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          THIS MORNING WE'LL DISPENSE, UH, WITH THE REGULAR OPENING, UH, CEREMONIES. 
          AND THE MAIN PURPOSE OF OUR MEETING TODAY IS MY OFFICIAL PURPOSE AS FAR AS TAKING ANY ACTION WOULD TO, UH, BE THE CANVAS, THE, UH, STATE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ELECTION AND THE COUNTY BOND ELECTION. 
          THAT WAS LAST WEEK. 
          UH, TANYA IS OUT OF TOWN, AND SO, UH, SHE ASKED, UH, THAT WE PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO THE, UH, IS THE CANVAS REPORT. 
          AND, UH, IT SHOWS, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT CONSTITUTIONAL, UH, UH, AMENDMENTS. 
          AND, UH, EVERY ONE OF 'EM, I BELIEVE, UH, PASSED IN COFFMAN COUNTY PROPOSITION SIX. 
          THE ONE, YOU KNOW, WATER THING REALLY, REALLY PASSED. 
          I NOTICED IN THE PAPER WHERE, AND THAT'S, AND THEN THE, UH, SECOND PAGE IS THE, UH, AND TANYA WILL NEED TO SIGN THIS, SO WE'LL APPROVE IT BASED ON HER SIGNATURE, UH, SUBJECT TO HER SIGNING OFF. 
          THIS CAME FROM HER OFFICE. 
          I THINK WHAT HAPPENED THERE WAS, UH, UH, ONE MAILIN VOTE THAT CAME IN A LITTLE LATER AFTER SHE HAD ALREADY SIGNED IT. 
          SO IT'S NOW, BUT, SO WE GET THIS THING CERTIFIED AND THE STATE WILL, WILL BE IN A TIME MANNER COME DO THIS. 
          YOU THE EARLY VOTE FOR, UH, PROPOSITION ONE AND THE ELECTION DAY VOTES, UH, WHERE IT PASSED, UH, 39 5 15 74, AND THEN PROPOSITION TWO VOTES TOTAL 2281 AND 2336. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S ABOUT A 55 VOL MARGIN, I GUESS THERE. 
          AND THEN ON THE COUNTY PROPOSITION THEY HAVE WHERE THEY HAD THEIR WATER ELECTION OVERWHELMING PASSED THERE, HUNDRED 31 TO 20, THAT WAS A BIG, BIG VOTE ATTEMPT. 
          THEN YOU SEE THE CITY OF OAKRIDGE ELECTION THERE AND VOTES THERE. 
          THAT ATTORNEY, I BELIEVE THEY HAD THREE POSITIONS. 
          IS THAT I UNDERSTOOD. 
          THAT WAS OPEN. 
          SO THE TOP THREE ROTATORS, RECEIVER, , UH, YOU NOTICE THE PROPOSITIONS THAT THERE'S, UH, 50, UH, TWO PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T VOTE ON PROPOSITION TWO? YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS. 
          UH, I DUNNO WHETHER THAT HAPPENS. 
          DON'T, DON'T LOOK ALL THE DOWN. 
          UH, BUT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT HE WAS THAT MUCH, UH, UNDER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE WERE NO PEACHES IN THE ELECTION. 
          AND I'M SURE THERE WERE SOME, SOME MINOR THINGS, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT UNLESS ANY OF YOU, THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT DID A GOOD JOB. 
          THE ONLY THING I HEARD WAS, UH, THAT SPLITTING THAT FLOAT BETWEEN KE AND MAYBANK. 
          YEAH, I HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. 
          THEY DIDN'T, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT AT ALL. 
          SO I'M SURE YOU, YOU PROBABLY HEARD MORE THAN ANYBODY OH YEAH. 
          A COUPLE IN THE, UH, PRETTY FRANK CONVERSATION IN, IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE VOTING BOXES NEED TO BE FUNDED. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, UH, WELL, IT WAS A DIFFERENCE TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT, A LOT OF HEAT AND MADE SOME PEOPLE MAD. 
          AND, AND IT MAY, MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, A BETTER CHANCE FOR, FOR SOME OF THESE, UH, PROPOSITIONS THAT, THAT FAILED. 
          IT MAY HAVE BEEN A BETTER CHANCE IF, IF, UH, IF ALL THE BOXES WOULD'VE BEEN FUNDED. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, IT WAS AN INCONVENIENCE FOR, AND OF COURSE KNOW MOST PEOPLE VOTED ON EARLY VOTED ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T JUST A FEW VOTED ON ELECTION DAY. 
          SO DO YOU NEED A MOTION 
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TO ACCEPT I, I NEED A MO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT ANY, ANY OF THIS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          DID SEEMED LIKE IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE TO GET THE, THE RESULTS BACK. 
          WELL, WHAT THEY DID NORMALLY HAPPENS THAT, UH, COME IN AND DO EARLY UNTIL SEVEN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NORMALLY DO THOSE EARLIER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN MAIL. 
          THAT WAS MAIL. 
          I MEAN, NOT THIRD, BUT BECAUSE THEY KNEW HAD THE, UH, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD THE, UH, JUDGE LEWIS' COURTROOM OPEN, YOU KNOW, UP AND EVERYTHING JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME BACK. 
          BUT THERE WASN'T ANYBODY SHOW UP. 
          AND SO I DOING PEOPLE GET ON THE COMPUTER. 
          I LIKE IT USED TO BE GATHERED AROUND TAILGATE ALL KINDS OF OTHER ACTIVITIES. 
          WELL, IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S PEOPLE YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE PERSONALITIES INVOLVED THAT NOT BE THE CASE. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE CANVAS REPORT, UH, SUBJECT TO, UH, THE SIGNATURE OF THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR, UH, TOMMY IFF. 
          SO, MAY I HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. SHANE. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A OPPOSED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANGIE. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE THIS ALL BACK TO YOU. 
          I DON'T AWAY YOU BLAME ME. 
          CO LOSING IT AND I BLAME YOU FOR YES. 
          ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE, UH, AND, UH, JOHN'S NOT HERE. 
          I DUNNO WHETHER HE'S GONNA BE HERE OR NOT. 
          I'M NOT. 
          YOU MAY THINK, UH, NINE 30. 
          BUT THIS IS, UH, AN ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LAST WEEK, AND WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TODAY. 
          WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          BUT, UH, ADAM TOO IS I'VE ASKED LAURIE TO BE HERE TO DISCUSS THE WORK NOW POLICY UPDATES AND S SALARY COMPARISON, UH, STUDY. 
          AND, UH, LAURIE WAS, YOU WERE AT A MEETING LAST WEEK, TAG MEETING AND YOU A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR ALL THE DISCUSSION. 
          UH, BUT WHAT LED TO THIS IS THE ISSUE ABOUT, UH, WHEN, UH, PEOPLE GIVE SALARY INCREASE DURING, UH, A YEAR, UH, A RAISE DURING THE, AND UH, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, OR I'VE, I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SHOULD HAVE AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY WITH THEIR BUDGET AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND I CONTINUE TO THAT. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ISSUES I THINK, THAT ARE INVOLVED ACCORDING WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, ABOUT HOW WE GIVE RAISES OR IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY GIVE A RAISE AFTER THE BUDGET'S BEEN ADOPTED. 
          AND WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN, I THINK, OFF AND ON AND OVER THE YEARS. 
          AND, UH, AND I KNOW YOU, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS, BUT, UH, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE YOUR PERSONNEL POLICY UPDATES FIRST AND THEN KIND OF TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE SALARY COMPARISON STUDY. 
          AND, UH, AND AGAIN, UH, I WAS HOPING JOHN WOULD BE HERE, BUT IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE COULD ADOPT SOME SORT OF AN OR, UH, ORDER THIS YEAR THAT COMMISSIONER COURT GIVING, UH, SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          AND I, I, JOHN, I BELIEVE, INDICATED HE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY US BEING ABLE TO HAVE A STANDING ORDER UNTIL WE ADOPT SOME SORT OF FORMAL, UH, SALARY, UH, PLAN IF, IF IN FACT WE DO THAT. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND KIND OF GIVING US AN UPDATE, LET'S DO THE FIRST POLICY UPDATES FIRST ON ANOTHER COUPLE ISSUES. 
          YEAH, THE, THERE'S ONLY TWO, UM, THERE IN THE VACATION POLICY. 
          THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCREPANCY ON, AT THE TOP WHERE IT SAYS YEARS WORKED AND VACATION TIME. 
          THAT SHOWS THAT YOU EARN 80 HOURS, WHICH IS 6.67 HOURS PER MONTH. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S BEEN IN THERE. 
          THE 6.67, I GUESS THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. 
          UM, BUT AT THE BOTTOM, WHEN YOU PAY A TERMINATION 
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AND I HIGHLIGHTED IT, IT SAYS THAT THEY RECEIVE PAY FOR ALL UNUSED VACATION. 
          SO IF THEY QUIT OR RETIRE ONE MONTH BEFORE THEIR ANNIVERSARY, UM, ARE THEY GETTING CREDIT FOR THOSE 11 MONTHS OF VACATION THAT THEY'VE EARNED AT 6.62 HOURS A MONTH OR 10 HOURS A MONTH? OR THEY NOT, AND THE WAY THE POLICY IS NOW, IT SAYS THAT IT IS JUST FOR UN UNUSED VACATION, MEANING WHATEVER'S ON THE BOOKS AT THAT TIME OF TERMINATION. 
          BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN CONSISTENT IN THE PAST. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE SOME HAVE RECEIVED PAY, UM, THAT THEY'VE ACCRUED. 
          SOME HAS JUST USED UN UNUSED. 
          SO THERE'S NO, THERE HASN'T, THERE'S NOT REALLY A FORMALITY AS TO WHAT'S BEING DONE. 
          UM, SINCE IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, THERE HAS BEEN A FORMALITY. 
          AND, UM, I HAD KIND OF SPOKE WITH THE JUDGE AND WE JUST KIND OF, FROM THAT POINT WE WERE PAYING, UM, ACCRUED BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WAY THE POLICY READS IS ACCRUED. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE EARNING ACCRUED VACATION FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ALTHOUGH IT SAYS THAT WE ONLY PAY FOR ON YOU. 
          SO, UM, JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON Y'ALL'S OPINION OF HOW THAT SHOULD BE DONE. 
          ANY COMMENTS? EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE, THE KIND OF THE ISSUE THAT, THAT LAURA'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INTERPRET AND BE CONSISTENT. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE VACATION TIME IS NOT PAID UNTIL THE ANNIVERSARY DAY. 
          SO IF THEY WORK 11 MONTHS AND THEN DECIDE TO QUIT OR RETIRE, IF THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, UH, THEN THE LAST YEAR'S VACATION WILL BE PAID AT THE RATE OF 6.67. 
          WELL, NO, WHATEVER CATEGORY THEY'RE IN, WHATEVER. 
          SO THEY'VE BEEN HERE 18 YEARS, THEY'LL BE IN A 13.33 CATEGORY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I GUESS THE ISSUE IS DO WE PAY 'EM ANNUALLY OR MONTHLY? YEAH. 
          WELL WE, THEY DON'T ACCRUE VACATION TIME UNTIL THEIR ANNIVERSARY. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS ARE THEY ACCRUING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO USE IT UNTIL THEIR ANNIVERSARY? OR ARE THEY NOT ACCRUING THROUGH THE YEAR? THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT COULD GET COMPLICATED. 
          EXACTLY. 
          UM, UNLESS IT WAS AT THE ANNIVERSARY. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE THE CLEANEST, SIMPLEST WAY TO WELL, MOST OF THE LONG TERM GUYS THAT WORK FOR ME, IN OTHER WORDS, SAY THEIR ANNIVERSARY DATE IS SEPTEMBER 1ST. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL, THEY, THEY WAIT UNTIL AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST TO TAKE THE VACATION WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE RIGHT. 
          WELL TAKING IT. 
          THAT'S IF THEY'RE STILL EMPLOYED, THERE'S NO ARGUMENT. 
          LIKE THERE'S, IT'S CUT AND DRY. 
          YOU GET YOUR VACATION ON YOUR VACATION DAY, YOU GET TO, YOU DON'T GET TO USE IT TILL AFTER VACATION DAY. 
          IT'S UPON TERMINATION THAT THERE IS A GRAY AREA. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND SO YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE THAT'LL, THEY'LL STAY UNTIL THE DAY AFTER THEIR ANNIVERSARY. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA PAY OUT ALL OF THEIR THREE WEEKS VACATION THAT THEY JUST EARNED ON TOP OF THE WEEK THAT THEY ALREADY HAD AND THEIR COMP TIME THAT THEY HAD. 
          BUT IF THEY WENT SIX MONTHS EARLIER WHEN THEY WERE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE, THEY COULD HAVE ACCRUED, THEY COULD HAVE GOT, COULD GET CREDIT FOR THAT SIX MONTHS PRIOR AND THEN WE'D SAVE SIX MONTHS OF VACATION TIME. 
          SO THEY'RE STAYING AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE DAY AFTER THEIR ANNIVERSARY DAY. 
          SO THEN WELL IF THEY'RE STAYING, THEY'VE EARNED IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, SOME PEOPLE, THEY, IF THEY, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE THEM IF THEY CAN, IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LOSE ANY BENEFIT. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE THINKING THAT THEY'RE LOSING BENEFIT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT VACATION TIME EARNED AND THEY WON'T UNLESS THEY STATE ANNIVERSARY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT, WELL THAT'S Y'ALL. 
          SO IF YOUR GUY QUITS OR RETIRES IN AUGUST, IN HIS ANNIVERSARY OF SEPTEMBER 1ST RIGHT. 
          THEN HE'S GONNA LOSE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          HE LOSE A WEEK'S VACATION OR WHATEVER CATEGORY HE FITS IN WHATEVER HOURS THAT IS. 
          BUT IF THEY GO A WEEK, I MEAN GO A DAY OVER, THEN WE'RE GOING PAY THEM FOR A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR. 
          JUST EARN YEAH. 
          THEY JUST EARNED, THEY DON'T GET PAID UNTIL THEY'VE EARNED IT THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          IF THEY, IF YOUR GUY STAYS UNTIL OCTOBER, HE DOES NOT ACCRUE ANOTHER YEAR AS A VACATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT GETS, HE GETS HIS ALL, ALL VACATION FROM LAST YEAR FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT ONLY SEEMS FAIR. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THEY'VE EARNED IT. 
          IF THEY STAYED, THEY STAY UNTIL ONE DAY PASSED THEIR ANN, IF, IF THEY STAY ONE DAY PAST THEIR ANNIVERSARY, THEY DON'T ACCUMULATE ANOTHER YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          WOULD WE JUST TAKE THAT 6.67 HOURS A MONTH OFF AND JUST HAVE THE HOURS ON? WELL, THAT'S ALL THE ISSUE. 
          THAT'D FINE. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU YEAH, WE JUST, RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE, UM, WE'RE PAYING, WE'RE PAYING FOR ACCRUED TIME. 
          SO IF SOMEONE LEAVES, WE'RE PAYING THEM FOR THAT TIME. 
          'CAUSE THEY'VE EARNED THAT TIME. 
          THEY'VE EARNED, THEY'VE BEEN HERE HERE 11 MONTHS. 
          SO THEY'VE RECRUITED THAT OR THEY'VE EARNED THAT 11 MONTHS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ON THE BOOKS UNTIL THEIR ANNIVERSARY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S HOW IT'S LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING IS Y'ALL DON'T 
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WANT IT TO LOOK AT THAT NOW. 
          YOU DO NOT EARN VACATION TIME UNTIL YOUR VACATION DAY IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING UNTIL YOUR ANNIVERSARY. 
          ANNIVERSARY. 
          SORRY, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING. 
          SO SYSTEM , THAT'S BEEN THE POLICY? WELL, NO IT HASN'T. 
          THEY MONTHLY, THEY ACCRUE IT MONTHLY. 
          THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO USE IT UNTIL THEIR ANNIVERSARY DATE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY QUITS ONE MONTH BEFORE THEIR, THEIR ANNIVERSARY DATE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA LOSE 11 MONTHS OF THE WAY Y'ALL TALKING VACATION. 
          YES. 
          AS OF RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT. 
          I THINK THEY'VE, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN THERE 11 MONTHS AND THEY DECIDE TO QUIT OR RETIRE. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING PAID FOR 11 MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT IS, IT'S EARNED NOT FAIR BECAUSE THEY'VE EARNED IT. 
          THEY'VE BEEN THERE 11 MONTHS. 
          SO WHAT YOU CAN'T VOTE, BUT WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS. 
          WHAT'S THE, UH, JACK, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, BUT LET'S SAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE AN APPOINTED INDIVIDUAL AND YOU HAVE, YOU'RE APPOINTED EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          OKAY? AND THAT LAST YEAR YOU'RE HERE, YOU WORKED 11 YEARS, 3, 6, 4 DAYS, WHATEVER, YOU BURN VACATION. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT REAPPOINTED, THEN YOU WOULDN'T GET PAID, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU BURNED. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, SO IT'S KIND OF UNFAIR FOR SOMEONE'S BEEN HERE LIKE ONE DAY MAKING THEIR YEAR TIME NOT GET THE VACATION. 
          YEAH. 
          MOST PLACES PAY AS YOU EARN IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          YOU LEAVE, YOU'VE EARN THREE DAYS, YOU GET PAID THREE DAYS WORKING, EARN 12 DAYS, YOU GET PAID. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THAT'S THE WAY IT OUGHT BE. 
          IF THEY'RE HERE, THEY OUGHT GET PAID. 
          BUT ME, LIKE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF NO, MOST PEOPLE SAY, MOST PEOPLE, IT'S LIKE THEIR ANNIVERSARY DATE BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE ON THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT SOME PEOPLE RUN INTO LIKE THEIR BIRTHDAY AND THEY WANT TO RETIRE WHEN THEY'RE 60 AND THEN, BUT THEY STILL GOT SIX MONTHS TO FINISH OUT THEIR YEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, SO THAT CAN IT, IT'S VERY FEW, BUT IT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT AND WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES. 
          YES. 
          IN TRYING TO ADMINISTER DO WE PAY IT? DO WE NOT PAY IT? BUT THE ENCY IS, IS THAT WE'LL PAY, I MEAN EVERYBODY PER MONTH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S KIND OF NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU WILL COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 25TH, I BELIEVE IT'LL BE FIXED. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S A MATTER OF THAT ONE WORD IN THE POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND JUST COME BACK WITH A REVISION TO THE POLICY. 
          THE UNUSED IS YES, BECAUSE IT, IT WILL BE ACCRUED, NOT UNUSED. 
          SO THE POLICY WILL TAKE, ALL THE EMPLOYEES SHALL RECEIVE PAY FOR ALL VACATION UP TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED OF THIS POLICY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          INSTEAD OF SAYING UNUSED. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT WILL BE ACCRUED 'CAUSE THEY'RE ACCRUING IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, BUT THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT UNTIL THEY ANNIVERSARY DATE, BUT THEY'RE ACCRUING IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS. 
          AND NOW IT IS NOT UNTIL AFTER THEY HAVE TO BE HERE AT LEAST ONE YEAR BEFORE ANY OF THIS APPLIES. 
          WILL, WILL THAT COVER THE GUY JACK MADE THE EXAMPLE THAT UP? YES. 
          JUST TAKING WORD UNUSED OUT THERE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE NEXT THING I HAVE IS THAT, UM, WE HAD HAD SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST AND I HAD TALKED TO TAC, UM, AND WE HAVE NO POLICY, UM, TALKING ABOUT, UM, FOR INVESTIGATIVE, FOR DISCIPLINARY SUSPENSION. 
          SO IT WAS KIND OF A, A GRAY AREA IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAD SOMEONE THAT, UM, HAD TO BE SUSPENDED AND IT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WHAT DO WE DO? HOW DO WE HANDLE IT? AND SO TACK HAD SENT ME THIS THAT I GIVEN YOU ALL A COPY OF AS A SAMPLE OF A POLICY THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT, UM, TO KIND OF JUST SAYING IF THE, IF THE TOP ONE SAYS IF IT'S INVESTIGATED, WE COULD GIVE 'EM SO MANY DAYS OFF WITH PAY AND THEN IT KICKS INTO UNPAID AND DISCIPLINARY, WE COULD, UM, SUSPEND THEM WITHOUT PAY. 
          AND IT GIVES US A KIND OF A GUIDELINE. 
          IT CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS VARY DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE SITUATION, BUT WE JUST HAVE NOTHING IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST A SAMPLE FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT AND THINK ABOUT, I GUESS UNFORTUNATELY, OR MAYBE IT'S BY DESIGN AND I DIDN'T GET A COPY. 
          OH, I SAID IT ON, IT'S JUST HIDDEN. 
          NO, I HAVEN'T. 
          WHAT IS THE NORMAL? 
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UM, I'VE SEEN VARIES. 
          UM, WHEN I TALKED WITH TAC THEY KIND OF RECOMMENDED LIKE THREE TO FIVE DAYS. 
          UM, WHEN YOU DO A, LIKE AN INVESTIGATIVE SUSPENSION, UM, YOU CAN DO JUST A MINIMUM AND THEN IT CAN, I MEAN IT CAN VARY. 
          IT CAN, IT CAN BE A RANGE AS WELL IF WE WANT IT TO BE A RANGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, JUST DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MORE, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SUSPEND THEM WITH PAY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          'CAUSE THEN IT'S LIKE A PAID VACATION FOR A BAD JUDGMENT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, FOR AN INVESTIGATIVE SUSPENSION, I WOULD THINK FIVE WORKING DAYS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THREE, YOU KNOW, UP TO FIVE WORKING DAYS THAT THAT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DO A INVESTIGATION OF, OF, UH, WHATEVER, ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING? WOULDN'T YOU, WOULDN'T YOU THINK SHERIFF? NO. 
          WHAT WHAT WE DO, IF, IF WE HAVE A, A DISCIPLINARY MATTER COME UP IN THE PERSON THAT WE'RE GOING BE INVESTIGATING, IF THEY'RE GOING, IT'S GONNA BE DETRIMENTAL THEM TO BE THERE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM, PUT THEM ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, WE FINISH THAT. 
          UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, WHETHER IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE IN CONFLICT WITH OTHER EMPLOYEES AND EVERYTHING. 
          WE LIVE THEM ON THE PAYROLL AND WORKING UNTIL WE GET THAT INVESTIGATION DONE. 
          AND WE HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS OF IT IN TERMS OF INVESTIGATIVE, UH, IF PEOPLE TRAINED IN THAT. 
          AND WE TRY TO GET THAT DONE, UH, IN THE VERY SHORTEST POSSIBLE TIME. 
          UH, BUT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS PUT PEOPLE THAT ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION ON THEM THAT PAID ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT. 
          NOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE SEXUAL HARASSMENT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM OUT OF THE, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENT, THAT WORK ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE THE, A GREEN PERSON IS THERE TOO. 
          BUT AS FAR AS JUST, UH, SAYS SOME TECHNICAL VIOLATION OF A RULE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOING BE ONGOING THAT WE MIGHT, UH, JUST, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE THAT YOU'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION. 
          THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THIS ALLEGATION OF. 
          WE USUALLY GIVE THEM THREE DAYS, SEVEN, TWO HOURS. 
          YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT, THAT IN WRITING. 
          AND THEN WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE DISCIPLINARY BOARD, WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PEER DISCIPLINARY BOARD OR IF THE SUPERVISOR, UH, CAN MAKE THAT, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL, UH, WHICH HAS TO COME UP THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND BE, BE, UH, UH, APPROVED ALL THE WAY UP. 
          SO WE TRY NOT TO OBVIOUSLY LEAVE PEOPLE ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING THEM A PAID VACATION ACTUALLY FOR VIOLATING A RULE. 
          SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO IT ESPECIALLY ON, ON, UH, LIKE I SAY ON SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHERE YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THAT OFFENDED PARTY BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY YOU HAVE IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          BUT WE TRY TO DO A VERY TIMELY MANNER. 
          UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A SET DATE BECAUSE IT, SOME OF THIS STUFF CAN GET VERY INVOLVED AND WE DO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT  THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO GET SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          BUT WE, WE TRY TO KEEP THOSE, UH, PAID ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE TANK VERY MINIMAL. 
          BUT I HAVEN'T READ YET. 
          SO THE, THE SENSE IN THERE THAT'S SLIPPED LIKE IT, UH, THE NUMBER OF DAYS, IF IT CAN BE COMPLETED, THEY'RE GONE. 
          THEY LEAVE. 
          THAT'S SATISFACTORY. 
          LEAVE. 
          THINK WE GONNA DO RAISE, SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. 
          TAB, IF THERE SOMEBODY WORKING THERE, THE COUNTY'S UNABLE TO COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATION, THEN WHAT WE MOVE TO UNPAID STATUS, UH, WOULD, I GUESS WOULD THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE OF DOING THEIR INVESTIGATING ON THERE, IF THEY DRAG IT OUT, THE GUY BASICALLY NOT FIRED, BUT HE'S NOT GETTING PAID. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT FAIR TO THE EMPLOYEE TO, WAS THAT NUMBER OF DAYS? SOME THINGS IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE LONGER TO INVESTIGATE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS YOU CAN'T DO IN TWO OR THREE DAYS AND SOME THINGS IT MAY TAKE 10 DAYS OR WHATEVER. 
          IT, IT MIGHT BE BETTER IF YOU PUT YOURSELF FLEXIBILITY IN THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT THEY MAY BE PUT ON THAT BECAUSE IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE LIABILITY ON WHAT YOU MAY NEED A COUPLE DAYS. 
          YOU KNOW. 
          SO IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN AND YOU FEEL THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE FOUND, UH, IN VIOLATION, 
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THEN, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO PUNISH THEM BY GIVING THEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU THREE MORE DAYS TO DOCK HIM. 
          THREE DAYS OF YOU'RE GOING EXONERATE THEM, PUT FAIR TO EMPLOYER ALSO, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT BE DONE IN THE WORKPLACE AND AT NORTH FAIR COUNTY ALSO TO THE EMPLOYER. 
          WELL, I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO PUT MYSELF IN A POSITION TO, TO FIGURE IF SOMEBODY IN ROAD BRIDGE DID SOMETHING GRIEVANCE THAT NEEDED TO BE SUSPENDED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO SAY A RUN A PICKUP OFF A COVER? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WAS FID WITH HER CELL PHONE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE? YOU FIGURE THAT OUT SHOULDN'T TAKE, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO JUST SEND 'EM HOME THAT PAY ANYWAY, LORI? I MEAN, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE DID, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF, IF WE HAVE A SOMEONE THAT DOES SOMETHING IN THE JAIL AND EMPLOYEE THAT WE, THAT SUPERVISOR CAN SEND THEM HOME AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ORDERED TO BE BACK IN IN THE OFFICE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF'S OFFICE OR MY OFFICE. 
          WELL, DEPENDING ON THE TO TO REMOVE THEM OUT OF THERE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, A FORMAL DISCIPLINARY ACTION WRITTEN OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT, UH, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, IT'S HARD TO MAKE A REAL HARD AND FAST RULE. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO EVERY TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A HUMAN BEING. 
          YEAH. 
          CIRCUMSTANCE ARE DIFFERENT EVERY TIME. 
          IT'S TOUGH TO DO, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ONE THING, IF IT'S SOMEBODY THAT THAT'S WORKING FOR US, THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD EMPLOYEE AND THEY WE'RE GONNA BRING THEM BACK, WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HURT THE MORALE ANYMORE THAN POSSIBLE. 
          YOU PEOPLE GET ACCUSED OF THINGS OR THINGS LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY DID WASN'T THAT WAY WHEN YOU INVESTIGATED. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS THAT WE DO IS TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN OUR STANDARD AND, AND MORALE AND DISCIPLINE, BUT ALSO BE FAIR TO EMPLOYEE. 
          LAURA, HOW OFTEN HAS THIS COME UP? SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE JUST HAD THE ONE THAT WE'VE HAD TO, I MEAN, THEY DEAL WITH IT ON THEIR OWN. 
          LIKE IT'S KIND OF SEPARATE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT THE ONE THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, I JUST HAVE HAVE HAD ONE AND IT WAS A MESS. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS HANDLED PROPERLY, BUT, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT THIS UP. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS WAS THE ONE WHERE THE, YEAH, TALKING ABOUT THE ONE IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT PRECINCT TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DID THE DEAL WITH THE TAX OFFICER WITH AN EMPLOYEE STEALING, I DUNNO HOW THEY HANDLED THAT WHILE WE WERE DOING THAT INVESTIGATION. 
          I WASN'T HERE, THAT WASN'T OUR, OUR CALL ON THAT. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICER. 
          THAT'S THE ONE THAT, THAT I'M THINKING THE ONE I THINK OF WHERE WE ACTUALLY WERE DOING, YOU KNOW, A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, THAT PERSON, IF THEY WEREN'T REMOVED, THEY SURELY SHOULD HAVE THEIR DUTY CHANGED WHERE THEY COULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO . 
          AND THAT KIND OF INVESTIGATION COULD TAKE SEVERAL DAYS, MAYBE WEEKS IT TOOK, WE HAD TO GO BACK. 
          THAT WAS A, A SITUATION THAT HAD APPROVED OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          SO IT TOOK US TO DO THE WHOLE INVESTIGATION, TOOK US SOME TIME AND WE CREATED THOSE RECORDS. 
          BUT, UH, YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          UH, SO IT DIDN'T CONCERN ME WHAT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER AGENCY, ANOTHER DEPART. 
          SO, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO GET 'EM, WE WOULD GET 'EM AWAY FROM, FROM THAT. 
          IF IT'S MAYBE A TECHNICAL VIOLATION OF RULE VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DEPARTMENT ELECTED OFFICIAL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT, THAT DETERMINATION. 
          I THINK WE'VE SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT WE REALLY GUARD AGAINST GIVING SOMEBODY A PAID ATION THAT HURTS THE, SO WE ALL HAVE AUTHORITY TO DISPUTE. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHAT DETERMINATION OR WITH PAY, WITHOUT PAYING WHATEVER. 
          WELL, SINCE IN MOST, UH, IN MOST DEPARTMENTS, UH, CONTRARY TO THE SHERIFF'S, UH, POLICY OF CHAIN OF COMMAND, IN OTHER WORDS, 
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THERE'S NOT REALLY A, A CHAIN OF COMMAND IN THE RUBBER BRIDGE. 
          I MEAN, YOU GOT YOUR SUPERVISOR AND YOU AND THAT'S IT. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S A CHAIN OF COMMAND. 
          IT'S A SHORT CHAIN. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON TO TAKE ACCIDENT, UH, QUITE QUICKLY. 
          I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I I'D BE ABLE TO, I THINK, AND THEN AS FAR AS INVESTIGATION GO, SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN ACCIDENT OR SOME OF THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GOTTA GO THROUGH PAPERWORK AND STUFF, WELL, WE GOTTA ALLOW, LIKE IN THE CASE THE SHERIFF'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE GOTTA ALLOW TIME FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. 
          ARE WE TALKING LIKE CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS? UM, EITHER OR. 
          THAT'S WHY IT SAYS INVESTIGATE OR DISCIPLINARY EITHER OR. 
          I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. 
          I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT ADDRESSES YOU ALL. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING. 
          I MEAN, I, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE THAT I, IT JUST . 
          WELL, I THOUGHT THERE WAS, I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A POLICY, LIKE IF SOMEBODY, UH, WAS SAY GUILTY OF INSUBORDINATION OR, OR REFUSED TO TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I ASSUME THAT YOU COULD SEND 'EM HOME FOR THREE DAYS WITHOUT PAY. 
          JUST LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? IS THAT, WELL, YOU CAN, IT'S JUST, IS THAT CORRECT, JIM? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL DID BEFORE? JUST ON THE CONSTABLE, YOU RUN INTO THE, WE'VE BEEN IN TROUBLE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE, AND SO SOME PEOPLE WOULD GET SUSPENDED FOR TWO WEEKS OF PAY AND THEY BE PAID. 
          WELL, I THAT POINT A LOT DETAIL. 
          I, WE, A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD A, AN EMPLOYEE THAT WAS, UH, CAUGHT IN A COMPROMISING POSITION AND THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT WAS OVER, THAT EMPLOYEE REFUSED TO, I THINK HE WAS SUSPENDED. 
          WE PAID FOR A COUPLE WEEKS AND, UH, BUT HE, WE PAID HIM, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, GONNA PAY THE VACATION, YOU KNOW, AND I BELIEVE AND HELPED, BUT I BELIEVE THAT PARTICULAR ELECTED OFFICIAL DIDN'T FEEL LIKE HE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO SUSPEND WITHOUT PAY OR IS THAT RIGHT? AND HE, HE WAS JUST ALMOST LIKE, WELL, I'M KIND OF BEDER. 
          I DUNNO WHAT TO DO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND MOST OF YOU THINK SITUATION, SO THIS WOULD GIVE SOMEBODY THAT MAY WANT SOME, UH, ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING, THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. 
          UH, I MEAN, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE AUTHORITY, I THINK. 
          BUT I MEAN, IF IT CLARIFIES, IT PUTS TEETH IN. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST WHAT WAS GIVEN FROM, WE CAN CHANGE THIS UP HOWEVER WE WANT. 
          I CAN MAKE IT VERY GENERAL, NOT THE SPECIFIC DAYS, BUT, UM, THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. 
          THIS IS JUST WHAT I WAS GIVING IN  MY CONCERN, IF YOU HAVE A POLICY TO POLICY TO THIS REALLY DONE SOMETHING WRONG, I SAID, YOU NEED TO GO HOLD THREE OR FOUR DAYS, BUT NOW I'M GOING HAVE TO INVESTIGATE FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS BEFORE CITY LOAN. 
          NO, IT'S A, FOR DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS, LIKE IF THEY VIOLATED A POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA FIRE 'EM, BUT YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM THREE DAYS UNPAID. 
          THAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THAT. 
          HERE'S, WELL THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT DEALS THAT THE INVESTIGATIVE SUSPENSION AND THEN THE DISCIPLINARY SUSPENSION, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK, I WOULD THINK THE THREE DAYS WITHOUT PAY EXAMPLE, BECAUSE UP TO, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD GIVE 'EM ONE DAY, TWO DAYS OR THREE DAYS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PAY, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD FELT LIKE NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          SOME THE SITUATIONS THEY GET THEIR ATTENTION. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DEFINITELY GETS THEIR ATTENTION. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE THING YOU COULD DO IS, IS SEND THEM HOME AND, AND, AND, UH, HAVE A, YOU KNOW, I GUESS KIND OF A LIMBO TYPE THING. 
          AND THEN IF THEY'RE, IF YOU FIND THEM, SAY YOU FIND THAT THEY VIOLATED SOME POLICY OR RULE FOR THE FORM OF TEARING UP A VEHICLE OR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE, THEN YOU COULD MAKE THAT 
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WITHOUT, IF THEY'RE EXONERATED YOU, IF YOU THOUGHT YOU NEEDED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEN YOU HAVE TO DO IT PRETTY QUICK TO GET TO PAYROLL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS YOU CAN HANDLE IT. 
          BUT IT HAS, MOST STUFF HAS TO BE HANDLED, SO ON A TIMELY BASIS. 
          AND I ESPECIALLY YOU DEALING WITH SOMEBODY WANTS MONEY. 
          WELL, LEMME ASK YOU THIS, MARK. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A HARD FACT RECOMMENDATION ON THIS? OR DO, DO YOU THINK, UH, YOU THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO LET YOU AND MAYBE, UH, SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, A FEW DEPARTMENT HEADS AND A COUPLE OF ELECTED OFFICIALS GO THROUGH THIS? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU I MEAN, I OVER ANYTHING I LIKE, LIKE I SAID, I JUST, UM, IN THE ONE INSTANCE THAT I'VE DEALT WITH, THERE WAS NO DIRECTION AND RIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THIS BROUGHT. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT A LOT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          I JUST, IF WE WANT HAVE SOMETHING GENERIC, THAT'S FINE TOO. 
          NOTHING SPECIFIC. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. 
          YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO CHECK ANY OTHER COUNTIES LIKE SOMEBODY AROUND US IF THEY HAVE ANY? I HAVE NOT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          I ONLY TALKED TO TAC ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          COME TAC MM-HMM . 
          THE LAST SENTENCE IN THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH, UH, FOR DISCIPLINARY, DISCIPLINARY SUSPENSION SAYS AFTER BLANK DAYS, THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE WILL EITHER BE RETURNED TO THEIR POSITION OR TERMINATED. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, YOU GIVE 'EM THREE DAYS OFF WITHOUT PAY AND YOU GOT THREE DAYS TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND WHETHER YOU, WHETHER THE THE INFRACTION WAS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO, FOR THEM TO BE FIRED OR, OR NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH TO BE FRATERNITY OF POSITION. 
          AND I MEAN, I AGREE. 
          I LIKE IF, I MEAN, DIFFERENT SITUATIONS CAN BE DIFFERENT AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT A NUMBER ON IT TO, YOU KNOW, POINT THE JUDICIAL DEPARTMENT HEADS ON LIKE, YOU'VE ONLY GOT THREE DAYS. 
          I MEAN THAT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT IS NECESSARY. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAID MAYBE A RANGE WOULD BE OKAY. 
          OR JUST LEAVING IT JUST A GENERIC SENTENCE. 
          YOU MAY WITHOUT PAY OR SOMETHING NEEDS SOMETHING IN THERE POINT THAT AFTER THE INVESTIGATION, MAY DEPARTMENT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, SANCTION FOR THREE DAYS WITHOUT PAY OR TO GIVE THEM THE FULL PAY AFTER THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE. 
          OR TERMIN RIGHT AT THE DISCRETION. 
          YEAH, AT THE DISCRETION. 
          IF THEY CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANTED TO, IF THE, UH, UH, THE OFFENSE YOU THE SEVERITY OF, OF THE OFFENSE, WHATEVER, IT'S LIKE IT'S WORRIED YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY BROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE THING YOU COULD DO IS ALSO PUT A KIND OF A REDEEMING THING THERE THAT, THAT THIS POLICY MAY BE, UH, OFFERED OR VERY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE ELECTED DEPARTMENT HEAD BECAUSE THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY THEN TO DECIDE, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO SEND HIM HOME OR, AND ONCE YOU GET AN INVESTIGATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA SUSPEND IT FOR TWO DAYS OR THREE DAYS OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THAT THE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS TO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, FLEXIBILITY IN THERE BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT. 
          YOU, NONE OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE, THE VIOLATIONS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          THE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHAT THE GUY WAS THINKING, WHAT HE WAS DOING, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEE, IF YOU PUT A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SAVING CLAUSE IN THERE THAT IT CAN BEED OR OVERRIDDEN BY OFFICIAL, YOUR DISCRETION STILL GIVE YOU A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU, YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          LET MAKE A SUGGESTION, LAURA, BEFORE WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 25TH, WHY DON'T YOU CONVENE A COMMITTEE THAT YOU CALL TOGETHER AND INCLUDE THAT ONE OR TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A SIX OR EIGHT MEMBER COMMITTEE AND TRY TO FER IT THROUGH THIS AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A POLICY THAT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY. 
          BECAUSE I, I MEAN, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD TO ME. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST THE, THE NUMBER OF DAYS AND THINGS THAT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? YOU COULD JUST CONVENE THAT AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE TWO OF THE I SO IT'D BE BETTER IF YOU COULD, COULD KEEP IT. 
          BUT, UH, WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, SO WE CAN KIND OF GET THIS DONE. 
          I, I DO THINK WE NEED SOMETHING IN OUR, IN OUR POLICY. 
          JUST, 
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I'LL LET YOU BE THE, THE JUDGE OF WHO ALL NEEDS TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          PEOPLE MAY VOLUNTEER AND DO IF YOU WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL DO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE NEXT, UH, ITEM IS, AS FAR AS LAURIE IS CONCERNED, IS THE, UH, SALARY COMPENSATION, UH, I'M NOT SORRY, SALARY COMPARISON STUDY. 
          AND AS PART OF THAT STUDY, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, UH, JOB DESCRIPTIONS NOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO, I THINK ON, AND UH, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS DISCUSSING EARLIER ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE RAISES THAT ARE GIVEN AFTER BUDGET IS, AND JOHN WILL BE HERE AROUND 10. 
          UH, WE MAY WANNA COME BACK AND DISCUSS THIS. 
          UH, BUT I DO, I MEAN THIS IS JUST A CAN IS, UH, BUT WE DO, WE DON'T WANNA VIOLATE THE LAW EITHER. 
          I MEAN, THE LAW'S PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN DO. 
          AND I MEAN, THE RAISES HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY OTHER, UH, BUT I, THERE'S, THERE'S BOUND TO BE ANOTHER WAY WE ADDRESS THIS AND UH, THAT'S WHAT UH, I'D LIKE FOR JOHN TO DO SOME ADVICE ON. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN THIS, I MEAN WE'LL JUST BE, UH, YEAH, IT'S JUST, EVEN THOUGH THE LAW SAYS THAT THERE'S BEEN TO BE A BETTER WAY OF  TODAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? UM, I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OTHER COUNTIES AND, UM, I THINK MY OPINION, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN VERSUS A, THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS WHICH I'M WORKING ON, UM, GOT QUITE A FEW OF THEM DONE. 
          BUT, UM, THEY, A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVE DONE WHAT THEY CALL A SALARY COMPARISON SURVEY WHERE THEY, UM, MOST OF 'EM HIRE AN OUTSIDE COMPANY AND THEY COME IN AND THEY LOOK AT OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS, THEY TALK TO THE EMPLOYEES AND THEY KIND OF FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR PAY AND THEY COMPARABLE COUNTIES SURROUNDING COUNTIES IN OUR AREA. 
          AND THEN THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHO'S BEING PAID WHAT IF THEY'RE BEING UNDERPAID, OVERPAID, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND THEN THAT CREATES THE KIND OF A SCALE FOR US THAT GIVES US A SCALE OF WHERE, WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE CAN GO. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE WHOLE, UM, PAY SCALE THAT SOME COUNTIES HAVE, LIKE PAY SCALES WHERE YOU CAN LIKE MOVE UP TO DIFFERENT CLERK ONE, CLERK TWO, CLERK THREE, AND YOU LIKE MOVE UP KIND OF THING. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IN THAT ASPECT. 
          AND A LOT, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF THE, UM, COUNTIES AND A LOT OF THE COUNTIES, UM, ARE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COMPANY. 
          SO I'VE TALKED TO A BUNCH OF THEM THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO GO IN AND LIKE WORK TOGETHER AND EVERYBODY KIND OF LIKE, IF WE PICKED COUNTIES THAT IT WERE OUR SIZE, UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S BUDGETS ARE AWFUL. 
          SO NOBODY HAD THE MONEY TO, TO DO THESE KINDS OF COMPARISONS, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          I KNOW ROCKVILLE, I'VE GOT, UM,  COUNTY IS KIND OF, THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE WELCOME, BUT INSIDE THEY'RE PRETTY, UM, PREPARED INSIDE AND THEY'VE GOT A REALLY AWESOME LIKE CHART AND SCALE FOR EVERYBODY AND IT'S REALLY AWESOME. 
          NOW THAT'S GONNA BE A CITY CHANGE. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR PROJECT, BUT PROBABLY WORTH AT LEAST TO SEE IF IT TO, WHAT'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IF THERE'S A RANGE IN BETWEEN THERE FOR EACH POSITION? YEAH, BECAUSE YOU GONNA HAVE A, AN EMPLOYEE THAT DOES AN  JOB AS AN EMPLOYEE THAT JUST THERE, YOU KNOW, TAKING UP SPACE AND THEY MAY BE DOING THE SAME JOB. 
          THEY DON'T NEED TO BE GETTING THE SAME THING. 
          MAY HAVE THE SAME JOB DESCRIPTIONS, SAME JOB DESCRIPTION, HAD THE SAME BASE OF ONE EACH. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EACH JOB DESCRIPTION HAD A RANGE IN BETWEEN THERE, HIGH AND LOW. 
          AND THEN IT'D BE UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHATEVER TO BRING THAT. 
          BUT ABLE BUDGET HOW MUCH MONEY'S IN THERE. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT JUST SAYS SALARY. 
          YOU WANT TELL YOUR SALARIES. 
          DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE WORK ON ONE? WE DID. 
          YOU AND I DID THE JOB DESCRIPTION YEARS AGO AND THE SALARY RANGE FOR EACH JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THE WHOLE RB PEOPLE BRIDGE. 
          I THINK WE DID IT. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOT IT IN MY DESK. 
          YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT IN. 
          YEAH, I KNOW I LEFT IT. 
          I THOUGHT I DID. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN GOING BY. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT'S GOOD. 
          ADOPTED, ADOPTED DEAL, BUT APPARENTLY IT'S NOT. 
          YEAH, RAY AND I NO DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD 
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STARTING POINT. 
          I MEAN IT, IT LOOKS GOOD. 
          LINES EVERYTHING UP. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A RANGE OF, I FORGET WHAT IT IS. 
          IS IT, IS IT LIKE $4,200 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIKE 17 TO 19,000 ANNUAL OR WHATEVER? YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS. 
          I'M GLAD YOU KEPT A COPY BECAUSE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN USING. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT'S GOOD. 
          MADE THAT PART OF THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING SALARIES RIGHT THEN. 
          THEN YOU'D HAVE SOME, YOU COULD HAVE SOME CONTROL. 
          YEAH. 
          TOM, YOU MIGHT HAVE SENT US ALL A COPY OF THAT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          THERE'S NO QUALIFICATIONS FOR COMMISSIONER JUDGE WAS THERE, JIM  WE THAT BREATHING AND ABLE TO ANSWER THE PHONE THAT DO THAT IS THAT, I MAY GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 
          I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD, GOOD STARTING PLACE. 
          GOOD LOOKING DEAL. 
          AND I LIKE AN IDEA ABOUT TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE AT CANADA BECAUSE THE SALARY SURVEY COULD COST YOU A HUNDRED GRAND OR BETTER NOT. 
          YEAH, WE CAN'T HIRE CONSULTANTS TO EVERY LITTLE THING. 
          YOU WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL BECAUSE UH, I WAS AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THE SALARY SURVEY COME OUT AND EVERYBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING A LOT MORE MONEY THAN THEY WERE MAKING PART OF THE SURVEY. 
          NOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY THERE TO DO THAT WITH, BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE. 
          WE'RE TALKING. 
          WELL I JUST TALKED TO AT THE, I, THEY, ONE OF THE COUNTIES THAT I WAS TALKING TO, THEY, THEY JUST FINISHED ONE AND SHE SAID IT WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY WELL. 
          EVERYBODY WAS PRETTY COMPARABLE TO WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAKING. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE GOT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF RAISE. 
          THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT GOT DEMOTED AND THEY WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. 
          WELL UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THEY WERE MAKING WAY TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, THEY ENDED UP ELIMINATING A DEPARTMENT THAT WASN'T NECESSARY THAT WAS JUST THERE DOING THAT THING AND THEY WERE PRETTY UPSET ABOUT IT. 
          BUT WE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HIRED INTO A POSITION THAT'S GETTING THE SAME SALARY THAT THE PERSON RETIRED FROM SOME TYPE OF GUIDELINES. 
          MAYBE WE CAN START, CAN YOU SEND US A COPY OF THE COUNTY? YEAH, SURE CAN. 
          AND THEN THIS IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME. 
          WE'LL NEED TO GET THIS, GET OTHER, GET OTHER ELECTRIC OFFICIALS IN DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THIS WOULD ALL BE SOMETHING YOU'D WANNA DO AT THE BEGINNING OF A NEW BUDGET HERE. 
          IT MAY TAKE THAT LONG TO FINALIZE, BUT IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING TEMPORARILY, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF POLICY THAT JOHN CAN PUT TOGETHER FOR US, UH, THAT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S STRAIGHT FOR ALL. 
          YEAH, IT IS. 
          AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, GO JUST EVERY MEETING WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THERE. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO CONDUCT. 
          NO, I, JIM, YEARS AGO, TECH ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY PUT OUT A SALARY RANGE AND THEY GAVE IT FOR EVERY COUNTY. 
          UH, I REMEMBER LOOKING AT IT TWO OR THREE TIMES. 
          IT'S A, IT'S, I MEAN I HAVE SOMETHING FROM TAX, I HAVE SOMETHING FROM TAX, BUT IT'S JUST FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          OFFICIALS. 
          I HAVE THAT. 
          IT'S NOT, I HAVE A COPY OF THAT ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT IS STILL ON THEIR WEBSITE AND THEY UPDATE THAT MM-HMM . 
          HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL WE WILL, UH, SEE WHAT WE COME UP WITH AND ALL OF POSSIBLY UNTIL WE GET THAT DONE, WE DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S APPROVED AT BUDGET TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RAISES HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          MAYBE IT SHOULD BE LIKE LINE ITEM TRANSFER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE GET A LIST OF THIS MANY PEOPLE OR GOING UP, GOING DOWN WHATEVER WE COULD JUST THE COURT. 
          WELL, AND WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN JOHN GETS HERE BECAUSE I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT IT. 
          HE UNDERSTANDS I THINK PRETTY WELL WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. 
          AND I THINK HE THINKS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BY COURT ORDER THAT WILL GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. 
          WELL THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, DALLAS COUNTY, EVERY TIME THEY GIVE SOMEBODY A RAISE, THEY DON'T YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT THAT GETS ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE DEAL IS, IS UH, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS OR TWO YEARS, 10, 11 MONTHS, WHATEVER. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS, I FEEL LIKE THEY THINK WE'RE OUT OF THE WOODS. 
          WELL, WE'RE NOT OUTTA THE WOODS. 
          WE MAY BE ABLE TO SEE THE, THE DAYLIGHT OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT OUT THE WOODS BY ANY MEANS. 
          AND IF THEY THINK THEY CAN JUST GO IN THERE AND AND GIVE 
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HIS RAISES, YOU KNOW, THAT AFFECTS THE, THAT AFFECTS THE MORALE OF EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY. 
          BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, SOMEBODY GET A RAISE IN IN ANYBODY'S OFFICE AND IT DON'T TAKE TWO MINUTES TO GET SCATTERED OUT TO THE, TO THE GUY THAT'S WORKING CATCHING HOLES OVER PILL TANK. 
          I MEAN THAT, I DUNNO HOW IT TRAVELS SO FAST. 
          NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT'S LIKE ANYTHING AND IT AFFECTS THE MORALE OF, OF EVERYBODY. 
          IT GETS EMBELLISHED AS WELL. 
          YEAH, SURE IT DOES. 
          SURE IT DOES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT IS OF COURSE THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE STRESSED TO 'EM THAT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO HEAL THIS BUDGET AND GET, GET MORE FLUSH RESERVE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO IT. 
          THEY THINK WE'RE BACK IN, IN THE EIGHTIES WHERE THE, WHERE THE CALVES WAS WAS FLUSH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO. 
          BUT, UH, IT, IT'S NOT THAT WHAT NO, UH, AND IT'S, IT IT'S GETTING BETTER BUT IT'S, WE'RE STILL NOT WORKING. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT NOW I DO HAVE, UH, I I THINK THE OUTLOOK IS BRIGHTER FAR AS, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MANAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, CORRECTLY. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. 
          UH, BY AND LARGE THOUGH, OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE NOT HAD ANY KIND OF A SALARY INCREASE IN WHAT, FIVE YEARS? I'M SURE. 
          I'M SURE I CAN GET A, EXCEPT YOU KNOW, WE GAVE UH, 500 LAST YEAR. 
          500 LAST YEAR. 
          SIX. 
          BUT THEY ALSO TOOK A 12 DAY SALARY CUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT, THREE YEARS AGO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, THEY'VE NEVER RECOVERED FROM THAT. 
          NOW THEY DIDN'T WORK FOR 12 DAYS, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY, ANYWAY, I JUST, IT IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND GET, GET OUR HAND WRAPPED AROUND THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHTYY. 
          IT'S NINE 30. 
          I I CAN'T SMELL THESE, UH UH ANYMORE. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK AND UH, SO WE'LL DO THAT THEN WE'LL START BACK ABOUT 10, 10 MINUTES BACK. 
          YOU NEED THIS STUFF BACK YOU GABE. 
          LITTLE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, BETH, THIS IS SOMETHING, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, AND JACK, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP, I THINK YOU MAY BE AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS PERHAPS AS ANYBODY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY I THINK THAT, I DUNNO WHY HE KNEW THE JUDGE. 
          , IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE DO NOT HAVE A COUNTY DEGREE POLICY NOW. 
          IS THAT CORRECT OR INCORRECT? I STARTED ONE, UM, WHEN WE REDID THE MANUAL AND WE TOOK IT OUT 'CAUSE IT NEEDED SOME WORK. 
          SO I GAVE Y'ALL A COPY OF THE ONE THAT WE STARTED AND THAT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NO, WE HAVE NOTHING IN EFFECT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          YOU FOUND ALL THE EXTRA COPIES THAT Y'ALL SENT US OR, OR WHERE WE GET THE YEAH. 
          FROM THE OTHER COUNTIES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I ALSO HAVE OTHER ONES FROM OTHER COUNTIES THAT I AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE ONE, ONE FROM MONTGOMERY AND OF COURSE WE HAVE ONE TART COUNTY, WHICH IS A BIG ONE. 
          AND THEN COUNTY AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE ON THE TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ONE THAT YOU LOOKED UP, THAT ONE I THINK IS, UM, REALLY GOOD. 
          I REALLY LIKED THAT ONE AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM ONE FROM BASTROP COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WE DO NOW IS, UH, PRETTY WELL LEFT UP JUST TO EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT THEY DO VEHICLE AS FAR, I, I THINK PRETTY MUCH FROM MY END OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT I SEE IS WE BUY, THAT'S REALLY ALL MY FUNCTION IS, IS OF COURSE BUYING THE VEHICLE. 
          UH, AND IT'S KIND OF GUESS SOME, SOME AREAS, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT PICK ON FIRE MARSHAL BUT YOU HAVE A SPECIAL FUND ALLOWS YOU TO BUT UH, BUY EQUIPMENT, EQUIP YOU BUY SOONER THAN OTHER, UH, MEAN BASED ON MILEAGE OR ANYTHING AGE, BUT THEY ON CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS PROBABLY SOME KIND OF CERTAIN AGE OR MILEAGE AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          IT'S EMERGENCY USE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE MAKING MILES, MAYBE COME OUTTA THE PATROL, MAYBE UTILIZE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          BUT THERE OUGHT BE SOME TRIGGER THAT I GUESS WHEN I BRING A REQUEST TO BUY A VEHICLE THAT UH, IT MEETS WHATEVER CRITERIA YOU GUYS 
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SET, WHETHER IT'S FIVE YEARS OLD, HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WE NEED SOME STANDARD. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT'S ON MY SIDE OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, TUMOR SIDE, BUT THERE'S ALL KIND OF ISSUES ABOUT WHEN YOU TAKE A CAR HOME, UH, UH, BODY DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S AREAS OUT THERE. 
          YOU'LL SEE VEHICLES THAT DON'T GET TOO MUCH BUT YOU'LL MAYBE THERE'S A DENT ON, ON THE FENDER THAT WASN'T THERE THE DAY BEFORE. 
          HOW TO GET THERE. 
          YOU A LOT OF PLACES YOU HAVE TO INSPECT THE VEHICLE EVERY DAY. 
          IF SOMEONE FIND DAMAGE ON YOUR VEHICLE, IT WASN'T LOADED. 
          YOU HAD TO EXPLAIN THAT. 
          SO YOU CAN GET ALL INTO ALL KIND OF THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UPKEEP THE VEHICLE, DO SMOKE IN THE VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE HOW YOU REPORT DAMAGE, WHO TAKES IT HOME TO USE IT THERE, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE. 
          AND THERE ALSO THE REQUIREMENTS IRS CODES, IT SAYS THAT WE BRING IT TO THE FLOOR ABOUT CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON. 
          IT'S A CONSIDERED FRINGE BENEFIT. 
          THEY'VE GOTTA PAY TAXES ON IT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. 
          I THINK SAY WE'VE DONE SO RECENTLY, IT'S JUST WE, I PASSED THE RESOLUTION THAT IF YOU BUY A VEHICLE WE CAN TURN IN A VEHICLE. 
          JUST BE POSSIBLE. 
          BUT THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT ONLY THING WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          WELL, AND I, I HATE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS SITUATION, UH, THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE, UH, THE UH, PERSON THAT THE EMPLOYEE THAT WAS CAUGHT IN A COMPROMISING POSITION IN A COUNTY VEHICLE OUT OF THE COUNTY AND UH, NOT ON FISHER BUSINESS. 
          AND UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THERE OUGHT BE SOME TEETH SOMEPLACE. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY I WE'RE PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE A FEW COUNTIES DOESN'T HAVE A POLICY ON HOW DO YOU, I MEAN THERE IS IRSS RULES THAT WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING IT SOONER OR LATER PROBABLY WOULD'VE TO PAY A PENALTY ON THAT. 
          I BACK AROUND AND A LOT OF THE ONES THAT I READ, THEY LIKE, I DIDN'T SIGN FIND ONE THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE THE COUNTY VEHICLE OUTTA THE COUNTY FOR ANY REASON. 
          AND IF YOU LIVE OUT OF THE COUNTY AND YOU USE IT FOR COMMUTING, THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL MILEAGE ON IT FOR TAKING IT OUT OF THE COUNTY. 
          I MEAN THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN PUT ON IT AND HAVE CONTROL OVER THE VEHICLES THAT WE CAN OWN AND WE PAY FOR. 
          WELL WHAT'S YOUR, UH, YOUR PLEASURE. 
          I MEAN THIS IS GONNA FOR, YOU KNOW, GOING TO DO THIS MORNING, BUT IT'S JUST ONE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. 
          I DUNNO HOW IT'S GONNA BE THE BEST POLICY TO DO THIS OTHER THAN I DO THINK WE NEED A POLICY. 
          WANT SOME FOLKS TO WORK ON THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          GIVE US SOMETHING. 
          TWEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          JIM, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? WELL, KENNETH UH, HAS THIS KIND OF A REVISED EDITION FROM, UH, FROM TAR COUNTY HERE, UM, THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. 
          I DUNNO IF Y'ALL ALL HAVE A COPY OF THAT, BUT, UM, IT'S A LOT OF THERE AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD, UM, I LOOKED IT OVER PRETTY THOROUGHLY AND IT MENTIONS PRECINCT SUPPORT VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS JUST YOUR AVERAGE DEPARTMENTAL VEHICLES. 
          I THINK WE CAN TAKE THAT AND UH, TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          IT'S, IT'S GOT, UH, ENGINES, UH, FOUR VEHICLES, GRANT VEHICLES. 
          POOL VEHICLES. 
          WE HAVE GRANT VEHICLES WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DOCUMENT. 
          YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME DO Y'ALL ALL HAVE A COPY OF THAT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JACK, I THINK I SENT YOU A COPY THAT ONE SEVERAL MONTHS BACK. 
          YEAH, TAR COUNTY AND I GUESS, UH, AND I LOOKED OVER TOO. 
          I DID PROBABLY STUDY. 
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I LOOKED AT IT A FEW WEEKS NOW. 
          UH, OF COURSE TARRANT COUNTY IS A COUNTY OF ABOUT A MILLION PEOPLE AND SO THEY, THEY PROBABLY HAVE MORE PERSONNEL TO HELP MONITOR THIS. 
          AND I GUESS THAT'S GONNA BE MY QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WHO'S GONNA DO, YEAH, WHO'S GONNA KEEP UP WITH IT? THAT'S THE REASON I KIND OF WANTED JACK, UH, JACK JACK HERE. 
          I KNOW JACK'S GOT HIS HANDS FULL. 
          UH, POSSIBLY A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS PERSON FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, JACK, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE AT DISADVANTAGE OFFICER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FLEET MANAGER TO OVERSEE. 
          IT'S, THAT COULD BE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE JOB. 
          IT IS. 
          HOW MANY VEHICLES DO WE OWN COUNTYWIDE? DO YOU YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OFF HAND? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I, I REALLY DON'T. 
          UH, PROBABLY BETWEEN TWO OR 300. 
          PROBABLY 300. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MASSIVE UNDER IT'S EVALUATE 'EM AND KEEP UP WITH 'EM AND DOCUMENT TAKE HOME VEHICLES VERSUS POOL VEHICLES VERSUS GRANT VEHICLES. 
          DON'T YOU ASSIGN 'EM TO AN APARTMENT THAT COULD THAT DEPARTMENT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN VEHICLE? YEAH. 
          AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A POLICY THROUGH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          FOLLOW ON YOU. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I I THINK IT MY, YOU KNOW, I HADN'T LOOKED AT IT LATELY, BUT I, BUT I KNOW IT, TARRANT COUNTY OFFICE OPERATES PRETTY EXTENSIVE. 
          THEY DO GOOD WORK OVER THERE. 
          THEY GOT A LOT OF FOLKS. 
          UH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO JUST PULL SOME OF THAT OFF OF THAT POLICY. 
          I THINK ONCE THEY GOT IMPLEMENTED THIS PROBABLY UP THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO UM, FOLLOW THAT GUIDELINES AND THEN IF SOMEONE SAW THAT THAT WASN'T HAPPENING, THAT YOU'D HAVE TO ANSWER THAT I GUESS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHAT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HELP US BRING SOMETHING BACK TO FOR, TO I'LL BE GLAD TO HELP PUT TOGETHER. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T, I WANT, WE JUST WANT YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          I WANNA GIVE AN EXAMPLE JUST, YOU KNOW WHY I SAY THAT. 
          UH, OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF POS WE'VE DONE THE LAST FOUR YEARS, YOU COMPARE LAST YEAR WE HAVE INCREASED 273% IN MY OFFICE. 
          UH, FROM OCTOBER ONE TO NOVEMBER 6TH. 
          WE'VE ALREADY DONE A 29% WE DID LAST YEAR. 
          SO WAS A FACILITY MANAGER. 
          SO I DUNNO, I'VE GOT TIME MUCH ON, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT MY BUT THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING THE PERSON. 
          EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
           SHOULDA BEEN THAT PREVIOUS. 
          WE GOT BUSY, BUT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIKE, I'M NOT GETTING MY JOB DONE. 
          SO WE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN AND, AND AND HELP. 
          I THINK ONCE IT GOT ESTABLISHED, WE LEAVE UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, MONITOR. 
          UH, THERE AGAIN, FROM MY END IT'D BE A GOOD TOOL. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN, WHEN WE REPLACE, I GET REQUEST FROM WHATEVER APARTMENTS LOCATED HAVE THIS MANY MILES ON IT AND WE NEED TO FIND WAYS MOVE CARS IN ONE ONE AREA TO UP TO THE NEXT AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE THING. 
          I MEAN WE ALSO HAVE SOME APARTMENTS THAT MAYBE COULD, COULD USE A CAR OUT THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE YOU SAID SOUTH CAMPUS FOR INSTANCE, THAT'S PROBABLY WISHLIST, BUT THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE FOLKS ARE HOP IN THE CAR TO CALL THE COUNTY CAR TO KNOWLEDGE. 
          BUT ALL KIND OF THINGS. 
          IT'S NEVER EASY. 
          NEVER. 
          I'LL BE HELP. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S LET, LET DO THIS, UH, KEN, LET ME APPOINT YOU CHAIR VERSION. 
          AND RAY, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO WORK WITH HIM AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S BOARD SINCE COMMISSIONER'S BOARD WE VEHICLE, UH, SHERIFF, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE. 
          UH, AND I'D LIKE FOR JACK TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AND IF YOU WOULD BE A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN AROUND AND HAVE SOME  YOU HAVE YOU CALLED ME OLD. 
          I'M VERY CAREFUL. 
          NO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED BRIEFLY IN BACK IN THE DARK AGE IS WHEN I HAD TO DO RISK MANAGEMENT ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IS TACK. 
          UH, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME OF THE SAFETY PROGRAMS WAS THE VEHICLES. 
          WE HAD TO BE INSPECTED ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHETHER YOU CHOSE TO DO IT DAILY, WEEKLY, WHATEVER. 
          BUT IT HAD, AND THAT HAD TO BE KEPT, UM, DOCUMENTED FOR THAT VEHICLE FOR THE LICENSE THAT YOU HAVE THE VEHICLE. 
          AND I DON'T, I'M GUILTY OF NOT DOING THAT. 
          I'VE GOT TWO VEHICLES IN MY DEPARTMENT AND I'VE NOT DONE THAT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO 
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BE INCORPORATED INTO POLICY 'CAUSE SURE. 
          I'M ANGIE, ARE YOU WRITING THESE NAMES DOWN SO WE DON'T FORGET OR I DON'T, YES. 
          I UH, AND LORI'S GONNA BE THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, LORI WOULD NEED TO BE A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE. 
          UH, AND THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE FROM ONE OF THE CONSTABLES SHOULD, SHOULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE, I THINK. 
          AND, UH, HOW ABOUT, UH, HOW ABOUT BRIAN? UH, BRIAN MORRIS? YES SIR. 
          FROM THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE. 
          UH, OTHER SUGGESTIONS? DO WE NEED SOMEONE ON THERE FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL? I DON'T MAKE THE COMMITTEE TOO BIG, BUT WE NEED, WE NEED INPUT FROM EVERYBODY. 
          THE PROBABLY NEED SOMEBODY FROM THE, UH, OFFICER'S OFFICE, I WOULD THINK AS WELL. 
          UH, MAYBE, UH, KAREN OR R KW, UH, WOULD BE GOOD. 
          KW KW MIGHT BE GOOD. 
          GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR HIM. 
          AND, UH, ANY, ANYBODY ELSE? SO IS KEN RAY, SHERIFF? BRIAN MORRIS, LAURIE CA. 
          K OBJECT. 
          YEAH, JUDGE, I'LL ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT TOO. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS FUEL MED CARD. 
          UH, I PROBABLY ABOUT 90% FINISHED WITH GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THE FOLKS IN OUR VEHICLES. 
          UH, THERE IS A FLEET, UH, MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON THERE. 
          I'LL GET PRICE, PRICE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT I THINK IT TRACKS MILEAGE AND DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          HISTORY, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU COULD FIND OUT HOW MUCH WORK'S BEEN DONE ON THAT CAR. 
          CURRENTLY WITH EVERYBODY HAVING THEIR OWN VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, SIGNING TO THEM. 
          THERE'S NO REAL HISTORY ON WHAT WE'RE SPENDING FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S A COST, A PENNY MORE PER GALLON OR WHATEVER THAT, HOWEVER THAT WORKS OUT. 
          THAT WILL TELL YOU, MAYBE GIVES YOU A POINT OF EXAMPLE, THIS VEHICLE HAD 3000 WORTH REPAIR LAST 18 MONTHS. 
          IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF IT. 
          I JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. 
          IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 
          WE TRACK, WE HAVE A VEHICLE LOG FOR WITH EACH VEHICLE. 
          WE TRACK THAT MONTHLY MAINTENANCE OPERATION AND SHERIFF'S PROBABLY THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT YOU KNOW THAT'S GOT THIS KIND UNDER PATROL. 
          FAR AS, WHERE ARE THOSE RECORDS? SHERIFF? WE HAVE THEM UP THERE. 
          EVERY VEHICLE GOT A NUMBER AND CAR CALL CARGO, THEY ANY REPAIR AND THAT'S ALL MAINTENANCE INSPECTING ALL OUR VEHICLES. 
          THE MECHANIC BRINGS IT INTO ME. 
          THE REPORT, I THINK THAT KATHY PROBABLY GIVE IT TO US BACK IN THE DARK AGES, WHATEVER, ON ALL THIS STUFF THAT SHE HAVE HAS TO CHECK OFF ON. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE MY MECHANIC IS VERY METICULOUS ABOUT EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, SO A LOT OF THINGS, UNLESS I SERVE, IT DOESN'T GET FIXED BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT VERY, VERY METICULOUS IF THEY'RE, I DON'T CARE IF AIR CONDITION WORKS OR NOT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT KIND OF STUFF IS ALWAYS ON THERE. 
          I CARE ABOUT BRAKES, TIRES, FLOOD LEVELS, TIRES, THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          AND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOW THAT WOULD AFFECT MY SAFETY LINE LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, I GET EVERYTHING ON, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT I WILL GO BACK AND CIRCLE IT. 
          THIS, WE FIXED THIS, WE FIXED THIS, WE FIXED THIS. 
          AND UH, THEN UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, IT'S LIKE, I'M CALL JACK AND SAY, TAKE US ONE ON VEHICLE AND PUT IN REMAIN BASE AUCTION AND SEE WE CAN'T GET $500. 
          ANGIE, HOW MANY DOES THAT GIVE US? ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT LARRY UH, ING ON THERE AS WELL. 
          SINCE HE HAS THREE OR FOUR VEHICLES. 
          STEVE GONNA PUT YOU, YOU GOT TOO MUCH TO DO. 
          PROBATION. 
          WE NEED TO EXPAND THEN. 
          UH, TOO MANY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THIS MANY PEOPLE. 
          THEY'RE ALL NOT GONNA BE THERE. 
          SAME MEETING. 
          JUST DO IT. 
          LET'S JUST GIVE IT TO, WE CAN GET, I THINK PROBATION HAS SEVERAL. 
          YEAH, WE OWN THE PERMISSION. 
          UH, ALRIGHT. 
          ANDREW, READ THOSE NAMES OFF END. 
          SO WE, UH, LORI, JACK, COMMISSIONER SHANE, COMMISSIONER CLARK, SHERIFF BURNS, UH, KATHY 
          [01:10:01]
BRYANT, MORRIS, UH, KW AND LARRY ING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LORI, AND I'D LIKE TO BE THE FIRST TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR GRAND SERVE ON THIS. 
          UH, I'M WRITING THIS DOWN. 
           I'M KEEPING TRACK OF THIS. 
          AND IT IS PROBABLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. 
          WE GOT HOLIDAYS COMING UP, ALL OF THAT. 
          BUT WE DO NEED A VEHICLE POLICY. 
          THIS IRS THING REALLY NEEDS TO LIKE HAPPEN TO YEAH, PRETTY PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE OFFICERS ARE. 
          AND I MEAN, WE CAN INVOLVE OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT WE CERTAINLY NEED INPUT FROM THE OFFICER'S OFFICE AND ON THE IRS STUFF BECAUSE THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA GET THEIR HANDS CALL. 
          I KNOW THES HAVE A BIG CONCERN OVER THAT. 
          DO THEY? YEAH. 
          ABOUT WHEN IS BENEFIT, YOU KNOW? OKAY, I'M GONNA HOLD UP ON THIS, UH, THE CONTRACT, UH, WITH PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE COUNTY WHERE OWE MONEY TO JOHN. 
          UH, NEXT ITEM IS TO REVIEW THE TIMETABLE OF THE, UH, SELLING OF THE BONDS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION. 
          I MADE YOU A COPY OF THE, UH, LETTER THAT, UH, GEORGE WILFORD SENT TO ME, UH, A COPY TO, UH, TOM. 
          AND YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN READ THROUGH THAT. 
          THE, THE SECOND PART OF IT IS KIND OF THE, UH, CALENDAR OF EVENTS. 
          UH, AND, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR IS, IS WHERE GEORGE WILFORD AND TOM COME INTO PLAY. 
          AND WHEN YOU SELL BONDS, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGHLY REGULATED. 
          THEY'RE, I MEAN, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSIONS. 
          YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN TEXAS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S JUST LOTS OF LEGAL HOOPS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE BONDS ARE SELLABLE. 
          UH, SO THE FIRST THING WOULD BE, UH, INFORMATION REQUEST SUBMITTED TO COUNTY FOR THE PREPARATION OF THE PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT. 
          UH, I THINK THAT PROBABLY HAS GONE THROUGH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THAT INFORMATION WILL COME FROM. 
          UH, AND, AND AGAIN, BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER, THE, UH, 30TH THAT WILL, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOWING WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY AS A COUNTY, THEY WILL, I, I'M HOPING THAT OUR, AND I DOUBT IT, IT WILL BE, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS SO LATE LAST YEAR, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF OUR, UH, UH, LAST YEAR'S FINANCIAL OUTSIDE AUDIT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT, BUT THEY'RE GONNA WANT MORE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA WANT RECENT INFORMATION. 
          ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS IS ONE OF THE BIG, UH, UH, ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD ON OUR AUDIT REPORT, THE OUTSIDE AUDIT REPORT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS BEEN A LAWSUIT THAT SHOWED UP AS A LIABILITY. 
          AND NOW THAT'S GONE AWAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S GOING TO HELP SHOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT HUGE LIABILITY OUT THERE. 
          SO THAT, THAT SHOULD HAVE, UH, SHOULD HAVE THAT, UH, QUITE A BIT. 
          UH, THE RATING AGENCIES, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE RATED AS A MY STATE, WHICH MEANS WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A OR A PLUS. 
          THAT WOULD BE THERE, A, A DOUBLE PLUS OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT. 
          BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT WHERE WE WERE TWO YEARS AGO. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULDN'T REFINANCE IT ON A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE PLUS FOURTH. 
          THE OTHER THING THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT, AND THEY'LL GET THIS FROM OUR AUDITOR'S OFFICE, AND THEN THE OUTSIDE AUDITOR WILL GIVE THEM SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL. 
          AND, UH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR RATING WILL BE. 
          I DON'T, I, I'M HOPING IT'LL BE BETTER THAN AN A MINUS, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY NOT BE THERE. 
          WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE STILL GOT SOME ISSUES WE'VE GOTTA FACE AS A COUNTY. 
          UH, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING THOSE ISSUES. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT YESTERDAY, WHENEVER KAREN GAVE US A FINANCIAL REPORT, WE'RE GONNA FIND UP IN THE BLACK AGAIN AND AGAIN. 
          WE GOT, WE STILL OWE HUNDRED THOUSAND ON THAT CONES LAWSUIT. 
          BUT TO, BUT THAT'S, WE PAID, YOU KNOW, HALF THAT LAST YEAR. 
          WE GOT THE OTHER  SCHEDULED FOR THIS YEAR. 
          UH, THEN ON, UH, JANUARY THE 24TH, WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE THE BOND RATINGS. 
          THE, UH, BONDS WILL 
          [01:15:01]
BE PUT OUT ON THE MARKET. 
          UH, PROJECTED DATE WILL BE FEBRUARY THE SIXTH. 
          AND ACCORDING TO GEORGE, EARLY, UH, EARLY, UH, JANUARY, JANUARY OR EARLY FEBRUARY, UH, TRADITIONALLY THAT'S WHEN BOND RATES, MUNICIPAL BOND RATES ARE AT THEIR LOWEST. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE TIMING ON WHEN WE'RE SELLING THESE IS PROBABLY PRETTY GOOD. 
          AND IF NOTHING CRAZY HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE HAVE ANOTHER 9 1 1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I MEAN, HEAVEN, YOU KNOW, WE PRAY THAT THAT NEVER DOES NOT OCCUR. 
          BUT WE, WE SHOULD BE HITTING THE MARKET, I THINK AT, AT A GOOD TIME. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD SELL THE BOND OR, UH, AND YOU WOULD AUTHORIZE A SALE OF THE BOND. 
          SOME OF THIS WILL INVOLVE SOME SPECIAL MEETINGS, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE, UH, FEBRUARY THE 10TH, AND THEN WE WOULD GET THE PROCEEDS, UH, FROM THE, UH, SALE OF THOSE BONDS, UH, ON MARCH THE 11TH. 
          AND AGAIN, I REMEMBER ON THE TRANSPORTATION BONDS, WE'RE NOT SETTING ON THOSE AT ONE TIME. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA LOCK IN THE RATES IF THE BONDS GONNA SELL FOR A YEAR OR TWO? IS THAT POSSIBLE? UH, YOU IN WHAT YOU WANNA SELL? YEAH. 
          YOU YEAH, LIKE IF WE SELL 20 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS, 23 MILLION I THINK IS WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT AT ONE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WE COULD SELL THE DEBT RATE. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD SELL 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME, BUT YEAH, YOU'D BE PAYING INTEREST ON, AND THAT'S OFFSET. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE'LL NEED TO HAVE WITH CHARGE PROBABLY TOO. 
          YOU OFFSET THAT. 
          IF WE COULD SELL THE BONDS NOW FOR LESS THAN 5%, AND IF SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS AND THEY GO UP TO 10%, WELL IT MAYBE IT'S A GOOD TIME TO SOLVE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SOME THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK THROUGH AND, UH, UH, START LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN A STATE OF UNCERTAINTY IN FAILURE. 
          SO MAYBE GETTING MORE VOLATILE. 
          COULD BE. 
          YEAH, COULD BE. 
          I JUST THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT AND, AND, UH, BUT WE'LL ALL, WE'LL HAVE ALL, UH, 56 MILLION TO SALE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SETTLE ON TIME. 
          BUT I, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION WE WANT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S OUTSIDE MY AREA OF EXPERTISE. 
          SO, UH, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO GIVE US SOME MONEY TO START WORKING WITH. 
          AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD GET AN ADDITIONAL $250,000, YOU KNOW, THIS FIRST YEAR. 
          AND, UH, THAT, I MEAN, THE TIMING ON GETTING THAT, THAT FOR Y'ALL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN THE WORK BEGIN GOING ON. 
          SO THAT'S WORK. 
          ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I JUST, I JUST GOT IT. 
          I THOUGHT IT'D BE INTERESTING FOR YOU TO SEE IN CASE YOU START GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY, WELL, I THINK WE GOTTA WORK SMARTER IF NOT HARDER, RIGHT. 
          FOR THAT GAME. 
          THAT'S THEIR JOB. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, ANY OTHER TO, I'M GOOD. 
          UH, I'VE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK CALL ME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE OF ELECTION LAST WEEK IT PASSED. 
          I'VE ALREADY GOT THE 250,000 IN MY ACCOUNT. 
          WANT TO KNOW WHY I'M NOT OUT THERE FIXING? I'VE HAD TO EXPLAIN IT. 
          YOU GOT ANY PEOPLE WONDER BEFORE WE'RE GONNA SPEND THIS 56 MILLION ON COUNTY ROAD? OH YEAH, SURE. 
          THEY THINK THE ALL 6 MILLION, SOME OF THEM THINK THE ALL 56 MILLION FOR COUNTY ROAD. 
          WELL, YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN. 
          I HOW YOU THAT YOU, ANYWAY, WE'RE, UH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THESE AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND UH, UH, GET US A GAME PLAN WITH, UH, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WILL ADVISE US WITH THE STATE, WITH THE RTC AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE A PRETTY STRONG SHOWING THIS NEXT YEAR STUFF AS FAST AS WE CAN. 
          THE STATE STUFF MAY BE A LITTLE, MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, GETTING YEAH. 
          WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROVE SOMETHING WITH THIS PARTICULAR COLLECTION. 
          WELL, WHEN WILL KEVIN AND WILL THEY START RIGHT IN TRYING TO LEVERAGE THIS MONEY SOON AS THE BONDS ARE FUNDED? YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE POLLSTER, I'M SURE HE'S, HIS MIND'S ALREADY A WORD. 
          HE'S ALREADY ON IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THERE'S, AND RAY PROBABLY CAN BRING US UP TO DATE BETTER THAN ANYBODY, BUT THERE IS A PROCESS WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, TO SELECT AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND, UH, AND, AND WE HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT ALL WITH TECH STOCK 
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AS WELL. 
          AND, UH, THE FEDERAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS, SINCE THERE'S GONNA BE A FEDERAL INVOLVED, JUST DON'T SELECT SOMEBODY. 
          WE HAVE TO GO OUT THROUGH FORMAL PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING CORRECTLY AND EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT, BUT NOT ON YOUR, NOT ON THE COUNTY ROAD RIGHT. 
          STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SEE SOME OF THE TECH STOCK MONEY AND SOME OF THE RTC, WELL, I GUESS ALL, NOT ALL THE RTC MONEY, BUT THE, UH, THAT'S FEDERAL MONEY AND I THINK THAT'S RTC IS FEDERAL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT DOWN, BUT WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GET US A GAME PLAN AND GET STARTED. 
          I JUST KNOW WE NEED TO GET, GET SOME ACTION. 
          OTHER COMMENTS. 
          GOOD NEWS IS WE GO WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW WE JUST NEED LET JOHN POST OR, UH, WORK HIS MAGIC AND GET US ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS MORE TO, UH, TO WORK WITH. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE SCHOOL BUS ZONE SAFE PROGRAM. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH A COUPLE OF COMPANIES AND I THINK JACK, THEY VISITED WITH, UH, YOU TOO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST COMPANY AND THIS IS CALLED A TS, UH, UH, SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS IN CAL COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, HERE'S A FEW EXTRA COPIES. 
          SURE. 
          YOU WANT EXTRA, EXTRA PROPERTIES. 
          AND THEN I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE HERE AS WELL. 
          I'LL USE JUST A, IN A MOMENT FROM ANOTHER COMPANY. 
          UH, WHAT, WHAT THIS IS. 
          THEY, THEY ARE, THEY'RE CAMERAS THAT ARE PLACED IN SCHOOL ZONE AND ON SCHOOL BUSES. 
          UH, EVIDENTLY THERE IS, UH, ACROSS THE, UH, THE STATE, UH, AND I GUESS NATION TOO. 
          WE'RE HAVING A MORE AND MORE OF AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE RUNNING, UH, RED LIGHTS ON THE SCHOOL BUSES WHENEVER THE BUSES STOPPED, YOU KNOW, LETTING ALL KIDS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS INCIDENT OUT HERE, WHAT, A COUPLE YEARS AGO OUT HERE ON THIRD FLOOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAD THAT, I THINK 6-YEAR-OLD KID OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT WAS IT. 
          NOW, IN THAT CASE, THEY WERE ABLE TO STOP, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET, GET THE GUY. 
          BUT SOMETIMES WHENEVER, UH, THAT HAPPENS, YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE BUS DRIVER'S GOT OTHER THINGS GOING ON. 
          THEY CAN'T, THEY DON'T WRITE DOWN THE NUMBER, THEN IT BECOMES THEIR WORD AGAINST THE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DRIVING AND ALL THAT. 
          SO THIS IS A, UH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO ME, UH, LAST YEAR BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE IN, THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING, WE IMPLEMENT IN COUNTY. 
          SINCE THEN, UH, THERE'S BEEN A, UH, A LAW THAT WAS PASSED THAT, UH, ALLOWS COUNTIES. 
          AND I DON'T THINK MUNICIPALITIES OR SCHOOL DISTRICTS CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE YOU CAN SET UP A SCHOOL ZONE CAMERA, UH, IN WHERE, WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, SCHOOL SIGNS, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE STATIONARY AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE MULTIPLE THERE IN, IN A VAN, AND THEY CAN MOVE THEM FROM AREA TO AREA, WHEREVER THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE. 
          UH, IF YOU WOULD, UH, AND I, AND I DON'T, I'M JUST GIVING YOU THIS TO READ OVER BECAUSE I THINK, UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, WE'LL NEED TO GET THESE TWO, UH, COMPANIES THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST. 
          BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF HOW IT WORKS. 
          AND IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE OF THIS, UH, WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M SURE THIS IS OVERLY OPTIMISTIC, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS KIND OF A SPREADSHEET, UH, THERE, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE SCHOOL MONTH IS ABOUT 21 DAYS. 
          2021 DAYS A YEAR. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE A FEW CAMPUSES THAT HAVE SUMMER SCHOOL, BUT I DOUBT WE HAVE MANY KNOW, UH, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE CAMERAS, THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION WILL PROVIDE 10 CAMERAS. 
          UH, THEY EXPECT THEY HAVE 50, UH, VIOLATION. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE THE MOBILE ONE WHERE THEY MOVE IT FROM ONE SCHOOL TO ANOTHER. 
          AND, YOU 
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KNOW, IT DOESN'T STAY AT THE SAME PLACE. 
          UH, THE FINE IS, UH, $150. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S BY STATE LAW, I BELIEVE IT'S KIND LIKE A RED LIGHT HAMMER, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A FEE THAT GOES TO THE, UH, COUNTY, UH, THERE'S A FEE THAT GOES TO THE VENDOR AND THEN THERE'S COMPLIANCE. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT ARE LISTED THERE, UH, AND I THINK THESE PROBABLY MAY BE A LITTLE OVER'S, LOST MONEY. 
          UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO GET, GET THEM TO, UH, ESTIMATE. 
          BUT, UH, EVIDENTLY THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN OTHER COUNTIES, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, THIS IS KIND OF THE, AND OTHER COUNTIES IN OTHER STATES, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GETTING STARTED IN TEXAS. 
          IT WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE. 
          THIS, THIS LAST TIME. 
          YOU CAN CUT THAT IN HALF. 
          IT'S STILL A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, OF FUNDING. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, JACK, ABOUT, YOU'VE TAUGHT, I THINK BOTH VENDORS AND WE REALLY DON'T PURCHASE ANYTHING. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          THEY FIND THEY FURNISH ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND, UH, RIGHT. 
          UH, YOUR, YOUR SECOND GUY CALLED, UH, SECOND VENDOR CALLED YESTERDAY, GOT A CONVERSATION. 
          HE'S ON H CO-OP. 
          WE HAVE TO BID IT OUT. 
          UH, I'M NOT REAL, I STILL HAVE A REAL UNDERSTANDING ON THE PROCUREMENT SIDE OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, FAR AS WHAT WE BUY. 
          BECAUSE SINCE THE CAMERAS ARE, WE'RE NOT BUYING THE CAMERAS, THEY'RE BEING GIVEN TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE COUNTY SIGNED THE CONTRACT. 
          UH, ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAMERAS THAT, THAT ARE KIND OUT OUTTA OUR PATROL, SO TO SPEAK? IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE INVENTORY AND ALL THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS. 
          JOINT EFFORT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          WHAT I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GONNA GIVE THE SCHOOLS THE EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, WE WOULD ENFORCE IT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW, I DON'T HAVE A REAL UNDERSTANDING HOW ALL THAT'S GONNA WORK. 
          IF IT'S SIMILAR TO RED FLAG, THE COMPANY KEEPS CONTROL OF THE CAMERAS. 
          AND THE ONLY THING THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PROVIDE AN OFFICER TO REVIEW VIDEO DAILY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN ACTUAL VIOLATION OF GO TO COURT. 
          KIND LIKE A RED LIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          SO OUR ONLY INVOLVED WITH THAT WOULD BE A GIFT OF CONTRACT, LIKE THROUGH JOHN LAW OR SOMEONE SIGNING OFF. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 
          JOHN, I THINK AT ONE TIME YOU LOOKED OVER ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS FROM THE SCHOOL BUS ZONE. 
          YES. 
          RED, RED FLEX UHHUH. 
          AND WE'VE HAD ANOTHER COMPANY NOW THAT HAS, UH, HIT THE MARKET IN, IN TEXAS. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A FAIRLY NEW LAW. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT JUST PASSED THIS LAST RECESSION WHERE, WHERE, BUT I THINK COUNTIES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN DO IT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          YEAH. 
          CS CAN'T DO IT. 
          IS IT? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S, FROM WHAT NOT DO ABOUT THIS MUCH ABOUT IT TOO, THE SHERIFF, THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S ONLY HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT AUTHORITY FOR SOME REASON TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. 
          HAVE YOU IN YOUR SHERIFF'S COMMITTEES ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUS CAMERAS AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY GAVE IT TO THE COUNTY TO GIVE IT TO THE CITIES. 
          DIDN'T GIVE IT TO THE CITIES. 
          THAT'S WHAT, SO THEY WOULD GIVE THE CAMERAS TO THE SCHOOLS. 
          WELL, I THINK WHAT THE SCHOOLS GET OUT OF IT, AND I, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET EM TO COME IN AND TALK. 
          I THINK WHAT THE, WHAT KAUFMAN I IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE SCHOOL BUS CAMERAS IS THAT, OR THE, THE OUTSIDE CAMERA OF THE BUS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS COMPANY WILL FURNISH THEM NEW INSIDE CAMERAS FOR THEIR BUSES. 
          UH, THE LATEST THING IF, IF, UH, IF WE GO ALONG AND HELP SPONSOR THIS, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY GIVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THE OUTSIDE CAMERAS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN OUTSIDE. 
          UH, BUT THEY WOULD GET THE INSIDE CAMERAS FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR BUSES AS WELL. 
          THAT'S HOW ONE COMPANY DOES. 
          BUT JACK AND I MAY BE WRONG. 
          THAT'S THE REASON WE'VE GOTTA GET THE COME. 
          AND THEY'RE, LET ME TELL YOU, THEY'RE CHOMPING AT THE BEST TO COME TALK WITH US BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THEIR FOOTHOLD IN, IN, UH, IN TEXAS. 
          AND THEY'RE TALKING TO TARRANT COUNTY, THEY'RE TALKING TO ROCKWELL COUNTY AND THEY'RE TALKING TO  COUNTY. 
          AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HUNGRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET STARTED SOMEPLACE. 
          UH, MY DEAL ON IT IS, UH, I'VE NEVER BEEN A REAL BIG FAN 
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OF RED BLACK CAMERAS, I GUESS BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAD PAY 75 BUCKS ONE TIME . 
          AND I KNEW IT WHEN I DID IT, I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE I JUST INSIDE, BUT I PAID 75 BUCKS WENT ON THAT ONE. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE RESEARCH SHOWS, I THINK THOSE RED LIGHT CAMERAS DO ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, SLOW DOWN ACCIDENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK TO THE CONTRARY, THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT RID OF SO MANY OF, I MEAN, ONCE PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE THERE, THEY START SLAMMING, THEY START SLAMMING ON THE BRAKES AS SOON AS, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE A, A YELLOW LIGHT THAT IN FACT THEY CAN MAKE IT. 
          AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FINES THEY WERE GETTING WAS NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT, YEAH. 
          IT JUST WASN'T WORTH, UH, WELL, I DON'T, WASN'T WORTH THE SQUEEZE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY SO MANY OF 'EM DISAPPEARED. 
          I KNOW TER HAD 'EM AT ONE TIME. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK ALSO WANT KNOW THAT IF THEY DON'T GENERATE SO MUCH REVENUE THAT CITY IS ON THE HOOK FOR, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T THE SAME DEAL. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S ONE THING YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED SOME BASE REVENUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THEY'RE BEING AWFUL OPTIMISTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          THE FIRST 30 DAYS, THAT MIGHT BE UNTIL 50 VIOLATIONS A DAY AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATING 21 DAYS A MONTH, 12 MONTHS A YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY OPTIMISTIC. 
          SCHOOL ZONES AND SCHOOL BUSES DON'T RUN 12 MONTHS A YEAR. 
          WELL, I THINK THIS OTHER THING, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT. 
          THAT'S THE SCHOOL BUS. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS RIGHT HERE IS JUST THE SCHOOL'S ON SPEED. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S, THEY'VE GOT A CAMERA THAT KEEPS YOU FROM RUNNING PAST THE SCHOOL BUS LIGHTS. 
          THOSE, THOSE, I AGREE WITH THOSE REALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. 
          THEY ARE. 
          AND, UH, SO THERE'S TWO PROGRAMS, BUT BOTH COMPANIES, STUDENT, THIS RED FLEX, WHICH JOHN HAS LOOKED AT, THEY, I KNOW, KNOW, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE YOU LOOKED AT THIS, DID YOU SEE ANY MAJOR, AND YOU'VE NOT EVEN LOOKED AT THIS LATEST COMPANY THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A POST. 
          UH, DO YOU REMEMBER ANY, ANY ISSUES YOU, UH, HAD WITH IT? HE, UM, NO. 
          IN FACT, THE RED FLEX CONTRACT WAS STARTING, WAS EXTREMELY LONG AND VERY THOROUGH. 
          UM, ALMOST TWO LONG. 
          SO, UM, 15 OR 20 PAGES. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND I THOUGHT THERE WERE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS, UH, FOR THE COURT. 
          UM, BECAUSE, UM, JUST, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, UM, THE COURT DOESN'T USUALLY DO THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT IT WAS A SCHOOL DISTRICT REACH, INDIVIDUAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS POLICY OR HOWEVER THEY RUN THEIR TRUCKS. 
          AND THERE WOULD BE, IT, IT SEEMED TO ME THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST A COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOMETHING, UH, CONFORMING THE PRACTICES OF HOWEVER DIFFERENT SMALLER SCHOOLS, THIS IS HOW WE DRIVE OUR BUSES, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. 
          AND, AND TRAINING, KIND OF COORDINATING EVERYTHING. 
          SO, SO EVEN IF YOU LIKE THE CONTRACT, THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES RUNNING UP TO THAT, THAT IT SEEMED LIKE, WELL, IT KIND WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS AS WELL AS, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER AL RAISED A GOOD POINT TOO OF, YOU KNOW, DOES IT WORK? BECAUSE IF, IF THE FEELING IS IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE, IT'S NOT GONNA GENERATE IT, IT, IT CERTAINLY SEEMED TO ME LIKE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK JUST TO GET TO THAT POINT. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A NAYSAYER, BUT IT, IT JUST, IT WASN'T JUST PESTS CONTRACTING ALL WORKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, IT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL ZONES AND SCHOOL BUSES ARE DIFFERENT THAN A RED LIGHT CAMP BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT INVOLVE WOULD ONE KID'S LIFE, YOU KNOW? BUT I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, TO ME IT, IT'S WORTH AT LEAST INVESTIGATING AND UH, SEE, SEE ALL THE CLAIM, I, I'M INTRIGUED BY THE REVENUE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I'M SURE IT'S, UH, THAT COULD HELP US IN A LOT AREAS AS FAR AS DESIGNATING THAT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PERHAPS, UH, PURCHASING VEHICLE OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN WE START GOING INTO A SEA, UH, LIKE THE CITY OF COLTON, CITY OF ANY OF THE, THERE'S GONNA HAVE BE SOME COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. 
          AND I WOULD EXPECT, UH, SOME DEGREE THEY MIGHT WELCOME IT BECAUSE THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO TIE MANPOWER. 
          BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY MAY WANT A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE 
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TOO. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE ISSUE, WELL, PROBABLY SCHOOLS GET MAJORITY MONEY. 
          IT SAYS NORTH CAPITAL, ALLOWING OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT RETAIN THE MAJORITY OF 5 12 50 ON THAT. 
          WELL, I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN POLICE COURT. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ISSUE, UH, I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE, ON THE VIOLATION. 
          AND, UH, THE, I KNOW KAUFMAN, I INDICATED TO ME THEY DID NOT, THEY WENT THE COUNTY TO, AND SEAN MAYFIELD, HIS DEPUTY, UH, WAS SET IN ON THE MEETING AND UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO SEAN, BUT IT IS NOT GONNA BE THAT HARD TO DO. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES PRETTY LIMIT. 
          AND THE OTHER THING THEY DO, I IN PERIOD, THEY ADVERTISE IT, UH, ONE OF THEM, THE VAN THEY SET OUT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY SAYS SCHOOL ZONE CAM, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS AND OPERATION, THEY PUT UP PERMANENT SIGNS AND I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS I THINK THEY DO TO PUBLICIZE, BUT THEY SAY EVEN IN DEATH THAT PEOPLE TELL, YOU KNOW, BUS THROUGH, SCHOOL BUS. 
          AND I DROVE A SCHOOL BUS FOR 10 YEARS BACK IN I YOUNGER, EARLIER DAYS, AND, UH, AND TYPICALLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE RUNNING THE FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          TEXT PHONE, CELL PHONE ED. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED ON, ON FLOOR THAT WAS KILLED DEALT WAS A TRAUMA THAT THE KIDS INSIDE OF THE BUS WITNESSED WHERE THAT CHILD WAS HIT. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UH, IT'S PRETTY, UH, PRETTY DEVASTATING THING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          JUDGE, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT, UH, UH, ON THE CAMERA THING THAT WE WOULD ONLY DO, THAT THE CONSTABLE WOULD DO, WOULD DO THAT ON COUNTY ROADS AND NOT IN TOWN. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE WAY IT EXPLAINED TO ME THAT ON, ON THE, THEY'RE PASSING THE BUS WITH THE CAMERAS ON. 
          THEY MAY ENFORCE THAT ON COUNTY ROADS, NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS IS EXPLAIN TO ME. 
          WELL, I, I DUNNO, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT THEY EXPLAIN TO ME IT'D BE MORE OR LESS OUT THE CITY LIMITS COUNTY, STATE HIGHWAY WHERE, AND THEN MAYBE I GUESS UNINCORPORATED AREAS. 
          BUT THEN WHEN YOU THROW IN THE, THE VEHICLE THAT SITS OUT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL, IT LOOKED LIKE IT'D BE PRIMARILY IN THE CITY. 
          MOST OF OUR SCHOOLS WOULD BE IN CITY. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME I SEVERAL SCHOOLS OUTSIDE THE CITY. 
          AND I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAD TO JOHN PROBABLY CAN ANSWER TO IS, UH, JOHN HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE EQUIPMENT TO THE SCHOOL AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RUN THE SYSTEM. 
          WHAT COMPOSITION PUTS US IN WHERE WE DON'T HAVE EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT BE A DUAL CONTRACT WHERE YOU GIVE THE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAMERAS AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE RESPONS FOR THE LAW SIDE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? NO. 
          I HAD KIND OF ISSUE DIDN'T HAVE EQUIPMENT AND US SIGNING OFF ON THEIR EQUIPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN YOU GOT MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT RESPONSIBLE. 
          I THINK A GREAT IDEA. 
          I KNOW KID LIFE WORTH, WORTH THE DEAL, BUT I THINK TWEAKING, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SIGNING A CONTRACT EQUIPMENT ON THEIR BUS, WHICH WAS THE ISSUE I HAD. 
          UH, AND THEN HE MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO PASS SOME KIND OF ORDINANCE OURSELF. 
          I DUNNO WHAT, WHAT INVOLVES THAT? WELL, ORDINANCE, I GUESS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY WANTED TO BE HERE AT THIS MEETING TODAY. 
          AND I JUST, I DIDN'T WANT BE HERE, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW Y'ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN PROBABLY INVITE EM TO A MEETING. 
          THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK THIS OVER AND WRITE DOWN SOME QUESTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          I THINK ON THAT UNIT TOO, WE PARK OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL AND WE HAVE CONTROL OF THAT. 
          SO I WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          WE HAVE THAT VEHICLE SIGNED TO US. 
          WE GONNA PARK IT OUT THERE. 
          UH, I SAID WE, OUR, OUR CONTRACT. 
          WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR THE CONSTABLE OR THE SCHOOL? I, WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION IF THEY APPROACHED THE SHERIFF, THEY SAID THEY HAD TALKED TO THE CONSTABLE, HE AGREED TO DO IT, IS WHAT I WAS SAYING. 
          THAT'D PROBABLY BE THE BEST. 
          THAT WAY EACH CONSTABLE IN EACH PRECINCT CAN MOVE IT WITHIN THEIR SCHOOLS IN THAT PRECINCT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME. 
          THEY TOLD ME THAT THIS COMPANY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 
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MOVING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND THEY JUST GONNA DO THAT. 
          THEY JUST GOING TO DO THIS IN KAUFMAN OR IS IT GONNA BE IN COMBINE IN GRAND MAYBANK? I THINK STARTING HERE ONTARIO, I THINK IT WOULD, UH, THE IDEA I'M SURE THESE COMPANIES WOULD LIKE IS FOR IT TO BE COUNTYWIDE AGAIN, SINCE THE COUNTY'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN IMPLEMENT MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          BUT BEFORE WE GO STICK A, A MOVABLE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERA OVER IN NEY OR KEMP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'VE GOT SOME WORK WE'VE GOTTA DO. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME CONTACT WORK NEED, DO THE CITY OF KEMP OR CITY OF TERRELL OR WHATEVER TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'D WANNA PUT THEM SOMEPLACE WANT, I I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCHOOL DISTRICT NOT WANTING THIS TO BE HONEST WITH, UH, I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GONNA BE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY THIS BRINGS TO THE SCHOOL ZONE. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT BUSED THROUGH SCHOOLS ZONE. 
          YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE TALK TO THE SCHOOL YEAH. 
          DISTRICTS IN EACH CITY IN THE MOVE FORWARD, SOMETHING THAT'S IRRELEVANT. 
          YEAH. 
          HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INVITE THESE FOLKS IN AND INVITE SCHOOLS AND THE CITIES AT THE SAME TIME SO WE ALL HEAR THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE ALL HEAR THE SAME THING. 
          AND THEN MAKE A DECISION, YOU KNOW, WORKSHOP. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND JUST, AND THEN WHAT WE NEED TO, EVERYBODY AFTER YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS, YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WRITE DOWN THEIR QUESTIONS AND SEE WHAT IT'S NEW. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BRAND NEW AND UH, IT'S, UH, AGAIN, JUST IT'S, I KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME, DO WE KNOW WHERE THERE'S SOME, THESE THINGS ARE OPERATING NOW SOME PLACES I KNOW THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN SEVERAL STATES, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN TEXAS, I DON'T THINK. 
          BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO GO GO, YOU KNOW, BACK CHANNELS OF THOSE AGENCIES. 
          YES. 
          WHERE THEY'RE WORKING. 
          LET'S SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, DAY TO DAY OPERATING RESULTS ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT DALLAS COUNTY ON THE SCHOOL BUS, PASSING THE SCHOOL BUS. 
          UH, THEY HAD A TRIAL THEY MAY HAVE UNDERSTAND WHAT DALLAS COUNTY IS EITHER DOING IT OR TRIAL RUN ON THE SCHOOL BUS CAMP WHERE DON'T RUN THE CAMERA COMES ON AND ONE COMES AT PASS. 
          I KNOW, UH, SEAN, WHEN, WHEN SEAN, NOT SEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S HIS DEPUTY? DAN? YEAH. 
          UH, HE SAID THEY HAD JUST MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, THE, THE BUS GUY AND THEY WERE HAVING A, A REAL BAD PROBLEM ON 27, 20 SEVENTH. 
          AND UH, THINK ONE OF THEM WAS ACTUALLY GONNA RIDE ON THE BUS AND UH, AND THEN SEAN OR SOMEBODY WAS GONNA BE DOWN THE WAY AND STOP THE CAR. 
          AND THEN BECAUSE OF THAT OFFICER, UH, DANIEL, YOU KNOW, HE SAW IT, WELL THEN HE COULD WRITE A CITATION RIGHT THERE. 
          BUT HE SAID IT VARIES, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO THAT. 
          AND UH, AND I THINK THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, OVER IT WAS REALLY A PROBLEM FOR WHATEVER REASON ON 27, 27. 
          AND I REALLY THINK WHAT THE REASON IT BECOME MORE OF A PROBLEM, BUT THEY PROBABLY WASN'T HAVE BECAUSE OF ALL THE CELL PHONES AND THE TEXTING, DISTRACTIONS, ALL THE DISTRACTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO THEY RIDE WITH THEM, THEY NEED TO RIDE WITH THEM ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON. 
          YEAH. 
          LOTS OF CUSTOMERS. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE DRIVE CRAZY, GET OFF EARLY, THEY READY TO GET COUNTY. 
          Y'ALL NOTICED THAT TOO. 
          WELL, IS IT WORTH PURSUING AT LEAST GETTING, COME MAKE THE PRESENTATION? I WOULD THINK SO. 
          LIKE I SAID, HAVING ALL THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND REPRESENTATIVE WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          MAKE THE PRESENTATION, TRY TO GET THAT SET UP. 
          I KAMAN MIGHT EVEN, WHICH IS A LITTLE LARGER AND PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER AUDIO VIEW. 
          WE LOOKED AT TOM. 
          DO YOU, YOU THINK ABOUT YEAH. 
          BELIEVE SO. 
          YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT SAVES ONE KID'S LAUGH OR VINCE NEXT, IT'S, IT'S WORTH. 
          WELL, AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER OTHER THING I GOT THINKING ABOUT IS ALSO IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE INSTANCES WHERE KIDS GET, YOU KNOW, THE GIRL, LITTLE GIRL IN GREEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE GOT OFF THE BUS AND, YOU KNOW, HAD A, HAD A CAMERA MAYBE BEEN ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUS, IT MIGHT HAVE SHOWN MORE, UH, OF WHAT HAPPENED THAN, UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE INTO THE DEPUTY YEAH. 
          WAS KILLED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME OTHER ADVANTAGES 
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OF IT, EVEN IN SCHOOL ZONE WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT GOES THROUGH A SCHOOL ZONE AND UH, UH, MAYBES A KID OR SOMETHING. 
          I MEAN THERE, THERE ARE SOME PLUSES TO IT. 
          MY DEAL IS SAVE ONE KID'S LIFE, I OUGHT, AND I THINK BECAUSE I'M JUST SCATTER SHOOTING AGAIN, KIND LIKE A WEIGHT GUY. 
          CONSTABLES DON'T HAVE AN AUTHORITY ON THE STATE COURT, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY HAVE A FULL OFF AUTHORITY ON THE, UH, WEIGHT ON THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ENFORCEMENT. 
          IF IT'S A COUNTYWIDE UH, OPERATION, IT'S GOTTA BE FOR THEM TO HAVE COUNTYWIDE AUTHORITY ON THAT. 
          IT HAS TO BE A SHERIFF'S TASK FORCE. 
          I HAVE TO BE, THAT'S TO BE IN MY NAME AND I DON'T GET THAT AUTHORITY. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY THING I KNOW OF LICENSE I THINKING. 
          I BET THIS IS ON FOLDER AT THE SAME TIME. 
          IT MAY BE ON THE, THAT'S SOME QUIRK IN THAT LAW. 
          YEAH. 
          COMFORTABLE TO DO IT IN HIS PRECINCT, BUT WE DON'T WORK COUNTYWIDE LIKE WE DO IT HERE THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE. 
          SHERIFF'S OFFICE TEST. 
          I THINK THEY TOLD US ONE OF OUR CLASSES WAS THAT A CONSTABLE COULD ENFORCE WEIGHTS ON COUNTY RECORDS, BUT THEY COULDN'T DO IT ON STATE RECORDS. 
          MAYBE I'M NOT UP ON THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE. 
          I NEVER DID THAT. 
          WHICH IS OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL GET US SOMETHING LINED UP AND PROBABLY WAIT TIME ESPECIALLY THAT'S, I LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY WHERE GUARANTEE THAT AT LEAST LOOK AT IT. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          UH, JOHN, LET'S GO BACK UP TO, OKAY, IF I CAN SIT HERE. 
          SURE. 
          WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO, TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE INDEBTED TO THE COUNTY AND THE POLICY TO ENFORCE. 
          UM, NOW WE GET TO SOME THE SPECIFICS, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED, UH, WAS, LEMME FLIP THIS AND FRAME THIS. 
          IF, UH, IF YOU ALL HAD A PRIVATE BUSINESS AND, UH, Y'ALL WERE THE OWNERS OF THAT BUSINESS, UM, A RULE LIKE THIS WOULD ALMOST LAUGHABLE BECAUSE YOU THINK, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE THAT OWE US MONEY. 
          THEY NEED TO RESOLVE THAT FIRST AND, AND THEN WE CAN DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. 
          AND SO IN THAT SENSE IT'S LIKE, WELL, GEE, THIS, THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          UH, SINCE THE COUNTY IS FREE TO DO BUSINESS WITH. 
          IT ALSO, UH, IS IS FREE TO DECIDE IF YOU ARE INDEBTED TO THE COUNTY, NOT IF YOU HAVE EXXON OR MOBILE PAYMENTS OR LEASE OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE INDEBTED TO THE COUNTY, THEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SET UP RULES THAT RESTRICT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU UNTIL IT'S EITHER RESOLVED, UM, FULL PAYMENT OR BY PAYMENT, SO FORTH. 
          AND SO THE QUESTIONS BECOME, I GUESS THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BECOME, AS I LOOK AT THIS, IS, UH, IS THE FOLLOWING ONE, DOES THIS INCLUDE PROPERTY TAXES? BECAUSE, AND, AND IT DOES INCLUDE TAXES. 
          AND TWO, HOW LATE ON TAXES COULD SOMEONE BE? BECAUSE WE KNOW PROPERTY TAXES COME UP EVERY YEAR AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW LATE IT'S THAT THEY'RE NOT PAID BY THAT MORNING, IS THAT TOO LATE? ARE THEY FALL ON THE NAUGHTY LIST? UM, IT MAY BE THE DECISION OF THE COURT THAT, UM, THAT SOMEONE, THOSE DEPARTMENT TAX WOULD NEED TO ENTER INTO STATUS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR WOULD NEED TO BE THE STATUS THAT, THAT IT'S BEING REFERRED TO OUTSIDE COUNTY. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT AS YOU SET UP SPECIFIC RULES AND SAY THE FOLLOWING IS GOING TO CONSTITUTE INDEBTED TO THE COUNTY, I THINK WOULD BE ANYONE THAT HAS FINES THAT ARE OUTSTANDING, ANY COURT AWARDS OR JUDGMENTS AND ANY, UH, BOND FORFEITURES AND I MEAN SIMPLY FROM, UH, FROM, FROM DEFENDANTS IN CASES, BUT, UH, LAWYERS CAN RELATE BONDS AS WELL. 
          AND, AND UH, AND I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO RESTRICT THOSE TOO MUCH LIKE SAY WAY FINDS OVER A HUNDRED DOLLARS, $200. 
          I MEAN LET'S, LET'S 
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MAKE PEOPLE GO CLEAN IT UP. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT OCCURS TO ME IN PASSING THIS THAT YOU HAVE PASSED THE POLICY AND WON'T, UH, PASS A SET OF SPECIFIC RULES IS THAT I THINK THIS SHOULD BE PROMULGATED TO OTHER FOLKS IN THE COUNTY, SUCH AS THE COUNTY, UH, COURT OF LAW JUDGES AND DISTRICT COURT JUDGES AND, AND ADVISE THEM, THIS IS THE COUNTY POLICY. 
          THIS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO DO. 
          WE'RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO, UH, ONLY DO BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE THAT, THAT DO NOT OWE THE COUNTY MONEY. 
          AND THAT IT'S NOT DIRECTED TOWARD ONE PERSON. 
          IT'S JUST CAN A COMMON SENSE POLICY. 
          LIKE I SAY, IF YOU ARE A COMPANY, YOU'D SAY, WELL, WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAS, IF WE HAVE A JUDGMENT AGAINST THEM, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY BUSINESS WITH THEM. 
          WELL, THAT'S JUST WHAT THIS IS. 
          AND, AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT IN MY, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS EMBEDDED TO THE COUNTY, WHAT ARE THOSE SUBCATEGORIES? AND PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF, OF PROPERTY TAXES, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, UH, ARE, ARE NOT AS CURRENT ON YOUR TAXES, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW LATE IS, HOW LATE IS A LIST LIKE THIS. 
          AND SO AS I RUN THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT Y'ALL AGREE WITH ME ON THE IDEA OF, UH, COURT COSTS AND FINES, THE PEOPLE THAT OWE THAT MONEY THAT, THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD NOT, UM, SHOULD, SHOULD NOT ENTER INTO CONTRACTS AS WELL AS, UH, COURT JUDGMENT. 
          THE COUNTY HAS A COURT JUDGMENT AGAINST INTO NEW CONTRACTS. 
          JOHN, I JUST PASSED OUT THIS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, AND I THINK THERE'S AN EXTRA COPY. 
          DID YOU GET, DID TOM GIVE YOU THE UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HAVE, I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NOW WE'VE WE'VE RAN THE ADVERTISEMENTS IN THE YES. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT THAT WAS THE FIRST THING YOU HAD TO DO. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU'VE DONE THAT, YOU'VE PASSED THE COURT ORDER AND, AND I THINK THE, THE FINAL STEP IS HERE ARE THE SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE THIS, AND, AND, AND THEN COUNT PROB OBJECT LIST WILL BE GENERATED AND WILL BE APPROACH. 
          HERE'S THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST THAT, UH, THAT ARE THIS WAY. 
          HOW WILL EMPLOYEES BE EXCLUDED FROM THIS? WOULD THAT BE EXPLICIT? WELL, UH, ARE, ARE, THEY'RE EXCLUDED JUST, JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT YOU'RE NOT ENTERING IN THEIR EMPLOYEES ALREADY. 
          SO, SO IF FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT WORK FOR YOU THAT OWE PROPERTY TAXES, YOU'RE NOT ENTERING INTO CONTRACTS WITH THEM. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS THE COUNTY ENTERING INTO CONTRACTS LIKE PURCHASING OR, OR OTHER PARTIES. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF, BUT, BUT, BUT I, BUT I'LL NOTE THAT, THAT IF IT EXCLUDES ALL, ALL EMPLOYEES FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP, IF EMPLOYEES ARE SAYING, HEY, I'D LIKE TO BID ON THIS TOO. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SWITCHING GEARS, YOU'RE NOT SWITCHING. 
          SO, SO, SO SPECIFICALLY IF, UH, IF WE COMMUNICATED THIS, UH, ONCE WE FORMALLY ADOPT THIS AND WE, UH, UH, COMMUNICATE THIS TO, UH, OUR JUDGES, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE TWO COUNTY COURT OF LAW AND THE TWO DISTRICT JUDGES. 
          YES. 
          THEY COULD NOT APPOINT AN ATTORNEY TO A CASE THAT OWES US AN, THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD KIND OF DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK BECAUSE ONE, THEY'D BE PUT ON NOTICE THAT THEY'RE VIOLATING THE COUNTY POLICY AND THAT VERY LIKELY THE AUDITOR WOULD NOT RECEIVE APPROVAL TO APPROVE IT THEIR MONIES. 
          SO IF THEY SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO POINT IN, WELL, PAYMENT WILL BE AN ISSUE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          UM, ONE, YOU GOING, IT, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT DOING IT TO OUT STAGE A PARTICULAR JUDGE OR A PARTICULAR NO, BUT THAT RAISES, THAT DOES RAISE A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I'M ASSUMING ALL THE JUDGES WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, WANT TO, BECAUSE Y'ALL, YOUR FUNDAMENTAL TEST IS YOUR STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND SO THIS IS MERELY AN EXTENSION OF THAT AND ASKING THEM TO ADHERE TO THE SAME POLICY THAT, UM, EVERYONE ELSE DOES. 
          WELL, IT WOULD GIVE, WELL, I GUESS TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO COMMUNICATE A LIST OF PEOPLE TO THE JUDGES MM-HMM . 
          THAT MAY OWE MONEY TO YES. 
          BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW. 
          THEY WOULD NOT KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S LIKE WE WILL KNOW. 
          UH, 
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SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE THEY WOULD UH, THAT'S TRUE. 
          TO BE SOME SORT WOULD BE PROSPECTIVE INSTEAD OF GUN LOCK COUNTY PUT IN PLACE. 
          YES. 
          BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A PERSON THAT OWES US, I THINK OVER 36,000 THAT I BELIEVE IS COURT ORDER. 
          BY COURT ORDER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT IS CONTINUING TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE COUNTY MM-HMM . 
          AND GETTING, WE PAID THAT PERSON. 
          UH, AND THAT JUST, YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT? THAT IS, THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN, IF I REFRAME IT AND SAY, THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS, YOU'RE RUNNING THE BUSINESS, YOU HAVE A JUDGMENT AGAINST SOMEONE AND, AND YOU'RE  AND SAY, WELL LET, LET'S FIRE THE PERSON THAT ENTERED IN. 
          I, I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST ILLOGICAL. 
          THAT'S JUST A DISCONNECT. 
          SO HOW WOULD YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE THING, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW IS JACK GONNA KNOW THAT, THAT I HAVEN'T PAID MY TRAFFIC TICKET SOMEWHERE, BUT HE'S GONNA LET ME DO BUSINESS WITH HIM? WELL, I, I'LL GIVE YOU, I I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. 
          IF I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IS THIS UNDER 2 62? JOHN? IF THIS IS YEAH, TWO 60. 
          MY INTERPRETATION, I'VE GOT, UH, WHEN, WHEN I READ 2 62, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FROM THE PURCHASING SIDE, UH, I ALWAYS INTERPRET THAT ALONG WITH MY COUNTERPARTS, THAT IF YOU'RE INDEBTED TO THE COUNTY, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A ROCK HAUL ROUTE WHILE BACK COUNTY MONEY MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          HE CONTINUE TO BID ON STUFF, UH, THAT I PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, SELL EQUIPMENT, HAUL ROCK, WHATEVER MM-HMM . 
          AND I, I WANT TO USE THAT AS A TOOL ONE TIME TO WHY WOULD WE TURN AROUND AND AWARD A CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, AND IF HE'D LOW BID AND GO THROUGH THAT HOOP, EXPLAIN WHY I DON'T WANT TO AWARD THAT PERSON. 
          SO I, I THOUGHT MORE PERTAINING TO THAT, UH, THAT NOT, WELL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PERTAIN TO THAT. 
          BUT IT, IT IS, IT, IT IT JUST IS, IS IS PUTTING, UH, COUNTY OFFICIALS ON NOTICE AND ALSO THE AUDITOR ON NOTICE THAT, THAT DON'T ISSUE CHECKS TO THESE PEOPLE. 
          BUT BEFORE SHE HAS THAT, AND THE FIRST STEP NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OF IDENTIFYING WHO THE PEOPLE ARE WHO'S GONNA FALL UNDER THAT LIST, AND THEN PROMULGATING THAT LIST AND THEN UPDATING THAT LIST. 
          AND THAT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE PROPERTY TAXES. 
          IF, IF THE COURT, IF THE COURT WANTS. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, THE MORE, I MEAN THIS DISCRETIONARY COST, DOES IT INCLUDE PROPERTY TAXES AND IF SO, HOW LATE IS LATE? YEAH. 
          OR IF IT'S 2, 2, 2 YEARS OR ONE YEAR PAST  OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALMOST BE UP BE VIABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ISN'T THAT KIND OF OPEN ENDED? YOU KNOW, I SAW IT AS A TOOL THAT, THAT UH, UH, THERE AGAIN, SOMEBODY ELSE MADE ACCOUNT. 
          I PUT OUT BID, I KNOW THEY OWE US MONEY MM-HMM . 
          AND THEY CAN BE LOW BID, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE PAYING THEM FOR SERVICE, BUT THEIR OWE OVER HERE. 
          SO GO TO COURT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT RECOMMENDATION. 
          IT'S NOT TO AWARD THIS VENDOR BECAUSE HE'S A DEBT OF THE COUNTY BASED ON THE FACT WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY, THEY, YEAH. 
          THAT VERY WELL COULD BEEN, IT MAY NOT HAVE TO BE A MICROMANAGED. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, JUST A BROAD, LIKE I SAY, IF JACK KNOWS THAT SOMEBODY OWES US MONEY, WELL, THERE AGAIN, THAT'S 2 62 IS IS RELATED TO PROCUREMENT. 
          SO I, YEAH. 
          SO I, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I PICKED UP ON. 
          IT MIGHT NOT HAVE TO BE A MICROMANAGED DEAL TICKET IF IT'S SOMETHING LARGE ENOUGH THAT, THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT. 
          NO, AND, AND IF IT'S THE COUNTY POLICY, THEN, THEN PEOPLE THAT ARE BIDDING, THEY'LL, WHAT WOULD, AND, AND A PERIOD OF TIME WOULD KNOW, I CAN'T BID ANYMORE. 
          I'M GONNA BE DISQUALIFIED. 
          BUT, BUT LET'S GO BACK TO THE JUDGES. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO KNOW, UH, THAT SOMEBODY MAY BE THERE POINTING TO A, YOU KNOW, AN INDIGENT CASE PERHAPS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AN ATTORNEY THAT THAT PERSON OWES US MONEY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I MEAN, WE, WE NEED TO BE, GIVE THEM SOME TOOL OR SOMETHING. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE  COUNTY BLACKLIST  YEAH. 
          OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKE PEOPLE THAT USED TO PUT HOT CHECKS UP ON THE WALL WHEN YOU GO IN , IT'S NOT A HOT CHECK, BUT IT'S A LIST OF FOLKS THAT ARE TO THE COUNTY. 
          AND, AND, AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THIS SUBSET OF THAT, WHAT ATTORNEYS WOULD BE ON THAT LIST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD DO IT BY BAR NUMBER OR SOMETHING. 
          A SMALLER, A SMALLER GROUP. 
          AND THE JUDGES MAY HAVE AN I DID THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE JUDGES ARE GOING LIKE, HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY, THEY 
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DON'T WANT APPOINT SOMEBODY. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE GOING US 36,000. 
          I HOPE NOT. 
          WELL, AND, AND, AND EVEN MORE, IF I WAS APPOINTED, I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE APPOINTED ON THE CASE WHERE THE COUNTY HAS ANNOUNCED AN ADVANCE IT WAS NOT GONNA PAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I WOULD WALKING OVER CLIFF AND KNOWING IT'S CLIFF, COULD YOU PUT SOMETHING JACK IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR, UH, RFPS OR WHATEVER THAT UH, THE APPLICANT CERTIFIES, IF THEY DON'T WANT COMAN COUNTY ANY MONEY, WE CAN'T, YOU WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE IF EVERY BUILDING IS CURRENT ON THEIR WHATEVER. 
          WE COULD HAVE IT IN THERE. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF IF YOU'RE NOT, COULD, COULD THE ATTORNEYS DO THE SAME THING WHEN THEY APPLY FOR, BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT OPERATING UNDER 2 62, HOW'S THAT APPLY? THIS UH, IF COMMISSIONER DID SOMETHING OUT HERE YEAH. 
          HE DIDN'T WORK ON A 2 62, IT WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS PROJECT OR SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THERE WOULD BE A GENERAL LIST GENERATED SAYING THE FOLLOWING 20 COMPANIES ARE INDEBTED TO THE COUNTY AND PAST DUE BEYOND 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER. 
          SEE, SEE, I WOULDN'T SEE, I WOULDN'T SEE THE JUDGE'S STUFF. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE ALL KIND THING, BUT I WOULDN'T SEE IT. 
          IT'S NOT A  STUFF. 
          WE COULD ACTUALLY GO OUT AND THEY'RE GETTING BACK PURCHASE FROM SOMEBODY THAT HOW WOULD WE KNOW? YEAH. 
          WELL, AND UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK'S RAISED A GOOD POINT. 
          IF YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC TICKET, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO SAY, UH, COURT FINDS IN EXCESS OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT YEAH. 
          OF $250 OR FUNDING. 
          SO AT LEAST IT WOULD YOUR ATTENTION OF OH MY GOSH, YES. 
          SO IF WE PASS THIS ORDER, WE CAN DEVELOP, OH, WE, YOU'VE ALREADY PASSED THIS ORDER. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE RULES PARTICULAR. 
          AND, AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THE FIRST ISSUE IS, UH, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT PROPERTY TAX AND HOW LATE WE INCLUDE AND, AND IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, SUGGESTION TO INCLUDE PROPERTY TAX, BUT TO DECIDE IT'S EITHER AT THE POINT THAT IT'S DECLARED UNTIL THAT MATTER. 
          SO THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE COULD START ENFORCING THIS BECAUSE I, NO, IT HASN'T BEEN PASSED. 
          I DIDN'T, I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT HAD BEEN ABOUT, ANGIE SAID WE HAVEN'T PASSED IT 'CAUSE Y'ALL TABLED IT. 
          'CAUSE YOU WANTED A WAY TO ENFORCE IT BEFORE YOU PASSED IT. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED. 
          IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED, IT'S BEEN ED, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED. 
          WE ADOPTED IT. 
          SO I THINK THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT WHAT, HOW, HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN YOU PASS THIS, WHAT YOU, I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO BE TOO, AS PART OF THIS, INSTEAD OF TWO STEP DEALS, JUST A ONE STEP DEAL. 
          YOU'RE PASSING THIS AND YOU'RE SAYING, HERE'S THE RULES. 
          AND THE RULES INCLUDE PROPERTY TAXES AT A CERTAIN POINT, FINES, COURT COSTS, UH, COURT ORDER JUDGE FUNDS. 
          AND I SUPPOSE THE JUDGES, BEFORE SOMEONE IS APPOINTED, THEY COULD ASK, DO YOU OWE CALL COUNTY MONEY? I GUESS COULD THEY? SURE. 
          BUT WHY CAN'T, AND THAT THE ATTORNEYS COME IN, FILL OUT A PIECE OF PAPERWORK THAT'S LIKE, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE IT ON FILE. 
          AND IF JACK HAS SOMEBODY THAT'S QUESTIONABLE ON WHAT HE CAN USE, LORI, OR ADMIT TO RUN IT ON THAT LEXI NEXUS TO FIND OUT ALL ABOUT IT, JACK, THEY'RE GONNA SEE WHAT THE JUDGES DO. 
          COMMISSIONER, I DON'T, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT WE HELP YOU IF YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT'S BIDING FOR ONE OF OUR DEALS AND YOU CAN'T FIND OUT EVERYTHING, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT BIDDING ON ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I I'M GONNA TELL A DISTRICT JUDGE, WHICH BY WAY A BOARD MEMBER OF MINE, THAT HE CAN'T HIRE SOMEBODY. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO NO, NO. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT I GUESS WHAT'S WHAT'S COME UP IS THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE PURCHASE, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THE EXTENT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING BELOW THE PURCHASING AMOUNT. 
          AND THE JUDGES OF IT NEEDS TO BE TOLD US PRO HELP DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE WORKERS WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL APPEAR FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE COUNTY, 5,000 I, THE FINES BE A HIGH ENOUGH NUMBER WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT ME NOT PAYING MY TOP TICKET. 
          I MEAN, WOULDN'T BE A HIGH ENOUGH NUMBER WOULD, WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. 
          I KNOW THAT I'VE GOT A 2000 DWI TICKET I'VE GOT TODAY OR SOMETHING, 500 OR, AND THEN ON THE PROPERTY TAXES, LIKE I WOULD NOT SEE THAT BE AT THE VERY END. 
          WOULD, IT'S NOT EVEN UP FOR DISCUSSION ANYMORE, ONCE PASSED. 
          WELL, WOULD THAT BE, WE'RE STILL ARGUING ABOUT IT. 
          I THINK. 
          I, I DON'T THINK I, WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE PAST THAT STAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WOULD IT BE AT THE POINT THAT IT'S SENT TO SAY 
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LINE BAR FOR COLLECTIONS? THAT MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER WE COULD USE AND THAT'S AFTER ALL NEGOTIATIONS ARE OVER WITH THEM, OR IT'S SENT TO THE, UH, ON FINES, FIND SOME FEES, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THE SAME THING I GUESS SINCE THEM TOO. 
          WELL I FIRST HAD IN MIND THAT, THAT WHENEVER A PENALTY, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, PENALTY STARTS IN, UH, FEBRUARY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          FEBRUARY, MARCH, AND IT GOES TO COLLECTIONS APRIL 1ST, RIGHT? BUSINESS PROPERTY, IT DOES ALL BUSINESS, PROPERTY, BUSINESS, PROPERTY. 
          BUT ON THE, UH, REGULAR, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNER, IT'S JULY THE FIRST IS WHENEVER IT COMES OFFICIALLY, UH, DE HONOR, WOULD YOU SAY THIS BEING BORN IN A, SOMETHING WE'RE BRINGING TO COURT, IF I'M BRINGING YOU RECOMMENDING AN AWARD TO SOMEBODY AND THE, AND THE COURT RECOGNIZES SOMEBODY ELSE'S ACCOUNTING MONEY, SO THEY DON'T ALLOW THE AWARD. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, IT, IT, JACK, I THINK IT COULD COME UP THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT COULD BE, IT, IT AS, AS YOU HAD INDICATED, IT COULD BE, UH, THE EXCUSE OR REASON RATHER, UH, FOR SAYING THIS BID IS NOT GOING TO BE UNACCEPTABLE BID BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO VIOLATE THE COUNTY POLICY. 
          OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT EVEN COME UP. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S MY POINT BECAUSE THAT PROCESS, I GUESS I PROBABLY NOT FAILED TO EXPLAIN. 
          WELL, BUT I'M BRINGING STUFF THAT'S ON THE PURCHASING SIDE. 
          WE HAVE TO BRING IT TO COURT TO AWARD A CONTRACT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE JUDGES MAY BE IN A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE OR WHATEVER THAT I NEVER SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE COURT WOULD NEVER SEE IT. 
          THE JUDGE CAN BE DOING ALL KIND OF THINGS, UH, AND IN THEIR COURSE OF WORK THAT THE COURT WILL SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM . 
          SO REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE OTHER THAN WHAT GOES THROUGH THE PERSON DEPARTMENT IS THE JUDGE BASICALLY KEN FILL OUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE A YEAR IT CAN FALL UNDER US TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE, WE NEGOTIATE A LOT OF OUR CONTRACTS, NOT CONTRACTS, BUT OUR DEALER PURCHASES INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          A OF COURSE I SIMPLE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, VERBALLY, BUT I MEAN, THEY MIGHT NOT ANSWER THING, JUST NEED THEM SIGN IT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          STATING THAT THEY DON'T OWE A CAN MONEY. 
          SO FROM, SO BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAX. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROPERTY TAX COULD BE PHRASED AS, UH, OWE PROPERTY TAXES PAST THE, UH, DISPUTE PROCESS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT DISPUTE IT. 
          THAT'S THE DISPUTE PROCESS AND FINAL DETERMINATION OF VALUE BECAUSE YOU GOTTA GUILTY UNTIL ALL THAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? HE MAY HAVE A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT DISTRICT. 
          SO WHAT I MEAN, AND, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, IF SOMEONE WAS IN THAT STAGE, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THEY COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, THIS WHERE I'M THIS, IT'S MY OPINION NOT INDEBTED. 
          YOU KNOW, I'LL THE TAXES. 
          THIS IS, IF I HIRED, UH, BB CONCRETE SIMPLY RAISE POS A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I HIRED BB CONCRETE A 900 JOB. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND GOES BACK WHAT, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY DON'T NOT, YOU'D ASK THEM WHATEVER, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY DON'T. 
          WHAT IF THEY DO, WHAT'S, WHAT'S REPERCUSSION ON ME? WHAT IF THEY, YOU ASK THEM AND THEY SAY THEY DON'T? WHAT'S ON LIST FROM WHO WOULD, I GUESS THE OFFICER'S OFFICE, I GUESS, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? FROM? WHO WOULD RUN THE LIST TO YEAH, WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THE LIST OF TED VENDORS? THE TAX, WE HAVE A VENDORS' LIST. 
          WE COULD JUST CHECK THE VENDOR FOR THE TAXES. 
          THE, THE AUDITOR WOULD KNOW. 
          CLERK WOULD FINES THE FEES AND CLERK WOULD FINES THE FEES. 
          I MEAN, AUDITOR, HOW WOULD AUDITOR KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A DIS NOT BEEN PAID? I MEAN, IF YOU GOT A, IF A COURT ISSUES A TICKET OR CITATION, THEY DON'T PAY AUTHOR ON THAT. 
          NO, I MEAN A CLERK WOULD, WOULDN'T IT? SO FOR THE COURTS, IT WOULD'VE TO BE THE COUNTY COURT, THE DISTRICT CLERK FROM THE PROPERTY OF TEXAS WOULD'VE TO BE, COULD USE ZIP, WHOLE THING HAVE TO PUT JP 
          [02:10:02]
JUST PROBATION, YOUR HONOR. 
          IS THIS A TOOL TO KEEP FROM DOING BUSINESS OR IS IT SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT DO BUSINESS? SOMEBODY DID IT, IT IT'S A GOING FORWARD TYPE THING. 
          IT'S NOT TO STOP ANYTHING THAT'S, IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT I MEAN, I GUESS I SAY IS IT, IS IT A REASON NOT TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY? YES. 
          OR ARE WE SAYING YES THAT WE CANNOT DEAL WITH SOMEBODY? WHAT'S THE GOAL? THE, THE GOAL IS TO SET UP THE RULES THAT IF, IF YOU HIT THIS PARTICULAR MARK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO BUSINESS. 
          WE, WE'VE ALREADY ANNOUNCED IT IN ADVANCE. 
          WE CAN BUSINESS. 
          SO WE WOULD BE YOU CANNOT YEAH. 
          WITH THEM NOT, YOU KNOW, SO FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME UP? AND, AND I THINK THAT WHEN SOME COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETINGS, THERE WAS A QUESTION FURTHER PARTICULAR CITY OF THE PROPERTY TAXES. 
          AND SO THE COURT I THINK DELAYED THE CONSIDERATION THAT 'CAUSE A CITY WOULD FALL UNDER THE DEFINITION OF A PERSON AND THAT ISSUE'S RESOLVED. 
          SO THAT ISSUE WON'T COME UP. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN RAISED IN HERE IS WHO WOULD CALL MASTER. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A HARD THING. 
          THAT'D BE A FULL YEAH. 
          IN REAL TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IT COULD CHANGE SOMEBODY IN THE MORNING, BUT I, I STILL THINK IT'S WORTH, WE NEED TO GIVE SOME WAY TO, IF I OWED YOU $5,000 FOR GRAVE AND I CALLED YOU UP AND SAY, I NEED A COUPLE MORE LOADS OF GRAVE THAN MY FARM, EVEN THOUGH I STILL OWE THAT 5,000, I, I'M GONNA PAY YOU. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND BRINGING, YOU PROBABLY WOULD'VE ME MY, OKAY. 
          COD. 
          YEAH. 
          I PICK UP THE CHECK ON THAT SECOND CI DUNNO WHY WE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO. 
          IT'S JUST GOING BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET ALL THE DIFFERENT YEAH. 
          WITH, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERYDAY $600 IN PROPERTY TAXES OR WHATEVER. 
          MAYBE IF YOU HAD A DOLLAR AMOUNT OR SOMETHING, YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT, YOU COULD SAY ANYONE INDEBTED THAT THE COUNTY INCLUDES ANY MATTERS THAT WERE $5,000 OR $10,000. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT WOULD, AND SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT CHILD SUPPORT AND I SAID, WELL, CHILD SUPPORT, WELL CHILD SUPPORT IS BETWEEN COUPLES. 
          I DUNNO THAT THAT'S INDEBTED TO THE COUNTY EXCEPT FOR COURT COSTS, BUT THE COURT COSTS AND THEN PROBABLY WOULD BE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS I THINK. 
          I WOULDN'T THINK SAID AT 5,000 OR SOMETHING. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY OWE $4,500, YOU STILL GONNA DO BUSINESS WITH 'EM. 
          I, WE ABOUT THE MINI SKILLS, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT LEAVE $4,500 ON THE, WELL, MAYBE, I WOULD THINK, I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, 1500 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR A THOUSAND THOUSAND WHAT IT CUT OUT WOULD BE GOT A LOT OF OTHER STUFF THAT, WHICH THEY'RE GONNA BE, HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM IN PLACE NOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY ANYWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, BUT, AND WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO IT. 
          I'VE GOT LUNCH, I'VE GOTTA GO TO 1130, BUT IS CAN WE HAVE THIS ADOPTED? WE MEET AGAIN ON NOVEMBER THE 25TH, WHICH IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WEEK THANKSGIVING. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU THINK WE CAN YES. 
          HERE'S WHAT I'LL DO BECAUSE I'LL SEND OUT SOMETHING, UH, BY THE END OF THIS WEEK SAYING, HERE'S KIND OF THE PARAMETERS AND, AND I THOUGHT OUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          I DON'T CARE. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T GET A COMMISSION ON CAN WE JUST SAY THAT? I MEAN, NEED TO AND YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IF, IF, IF WHAT YOU WANT IS, IS, IS BASE LEVEL DEAL WITH A LOT THERE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPERTY TAXES, YES. 
          IT'S GONNA FALL AND YOU COULD EVEN SET YOU, YOU CAN EVEN SET THE PROPERTY TAXES AT A HIGHER LEVEL UNLESS YOU PROPERTY TAXES FALL THAT HAVE PASSED THE DISPUTE HAVE BEEN DECLARED DELINQUENT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FINAL TIMETABLE AND ARE IN EXCESS OF LINE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A SMALLER LIST AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          DID DOES THAT SOUND LIKE, LIKE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT I'M NOW HERE AS I HEAR MORE, IT'S NOT JUST 
          [02:15:01]
FRONT BUTTON. 
          SORRY, YOUR HONOR. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IF I, IF I ISSUE A BILL, SOMEBODY, THEY OWE SOME OF THE OWE THE COUNTY SHE, I A VIOLATING THE POLICY. 
          YOU'RE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE, IT NEEDS TO BE PUBLISHED. 
          HOW YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHO, WHO KNOWS UNLESS YOU'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH HIM BEFORE AS SPECIFIC WHILE I, WHILE I AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME RIGHT. 
          COUNTY, WHETHER IT BE A RESOLUTION OR POLICY, WE'RE NOT GONNA ANY MONEY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE WORKING OUT. 
          2 62 IS DIRECTLY RELATED IN PROCUREMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THE JUDGE APPOINT YOUR ATTORNEY, DO PROCUREMENT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          HOW WE, GOING BACK IN MY MIND THAT THE WHOLE INTENT OF THIS WHOLE, WHOLE SECTION WAS, WAS FOR THE PER SIDE TO COME TO COURT, SAY, HEY, THIS GUY'S LOW BID CONTINUED TO LOW BID, BUT HE DIDN'T PAY HIS BILLS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE WHOLE INTENT OF 2 62, UH, NOT FOR CURE ALL FOR THE COUNTY. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. 
          DOES. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO PULL WRE INTO IT. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          IT DOES. 
          IT DOES. 
          I'LL I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT AND I'LL LOOK INTO THAT. 
          I, I DON'T WANT SOME, I THINK CHUCK, UH, I DON'T WANT, CHUCK KIMBRO BROUGHT THIS UP AND HE'S LOOKED AT THIS. 
          I CHUCKS, BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I DON'T WANT ISSUE FILTER TO FIND THAT HE OWES IT FOR, I DUNNO ABOUT, I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH HIM. 
          I VIOLATED. 
          OKAY. 
          OFFICER. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          NO IDEA, HUH? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AS, AS, AS A GENERAL RULE THEN, ARE YOU'LL SAY, UM, PROPERTY TAXES ENDED DELINQUENT STAGE, POST ANY DISPUTE RESOLUTION, SET A MINIMUM AMOUNT, PROPERTY TAXES ON THE OTHER STEPS. 
          DID YOU SAY 1,015? YEAH, AND I, I JUST WITH A THOUSAND TAXES BECAUSE MOST TAXES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT THING, UH, THE, UH, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH LAURA, UH, ABOUT THIS GIVING RAISES ANY RAISE, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE, AND WE'RE GOING DO A, WE GONNA STUDY HOW TO MAYBE HAVE SOME SORT OF PAY PLAN IN PLACE BEFORE NEXT BUDGET YEAR OR BY NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          UH, THAT WILL HOPEFULLY TAKE CARE OF SOME YEARS. 
          UH, BUT IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN ADOPT AN ORDER THAT GIVES THE, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL, UH, THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE PAYROLL CHANGES AS THEY PROCEED FIT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION COURT AND DO THAT? UH, CAN WE DO THAT? OR IS THAT KIND OF A NUMBER? PARDON? IS THAT KIND OF A BEND AROUND OF, UH, BUDGET? WELL, I THINK WE MAYBE AS A LINE ITEM TRANSFER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE DO EVERY MEETING IT AND GUYS, SPEAK UP NOW BECAUSE I DON'T MISS, I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK ON THIS, BUT IT, IT BOTHERS ME. 
          WE GIVE THE DEPARTMENTS ELECTED AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          IF IT'S LEGAL, THEY GO THE PROPER AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, EACH YEAR DIFFERENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THEY HAVE, BUT IT SURE CUTS OUT A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO DO THAT. 
          UH, I MEAN, TO WANNA REWARD SOMEBODY FOR DOING SOMETHING WITHOUT HAVING TO COME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND GET OUR BLESSING TO DO THAT. 
          UH, MAYBE WE JUST DO IT THROUGH A LINE TRANSFER. 
          I MEAN, I, AND THE CASE IN POINT WAS JUDGE SMITH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          LAST, AND THIS HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST SEVERAL TIMES. 
          I MEAN, EVEN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS TRYING TO VIOLATE THE LAW OR ANYTHING. 
          IT WAS JUST MAYBE 
          [02:20:01]
JUST DIDN'T KNOW BETTER I YESTERDAY, AM I MISSTATING THAT BE SOME MECHANISM TO ADJUST SALARIES FOR, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO YEAH. 
          EXTRA QUALIFICATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, A DRIVER GETS A CDL AND BECOMES A LAID OFF LADDER TWO, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T KEEP HIM DOWN AT THIS LOW PAY SCALE IF YOU DON'T ADVANCE HIM, HE'S GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, GET A, GET A BETTER PAY FOR DOING THE SAME JOB HE DID FOR YOU. 
          SO, WELL, I STILL, IT STILL GIVES ME HEARTBURN OVER THE THING BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET SET, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA GO BY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'VE LEARNED. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TAUGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA GO BY. 
          IF YOU GOTTA MOVING THAT MONEY AROUND AND SAY, FOR INSTANCE, JUST TAKE MONEY OUTTA ROAD MATERIAL SO YOU CAN GIVE A GUY A RAISE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST, THAT DON'T MAKE, THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT A TRUE BUDGET. 
          AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE MONEY AROUND AND GIVE PEOPLE RAISES WHEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT'S NOT GETTING ANY RAISES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY DESERVE IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT IS UP TO THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. 
          SURE. 
          BUT, UH, BUT MACHINE HAVE TO LINE DOWN TRANSFER. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU GOT A GUY THAT QUITS IN THE MIDDLE OF YEAR, HE'LL REPLACE HIM. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU GOT THAT. 
          YOUR, BUT YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO GET RAISES WITH THAT? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE LINED DOWN. 
          SO COUNSEL, THAT'S WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR SOLUTION TO THAT? UM, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER MANNING, UH, BE, BECAUSE CANDIDLY, I, I THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT DO NOT TAKE THE BUDGET PROCESS SERIOUSLY. 
          UM, AND WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, I MET WITH DIFFERENT OFFICIALS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WOULD SHOW ME THE BUDGET AND SAY EVERYTHING BELOW THIS I CONSIDER ELASTIC, AND THEN I CAN MOVE IT AROUND. 
          AND I THOUGHT, WELL, WHY DIVIDE IT UP INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES? AND IT'S NOT ELASTIC. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT SAYS THIS AND SO IT MEANS THAT, AND YOU SHOULD EITHER SPEND IT ON THAT OR, OR IT SHOULD BE THERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          SO, SO, SO I THINK WITH SOME FOLKS, THERE IS A DISCONNECT. 
          AND I THINK THE WAY TO RECONCILE IT ALL OF HOW YOU SPIN IT ON, ON EMPLOYEES IS, IS JUST THAT IS THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE MOVING INTO SOMETHING A FOR SOMETHING OR FOR ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF FREEDOM, BUT, BUT, BUT FREEDOM TOO IS, IS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE SECURITY WORK THAT MUCH FREEDOM, YOU GET THIS, YOU GET BONUS. 
          WELL TAKE FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WHEN I CAME TO THE OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD $1,500 IN MY COVER BUDGET, AND I THINK AS OF THE END OF THE YEAR, WE SPENT 20 SOMETHING THOUSAND WE HAD FOR BROADEN OUT. 
          WE HAD TO REPLACE IT. 
          WELL, IF YOU CAN'T MOVE MONEY FROM ONE ITEM TO THE OTHER. 
          AND THEN I HAD SO MANY, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT RETIRED, UH, I HAD, BECAUSE I COULDN'T REPLACE 'EM, WE HAD SUCH BIG PAYOUTS ON THE RETIREMENT, UM, VACATION COMP TIME AND ALL THAT. 
          I HAD MONEY LEFT OVER IN HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE I DID NOT, I COULD NOT REPLACE ALL MY 15, UH, PEOPLE THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I HAD MONEY LEFT OVER FROM HEALTH INSURANCE THAT I COULD USE ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL ABOUT HAVING TO LIVING JUST FOR STANCES LIKE THAT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN EVERY ELECTION CYCLE, YOU KNOW, HAPPEN DURING REGULAR YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YEAH. 
          AND YOU COME TO COURT AND YOU SAY IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT IN FAIRNESS TO YOU OFFICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S, I I WAS THINKING OF EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE I HAD SPOKEN TO. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS THEIR OWN CREATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, WHAT WAS JUST THE STARTING POINT? WELL, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE POINT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, A BUDGET IS AN ESTIMATE AT BEST. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          ITS AN EDUCATED ESTIMATE BASED OFF THE BEST FACTS WE HAVE AT THE TIME. 
          BUT BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH THE BUDGET YEAR, WE, IT'S CHANGED. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THINGS HAPPEN. 
          DON'T EXPECT. 
          SO YOUR AND, AND GETTING PERFECT. 
          SO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION IS, IS THERE A MECHANISM BY WHICH BEFORE ALL THIS, 
          [02:25:01]
THAT DEPARTMENT HEADS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN MOVE FOR EMPLOYEES? AND I THINK, I THINK WE ARE COMMITTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO AFFORD THE BUDGET YEAR, HAVE A PAY SYSTEM PAID IN PLACE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, BUT IT JUST, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS ANYWAY. 
          I MEAN, IN THE PAST, I CAN GIVE EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE WHERE SALARIES HAVE CHANGED JUST DURING THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          AND, UH, SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT HAVE HAPPENED. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF 'EM WERE JUST BLANKET, YOU KNOW, OR THEY DIDN'T DEVELOP A DECISION OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY WERE DONE. 
          AND, UH, BY AN ELECTED FISHER AND BY MORE THAN ONE ELECTED FISHER, BUY SEVERAL OF, UH, BUT I JUST WISH THERE WAS SOME, WE COULD MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO DO WITHOUT EVERY, MAYBE NOT EVERY MEETING, BUT QUITE OFTEN HAVING ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE TO COME AND, UH, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN ALL THE, THE DETAILS OF IT. 
          AND, UH, AND, BUT IT, AND IT DEVELOPS INTO A MORALE PROBLEM AS WELL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO ABOUT THAT. 
          IF, IF THERE'S A NEED, IF ONE OF THESE GUYS HAVE A NEED THAT THEY NEED TO REWARD SOMEBODY WITH, UH, UH, ANOTHER POSITION OR MORE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY OR SOMETHING, I JUST THINK THEY OUGHT BE ABLE TO DO HELL. 
          BUT I, SO WHAT IS THE FLEXIBILITY? FLEXIBILITY, AND MAYBE IT CAN BE JUST AS A MATTER OF ROUTINE FOOD LINE ITEM TRANSFER. 
          YOU CAN'T RAISE THEM UP WHEN SHE COME TO COURT. 
          KNOW WE DO THOSE EVERY, EVERY MONTH. 
          I WISH, I WISH KAREN'S HERE. 
          SHE'S HOME SICK TODAY, BUT, UH, I, IT, IT PUTS PAYROLL, IT PUTS HER OFFICE AND I MEAN, IT PUTS THE COMMISSIONERS KIND OF, IT'S LIKE THE THING JUDGE SMITH LAST MONTH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WOULD IF HE FELT IT PERSONALIZES THINGS THAT, THAT Y'ALL AREN'T NECESSARILY PERSONALLY INVOLVED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF YOU'VE GOT MONEY IN, IN A, IN A LINE PART-TIME HELP, AND YOU COME TO COURT AND ASK ME, YOU KNOW, ONE MONTH INTO THE BUDGET YEAR, SAY, WELL, I WANT, I, I DON'T NEED ANY PARTTIME HELP. 
          I DON'T GIVE THIS GUY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT JUST THAT DON'T, THAT JUST DOESN'T FLY WITH ME. 
          I, I DON'T CARE HOW HOW MUCH YOU SMEAR IT AROUND OR WHATEVER. 
          IT JUST DON'T WORK. 
          I MEAN, WHEN I SAY, WHEN I SAY IF I GOT MONEY IN A LINE ITEM FOR PART-TIME HELP, I, GOLLY, THAT'S WHAT I'M USING THAT FOR. 
          UNLESS I GOT A BRIDGE FELL IN OR SOMETHING, THEN I'M GONNA SAY, WELL, I NEED TO MOVE THIS OVER HERE FOR THIS BRIDGE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FOR RAISE, IT'S NOT FOR ANYTHING. 
          IT IS WHAT IT'S FOR FOR PART TIME. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? RIGHT? , I JUST CAN'T, I'M LIKE, TOMMY, I CANNOT EVEN BEGIN TO, TO IMAGINE HOW YOU CAN HAVE PASS A BUDGET THAT'S APPROVED BY THE COURT ASSISTANT, SEE IT AND UPDATE THAT'S ALL OUT THERE, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, AND THEN TWO WEEKS INTO THE BUDGET AND OFFICIAL COME AND WANT TO GIVE A RAISE TO EMPLOYEE, THERE'S SOMETHING UNDERHAND ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T CARE WHAT, HOW YOU GET AROUND THAT. 
          YOU COULD HAVE ASKED THAT SAME RAISE TWO MONTHS EARLIER, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . 
          I'M JUST AMAZED THAT I'M SPEAKING WAY TOO MUCH. 
          BUT I'M AMAZED THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT A BUDGET IS HERE. 
          I'VE SEEN IT IN THE PAST WHERE IF YOU ALLOW 'EM TO DO THAT, THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR MORE MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET THAN THEY ACTUALLY NEED. 
          BECAUSE THEY KNOW ONCE THEY GET IT, THEY CAN SAY, I DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE AND I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO MY EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY ALREADY, SO, OKAY. 
          THEY WILL DO, THEY'LL ASK FOR MORE THAN THEY NEED. 
          SURE. 
          AND YOU WON'T KNOW IF THEY ACTUALLY NEED IT OR THEY DON'T. 
          AND, AND THE EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, YOU SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT MATTERS TO ME, UH, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY BECAUSE THEY SEE IT GOING ON ALL THE TIME. 
          ALL THE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          SOMEONE QUITS BEEN HERE 20 SOMETHING RIGHT DOWN THE HALL HERE, BEEN HERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS, AND THE NEW PERSON COMES IN AND GETS THE SAME MONEY THAT PERSON GOT WORKED HERE 20 SO YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T WHETHER WE'LL EVER GET CONTROL OF THIS. 
          AND, AND IF WE HATE, WE CAN'T EVEN GET INTO A SYSTEM WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT PURSUING STEP RAISES OR SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS OTHER, I THINK WE, I THINK THE EMPLOYEES APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, DIAL IT BACK, YOU KNOW? UH, AND, AND MAYBE EVERYBODY MIGHT GET RAISE, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT FOLKS THAT HAVE RAISE IN THAT'S MY EARS, 
          [02:30:01]
BUT WHEN THEY SEE EVERYBODY GETTING RAISED, YEAH. 
          IT, IT'S ONE THING IN BUDGET, YOU HAVE NO CONTROL BUDGET BECAUSE IF THEY PRESENT SOMETHING TO YOU FOLKS AND YOU THINK IT'S A VALID REASON THEY RESERVE RAISE, THERE'S NO KINGS X. 
          BUT AFTER OCTOBER ONE, IT'S, IT'S A HARD PILL THESE BOYS SWALLOW. 
          I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST THINKING FOR THE FOLKS THAT I, THAT WHAT I HEAR OUT THERE, I DON'T HAVE A DOG AND A HUNT, BUT THE MASSES OUT THERE, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY. 
          JIM, I CAN TELL YOU, YOU'RE ITCHING TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT, BUT TALK FAST. 
          BUT I THINK THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE $3 MILLION ALLOTTED FOR SALARIES, WHY NOT JUST TAKE THAT, DIVIDE IT BY THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND SAY, OKAY, COMMISSIONER CLARK, YOU GET $5,000, DISPENSE IT TO YOUR EMPLOYEES THE WAY YOU WANT. 
          YOU KNOW WHO THE GOOD EMPLOYEES ARE AND WHO'S NOT. 
          IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS SMITH PROBLEM, WHICH I THOUGHT, LIKE TOM MANNING SAID, THREE WEEKS INTO THE BUDGET, SOMETHING'S FISHY. 
          LET LET THE ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DO THE MANAGING. 
          LET HIM OR HER DO THE WORK. 
          LET HIM DECIDE WHO IT AND WHO ISN'T ALLOWED TO, WHO'S A BETTER PERSON, WHO'S A BETTER EMPLOYEE. 
          IT'S A DIFFICULT, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE TO ACTUALLY MANAGE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO LEAD, BUT LET THEM MAKE THAT DECISION AND THAT'S THEIR DECISION. 
          SURE. 
          HE MAY GIVE THIS PERSON, LIKE RAY SAID, HE CAN REALLY OPERATE A MOTOR GRATER AND BETTER THAN THIS GUY. 
          OR NOT DRIVE A DUMP TRUCK. 
          HE MAY GIVE A TAD MORE, BUT LET THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, OR THE SUPERVISOR OR THE SUPERINTENDENT DO THE WORK. 
          I TRIED TO FIGHT THAT FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER MADE IT HAPPEN. 
          LEMME, THEY DID THAT AT ONE TIME, ONE YEAR. 
          ONE YEAR. 
          WELL, I HAVEN'T LIVED THAT LONG. 
          AND THEN IT WAS, UH, IT WENT AWAY. 
          AND THE SMALL PROPERTY HAD FLEXIBILITY EITHER, UH, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, MOST EMPLOYEES SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD HE GET A BRACE? AND ME NOT? MAYBE THEN THE MANAGER HAD TO EXPLAIN WHY HE GOT A MORE RAISE THAN HER OR HE, SOME WON'T, SOME WON'T BE FAIR. 
          BUT SOME THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT NOT HOW WILL YOU BE, THAT'S WHO YOU WORK FOR. 
          SURE. 
          AND YOUR BOSS AND THE COURT'S DISCUSSION OF $6,000, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME, WHICH GOES BACK TO MY POINT OF HOW SERIOUSLY PEOPLE TAKE THE BUDGET PROCESS IS THAT OF 6,000 FOR PART-TIME HELP THAT BY, UH, JUDGE SMITH SUBMISSION AND THE AUDITOR'S SUBMISSION. 
          LIKE, WELL, WE JUST MOVED IT THERE, WEREN'T SURE WHAT TO DO WITH IT. 
          IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, PARKING A CAR, YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT. 
          I THOUGHT, HOW DOES IT JUST WIND UP IN A BUDGET? AND, AND SO, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I DON'T RECALL THAT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL CAME IN HERE. 
          I THOUGHT HE CAME IN HERE AND ASKED FOR MONEY FOR HIS CLERK, IS WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          WELL, I, I DIDN'T REMEMBER ABOUT THE 6,000. 
          MONTANA DIDN'T, BUT I JUST, BUT ANYWAY, BUT CERTAINLY TWO WEEKS AFTER BUDGETS. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL WE HAVEN'T SOLVED ANYTHING, BUT, BUT I, I GUESS, UH, BUT I'LL LOOK INTO THAT ISSUE. 
          LOOK INTO IT AND SEE, AND IF THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO IT, NONE OF GOING VIOLATE THE LAW, BUT THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO IT THROUGH THE TRANSFERS, UH, LINE OF TRANSFERS THAT STILL IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED. 
          THAT REQUEST TO, TO MOVE THAT. 
          UH, BUT IT'S GOING AFFECT EVERY BUDGET. 
          IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVERY, ANYBODY THAT HAS, EVERY DEPARTMENT, EVERY DEPARTMENT, EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL IS GONNA HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING ANYTIME THEY WANNA GIVE. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART THAT UNTIL WE GET OUR OWN PAY GRADE SYSTEM UP AND GOING AND DO THAT, HAVE, OKAY, SO WHAT TO PROVE EVERYBODY. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, SAY, SAY WE FIGURE SOMETHING OUT TO DON'T BREAK THE LAW WHERE ALL THESE GUYS WANTING TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE RAISE AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          THEY GIVE 'EM AN INTERDEPARTMENTAL RAISE. 
          WE'LL SAY NEXT YEAR DURING THE BUDGET, WE FIGURE OUT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE ALL THE EMPLOYEES THE COST OF LIVING RIGHTS. 
          THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOUBLING UP IN THE SAME YEARS. 
          THAT'S WHAT CHAPS NOT, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY GET A DOUBLE RAISE, THEY GET A LICK HERE, AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER THEY GET A LICK, OR EIGHT MONTHS LATER WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AIN'T NOTHING ABOUT IT. 
          CALL LAUREN. 
          I WALKED INTO THE, BUT JUST, UM, ON MEETING OUR SYSTEM 
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NOW, UH, CONTROLS THAT. 
          SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO RUN A REPORT AND TELL YOU WHO, WHOSE SALARY HAS INCREASED IN THE LAST ALLOTTED AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          SO BY NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WE'LL HAVE A FULL YEAR ON THERE AND WE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          J JACK ASKED ME VERY QUICKLY, HE SAID, DID I SEE THIS IN DALLAS COUNTY? I DID NOT. 
          'CAUSE WHEN I WAS IN DALLAS COUNTY FROM 9 7 0 2 AND I MENTIONED IT'S STILL IN PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DA'S OFFICE, EVERY ATTORNEY WAS EITHER A ONE THROUGH 10 AND EVERY ONE AT WHATEVER POSITION WAS WHATEVER RANGE OF EITHER THE STARTING MEETING OR HIGH POINT. 
          SO, UM, IF, IF YOU MOVED UP, YOU, YOU MIGHT MOVE WITHIN THE OFFICE, BUT IF YOU MOVE FROM A FOUR TO FIVE, THEN YOU WENT FROM THE TOP OF FOUR. 
          IF YOU WERE AT THE TOP OF FOUR TO BOTTOM FIVE. 
          SO WHAT'S, WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO IS IF WE, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S IMPLEMENTED BY Y'ALL, THEN IF WE DO CONTINUE, UH, I MEAN IF WE, IF WE DECIDE THAT WE'VE GOT TO APPROVE EACH, UH, PAY CHANGE, UH, THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO SEND A MEMO TO EVERY DEPARTMENT, EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL, JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT'S THE PROCESS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH. 
          AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY OUT THERE DOING IT, UH, WITHOUT KNOWING THEY PROBABLY WON'T. 
          IF THEY COME STAND IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY AND SAY, I'M DOING THIS, EXPLAIN WHY. 
          WAIT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S BEEN GOOD. 
          IT'S BEEN REAL. 
          BEEN REAL GOOD. 
          ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? MOTION. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN? SAY SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          GENTLEMEN.
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