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THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON WEDNESDAY, JULY THE THIRD, UH, 2013.
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE AND, UH, A LITTLE EARLIER THAN WHAT WE, UH, MEET.
BUT, UH, AS, JUST SO I DON'T FORGET TO SAY THIS, UH, WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING OF COMMISSIONER'S COURT NEXT FRIDAY.
THE 12TH, THE 12TH, AND THAT MEETING WILL BE IN AT EIGHT 30 AS WELL.
SO, UH, WE'LL HAVE SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE WON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE 22ND, UH, BECAUSE WE GOT PEOPLE ON VACATION AND FOR ONE THING TO ANOTHER.
SO, UH, JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE, MAKE THAT NOTICE.
AND IF YOU HAVE AN ITEM NEED ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND GO IN IN THE NEXT, UH, FEW DAYS SO WE CAN GET THAT, THAT MEETING POSTED.
UH, FIRST ITEM, WE'LL DO AWAY WITH THE, UH, NORMAL OPENING, UH, PROCEDURES WE GO THROUGH.
THE, UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY PURCHASING AGENT, UH, UH, TO NOTE, UH, OUR AUTHORITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH ARCHITECTURAL SERVICE FIRM FOR A COURT NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
AND JACK, BEFORE YOU START, UH, KIM CALLED YESTERDAY AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIND, UH, A SIMILAR, UH, DOCUMENT, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR DOCUMENT THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2000, 2005.
AND THIS WAS BY CROSSLAND AND ASSOCIATES.
UH, THEY WERE AT THAT TIME BY PART OF P PBS AND J, WHICH IS AN ENGINEERING FIRM, AND THEY DID A PRETTY THOROUGH LOOKING, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHICS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, BOTH OF THESE FIRMS ARE OUT BUSINESS, UH, NOW, AND, UH, WE TRY TO DO A HOOP SEARCH ON 'EM SO FORTH.
I MADE EACH OF YOU A, A COPY OF THAT.
AND, UH, JACK, I WANT CHEW YOUR THUNDER HERE, BUT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT, UH, IF YOU TURN TO, UH, TO LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS, I BELIEVE IT'S THE FOURTH PAGE OVER, ACTUALLY IS THE FIFTH PAGE OVER.
UH, HERE'S, UH, WHAT THEY WERE PROJECTING, UH, OR THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS WAS PROJECTING.
AND I RECALL YOUR, UH, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT 2010, WHICH WAS THE LAST CENSUS WE HAD, WE ACTUALLY, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD A POPULATION OF 103,000, THREE 50.
SO THEY ACTUALLY WERE ABOUT, UH, $9,000, $9,000, 9,000 PEOPLE LOW.
BUT ON 2015, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AWAY, THEY'RE OBJECTING GONNA BE 128,000.
UH, NOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WHAT'S TRANSPIRED OF COURSE SINCE THEN IS THE DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY AND ALL THAT.
AND SO WHETHER WE'VE REACHED THAT OR NOT, I DUNNO, I KNOW SAYS THERE'S LOTS OF, LOTS OF ACTIVITY IN 20 RIGHT NOW GOING ON.
THERE WAS, WHAT I TELL YOU, I THINK THERE WAS 50 NEW HOMES IN DEVONSHIRE, AND THOSE HOUSES ARE 200,000 ABOVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS
TRAVIS RANCH HAD 35 HOUSES THAT I COULD COUNT UNDER CONSTRUCTION OUTSIDE
BOTH THOSE WERE OUTSIDE THE CITY.
THE CITY OF ONLY LAST TIME I CHECKED HAD 200 ACTIVE BUILDING PERMITS.
IF YOU DRIVE AROUND, THERE'S ROOFTOP GOING UP EVERYWHERE.
THEY JUST APPROVED ANOTHER 135 LOTS SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN THE CITY.
SO THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT ACTIVITY IS, I THINK GERALD HAS GOT TWO GUYS THAT'S LOOKING, DOING 60 LOTS RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, UP IN THE NORTH SIDE UP THERE.
I I, HE WAS AWARE OF THAT IN THE CITY LIMITS OR OUT, UH, IN THE CITY LIMITS.
AND, UH, UH, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, I JUST WANNA BRING SOMETHING TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION UP IN MY PRECINCT UP THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THE ROCK WALLS GUN CLUB FIXING, PUT IN A BIG FANCY, UH, SITUATION UP THERE AT 2 43 AND 2 0 5 AND 1392.
THAT'S, UH, GONNA LOOK LIKE, UH, ALL, UH, CABS.
YEAH, GO GOOGLE THE ROCKWELL, UH, GUN CLUB AND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE FIXING TO DO UP THERE IN IRON WORLD UP THERE.
WELL, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF STUFF I THINK FIXING TO BREAK LOOSE.
AND IT MAY, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT GET BACK LIKE IT WAS BACK, KNOW WHEN WE WERE GROWING ALL THAT MUCH, BUT I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT, UH, THEY WERE A LITTLE LOW IN 2010.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT'S ESTIMATE WAS, AND IT MAY BE A LITTLE HIGH IN 2015, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOBODY,
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IT'S NOT AN EXACT SIZE.THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE BACK IN.
I REMEMBER WE HAD THIS STUDY, I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS.
YEAH, WELL, ANGIE, BUNCH OF ANGIE WENT THROUGH AND FOUND IT.
I MADE A COPY OF IT, JUST SO YOU HAVE IT.
I THINK THE GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT, BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS PRETTY GOOD BACK.
ALRIGHT, JACK, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
UH, JIM, A PANEL HAS PUT TOGETHER THE CISCO COUNTY JUDGE AND THEN COMMISSIONER CLARK AND MYSELF, UH, WE INTERVIEWED A GROUP OF ARCHITECTS, UH, CONCERNING THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, ACQUIRING ARCHITECT OF SERVICES TO LOOK AT A, UH, COURT'S NEED TO BUILD A COURTS ABILITY.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT'D BE ONE THAT WOULD BE WHERE THEY WOULD WORK AND DECIDE OR GIVE US A, UH, GUIDANCE ON, ON, UH, WHO SHOULD GO TO THAT TYPE OF BUILDING.
UH, UH, RENDER DRAW DRAWINGS OF A CONCEPT, CONCEPT OF A BUILDING, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET A PRICE.
UH, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
UH, WE LIKE, THERE AGAIN, WE INTERVIEWED A GROUP OF ARCHITECTS.
UH, I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO, UH, UH, TWO FINALS.
AND THOSE TWO FINALS ARE WIGGINTON H****R, JEFFREY AND HLK.
SO MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UH, ALLOW THAT JUST TO PROCEED, UH, GIVE, GIVE ME, UM, UH, PERMISSION TO NEGOTIATE.
AND OF COURSE, WITHIN THAT, WE WILL, BEFORE NEGOTIATE STARTS, WE WILL, UH, FINALIZE THAT TO FIRMS INTO, INTO THE, THE PREFERRED FIRM AND START NEGOTIATION PROCESS THAT AND, AND THE WAY AN RFP OR RFQ WORKS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE FIRST CHOSEN VENDOR.
THE SECOND, SO I THINK I FORESEE US MEETING MAYBE NEXT WEEK TO CALL THESE IN FOR ONE MORE PRESENTATION, DECIDE AT THAT POINT.
SO I'M SEEKING, UH, PERMISSION TO, UH, NEGOTIATE ONE STEP ONCE THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETE, WHAT ALL ARE THEY GONNA ANALYZE OUR, THE SIZE OF FACILITY WE NEED OR THE, I THINK IT'D BE A GROUP OF THING.
I THINK THIS REPORT WILL PROBABLY, PROBABLY GIVE THEM SOME GOOD, SOME MEDIA INFORMATION.
I THINK THE GOAL IS, AND WE'LL MEET ON THAT, UH, WOULD BE TO, UH, DECIDE WHAT GROUPS, WHAT DEPARTMENTS GO OUT THERE.
PROBABLY MEET WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT JUDGES, COUNTY COURT LAW JUDGES GET AN IDEA ON WHAT SIDE THEY THINK THEY NEED.
UH, DISTRICT CLERK, COUNTY CLERK, UH, LOOK AT THAT, WHAT THEY MAY OUT THERE, OFFICE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
JACK, UH, AND I, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REPORT THAT WE GOT BACK FROM THE FACILIT COMMITTEE, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WHAT THEY DO, UH, THE FIRST ITEM THEY HAD WAS TO, UH, THIS WAS REPORT THAT I THINK I MADE COPIES OF ALL FOR ALL Y'ALL HAVE, FIRST ITEM THEY HAD WAS TO RELOCATE THE EXISTING FOUR COURTS TO A NEW FACILITY.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WHAT EXACTLY YOU MEANS.
AND IN SOME PEOPLE, UH, BELIEVE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A NEW FACILITY, LIKE A BRAND NEW BUILDING, BUT IT MIGHT BE REMODELING AN OLDER BUILDING INTO A NEW, NEW CORE FACILITY.
AND, UH, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THESE GROUPS, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL HELP EVALUATE ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
WHAT, WHAT THE ADVANTAGES WOULD BE AND WHAT THE DISADVANTAGE, AND THEN THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY'LL BRING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UH, THE COURT WILL BE ABLE TO THROUGH THAT AND DISCUSS THAT.
SO IS THAT GOOD HEALTH DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, I THINK IS THAT THAT'S ALL OPTIONS ARE STILL ON THE TABLE.
I THINK THAT'LL, THEY'LL ENLIGHTEN US ON WHAT THE, UH, POSITIVES ARE ABOUT BEING IN ONE AREA VERSUS THE NEXT AREA.
AND I, THAT'S PART OF PROCESS TO GIVES THEIR OPINION WHAT BEST, BEST IS OUR NEEDS.
I DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF ME.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE WORDING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED? UH, MOTION TO PROCEED.
MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE, UH, UH, TWO HK TO, UH, UH, FINALIZE, UH, UH, CHOOSING THAT VENDOR, CHOOSING WHICH ONE WE PREFER AND, AND START NEGOTIATION.
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DID YOU GET THAT? I'M SORRY.I HAD AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASING AGENT TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL PHARMACY FOR NEEDS, COURTS NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
HAS IT BEEN MODIFIED? IT IT HAS, UH, DO YOU HAVE, I THINK WHAT WORKS BEEN MAYBE THE MODIFIED IS TO, UH, LIST THE NAME OF WIGINGTON H****R JEFFREY AND ONE OF THE, UH, ARCHITECTS AND KS THE OTHER, AND I BELIEVE YOU CHECK WITH JACK, I MEAN WITH, UH, JOHN ON THAT.
YOU SAID THAT HE HAD NO PROBLEM.
IT'S TOO LONG FOR ME TO REPEAT.
SO IF I JUST GET WITH HIM ON THE WORDING, YOU'LL, I'LL MAKE MOTION.
UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO, ONE QUESTION ARE, ARE THEY GOING GIVE US A, A GOOD VIEW OF EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNTY OWNS OR WE'RE JUST GONNA DO THE COURTS DEAL? IS THIS STRICTLY JUST A COURTS, THIS, THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING IT IS JUST, IT'S JUST WHERE THE COURT BE TO, TO DETERMINE THE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY THE NEEDS AND LOOK AT THE LOCATION POSSIBLE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WOULD BE, AND THEN, UH, COME UP WITH SQUARE, ESTIMATED SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, AN ESTIMATED PRICE, UH, PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF A DRAWING.
IT'S THE FIRST FIRST PHASE YOU GO THROUGH TO BUILD SOMETHING.
AND IF, IF, IF THE, UH, COURT AGREES WITH, WITH THE, UH, PRICE WHERE YOUR CITY IS GOING FORWARD, GO FORWARD.
SO WE'D STILL EVEN BE LOOKING AT LIKE THE SOUTH CAMPUS IF WE WENT IN THERE AND REMODELED IT FORWARD, WELL THEY ASSESS, ASSESS WHAT WE HAVE AT THE SAME TIME, SEE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S USABLE OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA FOCUS ON A NEW FACILITY? I THINK THEY'RE GONNA FOCUS ON WHAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON.
EVERYONE WELCOMES ANY IDEAS, ENJOY EVERYONE'S INPUT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF GET THE BALL ROLLING.
I THINK WE DO, WE HAVE A, A TIEBREAKER HERE TO TRY TO GET THIS
AND, AND MY BELIEF IS, IS THAT THEY SHOULD FOCUS ON THE AREAS THAT WE MIGHT POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO, UH, LOCATE A BUILDING ON EXISTING, UH, IN AN OR LOCATED FOUR COURTS IN AN EXISTING BUILDING TO SEE IF IT IS FEASIBLE TO DO THAT.
BUT LOOK AT THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THAT AS COMPARED TO THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF A TOTAL NEW BUILDING.
AND THE ONE THING THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS VERY CLEAR ON, THEY DID NOT MAKE THE INFORMATION ON WHERE THIS, UH, COURTS BUILDING SHOULD BE LOCATED.
SO WE COULD POSSIBLY PURCHASE THE MOSLEY BUILDING OVER HERE AND TURN IT INTO COURTS RIGHT THERE ALSO.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S, UH, WE DON'T OWN THAT BUILDING OF COURSE.
NO, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S A POSSIBILITY.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD ASSUME WE COULD, UH, ASK THEM TO LOOK AT IT POSSIBLE.
AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR THAT WE ASSESS WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT CAN BE HAD FOR A REASONABLE PRICE BEFORE WE OKAY THEM TO DESIGN A NEW BUILDING.
WELL, THERE WILL BE NO EXPENSE OF HAVING FOUR POINTS IN, IN ONE PLACE, UH, IN A BRANDED FACILITY.
I, ON THAT, SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAYS, AND REALLY GIVE US A PROFESSIONAL IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE SITTING AT.
I MEAN, UH, I KNOW OUR COMMITTEE PEOPLE HAVE WORKED HARD ON THIS AND I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO SOMETHING THAT, UH, COMPLIMENTS WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE AS COMMISSIONERS.
AND THE THING IS, THERE'S 23 OTHER ITEMS ON THE SHORT TERM LIST TOO, AND THE, WE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE COURT, AND I WOULD GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THOSE, THOSE 24 ITEMS. DO WE HAVE A COST FACTOR OR HAVE THEY GIVE US SOME GOOD, YEAH.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT MAY COST CAN'T TALK ABOUT OKAY.
WITH THE ARCHITECTS AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
THAT'S WHAT'S, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WERE THEY CHARGES TO GIVE US? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WAY THIS WORKS ON THE RP PROCESS.
WE, WE HAVE, BEFORE WE NARROW IT DOWN TO TWO, I WAS HOPING WE'D BE THE ONE, BUT WE'RE AT TWO AT THIS POINT, ONCE WE DETERMINE, WE THINK OFFERS THE BEST, UH, CREDENTIAL SOLUTION, RIGHT.
RE THE BEST PRODUCT, RIGHT? THEN WHAT ON THE PRICE, AND I, I, I'VE URGE THE COURT TO PROBABLY GIVE US INFORMATION ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
YOU GOT AREAS THAT YOU WANNA LOOK AT.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP IT DOWN TO A FEW, OBVIOUSLY THE MORE THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT, THE HIGHER THE COST GONNA BE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IF THERE'S TWO OR THREE IDEAS WHERE I'M JUST GIVING MY OPINION THAT'S, Y'ALL HAVE A FINAL DECISION, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING, UH, THEN YOU COME BACK TO US WITH THE BID PRICE AND WE WOULD FINALIZE IT, WE COME BACK WITH A, UH, YES.
A, A CONTRACT PRICE TO PROVIDE SERVICE AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL THEN I THINK THE NEXT ITEM IS TO, UH, JUDGE TO SIGN A CONTRACT.
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COMING TO AGREEMENT WITH, BUT TO BE CLEAR, SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING.WHICHEVER FIRM, ULTIMATELY
UH, SO WE CAN MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE VISITING WITH THEM OR, OR, YEAH, I'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF ONE, YOU KNOW, THAT I'LL PASS IT ALONG OBVIOUSLY.
AND, AND I GUESS WE CAN PROBABLY GIVE THEM A COPY OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE, BUT I THINK ONCE WE'VE TURNED THROUGH THAT VENDOR IS PROBABLY HAVE A WORKSHOP.
UH, SO, SO THERE COULD BE INCIDENT ON YEAH, I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY MISUNDERSTANDING THAT ANYBODY'S TRYING TO COME IN AND, AND DO SOMETHING UNDER THE TABLE OR, YOU KNOW, THIS, I WANT IT TO BE UP WIDE OPEN SO EVERYBODY FULLY UNDERSTANDS.
THEN AFTER WE GET INFORMATION AS A COMMISSIONER COURT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO VOTE THE WAY WE FEEL LIKE'S THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED.
AND I KNOW THAT WORK WORKSHOP KIND OF, WHEN YOU MENTIONED IT SOUND LIKE IT'S SLOWING THINGS DOWN, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE ALL PARTIES HERE TO BE TELL THE FIRM SELECTED ON WHAT THEY VIEW AS OPTIONS, RIGHT? AND SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A CLEAR COST, CLEAR, UH, IDEA ON WHAT THEIR GOAL IS.
AND MAYBE WE DECIDE WHO THE BEST FIRM IS AND MAYBE THEY'LL WORKSHOP THAT POINT.
THEY, WE TELL 'EM WHAT WE OWE.
THAT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS.
YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, WE WANT, THIS IS A BIG STEP FOR OUR COUNTY AND WHATEVER WE DO IS GOING TO COST MONEY.
ONE OPTION MAY COST MORE MONEY THAN ANOTHER OPTION, BUT IT STILL IS.
I MEAN, MONEY'S GONNA BE INVOLVED IN IT.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO DO THE BEST THAT WE MAKE THE BEST INFORMED, EDUCATED DECISION EVER CAN.
SO, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND, UH, THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD HEALTH DISCUSSION.
I APPRECIATE, UH, FOLKS, UH, BEING INVOLVED IN IT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? WOULD YOU READ THE MOTION BEFORE I SECOND
WOULD YOU READ THE MOTION JACK? I SWEAR YOU PUT THAT ON ME.
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY PURCHASING AGENT TO NEGOTIATE WITH, WITH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS FOR A COURSE NEED ASSESSMENT, UH, PENDING SELECTION OF ONE OF THE TWO FIRMS, WI H****R, JEFFREY, MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT I WAS SAYING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? EVERYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE VOTING? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, AND THE NEXT ITEM, JACK, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION, JUDGE? THIS IS, UH, JUST KIND OF, I GUESS PART TWO, MAY, PART THREE OF THIS.
THAT WOULD BE JUST TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN A CONTRACT.
ONCE, UM, WE HAVE COME, ONCE WE HAVE SELECTED A VENDOR AND NEGOTIATED WHICH ONE HAVE THIS ON HERE, WE MOVE IT.
UH, MAYBE OUR, OUR MEETINGS WERE LIMITED.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE OUR NEXT WEEK, BUT DUE THE HOLIDAYS AND THEN THE SCHEDULE, WE WANT TO GET ALL THIS ON THERE AT ONE TIME.
SO WE'RE JUST, UH, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN AUTHORIZED JUDGE TO SIGN A CONTRACT.
UH, IF WE HAVE FULFILLED ALL THE NEEDS DISCUSSION ABOUT, I'M GOING DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY GO THROUGH THIS FIRST PROCESS.
JUDGE IT ALSO BE PENDING APPROVAL BY COUNSEL.
YEAH, I HAVE THE JUDGE TO SIGN, TO DO, TO DO ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT.
HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S GOING BE ALL OFFICER GONNA BE ON THE TABLE AND DISCUSS IT WITH EVERYBODY.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET INTO A, YOU KNOW, BE SOMEBODY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING UNDER THE TABLE.
WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, OR I OR SOMEBODY REALLY TRYING TO ROUND THIS THROUGH, I WANT THIS TO BE A CLEAR, OPEN DISCUSSION.
IN FACT, I INSIST ON IT BEING THAT WAY.
SO WHEN WE DO GO TO THE VOTERS, UH, ASSUMING WE DO THAT, PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT WE'VE VETTED ALL THIS AND TRIED TO WORK THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS AS PROFESSIONALLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND I JUST THINK THAT'S WHAT THE VOTERS EXPECT US TO DO.
THAT WOULD BE SIGNED AFTER THE WORKSHOP.
THAT BE AFTER, THAT'S EVEN AFTER THEY COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL COST.
AND I AGREE WITH WHAT THE JUDGE SAID.
I THINK IT COULD BE A HARD TIME PASSING ANYTHING IF WE DIDN'T HAVE, IF EVERYBODY WASN'T.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND, AND I
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WASN'T AROUND THEN, UH, BUT THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS, IF YOU RECALL THE DETAILS, THE COURT, UH, ATTEMPTED, UH, UH, TO DO THIS WITH CO CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT OPPOSED THAT AND GOT A PETITION UP OF 5% OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS THAT DEVOTED IN THE PREVIOUS ELECTION OR SOMETHING.
AND WE ALL WENT TO THE POLLS AND IT WAS VOTED DOWN.
UH, AND PART OF THE REASON IT WAS VOTED DOWN, I THINK IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LACK OF INFORMATION, MAYBE A LACK OF VETTING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
UH, AND JUST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE VOTE THEIR CONSCIOUS, IF THEY DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN WELL THOUGHT OUT, WHATEVER, THEN THEY VOTED AGAINST IT.
I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO THAT SCENARIO.
IF PEOPLE VOTE AGAINST IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT I WANT THEM TO HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THEY CAN TO MAKE A INTELLIGENT THOUGHT OUT VOTE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BASIC FREEDOMS IS THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
AND I DO THINK THE PUBLIC AT SOME POINT IN TIME HAS TO VOTE ON THIS.
AND THEN IF THEY VOTE DOWN, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, WE'LL GO BACK, DO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN COUNTY FOR YEARS THAT'S TRY TO MAKE IT WORK SOMEHOW.
AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.
I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE BE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT AFTER WORKSHOPPING AND AFTER THE RFP, UH, WE AUTHORIZE HIM TO SIGN THOSE DOCUMENTS AFTER ALL THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED AND EVERYTHING'S GOOD WITH EVERYBODY.
I KNOW THAT'S A PITIFUL WAY TO WORD A MOTION, BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT.
I BASICALLY HAVE AFTER WORKSHOP AND RFP AND I KNOW JACK SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PENDING DISTRICT ATTORNEY APPROVAL.
I DIDN'T SAY DISTRICT ATTORNEY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL COUNCIL APPROVAL TO, TO LOOK AT YEAH.
LIKE, LIKE TOM SAID, RIGHT? YOU WRITE IT BACK TO ME.
UM, THERE CAME TO BE CONSIDERED A MOTION TO APPROVE AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT FOR ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES RELATING TO A COURT'S NEEDS ASSESSMENT AFTER WORKSHOP AND RFP COUNT PENDING APPROVAL BY DISTRICT ATTORNEY ATTORNEY.
WELL, RFP IS THAT NEED TO BE IN THERE, DISCUSS FORMALLY OUR RFP.
I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS THREE OR FOUR, FIVE WEEK PROCESS.
IS THAT CORRECT, JEFF? I'M SORRY? I SAID ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A THREE OR FOUR WEEK PROCESS? DO ONE THE R EITHER RF, RFQ OR, OR WHAT HAVE WE ALREADY DONE? WOULD THAT QUALIFY FOR THE, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, DONE THAT, THAT REQUIREMENT.
WAS IT MAILED OUT? BUT WE'VE DONE A RFQ IN MY MIND, HAVING BROUGHT HIM IN AND INTERVIEWED BASED ON QUALIFICATION CU REMOVED THE R-F-R-F-P CARD THEN MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE OLD SAYING ABOUT, UH, LEGISLATION? IT'S KIND OF LIKE MAKING SAUSAGE SAUSAGE.
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT GOES INTO IT.
FINISHED PRODUCT OR THIS IS KIND OF PART WHAT THROUGH THE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE QUOTE, BUT IT'S, I SECOND.
COMMISSIONER SHANE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH GENTLEMEN.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
AND AGAIN, WE WILL BE MEETING NEXT, UH, FRIDAY, FRIDAY WEEK AND WE WILL START THAT MEETING AT EIGHT 30.
JUST, UH, SO YOU HAVE ITEM YOU THINK YOU NEED ON THE AGENDA, UH, GO AHEAD AND GET THEM ON, YOU KNOW, UH, TODAY OR WE'LL GO ON FRIDAY AS WELL SO WE CAN GET THOSE IN SO WE CAN GET THOSE DONE.
WE WON'T BE AGAIN UNTIL THE 22ND.
AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE OUT, UH, THAT, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING BE, UH, ON VACATION FOR WELCOME TO COME OPEN, UH, COME FORWARD.
THESE COMMITTEES INTENTION WAS NOT TO HAVE THESE LISTED ITEMS. THESE ARE NOT NECESSARY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE CORRECT.
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ARE JUST A NUMBER OF, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE NEW COUNTY COURT FACILITY WAS NOT A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.IT WAS JUST AN ITEM THAT FOR SUGGESTION.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THIS AS A PRIORITY.
ALL OF THOSE ARE PRIORITIES AS FAR AS WE WERE CONCERNED, BUT THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE WRITTEN ON THIS STATEMENT, UH, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE ITEM.
I THINK THE REST OF US ON THE COMMITTEE WILL AGREE WITH THAT.
I TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THEM AND THE, THE COURT WAS NOT OF NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, IT WAS JUST AN ITEM THAT WAS LISTED FOR NUMBER ONE.
SO, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT OTHER ITEMS THERE THAT DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WHICH WE ARE ADDRESSED EVEN AS WE SPEAK, BUT WE HAD THE COMMITTEE GROUP WANTING TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT WASN'T OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
AND WHO'S HERE WITH YOU, SIR? YOU'RE MS. SCHOENBERGER.
AND SO, AND TANYA AND TANYA IS HERE AND HE'S SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF.
AND MIKE, I BELIEVE I I CAN SAY THAT I KNOW MR. DAVIS, TANYA IS PROBABLY IN AGREEMENT WITH ME.
I KNOW MR. SHOOKS IN AGREEMENT WITH ME AND MR. BED SHOWED, MIGHT WATCH WITH MR. SHOOK AGAIN, HE'S NOT HERE, BUT I DISCUSSED IT WITH MR. BAKER.
HE WE CALLED HIM AT THE SAME TIME THEN.
WELL, AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I'M SORRY IT DIDN'T COME UP.
UH, I SHOULD, WE SHOULDA HAD A SIGN IN SHEET, BUT LEMME JUST GIVE HER A THAT THAT'S FINE.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE WEREN'T LABELED WELL HERE.
THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS SAID, YEAH, THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
THAT WASN'T WAY OUR, OKAY, WELL THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENT ON THAT, SO THANK YOU.
LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THESE OUT DEPOSITION HERE.
UH, THE SECOND ONE IS THE, UH, COMPLETE THE, UH, ANNEX OF THE SECOND FLOOR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, THAT IS ONGOING.
UH, AND, UH, WE'RE WAITING ON FINAL ARCHITECTURAL CITY OF
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT CORRECT? I, I ASSUME FOR ASSUMING NOW THAT, THAT USUALLY MEANS, IS THAT THE PLANS ARE WITH THE CITY OF CLAND NOW TO, UH, SO WE PRELIMINARY, UH, COMMON.
WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO BILL PERMIT.
AND THEN I, IT NOT THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO THERE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, BUT, AND THAT WAS THE FIRM WE WERE USING, UH, KEN HILL AND WHATEVER THE NAME OF HIS FIRM WAS FROM, UH, N-A-C-A-C, UH, WHICH WILL TAKE CARE OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, RELOCATE THE SOUTH CAMPUS OFFICES TO THE UPSTAIRS.
THEY WILL LOCATE MOST OF THE OFFICES.
IT WON'T MOVE ALL OF THEM, BUT IT'LL MOVE.
UH, CERTAINLY MOST OF THEM DOWN HERE.
UH, PROVIDE PRIVATE OFFICES FOR HR PERSONNEL.
I THINK WE'VE, UH, PRETTY WELL DONE THAT RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, WHERE WE ARE, UH, WITH MOVING LAURIE'S OPERATION AROUND DOWN THERE ON WHETHER YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE, UH, PROVIDE YOU SEATING FOR PRECINCT FOUR AND PRECINCT THREE SUB COURTHOUSE.
BUT FOUR HAS BEEN DONE AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL DO.
UH, BILL AND USED STORAGE SHED FOR PRECINCT FOUR.
UH, TOM, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING YOU, UH, TALKED ABOUT.
UH, REBUILD OR REPAIR OR BUILD NEW FENCING IN ALL COUNTY PRECINCTS.
I KNOW JIMMY, I KNOW YOU'VE UPGRADED YOURS.
UH, WE, YOU KNOW, GOT IT CLEARED AT THE CITY COFFMAN.
SO, AND I'LL COMPLETE THE LIST HERE JUST SO WE KIND OF ALWAYS, WE AREN'T MAKING PROGRESS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT LISTED AS ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, REPAIR, I'M SORRY, PROVIDE SECURITY, UH, CAMERAS WITH ADEQUATE VIDEO RECORDING IN ALL COUNTY THEMSELVES, ACQUIRING SECURITY.
UH, OF COURSE YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE GRANT WE RECEIVED FROM THE STATE.
THAT IS A PROJECT THAT IS ONGOING AND WILL HOPEFULLY SOON BE, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT I BELIEVE BY OCTOBER 1ST.
SO THAT WILL BE GOING, THAT PRIMARILY TAKES CARE OF THE COURTHOUSE AND THE ANNEX AND THE PARKING AREA AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT WILL BE, UH, THAT WILL BE ONGOING.
WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT SECURITY FOR, UH, SUB COURTHOUSE.
US MARSHAL'S OFFICE HAS BEEN AROUND AND ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT.
AND THOSE, THOSE WILL BE, UH, ONGOING AS WELL.
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UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONDUCT ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS ON BATHROOM DOORS, PANIC BUGS, HOUSEKEEPING, ROOF LEAKS, ET CETERA.I'VE PRETTY MUCH GOT MINE COVERED DOWN THERE.
I LIKE LITTLE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
OTHERWISE, WE PRETTY MUCH BEEN OVER EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN GO OVER OURSELVES.
WE HAVE A TWO MAN MAINTENANCE CREW PLUS THE INMATES THAT WE HAVE HELP US AND THEY, THEY MADE PROGRESS, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE GOT A TON OF WORK.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
DO WE HAVE PEOPLE AT THE, AT THE JAIL THAT LISTED AS MAINTENANCE? YES.
ARE THEY STRICTLY FOR THE JAIL OR THEY THEY HAVE BEEN USED PRIMARILY AT THE JAIL, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR THEY BE USED ELSEWHERE.
YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN MOVED UP TO, TO HELP FIX SOME OF THESE FACILITIES ON THE LINING UPGRADE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING USE, UH, SOME OF THEM POSSIBLY WE COULD USE THOSE ON, UH, SOME OF THE PAINTING OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY BUILDINGS AND STUFF, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN ON SOME, I KNOW WE USE THEM DOWN AT THE COURTHOUSE.
MAYBE WE PRECINCT ONE BARN UP ON THE LIST.
SINCE THIS IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM, I SUGGESTED WE DON'T DISCUSS IT.
I THINK YOU COULD EDUCATE US ON IT, BUT DISCUSS IT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE VENUE TO DO THAT WITH.
WELL, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL, I'LL JUST READ IT THROUGH YOU TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
UH, COMBINED CENTRALIZED STORAGE, UH, I'M NOT SURE WE'VE DONE ANYTHING ON THAT AT THIS POINT.
WE HAVE, UH, CANCEL THE LEASE, UH, AT THE OLD BUILDING THAT, UH, TANYA AT THE TAX OFFICE WHERE WE HAD THE, UH, VOTING EQUIPMENT, UH, UH, WAS STORED.
IT HAS NOW BEEN MOVED TO, UH, UH, TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THE LEASE WITH THE MASONIC LODGE.
UH, I, UH, DISCUSSED THAT WITH JOHN, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
IN FACT, UH, FIND A NEW PLACE FOR VOTING IN LIEU OF PRECINCT FOUR SUBCAP COURTHOUSE.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE ON THAT.
UH, PROVIDE NEW FLOOR COVERING IN THE TAROT TAX SUB COURTHOUSE.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE TAX OFFICE.
UH, RELOCATE INDIGENT HEALTHCARE TO THE SOUTH CAMPUS.
I REALLY NEED TO, UH, FIND OUT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THE, UH, THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT, BUT WE'LL, UH, WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT THE THINKING WAS ON THAT FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UH, REPAIR THE PARKING LOT AT THE PRECINCT.
I, WE'VE DONE ANYTHING ON THAT.
UH, PROVIDE SECURITY FENCING FOR SHERIFF RADIO COMMUNICATION TOWERS LOCATED TO THE FLOOR FARM.
UH, THE COUNTERTOPS IN THE TAX OFFICE, THE ANNEX BUILDING, WE, UH, HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'VE, UH, UH, NOT, UH, NOT DONE THAT YET.
KIND OF PENDING WHAT WE DO UPSTAIRS AND THE ENTIRE, WHAT WE DO UPSTAIRS, WE'LL, TO SOME DEGREE WHAT WE DO DOWNSTAIRS, UH, REPAIR THE HVAC IN THE COURTHOUSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S, UH, THAT IS A, A NEED.
WE'VE GOT, UH, 60-YEAR-OLD EQUIPMENT OVER THERE THAT WE'RE STILL USING.
THAT'S, UH, PROBABLY NOT, UH, FUNCTIONAL IN SOME AREAS.
A AADA, A COMPLIANCE AND ALL RENOVATION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
WE'VE WORKED ON SOME OF THOSE.
I'M 21 RELOCATED PAROLE OFFICE AND ACTUALLY THAT'S A PROBATION OFFICE IN THE CURRENT PRECINCT.
WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A PLACE TO RELOCATE BEFORE WE DO THAT.
SO THAT'LL BE PART OF, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE STUDY THAT WE'RE GONNA ENTER INTO.
ACTUALLY IT WAS THE PAROLE OFFICER.
WAS IT THE PAROLE? PROBATION? YEAH, PROBATION HAS A WHOLE BIG WING DOWN THERE.
IT WAS THE ONE PAROLE OFFICER.
I THINK PROBATION IS PRETTY WELL PACKED OUT TOO.
YES, I BELIEVE, I THINK THEY, THEY HAD A LOT OF SPACES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NICELY SET UP.
IT WAS THE PAROLE, PAROLE OFFICE.
UH, PROVIDE SECURE DOORS IN ALL COUNTY FACILITIES.
UH, POSSIBLE BUZZ AND ACCESS SYSTEM.
THAT'S A PROJECT THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH WHENEVER WE DO UPGRADE THE SECURITY, UH, SALE.
ALL UNUSED OR UNUSUAL FACILITIES AND PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST PINPOINTING THOSE AREAS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN DECLARE, UH, UH, SURPLUS.
AND THEN, UH, PROVIDE PERMANENT SECURITY AT THE COURTHOUSE.
AND A ANEX, WELL, WE HAVE PERMANENT SECURITY AT THE COURTHOUSE, AND I BELIEVE NOW WE HAVE SECURITY HERE IN THE ANNEX BUILDING AS WELL, MEANING A UNIFORMED, UH, OFFICER THEN LONG TERM, UH, ADDRESSES SECURITY OUR FAVOR, THE VESTIBULE AT THE COURTHOUSE.
ALL COUNTY BARNES NEED TO BE, UH, RENOVATED OR RELOCATED.
ALSO, COURTHOUSES NEED TO BE RENOVATED OR RELOCATED.
INSTALL METAL DETECTORS IN ALL BUILDINGS THAT REQUIRE SECURITY.
UH, WE THOUGHT WE HAD A CHANCE TO GET SOME, UH, SURPLUS
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METAL DETECTORS, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, UH, STATE OR, I DON'T KNOW.THERE WERE SOME, SOME PROGRAM THAT WE TRIED TO GET IN, UM, INVOLVED IN, BUT WE WERE, THEY'D ALREADY GONE THE TIME WE GOT THERE.
THEY WERE BRAND NEW IN THE BOX METAL DETECTORS ON BATTALION WALKED THROUGH.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
UH, ITEM NUMBER, THE NEXT BULLET ITEM NUMBER, I GUESS FIVE TO BUY ONE CENTRAL MAINTENANCE SHOP FOR ALL PRECINCTS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I VERY MUCH WANT US TO DO AND PERHAPS ONE OF THE EXISTING COUNTY BARNS, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, HERE AT KAMAN COULD BE USED FOR THAT.
UH, TALK ABOUT RELOCATING THE PRECINCT ONE BARN.
AND I KNOW JIMMY, YOU'RE, UH, WORKING ON LOCATIONS FOR THAT AND EXPAND THE LIBRARY OF THE CHILDREN'S AREA.
WE'VE DONE DONE NOTHING ON THAT.
THAT'S JUST A QUICK UPDATE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON ALL OF THESE THINGS JUST AS FAST AS WE CAN AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT WITH, UH, IN A VERY TIGHT TIMEFRAME.
WE'RE DOING IT WITH OUR MAINTENANCE GUYS AND WITH THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WITH SOME OF YOUR ROAD BRIDGE CREWS.
THEY'VE BEEN, UH, VERY HELPFUL ON HELPING US DO SOME THINGS AS WELL.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THAT GIVES US AN UPDATE TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO HAVE A MOTION, MR. MANNING.
ALL IN FAVOR? SAY A, THOSE POLLS HAVE A.