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WE'RE ABOUT AN HOUR EARLIER THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY START.
WE THOUGHT WE'D GO AHEAD AND TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THESE ITEMS AVAILABLE EARLIER AND GIVE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER'S TIME AND EVERYBODY TIME TO GET BACK TO THEIR RESPECTIVE AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE REGULAR OPENING CEREMONIES LISTED THIS MORNING, BUT I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
AND IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME NOW PREPARING, THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR, UH, PLEDGE.
GRACIOUS HEAVEN, THE FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR TODAY AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS, UH, VERY, VERY SPECIAL TIME OF THE YEAR.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SON, JESUS, THAT UH, YOU SENT TO THE CROSS, UH, AND TO THIS EARTH THAT DIED AND FOREVER GAVE US HIS GRACE AND FORGIVENESS.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR, UH, THOSE THAT ARE IN HARM'S WAY ACROSS THE OCEAN.
WE PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS, PRAY FOR ALL OF OUR, UH, FOLKS THAT PROVIDE SERVICES IN OUR COUNTY AND THE STATE AND NATION AS FAR AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, UH, JUDICIAL, UH, IS CONCERNED.
UH, LORD, WE LIVE IN A GREAT COUNTRY.
WE SHOULD NOT TAKE THAT LIGHTLY.
AND WE KNOW YOUR GRACE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, BLESSED IN THIS COUNTRY.
YOU ALWAYS BLESSED US WITH MANY, MANY THINGS THAT SOMETIMES WE TAKE FOR GRANTED.
LORD, WE PRAY NOW IS WINTER INTO THIS MEETING THAT YOU'LL, UH, CAUSE US TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
THESE TH IN MY SON'S HOLY NAME, AMEN.
I PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FRAUD.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AN INDIVIDUAL.
AND IN THAT REGARD, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT NOW, I WILL.
UH, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA, I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET ANYBODY, ANYBODY SIGNED UP OVER THERE, GEORGE OR NOT.
UH, FIRST ITEM IS FROM GEORGE YARD AND HE'S GOING TO ASK US TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING ODYSSEY PROSECUTOR FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND WE'RE ALSO HONORED TO HAVE, UH, JUDGE WILEY WILEY, OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, UH, HERE WITH US TO EXPLAIN THIS PROGRAM AND UH, THE BENEFITS UH, FOR TON COUNTY.
SO FOR AS YOU RECALL, THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS ARE OUR EFFORTS.
WERE FOR A LONG AND A SHORT TERM ISSUE.
WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE TOUCHED ON IT LAST WEEK LAST, AND THAT IS FOR THE SHORT TERM.
WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT JUDGE WILEY'S, UH, GOAL IN THE DA'S OFFICE TO PRESENT CASES CASE, UH, NUMBERING SYSTEM TO THE VARIOUS AGENCIES INCLUDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WE WANT THAT NUMBER TO BE A COMMON NUMBER TO MOVE FORWARD ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROSECUTION, THE DA'S OFFICE AND ALL PROBATION.
THE LONG TERM GOAL, UH, OUR LONG TERM GOAL IS TO MOVE TO A CLOUD-BASED HOSTED, UH, SOLUTION FOR KALE COUNTY.
TODAY WE HAVE ONE SOFTWARE SOLUTION THAT'S CLOUD-BASED.
WE'RE ABOUT TO DO THE SECOND, WHICH IS TAX.
AND WE WANT TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.
THE REASON WE CONTROL IT EXPENSE, WE CAN PROJECT A FIVE YEAR KNOWN A LOT OF MONEY OF THE COST WITHOUT REGARD TO GROWTH OF THE ACCOUNTING.
WHEREAS THE WAY WE DO THINGS TODAY WITH BACK ROOM SERVERS AND SO ON, THERE'S A LOT OF CARE AND FEEDING TO BE DONE.
WE WANT TO CONTROL THAT EXPENSE, PUT IT TO THE CLOUD SO WE CAN MANAGE GOING FORWARD THE SIZE OF IT AND THE SIZE OF IT EXPENDITURE.
SO THAT'S OUR LONG TERM GOAL TO TRY TO GET THAT DONE.
SO AS WE GO FORWARD, WHEN I'M GONE AND A LOT OF US ARE GONE HERE, THOSE WHO COME AFTER US WILL HAVE A VERY STREAMLINED FIXED IT EXPENDITURE GOING FORWARD.
YOU NOW, JUDGE WILEY'S GONNA MENTION ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER GOAL TO IMPLEMENT THAT COMMON NUMBER IN CASE.
ISN'T HE SMART? MOST OF THE TIMES WE'RE TALKING, I KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
BUT I DID GET THAT BECAUSE I ASKED GEORGE TO GIVE ME A LITTLE CHEAT LESSON SO I WOULDN'T SOUND, I DUMB WHEN I TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT CLOUD-BASED TECHNOLOGY AND ALSO HE'S BEING BASHFUL, BUT JOHN GAL, GAL, I WANNA GET YOUR NAME RIGHT JOHN, IT'S HERE FROM TYLER.
BUT OF COURSE I TOLD HIM THAT I WANTED Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT I REALLY DO WANT THIS AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND IN LAYMAN TERMS, NOT IN IT TERMS. THE FIRST THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO IS JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION FOR YOU.
SOME OF YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU COME IN AS A NEW COMMISSIONER, YOU LOOK AND YOU GO, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? BUT YOU KIND OF WATCH, YOU DON'T JUST JUMP IN IMMEDIATELY.
AND EVER SINCE AS A JUDGE BEFORE
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AND EVER SINCE I SAID I THINK IT AFTER ED WALTON, EVERY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE JUDGES ARE SAYING, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A UNIQUE NUMBER? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 'CAUSE WHEN HE SAYS STUFF LIKE THAT, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AND, AND YET I DO UNDERSTAND THIS.AND THAT'S BECAUSE IN OTHER COUNTIES THEY HAVE THAT.
SO THE, THE COUNTY CLERKS HERE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT OR MS. HUEY, THE DISTRICT CLERK IS THE SAME THING.
WE COULD START, THAT'S WHAT WE NORMALLY DO.
YOU START WITH ONE AND YOU JUST GO ALL THE WAY UP.
BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT'S HARD TO TRACK THOSE CASES BECAUSE YOUR JP COURT WILL HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS FOR WARRANTS.
AND YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE GO ON ABOUT THAT.
IF A WARRANT IS RECALLED IN JP COURT AND THAT NUMBER DOESN'T MATCH A NUMBER THAT'S AT THE COUNTY, THEN UNFORTUNATELY FOR SOMEBODY, THEY MIGHT END UP GETTING ARRESTED AND THEIR WARRANT WAS RECALLED OR JUST THE REVERSE.
WE COULD GO IN WITH THE EXAMPLES AT NAUSEAM.
SO THE NUMBERING SYSTEM IS WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE AND THAT NUMBER WILL GO WITH THAT DEFENDANT.
IF I'M THE DEFENDANT EARLY WILEY, THAT NUMBER'S GONNA GO WITH ME THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
WE'RE SAYING, WELL OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT IT WHEN THE VIOLENT AGENCY BRINGS THAT CASE TO ME? OR IF THEY EVEN START WITH A WARRANT WITH ONE OF THE JPS, THAT ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE GONNA KIND OF COME OUT OF THEIR UNIQUE BATCH.
AND SO EVEN IF IT'S NUMBER EXAMPLE 14 DASH 10,001 THAT'S GONNA GO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE NUMBER ONE.
IT'S GONNA GO IN SAY, UH, KIM'S UNIQUE NUMBER AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA KNOW THAT AND THAT WAY WE CAN FOLLOW THAT.
SO IF EVEN ALL THE WAY TO THE APPELLATE PROCESS OR BEYOND, THAT NUMBER WILL ALWAYS GO AGAIN.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHANGING OVER.
IF I'M YOU GUYS WITH YOUR BUSINESSMAN, THAT'S GREATLY I REALLY YOUR NUMBERING SYSTEM.
WE ARE, WE ARE GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE DOING THAT.
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO YOU? JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING IN DOING THAT WE HAD TO GET WITH THE IT GUYS.
AND SO IS IT GONNA COST US ANYTHING? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW.
IS THAT GONNA COST? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.
IT'S A PROCESS BY WHICH WE'RE CHANGING TO BE MORE ADVANCED AS EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO THERE'S NO COST INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT IN TALKING TO 'EM ABOUT THE COST, THEN I FIND OUT THINGS I DID NOT KNOW THAT I THINK MAY WILL OCCUR COST THE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE USES AND THAT A LOT OF YOUR JP OFFICES USED IS A CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING AGAINST THE FORMER DA'S, THEY HAD PROBLEM 'CAUSE, AND JOHN CAN SPEAK TO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY AS GOOD AS THEY DID.
WE OWN A PROSECUTOR ATTORNEY PACKAGE THAT FITS BETTER IN THAT CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
AND AND THE WHYS ARE, ARE GO ON FOREVER, BUT THAT THE COMPANY MAKES A PROSECUTOR OR ATTORNEY PACKAGE.
'CAUSE ALSO THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS CAN USE IT.
AND WE WE'RE SMART ENOUGH IN THE PRIOR COMMISSIONER WORTH TO BUY THAT LICENSING.
SO NOW THERE'S THE COST ALWAYS INVOLVED OF USAGE AND IMPLEMENTATION.
SO THAT'S THE THING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL ABOUT WHERE I CAN SEE IT.
ME GOING, NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CASE WORK, BUT AS FAR AS THE IT SIDE OF THAT IS CHANGING THAT NUMBERING SYSTEM, WHICH I THINK IS GONNA WORK AND WHERE THAT'S GONNA GO ONLINE, UH, 2014.
AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS LOOKING AT USING THE PROSECUTOR'S PACKAGE, WHICH WE ALREADY OWN, BUT IT WOULD EVEN STREAMLINE THINGS BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION WOULD THEN BE FED INTO THE KIND OF SOFTWARE THAT MAKES SENSE INSTEAD OF BOOTSTRAPPING UP, WHICH IS REALLY A CLERICAL COURT FUNCTION THAT WE'VE BEEN USING.
AND, AND IT JUST, IT'S JUST THE WAY YOU GO.
YOU GUYS GO OUT TO THE BARN AND YOU GO, WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS THIS WAY WHEN THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS? IT'S THE SAME PRINCIPLE.
SO THIS WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
AND NOW OF COURSE WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY LOOK AT DOING IT.
AND SO WHEN I WENT TO UH, SPEAK TO THEM AT TYLER ABOUT ODYSSEY AND THE SOFTWARE AND HOW IT WORKS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JOHN BROUGHT UP, HEY, YOU OWN THIS.
WHY AREN'T Y'ALL USING THIS? IRONICALLY OR JUST COINCIDENTALLY THE GIRLS IN THE OFFICE SAID NONE OF THE OTHER DA'S GOING TO DO IT.
GOD THIS WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER.
AND THEN WE DEMOED AND SAW IT AND WE SAW HOW A CASE ACTUALLY MOVES TO THE SYSTEM.
UM, GEORGE TALKED ABOUT THE END RESULT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME STEPS IN THE MIDDLE THAT I DON'T CONTROL.
WHICH ARE THE END RESULT IS LIKE HE SAID, TO HAVE ALL THOSE SERVERS TO GO AWAY.
THAT'S OLD SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN FROM WHEN I REMEMBER WHEN I STARTED AT TEXAS TECH, I'M SHOWING MY AGE, THEY HAD JUST CLEARED OUT IN THE BUSINESS SCHOOL.
I WENT TO THE BUSINESS SCHOOL OVER THERE, THE FOUR FLOORS OR THREE FLOORS OF THOSE BIG OLD TWO COMPUTERS.
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A COMPUTER THAT WE THOUGHT WAS COOL WAS ABOUT THIS SIZE.THIS CAN DO MORE THAN THAT COMPUTER I STARTED AT IN THIS SIZE OF THE BUSINESS SCHOOL.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THOSE SERVERS THAT WE'RE AIR CONDITIONING WE'RE KEEPING, THAT'S CUMBERSOME.
THAT CAN BREAK, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STORED THERE.
THAT'S THE END THING THAT GEORGE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THE END TECHNOLOGY, THERE'S A COST TO THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, BUT LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TELLING SOMEBODY SOMETHING, YOU DON'T WANNA HIDE ANYTHING.
THEN IN THE END AND THE GUYS THAT ARE SMARTER THAN ME THAT WORK ON THE IT COMMITTEE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
MY PIECE IS STARTING THE CASES FILED, RIGHT? PUSHING 'EM THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
THE ONE PIECE THAT'S MISSING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO VISIT WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S.
ULTIMATELY HIS DECISION IS WHEN CASES ARE FILED AND PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED AND GO TO THE JAIL AND THAT'S A PART OF THE PIE THAT WE HAVE TO TALK TO THE JAIL PIECE ABOUT.
NOT THEIR, NOT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PATROL PIECE, BUT THE JAIL PIECE.
AND ONE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE WILL GET THERE.
BUT THOSE TO ME, WHEN I WAS THINKING AFTER I TALKED TO THEM, THOSE ARE THE PIECES.
GET YOUR UNIQUE CASE NUMBER, WE CAN TRACK YOU GET YOUR PROSECUTOR'S PACKAGE, SEE IF WE CAN START THE CASE, WHICH REALLY GOES TO THE BEGINNING WITH THE JAIL, WITH IMPLEMENTING THOSE NUMBERS AND USING THAT SOFTWARE.
AND THEN IN THE END MOVE US TOWARD EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE STATE AND HAVE ALL OF OUR TECHNOLOGY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD STORAGE AND COOL THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING I'LL DO WITH THE VOTER EQUIPMENT.
ALL THAT GETS TO BE A PROBLEM.
WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF OF A STORAGE FOR US.
SO THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY FORTE, BUT I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD IT AFTER I LISTENED TO IT A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND WHERE MY PIECE FITS IN.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT, THINKING ABOUT IT AS USUAL, IT'S NOT ALWAYS BAD.
I'M NOT JUST RAINING DOWN ON AUSTIN AND THE GOVERNMENT.
THERE ARE LAWS THAT ARE COMING IN PLACE THAT ARE GONNA MAKE US THINK TECHNOLOGY 2014 IS DISCOVERY, WHICH MAY MEAN NOTHING TO Y'ALL, BUT IT WAS THE MICHAEL MORTON CASE.
AND 'CAUSE OF THAT, THE WAY ALL DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICES ACROSS THE STATE ARE DOING BUSINESS, IT'S NOT LIKE IT USED TO BE.
WHICH MEANS WE LITERALLY HAVE TO REDACT INFORMATION AND PRODUCE INFORMATION AND KEEP UP WITH FILES THAT IT IS TOO MUCH TO GO INTO THIS MORNING 'CAUSE IT'D BE BORING.
BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU THERE'S NEW DISCOVERY THAT CRIMINAL OFFICES, DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ACROSS THE STATE WILL COMPLY WITH.
AND IT IS MY DUTY TO MAKE SURE MY ATTORNEYS ARE COVERED, FAILING TO DO THAT.
THEY'RE NOT ONLY JUST TELLING US WE HAVE TO DO THAT, THEY PUT ABIDE INTO IT.
PROSECUTORS CAN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AND IF YOU NEVER FOLLOWED THAT CASE, THE REASON THEY'RE SO SERIOUS ABOUT IT IS UNFORTUNATELY THIS MAN WAS, MICHAEL MORTON WAS ACCUSED, CONVICTED, AND SERVED OVER 25 YEARS IN THE PENITENTIARY FOR KILLING HIS WIFE.
AND THERE WAS A DA IN THAT COUNTY UP IN THE HILL COUNTRY THAT WITHHELD THE EVIDENCE.
OKAY? I MEAN YOU COULD SAY IT NICER, BUT I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT WAS.
AND SO 'CAUSE OF THAT, THAT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
AND SO THE LEGISLATURE SWUNG ALL THE WAY, USUALLY THE PROSECUTORS ALWAYS HAD AN ADVANTAGE, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT ACT, THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT.
SO HOW Y'ALL DO YOUR BUSINESS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PRODUCE MORE DOCUMENTS FASTER, EFFICIENTLY.
WE DON'T, MY ATTORNEYS CAN BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.
THAT MEANS THEY LOSE THEIR BAR LICENSE FOR NOT HAVING GOOD AND BETTER TECHNOLOGY POSSIBLE.
I JUST DON'T THINK, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO EXAGGERATE.
THEY SCARY AT ALL THESE CONFERENCES.
I MEAN IT'S BEEN COMING AND IT NEEDS TO THE FEDERAL, OUR FEDERAL JURISDICTION PRACTICE THAT WAY ALREADY.
IT'S RECIPROCAL DISCOVERY THOUGH.
WE HAVE TO GIVE AND THE DEFENSE HAS TO GIVE.
THIS IS JUST STARTED WITH THE STATE HEARING.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A DUTY TO DO THAT.
IT'S BRADY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
JUST IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING YOU GUYS OCCURRED, WHICH IS NOT CRIMINAL IN FACT IS EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT CRIMINAL IS IN 15.
THERE'S, THERE'S EFI AND WE HAVE TO DO, IT'S ANOTHER MANDATE.
AND WITH THAT E-FILING, THAT MEANS ALL THESE OFFICES WERE PUSHED TO FILE DOCUMENTS, E-FILE.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF WE GET THE COMPUTER INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, IT CAN SUPPORT THE CHANGE THAT'S COMING IN 15 IF WE START NOW.
DID I MISS ANYTHING GEORGE? YES, SIR.
BEEN I DID WITH A MS. JOHN? NO, BUT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS AGAIN.
I'M SURE YOU'VE MET HIM SEVERAL TIMES.
CAN HE COME UP GUYS, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
WHEN YOU GO FIRST, YOU GET TO STEAL THE PHONE.
WE HAND THAT TO PEOPLE ACTUALLY.
AND I'LL UH, PIN A DATE WRONG.
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THIS IS JUST REALLY JUST A RECAP OF WHAT GEORGE AND, UH, JUDGE WILEY HAVE REALLY ALREADY STATED.BUT, UH, I THOUGHT I'D GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THERE.
I'M GONNA SIT BACK HERE SO I CAN GREET YOU.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TODAY.
MY NAME'S JOHN ALR WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES AND UH, UH, I KIND OF WANT TO STEP BACK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT AND TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE THAT THIS COUNTY MADE.
UH, BACK IN 2004, UH, IN 2004, Y'ALL WERE ONE OF THE FIRST CLIENTS TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT OUR NEW ODYSSEY CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
SO ACTUALLY YOU WERE VERY FORWARD THINKING AT THAT TIME.
UH, THAT WAS A NEW PRODUCT FOR TYLER AND UH, WE HAD JUST IMPLEMENTED IT IN SOME, ON SOME NATIONAL ACCOUNTS, BUT WE HAD NOT IMPLEMENTED IT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO, UH, LAURA HUGHES AND THE, UH, CURRENT DA AT THE TIME, UH, SEVERAL OF YOU KIND OF WENT OUT ON A LIMB BECAUSE THEIR PRODUCT WASN'T IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER COUNTIES THROUGHOUT TEXAS AT THE TIME.
UH, SO IN 2004, A CONTRACT WAS SIGNED FOR OUR ODYSSEY CASE MANAGEMENT PRODUCT.
AND THAT'S PRO THAT'S THE, THAT'S ONE PRODUCT, IF YOU WILL, OF A, OF A, OF A, OF A SERIES OF PRODUCTS THAT WORK TOGETHER TO COMPLETE WHAT WE CALL AN INTEGRATED JUSTICE SUITE, UH, FROM POINT OF AN ARREST ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND ON THE DISPOSITION OF THE CASE AND ON PROBATION.
BUT, UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ALL OF THOSE PRODUCTS BUILT OUT TO COMPLETE THAT FULL INTEGRATED SUITE.
SO THE COUNTY, UH, WE AGREED AND WE PROVIDED THE COUNTY A LICENSE FEE FOR THE ATTORNEY MANAGER PRODUCT THAT, UH, THAT JUDGE WILEY HAS SPOKE OF, UM, IF WE SHOULD EVER DEVELOP IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT DEVELOPED DURING, AT THAT TIME.
SO IN 2000, UH, IN 2006, WE CAME OUT WITH THE ODYSSEY PROTE PRODUCT AND UH, WE STARTED IMPLEMENTING IT IN COUNTIES.
UH, GOING FORWARD, WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE FULL INTEGRATED SUITE.
UH, BUT ACTUALLY THE COUNTY DID, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE COUNTY MADE A VERY GOOD DECISION.
BUT UP TO THIS POINT, UH, THE PRODUCT HAS NEVER BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
UH, FOR, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
I THINK WE, WE'VE TRIED WITH A COUPLE THE PAST DAS, BUT I THINK BECAUSE THE CASELOAD AND THE, THE, THE BUSYNESS OF THEIR OFFICE, IT DOES TAKE, UM, IT, IT DOES TAKE TIME TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE VIRTUALLY THE WAY THE ENTIRE OFFICE HAS TO CHANGE THEIR BUSINESS PROCESSES AND, AND, UH, IMPLEMENT A NEW CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
SO LEMME STEP BACKWARDS ONE MORE TIME.
SO, SO WHAT WE DID IN 2005, WE IMPLEMENTED THE ODYSSEY CASE MANAGER PRODUCT AND IN A WAY THAT WAS, UH, THAT WILL WORK FOR THE DA'S OFFICE, BUT IT REALLY WASN'T A METHOD OF BEST PRACTICES.
SO TODAY, IF YOU WERE BUYING ODYSSEY RULE, WE WOULD NEVER HAVE IMPLEMENTED THAT WAY, BUT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MISSING PIECE, THE MISSING PIECE WAS PROSECUTOR, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
WE CAME UP, CAME UP WITH SOME WORKAROUNDS, AND UH, FOR THE MOST PART THAT'S BEEN OKAY.
BUT REALLY THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THEY NEED THEIR OWN CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO MANAGE DOCUMENTS IN THEIR OFFICE TO MANAGE CASES IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DOING IT TODAY REALLY DOES NOT PROVIDE THEM THAT FUNCTIONALITY.
SO AGAIN, THE LICENSE FEES INCLUDED.
THERE ARE SOME IMPLEMENTATION COSTS.
WHEN I SPEAK OF IMPLEMENTATION COSTS, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, COST TO CONVERT DATA, TO TRAIN STAFF TO DO THE CONFIGURATION.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE HARD COSTS THAT WE WOULD COME OUT AND HAVE STAFF ON SITE TO DO THOSE THINGS AND IN THE OFFICE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
UH, DO YOU, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA GET AHEAD OF YOU, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KIND OF, UH, PROCESS WHERE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
DO YOU HAVE A FIGURE ON THESE COSTS? I I DO NOT YET, BUT I WILL BE GETTING THOSE TO YOU.
UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A BIG FACTOR AND WE ARE WORKING, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU.
WE JUDGE JUDGE LEE WHY THEY CAME TO OUR OFFICE WITH HER GROUP AND IT WAS GREAT 'CAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD DIALOGUE.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS OF, OF WHICH I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SHARE WITH YOU HERE.
SO YOU SAID WE'VE HAD THIS SINCE 2006, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN USED.
YOU'VE ACTUALLY HAD A LICENSE FOR IT SINCE, SINCE YOU CONTRACTED IN 2004.
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO DELIVER TO YOU.
SO WE KNEW WE WERE EVENTUALLY BILL IT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT TO DELIVER.
SO WE BASICALLY PROVIDED THE LICENSE.
AND, AND YOU JUST MENTIONED NEW LICENSE FEES THAT ON TOP OF WHAT THE LICENSE WE ALREADY HAVE? NO, YOU HAVE A LICENSE FOR THE ATTORNEY MANAGER PRODUCT FOR THE, FOR THE PROSECUTOR PORTION OF IT.
SO, SO GOING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT, COMMISSIONER, WE CHANGED THE NAME OF THE PRODUCT IN 2010 TO ATTORNEY MANAGER.
ATTORNEY MANAGER HAS TWO COMPONENTS TO IT.
IT HAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER COMPONENT AND IT HAS A PROSECUTOR COMPONENT.
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BUT YOU DO HAVE A LICENSE FOR THE PROSECUTOR OR UNDER ATTORNEY MANAGER.WE CAN, AND WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT TODAY, BUT THERE ARE IMPLEMENTATION COSTS THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AND WHEN I SAY COSTS, THESE ARE TO TRAIN THE STAFF TO CONVERT DATA BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN USING THE SYSTEM IN, IN THIS FASHION SINCE THE SYSTEM WAS INSTALLED IN 2005.
SO NOW WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH ALL THOSE CASES THAT THEY'VE ENTERED AND ALSO PENDING CASES, UH, AND HISTORICAL CASES TO TRACK IT WITHIN, WITHIN, WITHIN BASICALLY TAKING IT OUT OF CASE MANAGER AND MOVING IT OVER TO PROSECUTOR, UM, TO THE PROSECUTOR PRO.
SO YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT LICENSING FEE? YEAH, AGAIN, THE LICENSE FEE IS INCLUDED.
THERE'S NO COST FOR THE LICENSING FEE.
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER? YOU SAID THERE NOT LICENSE.
THE PUBLIC DEFENDER WAS, WE ADDED THE PUBLIC DEFENDER UNDERNEATH THAT IN 2010, THERE WOULD BE A LICENSE FEE FOR PUBLIC DEFENDER IF YOU LICENSE IT TO TRADITIONAL FASHION.
NOW, GEORGE TOUCHED ON, UH, THE FACT THAT CLOUD-BASED MODEL IS, IS VERY POPULAR NOW.
OFFERS A LOT OF ADVANTAGES TO THE COUNTY.
BUT IF Y'ALL WERE TO GO TO THAT MODEL, AND THE REASON WHY I WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT IS IF YOU DO GO THAT DIRECTION, THEN THERE ARE NO LICENSES TO PAY THAT YOU WOULD PAY FOR IN A TRADITIONAL HOSTED ENVIRONMENT, UH, GOING FORWARD.
BUT YOU'LL, YOU'LL, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE METHOD OF HOW WE LICENSE THAT WE PAY YOU PAY BASED ON SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE, LICENSE FEES YOU PAY BASED ON THE LICENSE FEES UNDER A SOFTWARE SERVER USER FEE.
SO IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF USERS THAT ACTUALLY USE THE SYSTEM.
WILL THESE DOLLAR NUMBERS BE AVAILABLE FOR US BEFORE BUDGET TIME? I'M HOPING TO GET THESE NUMBERS OUT TO YOU THIS WEEK AND THAT, WHICH IS A GOOD QUESTION, BUT I THINK OUR TIMELINE ON THIS IS GONNA BE PRETTY QUICK.
AND WHAT I'VE, UH, ASKED, UH, OR I'M GONNA ASK JOHN AND KAREN, OUR AUDITOR TO DO AND CEASE IF POSSIBLY WE CAN PAY FOR THIS PRODUCT TRAINING AND ALL THIS INVOLVED OUTTA SOME OF OUR SPECIAL USE FEES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE AND NOT OUTTA THE GENERAL, WHAT'S CRITICAL ABOUT THE TIMELINE THAT WE GET BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR? I THINK EARLY YOU COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS IT BETTER THAN I, WELL, I MEAN, ONE THING IS THE, THE LONGER THAT WE WAIT, YOU LISTEN TO, TO JOHN SPEAK ABOUT THE CONVERTING, IT'S MORE INFORMATION THAN WE JUST HAVE TO CONVERT.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY INCURRING MORE OF A COST THE LONGER THAT WE WAIT TO CONVERT IT BE ONE, IF WE GO TO PROSECUTE PACKAGE SOONER.
TWO, I THINK IT HELPS US IMPLEMENT THE DISCOVERY THAT THE LEGISLATORS HELP.
WE'RE JUST GONNA HOBBLE IT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, IF WE DON'T GET THE PROSECUTOR PACKAGE, WE'LL USE THE CASE, MAN, WE'VE BEEN USING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING TO YOU GUYS THAT HONESTLY I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE LICENSING OF THE PROSECUTOR PA AS A TOOL WHEN I CAME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN THE SUMMER TO TALK ABOUT BUDGET, WHICH IS, THAT'S MY FAULT.
UM, BUT IT, AS WE'RE DISCOVERING, JUST STARTING WITH THE CASE NUMBERING SYSTEM, THEN YOU OPEN UP THIS WHOLE BOX AND REALIZE THERE'S SO MANY IT TOOLS THAT WE DON'T EVEN USE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND SO THE ENTRY QUESTION IS TO BE CANDID, IS THERE URGENCY? I MEAN, EMERGENCY URGENCY, NO.
YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, TO, I NEVER WANT TO EXAGGERATE A POINT BECAUSE ONE DAY I'M GONNA COME HERE AND GO, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY, I GOTTA DO IT.
THIS IS THE BEST PRACTICE AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN OPERATING WITH BEST PRACTICE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK TO PUT THE ATTORNEYS THAT WORK AS PROSECUTORS AT A DISADVANTAGE AND SOME PIECE OF EVIDENCE SLIPS THROUGH THE CRACK.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LESS, UM, ABOLISHMENT BEFORE, BUT IT IS VERY CLEAR WHAT THE, THE, THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT IS IN 2014 WITH DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION.
WE CANNOT, UM, ALLOW THE ATTORNEYS TO NOT HAVE ALL THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO PROSECUTE CRIMINAL CASES.
HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE E-FILING DEADLINE IN 2015? I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE BULLETS YOU HAVE LISTED.
AND, AND, AND, UH, YEAH, I'VE GOT SEVERAL BULLET POINTS I WANTED TO KIND OF DISCUSS WITH YOU.
BUT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM, AS FAR AS THE DA'S OFFICE, IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THAT PARTICULAR PIECE.
IT DOES AFFECT, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGES SHE'S HAVING IN HER OFFICE TODAY, BUT NOT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
'CAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE.
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SO MY NEXT POINT THAT, THAT KIND OF CLEAR UP THE REASON I WANTED BRING IT TODAY.SO YOU SHOULD HEAR WE NEED GET STARTED.
AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THESE FUNDS SITTING IN THESE SPECIAL PURPOSE CATEGORIES THAT WE CAN'T USE FOR OTHER REASONS.
AND IF WE CAN FIND SOME MONEY FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNDS PERHAPS AND, AND, UH, THE COST IS SOMETHING WE STILL GOTTA, UH, TALK ABOUT OF COURSE.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME IT PUTS THAT MONEY TO GOOD USE.
AND, AND I WANNA BE CANDID, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE LOOKING INTO BECAUSE ALL THOSE FUNDS TAKE THE LIBRARY FUND, OKAY? AND I, I'M SORRY JOHN, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
THE LIBRARY FUND IS A, IS UNIQUE.
I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THAT STATUTE I WAS, HAD TALKED TO JOHN ABOUT AND HE'S FAMILIAR IS THAT THAT LIBRARY FUND IS TIED TO PUBLIC ACCESS AND ALSO THE JUDICIARY.
OKAY? NOW, I, I'M NOT PREPARED TO GIVE AN OPINION RIGHT NOW.
AND WHEN WE START ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT SPENDING MONEY, I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN OPINION.
'CAUSE I WOULD WANT YOU TO TAKE MONEY OUT THE FUND.
OKAY? SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT COMFORTING TO KNOW.
WELL, THANK YOU BEING YOUR LAWYER.
GOOD JOB WOULD LET ME, BUT I'M JUST SAYING HONESTLY, HONESTLY GUYS, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT FOR EXAMPLE, IF AS, UM, JOHN COULD TALK HERE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE, THERE MIGHT BE A PIECE OF THAT THAT COULD BE PAID FOR, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE JUDGES WITH THE E-FILING ARE COMING ON, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AND GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT STATUTE ON THE LIBRARY FUND, THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE JUDGES CAN BE OUT OF THE LIBRARY PLAN.
THAT HAS TO BE PUBLIC ACCESS AS WELL.
SO WOULD THERE BE A PUBLIC ACCESS PORTAL? SOME OF THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE AND, UM, WORK, TAKE YOUR TIME DOING THAT.
WE NEED TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED THIS WOULD BE PUBLIC ASSET.
THIS IS WHERE THESE FUNDS WOULD COME, BUT THESE FUNDS OVER HERE COULD NOT BE COVERED.
BUT WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU THE ROADMAP.
SO WE DON'T JUST COME IN HERE THE DAY OF AND SAY, OKAY, THIS WHAT WE WANT.
YOU TOUCHED EARLIER ON THE, UH, POINT OF HAVING THE BIG COMPUTERS.
UM, YEAH, I WAS TELLING YOU HOW OLD I WAS.
ARE THEY IN THE COURTHOUSE NOW? THE, THE STUFF THAT'S STORING ALL OUR INFORMATION AND THOSE WOULD BECOME OBSOLETE AS FAR AS THIS IS CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS WOULD ALL BE IN THE CLOUD, RIGHT? JUST LIKE OUR, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT PUSHING PRODUCTS, BUT WE KNOW MOST ALL US KNOW ABOUT THE CLOUD FROM, YOU KNOW, THE IPHONE AND, AND HOW WE UTILIZE IT.
AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN NAME FOR IT, BUT IT'S THE SAME PRODUCT IDEA.
AND JUST OVER TIME THE THE HARDWARE IS GONE.
THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GUYS.
I MEAN WE'RE HERE AND YEAH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER TO TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UH, IN THE BUDGET CYCLE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW ABOUT.
AND SOME OF THESE THINGS WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PUSH THROUGH UNTIL THE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO, BUT TO KNOW THAT THAT TECHNOLOGY'S COMING AND THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE ONE, ONE BRIEF COMMENT TO THE BENEFIT OF JUDGE WILEY.
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS LITTLE EXERCISE MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
WE HAVE BROUGHT THE CREW UP TO TYLER LIKE WE DID LAST WEEK.
THE PROBLEM IS WE DIDN'T HAVE A DA LIKE ONE WE HAVE TODAY THAT RACIST TECHNOLOGY AND WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE IN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE A DA WHO HAS RACIST TECHNOLOGY AND WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE'RE IN A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE PRESENTED THESE FACTS BEFORE, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD THE ABILITY AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PUSHBACK.
SO I THINK IT'S A PERFECT KIND FOR US.
WELL JUDGE, UH, GEORGE, I APPRECIATE THAT KAUFMAN.
MY TECHNOLOGY'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH BETTER THAN A LOT OF YOU GUYS.
BUT WHAT IT IS, IS THE PEOPLE AND THE STAFF IN MY OFFICE, THEY'RE YOUNGER AND THEY ARE MOVING AND CLICKING AROUND.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SAY, WHY DON'T WE, WE SEE THIS ON THE COMPUTER, BUT WHY DON'T WE USE THE PROSECUTOR? AND I WENT ON THE, I WENT ON THE YOUTUBE AND I SAW THE HOW IT REALLY WORKS.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S WHERE WE STAY VIBRANT.
IF WE CAN KEEP UP, IF WE GET LEFT BEHIND THE SIZE OF OUR COUNTY, DOESN'T MATTER.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY'VE GONE WITH THE CLOUD AND THE USER FEE FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU USE.
UH, AND SO IT, IT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S GOOD BUSINESS IN THE END IS REALLY WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S A COST AND IT'S GONNA COST SOMETHING.
SO THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE IT'S GONNA COST US TO CONVERT THOSE CASES.
ONE, ONE MORE THING REAL QUICK.
UH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A, LIKE A ID IDENTIFICATION NUMBER OR SOMETHING FOR EACH DEFENDANT UNDER A CASE.
WOULD THAT, IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM NOW? THE CAUSE NUMBER OR CASE NUMBER? NO, SIR.
AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, IT BETTER.
THE NUMBER IS NOT THE THING, THE ORDER, THE SEQUENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO UNIQUE BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE FIRST CASE THAT'S FILED UNDER WHATEVER JURISDICTION IS 1 14 0 0 0 1.
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USE MYSELF AS THE DEFENDANT EARLY WILEY.BUT THEN THEY HAVE TO GET, THERE'S NO JUDGE AROUND.
THEY'RE GONNA GET A WARRANT SIGNED TO GO TO JP.
THE JP ISS GONNA PUT A NUMBER ON IT AND THEY, THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR SECOND CAUSE NUMBER FOR THE YEAR.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 14 DASH OH OH OH TWO, YOU KNOW, DASH JP.
THEN WHEN THE CASE COMES TO COURT OR I GIVE IT TO MS. HUGHES, SHE'S GONNA PUT YET ANOTHER CAUSE NUMBER ON IT.
AND SO WE ARE HAVING ME AS THE DEFENDANT, AS AN EXAMPLE, OPERATING THE THREE CAUSE NUMBERS.
THAT GETS TO BE A CLERICAL NIGHTMARE.
BUT HONESTLY, NOBODY WANTS THIS CHANGEOVER BECAUSE WE ALL GET USED TO THINGS BEING THE OLD WAY.
THE ONLY WAY WE'RE WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING OVER TIME IT'S GONNA MAKE SENSE AND WE'RE GONNA BE MORE EFFICIENT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS, THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THAT WAY.
SO HOW THAT NUMBERING SYSTEM WORKS IS WE TAKE, KAUFMAN HAS A UNIQUE BATCH OF NUMBERS THAT GO DEPENDING ON CASES FILE.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT BATCH OF NUMBERS, WE WILL GRAB THE NUMBER AND IT WE PUT IT ON THAT DEFENDANT'S NAME.
CAN WE NOT IMPLEMENT THAT SYSTEM WITHOUT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I SAID.
THAT'S HOW I STARTED WITH EVEN GOING DOWN THIS.
AND THEN YOU GUYS MIGHT BE GOING, YOU SHOULD SEE LAW ENFORCEMENT AROUND THE COUNTY.
THEY'RE NOT HAPPY, BUT IT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE THAT WAY WE CAN TRACK IT.
AND I'VE ALREADY HAS HAVE TYLER ASSURANCES THAT TO, TO MAKE THAT CONVERSION.
IF IT'S A PROBLEM, THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON THAT.
AND I SAY AT NO COST, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO THAT'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
AND THE REASON IT'S, I'M JUST INFORMING YOU OF THAT IS JUST IF YOU HEAR PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THE REASON THAT WE GOT INVOLVED IS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SOFTWARE SUPPORTED ME JUST BY STICKING IN THE NUMBERS INSTEAD OF CRANKING OUT.
AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS SAYING, YEAH, WE'LL DO IT.
IT'S GONNA, IT IT, IT'S A PROBLEM THOUGH 'CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A NUMBER AS OPPOSED TO JUST CRANKING IT OUT.
BUT WE'RE THINKING ON THE BACK END, IT'S GONNA SAVE US MONEY.
'CAUSE IN FIVE YEARS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING UP EARLY, WHILE UNDER 14 DASH OH THREE, I'LL, IT'LL GO WITH MY JP NUMBER WARRANT.
IT'LL GO WITH MY CAUSE NUMBER, IT'LL GO WITH MY APPEAL NUMBER.
IT'LL GO BACK ON MY REHEARING.
IF I GET ONE, IT'LL GO ON MY WRIT, IT'LL GO ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
I'LL JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT LETTER AT THE END OF THE NUMBER.
THAT WAY I CAN'T SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS.
BUT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT NOW.
JANUARY ONE IS IMPLEMENTED AND THEY'RE GONNA DO IT AND MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS.
WHEN I SAY THEY ARE, THEY'RE SAYING YES, YOUR SYSTEM WILL SUPPORT IT.
BUT THE REASON THAT THEY'RE EITHER GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAND PUT IT IN.
IF I HAD TO, IF I HAD A PROSECUTOR'S PACKAGE, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA DO IT THE HARD WAY UNTIL WE GET IT EASIER, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WHAT YOU DO, YOU JUST USE THE TOOLS YOU HAVE AND IT'S EASIER TO PUT ON THAT SYSTEM THAN IT IS YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM.
AND IT, IT'S ALL THE SAME BIG SYSTEM BECAUSE ODYSSEY'S ALL THE BIG, BUT THERE'S PRODUCTS UNDERNEATH IT.
SO WE HAVE THE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE USES, THAT THE COURTS USE, AND WITHIN THAT IS A PROSECUTOR'S PACKAGE.
I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, NOTHING AGAINST YOU, JOHN.
HE'S A SELL, HE'S PROBABLY GOT A PACKAGE FOR EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE WHAT WAS PRACTICAL AND BUILD OVER TIME FOR THE THINGS THAT OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS MAY WANT.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT MAY WANT TO USE.
YOU KNOW, I COULD JUST SAY, WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE USED THE PROSECUTOR'S PACKAGE.
I THINK MS. HUGHES AND, AND MS. HUEY, YOU ARE HAPPY, HAPPY WITH THE CASE MANAGEMENT FOR THEIR CASE MANAGEMENT AND THE JUDGES COURT COORDINATORS.
BUT OVER TIME, I'M JUST SAYING WE COULD STREAMLINE WITH OTHER STUFF AND HE WOULD SELL US ALL THOSE.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED 'EM ALL.
IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT FOR THE JAIL AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON, THAT MIGHT BE AN IDEA OVER TIME.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU NEED FOR CONTROL.
BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT WITHOUT COST.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUSPICION FOR.
THAT, UH, I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THIS ONE NUMBER SYSTEM GOING FOR A LONG TIME.
IT SEEMED LIKE SUCH AN EASY THING TO DO AND WE SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEM.
AND, BUT THERE WAS ISSUES SEEMED LIKE EVERY, EVERY TIME WE GOT INTO SOMETHING, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT STONEWALL AND THEN TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IT JUST THINK SOMEBODY ELSE GONNA FIX IT, WE GOING DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT THING BECAUSE IT WILL SOLVE A LOT OF ISSUES.
SOME ONE OF THE ISSUES, WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST WAS THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFICULTY WITH THE LOCAL PDS GETTING ON BOARD WITH THIS.
WELL, I THINK I AND, AND I, I THINK THAT THEY, BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT, THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE.
I MEAN, FOR, SO FOR THEM, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW HOW THAT WORKS.
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TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK.YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WHAT WE'RE JUST GONNA DO IT IS DO IT.
I CAN'T MAKE, UH, I MEAN COUGH FOR TARA, I CAN'T MAKE THEM HAVE OUR SYSTEM.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE NUMBERS.
AND WHEN THAT CASE COMES TO MY OFFICE, IT'S GOTTA BE WITHIN THAT BATCH.
IT WOULD MAKE US BETTER, BUT WE JUST DEAL WHAT WE CAN SAYING.
SO YOU WON'T, YOU, YOU WON'T TAKE A CASE UNLESS PUT YOUR NUMBER ON HER.
OF COURSE, I'LL TAKE ANY CRIMINAL CASE, BUT I WILL SUGGEST THAT THEY HAVE THE CORRECT NUMBER.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN HELP THEM GET ON BOARD? THEY'RE ON BOARD AS MUCH AS THEY CAN DO.
UH, COMMISSIONER BRIEFLY, SOUTHERN SOFTWARE IS IN THE JAIL.
FORNEY AND SUMTER SOUTHERN SOFTWARE HAS IT FIXED.
THEY HAVE A PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT NEW NUMBER.
SO FOR THOSE THREE AGENCIES, I PROBLEM SOLVED.
AND FOR THE SMALLER ONES, LITERALLY IT'LL BE OKAY.
THEY'LL, I MEAN IF THAT MEANS THEY'RE RIPPING OFF A LABEL WITH THE RIGHT NUMBER OR US, WHEN IT FIRST HAPPENS, SAY, NO, THIS IS YOUR BATCH OF NUMBERS.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE IN THE 21ST CENTURY, BUT IT'LL WORK TILL WE GET THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN WE WILL TAKE THAT NUMBER AND WE'LL PUT IT IN THE COMPUTER.
WHAT I WAS GOING WITH THAT WAS, IS THERE SOME WAY WE COULD ASSIST THEM INTO GETTING ON BOARD, MAKING IT EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR 'EM? UH, NO SIR.
THROUGH EDUCATION OR WE'VE BEEN EDUCATED.
WE'VE HAD, WE'VE, I'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THE CHIEFS OVER, UH, AND THEY'RE ON BOARD.
THEY JUST, I THINK IT'LL BE FINE.
I THINK JUST THE, THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF IT WILL HELP.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE FIRST GUY THAT COMES WITH A, WITH A, WITH A NUMBER THAT'S NOT ONE OF OURS WILL, WILL HELP REINFORCE THAT WE ARE SERIOUS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FROM THERE.
YOU HAVE MY SUPPORTS THAT IS HANDLING FOR WILL, BUT WE'RE TAKING ALL CRIMINAL CASES NOW, BE KILLER THAT WE'RE NOT REJECTING ANY CASES BECAUSE OF THE STUPID NUMBER.
JOHN, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON THROUGH? WE'VE GOT A SURE.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST REAL QUICKLY, CLOUD-BASED, UH, COMPUTING, YOU'VE HEARD THE TERM NOW SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE OR CLOUD-BASED.
WE, WE BEGAN OFFERING OUR PRODUCTS VIA THAT VEHICLE IN 2010 ALSO.
SO NOW INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND INVESTING INTO ALL THE HARDWARE, AND THEN THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THAT HARDWARE UP TO SPEED, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH UPGRADES.
'CAUSE OBSOLESCENCE SETS, SETS IN ON LIKE ANY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
UH, THE IDEA BEHIND THE SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE IS, IS WE, TYLER DOES ALL THAT WORK? YOU, YOUR DATA IS ALL STORED FROM OUR DATA CENTER IN DALLAS.
AND, UH, IN ESSENCE, UH, WE DO ALL OF THE PATCHES, THE RELEASES AND, AND THE MAINTENANCE, IF YOU WILL, OF THAT, OF THAT SYSTEM.
IT WAS ALL REAL RESPONSIBILITY AND IT'S ALL WRAPPED UP INTO WHAT WE CALL US A USER FEE VERSUS, UH, HAVING TO PAY A LICENSE FEE FOR ADD-ON PRODUCTS PLUS A MAINTENANCE FEE.
IT'S JUST ALL WRAPPED UP INTO ONE NUMBER.
UH, MANY ADVANTAGES TO THE COUNTY, UH, PREDICTABILITY OF COST.
UH, WE, WE, WE WILL PROVIDE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT TO DO THAT.
THAT'LL SECURE THOSE RATES FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN AND HAVE SEEN INCREASES IN THE MAINTENANCE.
SO THERE'S JUST A WHOLE HOST OF BENEFITS FROM A FINANCIAL PLANNING STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO MANY BENEFITS FOR THE IT DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THOSE SERVERS, THOSE SERVERS BECOME OBSOLETE OVER TIME.
THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND UPGRADED.
UH, ALL OF THAT VIRTUALLY GOES AWAY IN, IN THIS CLOUD BASED MODEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, SO JUST TOUCH ON THAT.
SO GOING BACK TO THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES TOO, UH, UH, JUDGE, YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE, UH, THAT E-FILING MANDATE WHAT'S GOING ON IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW AS THE SUPREME COURT HAS REQUIRED.
NOW IT IS MANDATING E-FILING AND THERE'S A ROLLOUT OF THAT THAT STARTS JANUARY 1ST FOR MANY COUNTIES, MANY OF THE LARGER COUNTIES BASED ON THE POPULATION THAT ROLLOUT'S GONNA EVENTUALLY AFFECT KAUFMAN COUNTY.
AND IT'S COMING, UH, IN JANUARY OF 2015 FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.
UM, THAT, THAT IN THAT MANDATE IS GOING TO, UH, CREATE A LOT OF CHANGE IN THE WAY CASES NOW ARE FILED.
NOW, ATTORNEYS, DEFENDANTS, UH, UH, ARE GOING TO GO ONLINE.
THEY'RE GONNA FILE THOSE CASES, UM, VIA ELECTRONICALLY TO OUR PORTAL.
THEY'RE GONNA HIT THE PORTAL THAT, THAT'S HOUSING ALL OF OUR SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE, UH, CLIENTS SERVERS RIGHT THERE IN DALLAS.
SO ALL THESE, ALL THESE FILINGS ARE COMING IN ELECTRONICALLY AND RIGHT VERSUS TODAY, THEY'RE COMING IN OVER THE COUNTER IN THE CLERK'S OFFICES.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT NO LONGER IS ALL THAT PAPER GOING TO BE PRODUCED TO THE DEGREE IN A PAPER FILE.
IT'S UP TO THE CLERK'S OFFICES ON HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE THAT.
FOR THE MOST PART, THAT, THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE.
SO THE EFFECT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE USERS,
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IT'S GONNA AFFECT GREATLY IS GONNA BE THE JUDGES.BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CLERKS GO IN, THEY PULL A FILE FOR ALL THESE NON-CRIMINAL CASES.
THEY PULL A PAPER FILE AND THEY BRING INTO THE COURTROOM FOR THE JUDGES.
UM, THAT PAPER NO LONGER IS REALLY GONNA BE PRESENT.
IT'S NOW GONNA GOING BE AN ELECTRONIC ORAL.
WELL, WE HAVE PRODUCTS THAT HELP SUPPLEMENT AND MAKE THIS WHOLE PROCESS EASY.
IT'S A PRODUCT THAT'S SPECIFICALLY BE USED BY THE JUDGES IN THE COURTROOM THAT ALLOWS THEM TO, IT BASICALLY MAN HELPS YOU MANAGE ELECTRONICALLY THAT PAPER FILE IF YOU WERE TRADITIONALLY IN THE PAPER FILE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CHANGE THAT'S COMING.
UM, WE HAVE A WHOLE TEAM, I WAS AWARD THAT CONTRACT AND WE HAVE A WHOLE TEAM, UM, OF INDIVIDUALS.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO COME OUT AND TALK TO THE BAR ASSOCIATION TO GET THEM TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE, WHAT'S COMING.
AND THE IMPACTS GONNA HAVE ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE GLOBAL, UH, THINGS WE'RE DISCUSSING, BUT THEY ARE COMING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST BRING YOU UP TO SPEED.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, JUDGE, UH, WILEY INDICATED TOO WAS THE E-DISCOVERY THAT'S COMING OUT IN 2014.
UH, THE
WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING FUNCTIONALITY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, UH, THAT E-DISCOVERY REQUIREMENT.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FUNCTIONAL, THAT'S A FUNCTIONALITY THAT'S IN OUR PROSECUTOR PRODUCT.
AND IF THE COUNTY, IF THE DA'S OFFICE DOESN'T EMBRACE THE PROSECUTOR PRODUCT, SHE CAN'T EVER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT CASE MANAGEMENT PART, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE PUT IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ADVANTAGE FOR HER TO MOVE AND KIND OF GETTING, UH, GETTING ON A BEST PRACTICES PATH IN HER OFFICE.
UH, THE HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR HER.
UM, SO, SO THERE'S MANY, MANY, UH, THE WAY THE COUNTY'S DOING BUSINESS TODAY IS VERY QUICKLY GOING TO MORE AND MORE TO THE INTERNET.
SO WHETHER IT'S JURORS GOING ONLINE AND POPULATING THEIR QUESTIONNAIRE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S COMING TOO.
THAT'S A REQUIREMENT, NOT A REQUIREMENT, EXCUSE ME.
BUT THAT'S A CERTAINLY A, AN EXPECTED, UH, FEATURE THAT A LOT OF, UH, JURORS WILL LOOK FOR IN THE FUTURE.
UH, JUDGE'S EDITION, UH, RECORD ON APPEAL WE TALKED ABOUT.
THESE ARE JUST PRODUCTS THAT WE TOUCHED ON THAT WE
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTERS.
WE'RE TALKING SUBJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT THEY ALL WORK HAND IN HAND TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS COUNTY OPERATE IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER TO ALLOW THIS COUNTY TO OPERATE A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S, SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THIS HANDOUT.
IT JUST KIND OF TOUCHES ON ALL A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT GEORGE SAID, UH, LITTLE BIT OF WHAT JUDGE WILEY INDICATED.
WE UH, WE HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA AS AN ACTION, BE AWARE OF IT.
AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL ASK KAREN AND JOHN AND LEAD TO WORK PROCESS THROUGH PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT FUNDING AREAS THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO ACCESS THIS.
YOU BE, AS YOU HEARD ME SAY, I THINK WE WOULD RATHER PAY FOR AND DEDICATE THE FUNDS IF, IF WE POSSIBLY CAN.
WELL, WE'LL GO BACK FOR SURE AND LOOK AT THE STATUTE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT FUNDS AND HOW THEY CAN UTILIZE.
SO WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND THEN WE'LL SPEAK TO KAREN.
THEN WHEN WE MAKE A PRESENTATION, EITHER, UH, AGAIN, Y'ALL NEED OR RIGHT UP THE FIRST OF YEAR, WE CAN SAY YOU CAN USE THIS FOR THAT.
THIS IS THE EXACT COST WITH REAL NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, AND KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT WE, SO I'LL GET TO KAREN.
WELL, AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE LEADERSHIP ROLE WITH THIS.
OH, I, GEORGE WILL SMOOTH ME UP, BUT I, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE WAY, IT'S THE WAY TO STAY WITH, IT'S EASIER TO SAY NOT DO IT, BUT, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE PROBABLY.
WELL, IT REALLY GOT MY ATTENTION WHEN I REALIZED WE OWNED IT.
I MEAN, THE LICENSE IS ONE THING, THE USAGE AND THE DATA IS ANOTHER.
BUT SOME OF THOSE FEES BE, I DUNNO IF THAT HAPPENED IMMEDIATELY, BUT WE ALREADY OWN THAT.
DO YOU HAVE A BALLPARK FIGURE IN MIND AS FAR AS, UH, TIMEFRAME FOR THE CONVERSION? YOU'D HAVE TO SAY PROBABLY, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY BUSY.
SO THE BACKUP WOULD BE, JOHN, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT UH, A PROBABLY ABOUT A FIVE MONTH PROJECT.
UH, AND IN TERMS OF OUR DELIVERY OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE WRAPPING UP THIS YEAR.
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UM, AND HONESTLY I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DATE ON WHEN THAT WOULD START BASED ON WHAT I KNOW IS IN BACKLOG, IT PROBABLY WOULD.THE BEST IT COULD BE PROBABLY WOULD BE MARCH AND, AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STUFF WE CAN DO, BUT PROBABLY THE BEST IT WOULD BE WOULD BE MARCH RIGHT NOW.
BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THAT ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION COMES OUT.
OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM BASED ON PROJECT CURRENTLY GOING, RIGHT.
SO WE START, WE STARTED MARCHING COMPLETE AND UH, IN ESSENCE, SO YEAH, AND THIS IS THE THING THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE AS COST EFFICIENT BECAUSE THE OTHER WOULD BE BECAUSE THIS WAS MY THOUGHT, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE IT WOULD MAKE, THOSE WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE.
I COULD ACTUALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, MY OWN STAFF AFTER HOURS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE ACTUAL CONVERSION.
AND THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEIR TECHNOLOGY, THEY'RE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH.
HOW ABOUT IF THEY DON'T, HOW ABOUT THEY DO A NUMBER WRONG OR DO GET THE INFORMATION CONVERTED WRONG? YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO THE OLD WAY AND ACTUALLY REENTER IT.
UM, JOHN, I TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT THE COST I THINK IS GONNA BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN HIM, THAN IT WOULD BE OF THE OVERTIME OF STAFF TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE.
'CAUSE I ACTUALLY THOUGHT, IS THERE A CHEAPER WAY? IS THERE ANOTHER WAY? THAT'S THE ONLY WAY AND THEN YOU, I'D RATHER IF HE MESSED UP, THEN I COULD BLAME HIM.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATED CALLS.
NO, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET Y'ALL THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE I THINK FIRST WAS TO INFORM YOU AND I KNOW MONEY WAS MY QUESTION THE WHOLE WAY.
SO HE WOULD GIVE ME A NUMBER SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU ONE, DIDN'T GIVE IT TO HIM.
AND WHAT'S IN MO YOU KNOW, AFTER WE MET, WE DID TALK ABOUT IT GLOBALLY, A LOT OF THIS, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO APPROACH IT WITH THE COUNTY.
HOW DO WE START? 'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
UM, BUT IT TAKES ME A LITTLE TIME 'CAUSE WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND THEY ESTIMATE ALL THE SERVICES.
IF IT WAS A, JUST A LICENSE TO GIVE YOU THAT, BUT THERE'S NOT A LICENSE G FOR, UH, FOR WHAT JUDGE WILEY'S SPEAKING ABOUT.
SO IT'S, IT IS A SERVICES ESTIMATE THAT I, I'M GONNA PULL IT TOGETHER AND I SHOULDN'T, LIKE I SAID MY I'M, BECAUSE I KNOW BASED ON DISCUSSION HERE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, WE REALLY SHOULDA DONE THAT.
WELL I THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE DON'T NEXT YEAR DONE THIS YEAR, BUT PRODUCTS NOT DELIVERED UNTIL AUGUST.
IT WOULD BE A NEXT YEAR SIGNED CONTRACT, A CONTRACT FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE WILL START.
IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THAT FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE PLANNED.
BUT ASSUMING WE HAVE MONEY, THESE SPECIAL FUNDS, WE BUDGET MATTER IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS.
AND UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS FROM GEORGE.
GEORGE, UH, WE CAN TABLE JUST NOT TAKE ANY ACTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK, YOU MAKE THAT MOTION.
A ITEM NUMBER TWO, IF DISCUSS, CONSIDER DATA ALL ABOUT GLASS JUDGE FROM TIME TO TIME JUST TO KIND OF PROVE UP WHETHER OUR METHODS ARE SOUND OR NOT.
WE BELIEVE A PEER REVIEW PROCESS.
WE LIKE, JUST, JUST AS YOU FOLKS TALK TO FELLOW COMMISSION, MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW YOUR METHODS ARE SOUND.
WE BRING PEOPLE IN TO VALIDATE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO ONE THING WE LIKE TO DO IS LOOK AT OUR VOICE AND DATA CIRCUIT FROM TIME TO TIME.
BE SURE THAT THE PHONE COMPANIES ARE SLAMMING US, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, EXTRA COSTS, PICK CHARGES.
UH, AND SO, UM, THE AUDITOR, UH, BROUGHT THIS COMPANY ATION.
THERE'S, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHERS.
BUT LISTEN ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT COST THE COUNTY ZERO AND THEY'RE PAID OUT OF THE REVENUE SAVINGS AND OUT OF TAX CARE.
BIG CHARGES AND REFUND THAT WE MAY GET.
UM, BUT I NOTICED ON THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, THE WAY THEY'RE BEING PAID, WE KNOW THAT ONCE WE FINISH THIS PROJECT UPSTAIRS HERE, THEY'RE GONNA BRING A LOT OF THE FOLKS BACK DOWNTOWN AND WE'RE GONNA CUT UP A PRI CIRCUIT AND WE KNOW THAT WE THERE.
SO WE WANT TO JUST LOOK AT IT AND RENEGOTIATE THAT ONE PIECE.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'RE GONNA JUST TABLE THIS PROJECT TILL NEXT MONDAY.
BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT'S
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A PROCESS OF, UM, PEER REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND, YOU KNOW, TO AUDIT BUILDING.SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU NEXT.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME DID YOU SAY WE DID THIS? UM, THE LAST TIME WE USED A GUY NAME OF DON BELL.
I WANNA SAY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS PHONE COMPANIES WILL SNEAK IN EXTRA CHARGES.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T PAY TAXES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T PAY PIC CHARGES, WE DON'T PAY A LOT OF THINGS THAT OTHERS DO.
AND WHAT, WHAT WE DO IS WE BRING IN SOME FUNDS TO LOOK AT THE BILLINGS, UH, KIND OF CLEAN IT UP, MAKE SURE THINGS ARE IN ORDER.
UM, THE FIRST, WELL, WE DID IT 13 YEARS AGO, FIRST TIME, AND WE RECEIVED JUST UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND THE REFUND FROM THE STATE LOCAL GO OR THE I WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR THE IRS STATE.
AND UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE JUST, WE GET MONEY BACK.
BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, TELCO BILLING IS A, IS A SPECIALTY, YOU KNOW, IT FOLKS AREN'T FOCUSED ON THAT.
I MEAN AUDIT, IT'S AN, IT COULD BE A DIFFICULT ISSUE TO AUDIT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS IN THE TELCO INDUSTRY THAT ARE UNIQUE AND CHANGING EVERY LEGISLATIVE YEAR.
SO IT'S TO OUR BENEFIT TO BRING AN EXPERT TO AUDIT THESE BILLS, GET SOME MONEY BACK FOR US, MAKE SURE WE'RE PERSONAL STUFF.
I CLUE I PAY IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I'LL CHALLENGE SPEND ABOUT AN HOUR ON THE PHONE TALKING TO SOMEBODY.
WELL THEY DO THE STORE THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THE, UH, THE SALES TAX THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS ON THE PHONE.
IT COULD BE COMING TO THE COUNTY.
SO YOU BELIEVE BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING THE SALE TAX ON YOUR CELL PHONE REGARDLESS, ALL THE COURT HAS TO DO IS PASS AN ORDER THAT THAT MONEY COMES TO THE COUNTY.
WELL, WE'VE LOOKED INTO THAT LITTLE BIT AND UH, I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A COUNTYWIDE VOTE TO APPROVE THAT IF WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE A SALES TAX.
AND, BUT RIGHT NOW MY BELIEF IS IN FACT, BILLS AND CASH IS PAYING A CITY SALES TAX DOESN'T IN THE CITY AND YOU WERE NOT.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF A STRANGE THAT IT'S KIND OF AY GOOSE.
SO IT'S WORTH, I THINK, INTO THIS COMPANY WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A NATIONAL COMPANY.
SO THEY A LOT OF EXPERIENCE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
SO, SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THAT WE, UH, TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT? YES.
BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY WOULD RECEIVE MONEY FROM US.
THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE.
IF THEY DO, THEN WE'RE BOUND TO, YOU KNOW, PAY THEM THE SAVINGS WE WOULD ENJOY.
BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO THINGS THAT WERE DONE UPSTAIRS.
WELL YOU, UH, WE WANNA RENEGOTIATE THAT.
WELL, YOU HAVE A DOCUMENTATION.
WE GET CONTRACT AND HAND FACT OUT SEEN IT.
UH, BUT WE JUST WANT TO RENEGOTIATE THAT PART.
MR. CLARK SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MANNING.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO YOU'RE PLANNING ON HAVING THIS READY FOR THANK YOU.
CONSIDER ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, EXPENDITURES EXCEEDING $50,000 FOR PRECINCT ONE AND THREE ROAD BRIDGE, STOP AND SURFACE EQUIPMENT SALE.
UH, YOU, YOU MAY REMEMBER WE, UH, TABLED THIS LAST, UH, LAST WEEK.
I THINK THERE WAS A, UH, DUMP TRUCK THAT, UH, THREE SIDE NOT PURCHASE ISSUE WITH THE NOT NEW STANDARDS.
AND, UH, A LETTER WAS, I WAS WRITTEN TO
I JUST, I SPOKE THROUGH, I SAID I'VE, SHE SAID, TELL ME HOW.
THE ONLY QUESTION I'VE GOT, UH, OFFICER POINTED THIS OUT, UH, ON THE EMAIL FROM, UH, VICKY DAVIS.
UH, IT MENTIONS WE $8,000 FOR THE TRUCK AND THE TRUCK WAS 83 80.
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GOOD WITH IT.I THINK DIDN'T REALIZE BASED ON WE WERE NON, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE EQUIPMENT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE? DO WE SECOND COMMISSIONER SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY ALL ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ADVERTISING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR TRANSPORTATION, STRATEGIC PLANNING, FUNDING AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT SERVICES.
UH, JUDGE, THIS IS THE, UH, I GUESS FIRST PHASE OF THE TRANSPORTATION PAST HIRING, HIRING NEW FOLKS PROJECT.
I'M ASKING PERMISSION TO, UH, ADVERTISE FOR RRP.
I DON'T HAVE A DATE FOR THIS TIME, MR. TOGETHER.
AND THIS WOULD BE, AND THAT WILL GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS? CORRECT.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE REQUEST FROM JACK ON THE A WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SECOND.
UH, NUMBER FIVE IS DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING A REBATE CHECK FROM BY FOR PARTICIPATE IN COOPERATIVE PROGRAM.
I THINK I HOW THIS IS GONNA COME OUT, UH, GENTLEMEN, THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE, UH, UH, LETTER FROM MY BOARD.
UH, FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE, UH, BASICALLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH I BOARD, I GUESS PAY ALL OUR, ALL THEIR EXPENSES COVERED, UH, THEY REBATE BACK TO THE, AND SO THIS YEAR WE'VE GOT A REBATE CHECK OF 8 67.
DOES THAT PERCENTAGE YOUR YEAR, JACK? IT DOES.
IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPEND GOES UP.
WELL, I KNOW THE DAUGHTER THAT WILL GO UP, BUT THE, UH, THE PERCENTAGE BECAUSE IT STAYED I HEARD YOU.
IS THE IT DEPARTMENT STILL HERE?
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE FORWARD CARE OF FOR JUDGE.
THAT IS SOMETHING WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, THESE 18 WHEELERS PASS ABOUT 10 FEET BEHIND YOUR, BEHIND YOUR BACK.
AS SOON AS WE GET UPSTAIRS AND GET AWAY FROM THAT WALL, THAT'LL BE SOLVED.
IN THE MEANTIME, I RECOMMEND WE TURN THAT THING OFF.
WELL, I HAVE PEOPLE FUSS THEN SAYING THEY CAN'T HEAR US, SO, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE BEGINNING TO HEAR OVER THAT MAN, WE MAY NOT, I KNOW WE, WE BROUGHT IN, WE BROUGHT IN, UH, CAM AUDIO FOLKS THAT JACK KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S FACT.
I MEAN, IT'S, WE'RE THAT CLOSE.
IT'S LIKE BEING NEXT TO A TANK ROUND.
WE, YOU KNOW, BLOWING OFF NEXT TO, OKAY, YOU GONNA, THAT REALLY WASN'T ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE'LL TALK.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET, WHEN WE GET UPSTAIRS, WE ON THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE SOME DAYS IT'S WORSE THAN OTHERS.
UH, WE, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS CHECK.
SO COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? A A ALRIGHT.
AND, UH, UPDATE ON THE VEHICLE POLICY.
Y'ALL ARE ON THE MEETING IN JANUARY.
ALRIGHT, NOW ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AND, UH, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE THIS MORNING.
WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT ARE COMING IN TO TALK TO US TODAY.
UH, FIRST IS DREW CAMPBELL WITH ALL MATTY AUTOMATED SERVICE PRESENTATION, ONLINE SCHOOL SAFETY PROGRAM.
I THINK, DID WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AT ONE TIME? IN THE LAST YES, TWO OR THREE MONTHS OR SO? YES.
AND SO, UH, WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS.
UH, DREW, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, I'M STILL A DALLAS COWBOY FAMILY
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BUT, UH, BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE THINK THIS IS A, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT THE COUNTY CAN UTILIZE TO, UH, CONTINUE TO INCREASE, UH, THE QUALITY OF THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT FOOTPRINT IN AND AROUND THE, OUR SCHOOLS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDE THE FOR, FOR A NEW REVENUE SOURCE.
UH, AT THIS POINT, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA LET, UH, BECAUSE I'VE LEARNED THIS A LONG TIME AGO, LET EXPERTS EXPLAIN THINGS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO THE CHIEF COUNSEL OF AT S MR. GEORGE HITTNER, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO START OFF WITH, I SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT COPIES OF, UH, SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS, SOME OF THE INFORMATION I SHARE WITH JUDGE WOOD.
UH, SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY CONCERNS OTHERWISE, GEORGE WILL KIND OF VERY QUICKLY GO THROUGH WHAT IT IS OUR PROGRAM DOES, HOW OUR PROGRAM IS DIFFERENT, AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO PARTNER UP WITH THE COUNTY.
THIS ISN'T A PROGRAM WHERE, UH, UH, WE'RE IN CHARGE IS A PROGRAM WHERE YOU'RE IN CHARGE.
AND, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WHAT WE SEE IS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WITH THAT, I WANNA INTRODUCE MR. HITTNER.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
UH, MY NAME IS GEORGE HITTNER.
I'M THE, UH, GENERAL COUNSEL AND HEAD OF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS FOR A COMPANY CALLED AMERICAN TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS.
UH, I HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT THERE'S A WHITE BOARD.
I'M JUST GONNA WALK THROUGH IT OR I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AS WE GO.
THIS IS, UH, HIT ME WITH 'EM AS YOU GOT 'EM.
BUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AMERICAN TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS.
WE ARE THE LARGEST PROVIDER OF PHOTO ENFORCEMENT SERVICES IN THE UNITED STATES IN NORTH AMERICA.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE OVER 3,200, UH, CAMERAS INSTALLED.
UH, I'M A NATIVE TEXAN, BUT, UH, UH, WE ARE HEADQUARTERED IN ARIZONA.
AND, UM, WE HAVE 700 TO 800 EMPLOYEES AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
AND WE HAVE A, A LOT OF LARGE, UH, COUNTIES, UH, AND CITIES THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY CURRENTLY HAVE 22 CUSTOMERS IN TEXAS ON PHOTO ENFORCEMENT, DIFFERENT TYPES OF PHOTO ENFORCEMENT.
UM, AS YOU, AS I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SPEEDING IN SCHOOL ZONES.
HOPEFULLY, UH, IN YOUR MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH, YOU ARE IN RECEIPT OF A LETTER, UH, FROM BAKER BOX OFFERED BY FORMER CHIEF JUSTICE OF DETECTIVE SUPREME COURT, TOM PHILLIPS, EXPLAINING HOW COUNTIES ARE ALLOWED TO USE SPEED ENFORCEMENT, UH, WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.
UH, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, IN 2007, THE STATE OF TEXAS, I, I FAILED TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
UH, MATERIAL THAT I'M MISTAKE.
I'LL MAKE SURE THEY GET A SURE.
UM, IN 2007, A NUMBER OF COUNTIES AND CITIES WERE OPERATING RED LIGHT CAMERAS.
PRIOR TO STATE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAW THEY WERE DOING SO UNDER HOME RULE, UH, POWERS.
IN 2007, THE LEGISLATURE CAME IN AND REGULATED, UH, VIA STATEWIDE UNIFORM CODE, UH, RED LIGHT CAMERAS.
AT THE SAME TIME, THEY GRANDFATHERED IN THE CITIES AND THE COUNTIES THAT WERE OPERATING RED LIGHT CAMERAS PRIOR TO THAT.
SO THOSE WHO HAVE CONTRACTED BEFORE THE LEGISLATION, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE THOSE UNDER THOSE PROGRAMS. AT THE SAME TIME, IN 2007, ONE OF OUR SMALLER COMPETITORS PUT A SPEED CAMERA ON THE HIGHWAY OUTSIDE OF MARBLE FALLS.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LEGISLATIVE SECTION, THE LEGISLATURE CAME IN AND SAID, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SPEED CAMERAS IN TEXAS, OR, SO WE THOUGHT, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT, UH, THIS YEAR, AND IT'S RESTRICTED TO MUNICIPALITIES, COUNTIES CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, THE COUNTY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PUT THE CAMERAS WHEREVER THEY WANT.
HOWEVER, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING AROUND THE STATE, WE ARE ENCOURAGING YOU TO DO THIS IN SCHOOL ZONES FOR THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN.
UM, WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS POLITICALLY AND AND ABLE TO BE SUMMIT BEST.
UM, AND OUR POLLING, ESPECIALLY IN THE DALLAS METROPLEX, IS OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS JUST, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT DATA AS WELL.
UH, PHOTO ENFORCEMENT ACTS AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER, BASICALLY ALLOWING YOUR, UH, THE SHERIFF AND THE CONSTABLES TO GO OUT AND, AND PROTECT OTHER AND SOLVE OTHER TYPES OF CRIME, HAVE OTHER PROTECTION ON THE STREETS WHILE PROTECTING THE SCHOOL ZONE DURING SCHOOL HOURS.
UH, FOR SPEECH, UH, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, GONNA BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME IS WHEN BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS, AFTER SCHOOL ENDS, AND THEN YOU DRIVE THE VAN AWAY.
LITERALLY, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ENFORCING IT AT ALL TIMES.
YOU'RE ALSO NOT TALKING ABOUT INSIGNIFICANT INFRACTIONS
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HERE.WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU, THE COUNTY, AND, AND AS DREW ALLUDED TO THE COUNTY, IS MASTERED OF ITS OWN DESTINY.
THE COUNTY CAN SET THAT SPEED THRESHOLD WHEREVER IT LIKES.
SO YOU DO NOT GET A TICKET FOR GOING ONE MILE AN HOUR OVER DURING THE SCHOOL ZONE.
SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE A SCHOOL ZONE THAT HAS, UH, 20 MILE AN HOUR SCHOOL DURING PICK UP AND DROP OFF TIME.
YOU SET THAT SPEED THRESHOLD AT SIX OR SEVEN OVER.
SO YOU'RE TICKETING FOLKS ARE GOING OVER 25% HIGHER THAN THE SPEED THE POSTED SPEED THRESHOLD.
LIKEWISE, WHEN IT'S NOT DURING PICKUP OR DROP OFF TIMES, SAY IT'S 35 MILE AN HOUR ZONE, YOU CAN SET THAT THRESHOLD AT NINE, 10 OR 11 OVER.
SO YOU'RE REALLY ONLY TARGETING TICKETING FOLKS THAT ARE EGREGIOUS VIOLATORS.
UM, THERE ARE NO POINTS THERE, IMPORTANT NO POINTS AND NO INSURANCE HITS FOR THESE TICKETS.
WHEREAS A STANDARD POLICE OFFICER, SHERIFF, POSSIBLE PULLS YOU OVER, ISSUED YOU A TICKET, THERE ARE POINTS AND IS REPORTED TO YOUR INSURANCE.
THIS IS TREATED VERY MUCH LIKE A PARKING TICKET, VERY MUCH LIKE A WHITE CAMERA TICKET.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT ACCOMPANIES IT IS, WELL, THE PASSAGE OF THIS, THE COUNTY WOULD ALSO PASS WHAT'S KNOWN, I THINK, IN TEXAS AS A STOCK LAW.
THAT'S THE WAY I'VE HEARD IT, UH, REFERRED TOWA WHERE YOU HOLD SOMEONE'S REGISTRATION.
SO IF THEY DON'T PAY WHEN THEY GO RENEW THEIR REGISTRATION, THEY HAVE TO PAY THIS AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S A MUCH LOWER FINE.
UH, IDEALLY YOU'LL HAVE THE POWER TO SET THE FINE WHEREVER YOU LINE.
THE FINE FOR GETTING PULLED OVER BY A POLICE OFFICER IN A SCHOOL ZONE RANGES FROM $212 TO $312 BEST PRACTICES.
UM, AGAIN, NO POINTS, NO INSURANCE IS ABOUT 120 $550 FINE.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE COUNTY IS ITS MASTER ITS OWN DESTINY ON THAT.
UH, WE HAVE OVERWHELMING STATISTICS AND, AND THEY'RE IN THE PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A WHITEBOARD, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, THAT I CAN LOG YOU THROUGH.
BUT THERE IS ZERO CAPITAL EXPENSE, UH, TO THE COUNTY IN THIS PROJECT.
BASICALLY, AS REVENUE START COMING IN FOR OUR CONTRACT, WE, WE GET PAID FOR DOING ABOUT 90% OF THE WORK.
ABOUT 40% OF THE TRAFFIC FINE THAT COMES IN, KIND OF GETS TO KEEP THE REST AND SPEND IT, UH, HOPEFULLY ON PUBLIC SAFETY OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU NEED APPROPRIATE.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UM, DISTRICTS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE THESE, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE JUST NOW ROLLING OUT IN TEXAS AND IT'S TARGETED SPECIFICALLY IN COUNTIES.
UH, THERE ARE, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF COUNTIES IN TEXAS THAT HAVE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA THAT HAVE VOTED TO APPROVE IT AND THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH ON THE CONTRACT.
UM, BUT FOR INSTANCE, SEATTLE, CHICAGO, NEW YORK CITY, UH, ARIZONA, HAVE A NUMBER OF SCHOOL SAFETY PROGRAMS. UH, LOUISIANA HAS SOME, ALABAMA HAS SOME, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU A LIST OF THOSE AS WELL.
UM, LITTLE STATISTICS, BUT AGAIN, FIRE QUESTIONS AT MAY, UH, AS YOU WANT.
IN TEXAS LAST YEAR, THERE WERE AN AVERAGE OF TWO FATALITIES ON THE ROADWAYS EVERY DAY.
UM, AND THE VAST MAJORITY WERE RELATED TO SPEED.
AND 51% OF SPEED RELATED FATALITIES OCCUR ON ROADS WITH SPEED LIMITS AT 50 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS.
SO IT'S A LOT MORE THAN YOU, THAN YOU OTHERWISE MIGHT IMAGINE.
UM, THE, UM, THE ALMOST 6,000 SERIOUS INJURED CRASHES ATTRIBUTED TO SPEED COST TEXAS COMMUNITY COMMUNITIES AN ESTIMATED $735 MILLION LAST YEAR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALONG THE LINES OF DEPLOYMENT OF CITY AND COUNTY RESOURCES TO CLEAN UP THE TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH.
UM, UH, A TWO YEAR STUDY OF TEXAS SCHOOLS FOUND THAT SPEEDS INCREASE HIS MOTORIST DRIVE THROUGH.
THE ZONE SPEEDS INCREASE ONE MILE AN HOUR FOR EVERY 500 FEET DRIVEN.
IN OTHER WORDS, FOR EVERY QUARTER MILE SPEEDS CAN BE EXPECTED TO INCREASE ALMOST TWO AND A HALF MILES PER HOUR.
UM, IN KALIN COUNTY LAST YEAR, Y'ALL HAD 204 SPEED RELATED CRASHES, MAKING THE COUNTY THE 25TH HIGHEST NUMBER OF CRASHES IN TEXAS SCHOOL.
NO, THIS IS CRASHES IN, IN TOTAL, UH, OF THOSE 204 CRASHES, 4% WERE FATALITIES, 22%, UH, WERE SERIOUS INJURY AND 16% WERE OTHER INJURIES.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN OVERWHELMINGLY WITH THE DEPLOYMENT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS THAT IT CREATES A HALO EFFECT.
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THE COUNTY CAN DEPLOY THESE CAMERAS, RUBBER WANTS OF THE TARGETING SCHOOL ZONES.THAT CREATES A HALO EFFECT THAT REDUCES ALL OTHER CRASHES IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE SEEN THAT TIME TO TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY.
UM, THE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS FCC CERTIFIED.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, FRONTAL PICTURES OF THE DRIVER.
IT, YOU'RE IDENTIFIED WHO OWNS THE VEHICLE, AND YOU'RE SENDING THE TICKET TO THAT PERSON.
THAT PERSON HAS THE ABILITY TO THEN TRANSFER TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
JUST TO SAY THIS, YOU LEND YOUR CAR TO SOMEBODY AND THEY BLOW THE POLE ON THE DALLAS HOLE, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, YOU BORROWED MY CAR, I GOT A $20 TICKET TO PAY ME.
UM, THE OPTIONS FOR THE INCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY ARE LIMITED TO A SPEED BAND OR, OR A TRIPOD OR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PUT OUT AND AND REMOVE.
UH, FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS YOU ACTUALLY CAN'T INSTALL LIKE FIXED POLE.
UH, THAT'S THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
AND THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF WHERE YOU CAN DO IT.
THAT'S COVERED IN THE, UM, IN THE PILLOW SWEATER AS WELL.
UH, WE CAN, WE CAN MONITOR UP THE SIX LANES OF TRAFFIC, UM, AND, UH, EVERYTHING IS DONE WIRELESSLY.
SO NO THUMB DRIVES, NO, UH, HAVE TO PLUG IT INTO INTERNET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU, UM, IF I CAN TURN THIS AROUND, WHEN YOU GET A CITATION, IT WILL HAVE THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN SEE THAT OR NOT, BUT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT'S ON THE CITATION.
IT'S THE DATE OF THE VIOLATION, THE TIME OF THE VIOLATION.
UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR COMPANY A TS DOES ABOUT 90% OF THE WORK, WHAT IS REQUIRED FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, ONE IS TO TAKE THE VAN OUT AND BRING IT BACK IN THE MORNING.
UH, TAKE IT OUT IN THE MORNING, BRING IT BACK AT NIGHT, SORRY.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO ACTUALLY HAVE A POLICE OFFICER REVIEW THE VIOLATION BECAUSE IT IS MUCH BETTER FOR YOU IF A LOCAL POLICE OFFICER ISSUES THESE VIOLATIONS.
WE WILL THEN AFFIX AN ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE OF THAT POLICE OFFICER TO THE VIOLATION THAT GOES OUT.
IT GOES OUT, UH, YOU RECEIVE IT IN THE MAIL.
DUNBAR KAUFMAN COUNTY, UH, STATIONARY.
SO, AND AGAIN, SO YOU HAVE AN OFFICER ID, UH, ON THE VIOLATION.
YOU HAVE THE VEHICLE ID, WHICH IS BASICALLY A LICENSE PLATE, WHAT THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT WAS, WHAT THE VIOLATION SPEED WAS, HOW FAST THE CAR WAS DRIVING, UM, THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL, UM, THE LANE, THE VEHICLE TYPE, AND THE RADAR ID.
SO IT'S ALL COVERED TOP, TOP OF BOTTOM.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT, WE HAVE, UH, VANS, WE HAVE MAILBOX LOOKING THINGS, AND WE HAVE, UH, A TRIPOD, UH, AS WELL.
YOU KEEP REFERRING TO THE MOBILE, UH, THE MOBILE SYSTEM.
WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE THAN MOBILE SYSTEM OR THE FIXED CAMERA SYSTEM IN A SCHOOL ZONE? IT DEPENDS ON THE PROBLEM YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.
UH, THE SPEEDING IN A SCHOOL ZONE.
SO, UH, THEY'RE BOTH VERY EFFECTIVE.
THE BENEFIT OF THE INSTALL UNIT IS THAT NOBODY HAS TO DEPLOY IT IN THE MORNING AND COME BACK AND PICK IT UP.
UH, BUT LIKEWISE WITH THE MOBILE UNIT, UM, HOWEVER MANY SCHOOLS YOU HAVE, UH, IN COFFMAN COUNTY, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 50 SCHOOLS IN, IN COFFMAN.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO START OFF WITH SAY, FIVE VANS, THE BENEFIT OF THAT IS YOU CAN ROTATE THOSE VANS TO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS EVERY DAY.
WHEREAS YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH A, A FIXED INSTALLED POLE.
SO IT, IT GOES A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT KIND OF SOLUTION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THE VANS HAVE A BETTER EFFECT OF DETERRING SPEEDING IN ALL, UH, DUR IN, IN ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
IT'S EVERY DAY ON YOUR WAY TO WORK.
YOU PASS THE SCHOOL AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY THAT VAN'S GONNA BE THERE.
VERSUS IF THERE'S A FIXED INSTALLED ONE EVERY DAY WHEN YOU GO TO WORK, YOU KNOW THAT FIXED CAMERA'S GONNA BE THERE.
SO IT'S A MORE PERMANENT, UH, REDUCTION OF SPEED IN THE JURISDICTION.
IN THE, IN THE LOCATION WHERE YOU INSTALL THE FIXED CAMERAS, YOU MEAN THE, UH, FIXED CAMERA CANNOT BE PUT IN THE CITY, IS THAT RIGHT? THE FIXED CAMERAS CANNOT BE PUT IN THE CITY.
THE MOBILE UNIT MAY JUST THE SAME AS YOUR SHERIFFS OR CONSTABLES HAVE THE CONCURRENT JURISDICTION, THE BE ABLE TO
SAME CONCEPT APPLIES TO THE MOBILE VAN UNIT.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEPLOY ON CITY STREETS, UM, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTALL IN
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THE CITY.BUT IF WE HAD A CAMPUS THAT WAS IN A RURAL AREA IN THAT UNINCORPORATED AREA, YOU COULD USE THOSE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE OTHER, MAYBE FOUR.
I GUESS THEY MAY BE IN THERE THAT INCLUDE E-T-J-I-I, THE ONLY DISTINCTION I'M AWARE OF IS INCORPORATED VERSUS UNINCORPORATED.
I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT TJ WOULD BE, WOULD BE FINE.
UM, IN LAUNCHING THIS PROGRAM, OUR COMPANY DOES TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN.
WE WANT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO KNOW WE'RE HERE, WE'RE GONNA WRAP THE VEHICLES WITH A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR KIDS.
GO TO SCHOOL HERE, DON'T SPEED, SLOW DOWN.
UM, AND WE WILL PUT THE LOGO OF THE SHERIFF OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER, THE COUNTY WANTS TO DESIGN THE VANS ON THE VANS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THE SLOW DOWN.
THIS IS THE, THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO SLOW DOWN.
THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT SELF-FUNDING PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE SPEEDERS IN SCHOOL ZONES.
IT, IT'S AMAZING WHAT WHAT I SEE ON THE DAILY BASIS.
AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAD SOME INCIDENTS, UH, IN ADDITION TO A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN, WE WILL ALSO WORK WITH YOU TO SET UP A, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, OUTREACH PROGRAM, UH, FOR THIS PROGRAM.
SO FACEBOOK, TWITTER, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, WHEN SOMEBODY GETS A TICKET, THEY CAN GO RIGHT ON THE INTERNET, PAY IT.
THEY NEVER HAVE TO COME INTO THE, THE COURT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE RESULTS, AND I'LL RUN THROUGH 'EM QUICKLY, THE CITY OF BRENTON, WASHINGTON VIOLATIONS OF SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL ZONES DOWN 65%.
CITY OF BELLEVUE, DOWN 29%, UH, CITY OF LAKE FOREST DOWN 61%.
CITY OF LINWOOD, DOWN 56%, CITY OF FEDERAL, WAY DOWN 17%, UM, 50, UH, THE KING COUNTY, SEATTLE, WASHINGTON.
SINCE OCTOBER, 2012, UH, THROUGH MAY OF 2013, UH, SEATTLE SAW A REDUCTION OF 59% OF SPEEDING IN SCHOOL ZONES.
LIKEWISE, WHEN WE DEPLOYED THIS IN MESA, ARIZONA, UH, THE AVERAGE SPEED THROUGH A SCHOOL ZONE WAS 46.6 MILES AN HOUR AFTER THE DEPLOYMENT OF THESE SPEEDING IN THE SCHOOL ZONE REDUCED ALMOST 10 MILES AN HOUR TO 36 TO 0.8 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, I'VE ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FINE AND THE STRUCTURE, UH, NO POINTS, NO REGISTERED ON RELIABILITY.
AND, UM, I'M REALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IN YOUR PUBLICATION OF SETTING THIS UP.
I GUESS THERE WOULD BE A PAMPHLET OR SOMETHING GIVEN TO PARENTS, PARENTS RECEIVE OR SOME NOTIFICATION.
SO AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY, WE WILL PREPARE INSERTS ON UTILITY BILLS, ON PROPERTY TAX BILLS, OR WHATEVER, UH, METHOD YOU WANT.
WE WILL, WE WILL PRODUCE THOSE MATERIALS, UH, TELL 'EM ABOUT THE PROGRAM, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE, AND IT'LL, IT'LL GO OUT IN THE MAIL.
UH, WE CAN ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A, UH, A LOCAL NOOSE STATION, WE CAN PREPARE VIDEOS AND CRASH DATA STUFF TO RUN ON LOCAL TELEVISION NEWS STATIONS OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.
THE, UH, WHAT, AND, AND I KNOW THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN EFFECT IN OTHER STATES, UH, FOR TEXAS, WHAT HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE WITH ALL OF THE TEXTING AND THE CELL PHONE USE? YOU KNOW, IT'S, MANY OF OUR CITIES I KNOW HAVE SIGNS OF NO CELL PHONE USAGE.
UH, WHAT, HOW HAS THAT AFFECTED, UM, SPEED IN, IN SCHOOLS BEING DISTRACTED, I GUESS? WELL, I BELIEVE ACTUALLY TEXAS, JUST LAST SESSION, LEGISLATIVE SESSION PASSED THE STATEWIDE BAN ON TEXTING AND SCHOOL ZONES.
AND, AND THAT FINE IS OVER $300 AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WITH REGARD TO ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHAT WE SEE IS WE SEE MORE, MORE PEOPLE BECOMING LESS AND LESS CONCENTRATED ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING, ESPECIALLY IN SCHOOL ZONES.
STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE STARTING TO PASS MORE AND MORE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO IN SCHOOLS ZONES, INCLUDING THE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY, INCLUDING TEXTING.
UM, IT'S REALLY GOTTEN OUTTA HAND OF THE STATISTICS THAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING LESS AND LESS ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY IN SCHOOL ZONES.
UH, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE GOING THROUGH IT MOST OF THE TIME.
WE SET UP, WE SET UP A, UH, UH, PILOT IN WINNIE, TEXAS IN, UH, CHAMBERS COUNTY, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND, UH, WE SAW ON AVERAGE, AND EVEN WITH A POLICE CAR ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD DIRECTING TRAFFIC, WE SAW AN AVERAGE OF 25 VIOLATIONS OF DAY WITH A POLICE CAR SITTING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S CONSIDERED LOW AS FAR AS VIOLATIONS, UH, VIOLATION COUNTS ARE CONCERNED.
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YOU JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT WE SEE ON A DAILY BASIS.BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE DEPLOYMENT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY GETS PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE IT ONLY TAKES GETTING IT ONE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO START PAYING ATTENTION.
AND, BUT THAT'S TO, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING'S QUESTION.
THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A, A ROAMING FORCE ON THE, ON THE, UH, THE VANS MEANS THAT YOU HAVE MORE OF A CONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE COUNTY.
SO THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WOULD BE TO, UH, HAVE DRIVERS THAT WOULD TAKE THE VANS OR WHATEVER TO A, UH, A LOCATION TO BE WHO DETERMINES THE LOCATION THE COUNTY IS.
WE, WE WILL COME IN AND WE WILL FORM ANALYSIS OF ALL YOUR SCHOOL ZONES ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU THINK YOU WANT TO EMPLOY THEM AND LET YOU KNOW BASICALLY WHAT VIOLATION COUNTS WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BE AND HOW THEY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO DECREASE OVER TIME.
UM, BUT THE WAY THAT IT GENERALLY WORKS IS YOU HAVE TWO COPS IN THE COP CAR.
ONE CAR, UH, GO, GOES, PICKS UP THE VAN, THEIR COP CAR FOLLOWS IT, DROPS IT OFF AT SAY SIX 30 IN THE MORNING, GETS BACK INTO THE CRUISERS, GOES ON, DOES THEIR JOB FOR THE DAY, AND ANOTHER COP CAR COMES OUT, TWO PEOPLE IN IT, ONE OF 'EM GETS INTO THE VAN, DRIVES IT BACK TO THE DEPOT, PLUGS IT IN AT NIGHT SO HE CAN RECHARGE.
AND THAT'S HOW GENERALLY ONE, THE JUDGE, THE, UH, I MET WITH ONE OF THE DEPUTY CONSTABLES APPEARED TO CALL.
AND THE REQUIREMENT OF COURSE IS, IS THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS TO SIGN OFF ON, ON THE VIDEO SHOWING THAT IT IS AN ACTUAL VIOLATION.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, YOU INDICATED TO HIM OR SOMEONE INDICATED IT TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES A DAY.
SO, UM, IT TAKES A MAXIMUM 20 SECONDS PER VIOLATION.
SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR, YOUR ACCOUNT IS.
UM, BUT WE WILL, THERE'S, THERE'S NO ACTUAL SIGNING OF ANYTHING.
YOU WILL BE GIVEN A LOGIN, YOU CAN DO THIS ALL ON COMPUTER.
WHAT OUR FOLKS BACK IN ARIZONA ARE DOING.
THEY'RE CUTTING AND CLIPPING THE VIOLATIONS AND SETTING 'EM UP AND TELLING YOU WHAT THE POSTED SPEED ARE AND HOW FAST SOMEBODY WAS GOING.
AND THEY'RE ARRANGING ALL THAT INFORMATION AND THE INDIVIDUAL VIOLATIONS.
AND THEN YOU EITHER A CONSTABLE OR A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY LOG ONTO THIS SYSTEM AND SIT IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER, SAY, YES, ISSUE THIS ONE.
AND THEN LOGGING IN, THEY GIVE THEIR NAME, AND THEN WHOEVER IT IS THAT LOGS IN THEIR ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE AND BADGE NUMBER WILL BE ELECTRONICALLY AFFIXED TO THE CITATION THAT GOES OUT MAIL.
I THINK YOU SAID THIS COULD EVEN BE DONE FROM THEIR HOME, THAT Y'ALL YES, SIR.
YOU SAID THIS IS CELL PHONE? YES, SIR.
UM, I SEE A WHOLE LOT OF CROP IN HERE TO THE COUNTY.
UM, SAYS CUSTOMER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FUEL, RETAIN MAINTENANCE, OIL CHANGES, TIRES, UH, ON ANY VEHICLE WHICH COUNTY SYSTEM IS INSTALLED.
UM, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INSURANCE.
WE, WE INSURED, WE INSURED THE VEHICLES.
YEAH, I THINK YOU WOULD INSURE THE DRIVER.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE, IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE TO THE CAMERAS, AND GENERALLY THAT WOULD BE, SAY, VANDALISM IF YOU HAVE THE STATIONARY COUNTY.
SO OUR, OUR GOAL, WELL, I, I GUESS LET ME, LET ME TAKE YOUR FIRST ONE THEN I'LL COME TO, TO THE VANDALISM.
BUT THE A TS HAS A PRICING STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN OFFER IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD PUT, HAVE US TOTALLY PUT PEOPLE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, MANNING THE VEHICLES, MOVING 'EM DURING THE DAY, PUTTING 'EM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, TAKING CARE OF THE VEHICLES IN AND OF THEMSELVES, TURNKEY TURN, TURNKEY.
BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
IT'S MORE MONEY TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE LOCALLY EMPLOYED TO PAY THEIR BENEFITS AND OVER TIME AND SO FORTH.
OUR GOAL IS TO SET YOU UP, SAY, HERE IT IS.
UM, AND FOR THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, EXACTLY.
OIL CHANGES, TIRES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THERE'S EVER AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
IT'S BOTH IN THE COUNTY'S INTEREST AND IN A TS INTEREST TO KEEP THAT VEHICLE OUT ON THE ROAD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, REDUCING SAFETY AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING RESULTS.
THAT BEING SAID, UM, WE DO HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT, UH, TO PRICE THAT MODEL, IF YOU'D LIKE.
AND YOUR SECOND QUESTION WAS WITH REGARD TO VANDALISM, UM, GENERALLY THAT FALLS UNDER THE, THE VENDOR'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO PAY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, REDOING THE RADAR OR THINGS LIKE THAT AS LONG AS THE, UH, AS LONG AS THE VANS ARE OUT AND OPERATING, WE'RE ON THE SAME TEAM.
SO YOU'RE BASING MOST OF YOUR FIGURES ON THE, THE MOLD UNITS.
MOST OF THE, MOST OF THOSE, UH, IN THERE ARE BASED ON MOBILE UNITS.
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UH, ONGOING MAINTENANCE WITH THE FIXED INSTALL.BUT THAT IS A RESTRICTION IN TEXAS LAW.
AND THE MOBILE UNITS WOULD BE USED MAINLY IN THE INCORPORATED CITIES.
THEY COULD BE USED WHEREVER YOU LIKE IN THE JOHN, NOT HELP OUT ON THIS, ON THE, ON THE FINE AND THE MUNICIPALITY.
DOES MOST OF THE FINE MONEY GO TO THE CITY INSTEAD OF THE COUNTY.
WE'D WANNA WORK THAT OUT, UM, THE FRONT END.
BUT TYPICALLY IT DOES GO TO THE CITY.
I MEAN, SO HOW WOULD THE COUNTY, I THINK, COLLECT ALL THIS MONEY IF IT'S GOING, GONNA EXCEED? WELL, WE ENTERING THE SUM RIGHT NOW, IS IT THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL SPEED AND CITY YOU HAVE CONCURRENT, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR ATTORNEY, BUT YOU DO HAVE CONCURRENT JURISDICTION TO ENFORCE, UH, TRAFFIC LAWS WITH THE CITY.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION, FOR THESE VIOLATIONS, 100% OF WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD RAISE, UH, WITH THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE HOWEVER THEY WANTED TO STUDY.
WHETHER THAT WAS, UH, ON SAFETY PROJECTS OR FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT PROJECTS OR FOR CITY PROJECTS, WOULD BE TOTALLY YOUR, YOUR CALL THAT'S PROVIDED THE COUNTY GETS BY YOU DOESN'T GO TO THE CITY OR ARE YOU SAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS FINE MONEY WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY? YES, SIR.
BECAUSE OF COUNTY INVENTORY? YES, SIR.
AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE SOME WHERE COUNTIES HAVE SHARED SOME OF THAT REVENUE WITH THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? WE DO.
AS A PART OF KIND OF A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WORKING TOGETHER.
UH, WE, WE HAVE THE, THE, THESE PROGRAMS DRAW OFF REVENUE AND WE GENERALLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO TO PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, PROJECTS.
SO WE'VE SEEN CITIES AND COUNTIES SPEND THE MONEY ON DUI, CHECKPOINT VANS ON DRUG DOGS ON REDOING THE, THE STREETS TO MAKE THEM 80 A COMPLIANT LEASE, UH, TO PAY FOR ALL CROSSING GUARDS WITHIN A SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE HAVE SEEN EVERYTHING, UH, A LOT OF GOOD STUFF COMES FROM THESE PROGRAMS AS FAR AS FUNDING, INCLUDING COUNTDOWN TIMERS, FLASHING YELLOW LIGHTS IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UH, FOR SCHOOL, AS I SAID, THIS IS NOT A GOTCHA PROGRAM.
ON YOUR EXHIBIT A ON THE SERVICE FEE SCHEDULE, UH, YOU HAVE A WARNING PERIOD OF SERVICE FEE FIRST MONTH PROGRAM.
UH, IS OUR COST 2,900 PER CAMERA PER MONTH? YES, SIR.
SO THE WAY THAT WOULD WORK IS WE WOULD, IF, IF THE COUNTY IS NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A WARNING PERIOD, UH, WHEN THEY ROLL THIS PROGRAM OUT, IF THEY CHOSE, IF YOU CHOSE TO HAVE A WARNING PERIOD, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD DEFER BILLING ON THAT UNTIL REVENUE STARTED COMING IN.
SO YOU WOULD ACTUALLY NEVER COME OUT OF POCKET ON THAT.
BUT IF YOU GOT, IF YOU GOT FIVE BANDS, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT 2,900 A MONTH.
THAT'S JUST, SO IF YOU RUN 30 DAYS, MY QUESTION IS, IS, UH, WHAT DO YOU BASE THESE FIGURES ON? IN OTHER WORDS, VIOLATIONS PER CAMERA PER DAY, 50 VIOLATIONS PER CAMERA, PER DAY.
THAT, IS THAT AN AVERAGE OF WHAT YOUR COMPANY, THAT IS AN AVERAGE.
AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT IT'S ALSO BALANCED AGAINST THE NUMBER, HOW LONG IT IS, UH, IT'S DEPLOYED.
SO THE 50 VIOLATIONS A DAY ON THAT IS OUR, I'M SORRY, WHAT WE EXPECT, BUT IT MAY NOT REACH THAT.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
AS LONG AS THE, AS LONG AS THE VAN IS OUT AND DEPLOYED FOR THE REQUISITE NUMBER OF HOURS, Y'ALL WILL NEVER PAY ANYTHING.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS ON OCCASION IS YOU JUST LOCK THESE UP IN A STORE, THEN SOMEBODY FORGETS TO PUT 'EM OUT FOR A MONTH, AND THEN WE'RE SITTING THERE ON, ON EQUIPMENT THAT NEVER GETS USED.
BUT THE PRICE, THE 60 40 SPLIT THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER IS BASED ON 50 VIOLATIONS A DAY.
BUT IF YOU DON'T GET 50 VIOLATIONS A DAY, YOU DON'T COME OUT OF POCKET FOR ANYTHING AS LONG AS THE BAN WAS DEPLOYED PER THE AGREEMENT, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE, THIS IS A DRAFT CONTRACT.
WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SAT DOWN TO HASH THROUGH ANY OF THE, UH, ANY OF THE SPECIFICS, BUT HAPPY TO THAT.
AND THEN UNDER TERMINATION, YOU GOT AN EVENT OF TERMINATION BY A TS, UH, THE CUSTOMER SHALL PAY A TS AND EARLY TERMINATION FEE BASED OR PRICE OF $20,000 FOR EACH FIXED SPEED SAFETY CAMERA SYSTEM, UH, IZE IF IT'S IN, IN EFFECT IZE PER MONTH.
SO THESE CAMERAS, THESE VANS, UH, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS A FIXED, THIS IS FOR THE FIXED OR, OR THE MOBILE? I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, BUT THE WAY THAT IT WORKS
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IS AT S IS UP FRONTING ALL THE COSTS, ALL THE TECHNOLOGY, ALL THE VANS, ALL THE INSTALLATION, ALL THE ROUTING OF POWER, ALL THE CON UH, COMMUNICATIONS TO THIS.SO IN THE EVENT THAT THE COUNTY JUST SAYS, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE, WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE SIGN A, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, WE AMORTIZE THAT CAMERA AND THAT EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY THE FIXED, UH, CAMERAS OVER A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, DEPRECIATION OF ABOUT $2,000 PER CAMERA PER MONTH.
NOW WHAT SOME COUNTIES ACROSS AND CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE DECIDED TO DO IN THAT INSTANCES IS THERE'S THESE PROGRAMS UNITS GONNA THROW OFF A LOT OF REVENUE IS TO ESCROW THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS OF THAT IN ORDER TO COVER IN THE EVENT OF THE COUNTY DECIDING THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.
BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, YES, WE UPFRONT ALL OF THE INVESTMENTS.
SO IF YOU WERE SAYING, WE'RE LEAVING, WE'RE DONE.
WE HAVE TO RECOUP THAT INVESTMENT.
AND AGAIN, THAT CAN BE COVERED IN A WAY THAT YOU UPFRONT, YOU, YOU CREATE AND ALL INSTALLED EQUIPMENT ON ANY VEHICLES DRIVEN BY CUSTOMER, EMPLOYEES OR CONTRACTORS.
SO THE COUNTY DOES HAVE PROVIDE MY UNDERSTANDING AND, AND WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK INTO THAT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT WE, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IF WE WERE TO GET TO A CONTRACTING STAGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IN GENERAL, HOW WE DO IS WE ENSURE THE VEHICLE AND ITS CONTACTS, BASICALLY THE $120,000 THAT WE'RE INVESTING, THE DRIVERS NEED TO BE COVERED BY THE COUNTY.
UH, ON PAGE 15, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, UH, THE COUNTY'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING ALL THE, UH, PROVISION OF A JUDGE OR HEARING OFFICER IN COURT, GUILTY SCHEDULED HERE, DISPUTED CITATIONS.
UH, CUSTOMER SHALL HANDLE INBOUND OUTBOUND PHONE CALLS AND CORRESPONDENCE FROM DEFENDANTS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, AND SO ON AND SO ON.
I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT THAT, NOT GOING TO PUT AN EXTRA BURDEN ON OUR, ON OUR, ON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM, ON THE JPS AND COURT SYSTEM.
UM, OKAY, SO ABOUT LESS THAN 1% OF FOLKS WHO RECEIVE THESE, UH, VIOLATIONS GO TO COURT.
THEY HAVE ABOUT AN 80% PAYMENT RATE, 85% WITH A SCOFF LAW PASSED.
ABOUT 1% OF THE, OF THOSE OF OF PEOPLE GET VIOLATIONS WILL GO TO COURT.
UH, ACTUALLY IT'S LESS, BUT LET'S CALL IT 1%.
SO YES, IN THAT SITUATION, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO TO COURT, WANT THEIR DAY IN COURT, WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T ME, BUT DIDN'T READ THE FINE PRINT CLOSE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN SIGN IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
THEY DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO JP COURT.
THIS IS THE SAME AS A RED LINE CAMERA, UH, TICKET.
AND IN THAT CER IN THAT SITUATION, WE'VE SEEN COUNTIES STARTING TO DISCUSS THE REVENUE SPLIT BETWEEN, FOR THOSE THAT GO TO THE JP BOARD SO THAT YOU COVER THE JPS TIME, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THE JPS WORK FOR YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE TO, UH, ACT UPON IT.
BUT, UM, AND, AND GENERALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY JP PRECINCTS YOU HAVE IN
UH, GENERALLY WHEREVER THE VIOLATION OCCURS, IT GOES TO THAT JP COURT.
SO IT'S NOT ALL GOING TO ONE IN GENERAL, WE'RE SPREAD TO FOUR, BUT YES, THERE WILL BE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COMPANY CAN'T DO.
UH, YOU SAY YOU HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM IN TEXAS COUNTY.
ARE YOU CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT IN TEXAS COUNTIES? WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR COUNTIES THAT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE SEPTEMBER, BUT THERE'S CURRENTLY THREE OR FOUR COUNTIES THAT HAVE PASSED IT, AND NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE CONTRACT, UH, WITH THOSE COUNTIES.
UH, THERE ARE PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX OTHERS THAT ARE, HAVE SCHEDULED IT, INCLUDING, UH, I THINK WISE IS UP TO DATE THAT
UH, SO WE HAVE GOT IT, UH, PASSED IN SEVERAL COUNTIES AND WE EXPECT MORE.
I MEAN, THE, THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST AROUND THE STATE.
WHAT COUNTIES HAVE YOU GOT PASSED IN? UM, HIDALGO WEBB, UM, UH, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON SECOND.
UH, ROCK WALL HAS, HAS, UH, HAD A, HAD A HEARING ON IT.
UM, WILLIAMSON AND HAYES HAVE HAD HEARINGS ON IT.
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ALL OF THEM.UH, AND I THINK, UH, HAYES, I THINK HAYES PASSED IT LAST WEEK.
EARLIER YOU MENTIONED THE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.
AND UNDER TERMS HERE, THIS MENTIONS, UH, 10 TERMS 10 YEARS.
LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, THE EXPLANATION BEHIND THAT.
THERE ARE WAYS, AGAIN, AFTER FIVE YEARS TO GET AWAY AND GET OUT ANY, ANY ISSUE THERE.
BUT WHEN, UH, COUNTIES AND CITIES WERE DEPLOYING RED LIGHT CAMERA TECHNOLOGY BEFORE LEGISLATURE PASSED THE LAW REGULATED, THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AND THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN FOR THE LENGTH OF THEIR CONTRACT TERM.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S JUST BASIC, UH, LAW.
THAT WAS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SIGN A CONTRACT, YOU TAKE A SNAPSHOT OF THE LAW AT THE TIME YOU ENTERED THE CONTRACT, THE LEGISLATURE CAN COME BACK AND CHANGE THE LAW AND DO WHATEVER, BUT YOUR CONTRACT WILL LAST TO THE DO THE CONTRACT TERM.
SO THAT'S THE EXPLANATION BEHIND THAT IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF THE LEGISLATURE'S GONNA COME IN AND DO ANYTHING.
WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THEY ARE VERY FAVORABLE ON, ON SCHOOL ZONE SPEED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATURES CAN DO FUNNY THINGS, SO THAT WILL GRANDFATHER YOU INTO WHATEVER THEY DO.
WHAT'S THE REASON THAT ONLY COUNTIES CAN DO, BUT NOT CITIES? THE, THE CITY, AGAIN, WHEN, WHEN THAT SMALL COMPETITOR OF OURS PUT UP A SPEED CAMERA ON THE HIGHWAY OUTSIDE OF MARBLE FALLS, THE LEGISLATURE CAME IN AND PROHIBITED CITIES FROM ENFORCING ANY KIND OF STEEP, UH, ENFORCEMENT OF THE AUDIT FROM TECHNOLOGY.
THEY DIDN'T PARSE IT TO SAY YOU CAN DO IT IN SCHOOL ZONES OR AROUND PARTS OR MEDICAL CENTERS OR OLD FOLKS ZONES OR WHATEVER.
AND THEY SAID NO SPEED, BECAUSE THEY PUT IT UP ON HIGHWAY.
SO MY ONE WORD OF ADVICE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT, DON'T PUT IT ON A HIGHWAY.
WELL, I CAN SEE THAT THE, UH, THE BAND SITUATION, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT SIX SCHOOLS THAT ARE CITY LIMITS, BUT THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARKING BACK WITHOUT BEING IN THE ROAD WITHOUT CAUSING THAT DOWN PARK IN THE ROAD PARK EVERY DAY.
BUT DOES THIS TECHNOLOGY, CAN YOU GET, HOW FAR OFF THE ROAD COULD YOU GET? WE'VE SEEN, WE EFFECT, WE'VE SEEN, UH, COUNTIES AND, AND MUNICIPALITIES, UH, PARK THEM ON THE SHOULDER, ON THE GRASS, OR IF THERE'S A MEDIAN LANE IN THE MEDIAN, UH, WE'VE SEEN.
UM, AND, AND WE DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AND I'M, I'M SCROLLING TO THESE, TO THIS RIGHT NOW, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
ACTUALLY, SO THIS IS, AND I, AND I'LL, I'LL DO IT TWICE.
THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE CALL OUR TRIPOD OPTION.
AND THEN THIS IS OUR MAILBOX OPTION.
SO AGAIN, WRAPPED, UM, FOR THE, THE COUNTY'S LOGO.
UM, SO THIS IS THE, THE TRIPOD WHERE YOU CAN JUST WHEEL IT OUT AND THEN THIS IS THE, THE MAILBOX OPTION.
BUT ANYTHING FIXED CANNOT NOT BE PUT IN IN A CITY.
SO ALL THE SCHOOLS IN MY DEAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WOULD HAVE, ROSS WOULD HAVE VAN IN THE CITY WOULD HAVE VANS OR THE TRIPOD OR THE MAILBOX OPTIONS.
SO THE, BUT HOW FAR COULD YOU GO UP ROAD? BECAUSE IN THE CITY, BOTH THE SCHOOLS NO PLACE TO PARK.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK IN, IN THE CITY ROAD WITHOUT, YOU'LL BE ACTUALLY IN THE LAKE OF TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S WHAT THESE TWO OTHER OPTIONS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU, YOU HAVE TO PUT THOSE OUT DAILY AND REMOVE THEM.
OH, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY A BAND DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY, THEY HOOK RIGHT UP TO A, A TRAILER HITCH ON A, ON A, UH, ON A TRUCK.
THEY HOOK RIGHT UP TO THE TRAILER HITCH AND YOU JUST WHEEL 'EM OUT, PUT 'EM THERE, COME BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY AND PICK UP.
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER, UH, PRESENTATION HERE FROM ANOTHER GROUP, UH, THAT WE GONNA NEED MOVE INTO.
BUT DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA NEED, PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE INFORMATION WE NEED AND JOHN'S GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AND I THINK YOU'VE INDICATED TO ME, DREW, THAT UH, YOU GUYS ARE, UH, ANXIOUS ABOUT WORKING WITH US AND WOULD WORK THROUGH A CONTRACT, UH, WITH US.
DOES, DOES JUDGE AND AND COMMISSION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, TO, I GUESS, AUTHORITY FROM Y'ALL TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT.
IT'S NOT APPROVING THE PROGRAM, BUT THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AROUND A TABLE, TRY TO, I, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
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I COULD MEET ONE OF Y'ALL GOING, WE KIND OF TALK, NOT THAT WE'VE GROWN UP, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE IT, BUT AT LEAST KIND OF GET SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE AND THEN TRYING TO FERRET THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, ISSUES, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE TYPE OF, DID WE DO THE TURNKEY DEAL WHERE YOU GUYS DO EVERYTHING? UH, WHICH SOMEWHAT APPEALING TO ME.UH, YOU KNOW, MY, MY DEAL ON THIS AND ON THE SCHOOL BUS ON SAFE ROAD IS SAVE ONE KID'S LIFE.
AND UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ANSWERED.
AND UH, YEAH, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, YOU SPECIFICALLY SIT DOWN AND REALLY START TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE CONTRACT.
WE'RE STILL, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERALITIES AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY BENEFICIAL IN BOTH OF US.
WHAT IF Y'ALL INSTALL THIS WHEN WE DO A CONTRACT, YOU INSTALL IT, YOU FIND OUT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
ONCE THE VANS ARE IMPLEMENTED, ALL THE STATIONARY CAMERAS ARE IMPLEMENTED AND IT DOESN'T PAY FOR ITSELF THROUGH Y'ALL BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE A RED LIGHT CAMERAS.
ONCE THEY'RE HOME, EVERYBODY IS STOPPED, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER MILE DOWN THE ROAD MM-HMM
UM, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YOU CONTINUE TO OPERATE IT AT A LOSS OR YOU REMOVE IT OR THERE, THERE, THERE WILL NOT, UH, THERE WON'T BE A LOSS INCURRED FOR US UNLESS THAT VAN IS NOT ON THE STREET.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE START TO GET HIT.
YOU FEEL THAT CONFIDENT ABOUT IT? UH, YES SIR.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR JOB IS TO, IS TO LOWER VIOLATION SAFETY HAVING VIOLATIONS.
IF YOU LOWER IT TO THE POINT WHERE SAY EVERYBODY'S DRIVING 15 MILES AN HOUR INSTEAD OF 20 BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA GET A 20 TICKET, UH, THEN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YOU CONTINUE FOR THE REST OF THE FIVE YEAR, 10 YEAR CONTRACT AND LOSS.
THAT IS, THAT IS OUR, THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, THE ONE THING I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT VIOLATIONS WILL IMPROVE.
THEY WILL GO DOWN, BUT THEY WILL NEVER GO AWAY.
AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS TRUE IN RED LIGHT SCHOOL, BUS, SCHOOL ZONE, EVERYTHING.
THEY, THEY WILL IMPROVE, BUT THEY WILL NEVER GO AWAY.
THEY HIT WHAT WE CALL A STEADY STATE.
THEY WILL START OFF HIGH AND THEY'LL HIT A STEADY STATE AND THAT WILL MORE THAN PAY FOR THE PROGRAM FROM EVERY PERSPECTIVE.
QUESTION, WHAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH DALLAS COUNTY ON DOING? I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SCHOOL BUS CAMERAS OR WHATEVER, BUT WHAT'S GONNA KEEP US OUT OF THE CHANNEL? UH, EIGHT NEWS AT 10 O'CLOCK, 10 0 5.
WAS IT BAD? I DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT UP.
I DUNNO WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THEIR TEMPERATURE HAS A, A VEHICLE ANSWER QUESTION.
SO THE ISSUE IN DALLAS COUNTY WAS THAT THE COUNTY PAID FOR THE, INSTEAD OF DEALING A REVENUE SPLIT, THEY PAID FOR THE CAMERAS.
UM, AND THEY DIDN'T, THAT'S NOT A, A PREVALENT PRICING MODEL IN THE INDUSTRY.
ALMOST EVERYWHERE YOU SEE OUR SKIN IS, I DON'T WANNA SAY MORE IN THE GAME, UH, THAN, THAN THAN THE COUNTY BECAUSE Y'ALL CERTAINLY HAVE, UH, ELECT, YOU KNOW, ELECTIONS AND, AND CONSTITUENTS TO LISTEN TO.
BUT WE, WE PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS, WE MAKE THE INVESTMENT AND YOU DON'T PAY US UNLESS YOU KNOW THERE ARE VIOLATIONS.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS CLEARLY WE IMPROVE, WE IMPROVE SAFETY.
WE TAKE THOSE SAME STATE SAFETY NUMBERS TO ANOTHER JURISDICTION AS I DID HERE TODAY AND SAY, WE CAN DO THIS.
WE CAN IMPROVE SAFETY IN YOUR, IN YOUR JURISDICTION.
SO THE, IN THE, THE BROAD CONTRACT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TODAY TO REVIEW AND HAVE OUR ATTORNEY REVIEW, UH, DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT NUMBERS THAT WILL ACTUALLY, I, I MEAN NOT TO TO THE PENNY, BUT YOU FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT VOTING PRESENTED THAT IT'LL, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, UH, CITATIONS THAT IT'LL PRODUCE THE NUMBER, UH, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT TO PRODUCE AND THAT, UH, WILL ALL BE GOOD TO GO WITHOUT SAVE KIDS AND, UH, SAVE SCHOOL.
I WILL SAY, UH, UNCATEGORICALLY WITHOUT HESITATION, THE ANSWER IS YES WITH ONE CAVEAT
THE CAMERAS NEED TO BE DEPLOYED AS LONG AS THEY'RE DEPLOYED FROM SEVEN TO SEVEN OR WHATEVER THE, THE COURT, UH, UH, SAYS AS LONG AS THE COURT DOESN'T SET AN ARBITRARILY LOWLY, UH, THAT IS REALLY NOT A DETERRENT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLATING.
PEOPLE WILL ABSOLUTELY SEE THE NUMBERS, THE VIOLATIONS GO DOWN, THE SAFETY OF CREW AND THE REVENUE.
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ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE HEAR THE OTHERS? THANK YOU GUYS.WE'LL, WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU, I'M SURE.
WE'LL MAYBE NEXT TIME WE'LL HAVE IT AT A, AT A PLACE WHERE, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOME TECHNOLOGY WORK, SEE, SEE THE VIDEO AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
WE'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT HOUR, FIVE MINUTES.
I TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK HERE.
THE OTHER CALL THE COURT BACK THE ORDER AND, UH, ADAM LOSING MY AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS TO, UH, DISCUSS OR TO HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM CAROLYN WALSH.
THANK GOOD MORNING FOR BEING HERE FROM RED FLEX THROUGH THE GUARDIAN, UH, PROGRAM AND ON SCHOOL TRAFFIC SAFETY PROGRAMS AND, UH, BOTH THESE COMPANIES, I SHOULD SAY, HAVE SIMILAR PROGRAMS. I THINK THE OTHER GROUP HAS A SCHOOL BUS PROGRAM AS WELL, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN YOU GUYS ALSO HAVE THE SCHOOL'S ZONE PROGRAM, I THINK AS WELL.
BUT WHAT I'VE ASKED YOU TO PRESENT ON THIS MORNING IS PRIMARILY THE, AND YOU CAN PRESENT ON BOTH OF THEM.
PRIMARILY ON THE SCHOOL BUS SAFETY PROGRAM.
SO STOCK ENFORCEMENT FOR THE SCHOOL BUSES AS WELL AS, UH, STATE FOR SCHOOL ZONING.
I'M THE TEXAS REGIONAL SALES FAMILY.
SO HE'S ACTUALLY, WHEN I HAND IT OVER TO DO THE PRESENTATION, CAROLYN CAROLYN'S GONNA BE MY, MY LOCAL KNOWLEDGE.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING US.
COME, COME ON UP AND SPEAK WITH YOU.
UM, YOU'RE DEFINITELY BETWEEN AT S AND RED FLESH, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE TWO GIANTS OF THE INDUSTRY.
SO AT LEAST THAT PART YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT VENDOR YOU ULTIMATELY DECIDE TO GO WITH, OR IF IN FACT YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH EITHER A SCHOOL BUS SAFETY, A SCHOOL'S ZONE SAFETY OR COMPREHENSIVE STUDENT SAFETY PROGRAM YOU'RE WORKING WITH, UH, REALLY THE TWO BEST COMPANIES OUT THERE.
UM, WHAT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TODAY IS MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO SCHOOLS OWN SAFETY.
UM, BOTH A TS AND RED FLAG STUDENT GUARDIAN.
UM, HAVE SIMILAR PACKAGES OFFER OUR PROGRAMS IN A SIMILAR WAY.
WE DID NOT WANT TO INUNDATE YOU WITH INFORMATION IN THE HANDOUTS.
UM, 'CAUSE WE CAN PROVIDE ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION TO NOT ONLY THE, UH, THE THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO TO THE ATTORNEYS AFTERWARDS.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
CAROLYN AND I STARTED WORKING IN THE STATE OF TEXAS 2008.
UM, REALLY WHEN WE STARTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR OFFERINGS AS A COMPANY.
UM, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE SCHOOL ZONES, SPEED ENFORCEMENTS, UM, RUNNING IN ALL NINE STATES, UH, ALLOWABLE BY STATE STATUTES.
WE ALSO HAVE SCHOOL BUS STOP ARM ENFORCEMENT RUNNING IN ALL STATES WHERE IT'S ALL ALLOWABLE BY STATUTES.
BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAD STARTED WORKING WITH, UH, OUR LOCAL LAW FIRM, UM, OUT OF AUSTIN, TEXAS AND SOME POST THE CAPITAL AND REALLY DELVING INTO THE BEST WAY TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAMS FOR THE BROADEST NUMBER OF CONSTITUENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE THE COUNTY'S INVOLVEMENT COMES IN.
UM, THE STATUTES IN TEXAS ARE FAIRLY PRESCRIPTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO SCHOOL ZONE SPEED AND SPEED ENFORCEMENT.
UM, COUNTY'S ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT VERSUS THE MUNICIPALITY OR CITY'S ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM RELATIVELY SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO STOP ARM ENFORCEMENT AND SCHOOL BUS STOP, ARM ENFORCEMENTS.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, TAKING THE SAME TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY, IT'S A CAMERA STUCK TO THE SIDE OF A BUS, UM, CONNECTED UP TO OUR BACK OFFICE WHERE WE WILL THEN WORK WITH, UH, ALL 50 STATES, UM, TO GATHER ACCESS TO DMV RECORDS AND PASS THAT INFORMATION ON TO THE SHERIFF'S TEAM TO LET HIM USE HIS LOCAL AUTHORITY AND JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY DISCRETION ON ALL THE VIOLATIONS.
IN WORKING WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM, WHAT WE HAD REALLY ASKED THEM WAS HOW DO WE GO ABOUT IT FROM A COMPREHENSIVE STANDPOINT, SINGLE ORDINANCE, UM, OR SINGLE UH, COMMISSIONER'S, COURT ORDER SINGLE IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN ALLOW YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND OR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO JOIN WITH THE COUNTY TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN.
WHY WE DID THAT, IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE.
ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE DESIGNED TO ENHANCE THE STUDENT SAFETY, TO AUGMENT THE WAY THAT YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS CURRENTLY DOING THEIR JOB.
UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ECONOMIC TIMES THAT WE JUST ACCORDING TO THE FED WE'RE COMING
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OUT OF, UM, WITH THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, UM, IT BECAME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT TO BE EFFICIENT AND TO COVER AS WIDE OF AN AREA AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND ALLOW THE DECISIONS TO BE MADE LOCALLY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'D LIKE TO COME, UM, OR JOIN, JOIN UP.WE STARTED WORKING ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO NOW WITH A LOT OF YOUR ISDS.
WE STARTED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, STARTED RUNNING PILOT PROGRAMS LIKE WITH, UH, KAUFMAN, UM, ISD BEEN WORKING WITH TERRELL AND FORNEY AND MISS CRANDALL.
UH, YES, SPEAK WITH THEM, UM, IN REALLY AN INTELLIGENT APPROACH OR WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY, AN INTELLIGENT APPROACH.
WE STARTED PILOTS, WE STARTED DOCUMENTING THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS.
UM, I DON'T LIKE SHOOTING AT THE HIP.
YEAH, THAT'S A A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
AT THE, UH, THE END OF THE LAST PRESENTATION, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE CONFIDENT IN ASSUMPTIONS AND NUMBERS OF VIOLATIONS AND WHAT ARE THE ULTIMATE COSTS GONNA BE.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH RED FLAG STUDENT GUARDIAN FOR ABOUT NINE YEARS.
I DON'T LIKE GUESSING AND STICKING MY FINGER INTO, INTO THE AIR AND SAYING, SURE, WE'RE CONFIDENT BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S WHY WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE DISTRICTS TO START TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS HOLD HARD QUANTIFIABLE DATA, HOW MANY VIOLATIONS ARE OCCURRING ON A SCHOOL LIST, HOW MANY VIOLATIONS ARE OCCURRING IN SCHOOL ZONES.
UM, AND WE CAN CONTINUE THAT AS PART OF OUR, OUR PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, THE RED LIGHT CAMERA PROGRAMS, UM, 40 39 I THINK AT LAST COUNTS.
UM, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, MOST OF OUR JURISDICTIONS ARE LOOKING AT SOME TYPE OF STUDENT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT BE STOP ARM ENFORCEMENTS, UM, OR SCHOOL'S ZONE SPEED, OR EVEN WHAT WE HAVE IS AS FAR AS VIRTUAL OFFENSE, UH, GOING AROUND A SCHOOL BUILDING THEMSELVES.
AS FAR AS OUR TECHNOLOGIES, WE TOOK A VERY HOLISTIC APPROACH IN THAT ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL.
UM, YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT, UH, FIXED AND MOBILE UNITS FOR SCHOOLS ZONE SPEED.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE DOING STOP ARM ENFORCEMENT, IT'S ALL MOBILE.
WE DO PROVIDE EVERYTHING TURNKEY UPFRONT, VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO AT TS.
WE PROVIDE THE TECHNOLOGY, WE PROVIDE THE TRAINING, WE HELP IT WORK IN JOINT, UM, TEAMS WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND OF COURSE THE COUNTY YOURSELVES TO GET THE WORD OUT.
WE BELIEVE THE MORE PEOPLE ARE AWARE IN GENERAL, THAT THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU CAN GET A CITATION FOR FAILING TO STOP FOR A SCHOOL BUS, FAILING TO STOP OR SLOW DOWN FOR YOUR SCHOOL ZONES, THE MORE COMPLIANCE YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE ARE UPWARDS OF 47% ON AVERAGE ON UP TO 60.
A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
UM, JUST THE EDUCATION COMPONENT HELPS AND FITTING THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL SCHOOL ZONES.
WE ALSO HAVE MOBILE VANS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU JUST HEARD OF, AS WELL AS TRIPOD UNITS AS WELL AS OUR FIXED UNITS.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE RC OR I'M SORRY, ALTHOUGH THE STATUTE IS EXTREMELY PRESCRIPTIVE ON WHAT TYPE OF SPEED ENFORCEMENT CAN BE USED, LITTLE BIT OF A MISSTATEMENT, UM, FROM ALL THE LEGAL RESEARCH WE'VE DONE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO FIXED SPEED IN YOUR SCHOOLS THAT FALL WITHIN A MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY BECAUSE THE COUNTY WOULD BE THE EXECUTOR OF YOUR CONTRACT.
ALL IT WOULD TAKE WOULD BE A SIMPLE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT OR AN MOU AGREEMENT WITH THAT MUNICIPALITY, AND THEREFORE THEN YOU CAN FIT AGAIN THE CORRECT TECHNOLOGY FOR THE ACTUAL LOCATION.
I PERSONALLY, AND CAROLYN AND I REALLY SAY OUTSIDE OF POSSIBLY THE CITY OF PHOENIX, MOST SCHOOL ZONING ENFORCEMENT IS DONE WITH FIXED LOCATIONS.
WHY IS THAT? VERY SIMPLY BECAUSE PART OF OUR SYSTEMS, WE ALSO PROVIDE THE BLINKING BEACONS.
WHEREVER YOU HAVE A SCHOOL ZONE, WHEREVER YOU WOULD BE DOING ENFORCEMENT IN IT, PUT UP THE BLINKING BEACON.
WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S THE, THE MORNING OR AFTERNOON THOUGH, THAT GETS CAPTURED ACTUALLY IN THE VIDEO.
THAT MAKES IT, UH, A LOT EASIER TO GO IN, IN FRONT OF THE COURTS.
UM, IT MAKES IT EASIER ON THE OFFICERS DOING THE REVIEW TO KNOW THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY SCHOOL ZONE DURING THAT TIME.
AND YES, THE ALERTS WERE OUT THERE.
UM, FIXED SYSTEMS ARE VERY, VERY SIMPLY DONE.
UM, WE COME OUT, WE WORK WITH, UH, CITY OR COUNTY ENGINEERING.
WE TAKE ON THE INSTALLATION, THE MAINTENANCE, THE, THE SETUP, THE SUPPORT, THE COMMUNICATIONS, EVERYTHING IT TAKES TO PUT A CAMERA ON A POLE.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALISTICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S A LITTLE MORE TO THAT.
UM, BUT FIXED SYSTEMS CAN BE SET UP ON TIMERS OR ACTUATING FROM THE LIGHT OF A BLINKING BEACON IN THE SCHOOL ZONE.
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EARLIER THAT IT'S NOT A GOTCHA PROGRAM.I LOVE DOING SCHOOL ZONE SPEED THAT WAY.
I LOVE ALERTING FOLKS ABOUT SCHOOL BUSES.
EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL BUS THAT'S EQUIPPED WITH A CAMERA OR NOT, UM, WE CAN PUT GRAPHICS ON THE BUS THAT'LL, UH, ALERT THEM TO THE FACT THAT THERE MAY BE VIDEO MONITORING EQUIPMENT BEING USED AND IT MAY RESULT IN A CITATION.
UM, GETTING THE WORD OUT IN OUR STANCE FOR OUR POSITION IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
UM, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING SPECIFIC TO SCHOOL BUS ENFORCEMENT, WE HAD, WE'RE GONNA SEND THIS TO Y'ALL IN A, IN A PACKAGE AFTERWARDS, BUT A LOT OF THE RESULTS WE'RE SEEING ARE FAIRLY SHOCKING WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOCAL LEVEL, BUT THEY FALL RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE NATIONAL STATISTICS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PEOPLE TRANSPORTATION.
UM, EVERY THREE YEARS DOES A VERY, VERY COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.
THIS YEAR ALONE, I SHOULD SAY IT WAS 2012 NUMBERS, BUT UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAD 48 STATES PARTICIPATING IN IT, WHERE ON A SINGLE DAY MAY 1ST THEY JUST WENT OUT AND HAD ALL OF THEIR BUS DRIVERS COUNT HOW MANY VIOLATIONS, HOW MANY TIMES THE SCHOOL BUS WAS PASSED.
CAN YOU GUESSES HOW MANY TIMES IT IS ON AVERAGE PER DAY? ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TIMES PER DAY IS THE NATIONAL NORTH TEXAS, UM, IN PLACES LIKE KAUFMAN, ROUND ROCK, NORTHEAST, FAR SAN JUAN SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER.
UM, KAUFMAN, ISD, WE RAN A 60 DAY PROGRAM WHERE WE UPDATED A SINGLE BUS, 2.7 VIOLATIONS PER DAY ON AVERAGE.
UH, OVER THAT TIME, ROUND ROCK, ISD WHERE WE DID STOP ARM AS WELL AS SCHOOLS ON SPEED, WE DID THE 90 DAY PILOTS ON THEIR SCHOOL BUSES.
THEY AVERAGED 3.1 VIOLATIONS PER DAY PER BUS.
UM, NORTHEAST ISD 90 DAYS, THREE BUSES, 2.4 FAR SAN JUAN, UM, 1.7 PASSES PER DAY PER BUS.
IS THIS WITHIN THE CITY AS WELL AS THE RULE? CORRECT.
WE, WE TAKE A REALLY GOOD MIX.
UM, ROUND ROCK WE HAD STARTED, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST JOHN KNIGHT AND THEIR ADMINISTRATION OUT THERE REALLY JUMPED ON BOARD EVEN BEFORE, REALLY BACK WHEN WE WERE JUST CREATING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT TO STICK ON THE SIDE OF SCHOOL BUS.
THEY WERE VERY FORWARD THINKING.
UM, THEY HAD SOME PRETTY SEVERE PROBLEMS BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, ONCE YOU GOT ONTO THE COUNTY ROADS AND SOME OF THE STATE ROADS, TWO LANE HIGHWAYS, 50 PLUS MILES, 55 MILES AN HOUR, UM, THEY HAD SOME VERY, VERY SEVERE NEAR MISSES, UM, THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE.
STARTED WITH ROUND ROCK, WORKED ON ONE OF OUR, OUR BUSES WHEN WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER SYSTEMS WITH CHICKEN WIRE AND DUCT TAPE.
I GOT A CALL THREE DAYS LATER FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND SAID, DARREN, CAN YOU PUT A CAMERA ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE? SO I IMMEDIATELY CALLED CAROLYN AND SAID, IS JOHN PUT SOMETHING FUNNY IN HIS COFFEE THIS MORNING? NEVER HEARD OF A RIGHT HAND SIDE VIOLATION.
THAT'S DRIVING ON THE SHOULDER WHEN THE DOORS ARE OPENING AND CHILDREN ARE STEPPING OFF HAND TO GOD.
A DAY AND A HALF LATER AFTER WE SAID, SURE, WE'LL STICK A CAMERA ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUS.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL EVER NEED IT.
UM, F-150, RIGHT HAND SIDE, DIDN'T WANNA STOP, JUST THOUGHT IT WAS THEIR, THEIR RIGHT TO GO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF A BUS BLOWING BY 40 PLUS MILES AN HOUR.
UM, IMMEDIATELY SENT THAT TO THE SHERIFF AND THE SHERIFF WENT AND HAD A NICE LITTLE CONVERSATION WITH THE GENTLEMAN.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF BEHAVIORS.
THERE'S REALLY TWO TYPES OF PEOPLE WE DEAL WITH.
THE DISTRACTED DRIVER, WHO DOESN'T EVEN SEE THE BUS.
I HEAR THAT MORE OFTEN THAN I'M AN EXPERT WITNESS, UM, IN WASHINGTON AND OREGON AND GETTING TRAINED FOR TEXAS.
UM, MOST OF THE FOLKS JUST DON'T SEE A SCHOOL BUS, DIDN'T SEE THE, THE BLINKING YELLOW LIGHTS OR THE 14 FOOT TALL, BIG YELLOW THING, WALKING ATLANTA TRAFFIC.
UM, THOSE ARE THE DISTRACTED DRIVERS.
THAT'S WHERE THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT CAN DEFINITELY HELP.
THAT COMPOUNDED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT, OH, THERE'S A SCHOOL BUS.
THAT STARTS TO RAISE THE ALERT LEVEL.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE INDUSTRY THAT WE'RE IN, IS REALLY CHANGING DRIVER BEHAVIOR.
THE OTHER TYPE OF PERSON THAT WE SEE A LOT, UM, AND I LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN DEALING WITH THESE FOLKS, IS THE REPEAT OFFENDER.
THE FOLKS THAT CONSTANTLY LATE FOR WORK DON'T GET THE CONCEPT THAT IF THEY LEFT TWO MINUTES EARLIER OR TWO MINUTES LATER FROM THEIR HOUSE, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T RUN INTO THE SAME SCHOOL BUS EVERY DAY.
'CAUSE THE BUSES DON'T CHANGE THEIR ROUTES.
UM, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I THINK
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THE FOLKS DOWN IN, UH, AUSTIN THIS YEAR DID A REAL, REAL GOOD THING WITH YOUR LEGISLATORS RAISED THE FINE TO A MINIMUM OF $500.UM, THAT'S A PRETTY SWIFT HIT IN THE WALLET, AND THAT'S GONNA CHANGE A LOT OF BEHAVIORS.
I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT CAN KEEP UP AFFORD TO DO THAT.
THAT'S HOW WE CAN ADDRESS BOTH TYPES OF FOLKS.
ONE WITH AN EDUCATION AND AN ALERTNESS, WHETHER YOU'RE DISTRACTED, I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS A CELL PHONE IN TEXAS AND FOXS.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS THE REPEAT OFFENDER.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN GET GREATER THAN 50% COMPLIANCE REALLY WITHIN THE FIRST NINE MONTHS.
'CAUSE SCHOOL YEAR'S ONLY EIGHT AND A HALF, NINE MONTHS LONG WE SEE.
AND IN ESSENCE, OUR LOWEST IS 47%.
OUR HIGHEST IS SIX TWO NATIONALLY ON OUR PROGRAMS. UH, INCREASED COMPLIANCE.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M MEET WITH PTAS OR CAROLYN AND I GO OUT AND TALK TO PTAS, UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
CHANCES OF A CHILD, FEWER CHANCES OF A CHILD BEING HIT GREEN OR INJURED.
UM, I MEAN, FACE IT, IF I GOT HIT GETTING OFF OF A SCHOOL BUS TODAY, MY DOG AND MY MOTHER AND FATHER WOULD BE UPSET.
BUT YOU HAVE A CHILD GET HIT, UM, WHICH YOU HAD A FEW YEARS AGO, I KNOW IN, IN KAUFMAN.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU DON'T GET TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT LIFE COULD HAVE BEEN.
IN ORDER TO ALLOW ALL OF OUR COUNTY, MUNICIPAL AND ISD PARTNERS TO OPERATE AS WHOLLY AS POSSIBLE, UM, THE MANY DIFFERENCES THAT WE LOOK AT IS THE WAY WE OFFER OUR PROGRAMS WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
BESIDES THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT FITS YOUR NEEDS, SPECIFICALLY, WE OFFER OUR PROGRAMS ON A PER PAID CITATION BASIS.
THERE IS NO MONTHLY FLAT FEE FOR SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S A MOBILE SPEED VAN, A FIXED SCHOOL ZONE SPEED, OR STOP ARM CAMERAS.
UM, WE BASICALLY WORK WITH DOLLARS.
OUR FEES GET PAID OUT OF THE FINES THAT GET COLLECTED.
UM, SO I'M SURE THE SHERIFF CAN ATTEST.
YOU CAN WRITE A HUNDRED CITATIONS, DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE EVER GONNA GET PAID A HUNDRED.
IT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GO IN FRONT OF YOURSELVES AND OUR ISD BOARDS AND REALLY LOOK AT HOW DO WE PROTECT OUR CHILDREN WHILE MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS GOING TO FUND THE PROGRAM AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ALLOWED TO OPERATE WHOLLY, COVER YOUR COSTS, PROTECT CHILDREN, AND RETAIN THE LION'S SHARE OF EACH FINDING GETS COLLECTED.
IF THERE'S A MONTH WHERE YOU HAVE ZERO VIOLATIONS, OUR FEE TO YOU WOULD BE ZERO.
IF IT DOESN'T GET COLLECTED, IF THEY BECOME ON A SCOFF LAW LIST, IF IT'S OUT OF STATE AND SOMEONE CRUMBLES IT UP, IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME AND YOU GET A LOT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE FROM, UH, NEVADA.
NEVADA HAS AN ALL OUT PROHIBITION ON PHOTO ENFORCEMENT, NAH, THROW IT OUT.
YOU NEVER ACTUALLY HAVE ANY MONIES OTHER THAN A FEW MOMENTS OF THE, THE, THE SHERIFF'S AND THE SOS OR THE CONSTABLES TIME.
UM, AND PARTLY THROUGH THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS IN UPDATING YOUR RECORDS.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO COST FOR OUR SERVICES ON THAT.
UM, ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE, ALL OF THE INSTALLS, ALL OF THE INSURANCE, IT'S ALL OF THE BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, IF IT'S IN A SCHOOL ZONE WHERE WE HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN THE ROAD, WE PAY FOR THE FLAG FOLKS.
IF IT'S ON SCHOOL BUSES, THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT A SERVICE ON SCHOOL BUSES.
UM, WE CAN REIMBURSE THE DISTRICTS FOR THEIR TIME.
UM, WE ALSO DO SHORT TERM CONTRACTS.
UM, TYPICAL CONTRACT IS THREE TO FIVE YEARS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE INSTALLATION AND THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND WORKING THROUGH, UM, THE LEGAL, LEGAL, UH, PROCEEDINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO TAKE.
WE WORK WITH OUR ATTORNEYS, OUR INSTATE ATTORNEYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH AND, AND, UH, WHAT YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS WORKING ON IS CORRECT, ACCURATE, AND ADHERES TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
UH, AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE STATE.
OUR APPROACH OF REALLY WALKING BEFORE WE RUN, OR EVEN CRAWLING BEFORE WE WALK, UH, WHERE WE START WITH QUANTIFIABLE NUMBERS.
UM, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, WE CAN WORK WITH ALL OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND, UH, AND THE COMMISSION TO GO AHEAD AND REALLY LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR CRITICAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR YOUR SCHOOL ZONES OR YOUR BUSES, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH, WITH KAUFMAN AND SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS TO GET YOU COLD, HARD NUMBERS, UM, THAT WILL SAY X NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS ARE OCCURRING, HERE'S WHAT TO EXPECT.
THAT THEN HELPS ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS OF STAFF LOADS.
WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE OR
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JUDICIAL SYSTEM.UH, WHAT TYPE OF MAN HOUR AND TIME ARE WE TAKING? THAT'S REALLY THE, THE STEP THAT WE LIKE TO TAKE.
UM, AGAIN, 'CAUSE IT HELPS MAKE INTELLIGENT DECISIONS, UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITIES AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SERVING.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS.
UM, 2008 WAS REALLY THE BEGINNING OF USING PHOTOGRAPHIC ENFORCEMENT FOR STUDENT SAFETY MEANS IN THE COUNTRY.
IT ALL STARTED WITH, UH, THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND WHO, UH, WE HAVE THE ENTIRE CONTRACT FOR RIDE RHODE ISLAND DEPARTMENT FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
THEY REALLY CHAMPIONED IT ALONG KIND OF SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH PROVIDENCE, UM, BEING THEIR LEADER.
WE'VE HELD THAT CONTRACT SINCE 2008.
WE'VE WORKED WITH ALL OF OUR, OUR PARTNERS ACROSS THE BOARD TO HELP LOOK AT NOT ONLY WHAT CAN WE DO TO INCREASE STUDENT SAFETY, BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO FOR OUR COUNTIES, OUR MUNICIPALITIES AND OUR DISTRICTS TO ENHANCE THE LEARNING PROCESS AND THE EDUCATION OF THE COMMUNITY AND CHILDREN ON OUR SCHOOL.
BUS STOP ARM ENFORCEMENT SYSTEMS. AGAIN, IF THERE'S A $500 FINE, WE'RE BASICALLY ABOUT $185.
WELL, THAT WOULD COME OUR WAY FOR ALL OF OUR SERVICES AS PART OF THAT, IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY CAPTURE AN INCIDENT, TRANSMIT THAT INCIDENT BACK TO OUR OFFICES, AND THEN HAVE IT READY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO REVIEW.
WE HAVE ON THE BUS GPS AND WIFI AND A COMPUTER, WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT CAN WE USE THAT TECHNOLOGY FOR? 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY ON THE BUS.
WHAT CAN WE USE THAT TECHNOLOGY FOR BESIDES JUST THE ENFORCEMENT OF ONE TO THREE VIOLATIONS PER DAY? UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE WIFI COMPONENT.
AS OUR OUR CAMERAS RUNNING OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS A CELLULAR CONNECTION, WE CAN VERY EASILY WORK WITH THE ISD TO PUT ON THE CORRECT APPROPRIATE FILTERS FOR YOUR STUDENTS, UM, AND OPEN UP THAT WIFI.
SO NOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY, UH, YOUR, YOUR TRIP TO SCHOOL LESSONS WHERE YOU HAVE KIDS GOING TO AUSTIN AND WHEREVER ELSE FOR SOCCER AND FOOTBALL AND CHEERLEADING, NOW WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE CONTENT FOLKS OF THAT DISTRICT TO START PUSHING CLASSWORK, START PUSHING LESSON PLANS OUT SO THAT IT'S NOT BEDTIME SITTING ON THE BUS ANYMORE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THE GPS CONNECTIVITY FOR EVERYTHING FROM ROUTE DIAGNOSTICS TO TRAINING, TO MAKING SURE THE DRIVERS ARE STOPPING THE TRAIN TRACKS TO MAKING SURE THEY'RE STOPPING AT THE CORRECT STOPS, UM, WHEN APPROPRIATE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALSO PUT IN INTERNAL CAMERAS, INTERNAL CAMERAS ON SCHOOL.
BUSES ARE VERY, VERY BIG, UM, IN THE INDUSTRY.
VERY, VERY COSTLY FOR ISDS TO IMPLEMENT.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS TO OUTFIT THEM AS WELL.
SO NOW IF THERE'S AN EVENT OF BULLYING OR EVEN VANDALISM, UM, TRANSPORTATION DIRECTORS OR WHOEVER WE SET UP CAN LIVE DIAL IN AN ADHESIVE IN AN ACCIDENT.
LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS DOWN IN HOUSTON, IRONICALLY WHEN I WAS THERE, THAT WAS THE DAY THAT THE SCHOOL BUS WENT OFF THE BRIDGE, CAUGHT FIRE, DIDN'T HAVE INTERNAL CAMERAS, DIDN'T KNOW IF CHILDREN WERE STILL LEFT ON THE BUS UNTIL, UM, THE FIRST RESPONDERS WERE ON SCENE.
VERY QUICKLY WE COULD HAVE THAT LIVE ACTIVE VIDEO STREAMED RIGHT TO THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES.
SO NOW, UM, ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED WHEN THEY GET ON THE SCENE.
ALL OF THAT BECOMES INCLUSIVE IN TURNKEY AS PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT IS FULLY FUNDED BY THOSE PEOPLE WHO FACE IT OR ARE ARE THE ONES WHO DESERVE TO TAKE, WHO ARE FAILING TO STOP THEIR SCHOOL BUS, WHO ARE FAILING TO SLOW DOWN WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH SCHOOL ZONES.
WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SHORT AND SWEET 'CAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE ON A MONDAY TO BEAR FROM US, THAT ONBOARD CAMERA MM-HMM
INSIDE THE BUS THAT'S PART OF THIS PROGRAM.
THAT'S TYPICALLY AT THE DIRECTION OF THE ISD IF THEY WOULD LIKE IT OR NOT.
UM, ADD A COST TO ADD A COST TO THE ISD TO THE YEP, YEP.
THE, UH, ID THAT KIND OF CLEAR UP IN MY MIND, AND I KNOW YOU SENT ME A LINK TO SHOE STORE THAT WAS ON CHANNEL FIVE, AND I ACTUALLY SAW IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE KIND BITS AND PIECES OF IT.
WHAT WAS THE CONTROVERSY IN DALLAS COUNTY WITH THE, UH, COUNCIL? DO YOU, SO THEY, THEY BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT FOR SHARE WITH MILLION DOLLARS, CORRECT.
OR 17, 17 POINT BLANK BAD CONTRACT.
UM, VERY INEXPERIENCED VENDOR.
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UH, FORTUNATELY THAT WAS WITH A DIFFERENT COMPANY THAT IS NOT A TS, THAT IS NOT RED PLUG STUDENT GUARDIAN.UM, VERY SMALL STARTUP COMPANY OUT OF, UH, HOUSTON AREA.
UM, IT WAS A LONG TERM CAPITAL PROCUREMENT WHERE THEY BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT, THEY HAD TO BUY THE, THE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS, THE, THE SET OF CONNECTIONS, EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE PROMISE THAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT PAY THEM BACK.
VERY DIAMETRICALLY APPROACHED FROM OUR PRICING MODEL WHERE WE DO TAKE ALL OF THE FINANCIAL RISK.
AGAIN, IF THERE'S, UH, A HUNDRED CITATIONS ISSUED AND ZERO GET COLLECTED, OUR FEE FOR THAT MONTH IS ZERO.
IF THERE IS ZERO CITATIONS CAUGHT AND ZERO GO OUT THE DOOR, I WOULD SCREAM FROM EVERY MOUNTAINTOP SAYING WE FINALLY DID IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S ZERO COST OUT OF POCKET.
IT'S VERY SIMPLY, UNLESS IT'S THAT AGREEMENT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, AND YOU GUYS, WE WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THAT OTHER THAN YOU ONE, OUR, I GUESS YOU'D WANT YOUR CAMERA ON OUR BUSES.
ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THERE'S TWO VERY DIFFERENT, UM, STATUTES, AGAIN REGARDING THE STOP ARMED ENFORCEMENT ON SCHOOL BUSES.
IT'S ALL DONE UNDERNEATH HOME AND RULE.
OUR PHILOSOPHY HAS ALWAYS BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.
ONE BECAUSE IT'S AN EQUITABLE ADMINISTRATION ACROSS THE COUNTY, UM, AND ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND VILLAGES AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT THEY, THEY ALL SERVE.
IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY, UM, PASSING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER, GOVERNING THE USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE FINES.
OUR CONTRACT IS PHYSICALLY THEN WITH THE ISD THEMSELVES AND THEN AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ISD AND THE COUNTY FOR YOUR ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AND FOR USE OF THE, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S SPORT ORDER.
VERY MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SCHOOLS ON THE SPEED SCHOOL IS ON THE SPEED, AGAIN, COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER.
UM, OUR CONTRACT IS THEN WITH THE COUNTY, BUT YOURSELVES, THEN YOU WOULD'VE TO DO A INTER GOV IF YOU WANTED TO DO REVENUE SHARING OR OR WHATNOT WITH YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
THAT'S REALLY UP, UP, UP TO, BUT IN BACK ON THE SCHOOL'S ZONE THING, YOUR POSITION IS, IS THAT IF WE ENTERED INTO AN AIR, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO MAKE QUALITY, IF WE ENTERED INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, UH, WE COULD OPERATE A FIXED CAMERA INSIDE A CITY.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE THE CO CONTRACTING AGENCY CONTRACTING BOX.
SO IN THE CASES WHERE A MOBILE SPEED UNIT JUST PLAIN DOESN'T FIT, UM, FIXED SPEED IS THERE, FIXED SPEED IS ALWAYS THERE.
UM, A FIXED INSTALLED SYSTEM SIMILAR TO THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS.
THEY'RE OVER IN THE SKI ON THE STREET CORNERS.
IT'S A, IT'S A CAMERA WITH HOUSING SITTING ON TOP OF THE POLE.
UM, THE GOOD PART ABOUT THAT IS WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE CLIENTS BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT 162 SCHOOL DAYS A YEAR, UM, NOT COUNTING EARLY DISMISSALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
CAMERAS SITTING THERE, 162 DAYS.
AS LONG AS THE BEACON THAT WE INSTALL IS ILLUMINATED AND VISUAL TO THE PUBLIC CAMERA'S RECORDING AND READY, READY TO GO.
UM, AGAIN, IT TAKES AWAY A LOT OF THE DEPLOYMENT.
IT TAKES AWAY THE, THE NEED FOR USING COUNTY RESOURCES TO MOVE A MOBILE UNIT AROUND.
WE HAVE THOSE, WE USE THEM VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
UM, PLACES LIKE ALBUQUERQUE STILL DOES IT IN SOME OF THEIR SCHOOL ZONES, BUT THEY ALSO USE IT THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR STRATEGIC ENFORCEMENT RATHER THAN TAKING, UH, AWAY RESOURCES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT WHERE THEY'RE, I'M SURE THE SHERIFF CAN ATTEST TO THIS.
CALLS FOR SERVICE TAKE PRIORITY, EVERYTHING ELSE DOWN THE LINE TAKES A PRIORITY AND SOMEWHERE ON THE BOTTOM NEEDS TO BE SOME OF THE ENFORCEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S WHY I PERSONALLY LIKE THE FIXED SYSTEMS THEMSELVES AND JUST AN IGA WITH THE MUNICIPALITY.
IT'S VERY CLEAN, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, AND CAN BE DONE VERY SIMPLE.
THE SCHOOL THAT YOU, THE SCHOOLS THAT YOU'VE TALKED TO, YOU TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THEM WITHIN THE COUNTY, WHAT IS THEIR VERY, VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE.
UM, THEY'RE ALL VERY ANXIOUS TO HEAR HOW THIS WENT AND THEN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU ALL, WHICH, UM, BOTH WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTING BOTH TO EVERYBODY WE TALK TO BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A, MY PHILOSOPHY IS THIS, IT NEEDS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S SCHOOL'S ON SPEED OR STOP OUR ENFORCEMENT.
UM, WE'VE WORKED TO DEVELOP, UH, SAMPLE ORDINANCES.
WE, OR I'M SORRY, COMMISSION FOR ORDERS.
WE'VE TAKEN THEM FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
UM, EVEN IF YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO IMPLEMENT ONE OR THE OTHER AT THE TIME, THAT'S AT THE
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DISCRETION OF, OF YOU AND THE ISDS THAT ARE ALL SERVING THE SAME COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE, THAT'S YOUR, YOUR DECISION.IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR TERMS. IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR PRICING.
WHAT'S A TYPICAL PERCENTAGE SPLIT ON THE FIVE BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY? UH, IT REALLY KIND OF VARIES RIGHT NOW.
UM, ABOUT 40% TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, 60 TO THE COUNTY, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU'RE WORKING.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S ENFORCEMENT THROUGH THE, THE SHERIFF OR THE CONSTABLE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY BEING BURDENED.
UM, AS FAR AS TIME AND THE COURTS OR ABOUT THE CITY, IF YOU OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY, YOU GOTTA BE HONEST, MOST OF THE CITIES HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY, VERY NICELY IF THERE'S NO SKIN OFF THEIR TEETH IN THE, IN THE POSITION OF RESOURCES AND MANPOWER.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME LIKE ROUND ROCKETS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IT OUT IN GOOD GRACES OF OUR HEARTS BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THEM AT ALL.
RACHEL, YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, WE WERE ONE LOWER, ONE VIOLATION PER DAY TO THREE PER DAY.
NOW, HOW MANY SCHOOL BUSES DO WE HAVE WITHIN THE COUNTY? OH GOSH.
TWO OR 300 COUPLE ON, IF I CAN INTERRUPT THIS, WHAT WE'VE SEEN NATIONALLY, AND AGAIN, REMEMBER IT ALL STARTED IN RHODE ISLAND BACK IN, IN 2008.
WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT A 30% PENETRATION, MEANING 30% OF RHODE ISLAND SCHOOL BUSES ARE WARRANTED, MEANING THEY HAVE PROBLEMATIC ROUTES.
ON THE EXTREME HIGH END, TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE IS ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT 10 TO 15% OF A GIVEN FLEET CORRECT.
WOULD WARRANT THE USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
AND WE'VE TERMED THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE, WE CALL THE HALO EFFECT.
IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND YOU SEE A SCHOOL BUS AND THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THERE'S A CAMERA GONNA BE ON THERE, YOU PAY ATTENTION.
UM, REALLY, AND THAT'S PARTLY WHY WE, WE TAKE SO MUCH WORK UP FRONT TO WORK WITH THE PILOTS AND TO DO THE ROUT ANALYSIS TO REALLY TAKE A QUANTIFIABLE LOOK AT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, WHAT IS THE SCOPE AND WHAT ARE YOUR MOST PROBLEMATIC ROUTES.
UM, INITIALLY WE HAD THOUGHT, WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH AUSTIN, WE THOUGHT AUSTIN WOULD'VE VIOLATIONS THROUGH THE ROOF ROOF ON SCHOOL BUSES.
WELL, WE DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOREST TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
YOU CAN'T GET AROUND THE DARN SCHOOL BUS IF IT'S BURIED IN TRAFFIC.
CONVERSELY AHEAD 20 MILES DOWN THE STREET TO ROUND ROCK WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN FLOWING, A LITTLE BIT MORE RURAL ROADS, A LOT OF TWO LANE HIGHWAYS.
UM, AND THEY WERE WHAT, 3.7 VIOLATIONS ON, ON ONLY THREE BUSES THAT WE HAD WORKED FOR.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE REALLY TAKE A GOOD COLD, HARD LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA WORK BEST.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PUT ON EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL BUS OR IN EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL ZONE FOR THAT MATTER.
UM, WE JUST DON'T SEE THE NEED AND WE'RE GETTING 50, 60 PLUS PER SECOND REDUCTION IN VIOLATIONS.
THE OTHER PART THAT'S NICE UNDERNEATH THE WAY WE OFFER OUR PROGRAMS IS BECAUSE IT'S A PERPE CITATION, EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, I'M SURE CAN AGREE TRAFFIC'S ORGANIC.
YOU CAN HAVE A SEWER PROJECT GOING ON.
IT CLOSES OFF A MAIN ARTERY FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND IT SHIFTS TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A SCHOOL BUS OR NOW A SCHOOL ZONE BECOMES A CUT THROUGH STREET AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IT'S VERY SIMPLY DONE.
THEY CALL US UP AND TALK TO CAROLYN AND WE SAY, CAROLYN, CAN WE PUT A CAMERA ON A BUS? WE CAN ADD, WE CAN REMOVE, WE CAN MOVE THEM AROUND.
'CAUSE THERE IS NO WORRY ABOUT TIME AND DURATION OF DEPLOYMENT.
LIKE WITH
I'M SURE Y'ALL KNOW THAT VERY WELL.
UM, WE HAVE AN ENTIRE ARM OF OUR DIVISION THAT WORKS HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, UM, TO HELP THE COURTS WITH A LOT OF THEIR SC LAWS, SCOFF LAWS FROM SPECIFIC PHOTO ENFORCEMENT PROGRAMS. UM, AGAIN, WE, WE TRY TO MAKE IT SO WHEN I GET ASKED OR CAROLYN GET ASKED WHAT WE DO, WE PROTECT CHILDREN.
WE DO IT WITH TAX DOLLARS COMING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY THEMSELVES, AND WE ALLOW EVERY STAKEHOLDER OPERATE FULLY, MEANING THEY CAN RECOGNIZE A PORTION OF THE CLIENT AND PUT IT TO THE APPROPRIATE KEYS.
WHETHER IT BE CROSSING YARDS, WHETHER IT BE, UH, MORE ENFORCEMENT THROUGH PUBLIC SAFETY, WHETHER IT BE, UH, ENHANCING COURT SYSTEMS AND ADJUDICATION SYSTEMS AND THE CLERK TIME.
UM, IT'S A VERY HOLISTIC APPROACH.
AND ONLY BURDENING THOSE FOLKS WHO CASE EITHER FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ABOVE IT.
UM, OR THOSE FOLKS THAT, UH, ARE GONNA DO IT ONCE
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OR TWICE AND LEARN REAL LESSON AND REAL QUICK, HAVE A COMMENT.THEY A GREAT, GREAT PART OF THE PROGRAM SAY YOU, YOU GET MORE AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
SO YOU WATCH, I, I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT IN THE REVENUE SIDE OF IT, USING VERY PART, TAKE NUMBERS AND CUT 'EM HALF INTO, IS IT, WOULD IT BE UNUSUAL FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO GET $20,000 A DAY? IF YOU WERE DOING ALL THE BUSES ON YOUR SCHOOL ZONES? YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE A BIG IMPACT.
UM, DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT IN THE TERMS OF A RED LIGHT.
UM, EARLIER, UM, MY COLLEAGUE CALLED IT THE STASIS ZONE.
WE CALL IT THE CAN'T FIX STUPID LINE
THE WHAT? CAN'T FIX STUPID LINE.
IT'S, UH, WE, WE GRAPH THE PERFORMANCE OF EVERY SINGLE BUS, EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERA FROM PRE-PILOT ON THE BASELINE DATA FORWARD.
UM, BECAUSE WE GET ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL GET ASKED A YEAR FROM NOW, LET'S SAY YOU, YOU CHOSE TO IMPLEMENT TODAY AND SAID, WE WANT TO BE RUNNING FOR JANUARY 6TH WHEN SCHOOL GETS BACK IN.
RIGHT? THE VENTURE BOTTOM DOLLAR, THE JANUARY 6TH, 2014, I'M SORRY, 2015.
THERE'D BE THE QUESTION ASKED, HOW ARE WE DOING? ARE THEY WORK? ARE THEY REDUCING INCIDENTS? ARE WE CHANGING BAD DRIVING BEHAVIOR? WE TRACK ALL OF THAT.
YOU CAN RUN ANY NUMBER OF REPORTS THAT SHOW IT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE IT ON THE SLIDE, BUT WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU.
BUT IT'S A DOWNWARD TO THE RIGHT.
AS LONG AS IT'S FALLING DOWNWARD TO THE RIGHT, THEY DO HOLD ABOUT ONE AROUND THAT ONE VIOLATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE CAN'T FIX STUPID LINE AS WE'VE TERMED IT.
'CAUSE SINCE 2008 AND ACROSS 80 SOME ODD COUNTIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE'RE KICKING AND SCREAMING TO GET DOWN BELOW WARREN.
'CAUSE IF WE GET DOWN BELOW WARREN, THAT'S WORTH ITS WEIGHT AND GOLD TO PEOPLE LIKE CAROLYN AND I IN OUR COMPANY.
THAT MEANS COLLECTIVELY AS A TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER IN THE COMMUNITY, WE CAN ALL COME OUT AND SAY, WE ABSOLUTELY DID IT.
WHAT COUNTIES ARE WE OPERATING IN RIGHT NOW? UM, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS RIGHT NOW? THE TWO BIGGEST ONES WOULD BE THERE.
UM, YOU FOLKS, BEXAR COUNTY HAS BEEN TAKING THE LEAD.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH 14 OF THEIR 14, 14, 14 OF THEIR ISDS.
UM, THEY'RE AT THE EXACT SAME SAME POSITION THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE PRESENTING TO THEM, THEY'RE AWARE OF IT.
THEY'RE LOOKING IN, THEY'RE DOUBLE CHECKING ALL OF OUR LEGAL RESEARCH, UM, AND VERIFYING EVERYTHING WE JUST PRESENTED.
AND IT'S SCOOP US ON BOTH, BOTH, BOTH.
AGAIN, EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE PRESENTING BOTH.
UM, RATHER THAN HAVING Y'ALL PASS THREE DIFFERENT ORDERS OR TWO DIFFERENT ORDERS, VERY SIMPLY, YOU CAN DO IT WITH ONE.
AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU DECIDE TO ONLY IMPLEMENT SCHOOL'S ZONE SPEED AND NOT STOP ARM OR STOP ARM AND NON SCHOOLS ON SPEED OR A COMBINATION THEREOF THAT FITS BEST WITH YOUR PARTNERS SHOULD, WOULD BE THE ISDS.
IT DOESN'T MAKE A HELL OF BEANS DIFFERENCE TO US.
I I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO ONE OF THE, UH, MAYORS, UH, HERE IN OUR COUNTY
AND THAT PERSON WAS VERY INTERESTED.
NOW, I I BRIEFLY MENTIONED IT TO THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS IN A MEETING WE HAD LAST WEEK, AND OF COURSE THEY'VE GOT QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW, AND I VERY INTERESTED IN THE SCHOOL BUS PROGRAM I HAD TALKED ABOUT.
THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL ZONE PROGRAM MM-HMM
AND PART DRIVEN BECAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT THEY HAD HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE THIS WAS I SCHOOL BUS FOR 10 YEARS.
THIS WAS LONG TIME AGO, AND IT WAS NOT A BIG ISSUE THEN.
I, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN WE GOT THE STOP ARMS THAT WENT ON THE SIDE OF BUSES, THAT SEEMED TO HELP QUITE A BIT, BUT BEFORE THEN IT WAS, UH, BUT NOWADAYS, DISTRACTIONS, YOU KNOW, THE TEXTING AND CELL PHONES, STUFF LIKE THAT, PEOPLE ARE MORE DISTRACTED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, AND MORE TRAFFIC.
BEST MY WEDDING, I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE WE WERE THREE, CALLED ME UP AND JUST SAID, I KEPT ONE OF YOUR TICKETS.
HE THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING HIM UP ON HIM MAGICALLY ON A COMPUTER AND LOOKING AT WHAT HE WAS DOING.
I SAID, WHAT WERE YOU DOING BESIDES PAYING ATTENTION? WHOSE SCHOOL IS THAT? ONE SAID, WHAT WERE YOU DOING BESIDES PAYING ATTENTION? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HE'S LIKE, OH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
AND I SAID, NO,
AND SURE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, HE SAID HE WAS TURNED AROUND TALKING TO KIDS BACKSEAT
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LIKE, SHOULD HE BE DRIVING LIKE THIS? NO.SO, BUT I'M PROBABLY SUPPORT, BE KIND, NEGOTIATING OR WORKING OUT SOME KIND OF A CONTRACT LANGUAGE.
THESE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME ABSOLUTELY LEAST GIVE US SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND SURE.
AND I MEAN, JOHN'S GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO AT LEAST WE KIND OF NARROW THAT AND, AND MY DEAL IS, I MEAN, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
IT, IT EITHER PRO SAY, CAN SAVE ONE CHILD'S LIFE MEAN THAT MAKES IT WORTHWHILE.
UH, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, WE DO, I HAVE HEARD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RED LIGHT CAMERAS.
MY WIFE KNOWS, WELL ADMIT THAT I HAVE.
UH, BUT THERE'S THE PERCEPTION OUT THERE AND THE BELIEF THAT SOME OF THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE NO LONGER IN OPERATION TODAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FUNCTION PROPERLY OR THEY, THERE WAS SO MUCH CONTROVERSY SURROUNDED THAT A LOT OF IT WAS CONTROVERSY.
UM, HAVING SPENT AS LONG AS I HAVE IN THIS, THIS SIDE, UM, AND WORKING WITH, I HAVE TO SAY THIS VERY NICELY, WORKING WITH CITY MANAGERS, UM, AS OPPOSED TO SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT.
YOU MEAN THEY'RE DIFFICULT OR COUNTY JUDGE.
I ABSOLUTELY WORK, LOVE WORKING WITH COUNTIES AND ISCS.
UM, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WAS THAT PERCEPTION AND IT ALL STARTED, UM, WHEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES WERE STARTING TO REACH BEYOND THEIR BOUNDARIES, LOOKING AT PUTTING OUT, UH, SPEED ENFORCEMENT ON A HIGHWAY THAT'S PASSING THROUGH THEM, IN MY OPINION, PURELY A REVENUE GRAB.
AND IN FACT, WE WALKED AWAY FROM SEVERAL THAT DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.
THERE'S A CITY IN ARIZONA, I'M NOT GONNA NAME THE NAME, BUT THEY WERE PUTTING UP 16 RED LIGHTS.
THEY WERE USING MIDBLOCK SPEED GAP WAS MIDDLE OF, UH, OF A, YOU KNOW, MILE STRETCH WITH JUST A FIXED SPEED, NO SCHOOL ZONE.
UM, DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANY PR WANTED US TO, YOU KNOW, INSTALL EVERYTHING AND FLIP THE SWITCH MAGICALLY AND TURN 'EM ON AT MIDNIGHT ON A TUESDAY.
IBE GOT TO STAND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAID, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE IF WE DID THAT, THEN AT, UH, ONE O'CLOCK YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR SCREAMING THEIR FACE SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? UM, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME CITY MANAGERS DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF.
UM, WITH SCHOOL ZONE AND SCHOOL BUS SAFETY AND BOURBONS, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AGAIN, IT REALLY STARTED IN THE EAST COAST AND MOVED WEST.
WE, IN THE INDUSTRY, BOTH US AND A TS AND SOME OF THE SMALLER COMPETITORS HAVEN'T BEEN LOBBYING THE CAPITALS OR ANYWHERE ELSE TO PASS LEGISLATION TO START THESE PROGRAMS. IT REALLY STARTED WITH RHODE ISLAND, SPREAD TO CONNECTICUT, JUMPED OVER TO WASHINGTON STATE, WORKED ITS WAY DOWN THE EASTERN SEABOARD, AND IT'S NOW COMING ACROSS ORGANICALLY BECAUSE THEY CAN BE STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S GUARANTEED TO BE FIRST AND FOREMOST ON STUDENT SAFETY.
THE REVENUES OR THE FINES THAT IT PRODUCE GET PUT BACK INTO EITHER STUDENT SAFETY OR COMMUNITY SAFETY PROGRAMS. UM, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO FUNCTION THAT WAY WHOLLY, WHERE QUITE FRANKLY, MOST OF THE MUNICIPAL PROGRAMS, I'M GONNA EXCLUDE EVERYBODY IN TEXAS SO I DON'T GET IN TROUBLE.
UM, MOST CITY MANAGERS WOULD LOOK AT ME AND SAY, THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE COMING IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T PASS A SENATE TEST.
WE'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF OUR ISDS ON DOING ONLINE WEB SERVICE.
WE GET INVITED TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK TO SPEAK TO PTAS.
UM, LAST ONE WE JUST DID WAS OUT IN ROUND ROCK, RIGHT? WE HAD AN 83% APPROVAL RATING ON JUST AN ONLINE SURVEY.
YOU NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING IN MY LIFE.
BUT WHEN YOU REALLY COME DOWN TO BRASS TACKS, EVEN AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, UM, IT'S 0.03% OF ALL STOP ARM VIOLATIONS EVER BE CONTESTED.
AND THAT IS A NATIONAL SINCE 2008, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS.
I GET TO GO IN AND TALK TO A LOT OF FOLKS AHEAD OF TIME JUST TO SEE.
THEY ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY'LL EVEN COME IN TO TO, TO HAVE THEIR CASE SERVED.
UM, MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY DID WHEN THEY, THEY GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT THEIR VIOLATION WITH THE FACT THAT THEY DROVE BY A SCHOOL BUS AND THEN SIT THERE AND GO, YOU CAN JUST WATCH THEIR JAW OPEN UP AND GO, WOW, UH, WHERE WAS I WHEN THAT WAS HAPPENING? I DIDN'T REALIZE IT.
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I'LL BE BETTER NOW.THEY PAY THE FINE AND, AND GO ON.
CONVERSELY, IN, IN THE RED LIGHT CAMERA WORLD, IT'S UPWARDS OF 24% WILL CONTEST BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A DRAMATIC DIFFERENT IMPACT.
REAR END COLLISION, REAR END COLLISION ANGLE COLLISION STILL SURVIVABLE.
CARS ARE GETTING BETTER EVERY DAY AT DOING THAT.
UM, IN CASES, LIKE IN ROUND ROCK WHERE WE HAD A RIGHT HAND SIDE VIOLATION, FIRST ONE I'VE EVER HEARD OF, YOU KNOW, CHILD'S BODY OR HUMAN BODY VERSUS F-150, F-150 IS GONNA WIN THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT TIME.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THE COMMUNITY EDUCATION.
UM, WE ABOUT IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE I JOINED THE COMPANY.
SO 10, NINE YEARS AGO, WE WENT BACK TO ALL OF OUR MUNICIPAL AND COUNTY PARTNERS AND STARTED GATHERING ALL OF THEIR OUTREACH THAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND WE'VE AGGREGATED INTO A GIANT LIBRARY THAT OUR PR DEPARTMENT WILL WORK WITH, UM, COUNTIES, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO DEVELOP A OUTREACH PROGRAM THAT IS SUITABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, EVEN OUR PSAS, UM, WE HAVE ONE RUNNING IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND IT FIT YOUR NEEDS OUT HERE.
WE COULD STRIP OFF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, PUT ON COUNTY OF KAUFMAN AND AWAY TO GO.
UM, WE WORK WITH THINGS LIKE WARNING PERIODS.
BEGINNING OF EVERY SCHOOL YEAR.
WHAT HAPPENS? VIOLATIONS GO THROUGH THE ROOF.
WHY? 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S STILL ON SUMMER VACATION AND FORGETS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S BUSES ON THE ROAD AND SCHOOL ZONES ARE BACK YET.
UM, I LIKE DOING A MONTH LONG OR TWO WEEK LONG WARNING PERIOD, BEGINNING OF EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT ALONG WITH A, A FOCUSED EFFORT.
A KR EIGHT PEOPLE REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE NOW KIDS ARE BACK ON THE STREETS AND SUMMER VACATION'S OVER PAY ATTENTION.
HOW MANY NEW DRIVERS THROUGH THE ROAD? HOW MANY KIDS ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL THAT ARE GETTING OUR LICENSE? WE WORK A LOT WITH THE EDUCATION SIDE AND SHOW THEM THE RAMIFICATIONS, UM, OF EVEN SCHOOL ZONE SPEED.
I GET THE QUESTION ALL, ALL THE TIME.
WELL, I WAS ONLY GONE ONLY 30 IN A SCHOOL ZONE.
WELL, YOU'RE DOING 50% OVER THE POST CLINIC.
WOULD YOU WANT TO GET HIT BY A CAR LIKE AT 30? WHAT'S IN THAT SCHOOL ZONE? KIDS, PARENTS, DOGS, GRANDPARENTS, CROSSING GUARDS.
AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF YOUNGER DRIVERS WHO WILL BE THE ONES SPEEDING THROUGH DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.
WHEN YOU CAN WORK WITH A LOT OF THE VIDEOS THAT WE HAVE THAT SHOW AND WE ALL SAW THE, WHEN YOU WERE LEARNING TO DRIVE BLOOD FLOW RIGHT ON THE HIGHWAY.
ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT KIND OF IMPACTFUL? IT'S ALL PART OF WHAT WE DO.
AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHETHER IT'S THE INSTALLATION AND THE EQUIPMENT OR COLLECTIONS AND EXPERT WITNESS ON THE BACK END, EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED, WILL NEVER BE AN AN INVOICE FROM US UNLESS THE CITATION IS PAID AND SATISFIED.
AND THE CITY AND ACCOUNT ON PAYMENT ON THE SCOPE IS ALL PAID.
THE MONTHLY SERVICE FEES GUARANTEED VENDOR'S GONNA GET PAID NO MATTER.
UM, THERE'S A TERM THAT'S OUT THERE CALLED COST NEUTRALITY.
IT IS ALIVE AND WELL IN OUR INDUSTRY BASICALLY SAYS, WELL IF IT DOESN'T MAKE THE 3000 OR $2,900 A MONTH, WE'LL DEFER THAT SHORTAGE TO THE NEXT MONTH.
OH YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA DEFER THAT SHORTAGE, TACK IT ONTO THAT $3,000, THEN RUN IT FOR 10 YEARS AND AT THE END OF 10 YEARS, WELL MAYBE YOU'LL GET TAKEN AWAY, BUT IT'S NOT PER SYSTEM PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHY WE AS A COMPANY, WE, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THIS.
WE DO HAVE FLAT FEE PROGRAMS, UM, IN THE STATE.
ANY OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, YOU'VE GIVEN US A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
UH, AND ONE OTHER, ONE LAST QUESTION.
LET SAY WE DECIDED ONE OR BOTH OF THE PROGRAMS WOULD A SCHOOL, BUT WE HAD A, A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT JUST ABSOLUTELY DID NOT WANNA PARTICIPATE.
SO THAT WOULD BE LEFT UP TO THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND YOU GUYS WOULD DO ALL THIS LEG WORK, I MEAN, AS FAR GETTING THEM SIGNED UP AND WHOLE THING AND, UH, SO ABSOLUTELY.
ATTORNEY DID REALLY THE, YOUR ROLES AS THE, THE COMMISSIONER AND THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE COUNTY IS REALLY WORKING ON THE GOVERNANCE OF THE PROGRAM AND THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT HERE IN COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN WORKING, UNFORTUNATELY, THE SHERIFF IS GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AS WELL AS YOUR COURTS.
UM, AGAIN, IT WAS EASIER FOR US, I WANT TO SAY EASIER, BUT IT'S BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE FOUND, STARTING TO LOOK AT CITIES AGAIN, ROUND ROCK WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
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ONES.UM, IN THE STATE THEY KIND OF STRADDLE WILLIAMSON AND, AND TRAVIS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICTS DON'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES, RIGHT? YOU HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT CROSSES WHAT IS ANY ISD NORTHEAST, I BELIEVE THEY CROSS FIVE DIFFERENT CITIES AND A VILLAGE IN THERE AND A VILLAGE.
AND, AND IT MADE SENSE IN THOSE CASES WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIVE COMPONENTS, DIFFERENT FINE AMOUNTS, THE TECHNOLOGY CAN DO IT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S REALLY WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THE PROGRAM? EQUITABLE ADMINISTRATION ACROSS THE WIDEST BODY POSSIBLE.
UH, THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY IS REALLY COMING TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
UH, THERE'S SEVERAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT ARE CONTRACTING THEIR BUS SERVICES.
WE WORK WITH FIRST STUDENT, DACO, YOU NAME IT, WE HAVE IT ON.
TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST IDENTIFY 'EM TO THE N DEGREE, GOLD STAR.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY, LAST YEAR, UM, WE WERE AWARDED THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS FOR BLUEBIRD.
UM, RUSH BUS IS DOWN BY SAN ANTONIO.
UM, WE HAVE THE NATIONAL CONTRACT FOR BLUEBIRD BUS.
UM, TYPICALLY OUR THIRD PARTY BUS PROVIDERS WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT BY THEIR DISTRICT AND BY THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE.
WE COME OUT AND GIVE THEM EVERY INDEMNIFICATION UNDER LAW WE CAN.
UM, AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY EASY TO WORK WITH, EVEN TO THE EXTENT WHERE LET'S SAY, UH, PROGRAM ENDS LEGISLATION CHANGES OR WE CAN'T FIX STUPID LINES, STARTS CLIMBING BACK UP AND SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT AND YOU WANT TO CANCEL A CONTRACT OR JUST SCRAP THE WHOLE PROGRAM.
WE WORK WITH THE BUS PROVIDERS TO RESTORE THE BUS THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
WHETHER THAT MEANS TAKING IT OUT OF SERVICE AND GETTING INTO A BODY SHOP OR WHATEVER IT MEANS TO SATISFY THEM.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN OUR CONTRACT.
BEING HERE, WE WILL, UH, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOLIDAYS AND STUFF, BUT WE'LL UH, BE SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A, OF A PRELIMINARY TENANCY CONTRACT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
I'LL FOLLOW UP SOME INFORMATION AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER'S ORDER AND SIMILAR INFORMATION AROUND THE PROGRAM.
AND WE'LL ALSO WORK, I'LL HAVE CAROLYN WORK WITH, UH, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TO GET YOU THEIR, THEIR PILOT RESULTS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD DATA.
WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD VIDEO TO SHOW YOU AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WE LOOK AT, AND THIS IS WHERE THE LOCAL DISCRETION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT COMES IN, YOU KNOW, WAS IT A FLAVORING VIOLATION OR WAS IT SOMEONE WHO STOPPED SHORT HALFWAY ON A BUS? WERE THEY INCHING ALONG AND JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING? DID THEY HAVE TO GET OUTTA THE WAY FOR AN AMBULANCE? THAT ALL GETS PLAYED INTO IT AND WE CAPTURE THAT AND IT'S NOT FOR US TO DECIDE IT'S GLOBALLY FOR YOU.
UH, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THESE LAST TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I AND I, AND I THINK YOU SAID WE, UH, COULD TAKE A, I KNOW MR. LANE HERE TODAY.
THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT RAY BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, KEN HAD GOT ON THE COUNTY CLERK THE, UH, PLA APPLICATION FEE SCHEDULE, UH, BACK ON NINE 19TH AND FILLED IT OUT.
AND I THINK AT THAT TIME, AND Y'ALL HELPED ME THIS, I KNEW THAT THIS IS MY FIRST ONE.
AT THAT TIME, UH, IF NO ROAD CONSTRUCTION WAS BEING DONE, ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS PAY THE FEE FOR THE FINAL PLA.
IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT INCORRECT? IT WAS THE $500 THAT KEN PAID.
I THINK KEN WENT TO THE COUNTY CLERK AND GOT YEAH.
ALL, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE CLERK HAD IN THEIR POSSESSION AT THE TIME.
WELL, I THINK WE CHANGED THESE FEES IN AUGUST, DID WE NOT? AND THIS WAS IN SEPTEMBER THE 19TH.
YEAH, I THINK THE FEES WERE CHANGED BY FOUR IN AUGUST TO 600.
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THAT'S, THAT'S ON ZOOM.THESE, I THINK IT WAS EIGHT 13 AND I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT.
MY, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS ON THE, ON THE, THE NEW SCHEDULE, UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN JUST IS REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSIONER AND, UM, THE, UM, OWNER AND THE ENGINEER.
AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IS WHAT WE BRING TO THE COURT HAS TO BE PRESENTED 21 DAYS BEFORE WE PRESENT THE FINAL.
NOW THE QUESTION I STILL HAVE IS IF THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS, LIKE KIM'S DEAL IS, UM, THE, ON LIKE THE ADDITIONAL REVIEWS, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF HE MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, THE VERY FIRST PRESENTATION TO THE COURT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THEY REVIEW? AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE, WHY WOULD THERE BE A CHARGE FOR AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW IF SOMETHING IS NOT MET? IF THE DEVELOPER DID NOT MEET THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF
IF THEY MEET THEM ALL IN THERE, NO ADDITIONAL REVIEW.
AND THEN ON THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN, WHICH THERE IS NO CONSTRUCTION ON YOU SURVEY, UM, YOU COME ON, THAT'S GOOD.
WELL, WHAT I HAVE IS, IS THE OLD ONE AND THE NEW ONE, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PARALLEL, UH, BECAUSE THE OLD ONE HAS A, UH, CATEGORY FOR NO CONSTRUCTION.
SO IN HIS CASE WHERE HE HAS NO ROAD CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE, UH, IS THE REVIEW PROCESS GONNA BE CHARGED TO HIM FOR EACH ADDITIONAL REVIEW? YES.
NOW THE ADDITIONAL REVIEW ONLY IF, IF WHEN YOU SUBMIT A PLAN TO START WITH, OKAY, AND IT'S NOT RIGHT AND THEY TELL YOU NEED TO FIX THIS.
OKAY, THEN THEY'LL REVIEW IT AGAIN.
AND THEN, SO IF YOU, IF YOU SUBMIT A PLAN THAT IS CORRECT, THERE IS NO WARRANTY.
SO THE 500 THAT HE'S PAID ALREADY IS ACTUALLY OVERPAID FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE PRELIMINARY PLA ON THE NEW ONE IS ONLY FOUR.
SO IF HE PRESENTS A PRELIMINARY PLAT UP THE SNUFF, NO CHANGES, EVERYTHING'S GOOD.
UM, HE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN OVERPAID BY A HUNDRED FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
NOW THE ISSUE WE HAD, UM, THE LAST MINUTE I WAS HERE MINUTES AGO WAS ABOUT THE TOPO NOW, AND YOUR COMMENT WAS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BRING IN THE ENGINEERS FOR A VARIANCE.
UM, NOW NO, WE WOULD, IF WE, IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS OR IF WE'RE NOT GOING REQUIRE THAT, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TO REFLECT THAT AND THERE WOULD NOT BE A VARIANCE REQUIRED.
THAT WAY IF WE CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, SAY THAT, THAT, UH, YOU DON'T NEED A TOPO FOR, UH, A CERTAIN SIZE ACREAGE OR LOCK OR WHATEVER, THEN IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL, IT'S FOLLOW ALL THE RULES RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT ACCORDING TO THE RULES.
SO IT WOULD REQUIRE MARRIAGE, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR ME TO ALLOW CHANGING THE RULES IS, IS STILL CHANGING THE RULES.
WE WOULD HAVE TO INVOLVE ENGINEERS CHANGE HAVING A, A VARIANCE THROUGH COMMISSIONER'S COURT WOULD NOT, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK CHANGE HOWEVER WE WANTED TO.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS WHAT THE ENGINEERING FIRM WAS SUPPOSED TO DO TWICE.
THEY ARE, AND I THINK IT WAS, UH, IT WAS IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS IT NOT MR. LANEY? UH, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ONE THAT, THAT I BROUGHT, UH, IN FRONT OF THE COURT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THE, UH, APPLICATION WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY, UH, GIVEN TO THE ENGINEERS AS A, UH, NO CONSTRUCTION, NO ROADS.
AND SO WE WENT STRAIGHT TO A FINAL PLAQUE.
WHAT THE ENGINEER STATED WAS THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE FINAL PLAT TO AVOID THAT PROCESS OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WAS THE TOPO AND, UH, GREG, THE, THE COUNTY, UH, SURVEYOR SAID THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM ON A FINAL PLAT TO PUT THE TOPO AT A TWO FOOT INTERVAL BECAUSE IT'S SO CONVOLUTED WITH ACREAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE, DIMENSIONS.
AND SO WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT IT.
UH, ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD OFFER THAT TWO FOOT TOPO IS REALLY MORE THAN YOU NEED FOR A, FOR A 10, UH, ANYTHING
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GREATER THAN A ONE ACRE IN AVERAGE SIZE SUBDIVISION.BUT, UH, SO THE ENGINEER GAVE ME THE, UH, APPROVAL BASED ON THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DECIDING HOW TO HANDLE THE TOPO REQUIREMENT.
EVERYTHING ELSE ON MY FINAL PLAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
I MEAN HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND IS WAITING YOUR APPROVAL ON THAT.
SO DOES THAT KIND OF GIMME AN IDEA OF WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW? UM, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE ON OUR SOUTH LAKE PROJECT.
WE DID A SIGN A, A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND FINAL PLAT AT THE SAME MEETING.
WE DID FOR BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
IT JUST SAID THE PLATS HAVE TO BE FILED.
YOU HAVE TO BE IN OPPOSITE, MORE SOONER THAN 21 DAYS.
BUT WE COULD HAVE, WE HAVE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME IN 21 DAYS.
AT THAT POINT WE CAN ACTUALLY APPROVE ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH OR NOT.
BUT YOUR CONCEPT PLAN, THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO, THE, THE EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT WAS THAT I ASSUMED THAT THAT WAS MEANT TO BE A PRELIMINARY PLAN.
IT SAID CONCEPT PLAN 'CAUSE IT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
IT WAS PROBABLY JUST THE WORDING ON THE BOTTOM OF IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T SUBMIT A CONCEPT PLAN TO THE COURTS.
I'M THINKING YOU PROBABLY SUBMITTED THE PRELIMINARY PLAN TO THE COURT.
SO AT THIS POINT, UM, IS THE COURT IN AGREEMENT THAT THERE WILL BE NO VARIANCES ISSUED ON THE TOPO? WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT UNLESS WE CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS SO THAT EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE SAME RULES.
ALSO CHANGE, I'D LIKE TO SAY SUPPLEMENTAL COMMENDING THAT TO US.
SO FOR MR. LANE TO MOVE FORWARD THEN AT THIS POINT WE NEED HIM TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE TWO FOOT TOPO, PUT IT ON HIS PRELIMINARY PLA, SUBMIT IT TO THE COURT THAT IN 21 DAYS ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE CAN PROVE FINE.
OR WE COULD WAIT AND SEE WHAT, SEE IF WE CHANGE ANY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED THIS CHIEF HIP TO DO THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU HAVE SOME EXPERT IN YOUR OPINION.
COULD WE NOT? I MEAN MORE LIKELY WE'RE GET THAT DONE.
WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE FROM, FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT? WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
I THINK YOUR, YOUR ONLINE REGULATIONS FOR SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE.
IT'S, IT'S FAIR TO, TO BOTH SIDES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TOPO REQUIREMENT.
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING ELSE IS ABOVE BOARD.
IT'S IT'S UNIFORM TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN MANY OTHER COUNTIES.
UH, AS A DEVELOPER, I THINK IT ENSURES THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY AS I GO FORWARD.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IS THE SOPO REQUIREMENT AND, AND OF THE TWO FOOT.
SO IF THAT CHANGE WAS MADE, THEN I'M ACCORDING TO, TO THE ENGINEER, I'VE SATISFIED EVERYTHING ELSE AND I WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
WAS THERE A LETTER EVER SENT OUT THAT YOU MET ON THOSE REQUIREMENTS? I NEVER SAW IT, I BELIEVE YES.
I THINK IT LOOKED OUTTA OUR PACKET.
THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT THE, UH, THE COVER SIZES.
WHICH YOUR COVER COVER'S GOING BE ON THE FARM MARKET ROAD TO BE DETERMINED BY OP PERMIT.
THE COVER'S ON THE SIDE ROAD WILL BE DETERMINED BY COUNTY PERMIT.
SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY HAD THAT ON THERE AND IT WASN'T MARKED OFF.
BUT I, AND I, I READ THE REGULATIONS AND REREAD 'EM ON THAT AND I'M THINKING THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE CULVERTS ON A SUBDIVISION ROAD THAT'S INSTALLED FOR EACH LOT ALONG A NEW SUBDIVISION ROAD, IS THE WAY I READ IT.
WE, WE DO PUT IN THE, IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT ARE FILED THAT ALL OF THE CULVERTS HAVE TO MEET THE, THE COUNTY STANDARDS AND ANYTHING WITH PERMITTING PROCESS HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S IN THERE AS WELL.
THEY SIGN THAT WHEN THEY BUY A LOT.
BUT THE DOT REGULATES ALL THE FARM MARKET.
AND WE TYPICALLY GET THOSE PERMITS FOR THEM OR HELP THEM ALONG WITH THAT PROCESS.
SO, UH, IN FACT I HAVE ONE, IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT NOW THAT THE, I MET WITH DOT LAST WEEK AND HE SAYS WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS
SO I'M WORKING WITH THAT LOT OWNER TO GET IT CORRECTED BEFORE THEY CAN GET THE FINAL APPROVED FORM.
SO IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CHANGING THAT PART OF OUR SUBDIVISION, IF WE GET THE ENGINEERS SAY, WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT I WANT SOMEBODY TO TELL ME THAT THAT IS GONNA BE GOOD.
BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DRAINAGE PLANS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE, THE HOUSE IS GOING FLOOD AND THEY'RE GONNA EXPECT YOU BACK TO WATER ON UP HERE SINCE WE DON'T HAVE MID LOT ELEVATIONS.
AND SO IF, IS IT, UH, DOES IT HELP TO HAVE THE CONTOURS CLOSER TOGETHER TO, TO ADDRESS THAT OR DOES IT NOT? BUT I, THAT'S WHAT THE ENGINEER WOULD'VE TO SURE.
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THINK THIS, WE GET THAT PROPERTY DOWN.WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING.
IF WE COULD DO THAT MONEY, IF WE COULD GET GET YEAH, GET GET, GET, UH, GET GIVE US, YEAH.
GET TED GIVE US THAT RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
THAT WOULD'VE ON CERTAIN SIZE LOTS OR CERTAIN OR LOTS OF CERTAIN SIZE NOT REQUIRED, WHATEVER, AND THEN WE CHANGE OUR SUB REGULATIONS TO SAY THAT.
WELL, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE NOT RELEVANT TO LOT SIZE, BUT RELEVANT TO NO ROADS BEING CONSTRUCTED.
BUT IF YOU DON'T CONSTRUCT ANY ROADS, NO WATER'S GONNA BE REROUTED.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE LAND AND OBVIOUSLY SEE THE CREEKS WHERE IT'S BEEN GOING, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW THOSE ARE BEING BUILT TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE, IF ROADS WERE BEING BUILT, IT'S GONNA CUT WATER OFF AND SEEING IT AROUND THE HILLSIDE RATHER THAN DOWN THE CREEK.
THEN EVERYBODY THAT PURCHASE THE LOT SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THAT WATER THAT USED TO GO DOWN THAT CREEK IS GONNA COME AROUND THAT ROAD.
WHEN THEY BUILD A HOUSE IN THAT LOW SPOT WHERE THE WATER BEEN COMING OFF COUNTY ROAD, THEY BUILD A HOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT LOW SPOT AND THEN THEY CALL YOU UP AND SAY, HEY, I'M FLOODING.
IF YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THOSE CALLS, I'M SURE YEAH.
FAST FROM WHAT USED TO BE YOUR PRECINCT
BUT, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHERE THEY PUT THEIR HOUSE ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SETBACK LINES, WE'VE GOT FLOOD PLAINS TO KEEP 'EM OUT OF FLOOD PLAINS.
UM, BUT IN, IN KIDS SUBDIVISION, A LOT OF THE LOT LINES ARE THE, ARE ACTUALLY IN, IN THE, THE CREEK, THE WATERWAY.
YOU KNOW, IT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU GO BY THE 75 OR 50 FOOT SETBACK.
IT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT A HOUSE IN FLOOD PLAIN.
BUT I, THIS IS JUST UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, BEING, BEING SOMEONE THAT PLANS ON DOING MANY MORE DEVELOPMENTS IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND, AND WE'VE DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME THAT THE ONE ACRE THRESHOLD THERE ALLOWS A LOT OWNER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS HOUSE, NOT OUT OF A PROBLEM AREA, BUT JUST GIVES HIM SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO DIFFERENT AREAS.
THE 10 FOOT TOPO THAT COMES ALONG WITH, WITH YOUR FEMA MAP IS SOMETHING THAT'LL IDENTIFY REAL PROBLEM AREAS ON, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY SMALLER THAN GIVE THAT TO US THEN I'D BE GOOD WITH IT.
THEY CAN'T MOVE IT, UH, AROUND, SO THE UH, THE FEE SCHEDULE ON THE THING THAT VICKY DID IS VERY GOOD.
UH, IT KIND OF MORE, IF MORE, IF THIS WAS HANDED OUT TO THE, TO THE PEOPLE VERSUS THIS OLD RIGHT HERE, I'M THINK IT WOULD CLARIFIED A LOT OF WHAT THE DOLLAR MAP SHOULD BE.
WE ALREADY STARTED THAT ONCE IT WENT AROUND THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEY KIND OF DIDN'T SAY THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE, THAT'S THE ONE WE OUT.
ALRIGHT, CAN WE MOVE THIS DISCUSSION ALONG? CAN WE SOMEBODY GET US A LETTER FROM THE ENGINEER BY MONDAY? OR WE'LL WE'LL ACTUALLY NEED IT BY WEDNESDAY MORNING THAT'S VERY LATE SO WE CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA TO CHANGE THE, UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IN, IN THIS ONE REGARD.
YEAH, I THINK WORKING ON, SO ON THE AGENDA SHOULD BE TO CHANGE SECTION SUCH AND SUCH AND SUCH TO, UH, PROVIDE A WARNING OR SOMETHING.
NOT JUST BE AS BROAD CHANGE REGULATIONS WE DO THAT, THAT ELIMINATE HIM HAVING.
AND LIKE I SAID IN THE PAST WEEK, WE REALLY UNDERSTAND THE, UH, IF THE WAY THE WORDING READ ON, I THINK IT WAS CALDWELL COUNTY, WAS THAT IF THE AVERAGE SIZE ACREAGE IS ONE ACRE OR LESS, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A TWO FOOT TOPO.
OR IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE ONE ACRE TRACK, THEN IT WOULD'VE TO HAVE A TOPO.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING JIMMY CAN USE RAY KIND OF WORK TOGETHER AND GET WITH THE ENGINEER AND GET THAT, GET THAT SO WE CAN GET THIS.
I SAY MY, MY MY DEAL IS NOT SO MUCH THE LOCK SIZE, IT'S NOT ANY, ANY CONSTRUCTION OR EARTH WORK REAR CHANGE.
THE DRAINS GONNA BE VERY OBVIOUS PURCHASER WHERE THE WATER GOES, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT HAS BEEN GOING.
UH, TO ME LOT SIZE IS KIND OF
WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE SEEN AREAS WHERE YOU COULD PUT TWO AC LOT.
THE WHOLE THING IS IT WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT ALL WAY FROM HERE ON OUT.
WELL, WE COULD JUST PUT WORD IT SO THAT UH, WE COULD, WE COULD SUBSTITUTE THE US GEOLOGICAL SURVEY WITH A 10 FOOT TOPO, UH, IN RETROSPECTIVE TWO FOOT BY, UH, A NEW TWO FOOT TO BY THE ENGINEER IF NO ROAD ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED AND NO EARTH BEING DONE.
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I THINK I INCLUDED ONE OF THE COPIES OF THAT IN THE LAST MEETING WE HAD HERE.WAS IT WITH THE FINAL PLA THAT A US GEOLOGICAL 10 FOOT TOPO AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON, I HAVE A COPY MY OFFICE.
LAST I, THEY SAID YOU MADE COPIES FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE, THE PROPERTY.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, WE HAVE A BILL, UH, EMAIL HERE FROM JIM RAZZA IS, UH, WE REVIEWED AND REVISED AND, UH, RESUBMITTED WINDING CREEK RANCH FINAL PLAT THAT MR. LANE SUBMITTED.
HE HAS ADDRESSED ALL OUR INITIAL COMMENTS EXCEPT THE REQUIREMENT OF EXISTING PROPOSED, UH, WHICH HE HAS SINCE HE'S REQUEST.
SO ACCORDING TO THEM, EVERYTHING'S SATISFIED.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN OUR PACKAGE.
YEAH, I THINK THIS WAS, UH, THE YES ONE, ONE WAS OUR PACKAGE WAS THE ONE HERE THAT ADDRESSED A FEW ISSUES FOR HIM TO, UH, UH, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THIS OCTOBER 7TH.
AND I GUESS YOU'VE ADDRESSED THESE YES SIR.
COMMENTS RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR.
GREG, GREG PUT THOSE ON THE, THAT WAS THE EMAIL WAS AFTER THAT.
SEE WE DIDN'T GET THAT, DID YOU? RIGHT.
WELL WE GOT A DIFFERENT HERE THAT THESE HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED YET.
SO, UM, YOU WORK WITH HIM, WE'LL TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE.
I JUST DID WITH KYLE TO, TO AGREE THAT THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING HERE ON THAT HAVE THAT FEE SCHEDULE.
THE OTHER THING IS A NEW FEE SCHEDULE.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S KIND OF NOT PARALLEL WITH THE OLD ONE AS FAR AS IF, IF THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION, SHOULD WE LOOK AT CHANGING IT TO, UH, PARALLEL THE OLD ONE.
THEY PUT THESE FEES TOGETHER FOR US TO, UH, COME MAKE SURE WE WERE COVERING THEIR COSTS BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT BILLS ON THAT.
IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT, AND SO THOSE NUMBERS WERE PUT TOGETHER BY COBB FELONY TO MAKE SURE WE CAN RECOUP OUR COST ON THEIR REVIEWS, THEIR THEIR FEES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING'S SOMETHING I NEED TO ASK HIM ABOUT.
IF, IF ACCORDING TO THIS, IT'LL HAVE TO DO A PRELIMINARY FLAT, UH, FEE OF 400 AND FINAL FLAT OF 600.
AND ON THE OLD ONE, IF THERE WAS NO CONSTRUCTION, IT WAS JUST A FINAL COVER FEES.
SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE CHANGE THIS TO JUST A FINAL PLA ON THE NO CONSTRUCTION COST OF A THOUSAND TO ELIMINATE, LET'S PUT THAT IN QUESTION TO LET THEM AFTER THAT DIVORCE.
THAT'S WHAT CLARIFY FOR FUTURE.
YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE ADOPTED BACK WHEN YOU THINK IT WAS IN AUGUST? IT WAS AUGUST 12TH.
WHAT WAS IT? I I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE PAPERWORK FOR IT, BUT I HAVE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MINUTES AND IT JUST BASICALLY SAID WE WERE APPROVING THE SUBDIVISION, UPDATING THE SUBDIVISION FEES.
SO WE DID THAT TWICE LAST SUMMER.
THEY GIVE US ONE, THEY GIVE US ONE ESTIMATE EARLIER IN SUMMER AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND CHANGE AGAIN LATER SUMMER.
BUT I THINK THE LAST ONE WAS IN AUGUST.
WELL IF Y'ALL CAN AND GET THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, WE CAN GET IT, YOU KNOW, CAN GET IT TO US SOMETIME WE LATE.
THAT'LL, AND IF WE NEED TO REFUND YOU THE MONEY, I MEAN, WE COULD WORK THROUGH THAT.
WELL, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS, NOT OWE 400 MORE SO 500 MORE.
SO QUITE FRANKLY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK IF IT'S NO CONSTRUCTION, THE FINAL
SO I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND IF THEY SAID NO NEEDS TO BE A THOUSAND, NO CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER, IT'S, AS LONG AS WE COVER OUR COSTS, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF.
RIGHT? UM, MR. BLA, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH US AS WE, WE WADE THROUGH THIS.
LET'S GET IT SETTLED OUT BECAUSE WE MORE OFTEN, I THINK, AS YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL EXPECT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OF THESE TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS IN THE YEARS AHEAD.
SO IT'S GOOD FOR US TO GET THIS STUFF ALL, ALL RESOLVED NOW, SIMPLIFY IT AND STREAMLINE, RIGHT? YOU'RE VERY CLOSE, IN MY OPINION.
IT'S VERY CLOSE, EASY TO WORK WITH FROM OUR STANDPOINT.
I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COUNTY AS WELL.
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WATCH THESE SCHOOL SAFETY ZONE, SIT THROUGH THAT.ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL JUST TABLE THIS UNTIL MONDAY AND UH, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER NINE.
SO MAY, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSA, HAVE A SECOND.
ALSO DISCUSS, CONSIDER REQUIRING THAT FOR ALL SUBDIVISIONS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF MUNICIPALITY OR ETJ, UH, THE MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU, YOU ALL HAVE VISITED, I THINK.
RIGHT? AND TED AND JOHN ARE GOING LOOK AT SOME OTHER ISSUES.
SO GONNA BE WHY, WHAT ARE, ARE GONNA LOOK AT SOME ISSUES WHERE WE NOT DO JUST WHAT SOME OTHER CAMERAS ARE DOING.
I DUNNO WHAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT, I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY SPECIFIC WHAT SAID YOU CAN'T DO IT.
SO I THINK WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS PERTAIN TO LAND USE.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY RESIDE CAN BE PUT ON ONE LOT AND MAYBE GET SOME TEETH.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT TRYING TO GET SOME TEETH TO FORCE SOME OF THAT INSTEAD OF LIKE WHEN THE DEVELOPER MADE THE RESTRICTIONS.
AND THESE LONG TIME, THERE'S NOBODY RESTRICTIONS.
THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT POST PRECINCT ONE THAT THE GUY THAT ORIGINALLY DID THE DEVELOPMENT, HE SOLD IT, YOU KNOW, SOLD OUT HALF OF IT, SOLD IT, AND SOLD THE REST OF ANOTHER DEVELOPER.
WE HAVE, WE'RE OUTTA THAT BUILDING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION.
DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? I HOPE WE'LL HAVE BY NEXT MONTH.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA? NO.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CHAIN TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 10.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. MANNING SECONDS.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY THIS WAS A LONG SESSION, BUT Y'ALL GOT THE THING ON THE LAWSUIT OVER WITH, I THINK.