAIN. 
          AS SEVERAL OF YOU KNOW, I UH, HELD THIS ROLE SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS WE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE INFORMATION ON THE CURRENT, UH, SPECS. 
          THERE WAS SOME ITEMS THAT WE FOUND THAT WE KIND OF QUESTIONED AND YOUR SPECIFICATIONS DESIGN STANDARDS OR IT SHOULD REALLY BE UPDATED EVERY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF AT A POINT WHERE WITH YOUR PERMISSION THESE NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND UPDATED. 
          UH, THERE'S A FEW ITEMS THAT WE CAME ACROSS IN THERE THAT MAYBE UPDATED. 
          SOME DON'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS JUST, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, JENNY FOUND THAT THERE'S A STATEMENT IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THE DEVELOPERS WILL PAY FOR THE STREET SIGN AND HAVE ON AVAILABLE BEFORE FINAL PLAT IS APPROVED. 
          AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT'S NOT BEEN BEING ENFORCED. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING ENFORCED WHEN I WAS DOING THIS, UH, FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          UH, ANOTHER ITEM. 
          AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION. 
          DO YOU WANT TO START ENFORCING THAT OR JUST TAKE IT OUTTA THE COAT? UH, ONE ITEM ON THE PLANT REQUIREMENT WAS THAT ALL THE DRAINAGE CULVERT SIZE TO BE SHOWN ON THE PLAQUE, THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL. 
          NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE. 
          THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLANS. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF A, UH, AN ODD THING TO HAVE THERE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. 
          UM, UTILITY BE, IF I'M GONNA LET YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          THIS IS SHALL BE ATTACHED. 
          IS THIS YOUR PROPOSED? NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT IS STATED IN THE, THAT'S WHAT'S STATED IN THE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS NOW. 
          AND SO THAT WAS JUST FOR BOTH THE PRELIMINARY AND THE FINAL PLOT THAT'S REQUIRING THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND THAT WAS LIKE TED SAID, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HADN'T SEEN BEFORE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S USUALLY SOMETHING INCLUDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND UM, WOULD THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE USE BEFORE THAT CULVERT, WHATEVER, BUT NOT ACTUALLY HAVING TO SHOW THE CULVERT, UH, ITSELF. 
          SO THAT WAS SOMETHING JUST KIND OF TO BRING UP TO DISCUSS. 
          AND THEN, UM, THIS WAS A NEW ONE FOR ME ACTUALLY WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY USES THE RIGHT OF WAY BEING RESERVED SPECIFICALLY FOR JUST THE ROAD AND THE DRAINAGE. 
          Y'ALL HAVE GOT SOME BIG RIGHT OF WAY OUT THERE  AND YOU'RE MAKING, UM, AND IF THIS IS THE WAY YOU WANNA KEEP IT, BUT YOU'RE UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATE UTILITY EASEMENT FOR WATER SEWER OUTSIDE OF THAT RIGHT AWAY. 
          SO YOU'RE MAKING THEM MAKING ANY DEVELOPER, UH, DESIGNATE A RIGHT OF AWAY AND THEN ANOTHER UTILITY EASEMENT ON TOP OF THAT, BEHIND THE RIGHT OF WAY TO KEEP WATER TO ROUTE. 
          AND I KNOW MOST OF THAT IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE WATER IN SEA IS PRIVATE, BUT THAT WAS JUST A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IT, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING NEW TO HOW THOSE IN OUR RIGHT WAY, THAT'S WHY JUST GOT OUR ATTENTION. 
          LIKE SAID, THERE'S JUST A FEW ITEMS, LIKE THESE WERE JUST THREE THAT WE PICKED OUT THAT JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE COUNTY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S NOT MAKING THEM GET EASEMENTS. 
          I KNOW THAT FROM WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER SHANE, BUT YET IT'S REQUIRED IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO A QUESTION, AND THIS MAY BE, UM, MAYBE A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER MORE LENGTHY WORKSHOP WHERE WE GO THROUGH SPECIFIC ITEMS, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO DO YOU WANT TO START ENFORCING THIS OR DO WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THEN GET THE CODES UPDATED TO, UH, REFLECT THAT. 
          I'M THINKING THAT, UH, OF COURSE I DON'T WANNA SPEND ANY MORE OF MY MONEY PAYING YOU HOURLY TO GO OVER ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF THAN WE HAVE TO, BUT I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT WE DO NEED TO GET IT RIGHT. 
          LOOK AT ALL CAN GET IT RIGHT. 
          THERE'S, UH, ISSUES SUCH AS NOW THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE, UH, SIDING OR, UH, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO OVER CORRECT MY WORLD. 
          BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT, IT'S NOT A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ANYMORE. 
          IT'S A DITCH. 
          AND COMMISSIONER SHANE AND I DISCUSSED, UH, HE HAS A CONCERN WITH SEPTIC TANKS, MULTIPLE HOUSES TRYING TO HOOK UP TO ONE SUBJECT BANK THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          EXCUSE ME, I CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S ADDRESSED BY STATE LAW. 
          IT'S ILLEGAL. 
          YOU CANNOT DO IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          I AGREE. 
          IT IS UNDER QCE AND IT IS, IT SHOULD BE IN THERE UNDER THE, UH, THE SUBJECT SYSTEM SECTION. 
          THAT'S AN ATTACHMENT TO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
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OKAY. 
          BUT NO, I AGREE. 
          IT IS ADDRESSED BY STATE LAW, BUT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS, THEY JUST LOOK AT THE, UH, STANDARDS AND GO BY THAT. 
          SO IF WE CAN INCLUDE IT IN THERE IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS GOT IT'S GOT THE SUBJECT SYSTEM COURT ORDER AND THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          WE USE A LOT OF FLOOD PLAN, NOT THE STATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND KEEP A CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT TAP OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, WE'RE RAISING FEES ON, ON ALL THESE, UH, DEVELOPERS AND, UH, IT'S A CONSIDERABLE, IT'S A CONSIDERABLE RAISE. 
          I, I WOULD ASSUME I, IT LOOKS LIKE I HADN'T STUDIED THIS AT LENGTH YET, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S QUITE A RAISE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS RIDEAWAY GOES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, STORM, SEWERS, WATER LINES, FOAM LINES, AND UH, NOWADAYS THAT MOST OF 'EM BURY IN THEIR POWER LINES. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THOSE, ALL THESE LINES IN THE RIGHTAWAY, IF WE MAKE THE DEVELOPERS REQUIRE A DIFFERENT EASEMENT IN BEHIND IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER, WHAT, 15, 20 FOOT EASEMENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF, IF THEY'RE GOING WITH, UH, ONE ACRE LOTS OR SMALLER, WHAT HAVE YOU, IT'S GOING TO COST, UH, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY YES. 
          FOR THEM TO DESIGNATE THAT EXTRA EASY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE HERE. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE'RE HERE TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, AND WE WANT 'EM TO COME TO COFFMAN COUNTY AND BUILD HOMES AND, AND HAVE NICE SUBDIVISIONS, BUT WE ALSO GOTTA FIX IT TO WHERE THE DEVELOPERS CAN MAKE MONEY ON THE THING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, I THINK, OH, THAT'S GONNA BE OUT OF OUR CONTROL ANYWAY. 
          THAT'LL BE ALL THOSE, THESE MUCH GONNA BE SET BY THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES AND GAS COMPANIES THAT THEY'LL HAVE, THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN THERE SO THEY CAN GET TO THIS HOUSE AND THAT HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ALL THE PLATS BASICALLY IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S LIKE EVERY SO'S GONNA BE A 10 FOOT UTILITIES BETWEEN LOTS OR THE DEVELOPER. 
          THE ELECTRIC COMPANY IS GOING TO TELL 'EM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT POLES IN, YOU ARE GONNA PUT UNDERGROUND, IT IS GONNA GO BEHIND. 
          IT'S NOT US. 
          IT'S THE UTILITY COMPANIES THAT SPECIFY ALL THAT, THAT THAT'S WHY I'VE DEALT WITH 'EM IN THE PAST. 
          OVER THERE. 
          THE UTILITY COMPANIES WILL GET THEIR OWN EASEMENT. 
          BUT THE WAY, AND I GUESS THINK BACK, UTILITIES AS IN YOUR FRANCHISE UTILITY, YOUR ELECTRIC, UH, BUT THE WAY THE STATE READS IS OF THE LOCAL WATER DISTRICT THAT COMES IN WILL HAVE TO GET THEIR OWN EASEMENT. 
          THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IT RIGHT AWAY. 
          AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S THE DECISION FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          UM, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES. 
          THEY HAVE TO GET, THAT'S BECAUSE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, UH, PRIVATE COMPANIES CAN PUT UTILITIES IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UH, IT'S DONE ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S ALSO BASED OFF THE LOCAL RIGHT ORDINANCE. 
          UH, MANY CITIES, UH, MANY, I SHOULDN'T SAY CITIES MANY, UH, I DON'T WANNA GO FROM MUNICIPALITY, MANY AGENCIES. 
          UH, IF A ROADWAY IS WIDE, AND I'M GONNA USE TEXT SPOT AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          IF YOU HAD A FIBER OPTIC LINE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND TEXT DOT COMES IN AND THEY WIDE THE ROADWAY AND YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR FIBER OPTIC LINE, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF IT. 
          THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY HAS TO MOVE IT. 
          IF THEY GET AN EASEMENT OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEY PUT THEIR FIBER, THEIR WATER TEX STOCK COMES IN AND WIDENS THE RIGHT AWAY AND SAYS YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR WATER LINE, THEY'RE IN A PIPE EASEMENT NOW TEX STOCK HAS TO PAY FOR. 
          SO A LOT OF AGENCIES AND UM, CITY OF ROCKWALL HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THEM IN THE PAST. 
          THEY RIGHT OFF I 30, UH, HAVE A LOT OF FARM MARKET ROAD THEY'VE GOTTEN WHERE THEY'RE ON T STOCK RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THEY PUT ALL THEIR WATER AND UTILITIES IN EASEMENT. 
          'CAUSE IT AFFORDS T STOCK TO PAY FOR THE LOCATIONS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IT HAS TO BE RELOCATED. 
          THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE BASIS OF THIS THINKING, UH, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON JUST LIKE A FARM MARKET ROLL WHERE YOU HAVE AN ADDITION GOING IN, WIDENINGS ARE VERY INIZED, THE ROCK WALL SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THEY HAD CUSTOM YOU HAD VERY GOOD. 
          YES. 
          STILL REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THIS AND WE DID IT BECAUSE THEY HAD THE BEST AND THESE DEVELOPMENT GONNA COME, IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE A BETTER, BETTER PRODUCT ON OUR ROADS. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE I STOPPED THE MUL HOME, SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM COMING IN, NOW HE'S GONNA BUILD HOUSES, WHICH IS GONNA HELP OUR, HELP OUR COUNTY A WHOLE LOT BETTER WITH WHAT HE'S GONNA DO NOW. 
          HE HE CHANGED THE PROGRAM. 
          HE DIDN'T RUN OFF, BUT HE'S COME IN TO DO SOMETHING BETTER FOR US. 
          YEAH. 
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AND MOST DEVELOPERS WILL MAKE THEN THEY, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING REALLY NICE. 
          YES. 
          MOST DEVELOPERS WILL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR PLANS SO THEY GET INTO AN AREA THEY WANNA BE IN. 
          YEP. 
          BUT THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UH, LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT SHOULD BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT. 
          AND UH, I SAID I THINK A GOOD REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE IS PROBABLY IN LINE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE EXPECTING A LOT DEVELOPMENT TO START UP. 
          SO WHAT DOES OUR ENGINEER RECOMMEND FOR THIS RIGHT OF WAY DEAL FOR THEM TO, FOR US TO CHANGE IT? UH, OR, OR LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS OR WHAT YOU'RE THE ENGINEER. 
          WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE FOLKS DOING? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT ARE OTHER COUNTIES DOING AS FAR AS IN AREAS LIKE THIS, YOU ARE TYPICALLY ALLOWING THE FRANCHISE UTILITIES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND YOU CAN SET AN ORDINANCE OF TEXT. 
          SPOT HAS 10 THE CORRIDOR ON THE RIGHT OF WAY OUT. 
          10 FOOT IS WHERE YOU'VE GOTTA BE ANY FURTHER THAN THAT. 
          YOU CAN'T BE THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE CAN SET LIMITATIONS ON WHERE THEY CAN BE. 
          IF WE ALLOW 'EM TO BE ON OUR RIGHT OF WAY, TOM, THEY'RE GONNA BE ANYWAY. 
          MORE THAN LIKELY. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER THING FOR THE DEVELOPER. 
          IF FOR CHANCE YOU HAD TO WIDEN THAT ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR MOVING. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE WATER COMPANY, TELEPHONE COMPANY, WHOEVER IS GONNA HAVE TO MOVE UTILITIES BACK AND UTILITY LOCATION IS, IS A HUGE EXPENSE. 
          OH. 
          WE START GETTING INTO, THERE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE VERY MANY OCCASIONS WHERE WE'D HAVE TO WIDEN OUR RIGHT OF WAY AND THE COUNTY ROAD THING, ESPECIALLY NEW IN THESE NEW NEWLY FLAT SUBDIVISIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IT'S GOING BE A 60 FOOT RIDE OF AWAY ANYWAY. 
          AND SO, HOWEVER YOU WHO'S TO KNOW THAT MAYBE 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD YOU MAY HAVE PUT FOUR LAND ROADS THROUGH ONE OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS AND YOU'RE GOING NEED TO TAKE THAT GUY'S YARD IN THAT RIGHT WAY. 
          BUT THEN YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE ALL THAT STUFF. 
          HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT'LL TAKE TO GO REVIEW OUR CURRENT, UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS? A 40 HOUR WEEK? PROBABLY 40 HOURS. 
          WE ALREADY REVIEWED QUITE A BIT AND I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH AN EDITING, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS,  ABOUT $8 AN HOUR TO . 
          UNFORTUNATELY NOT. 
          WE'RE WE'RE, UH, VERY EFFICIENT. 
          I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT. 
          WE DON'T BUY ANY BUDGETS. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE A CHECKLIST? OKAY. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE LIKE TO RECOMMEND THE COUNTY, UH, INCLUDE AND I BELIEVE WORKING WITH YOU ON THE SUBMITTALS, UM, A LOT OF CITIES AGENCIES HAVE CHECKLISTS THAT IS REQUIRED WITH A PLAN SUBMITTAL, PLAN SUBMITTAL. 
          AND BASICALLY THE PERSON ACCEPTING THE SUBMITTAL, ACCEPTING THE FEE, THEY GO DOWN THE CHECKLIST. 
          IF EVERYTHING'S NOT CHECKED OFF, IT IS HANDED BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, DON'T WASTE OUR TIME. 
          WASTE OUR MONEY, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME. 
          GO BACK, GET IT RIGHT AND BRING IT TO US. 
          UH, AND AS WE REDO THIS, UH, AND LOOK AT THESE STANDARDS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DEVELOP A CHECKLIST FOR THE COUNTY THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED WITH EVERY PLAN. 
          SO THESE ARE, IT'S ALSO WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. 
          OH, ROUGH ONE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UH, IT IS ALSO A GOOD REMINDER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, WHAT HE'S GOTTA DO, THE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING. 
          THIS IS THIS, IT IT IS A CHARGE TO PUT THAT ON THE COMMISSIONER TO, TO DO THESE FLATS AND NET. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF 'EM, ONCE YOU GET READY, ONCE YOU GET FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND THEN SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD ANOTHER ONE COMES, YOU GOTTA START ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          AND A CHECKLIST WOULD BE GREAT. 
          I'M SURE YOU THAT AND I HAVE, I'VE HAD HAD SOME DEVELOPERS COME IN THERE OR ONE DEVELOPER COME IN THERE AND DUMP IT IN MY LAP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO START A SUBDIVISION HERE TO DO ALL THIS FOR ME. 
          I TOLD 'EM, I SAID, THAT'S NOT MY JOB. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND ANYWAY, IT'S TURNED INTO A NOT A PLEASANT SITUATION. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, GIVE A BUDGET TO THE JUDGE ON A SCOPE OF WORK IN A, IN A AN ESTIMATED COST TYPE THING. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR US TO, THESE ARE COPIES OF FRISCO'S, JUST A FEW OF THEIR, THEIR MAIN ONES, FORMER, THE FINAL, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          JUST SO YOU AN IDEA. 
          THEY ACTUALLY WANT SOME OF THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE ONES OUT THERE. 
          I DON'T THINK Y'ALL WOULD BE ANYWHERE NEAR THIS THIS BIG, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE Y'ALL AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT THEIRS LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND THEY ACTUALLY, AS YOU SEE AT THE, AT THE END OF EACH PACKAGE, THEY MAKE THE APPLICANT SIGN IT AND DATE IT AND SAY, WELL I HAVE INCLUDED EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST AND THAT YOU NEED OF THE ONE THAT WE JUST TOOK YOU SOUTHLAKE RANCH. 
          THEY'RE MISSING SOME INFORMATION. 
          AND WE, WE'VE GONE BACK TO 'EM IN THESE COMMENTS AND SAID, WELL, HERE'S OUR REVIEW, BUT WE ALSO NEED THIS, THIS, AND THIS. 
          AND IF THAT HAD BEEN PART OF THE INITIAL PACKAGE, THEN THAT'S REVIEW OF COMMENTS THAT WE WOULD'VE HAD. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING IN THIS THAT SHOWS WHAT THEY DO. 
          A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S INCLUDED IN YES. 
          IF, AND THERE'S A LOT OF IF APPLICABLE, WHICH IN A LOT OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS THERE WOULDN'T BE, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM THINK ABOUT. 
          IS THAT APPLICABLE OR NOT? TO MY SUBDIVISION. 
          AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS. 
          WE KIND OF, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, KIND OF PRO DEVELOPMENT, 
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UH, YEAH, THERE ARE FEES IN THERE FOR, UH, SECOND, THIRD SUBMITTALS, BUT IT IS NOT UNCOMMON THAT WE GET A SET OF PLANS. 
          AND UH, WE DID THIS ON ONE RECENT ONE. 
          EVERY SHEET HAD BEEN UPDATED, BUT ONE, AND WE DISCUSSED THINGS LIKE THEY CALL 'EM JUST PRINTED THE WRONG SHEET, CALL 'EM UP. 
          YEAH. 
          WE PRINTED THE WRONG ONE. 
          HE EMAILS IT TO US, WE PUT IT IN, WE GO, WE'VE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS ONE ON ONE A LOT TO GET THESE, UH, DONE. 
          AND SOMETIMES THE PLANS ARE JUST SO BAD IT'S JUST SEND THEM BACK, REDO 'EM. 
          AND IT'S A FORMAL SUBMITTAL, BUT IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE CUT AND DRY WORKING WITH THEM, NOT THE LETTER ONE. 
          THE WAYS THAT DROP IN THERE IS RESTRICTING THEIR, UH, LOT SIZES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RESTRICT THE LOT SIZE EXCEPT TANK THREE QUARTER PER ACRE. 
          BUT YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SET, DO SETBACK, SIDE YARD SETBACKS AND FRONT SETBACKS AND THEY COULD PUT A 300 YARD SIDE SETBACK ON A HOUSE, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU GOT HAVE TWO ACRES BUILDING A HOUSE ON BECAUSE YOU GOT HAVE ALL THE THREE ON OUR SIDE. 
          SO THERE IS A WAY TO RESTRICT AC ACRES OR, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF, OF LOTS PER ACRE THAT WAY. 
          IS THE SECOND SYSTEM SIZE THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE ACRE? NO SIR. 
          IT'S ONE AC ONE ACRE. 
          WELL, BUT THEN THE STATE CAME, OURS ARE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE THAN THE STATE. 
          THE STATE IS ACTUALLY A HALF AN ACRE AC OUR COURT ORDER ONE ACRE. 
          WE BEEN, THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE LETTER. 
          UH, THIS IS WHAT WE SEND OUT TO THE DEVELOPERS. 
          UH, WE TYPICALLY PUT THE AGENCY, YOU SEE TALKING COUNTY'S LETTERHEAD ON TOP AND CO BILLING ON BOTTOM. 
          THAT WAY THERE'S NO, UH, MISTAKEN BY THE DEVELOPER THAT THIS IS FROM THE COUNTY AND IT'S REPRESENTED BY THE COUNTY, UH, STANDARD LETTER WE SEND OUT. 
          AND AT THE BACK WE NEED TO DO A MATRIX CHECKLIST OF EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THEIR PLANS. 
          AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE SAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE, UH, SENDING OUT. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, JUST LET US KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S, UH, TYPICALLY WHAT WE USE. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE A TEMPLATE FOR EACH OF YOU FOR PRECINCT COMMISSIONER AND BE THE JUDGE AS FAR AS OF YOUR, UM, AREAS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          AND I MEAN, IT ALL SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BE DOING ACTUALLY. 
          UH, DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU NEED US TO DO OTHER THAN I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO INFORM THAT, PROVE IT AT SOME POINT. 
          DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS TO WORK WITH YOU OR DO YOU WANNA COME BACK OR HOW, HOW WOULD YOU UH, UH, BEST WAY, WELL I NEED, I NEED YOUR PERMISSION TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH IT AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND EITHER SIT DOWN WITH ALL OF YOU OR A FEW COMMISSIONERS AND SAY THESE ARE THE CHANGES WE RECOMMEND AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON BOARD. 
          AND THEN IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR, UH, APPROVAL AND ADOPTION APPROVAL. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WE WON'T MOVE FORWARD. 
          ARE WE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON IT, BUT I MEAN I THINK THAT'S THE CONSENSUS AND AS A MATTER OF SPEEDING IT UP, I THINK WOULD BE GOOD IF COMMISSIONER WORK WITH YOU GUYS WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT. 
          AND SO SINCE I'M ACCUSED OF PICKING ON PEOPLE BY PUTTING THEM ON COMMITTEE, UH, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING MR. MANNING Y'ALL WORK IN AND BE GOOD. 
          SO WE'LL MOVE ALONG WITH IT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I GOT ONE QUESTION WHERE TOM MENTIONED MAKING IT MORE FEASIBLE FOR DEVELOPERS TO, UH, TO DO IT DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON THE SEPTIC. 
          YOU SAID WE WERE CRYING ONE ACRE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET A WHOLE LOT MORE LOTS ON A, ON A PIECE OF LAND IF, IF WE WENT TO A THREE QUARTER OR HALF ACRE IF YOU CAN. 
          BUT IT'S AS FAR AS A HEALTH ISSUE, HEALTH AND THE COUNTY'S ALWAYS DONE THIS SINCE 1989 AS FAR AS A HEALTH ISSUE, MOST OF THE GROUND IN CALTON COUNTY IS CLAY SOIL. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE AEROBIC, BASICALLY HAVE TO HAVE THE AEROBIC, UH, SURFACE IRRIGATION FREE OF PLANTS AND THEN IT BECOMES UH, A STATUS OF HEALTH ISSUE BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER WILL ALLAIN IT PROPERLY. 
          WE GET MORE COMPLAINTS OF ODOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SOMETIMES IF YOU GET A VERY LARGE HOUSE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 3,500, 4,000 SQUARE FEET HOUSES, IT BECOMES A REALLY TIGHT AREA TO PUT THE REQUIRED SURFACE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T USE THEIR LOTS PROPERLY. 
          IF THEY'VE GOT A HALF AN RE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WON'T PUT SWIMMING POOLS IN THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS AREA HAS TO BE SET ASIDE FOR THE SPRAY AND SET, YOU KNOW, DO SETBACK DISTANCES FOR 20 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES. 
          SO WE DECIDED A LONG TIME AGO THAT AN ACRE WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY, HAVE A LARGE HOUSE ON IT, SWIMMING POOL AND STILL HAVE MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM DISTANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I KNOW THERE'S SO MANY SUBDIVISIONS, TOUT AND POINTY AREA, 
          [00:40:01]
BUT THEY HAVE AN ACRE AND ALL THEY DO IS MOW IT. 
          I MEAN THEY'RE SEPTIC SPRINKLERS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW FEET BEHIND THEIR HOUSE AND THEN THEY JUST HAVE TO, TO DEAL WITH THE REST OF THE LAND AND PAY FOR MONEY. 
          IT'S JUST BASICALLY UNUSED YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WHOLE ACRE IS UH, NECESSARY A LOT OF TIMES, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN A PERSON WILL BUY THE HOUSE, THEY LIVE IN IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARRIVE THE BACKYARD. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEN I'LL SAY, WELL LET ME PUT A SWIMMING POOL IN. 
          SO THEY NEED TO BUMP THE SPRAY FIELD BACK OUT INTO WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE EXTRA ACREAGE THAT THEY WEREN'T USING IT. 
          IT JUST GIVES THE HOMEOWNERS SOME LATITUDE TO MOVE A SPRAY FIELD AROUND TO ADJUST CHOICE, NOT FEASIBLE TO KNOCK IT BACK TO THROUGH COURT. 
          AND NOW FOR US IT'D BE A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW WITH HOUSES WITHIN AN ACRE, WE GET TONS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT ODORS IN THIS, YOU KNOW, WELL THE ODORS DONT TRAVEL BEYOND AN ACRE ANYWAY. 
          IT DOES. 
          OH SURE. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINING IT. 
          50 ACRES IN THE, BUT UH, BUT YOU SAID THEY HAVE A 20 FOOT SET BACK. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE SPRINKLER 20 FOOT THE RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE ALL DESIGNED BY SANITARY SANITATION ENGINEER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SANITARYS ARE REGISTERED PHYSICAL ENGINEER AND IT'S ONE ACRE NET. 
          NET. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          IS THAT COUNTING THE, THE PROPERTY THAT THE, THE ROAD THING COUNT THE ROAD. 
          SO IF YOU GOT AN ACRE AND YOU KNOW, 10 FEET LINES WITHIN THE COUNTY ROAD OR WHATEVER, YOU GOTTA HAVE MORE THAN ONE ACRE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THAT'S ONE ACRE NET IS WHAT I THINK IS WHAT IT SAYS. 
          DEVELOPER COULDN'T, COULDN'T COME OUT TO THE CENTER OF THE ROAD. 
          AC I PERSONALLY HAVE THREE FOUR OF AN ACRE LOT AND I HAVE A SET SYSTEM. 
          I GOT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IN THE POOL AND I BARELY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR MY THREE SPRAY GATE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SOMETIMES EVEN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE AMOUNT OF LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION. 
          AND YOU CAN MAKE PROJECT FEASIBLE OR UNFEASIBLE IF THEY WANT TO GET, THEY CAN PUT CITES IN THERE. 
          DOES THE COUNTY REQUIRE THEY HAVE HAVE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTOR? YEAH, BUT THEN THE COST GOES BACK UP. 
          THEY TRY TO BUT IS IT Y'ALLS OPINION? STATE ONE ACRE? DEFINITELY. 
          ESPECIALLY THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO DO, IF YOU CHANGE IT FROM AN NEIGHBOR TO THREE AN I HAVE TO GET BETTER QUALITY HOUSES THIS QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA COME ANYWAY. 
          I TELL YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KEEP THEM ONE AND 40 AND GROW LIKE THAT DOOR. 
          I PAID $5,000 FOR A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE OVER. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM FROM COMING. 
          NO, THEY COME REGARDLESS WHAT THESE FEES ARE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE IN LINE WITH THE SURROUNDING AND NOT ONLY AM MINE BUT STILL A LITTLE BIT LESS EVEN IN MOST MUNICIPAL ISSUES. 
          IT JUST TAKES CARE OF OUR COUNTY CLERK. 
          PAY YOUR, YOUR COST. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE ARE ABOUT AND IT MAKES THESE PEOPLE STAND UP AND TAKE THOSE. 
          THEN THEY DO THE APPLICATIONS. 
          LIKE IT SHOULD BE, IT'LL COME IN HERE, THROW IT TO YOUR LAP LIKE YOU DID TO AND SAY YOU DO IT AND IT WASN'T SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SO, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          OKAY GENTLEMEN, THAT'S ALL WE, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE WORKED WITH A COUPLE OF YOU BEFORE. 
          WE'RE HERE TO SERVE YOU. 
          I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER SHANE ON PROJECT NUMEROUS TIMES. 
          UH, WE'RE HERE TO ACT AS A COUNTY ENGINEER, NOT JUST DOING, FEEL FREE TO CALL US. 
          I'LL TRY TO SET UP INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH EACH OF YOU TO COME OUT. 
          JUST VISIT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE DIFFERENT PRECINCTS. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE HERE AT YOUR DISPOSAL. 
          I HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION FOR TED ON ELLIS. 
          CAN, UH, HERE IT SAYS ONE 50 PLUS 25 A LOT. 
          THEN RIGHT UNDER IT SAYS 6 35 PLUS 25 A LOT. 
          THAT'S FOR THE PRELIMINARY FLAT. 
          WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN, I'M SORRY, ON A BIG LONG PAGE HERE WHERE IT SAYS UNDER KIN IT SAYS ONE 50 AND UNDER PRELIMINARY FLAT IT SAYS ONE 50 PLUS 25 A LOT MM-HMM  AND IT SAYS 6 35 PLUS 25 A LOT. 
          IT'S A RANGE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT THEY START. 
          THEY SMALLEST SUBDIVISION, THEY HAVE FLAT FEE. 
          THE ONE 50 PLUS FIVE GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO SIX PLUS 25. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SMALL AND LARGE SUBDIVISION? IT'S 
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PREPARED. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          ELLIS COUNTY STARTED WITH IT WAS ONE TO TWO LOTS. 
          IT WAS 75, 5 WERE FEWER WAS 150. 
          UM, SIX TO 20 WAS 400. 
          AND IF YOU WERE OVER 20 IT WAS THE 6 35. 
          OH, SO OVER 20 LOTS IS A IS A LOT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THEN THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM FEE OF 4,500. 
          THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR, I JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE THERE'S TWO FIGURES IN THERE AND I JUST, YEAH. 
          AND A COUPLE OF THEM HAVE THAT, THAT RANGE IN THERE FOR WHERE THEY, THEY START WITH THEIR, THEIR VERY SMALLEST GO ALL THE WAY UP. 
          SO VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'RE PROPOSING JUST A 300 FOR CONSTRUCTION, LIKE THREE 50 PLUS $15 A LOT PLUS ENOUGH MONEY FOR YOU. 
          I BELIEVE WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE, THEY'VE GONE AND LOOKED AT WHAT, WHAT COST TO DO AN AVERAGE FLAT. 
          THESE FEES WILL COVER THAT COST. 
          TYPICALLY IF Y'ALL NEED TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL FOR AND THE DEVELOPER PAYS THIS BASIC IT'S COST OF DOING BUSINESS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THEY DON'T EVEN, I'VE BEEN ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE WHERE YOU GO TO THE DEVELOPER AS ENGINEER AND SAY, HEY, I'VE GOTTA SUBMIT FINAL FLAT AND I NEED TO PAY THOUSAND CHECK. 
          SO IT'S JUST PART OF EXACTLY. 
          PART OF THEIR COST. 
          DOING BUSINESS JUST PROTECTS US AS EXACTLY IS THE BIG THING. 
          THIS IS ALL ABOUT. 
          NOW ONE OF THE WAY OF DOING IT, AND I HAVE A CLIENT NOW THAT DOES THIS, IS WHEN A DEVELOPER BRINGS IN A SET OF PLANS, THEY WILL TYPICALLY REQUIRE A $5,000 CHECK AND THEN THEY PUT THAT IN  AND THEN WE CHARGE WHATEVER WE CHARGE AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UH, TIME AS WELL AND THAT GETS CHARGED TO THE 5,000 AND AT THE END OF THE PROJECT THEY ISSUE A CHECK BACK TO THE DEVELOPER. 
          OR WHEN THE 5,000 RUNS OUT, THEY CALL THE DEVELOPER UP. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. 
          DO YOU BRING ANOTHER 2000 CHECK? YEAH, IT'S A LOT MORE RECORD KEEPING. 
          IT PUTS A LOT MORE IN THE COUNTY TO MANAGE THAT ESCROW AND REFUND IT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S NOT, BUT THE MONEY'S THERE. 
          BUT THE MONEY'S THERE. 
          Y'ALL HOLD A CHECK OR THE COUNTY DOES. 
          THE COUNTY DOES. 
          AND I MEAN IT CHECK CASH THE CHECK THE CASH AND PUT IN THE FUNDS. 
          UH, THIS I THINK IS ADEQUATE. 
          UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THREE 50 PLUS 15 A LOT THAT MAY BE DONE THE FIRST TIME. 
          IT'S A SMALL PLAT, YOU ONLY PAY 200 AND THEN THE NEXT ONE MAY BE SO COMPLICATED THAT IT TOOK US A LOT LONGER AND WE MAY PAYING 600 SO IT'S A B THIS IS MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE IN MY OPINION. 
          JUST THE, THE CLERK WOULD JUST LOOK AT THE DATA ON THE PLAT. 
          THIS IS THE FEE IT'S HELPFUL WITH. 
          THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY, UH, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          I'LL TRY TO DO TO EACH INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PRECINCT. 
          I LEFT MY CARDS AND JANIE'S HERE. 
          SO JOHN, AS YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU NEED TO, TO VISIT WITH TOM AND KEN, JUST UH, GET THEM TOGETHER, THEN THEY CAN COMMUNICATE, YOU KNOW, UH, SO I THINK THE FASTER, BETTER. 
          I MEAN WE DON'T PUT PUT THIS UH, ON FEE CHARGES ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          I'M GOOD TO GO. 
          WOULD YOU? I'M SORRY? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD THE INSPECTION PIECE TO THAT OR, OR OTHERS LATER? BECAUSE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME YEAH. 
          CAN ONE OF Y'ALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, SO WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WHAT WE OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU. 
          VERY VERIFYING REST OF YOUR TIME. 
          PLEASED TO HAVE YOU WORKING WITH OUR COUNTY. 
          HAPPY TO COME BACK. 
          MS. HUGHES, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? ALL THIS IS, IS IT GOOD WITH YOU? I, I'LL HELP HOWEVER YOU NEED MY HELP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM. 
          WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ITEMS HERE. 
          THE FIRST ONE I WANNA GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT IS ONE THAT WAS ACTION NUMBER ONE. 
          THAT'S TO DISCUSS THE ROAD SIGN ISSUES REGARDING DIVIDING, SIGN FUNDS, PURCHASING SIGNS AND OR HAVING SIGNS PREPARED BY PUBLIC COURT. 
          DID YOU PUT THAT? I THINK I'VE GOT A PRETTY EASY SOLUTION THAT I'LL JUST GO OUT. 
          I WE'RE A LONG TIME AGO. 
          EVERYBODY PAID FOR THEIR OWN SIGNS AND THEN 
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IT'S, IT'S GOT A BIT EASIER FOR THEM TO MAKE THE SIGNS AND GET EVERYBODY GET THE SAME THING. 
          SO WE PUT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET. 
          THE GENTLEMAN AGREEMENT WAS THAT WHEN YOU USED A FOURTH OF THE BUDGET UP, YOU START PAYING FOR THE STUFF OUTTA YOUR OWN BUDGET, OWN SIGNS. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT CREATES YOUR PROBLEM, WHATEVER, LET'S JUST EVERYBODY BUY THEIR OWN SIGNS. 
          THE STOP SIGNS, YIELD SIGNS, CURB SIGNS HAVE THEIR OWN BUDGET. 
          HOWEVER, SOMEBODY GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THE STREET SIGNS. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PUBLIC WORK STILL JUST, MAYBE YOU JUST DO STREET SIGNS, ONLY SOMEBODY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MACHINE TO DO THE SIGNS AND WE CAN JUST BUDGET ENOUGH MONEY AND SIGNS FOR STREET ONLY AND EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS HELP. 
          IT WOULD BE MUCH SIMPLER FOR US BECAUSE WHEN WE GET, WHEN WE HAVE TO ORDER ALL THE REGULATORY SIGNS, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A DELIVERY SPOT OUT HERE AND THEY DELIVER 'EM ON A HUGE PALLET AND THAT CAUSES SOME ISSUES BECAUSE THEY DON'T BRING THE PROPER TRUCK OUT HERE TO UNLOAD 'EM AND THEY GOTTA TAKE 'EM BACK, BRING 'EM BACK OUT AND THEN DANNY HAS TO OFFLOAD ALL THIS STUFF AND STACK IT. 
          IT'S UM, IT, IT WOULD SIMPLIFY EVERYTHING FOR THE REGULATORY SCIENCE TO BE GIVEN TO EACH PRECINCT AND YOU ORDER 'EM AS YOU NEED 'EM, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO STOCKPILE THEM. 
          MAYBE I CAN RIP SOME ROOM FOR SOME STORAGE SPACES FOR FILING CABINETS THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO TRY AND FIND SPACE FOR. 
          UM, BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE HISTORY OF TIME WHEN 9 1 1 ADDRESSING FIRST STARTED BACK IN 1991, THERE WAS FUNDS GIVEN TO THE COUNTY BY THE CO TO PURCHASE TO PAY FOR THE 9 1 1 COORDINATOR SALARY AND TO PURCHASE THE STREET SIGNS THE POLLS. 
          AND SLOWLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT'S GOING AWAY. 
          THEY JUST PROVIDED PORTION OF THE 9 1 1 AND GIS COORDINATOR SALARY JUST A VERY SMALL, WE GET ABOUT 25,000 A YEAR DOESN'T COVER HARDLY ANYTHING. 
          THE STREET SIGN STUFF ONE WAY OR A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE THAT'S WHY PUBLIC WORKS BASICALLY DID ON THE STREET SIGNS IS BECAUSE THE MONEY WAS THERE FROM THE COG TO DO IT. 
          SO NOW THE COUNTY'S PICKED UP THE, THE BILL AND WE PAY FOR IT AND THERE'S GOT TO BE AN EASIER SOLUTION TO DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT. 
          ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE NEW REGULATIONS COMING IN WITH THE SIGNS. 
          IT'S, IT'S WOULD BE BUDGETARY. 
          IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO HAVE THE REGULATORY SIGNS OUT OF THE COMMISSIONERS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ORDERING THAT, TAKING CARE OF ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND WE'LL DO THE SIGN THE ROSE BECAUSE RIGHT. 
          A LOT OF TIMES DANNY'S JOB TURNS INTO MAKING SIGNS FOR OFFICES AND, AND HIS, HIS WHOLE TIME IS TAKING UP SIGNS. 
          WHAT I NEED HIM TO BE DOING IS DOING 9 1 1 ADDRESSING AND GOING OUT WITH MISTY AND GETTING ALL THIS GIS STUFF STRAIGHTENED OUT. 
          BUT AS TIME HAS BEEN NOW KIND OF FOLD IN SIGNS A LOT WHEN I SAID SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SIGNED MACHINE, WE DON'T NEED TO SIZE THE ONE. 
          FIVE IS ABOUT 20 SOME ODD YEARS OLD AND STILL WORKING. 
          WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER IT'LL, I MEAN I DON'T USE HIS FAVORITE TERM THAT HE ABSOLUTELY HATES AT THE END OF LIFE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GETTING THERE. 
          BUT IT'S ABOUT $3,000 TO HAVE THAT A NEW REPLACED. 
          THEY'RE REALLY NOT ALL EXPENSIVE. 
          SO ALL THE STREET SIGNS WOULD BE MADE STILL. 
          YEAH, PUBLIC WORK. 
          UM, SO YOU BUY THE BLANK, YOU TALKING ABOUT BUYING THE BLANKS AND BUYING THE TAPE AND RUN IT THROUGH THE MACHINE? YEP. 
          AND AND AND THAT COMES OUT OF A THE GENERAL FUND? NO, IT COMES OUTTA THE ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          RAISE A LINE ITEM. 
          ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          FUND. 
          BRIDGE. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WAS BEEN CONFUSED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          YOU GOT TWO DIFFERENT PLACES THE SIGNS COME FROM AND TWO DIFFERENT BUDGETS. 
          LEMME ASK A QUESTION. 
          KATHY WOULDN'T BIG, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY PET PEES WHEN I COME HERE FIRST TIME AROUND THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE COUNTY ROAD SIGNS LIKE ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES DO ON OUR RIGHT OF WAYS WHERE IT SHOWS, AND THIS IS FOR SAFETY SECURITY, THIS IS FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          EVERYBODY WITH THE SHERIFF OR HOOD IS WHEN THEY'RE OUT HERE LOOKING AT FOR A ROAD IN THE DARK AT NIGHT AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN HIGHWAY 80, 10 MILES AN HOUR AND YOU RUN PAST THE ROAD, UH, OR SOMETHING, OR YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRE OVER THERE. 
          YOU CAN'T GET TO IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ROAD TO TURN ON. 
          AND EVERYBODY'S ON THEIR RADIOS TALKING TO EACH OTHER, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO 'EM, TO HOW THEY GET TO THIS ROAD. 
          AND THEY ALL DISCUSSING IT AND CAN'T GET THERE. 
          AND BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE, THE HOUSE IS BURNED DOWN. 
          AND, AND, UH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE GET THE STATE TO PUT UP THESE SIGNS? UH, WOULDN'T, YEAH. 
          I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE STATE SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT DOING THAT AND THEY, WHATEVER REASON DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A BUDGETARY THING FOR THEM OR WE'RE ON A LIST SOMEWHERE. 
          ALMOST EVERY OTHER , VERY, VERY FEW COUNTIES I'VE SEEN. 
          DON'T WE DON'T, WE DON'T. 
          SO IS THAT, HOW DO WE LOBBY THEM TO, WE MAYBE GET THEM TO COME? WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A LOCAL DECISION 
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TO DO THAT, BUT THEY WANNA DO IT. 
          THEY DON'T WANNA DO IT, COULD WE? THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT SOMETIMES AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T. 
          COULD WE ASK THE AREA? THERE'S AN EXPENSE TO IT, BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE OUT THERE WHERE YEAH. 
          THE EXPENSE. 
          I THINK IT'S A BIG, BIG CONCERN. 
          FIRST RESPONDERS FOR PEOPLE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, LOT OF VERY CONVENIENT, THE SIGNS OF THE COUNTY ROAD STOP SIGNS AND STUFF. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU JUST CAN'T SEE 'EM. 
          THEY'RE ON CURVES OR WHATEVER. 
          HOW LONG AGO WAS IT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU REMEMBER YEARS AGO? YEAH, WHEN THEY, WE STARTED DOING THAT. 
          WE HAD DISCUSSED IT AND I THINK, WHAT IS 10 YEARS AGO THAT TEXTILE STARTED DOING THAT IN DIFFERENT COUNTIES. 
          WHEN I BROUGHT THE COURT THE VOTE, UH, MS. AND COME AND SAID SHE DIDN'T WANT ANY MORE CLUTTER ON, ON THE STATE ROADS. 
          AND THAT WAS HER ANSWER. 
          SHE DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I THINK SHE'S STILL OVER THIS AREA TOO THEN. 
          SO IS SHE GONE? YEAH. 
          GONE QUITE A WHILE. 
          SO WOULD IT BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED TO, TO MAYBE TRY TO GET A, WE DID ASK THEM AND SAY NUMBER ONE, THEN THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOING COME UP AS PART OF THE CONSULTANTS MAY COME BACK THAT POSSIBLY A PRIORITY FOR US AND FREE BECAUSE I KNOW IT. 
          SO KIND OF LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE COME BACK AS TO WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE. 
          WELL IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL COUNTIES HAVE IT, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF COUNTY WHERE I COME FROM AT THIS TIME. 
          ANOTHER POINT I WISH COULD GET THE REGULATORY SIGNS FROM ONE SOURCE. 
          UH, YEAH, I THINK JACK'S GOT TO REDO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          JACK SAID HE WAS GONNA SLAP THE BID. 
          WE NEED TO LET THAT OUT FOR BIDS AND SEE IF WE CAN, THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I DIDN'T ANSWER LAST TIME. 
          WE BID SIGNS OUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE AWARDED SIGNS AND IT WAS LIKELY SIGN WE REALLY NEED OR THE POST. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GIVE SOMEONE TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO MEET TO MAG THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT 10 YEARS FROM NOW OR YOU KNOW, WE WANT SIGN, I NEED DIRECTION, YOU GUYS ON WHAT SPIKE WE'RE SAYING. 
          NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO BID THAT STUFF OUT AND MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE GETTING. 
          IT'S GONNA MEET THE RETRO IT NEEDS BE UNIFORM. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL YEAH. 
          BID. 
          SO WE, WE DO HAVE A UNIFORM RETRO REFLECTIVITY, NUMBER ONE. 
          AND THEN POSSIBLY GET THE BEST PRICE. 
          FIND BULK VERSUS EVERYBODY CAN, THERE ARE DIFFERENT GRADES, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LIFESPANS OF THE, THE WELL IF WE CAN BUY 'EM IN, IN ABOVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GO WITH  BECAUSE I, WE KIND OF DID A LITTLE ROUGH COUNT. 
          I LOSE BETWEEN 75 AND 85 STOP SIGNS A YEAR. 
          YOU LOSE BETWEEN UH, SIX, UH, BETWEEN 45 AND 65. 
          UH, LIKE CURVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          STOP SIGN, SPEED LIMIT, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          25% OF EVERY SIGN THAT'S GONE GETS THE POLES TAKEN WITH IT POLE AND HARDWARE AND THE HOLE WITH IT. 
          SO, UH, YOU LOOKING AT AND STREET SIGNS ARE THE WORST. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S THE WORST TO GO. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, UH, JEFF AND THEM WAS, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE JUST YESTERDAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 65 AND NINE FIVE ROADSIDE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS COST. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO LITTLE ODDBALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE HAPPEN TOO. 
          IT'S LIKE I SAID, LIKE I HAD, UH, MENTIONED WE GET REQUESTS TO PUT NAMES OR MAKE A LITTLE SIGN THE NAME OR MAKE SPECIALTY SIGNS, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR THE CLEANUP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          DO YOU STILL WANT US TO DO THAT? IF SO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ORDER SIGN BLANKS, SPECIAL SIGN BLANKS FOR THAT SPECIAL TAPE. 
          IT BECOMES AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE FOR A ONE. 
          OR YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING IT FOR YOU GUYS. 
          LIKE IF WE'RE DOING IT FOR SOMEBODY'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER. 
          WHERE'S THE MONEY COVER IF DOESN NEED TO COME OUT OF THEIR BUDGET? DOES IT? YEAH. 
          IT NEEDS SOMEBODY OVER SIGN. 
          IT NEEDS TO COME OUT THEIR BUDGET I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST IF I WERE EM, I EXPECT TO PAPERWORK OUT MY BUDGET. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MY TIME AND IS FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY DOLLARS PER FEE YOU KNOW THEY'RE GONNA DO. 
          AND I'M, THEY KNOW HOW Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT. 
          YOU WANT TO, I COULD THINK JACK HAD SUGGESTED AT ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE MAKING SIGNS WITH REFLECTED TAPE? STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          WHEN IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE MORE PROFESSIONAL TO HAVE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY MAKE NAME PLATE SIGNS OR PUT ON THE DOOR OF THIS IS WHAT OPPOSITE IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          INSTEAD 
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OF JUST ONE OF THOSE LITTLE SIGN BLANKS WITH TAPE PUT ON THEM. 
          REFER IT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF, AS LONG AS IT POINTS A DIRECTION TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED, I DON'T NEED NO FANCY SIGN POINT SOMETHING OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET, WHAT DO WE FIGURE THE PER UNIT COST IS ON SAY A SIGN THAT THAT YOU CUT OUT WITH YOUR MACHINE THAT GOES ON THE SIDE OF THE TRACTOR OR SOMETHING. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE THOSE OH, LIKE THE DECALS FOR THE PRECINCT SIGN. 
          UM, WHAT DO YOU FIGURE THAT COST THE COUNTY TO MAKE? PROBABLY $25 FOR THE, FOR REPAIR. 
          FOR REPAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S LIKE THE STREET BLANKS. 
          JUST NORMAL STREET BLANK IS, IT'S ABOUT NINE 50 FOR A BLANK. 
          AND THEN THE ROLL OF TAPE REFLECTED TECH, WE HAVE TO USE WHAT, TWO 50 NOW? $3 A FOOT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S FIXING TO GO UP. 
          'CAUSE I THINK I'M TALKING TO, UH, THE SIGN LADY AND THEY SAID 2015 WE'RE SUPPOSED TO USE HIGH INTENSITY, UH, LETTERING. 
          NUMBERING INSTEAD OF THE ENGINEER GRADE WE'RE USING NOW. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA GO WAY UP. 
          COST OF ALUMINUM'S GOING UP TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THEY WOULD MAKE THOSE SIGNS THAT ALUMINUM WENT OUT LOSING ME AND TOM, YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT ORDERING STUFF IN BULK. 
          UM, AND IF YOU DO THAT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ONE CENTRAL LOCATION TO TAKE THOSE SIGNS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE BANDED AND THEY COME ON PALLETS. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE THAT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK COMPANY NOT GOING DIVIDE 'EM UP AND GO TO EVERY CREEK, YOU KNOW? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE CENTRALIZED SOMEHOW FOR DELIVERY PURPOSES. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE A HECK A LOT CHEAPER THAN RAY ORDERING, YOU KNOW, TOP ORDERING AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT WE COULD DELIVER 'EM GOING BE SO MUCH CHEAPER. 
          THERE'S CENTRALLY LOCATED COUNT 'EM UP, EVERYBODY PICK THEM UP. 
          YEAH. 
          ME JUST ORDERING IN SMALL BULK, LIKE I SAY, THERE'S A TON OF MONEY, BUT WE ALL GOT TOGETHER KNOW WITH THIS WE NEED 500 A YEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WAY, WAY CHEAPER. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE THEFT LOCKS, WHATEVER WE WENT TO USING 12 FOOT POLES AND GETTING THEM SIGNS SEVEN FOOT FROM THE BOTTOM OFF THE GROUND. 
          WE DON'T, AND USING TAMPERPROOF SCREWS, OUR THEFT HAS GONE DOWN TO ABOUT THAT FOOT. 
          WE'VE STARTED USING THAT. 
          THOSE TAMPERPROOF SCREWS AND POLE AND TALLER POLES, YOU KNOW, AS THEY, AS THEY, BUT WHEN THEY TAKE THE POLE AS THEY GET THE STEEL POLES AND, AND THE SIGN AND EVERYTHING, THAT'S WHAT WE PUT BACK IN. 
          BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S STILL A TREMENDOUS COST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONCE SCHOOL GETS OUT YOU CAN FIGURE THAT YOU GONNA LOSE, YOU GONNA LOSE EVERYTHING. 
          20. 
          I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY'RE MM-HMM  YOU KNOW, IF, IF PARENTS HAVE DROPPED THE HAMMER ON THEM, IT'D MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, . 
          SO YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE ER OFFICE, TAKE , EACH PRECINCT THEN IS GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE ALL THEIR SIGNS AND, AND KIND OF GUESSTIMATE WHAT PERCENT YOU'RE GONNA LOSE A YEAR IN ORDER TO PERFORM THEIR OWN SIGNED BUDGET. 
          IS IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING? THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A ROUGH ESTIMATE, OF COURSE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          LIKE, BECAUSE SEE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF A WHAT KIND OF A PER UNIT COST. 
          YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S EVER TOLD ME WHAT A STOP SIGN COST, YOU KNOW, THAT COMES FROM THE, THE VENDOR THAT'S USING NOW. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A PER UNIT COST WHERE WE, AND IT'S BEEN SO LONG AGO SINCE I LOOKED AT 'EM. 
          I DON'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU, I DON'T A PER UNIT COST FOR THE REGULATORY SIGNS. 
          YOU GONNA HAVE TO HAVE OPPOSING, YOU KNOW, GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE BOAT BY THE, BY THE, AND ALL THAT STUFF WE LOOKED AT WHEN WENT OUT FOR BIDS AND THAT WAS YOU, YOU GIVE ME A SPEC THAT YOU WANT TO GO WITH, WE'LL HAVE A UNIT COST FOR ALL THAT STUFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'D BE ON SOME BY BOARD OR SOMETHING TOO. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS TO DO IT YESTERDAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, BACK TO THIS THING ABOUT WORKING WITH THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT ON GETTING THE, THE ROAD SIGNS. 
          UH, WOULD YOU CHECK WITH, UH, BRENDA, WELL OUR HOUSE AND MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT ON OUR NEXT AGENDA AND UH, GO AHEAD AND HAVE IT AS AN ACTION ITEM THAT WE WILL REQUEST THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION TO INSTALL COUNTY ROAD SIGNS ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY. 
          I JUST, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG, BIG, BIG HELP TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE VISITING THE COUNTY AND UH, POTENTIAL PAY CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, NOT, 
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BUT I DO THINK BE FIRST RESPONDERS FIRST RESPONDED SECURITY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL TELL YOU. 
          UH, IS THAT OKAY? UH, JACK, I JUST ADD THAT IF WE COULD GET A ESTIMATE WHICH ONE YOU GUYS MAY NEED, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE IT TO THE VENDOR, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET A BETTER PRICE. 
          WE JUST SAY ONE, YOU GIVE A QUANTITY. 
          WE, WE ALSO NEED PRICE SIGN BLANKS, DON'T WE? THAT'S WHAT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE PRICE SIGN. 
          GET 'EM TO PRICE, SIGN BLANKS WITH GREEN BACKGROUND, WHATEVER. 
          AND MAYBE ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN THEM OR THIS, WE'VE TRIED FIBERGLASS IN THE PAST. 
          FIBERGLASS DOESN'T WORK AT ALL. 
          THEY DON'T LAST. 
          I MEAN AS LONG AS THE ALUMINUM, BECAUSE THEY TEAR UP, THERE OUGHT BE SOMETHING THAT DON'T COST $3 A POUND POWDER COATED STEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, POWDER COATING NOW RATHER THAN JUST PAINT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT POWDER COAT WOULD LAST A LONG TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          PROBABLY AS LONG AS COST. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING THEY HAVE DONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT GUY. 
          HE, HE'S HIGH ON POWDER AND THAT'S THE ONLY GUY I EVER WITH GET REFLECTIVITY ON. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE REFLECTIVE. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE THAT REFLECTIVE TAPE. 
          WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE METAL ITSELF JUST TO REPLACE THE ALUMINUM, YOU KNOW, STILL HAVE YOUR TAPE OVER THAT, BUT JUST TO KEEP 'EM FROM STEALING THE SAME BEFORE THEY LEFT IT. 
          STEEL WOULD GO UP THEN THEY'D BE GETTING THE DARN STEEL THOUGH. 
          THE TENS A LOT LESS THAN ALUMINUM. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK THOUGH THE STANDARDS ARE SET BY T DO YOU GOTTA, WHAT YOU GOT BUY, I, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE AVAILABLE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE LITERALLY HAVE TO MAKE IT OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, BUY THE WHATEVER AND MAKE THE COST GO UP FROM THERE, YOU KNOW. 
          PRECUT. 
          CUT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET RIGHT ON THE, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON, I TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK. 
          I KNOW JOHN'S TIMEFRAME. 
          I'M DOING OKAY. 
          OKAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK. 
          I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE, UH, IN THE HONOR OF, UH, CASSIE AND LAURIE, WE HAVE, UH, BANANAS AND CHOLESTEROL TALK ABOUT THE, UH, PERSONNEL POLICY, UH, DIVISIONS THAT YOU PRESENT. 
          SURE CAN. 
          I'M GONNA GO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF YOU CAN FIND ONE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S, I GAVE YOU A COPY. 
          I NEED SOME SUN OF ONE AND HANDOUT OF EVERYTHING THAT I, IN THE FRONT OF EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE, UH, THE MAIN CHANGES, THE MAIN THING THAT I CHANGED THE, BECAUSE IT WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE REFORM, DUPLICATE, DUPLICATE STUFF THERE, SOME CONTRADICT STUFF AND ALL THAT. 
          UM, SO I DUNNO HOW Y'ALL REALLY WANTED ME TO DO, DO THIS. 
          WELL, YOU FOLLOWED A FORMAT I THINK WITH THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION COUNTIES. 
          I DIDN'T, NO, I DIDN'T FOLLOW THEIR FORMAT, BUT I USED A LOT OF THEIR, UM, THEIR LANGUAGE, THEIR LANGUAGE, UM, MADE SURE THAT ALL THE POLICIES THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE HAD IN THERE, UM, THAT THEIR LANGUAGE, I KEPT A LOT OF THE POLICIES THAT WE HAD, UM, CHANGED SOME OF THE WORDING TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE A LOT, UM, AND THEN, UH, RESEARCH TO SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT, UM, THAT WE HAD DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON OUR HR LISTERV AND ASKED WHAT OTHER COUNTIES WERE DOING, OTHER ONES THAT WE HAD TO BANK ABOUT PROBLEMS ON THAT OTHER PEOPLE ASKED ME TO LOOK INTO. 
          AND KIND OF A MULTIPLE OF ALL THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL KIND OF THE ONES THAT YOU, YOU'VE HAD TO DO RESEARCH ON OR YOU HAD PEOPLE ASK TO, UH, DO THE RESEARCH. 
          THAT'LL, THAT'LL KIND OF HELP US. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD, GOOD PLAN EVERYBODY? YEAH. 
          WHAT I DID WAS, UH, READ IT TWICE, HAD MY, HAD LINDA READ IT FOR ONCE AND I HIGHLIGHTED JUST THE ONES I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I KNOW, AND I'VE MARKED IT A HUGE JOB DOING ALL 
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THIS KIND OF STUFF. 
          I KNOW THAT IT PROBABLY HADN'T BEEN DONE IN NO AND YEARS. 
          AND I, IT WAS TONS OF TACKLES IN IT. 
          UM, DUPLICATE POLICIES CONTRADICTING STUFF IN THERE THAT ON PAGE FIVE IT SAID THIS THING, PAGE 20, IT SAID THE SAME THING, BUT IT SAID THE OPPOSITE. 
          IT'S LIKE, WHICH ONE DO YOU GO BACK? SO I TRIED MY BEST TO TAKE OUT AND REARRANGE AND THE FLOW OF IT KIND OF MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE. 
          AND IN MY OPINION, I'M UP FOR ANY CHANGES. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER. 
          UM, I DON'T, I'M NOT GLUED TO ANY OF THIS. 
          THIS IS JUST MY OPINION ON A LOT OF THINGS. 
          I ASKED, UM, FOR HELP ON A LOT OF THINGS. 
          SHELLS LOOKED OVER IT, T LOOKED OVER IT. 
          UM, I EMAILED IT TO JOHN. 
          I KNOW HE'S LOOKED OVER SOME OF IT, NOT ALL OF THEM. 
          UM, I'VE ASKED MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO READ THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU ALL READ IT. 
          I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT IT. 
          I MARKED THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          SO I MEAN, I'VE JUST ASKED ANYBODY THAT'S WANT TO LOOK AT IT, JUST LOOK AT IT, GIMME YOUR OPINION. 
          UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. 
          I WANT IT TO BE SIMPLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          I DON'T WANT FANCY LANGUAGE IN IT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST WANT THE EMPLOYEES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, AND TO KIND OF HELP US UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, PRETTY MUCH IN THE BEGINNING, LIKE I JUST KIND OF PAGE, BUT THE MAIN THING, LIKE ON THE INTRODUCTION I ADDED, YOU KNOW, THE EXCERPT ABOUT US, UM, THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE MANUAL AT ANY TIME AND THAT IT WILL ALWAYS BE POSTED ON TOP OF COUNTY NET. 
          UM, THE MOST UP TO DATE MANUAL WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. 
          SO THE EMPLOYEE WANTS THAT. 
          IF WE MAKE A CHANGE, UM, AND LIKE WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE PAST, ANY POLICY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IF I MAKE A CHANGE IN THE POLICY IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WE'VE MADE A COUPLE CHANGES TO POLICY. 
          UM, I SEND IT OUT BY EMAIL TO EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD AND ELECTED OFFICIAL. 
          AND I PRINT OUT THE MEMO ALONG THE POLICY AND PUT IT IN THE BOX AND THEN I POST IT ON COPY COUNTY NET FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. 
          SO I WANT THEM TO BE AWARE OF THE POLICIES THAT ARE CHANGING. 
          UM, MAINLY THINGS, TYPO OR TYPOS, LITTLE EXPERTS ABOUT IT. 
          UM, ON PAGE 12, UH, THAT'S THE MAJOR FIRST THING IS THE EMPLOYEE STATUS. 
          UM, KIND OF CHANGE THE FULL-TIME, PART-TIME, UM, INSERTED NEW, UM, CATEGORY, WHICH WE WERE CALLED MODIFIED PART-TIME BECAUSE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2014. 
          THAT'S IN THE NEW ONE THAT I DID. 
          THAT'S MY, MY PAGE 12. 
          NOT NEW COPY. 
          NO, THE NEW PAGE 12. 
          I TOLD YOU MY NEW WAY I HAD TO CHANGE SOME THINGS SINCE THE LAST I, THE NOTES ON THE ONE, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, 'CAUSE OF THE OBAMACARE AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          UM, THE CHANGE IN HOURS THAT THEY WORK BETWEEN 29, IF THEY WORK LESS THAN 29 HOURS, THEY'RE CONSIDERED PART-TIME IF THEY WORK OVER 29 HOURS, BUT, UM, LESS THAN 40 HOURS, THEY'VE STILL BEEN THROUGH THE PART-TIME. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO PAY THEIR HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          SO I PUT THAT CATEGORY IN HERE. 
          WHAT IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN HEALTH BENEFITS? WE STILL ARE LIABLE TO PAY THEIR HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          THEY PAY ANYWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY CAN, UM, NOT ELECT TO TAKE OUR HEALTH BENEFITS, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO OFFER THEM THE HELP BENEFITS. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT APPLY TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ALSO? WELL, YEAH. 
          SO LIKE FOR YOU, UM, WE JUST, YEAH, I DIDN'T TAKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE STILL HAVE TO OFFER, WE HAVE TO OFFER HEALTH BENEFITS TO EVERY EMPLOYEE, INCLUDING THIS NOW MODIFIED PART-TIME BECAUSE, UM, IF THEY WORK THOSE CERTAIN HOURS, WE HAVE TO OFFER THAT TO THEM. 
          AND, UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO TO TAKE IT BECAUSE IN OCTOBER 1ST, 2014, WHICH IS WHEN OUR NEW, WHICH IS WHEN IT'LL TAKE EFFECT FOR US, UM, IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY DON'T TAKE IT, THEY'LL, THEY CAN GO AND GET IT IN THE UM, I THINK THEY'RE CALLING THEM EXCHANGES IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THEM. 
          SO IT'S GONNA, AND THIS, I KIND OF BRIEFLY TALKED TO Y'ALL ABOUT IT IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT WHEN I CAME BACK FROM THAT TRAINING AND STUFF, BUT, UM, IT'S GONNA AFFECT US TREMENDOUSLY ON THE PART-TIME. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GET THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING THAT, THAT ARE CLASSIFIED AS PART-TIME, THEY HAVE TO BE WORKING LESS THAN 29 HOURS. 
          WE WENT TO ANOTHER TRAINING, UM, LAST WEEK, WEEK BEFORE, AND THEY TOLD US THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO START WORKING LESS THAN 29 HOURS AFFECTED JULY 1ST BECAUSE 
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THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK, UM, AND LOOK AT OUR HOURS. 
          AND IT'S AN AVERAGE, UM, STARTING FROM JULY 1ST, JULY, OCTOBER, JANUARY, 2014. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA AFFECT US. 
          UM, AND WHY START PAYING BENEFITS OCTOBER OF 2014? WE'LL SAY I WANT HIRE A GUY PART TIME'S RETIRED FROM SOME CITY HEALTH INSURANCE THAT HE WOULD BE ON THE MODIFIED PART-TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WORKING 39 HOURS WITH NO, NO BENEFITS. 
          HE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO OFFER IT TO HIM, BUT HE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE TO US THAT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE VERIFICATION THAT HE HAS HEALTH INSURANCE ELSEWHERE. 
          HE WOULD JUST HAVE TO SHOW US DOCUMENTATION THAT HE HAS HEALTH INSURANCE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA COST US, BUT IT WOULDN'T COST US. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT WE STILL HAVE TO OFFER IT TO HIM. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WITHIN OUR PART-TIME HOURS WITH OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES AND OUR, THIS NEW CATEGORY, THIS MODIFIED PART-TIME IS WHAT WE DECIDED TO CALL THEM. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. 
          SO, AND BEFORE WE DID HAVE, UM, FULLTIME EMPLOYEES, UM, AS OF 32 HOURS. 
          IF THEY WEREN'T 32 HOURS NO MORE, THEY WERE CONSIDERED FULL-TIME. 
          AND, UM, I THAT WE, THAT BACK TO 40 HOURS FULL SHOULD BE, THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS I CHANGED THERE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT? WE DID GO TO THAT PRESENTATION AND I HAVE THAT IN THAT FRONT OF Y'ALL BOOK IN THE VERY BACK, THE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE ACT LITTLE, UM, THING THAT YOU TELLING US ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY DID, UM, COME AND TALK. 
          WE WENT AND LISTENED TO THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UM, IT WAS PUT ON BY AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK, BUT IT WAS THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          I THINK SCHOOL, THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE PUT IT ON. 
          AND, UM, WE STAYED AFTER AND TALKED TO HIM. 
          MICHAEL, UM, DARNELL, HE SAID THAT HE'D BE HAPPY TO COME GIVE A PRESENTATION, UM, FOR ALL Y'ALL, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO LEARN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT, UM, HE'D BE HAPPY TO COME AND TALK TO ANY OF Y'ALL. 
          UM, HE SAID HE WOULD PUT ON A PRESENTATION. 
          WE EVEN HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT THEY WANNA COME AND LISTEN. 
          WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. 
          SO IF Y'ALL WANNA KNOW, LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE, GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS HEALTHCARE ACT, AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IS GONNA, THEY CAN COME AND TALK TO US. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER AS WELL? YES. 
          I'D TRY TO GET, AND IT WAS JUST ABOUT A 30 MINUTE, LITTLE 30 MINUTE PRESENTATION AND THEY COULD, THEY TALKED ABOUT LIKE SMALL BUSINESSES AND LARGE BUSINESSES, BUT THEY CAN DO IT MORE FOR US AND CLASSIFY MORE JUST FOR OUR COUNTY AND BE MORE SPECIFIC. 
          SO YEAH, WE CAN INVITE NEIGHBOR COUNTY, WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU WANT. 
          SO I CAN SET THAT UP IF YOU, WE JUST NEED TO FIND A PLACE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU. 
          I, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE EMPLOYEE STATUS? UM, ON THE NEXT PAGE, I JUST ADDED THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT ACT. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE IN THERE. 
          AND THEN THE LITTLE SENTENCE ABOUT THE, UM, GENETIC INFORMATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN THERE THAT WE DON'T DISCRIMINATE ABOUT. 
          INFORMATION, INFORMATION IN THERE AND JUST COME FROM. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THEN ON PAGE 14, THE EMPLOYMENT, THE APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE, UM, TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          IS THAT ? ? THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, COUPLE OF, SUCH COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS ONE. 
          AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE POLICY IS WRITTEN, IT SAYS THAT WE ADVERTISE FOR FULLTIME AND PART-TIME. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN ADVERTISING FOR PART-TIME. 
          UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE I'M, I'M BUSY AND PART-TIME POSITIONS. 
          I THINK, UM, MOST OF THE TIME THEY KNOW WHO THEY'RE GONNA HIRE AND IT'S MORE OF A WASTE OF MY TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GONNA SELECT WHO WE WANT TO HIRE ANYWAYS. 
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AND, UM, THEY'RE JUST GONNA BRING IN WHO THEY WANT AND IT'S TEMPORARY IN A LITTLE BIT HALF THE TIME ANYWAYS. 
          SO I HAVEN'T BEEN POSTING FOR PART-TIME. 
          I DUNNO Y'ALL'S OPINION ON THAT OR WHAT Y'ALL PREFER IN THAT REGARD. 
          UM, I ALSO HAVE NOT BEEN DOING, UM, BACKGROUND CHECKS AND DRUG TESTS OR PARTTIME, UM, BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE HOW LONG PART-TIME PEOPLE WILL STAY. 
          AND SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAVE A LITTLE MONEY. 
          I'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED MY BUDGET ON DRUG TESTS. 
          I'M HAVING TO PULL FROM MY BACKGROUND CHECK MONEY AND MY BUDGET TO DO BACKGROUND OR TO DO DRUG TESTS. 
          SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAVE A LITTLE MONEY ON THAT. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW ON THE PART-TIME DOING JOB TESTS AND BACKGROUNDS, BUT, UM, I DON'T EVER KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE GONNA STAY. 
          SO I DON'T, UH, JOHN, WE HAVE AS MUCH LIABILITY FOR A PART-TIME PERSON AS WE NEED FOR A FULL-TIME PERSON WHEN WE'RE WORKING FOR STUDENT. 
          SURE. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO INCREASE YOUR BUDGET THEN FOR DRUG TESTING AND BACKGROUND. 
          'CAUSE I WANT MY PART-TIME PEOPLE BE CHECKED OUT. 
          I MEAN, I CAN DO IT. 
          I JUST, I DON'T HAVE BUDGET FOR IT COULD BE WORSE BECAUSE WE DON'T, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I DON'T THINK I RIGHT. 
          I DON'T WANT THE BUDGET AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE YOUR MONEY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND I JUST DON'T, I DON'T EVER KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE GONNA STAY AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY YOU HAVE PART HELP COMING IN THAT'S GONNA STAY FOR THREE MONTHS. 
          I $50 ON THEM. 
          FOR SOMEONE THAT'S GONNA STAY THREE MONTHS, I THINK IT'D BE CHEAP INSURANCE. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THEM ANNOUNCING FOR PARTTIME? I, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT. 
          LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE GONNA HIRE PART-TIME, PARTICULAR PERSON IN LINE FOR IN, FOR A PARTICULAR JOB. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I'M, IF IT'S, I'M GONNA OFFER THE WAY I HAVE THIS SORTED FOR PART-TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE HAVING PRETTY GOOD COMPLIANCE WITH THE OF APPLICATIONS VACANCIES? NOT REALLY, BUT I THINK IT'S SLOWLY GETTING THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS, IS THERE A CONFUSION ON DOING THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK PERHAPS THAT YOU, WE OR YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL THEM WHO THEY HAVE TO HIRE? IS THAT PART OF IT OR SOMETHING? I THINK AT FIRST THAT WAS THE, THE SITUATION. 
          I THINK THAT HAS KIND OF GONE AWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S GETTING A LITTLE BETTER, I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          LET, LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY THIS AS A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE. 
          FOR FIVE YEARS THAT I WORKED AT DALLAS, KIND OF EVERYTHING, I HAD TO RUN THROUGH THE HUMAN RESOURCES AND, AND, AND I FRANKLY, AND, AND, AND, UH, STILL MYSTIFIED THAT THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE POSTING. 
          BECAUSE IF, IF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED THAT, THAT THEIR FRIEND OR THEIR BUDDY OR THE ONE PERSON THAT THEY THOUGHT OF FOR THE JOB, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE MIGHT BE COMPETITION. 
          I, I THINK FOLKS SHOULD WELCOME THEM. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WITH THE DA'S OFFICE WHEN THEY POSTED OPENINGS, UNFORTUNATELY RECENTLY, WHEN, WHEN THEY'VE DONE THAT THROUGH THE T-D-C-A-A, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE POSTINGS AND WITH THE ELECTRONIC WORLD, YOU, YOU GET, YOU OPEN UP SO MANY MORE DOORS THAN JUST WHO YOU THINK YOU KNOW OR WHO YOU THINK YOU KNOW. 
          AND SO, UH, I MEAN I, I UNDERSTAND IN ONE SENSE PEOPLE'S RELUCTANCE, BUT, BUT THE FLIP SIDE IS, IS YOU GET, UH, A A NUMBER OF FOLKS LIKE THE DA'S OFFICE, THEY GET PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE THAT, THAT ARE APPLYING FOR DIFFERENT POSITIONS. 
          AND I GET EMAILS FROM PEOPLE SAYING, I SAW THIS POSTED HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT SUCH AND SUCH OR THING. 
          SO I I, I JUST WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          AND I, I THINK ALL YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE JUST A CLEARING HOUSE. 
          YOU'RE NOT EVEN DECIDING IF ANYONE'S, NO, I HAVE QUALIFIED OR NOT. 
          MOST OF THE TIME I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE APPLICATIONS UNLESS THE ALLEGED DEPARTMENT ASK ME TO LIKE, OH, HOW ARE THEY LOOKING? ARE THEY GOOD CANDIDATES? AND THEN I'LL LOOK THROUGH 'EM. 
          BUT 90% OF THE TIME I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT, MAKE SURE THEY'RE SIGNED AND PUT IN A FOLDER. 
          WE REALLY NEED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THE PROCESS. 
          IF WE HAVE, COULD WE NOT INSERT THE LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT, THAT SHE HAS TO SIGN OFF THAT THESE HIRING PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGED. 
          THEY'D JUST HAVE TO DO IT ENCOURAGED. 
          BUT YOU YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE HIRING PROCESS AND BEFORE THAT PERSON CHECK. 
          I MEAN, AND THEN SOMETIMES IT'S BEEN WHERE THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE HIRING PROCESS AND THEN THEY HIRED SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T EVEN APPLY. 
          SO, I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T APPLY UNDER THE JOB. 
          THEY JUST HIRED SOMEBODY THAT THEY WANTED TO, OR I MEAN, THEY STILL GET AROUND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, UH, AND SOME OF IT, I MEAN, THIS IST NEW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NOT HAD THIS IN THE PAST. 
          YOU'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 
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A YEAR NOW. 
          SO WE'VE NOT HAD THAT RIGHT PROCESS UP. 
          AND SO SOME OF IT JUST MAY BE GETTING IN THE HABIT OF, OF DOING IT. 
          BUT, UH, AS WE TRY TO MOVE TOWARDS A MORE PROFESSIONAL COUNTY AND, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH PAYROLL AND THINGS LIKE THIS, I MEAN THIS, I MEAN, PEOPLE STILL CAN HIRE WHO WANNA HIRE ALL WE'RE ASKING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO DO YOU WANT PUT SOME LANGUAGE INTO THAT? IS THAT, IS THAT AGREEABLE WITH EVERYBODY? YES. 
          I THINK SHE SHOULD HIRE EVERY PERSON THAT GETS FIRED. 
          COUNTY TOLD AFTER WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE CHECKED. 
          AND I I I'M SORRY THAT WE'VE GOTTA TO THIS POINT IN OUR LIFE WHERE YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T TRUST PEOPLE LIKE YOU USED TO OR WHATEVER. 
          I THINK YOU JOHN, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER A WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT TELLS YOU RIGHT THERE THAT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOOKING FOR JOBS AND YOU MIGHT FIND A LOT OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          QUALIFIED PEOPLE. 
          QUALIFIED PEOPLE. 
          I KNOW I DID BETTER MY BARN, I DID THIS. 
          I SO BETTER QUALIFIED THAN WHAT I COULD HAVE GOT OTHERWISE. 
          BUT IF WE DO THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR EVERY COUNTY DEPARTMENT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I DO TOO. 
          SO, SO CAN YOU GIVE JOHN AND WORD THAT TO INCLUDE THAT AND THEN, UH, WE'LL JUST NEED TO HAVE A UH, UH, HOW DID THEY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SIGN ON TO SIGN OFF IF THEY FOLLOWED? WELL, THEY JUST WOULDN'T GET A CHECK BILL I GUESS UNTIL THEY, YOU KNOW, WE VERIFIED THAT THEY FOLLOWED A YEAH, THE HIRING PROCEDURE. 
          IT, IT STILL SEEMS LIKE IN THE OCCASION WHERE SOMEONE THINKS I'VE INTERVIEWED THESE PEOPLE, BUT THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE THAT I KNOW THAT ALL, ALL THAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING THE ELECTED OFFICIAL OR THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO DO IS, IS TO HAVE ROUTE THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SAY, AND THAT'S, YOU NEED TO SUBMIT YOUR THE BACKGROUND. 
          AND THAT'S THE THING THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HIRE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW I'M GONNA HIRE, JUST TELL THEM ABOUT THE APPLICATION. 
          I MEAN, IT'S THAT SIMPLE. 
          WELL, AND, AND WE STILL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT, I MEAN, ONCE WE GET THIS THING FULLY ADOPTED, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME INSERVICE WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OUR INDIVIDUAL JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE. 
          AND IT'S, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TELL 'EM HOW TO RUN THEIR DEPARTMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PART IS SUCH A CRITICAL PART OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IF IT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED. 
          SO, AND ANOTHER THING IS I UM, AT FIRST WHEN I FIRST STARTED THIS POLICY WAS FIRST IMPLEMENTED ON TRANSFERRING FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER. 
          I WAS HAVING THEM ANNOUNCE FOR THAT AND I STOPPED THAT. 
          'CAUSE I WAS, IT WAS A WASTE OF MY TIME BECAUSE YOU KNEW THAT THEY WERE JUST TRANSFERRING FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER AND I WAS WASTING MY TIME GIVING PEOPLE FALSE HOPE. 
          SO, UM, I WAS GONNA PUT A WORDING IN THERE THAT THEY'RE TRANSFERRING FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER THEN I WASN'T THAT, THAT THEY'VE EMBEDDED ANYWAY BY DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY'RE JUST TRANSFERRING. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, WHO DO THEY NOTIFY? SO I, I ASSUME THEY'RE CHECKING. 
          I MEAN, USUALLY THAT BY THE TIME IT GETS TO ME, IT'S ALREADY A DONE DEAL BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND SO IT'S LIKE I, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BY THAT TIME ANYWAYS. 
          SO IT'S LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY TALKED SO MUCH TO EACH OTHER AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, I'M TAKING THIS PERSON. 
          AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, Y ONLY CHANGE HIS PAYROLL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, WHO THEY COME TO ME LIKE, DO I NEED TO DO ANYTHING? I'M LIKE, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT. 
          SO, I MEAN, I GUESS JUST OUTTA THE FORM UNTIL THEY, TO CHANGE THE CODES. 
          SO I MEAN, IT'S GOT PAYROLL, WE DON'T MESS WITH YOU. 
          I HAVE NOT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, UM, AND BIT I, AND THEN THE LAST THING, UM, IT'S KIND OF A SHADY AREA IS THAT, UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT MAY DO THEIR OWN HIRINGS. 
          THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN PROCESS OUT THERE AND I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT ME TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I SAID, ALL YOU HIRE EVERYBODY, HOW DOES IT, HOW DOES IT WORK NOW? SO I HAVE NO IDEA YOU POST JOB? NO. 
          I GET A PHONE CALL THAT SAYS YOU'VE HIRED FIVE NEW DETENTION OFFICERS. 
          THEY'LL BE THERE IN THEIR OFFICE TOMORROW. 
          SO DO THEY DO A BACKGROUND CHECK OR ANYTHING? THEY DO AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THEY, ORAL BOARD, 
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EVERYONE THAT COMES IN, THEY HAVE A BOARD OF PEOPLE THAT INTERVIEWS THEM. 
          VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WITH THEM POSTING THE JOBS ON THE COUNTY. 
          I'M SURE NOT. 
          I'M SURE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE THEY POST, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, LIKE THEIR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WEBSITE THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY POST THERE. 
          BUT SOMETIMES I GO ON THERE AND IT'S NOT UPDATED AND THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE ONE POSITION OPEN, BUT THEN, THEN TWO WEEKS WE'LL GET FIVE NEW HIRES. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THEIR ACCURACY OR I, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S REALLY DONE. 
          WELL, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED. 
          UH, I MEAN I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT WHATSOEVER. 
          THEY, MY BELIEF IS THAT THAT MAY HAVE STARTED BACK WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT AND IT JUST, IT JUST KIND OF CARRIED ON IN THAT WAY BECAUSE THEIR PERSONNEL HIRING QUALIFICATIONS PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S. 
          BUT ICRS, WE ARE NOT TO REHIRE THEM FOR ONE FULL CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD POLICY, WHETHER THEY WITHDRAW THEIR REQUIREMENT OR NOT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I ADDED THAT IN THERE. 
          AND THEN FOR RETIRED EMPLOYEES, THAT IS KIND OF A-T-C-R-S THING TOO. 
          UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WORDING CHANGED IN THERE, UM, THAT WE DON'T REHIRE THEM, UM, FOR SIX MONTHS, SIX COUNTY MONTHS, UM, IF THEY RETIRE. 
          SO THAT IF THEY RETIRE FROM THE COUNTY, WE CAN'T REHIRE THEM THE NEXT MONTH AND THEN TO GO WORK IN SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA RETIRE OR SAY RETIRE KIND OF THING. 
          I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE HAD AN INSTANCE OR TWO WHERE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE RETIRE THAT GREW OUT THERE RETIREMENT FROM THE COUNTY RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND THEN WERE HIRED BACK WITHIN A CHARTER PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND I, I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT, I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE. 
          AND THIS WILL PUT INTO POLICY YES. 
          THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO GET DONE ON THAT TOO. 
          BUT AGAIN, WELL, AND MY GOAL IS ONCE WE GET ALL THIS TOGETHER AND WRAPPED UP AND PROVED AND FINALIZE IT, WE HAVE A KIND OF TRAINING, WELL I THINK WE'LL NEED TO HAVE, ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, YOU MUST BE SEPARATED FROM ONE FULL CALIBER. 
          YOU SAY WE SHOULD GO TO A YEAR? NO, NO. 
          ON THE RETIREE, ON THE RETIRE ON THE NEXT PART IS SIX CALENDAR MONTHS THAT WHERE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY DRAWS OUT AND THEY'RE, OR THEY'RE RETIRED, MAYBE THEY ARE PARTICIP, THEY'RE RETIRED RETIREMENT, THEY RETIRE, THEY TAKE A MONTHLY SUPPLEMENT. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE RETIRED, BUT WE CAN'T REHIRE THEM FOR SIX CALENDAR MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          THE OTHER ONE IS THAT WHETHER THEY'RE, WHETHER THEY, UM, WITHDRAW THEIR RETIREMENT OR NOT, THEY'RE TERMINATED, QUIT, WHATEVER, WE CAN'T REHIRE THEM FOR SIX MONTHS OR FOR, EXCUSE ME, FOR ONE CALENDAR MONTH. 
          WELL, LEMME DO THEY COME BACK IN ON THE SAME LONGEVITY AND, UH, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THING I EVEN IF THEY, EVEN IF WE COME BACK IN WITH THE SAME BENEFITS THEY NEEDED AND ALL THIS GOOD STUFF, EVEN IF THIS POLICY'S NOT IN PLACE, THEY STILL DON'T COME BACK WITH THE SAME LONGEVITY. 
          WE ELIMINATED THE LONGEVITY OCTOBER 20. 
          OCTOBER OF WHEN? 2011. 
          2011. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, UH, BUT WE GRANDFATHERED EVERYBODY IN THAT WAS ON LONGEVITY. 
          BUT NOW, AND WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR IT, BUT JUST ABOUT EVERY MONTH OR EVERY TIME Y'ALL, YOU SEND ME AN UPDATE, WE, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING OFF LONGEVITY, LONGEVITY WAS COSTING THE COUNTY ABOUT A HALF MILLION MM-HMM . 
          AND, UH, NOBODY REALLY KNEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT BENEFIT IT WAS TO THE COUNTY. 
          AND THEN I THINK MANY YEARS AGO, THE MERIT PAID. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AM I RIGHT? I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN THAT WAS, BUT, UH, BUT THAT IS SLOWLY GOING AWAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          BUT THE BIG ONE WAS BY FAR THE LONGEVITY, UH, THING. 
          SO NEW EMPLOYEES DON'T GET IN IF 
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YOU QUIT AND COME BACK, YOUT GET CLEAR, NOBODY CAN EVEN SPELL LONGEVITY UNTIL THEY BEEN IN FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          . 
          AND THEY ALL KNEW ABOUT IT. 
          , THEY DIDN'T WORK ABOUT UNTIL THAT POINT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I THAT, UM, NEPOTISM, I DECIDED A LITTLE SENTENCE THAT TACK HAD ABOUT IF SOMEONE IS PUT INTO PLACE WHERE IT COULD ELECTED OFFICIAL DEPARTMENT HEAD SUPERVISOR THAT COULD NEPOTISM COULD BE IN PLACE. 
          THEN THEY HAD ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO GET THAT MATTER RESOLVED. 
          THAT, UM, ADDED ATTENDANCE POLICY. 
          TELL ME, LET'S GO BACK TO THIS  THINGS. 
          I I'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT IF, UH, IF I'M ELECTED AS WHATEVER, UH MM-HMM. 
          YOU KNOW, AND UH, I GO TO WORK AND THEN ANOTHER ELECTED PERSON HIRES, UH, A RELATIVE OF MINE THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED NEPOTISM. 
          NO. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE DIRECTLY UNDER YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, AND I KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN IN THE PAST IN A FEW AREAS AND IT, BUT IT ONLY APPLIES TO ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          IT DOESN'T APPLY TO DEPARTMENT HEADS OR I BELIEVE IT ONLY APPLIES TO ELECTED. 
          IS THAT YEAH. 
          THE OR APPOINTED KIND OF, KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE, THE COUNTY IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER ENTITIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE, UM, THE SEPARATE ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH, WITH WHATEVER THEIR SPHERE OF AUTHORITY IS. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE SILOS, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE SILOS. 
          BUT, BUT WHERE IT BECOMES, I GUESS, A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED IS THAT IF SOMEONE IS A DEPARTMENT THAT REPORTS TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THEN IT, I THINK OF THAT AS THE BIGGER FAMILY. 
          YOU KNOW, SO, SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE HIRED THAT REPORTS WITH HIM, FOR EXAMPLE, I GUESS, UM, UM, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE A RELATIVE, UH, JUDGE WOOD THAT THEN THE RELATIVE COULD WORK FOR OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEN THAT WOULD BE FINE. 
          BUT IF IT WORKED FOR SOMEONE THAT IS TWO STEPS DOWN FROM, FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, GIVEN THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC AND PUBLIC VIOLATION. 
          EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T IN YOUR OFFICE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THEY WEREN'T, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR, FOR KATHY, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE VIOLATION. 
          NONE MY WOULD PASSED BACKGROUND CHECKS, THEN IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD, BUT WE HAVE ACTUALLY NO DIRECT SUPERVISION OF ANYBODY EXCEPT FOR ALL ROAD BRIDGE GUYS. 
          WELL WE SAID DIRECT SUPERVISION WHERE WE, WE KIND OF SUPERVISE EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE HAVE DIRECTIONS. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU, YOU HAVE SUPERVISION OF YOURS. 
          BUT, BUT THE COURT, THE, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT THAT REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT FROM A DECISIONS I'VE SEEN THEN, THEN THAT'S WHERE THINGS BECOME A PROBLEM. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A RELATIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WANTS TO WORK IN THE DA'S OFFICE, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE OR CAN DO WHATEVER SHE WANTS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, YEAH, OKAY. 
          AND I, I REALIZE THAT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY SUPERVISING, BUT IF IT, THE WAY I THINK OF IT IS IF YOU'RE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU COULD UH, REPLACE THE PERSON INTERMEDIATE, THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME NEPOTISM POWERS. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I SMALLER HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. 
          BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY AROUND THE SMALLER COUNTY TO DO THAT. 
          SAME WAY DISTRICT. 
          I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT MY RELATIVE YOURS. 
          SO. 
          WELL WE SHOULD PUT A IN HERE JUST BECAUSE AN EMPLOYEE HAS THE SAME LAST NAME. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE WAS A RUMOR GOING AROUND WHENEVER WE HIRED. 
          OH, IT'S STILL GOING AROUND DON BE, IT WAS WHENEVER. 
          OH IT'S TRUE. 
          WAS HIRED . 
          I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND. 
          I KNOW MAIDEN NAME. 
          SO THE RUMOR GOT UP. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY ANYBODY WOULD START THIS. 
          I DUNNO EXACTLY HOW WE WERE RELATED. 
          I THINK HE WORKED GREAT UNCLE OR SOMETHING. 
          I DUNNO. 
          YEAH. 
          THE DEAL OR THE RECORD WE'RE NOT RELATED AND WE NEED TO DO A-D-N-A-I-I OFFER THE BLOOD SAMPLE. 
          ALRIGHT SO MUCH FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I ADDED AN ATTENDANCE AND UH, DRESS CODE POLICY. 
          IT'S VERY GENERIC. 
          THEY CAN STILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IN THEIR OWN THING, BUT IT'S VERY GENERIC, JUST PER TAX KIND OF THING. 
          STILL PRETTY MUCH SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP ON TIME AND REPRESENT COUNTY IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER. 
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THE HEALTH INSURANCE OFFICE 22 I ADDED, UM, I HAVE TO GET OFFICE TWO AFTER I ADDED IT. 
          UM, I ADDED THE EXIT ABOUT HOW WE HAVE TO PAY HOW HEALTH INSURANCES FOR FULL-TIME AND MODIFIED PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          AND I'M GONNA TAKE THAT OUT UNTIL OCTOBER OF 2014 BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY MODIFIED HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          BUT AS OF OCTOBER OF 2014, WE HAVE TO PAY MODIFIED PART-TIME INSURANCE. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE WORDING IN THERE. 
          NO TO EMPLOYEE BE, IT'S NOT HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE IN THE FACT THAT IF YOU WANNA UPGRADE A LITTLE BIT, YOU DO HAVE NO, IT'S STILL AT NO COST. 
          DOWN BELOW IT SAYS IF YOU WANT TO ADD THE COVERAGE OF YOUR DEPENDENTS, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          BUT HEALTH INSURANCE IS AT NO COST OF EMPLOYEE ONLY IS REAL COST OF. 
          AND THEN DOWN BELOW IT SAYS IF YOU WANT TO ADD YOUR DEPENDENT, YOU HAVE TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL PREMIUM. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. 
          THE LIFE INSURANCE WOULD'VE BEEN, WOULD'VE BEEN EXTRA. 
          I TOOK OUT DISABILITY, I ADDED THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I TOOK OUT THAT AND ADDED THAT IN ANOTHER SECTION. 
          SO THIS IS JUST HEALTH INSURANCE DOWN BELOW I HAVE UM, OTHER INSURANCE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT DENTAL VISION AND THEN LIFE INSURANCE. 
          I ADDED THAT IN ANOTHER SECTION. 
          DO YOU LIKE THAT? IS THAT OKAY? I, YEAH, I I TOOK IT IN DIFFERENT SECTION BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO BE SEPARATE SO THEY UNDERSTOOD HEALTH WAS SEPARATE AND THEN DIGITAL VISION SEPARATE DEMOCRACY IS SEPARATE. 
          UM, ON THE RETIREMENT PAGE, I DID UM, PUT IN THERE THAT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS QUESTION A MILLION TIMES THAT YOU MAY NOT BORROW AGAINST YOUR RETIREMENT FOR ANY REASON. 
          YOU CAN ONLY WITHDRAW YOUR MONEY IF YOU ARE TERMINATED OR UM, QUIT WHATEVER NO LONGER THROUGH THE COUNTY. 
          BECAUSE I GET THAT QUESTION A MILLION TIMES. 
          UM, ALSO WE DID KIND OF CLARIFY UM, BECAUSE WE GET THIS QUESTION A LOT TOO. 
          THAT THE 20 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE COUNTY AFTER DOWN BELOW WHERE IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE COVERAGE THAT WHERE YOU GET 20 YEARS AFTER 20 YEARS, THE COUNTY PAYS FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF YOUR PREMIUMS. THAT THAT THAT 20 YEARS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CONSECUTIVE. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO ON THE COUNTY'S HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          UM, THAT'S BECAUSE WE GET PEOPLE THAT ARE VESTED. 
          THEY'VE GOT 20 YEARS THAT YOU KNOW WITH T-D-C-R-S BUT THAT MAY NOT BE 20 YEARS WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THAT MAY HAVE BEEN 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WITH DALLAS COUNTY AND THEY CAME AND WORKED FOR ONE HERE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, WHICH I DIDN'T ADD IT IN HERE, BUT I WANTED Y'ALL'S OPINION ON IT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, RIGHT NOW WE PAY ONE HALF OF THE RETIREMENT OR ONE HALF OF HEALTH INSURANCE FOR UM, ANYBODY THAT RETIRES WITH THE COUNTY. 
          YOU HAVE TO RETIRE AND TAKE A MONTHLY SUPPLEMENT WHEN YOU RETIRE. 
          AND WE PAY ONE HALF OF THAT INSURANCE REGARDLESS OF THE YEARS OF SERVICE, REGARDLESS OF THE YEARS OF SERVICE. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF EIGHT YEARS WITH THE COUNTY FOR THAT. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU COME IN IN HERE AND WORK TWO YEARS WITH THE COUNTY AND YOU GET TO RETIRE, OF COURSE YOUR MONTHLY SUPPLEMENT ISN'T GONNA BE THAT MUCH BUT WE'RE GONNA END UP PAYING HALF OF YOUR INSURANCE. 
          WHICH IS RIGHT NOW COULD BE ONE THAT RETIRED. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS A GREAT BENEFIT. 
          AND SO HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT WE HAVE? I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND AS RIGHT NOW IT PROBABLY MOST OF, YEAH MOST OF THE ONES PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRED, UM, PROBABLY HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THAT MANY BUT I JUST WANT TO AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS LESS THAN EIGHT RIGHT NOW THAT'S RETIRING. 
          I MEAN MOST PEOPLE ARE STAYING A LONG TIME. 
          I JUST WANNA AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT'S NOT BENEFICIAL. 
          THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR OUR COUNTY AND PLUS OUR EMPLOYEES THAT STAY HERE 20 YEARS AND GET COUNT CERTAIN EVENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT FAIR. 
          YEAH. 
          OR OUR EMPLOYEES THAT STAY HERE EIGHT YEARS AND GET VESTED, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WANT TO RETIRE AND GET THEIRS, YOU KNOW, PAID BACK AND THEY'VE BEEN EIGHT YEARS VESTED ONES THAT IN THEY GET INSURANCE PAID FOR EVERYTHING AND IT ALL ENDS WHEN THEY BECOME 65. 
          MM-HMM  THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICARE. 
          YES. 
          Y'ALL HAVE ANYBODY GOT ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? AND I MEAN I 
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DON'T CARE ABOUT THE YEARS. 
          I JUST, I JUST SAY I JUST SAY EIGHT YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S EIGHT YEARS IS TO BE VESTED TO TO GET YOU KNOW, TO RETIRE. 
          YEAH. 
          WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THAT'S OUR VESTING YEARS. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAID EIGHT YEARS. 
          BUT I MEAN IT COULD BE ANYTHING. 
          WHATEVER Y'ALL WANNA DECIDE ON, THAT'S JUST, I JUST, I MEAN AND LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT IS RECEIVING OUR HEALTH INSURANCE ON TWO YEARS BUT YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM HAVE MORE. 
          BUT I JUST, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE UNFAIR FOR EVERYONE THAT'S BEEN HERE SO LONG. 
          BE WELCOME. 
          HERE. 
          HERE GET ONE HERE. 
          DID YOU UM, JUST CLARIFIED SOME WORDING ON THE SUPPLEMENTS, SUPPLEMENTAL DEFERRED, ALL THAT INSURANCE. 
          UM, ON THE VACATION POLICY I CLARIFIED THAT MODIFIED PART-TIME THEY DON'T GET VACATION. 
          UM, A BUNCH OF WORDING THAT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, I DID ADD IN THERE THAT EXEMPT EMPLOYEES, UM, 'CAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW ALL EMPLOYEES THEY GET TO CARRY OVER 40 HOURS AND I ADDED IN THERE THAT EXEMPT EMPLOYEES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CARRY OVER 80 HOURS. 
          AND THE REASON I DID THAT IS BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THEY LOSE A LOT OF THEIR VACATION TIME BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET TO TAKE VACATION TIME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE TIME. 
          THEY'RE LOSING THEIR VACATION TIME. 
          UM, THEY DON'T GET EARN COMP TIME HALF THE TIME. 
          WHAT'S THAT? UM, AND I JUST THOUGHT TO BE FAIR, I MEAN HALF THE TIME THEY'RE LOSING IT ALL THEY GET TO CARRY OVER IS 40 WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS CARRYING OVER 40 PLUS ALL THEIR COMP TIME. 
          YOU GOT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CARRYING OVER COMP TIME, HOLIDAY TIME EVERY OTHER TIME UNDER THE SUN. 
          SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR TO THE EXEMPTED PROPOSAL. 
          I GOT ANY ISSUES THAT, TRYING TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, I'LL BE ALRIGHT. 
          YES, EVERYBODY DIRECTLY QUIET. 
          UM, THE HOLIDAY ONE IS KIND OF A BIG ONE. 
          I HAVE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, MANY PEOPLE AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND IT'S A MAJOR ONE THAT I HAVE CHANGED. 
          UM, I HAVE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF HIMSELF AND HE HAS ASKED ME TO CHANGE THE HOLIDAY POLICY WHERE IF YOU DO NOT WORK THE HOLIDAY, YOU DON DO NOT RECEIVE PAY FOR THE HOLIDAY. 
          AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD AFFECT WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES RACKING UP HOLIDAY TIME AND PRETTY AS MUCH, THEY HAD AS MUCH HOLIDAY TIME AS COMP TIME. 
          THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, THEY WORK THREE FIVE. 
          SO I DUNNO. 
          NO, SOMETIMES THEY'D GET, THEY'LL GET CALLED OUT TO GO WORK FIRES ON HOLIDAYS. 
          SOMETIMES THEY'LL STAY OUT LONGER THAN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          IT PROBABLY WOULD BE LAWYERS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          WELL IF THEY WORK THE HOLIDAY THEY'LL GET PAID THE HOLIDAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU GET COMP TIME FOR WORKING EXTRA HOURS OR HOW DO YOU USUALLY GET PAID? I I, I DON'T OF COURSE, BUT THE GUYS DO THEY GET COMP HOURS IF THEY COME IN HERE SO THEY NEED THE COMP HOURS THAT YOU GO. 
          I MEAN IF THEY WORK THE HOLIDAY THEY GET CALLED OUT. 
          IF THEY GET CALLED OUT ON THE HOLIDAY BUT THEY WORK THE HOLIDAY, THEY'LL GET PAID THE HOLIDAY OR COMPACT OR COMP CONTACT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I MEAN THAT, THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME MEAN. 
          YEAH, WELL I MEAN AND THEN THINKING ABOUT ALL THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK EIGHT TO FIVE, WE DON'T GET TO WRAP UP OUR HOLIDAY AND DECIDE TO WHEN WE GET TO OUR HOLIDAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I MEAN I'VE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF HIMSELF AND THIS IS WHAT HE HAD SUGGESTED. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WROTE. 
          AND THEN HE ALSO SUGGESTED HE UM, NOT TO PAY OUT HOLIDAY TIME WHEN THEY'RE TERMINATED OR THEY QUIT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN THAT'S PERMISSABLE I GUESS. 
          AND THEN FOR ALSO I THINK SO I'VE CHECKED WITH OTHER COUNTIES AND OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY ALSO, UM, THE HOLIDAY DID SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY COME UP SO WE CAN HEAR YOU BECAUSE I, SOME OF IT'S GETTING A LITTLE HARD TO HEARING. 
          UH, YOU, YOU CAN HEAR FROM HERE AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERY 4TH OF JULY WE WORKED 12, 14 HOURS EARLY JULY AND LIKE CASE JUST THROW AWAY TIME BUT HOLIDAY GET BACK TO THEM. 
          DO WHAT? I SAID IF YOU WORK THE HOLIDAY, YOU GET PAID THE HOLIDAY. 
          WELL WE DON'T HAVE BUDGET AND MONEY TO PAY THAT. 
          SO I MEAN WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COMING FROM? WELL THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS TO SEE WHAT OUR BE BUDGET AND GET SOME THINGS 
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STATED DOWN TO WHERE WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON OUR BUDGET, ON OUR EMPLOYEES AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO THIS IS GOING TO HELP US ALL THE WAY AROUND TO SAVE MONEY THAT WE PAY FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR OURS IS ALL COMPOUND BE. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. 
          I SAID WE'D BE COMPOUND ANYWAY NOT PAYING IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT JUST REQUIRE HIS GUYS TO TAKE MORE TIME OFF DURING THE YEAR SOMEWHERE. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WOULDN'T BE ANY EXTRA MONEY. 
          MORE MONEY OR LESS MONEY. 
          YOU GET RAINY DAYS OFF AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN THERE'S NO GRASS FIRE. 
          WHAT JIM? I SAID YOU GET RAINY DAYS OFF WHEN THERE'S NO GRASS FIRE. 
          KEEP BUYING ME THE RAINY DAY THOUGH. 
          DAY OFF IN TWO YEARS BETWEEN COREY. 
          IS HE ONE THAT PAID HOLIDAY TIME IF THEY WORKED THE HOLIDAY? WE USED TO DO THAT BACK WHEN I STARTED IN 1986. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE I NO, THEY ACCRUED IT. 
          THEY THEY'LL ACCRUE IT. 
          ACCRUED. 
          YEAH, THEY'LL ACCRUED IT AS A HOLIDAY TIME STILL. 
          AND THEN HE, HE SUGGESTED THAT THEY, THEY DIDN'T WANT ME TO USE THAT. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY BETTER 'CAUSE I CAN, UH, EVERYBODY KNOWS I'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER. 
          WHEN IT WAS DONE THAT WAY IT WAS MORE FAIR. 
          BUT AT THE TIME THEY WERE GETTING PAID THEN IT REVERTED TO COMP TIME BECAUSE BUDGETARY CONCERNS. 
          BUT THEN IT BECAME A NIGHTMARE WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT LIKE THEY HAVE NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'D HAVE PEOPLE QUIT LIKE 35, 40 HOLIDAYS THAT WE HAD TO PAY THEM. 
          OH THERE'S ONLY 500. 
          IT'S RIDICULOUS OF HOLIDAY TIME. 
          TOTALLY RIDICULOUS TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY HOT. 
          AND ALL YOU WERE DOING IT, IT WAS A PAPERWORK GAME BECAUSE IT SHOWS SOMEBODY OFF ON A HOLIDAY AND YOU GAVE SOMEBODY ELSE A HOLIDAY LATER ON IN THE PAVEMENT. 
          THAT 28 DAY PERIOD, ALL IT IS IS JUST SHOWING 'EM YEAH, YOU DID IT BUT YOU HAD TO CALL SOMEBODY IN TO WORK TO FILL A SHIFT SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT GETTING A HOLIDAY OFF. 
          IT HAS NEVER BEEN FAIR FOR YEARS. 
          NEVER BEEN. 
          NO, IT'S NOT FAIR. 
          AND IT'S A, IT IS A HUGE MESS OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UM, HE ALSO WANTED THAT, THAT'D BE A MESS TO COME UP WITH. 
          HUGE. 
          AND SO NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT EARN IT, IF THEY DON'T GET IT, IF THEY DO EARN IT, THEY HAVE A YEAR TO USE IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO WE MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE? UH, NOW WHEN WE ADOPT THIS OR DO WE GRANDFATHER THOSE? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO CLEAN IT UP. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAN UP WHAT'S OUT THERE FIRST. 
          SO I DON'T, I DUNNO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF EVEN IF IF HE WANTS TO USE, IF HE WANTS TO USE, IF HE WANTS HIM TO USE HIM, IF WITHIN A YEAR HE'S GOTTA GET THEM ALL DOWN TO A CERTAIN NUMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE NOT ALL ABOUT SHERIFF. 
          WE TALKING ABOUT JAIL. 
          JAIL. 
          WOW. 
          THIS IS LAURA. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UHHUH, HOW ARE THEY ALLOWED TO AC APPROVE HOLIDAY NIGHT? YOU GOT ME. 
          IT WAS MADE BACK YEARS AND YEARS AGO. 
          THAT WAS ABOUT, WAS POLICY. 
          I THINK THE, THE LABOR BOARD AND PEOPLE GOT INVOLVED IN IT AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS STATED IS THAT EVERYBODY GETS THE HOLIDAY WHETHER YOU WORK OR NOT. 
          AND THAT'S HOW THEY STARTED ACCUMULATING ALL THESE HOLIDAY HOURS. 
          YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WITH VOUCHER BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD NEVER COMPENSATED, OH, IT'S HIGH. 
          YOU GOT PEOPLE WITH TWO, 300 HOURS OF HOLIDAY TIME OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WOW. 
          AND I THINK BACK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE YEAR WE HAD THE, UH, 12 FURLOUGH DAYS MM-HMM . 
          THAT WAS EXACERBATED. 
          IT WAS BECAUSE YOU HAD THE HIRE PI. 
          MM-HMM. 
          NO, IT, IT WAS PRETTY BAD. 
          SO, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN IN POLICY. 
          I MEAN THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW, IT'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. 
          MANY, MANY YEARS I GUESS. 
          WELL IT JUST KEEPS ACCRUING, ACCRUING, ACCRUING. 
          AND SO THEY DON'T EVER GET TO USE THEIR HOLIDAY TIME YEAH. 
          OFF. 
          AND SO IT, THEIR HOURS JUST KEEP ACCRUING AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR COMES AROUND, THEY GET 12 HOLIDAYS AND THEY DON'T GET TO USE IT. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT, SO IT'S LIKE THEIR HOURS JUST KEEP ACCRUING. 
          AND SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT HOLIDAY TIME. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR COMP TIME DOWN. 
          'CAUSE COMP TIME HAS LEGALLY HAS TO BE BELOW A CERTAIN TIME AND THEN THEY USE THEIR VACATION BECAUSE VACATION DROPS OFF. 
          SO ALL THEY'RE WORRYING ABOUT IS VACATION AND COMP TIME. 
          THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT HOLIDAY TIME. 
          SO IT JUST KEEPS GROWING. 
          I'M GLAD SHERIFFS GOTTA TO TAKE IT. 
          I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ABOUT THIS AND DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVE GONE TO, WELL, SOUNDS LIKE SHOULDA DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          FUNERAL LEAVE. 
          UM, UH, FOR THE JUDGE, ACTUALLY I ADDED THIS ON THE FUNERAL LEAVE RIGHT NOW THEY ONLY GET THE OLD POLICY OR THE CURRENT POLICY IS 24 HOURS, UH, FOR IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND THEN FOUR HOURS FOR ANYBODY ELSE. 
          WE ADDED, UH, 24 HOURS FOR IMMEDIATE FAMILY, EIGHT HOURS FOR 
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NON IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND THEN FOUR HOURS FOR ANYBODY ELSE. 
          AND NON IMMEDIATE FAMILY WOULD INCLUDE, UM, MY AUNT, UNCLE, NIECE, NEPHEW, A GREAT GRANDPARENT OR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN OF THE EMPLOYEE OR THE EMPLOYEE SPOUSE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S DAY FOR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDCHILDREN, EMPLOYEES, AND THEN THEIR PARENTS. 
          AND ABOUT LIKE I'VE GOT SITUATION WHERE OUR HAVE TO FUNERAL TOMORROW. 
          HIS MOTHER PASSED AWAY. 
          HIS MOTHER, HE GETS UP TO 24 HOURS. 
          MOTHER, CAN THEY GO TO THE FUNERAL TOMORROW? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FOUR HOURS. 
          FOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          THE EMPLOYEE, YEAH, THEY GOT FOUR HOURS. 
          FOUR HOURS. 
          FOUR HOURS FOR ANYBODY ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S UNDER, UH, OTHER, OTHER LEAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY GET FOUR HOURS FOR ANYBODY ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WANNA CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          UM, FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE. 
          MOVING DOWN TO PAGE 34, I JUST ADDED THE WORD THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FOR, UM, FARM, UM, MILITARY FAMILY. 
          THEY GET LIKE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FROM MEDICAL LEAVE. 
          WE NEVER INTO THAT PROBLEM THAT, THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THERE. 
          WORDING ON A BUNCH OF STUFF, CHANGING ON ANYTHING. 
          ON PAGE 53, ON THE PLEA PERIODS AND TIME SHEETS, I ADDED SOME WORDING ABOUT HOW EMPLOYEES SHOULD FILL OUT THEIR TIME SHEETS ON THE NON EXEMPT EXEMPTION TOYS. 
          UM, IF WE EVER GET THIS ELECTRONIC TIME SHEET STUFF IN PLACE, THEN THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED TO CHANGE BUT ONLY KNOW THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO, UM, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT'S HOW TIME SHEET SHOULD BE DONE. 
          GOT IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WHERE ARE WE ON THE ELECTRONIC TIME? WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET, UM, ST. 
          W PAYROLL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK ST. 
          W'S TEMPTED TO WORK WITH PAYROLL. 
          PAYROLL'S BEEN READY TO GO SINCE JANUARY 1ST. 
          ALL OF OUR TRAINING MONEY HAS BEEN USED AFTER FIXING TO BILL US ABOUT $17,000 FOR THE TRAINING AND WE'RE STILL NOT ON THE PAYROLL SYSTEM. 
          AND I CHECKED WITH, UH, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, TY, AND UH, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, REMEDIED VERY QUICKLY, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN PUT INTO PLACE AS WE HAD ANTICIPATED IT TO BE. 
          UH, SO, SO WHO'S THIS? WHAT'S THE HOLD UP? THE TREASURER, THE HOLD UP OR? I, THAT'S PROBABLY A DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE IN CLOSED SESSION PERHAPS, BUT, UH, UH, IT IT, BOTTOM LINE IS IT JUST HADN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND IT SHOULD, SHOULD BEEN. 
          AND UH, THEY'RE PROBABLY, UH, WELL, I AM I RIGHT JOHN? PROBABLY. 
          LET'S END THAT DISCUSSION NOW. 
          MOVING ON, ON PAGE 56, I HAD A NOTE ON MY PHONE. 
          JENNY HAD TALKED TO ME ABOUT THE COMPENSATION. 
          I HAD A NOTE HERE THAT YOU HAD A QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, UH, UH, AUDIT BY THE TEXAS JAIL STANDARDS COMMISSION SHOWED THAT THE SHERIFF OR JAIL PEOPLE DIDN'T WORK FOR LIKE 113 DAYS A YEAR. 
          OH YEAH. 
          TOTAL. 
          AND, UH, I WAS JUST REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN NO OTHER DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, OPERATES UNDER THAT, THAT FEW DAYS OF ACTUALLY BEING A ONLY JOB. 
          I DUNNO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY HAVE 28 DAY WORK PERIODS AND, AND THEY HAVE LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE DIFFERENT SET OF RULES AS FAR AS THEY OPERATE UNDER COMP TIME AND THE AMOUNT OF 
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COMP TIME THEY CAN ACCRUE. 
          AND, AND MY QUESTION, IS THAT NORMAL FOR EVERY COUNTY OR? WELL, THEY OPERATE UNDER THE 2 0 7 K PLAN. 
          SO THEY, IT A 28 DAY WORK SCHEDULE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ACCRUE FOUR 20, UM, COMP TIME WHERE WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO TWO 40. 
          AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. 
          THAT'S THE PLAN THAT WE ADOPTED. 
          THE UNDER. 
          THAT'S, BUT THAT'S NORMAL FOREVER. 
          YEAH. 
          FOUR DAYS ON, FOUR DAYS OFF, WE WORK SHIFT. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT, WHEN THAT, UM, AUDIT WAS DONE, A LOT OF THAT INCLUDED THE HOLIDAY TIME, WHICH IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE HOPING TO FIX. 
          RIGHT. 
          A LOT OF THAT INCLUDED THE, A LOT OF THAT INCLUDED THE COMP TIME BECAUSE THEY A LOT OF COMP TIME BECAUSE A LOT INCLUDED VACATION TIME, WHICH VACATION TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN THERE SO LONG AGO, BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. 
          THEY GREW A LOT OF VACATION TIME. 
          SO THAT WAS ALL FACTORED WITH THAT AUDIT. 
          I TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT, I'M JUST RIGHT EXPLAINING IT. 
          I'VE READ THAT, THAT STUDY ABOUT THE COMMISSION AND I, I'VE READ IT HALF DOZEN TIMES. 
          I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          YES. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER. 
          THE WAY IT WAS CALCULATED OUT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WAS, THE ONLY THING I CAN FIGURE IS THAT THEY FACTORED IN ALL THOSE TIMES THAT IF EVERYBODY USED THOSE TIMES, THOSE DAYS, ALL OF THEIR TIME THAT THEY HAD OR THAT THEY RECEIVED, I DUNNO WHERE THE INFORMATION CAME FROM, BUT THERE'S NO WAY THOSE DAYS COULD HAVE BEEN USED. 
          I MEAN, THEY GOT MORE COUNTED FOR MORE SICK DAYS THAN THEY'RE ALLOWED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T, EVEN IF SOMEBODY IS ON EXTENDED FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE, WHATEVER, YOU PUT A COUPLE YEARS EXTRA IN THE SICK DAYS, YOU STILL CAN'T DAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED, THEY'RE ONLY ACCRUE 12 DAYS A YEAR AND THERE WAS MORE 12 MORE THAN 12 DAYS ON THERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT AUDIT WAS DONE CORRECTLY. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY WERE GIVING CORRECT INFORMATION. 
          JUST THINGS DIDN'T ADD UP, JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THEY, AN EMPLOYEE CAN ONLY ACCRUE 12, SIX DAYS A YEAR NO MATTER HOW YOU CASH. 
          YOU GOTTA GET A  BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T ACCRUE MORE THAN 20 A YEAR. 
          YOU ACCRUE EIGHT HOURS A MONTH, THAT'S ALL YOU CAN ACCRUE. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          ANY EMPLOYEE AC YOU CAN'T MORE THAN THAT. 
          AND THERE WAS LIKE 30 OR SOMETHING ON THERE. 
          IT WAS A LARGE NUMBER. 
          AND SO UNLESS THEY USED THEIR BALANCE OR SOMETHING, UNLESS THEY WERE ACCOUNTING FOR THEM USING MORE THAN WHAT THEY APPROVED, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DUNNO. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, BUDGET. 
          UM, THE LONGEVITY ONE, WE'VE WORKED AT THIS ONE, BUT I GOT A COMPLAINT THAT ONCE SOMEBODY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, SO I JUST REWORDED IT TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR. 
          ALL I DID WAS ADD, UM, THAT SAYS LIKE IF THE PERSON SAYS, UM, WE'RE 10 YEARS IS AFTER 10 YEARS, THE, UH, INITIAL FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT DATE, A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE WILL RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL 3% LONGEVITY PAY TO EQUAL AN AMOUNT OF 6%. 
          ONE EMPLOYEE CALL THINKING THEY WERE GONNA GET 6% ON TOP OF THEIR 3% EQUAL 9%. 
          SO I JUST CLARIFIED, THAT'S ALL I DID WITH THAT. 
          UM, ON THE WORK SCHEDULE THING, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ON A DIFFERENT WORK SCHEDULE THAN US. 
          THEIR WORK DAY STARTS ON A MONDAY AND ENDS ON A SUNDAY, AND OURS STARTS ON A SATURDAY AND ENDS ON FRIDAY. 
          SO I'M HOPING WE GET THE NEW TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM THAT IS CORRECTED, BUT THIS IS PER POLICY. 
          THIS SHOULD BE OUR WORK SCHEDULE AND WORK WEEK. 
          AND UM, I HAD ANOTHER THING TOO. 
          ON PAGE 59, YOU HAD SAID THAT, UM, YOU HAD MARKED THAT THE OVER, I HAD MARKED THAT YOU HAD QUESTION ABOUT THAT OVERTIME BE APPROVED BY ELECTED OFFICIAL PRIOR TO MARKED BY, THAT'S NOT IN THE POLICY, BUT MAKE, MAKE, I MEAN THAT FALLS BACK ON THE THEY DON'T SIGN OFF FOR SHOULDN'T GET IT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD SOMETHING. 
          YEAH, I, HOW TO DO PAGE 66, THE MIDDLE 
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TOBACCO POLICY. 
          THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ONES FOR Y'ALL TO DECIDE ON WHICH ONE Y'ALL WANT GO ON. 
          WHICH BETTER ONE'S? NO, THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, NO TOBACCO, NOT JUST SMOKING. 
          THIS IS TOBACCO. 
          ANY TOBACCO PRODUCTS WHATSOEVER THAT INCLUDES DIPPING. 
          I'VE BEEN SEEING TONS OF DIPPING AND SPITTING IN CUPS LIKE YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE GOING ON IN THE COURTHOUSE. 
          I WALK UP TO PEOPLE WITH WADS OF DIP AND I'M LIKE, WHY IS THIS OKAY? REALLY? YES, IT'S DISGUSTING. 
          I WALKED BY A TABLE THE OTHER DAY, MY WIFE, I WALKED BY A TABLE THE OTHER DAY AND SOMEONE HAD LEFT THEIR SPIT CUP ON THE TABLE. 
          I REMEMBER THE DAY WHEN PEOPLE USED TO HAVE SPITTOONS IN THEIR OFFICES. 
          IT'S DISGUSTING. 
          AND THEY JUST LEFT IT SITTING ON THE TABLE. 
          SO THIS, OKAY, SO THIS INCLUDES ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS. 
          WE'RE NOT PICKING ON SMOKERS. 
          LET THIS NOTE, WE ARE NOT PICKING ON SMOKERS. 
          IT'S ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS. 
          I PROBABLY NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE OBSERV BECAUSE I CAN HONESTLY, I'M NOT SEEN ANYBODY IN THE COURTHOUSE DID SNOW. 
          THEY PROBABLY HAD IT FROM YOU. 
          THEY DID. 
          THEY DID ALL I GUESS MAYBE I'M NOT, THERE'S LIKE A BIG, THEY DON'T, IT'S LIKE A BIG WALL AND THEY'RE LOOKING. 
          I'M NOT DO YOU NOT, YOU'RE TRYING TO TALK TO ME AND YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'RE SAYING BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING. 
          AND I, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, OR CAN I ASK, I WAS LOOKING AT IT, THE POLICY IS IS FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, IS IS THERE LIKE A SIMILAR THING OF COUNTY BUILDINGS? NO TOBACCO. 
          WHAT ABOUT COUNTY VEHICLE? BECAUSE I POST, BECAUSE I I'M THINKING OR OTHER STUFF. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO POST IT ON BUILDING. 
          SHOULD THAT SHOULD THE NO SMOKING SIGN AND THE COURT HAS BE SHANE CHANGED TO SAY NO, NO TOBACCO OF ANY KIND? I THINK SO. 
          I MEAN EVERYTHING ALWAYS LIKE A, ON THAT WAY, THAT WAY IT COVERS DIPPING, DIP, STOOLS, TOBACCO PRODUCT. 
          I'M STILL ON THE ROAD QUITTING, BUT UH, UH, THAT DIPPING IS, IS GETTING BIT NASTY THING BECAUSE I, I'VE PICKED UP SEVERAL DIP CUPS AROUND HERE AND THERE AT THE COURTHOUSE AND JUST PUT 'EM IN THE TRACKS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, I MEAN, SITTING AROUND JUST NASTY OR YOU GET, YOU GET 'EM KICKED OVER AND IT'S A DANG MESS AND SOMEBODY FALL DOWN AND ALL THAT WATER BOTTLE I'LL SHOW YOU NEXT, LEMME SHOW YOU. 
          THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT DR. 
          PEPPER, THAT . 
          SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO TO CHOOSE NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO? YEAH, THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED. 
          THE FIRST OPTION IS JUST NO TOBACCO PRODUCTS INSIDE COUNTY VEHICLES, COUNTY BUILDINGS OR WITHIN 25 FEET OF ANY ENTRANCE TO A COUNTY BUILDING. 
          THE SECOND ONE IS NO TOBACCO PRODUCTS ON ANY COUNTY PROPERTY EXCEPT IN, EXCEPT IN THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES. 
          AND I PLAGIARIZED THAT FROM THE ROCKWALL COUNTY, UH, POLICY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE'S THE BEST ONE DO I JUST THREW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ROCKWALL DOES. 
          IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST SAID NO TO TOBACCO USE ON ANY COUNTY PROPERTY. 
          I THINK I'D UNLESS YOU YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SPECIFY IT'S IN THE COUNTY VEHICLES ALSO. 
          I MEAN I, I LIKE TO HAVE THAT SPECIFIED BECAUSE WELL, OUR CURRENTS ON. 
          YEAH, THE FIRST ONE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE BASICALLY IS YOU GET WITHIN 25 FEET OF A DOOR. 
          THE SECOND ONE, YOU CAN'T DO ANYWHERE ON COUNTY PROPERTY UNLESS YOU'RE IN YOUR OWN CAR. 
          CHICKEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHICH THE BEST ONE, I DON'T PERSONALLY, IF WE GO WITH OPTION NUMBER ONE, I SEE THAT'D BE A LOT MORE THAN 25 FEET IN THE DOOR BECAUSE THE NONSMOKERS HAVE TO WALK THE THAT'S GONNA START HAPPENED. 
          OUR PEOPLE WOULD, UH, JUST WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE EIGHT OR SIX PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, STANDING ACROSS THE STREET SMOKING, BUT IT WAS OFF THE PROPERTY AND THEY, YOU KNOW, SURPRISING THEY DO THAT IN ALL KINDS OF WEATHER. 
          I'M, I'M STILL, I'M STILL PASSING THE DEAL AND I TELL YOU WHAT, UH, ANY KIND OF TOBACCO ADDICTION IS, IS A, IT'S A, IT'S A BAD THING. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I JUST, I FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, 
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WHO, UH, NEED TO SMOKE, YOU KNOW, ARE ARE STILL SMOKING AND, AND UH, YOU KNOW, THEY GOING TO SMOKE DURING THE DAY AND IF YOU MAKE IT, IF YOU MAKE IT WHERE THEY GOTTA RUN PLUM ACROSS THE STREET OUT THERE TO SMOKE, THEY GOING TO DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTION THEY GONNA DROP THE BALL AT THEIR JOB. 
          THEY GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CIGARETTE. 
          IT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND UH, IF YOU PUT IT ON, I MEAN, CAN'T THERE BE A DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA? IN OTHER WORDS, WE, WE TRIED THAT AND, AND THE SCHOOL BUSINESS, YOU CAN'T, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE IN THE COUNTY BUSINESS, JOHN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE A CHANCE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS. 
          I KNOW AT THE COURTHOUSE, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF IT AT THE BIG COURTHOUSE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SMOKE AND IF YOU SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T SMOKE ON COUNTY PROPERTY, IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAY, THEY GOING TO BE STANDING ACROSS THE STREET OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW MUCH TIME LOST IS THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE, WELL, I MEAN, HOW MUCH TIME IS LOST NOW? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN YOU GOT A LOT OF TIME LOST ANYWAY TO GO, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN SAY, WELL I I'M JUST NOT GONNA SMOKE ANYMORE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST, IT IS NOT THAT EASY. 
          KINDA LIKE NOT EATING, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A TERRIBLE TIME. 
          BEEN FIGHTING IT OVER A YEAR. 
          YOU, IS THERE ANY KIND OF PROGRAMS AVAILABLE TO YEAH, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF, YEAH, YOU CAN CALL TAG AND THEY DON'T DO SQUAT FOR YOU BECAUSE IVE CALLED, WE'VE GOT PROGRAMS WITH OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          I'LL CALL THEM. 
          THEY'LL DO SQUAT FOR YOU? WELL, THEY PAY LIKE, UM, THEY DIDN'T PAY ME NOTHING. 
          WELL THEY, THEY DIDN'T GIMME ANY NO AID WHATSOEVER EVER FOR PATCHES, ANYTHING. 
          THEY WANT TO SEND YOU A LITTLE OLD PACKET OF STUFF THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THIS AND THEN CALL ME IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE SMOKING. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, ON FRIDAY EVENING, ABOUT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND YOU'RE SITTING THERE GOING NUMBER SAYS I'M TIRED FROM EIGHT TO FOUR FOR LIKE THE MEDICINE THEY CONSIDER THE COVERED FOR, YOU KNOW, I, I CHECK, I CALLED EVERY NUMBER THAT WAS AVAILABLE. 
          COUNTY EMPLOYEES. 
          I TALKED TO A GAL DOWN THERE UNTIL I WAS READY TO PULL MY FUZZ OUT, . 
          AND I MADE HER MAD, MADE ME MAD AND I JUST STOOD MY HANDS AT HER. 
          I SAID, I DON'T EVER TALK TO ME AGAIN. 
          AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. 
          I MEAN, OF COURSE I WAS ALREADY, WELL, YOU NEED A CIGARETTE AT THAT TIME I WAS ALREADY, YEAH, ABOUT A WEEK, 10 DAYS, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HELP YOU AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT JUST CAN'T GET IT. 
          AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO ARE STILL SMOKING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT SMOKING AT THIS TIME, I COULD BACKSLIDE ANY MINUTE BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT EVERY DAY. 
          AND I'VE GOTTA, I JUST FEEL LIKE I GOTTA KIND OF STICK UP FOR THEM AND NOT HAVE 'EM STANDING ACROSS THE STREET OVER THERE AND THEIR SUPERVISORS STANDING OUT THERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO BACK TO WORK. 
          LET'S GO BACK TO WORK. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN IF THEY DO GO BACK TO WORK, THEY'RE GOING IN THERE AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, TWITCHING AROUND EVERYTH THINKING. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IS GETTING THAT CIGARETTE. 
          WELL, AND AS A NON-SMOKER, I HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THEM. 
          AND I HATE WALKING IN THAT BACK DOOR AND GETTING HIT BY A PUFF OF SMOKE. 
          I KNOW. 
          I DIDN'T TOO. 
          'CAUSE WHEN IT'S COLD AND RAINY, THEY WILL CRAWL IN AT THAT BACK DOOR. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S SIX ONE HALF DOZEN UP. 
          YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA PULL FOR THEM TOO, YOU KNOW. 
          I DO. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND AND UNDERSTAND. 
          THERE OUGHT TO BE, THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMEPLACE THEY CAN STAND OUT THERE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE BUT, BUT IF YOU SAY ON ANY COUNTY PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THEY GOING TO HAVE TO WALK OFF THE, OFF THE COURTHOUSE PROPERTY AND STAND ACROSS THE SQUARE IN THERE, OUT THE WIND SOMEWHERE. 
          WELL MAYBE CAN WE GO BACK AND CHECK AND SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA? IS THAT SOMETHING, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA AT EACH LOCATION. 
          WELL, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE, UH, WELL LET'S JUST PULL THE OFF ANY COUNTY PROPERTY OFF THE, OFF THE TABLE. 
          'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'D BE A, SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO BE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO IMPLEMENT AND BE HARD ON. 
          A LOT OF IT'S GONNA BE HARD. 
          I READ, I QUIT DIPPING ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO AND I TOOK A DIP RIGHT NOW HAD, I KNOW I'D LOVE TO, BUT IT'S AN ADDICTION THAT YOU TO GET OVER. 
          WHAT DID YOU SUGGEST TO STAND OVER? TAKE IT OFF, TAKE OFF THE TABLE ABOUT JUST ALL KIND PROBLEM NUMBER TWO ON THERE. 
          WE JUST DON'T, WE DON'T CONSIDER JUST BATTING TOBACCO USE ALTOGETHER ANYWHERE ON GANG PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT IF WE GO WITH NUMBER ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE DOORS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT DIPPING NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT. 
          I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE LEFT IN THERE AND 
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THERE NEEDS TO BE SIGNS POSTED AND ALL THIS COURTHOUSES. 
          IT WILL BE NO DIPPING OR NO TOBACCO USE WHATSOEVER INSIDE THE COURTHOUSES OR WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF THE DOOR. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S JUST TAKE THIS BUILDING FOR EXAMPLE. 
          WHERE, WHAT, WHERE WOULD THEY GO OUT HERE ON HIGHWAY 34 OR SO? IF YOU, IF YOU SAID 25 FEET RIGHT NOW, ONE, YOU'D GOTTA GET 25 FEET AWAY FROM THE DOOR TO BED. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN 25 FEET. 
          HOW FAR IS 25 FEET? I HAVE NO DISTANCE. 
          25 FEET IS NOT AS FAR FROM HERE TO THERE ABOUT FROM HERE TO WHERE CARRYING, SITTING. 
          YOU'LL PUT ME OUT IN THE RAIN. 
          BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          I SITTING MY COFFEE HERE, I'M GONNA SMOKE, I'M GONNA SMOKE. 
          WELL HOW FAR, LIKE HOW FAR IS FAR ENOUGH? WHAT DO YOU OH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          WELL, MY CURRENT POLICY SAYS 10 FEET. 
          WELL ANNIE, ALL FAIRNESS TO KAREN. 
          I THINK SHE'S THE ONLY ONE UP HERE IN THIS BUILDING THAT SMOKES. 
          BUT SHE'LL GO OUT ON THE PICNIC TABLES. 
          YOU DON'T WALK THROUGH IT. 
          UM, IF SOMEBODY ELSE SMOKES, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL GO OUT TO THE FRONT PART HERE WHERE NOBODY USES. 
          I MEAN WE SYMPATHY ODD, WE'RE OKAY OUT HERE. 
          MY ISSUE IS WITH EMPLOYEE AND THEY SPILL IT IN SIDE THE COUNTY VEHICLE AND DON'T CLEAN IT UP. 
          BUT ANYWAY, , NO MATTER ONE, WHETHER IT'S A DOOR DISTANCE OR NOT, COUNTY VEHICLES ARE OFF LIMITS EQUIPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW YOU GONNA ENFORCE THAT? YEAH. 
          HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE IT? GET TICKETS? CASE. 
          CASE SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN OPERATE GOT CIGARETTE, BUS OR ASHE, THE FLOOR. 
          IS THAT WELL, THE DORM, I THINK IT SAYS IT COULD BE CAUSE FOR TERMINATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. 
          SO IF I HAD, IF I HAD SOMEBODY I TOLD 'EM TO SMOKE, THEY DID SMOKE, I COULD FIRE 'EM. 
          I COULD NOT FIRE HIM. 
          I'D SAY OKAY, BUT HOW MANY CHANCE BE, TO BE FAIR THOUGH, HOW MANY CHANCES DID YOU GIVE THEM DOCUMENTED? IT SAYS, IT SAYS IN HERE THAT THEY MAY BE DISCIPLINED UP TO AND INCLUDING DISCHARGE MAY. 
          SO I MAY, I MAY NOT WANT BUY THE, IT'S THERE IN DISCRETION BACK ON THE, THE 25 FEET, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE COURTHOUSE. 
          UH, I MEAN IT'S OPEN BACK DOORS. 
          I DOUBT IF THEY'RE EVEN 25 FEET TO THE BENCH CURB. 
          NO, IT'S A LONG HOW FAR IS THAT BENCH? THAT BENCH IS ABOUT 25 FEET. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S FINE RIGHT AT BECAUSE I'M SITTING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE LIKE, THERE'S LITTLE ASHTRAYS ON THAT LITTLE BENCH AND STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I REALLY DON'T WANT BE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE TAPE MEASURE AND SAY, ALRIGHT, YOU GUYS GOTTA MOVE ANOTHER SIX FEET. 
          . 
          YEAH, I GET IT FROM THE DOOR. 
          SO I MEAN WE CAN LOOK UP THE DESIGNATED AREA. 
          OH, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE BACK DOOR EITHER? NO, THEY SMOKE RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT DOOR. 
          OH YEAH. 
          RIGHT IN THE WIND BLOWING OUT SOUTH RIGHT IN THE CORNER. 
          SOON THEY GET OUTSIDE RIGHT THERE. 
          THEY'RE LIGHTING UP RIGHT THERE WHERE THE OTHER PUBLIC HAS TO. 
          IT'LL BE RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT PRODUCT ONE ENTRANCE. 
          IT'S A BYPRODUCT OF ONE PUBLIC ENTRANCE, SO MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          THEY CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET IN AND OUT TO BACK ENTRANCE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE MAGIC CAR NOW. 
          I THINK THE CITY'S GOT IN THEIR, UH, BUILDING CODE OR WHATEVER THEY, THEIR ORDINANCES. 
          I THINK THE CITY'S GOT IT MANDATED THAT IT'S 25 FEET AWAY FROM THE ENTRANCE OF ANY PUBLIC BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S ALREADY MANDATED WITHIN THE CITY OF KAUFMAN. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          MY BOSS HAS PUT, MY BOSS HAS POINTED THAT OUT TO ME A COUPLE OF TIMES. 
          I FALL OFF THE WAGON. 
          TOM WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EVICTION. 
          I FELL OFF THE WAGON, BOUGHT A PACK LAST NIGHT AND I QUIT TWO YEARS AGO AND I FALL OFF ABOUT EVERY SIX MONTHS. 
          SO, WELL, LET'S CHECK WITH THE CITY OR TOO, COME BACK. 
          WELL, I MEAN THIS ONE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 10 FEET. 
          OUR POLICY SAYS 10 FEET, WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE IN THE BUILDING. 
          THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          I'D SAY 25 OR 30. 
          WELL, I GUESS WE NEED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE CITY ORDINANCE SAYS TOO, BECAUSE I THINK WE, IT'S ALREADY A CITY ORDINANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CITY. 
          SO, SO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD'S GOING TO ENFORCE THE, THE DEAL NO MATTER WHAT. 
          THEY HAD THE OPTION TO TERMINATE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, SAY, UH, SAY IT IS COLD, WET, RAINY TODAY AND, AND SOMEBODY'S STANDING OUT THERE RIGHT HERE AT THE BACK DOOR SMOKING, YOU KNOW, AND WHOEVER WALKED BY OR WHATEVER, THEY GOING TO PORT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THE DEPART HEAD OR TAKE ACTION OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WALK OUT THERE AND SAY, QUIT THAT SMOKING. 
          YEAH. 
          DID HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK WITH ANY OTHER COUNTIES TO, 
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TO SEE ABOUT HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THIS? I I ENFORCING IT? YES. 
          NO, NOT ENFORCING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, IT IS A PERSON ADDICTED TO A DEAN'S DRUG. 
          I MEAN, HOW IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GONNA, I MEAN, HOW YOU GONNA GO UP TO 'EM AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GOING DO? I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA ENFORCE IT OR, WELL, UNLESS, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU GET IN OUR HIP POCKET ON IT. 
          WELL, AND LIKE IF WE CAN HAVE A DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA, LIKE AT THE MAIN COURTHOUSE, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S OUR MAIN PROBLEM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND FOR SOME REASON I THINK WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          I MAY BE TOTALLY OFF, SO IT'D BE WORTH CHECKING OUT. 
          SEE YEAH. 
          AND WE CAN HAVE A MAYBE A LITTLE COVERED AREA OR SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID OUT HERE, I MEAN IF, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE AREA OR THEY MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE AREA. 
          I DUNNO. 
          NO, I DON'T, NOTHING. 
          WE CAN CHECK. 
          I'M NOT ON BUILD ANYTHING AT MY PLACE. 
          THEY SMOKE, GET THEIR CAR, THE TECH OFFICE UP THERE. 
          DALLAS SMOKE AREA, THEY GOT NO SMOKING, BUT THEY GOT A SMOKING AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I GUESS THEY DO. 
          I THINK THE SCHOOLS IS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STATE AND THEN THE SCHOOL WORKERS OVER HERE BECAUSE LIKE SOME OF THESE TREES OVER HERE SMOKE. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          YEAH, THEY DO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVE ON. 
          I'M TRYING TO, OKAY. 
          UM, ON PAGE SEVEN FIVE, THIS IS THE NEXT, THE COUNTY VEHICLE POLICY. 
          UM, I UPDATED, I DID SOME MORE RESEARCH AND UM, CURRENTLY, UM, WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THAT IS PAYING THE COUNTY TO USE HIS VEHICLE TO COMMUTE. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT IS INCORRECT. 
          IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE THIS WAY. 
          SO THIS IS A COUNTY VEHICLE POLICY THAT I HAVE CREATED, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO EMPLOYEES W2 AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, IT IS CONSIDERED A FRINGE BENEFIT FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO USE A COUNTY VEHICLE TO COMMUTE TO FROM WORK. 
          UM, SO I, IT IT A BRIDGE BENEFIT. 
          SO THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED A DOLLAR 53 AWAY. 
          SO THREE A DAY. 
          THEY SHOULD NOT BE CHARGED FOR DAYS IF THEY DON'T USE IT. 
          SO IF THEY'RE SICK AND THEY DON'T USE THE VEHICLE OR THEY'RE ON VACATION, THEY DON'T NEED THE VEHICLE, THEY SHOULD NOT BE CHARGED FOR THOSE DAYS. 
          SO, UM, THE BEST SOLUTION THAT I CAN COME UP WITH IS WHEN WE GET OUR NEW, UM, RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE A MANUAL POPULATION AND THEN ADDING IT TO W TWOS AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          BUT WHEN WE GET OUR NEW, UM, ELECTRONIC TIME SHEETS, WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT DAYS THEY WORK, HOW MANY DAYS THEY WORKED, AND THE YEAR CALCULATED UP AND ADDED ON THERE WOULD TWO RATHER THAN EMPLOYEE PAYING THREE A DAY. 
          I KNOW WHY THAT WAS. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BEEN DONE. 
          THIS IS ROAD SUPERVISOR, I SUPERVISOR ONE A DAY AND I I REALLY SEE THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHARGE, BUT FROM THE GET GO, THEY CALLED THAT BACK A LONG TIME AGO FOR ROAD AND PAYING $3 A DAY. 
          HE'S THE ONLY, ONLY ONE THAT'S EVER BEEN PAID $60 A MONTH. 
          60 A MONTH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DRIVE 80, ABOUT 80, WHAT IS IT? 87 MILES TRIP. 
          BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING, WELL THIS IS TREE DOWN OR SOMETHING HAPPENS, HE'S RIGHT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN HE, I MEAN, AND THAT'S FINE. 
          AND HE HAS THE, I MEAN HE CAN DO THAT AND THE ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN DESIGNATE A PERSON TO DO THAT AND HE CAN USE THAT. 
          I, I I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A REAL ADVANTAGE TO DO THE W2. 
          I LOOKED AT THE IRS FORM, DID KIND OF A ROUGH CALCULATION. 
          AND IF YOU FIGURE THAT YOU'D HAVE 20 DAYS A MONTH, SO $60 A MONTH, THEN YOU FIGURE OUT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, THAT'S $120. 
          AND IF YOU GOT A W2 FOR THAT, AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH DEDUCTIONS FOR THAT, AND IF YOU'RE PAYING TAX ON IT, 
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I'M ASSUMING YOU PAY TAXES AT A 20% RATE. 
          I'VE WORKED ALL THE MATH OUT ON THIS THING, YOU PAYING ABOUT $120 A YEAR IN TAXES. 
          AND SO THE CHOICE IS PAYING $60 A MONTH OUT OF POCKET OR EFFECTIVELY PAYING $10 A MONTH IN TAXES, THEN THAT BECOMES AN EASY, HEY, I, AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE DEDUCTIONS TO OFFSET IT AND YOU MAY HAVE DEDUCTIONS TO OFFSET IT. 
          SO YOU MAY PAY NO TAXES ON IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'VE GOT OTHER EXPENSES, THIS ISSUE FOR THE COUNTY WITH PEOPLE, YEAH. 
          CARS HOME AT NIGHT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH, WHERE THEY WORK AT. 
          I THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT IS EXEMPT, BUT APART FROM THE NIGHTMARE OF THE PAPERWORK OF GOING BACK AND FORTH, I WAS THINKING, MAN, IF YOU PUT IT AND SAY, OKAY, I GOT A W2 FOR THIS MUCH FOR EVERY DAY, BOOM. 
          IN ONE SENSE IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT, BUT THE POSSIBLE TAX AND, AND YOUR EXPOSURE REALLY IS NOT VERY MINE. 
          IF I HAD TO PAY $10 A MONTH TAXES VERSUS $60 A MONTH TO THE COUNTY, I'D RATHER PAY 10. 
          I DO THAT EVERY DAY. 
          BUT ANY EMPLOYEE, NOT JUST YOUR ROAD SUPERVISOR, ANY EMPLOYEE BESIDES LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DRIVING A COUNTY VEHICLE WORK SHOULD BE, IS CONSIDERED FOR GENETIC. 
          IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES THAT ARE CLEARLY MARKED. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, WE HAVE SOME INVESTIGATORS THAT ARE UNKNOWN. 
          I THINK, I THINK THE IRS CODE SAYS IT'S CLEARLY MARKED BECAUSE THAT QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN I WAS TAKING, WHEN I WAS TAKING THE, USING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT VEHICLE, AND I WAS EXEMPT FROM THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE ON 24 HOUR CALL OUT, YOU'RE AT ANY TIME AND THE VEHICLE IS MARKED, YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM CONSIDERING THAT THAT IS A  IF SAYS 24 HOUR THING, IT'S CLEARLY MARKED. 
          IF IT'S UNMARKED, UH, AN THE EMPLOYER MUST OFFICIALLY AUTHORIZE PERSONAL USE MM-HMM . 
          SO IF, I GUESS WE'RE THE EMPLOYER SO THAT WE COULD, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE INVESTIGATORS OUT THERE WITH A MARKED CARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU DON'T WANT HAVE TO SEND THEM A 10 99 OR TWO ON THEIR DEAL USAGE. 
          BUT WHEN THE RS RULE SAYS THAT, I GUESS TO BE OFFICIALLY, IF THEY CAME TO THE COURT AND WE SAID, OKAY, THIS GUY DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A MARKED VEHICLE, THIS GUY DOESN'T HAVE A MARKED VEHICLE, THEN THEY'RE ACTING LEGAL ON THAT. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SENDING THEM A BUILDING UP FOR USE THAT VEHICLE. 
          WHY WOULD IT NOT APPLY TO EVEN MARKED VEHICLES? THE MARKED, THE MARKED VEHICLE ENFORCE CODE SAYS THAT MARKED VEHICLES ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THAT PROCESS. 
          BUT IF YOU GOT, IF YOU GOT PICKUPS THINGS, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE EXEMPT TOO. 
          IT CAN'T BE, IT CAN'T BE USED FOR EVERYDAY PERSONAL. 
          BUT IF A ROAD SUPERVISOR IN A CLEARLY MARKED PICKUP FOR THE COUNTY, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS GONNA GET TAXED, IT'S NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          WELL I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS THE STATE STATUTE EXEMPTING LAW IS CODE THE CODERS CODE, YOU SAID YOU WERE FROM IT. 
          WHY IS THAT? EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FIT INTO, ITS, IT'S AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FIRE, FIRE RESCUE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN A, IN A MARKED, I BELIEVE WE HAVE VEHICLES ARE BEING USED THAT ARE NOT MARKED. 
          PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE. 
          WELL THERE'S THIS ONE WE PROBABLY WANT COME BACK AND VISIT THE SAME, I I'M NOT TRYING TO RUSH US ON THIS, BUT I I THINK HE IS TOO. 
          I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH MORE, THE REST ARE JUST, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE . 
          I'LL HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS. 
          UH, ON C IT SAYS IN THE EVENT OF AN ACCIDENT INVOLVING THE COUNTY ON BE USED BY COUNTY LAKE OFFICIAL OR COUNTY EMPLOYEES FOR PERSONAL REASON, COUNTY LAKE OFFICIAL OR COUNTY EMPLOYEE WOULD BE FULLY LIABLE FOR ALL DAMAGE AND OR ANSWERS. 
          UH, THAT VEHICLE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR PERSONAL REASONS. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE IN VIOLATION. 
          IN VIOLATION OF POLICY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF THEY'RE USING IT FOR PERSONAL PERSONAL REASON. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          DRIVING, UH, THE, UH, IF THE PERSON WRECKS A VEHICLE 
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OKAY. 
          GOING SAY GOING TO AND FROM WORK AND IT'S AUTHORIZED BY THE SUPERVISOR. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, HE HAS, HE HAS PERMISSION AND ALL THAT STUFF IN THE VEHICLE IS WRECK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DOES THAT NOT APPLY TO HIM BECAUSE NO. 
          GOING, GOING TO AND FROM WORK IS NOT PERSONAL REASON OTHER, THAT, THAT'S JUST A LITTLE, THAT LITTLE GRAY AREA THERE. 
          AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          TO TO, TO AND FROM WORK, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE COVERED BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PERSONAL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT IF IT'S A SATURDAY NIGHT YOU'RE TAKING SOME SOMEONE OUT TO DINNER RIGHT. 
          OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THAT'S PERSONAL USE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF ANNOUNCING A POLICY THAT TAX'S GOING TO ENFORCE ANYWAY 'CAUSE OF TAXES. 
          WHEN DID IT OCCUR? YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE USE AND SO FORTH. 
          AND YOU SAID I WAS COMING TO OR FROM THE OFFICE. 
          WELL THEY'RE GONNA RECOVER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN PUT IN THERE NOT TO INCLUDE DRIVING TROOPER WORK. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO BE MORE CLEAR BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE NO OFFENSE, JOHN MIGHT BE SOME ATTORNEY SOMEDAY TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          I CAN DO IT IN PARENTHESIS. 
          NO OFFENSE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I ENCOUNTERED THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE BEFORE. 
          SO THAT'S, SO YOU'RE SAYING TO AND FROM WORK, THEY NOT GONNA BE COVERED. 
          YES, THEY'LL BE COVERED. 
          I JUST DON'T, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT, THAT THEY NOT CONSIDERED A RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ON PAGE 77 MM-HMM . 
          WHY IS THAT LAST SENTENCE IN THAT LOCATION? BECAUSE IT WAS THERE BEFORE? PROBABLY NO, PROBABLY NO, BECAUSE IT WAS PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT INVENTORY OF VEHICLES AND STUFF. 
          THE INVENTORY REFERENCED ABOVE THAT, I DUNNO, WAS CURIOUS. 
          I THINK IT WAS A DEALBREAKER COMMISSIONER. 
          THERE WAS A SENTENCE ABOUT TON DEPARTMENT MAINTAINS COUNTY INVENTORY AT THE END OF ACCIDENT REPORTING. 
          AND I THINK IT JUST INADVERTENTLY WAS IN THERE. 
          I THINK JUST ENDED UP IN THERE. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS POLICY. 
          IT IS. 
          SO IT WON'T BE STRIP THEN? NO. 
          I'LL JUST HAVE TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          MY QUESTION WAS WHY IS IT UNDER THAT? MAYBE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO STICK IT. 
          I WAS LIKE, LET'S PUT IT, I'M JUST, I BULLET PUT, OH YEAH. 
          ARE YOU 78 YET? PHONE POLICY. 
          Y'ALL APPROVED IT. 
          I JUST COPIED IT. 
          THIS WAS APPROVED IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND I JUST COPIED IT IN THE POLICY COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN AT ONE TIME, JACK, CAN'T ME REMEMBER, DID WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT GETTING UH, A OR CELL PHONE? FURNISH PHONE CELL PHONE. 
          DID THAT Y'ALL WANT OPEN THAT? TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN, JACK, YOU DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON I THING. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO, IT CUTS DOWN ON THE SOFT CALL AS FAR AS PEOPLE, THEIR PHONE IF THEY WANT, CARRY THEIR PHONE, DOESN'T MAKE THE POLICY. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE ABOUT WHAT'S PERSONAL USE. 
          TOO MUCH PERSONAL USE. 
          ARE THEY TEXTING TOO MUCH? THAT TYPE THING. 
          I KNOW INTERNET USE, IT'D BE A LOT EASIER, BUT HONESTLY IF WE STOP, YEAH, I KNOW IT. 
          ONE TIME I LOOKED AT CELL USAGE, I THINK YOU SHOWED IT TO ME OR SOMEBODY SHOWED IT TO ME. 
          WE HAD SOME EMPLOYEES THAT WERE JUST HOME AND THEY WORK BECAUSE THEY ON THE PHONE TALKING ALL THE DAY. 
          I MEAN ABOUT, SO THAT MIGHT BE A, UH, WHAT IS OUR CELL PHONE BILL? WHAT, WHAT IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF IDEA, ANY KIND OF BALLPARK FOR WHAT THE PROBLEM COST IS, WHAT YOU'RE PAYING THAT FOR? I KNOW IT'S BETTER NOW THAN WHAT IT WAS CAME DOWN. 
          YEAH, BUT IT STILL, THE, THE ISSUE I SEE WITH ABOUT 40,000. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ISSUE I, YEAH, BUT IT'S HARD TO, IF YOU'VE GOT A COUNTY CELL PHONE, YOU 
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KNOW, I GET PERSONAL CALLS, YOU GET, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S JUST LIKE ME, THAT'S JUST HARD TO MONITOR. 
          AND I COULD BE SIMPLER PEOPLE, NOT THEIR WHOLE PHONE BILL, BUT THEY STAFFING, MOST PEOPLE CARRY TWO PHONES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A COUNTY PHONE. 
          DO I WANT ONE BECAUSE I JUST BARELY CAN'T HANDLE ONE, TWO OR THREE OF THEM. 
          HOW MANY CELL PHONES ARE, WHICH UH, HAVE YOU PURCHASED RIGHT NOW? DO YOU HAVE ANY WELL, YEAH, YOU SECOND ROAD BRIDGE OR NOT, BUT THAT'S YEAH, PHONE FOR, SORRY. 
          HOW MANY CELL PHONES ARE, ARE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR RIGHT NOW? UH, WELL, UH, WE'RE IN, IN, IN A OVER A HUNDRED PLAN, SO YOU KNOW MORE THAN A HUNDRED. 
          YOU GOT D PS YOU GOT CHROME BRIDGES USED. 
          UH, PROBABLY VERY LEVEL, YOU KNOW, UH, INDIVIDUALS, THE SHERIFF'S, ALL HIS PHONES OUT HIS MONEY. 
          AND WOULD THAT BE TAXABLE IF WE PROVIDED A, UH, IF STOP IT'S SOMETHING ELSE? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND NOT USE PERSONAL ABUSE. 
          THEN THERE'S A FACTOR. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT INFORMATION? THE PHONE? IS THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK BACK AND FORTH AS WHETHER IT'S OR NOT. 
          WELL, THAT'D BE A JOHN DECISION. 
          WELL, THE, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          BUT, BUT IT WOULD REVERSE THE, THE BURDEN BECAUSE IF YOU WERE GETTING A STIPEND FOR PRIVATE PHONE, YOU'D START OUT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL THE CALLS WERE PRIVATE AND, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO CALL OUT THE BUSINESS CALLS AND, AND YOU FLIP IT. 
          IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTY, THEN YOU START OUT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT, IT'S ALL COUNTY BUSINESS, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO PICK IT OUT. 
          SO IN IN THAT SENSE, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A DISCLOSURE STANDPOINT, THAT PROBABLY WOULD WORK BETTER. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, UH, TO HAVE A SITE AND, AND, AND, AND FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY'D PROBABLY FEEL BETTER ABOUT JUST HAVING ONE PHONE. 
          AND I THINK AT ONE TIME WE, I MEAN IT WAS, IT'S MUCH BETTER NOW THAN WHAT IT WAS. 
          BUT AT ONE TIME WE HAD INDIVIDUAL PLANS. 
          NOW IT'S ALL FULL OF MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UH, BUT IT, BUT IT IS KIND OF UNFAIR. 
          IF YOU GOT ONE, YOU MAY HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THE SAME POSITION. 
          ONE GUY'S TALKING 40 HOURS A MONTH NEXT GUY'S TALKING, YOU KNOW, JUST, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THE, YOU LOOK AT WONDER HOW THEY TALK. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          OWN PERSONAL CELL ALMOST. 
          YEAH. 
          JACK BROUGHT IT TO ATTENTION. 
          JACK BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. 
          THERE WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL OVER THE PHONE THAT TOOK THE COUNTY'S SIM CARD OUT AND PUT IT IN HIS PERSONAL PHONE AND USED THE INTERNET OVER THE WEEKEND FOR PERSONAL USE. 
          AND WHEN THE BILL CAME IN AND JACK CAUGHT IT, HE AND GOT AHOLD OF THAT INDIVIDUAL AND SAID, YOU NEED TO TAKE THE CHECK TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. 
          SO IF WE GO TO A STAFF THAT WILL ELIMINATE THAT KIND STUFF THERE, THERE'S A LOT, I WOULD SAY A LOT OF ABUSE. 
          THERE IS ABUSE AND UH, I DUNNO WHO IT'S WHO RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY YOU'RE TALKING TO MUCH ON THE PHONE. 
          THEY COME BACK ALL KIND OF ISSUES TO PROVE. 
          BUT YOU CAN TELL IT'S NOT. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT, IF WE DECIDED, AND I KNOW WE, WE NEED TO GET OFF IT, BUT IF WE DECIDED TO GO TO A STAFF, THEN WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO OUR EXISTING CONTRACT? CAN WE GET OUT THAT OR DO YOU KNOW? WE, IT IS A GOVERNMENT, UH, DIR CONTRACT. 
          WE CAN GET OUT AT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE OF ISSUES WHY WE DID GO TO BEFORE WAS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. 
          YOU WHATEVER YOU HAVE ON THAT CELL COUNTY CELL PHONE IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK IT DOESN'T REALLY SENSE THEN THAT SINCE I'VE MADE A TELEPHONE CALL ON MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE HERE, SOMEBODY COULD ASK ME WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT TO GET MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE INFORMATION BECAUSE I WAS USED IT FOR COUNTY BUSINESS. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF YOUR COUNTY PERSON, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU PUT ON THERE IS OPEN FOR ANYBODY TO LOOK AT. 
          SO BECAUSE ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, I GUESS ONE OF THE ISSUES I GOT, IF YOU DID A STIPEND THING AND YOU REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO HAVE A PHONE, LIKE ROAD BRIDGE GUY, WHAT IF HE DOESN'T PAY HIS BILL? I CAN'T GET AHOLD OF HIM. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. 
          COULD BEER AND CIGARETTES WHERE THEIR STAFFING AND NOT PAY THE BILL? THAT'S EXACTLY, WE TALKED ABOUT NOT INCLUDING THOSE FOLKS, YOU 
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KNOW, SAY CAN YOU GIVE SOME STIPING AND STILL PAY SOME, GIVE SOME, YOU CAN DO A COMBINATION THEREOF AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY SAVES THE COUNTY MONEY GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UH, AS FAR AS I CAN SAY, IT'S A SOFT COST. 
          WHEN YOU CALL ATT YOU LOST THE PHONE, IT'S LOCKED UP. 
          YOU MAY SPEND AN HOUR ON THE PHONE WITH YOU'RE PAYING THE BILLS AND SOMEONE LOST PHONE. 
          THEY NEED TO GET UPGRADE REPLACEMENT. 
          A LOT OF SOFT COSTS. 
          A LOT OF EMPLOYEES COULD BUT ALMOST PAY THEIR CELL PHONE BILL. 
          BUT THE TYPE WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD IT BE? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'D BE WHAT WOULD'VE ARE LIKE, UH, $25 FOR REGULAR EMPLOYEES AND $50 FOR HIGH CLASS GUYS. 
          LIKE, LIKE YOURSELF I 22 CHARGING. 
          THEY DO SAY THEY FEE FOR, UH, GONNA RACK UP ONE HOUR AUDITORS AND ES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THIS BETTER RAY, I SAY THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY ABOUT HALF THE COST. 
          I WAS ABOUT 50 AND HUNDRED. 
          YEAH. 
          ON, ON WHAT I SEEN FROM WHAT HE CHECKED WHEN HE WAS LOOKING INTO THAT, HE CHECKED SOME OTHER COUNTIES. 
          GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S IF YOU'RE ELECTED OFFICIAL OR DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT MAY NEED TO USE YOUR PHONE FOR EMAIL OR INTERNET OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE A, YOUR PHONE USE SMARTPHONE BRIDGE OR SOMEONE ELSE NEED, KEEP IN MIND THAT EMPLOYEES GONNA GET THE RATE WE DO, WE GET ABOUT 50% BETTER COST THAN, WELL THIS, I THINK, LET'S PUT THIS IN THE SAME SITUATION OR WHATEVER. 
          VEHICLE CELL PHONE COME BACK. 
          YEAH, LITTLE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I ADDED A CONFIDENTIALITY POLICY THAT ONE WAS TAXING AS WELL. 
          LOT OF POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY. 
          PEOPLE FIND OUT INFORMATION, SHOULD BE MIND AWARE THAT, UM, I ADDED THE OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT, THE POLICY Y'ALL APPROVED THE OTHER DAY AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          I ADDED THAT TO IT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          THE QUESTION ON THAT, THE, THE WORDING ON THAT OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT BOARD. 
          JOHN, HAVE YOU GOT A COPY? I I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          THE VERY LAST SENTENCE DOWN THERE WHERE OUTSIDE EMPLOYEES CAN'T ENGAGE IN PROFIT MAKING BUSINESS ARE, ARE YOU, THERE'S A LOT PEOPLE PART-TIME JOBS, BUT THE, THE THE, THE TRIP TO IT, IS IT THAT THEY INTERFERE WITH THE EMPLOYEES ASSIGNED DUTIES? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT? HOW WOULD YOU INTERFERE WITH ASSIGNED DUTIES? I I, I THINK IF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRED YOU TO DO IT DURING OFFICE HOURS. 
          I MEAN IF, IF, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING AT NIGHT AND, AND YOU WERE STILL ABLE TO FUNCTION AND SHOW UP AND DO YOUR, YOUR DUTIES THE NEXT DAY. 
          BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING, AND, AND I GUESS A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF YOU'RE HAVING TO BE ON THE INTERNET FOR YOUR OTHER JOB WHILE YOU'RE AT WORK, THAT THAT'S AN INTERFERENCE. 
          EVEN IF YOU SAY, WELL I CAN DO, I CAN MULTITASK. 
          WELL NOT REALLY. 
          YOU'RE WORKING HOURS. 
          YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH. 
          YOU'RE REALLY PAID TO ONE JOB WHEN YOU'RE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I NEED TO CLARIFY THAT? ALSO, I VERIFIED, UH, A LARGE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WORKING AT A BAR CARRYING A GUN. 
          IS IS THIS NOT THAT'S IN THE BODY. 
          YEAH, THAT OR WORKING THE RACETRACKS  CAB. 
          BUT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHEN I FIRST READ IT UP, I BASICALLY SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OUTSIDE JOB. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT INTERFERES WITH ASSIGNED DUTY ME. 
          BUT IT MEANS YOU HAVE TO DO IT DURING YOUR WORKING HOURS THEN THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE JOB, THIRD WORKING HOURS. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT OR IIII THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GOOD THE WAY IT'S AS LONG AS YOU HAVE TO INTERPRET, BUT PROFIT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, KNOW IT'S NONPROFIT, YOU KNOW, OR YOU DON'T MAKE A PROFIT ANYWAY. 
          HUNDRED UNDER G TWO. 
          YEAH. 
          KINDA LIKE THE G TWO LAURIE WHERE IT SAYS WHEN APPROVED TO WEAR THE UNIFORM OF COLMAN COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY ON SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT OFFICERS SHALL ADHERE ALL STANDARDS OF CONDUCT PERFORMANCES AND 
          [02:45:01]
APPEARANCES ESTABLISHED BY ORDER OF RULE POLICY REGULATIONS OF THE COLMAN COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. 
          THE PRESCRIBED UNIFORM MUST BE WORN IN FULL BALL CAPS ARE FORBIDDEN. 
          WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THAT? I MEAN, YOU WERE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DIDN'T WRITE THIS POLICY. 
          WELL I'D LIKE TO STRIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN THAT'S OKAY. 
          I CAN'T EXPECT SOMEBODY THAT DON'T WEAR A COWBOY HAT STAND OUT THERE IN THE HOT SUN WITHOUT A, SOME KIND OF PROTECTION. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A TEXAS RANGERS CAP, I CAN SEE I'M NOT WEARING A TEXAS RANGERS CAP OR NEW YARD YANKEES, WHATEVER. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WELL NOT THE CONS UNIFORM. 
          I THINK THAT WAS, I THINK THAT'S STRICTLY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T WANT 'EM WEARING A SURE ENOUGH BASEBALL LOGO CAP OR A CAP SAID GAVE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, OR BUDWEISER YEAH. 
          OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, SO YOU WANT ME TO JUST WELL, AS LONG AS IT'S A SOME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO STAND OUT THERE IN THE HOT SUN BURNING THEIR HEAD OFF. 
          SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE FORTUNATE THAN I, BUT YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HAIR GOES, BUT STILL THAT SUN BURNED TOO. 
          HAIR . 
          MAYBE YOU COME BACK WITH A REVISION. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME KIND OF CAMP THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CAMP THAT HAS THE DESIGNATION OR WHATEVER. 
          SEE ONE MORE, LEMME IF I CAN HEY TOM. 
          YES. 
          ON THAT, LIKE MY GUYS WILL WORK OFF DUTY STUFF. 
          OCCASIONALLY THEY'LL WEAR A GENERIC POLICE SHIRT AND A GENERIC POLICE CAP. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          AS LONG AS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S APPROVED BY THAT DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. 
          THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WEAR IT OUT THERE. 
          BUT YOU DON'T LET 'EM WEAR NO TEXAS RANGER. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          IT'S OFF WORK WAS LOOKING FOR, I WAS LOOKING, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE MORE THING IN HERE THAT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING IT. 
          THE GRIEVANCE POLICY ARE ANY SIGN CHANGES? GO AHEAD. 
          I JUST ADDED THAT HR SHOULD TO RECEIVE A COPY AND HR JUST FOR RECORD PURCHASES IN CASE SOMETHING COMES OF A LAWSUIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES KNOW THAT WE EVEN HAVE A GRIEVANCE ANYMORE. 
          THEY DON'T. 
          NO, THEY DON'T. 
          DUNNO IT. 
          AND NOW'S A GOOD, I MEANT TO ASK THIS EARLIER, BUT WHEN WE FINISH UP WITH THIS AND GET EVERYTHING ALL READY TO GO, WHEN WE GIVE THIS TO EMPLOYEES, ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO SIGN A SHEET SAYING NOT THAT THEY'VE READ IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE THEM READ IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED A COPY AND THEY IT YEAH, AND THEY DO NOW THEY GET AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FORM NOW THAT THEY, UM, COPY IT AND THAT MOST OF THE, ON THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FORM NOW THEY, THEY DO THE CERTAIN THINGS IN IT ON THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FORM THAT THEY REACH THAT THEY'RE AT WILL AND ABOUT THE COMP, TIME COMP, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS ON THAT THEY GO AND THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO ON THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FORM, UM, WITHIN THE OF PLUS WE'RE PUT ON THE INTERNET. 
          THEY'RE CLASSES CLASSES AND THEN WE'RE GONNA NOT ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT THEY SOLVING UPDATED AND CHANGE IT. 
          UM, PRE PREVIOUSLY ON THE GRIEVANCE THING, THERE WAS NO RECOURSE BEYOND THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NOW WE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO RECOURSE. 
          NOW CAN'T COME TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          BEFORE YOUR DEPARTMENT HEAD YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIM, YOU WENT TO HIM AND HE SAID THAT'S DIED AND THERE'S NO RECOURSE. 
          NOW THERE IS ANOTHER STEP THAT YOU GO TO, I MEAN IT STILL FALLS WITH TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT NOW THEY CAN KIND OF GO TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UM, TO KIND OF, I GUESS NOTIFY OR IT'S STILL AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THIS DECISION. 
          BUT YEAH, THERE'S STILL HOPE FOR IN CASE, WHICH SOMEBODY COULD DO THAT IN THE OPEN SESSION. 
          NOW, I SUPPOSE IF THEY WANTED TO, SOMEBODY HAD A GRIEVANCE AND THEY WANTED TO COME AND ADDRESS THE COURT, THEY CAN DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, BUT WE COULD ADDRESS THEM BACK. 
          NO, THAT'S TRUE. 
          WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OVERRULE NO. 
          OR CHANGE THE DECISION OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS THOUGH. 
          THE COMMISSION, THE DECISION OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS FINE. 
          I MEAN THEY CAN'T LIKE GET RID OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL AND YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM CHANGES 
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A EMPLOYEE EITHER. 
          WELL, I I I REALLY HATE FOR US TO GET INTO THAT, UH, THAT MODE BECAUSE WE, WE COULD BE COVERED UP WITH, UH, WITH UH, I MEAN GRIEVANCES NO, I I, NO, IT WASN'T INACT. 
          I HAVE HAVE THE POLICY, NOT I, I MEAN EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT. 
          EXPRESS THEIR GRIEVANCE. 
          BUT, UH, I JUST SEE THAT OPENING UP ACCOUNT FOR, SO JOHN, I DUNNO, MY THING IS I WANT TO GIVE THE EMPLOYEES AN OPTION BECAUSE I, I'VE GOTTEN LOTS OF COMPLAINTS ON ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY CAN'T STEAL, BUT MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE AT WILL. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, UH, I DUNNO, JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANY NO. 
          YEAH. 
          THE THE PROBLEM WITH, WITH HAVING AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW BEYOND THE ELECTED OFFICIAL IS, IS THINKING IF, IF YOU'RE ACCIDENTALLY CREATING SOME SORT OF CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTION FOR POSITION. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF GIVING SOMEONE A FORUM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, AND, AND, AND I GUESS WHERE I'M KIND OF KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS IS IF THE GRIEVANCE IS, LET'S SAY, OH, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU COMPUTED MY TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND HAVING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT LOOK AT THAT, THEY COULD LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT IF THE GRIEVANCE IS RELATED TO YOUR EMPLOYMENT, IF IT'S A REAL EMPLOYMENT ACTION, I'M TERMINATING YOU AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GRIEVE THAT AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAPFROG. 
          UH, NOT JUST DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT AS MUCH AS, AS SAY, ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE TAKEN OUT AND, AND, UH, BECAUSE CIVIL SERVICE IS ITS OWN CREATURE AND, AND IF IT'S CIVIL SERVICE THEN, THEN THEY'RE TRULY NOT OUT. 
          WELL EMPLOYEES ANYMORE ION, FROM TIME TO TIME SOMEBODY'S BEEN TERMINATED OR THEY'RE HAVING SOME, THEY'LL CONTACT ME, YOU KNOW, AND I GENERALLY WILL ALWAYS LISTEN TO THEM, BUT SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL OR WHOEVER. 
          SOMETIMES THEY'LL GO, SOMETIMES THEY JUST WANNA COME DRAFT, YOU KNOW, AT YEAR. 
          BUT, UH, I JUST, I JUST, I'M, I JUST WONDER IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR, IT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM IF THEY CAN COME AIR THE GRIEVANCES OUT IN ERS REPORT. 
          YEAH, EVERY JUST COURT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN THEY CAN DO IT IN OPEN SESSION, BUT I MEAN WELL THEY, THEY CAN MAKE A STATEMENT, BUT THE WAY THIS KIND OF REASON IN FACT TO ME THEY, AND ARGUE THE CASE AND WE HAVE TO, COMMISSIONER COURT HAS TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER ELECTED OFFICIAL IN WHAT THEY WANTED TO. 
          NO. 
          AND THE GRIEVANCE WASN'T WITH TERMINATION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, THIS ISN'T FOR TERMINATIONS IS IT FOR YEAH, IT'S LIKE, YEAH. 
          I MEAN THIS ISN'T A TERMINATED TERMINATION. 
          I JUST FEEL THAT IF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS BE AWARE, YEAH, THAT COULD COST THE COUNTY MONEY. 
          AND OF COURSE I DON'T GET EVERY COMPLAINT, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT I WILL DO, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO ME AND FEELS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN MISTREATED OR WHATEVER, UH, I WILL TELL 'EM, WELL YOU REALLY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. 
          AND THEN I NORMALLY WILL CALL THE ELECTED OFFICIAL OR THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND SAY, HEY, SOMEBODY CAME BY AND TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS, AND THIS. 
          AND THEY WANT YOU TO BE AWARE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S THE LAST THING TO DO OR NOT. 
          THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT I, NOT THAT I GRIEVANCES COMING TO ME. 
          WELL AND WHEN THEY COME TO ME, I, THEM, THEY, THEY NEED TO LET THEIR SUPERVISOR LIKE DECISION KNOW AND HALF THE TIME THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED OF GETTING TERMINATED. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THE ONES I HEAR FROM HAVE ALREADY BEEN TERMINATED, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN SO THE BAD BEHAVIOR. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL ANYWAY, THAT'S PROBABLY MAYBE LOOKED AT JUST SAYING I I DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT US GETTING INVOLVED. 
          THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION. 
          YEAH. 
          REVIEW. 
          YEAH. 
          PLENTY WORK. 
          DOING EVERYTHING. 
          SHE'LL BE DOING AN HR PERSON, SHE'LL NEVER DO THAT. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND IF IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES, I MEAN WHOLE OTHER SET OF ISSUES ANYWAY. 
          OR PROBLEMS ON THE NURSING MOTHER POLICY THAT IS THE UM, THE 
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AFFORDABLE CARE ACT THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM. 
          SO I JUST LEGALLY IN THERE, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE YOU, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A SPOT FOR THEM AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT OCCUR. 
          YEP. 
          WE LEGALLY HAVE TO DO IT. 
          SO, UM, THE 87, THE WEATHER CLOSING IN EMERGENCY, I GOT THIS, UM, BACK WHEN IT WAS DONE SNOW OR SOMETHING, THIS KIND OF CAME TO ME. 
          I THOUGHT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING. 
          AND THE AGENCY THAT I CAME IN, WE HAD THIS WHOLE BIG POLICY. 
          SO THIS KIND OF GOT BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING. 
          UM, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF NUMBER THAT I THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE IF THERE COULD BE SOME KIND OF NUMBER THAT ANY EMPLOYEE IN THE COUNTY COULD CALL. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF THEY, IF I KNOW THAT I'VE TALKED TO LORI AND GEORGE AND IT, AND I KNOW WE PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE, THERE'S A CLOSING AND THEY CAN CALL THE NEWS AND ALL KIND, YOU KNOW, CHECK THE NEWS AND ALL KIND OF STUFF. 
          BUT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO A PHONE AND I THOUGHT IT BE NICE IF WE COULD SET UP SOME KIND OF PHONE NUMBER. 
          SOMEBODY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING A MESSAGE ON THE PHONE, CALL HIS PHONE NUMBER AND SAYS WE'RE GONNA BE DELAYED OVER CLOTHES OR WHATEVER. 
          WELL LET'S JUST GIVE HIM JOHN LONG CELL NUMBER. 
          GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. 
          MAYBE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER WOULD BE. 
          I DON'T EITHER. 
          AND THAT'S JUST MY NUMBER. 
          KIND OF TOLD GEORGIA JUDGE WHAT WE WOULD DO, THE WAY WE HANDLE THE JURY NOTIFICATION IS A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL AND TO SEE IF YOU HAVE JURY THE JURY'S GONNA BE GO FORWARD OR NOT. 
          WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING. 
          OKAY. 
          SIGN A SINGLE NUMBER, PUT THE RECORDING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THAT WOULD MAKE WORK. 
          I JUST THOUGHT, 'CAUSE I MEAN I KNOW WE PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE AND NOT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO INTERNET. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, BUT I THOUGHT BECAUSE IT WAS BACK WHEN IT WAS, I SAID WHAT DO WE DO AROUND HERE? MY OLD JOB, EVERYBODY CHECKED VOICEMAIL. 
          LEMME TELL YOU, WHATEVER YOU DO ON THE CLOSING FOR BAD WEATHER, IT'S THE WRONG DECISION. 
          NO DOUBT NOT GONNA SNOW. 
          IT'S GONNA COME. 
          YEAH. 
          12 INCHES. 
          I'VE DONE THAT FOR 20 YEARS AND SOME OF THE WORST CHEWINGS I'VE EVER GOT MY TODAY. 
          AND IS I A BABYSITTER AND ARE THESE, I READ LIFE. 
          SINCE COURTHOUSE IS LOCATED IN PRECINCT ONE, I'D LIKE TO REALLY GIVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO  THREE. 
          I CAN MAKE A DECISION. 
          IT'S JUST THE AFTERMATH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S PROBABLY, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE RIGHT ONE. 
          WHATEVER. 
          IT'S ARE THOSE CHANNELS, THE NORMAL CHANNELS THAT YOU CALL? I BELIEVE THEY ARE AREN'T 5, 8, 11. 
          I THINK WE EVEN CALL FOUR. 
          NO FOUR. 
          NO FOUR. 
          WE DON'T DO FOUR. 
          FOUR RESPONDS ANYMORE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE BEST I TELL YOU THE WORD THEY FIND OUT. 
          I MEAN YEAH. 
          AND I USUALLY CALL THE COMMISSIONERS FIRST AND, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY USUALLY GETS THE WORD, BUT I THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE ONE GENERAL NUMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT BAD IDEA. 
          IS HARASSMENT SEPARATE FROM THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT? PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. 
          BUT IT'S HARASSMENT. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT FROM SEXUAL HARASSMENT BUT HARASSMENT POLICY, UM, WORKPLACE VIOLENCE POLICY AND SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY. 
          I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT HARASSMENT OF A COMMISSIONER . 
          I LET THAT PART NOBODY ELSE POLICY. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          THE ONLY, THE LAST THING THAT I, I HAVE TWO MORE THINGS AND I'M DONE AND I'LL BE HONEST, UM, I KIND OF HAVE BRIEFLY TALKED TO SOME COMMISSIONERS ON THE CBL DRIVERS. 
          IT KIND OF ONLY CONCERNS Y'ALL, BUT THERE IS SOME NEW LAWS COMING OUT THAT THEY NOW HAVE TO HAVE A MEDICAL CARD WITH THEIR, UM, DOT PHYSICAL, I DUNNO HOW MANY Y'ALL HEARD THAT. 
          AND WITH DOT PHYSICALS, APPARENTLY IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO GET A DOT PHYSICAL. 
          OUR CARE UNITED THAT WE SEND THAT WE DO WORKERS' COMP THROUGH, UM, OUR DRUG TESTS TO, THEY ONLY CHARGE UM, 40 OR $45 FOR A DOT PHYSICAL AND THEY GIVE THEM A MEDICAL CARD. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT. 
          THEY DO HAVE TO PAY THAT. 
          UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS IF Y'ALL ARE REQUIRING Y'ALL'S EMPLOYEES TO HAVE A CDL NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR, BUT I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL DON'T REQUIRE Y'ALL'S EMPLOYEES TO HAVE A CDL. 
          SO IF YOU'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO PAY, HAVE A CDL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A GRAY AREA, BUT I FOR SURE I WANTED TO TELL YOU JUST SEND THEM TO CARE UNITED ON 40, I CAN'T REMEMBER IT'S 40 OR $45 BECAUSE I KNOW A COUPLE OF GUYS IN PRECINCT THREE WERE PAYING LIKE A HUNDRED, $2,030 FOR DT. 
          THAT'S YEAH, BUT CARRIE UNITED ONLY CHARGE 40 OR $45 ON THEIR INSURANCE. 
          SO THAT STATE 
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LAW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS MEDICAL CARD THING NOW APPARENTLY. 
          SO, UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IF WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE A CDL, WE MAY BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THIS BENEFIT. 
          RIGHT NOW PAYROLL PEOPLE MAY BE 10 OUTTA MY GUYS HAVE C NOT EVERY EMPLOYEE HAS OR HAS TO HAVE THE C IF WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE THE CDL, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE FOR THE PHYSICAL. 
          IF YOU'RE REQUIR THEM TO HAVE THE C DL, THEN WE SHOULD PAY. 
          I FEEL YOU SHOULD PAY IT. 
          WHAT WHAT ABOUT IF WHEN YOU HIRE 'EM, THEY DON'T HAVE CDL, YOU REQUIRE 'EM TO GET ONE, THEN THE COUNTY PAY FOR IT. 
          IF THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ONE AND THEY INTEND TO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD IT, HAVE HAD IT FOR YEARS AND THEY INTEND TO KEEP IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY TO KEEP THE C WELL THEY GOTTA RENEW THEIR LICENSE EVERY WELL 'CAUSE IN THAT POSTING I THEY THIS EVERY YEAR WHEN I POST MEDICAL CARD EVERY YEAR. 
          WELL OR EVER WHEN THEY RENEW THEIR LICENSE. 
          WHEN THEY RENEW THEIR LICENSE, WELL SEE THEY FOR WHAT YEAR? I BELIEVE IT DEPENDS ON THE AGE. 
          WELL WHEN I POST THE POSITION IT SAYS ON THERE, YOU MUST BE ABLE TO ACCEPT. 
          SO IF YOU GOT 10 GUYS, YOU GOT, YOU GOT 14 GUYS, YOU GOT 10 GUYS WITH C, DL. 
          THOSE GUYS NEED TO ALL HAVE A PHYSICAL AND HEALTH CARD. 
          APPARENTLY THAT'S WITH THE LAW. 
          BUT IT APPARENTLY IT'S LIKE A CERTAIN AGE. 
          OH, WAY YOU STATED IT. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU REQUIRE ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE A CI DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT GONNA BE A STATE REQUIREMENT. 
          SURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO LETTER FROM SO TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IF THEY'RE NEEDING TO GO GET ONE, THEY KNOW SAVE ME SOME MONEY AND THEY CAN GO AND CARRY, GET IT FOR TAKING A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS. 
          UM, AND THE LAST THING I HAVE IS I'VE BEEN KIND OF TALKING TO JACK ABOUT THIS FOR THESE SERVICE WARRANT, WE'VE KIND TALKING ABOUT STARTING A NEW THING FOR SERVICE AWARDS FOR EMPLOYEES AND HAVING BOOTS TO MORALE AND TO DO SOMETHING. 
          AND I FOUND THIS POLICY I REALLY LIKED WITH FROM BRAZORIA COUNTY AND THEY STARTED IT BACK IN 2009. 
          UM, I REALLY LIKED THEIR POLICY THAT THEY HAVE HERE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS SOME SAMPLES THAT THEY DO, UM, OF SOME SERVICE AWARDS FOR SOME AND SOME CHARMS AND OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE DETAILS WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION OTHER THAN WE GAVE THEY HERE TO BE FILED AND IT WAS RECORDED OTHER THAN THE DETAILS OF THAT DOCUMENT WE HAVE. 
          SO ON THAT DOCUMENT WE NEED A BIG OKAY. 
          FACE DOWN THERE IS THERE IS HIS COUNTY GOVERNMENT RECORDS? YES. 
          IT ONLY TAKES 24 HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN YOU, OKAY, WELCOME. 
          YEAH, THERE THE OTHER, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST FROM MY GUYS PRACTICE, THEY DON'T NEED, WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING AND I KNOW IT MAY NEED NOTHING TO THEM, BUT SOME PEOPLE MAY LIKE IT. 
          YEAH, SOME PEOPLE TOO WOULD, I'M SURE IT'S PRETTY INEXPENSIVE. 
          I FOUND JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY LIKES FOOD. 
          SO I THINK TO DO THAT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD GET SOMEBODY TO HELP DO THAT, MAKE AT THE CAFETERIA, 
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JUST A MATTER OF, WE, I THINK WE DO NEED TO RECOGNIZE OUR PEOPLE. 
          WE GOTTA CHANGE, CHANGE, WE, RIGHT. 
          WE NEED, I THINK SHE'S RIGHT ON THE LIVE PERIOD. 
          I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST AHEAD, RIGHT. 
          WHILE WORKING. 
          IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT TO DO AND TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW, JACK HAS KIND OF DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THE COST OF THE LITTLE BINS AND DO THE PINS. 
          NOT, I MEAN, WHAT I JUST, WHATEVER, WE JUST WANNA LOOK INTO SOME THINGS AND ONE CALL ON MY SOAP HERE, UH, GET ON. 
          SO I GET CALLED FROM TIME TO TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, I GOT RECENT CALLS FROM ONE DEPARTMENTS THAT WANTED TO BUY A PLAQUE FOR SOMEONE TIME. 
          AND OF COURSE I HAD TO ADVISE THEM THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T PAY FOR THAT. 
          AND TO ME, IT'S KIND OF EMBARRASSING AS, AS A COUNTY EMPLOYER OR SUPERVISOR, I KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN A PLACE THAT, THAT, THAT RECOGNIZES THEIR PEOPLE. 
          LAST. 
          YOU DO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YOU WILL GET, PEOPLE WILL GET INVITED. 
          I'M NOT SPEAKING ON LOCAL OFFICIAL, BUT PEOPLE WILL GET INVITED TO A SWEARING IN OFFICIAL MAYBE FOUR YEARS, MAYBE EIGHT YEARS, MAYBE 12 YEARS. 
          SOMEONE CAN WORK HERE 20 YEARS, 25, 30 YEARS, AND THEY JUST WALK ON THAT DAY AND NOTHING BE DONE. 
          I, I JUST FIND THAT RIDICULOUS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          I WAS ASKED WHILE BACK, YOU KNOW, DURING THE FURLOUGH DAYS, WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO FOR MORALE AND I THAT POINT, HOW ABOUT RECOGNIZE THESE FOLKS AND I'LL HAVE A DOG AND A HUNT BECAUSE I WON'T BE ONE OF THOSE FOLKS HERE THAT'S GONNA BE HERE 20 YEARS OR 30 YEARS. 
          BUT I TELL WHEN I WORKED AT 27 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GO GET A PARTY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GIVE SO MUCH DOLLARS SET ASIDE FOR FOOD, A BANQUET ROOM, PEOPLE SPEAKING, UH, YOU'LL HAVE FOLKS WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO GO GO TO MY PARTY. 
          I WANT THEM MY BLOOD. 
          BUT, BUT WHEN THEY ATTEND, I, I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM GET CRIME WHEN THEY STOOD UP THERE AND TOOK THEIR, I THINK IT'S, IT'S AT $25 PER PERSON FOR A PEN, 23, WHATEVER, SELECT, TWO OR 5, 10, 15 YEARS. 
          UH, WHAT I'VE SEEN NOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMIC TIMES WE'RE IN, BUT THE NEW FOLKS COMING IN EVERY YEAR IS LIKE A LESS, LESS BENEFIT FOR THEM TO BE HERE. 
          BENEFITS DROP OFF. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I'M ON MY SOAPBOX, I'LL STOP SECOND, BUT, UH, FOLKS LIKE ME COME IN, I'M ON MY SECOND CAREER. 
          ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS COME IN HERE AND THEY'RE ON THEIR SECOND CAREER. 
          UH, BUT THOSE FOLKS THAT TAKE THIS JOB SERIOUS, THEY'RE HERE 25 YEARS, 30 YEARS, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          AND I THINK WE FAILED TO RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          I AGREE. 
          BUT THAT'S THAT IT ON MY PART. 
          BUT IT'S VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE AND I THINK THEY APPRECIATE IT. 
          WELL BEING ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT'S COMING IN NOT ON MY SECOND CAREER, THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO STAYING HERE LONG TERM. 
          PERSONALLY, THEY'RE ALL BEING TAKEN AWAY AND I MEAN, THERE'S NOT, AND IT'S FINE DURING HARD TIMES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEN TIME GET BETTER, YOU'RE GONNA FIND, YOU'RE GONNA RETAIN THE LESS QUALITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UNEMPLOYED. 
          JOHN, YOU WERE NO, I, I, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          MY, MY WIFE HAS WORKED FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND THEY, THEY GIVE OUT LITTLE THINGS FIVE YEAR OR 10 YEAR INCREMENTS AND THEY MAKE GRIPE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT, OH, IT'S NOT VERY VALUABLE, BUT THEY WEAR IT AND THEY USE IT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE STUFF THAT, THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON FOR FIVE OR 10 YEARS, THAT COST ALMOST NOTHING. 
          BUT PEOPLE WILL WEAR IT AND THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SOME RECOGNITION. 
          WELL, I CAN'T HEAR I SITTING, YOU COME FROM THE CITY OF THE COUNTY, YOU TOLD COUNTY JUDGE THAT TIME YOU WORKED FOR THE COUNTY. 
          NOW NOT THE CITY, BUT YOU GET USED TO WEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, ITS PART OF YOU. 
          SO YOU JUST KIND OF LIKE THAT. 
          THEY'LL SAY, THEY DON'T, DON'T GUARANTEE WE COULD FIND VENDORS THAT WOULD HELP US DO THIS. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE HEAVY COSTS IF WE DO A MEAL OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GENERAL WE DID, WE DID, WE HAD OUR AWARD LIKE ONE TIME A YEAR EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, MORNING CEREMONY, AND THEY HAD LIKE BREAKFAST. 
          IT COULD BE SENTENCE THAT BE YOU PASS A PIN OUT IN THE FISHER'S COURT, HAVE DONE ADVISE THAT PERSON THAT GETS AN AWARD IN THEIR SUPERVISOR, AND THEN NEXT YEAR YOU GET THE, THE, 
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THE NEXT FIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'D BE A COST UPFRONT FOR FIRST TIME AROUND. 
          BUT AFTER THAT, AND LEMME THROW THIS IN TO, UM, ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2010 WHEN RICK HARRISON WAS LEAVING IN OFFICE, HE, UH, SURPRISED ME AND HE, HE HAD SOMETHING OF, OF BOTH A SPECIAL DAY FOR JUDGE GENT ALSO WON FOR ME. 
          AND, AND I GUESS BECAUSE I, I HADN'T WORKED HERE THAT LONG, BUT I GUESS FOR MY BATTLE OF CANCER, AND, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, WAS SURPRISED AND SHOCKED. 
          IT, IT WAS ONE OF THE, THE NEATEST THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED IN MY ALMOST 30 YEARS OF WORK. 
          AND I GOT A, A POSTER FROM IT AND I GOT A, A, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER AND, AND THE POSTER I GOT FROM IT, I STILL HAVE IT AT MY HOUSE AND, AND I HANG OUT IN MY GARAGE AND ANYONE THAT DRIVES IN SEES IT AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S STUFF THAT YOU CAN DO THAT JUST SAYS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEPS YOU GOING. 
          LOST THE LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WELL, ONE OTHER THING. 
          WE, WE HAD HERE PANEL, YOUR SUPERVISOR RECOMMENDS WHOEVER PANEL, AND THAT'S ONE A YEAR, ONE PERSON WILL APPLY. 
          IT GOES LONG WAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FIRST STAGE BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT A, YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE A, A BREAK AND THEN WE WILL, UH, COME BACK. 
          AND I THINK I KNOW JOHN, I, I KEEP THINKING YOU NEED TO YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO YEAH. 
          ASK, AND I KNOW I NEED TO TRY TO BE OUT HERE BY TWO. 
          SO, UH, MAYBE WE CAN BE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO IN CLOSE. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOT THIS ISSUE ABOUT THE CREDIT CARD, BUT WE CAN DO THAT, ERIC, COME OUT AND CLOSE SESSION. 
          SO JOHN, OKAY. 
          AND THE LAST ITEM I BELIEVE WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS THE, UH, POSSIBILITY OF A CREDIT CARD FOR EACH PRECINCT. 
          AND, UH, JEANNIE, I THINK SHE PUT THAT ON THE, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE NO WAY OF GOING AND BUYING ANY ITEMS OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRACTOR SUPPLY OR WALMART OR, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST NOWHERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT YET. 
          AND I JUST THINK IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA IF, UH, EACH PRECINCT HAD A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MASTERCARD OR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD USE IN NORTHERN OR TRACTOR SUPPLY OR ANY, ANY PLACE YOU WANTED TO USE, AS LONG AS YOU, YOU KNOW, RECORDED YOUR PURCHASES AND, UH, NOT FOR BIG ITEMS, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR, UH, JUST SMALLER STUFF, YOU KNOW, SHOVELS AND WHATEVER, GATORADE FOR THE GUYS WAS ALRIGHT. 
          STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THAT JUST WAS MY THOUGHT. 
          WEEKS. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU REMEMBER, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT UPDATE PROOF. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UPDATE. 
          UH, WELL IF YOU REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THERE WERE SOME THAT DIDN'T WANT ANY PART OF IT. 
          SOME THAT DID. 
          UH, ALL I NEED A PHONE CALL. 
          TELL HIM, TELL HIM WHAT YOU NEED. 
          UH, I, I THINK, UH, YOU DIDN'T WANT ONE AND I THINK TOMMY DIDN'T WANT ONE. 
          UH, HOWEVER, I STARTED, YOU KNOW, START THE PROCESS. 
          UH, FIRST THING I'M TACKLING FAR IS CREDIT CARDS IS THE FUEL CARD, UH, UH, A MONITORING FUEL COSTS, UH, THE AVERAGE PRICE HERE IN TOWN, UH, FOR MONDAY, TUESDAY END DAY. 
          AND ON THURSDAY THE OPUS REPORT COMES IN ON WHAT THE AVERAGE COST IS, UH, NET COST OF FUEL. 
          AND SO I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHETHER THE, THE FUEL MAN CARD IS COMPETITIVE AND UH, UH, BY TOMORROW I SHOULD KNOW, I'LL COME BACK TO COURT IF IT IS AND RECOMMEND WE, WE, UH, START THAT FLEET CARD, FUEL CARD, UH, PROGRAM WITH, UH, WITH THOSE FOLKS. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT THING IS TO DO THE, TO GET THE CREDIT CARD. 
          NOW, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST TIME WE IN COURT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO HAVE A, EACH COMMISSIONER HAVE A CARD. 
          YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE CARD FOR, UH, THE JP D USE, YOU KNOW, OR, OR A CONSTABLE TO USE OR THE LOCAL TAX OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          UH, I'M SORT OF OPEN TO THAT. 
          THERE AGAIN, I TACKLED THE FUEL CARD FIRST BECAUSE 50% OF THE COURT DIDN'T REALLY ONE CARD. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE. 
          ME, IF, IF JIMMY NEEDS A CAR TO, TO HELP HIM PROCURE STUFF, THAT'S FINE. 
          ME, I JUST DON'T NEED IT. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ACCOUNTS SET UP ALL OVER THE WORLD AND WE DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH TSC. 
          SO, BUT DON'T YOU, AREN'T YOU TRYING TO, UH, CHANGE UP OUR FORMAT OF GETTING PURCHASE ORDERS AND ALL THIS WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN HERE AT THE COUNTY? WE ARE. 
          AND SO, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE BETTER. 
          LIKE HE RUNS DOWN THE GROOM AND SON, IF HE'S GOT A MASTERCARD, HE GOES IN THERE AND GET WHAT 
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WANTED HE DECIDES TO RUN OVER THERE TO, TO THE HOME DEPOT AT MAYBANK. 
          HE CAN USE THAT MASTERCARD RIGHT THERE FOR WHATEVER HE NEEDS THERE OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THIS IS WHAT THIS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE GOT WALMART, I'VE GOT THE HOME DEPOT, HE'S, HE'S GOT LOWE'S AND HE'S GOT WALMART AND COUPLE OTHER ONES OVER IN, UH, PRECINCT TWO TO UH, DO BUSINESS WITH AND RIGHT. 
          OUR MASTERCARD BEATS EVERYBODY A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN US HAVING A WALMART CAR, RIGHT? TRACTOR TO BUY CARS AND A YEAH, BECAUSE I'VE GOT ZEBRA GO TO JACK'S OFFICE AND YOU KNOW, GET CAR TO GO GET SOMETHING THAT'S NOT VERY HANDY. 
          THAT'S NOT A GOVERNMENT CODE NUMBER, IS IT? IT'S 2 6 2 5 3. 
          THINK THAT'S SOMETHING. 
          IDEAS? YES. 
          DID YOU READ THAT? YES, I DID. 
          YOU INCLUDED IT. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S ONE. 
          YOU WERE DOUBLE. 
          I ALWAYS BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU SEND ME STUFF, UH, I THINK I JUST, I THINK ONE I BOLDED WHAT, WHAT APPLIES? UH, I'M ALL FOR GETTING YOU GUYS A CARD, UH, A SINGLE CARD, WHAT WE NEED, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING. 
          MY GOAL IS TO GET RID OF WALMART CARS AND ALL THESE CARS OUTTA ONE CARD AND, UH, THE FIRST START THERE AGAIN IS ALL THE FUEL CARDS, WHICH WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DONE. 
          AND, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IF I CAN GET MY REPORT BACK, UH, I'LL HAVE THEM NEXT AGAIN AND I'M GONNA KILL ALL THE, THE, THE EXXON OR MOBILE CARS OR WHATEVER WE GOT OUT THERE. 
          HAVE ONE CAR AND UH, WE CAN BUILD ON THAT. 
          YOU, YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER THERE WAS THE ISSUE ABOUT ADDING EQUIPMENT ON YOUR TANKS THAT WOULD WORK WITH FUEL MAN, THAT KIND OF HELD THINGS UP, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE SOME POLITICS HELD IT UP, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          SO I WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THIS THING GOING. 
          THEN YOU GUYS CAN BUILD ON THAT. 
          AND THEN AS YOUR BUDGET ALLOWS, OF COURSE THAT BEFORE YOU JIMMY THE, UH, ON THE FUEL CAR, FUEL MAN CAR, BASICALLY THERE'LL BE A SURVEY OF ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT, UH, OF YOUR VEHICLES AND UH, IF YOU'VE GOT A FOUR PICKUP THAT HOLDS 18 GALLONS, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'LL PLUG THAT IN. 
          SO IF YOU GOT A GUY THAT THAT FILL 18 GALLON TANK TODAY AND THEN TOMORROW HE TRIES TO PUT 18 GALLONS IN, HE'S ONLY GONE 50 MILES, THEY WON'T ALLOW THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UH, GREAT PROGRAM. 
          IT GIVES YOU ALL KIND OF REPORTS ON YOUR AVERAGE FUEL, FUEL PER GALLON YARD, HOW MUCH YOU'RE SPENDING. 
          THE DOWNSIDE IS, IS UH, IF YOU'RE USING THIS CAR SYSTEM ON RETAIL AND PUMPING OUT OF THE GROUND OR A BUS WORK HERE, I THINK IT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THE TANK USAGE. 
          SEE, I, I HAVE NO NEED FOR ANY FUEL CARS BECAUSE WE FUEL THERE AT THE, AT THE BARN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, NO NEED FOR ME TO HAVE A FUEL CAR. 
          THIS WILL, THIS WILL HELP TRACK YOUR, IT'LL ATTRACT YOUR, UH, FUEL MINE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH FUEL YOU'RE USING WITH THIS TRUCK OR THIS TRUCK OR THAT TRUCK. 
          I MEAN, WHEN THEY GET FUEL, THEY WRITE IT DOWN AND WRITE THE DOWN DOWN. 
          THIS, THIS, YOU MAY, YOU MAY NOT NEED, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET CARS YOU MAY NOT USE. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING YOU MIGHT NOT USE, UH, IF YOU'RE A, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A CONSTABLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. 
          IF I WAS A COMMISSIONER, I HAD A TANK OUT HERE, IT WOULD GO TO THE CAR SYSTEM, THEN I WOULD ONLY USE THAT FUEL. 
          I WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY IN MY YARD ON WAY ONE IN THERE. 
          IF A COMPANY COMES OUT THERE AND HAS TO GET A CAR, UNLOCK THE GATE, GO INSIDE, TURN THE FUEL BE A LOT EASIER TO CONTROL. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WELL WE'VE GOT THAT CAR WITH THE, WITH THE SYSTEM WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A 10, UM, 10 KEY BANK AND EVERYBODY THAT USES FUEL HAS THEIR OWN KEY. 
          AND WHEN THEY PUT IT IN THERE AND TURN IT AND GET FUEL, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN METER AND THAT METER REGISTERS AND YOU CUT IT OFF, THE NEXT PERSON PUTS THEIR KEY IN, THEY GET FUEL THAT METER REGISTERS. 
          SO AT THE END OF THE MONTH WE GET A READING AND WHOEVER'S GOT KEY EIGHT AS A CONSTABLE, HE USE THAT CLEARLY USE THAT MANY GALLONS THAT'S REGISTERED, YOU KNOW, BY THAT MONTH. 
          SO, AND THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          IT PROBABLY IS, BUT I'LL TELL YOU FOR A FACT, WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE CAR ALLOWANCES THAT HAVE GONE OUT THERE AND GOT FUEL. 
          SO THE KEY THEY GAVE ME IS KNOCKED OUT. 
          SO, SO THIS ELIMINATES A LOT OF THAT STUFF. 
          FEEL FOR FOUR YEARS TOLD NOT TO. 
          THIS ELIMINATES A LOT OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND OF COURSE WE'RE TRYING TO TARGET THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT, UH, PART OF YOUR GROUP, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, MAYBE DA INVESTIGATOR, YOU KNOW, PICK UP OR THE JUVENILE PROBATION, ADULT PROBATION, RIGHT? THEY MM-HMM  DO. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE COST ON THESE? UH, WHAT ABOUT THE PRICE, GAS PRICE ON THESE CARDS? DO WE GET ANY KIND OF A DISCOUNT? WHAT IT IS? IT IS A, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE CARDS, THERE'S A COUPLE SYSTEMS OUT THERE. 
          ONE OF THEM IS BASED ON, 
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UH, IT'S UH, RIDE EXPRESS. 
          WE LOOKED AT THAT GRANT, UH, IT'S EXXON DRIVEN AND IT'S 3 CENTS OFF RETAIL, NICKLA RETAIL, WHATEVER. 
          IT'S, I DON'T REMEMBER BELIEVE, I BELIEVE WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, IT'S A NICKEL. 
          IT MAY BE. 
          AND, AND UH, YOU CAN USE THAT CARD AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS OR VARIOUS BRANDS, BUT YOU ONLY GET THE DISCOUNT IF YOU'RE AT EXXON STATION. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, FUEL MAN, UH, THIS, UH, CIRCLE K FUEL MAN, I THINK THERE'S FOUR NOW IN, IN THE CITY CALLED THAT ARE FUEL MAN. 
          AND THEY, THEY'VE GOT A SEPARATE REROUTE THERE AND, UH, UH, WHAT FUELMAN DOES OPPOSED TO A DISCOUNT OFF RETAIL, THEY TAKE THE AVERAGE OPUS PRICE OR PRICE INDEX THAT COMES OUT ONCE A WEEK AND THEY LOOK AT THE AVERAGE RACK PRICE, THE COST FOR ALL THE STATIONS IN . 
          AND YOU ADD, I THINK IT'S AT, AT 11 CENTS. 
          SO MY GOAL IS TO FIND OUT WHERE THE COST PLUS 11 CENTS IS CHEAPER THAN RETAIL MINUS A NICKEL. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS WEEK. 
          AND, BUT THERE'S ALL KIND OF THINGS. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT MONITORS YOUR, YOUR MILEAGE IT, IT WON'T LET YOU PUT MORE FUEL IN THERE. 
          YOU COULD DO A COUPLE THINGS. 
          YOU COULD HAVE A SET LIKE THAT EXAMPLE WHILE AGO WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING MORE FUEL IN THAN A CAR WILL HOLD. 
          MM-HMM  THERE'S ONE WAY YOU CAN, THE MACHINE WILL CUT YOU OFF AND THE OTHER WAY SEND AN EMAIL TO THE SUPERVISOR SAYING YOU'RE GUY TRIED TO PUT IN 30 GALLONS AND 20 GALLON TANK. 
          THERE COULD BE A REASON FOR DOING THAT, BUT YOU DON'T, YOU'D BE THE ONE KNOW THAT OTHERWISE THEY GAS CAN ENOUGH CANS. 
          NOW IF FUEL MAN WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER OUTFIELD TELL YOU THAT UH UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THE OP PRICE IS THAT DAY OR HOW COMPETITIVE THAT STORY IS, YOU MAY NOT SAVE A LOT, A LOT OF MONEY FOR A GALLON. 
          MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOR A GALLON, BUT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY SAY YOU'LL SAVE 10 TO 15% OR HIGHER ON FUEL BECAUSE YOU DON'T WASTE NOT ANYBODY DOING THAT. 
          BUT IT ELIMINATES THAT. 
          LEMME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          OKAY? DO WE GET TAX MONEY BACK TO THAT? THAT'S IMMEDIATE TAXES EXEMPT IMMEDIATELY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO NOW I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE STATE. 
          WE STILL MAY HAVE TO TO APPLY FOR THE STATE, BUT THE FEDERAL'S TAKEN OFF RIGHT THEN AND THAT'S A PROBLEM NOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS ON, ON, YOU KNOW, UH, GETTING FUEL BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA TRY TO GET THEIR MONEY BACK, TAX MONEY BACK. 
          THIS IS DONE AT THE PUMP AND I'M NOT CERTAIN WHETHER BOTH TAXES OR JUST FEDERAL TAX WOULD ELIMINATE THAT. 
          LOT OF TIMES WE PROBABLY FORGET TO APPLY FOR SOME GALLON. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'LL HAVE ALL THE INVOLVED IN THAT OR LIKE THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY APPLY FOR IT, THEY GET IT DOESN'T GO BACK IN THEIR BUDGET ANYWAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THEY'VE GOT. 
          THEY DON'T GET CREDIT FOR DISCOUNT. 
          THEY'RE PAYING RETAIL PRICE FOR GASOLINE. 
          WE GET A REBATE ON THE TAXES BUT THEN COME BACK INTO CREDIT TO THE SHERIFF GASOLINE ACCOUNT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I'VE NEVER I THAT I GUESS THEY GO CORRECT TO THE OFFICE PROBABLY SO. 
          I THINK SO. 
          IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE HINDRANCE FOR THEM. 
          A HOW MUCH DOLLARS THAT IS. 
          WELL DON'T THEY HAVE FUEL STORAGE DOESN'T JAIL? I THINK SO. 
          YEAH, THEY DO. 
          BUT I GUESS  WITH THAT, IF YOU'RE FORNEY YEAH, YOU GOTTA DRIVE COFFMAN TO GET FUEL. 
          IT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. 
          THAT'S REASONABLE. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THIS, THE FIRST WAS OUR CONSTABLE, EVERYBODY ELSE SO THEY COULD COME TO THE BARNS AND PICK UP FUEL. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD HELP YOU GUYS THAT YOU'RE NOT ON FUEL AS OFTEN IF YOU JUST HAD THAT FUEL JUST SET FOR YOU FOR YOUR OFFICE ONLY. 
          YEAH, IF I OUT ON THAT PROPERTY ON FOUR NINE, I'D ONLY MY OWN TANKS FOR ME IN LAKE COUNTY HAVE THE TANKS FOR UH, ALL THE OTHER VEHICLES. 
          I THINK A PERFECT WORLD, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE PROBABLY A GOOD, NOT EVEN HAVE UNLEADED ON YOUR PROPERTY, JUST HAVE DIESEL UNLESS CHANCE SOMETHING BLOWN UP. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THE LOSS, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, DON'T HAVE CONDENSATION FROM THE WATER BILL. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW THAT ALCOHOL SEPARATES OUT THAT GAS. 
          YOU REALLY NEED TO BUY FRESH GAS THAT'S BEEN REPLENISHED NEARLY ON A DAILY BASIS BECAUSE THAT ETHANOL SEPARATES OUT. 
          ONES GUY'S GOING TO GET THE WATER, THE NEXT GUY'S GONNA GET THE ALCOHOL. 
          THE LAST MAN IS GOING TO GET THE GASOLINE. 
          BUT THAT'S HARD ON THE ENGINES. 
          I MUCH TROUBLE VEHICLE TODAY. 
          WELL, NOT TO MENTION, I'M SURE YOU GUYS FAMILIAR HOW FIELD WORK DIS BASED ON THE TEMPERATURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, SO EXXON, YOU GET, YOU'RE PUTTING IN 300 GALLONS A BIT LATER, MAYBE 250 GALLONS AND EXXON'S ON PLACE CAN 
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GET THIS DISCOUNT OR NO, EXXON HAS. 
          THAT'S, YOU GOT ROD EXPRESS, WHICH IS EXXON AND THAT'S RETAIL MINUS UH, AND FUEL MAN. 
          UH, THERE'S FOUR STATES HERE IN CONMAN, UH, THAT HAVE THAT RETAIL THAT ARE FUEL MAN COMPANIES. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK TERRELL'S GOT SIX OR SEVEN. 
          OKAY. 
          EVEN KE HAS TWO. 
          SO, UH, GOOD THING ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU CAN, IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING PRISON PRISONER TRANSPORT, YOU'RE GOING TO MINNESOTA PICK PICK TOWN, YOU CAN GET ON THEIR SITE AND THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT FUEL STATIONS ARE ON ON THE RIDE. 
          IT'LL ROUTE YOU THERE TO THERE AND TELL YOU WHAT STATIONS TO GET FUEL. 
          IT'S GOOD. 
          A LOT LESS. 
          IT SOUNDS BETTER EVERY MINUTE. 
          THINK IT. 
          WE DON'T INTO OUR YARD CONSIDER THE FACT THERE'S HOW MANY CREDIT CARDS OUT THERE? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT MUCH. 
          WE GOT A LOT OF CREDIT CARDS ON AND MATERIAL. 
          I LIKE TO GET THEM OUT MY NOW THEN THE FUELMAN CAR TOO JUST HAVE WHILE FUELMAN CAR WHERE THEY DO, IF THAT CARD STAYS IN THE VEHICLE, IN THE GLOVE BOX, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIED TO THAT CAR. 
          EACH OPERATOR HAS A PIN NUMBER. 
          SO IF YOU'RE A SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR A ROAD BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, USING THAT CARD THAT'S IN THE VEHICLE BUT YOUR PIN NUMBER GETS YOU INTO, PUT FUEL ON WHATEVER YOU NEED FOR FUEL AND THEY'RE GETTING MIGHT NOT APPLY TO YOU GUYS AS MUCH. 
          IT A LOT OF OPTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          BETTER EVERY MINUTE NOW. 
          BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS SECTION 2 6, 2 0.011, I MEAN BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT WHERE YOU GOT HIGHLIGHTED. 
          I YES SIR. 
          AND, AND UH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT, WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS. 
          YEAH. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW INITIALLY WHEN WE, WHEN I SAW SOME THAT WE WERE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY BROTHER HAS A CARD OR, OR WHAT THE GOAL WAS HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          I WANT EVERYBODY PROBABILITY MINES, SO I'M LUCKY TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CARD, BUT I NO PROBLEM WITH COMMISSION TO HAVE A CARD. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM HOLDING THE CARD. 
          IF WE NEED SOMETHING I CAN GIVE IT TO MY SUPERVISOR. 
          I'LL GO GET IT PERSONALLY. 
          YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ROAD BRIDGE CREW, THE REST OF 'EM WOULDN'T HAVE AVAILABILITY THERE AT ALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONLY THING ABOUT THESE CARS BE FOREWARNED IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE REAL SENSITIVE, THEIR PROCUREMENT CARS AND THEY'RE TIED TO ALL THESE COMMODITIES. 
          SO ACCORDING TO HOW THE, THE UH, VENDOR MAY BE SET UP, HOW YOU SET THAT UP, SOMETIMES IT WILL DENY, YOU KNOW, YOU SET HIS CARD UP FOR THE KBS AT A LIQUOR STORE, AT A RETAIL STORE. 
          I I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. 
          YOUR MERCHANT CODE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THAT MERCHANT WILL MESS UP AND SET THIS UP. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          IT'LL BE SET UP WRONG. 
          NOTHING WE'VE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT ONCE YOU GET THAT STRAIGHT OUT, YOU GET SOME WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND THE CARD FLICKS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GO. 
           IF DENIED YOU CALL ME, I GET ON THE PHONE, RELEASE IT AND UH, I'LL SAY THE NEW CARD WE'VE HAD CHANGED FROM, UH, FROM, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS, UH, ANYWAY, NOW SITTING BANK, IT WAS AN OLDER CAR TO CONVERS AND I'VE HAD LESS TROUBLE WITH THIS NEW CAR. 
          I THINK I'VE HAD, HAD TO HAD ONCE. 
          DOES ANY LOCAL BANK OFFER CREDIT CARDS? UH, THEY, THEY, WELL THEY PROBABLY DO, BUT YOU, IT'S REQUIRED YOU GO THROUGH THE BID PROCESS. 
          OH. 
          AND ALL THIS, THIS IS A STATEWIDE STATE. 
          TEXAS HAS A CONTRACT. 
          IT PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE'VE BEEN IN HERE FOR FIVE AND A HALF HOURS, NOT FOUR AND A HALF HOURS. 
          2 62 0.01 MONTH. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE GOAL OF GOING TO A SINGLE PROCUREMENT CARD. 
          CORRECT. 
          MY GOAL IS TO HAVE ONE CREDIT CARD CARE CARD AND ONE FUEL CARD. 
          AND OF COURSE JUST WANNA FOREWARN YOU GUYS, Y'ALL PROBABLY GET SOME HAPPY FOLKS AND HAVE CARD. 
          UH, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FUNNEL IT ALL INTO ONE CARD. 
          I'LL TALK TO YOU ALL Y'ALL IS EVENTUALLY WHETHER Y'ALL WANT THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO UH, LET SOMEONE IN YOUR PRISON COME GET YOUR CARD. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND DOING THAT. 
          THERE MAY BE ONE THAT SAYS A RESULT. 
          THERE MAY BE ONE THAT SAYS COUNTY THAT YOUR SECRETARY CAN ISSUE WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. 
          I'LL JACK, ARE YOU GONNA FIX THAT WHERE IT'S DOWNLOADED TO THE SOFTWARE? WE HAVE A CAPABILITY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING ON, ON STW. 
          UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO BUY THE PROGRAM. 
          IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT IS WHATEVER TIMEFRAME, WE'LL SAY 15 OF A MONTH, BILL COMES IN, IT SHOOTS AN EMAIL TO EACH CARD USER SAYING HERE'S YOUR CHARGES. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, AGREE, DISAGREE, WHATEVER 
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YOU CLICK ON THAT IT SHOOT IT TO ME. 
          THEN I GIVE, I CAN REVIEW ALL THE CARDS, WHAT WAS USED, GO BUTTON, THE WAY WE USE THE KEY CARDS BEFORE, UH, WE HAD TO DIAL INTO MASTERCARD AND WE CHECKED IT ABOUT EVERY TWO OR THREE DAYS TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANY ERRONEOUS CHARGES ON THERE. 
          I CAN'T DO THAT HERE FOR THIS COUNTY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. 
          NOW WE HAVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL CALL ME SOMETIMES STRANGE THEY PICKED UP. 
          UH, WE'RE ALSO NOT RESPONSIBLE CHARGE WE DIDN'T MAKE RIGHT. 
          THE OTHER CARD HAD PIZZA COMING FROM THE UK. 
          THAT CAR FOR THAT. 
          WE DID IT FOR THAT PURPOSE THOUGH THAT WE COULD WATCH IT BECAUSE WHEN WE GOT INTO THE PCARD ACCOUNT, UH, SYSTEM, WE GAVE EVERY EMPLOYEE A CARD AND SET THEIR LIMIT IN THE MERCHANT CATEGORY CODES THAT THEY COULD USE. 
          'CAUSE WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE OUT, LIKE IN ROAD AND BRIDGE THAT WERE ACTUALLY GOING AND BUYING PARTS AND THIS AND THAT TO DO THEIR JOB. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY WE DOGGED INTO THE BANK. 
          SO WE COULD ACTUALLY SEE WE DOWNLOADED, WE HAD IT FIXED WHERE THE BILL WAS ALWAYS PAID, IT AUTOMATICALLY DRAFT IN OUR BANK ACCOUNT AND I WOULD DIAL INTO THE BANK ACCOUNT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY TOOK ONLY THAT AMOUNT AND IF WE HAD ANY CREDITS TO BE ISSUED AND WHO MADE THOSE CHARGES. 
          I'M A SIGNER ON THE BANK ACCOUNT, BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN GIVEN ACCESS TO GET ONLINE AND LOOK AT IT. 
          SO IT WON'T WORK UNLESS WE CAN DO THAT. 
          IF WE, IF WE WERE TO GO FURTHER WITH THAT PROGRAM AFTER YOU'VE TESTED IT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS AND EVERYBODY LIKES IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT IF YOU , SO IT'S AUTOMATIC, YOU DON'T HAVE IT, YOU'RE NOT END USER'S NOT LOOKING AT IT FIRST BEFORE BILL PAY. 
          THEY AUTOMATICALLY DRAFT YOUR ACCOUNT. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY HAD US SET IT UP SO OUR BILL WOULD NEVER BE LATE. 
          WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ADULT PROBATION AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BRINGING THEIR GAS BILL CARDS STATEMENTS TO US. 
          SO WE GET 'EM PAID ON TIME AND THEY'VE HAD THEIR GAS TURNED OFF WHERE THEY COULDN'T GET GAS AND WE'VE HAD TO HURRY UP AND GET THE MONEY TO THAT COMPANY WHERE SHELL OR WHOEVER IT WAS WOULD TURN THEIR CARD BACK ON WHERE THEY COULD USE IT. 
          AND THIS WAY IF WE KNEW IT WAS AUTOMATICALLY PAID, WE DIDN'T GET CUT OFF. 
          YOU KNOW, SO WE'D HAVE HAVE IT SET LIKE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT A LOT OF ROAD MATERIALS, THEIR, THEIR LIMIT, THEIR CREDIT LIMIT TO PURCHASE MATERIALS WOULD BE A LOT HIGHER THAN SOMEBODY THAT'S FINE. 
          JUST MANAGING AN OFFICE AND GETTING SUPPLIES AND CLEANING THINGS, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          IT WAS A BIGGER MAJOR OPERATION TO DO THAT. 
          WERE SAYING SENDING, SENDING CREDIT CARD COMPANY CHECK MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE NOTHING BETTER, BUT WHATEVER. 
          YEAH, I CAN GET ON THE SYSTEM AT ALL TIMES, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON REAL TIME. 
          WELL THEN THAT'S GOOD TOO, BUT SHOW WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          I'LL BE I THING I'LL ADD TO IS THERE, THERE'S A, WE GET REBATE IN THE YEAR, 1% PERCENT WHATEVER YOUR VOLUME, SO YOU COULD BE GETTING THAT QUITE BIT OF YEAR PAID ELECTRIC BILL. 
          YEAH. 
          INITIALLY WHEN JACK BROUGHT THAT UP, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WELL WHY WRITE A CHECK TO THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES, UTILITY COMPANIES? WHY NOT PAY IT WITH THAT CREDIT CARD? AND THEN THE COUNTY WOULD GET THE TWO OR 3%, WHATEVER THEY AGREED TO GIVE US BACK. 
          THE MORE USERS AND THE MORE YOU SPEND, THE MORE YOU'RE GONNA GET BACK ON IT. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SELLING POINT. 
          LIKE INSTEAD OF FREE FLYING MILES, YOU GET SOME MONEY BACK. 
          WE'LL SAVE IT'S SAFE FOR THE COUNTY TOO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SAID, PAYING 15 BILLS, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          WE PAID ONE BILL AND, BUT YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T BE IN PAPER. 
          YOU, WE, WE WATCH. 
          YEAH, IT'S COMING DOWN. 
          UH, ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? I, PERSONNEL OFFICE. 
          LAURIE AND SHELLY ARE GONNA BE MOVING FOR DIANA 
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HERE PRETTY QUICK FOR PRIVACY REASONS. 
          UH, SO THAT'LL WALK OUT THERE. 
          AND UH, THE ISSUE WITH THE, UH, PAYROLL AND TWI TALKED WITH JOHNNY ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, HANDLED VERY SOON. 
          IF NOT, WOULDN'T HAVE TO INTERVENE. 
          THAT BEEN ER WELL, I, IT JUST HADN'T HAPPENED AND THERE'S NO LEGITIMATE, WE'VE GOTTA LOT OF MONEY HANGING OUT THERE ON THIS MACHINERY THAT WE'VE BOUGHT AND NOT FOR YEARS AND YEARS. 
          I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT HOW THIS SOFTWARE'S GONNA CRASH. 
          WELL, WE'RE READY TO GO AND I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S REARING BACK ON THE RANGE OR PAYROLL. 
          WELL, SO IN EVERY PAYROLL WE HAVE TO PULL DATA OFF. 
          THE OLD SYSTEM IS NOW 12-YEAR-OLD. 
          YEAH. 
          PUSH A TEST D SO WE CAN DO OUR THAT'S WHY YOUR FINANCIALS ARE NEVER UP TO DATE. 
          WELL, BECAUSE THEY CHARGE ME EACH TIME THEY HAVE TO CONVERT IT. 
          IF SOMEBODY GONNA MAKE A MOVE, WE GOING HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MOTIVATION SOMEHOW. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, I AGREE. 
          AND I, I DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION YESTERDAY, BUT THE MOTIVATION MAY BE PAYROLL MIGHT POSSIBLY BE MOVED TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT EITHER DONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? WELL GOOD SEEING Y'ALL. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY SEE YOU FOR FIVE HOURS. 
           IT'S BEEN, I I'M GETTING 
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YOU CAN COME BACK HERE AND LOOK. 
          YEAH, I, WHOEVER THAT'S THE PROBLEM 
          [03:47:08]
IS GOING OUT THERE. 
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YEAH, 
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DON'T BREAK NOTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
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ALL DONE. 
          ALL DONE. 
          DONE. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
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DID 
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Y'ALL ONE ONLINE.
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