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           THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING ON A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          IT'S A LITTLE EARLIER THAN WE, UH, START, BUT, UH, NORMALLY WE START AT NINE 30, BUT WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING. 
          IF YOU HAVE, UH, AN ITEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, AS THE SHERIFF SAID, UH, THERE'S A FORM THERE FOR YOU FILL OUT. 
          UH, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION TODAY, UH, FROM OUR CITIZENS, CITIZENS, UH, FACILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THEN ALSO THE OUTSIDE AUDITOR WILL BE HERE TO GIVE HIS REPORT. 
          SO, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT BEFORE WE BEGIN THAT, WE DO HAVE A FORM FOR YOU TO COMPLETE. 
          WE'LL BEGIN THIS MORNING WITH AN IMPLICATION, UH, THAT WILL BE GIVEN BY COMMISSIONER MANNING. 
          AND, UH, THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCES TO BOTH FLAGS AND DURING ANY REMARKS. 
          SO, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME AS AN STAND, MOST GRACIOUS HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, FOR THIS COURT TO COME TOGETHER TODAY TO MAKE THE DECISIONS OF THE COUNTY. 
          WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT, THAT, UH, ALL OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE DONE, AND WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO IMPROVING OUR COUNTY. 
          LOOK OVER US, LORD, AND GIVE US THE STRENGTH AND THE WISDOM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THIS COUNTY. 
          PROTECT OUR WORKERS AS THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THE ROAD. 
          PROTECT OUR SOLDIERS. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR THE PRETTY WEATHER YOU CAN SEE FIT. 
          WE COULD USE A LITTLE RAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CONTINUE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND BEFORE WE SUSTAIN ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE, ALL HONOR FLAG, I ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVIDUAL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, ANYBODY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT? SHERIFF, YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHT? NO, I, OKAY. 
          WELL, LET IT BE NOTED. 
          MR. CLARK IS, UH, NOT HERE, BUT HE'S ON WHETHER HE WILL SOON BE HERE, HE WILL BE GIVEN A PARTY SLIP WHEN HE GETS HERE FROM THE OLD DAYS AS A, AS A TEACHER. 
          AND SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES OVER. 
          I'M NOT SURE AT THIS POINT, BUT ANYWAY, UH, WE ARE HERE THIS MORNING TO, UH, START THE DISCUSSION FROM OUR CITIZENS, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND, UH, JIM THOMPSON IS, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THAT GROUP. 
          AND JIM, IF YOU COME UP TO THE FRONT HERE AND, UH, UH, SO WE CAN ALL SEE YOU AND HEAR YOU, AND THERE'S, UH, WHERE YOU CAN STAND. 
          AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT IS HERE. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME TO, UH, INTRODUCE, UH, THEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE, OR HOWEVER YOU WOULD, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT EVERYBODY HAS DONE. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          AND, UH, WELL, ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, CITIZENS FACILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, THAT YOU SET UP THE COMMITTEE AND GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THE FACILITIES OF COLTON COUNTY BECAUSE IT WAS A WORTHWHILE TASK THAT WE, UH, TOOK ON. 
          UH, TODAY. 
          UH, WE HAVE FIVE OF OUR, UH, 13 MEMBER COMMITTEE THAT ARE HERE TODAY. 
          MIKE SHOOK, BOB VIC, RON SCHOENBERGER, JIM DAVIS AND WENDY THOMAS ARE IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO REVIEW WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO AND, AND WHO'S INVOLVED IN WHAT WE DID, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT? ALRIGHT. 
          YES. 
          WON'T WE ASK THEM TO STAND SO WE CAN, UH, SEE WHO, WHO THEY'RE . 
          WE APPRECIATE. 
          WE, WE WERE APPOINTED, UH, ON MARCH 11TH, UH, AT, AT A SPECIAL MEETING AND, UH, GIVEN THE CHARGE TO, UH, STUDY, UH, TOUR AND REVIEW ALL OF THE COUNTY FACILITIES. 
          AND THERE WAS A LIST, UH, THAT WAS GIVEN TO US. 
          WE, WE ACTUALLY EXCEEDED THAT LIST, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN A SECOND. 
          BUT OUR MISSION WAS TO STUDY THOSE FACILITIES TO DETERMINE, UH, WHAT THE CURRENT AND TEACHER NEEDS MIGHT BE AS RELATED TO SAFETY, SECURITY, UH, STORAGE AND SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OF THE KALIN COUNTY FACILITIES. 
          UH, I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSA, APPOINTED MIKE SHOOK, BOB VIC, RON SCHOENBERGER, WHO ARE ALL HERE TODAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE COM, UH, APPOINTED JIM DAVIS, WHO'S HERE. 
          BILL BEDRICK. 
          BILL BAKER, COMMISSIONER CLARK APPOINTED MIGA BAIN, JUDGE BAIN, CARRIE GRIFFIN AND SANDRA WILSON. 
          AND COMMISSIONER MANNING, APPOINTED TANYA RATCLIFFE, LARRY TEAGUE AND WENDY THOMAS, WHO'S HERE TODAY. 
          THE BUILDINGS THAT, UH, WE, UH, OVER A PERIOD OF, UH, EIGHT WEEKS, UH, REVIEWED AND TOURED WERE 
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THE KAMAN COUNTY COURTHOUSE, THE ANNEX BUILDING, THE SOUTH CAMPUS. 
          AND MANY OF THESE BUILDINGS HAVE THE WORD OLD IN FRONT OF, AND THAT'S A KEY PART OF OUR, UH, FINDINGS. 
          SOME OF 'EM EVEN SAY OLD, OLD, I THINK. 
          YES, , THE SOUTH CAMPUS, THE OLD JAIL BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE THE MASONIC LODGE, UH, CURRENTLY HAS THEIR MEETINGS. 
          THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, WHICH IS ON THE SQUARE, ALL OF THE PUBLIC PARKING AREAS. 
          THE OLD, OLD LIBRARY STORAGE BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THE SQUARE. 
          UH, THE BUILDING THAT, UH, WE CURRENTLY COUNTY CURRENTLY LEASES FOR THE VOTING EQUIPMENT JUST OFF THE SQUARE, THE COUNTY EXTENSION OFFICE ON 34, THE OLD ARMORY BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BECOME, UH, NINE 11 COMMAND CENTER PURSUIT. 
          THE, WHAT I WOULD, IT DOESN'T SAY NEW HERE, BUT I WANT TO SAY THE NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR NINE YEARS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE NEW IN THE JAIL AND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          ALL OF THE SUB COURTHOUSES IN FORNEY, KEMP, AND TERRELL, ALL OF PRECINCT COUNTY, BARNES PRECINCT, 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. 
          THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER, WHICH IS IN THE OLD POST OFFICE AND THE COLTON COUNTY LIBRARY, WE ALSO TOURED, UH, WHICH IS NOT A COUNTY PROPERTY, BUT, UH, JUDGE SPAIN AND FORNEY, UH, INVITED US TO TOUR THE MUNICIPAL COURT BUILDING AND POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST TO SEE WHAT COULD BE, UH, IF YOU HAD A NEW COURT BUILDING AND, AND SEE THE, UH, AMOUNT OF SPACE AND, AND HOW EVERYTHING WORKS. 
          SO WE DID THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, THE, WE HAD A RESOURCE COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WAS ALSO APPOINTED ON MARCH 11TH THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THE JUDGES AND, AND, UH, THE, UH, CLERKS. 
          UH, AND THEY PROVIDED US WITH NOT ONLY VERBAL INFORMATION, BUT ALSO WRITTEN MEMOS AND LETTERS AND REPORTS THAT DEALT WITH THEIR PARTICULAR AREA, THEIR PARTICULAR BUILDING OR THEIR PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT, AND OUTLINED WHAT THEY SAW AS THEIR NEEDS GOING FORWARD. 
          NOT ONLY CURRENT NEEDS, BUT FUTURE NEEDS. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, A VERY THICK FILE OF INFORMATION THAT ALL OF US, UH, HAVE AND, UH, WRITTEN INFORMATION. 
          AND THEN WE TOOK, UH, OVER THE SPAN OF THESE EIGHT WEEKS, EVERY WEEK WE WENT TO DIFFERENT FACILITIES. 
          SOMETIMES MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO, SOMETIMES IT WAS THREE OR FOUR. 
          SO WE, WE COVERED THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE, WHICH, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ALL FOUR PRECINCTS, IS A DIVERSE, UH, COMMITTEE. 
          BUT THERE WAS, WE WERE ALL UNANIMOUS IN WHAT WE ENDED UP, UH, PROVIDING YOU THIS REPORT. 
          UH, IN OUR LAST MEETING. 
          UH, WE, WE TOOK ALL THE TIME WE NEEDED TO COMPILE, ORGANIZE, AND PRIORITIZE ALL OF THE, OF OUR FINDINGS INTO WHAT WE TURNED, UH, SHORT TERM. 
          AND THAT WAS A LONGER LIST. 
          BUT THE, AND THEN LONG TERM AND THE SHORT TERM WERE ITEMS THAT WE FELT LIKE NEEDED TO BE HANDLED IMMEDIATELY. 
          AND THE LONG TERM, WE FELT LIKE TWO TO FIVE YEARS, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. UH, WE WERE CHAPERONED AND, AND LED AROUND, UH, VERY EFFECTIVELY, UH, BY MS. PAM QUARTER, WHO, UH, REALLY HELPED US GET IN AND OUT OF ALL OF THE S IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES WHO WERE VERY GRACIOUS IN LETTING US COME IN THEIR FACILITIES AND SPENDING TIME WITH US, UH, AND, UH, BASICALLY POURING THEIR HEART OUT TO US TO LET US KNOW, UH, WHAT THEY NEEDED AND, UH, WHAT THEY HOPED WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          THE OVERALL, BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE FACILITIES, UM, A LOT OF 'EM NEED TO BE, UH, VACATED, UH, IN OUR OPINION, AS THE REPORT SAYS, UH, A LOT OF THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING UNDER, UH, STRESSFUL CONDITIONS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS IN KAMAN COUNTY, BUT ALSO IT IS CROWDED IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, UH, AND THE THE SPACE DOES NOT IN, IN, IN MANY INSTANCES, DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. 
          THEY'RE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY WHERE THEY ARE. 
          BUT, UH, I THINK IF MY EMPLOYEES OR MY CONSTRUCTION COMPANY HAD TO WORK UNDER SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THEY ARE, THEY'D PROBABLY FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO WORK. 
          BUT I, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY'RE DOING A, A GOOD JOB IN SOME FACILITIES THAT REALLY NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          AND I HOPE THAT IN FACT, IF WE COULD SNAP OUR FINGERS AND A AND APPROPRIATE ALL THE MONEY FOR YOU TO DO THIS, OUR, OUR COMMITTEE WOULD WOULD GLADLY DO IT. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I THINK I'VE SAID EVERYTHING I NEED TO, WE HAD A DEADLINE, UH, THAT YOU 
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GAVE US OF JULY 1ST, AND WE FELT NO NEED IN EXTENDING, UH, TO THAT PERIOD. 
          WE, WE TURNED OUR REPORT IN ON, UH, MAY 13TH, EIGHT, EIGHT WEEKS AFTER YOU, UH, APPOINTED US, UH, FOR THIS MISSION. 
          SO I'M PREPARED, AND AS I TOLD MY, UH, FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, IF YOU ASK ANY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA LOOK THAT WAY. 
          I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, JIM, ON THE, UH, FIRST ITEM UNDER THE SHORT TERM, THIS IS THE, THE, UH, UH, I GUESS THE, THE BIGGEST PROJECT THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WE WOULD, UH, UNDERTAKE IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WHICH, UH, UH, INVOLVE RELO RELOCATING THESE EXISTING FOUR COURTS TO A NEW FACILITY. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT, UH, WHERE THAT SHOULD BE. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT IS NOT ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON, BUT COULD YOU GIMME AN IDEA OR GIVE US AN IDEA ON EXACTLY KIND OF WHERE THAT DISCUSSION WENT, UH, UH, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T MAKE A SPECIFIC RE UH, RECOMMENDATION? YES. 
          UH, IN, IN SEVERAL CASES, AND, AND PROBABLY THIS IS THE MOST PROMINENT ITEM, WE WANTED TO GIVE THE, THE COURT, UH, SOME LEEWAY AND SOME FLEXIBILITY AND NOT BE TOO RIGID ON, YOU MUST DO IT THIS WAY. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE LEFT IT SOME SOMEWHAT OPEN. 
          BUT WHEN IT SAYS NEW FACILITY, UH, THAT NEW FACILITY IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE CURRENT SITUATION, IT'S GOING TO BE AT, AT A, AT ANOTHER AREA. 
          AND THE MOST LOGICAL AREA, UH, IS ADJACENT TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER. 
          UH, HAVING TALKED TO, UM, ALL OF THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT WERE IN CHARGE OF THESE DIFFERENT AREAS INCLUDED, OF COURSE, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE JUDGES WHO HAVE TO CONDUCT, UH, THEIR COURTS IN THE CONDITIONS WHERE THEY ARE NOW. 
          UH, THEY BELIEVE ON THE HOLD THAT A NEW FACILITY IS REQUIRED, THAT THE CURRENT COURTHOUSE, ALTHOUGH IF IT'S REMODELED, CAN BE USED, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VACATED, BUT IT CAN BE USED FOR MANY COUNTIES, UH, DEPARTMENTS. 
          BUT THE, THE NEW, THE FOUR COURTS THAT ARE IN THERE NEED TO BE RELOCATED TO A NEW FACILITY. 
          AND, UH, THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE PROBABLY IS NEXT TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LEEWAY TO PUT IT WHEREVER YOU THOUGHT WAS BEST. 
          UM, THE, THE CURRENT COURTHOUSE, UH, HAVING BEEN BUILT, I BELIEVE IN THE EARLY FIFTIES IS, IS, UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, IS DESIGNATED A, A HISTORICAL BUILDING. 
          AND, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, SECURITY VESTIBULE THAT WAS BUILT, UH, TWO AND A HALF OR OR A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN AN EXTENSION, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE ALLOWED TO KEEP IT ANOTHER, ABOUT ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          THE BUILDING IS NOT, UH, ALL THOSE SECURITY, UH, IS, IS ADEQUATE THAT IT IS, UH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THAT ALL LEAD US TO ALL THE BELIEVE IT'S KIND OF A BANDAID. 
          AND WITH THE RESTRICTIONS THAT, THAT AUSTIN PUTS ON HISTORICAL BUILDINGS, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT BUILDING SECURE AS IT NEEDS TO BE TO BRING PRISONERS IN AND OUT AND HOLD COURT. 
          AND THAT'S THE OPINION OF SOME OF THE JUDGES THERE AS WELL, WHO ARE, WHO ARE THERE EVERY DAY. 
          AND I, I AGREE WITH THEM. 
          SO THAT FACILITY IS USABLE, UH, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME MATCHING FUNDS, UH, BECAUSE OF IT BEING A HISTORICAL BUILDING AND RENOVATE IT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS HOLDING, UH, COURT THERE AND THE, FOR COURTS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S INEFFICIENT AND IT'S, UH, NOT AS SECURE AS IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          AND IT'S OVERCROWDED AND IT'S, IT'S OUTLIVED, ITS, ITS LIFE REALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD. 
          ALSO, OF COURSE, WE HAVE A COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, AND THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE IS LOCATED IN THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE AS MOST COURTHOUSE WOULD HAVE. 
          UH, BUT THEY HAVE A VERY, UH, IMPORTANT PART AS FAR AS THE FLOW OF, UH, INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH TO THE, THE TWO COURTS, UH, WITH THIS FACILITY. 
          UH, DID Y'ALL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THE COUNTY CLERK AND DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE? YES, UH, FOR SURE ABOUT THE DISTRICT AND COUNTY CLERKS. 
          AS, AS WE, UH, STUDIED AND LEARNED AND GAINED INFORMATION FROM THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THE JUDGES, WE CAME TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY GO TOGETHER, UH, THEY NEED TO BE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          SO WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, 
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THE CLERK'S OFFICES NEED TO BE A PART OF THE NEW, UH, COURT BUILDING IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU END UP DOING. 
          AND THAT STILL LEAVES QUITE A BIT OF DEPARTMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT CAN OCCUPY THAT BUILDING AND STILL, AND NOT QUOTE, KILL THE SQUARE, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO DO. 
          UH, WE THINK WE CAN DO BOTH, UH, REALLY IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS TO, UH, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UH, I DON'T SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER, UH, DISCUSSING EXACTLY WHERE THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE OUGHT TO BE. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS CAN ADD TO THAT, BUT IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT, IT IS A PART OF THE PROCESS EVERY DAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OFFICE YES. 
          AS WELL. 
          SO YES, THOSE FACILITIES WOULD ALL PROBABLY BE A PART OF YES. 
          OF WHATEVER YOU FACILITY. 
          IF WE DECIDE TO GO THAT WAY, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO BE THERE AS WELL. 
          AND NO ONE WANTS TO GET RID OF OR VACATE, MAKE THE COURTHOUSE VACANT OR, OR, OR KILL THE SQUARE. 
          THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR DISCUSSION. 
          BUT WE THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD, UH, THE, THE, THE SQUARE OF THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY THIS, THIS ANNEXED BUILDING. 
          AND THE, AND THE COURTHOUSE COULD BE USED VERY EFFECTIVELY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND OVERALL, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S QUITE A FEW BUILDINGS, AS WE MENTIONED IN HERE, SAY THE, UH, THE OLD JAIL, I DUNNO IF THAT'S THE OLD, OLD JAIL OR WHAT, BUT I CALL IT OLD JAIL. 
          THE MASONIC, UH, UH, UH, FOLKS MEET, UH, SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES LIKE THAT WE, WE THINK NEED TO BE GOTTEN RID OF. 
          UH, THEY'RE INEFFICIENT, THEY'RE OLD, AND IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO FIX THEM. 
          AND THEY'RE, UH, AS MIKE SHOOK HAS REMINDED US ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM THAT DON'T MEET A DA AND ANYTIME YOU START CONSTRUCTION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, BRING THINGS UP TO STANDARDS TO, UH, THE, UH, DISABILITIES ACT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, WELL, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, YOU THEY DID THAT ARE ON THE SHARP TERM LIST ARE, ARE REALLY MAINTENANCE ITEMS AND ITEMS THAT, UH, PROBABLY WE CAN HANDLE, YOU KNOW, WITH FUNDING THAT TAKE CARE OF PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          YES. 
          UH, THE BIG ONE, OF COURSE, WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN WITH THE SECOND ONE WITH THE ANNEX, THE, THE WORK THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING UPSTAIRS AND THIS BUILDING, UH, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE A DESIGN THAT HAS BEEN MADE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, AND, AND, BUT THE FEELING IS WE SHOULD CONTINUE ALONG WITH, UH, THE REMODELING OF THE UPSTAIRS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ONE REASON WE, WE DIDN'T TRY, IN THE SHORT TERM LIST, THERE'S 24 ITEMS. WE REALLY, UH, DIDN'T TRY TO PRIORITIZE THEM AS ONE TO 24, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THE COURTHOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE STUCK THAT UP THERE. 
          THAT WAS A NO BRAINER. 
          AND THE FACT THAT WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PLANS OR HAVE THE, THE PHONE APPROPRIATED AND ARE WORKING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT WE WANTED, WE PUT, WE STUCK THAT ON THERE. 
          LET'S GET IT DONE RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT NUMBER EIGHT, PROVIDE SECURITY CAMERAS. 
          THERE'S, AT ALL THE FACILITIES, THERE'S DIFFERENT DEGREES OF, OF SECURITY. 
          AND, UH, IN MOST CASES, THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH CAMERAS ON. 
          WE HEARD IN, UH, ON SEVERAL INSTANCES, THE, UH, FROM, FROM THE EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, TO MAKE THIS PLACE SECURE, WE NEED A CAMERA OUT HERE WHERE WE CAN SEE WHO'S COMING IN. 
          AND THAT HAPPENED, FOR INSTANCE, OUT AT THE, UH, SOUTH CAMPUS. 
          UH, WE HAVE ONE CONSTABLE OUT THERE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SECURITY OF THOSE TWO COURTS. 
          AND YOU CAN WALK RIGHT IN THE FRONT DOOR AND DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO. 
          AND, AND IT IS DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO, UM, AS HE SAID, THAT'S WHOEVER DRAWS THE QUICKEST IS, UH, BEST IN SECURITY. 
          SO WE, WE, KAUFMAN IS NOT EVER GOING TO BE THE SAME AS IT WAS A YEAR AGO. 
          WE'VE CHANGED, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          AND SO SECURITY WAS A BIG ISSUE WITH OUR COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS WITH THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO AND ALSO THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, WE FELT LIKE THERE, THERE NEEDED TO BE A, A, AN UPTICK IN THAT. 
          AND THAT MANY OF THE BUILDINGS WERE LITTLE TICKY-TACKY THINGS THAT WERE NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF FOR, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, WAS, UH, PRETTY MUCH A STANDARD ISSUE. 
          AND THOSE THINGS, UH, IN OLD BUILDINGS ARE A CONSTANT PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S ONE REASON WE THOUGHT WE FELT LIKE THAT A LOT OF THE OLD BUILDINGS NEED. 
          WE JUST NEED TO CUT 'EM LOOSE AND GET RID OF 'EM AND, AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S EFFECTIVE. 
          AND, UM, SECURE AND STORAGE OVER AND OVER. 
          WE HEARD FROM, UH, PEOPLE ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH STORAGE AND, AND, UH, OR IT'S INEFFICIENT. 
          FOR INSTANCE, IN THE OLD, OLD, UH, LIBRARY ON THE SQUARE, THAT BUILDING THE ROOF LEAKS, YOU GOT FILES ON THE FLOOR, UH, THINGS ARE FALLING DOWN, IT'S A MESS. 
          AND PEOPLE HAVE, UH, THE CLERKS HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO GET FILES TO GO BACK TO THE COURTHOUSE. 
          THAT'S VERY INEFFICIENT. 
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AND ALL OF THESE THINGS COMBINED, ALTHOUGH THE COUNTY, UH, WE FELT LIKE THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AND WORKING UNDER VERY STRESSFUL CONDITIONS GIVEN THE, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. 
          UH, THEY'RE WORKING WITH IT. 
          THEY DO, THEY PRETTY MUCH, THE THING WAS, WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. 
          WE'LL WORK WITH WHATEVER YOU GIVE US, BUT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS OR THAT IF IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          SO WE'VE GOT ALL THAT ON HERE, WE THINK. 
          AND, UM, WE, WE TRIED ALSO NOT TO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT, WELL, WE CAN'T PUT THAT ON THERE. 
          THAT MIGHT COST TOO MUCH, OR WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. 
          WE DID NOT, UH, LET THAT BE, OR A, A DETERMINANT ABOUT WHAT GOES ON THE LIST. 
          WE, WE TOURED, WE, WE TALKED TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE. 
          WE GOT INPUT FROM EVERYBODY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST, BUT WE WANT, WE WANT IT TO BE DONE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. 
          AND ON THE SECURITY ISSUE, I, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, AND I, UH, I THINK SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THIS. 
          I'M NOT SURE THE COMMITTEE WAS AWARE OR NOT, BUT WE HAVE ASKED THE US MARSHAL'S OFFICE TO COME IN AND DO A SECURITY HAUL OF ALL OF OUR FACILITIES. 
          AND I RECEIVED ONE BACK, UH, YESTERDAY FROM, UH, UH, FOR, FOR THE MAIN COURTHOUSE. 
          AND THEY'VE MADE SEVERAL SUGGESTIONS, WHICH SOME OF 'EM WILL BE PRETTY EASY TO IMPLEMENT. 
          SOME OF THEM WILL NOT, BUT WE, THEY'VE ALSO, UH, LOOKED AT ALL OF OUR SUB AS WELL. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'LL BE GETTING THAT INFORMATION BACK. 
          AND, UH, IT'S EXPENSIVE. 
          THERE ARE SOME GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE, UH, STATE, UH, THAT WE CAN SEE TO HELP UPGRADE, PARTICULARLY THE, UH, CAMERAS, UH, AND VIDEO OF, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE THE CAMERAS NOW IN MANY OF OUR AREAS, BUT SOME OF 'EM ARE 10 OR 12 YEARS OLD. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONING VERY WELL. 
          THEY'RE NOT AS UP TO DATE AS WHAT SOME OF THE NEW EQUIPMENT IS. 
          SO PART OF, PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE CAMERAS WAS NOT ONLY THAT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH, OR THEY WEREN'T IN THE RIGHT PLACES, BUT THERE WASN'T, THEY WEREN'T RECORDING LONG ENOUGH SO THAT IF YOU NEEDED TO GO BACK AND CHECK WHO WAS THAT CHARACTER THAT CAME IN HERE, UH, 30 DAYS AGO AND ACTED LIKE INAPPROPRIATELY, YOU COULDN'T NECESSARILY, IN ALL CASES GO BACK AND FIND HIM BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED SO MUCH IN THE LAST YEAR YEARS THAT, THAT THOSE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN UPGRADED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE TO REFER BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY THE 31ST IS NEXT DOOR HERE, BUT HAD WE HAD, UH, A BETTER OBSERVATION, PERHAPS IT MIGHT NOT HAVE OCCURRED AT LEAST THERE, BUT WHO, THE PERSON THAT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, CHARGED WITH THAT CRIME PROBABLY HAD SCOUTED ALL THAT OUT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING THAT KIND OF STRUCK ME WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING, AND THAT I DON'T WANT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO JUMP IN HERE AND ASK QUESTIONS AS WELL, BUT YOUR GROUP, UM, WE APPOINTED YOU ON MARCH THE 11TH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THE, UH, MURDER OF MARK HASSEY OCCURRED ON JANUARY THE 31ST. 
          THE, UH, MERGERS OF MR. MS. MCCLELLAN OCCURRED THREE WEEKS AFTER YOU GUYS WERE APPOINTED ON MARCH 30TH, ON THE SATURDAY BEFORE EASTER SUNDAY. 
          SO, UH, YOU WERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YES. 
          WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE GOING THROUGH AS THE COUNTY, AND YOU PROBABLY SAW SOME OF THOSE MOTIONS. 
          WELL, YES. 
          UH, THERE WAS ALL ALREADY, WHEN YOU APPOINTED US AN URGENCY ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TO DO, AND EVERYONE WAS, UH, IT WAS SIGN A SIGNIFICANT, UH, EVENT THAT HAD OCCURRED. 
          AND, AND WE WERE AWARE OF IT, AND WE KNEW THAT WHAT WE WERE DOING, IT WASN'T JUST A ROUTINE FACILITIES, UH, STUDY, SO EVERYONE WAS, WAS, UH, INVOLVED IN PAYING ATTENTION, BUT IT TOOK ON A NEW LEVEL, OBVIOUSLY. 
          UH, WE, WE, UH, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY MCQUE MCCLELLAN HAD BEEN IN THE FIRST MEETING WITH US, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE WERE CHARGED WITH OUR, OUR MISSION. 
          SO, UH, IT STRUCK HOME VERY CLOSE. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE, AS WE VISITED THE FACILITIES, UH, WE, UH, OBVIOUSLY OBSERVED, UH, THE CHIEF WORKING UNDER VERY STRESSFUL CONDITIONS AND, AND, UH, FRANKLY SCARED. 
          RIGHT? AND I DON'T BLAME HIM FOR THAT. 
          BUT, UM, SO, UH, I, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT ALSO THAT NUMBER 19, UM, THE REPAIR OF THE HVAC IN, IN THE COURTHOUSE, THAT WAS ALMOST A UNANIMOUS, UH, ISSUE THAT KEPT OCCURRING IN ALL THE LETTERS WE GOT FROM THE JUDGES AND THE CLERKS. 
          AND WITH ALL THE STRESS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN A COURTHOUSE, AS YOU COULD WELL IMAGINE THAT SOME OF YOU'VE BEEN IN AS, AS A, UH, I'VE 
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BEEN A PART OF A, OF A CASE, UH, IF IT'S HOT AND, AND, UH, NOT COMFORTABLE, THAT JUST ADDS TO THE, UH, ANGST THAT THAT COULD CAUSE SOMEONE WHO'S, WHO'S, UH, READY TO DO SOMETHING GOOFY TO DO IT. 
          SO, UH, PLUS IT'S JUST, UH, REASONABLE FOR OUR, OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO HAVE COMFORT AS THEY DO THEIR JOBS. 
          SO WHATEVER IT TAKES, UH, AND IF WE CAN GET FUNDS FROM THE STATE, FINE THAT WE CAN'T, WE NEED TO FIX THAT ONE PRETTY QUICK. 
          I THINKERS, IN YOUR OPINION, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD MOVE OFFICES AROUND, LIKE, RECONSTRUCT, REFURBISH SOME OF OUR FACILITIES TO GET ALL THE COURTS, OR AT LEAST THE CRIMINAL COURTS IN ONE BUILDING, OR IT COULD BE SECURED, UH, BE SAFE FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE ATTORNEYS? I DON'T, UH, DO WE HAVE A BUILDING LARGE ENOUGH THAT WE OWN, OWN A BUILDING THAT, BESIDES TO DO THAT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME. 
          UH, I WILL LET ANY OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE SPEAK TO IT, BUT FROM OUR FINDINGS, WE DON'T THINK SO. 
          AND, UH, THE, THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST BUILDINGS, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, I THINK THAT WE OWN. 
          UH, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. 
          WE TOURED ABOUT 20 PROBABLY OTHER THAN THE JAIL, THE OLD JAIL. 
          WELL, THE, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OUT AT THE SOUTH CAMPUS, BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT. 
          THE, UH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          I SAID, WHY NOT? WHAT'S, WHAT'S INAPPROPRIATE ABOUT THAT BUILDING? UH, WELL, IT IS NOT NEXT TO WHERE THE BAD GUYS ARE, AND IT, IT, IT, OVER AND OVER, WE HEARD FROM, FROM THE JUDGES THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WE HAVE IS THE TRANSPORT OF THESE PRISONERS TO AND FROM, UH, A REMOTE FACILITY. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE, IN THE COURTHOUSE, THEY'RE DRAGGING THEM THROUGH THE, UH, HALLWAY WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S THERE TO PUT WITH HER, UH, TO GET A PASSPORT. 
          UH, LITERALLY, UH, IN MS. HUEY'S OFFICE, SHE HAS, SHE'S HAD PEOPLE SHACKLED, UH, THERE IN FRONT OF HER AND, AND A MOTHER WITH A, WITH A DAUGHTER THERE GETTING, GETTING SERVICES FROM HER. 
          SO IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          BUT NOW, IS IT POSSIBLE? UH, YES. 
          I THINK THAT IT MIGHT COST MORE MONEY TO TRY TO FIX OR TO MAKE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS WORK, UH, COMMISSIONER THAN IT WOULD TO JUST START ANEW. 
          AND, UH, BECAUSE WE, WE SAW FROM ALL OF THE YEARS THAT, THAT WE'VE, UH, COFFIN COUNTY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. 
          WE, AND, AND, UH, DOING A GOOD JOB WITH MAKING 'EM WORK. 
          BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE OLD AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TO MAKE, TO FIX, TO MAKE THE WORK. 
          AND ALSO REALLY, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, AS, AS, UH, MR. CHU HAS REMINDED US, AADA A IS GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY IF YOU REALLY, UH, AND THE STATE'S GONNA REQUIRE THAT WHEN YOU START, UH, REMODELING THESE BUILDINGS. 
          SO, UH, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST CHOICE. 
          DEAR. 
          FIRST, I THANK YOU AND THE COMMITTEE, UH, BY THE TIME THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW IT TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND MY EXPERIENCE IN WASHINGTON, YOU WORKED. 
          YOU WERE, Y'ALL WERE VERY THOROUGH IN WHAT YOU WENT, WENT ABOUT. 
          AND THE SECOND THING IS, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO STAY COMPLETELY OUT OF THE, THIS PROCESS. 
          WE THOUGHT THIS, THESE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT YOU NEEDED TO BE DOING. 
          WE WANT TO HEAR FROM, FROM YOUR COMMITTEE. 
          UH, ONE THING THAT I REALLY FOUND, UH, INTERESTING IN YOUR REPORT, AND I PROBABLY COULD HAVE LISTED THREE, FOUR OF THESE THINGS ON MY WISHLIST TOO, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT, SOME OF 'EM ARE PRETTY OBVIOUS. 
          UH, SOME OF 'EM WERE BELL RINGERS TO US, TO ME, ANYWAY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME OF THIS WAS GOING ON. 
          SO VERY GOOD PROCESS. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU JUST MADE THE POINT ON THAT WE REALLY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST US TO REMODEL THESE BUILDINGS VERSUS BUILDING A NEW FACILITY. 
          OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, LIQUIDATING ANY OF OUR REAL ESTATE. 
          MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. 
          MAYBE WE NEED TO SELL SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE GOT THAT WE CAN'T FIX ECONOMICALLY AND PUT THAT MONEY TO WORK ON A NEW FACILITY. 
          BUT I GUESS ONE BIG QUESTION I GOT IS ONE THING I'VE HOPING ALL ALONG, BESIDES, I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF BUILDING A NEW PORCH BUILDING AT THE JAIL FOR ABOUT THE LAST 10 YEARS, AND I'M GLAD THAT BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, BUT I'M GLAD THAT Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE SECOND THING THAT WE'VE BEEN KIND OF LOOKING 
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AT WAS TRYING TO GET OUTTA THAT INEFFICIENT OLDVILLE, THE SOUTH CAMPUS. 
          WHY WOULD A COMMITTEE MAYBE LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY GETTING OUT OF THERE? BUT YOU WOULDN'T PUT ENGINES IN HEALTHCARE OUT THERE? WE, I THINK WE, UH, PROBABLY THAT, THAT THAT WAS A, UM, A MARGINAL ITEM. 
          WE INDIGENT HEALTHCARE DOESN'T HAVE, AREN'T THEY? RIGHT ACROSS? YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S NOT, THEY NEED SPACE. 
          WE, WE, AFTER THE FACT, I THINK WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAID, RELOCATE THEM TO SOME PLACE. 
          IT'S NOT, THERE WASN'T ANY PARTICULAR REASON OUT THERE. 
          I THINK THAT WE THOUGHT MAYBE ALL THE SPACE UPSTAIRS WAS TAKEN AND WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE. 
          SO WE SAID, WELL, IF THERE'S SPACE OUT THERE, PUT 'EM OUT THERE. 
          BUT THERE'S NO PARTICULAR REASON WHY WE SAID THEY MUST BE OUT THERE. 
          WE JUST WANTED THEM TO HAVE MORE SPACE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          THERE IS, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS TO ME, I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED TO, WE DO HAVE THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IN THAT LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE JV IS, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME COORDINATION OF SERVICES THAT COULD BE, UH, WITH THOSE OFFICES TOGETHER. 
          NOW WE DON'T, WE DON'T. 
          THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHY WE, YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, IN THE HEAT OF THE BATTLE DECIDE WHY DON'T WE PUT 'EM OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S A, A GOOD PLACE. 
          BUT, UH, SHE HAS, UH, FOLKS THAT COME IN AND WHEELCHAIRS AND WALKERS AND YOU CAN'T HARDLY WALK PAST HER DESK THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CAN'T, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO FILL OUT PAPERS. 
          THAT'S A REALLY SMALL, UH, AREA. 
          SO WE, WE JUST NEED TO FIND NURSING SPACE. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER THING I JUST THOUGHT OF, WHEN YOU START TEARING INTO THESE OLD BUILDINGS AND REMODEL 'EM, YOU LOT WILL RUN INTO SOME ASBESTOS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER COST, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN IN ADDITION TO THE AADA, A REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE WHEN YOU BUILD A NEW BILL. 
          JIM, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE COMMITTEES JOB THAT Y'ALL DONE WITH, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER FOR US. 
          IT REALLY GIVES US AN EYE OPENING OF WHAT OUR COUNTY LOOKS LIKE. 
          UH, IF THE AVERAGE PERSON OUT HERE THAT'S IN BUSINESS LOOKED AT THIS, HE'D SAY, THIS IS PITIFUL. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I, WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS TALK ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE ACROSS THE AISLE HERE. 
          FIRST THING, SHE'D TAKE HER COUCH HOME AND FEW OTHER THINGS. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE, EMPLOYEES HERE, LOOKS LIKE THEY GOT THEIR HOUSE HERE SITTING IN, IN THEIR OFFICE AND, AND PUT JUST WHAT NEEDS TO BE HERE IS COUNTY THINGS, FIELDS, AND THINGS ON THE WALL HANGING ON THE WALL, BUT DON'T HAVE ALL YOUR FURNITURE AND EVERYTHING FROM THE HOUSE HERE AT YOUR OFFICE. 
          THERE'S CERTAINLY OFFICES THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT, HEY, THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT THEIR HOUSE OVER HERE TO, TO THE JOB SITE AND IT WOULD THREE UP SPACE THERE. 
          BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. 
          BUT I, I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND SET US A GOAL AND HAVE THIS A TWO TO FIVE YEAR PLAN OF GETTING THIS SAME FOCUS, SELLING OFF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE NEED TO SELL AND, AND, AND BE READY TO BUILD SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          BUT IT'S GOING TO BE TWO TO FIVE YEARS THE WAY I SEE IT. 
          AND I THINK Y'ALL GUNS GAME PLAYING OUT. 
          I, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S WORK WHEN, WHEN WE, UH, WE'RE ALL BUSY AND Y'ALL ARE BUSY ABOUT DOING WHAT YOU DO. 
          BUT WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THE TIME, UH, TO, TO, UH, WALK AND TOUR AND, AND, UH, LISTEN TO ALL THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES WHO ARE RIGHT THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. 
          YOU, YOU FIND OUT THINGS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU PROBABLY WALK RIGHT BY AND DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE BECAUSE NOBODY'S GRIPING AND B******G, UH, ABOUT THINGS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING WHATEVER, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO DO THEIR JOB. 
          BUT WHEN WE ASK THEM WHAT CAN WE DO, UH, TO HELP YOU, TO MAKE YOU DO A BETTER JOB AND TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICES TO, UH, OUR CITIZENS, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GET THIS INFORMATION. 
          AND, AND IT'S VERY VALUABLE AND I HOPE YOU ARE ABLE TO ACT ON IT. 
          JIM, I, I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE JOB THAT YOU AND YOUR COMMITTEE IS DONE. 
          AND I, I THANK ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE AND I KNOW Y'ALL TAKING A LOT OF TIME AND, UH, LATE HOURS AND, UH, PROBABLY TOSSING AND TURNING AS MUCH AS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER DOES IN THAT STUDY ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT ALL THIS. 
          BUT, UH, IT IS QUITE A DAUNTING TASK HERE. 
          UM, I, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU AND, UH, ALSO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE ITEMS ON HERE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, OF, UH, UNUSED AND UNUSABLE FACILITIES. 
          AND OF COURSE, AS THE, AS 
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THE CUSTODIAN OF THE, UH, CUSTODIANS OF THE COUNTY PROPERTIES, UH, THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS BEEN, UH, A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO, TO, UH, SELL OR, OR GET RID OF, OF THESE UNUSABLE PROPERTIES. 
          AND, AND, UH, BECAUSE, AND I THINK THE MAIN REASON OF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE DEPRESSED REAL ESTATE MARKET AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          BUT, UH, IT MAY BE TIME FOR US TO, TO BITE THE BULLET ON SOME OF THIS STUFF AND, AND LET'S ROUND IT UP AND GET IT ON THE, ON THE BLOCK IF THAT'S WHAT WE'D SET ASIDE AS A, AS A COURT. 
          UM, AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, UH, THE VOTING PLACE AT THE PRECINCT COURT. 
          SO THE COURTHOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GROWING AND, AND, UH, THAT, THAT DEAL DOWN THERE IS REALLY CROWDED. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'VE BEEN AROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND DOWN THERE AND LOOKED AND LOOKED AND TRIED TO BRAINSTORM AND COME UP WITH A PLACE THAT'S LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE OUR VOTING PUBLIC. 
          AND, UH, I'M JUST HAVING A TOUGH TIME FINDING ANY PLACE, YOU KNOW, AND I, WITHOUT, AND OF COURSE I DON'T WANNA SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY 'CAUSE I'VE GOT ROADS THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE LOOK AT ME TO, TO FIX IS ROADS. 
          BUT THE, WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A BIGGER JOB AHEAD OF US TO PROVIDE SECURITY IN A COMFORTABLE WORKPLACE FOR OUR, OUR CITIZENS AND OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, THERE ARE ONE, ONE FIX ON THAT MIGHT BE, UH, IN THE MEANTIME IS GET SOME, UH, UH, SOUNDS VERY RATHER TRIVIAL, BUT THOSE OLD WOODEN BENCHES OH YEAH. 
          I PUT 'EM IN THE DUMPSTER AND BUY SOME STACKABLE CHAIRS THAT ARE EASY TO, TO GET OUTTA THE WAY WHEN, WHEN IT'S TIME TO BOAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          I AGREE. 
          YOU COULD EVEN INTERLOCK, UH, YOU CAN BUY THOSE CHAIRS THAT PUT TOGETHER SO THAT THEY CAN KIND OF STAY IN A ROW AND LIKE SOME CHURCH. 
          I AGREE, WE A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT AND I'LL SPEND A LOT OF TIME AT THAT, UH, LOOKING PROCEEDING AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          AND, UH, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO APPROPRIATE AMOUNT FUNDS TO DO THAT. 
          BUT ALSO, UM, THIS SECURITY FENCING FOR THE SHERIFF'S, UH, COMMUNICATION TOWERS LOCATED AT THE POOR, POOR FARM. 
          UM, I WAS, I HAD THOUGHT THAT THOSE, THAT SECURITY TOWER, DOESN'T IT HAVE A, DOESN'T IT HAVE A BIG FENCE AROUND? IT WOULD RAISE THE WIRE ON TOP CHAIR. 
          YOU MEAN ON THE OLD JAIL? NO, SIR. 
          DOWN HERE. 
          THE, AT THE NEW FACILITY. 
          OH YEAH, IT'S GOT, OH, OKAY. 
          THIS IS LOCATED AT THE POOR FARM. 
          THIS IS IT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S NOT SECURE FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S ONE AT THE POOR FARM IS NOT SECURE. 
          NO, IT'S GOT A SECURE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S NO, I DON'T THINK IT WAS TEST. 
          RIGHT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THE COUNTERTOPS IN THE TAX OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WOULD YOU ENLIGHTEN ME A LITTLE BIT ON THAT? THAT'S JUST, YES. 
          UH, MR. RATLIFF REQUESTED THAT, AND THAT SOME OF THOSE COUNTERS ARE, ARE SO HIGH THAT THE, THE PEOPLE WORKING BEHIND CAN'T EVEN SEE PEOPLE COMING TO, TO SERVE THEM. 
          AND SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE HER OPINION AND THE WORKERS THERE NEED TO BE CUT DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND WHERE THEY'D BE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          AND ALSO IT'S A LONG, I GUESS IT'S SOMEWHAT AWKWARD TO GET TO THE COUNTER. 
          IT'S A LONG REACH. 
          SO SHE WAS ASKING FOR SOME RENOVATIONS OF THOSE COUNTERS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, LEMME SEE. 
          THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WELL, ANYWAY, I GUESS I'VE GOT SO MUCH FOR STUFF RUNNING AROUND HERE THAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT. 
          WELL, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO QUESTION YOU ABOUT, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, I, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS AND BE ASSURED THAT THE, THE COMMISSIONER SCORE IS, WE ALL TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AND WE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE GOING TRY TO MAKE THE COUNTY AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE AND, AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE AS FAR AS THESE SHORT TERM NEEDS GO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND UH, ONE LAST THING AT LEAST THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD, OVERALL, WE WERE, UH, AS A GROUP A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED AT, AT THE DETERIORATION OF SO MUCH OF THE COUNTY PROPERTIES. 
          AND, UH, I HAD NEVER SEEN ALL OF THEM. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ALL OF US HAVE, BUT, UH, NOT TO PICK ON YOU GUYS 'CAUSE YOU'RE DOING YOUR, YOU'RE FIXING ROADS 
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AND DOING THE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO, BUT MOST OF THE COUNTY BARNS WERE BUILT IN THE SIXTIES. 
          AND, UH, I KNOW THAT YOU WANT SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT, BUT YOU'RE WORKING WITH IT AND DOING IT, BUT THE PAINT'S PEELING OFF OF 'EM. 
          AND, UM, THAT, THAT'S JUST A, A KIND OF A, AN EXAMPLE OF, OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN A LOT OF THE COUNTY PROPERTIES THAT WE WE'RE SO BUSY, WE DON'T EVEN SEE IT ANYMORE. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT HAPPENS TO ME. 
          I WALK BY THINGS AT MY HOUSE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT SPOT AND SAY, WHY DON'T YOU FIX THAT? BUT THE PAINT'S PEELING OFF OF THOSE SUCKERS AND IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE, UH, PAINT'S KIND OF CHEAP. 
          MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME PRISONERS TO REPAINT 'EM OR SOMETHING IN THE MEANTIME. 
          BUT JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT CAN, I THINK OVERALL, UH, CAUSE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, MORALE, YOU KNOW, OR, OR, OR OUR CULTURE CAN, CAN OCCUR THAT DAY. 
          IT'S OKAY TO BE, UH, NOT TIDY, NOT NEED, WHATEVER. 
          IT DOESN'T SEND ANY KIND OF MESSAGE THAT WE NEED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE THE MEN AND THE WOMEN WHO WORK FOR YOU AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS NOT GOOD. 
          IT IS. 
          I I JUST THINK IT WOULDN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT FOR US TO KIND OF TIDY THINGS UP AND AT LEAST HAVE A BETTER APPEARANCE, NOT ONLY FOR OUR OWN WELFARE AND THOSE WHO WORK THERE, BUT JUST, JUST THE PRIDE OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY, THE TAX FACILITIES, THAT'S ALL THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT A LOT OF, A LOT OF OUR FACILITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE. 
          RENOVATION WOULD HELP A LOT. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          JIM, DOES ANY OF YOUR COMMITTEE WISH TO SAY ANYTHING TO ANY OF YOU GUYS? WELL, THEY WERE ALL THE LADIES THAT ARE HERE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SHY. 
          I CAN TELL YOU  AND OF Y'ALL WANT TO ADD TO OR CHANGE ANYTHING THAT I SAID. 
          WELL, I KNOW YOU SPENT SEVERAL HOURS AND NIGHTS, UH, WORKING ON THIS AND MEETINGS GOING AROUND THE COUNTY. 
          I WHAT, SIX OR EIGHT MEETINGS I THINK YOU HAD ALL TOGETHER. 
          YES. 
          AND, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD IS, UH, IS IN A GOOD CONCISE FORM, BUT IT DELIVERS LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION FOR, AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ON HERE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED ADDRESSING. 
          I KNOW THAT CONTINUE SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT IT'S JUST THAT WE'VE GOT SO MANY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. 
          ONE, ONE OF THEM WAS DONE EVEN BEFORE WE SUBMITTED THE REPORT, BUT WE PUT IT ON HERE. 
          ANYWAY, , UH, I, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UH, I THINK OUR, OUR COMMITTEE WOULD AGREE, UH, WHAT I SAY. 
          BUT, UH, IF, IF THERE IS EVER A TIME IN, IN THE HISTORY OF HOFFMAN COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT FACILITIES AND TO, UH, UH, PLAN FOR THE NEXT 20, 25 YEARS, UH, IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE MORE ACUTE THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW, UH, WHILE THE VOTERS AND EVERYONE, UH, IS AWARE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND STILL FRESH IN THEIR MINDS. 
          SO I HOPE THAT, UH, Y'ALL ARE ABLE TO MOVE, UH, AT, AT SOMEWHAT OF A RAPID PACE TO, TO GET THIS, UH, UM, WELL THOUGHT OUT AND WELL PLANNED AND IN, AND WHEREVER YOU NEED TO APPROPRIATE THE MONEY, WHICH IS USUALLY FROM THE VOTERS IN SOME WAY OR FASHION THAT WE DON'T LET IT GO TOO LONG BECAUSE WE, WE ALL ARE CREATURES OF HEAVEN AND WE HAVE A WAY OF DEPARTMENTALIZING THINGS AND FORGETTING ABOUT 'EM AND MOVING ON WITH OUR LIVES, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. 
          BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, MAY BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, A CATALYST THAT WOULD, UH, UH, CAUSE US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          WELL, I I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT INTEREST RATES ARE, WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO START GOING UP RIGHT NOW, MUNICIPAL BOND RATES OR HISTORIC LOWERS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ALWAYS BE THERE. 
          THOSE RATES ARE GONNA GO UP. 
          I'D RATHER SPEND THE MONEY ON FACILITIES THAN, UH, A NEW YORK INVESTMENT BANKER THAT'S GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY ON INTEREST. 
          AND SO THAT PART OF IT, AND I HAVE AN IDEA, YOU'RE IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS. 
          I HAVE AN IDEA OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE GOING DOWN. 
          NO. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE STEADY RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, THINGS ARE STARTING TO PICK BACK UP. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE, BUT IT IS STILL A, A GOOD TIME, UH, BEFORE THEY, BEFORE THE BOOM, WE HAVEN'T STARTED, UH, BACK UP IN ANY BIG WAY. 
          THAT'S, IT'S, UH, SO IT'S A GOOD TIME TO MOVE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 
          I'LL FIGURED OUT MY OTHER QUESTION, JIM, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, UM, YOU'VE GOT HERE UNDER THE LONG TERM DEAL, PROVIDE ONE CENTRAL MAINTENANCE SHOP FOR ALL PRECINCTS. 
          UM, MAY I ASK WHERE THAT CAME FROM? WELL, WE GATHER THAT FROM ONE OF THE, UH, VISITS TO THE, TO, UH, ONE OF THE COUNTY BARNS WHERE WE, AFTER TALKING TO ALL FOUR OF YOU, UH, WE REALIZE THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS, DOES THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN, IN YOUR CASE, I THINK YOU FIX AND REPAIR EVERYTHING YOURSELF. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, IT'S NOT THAT WAY IN ALL 
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THE, IN ALL OF THE PRECINCTS. 
          AND WE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE MONEY OVERALL IF THERE WAS ONE, BECAUSE OF, UH, THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE, THE NEW MACHINERY AND EVERYTHING REQUIRES SOME, SOME, UH, OR WILL, UH, REQUIRE MORE TECHNICAL ABILITY AS INSTEAD OF WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S 15 OR 20 YEARS OLD MAYBE, AND MAYBE WE CAN HAVE AN EMPLOYEE OR TWO OR THREE THAT, UH, KNOW HOW TO DO ALL THAT AND THEY WORK ON ALL THE, UH, PRECINCTS MACHINERY RATHER THAN FARMING IT OUT, UH, TO, TO A THIRD PARTY. 
          IT, IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION THAT TO CONSIDER, IT'S NOT ON OUR IMMEDIATE LIST, IT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR YOU CONSIDERING THE FUTURE AS YOU GROW AND, UH, MAYBE TRY TO, TO ECONOMIZE THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHERE THAT CAME FROM BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, EVERYBODY'S BARN IS, IS SCATTERED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND IF YOU GOT SOMETHING, SOMETHING BROKE AND YOU HAD TO, YOU NEED IT YESTERDAY AND, AND, UH, IT IS A, A RELATIVELY SIMPLE FIX WITHOUT A YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T NEED, IF YOU HAD A CENTRAL BARN THAT YOU HAD TO TOW IT 20 MILES TO OR HAUL IT 20 MILES TO, AND THEN WAIT A WEEK OR 10 DAYS TO GET IT FIXED BEFORE YOU GET BACK, THAT JUST WON'T WORK. 
          WELL, MAYBE THEY COULD COME TO YOUR FACILITY, BUT IT WASN'T MEANT FOR, UH, ROUTINE STUFF. 
          IT WAS MEANT FOR MAYBE MORE  REPAIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO INFORMATION, UM, GREAT APPRECIATION FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, THE WORK THEY'VE PUT INTO IT. 
          UH, AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF MY TWENTIES FOR BEING HERE TODAY TO, TO REPRESENT. 
          WELL, WE, WE, UH, WE WERE ALL PROUD TO SERVE ON, ON THE COMMITTEE AND, UH, CONSIDER IT, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT MISSION. 
          AND, UH, WE LEARNED A LOT AND WE LEARNED THAT WE ARE STILL VERY PROUD OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND PROUD OF WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND ALL, ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, AND WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THE VERY BEST FACILITIES THEY CAN HAVE. 
          JIM, BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN, UH, NEXT STEPS, UH, YOU MIGHT HELP ME A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM TWO OR THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS THAT ARE HERE TODAY THAT HAVE KIND OF KEPT UP WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING THE NEXT STEP. 
          IN YOUR OPINION, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME IN YOUR PROFESSION, WOULD BE TO PERHAPS HAVE PEOPLE COME AND GIVE US A PROPOSAL ON WHAT THEY COULD, UH, HELP US WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. 
          UH, THAT PEOPLE WOULD REALLY UNDERSTAND THE VOTING PUBLIC. 
          SHOULD WE GO FORWARD WITH A BOND ELECTION, UH, WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, AT LEAST HAVE AN IDEA OF A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST WHAT'S ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER, RIGHT? UH, WE, WE, AS WE DISCUSSED AMONGST OURSELVES, WE'RE NOT QUALIFIED TO TELL YOU GO BUILD A, A, UH, 25,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, UH, AND HAVE, UH, ALL OF THIS IN IT AND HAVE IT OUT THERE AND DO THIS. 
          WE JUST SEE, WE IDENTIFIED WHAT THE NEEDS AND THEN THE EXPERTS, UH, THE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS CAN DO FEASIBILITY STUDIES, UH, TOUR, UH, MAYBE NOT TO DEGREE WE DID, BUT, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO ALL FACILITIES. 
          LOOK, LOOK AT WHAT YOUR OVERALL GOALS ARE AND THEN DETERMINE FOR YOU, UH, THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE TO, IF YOU DECIDE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY WHERE IT OUGHT TO BE, HOW BIG IT OUGHT TO BE, AND WHAT IT COULD COST. 
          AND THEY, UH, ROUTINELY, UH, GET, THEY'LL CALL SOME OF THEIR FAVORITE CONTRACTORS AND GET SOME PRICING INFORMATION, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, UH, IN-HOUSE, I ALWAYS PREFER FOR THEM TO ASK THE CONTRACTOR AND CONFIRM THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE LAST JAIL OR OR COURTHOUSE BUILDING THAT SHE BILL AND HOW MUCH DID IT COST PER SQUARE FOOT AND DID IT INCLUDE THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS? AND, AND YOU COULD WITH THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY, UH, FROM, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL, UH, GO, UH, DETERMINE HOW MUCH MONEY THAT, HOW, WHAT THE FUNDS OUGHT TO BE TO MAKE BY THIS AND THAT AND THIS HAPPENED, AND PUT THAT ALL MAYBE IN SOME SORT, THE BIG PACKAGE WITH SOME CONFIDENCE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE ION'S GONNA WORK OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          LET'S GIVE A BUNCH OF APPLAUSE AGAIN, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WORK. 
          UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS TO, UH, HEAR OUR OUTSIDE AUDITOR, AND I BELIEVE HE'S HERE. 
          UH, AND AS WE ALL GET FIRED UP FOR AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK WHILE EVERYBODY WALK AROUND, WE RESUME MEETING. 
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NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE THE, UH, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERING THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE, UH, FUNDING YEAR 2011, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THE, ALL WE'RE DOING IS JUST ACCEPTING. 
          PARDON? NO, WE DIDN'T. 
          WELL, IT SAYS ACCEPT, SO I, YEAH, I THINK WE, THAT WE ACCEPT THE REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A MOTION ACCEPT. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          NEXT ITEM OPPOSED BOTH. 
          NEXT HALF WOULD BE THE, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING. 
          MINUTE. 
          I, I GOT MY THANK YOU, UH, TO CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE, UH, FUNDING YEAR OF 2011, 2012 AUDITOR REPORT FROM THE OUTSIDE AUDITOR AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE WITH US TODAY. 
          JOHN MANNING, UH, WHO I SHOULD POINT OUT IS NO RELATION TO ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS. 
          I LOOKED INTO IT AND WE'RE NOT AS FAR BACK AS I CAN SEE. 
          WE'RE NOT, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT, MY DAD'S NAME IS JOHN, MY BROTHER'S NAME IS JOHN, SO WE MAY HAVE A CONFLICT. 
          ANYWAY, THANK YOU JOHN FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, WE LOOK AS EXCITED. 
          WE APPRECIATE WELL THANK Y'ALL FOR LETTING US BE HERE. 
          AND THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS JUDGE WOOD AND I WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD WAY TO, A GOOD TIME TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA. 
          WE HAD MENTIONED THAT Y'ALL WERE GONNA HAVE THIS SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE OF THE FACILITIES MEETING AND YOU THOUGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRY TO TALK ABOUT THIS NOW WHILE EVERYTHING IS FRESH IN PEOPLE'S MIND. 
          THE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE A, A FINDING ON IN HERE IS CAPITAL ASSETS. 
          AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE A 100% COMPLETE DOCUMENT AS OF TODAY. 
          THE NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT Y'ALL KNOW THAT, THAT THE COUNTY HAS IS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT INFORMATION PUT INTO THE NEW SOFTWARE WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THESE PROBLEMS WITH CAPITAL ASSETS IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BEFORE WE, THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR THAT WE'VE DONE THE AUDITED BOTH YEARS THAT WE'VE DONE THE AUDIT CAPITAL ASSETS HAS BEEN AN AREA WHERE THERE IT NEEDS TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND IN LOOKING AT THE SOFTWARE CAPABILITY THAT THE NEW CAPITAL ASSETS ARE BEING PUT INTO, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE ISSUES WITH CAPITAL ASSETS WILL BE ALLEVIATED AND HOPEFULLY THIS EXTRA COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WE NEED TO GET THE REST OF THIS REPORT GET PUT TOGETHER, WILL GET THAT FINDING TAKEN OFF THE REPORT AND ULTIMATELY LEAD TO CAPITAL ASSETS BEING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE FORMALITY, MORE THAN ALWAYS A POINT OF CONTENTION. 
          SO THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO GO OVER TODAY, THE ASSETS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT ANYTHING THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TODAY AT ALL. 
          SO THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE INDEPENDENT OF THOSE AMOUNTS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE FIGURED IT WOULD BE OKAY TO GO AHEAD AND COME TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS PORTION BECAUSE THE PORTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THE SAME BASIS OF ACCOUNTING AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'LL USE, PULLING INTO BUDGETS AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO WE OF, UH, THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2012. 
          SO IF YOU'LL START WITH PAGE 12 IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, THIS IS A BALANCE SHEET, UH, UNDER GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS AND THREE FUNDS EACH MAJOR CRITERIA, OBVIOUSLY YOUR GENERAL FUND HAS TO BE SHOWN SEPARATELY. 
          YOUR GENERAL ROAD BRIDGE, WHICH IS YOUR GENERAL BRIDGE FUND PLUS THE FOURTH PRECINCT ROAD BRIDGES AND YOUR DEBT SERVICE FUND. 
          UM, ALL OF THOSE BALANCE SHEET ITEMS, UM, ARE, ARE IN VERY GOOD WORKING ORDER. 
          WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LOOKS OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR CASH POSITION IS HIGHER THAN IT'S BEEN, UM, IN A WHILE. 
          AND, UH, EVERYTHING ON HERE THAT WE SEE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO WARN THE COUNTY ABOUT TO DISCLOSE THAT NORMALLY STRANGE OR THAT, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS FINDINGS AND ISSUES THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THE BALANCE SHEET. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE PRETTY SAFE AS FAR AS, UH, THE CONTROLS OVER THESE NUMBERS AND, AND THE WAY THESE NUMBERS ARE BEING REPORTED. 
          LOOK, LOOK GOOD. 
          IF YOU'LL GO OVER TO PAGE 15, THIS IS WHERE WE START THE, UH, INCOME STATEMENT OR YOUR STATEMENT OF REVENUE EXPENDITURES AND CHANGES TO FUND BALANCE AT THE 12 MONTH SUMMARY OF YOUR REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES FOR THE YEAR. 
          AND I KNOW THAT ONE THING THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN REALLY TRYING TO CORRECT AND ARE DILIGENT ABOUT IS, IS TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE. 
          AND AGAIN, IT WENT UP THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE TOOK OVER THIS JOB, IT WAS IN A NEGATIVE POSITION. 
          AND SO Y'ALL HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS TO GET THAT TO A POSITIVE POSITION. 
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UM, GFOA RECOMMENDS ANYWHERE FROM A MONTH AND A HALF TO THREE MONTHS OF RESERVE, YOU'RE NOT QUITE THERE, BUT YOU'RE A LOT CLOSER THAN YOU WERE BEFORE. 
          SO OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND IS, IS THINGS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON AS FAR AS FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IS TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE UP TO WHERE YOU HAVE AN ADEQUATE RESERVE. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO HAVE A YEAR'S WORTH OF EXPENDITURES OR HAVE A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THERE, BUT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS A LOT OF THE BULK OF THE COUNTY'S MONEY COMES IN AND, AND ESSENTIALLY DRIES UP AFTER JANUARY 31ST WITH PROPERTY TAXES. 
          AND SO HAVING THAT PRESERVED IS A ONE WAY TO KEEP MAKING PAYROLL TO KEEP PAYING BILLS IN LIGHT OF NOT A LOT OF REVENUE COMING IN. 
          JOHN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION IN, IN THAT REGARD I'VE BEEN MEANING TO ASK AT IN ON OCTOBER 1ST IS GENERALLY THAT'S WHEN WE ARE, THAT'S WHEN OUR BANK BALANCES ARE AT THE VERY LEAST LOW BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE TAXES THAT STARTED COMING IN. 
          BUT WE HAVE PAYROLL AND ONGOING EXPENSES THAT GO ON YEAR BEFORE LAST WE ACTUALLY HAD TO GO TO THE BANK AND BORROW AT $1.4 MILLION SHORT TERM. 
          SHORT TERM JUST SO WE CAN MAKE PAY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT ALL THAT UNUSUAL FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO DO. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT COUNTIES, UH, AND I, NOT THAT WE WANT TO DO THAT, BUT UH, MY QUESTION IS, AND YOU WON'T RESPOND, BUT LET ME ASK YOU WHAT THE QUESTION IS. 
          IS IT LEGAL? WE HAVE, UH, FUND BALANCES IN SOME OF THE OTHER SPECIAL CATEGORY FUNDS. 
          IS IT LEGAL FOR US TO BORROW THOSE FUNDS TO HELP MEET OUR PAYROLL FOR THOSE FIRST MONTH OR TWO? WE MAY HAVE, LIKE THERE'S ONE FUND WE HAVE LIKE, UH, $400,000 IN IT OR CLOSE TO THAT, UH, RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND. 
          BUT COMMISSIONER, IS THAT LEGAL OR IS IT NOT LEGAL? I, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY FIRST OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT SECOND OF ALL, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS SAYING NO. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THOSE FUNDS CAN ONLY BE SPENT THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ON THE ITEMS THAT THEY ARE COLLECTED FOR LIKE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, THAT IS A FEE CHARGED BY THE COURTS THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE HELD, RETAINED AND SPENT ON RECORDS, PRESERVATIONS, SECURITY, WHATEVER EACH ONE OF THOSE FUNDS ARE. 
          SO TO BE ABLE TO JUST BORROW AGAINST THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND OF COURSE IT WOULD BE A SHORT TERM RIGHT. 
          AND YOU WOULDN'T ULTIMATELY PAY IT BACK FROM THERE. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD LET YOU DO THAT AND CALL THAT VALID COLLATERAL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MY ONLY REASON FOR ASKING THAT IS THOSE FUNDS ARE GOING JUST A MINUSCULE BIT OF INTEREST AND IF WE GO TO THE BANK OR SOME OTHER INSTITUTION OR THE FUNDS AND I'M HOPING WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT IF WE DID HAVE TO DO THAT, UH, WE'LL WIND UP HAVING ONE OR 2% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'LL WIND UP PAYING INTEREST OR INTEREST IN WHAT WE WOULD LOSE ON THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY HESITATE IS ULTIMATELY, LET'S JUST SAY YOU HAD ANOTHER EMERGENCY AND YOU, YOU DID HAVE TO GO AGAINST THOSE FUNDS TO PAY THAT SHORT TERM LOAN BACK. 
          RIGHT. 
          LEGALLY YOU COULDN'T TAKE ROAD, I MEAN, UH, RECORDS MANAGEMENT MONEY TAKE IT OUT OF THAT FUND AND PAY IT TO A BANK TO OVERPAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IS ULTIMATELY WHY I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD DO THAT. 
          AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY STRESS HAVING AN ADEQUATE LEVEL OF FUND BALANCE. 
          AND, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T DEAL WITH, WITH PAYROLL AND HOW COUNTIES WORK WILL LOOK AND GO, WELL WE'VE GOT WAY TOO MUCH MONEY SITTING IN FUND BALANCE, BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, YOU'RE RIGHT ON OCTOBER 15TH, YOU DON'T HAVE, THE CASH LEVELS HAVE BEEN DEPLETED. 
          'CAUSE YOU COLLECT FROM OCTOBER ONE THROUGH JANUARY 31ST, YOU COLLECT A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE USED TO COVER EXPENDITURES FOR AN ENTIRE 12 MONTH PERIOD, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'S VERY CYCLICAL AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT ADEQUATE FUND BALANCE. 
          SO WHEN THAT PROPERTY TAX MONEY IS DONE COMING IN, THERE ARE RESERVES THERE, YOU'VE GOT OTHER FUNDS SITTING THERE THAT YOU CAN KEEP MAKING PAYROLL AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, KEEP MAKING YOUR OBLIGATIONS TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL WITHOUT HAVING TO GO, GO DO SHORT TERM BORROW. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I DIDN'T NO, YOU DIDN'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION A QUESTION ALONG THAT LINE, BECAUSE I NEVER EXACTLY UNDERSTOOD HOW IT WORKED. 
          BUT ALL THIS MONEY IS STILL JUST IN ONE ACCOUNT. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST ACCOUNTED FOR AS A SEPARATE FUND. 
          IS IT NOT? WE HAVE SOME, A NUMBER OF FUNDS THAT'S IN THE GENERAL OPERATING, BUT LIKE THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, LIKE HE WAS QUESTIONING THE, SOME OF THOSE SEPARATE BANK ACCOUNTS. 
          ROAD BRIDGE FUNDS ARE NOT IN A SEPARATE BANK ACCOUNT, ARE THEY? I THINK THOSE MOST OF THAT POOL. 
          YEAH. 
          POOL CASH. 
          THEY'RE ONE BIG ACCOUNT WITH EACH ONE GETTING, YOU KNOW, KEEPING UP WITH, WITH WHERE THAT MONEY IS, MR. ACCOUNT WISE. 
          YES. 
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SO IN REGARD TO YOU, IF YOU GOT OUR, OUR ACCOUNT, THE BACKEND WOULD SHOW A SURPLUS IN THERE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THESE EXTRA MONIES IN THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THAT HAS BEEN SPENT? DOES THAT THINK KEEPS WHAT? WHEN IT COMES BACK AROUND, JUDGE, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN THAT, EACH PIECE OF THAT BIG ACCOUNT IS KEPT FORWARD INDIVIDUALLY. 
          SO WHEN A RECORDS MANAGEMENT REVENUE COMES IN, IT'S THAT REVENUE'S POSTED THERE AND THEN THAT FUND GETS THE MONEY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF YOU WERE TO GO IN AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE SHORT, LET'S TAKE MONEY OUT OF THERE, KAREN WOULD KNOW INSTANTLY BECAUSE IT WOULD SHOW. 
          HAS THAT BEEN, HAS THAT BEEN DONE IN THE PAST? WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, THE FUNDS THAT THE MONEY HAS BEEN CO-MINGLED MORE OR LESS AND THEN PAID BACK WHEN OTHER MONEY COMES IN THERE? UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          NO SIR. 
          'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE WAY. 
          ACCOUNT FOR IT. 
          BUT YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO ALSO REMEMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER WE SPENT 600 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND FOR 14 VEHICLES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS, AND THEN WE BOUGHT 77, 70 $8,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE TOWERS AND REGULAR CARS AND STUFF. 
          AND ANOTHER 45, 55 FOR, UM, UM, A NEW, UH, DISHWASHER AT THE JAIL. 
          SO WHEN THOSE THINGS STARTED HITTING THAT DEPLETED, THE MONEY THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY HAD TO OUR FUND BALANCE, BECAUSE WE HAD MONEY LEFT OVER THAT WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO SPEND, BUT IT GOT SPENT OKAY. 
          TO BUY THOSE VEHICLES AND THOSE PIECES, HEAVY PIECES, PURCHASES. 
          AND WE TALKED THIS YEAR TO TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ASK THEM, DON'T MAKE ANY CAPITAL OUTLET EXPENDITURES UNTIL JANUARY WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE OUR MONEY AND WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA APPROVE UNTIL THAT TIME AND THOSE NEXT BUDGET. 
          THOSE ARE THE HARDEST ONES TO DO, OBVIOUSLY THE CAPITAL BECAUSE THEY'RE ONE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          BIG EXPENDITURES, BIG TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, BIG ONES THAT DON'T, YOU KNOW, PAYROLL, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WHAT YOUR TOTAL PAYROLL'S GONNA BE AND YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH COMES OUT EVERY MONTH. 
          BUT THINGS LIKE YOU SAID, NEEDING SEVEN OR EIGHT LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, THAT'S ABOUT 14. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT THEN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT BRINGS US ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          DO WE NEED TO WORK OUR BUDGET? I, I'M WORKING MY BUDGET SO THAT I AT LEAST RUN OVER WITH PLENTY MONEY TO TAKE US FROM OCTOBER TO JANUARY THE FIRST, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSION. 
          YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND R AND BRIDGE CARRIES OVER WHAT THEY DIDN'T SPEND. 
          SO YOU HAVE SOME MONEY TO OPERATE ON. 
          IT'S THE GENERAL FUNDS THAT SUFFERS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S BIGGEST PAYROLLS ARE, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST EXPENDITURES ARE. 
          AND BACK ON A NOTE ON THE CAPITAL ASSETS. 
          JOHN DIDN'T, DIDN'T GET TO PUT IN, WE CAME FROM AN OLD DILAPIDATED SYSTEM. 
          THE PERSON THAT WAS DOING THE FIXED ASSETS SLASH INVENTORY Y'ALL HAD IN 2006, 2007 APPROVED. 
          WHAT SHOULD BE CAPITALIZED AND WHAT SHOULDN'T. 
          AND THE PERSON THAT WAS DOING THAT DEPRECIATED EVERYTHING. 
          IF IT WAS $150 DESK FAN, WHATEVER. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HAVING THE ISSUE. 
          AND STW HAS BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD WORKING. 
          THEY, THEY'RE CON THEY'RE CONVERSING WITH OUR AUDITORS AND NOT JUST ME. 
          I HAVE IT ALL OPEN AND TRANSPARENT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I WANT IT, THAT THEY'RE FIXING THAT FOREST. 
          SO WHEN WE GET THE GOOD FIGURES FOR 2012 AND MOVE FORWARD, THEN UH, NIKKI AND JACK'S OFFICE KNOWS WHAT TO CAPITALIZE AND WHAT NOT TO CAPITALIZE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE CORRECTIONS ARE BEING MADE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG BECAUSE STW WANTS IT PERFECT FOR US TO START OFF WITH A GOOD YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE KEEP HAVING TO DO. 
          WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE, WE HAD AN EXCEL SYSTEM THAT HAD, AS KAREN MENTIONED, CHAIRS, DESKS. 
          YOUR POLICY IS 5,000, 5,000. 
          IT, IT'S ADOPTED. 
          AND THAT'S COMMON BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THAT THING BEING OVERRUN WITH DESKS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU WANT TO KEEP THE BIG TICKET ITEMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE THERE AND THAT THEY'RE BEING DEPRECIATED PROPERLY. 
          SO THAT WAS THE FIRST BATTLE WAS TAKING IN OLD OUTDATED EXCEL AND THEN US AS AUDITORS HAVING TO GO THROUGH THERE AND, AND TRY TO IDENTIFY AS MANY THINGS THAT WE COULD AND TAKE THOSE OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEPRECIATION FROM THE YEAR BEFORE WAS. 
          SO THAT WAS TAKING A LOT OF TIME. 
          SO I THINK BY TAKING THIS EXTRA TIME 
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WITH THE SPW SOFTWARE, THAT NEXT YEAR WHEN WE COME OUT, WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING WITH NUMBERS THAT ARE GOOD OR WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH AGAIN. 
          SAY, OKAY, NOW WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR THAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS HAD PRIOR ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON IT. 
          PEOPLE DO KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE. 
          IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF LIKE FUND BALANCE. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE FACILITIES TRYING TO FIX CAPITAL ASSETS IN ONE ONE WEEK PERIOD IS IMPOSSIBLE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WORKING WITH IT. 
          DIFFERENT PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO IT. 
          SOME PEOPLE COMING IN AND REALLY TRYING TO DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO TO TO WORK THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND GET THAT NUMBER BECAUSE IT IS, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE, UH, 34 FROM LAST YEAR, I MEAN, IF YOU TAKE LAND CAPITAL ASSETS TO DEPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING REALLY CLOSE TO $60 MILLION OF, OF ASSETS AS OF LAST YEAR, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 10, $20,000. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIG NUMBERS. 
          AND ANOTHER THING THAT IMPACTS THAT IS WHEN WE PUT THOSE CAPITAL ASSET NUMBERS IN, THOSE ARE ALSO DEPRECIATED LIKE WE DO AT A REGULAR BUSINESS. 
          THAT EXPENSE IS, YOU KNOW, $1 MILLION A YEAR IF IT GOES IN THERE. 
          SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE . 
          SO, SO JUST HAVING A LIST OF CAPITAL ASSETS IS IMPORTANT, BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET CORRECTED ARE ALSO IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE ACCURATELY PORTRAYED. 
          SO BACK TO PAGE 15 AND 16, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOUR FUND BALANCE IS COMING UP. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CAPITAL ASSET PURCHASES THAT WERE TRYING TO BE DELAYED UNTIL 13. 
          IT COULDN'T BE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT DIDN'T GO UP MORE HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR. 
          'CAUSE THOSE WERE BOUGHT THIS YEAR. 
          THAT WILL ADD THE NEXT YEAR'S FUND BALANCE, HOPEFULLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE, I SHOULD POINT, KAREN AND I HAVE TALKED ALREADY A COUPLE TIMES IN THE LAST FEW, WE'RE WATCHING OUR REVENUE AND EXPENSES THIS YEAR VERY CAREFULLY. 
          AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REVENUE ASPECT OF IT, UH, PARTICULARLY IN FINES AND FEES BEING SHORT OF WHAT YOU INJECTED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE MONITORING THAT PRETTY CAREFULLY. 
          THAT'S WHAT GOT US IN THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD. 
          AGAIN, WE WERE CONTROLLING EXPENSES THAT WE HAD CONTINUED TO OVERESTIMATE REVENUE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE MONITORING THAT PRETTY CAREFULLY. 
          AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GETTING INTO A PROBLEM, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL ADJUST IT. 
          WE'LL, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT. 
          YOU THINK JUDGE BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER COUNTY THAT'S ACTUALLY IN A NEGATIVE NET ASSET POSITION IN FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING. 
          THEY REALLY WATCHED EXPENDITURES AND BUILT A REVENUE BUDGET TO COVER THOSE. 
          YES. 
          BUT THEN THE REVENUES WEREN'T COMING IN AND THEY WEREN'T JUST RIGOROUSLY SPENDING MONEY AND THEY WERE NECESSARY THINGS. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, JUST 'CAUSE YOU SAY A MILLION DOLLARS OF FINES ARE GONNA COME IN DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY ARE. 
          AND I, AND I APPLAUD AND I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE REASON WHY THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST LET'S DO A BUDGET AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT A YEAR AND A HALF LATER WHEN THE AUDIT COMES OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK AS LONG AS YOU STAY ON TOP OF THAT, IF THE FINES DON'T COME IN, LOOK FOR THE EXPENDITURES NOT TO SPEND AND YOU SHOULDN'T MAKE IT GO DOWN AGAIN. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. 
          AND AS BEING THE CHIEF BUDGET OFFICER AND WORKING WITH THE OFFICER, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          SO, AND ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THIS PAGE 15 IS IF YOU LOOK IN THAT THIRD COLUMN, YOUR DEBT SERVICE FUND, IF YOU WERE A MEMBER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO GET DONE LAST YEAR WAS GET THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS DONE AND OUT BECAUSE Y'ALL WERE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE REFUNDING AND THAT'S BEEN REFLECTED HERE. 
          YOU WERE ABLE TO PAY OFF A LOT OF OLD DEBT AND ISSUE SOME NEW DEBT. 
          AND I THINK THE, UM, ROUGH ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH THAT ENDED UP SAVING IN LONG TERM INTEREST WAS OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT JUDGE WOOD MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THE RANKS ARE AS WELL AS THEY'RE EVER GOING TO BE. 
          AND I THINK THAT Y'ALL TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS, IS REALLY SAVED THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL MAY BE LOOKING AT DOING SOME ADDITIONAL DEBT IN THE FUTURE, PROBABLY ABOUT AS GOOD AS TIME AS THEY NEED TO TRY AND GET THAT DONE. 
          SO, UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, SPEAKING OF UH, WHAT JUDGE MENTIONED, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT PAGE 46, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT HE WAS MENTIONING HERE. 
          IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT GENERAL FUND, THIS IS A BUDGET TO ACTUAL STATEMENT FOR SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2012. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A VERY GOOD JOB DONE THERE WITH, UH, CONTROLLING EXPENDITURES. 
          YOU ACTUALLY SPENT LESS THAN WHAT YOU BUDGETED. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TOTAL REVENUES, THEY WERE UNDER A LITTLE BIT, UM, ABOUT 400,000, WHICH ISN'T, WHICH IS A LOT, BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT ON $33 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE. 
          IT'S A HARD NUMBER TO TRY TO GET. 
          EXACTLY ALL. 
          SO ONE 
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OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, JUDGE WOOD BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT Y'ALL MONITOR THAT AND TRY TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA STAY UNDER, LET'S JUST KEEP WATCHING THOSE EXPENDITURES. 
          SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA HAR ON ON THAT ANYMORE. 
          UM, BUT REALLY IF YOU LOOK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DIFFERENT THIS YEAR IS IF YOU'LL LOOK BACK ON PAGE 49, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO SHOW ALL OF THESE OTHER FUNDS SEPARATELY. 
          AND THE PREVIOUS AUDITORS DID NOT SHOW THEM SEPARATELY. 
          THEY JUST SHOWED 'EM AS A BIG COLUMN UP IN THE FRONT AND LAST YEAR TRYING TO SAVE TIMES. 
          WE DIDN'T BREAK THOSE OUT EITHER, BUT ONE OF OUR GOALS WAS IS TO START TRYING TO BREAK THOSE OUT BECAUSE TRYING TO SEE WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT FUNDS ARE FOR IS VERY HARD, BUT IT'S JUST ALL STUCK INTO ONE BIG COLUMN. 
          SO STARTING ON PAGE 49 AND JUDGE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING. 
          YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDS BACK HERE THAT, THAT HOLD MONEY AND WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE FOR A BULK OF THESE ARE GRANTS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE ALSO FOR DIFFERENT FINES AND FEES OR THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED THAT CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON CERTAIN THINGS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL STUFF BACK HERE AS SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS. 
          SO YOU CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THERE AND SEE, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          LOOK AT ON PAGE 50 ON THE FIRST ONE THERE, UH, THE LAW LIBRARY HAVE FRONT BALANCE TWO 86,000 LOTS OF MONEY. 
          I KNOW FOR A, A LIBRARY THAT'S MAYBE HALF THE SIZE OF THIS ONE EVERY I GO ON TO WEBSITES AND PULL UP COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE. 
          NOT UNUSUAL. 
          NO, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN YOU COLLECT THOSE FEES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THE FEES AREN'T STRUCTURED TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW MUCH THOSE WALL LIBRARIES REALLY NEED TO KEEP CURRENT AND KEEP UP TO DATE. 
          THERE'S MORE BEING COLLECTED THAN WHAT IS NECESSARY TO SPEND. 
          AND THAT'S NOT THE COUNTY'S FAULT. 
          THOSE ARE SET BY OUTSIDE PEOPLE. 
          SO THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THE COUNTY'S DOING WRONG. 
          IT'S JUST THAT BY STATUTE YOU CAN'T TAKE LAW LIBRARY MONEY AND GO BUY A POLICE CAR WITH IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT IS FRUSTRATING TO SIT HERE AND SAY YOU NEED TO BUILD YOUR FUND BALANCE UP. 
          YOU LOOK BACK HERE AND THERE'S LOTS OF MONEY SITTING BACK HERE FOR THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY USE IT FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY PAGE 51, THE NEXT ONE, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT PRESERVATION FEE, UH, THAT CONTINUES. 
          I MEAN, WE GOT THREE $50,000. 
          I I'VE GOT COUNTIES SMALLER THAN THIS THAT HAVE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THERE. 
          JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY KEEP THE LIBRARY UP AND IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT NO ONE COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. 
          BUT THEY CAN'T, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU CAN TAKE THE MONEY AND GO BUILD A NEW MY QUESTION, COULD YOU BUILD A NEW STORAGE FACILITY FOR RECORDS WITH THAT? IF IT MET, IF IT MET WHAT THE STATUTE INTENDED FOR THOSE THINGS TO BE. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'M NOT SAYING IS JOHN, DID YOU LOOK INTO THAT FOR US AT ONE TIME? OR DO YOU REMEMBER? UH, I DON'T THINK I LOOKED INTO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT, UH, THE COMMISSIONER JUST ASKED OF, COULD YOU BUILD A FACILITY? BUT WE, AT DIFFERENT TIMES WE'VE LOOKED AT INAPPROPRIATE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UH, BUT NO, I HAVEN'T LOOKED THAT QUESTION. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE USED ANY PART OF THAT FUND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          I THINK IT CONTINUES TO GROW. 
          AND THAT'S, AGAIN, JUDGE, THAT'S A MULTI-COUNTY ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT MEANT TO LIKE, TAKE PAPER AND MICROFIT AND, AND MAKE A DIGITAL STORAGE OR, UH, DIGITIZED ALL ALREADY SOME OF IT. 
          IS THAT WHAT THEY INTENDED? IMAGING? UM, YEAH, AUTOMATION OF, OF THINGS. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, I WOULD REFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO STUDY THAT AND LOOK AT THE LAW AND SEE WHICH I COULD ACTUALLY SPEND THAT ON. 
          BECAUSE IT DOESN'T JUST SAY BUY NEW LAW BOOKS. 
          IT'S THE WAY THEY WORD IT KIND OF LEAVES IT OPEN TO SOME INTERPRETATION. 
          AND, AND I WOULD, LIKE KAREN MENTIONED, I WOULD PREFER SOMEBODY THAT BEATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT ON PAGE 51. 
          SAME THING. 
          TWO FUNDS OF RECORDS MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL AND THEN THE DISTRICT CLERK RECORDS MANAGEMENT. 
          THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT FEES SET ASIDE FOR TWO DIFFERENT, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY REALLY THREE ONE'S. 
          THE COUNTY CLERK, ONCE THE DISTRICT CLERK, AND ONCE THE COUNTIES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO KEEP 'EM SEPARATE. 
          WE HAVE THE RECORDS IN THE SAME BUILDING, UH, WHAT THE DISTRICT CLERK AND UH, THE COUNTY CLERK, IT ONLY HAVE THOSE STORED IN THE SAME OLD LIBRARY OVER THERE. 
          THEY'RE IN THE SAME BUILDING. 
          SOME OF 'EM ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE. 
          SO ACROSS THE STREET. 
          YES. 
          SO COULD YOU COMBINE THOSE TWO FUNDS TO NO, 
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YOU CAN'T COMBINE THE FUNDS. 
          WELL NOT COMBINE THE FUNDS. 
          THE SAME PROJECT. 
          IF WE DECIDED TO BUILD A NEW THAT'S POSSIBLE NEW STORAGE FACILITY AND CONCEIVABLY IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE IS, IS A FEE THAT'S CHARGED TO THE LITIGANTS. 
          AND SO THE, THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE COUNTY IS THAT THIS IS MONEY THAT CAME IN, NOT TAXPAYER FROM PEOPLE FILING LAWSUITS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A FUNCTION OF THE NOW, BUT THE REASON THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY IS BECAUSE THERE'S X NUMBER OF LAWSUITS AND YOU CHARGE IT WITH EVERY LOAN. 
          AND, UH, BUT, BUT IF I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER, AND, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE, SOMEONE'S ASKED A QUESTION THAT WAY. 
          IS THAT USED FOR BROADER JUST SIMPLY ACQUIRING MORE COMPUTERS OR SOFTWARE? RIGHT. 
          WHICH I THINK HAVE BEEN THE FOCUS IN THINGS PAST AND COULD BE USED FOR GENERAL STORAGE. 
          THERE'S FOUR PHYSICAL SPACE, FOUR 51,000 TOTAL THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY RENT RECORD. 
          YOU HAVE ANOTHER 341,000 ON PAGE 50 ON MANAGEMENT. 
          ALSO. 
          THIS IS BETTER OFF EVERYTHING BUILT. 
          THEY CAN LITTLE MORE PROBABLY, WE PROBABLY AN EXPERT ON WHAT SHE COULD SPEND HER MONEY ON. 
          AND THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY CLERK RECORD PRESERVATION FEE. 
          I THINK THE, THE ONE THAT'S GOT THREE 50, THAT'S UNDER THE COMMISSIONER COURT CONTROL. 
          THE SHORT VERSION OF THAT IS IT'S TO BE USED FOR ANY RECORD STORAGE OF THE COUNTY. 
          NOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY, JOHN, COULD, COULD WE USE OUR MONEY THREE $50,000? COULD THAT BE USED TO BUILD A FACILITY TO STORE HER RECORDS AND OUR RECORDS AND THE DISTRICT CLERK REPRESENT, I THINK SHE'S LIMITED ON WHAT SHE CAN SPEND HERS ON. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, LAURA? THE, THERE IS DIFFERENT COUNTIES THAT HAVE USED THEIR RECORDS MANAGEMENT MONEY, ESPECIALLY THE LARGER ONES TO BUILD STATE OF THE ART FACILITIES. 
          THEY HAVE MORE THAN THREE 50,000 IN THERE. 
          BUT THERE ARE OTHER COUNTIES THAT USE THAT FUND. 
          46, WHICH IS THE COUNTY MONEY TO, TO BUILD A FACILITY STORAGE FOR MORE THAN JUST THE, THE COUNTY AND DISTRICT CLERK. 
          BECAUSE AT THE LIBRARY YOU ALSO HAVE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S PAPERWORK. 
          SO YOU CAN BUILD A GLOBAL FACILITY, I THINK USING THE COUNTY'S MONEY. 
          BUT IT'D HAVE TO BE DONE WITH THE BLESSINGS OF THE COUNTY CLERK AND DISTRICT CLERK TO USE, USE THAT RIGHT. 
          TO USE, TO USE OUR 42. 
          JOHN, DO YOU MIND MAYBE WHEN NO, NO CHECKING ANY NO, NO, NO. 
          I, I DON'T MIND THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, THE FOCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PAST ON, ON SOFTWARE OR EQUIPMENT. 
          BUT AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COMMISSIONER SOMETHING BROADER. 
          YEAH. 
          POSSIBLY WE USE PHYSICAL SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          POSSIBLY WE COULD USE THE THREE 50 AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT RESERVATION SO THAT THE COUNTY, UH, I THINK THE COMMISSIONER RIGHT. 
          POSSIBLY USE THE DISTRICT, UH, CLARKTON COUNTY CLERK. 
          UH, MAYBE TO TO FURNISH INSIDE DISTRICT. 
          WELL, I THINK SOFTWARE PROGRAMS TO YEAH. 
          FOR EACH ONE OF THEIR RECORDS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME, UH, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT DISTRICT DOING SOME, UH, MICRO FISHING OR WHATEVER IMAGING AND IMAGING IMAGING AND USING A LOT OF THIS THAT'S IN THERE, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF STORAGE THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          IT'S WHAT LONG TERM I THINK PEOPLE ARE SPENDING THAT MONEY ON IS TRYING TO GET, PUT THOSE DOCUMENTS IN A DIGITAL ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF TAKING THE MONEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUILDING ANOTHER FACILITY TO PUT ALL THE PAPER PHYSICAL, THE PHYSICAL RECORDS EXACTLY WHERE ALL THAT STUFF. 
          IT'S IN THE OLD LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET OVER THERE. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ? THAT'S ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT I'M BRING TO JACK ON FRIDAY IS, IS TRYING TO REDUCE SOME OF THE SPACE, THE STORAGE OVER THERE, BUT IT COULD JUST AS QUICKLY BE FILLED BACK UP WITH BOOKS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO CONSIDER IS WHAT THE STATE LIBRARY HAS, HAS DEEMED AS 1950 AND BACK IS PERMANENT. 
          SO THERE ARE RECORDS THAT YOU ARE JUST NOT GONNA GET RID OF. 
          NOW YOU WANNA INDEX THEM AND YOU WANT TO PRESERVE 'EM AND MAKE THEM ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          HOWEVER, YOU'RE NOT GOING GET RID OF THE PHYSICAL BOOKS. 
          SO THE TWO. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T KEEP IT FROM GETTING BIGGER. 
          YES, YES. 
          TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. 
          BUT YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE EVERY SHEET OF PAPER THAT, THAT'S TRUE. 
          AND, AND THE COUNTY HAS MADE GREAT STRIDE WHEN WE, WHEN WE GOT, I SEE THEY STARTED IMAGING OUR CASE FILES. 
          NOW YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO EACH INDIVIDUAL OFFICE HOLDER IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO USE THE STATE LAW THAT SAYS IF IT'S ELECTRONICALLY IMAGED AND YOU ARE POSITIVE THAT IT'S ALL THERE, YOU CAN DESTROY THE RECORD. 
          THAT'S STILL A REAL HARD THING FOR THE OFFICES TO DO. 
          SO TO CLARIFY THIS FOR ME, DOES YOUR FUND 
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PERMIT, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE WENT OVER AND TOURED, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE VIS COUNTY AND THEY HAD THAT REALLY, REALLY NICE, THE CLERK HAD A REALLY NICE, UH, RECORDS STORAGE FACILITY. 
          IF THE COMMISSIONERS COULD USE PART OF OUR FUND TO BUILD A FACILITY, COULD YOUR FUND, I MEAN THIS IS SAYING THAT, THAT YOU DON'T DEPLETE IT, UH, DOING ALL THE RIGHT MICRO FISHING AND ALL THAT, COULD YOUR FUND BE USED SPECIFICALLY TO YOURS AND DISTRICT OR CLERKS COMBINED BE USED TO, TO GET THOSE RECORD STORAGE FACILITIES? YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT THE HANDLE ON THEM WHERE YOU CAN CRANK ALL THAT STUFF TOGETHER AND YOU WIND UP STORING TWICE AS MUCH TWO SEMI-LOADS OF BOOKS AND ONE LITTLE, THE MOBILE SYSTEM WE HAVE DOWNSTAIRS, RIGHT? YES. 
          WE, WE'VE USED IT TO BUY THAT, THAT SHELVING AND STUFF. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF COUNTIES THAT HAVE USED THEIR, THEIR MONEY, COMBINE IT WITH THE COUNTY MONEY TO BUILD A VERY NICE FACILITY THAT MEETS STATE LIBRARY STANDARD. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME SOURCES THERE THAT Y'ALL, I MEAN YOU JUMP THROUGH SOME YEAH, WE'VE REALLY GOT THE FUNDING ON HAND THAT WE HAVE NEEDS THAT WE NEED TO USE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          BUT WE HAVE IMMEDIATE NEEDS NOW. 
          SO I GOT ONE QUESTION TAKE TO SAVE THIS KIND OF MONEY UP. 
          UH, THIS IS, IS THIS ONE YEAR, FIVE YEARS? NO, THIS IS PROBABLY, I THINK THE LAST TIME I WAS ABLE TO USE IT, I PURCHASED THE LAND RECORD SYSTEM AND ALL THE COMPUTERS FOR THE, FOR THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS UPSTAIRS. 
          SO THIS IS PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          A LITTLE. 
          AND YEAH, IF, IF IT'S NOT SPENT, IT JUST ROLLS OVER. 
          BUT AGAIN, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WHAT I'M PROPOSING AND TAKING TO JACK IS TO TAKE ALL THE VITAL RECORDS FROM SOVEREIGNTY TO, TO PRESENT AND IMAGE THEM INDEX AND PUT 'EM ON THE COMPUTER SO THAT THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE ON THE COMPUTERS. 
          THE BOOKS ARE PRESERVED, THE MICROFILM IS, YOU KNOW, IN A DISASTER RECOVERY PLACE AND THAT'S GONNA BE 260,000. 
          SO YOU DO IT ALL IN A BIG CHUNK WHERE YOU CAN PIECEMEAL IT, BUT PRESERVATION IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. 
          IT, IT'S FINAL AND YOU DO IT ONCE AND YOU DO IT RIGHT AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN. 
          BUT IT, IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. 
          CAN THAT CAN, THAT GOES ABOUT 30, 35,000 A YEAR. 
          CAN THAT DATA BE STORED CLOUD IN THE CLOUD? IT, WE HAVE IT. 
          UM, WELL RIGHT NOW, I MEAN WE HAVE IT GOING TO DENVER IN, IN OUR EAGLE TYLER AND THEN WE HAVE THE THOSE TO TENNESSEE OR KENTUCKY. 
          BUT YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT THEY USED TO GO OUT IT AS A DISASTER RECOVERY FOR THE, WE DON'T HAVE BUDGETARY THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW VERSUS AN AUDIT. 
          I BELIEVE THEY DID DOUBLE THE FEES THE LEGISLATURE DID AND I THINK THEY PASSED AS LONG AS THE GOVERNOR HASN'T SIGNED IT YET. 
          BUT THE 19TH, IF HE DOESN'T SIGN IT, IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE. 
          AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE BRING TO COURT ASKING, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN COUNTY DISTRICT CLERK, UM, DOUBLE THOSE FEES NOT HAS A SUNSET PROVISION AS, AS THE FIRST ONE DID. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THOUGH. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE I THINK THAT THE COUNTY DISTRICT CLERK HAD TO TALK THROUGH BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DOUBLE YOUR FEES, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THE ENTIRE FILING HERE OR YOU'RE JUST SAYING THIS PIECE, THE RECORDS. 
          OKAY. 
          JOHN, BEFORE WE PROCEED, THANK FOR PUTTING ALL THESE IN THE AUDIT. 
          THIS IS VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE. 
          WE SEE THEM BUDGET TIME, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL FOCUS SO MUCH ON THE GENERAL FUND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE BUDGET PROCESS IS AND THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. 
          BUT I AGREE SEEING THESE LIKE THIS, WHEN WE TRIED TO DO THE AUDIT THAT FIRST YEAR, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PIECES WERE, WHAT WAS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT MADE THE THING TAKE SO LONG. 
          RIGHT NOW CRYSTAL AND OUR PEOPLE TOOK ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH AND CODE ALL THOSE SO THEY JUST, NEXT YEAR THIS WON'T TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL TIME AND YOU'LL GET THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE EXTRA INFORMATION. 
          'CAUSE THIS ISN'T REQUIRED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S, IT, IT DOES INDIRECTLY 
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CAN AFFECT THE GENERAL FUND BY THINGS THAT WE MIGHT PAY OUT. 
          THE GENERAL FUND WE CAN PAY. 
          LEMME ASK YOU ANOTHER I KNOW NEED ON 52, WE'VE CALLED STAR PROGRAM FIVE SEVEN. 
          UH, WHAT ABOUT CLEANING UP SOME OF THOSE? I DUNNO WHAT THE STAR PROGRAM WAS. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO DRILL DOWN, HAD TO CREATE AN FOR THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY MADE A DONATION TO BUY. 
          UH, WE ALREADY CLOSED YES. 
          GLOVES OR VEST OR SOMETHING. 
          IT'S BEEN CLOSED. 
          NO, WE ALREADY CLOSED A LOT OF OTHER FUNDS THAT HAD SLOWED IT HERE AND THERE. 
          CRYSTAL AND I WORKED ON CLOSING THOSE. 
          BUT LIKE IF IT'S LIKE GRANT MONEY, LIKE THAT STORE PROGRAM AND DONATION, IT NEEDS TO BE COUNTED FOR SEPARATELY. 
          UH, THE LIBRARY HAD AN OLD GRANT THAT THEY HADN'T GOTTEN ANY MORE MONEY OUT, SO WE CLOSED IT AND MADE IT TO THE LIBRARY. 
          22. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THOSE THE KIND OF THINGS WE SHOULD YEAH. 
          AND, AND I I DIDN'T MENTION THAT, BUT YEAH, CRYSTAL AND KAREN CRYSTAL WAS OUR AUDIT SENIOR THAT WAS OUT HERE ON THE JOB. 
          SHE DID WORK WITH KAREN. 
          I I DO REMEMBER THEM TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GO DO IT BECAUSE AT COUNTIES THESE THINGS GET TO WHERE THEY'RE 10, 15 PAGES LONG. 
          JUST 'CAUSE EVERY TIME A NEW FEE COMES IN, YOU START ANOTHER FUND AND THE ONES THAT ARE OLD AND HAVE A NON-MATERIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE ARE ALL FOR CLEANING THOSE UP AND GETTING THOSE OFF THE BOOKS. 
          OKAY. 
          ON PAGE 52 ALSO WHERE IT SAYS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT END OF, UH, LAST YEAR WE HAD $9,000 THAT WAS THE RESULT OF A, UH, CO THAT THE COUNTY ISSUED IN 2006. 
          AND WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY SPENT THAT MONEY. 
          AND SO NOW WE HAVE AN ARBITRAGE ISSUE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO FACE WITH, UH, THE IRS AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE ON THAT. 
          HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT YET. 
          THEY ASKED FOR SOME D ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND I HAD TO WAIT UNTIL DIANE GOT BACK SO SHE COULD PULL IT FOR ME AND I SENT THAT TO HIM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THOSE FUNDS, THE COVENANT ON THOSE FUNDS THAT THE BONDS WERE GIVEN OR THE COS WERE GIVEN WAS IT HAD TO BE SPENT ON THE MAIN COURTHOUSE. 
          THIS ANNEX I THINK THE, UH, SOUTH CAMPUS AND THE OLD OLD JAIL I BELIEVE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE. 
          UH, BUT THERE WERE, THERE WERE ONLY FOUR OR FIVE FACILITIES THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR. 
          COULD THAT BE USED FOR RENOVATIONS? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT PART UPSTAIRS. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY WHAT THE, THE ARBITRAGE DEAL IS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT EARNING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE PAYING. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH AND HAVING TO LOOK AT AND SEE HOW MUCH, ALMOST DAILY, HOW MUCH MONEY THOSE FUNDS HAVE EARNED VERSUS HOW MUCH YOU'VE PAID. 
          AND THEN IF, IF YOU'VE EARNED MORE THAN WHAT YOU'VE PAID OUT, THE ONE THING IS ON THE LAST FEW YEARS YOU HAVEN'T BEEN REALLY EARNING ANYTHING, SO MAYBE IT WON'T BE TOO BAD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND USUALLY THEY'RE NOT. 
          I'VE ONLY HAD A COUPLE THAT HAVE EVER BEEN REALLY BIG AND THOSE ARE ON SOME, YOU KNOW, 50, $60 MILLION BOND ISSUES FOR WATER. 
          THINGS THAT TOOK SEVERAL YEARS TO GET DONE BACK WHEN RATES WERE SIX OR 7%. 
          AND WHERE DID THIS FUND COME FROM? THE 900,000 WHERE THAT CAME FROM? THE BOND LAST CO YEAH, IT WAS IN 2006. 
          IT WAS BEFORE WE WERE HERE. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT IS OLD BOND AND THAT'S AGAIN WHY THAT'S SEPARATE. 
          PUTTING ITS OWN FUND, CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT AS THE JUDGE MENTIONED, WHAT THE BOND DOCUMENT SAYS, IT CAN BE USED. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE MADE A COVENANT WHEN PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE BONDS THAT WE WOULD SPEND THEM ONLY ON SURFACE AND THEN ON ON ON PAGE 66, I'M GONNA GO OVER JUST, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THESE, BUT I DO NEED TO BRING THEM UP THERE. 
          THEY'RE THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAD. 
          BUT BEFORE I START GOING INTO THOSE, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COURT AND, AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT, UH, SEVERAL OF THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, YOUR INITIAL YEAR IN ENGAGEMENT IS WHERE YOU FIND A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE HAS BEEN DOING THEM FOR A LONG TIME AND FOUR OF THE ITEMS THAT WE FELT WERE VERY LARGE ISSUES HAVE BEEN CORRECT ITSELF BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN. 
          I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, THAT PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY ARE TRYING TO CORRECT THE THINGS THAT WE'VE NOTED. 
          IT'S JUST SOMETIMES THEY TAKE LONGER THAN ONE OPERATING CYCLE TO GET DONE. 
          SO BEFORE I GO OVER THESE, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN CORRECTED. 
          UM, SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. 
          IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 66, THE CREDIT 
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CARD POLICY, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE LOOKING INTO POSSIBLY GETTING SOME PROCUREMENT CARDS AND ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATING A NEED FOR, FOR, FOR INDIVIDUAL CREDIT CARDS THAT SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE. 
          THERE'S NOT REALLY A CREDIT CARD POLICY. 
          WE STILL SEE SOME INSTANCES OF WHERE THERE'S AN INVOICE WHERE SOME THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN PAID. 
          AND WE LOOKED AT THOSE IN DETAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T BEING SPENT ON ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN, IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SURE THEY GET PAID WHO'S IN CONTROL OF THEM, WHAT YOU WANT THAT POLICY FEE. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL NEED TO KIND OF GO DO AND, AND ADDRESS AND COME UP WITH AS A, AS A COUNTY AS A WHOLE. 
          UH, REPORTING OF GRANT TRANSACTIONS, THIS WAS REALLY THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE THAT WERE BEFORE HERE, BEFORE THE CURRENT COUNTY AUDITOR WERE TAKING GRANTS AND ESSENTIALLY RECORDING REVENUE AND EXPENSE ON THE SAME LINE ITEM. 
          AND THAT'S NOT REALLY THE WAY GAP SAID THAT YOU SHOULD DO IT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, CURRENT STATUS OF THAT, IT HAS BEEN, UM, IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN IT WAS. 
          WE STILL KNOW THAT A FEW INSTANCES OF THAT, HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY ELIMINATED  WITH THE AUDITOR WITH OUR, UH, AUDIT SENIOR, UH, COMPENSATED ADVOCACY AGAIN, HOPEFULLY WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE. 
          THIS IS GOING TO GET THAT INTO A EXTREMELY MORE COMPUTERIZED FORMAT. 
          IT IS IN EXCEL, BUT IT IS A FAIR TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THERE. 
          AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $1.4 MILLION OF COMPENSATED  THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR. 
          THAT'S A LARGE NUMBER. 
          AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT NUMBER'S RIGHT, THAT IT'S NOT EXCEEDING THE THRESHOLDS THAT ARE PRESCRIBED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND COMES UP AND JUST TAKES AN AMOUNT OF TIME TO GIVE. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S NOT A $10,000 NUMBER THAT WE CAN SAY. 
          IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. 
          IT'S NOT BIG. 
          IT'S SUCH A BIG NUMBER THAT WE NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MAKE SURE IT'S AS CORRECT AS AS THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO, AND THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          YES. 
          AND THEY DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MET WITH THEM ON WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT WE NEED TO TRY TO DO TO GET IT BETTER. 
          AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY SOME STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN TO, TO MAKE THAT BETTER FOR US. 
          UM, ALONG THE SAME LINE, DO WE NEED TO URGE, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS A LITTLE MORE STRONGLY TO, UH, COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOU RECOMMEND TO FORWARD TO DO? WE, WE, WE, WE'LL TAKE ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL CAN DO TO HELP. 
          I MEAN, IF Y'ALL BOUGHT A SOFTWARE PACKAGE WITH THE INTENT OF USING IT AND, AND PEOPLE AREN'T USING IT, THEN I THINK THAT A NUDGE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION PROBABLY WOULD HELP. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T, MOST PLACES THAT WE GO COME UP WITH THESE FINDINGS IN OVER A PERIOD OF TWO OR THREE YEARS, THEY EVENTUALLY ALL JUST GO AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND Y'ALL ARE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT I DON'T WANT TO KEEP HAVING PAYROLL IN HERE 3, 4, 5 YEARS IN A ROW. 
          'CAUSE THAT NUMBER IS SO BIG. 
          IT'S YOUR BIGGEST EXPENSE IN THE COUNTY BY FAR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT IT'S NOT HARD. 
          AND WE CAN DO A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S IN THIS REPORT IS CORRECT, BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER THING THAT SLOWS EVERYTHING DOWN. 
          AND IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATED PROCESS. 
          WE'VE GOT THE TOOLS TO DO IT. 
          NO DOUBT. 
          AND I THINK THAT PART TO ME IS THE PART THAT A NUDGE MIGHT HELP SAYING, HEY, WE, WE SPENT X AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER. 
          WE NEED TO USE THIS SYSTEM. 
          LET'S GO. 
          WELL, THE REASON, THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE IT SAYS HERE, THE BENEFITS DEPARTMENT 
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STATES THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE OVERRIDING THE SYSTEM BY ALLOWING EMPLOYEES TO CARRY MORE TIME THAT THAN ALLOW BY THE POLICY. 
          WELL, UH, WE WORKED REALLY HARD IN MY, IN MY WING OF IT DOWN THERE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND, UH, IF WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE, IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE YEAH. 
          I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO, IN OTHER WORDS, DURING THE BUDGET HEARINGS, DO WE NEED TO MENTION THIS TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS DEAL'S REALLY AFFECTING OUR OUTSIDE AUDIT. 
          YOU EITHER COME IN OR WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND ONE THING IS THAT I'D LIKE THE POINT YES. 
          I I 'CAUSE IT THIS, THIS, THAT ONE POINT, THAT 1.4 MILLION, THAT'S REALLY A STRONG FIGURE AND WELL THAT AFFECTS OUR BOTTOM LINE IS TO ABSOLUTELY, UH, EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY, I MEAN, JIMMY COME IN HERE AND HE HAD GUYS THAT STOOD AHEAD AUDACIOUS TIMES AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG OR DIFFERENT. 
          WE KNEW THEY WAS DOING THEIR OWN TIME CARDS. 
          YOU DON'T LET PEOPLE DO THEIR OWN TIME CARDS. 
          AND UH, THIS, THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE. 
          WE PAID SOME BILLS THAT WE SHOULD BE PAID. 
          AND, AND, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THIS REPORT AND, AND CALLING IT A FINDING AND NOT JUST SAYING, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          BUT REALLY WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, IS ULTIMATELY RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS EVERYBODY THAT'S OVER THAT AMOUNT ON THE SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO GO IN CHANGE THAT LIABILITY TO THE AMOUNT THAT'S PRESCRIBED BY POLICY. 
          SO IF YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE 40 HOURS AND ON THAT LIST THEY HAVE 60, WE HAVE TO GO IN AND TAKE THE 60 OUT, PUT IN THE 40 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE IN HERE IS RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOUR LIABILITY'S INCORRECT. 
          YOU'RE SHOWING WAY MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO PAY. 
          AND I CAN'T SAY WITHOUT CERTAIN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE RETIRING EVERY YEAR. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT. 
          BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAID MORE THAN WHAT WAS ALLOWED BY A COUNTY COMPENSATED POLICY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S NEVER BIG ENOUGH WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT NUMBER WISE. 
          BUT AGAIN, PAYROLL IS VERY ROUTINE. 
          IT HAPPENS EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR DEPARTMENT WHAT YOUR PAYROLL IS, ALMOST PROBABLY TO THE PIN. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING IT MORE AUTOMATED AND GETTING IT UP TO LINE AND USING THE RESOURCES THAT YOU'VE GIVEN PEOPLE TO MAKE IT MORE AUTOMATED, MORE CORRECTED. 
          AND I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER MANNING THAT IF YOU WANT TO STRESS THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU HAVE EVERYBODY TOGETHER, IT'S, IT IS SURELY NOT GOING TO HURT ANYTHING. 
          UM, HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? WE'VE NEVER HEARD THAT ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE OUTTA COMPLIANCE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS NEVER AT BUDGET TIME, WE'VE NEVER, HOW, WHERE'S THIS INFORMATION COME FROM? IT SHOULD COME OFF. 
          ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO GIVE IT TO US? IS KAREN OR I CAN'T GIVE IT TO YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE THE SPREADSHEET. 
          IT SHOULD COME OFF AND NEED SOFTWARE. 
          AM I CORRECT? IF WE WERE ON, WE GET ON IT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT. 
          YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, ONCE IT'S IN THE NEW SOFTWARE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST SAY, HEY AND ASK, CAN YOU ROLL OVER THE NEW SOFTWARE? THAT'D BE A PERFECT TIME TO START WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IF SOMEONE'S ON THERE OVER SCRATCH IT AND GET IT TO THE AMOUNT THAT'S PRESCRIBED BY, 'CAUSE THIS, THIS PART I'VE HEARD OF THIS, WE, HOW WILL WE KNOW WHAT TO FIX IF WE DON'T KNOW THERE WAS A PROBLEM? RIGHT. 
          BE THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD KNOW WOULD BE ULTIMATELY YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT SPREADSHEET IS. 
          I KNEW BECAUSE WHEN I SIGNED OFF ON THE TIME SHEETS ARE I CHECK EVERYBODY'S HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH TIME MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          IN YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT'S EASY BECAUSE Y'ALL WORK WITH THOSE GUYS. 
          BUT LIKE IN COUNTY FIRST OFFICE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S TAKING VACATION OR WHO WHAT. 
          YEAH, YOU DO TOO. 
          DON'T YOU BETTER IT'S ON MY INTERNET. 
          DID I READ THIS REPORT SOMEWHERE ALSO OR SOMEWHERE THAT, UH, EVEN LIKE AT SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WORK THERE LESS THAN A YEAR, HAVE ALL KINDS OF HOLIDAYS AND ALL KINDS OF OVERTIME AND COMPENSATION AND THAT GETS OUT OUT KILTER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO WE'VE GOTTA GET A HANDLE ON THAT ALSO. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN I REALLY THINK THAT A, A COMPLETE OVERVIEW OF THESE GUYS WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK LAST YEAR. 
          WE GOT THIS SYSTEM INSTALLED LAST YEAR WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT, THEY WOULD'VE HAD A LOT OF THIS CLEANED UP AND WE'RE GONNA GET IT CLEANED UP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THOSE NEW SYSTEMS, WHEN YOU GET SOMEBODY NEW, I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME THINGS YOU CAN SET ON THERE THAT YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING UNTIL A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD PASSES. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ALL KINDS OF 
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FEATURES THAT MAKE THAT NUMBER AS CORRECT AS POSSIBLE OTHER THAN ONE PERSON KEEPING IT IN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET. 
          ALL AUTOMATIC CHECKS YES. 
          INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          YES SIR. 
          WELL, IT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THE SYSTEM AND NOT USE IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY A, A ONE MINUTE WAY TO SUM THAT UP. 
          . 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          A THANKS. 
          IT MIGHT TAKE MORE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT, UH, INTERNAL CONTROL OVER PAYROLL. 
          SIMILAR IN THE SENSE THAT THAT'S NOT A VERY BIG DEPARTMENT. 
          ONE PERSON IS REALLY DOING THE COMPENSATED ACCESS THAT'S INHALING THE PAYROLL AND YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES THERE THAT I DON'T THINK, I'M NOT SAYING TO HIRE FIVE PEOPLE, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO GET SOME THINGS APPROVED AND LET OTHER PEOPLE LOOK AT IT BEFORE CHECKS GO OUT. 
          UM, AND THE COUNTY FINES RECEIVABLE THAT I HAVE HAD THIS FINDING IN EVERY SINGLE COUNTY THAT I'VE BEEN TO, THIS ISN'T A KAUFMAN COUNTY ISSUE, THIS IS A ISSUE OF HOW MANY FINES AND FEES ARE OUTSTANDING. 
          WHAT, WHO THEY'RE COLLECTED FOR, WHERE THEY'RE FROM. 
          AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN ACCURATE NUMBER IS A, IS A EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TASK. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SOME ATTORNEYS AND WORKING THOSE DELINQUENT CASES, BUT I THINK THIS YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING OFF THE COUNTY'S SOFTWARE. 
          BUT IT'S STILL, THE REASON THAT WE HAVE IT IN HERE IS, I'M NOT TRYING TO ADD TO PEOPLE'S WORK, BUT PERIODICALLY THESE NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE REPORTS ARE BEING RUN PROPERLY AND THAT THE AMOUNTS ARE ACTUALLY REALLY FINES THAT ARE STILL COLLECTIBLE AND PERIODICALLY AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TAKING SOME OF THOSE FINES THAT ARE NO LONGER COLLECTIBLE OFF TO MAKE THAT SOFTWARE A LITTLE BIT MORE MANAGEABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          I I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD THIS A LITTLE BIT THEN BECAUSE, UH, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT OUR, OUR, UH, COLLECTION ATTORNEYS HAD DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, BUT THIS, THIS IS REPORTS THAT NEED TO BE RUN BY THE TAX ASSESSOR. 
          IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? PAGE 72? YES. 
          NO, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TAX ASSESSOR. 
          THIS IS WHAT ALL JPS COUNTY CLERK, THE COUNTY CLERK, THE DISTRICT CLERK COLLECTS AND OR HAS ON THEIR BOOKS IT'S OWED TO THIS COUNTY. 
          IT'S IN THE, IN THE 20 MEETINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE THINK, WE THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT'S BEEN TOSSED AROUND OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S KIND OF A NEBULOUS NUMBER. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, REMEMBER WHEN WE STARTED AND WE HAD ALL THESE DELINQUENT FINES THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE NUMBER WAS. 
          I HOPE IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S UP THERE. 
          IT AIN'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE 20, BUT IT'S IT'S UP THERE. 
          THEN YOU START FACTORING IN ADULT PROBATION. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S MOST COUNTIES IT'S A VERY BIG NUMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHY WE, I MEAN, HOW DO WE FIX THAT? I MEAN THE, THE, THE THING IS, IS THAT IT'S, IT IS HARD TO JUST SAY THE COUNTY AUDITOR DO IT BECAUSE THE THE THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT ARE NOT ON SOFTWARE THAT YOU EITHER SHE HAS ANY, IF ARE HAS ANY AVAILABLE, I MEAN IT ALMOST NEEDS TO BE LIKE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OR SOMEBODY, AND I'M NOT GONNA THE COUNTY CLERK'S SITTING HERE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY LOOK AT WHAT'S OWED TO THEM, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S GONNA KNOW IS THIS RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, IS THIS REPORT BEING RUN PROPERLY AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY ALL WE DO IS COME IN AT THE END AND SAY, GIMME A LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN WE'RE LEFT TO TEST IT. 
          AND SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE, THE STATE DO NOT RUN THOSE REPORTS ACCURATELY. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE TIMES WE HAVE TO GET IT RUN 3, 4, 5 DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH. 
          AND WHO HAD, DO YOU KNOW, WELL WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LATER. 
          WHAT COUNTY OR COULD WE EMULATE PERHAPS? UH, UH, DENTON HAS A GOOD ONE, BUT THEY'RE BIG TOO. 
          THEY GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE I ENJOY VEGETABLES BECAUSE THEY, THAT'S USUALLY THE ONE THAT, I MEAN, WE VERY RARELY NOW, FIVE YEARS AGO WE HAD THIS COMMENT THERE, BUT THEY, THEY WENT THROUGH AND THEY GOT, AND I'M, I'M NOT EVEN, THEY MAY USE SDWI CAN'T TAKE LONG TIME. 
          THEY DO ON THEIR FINANCIAL SIDE, ON THEIR FI I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY USE IT FOR THE, FOR THE JUDICIAL, LIKE THE PACKAGES, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A YEAH, THEY GOT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          FEES OWED COUNTY AND THIS DOESN'T WORK OFF FOR YOU FOR WHAT SHE RUN FOR ME AND SENT ME, I THOUGHT, MAN, I'M LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES AND I'M THINKING, ARE THESE RIGHT , THE, THE, THOSE THINGS THAT YOU RECEIVABLE REPORT. 
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RIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, WHAT HE'S TELLING ABOUT, AND YOU KNOW, I JUST PUT IT IN TERMS OF OUR GAS, GAS FEE REPORT ON, ON ODYSSEY, WHICH IS FEES ACCESS ASSESSED VERSUS FEES COLLECTED. 
          AND TO GO IN THERE AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS THOSE, THE AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, OH, WELL I'M NOT GONNA COLLECT THIS. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, I KNOW THE, THE COUNTY AND DISTRICT CLERK DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND SAY, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WAIVE THIS, THIS STATE FEE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COLLECTING. 
          AND I KNOW THE DA DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY ONCE THEY ASSESS THE COSTS. 
          AND, AND THEN I DON'T, AND AND JOHN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF WE WENT IN THERE AND SAID ON ALL THE CASES THAT WERE, THIS WAS ASSESSED AND WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA COLLECT IT, SO WE'RE GONNA WAIVE ALL THESE BALANCES, I THINK THAT THE STATE WOULD NEED COME DOWN AND SAY THOSE ARE STATE FEES THAT YOU SHOULD BE COLLECTING. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I PROBABLY MISSPOKE JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          I I DON'T MEAN WHEN I SAY TO LOOK AT 'EM AND SEE IF THEY'RE ULTIMATELY COLLECTIBLE. 
          I I, I DON'T MEAN I MAY HAVE SAID RIGHT OFF. 
          I DID NOT MEAN THAT. 
          WHAT I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE IS THINGS THAT ARE REALLY OLD GROUPED IN A WAY THAT WE CAN PUT A BALANCE IN THERE THAT, THAT WHEN WE PUT IT HERE, ESSENTIALLY SHOWS IT'S NOT COLLECTIBLE IF YOU GET IT FINE. 
          WHAT I WOULD LIKE FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEAD REALLY IS RUNNING THAT GSB 34 REPORT AND, AND KIND OF MANAGING IT AND SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S OWED, MAYBE SEPARATED BY DATE, SOME WAY THAT WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE OWED. 
          NOT TELLING YOU TO WRITE ANYTHING OFF, BUT JUST SO WE CAN GET A MORE ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF WHAT, BECAUSE WHEN WE, WHATEVER WE DON'T SAY IS UNCOLLECTIBLE ULTIMATELY GOES INTO REVENUE IN YOUR GOVERNMENT LIFE, FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO KEEP PUTTING REVENUE IN THERE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA COLLECT AND BUILD THIS BIG NUMBER UP AND THEN, ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE MAYBE TRAFFIC TICKETS WHERE SOME GUY THAT LIVES JPS HAD TONS. 
          YES. 
          MISSISSIPPI THAT DRIVES DOWN INTERSTATE 20 AND GETS A, A TICKET FOR 180 AND A 65 AND YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA PROBABLY IF THEY DON'T PAY IT, UNLESS WE GET IT REAL QUICK, THE PROBABLY THEY'RE GONNA GET DONE. 
          AND THAT'S THE THING, THAT'S KIND OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT IS THAT I GUARANTEE IF YOU WENT TO THAT JP AND SAID IF IT'S THIS ISN'T PAID WITHIN SIX MONTHS, DO YOU EVER GET IT? NO. 
          SO THEN YOU GET INTO SOME THINGS WHERE YOU COULD RUN THAT REPORT SEGREGATED BY EVERYTHING THAT'S OVER SIX MONTHS. 
          WE WOULD KNOW HAS A GOOD CHANCE OF NOT BEING COLLECTIBLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT AMOUNT DOESN'T GO TO REVENUE. 
          ARE WE NOT DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, AREN'T THEY SAYING THESE ARE UNCOLLECTIBLE? DID WE TELL THE JVS TO DO THAT? BUT I DON'T THINK THEY CAN JUST WRITE 'EM OFF. 
          NO, IT'S GOTTA BE, BECAUSE THAT'LL ALWAYS ACCEPT THE MONEY IF SOMEBODY GETS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE DEAL. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MOVING AND DEEMING THESE NOT COLLECTIBLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE COLLECTION OF THESE FEES, FINES. 
          ONCE THEY'VE GONE TO THAT 60 DAYS, THEN THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY STRIKE WHILE THE IRON PLOTS. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THIS YEAR AGAIN BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL TWO, THEY'RE, THEY SHOULDN'T BE WRITING THEM OFF UNTIL THEY BRING THEM TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          GET YOUR APPROVAL TO WITH, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY WRONG TERM ONLY, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ONLY, PROBABLY THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN PROVE TO, UH, EXPENSE BAD DEBT. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU WRITE THOSE OFF, THEN WE HAVE TO RECORD ON THE GENERAL LEDGER BAD DEBT EXPENSE AND GET THEM OFF THES. 
          SO I STILL HAVE TO GIVE THEM UP THE REPORT FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SO I'M CONTINUING TO KEEP THE GENERAL ELECTRIC DOCUMENTED THAT THIS IS WHERE OUR RECEIPT IS FROM THE SIZE OF THE LIST OF, OF OUTSTANDING WARRANTS AND TICKETS THAT WE HAVE. 
          THEY'RE NOT GETTING WRITTEN OFF. 
          THEY'RE STAYING ON THAT LIST. 
          THEY'RE NOT NOT BEING COLLECTED EITHER. 
          NOW I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF 'EM AREN'T, BUT BUT Y'ALL DO Y'ALL, YOU ALL ENGAGED OUT OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO HELP WORK THOSE OUTSTANDING FINES AND FEES AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE THING THAT A LOT OF PLACES DON'T DO NOTHING TO LOSE THERE. 
          WELL IT'S, I MEAN IT'S, THEY'VE DONE REMARKABLY WELL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          I PROMISE. 
          I AGREE. 
          IT'S, IT'S THEN HE DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING UNLESS YOU GET NO MONEY. 
          YOU WERE GONNA GET A DOLLAR IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT. 
          SO I, I HIGHLY APPLAUD THE COUNTY FOR, FOR AT LEAST ATTEMPTING TO COLLECT AS MANY OF THOSE FINES AS POSSIBLE. 
          LET THEM WORK THE CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          QUITE HONESTLY, THAT'S WHAT HELPED US GET OUTTA THE RED, YOU KNOW, 1.6 MILLION. 
          THEY REALLY STEPPED IT UP BUT THEY UH, THEY DO SEEM TO BE DECLINING NOW WHATEVER 
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REASON THEY, THEY, THE OLD ONES, YOU KNOW, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT WAS WHAT WE COLLECT THAT BIG MONEY ON. 
          I THINK THE BENCHMARK NOW IS THEY'RE LOOKING AT A THIRD 35% COLLECTION RATE. 
          BUT I THINK THE BENCHMARK NOW IS THAT COLLECTING ON THE TICKETS WERE WRITTEN 60, 90 DAYS, 180 DAYS AGO, WHATEVER ON THOSE WENT UP THIS HIGH NOW BE DROPPED BACK DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN $200,000 A YEAR EXTRA HOURS BE FROM WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT THEY CAN GET. 
          I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAD THOUGH, AND SOME ARE ACCUMULATED TIMES ARE SOME OF THESE DEFINED, UH, WHEN SOMEBODY GETS SENTENCED 20 YEARS IN JAIL AND A 10,000 FINE, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THAT 10,000. 
          THE GUYS IN JAIL SEE THOSE THINGS, BUT IT'S ON THE BOOKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY YOU DON FIND SOMEBODY, THE ONE THING IS THAT THE NUMBERS ARE MORE TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S A BIG DOLLAR FIGURE. 
          YEAH. 
          ESPECIALLY ONES WHERE WE HAVE THE BIG ROAD GOING THROUGH THAT, THAT ONE PRECINCT IS IT'S HALF OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S SOME OF THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE BOLD OF IT. 
          BUT THAT IS A GOOD POINT. 
          THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF LET'S MOVE THIS, WELL WE DON'T COUNT THIS AS REVENUE BECAUSE WE'RE PROBABLY NEVER GONNA GET IT MOVE TO . 
          SO STILL A LOT TO WORK ON, BUT THERE HAS BEEN PROGRESS MADE AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE FOR THEIR HELP. 
          I MEAN WE REALLY HAD TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON ALL OF THIS AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT DONE, BUT WE'RE IN A PRETTY GOOD SPOT AND I THINK THAT THE EXTRA TIME THAT THEY'RE SPENDING IS GOING TO YIELD RESULTS IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. 
          MEANING NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RIGHT NUMBER TO START WITH, TAKE THAT CAPITAL ASSET COMMENT OUT AND HAVE IT GOOD GOING FORWARD, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ALL WE CAN ASK FOR. 
          AND, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE BEING OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR EVER HAVE ANY, NEED SOME HELP FROM US, JUST BE LET YOU KNOW. 
          DON'T HESITATE TO CALL US OR ANYTHING. 
          THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD, UH, UM RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, GLAD TO GET THE DOCUMENT. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE UP THE SCHEDULE AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE COULD NOT CAUSE OF SOME OF THE THINGS YOU TOLD US THIS MORNING, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL I THINK TO THE COURT IF WE COULD SEE THIS A FEW MONTHS EARLIER AND YOU AND I HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO IS I CAN MAKE A LIST OF WHAT ALL WE NEED AND IF WE HAVE THAT WE CAN COME OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY LIKE IF WE WOULD'VE DONE THIS IN JANUARY, YOU KNOW, WE STILL WOULDN'T HAVE HAD CAPITAL ASSETS. 
          SO, BUT IF WE, ONCE WE CROSSED THAT BRIDGE AND THAT THING IS REGULARLY RUN, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T START MOVING IT UP. 
          THAT DEFINES IT COMPENSATED ABSENCES IN THE NEW SYSTEM. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN YOU CAN COME OUT HERE IN FEBRUARY. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          OR JANUARY. 
          WELL PART OF THE ISSUE, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, Y'ALL BUY THE SOFTWARE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONVERSION, PUTTING EVERYTHING IN THE NEW SYSTEM SO WE CAN ACTUALLY RUN REPORTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, I WAS I SEE THAT NOTE. 
          THE STUFF THAT THAT THAT YOU WROTE US UP ON, WE'RE ALREADY AWARE OF WHERE IF WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING AND LOOKED LIKE THE SOFTWARE, WHENEVER WE DO GET IT ALL, WE'LL SOLVE A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          I AGREE. 
          IT APPEARS TO ME, YES, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GOING TO USING THE SYSTEM PROPERLY. 
          WE SHOULD ERADICATE TO ANY OF THE PAYROLL COMMENTS, WHICH ARE TWO EM AND THE CAPITAL ASSET SYSTEM. 
          THAT AUTOMATICALLY TAKES SIX FINDINGS DOWN. 
          WE'LL WE GET A HUNDRED OR AN EIGHT PLUS NEXT TIME THEN WE DO THIS. 
          WE'LL SEE IF YOU'RE NOT CHARGED TOWARDS COMMISSIONER GOT AN A BECAUSE WE GOT AN UNQUALIFIED OPINION, THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN GET. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON OUR LEASES. 
          PAGE 35, IS IT POSSIBLE WE HAVE $950 MILLION WORTH OF EXPENDITURE ON LEASES THIS YEAR? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THAT SAYS? WHICH ON PAGE 35? YES. 
          YOUR NO, THAT IS OH YEAH. 
          951,000 OF MINIMUM LEASE PAYMENTS FOR YEAR, FISCAL YEAR. 
          2013. 
          500,000 OF IT'S THE SOFTWARE PAYING OFF. 
          REMEMBER THAT? WE'VE GOT ONE MORE, ONE MORE PAYMENT COMMISSIONER IF YOU LOOK, LOOK AT IT, 9 51, 665 AND 50. 
          IT'S 151,000. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT'S THE BULK OF THAT. 
          DO ANY, WE HAVE ONE PAYMENT OF THE 500,000 LEFT ON YEAH. 
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ONE IT PAYS OFF IN FI IN FISCAL 2014 NEXT YEAR. 
          THAT'LL BE THE LAST TIME I'LL HAVE TO PAY ON THAT. 
          THAT'S 14. 
          SO WE HAVE ABOUT 150,000 OR SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          EQUIPMENT YOU NEED TO REALIZE NOW THAT WE, WE'VE WORKED IT OUT. 
          WHEN YOU DO THE BUYBACK, IT'S AN AWESOME THING BECAUSE YOU GET ANY EQUIPMENT, BUT THOSE ARE NOT ASSETS OF THE COUNTY, WHICH HAD BEEN RECORDED AS ASSETS. 
          SO WE HAD TO GET THOSE DELETED. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR, OUR STUFF. 
          WE JUST BORING THAT. 
          THAT STUFF HAS TO BE RECORDED IN YOUR BUDGET AS REVENUE ON THAT LOAN. 
          THE TOTAL LEASE PAYMENTS AND IT'S A TOTAL EXPENDITURE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY YOU BROKE THE BRIDGE WITH THAT DEBT BECAUSE THE WAY IT HAD TO BE RECORDED, ALL SUDDEN DEBT SERVICE WAS IN DEFICIT SIMPLY FOR THE REASON WE SAVED 1.4 MILLION IN INTEREST BY REFINANCING THAT BOND. 
          BUT WHEN WE DID IT, WE HAD TO RECARD ON PROCEEDS, ORIGINATION COSTS, ISSUANCE COST, AND THE ISSUANCE COST PLUS THE REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY LITTLE SKEWED RIGHT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY. 
          IT HAPPENS LIKE THAT JUST LIKE WE FINANCING MORTGAGE. 
          YOU HAVE TO PAY SOME MONEY UP FRONT, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU END UP SPENDING A LOT LESS. 
          YEAH. 
          THE GOOD NEWS THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE END OF THE, THIS BUDGET YEAR 2013, UH, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE BUDGETED 9 51 THIS YEAR. 
          NEXT YEAR WE'LL ONLY HAVE TO BUDGET 6 65 UNLESS WE'VE HAD SOME NEW LEASES COME INTO PLACE AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE HAVE OR NOT. 
          WELL, SIX OF THOSE VEHICLES WILL HAVE A DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT BUT NOT A LEASE PAYMENT. 
          BUT I MEAN THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, AND WE'VE, WE'VE SET UP NEW LINE ITEMS WHEN I'VE ALREADY GOT THE TRIAL BALANCE, THE ADJUSTMENTS IN. 
          SO I MATCHED THEIR AUDIT AND THEIR TRIAL BALANCE WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE AND I HAD TO SET UP THINGS BECAUSE LIKE IN YOUR BUDGET FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE ON YOUR LEASE PAYMENTS, IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN ONE LINE NEXT YEAR. 
          BE PRINCIPLE INTEREST PAYMENTS. 
          LIKE THE GOOD THING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BOND ELECTION, EITHER TRANSPORTATION OR COURT, UH, BOND PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT OUR, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT OUR, THIS IS OUR CREDIT REPORT. 
          BASICALLY WHAT BOIL DOWN TO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, WE ARE GETTING OURSELVES HEALTHY AGAIN, WHICH WILL AFFECT OUR, OUR ABILITY TO SELL BONDS AT A LOWER INTEREST RATE. 
          SO PURELY HAVING POSITIVE FUND BALANCE ABSOLUTELY IS, IS A BIG RIGHT. 
          INTEREST RATES SAY THEN, AS YOU SAID, IF YOU LOOK DOWN HERE AND YOU SEE YOUR INTEREST, YOUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS GOING DOWN, RIGHT. 
          THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SHOWING THEY CAN SELL TO BOND PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, THIS PLACE IS TRENDING IN A POSITIVE, POSITIVE FINANCIAL POSITION. 
          ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE AUDITOR. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD, UH, LIKE WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT CHECKING ACCOUNTS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD GET A PROFILE FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT WE COULD ALWAYS EACH MONTH HAVE A, A COPY OF ALL THE CHECKING ACCOUNTS WE HAVE? UH, IS THAT A PROBLEM OR IS THAT, I CAN GIVE YOU A BALANCE SHEET, BUT YOU'D PROBABLY BE BETTER GETTING THAT FROM THE COUNTY TREASURER SINCE HE SETS UP ALL THOSE BANK ACCOUNTS. 
          YOU COULD PROBABLY GET HIM WHERE IT JUST SHOWS EVERY BANK ACCOUNT WITH A BALANCE MAYBE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WOULD COPY A QUESTION. 
          WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW, SEEING WHAT, WHAT IS IN OUR CHAIN ACCOUNTS, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. 
          BASICALLY CHECKING OUR, YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER ROSA GOT TO SEE ONE OF OUR  THE OTHER DAY. 
          I STILL GOTTA GET IT. 
          . 
          UH, ONE, ONE. 
          GOOD THING ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA BECAUSE IF YOU OFFICIALLY SEND THAT TO THE BANK AND WANT EVERYTHING LISTED TO YOU, THEN YOU WOULD FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY EXTRA ACCOUNTS OUT THERE THAT SOMEBODY'S OPEN WITHOUT AUTHORITY. 
          THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          I'M TRYING TO BELIEVE THAT DID HAPPEN. 
          YES, IT DID. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, IT WAS AN OLD ACCOUNT THAT HADN'T BEEN USED. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, BUT OKAY. 
          NOT USED . 
          BUT THEN THE THING IS, IS IF YOU GOT THAT LIST, YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE HAVEN'T USED THIS ACCOUNT IN SEE THAT EIGHT YEARS. 
          LET'S, LET'S CLOSE IT WHERE THERE'S NOT THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING GOOD LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S AN ACTUAL AUDIT PROCEDURE TOO. 
          WE SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING. 
          SHOULDN'T 
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KNOW EVERYTHING. 
          UH, OTHER QUESTIONS? JOHN, YOU, WE'VE KEPT YOU UP HERE ON THE FIRING LINE FOR A WHILE, BUT, UH, HEALTHY FOR US TO GO THROUGH THIS DETAIL THAT WE DID. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL, UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT MOTION? COMMISSIONER MANNY? SECOND MOTION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          THANK YOU JOHN COMM. 
          APPRECIATE IT ALL. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER OR ONE OFFICIAL NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL. 
          AND THAT'S A POSITION COUNTY. 
          JUDGE, I, ONE MORE COMMITTEE HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE WANT THE COUNTY JUDGE AND REPRESENTATIVE. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAYING. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT LITTLE CLEAR JUDGE? JUST REMEMBER, UH, NUMBER FIVE IS TO DISCUSS AND DOING THIS, UH, WE TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ASKING THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO PLACE COUNTY ROAD SIGNS ON THE STATE ROADWAY. 
          YES. 
          AND SO WE GOT THAT ON THE AGENDA LETTER FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SIGN IF WE AGREE TO DO THIS. 
          SO WHAT'S YOUR WAIVER ON THAT? I MAKE A MOTION REQUEST. 
          ALRIGHT, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER AND SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER MANNING. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY OPPOSED. 
          NUMBER SIX. 
          AND JACK, UH, DISCUSS THE, UH, KAREN, WE'VE, UH, AND I GUESS MYSELF DISCUSSED CONSIDER THOUSAND 13,014 BUDGET PLANNING PROCEDURES INCLUDING A TIMELINE FOR RECEIVING PROPOSAL FOR PRIVATIZATION OF COUNTY JAIL. 
          LEMME TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE ON THE, UH, PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          LAST WEEK, OR I GUESS MONDAY THIS WEEK, WE SENT OUT EVERYBODY'S LAST YEAR BUDGET, EVERY DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, ASKING THEM TO GET THAT BACK TO MY OFFICE BY, I FORGET WHAT THE DATE IS, THE 12TH. 
          12TH. 
          AND, UH, THAT WAY IT WILL GIVE US BEGINNING POINT. 
          KAREN AND I ARE GONNA SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THOSE. 
          WE'RE ALREADY GETTING SOME OF THEM BACK WHERE THERE'S NO CHANGE, YOU KNOW. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE WILL DO, WE'LL COMPILE THOSE AND WE WILL DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, OR AT LEAST THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          WE'LL START GOING THROUGH EACH DIVISION DEPARTMENT AS COURT, AND WE'LL, WHAT WE, I WANNA DO IT EARLIER IF WE CAN THIS YEAR, BUT, UH, WE'LL START DISCUSSING THOSE BUDGET ITEMS FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          AND WE, WE NORMALLY SPEND THREE OR FOUR DAYS AND IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY GRUELING TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAYBE DO ONE OR TWO DAYS A WEEK, YOU KNOW, AND KIND OF GUESS TIME TO, UH, UH, THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS AND THEN HAVE A BUDGET, A PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          WE WOULDN'T ADOPT THE BUDGET AND WE HAVE TO ADOPT IT BY, UH, WHEN OCTOBER THE FIRST, I GUESS BEFORE, BEFORE OCTOBER. 
          AND WE WOULD, UH, UH, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROPOSED BUDGET ON, YOU KNOW, TENTATIVE BUDGET, READY TO GO 30 DAYS BEFORE WE CAN ADOPT THE FORMAL BUDGET, THE ACTUAL BUDGET. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO DO THAT NO LATER THAN THE 1ST OF AUGUST. 
          WE POSSIBLY CAN, WE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF OUR PROPERTY VALUES IN. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD TIME BY THEN END TO GET ALL OF THE, UH, UH, BUDGETED BUDGET ITEMS LOOKED AT AND MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR OVER ALL THEIR BUDGETS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PLAN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          BUT, UH, IT'LL BE A, YOU KNOW, NEW THINK OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BETTER, UH, THAN ONE THING. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING GO DOWN. 
          I HOPE THEY'RE FLAT OR, OR NOT GOING DOWN ANYMORE. 
          MAYBE A LITTLE BIT GOING UP. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S KIND OF A PART OF IT. 
          AND UH, JACK, I THINK YOU HAD AN UPDATE ON US 
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ON THE, UH, PRIVATIZATION OF THE JAIL. 
          I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME DATES THAT GOT BEEN MET. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I MET WITH SHEET BIGGER LAST WEEK AND WE STARTED, UH, FILING THAT INFORMATION FOR PROPOSAL. 
          UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO THAT BID TO CLOSE ON JULY THE EIGHTH, UH, PENDING ANY CHANGES OR EXTENSION OF THE BID DUE TO SPECIFICATION CHANGES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A BID. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE ANY PAPERWORK ON THAT AS FAR AS WHAT, UH, WHAT THE PRIVATIZATION IS GONNA ENTAIL? IS IT GONNA BE, UH, THE MEDICAL CONTRACTS, THE FOOD CONTRACTS, JUST THE OPERATIONS OF THE JAIL OR WHAT, WHAT ALL IS THAT? WELL, THE BID WENT OUT, UH, BASED ON, ON, UH, JOHNSON COUNTY I THINK IS THE, UH, COUNTY THAT ALSO PREFERRED TO KIND OF USE THAT AS A WATER PLATE, IF YOU WOULD. 
          AND, UH, THAT INCLUDES THE OPERATION MANAGEMENT, MAINTENANCE AND MEDICAL COUNTY, UH, CENTER OBVIOUSLY. 
          UH, UH, WE JUST OPENED UP, FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST OPENED UP A FOOD BID THAT THE PROPOSAL, UH, AND GOT HIS COPY YESTERDAY. 
          WE PUT A PANEL TOGETHER AND REVIEW THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVE TO COME DOWN CONDUCT BUSINESS AS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW? SURE. 
          EVEN THOUGH WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS. 
          SO, UH, IF THIS THING FLIES AND WE'LL HAVE TO, PART OF THIS PROPOSAL WILL BE THE, UH, UH, SUCCESSFUL VENDOR WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON OUR, OUR FOOD CONTRACT FOR THE FIRST YEAR. 
          FIRST HAD TO TAKE ON THE MEDICAL FIRST YEAR, AND WE COULD GO NEGOTIATE THAT TO WHERE A YEAR OR TWO THEY, THEY CHOOSE TO GO OUT ON THEIR OWN AND DO THAT. 
          SO THE CONTRACTS WE HAVE IN PLACE WOULD STAY IN PLACE. 
          THAT'S BE HONOR. 
          YES. 
          TO BE BACK UP. 
          WHAT ABOUT OUR PERSONNEL JACK? UH, IS THERE ANY STIPULATION IN THE CONTRACT THAT OUR PERSONNEL WILL BE, IN OTHER WORDS, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND DEPEND ON THEIR JOBS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR JOB OUT THERE. 
          UH, IS THIS, SAY IF A COMPANY COMES IN HERE FROM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE NEW MEXICO OR ALASKA OR WHEREVER THEY MAY COME FROM, YOU KNOW, THEY GONNA RUN ALL OUR PEOPLE OFF AND AND BRING NEW PEOPLE IN? OR IS THERE A STIPULATION IN THAT CONTRACT TO PROVIDE FOR THE, FOR THE EMPLOYEES OR, UH, PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD, UH,  I HAVE WAS I THINK THE REQUIREMENT OR WHAT'S GOING TO IN THE PUZZLE IS FOR THAT, UH, VENDOR NEEDS TO KNOW WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY WILL HIRE THE FOLKS WE HAVE ON STAFF AND AT THE CURRENT PAY IS WHAT I'M TOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          IS WHAT WE SET THAT AT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I GUESS THEY LATER PLACE FOLKS THAT THAT WOULD ALSO CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE A HANDICAP PUT THE HANDICAP ON THE CONTRACT TO START WITH? UH, I THINK IT'LL, I THINK IT WOULD OR COULD BE, YOU KNOW, BUT I PROBABLY NEED DECIDE WHAT, WHAT'S OUR GOAL? WE WANNA KEEP OUR PEOPLE EMPLOYED. 
          THIS IS NOT THE CAR COUNTY AGENCY. 
          WE NEED TO LOOK AFTER OUR CITIZENS TAX. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AFTER OUR TAX DOLLAR. 
          WE ALSO GOT A LOT PEOPLE THAT WORK OUT THERE THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THEY MAKE THEIR LIVE. 
          WELL THEY'LL, AND THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE A LONG EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE VIABLE EMPLOYEES, WELL THEY'LL BE, YEAH. 
          IT'S HARD TO PART JAILERS OUT MIDAIR. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE CERTIFIED TRAILERS. 
          I'M SURE THEY'LL BE IT A BENEFIT TO COUNTY TO RETAIN AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY CAN. 
          LY THEY'RE ALREADY JOB THE SHERIFF. 
          I, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT GOING FORWARD. 
          I THINK IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE MEDICAL BID. 
          UH, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO HIRE THE SAME FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          I MAKE THEM DO THAT. 
          BUT, UH, WE ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          I JUST HATE TO SEE US HANDICAP THE COMPANY'S GOING OUT FOR BIDS BY, UH, MAKING THEM HIRE, YOU KNOW, A THIRD MORE EMPLOYEES. 
          I'M NOT NECESSARY TO RUN. 
          I'M NOT SAYING MAKE THEM HIRE, I MEAN, JUST PUT THAT IN THE BID. 
          WE WOULD URGE 'EM, I LIKE YOUR WORD, WE WOULD URGE 'EM TO HIRE OUR PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME IN THERE AND GET TO BED, RUN EVERYBODY OFF, AND THEN BRING IN PEOPLE FROM WHEREVER AND REPLACE ALL THOSE PEOPLE, THEN WE GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED HERE. 
          I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT AT ALL. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN TIME BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, SINCE IT'S A, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S A 12 HOUR SHIFT OR WHATEVER, THEY HAVE TO LIVE PRETTY CLOSE, I WOULD IMAGINE TO ONE WORK THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAD WHEN FIRST STARTED DISCUSSING 
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THIS, WHY I SAID, WELL WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS, WE DECIDED WE GONNA CUT THIS CONTRACTOR OFF AFTER WE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'LL FIRE YOU TO RUN THE JAIL. 
          WHERE DO WE GET OUR DEALERS AT? RIGHT. 
          AND GUYS, THE RESPONSE WAS, WE'LL GET 'EM THE SAME PLACE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET 'EM, WE'RE GONNA USE THE ONES ALREADY THERE. 
          WOW. 
          SO WHENEVER WE FIRE THESE GUYS DOWN THE ROAD FOR WHATEVER THE JAILS ARE GOING TO BE THERE, THE STAFF STILL GONNA BE THERE. 
          SO WHAT'S HIRE THEM IF IT CAME ROUND TO THAT KNOW IF WE EVER DISSATISFIED WITH THE CONTRACT, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL DO THE SAME THING. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING HAVE TO USE WHAT IS THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, NOT COMING AND RETRAIN AND RE REDO. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD IMPORT PEOPLE OUT THE COUNTY THAT MAY BE ATTRITION DUE TO PEOPLE NOT DOING THEIR JOB. 
          I, I'M SURE OF THAT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME PAY SOMEBODY IF I'M JOE CONTRACTOR, I WANNA HIRE SOMEBODY I WANNA HIRE EVEN MORE OR LESS MAYBE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING. 
          I DUNNO WHAT THOSE PEOPLE, UH, WHAT THEIR MO ON I JUST HATE, BUT THEY COULD BE PAYING THEM MORE THAN WE'RE PAYING IS I FEEL LIKE THAT YOU, THE JUDGE OVER JOHNSON COUNTY WOULD SAID SOMETHING TO ABOUT THIS, Y'ALL, WE KNOW THAT IF THERE WAS ISSUES LIKE THAT, THE JUDGE SAY ANYTHING UPFRONT ABOUT, UH, I THINK HE SAID SOMETHING, THERE WAS AN ISSUE AND HE DIDN'T LIKE IT BECAUSE HE LIKES HIS PEOPLE DO BETTER FROM THERE IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. 
          I GUESS THE ONLY I MIGHT ADD TO THAT IS, UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT, UH, WHEN WE OUT THE, UH, HEALTH SEARCH, THE FIRST TIME WE ENCOURAGED THE, UH, VENDOR TO RETAIN THOSE EMPLOYEES. 
          AND I THINK THEY, THEY, THEY ONLY RETAINED ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER WHEN WE THAT THING. 
          SO BECAUSE DOING A GOOD JOB, THEY HIRE, I THINK WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO HIRE FOLKS. 
          THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB NOW. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONTINUE. 
          UH, I'D JUST HAVE TO SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED OR NOT DOING THEIR JOB, THEY HAVE SURE THEY GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN 'EM OFF OR GOT THE LEEWAY TO RUN 'EM OFF. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T BRING IN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE FROM OUT STATE OR WHEREVER THEY'RE MIGHT GONNA BE COMING FROM, THAT'S WHAT I GOT PROBLEMS WITH. 
          LOSING MY, MY ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH PRIVATIZATION BACK WHEN I WAS IN THE SCHOOL BUSINESS, WE PRIVATIZED TRANSPORTATION AND, UH, WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THESE SAME QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME THAT, GOSH, IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO I GUESS NOW. 
          AND, UH, THE, THE, WE, THEY'VE CHANGED COUNTRIES TWO OR THREE TIMES SINCE THEN. 
          BUT MOST OF THESE ISSUES KIND OF WORKED THEMSELVES OUT THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE GUYS WE HAD HAD BEEN BUS DRIVERS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. 
          AND THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THEY WERE GONNA GO OFF OF THE TEACHER RETIREMENT SYSTEM, UH, WHICH BUS DRIVERS WERE MEMBERS OF. 
          UH, BUT THE COMPANY THAT, I MEAN, WE ULTIMATELY WENT IN WITH IT AND HAD THEIR OWN RETIREMENT SYSTEM PLUS SOCIAL SECURITY. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LIKE WE DO HERE AT THE COUNTY. 
          AND IT WORKED, WORKED VERY WELL. 
          MEAN THEY, UH, UH, BUT THE KEY TO IT IS WHO THE MANAGER IS OR WHO THE PERSON IS THAT'S OVER THE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE MANAGEMENT'S ALWAYS. 
          IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS THAT AND THERE. 
          BUT I CAN ALSO TELL YOU, I'VE TALKED TO OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS OVER, I DID AT THE TIME THAT THEY, IT DIDN'T WORK AGAIN, IT ALWAYS WENT BACK TO ONE OR TWO INDIVIDUALS. 
          MANAGEMENT DIDN'T WORK, SO, AND WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DO IT. 
          WE DID IT TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY. 
          ULTIMATELY IT DIDN'T SAVE ANY MONEY. 
          IT DIDN'T COST ANY MORE MONEY. 
          BUT IT, UH, IT CUT OUT ONE BIG HEADACHE THAT WE HAD AND, UH, HAD A HUGE LIABILITY THAT WE HAD BECAUSE THE BUS COMPANY ASSUMED ALL OF THE LIABILITY, UH, THAT, UH, THAT, AND THAT WAS REALLY IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUSINESS. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR LIABILITIES WE HAD WAS TRANSPORTATION BUS ON HIGHWAY MAJOR LIABILITY. 
          SO, UH, IT'LL BE INTERESTING. 
          I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT UNDER THE STATUTE, THE SHERIFF'S ONE THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE THE FINAL YAY OR A ON THIS. 
          SO WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT AS WELL. 
          AND I KNOW SHERIFF AND I HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, UH, AS WELL. 
          AND HE'S BEEN OPEN TO GETTING THIS DONE. 
          WE'VE HAD THIS SERIES OF EVENTS, YOU KNOW, FOR THREE MONTHS THAT PRETTY WELL KEPT, UH, OUR FOLKS TIED UP. 
          BUT I 
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THINK WE'RE ALL MOVING FORWARD JUST TRYING TO AT LEAST SOME FIGURES TO LOOK AT ITS NUMBERS TO, UH, TO REVIEW. 
          I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IF WE HANDICAP THE CONTRACTOR TO I UNDERSTAND AND MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE KNOW, MAKE IT FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO, AND ALL THE CONTRACTS THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. 
          WELL, THE GOOD PART ABOUT THAT WOULD BE, AND, AND I GUESS THESE CONTRACTS WE HAVE, THERE'S 90 DAY OUT, LIKE 60 DAY OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO, UH, BALLPARK AND WE ACTUALLY WOUND UP SAVING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CASH SERVICE. 
          SO WHEN YOU BID IT OUT, OR ARE YOU GONNA BID IT OUT INCLUDING THE TOTAL? WELL, I THINK WE DO. 
          NO, I SAID WE CAN DO THAT. 
          IT'D A TOTAL, BUT I THINK, UH, UH, WE'D HAVE TO, UH, SLIDE THE HEALTH, HEALTH BID. 
          MAY OR NOT, MAY NOT REMEMBER. 
          UH, WE WERE CURRENTLY UNDER A, UH, UH, WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH THE VENDORS FOR X-RAYS. 
          WE HAD A DOCTOR, WE HAD DIFFERENT SUPPLIES, WE HAD MEDICATION, WE HAD A VARIOUS THING WE WERE ALREADY DOING. 
          WE JUST CAN'T CUT OFF. 
          SO THE FIRST YEAR, A DENT, FIRST YEAR, THE VENDOR WAS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THOSE VOTES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, FIRST YEAR THEY, WITH THE APPROVAL SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THEY CAN, UH, HIRE THEIR OWN FOLKS AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE SAME REQUIREMENT. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'LL HAVE AROUND THAT, THE CONTRACT COUNTY STIPULATION COUNTY JAIL, DOES THAT COMPANY HAVE ALL THE CONTRACTS AS FAR AS FOOD, MEDICAL, X-RAY, ALL THAT? I, I COULD, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY ALL THE CONTRACTS I THINK IT IS, BUT, BUT, UH, THEY, THEY DO HAVE THAT STIPULATION IN THERE. 
          IT'S NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PULLED OUT THIN AIR. 
          I, I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT IS ONCE WE GO, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE SAVINGS? I NEED TO BE OPEN UP. 
          I NEED TO BE ABLE TO OPEN UP AND TELL IMMEDIATELY IF FOR THE SAVINGS OR NOT. 
          I I TO HEAR WHAT THAT SAVINGS IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA RETAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, I'VE GOTTA FACTOR THAT IN WITH THEY'RE KEEPING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, THE VENDORS COMING IN WITH FAIR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. 
          HOW'S THAT COMPARE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW? SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND. 
          WHAT, WHAT TRIGGERED THIS? IS IT HALF MILLION AND A MILLION? LET LET, LEMME TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          THIS IS JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS COUNTY JUDGE, MY BELIEF IS, IS THAT WE NEED TO FIND THE LEASE A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE CAN REDISTRIBUTE TO THE FOUR COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR ROAD BECAUSE THEY HAVE REALLY TAKEN THE HIT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ALL COME FROM THE JAIL, IT COME FROM MANY OTHER DIFFERENT SOURCES. 
          AND PRIMARILY OUR SAVINGS COME FROM REDUCING PERSONNEL POSITION, WHICH WE HAVE DONE PRETTY WELL OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          WE'VE GOT FEWER EMPLOYEES THAN WE'VE HAD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS HERE. 
          BUT TO, UH, REALLY SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS PERSONNEL IS WHERE IT HAS TO TURN ON OCCUR. 
          AND I BELIEVE BY THE TIME YOU ADD OUR FRINGE BENEFITS AND OUR WORKERS' COMP AND HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, AND IT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SALARY, BEGINNING SALARY IS AND ALL THAT, BUT THE AVERAGE COUNTY PERSONNEL WILL BE ADD IN ALL THEIR STUFF. 
          THAT'S ABOUT 40,000. 
          SO IF YOU ELIMINATE 10 PEOPLE, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 40,000 BUCKS, 400,000, YOU ELIMINATE 20 PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 800,000. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE REAL, NOW THERE ARE OTHER SAVINGS. 
          I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE BIG SAVINGS REALLY ARE. 
          BUT I REALLY WANT TO, BECAUSE I HEAR COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DO, I CAN ALWAYS SAY, LOOK, THAT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY CALL, BUT I KNOW THEY NEED MONEY IN THEIR ROAD BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED TO OUR TAX RATE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE ROAD BRIDGE TAX RATE HAS DECLINED. 
          AND THE M AND O TAX RATE, THE TOTAL TAX RATE STAY THE SAME, BUT THE ROAD BRIDGE TAX RATE HAS DECLINED AND THE M AND O TAX RATE'S GONE UP. 
          AND UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN GETTING OURSELVES HEALTHY, BUT I KNOW THEY NEED HELP ON THEIR ROAD BRIDGES. 
          AND I WANT TO TRY TO AT LEAST FIND AT LEAST THIS FIRST YEAR, AT LEAST A MILLION DOLLARS THAT CAN BE REDISTRIBUTED TO HELP GET OUR COUNTY ROADS BACK UP. 
          THAT'S 
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MY GOAL. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T, NOT PROUD NECESSARILY AT THIS, BUT I AM THE BUDGET OFFICER BY STATUTE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MY, MY GOAL. 
          SO WHETHER WE DO OR NOT, I KNOW, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO 56,000 THAT'S PUTTING IN, I NOT, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT PERIOD. 
          THAT'S PUTTING IN ALL OF THE, UH, LONGEVITY MEDICARE RETIREMENT WORKERS' COMP GROUP INSURANCE, UNEMPLOYMENT, THE $29 MILLION SALARY IN THERE, THAT FIVE 20 IS $56,000 PER EMPLOYEE. 
          THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL VARY, EVERYTHING WE HAVE. 
          YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          ON THE LONGEVITY, OUR LONGEVITY, UH, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY GOING DOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT AS, UH, WHAT, 2011 OR 2011, I GUESS SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2011. 
          AND, UH, I MEAN I BOTH, THOSE ARE NUMBERS NOW. 
          WE STILL GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING ON TO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE GRANDFATHER PEOPLE HERE, THAT NUMBER INSTEAD OF THE DECLINING EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS BEGINNING TO SAVE US SOME MONEY, STILL WELL TAKEN. 
          ELIMINATE 10. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT'S FIVE 60,000. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT, THE PERSONNEL IS WHERE THE COSTS ARE. 
          THAT'S THE BIG EXPENSE. 
          ANOTHER THING IN PRIVATE BUSINESS, UM, COMING, YOU KNOW, MY PRIVATE BUSINESS INTO THIS, WHAT STRIKES ME IS A SLAP IN FACE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY CAN'T PAY OVERTIME. 
          SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, A PRIVATE BUSINESS WILL GET, INSTEAD OF 200 EMPLOYEES, THEY'LL GET 125 OR 150 AND THAT PAYMENT 10 HOURS A WEEK OVER. 
          AND YOU REDUCE YOUR OVERHEAD TREMENDOUSLY AND ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOAL. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT, THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S THE BIGGEST FACTOR SINCE SALARY IS THE BIGGEST FACTOR. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT OVER $4 MILLION SALARY AT THE JAIL, YOU KNOW, FOR THE JAIL. 
          UM, IF YOU COULD REDUCE THAT BY ONE FOURTH BY PAYING 10 HOURS A WEEK OVERTIME TO EACH EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU REDUCE THAT TREMENDOUSLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND WE, WE'VE GOT, UH, SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING WITH. 
          KAREN AND I ARE GOING TO BE MEETING WITH OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS BECAUSE WE DO OUR PRELIMINARY STUFF. 
          IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH ONE ABOUT REUSING A PERSON IN THAT OFFICE AND YOU KNOW, YOU PICK UP ONE OR TWO HERE AND I MEAN, THEY, THEY ADD UP. 
          NOW WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME, SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO BEEF UP PLACE. 
          NOT HEAVY DUTY, BUT I MEAN THEY, WE'VE GOT SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'VE ADDED RESPONSIBILITIES TO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HELP. 
          AND SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THERE'S A BALANCE THERE. 
          BUT I, I DO THINK WE'RE GOING BE ABLE TO FIND, UH, UH, AND MOST OF THIS I THINK WILL BE ABLE TO BE HANDLED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, RETIREMENT ATTRITION OR WHATEVER. 
          WE THINK WE'RE GONNA SEVEN WE DOING WITHOUT HAVING THAT USED BOTHER ME BOTHER SEVEN LONG. 
          ANYWAY, UH, I JUST, I WANTED TO HAVE THIS ON THERE JUST AS A DISCUSSION. 
          WE ARE, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT BUDGET STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE COMING UP. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ALL THAT. 
          BUT I WOULD, UH, POINT OUT TO YOU OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS FIGURE, WE HAVE REDUCED SPENDING IN THIS COUNTY, FIVE, 4 MILLION. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NEAR WHERE WE NEED TO BE. 
          UH, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN GOING UP $4 MILLION. 
          WE'RE NO LONGER $1.6 MILLION IN THE RED. 
          SO THAT'S PLUS TOO, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE, LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM, BUT IT'S, IT'S EVERY YEAR IS A NEW YEAR. 
          AND WE ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER THAT A BUDGET IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE WE GET INTO THE BUDGET YEAR, WE ALWAYS HAVE EMERGENCIES HAPPEN. 
          WE HAVE THINGS COME UP THAT WE DIDN'T EXPECT. 
          AND UH, SO A BUDGET IS A DYNAMIC LIVING DOCUMENT. 
          IT CHANGE FROM TIME DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS. 
          AND WE COULDN'T HAVE ANY OF US WOULD'VE PREDICTED, UH, WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 31ST, MARCH THE 30TH. 
          THAT RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S THAT ARE COMING COURT THAT COST MONEY AGAINST BE READY TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA 
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JUDGE. 
          THING I'M GONNA NEED IS, I'M GONNA NEED, I KNOW THE QUESTION WILL COME UP. 
          UH, WE'LL BE ASKED BY THE BIDDERS, UH, WHAT IT COSTS TO RUN THE JAIL. 
          SO I'M GONNA HAVE SOMEONE GIVE THOSE NUMBERS ON, UH, WHEN YOU BACK OUT, YOU KNOW, THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE AND JUST THE JAIL SIDE, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING TO RUN THE JAIL. 
          WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK. 
          YEAH. 
          THE AUDITOR. 
          AND I WOULD ASSUME THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. 
          WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY NEED, JUDGE? WHAT, WHAT FIGURE IS? WELL, I'M THINKING THE VETERAN FIRST. 
          SURE. 
          THE FIRST QUESTION THEY'RE GOING TO ASK IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING TO MAINTAIN THE JAIL ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          UH, THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO KNOW THAT OFF FRONT, WHETHER THEY SAVE ANY MONEY OR NOT. 
          WE, WE CAN START WORKING WITH FIGURE ON THAT. 
          AND WHAT IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC AS YOU CAN GET ON WHAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE, THE OPERATIONS THAT DEAL WE PICK A COST YOU, SO YOU TOLD ME ALL THAT THE MAINTENANCE, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY ONGOING. 
          WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING ROUTINE. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER. 
          PRETTY GOOD NUMBERS. 
          IT JUST, THERE AGAIN, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE CUT DRY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO RETAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF STUFF. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET THAT SAVINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE GET IT EVERY, GETTING, EVERYBODY TO JAIL ARE GONNA STAY THERE, HAVE TO STAY THERE. 
          SO WE NEED KNOW THOSE PEOPLE. 
          ARE THOSE SALARIES, THE FOOD, THE WHATEVER. 
          WELL, AND AND NONE OF US WANT TO REDUCE THE SECURITY OF THE JAIL. 
          I MEAN, NOBODY WANTS TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD PUT ANYBODY IN HARM'S WAY. 
          THE EMPLOYEES OF THE JAIL, CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY. 
          I MEAN, MY BELIEF IS, IS 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE DON'T BE OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, THEY GONNA GET OUT THERE. 
          WE HAD THAT HAPPEN THE OTHER DAY DOWN HERE AT COURTHOUSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ONE OF THEM GOT OUT. 
          THEY, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE GOTTA ALSO REMEMBER THAT AS, AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE A PROCESS AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO, TO UH, UH, COME UP WITH HOPEFULLY WE'LL ALL BE BETTER FOR JUST LIKE THIS AUDIT. 
          I THINK WE ALL LEARNED SOME THINGS IN THE AUDIT TODAY TOO, THAT HELPS US MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TODAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, BUDGET PLANNING? I'VE KIND OF GIVEN YOU MY IDEAS ON THAT. 
          AS SOON AS WE CAN, WE WILL BE GETTING OUT A CALENDAR TO YOU SET ASIDE SOME DATES. 
          I KNOW SOME OF YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN, UH, A FEW DAYS, YOU KNOW, TAKING YOUR VACATION AND GONNA BE OUT POCKET. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK AROUND THOSE. 
          SO WE NEED EVERYBODY WHEN WE DO THAT. 
          BUT I WANT TO START THIS AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. 
          BUT START, UH, LOOKING THROUGH THAT AND, UH, AND THEN WE CAN ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ALWAYS CAN COME BACK AND ADJUST AS WE GO THROUGH BEFORE WE FINALLY ADOPT THE, THE FINAL BUDGET. 
          BUT WE DO NEED TO POST A TENTATIVE BUDGET NO LATER THAN, UH, I HOPE AUGUST 1ST OR RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND END THERE. 
          UH, SO WE DO HAVE ON THAT TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, I GUESS, UH, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION JUST TO JUDGE INTERRUPT A SECOND. 
          I REALLY WANNA THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I'LL GET BACK ON MY SOAPBOX. 
          I ALWAYS DO EVERY YEAR BUDGET TIME. 
          UH, I, I STILL TRYING TO FIGHT THE FIGHT HERE, BUT I THINK THAT THE, UH, PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS IS, IS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO TELL COURT WHAT THEY NEED, RIGHT? UH, I STILL ARGUE THE POINT THAT THE TAXPAYERS GET ONLINE AND LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR, UH, CURRENT TAXPAYERS. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT OUR, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT COLMAN COUNTY BUDGET. 
          FIND OUT WHAT, BE PURCHASING IT, BE OTTER'S OFFICE. 
          IT COULD BE PUBLIC WORKS, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, EASY PICK ON, THEY GOT A BUNCH OF FOLKS UP THERE. 
          BUT WE DON'T TELL THESE FOLKS WHAT WE'RE BUYING AND HOW THAT AFFECTS MY DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WHILE I'M HERE MEETING TODAY, WHICH WE HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS ALL THE TIME, WE'RE ALL AWARE WE LOVE MEAT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MY STAFF CANNOT REACT. 
          'CAUSE THE REQUEST WILL COME IN AND, UH, TO BUY SOMETHING. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY CAN BUY IT. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BEEN APPROVED. 
          THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHETHER MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR IT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A LIST LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE. 
          SO WHEN A REQUISITION COMES IN, MY DEPARTMENT, MY, MY FOLKS CAN LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, BROKE REGISTRY BOUGHT A, IT WAS A FREE, THEY'VE GOT MONEY AND THEN WE DO IT AND IT'S JUST A GRAB BAG IF YOU WOULD. 
          SO I GET BACK, I'M GONNA SPEND THE REST OF MY DAY WITH PHONE CALLS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE OR BISHOP CLERK'S OFFICE, OR SOMEBODY WANNA BUY SOMETHING 
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AND DETERMINE WHERE THEY BUY BECAUSE MY FOLKS CAN'T REACT. 
          AND I, I THINK, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT TRYING TO SET UP SOME KIND OF A FUND, I GUESS A, UH, CONTENTION FUNDS YOU WOULD, WE'RE DOWN THE ROAD, WE, MIDDLE YEAR WE HAVE MONEY TO BUY SOMETHING. 
          UH, WE HAVE MONEY SAVINGS THERE. 
          I THINK WE'RE MISSING A BOTH IF WE GET A LIST, A WISHLIST FROM THE FOLKS AND, UH, THERE AGAIN, THAT'S THOSE EASY PICK ON, UH, BUT YOU HAVE CARS, RIDE LAWNMOWERS, TRACTORS, UNIFORMS, AND THEY ASK FOR A BUDGET AND YOU PROVE WHAT, WHAT THEY, YOU BUY, WE GO, WE CHECK ON WHAT WE BOUGHT. 
          AND IF FOR A SAVINGS, THE ALTERS SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RECOUP THAT MONEY CURRENTLY. 
          UH, IT COULD BE ANY DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY ALL DO IT, UH, ING DEPART. 
          DOES IT DO, UH, IF I GET ALL THE PENCILS I SAY I'M GONNA BUY, YOU KNOW, BUT I NEED YOU, YOU GIMME A BUDGET, I BUY 'EM, BUT I'M GONNA THAT MONEY OVER. 
          I MAY BUY SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED ABOUT. 
          I JUST THINK, UH, I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT. 
          WE WONDER HERE, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO FINISH IN THE BLACK. 
          I THINK OUR GOAL SHOULD BE COMING UNDER BUDGET AND YOU CAN NEVER DO THAT IF YOU WHAT THE FOLKS WANNA BUY. 
          SO I'LL GIVE UP MY SOAPBOX ON THAT ONE. 
          UH, THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THE MANAGING THE, UH, FURNITURE EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, IT WAS A BAD IDEA OF TIME. 
          IT WAS A BAD IDEA. 
          NOW TO GIVE A POT OF MONEY AND, AND DECIDE WHO GETS WHAT. 
          IT'S NOT A PURCHASING FUNCTION TO DETERMINE WHAT DEPARTMENT GETS THAT IS Y'ALL'S FUNCTION. 
          SO, UH, I'M ALREADY TELLING THE DEPARTMENT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUY. 
          WE GOT A BID OR IS NOT CONTRACT. 
          NOW I'M GONNA TELL 'EM WHAT THEY CAN HAVE AND NOT HAVE. 
          THERE. 
          AGAIN, MY FOLKS WILL BE GETTING CALLS WHILE I'M HERE TODAY. 
          IF SOMEBODY WANT TO BUY SOMETHING OUT OUT OF THE FURNITURE EQUIPMENT LINE ITEM AND THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT CALL, THEY DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS OFFICER CAN GET BODY ARMOR. 
          THIS GUY NEEDS BULLETS, SHOTGUN. 
          SHE IN THE LIBRARY, GO BACK THERE AND DECIDE WHAT WE HAVE AND WHO, WHAT. 
          I THINK YOU GENTLEMEN NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO OPERATE. 
          AND WE JUST SET A BUDGET BASED ON THAT. 
          AND WE, AND I KEEPS, BECAUSE WE'RE BUYING SOMETHING EVERY DAY THAT NEVER WASN'T BUDGET FOR, I, I DUNNO HOW MANY I WOULD SURVIVE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS AN ARGUMENT ABOUT, UH, HOW WE EXPECT A DEPARTMENT TO KNOW WHAT THEY NEED. 
          I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT I'VE BEEN A COUNTY GOVERNMENT FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AND CITY GOVERNMENT, 27 YEARS AT THE CITY LEVEL. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT YOU NEED, THEY WILL REPLACE YOU WITH SOMEONE THAT IS SO I'LL JUST APOLOGIZE IF I'M JUST JUMPING OUT THERE. 
          BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO GET CONTROL. 
          I THINK WE'VE GONE A LONG WAY UNDER MONEY. 
          I, WE OPERATE A LOT EASIER IF WE DO WHAT THE NEEDED. 
          ONCE WE GET THAT DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEY ASKED FOR. 
          I THINK WE DO WHAT NEED TO DO. 
          NOT JUST LET, KEEP THAT YOU KEEP LOOKING AT HE TOLD ME I GONNA BACK. 
          WELL, WE COULD REPLACE SIX MONTHS AGO. 
          I HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT I WAS GONNA WELL, I THINK JACK BRINGS IT IS A GOOD POINT WAS JACK AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED HIM THE FIRST TIME WHEN WE HIRED HIM, IS THAT EVERYBODY GET THEIR WISHLIST THAT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR AND THEN JACK EVERY YEAR KNOWS LIKE, WE NEED TO HAVE A VEHICLE POSSIBLE. 
          WE DEFINITELY NEED A VEHICLE POSSIBLY YEAR THAT, UH, WHETHER IT'S ROAD BRIDGE VEHICLES, WHETHER IT'S VEHICLES FOR HIM OR THESE GUYS FROM SOUTH CAMPUS HERE EVERY DAY OR WHATEVER, HAVE THEY CHARGES OR WHATEVER, OR, OR THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE A, A GAME PLAN ON HOW LONG WE KEEP THESE VEHICLES, HOW MANY MILES THEY GET ON AND, AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT GOING BACK TO THIS IS, IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN I COME IN HERE THIS YEAR, AGAIN, HAVE TO SIT HERE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUY, DO THESE FOUR DUMP TRUCKS AGAIN. 
          I HAVE TO GET, GET WITH TERRY AND I HAVE TO GET WITH JACK. 
          JACK SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT THIS GUY COMING IN THIS YEAR, HE'S A NEW COMMISSIONER, BUT HE, UH, WHETHER IT'S JUNIOR, WHETHER IT'S ME OR WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY COMING IN NEW PLACE, THAT HE, HE KNOWS THAT THIS DEPARTMENT HERE, SHE HAS THIS ALL BUDGET ALL PLACE. 
          I TOLD THAT THIS GUY'S GOING TO HAVE 
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TO DO THIS RATHER THAN HE HAVE HIM COME IN HERE AND HAVE THIS RATION MATCH FOR US. 
          GET DOWN. 
          SO I THINK, UH, WE CAN MOVE THE SAME PART. 
          I JACK'S RIGHT ON THE MONEY. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE ABOUT THIS. 
          WELL I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT, UH, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, FEEL LIKE MY DEPARTMENT HAS FUNCTION BECAUSE, UH, OUR GOAL IS SAVING MONEY. 
          UH, AND WE MONEY IT GETS ANYWAY. 
          I'M GLAD. 
          SAY WE LAWSUITS, I THINK WE'VE EVERYBODY OUTTA TROUBLE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE, MONEY'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UH, DISCUSSION. 
          WHAT WE'RE REALLY APPROVING OTHER THAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND THE, UH, THE, UH, JAIL PRIORITIZATION. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, SECOND MR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SO MADE MR. AND SECOND, ALL FAVOR SAY THANK VERY MUCH. 
          MORNING.
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