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TODAY, WE FORMAL ACTION MEETING AND TRYING TO COME TOGETHER WITH A, UH, UH, PLAN FOR A VEHICLE POLICY FOR, UH, KAMAN COUNTY.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU HAVE A VISIT HERE AND A GUEST THAT'S GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT TARRANT COUNTY.
KIM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LET ME INTRODUCE THIS IS MR. ROSS TAR COUNTY.
SHE HAS DID THEIR, AND PERFORMED THEIR BOOK FROM THE GROUND THAT SHE IS THE ONE THAT PUT IT TOGETHER FROM THE START.
AND THIS IS ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
WELL, ACTUALLY, OUR, UH, ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POLICY.
TAR COUNTY, I'M THE DIRECTOR, HAD BEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
I STARTED OUT IN OCTOBER 1ST OF NINE, NINE, UH, AS THE FIRST FLEET MANAGER OF TARRANT COUNTY.
PRIOR TO THAT, I WAS IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT END OF TARRANT COUNTY.
STARTED WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN NINE TWO AND BECAME A DEPUTY IN NINE FOUR.
AND FROM THERE IT LED ME IN TO THE FLEET WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, AND THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED A FLEET MANAGER FOR SHARON COUNTY.
SO OCTOBER 1ST OF NINE, NINE WAS MY FIRST DAY ON THE JOB AND STARTED WITH NOTHING.
AND ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, NINE YEARS AGO, UM, I ACTUALLY TOOK OVER THE MAIN MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR COUNTY.
AND SO THE ONLY VEHICLES THAT WE DON'T SERVICE ARE AT OUR COMMISSIONER'S PRECINCTS.
SO WE HAVE A MAIN MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
WE HANDLE ABOUT FIVE 50 UNITS OUT OF MY SHOP, AND I BUY AND SELL ALL OUR COUNTY CARS WHEN THEY'RE USED.
AND, UH, THIS POLICY HELPS, IT'S AN UMBRELLA POLICY YOU CAN MODIFY HOWEVER IT BEST FITS YOUR NEEDS.
BUT FOR TARRANT COUNTY, IT WORKS WELL.
WELL IT NOT LIKE YOU, YOU ALL KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF IT.
YOU PRETTY MUCH PRETTY WELL STAY WITH IT.
UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH, AGAIN, COMING OVER TODAY AND TALKING WITH US.
WE'RE KIND OF, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OFF AND ON FOR COUPLE YEARS AND WE'VE JUST, UH, NEVER REALLY FIT AND, UH, SPIT THE BULLET I GUESS SO TO SPEAK.
TWO ESTABLISHED ONE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND JUST TO DISCUSS AND TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A COUNTY.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE MANY, MANY TIMES SMALLER THAN PARENT COUNTY.
UH, BUT I'M, I'VE LOOKED OVER THE MATERIAL AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS HERE THAT WILL APPLY.
SO, UH, KEN, YOU, UH, WERE THE PERSON I KIND OF ASKED TO, UH, ROUND ROB THIS THING HERE, HERE, WHAT MS. RUSSELL'S GONNA DO, SHE'S GONNA TAKE THIS PAGE BY PAGE AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT AND LOOK AT IT, READ AND, AND SCOPE IT OUT.
AND LIKE I TOLD HER, WE GIVE HER ABOUT AN HOUR.
SO ANYWAY, THIS WAY WE CAN ALL LOOK AT IT TOGETHER, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND, AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, Y'ALL CAN, YEAH, WE NEED IT TO BE A FREE AND OPEN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION.
YOU WANNA COME UP HERE? YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME.
I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA READ IT TO YOU VERBATIM, I'M SURE.
I'M CONFIDENT THAT, UH, EVERYBODY CAN AGREE.
AND, UH, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THIS AND IT TALKS ABOUT MR ROLE AND, UH, THE VEHICLE POLICY AND HOW POLICIES ARE DETERMINED IN THE COUNTY AND THE UTILIZATION.
AND THEY DICTATE HOW A VEHICLE CAN BE USED AND WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE THE USE OF VEHICLES.
AND THEY GIVE A DESCRIPTION OF THE CATEGORY OF VEHICLES.
AND AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE PRECINCT SUPPORT VEHICLES, DEPARTMENTAL SUPPORT VEHICLES, DEPARTMENT HEAD VEHICLES, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SUPPORT STAFF VEHICLES, FORFEITED VEHICLES, GRANT VEHICLES AND POOL VEHICLES.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRECINCT SUPPORT VEHICLES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMISSIONER'S PRECINCTS.
WE HAD FOUR IN PRECINCT ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND I'M NOT SURE IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH JD JOHNSON AND PRECINCT FOUR COMMISSIONER AND PRECINCT TWO.
AND THEN WE HAVE BROOK AT PRECINCT ONE AND THEIR SUPPORT VEHICLES ARE MAINTENANCE VEHICLES.
THEY ALSO HAVE A FEW THAT ARE USED BY THEIR HIRING POSITIONS, UH, AS TAKE ON VEHICLES,
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BUT THEY'RE, IS THAT LIKE ROAD? IT CAN BE A PRECINCT MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR OR ABOVE.AND THEN WE HAD DEPARTMENTAL SUPPORT VEHICLES AND IT KIND OF GIVES A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THOSE ARE.
AND THEY'RE TRANSPORTING SUPPLIES, PROBATION VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HEAD VEHICLES COULD BE OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
OUR SHERIFF OF COURSE HAS A TAKE HOME VEHICLE.
ALL HIS CHIEF DEPUTIES HAVE TO TAKE ON VEHICLES AND SELECT YOU UNDER THAT.
THE REST OF THEM ARE SUPPORT VEHICLE, BASICALLY SHERIFFS.
ABOUT HOW MANY TAKE HOME VEHICLES THE COUNTY HAS APPROXIMATELY? NO, THE SHERIFF.
OH, IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? YEAH.
THEY HAVE 53 VEHICLES CURRENTLY, BUT YES, FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND I WOULD SAY 20 VEHICLES, SEVEN, BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS NOT ONLY CONFINED, THEIR, THEIR MAIN CONCENTRATE IS THE CONFINED DIVISION.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, OTHER DIVISIONS LIKE OUR INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION, OUR WARRANT DIVISION, UH, WE HAVE THE COVER UNITS FOR OUR NARCOTICS UNITS.
UH, WE HAVE SPECIAL BRAND FUNDED VEHICLES FOR THE EMISSIONS TASK FORCE.
WE HAVE AUTO THEFT TASK FORCE, WHICH THEY ACTUALLY LEASE VEHICLES, UH, FOR THEIR TOP POSITIONS AND FOR SOME OF THEIR INVESTIGATORS SO THEY CAN CHANGE THEM OUT IN CASE THEY'RE TAGGED AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE A VEHICLE.
IT'S REALLY, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE OR VEHICLE SHERIFF FORFEITURES ARE, ARE NORMALLY SEIZED BY NARCOTICS UNIT OR INVESTIGATION UNIT.
AND SOME OF THOSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO KEEP RIGHT IF THEY'RE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY GOOD RUN, WHICH IS, THAT'S WHAT MY SHOP DOES, WE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE A USE OF.
IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN THEY GO TO AUCTION AND THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE OF THOSE FORFEITURE VEHICLES GO BACK INTO THEIR FORFEITURE.
YOU KNOW HOW ANY MANY OF THOSE YOU HAVE FORFEITED VEHICLES? WE PROBABLY OWN THE CABIN MAYBE FIVE TO 10, POSSIBLY BY WONDER WHAT THAT, I GUESS EVERYBODY THAT'S THE UPSTAIRS RENOVATION.
I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT
OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALSO HAS A NARCOTIC AND THEY ALSO SEIZE AND ARE C VEHICLES.
AND A FEW OF THOSE ARE USED, NOT VERY MANY.
UH, STILL, WE USUALLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS HERE.
AND IN THIS PAST YEAR, WE JUST HAD A RECENT AUCTION.
AND EACH DEPARTMENT, UM, OUR, OUR GRANT FUNDED VEHICLES, THE GRANT GO BACK TO BRANDON.
NORMALLY IT'S WRITTEN IN GREEN.
OUR FORFEITURE VEHICLES, WHETHER IT'S DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE SEPARATED AND GO BACK INTO THEIR FORFEITURE ACCOUNTS.
UH, GENERAL FUND VEHICLES GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
ANYTHING THAT'S PURCHASED WITH CAPITAL MONEY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I BUDGET FOR EVERY YEAR.
THIS YEAR I'M ASKING FOR RIGHT AT 2.1 MILLION IN HOPES.
UH, I DO THAT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF I OUT AND, AND IN MY SHOP.
AND THEN SEND THEM OUT TO THE, TO THE VARIOUS PRECINCTS.
BUT FOR ALL OTHER VEHICLES, INCLUDING THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WE DO ALL THE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT, WE PURCHASED ALL THE CAPITAL FOR THOSE VEHICLES.
WE ROTATE THE VEHICLES, WE MANAGE ALL OF THEM.
SAME WAY FOR CONSTABLE VEHICLES, CORRECT AS WELL? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT CONSTABLES.
AND THEIR EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NOT, THEY DON'T, THEY AREN'T ALLOWED OVERHEAD LINES AT ALL BECAUSE THEY DON'T STOP PEOPLE OR, WELL, ONE THING WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FEW NEW CONSTABLES THIS LAST YEAR AND UH, OUT OF THE EIGHT WE HAD THAT ARE PRETTY PROACTIVE.
ONE IN PARTICULAR, UH, IS VERY PROACTIVE IN DOING SOME SEIZING OF VEHICLES AND NARCOTICS, AUTO THEFT STUFF.
IT'S A LITTLE BROAD JUST CIVIL PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT REALLY APPROVES OF.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE THAT WE TRY TOFI VEHICLES, UH, BASED ON THE SERVICES
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THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY.I GUESS THAT VARIES FROM COUNTY TO COUNTY.
I'M TRANSPORT OF INMATES AND THAT'S STRICTLY FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THE REST OF THEM ARE COOL CARS AND THEY CAN RANGE FROM OLD CROWN VICTORIOUS.
THESE ARE VEHICLES THAT I'VE PULLED OUT TO REPLACE BUT STILL HAVE SOME USEFUL LIFE.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT DOWN ANY AMOUNT OF TIME, SO YOU JUST PICK UP, MOVE YOUR STUFF OVER AND YOU GO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE 'EM OUTFITTED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME LAW ENFORCEMENT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER EVERYTHING SEAN HAS GOING ON.
IF A, IF ONE OF OUR SHERIFF'S CARS COME IN, WE GET IT IN, WE OIL CHANGE, WE MOVE IT OUT, CHANGE TIRES, WHATEVER IS NECESSARY WHILE THAT OFFICER WAITS ROOM.
AND IT'S A FAIRLY QUICK TERM, 20 TO 30 MINUTES IN MAXIMUM.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THAT.
AND OUR DA'S OFFICE INVESTIGATORS, SAME TIME, WE DON'T MAKE ANY WAY.
WE DON'T NORMALLY ISSUE OUT A POOL CARD TO THEM BECAUSE THEY NEED THEIR PART AND THEY NEED TO GO.
NOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING FOR LONGER SERVICE, THEN YES, THEY'LL TAKE CAR.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, WE'RE AT THE ASSIGNMENT OF VEHICLES AND THE AC UH, ACQUISITION OF COUNTY VEHICLE AND IT'S CONTROLLED BY FISHER'S COURT AND OUR BUDGET OFFICE.
AND THE PURCHASING AGENT ACTUALLY HOLDS ALL THE TITLES TO OUR VEHICLES.
THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE THE ASSET COORDINATOR, SO THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
DID YOU GET A COPY OF YES SIR.
WE HAVE ONE OF OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES HERE, SO OKAY.
JACK OR SEBASTIAN, I GUESS HERE, GUESS HENDERSON COUNTY.
HE RIGHT ACROSS THE, REALLY, ANYWAY, HE COUNTY, APPARENTLY HE GOT PICKED
YES, I KNEW THEY, THEY HAVE TALKED QUITE A BIT.
SO I WAS HOPING TO MEET HIM, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, UH, ASSIGNMENT OF VEHICLES, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ALWAYS A PROCESS AND AS, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN PLACE, THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS HAVE NOT REALLY CHANGED MUCH AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ASSIGNED TO A DEPARTMENT.
UH, VEHICLES CAN BE REQUESTED TO ADD TO THE BELIEVE, BUT THAT DOES HAVE TO COME THROUGH COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO REQUEST IT AND GET IT APPROVED.
YOU CAN'T JUST ADD THE, WHETHER THEY'RE FORFEITURES OR ANYTHING.
SO THEY HAVE THE CRITERIA OR FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO INDIVIDUALS AND CAN BE TAKEN HOME TO RESIDENTS.
UH, IF YOU UTILIZE A VEHICLE 40% OF YOUR NORMAL WORKING HOURS, THEN YOU COULD QUALIFY VIA THAT.
YOUR DEPARTMENT HEAD APPROVES IT.
YOU COULD TAKE THAT VEHICLE HOME.
COULD YOU KIND OF, HOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT 40% OF YOUR WORK DAY IF IT REQUIRES A VEHICLE? CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE? BUT YOU COULD REQUIRE A VEHICLE, YOU CAN SIT IN THE OFFICE ALL DAY LONG.
YOU COULD, IF YOUR DEPARTMENT HEAD YES, IT'S BASED ON THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DETERMINATION, WHETHER YOU NEED TO TAKE A CAR OR NOT.
LEMME SEE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE UTILIZING THEIR VEHICLE 40% OF THE DAY OR MORE.
OUR CONSTABLES ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THEY'RE IN THEIR VEHICLE FROM THE TIME THEY START WORK.
THEY MAY GO IN AND HAVE A, A MEETING FIRST AND THEN THEY GET OUT IN THE FIELD AND THEY'RE SERVING PAPERS ALL DAY THAT WILL QUALIFY THEM FOR TAYLOR.
SOME OF OUR CONSTABLE'S OFFICES LIKE PRECINCT THREE, HAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WANT TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY.
AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO NOT TAKE THEIR CAR SIGN, THEY PARK THEM AT A, ONE OF OUR OUTER OFFICES, PARK THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLE THERE DURING THE DAY, PICK UP THEIR COUNTY CAR AND PROCEED TO WORK.
IT'S ALL UP TO THE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
SO YOUR CONSTABLES, YOU, YOU'VE GOT FOUR PRECINCTS, FOUR CONSTABLE A YES, WE HAVE EIGHT CONS.
SO YOU ONLY HAVE EIGHT CONSTABLE VEHICLES TALKING? NO, EACH DEPARTMENT HAS ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO NINE VEHICLES PER DEPARTMENT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT THEY HAVE THAT ACTUALLY SERVE CIVIL PROCESS.
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IT TALKS ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT SHALL MAINTAIN A LIST OF THEIR VEHICLES, OF THEIR EMPLOYEES.AND AT ANY TIME COMMISSIONER'S COURT REQUESTED, THEY HAD TO PROVE UP WHO'S DRIVING THOSE CARS AND HOW MANY CARS THEY HAD AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
IT TALKS ABOUT PERSONAL USE IS PROHIBITED.
SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT OR COMMISSIONER COURT CAN TAKE THAT FAR AWAY FROM YOU.
UH, RIGHT ABOVE THAT, UH, OFFICIAL EMPLOYEE SAYS TACTICAL MILEAGE.
IF YOU TAKE THAT LOAN, YOU GET CHARGED RE THEY DO SOME TYPE OF TAX WHO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.
OUR AUDITOR'S OFFICE EVERY YEAR.
DOES THAT APPLY TO CONSTABLES? IT APPLIES TO ANYONE THAT HAS A TAKE ON OUR AUDITORS ASK EVERY YEAR FOR A LIST OF TAKE HOME VEHICLES AND THEY NORMALLY ASK MY OFFICE OF THAT AND I PROVIDE THAT TO, AND NORMALLY THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE TAXES THAT IT'S LIKE THEY, THEY TAKE IT OUT AND THEN THEY GIVE IT BACK.
BUT IT'S, IT'S USED AS PART OF THE INCOME.
I CAN GET CLARIFICATION IF YOU, IS THERE NOT SOME KIND? UH, NO.
DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN MARKED CARS, UNMARKED CARS AS FAR AS TAKING TAKE, TAKING HOME PART, THE MILEAGE BOOKS ON THERE IN THE IRS RULE.
IF IT'S MARKED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CHARGED THE IRS.
RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
IS THAT RIGHT LARRY? THAT'S EXACTLY, I'VE GOT THE COPY OF THE IRS HERE.
IT SAYS IT'S AN UNMARKED VEHICLE.
THAT PERSON MUST BE AUTHORIZED TO CARRY FIREARM, EXECUTE SEARCH WARRANTS AND MAKE ARREST CLEARLY.
POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC SERVICE OFFICERS VEHICLE AND THEN THAT OFFICER CAN'T TAKE IT.
SO IF WE ADOPT THIS AS WE WOULD FOLLOW THE IOS RULES CORRECT.
SO SHERIFF DEPUTIES WOULD NOT HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT MONEY, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD WE I'VE NOT HEARD OF ANYONE KEEPING TRACK OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE AT ALL.
HAVE YOU CHARGE? WELL IT'S, IT'S A, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM OUR AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
IT'S SO MUCH FROM MONTH DRIVER NOT, THAT IS TOTALLY OUT OF MY, MY COMFORT ZONE THERE, SIR.
WHENEVER I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, A CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE, I ACTUALLY DROVE A CITY VEHICLE.
I COULD ONLY DRIVE IT TO THE CITYVILLE CITY LIMITS THAT STAYED IN DALLAS COUNTY.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER, I THINK I WAS CHARGED IN ON MY SALARY OF A THREE A DAY EXPENSE OR WHATEVER SHOWED HIS, HIS, I, I DON'T REMEMBER INCOME OR WHATEVER, MEANING I HAD TO PAY TAXES ON THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO IT WAS A DOLLAR VALUE PLACED ON IT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE HERE IN THE IRS PUBLICATION, PRETTY MUCH US TO DECIDE EACH DEPARTMENT KIND OF DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW THEIR EMPLOYEES TO DRIVE OUTTA COUNTY LED UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD.
THE COUNTY HAS NOT EVER COME DOWN AND SAID, OUR COMMISSIONER HAS NOT EVER DICTATED AND SAID YOU CANNOT TAKE A COUNTY CAR OUT TAR COUNTY.
BUT EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD KIND OF MAKES THAT RULE.
UNLESS COMMISSIONER CHANGES THAT AND THAT'S CLEARLY YOUR CHOICE.
LIKE HERE ON PERSONAL VIEWS, UH, SAYS THE COUNTY VEHICLE BE USED FOR, SHOULD IT BE PERSONAL OR FINANCIAL GAIN OR WOULD PERSONAL GAIN INCLUDE FINANCIAL GAIN? ANY, ANY ABOVE.
YOU CAN'T USE A COUNTY CAR FOR PERSONAL GAIN PERIOD.
I CALL HIM, HEY, YOU CAN'T USE A COUNTY.
AND YOU CAN'T STOP BY, YOU KNOW, AND PICK UP FLOWERS OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO, YOU KNOW, BETTER YOUR YARD OR, OR GALLON.
WELL THERE HAD BEEN, WHEN I WORKED AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, DAVID WILLIAMS WAS IN OFFICE ACTUALLY.
AND HIS RULE WAS IF YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY HOME, YOU NEED TO STOP AND PICK UP YOUR LAUNDRY AT THE DRIVE CLEANERS PICKING UP UNIFORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU NEED TO STOP AND GET A GALLON OF MILK AT THE LOCAL CONVENIENCE STORE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT DON'T TAKE THE COUNTY CAR AND GO PICK UP YOUR DAUGHTER OR YOUR SON OR RELATIVES OR TRAVEL WITH ANYONE OTHER THAN A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.
YOUR COUNTY, IT'S NOT AUTHORIZED.
HOW ABOUT TAKING SCHOOL BUS TO IN WON'T WORK.
TOLD YOU THAT WOULDN'T WORK? I ALL OUT
WE HAD AN INSTANCE MANY YEARS AGO WHEN I WORKED WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND AN INDIVIDUAL
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HIGHER RANKING IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.ACTUALLY TOOK HIS COUNTY VEHICLE, COUNTY SIDE VEHICLE TO HIS SECONDARY JOB, DECIDED TO WATCH A MOVIE WHILE HE WAS THERE AND PICK UP HIS PAYCHECK FROM THAT LOCAL THEATER.
THAT WAS ALL CAPTURED ON THE VIDEO.
AND IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THIS POLICY, ANY PORTION THEREOF, THEN UH, YOU'RE SUBJECT TO LOSE THAT VEHICLE.
TALKS ABOUT ALLOW PASSENGERS AND COUNT THE VEHICLES.
UH, THOSE THAT ARE IN CUSTODY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, A NON COUNTY EMPLOYEE ON COUNTY RELATED BUSINESS.
THESE ARE ALLOWED PASSENGERS TALKS ABOUT IN THE EVENT YOU'RE IN AN ACCIDENT INVOLVING A COUNTY VEHICLE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL DO AND THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LIABLE FOR TALKS ABOUT ALL COUNTY VEHICLES.
UM, AND THOSE USE, UH, THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES ON COUNTY BUSINESS AND HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REIMBURSE THEM FOR THAT, IF YOU ALLOW IT OR NOT, THAT'S STRICTLY UP TO YOU.
AND HE FINDS ANY TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS THAT YOU INCUR IN A COUNTY VEHICLE, SUCH AS RUNNING A RED LIGHT AND THEY CAPTURE YOU AND THEY SEND THE COUNTY NOTIFICATION THAT THIS VEHICLE RAN A RED LIGHT AND THEY SHOW YOU THE VIDEO THAT NORMALLY MY OFFICE GETS THE CALL, FIND OUT WHO THAT VEHICLE'S ASSIGNED TO AND WHO NORMALLY DRIVES IT.
IF IT'S A PERSONAL VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT PARTICULAR OFFICE OR IS IT SHARED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT THAT PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THAT VIOLATION.
EXCUSE ME A MINUTE, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? SURE.
WELL, ON THIS NUMBER EIGHT ABOUT, UM, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO USE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES ON COUNTY BUSINESS, WHICH HAPPENS SOMETIMES IN THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT AND WE CHECK THAT OUT AND WE'RE TOLD THAT THE COUNTY INSURANCE WOULD NOT COVER US.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THIS, IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, IF I'M DELIVERING MORE ELECTION BALLOTS TO ONE PLACE AND SOMEBODY ELSE'S MACHINE BREAKS DOWN AND PHILIP'S GOTTA TAKE A NEW MACHINE OUT TO ANOTHER VOTING PLACE, HE'S GOTTA USE HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE.
AND WE WERE TOLD IT WASN'T COVERED BY OUR INSURANCE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE.
SO I JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
IF YOU'RE READING, WRITING ANCE POLICY, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE PERSONAL VEHICLES COVERED ON OR HAVE A VEHICLE.
FOR A SECOND, SAID, WHEN YOU'RE AN ACCIDENT, UH, IF YOU, IF IT'S CHIEF FOR PERSONAL REASON, THE COUNTY EMPLOYED WILL BE FULLY HO FOR ALL DAMAGE.
WHO ENFORCES THAT? THAT WOULD BE OUR RISK MANAGEMENT OFFICE.
YOU HEAR THAT LAURA? SO YOU, YOU CAN MAKE THEM, HOW CAN YOU MAKE THEM PAY FOR IF THEY HAVE TO ACCIDENT, KILL SOMEBODY AND PAY THAT MILLION LAWSUIT? I DO NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON SURE.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS UH, ALSO GONNA ASK ABOUT THIS.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED WHILE AGO, UH, YOUR COMMISSIONER, ONE OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS, UH, SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALRIGHT TO IF THEY WERE ON THEIR WAY HOME TO, TO UH, STOP AND GET, GET THEIR LAUNDRY OR WHATEVER.
WELL IF, UH, SAY IF A UH, DEPUTY CONSTABLE STOPS AND GETS A CUP OF COFFEE AND SOMEBODY RUNS INTO THEIR VEHICLE OR SAY THEY BACK OUT A PARKING LOT, SOMEBODY COMES IN THERE AND THEY HAVE AN ACCIDENT THAT LIABLE FOR THAT? NO.
FOR THAT ACCIDENT AT THAT TIME, NO.
THE COUNTY COVERS ALL OF THAT.
WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF ACCIDENTS IN OUR COUNTY.
WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT BACK INTO SUPPORT CALLS DOWN IN OUR ALLY PORT CONSTANTLY.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT RUN INTO DUMPSTERS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT TAKE OUT MAILBOX.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT RUN OVER THINGS, OBJECTS IN THE ROADWAY OR CROSSING OVER A MEETING AND TEAR OUT THE HOE UNDERSIDE OF A VEHICLE BECAUSE THERE'S SIGNPOST THAT'S
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BEEN SHEARED ON.YOU KNOW, LOTS OF THINGS HAPPEN AND IT ALL GOES THROUGH OUR RISK.
PICTURES ARE TAKEN, THE REVIEW IS DONE BY OUR RISK MANAGEMENT BOARD AND THEY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO FIX THAT VEHICLE NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE DAMAGE IS.
WE JUST HAD ONE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT IN DALLAS AND THE OFFICER ACTUALLY FELL ASLEEP BEHIND THE WHEEL AND VEERED OFF THE ROADWAY THROUGH THE MEDIAN OVER TO THE SERVICE ROAD AND DID A LOT OF STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THAT VAN.
IT'S ABOUT $18,000 WORTH OF DAMAGE.
BUT WITH OUR DISCOUNT WITH THE DESIGNATED, UH, PLACE THAT WE ACTUALLY GET THEM REPAIRED AT READ AUTO COLLISION, UH, OUR COST DROPPED DOWN TO ABOUT 13 FIVE.
AND OUR RISK MANAGEMENT WILL, WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE GOING TO REPAIR THAT VEHICLE BASED ON THE MILEAGE AND, AND THE YEAR AND MODEL.
OR ARE THEY GOING TO GO WITH THE A DA COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY DOES, THEY'RE KIND OF AN INTERMEDIATE COMPANY BETWEEN US AND THE REPAIR SHOP.
AND THEY SAID IT WAS TOTAL BASED ON THE NUMBER OF MILEAGE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
BUT WITH OUR DISCOUNT, WHICH IS 25% OFF TOTAL COST, IT DROPS IT DOWN TO ABOUT 13 FIVE AND THEY'RE GOING TO REPAIR ME.
SO ARE Y'ALL SELF-INSURED OR WE'RE THAT'S A DIFFERENCE.
WE GO THROUGH TAX FOR ALL OF INSURANCE.
YOU SAY YOU HAD RISK MANAGEMENT FOR YES, WE DID.
WHO SERVES ON THAT? WE, IT'S KIND OF A GROUP.
WE HAVE, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL OUTTA THE ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE.
WE NORMALLY HAVE SOMEONE OUT OF HR, OUR BUDGET OFFICE DIRECTOR, SHE'S ON THAT BOARD.
PAUL WOOD, WHICH OF COURSE IS THE RISK MANAGEMENT OFFICER.
AND NORMALLY THEY'LL HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS SIT ON THE BOARD.
IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD GROUP AND SOMETIMES IT CHANGES.
I ACTUALLY WENT TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS JUST TO WITNESS IT AND, UH, I WOULD NOT WANNA SERVE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THROUGH 11, UH, NUMBER 12 TALKS ABOUT POOL CARS AND OUT OF TOWN TRIPS.
WE HAVE FOUR DESIGNATED VEHICLES THAT WE PURCHASED IN 2010 THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR OUT OF TOWN TRAVEL.
THE COUNTY HAS BECOME VERY, VERY, UM, GENEROUS WITH THEIR POOL CARS AND ALLOWING PEOPLE INSTEAD OF PAYING MILEAGE, WHICH IS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MILEAGE RATE IS.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW AT THIS TIME IT'S 50 60, 56, 56 50 6 CENTS PER MILE.
UH, IF YOU DRIVE YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE.
SO AS THINGS HAVE EVOLVED, WE HAVE DESIGNATED FOUR VEHICLES IN OUR POOL THAT ARE USED.
NOTHING MORE THAN OUT OF TOWN TRAVEL AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
WE MAY HAVE FIVE OR SIX VEHICLES OUT OF MY POOL THAT GO OUT OF TOWN THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FRONT, OUR JUVENILE SERVICES THAT GO DOWN TO AUSTIN QUITE FREQUENTLY.
UH, THOSE VEHICLES ARE DESIGNATED FOR
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT SPENDING TWO 6 CENTS PER MILE ANY GAS REIMBURSEMENT? NO.
DO YOU HANDLED YOUR BILL PROBATION AND JUVENILE PROBATION VEHICLES? YES.
OUR CSCD DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY THOSE, THERE'S PROBABLY, I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW MANY.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 30 VEHICLES AND THAT'S AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TARRANT COUNTY FOR CSC VEHICLES OR JUVENILE SERVICES HAS, UM, PROBABLY 10 TO 12 UNITS THAT WE SERVICE THERE AS WELL.
OUR FACILITIES GROUP IS ANOTHER GROUP THAT WE SERVICE TO ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES, THE ENTIRE COUNTY, EVERY DEPARTMENT.
AND THERE ARE 7 74 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT WE ACTUALLY SERVICE OUT MY SHOP.
AND WE HAVE TWO INTER LOCALS, ONE WITH, UH, BROOK PD.
WE SERVICE THEIR UNDERCOVER UNITS AT MY SHOP AS WELL AS BLUE MOUNT.
WE JUST ENTERED INTO AN INTER LOCAL THERE TO HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO GO TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITH THEIR UNDERCOVER UNITS AND IT EXPOSES THEM.
SO THEY'VE ASKED THAT WE TAKE ON THEIR MAINTENANCE FOR THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY ACCEPT THE AMOUNT THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY SPEND IN, AND IT'S BASED JUST SOLELY ON PARTS.
WE DON'T MAKE ANY PROFIT AT MY GARAGE OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
NO LABOR ON NO LABOR NOW WHATSOEVER.
SO IF YOU HAD A GENERAL SERVICE CENTER, DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL SERVICE?
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THIS REASON WE'RE LOOKING, GET SOME IDEAS AND I'LL TELL YOU, WELL, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION.UM, EACH ONE OF YOUR PRECINCTS, HOW MANY VEHICLES DO YOU SERVICE AT YOUR PRECINCTS, IF YOU DON'T MIND ASKING.
YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT TRUCKS AS WELL AS VEHICLES? ANY, ANY, ANY THAT YOU HAVE? I SAY 12.
HOW MANY VEHICLES DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE? COUNTY 2 20 20.
WE HAVE MORE THAN TURNER COUNTY.
NO, TALKING ABOUT BRIDGE, I SAW IT WAS ABOUT 26.
WELL, I'M ASKING, I'M ASKING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT HERE.
WHETHER YOU, YOU CREATE A WHOLE NEW DEPARTMENT TO SERVICE YOUR VEHICLE AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR FLEET WHILE THE PRECINCTS STILL MAINTAIN THEIR LARGE EQUIPMENT AND THEIR TRUCKS THAT THEY UTILIZE OR YOU LOOK AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY, WHICH EACH PRECINCT TAKES ON A PORTION.
INSTEAD OF MAKING A WHOLE FROM THE DEPARTMENT AND HAVING A LEGAL PERSON IN CHARGE, YOUR PRECINCTS COULD TAKE ON THE MAINTENANCE OF SERVICING ALL THE VEHICLES.
IF YOU HAVE STAFF, YOU MAY HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR STAFF, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A OPTION VERSUS A GENERAL PLEA.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF OUR PRECINCT OWNERS HAVE SPACE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, I GET TWO PICKUPS IN MY SHOP, GET A PLACE TO START WITH.
BUT YOU GONNA HAVE A CENTRAL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CENTRAL SERVICE FACILITY.
YOU NEED AT LEAST A SIX BAY SHOP THERE.
WE GOT SHERIFF, HOW MANY CAN YOU GET IN Y'ALL SHOP? OH, WE CAN GET, UH, WITH THE OVERHANG THERE, WE PROBABLY GET ABOUT FOUR.
HOW MANY VEHICLES DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT? Y'ALL GOT? I DIDN'T LOOK THE LIST.
WELL, UH, CHIEF BIEBER WAS SUPPOSED TO GET US A LIST.
UH, I I COULDN'T EVEN GET THROUGH IT BECAUSE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE, WE COUNT ALL OF OUR UH, SEED VEHICLES AND ALL THAT IN THERE.
HAVE TO LOOK AT, WE, WE'VE GOT, GOT A NUMBER.
WE DO ALL OF OUR UH, LIGHT MAINTENANCE OUT THERE.
UH, WE JUST, UH, GOT THE ABILITY TO CHANGE OUR OWN TIRES.
SO WE DO, WE DO ALL OF OUR LIGHT, ALL OF THE EMERGENCY EQUIP THE LIGHT STUFF.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, WE DON'T DO MOTOR WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T TURN, TURN, GO GET THAT DONE IN A LOCAL SHOP.
WELL MY SHOP, UH, THAT WE SERVICE ABOUT FIVE 50 OUT THERE, WE HAVE FOUR FULL-TIME UH, MECHANICS.
I HAVE TWO, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, UH, TECHNICIANS THAT HANDLE ALL THE REPAIRS ON THE LIGHT BARS AND LIGHTS IN GENERAL.
THEY CAN ACTUALLY, UM, DO A COMPLETE CAR AND GROUND UP AND THEY USED TO DO ALL THE CARS BEFORE WE GOT SO WORK
SO IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO ACTUALLY OUTSOURCE THAT TO PURSUE SAFETY.
IT WAS BUILT FOR TWO, DOUBLE THAT, BUT WITH THE FOUR MECHANICS, WE'VE ACTUALLY DOWNSIZED SINCE I TOOK OVER, UH, TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MECHANICS THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE CAN DO IT WITH FOUR AND THEY'RE ON FOUR 10 HOUR DAYS.
AND SO THEY HAVE A THREE DAY WEEKEND, WHETHER IT'S A MONDAY OR A FRIDAY OFF.
DO YOU OFFER ME AT TWO? I HAVE MONDAY.
OUR FULL FULL SCALE IS TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY ON ON MONDAYS WE, WE HAVE TWO MECHANICS ON FRIDAY, WE HAVE TWO AND UM, THE MAJORITY OF OUR WORK IS TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
BUT THEY DO COME IN ON THOSE FRIDAYS AS WELL.
UH, I HAVE AN OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR, I HAVE A PARTS EXPEDITED AND THEN I HAVE TWO TECHNICIANS OVER IN THE RADIO SHOP.
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DEPARTMENTS, THEY HAVE INDIVIDUAL, THEY HAVE SHOPS ON THEIR OWN? YES THEY DO.SOME OF THEIR SHOPS ARE PRETTY NICE.
BUT UM, THEY'VE GOT ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO FOUR MECHANICS AT THEIR SHOPS TO HANDLE THEIR OFF-ROAD EQUIPMENT.
THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR WHICH IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS I, UH, THAT MANAGES THEIR TRUCKS EVEN THOUGH I BUY THEIR ONE TON AND BELOW THOSE VEHICLES ARE ASSIGNED TO THOSE PRECINCTS.
AND THAT PRECINCT MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR TAKES OVER THE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE PRECINCT SUPERVISOR ON ONE MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR FOR ALL FOUR PRECINCTS? NO SIR.
HOW MANY VEHICLES DO THEY HAVE? YOU HAVE FOR PRECINCT? OUR PRECINCTS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 60 AND PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S INCLUDED.
AND THAT'S THEIR DUMP TRUCKS, THEIR MAINTAINERS, THEIR ALL THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
TWO OF OUR PRECINCTS ARE FAIRLY LARGE IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER DAY, BUT THEY'VE GOT QUITE BIT OF EQUIPMENT.
SO OVERALL TARRANT COUNTY HAS PROBABLY AROUND 1100 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
I THINK THIS BRINGS US DOWN TO VEHICLE ALLOWANCES AND I KNOW THAT QUESTION.
UH, THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS, OUR COMMISSIONERS AND NORMALLY THEIR ASSISTANT GET VEHICLE ALLOWANCES INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY DRIVING THE COUNTY VEHICLE.
UM, ONE OF OUR, WELL TWO OF OUR COMMISSIONER'S OFFICES ACTUALLY HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THEM AND THEY'RE STAFF.
THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T DRIVE IT, BUT THEIR STAFF DO TO GO TO DIFFERENT MEETINGS OR WHATEVER FOR THE COMMISSIONER.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE PRECINCT FOUR AND PRECINCT TWO.
WHAT IS THE VEHICLE APPS? I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS BASED ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
UH, WE COULD ALWAYS LOOK THAT UP IF WE HAVE ACCESS 'CAUSE THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
SO, UH, I KNOW ONE OF OUR CONSTABLES THIS PAST YEAR ACTUALLY GOT A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE AND THAT WOULD BE CONSTABLE PRECINCT SEVEN.
HE GAVE UP HIS COUNTY VEHICLE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND PURCHASED HIS OWN VOICE PACKAGE VEHICLE AND DROVE IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND, UM, LAST YEAR BEFORE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, DURING BUDGET TIME, UH, HE REQUESTED TO HAVE A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE SINCE HE NO LONGER DROVE A COUNTY VEHICLE AND HE'S ALWAYS DOING COUNTY BUSINESS AND SO FORTH.
AND THEY GAVE HIM A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, WHICH WAS UNUSUAL DEPARTMENT HAD THE INSURANCE APPLY WHEN HE HAD HIS PERSONAL PURSUIT FEE.
SUPPOSEDLY YOU CAN BUY A POLICY THAT COVERS YOU.
I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU CAN, I THOUGHT WHEN WE HAD OVER IN PRECINCT TWO, I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ACCIDENTS OR ANYTHING IN HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE.
INSURANCE? ISN'T THAT WHAT IT WAS? SUPPOSEDLY THEY HAVE, OH, I COULD SUPPOSEDLY TELL YOU I HAVE INSURANCE.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T TELL THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT THEY DRIVE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES ON COUNTY TIME.
BUT ANYWAY, THE RISK MANAGEMENT OFFICE ACTUALLY KEEPS COPIES OF YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND EVERYTHING.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LIABILITY COVERAGE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE INTERNAL REVENUE, UH, RATE FOR MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT AND EACH YEAR IT'S DETERMINED BY THE COUNTY HOW MUCH.
UH, IF AN, IF SOMEBODY IS RECEIVING A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE THAT IS AND THEN THEY, THEN THEY GET IN THEIR OWN VEHICLE AND DRIVE TO AUSTIN TO GO TO A CONVENTION OR WHATEVER AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND TAG THE COUNTY FOR, FOR THE MILEAGE AND THEIR MEALS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
HOW, HOW'S THAT NOT DOUBLE DIP? I MEAN THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DOUBLE DIP.
WELL I'VE ALREADY, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GETTING A MILEAGE AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO CHARGING FOR MILEAGE.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND I'LL, I'LL STAND CORRECTED IF I'M INCORRECT, BUT LAST YEAR I LEARNED SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT KNOW.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT AN INDIVIDUAL THAT RECEIVES A A MILEAGE, I MEAN A, A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE SUCH AS A COMMISSIONER THAT IS ONLY FOR USE IN TARRANT COUNTY.
IF THEY TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF TARRANT COUNTY, THEY CAN COLLECT MILEAGE.
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HMM.THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S TRADE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN ANYWHERE.
'CAUSE I NEVER CHARGED A DIME ON MILEAGE FOR ANYTHING.
FOR ANYTHING OR MEALS EITHER, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN WHEN WE PAY BILLS, WE PAY MILEAGE, WE PAY FOR MEALS, WE PAY FOR THE, WE PAY FOR THAT.
AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE GOT THE ALLOWANCES NOT JUST UH, BRINGING IT UP.
TARRANT COUNTY, YOU, YOU RECEIVED A, A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE THAT'S BASED JUST YOUR TRAVEL THAT'S FOR IN COUNTY? THAT IS CORRECT.
ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT? WELL I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A POLICY LIKE THAT.
WE NEED TO ADD THAT TO OUR POLICY IN CITY.
WELL POSSESSING COUNTY THEN YOU DO GET PAID FOR TRAVELING OUTSIDE THE COUNTY
YOU KNOW, THAT AT THE VERY LEAST OUR POLICY SHOULD BE CHANGED TO COMPTON COUNTY AND ADJACENT COUNTIES.
YOU HAVE TO GET FURTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE I'VE HAD BROKEN BRIDGE EMPLOYEES THAT DRIVE TO DALLAS TO PICK UP A LITTLE ROCK.
THEY TRAVEL OUTTA THE COUNTY AND THEY WANNA GET PAID FOR THEIR LUNCH.
I DON'T APPROVE IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE DALLAS CAROLINA IS ONLY, YOU KNOW, 15 MILES FROM MY SHOP.
SO, SO I THINK THE VERY LEE ABLE CHANGE OURS TO, UH, YOU TRAVEL OUTSIDE COMAN AND ADJACENT COUNTIES, IT'S GONNA EXPAND A LITTLE BIT IF YOU DON'T GET PAID THEM UP OR DO YOU HAVE VEHICLE WISE? WELL THIS IS, THIS IS BASICALLY A, AND YOU COULD BUILD ON IT WHATEVER BECAUSE EVERY COUNTY'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN HOW YOU DO THINGS AND HOW YOU DO BUSINESS.
BUT AS A GUIDELINE, THIS IS SOMETHING TOO TO WORK FOR Y'ALL REASON.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO TO A PRO TO HAVE, I KNOW THAT I'M A PRO BUT I, I CAN GET THE ANSWERS IF WE NEED THEM.
I'VE BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE AND IT TALKS ABOUT MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT HERE.
BEFORE WE GET OFF NUMBER FIVE, YOU HAVE A DIRECT FACILITY? WE DON'T.
SO WHO, WHO IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE THIS IN OUR COUNTY COUNTY WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FACILITIES DIRECTOR AND THEY UM, MANAGE ALL THE PARKING SPACES IN THE COUNTY.
AND NORMALLY THOSE ARE PARKING GARAGES.
EVEN THOUGH OUR COUNTY PARKING IS PAID FOR BY TARRANT COUNTY TAXPAYERS TO BUILD THAT STRUCTURE.
IF YOU DRIVE A COUNTY CAR OR YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE AND YOU WANT TO PARK IN THE SPACE IN ONE OF THOSE GARAGES, YOU STILL ARE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR PARKING.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW OF US AND I'M ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES THAT I'M LOCATED IN AN OFFSITE FROM DOWNTOWN.
I COME DOWNTOWN FOR STAFF MEETINGS AND BUSINESS MEETINGS AND I HAVE A TEMPORARY TASK THAT I CAN USE TO PARK ON THE FIRST THREE LEVELS OF ONE OF THE PARKING GARAGES.
AND I'M NOT CHARGED FOR THAT 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A USUALLY AN HOUR OR TWO AND THEN I'M OUT GONE.
I DON'T OCCUPY THE SPACE EVERY DAY.
BUT OUR FACILITIES GROUP MANAGE NOT ONLY THE PARKING FACILITIES BUT ALL OF THE COUNTY BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE IN, I KNOW WE A LOT GO THROUGH THIS AND GET US KIND OF SOME TALKING POINTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT AREA? IN ALL REIMBURSEMENTS ARE DONE THROUGH OUR AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT FUEL PROCUREMENT AND TRAN COUNTY, WE HAVE ACTUAL FOUR SITES.
UH, THREE ARE AT OUR PRECINCT MAINTENANCE FACILITIES THAT ARE FUELING SCIENCE AND OF COURSE ONE AT MY SHOP.
UH, OUR FUEL IS CHEAPER OF COURSE THAN BUYING FUEL WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CARD LIKE A CARD OR A RIGHT EXPRESS CARD.
UM, BUT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, HAVE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL CARDS SO THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE THEM OUT THEIR, THEIR SERVICE AREA IN ORDER TO GO TO A PRECINCT OR CENTRAL GARAGE LOCATION TO OBTAIN FUEL.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE SOME OF OUR CONSTABLES THAT ARE NOT NEARBY A FUELING UH, SITE FOR THE COUNTY AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE DIFFERENT CARS LIKE FUELING AND THERE'S A COST DIFFERENCE IN IN WHAT YOU PAY.
AND WE AVERAGE ABOUT $2 AND 50 CENTS MORE PER TANK POOL IN USING
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A FUELING CAR.IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE COUNTY FUEL CONTRACT.
EVERYTHING THAT WE PURCHASE IS ON THE FIELD.
WHETHER IT CONTRACT LIKE THAT.
HOW OFTEN DO Y'ALL IT OUT? ONCE.
I BELIEVE IT'S ONCE A YEAR AND THERE ARE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO GOES THROUGH OUR PURCHASING.
SO A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS AND COUNTIES ACTUALLY FILED WITH ONE OR MORE OF OUR BID.
IT'S A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AND I'M SURE YOUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 343 ENTITIES THAT PIG BACK OFF.
WHEN YOU BUY COLLECTIVELY YOU'RE BUYING POWER.
SOME OF OUR SMALLER ENTITIES AROUND TARRANT COUNTY UH, DON'T HAVE UH, PURCHASING DEPARTMENTS OR PURCHASING AGENTS AND THEY DEPEND A LOT ON BIDS THAT COME THROUGH TARRANT COUNTY, WHETHER IT BE OUR VEHICLE BID OR EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT BID.
UH, I WAS AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT WITH PURCHASING UH, UM, 2002.
THE FIRST YEAR WE ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT BID AND IT WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL UP TODAY.
AND UH, THAT'LL BE REID I BELIEVE THIS NEXT YEAR.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON PAGE SEVEN AS FAR AS FUEL CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? I THINK OURS, WE WORKING PRETTY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, DRIVING 20 MILES, THAT IS A BENEFIT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THE MAINTENANCE ON THE CAR, THE AMOUNT TO TRAVEL THE OFFICER'S TIME OR COUNTY EMPLOYEES TIME, IT REALLY OFFSETS THE HIGHER COST FOR THAT.
I'M SURE THAT TARRANT COUNTY, UH, HAS BOTH TANK BULK FUEL TIMES THAT ARE CONSIDERABLY YOUNGER THAN THE TANKS THAT ARE IN PLACE IN COTTON COUNTY.
HAVE YOU NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE IN THE INJECTOR, UH, WEAR AND TEAR BY NOT USING THE, UH, GLOVES, TANKS? OR DO YOU YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH? WE HAVEN'T HAD NO TROUBLE.
AND DO YOU HAVE APPROXIMATE AGE ON HOW OLD YOUR FUEL TANKS ARE? MINE AT MY SITE ARE PROBABLY 25 YEARS OLD, MAYBE 30.
OUR PRECINCT, THEY'RE UNDERGROUND.
PRECINCT FOUR IS UNDERGROUND PRECINCT THREE IS UNDERGROUND.
JUST GOT NEW TANKS IN THERE ABOVE GROUND, LOT LESS MAINTEN.
AND WE'RE AT THE RED AND DISABLED VEHICLES.
UM, NORMALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT AT THE COUNTY, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTACTING THE RISK MANAGEMENT OFFICE.
AND MY OFFICE, OUR RISK MANAGEMENT OFFICER, PAUL WOOD, WILL DIRECT THAT INDIVIDUAL TO MY SHOP.
FOR ME TO LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE, I HAVE TO TAKE PICTURES AND WRITE A LITTLE SYNOPSIS BASED ON WHAT I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THE CAR OR WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED OR REPAIRED.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN COUNTY VEHICLES ARE INVOLVED IN ACCIDENTS, WE CALL OUT OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CRIME SCENE AND THEY COME OUT AND TAKE PROFESSIONAL PICTURES AND THEY DO A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB.
A LOT BETTER THAN MY LITTLE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE TOOLS TO DO THE JOB AND THEY GO OUT AND TAKE THE PICTURES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND ALL THE REPORTS ARE, ARE SENT TO OUR RISK MANAGEMENT OFFICER, UH, FOR THEIR REVIEW IN REPAIRS AND THINGS.
AND WE DON'T GET ANY REPAIRS DONE UNTIL THEY TELL US THEY WANT THIS FIXED OR OR WHATEVER.
UH, IF IT'S A SIMPLE ACCIDENT AND IT'S A MIRROR THAT'S BEEN BROKEN OFF OR SOMETHING, I'LL SEND PAUL THAT INFORMATION THAT IT CAN BE REPAIRED IN HOUSE AT NO COST.
IF WE CAN PULL IT OFF OF ANOTHER CAR THAT'S DISABLED OR WHATEVER, THAT'S GOING TO AUCTION.
AND WE SAVE A LOT OF MONEY THAT WAY.
TALKS ABOUT, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT FAULT.
UH, PAUL WOOD DOES HAVE A DEFENSIVE DRIVING CLASS THAT HE PUTS ON AND THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN ACCIDENTS
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ARE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD.I'M NOT SURE HOW HOW BENEFICIAL IT'S FOR SOME OF THEM, BUT IN MOST CASES IT'S A GOOD THING BE REQUIRED.
WELL IT DEPENDS ON HOW BUSY THEY MIGHT BE AND WHAT THAT'S SAYING.
AND THEN WE GET TO ACQUISITION AND DISPOSAL COUNTY VEHICLES AND LIKE I SAID, I DO BUDGET FOR ALL
I SEND WRITTEN REQUESTS OUT ASKING IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN YOUR FLEET THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE A DETAILED SPECIFICATION FOR THAT VEHICLE.
I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE IN DEPTH ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE WHEN I ORDER IT, IT'S GONNA COME JUST LIKE I ORDER IT.
SO I DEPEND ON OUR PRECINCTS TO ACTUALLY GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION.
AND IF THEY MISS SOMETHING, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE.
'CAUSE ONE THING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO.
AND IT HAPPENED TO ME THE VERY FIRST YEAR I BECAME THE FIRST FLEET MANAGER, UM, A PRECINCT GAVE ME THEIR SPECIFICATIONS FOR THEIR TRUCKS AND I ORDERED IT AND OUR VENDOR GAVE ME A BONUS AND UPGRADED THEM AT NO COST AND WE GOT CARPET AND IT WAS NOT GOOD
SO, UH, I HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME WITH EACH ONE OF THE PRECINCTS TO WORK WITH IN DOING SO.
UH, BUT VEHICLES ARE TURNED INTO MY SHOP FOR DISPOSAL.
SOMETIMES DEPARTMENTS GIVE UP VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.
YOU DON'T FIND THAT VERY OFTEN.
UH, BUT WE DO MAKE READY FOR AUCTION AND WITH PURCHASING, PURCHASING AS THE ASSET COORDINATORS, THEY TAKE THE LEAVE AS FAR AS THE OPTIONS GO.
BUT THOSE VEHICLES COME TO MY SHOP TO MAKE RENT FOR OPTION.
UH, WE TRY TO GET 'EM A CURRENT INSPECTION.
WE REMOVE THE LICENSE PLATES AND THE REGISTRATION ON THEM, WHICH HELPS PROMOTE PEOPLE TO GET 'EM RE-REGISTERED CENTER.
WE HAVE AN ON SIGN OPTION, UH, AT THE WENDY RYAN ROPING ARENA THERE IN SAGINAW.
AND WE HAVE DISCOVERED THAT UM, ONSITE OPTIONS ARE REALLY GOOD.
WE MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ONLINE OPTIONS, BUT ONLINE OPTIONS ARE, ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS PROFIT ON YOUR, YOUR RESOURCES AS FAR AS INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK AT THE COUNTY.
OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT PROVIDES ALL THE PEOPLE FOR THE OPTION.
UM, THEY DRIVE THE CARS THROUGH THE AUCTION
WE WATCH OVER OUR VEHICLES BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES ONSITE OPTIONS, UM, POSE A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE STICKY FINGERS AND THEY TAKE THINGS OFF TO MAKE THAT CAR DISABLED BECAUSE THEN IT WILL SELL FOR LESS MONEY.
SO WITH THE PURCHASING STAFF AND MY STAFF NOW, UH, WE MANAGE THE OPTIONS PRETTY WELL AND WE HAVE LESS, UH, PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, MOVING AMONGST THE INDIVIDUALS AND SO FORTH.
'CAUSE RENEE BATES ACTUALLY HANDLES OUR AUCTIONS AND THEY WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN THE DAY BEFORE THE AUCTION OCCURS AND THEY CAN VIEW ALL THE VEHICLES OR EQUIPMENT, WHATEVER IS ON SITE.
SO, AND THEN OF COURSE OUR AUCTIONS ON SATURDAYS AND THEY START AT NINE O'CLOCK AND USUALLY END UP AROUND 1 1 30 OR SO.
AND UH, THIS LAST AUCTION, OUR GENERAL FUND WAS THE HAPPY RECIPIENT OF A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR OUR GENERAL FUND VEHICLES.
AND THOSE ARE YOUR ONE TIME ENVELOPE THAT COME OUT THAT AS FAR AS YOUR LARGE EQUIPMENT OR YOUR OFF ROAD EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS, THAT MONEY, WHEN THOSE ITEMS SELL, GO BACK INTO YOUR CAPITAL ACCOUNT, WHICH ROLLS OVER.
SO ANYTHING THAT GENERAL FUND FUNDS FUNDS, IT GOES BACK INTO
BUT ANYTHING THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, UH, THEIR OFFER OF EQUIPMENT, ANYTHING THAT THEIR ONE TIME TRUCKS AND BELOW GOES BACK INTO THEIR PRECINCT AND IT ROLLS OVER EACH YEAR AND BUILDS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AUCTION PROCESS OR ANYTHING? YOU GOT SOMETHING OVER THERE ABOUT THE ADMISSION TEST UP TO THE BOARD IS PART OF THE CLEAN, CLEAN PLEA PROGRAM? YES, I'M A PART OF THAT.
UH, AND GROUP, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY WHAT THAT REQUIRES OF THE COUNTY TO BE? WELL, OUR COUNTY HAS DETERMINED, OUR
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COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS DETERMINED THAT, THAT WE WILL HAVE A VEHICLE INSPECTED BEFORE WE SELL IT AT AUCTION TO MEET CLEAN AIR POLICY.UH, CALLED OF COURSE, I'M PART OF A TEAM FROM TARRANT COUNTY THAT'S INVOLVED IN A CLEAN FLEET POLICY AND THAT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE HERE IN THE NEAR NEAR FUTURE.
AND WE'RE MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN 10 YEARS AGO WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT.
BUT TARRANT COUNTY, IF WE REQUIRE GETTING A VEHICLE INSPECTED PRIOR TO SALE, IF IT DOES NOT, IF YOU CANNOT OBTAIN AN
AND THAT'S HOW IT'LL BE TITLED IS SCRAP.
UH, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, THE WAY IT'S KIND OF EXPLAINED, IF YOU CAN'T GET AN INSPECTION, SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE OMISSIONS PORTION OF THE VEHICLE, SOMETHING TO DO WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTERS OR THE MUFFLER OR SOMETHING IS CAUSING IT NOT TO BE ABLE TO BE INSPECTED.
SO THE COUNTY PREFERS TO GET 'EM INSPECTED AND THAT'S WHAT MY SHOPS IN GET THEM INSPECTED AND UM, THEY GO TO AUCTION, THEY DRIVE THROUGH OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE SOLD THAT WAY.
BUT WE ADVISE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE IF THEN IT'S A SALVAGE VEHICLE BASICALLY.
SO YOU REQUIRED TO GET THE MISSION TEST EVERY HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A STICKING POINT FOR ME, UH, IN OUR RECENT MEETINGS WITH CO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE ADDRESSED THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE IN OUR EXTRADITION UNIT OUT OF OUR WARRANT'S OFFICE AND THEY TRAVEL MANY, MANY MILES.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A VEHICLE REACH 124,000 MILES IN JANUARY AND IT WAS DUE FOR AN INSPECTION.
WELL, VIA THE CO REPORT THAT THE FLEET POLICY, YOU'RE REQUIRED EVERY 25,000 AFTER A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO GET THAT VEHICLE INSPECTED.
WELL THE VERY NEXT MONTH IN FEBRUARY, THAT VEHICLE REACHED 125,000.
I JUST GOT IT INSPECTED WHY IN THE, OR HOW IN THE WORLD I EXPLAINED TO A TAXPAYER.
WELL THE REASON I GOT THIS INSPECTED IS BECAUSE IT MADE 125,000 MILES, BUT YOU JUST GOT IT INSPECTED AND SPENT $39 TO GET IT INSPECTED.
BUT WHEN PLEA REQUIRES ME OVER 25,000, I CANNOT, I CANNOT STAND BEHIND THAT AND SAY THAT THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE AND IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THAT MANY VEHICLES.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING IN THE POLICY.
AND IN FACT, THEIR NEXT MEETING IS THE 30TH OF THIS MONTH.
UM, TARRANT COUNTY HAS ASKED TO BE REMOVED.
WHO IS RECORDING FOR Y'ALL? I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE ME.
EVERY YEAR I HAVE TO, UH, SEND IN THE ANNUAL REPORTS THAT CAR, UH, REPORTING ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE ALSO DO, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY I HAVE TO SEND IN REPORTS AND THOSE REPORTS KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.
IT'S KIND OF A CHECKS AND BALANCE.
AND SO, UH, WE BOUGHT VEHICLES ON GRANTS, WE BOUGHT
AND IT'S, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA GET BETTER.
YOU VOLUNTEERED THIS, YOU TO HELP OUR PERSON DO THAT REPORT.
THIS TALK TAPE, I HAVE BEEN DOING THOSE REPORTS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, SO, UM, I TAKE GOOD NOTES.
IT TALKS ABOUT VEHICLE SAFETY AND HOW DRIVERS ARE SUPPOSED TO ASK ALL THE GOOD THINGS AND WHAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
ANY QUESTIONS ON PAGE 10? PHONE POLICY.
OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS COME OUT WITH A POLICY OF NO SMOKING IN THEIR VEHICLES.
AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE COUNTY HAS NOT DONE THAT COUNTY YET.
I PRETTY CONFIDENT IT'LL HAPPEN.
AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT USE OF PERSONAL VEHICLES.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ANYTHING? YES, SIR.
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WAS BACK IN, UH, SECTION FIVE ABOUT THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCES ON THAT.THE IRS UM, AMOUNT IS SET FOR BUDGET PURPOSES.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, WE ACTUALLY USED THE CALENDAR YEAR FOR THAT, UH, TACTICAL MILEAGE 56 CENTS.
AND HERE IT'S, UM, MENTIONED THAT IT'S, SO DO HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
AND IT'S ALSO MENTIONED IN SECTION SIX AS WELL.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, FIRST THINK THIS IS A CASE, YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK EVERY BIT TO IT.
SOME OF IT IS VERY, YOU KNOW, APPLICABLE TO OUR SIZE COUNTY I THINK AS WELL.
BUT AS FAR AS THE OVERALL POLICY ITSELF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME, SOME TRAINING OF PEOPLE BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE BRAND NEW AND THERE'LL BE SOME DECISIONS THAT THE COURT WILL HAVE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE TREAT, I MEAN THE OVERALL POLICY, IT IT IS LIKE AN UMBRELLA POLICY.
IT DOES NOT ADDRESS EVERYTHING.
UH, WHEN I ACTUALLY CAME INTO THIS POSITION AND THE COUNTY POLICY WAS WRITTEN BY OUR ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT I REQUESTED TO ADD TO IT.
AND AT THAT TIME OUR, OUR CONSTABLE'S OFFICES WERE DOING SOME, UH, THEY HAD A PROGRAM WITH A LIVESTOCK ASRAY PROGRAM AND THEN THEY HAD THE TRASH DUMPING PROGRAM.
AND THESE WERE SOME GRANTS THAT THEY HAD OBTAINED AND SO FORTH.
AND I HAD SUBMITTED MY REQUEST TO, TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
AND IT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE THE, IT'S NOT, BUT ALL THINGS DO CHANGE ANYTIME.
AND THIS IS REVIEWED BY OUR ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AND THINGS ARE ADDED AND SOME THINGS ARE TAKEN AWAY PERIODICALLY.
AND I THINK THE LAST TIME THIS WAS ACTUALLY UPDATED, IT'S GOT 2005.
IT TALKS, IT TELLS EACH TIME AN AMENDMENT IS DONE TO WHATEVER PORTION OF THE POLICY, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU CAN KEEP UP HERE, SIR.
PLAGIARIZE HIS BOOK GOT PERMISSION.
JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU GENERAL, THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEING ON THE FRONT OF THE, THE POLICY, BUT IT LOOKS GOOD PUT ON, YEAH, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY GRAPHICS PACKAGE.
I DESIGNED FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT RIGHT AFTER DE ANDERSON CAME ON BOARD.
HE WANTED TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE WAY OUR VEHICLES LOOK, THEIR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT VEHICLES.
AND HE KIND OF GAVE ME THE LEADWAY TO SHOW ME WHAT YOU CAN DO.
SO IS THERE A MILEAGE RE UH, REPLACEMENT? UH, A REPLACEMENT POLICY? NOT IN THIS FOOT.
THERE, NOT OUR, OUR GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS SEVEN YEARS, 125,000 MAINTENANCE OR SERVICE.
FOR WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE? FOR ANY TYPE OF VEHICLE.
IT'S BASED ON THE SERVICE THAT IT PROVIDES LIKE A SHERIFF'S MAINTEN, SHERIFF'S PATROL VEHICLE, A SHERIFF'S PATROL'S VEHICLE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER VEHICLE AS FAR AS OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THEY RUN THREE SHIFTS OUT OF PATROL.
I NORMALLY PROJECT ABOUT 18 MONTHS BASED ON THEIR, THEIR MILEAGE PER MONTH.
AND OUR SHERIFF USED TO DRIVE ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO 8,000 MILES A MONTH.
THEY'RE DOWN TO AROUND 3,500 TO 4,000.
SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT YOUR, AS YOUR REPLACEMENTS, I HAVE GONE ALMOST A FOUR YEAR REPLACEMENT PLAN.
WE'RE ON A THREE YEAR ROTATION.
AND SO VEHICLES THAT I TARGET THIS YEAR, FOR INSTANCE, ARE ANYWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 67 TO 80,000 MILES BY THE TIME BUDGET IS APPROVED.
OCTOBER ONE COMES, I START ORDERING NEW CARS.
CARS ARE DELIVERED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND APRIL.
GET THOSE CARS, GET 'EM OUTFITTED AND INTO SERVICE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST AN 18 MONTH WINDOW.
SO YOU PROJECT YOUR MILEAGE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE AT IN 18 MONTHS AND OUR CARS ARE ROTATING OUT AT AROUND 153 TO 160 MILES.
IT'S BASED ON THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE.
AND YOU, YOU LEARN, AND FOR EXAMPLE, OUR FACILITIES, VEHICLES TRAVEL LESS MILES THAN ANY OTHER VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY PRECINCT.
THEY, THEY ARE STOP AND GO A LOT OF TIME DOWNTOWN IN TRAFFIC.
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AND THEY'RE USED DIFFERENTLY.THOSE VEHICLES ARE ROTATING OUT USUALLY AROUND AN EIGHT TO A NINE YEAR MARKER, UH, JUST BASED ON THE MAINTENANCE.
AND YOU LOOK AT THE COST THAT THEY'RE COSTING US.
AND IF YOU START SEEING AN ELEVATED COST IN A, IN A VEHICLE LIKE THAT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA MORE LIKELY LOOK AT THAT, YOU PLUG IT OUT THE LONG TERM, I'LL, I'LL TARGET IT TO REPLACE AND REQUEST IT.
AND THE BUDGET OFFICE GOES THROUGH, WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS, UH, AFTER WE PRESENT OUR BUDGET TO HER AND SHE'LL MAKE HER RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN ALL OF THAT GOES TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
IF FOR SOME REASON THAT I DISAGREE WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN I CAN STAND UP OVER THE COURT MEMBERS AND SAY, THIS IS THE REASON I BELIEVE THIS VEHICLE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND I HOPE THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY.
AND, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL AGREE WITH, OR THEY WERE SO I ASKED FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
I, I DON'T, I SPEND A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, DETERMINING WHICH VEHICLES I ASKED TO REPLACE.
WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND OF COURSE EVERYBODY WANTS A VEHICLE, BUT I HAVE TO BASE IT OFF OF MAINTENANCE COSTS AND HOW MANY TIMES IT'S BEEN IN MY SHOP.
YOU MAY HAVE A VEHICLE THAT ONLY COSTS $150 FOR THAT YEAR, BUT IF IT'S BEEN IN MY SHOP 30 TIMES, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
DO YOU FIND THAT SOME PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT AND ABUSE IT? YES.
THEY MAKE IT A HABIT TO COME IN AND VISIT WITH ME.
OH, IT'S THIS, OH, IT'S A, I LOOK AT RECORDS AND I UNDERSTAND ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY I'M WHERE I'M TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT BASED ON HOW MANY TIMES THAT PERSON COMES IN AND TALK VEHICLE BEING OR CONDITION.
I CAN SEE THAT THROUGH THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS AND I HAVE ALL THE TOOLS TO DO THAT WITH.
BUT JUST KNOWING WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT DOES AND THEIR FUNCTIONS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, OUR FACILITIES GROUP IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THEY DRIVE VERY LITTLE MILES, BUT IT'S HARD MILES AND A LOT OF STOP AND GO.
UH, OUR PUBLIC HEALTH IS ANOTHER GROUP THAT'S, UH, VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE BECAUSE THEY DON'T PUT VERY LITTLE MILES.
THEY MAY ONLY DRIVE 2000 MILES A YEAR ON THE DEAL, BUT WEAR AND TEAR OVER THAT TIMEFRAME BECAUSE IT SITS SO LONG.
YOU HAVE TO TREAT THOSE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AS WELL.
WE'VE GOT SOME THIS YEAR THAT I'VE REQUESTED TO REPLACE, WHICH PROBABLY WON'T MAKE THE CUT, BUT THERE'S AROUND 48, 40 9,000.
BUT THEY'RE GETTING TO AN AGE WHERE I CANNOT REPLACE THE PART.
WE HAD ONE LAST YEAR THAT WAS PART OF THE REPLACEMENTS THAT I REQUESTED AND THE DEPARTMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO GET THOSE VEHICLES UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T DRIVE 'EM VERY MUCH AND THEY DIDN'T GIVE 'EM UP.
AND WE HAD ONE OF THOSE IN OUR SHOP AND I COULD NOT GET A MANIFOLD FOR IT.
CAN'T PUT IT INTO SERVICE, CAN'T FIX IT, CAN'T FIND THE PARTS.
AND WE HAVE, UH, BIDS WITH, WITH SALARY YARDS SO WE CAN BUY PARTS IF WE NEED TO, THAT ARE NON SAFETY RELATED, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO, BUT COULD NOT REPLACE IT.
I'M ASKING FOR THE OTHER ONE THAT'S JUST AS OLD AS THE ONE WAS LAST YEAR BECAUSE ALL THE RUBBER AROUND THE WINDOWS AND THINGS ARE JUST THE SAME GRAY, IT'S A PROBLEM.
SO IN YOUR OPINION, IT'S BETTER SAY LIKE PATROL VEHICLES TO HAVE, HAVE THEM IN ROTATION.
YOU BE, YEAH, JUST CONTINUALLY RUN 'EM UNTIL YOU GET THE MILEAGE RATHER THAN TRY TO PROLONG THE YEARS.
A PATROL UNIT IS GONNA LAST YOU AS WELL AS YOU'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, HOURS, WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT 4,000 MILES A MONTH PER PATROL UNIT AND WE'RE ON A THREE YEAR ROTATION.
WE'RE ALMOST TO A FOUR YEAR ROTATION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S RUNNING THREE SHIELDS, THREE SHIFTS OF PEOPLE.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S MADE OUT OF PLASTIC NOW.
EVERYTHING STARTS, THEY ASK ME IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST INTRODUCING OUR, UH, THE FORD INTERCEPTOR, WHICH IS TAKING IN PLACE AT THE CROWN TOY.
'CAUSE 2011 WAS THE LAST YEAR MODEL OF THE CROWN.
WE STILL HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF CROWN IN THE WEEK, BUT OUR PATROL DIVISION, WE'RE MOVING THEM TO TAHOES.
WHAT ARE YOU FINDING AS FAR AS FUEL CONSUMPTION?
WE'RE GETTING ANYWHERE FROM 14 TO 16 MAYBE, DEPENDING ON HOW HEAVY IT'S, TAHOES ARE GETTING ABOUT 17, SOMETIMES 18.
BUT MOST OF THEM ARE USED IN THE INCORPORATED AREAS OF TARRANT COUNTY.
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YOU KNOW, LONG STRETCHES OF ROAD.WHAT ARE YOU FINDING ON MAINTENANCE DIFFERENCE? IS THERE ANY IN COMPARISON TO THE CROWN VICTORIA? THE TAHOES ARE ACTUALLY CHEAPER.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES WE DID ON THE CROWN VICTORIAS.
WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH CROWN FIX AS FAR AS THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS GOING OUT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE AN EXPENSIVE REPAIR.
BUT THE TAHOES OVER THE LAST, WE'VE HAD 'EM SINCE 2008 IN, IN THE PATROL DIVISION AND WE STARTED OUT WITH JUST SUPERVISORS GETTING THOSE.
UM, WE'VE ONLY HAD SEEN ONE ENGINE FAIL AND THAT WAS, IT WAS AT 187,000 MILES ON IT.
BUT WE STARTED OUT WITH SUPERVISORS AND IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE MERGED IN SOME MORE TAHOES FOR THEIR FTO UNITS, WHICH ARE FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS.
AND THEY HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS IN THAT VEHICLE AND ONE'S BEING TRAINED BY SOMEONE ELSE.
AND UM, THIS, THIS LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE STARTED ROLLING REGULAR TAHOES INTO CHARLOTTE PROGRAM, JUST THE PAROLE OFFICERS.
AND SO THIS WILL BE OUR SECOND YEAR FOR DOING THAT.
DO Y'ALL, UM, YOUR PATROL UNITS, DO Y'ALL PUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MILES AND THEN MOVE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE OR SIR, DID THEY COME OFF THE PATROL THEIR NO SIR.
UM, BACK NOW, I'M GONNA COME BACK A LITTLE WAYS.
UM, WHEN I STARTED HANDLING THE FLEET FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ACTUALLY WHAT WE USED TO DO IS WE USED TO TAKE PATROL UNITS OUT AND ROLL 'EM INTO OUR WARRANTS DIVISION, WHICH WAS THE CRAZIEST THING I'VE EVER DONE IN MY, I WE WERE KEEPING CARS TILL THEY WERE AT 286,000 MILES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY REPLACING THEM.
WE WERE LOOKING AT, IT WAS UP TO THE DEPARTMENT TO ACTUALLY REQUEST VEHICLES TO BE REPLACED.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE KIND OF AT A DISADVANTAGE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FLEET STRUCTURE IN, IN YOUR COUNTY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE USE.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, GETTING TWO 80 VERSUS SELLING A HUNDRED FORTY, FIFTY FIFTY OR HUNDRED 60, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT, UH, BENEFICIAL TO THE DEPARTMENT.
WAS IT BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY? WELL, IT SURE DIDN'T.
THE MONEY AND I CAME ALONG IN 99 AS THE FIRST FLEET MANAGER.
IN MY FIRST YEAR I SPENT OVER $2 MILLION BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY VEHICLES THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
AND AND THAT'S WHAT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE DONE IS TURN AROUND AND FLEET BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING VEHICLES OUT OF OUR PATROL DIVISION AND ROLLING THEM IN SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY'RE USED THREE SHIFTS A DAY, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE GOING ANYWHERE ELSE BUT AUCTION, WELL MILES ARE MILES.
I MEAN WHETHER THEY'RE PUT IT 140,000 IN 18 MONTHS OR 36 MONTHS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.
PATROL IS ONE OF THE DIVISIONS.
BUT I MEAN, IF A CAR WILL GO 280,000, WHY WOULD YOU SELL THEM AT 20? 'CAUSE THEY'RE RESALE BAG.
WE'RE GETTING AROUND $6,800 PER TAHOE THAT COMES OUT THE TRUCK.
YOU START FLIPPING THAT ROLLING STOCK, YOU'RE GETTING MORE MONEY TOWARD YOUR FLEET VERSUS HAVING SELLING THE SCRAP AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WELL, A NEW VEHICLE'S WHAT, 40, 45,000? IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FULLY EQUIPPED, WELL JUST THE BASE, THE BASE VEHICLE, THE BASE VEHICLE, YEAH.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU EQUIP IT, IT'S 30, YOU'RE GONNA JUMP UP TO AROUND 45, 50,000 DEPENDING ON YOUR EQUIPMENT.
SO WHEN YOU CAN GET $6,800 OR SO FOR IN RETURN, THAT OFFSETS YOUR COST SEVERAL YEARS.
BUT DO YOU, UH, I ASSUME TARRANT COUNTY HAS ALL THEIR ROADS PAVED.
THERE'S NO COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE ROCK OR DIRT, ROCK OR DIRT.
ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE TRUE BENEFITS FOR HAVING THE TAHOES IN THE TRUCK IS THEY CAN GET OFF ROAD AND THEY AREN'T GONNA BOTTOM OUT AS EASILY.
UM, THEY'RE JUST MORE DURABLE.
THEY'RE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE.
AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN'T ALWAYS THINK ABOUT COMFORT.
BUT FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN THOSE CARS FOR EIGHT HOURS A DAY OR LONGER, THE TAHOE IS THE BEST.
SUV IN MY OPINION, IS THE BEST WELL SUIT FOR THE MAJORITY OF EVERY ASPECT OF, FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
THAT'S PRETTY WELL WHAT WE PURCHASED, I THINK, SORRY, EVEN ON THE TAHOE, THAT PRETTY WELL WHAT WE BOUGHT THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FACING HERE, UH, THIS YEAR
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IS WE HAVE, WE ARE ACTUALLY BUYING THE FORD INTERCEPTOR, WHICH IS ON THE TAURUS PLATFORM.IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THE CROWN VICTORIA AND OF COURSE THE SUVS AND WE HAVE SOME LARGER INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK IN THE COUNTY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT DO IT.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE ALL GONNA BE FACED WITH.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN THE EPA STEPS IN AND SAYS YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE, YOU KNOW, YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT AND YOU'VE GOTTA GET X AMOUNT OF MILES PER VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, THE MANUFACTURERS ARE HAVING TO DO THAT AND THEY'RE HELPING US WITH THAT RESPECT.
BUT WE ARE GONNA BE FACED WITH THAT.
AND UM, THIS YEAR D ANDERSON HAS ASKED THAT OUR WARRANT DIVISION START RECEIVING TOS.
SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MY REQUEST MAKE IT THROUGH COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
YEAH, SO BECAUSE OUR INDIVIDUAL, WE'VE GOT SOME THAT ARE AROUND THREE TO 400 POUNDS THAT ARE SERVING WARRANTS SO FORTH.
AND I'VE ONLY BOUGHT TWO VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE PLACE SINCE NINE NINE FOR THE SIZE OF AN INDIVIDUAL.
AND THAT PERSON WAS SEVEN FOOT TWO.
HE STILL WORKS AT PRECINCT TWO, CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.
HIS NAME IS GAR ENS AND HE'S A VERY, VERY TALL MAN.
SO THEREFORE I PUT HIM IN A PICKUP TRUCK.
PICKUP TRUCKS ARE PRETTY INEXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE VERSATILE IN WHAT, WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE AND SEE, SEE WHAT YOU NEED WHERE, WHAT KIND OF SERVICE ARE YOU PROVIDING AND BUY THE BEST SUITED VEHICLE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
AND THAT'S JUST GETTING IN AND LEARNING.
AND THE TAHOE IS PRETTY MUCH THE BEST ALL AROUND VEHICLE, ALL AROUND FOR OUR PATROL DIVISION FOR SURE.
OUR, OUR CONSTABLE'S OFFICES ARE WORKING WITH THE FORD INTERCEPTORS.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DODGES IN OUR FLEET.
UH, IT'S JUST NOT THE BEST SUITED VEHICLE WHERE FORD DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING EXPLORER OR THEY DO THE FORD INTERCEPTOR AND THE FORD EXPLORER INTERCEPTOR.
AND UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE GONE THROUGH THOSE.
I'M NOT PERSONALLY BOUGHT ANY PER SE FOR PATROL TYPE SERVICES.
UM, OUR SHERIFF AND HIS EXECUTIVE CHIEF DEPUTY DRIVER, UH, THEY SEEM TO BE HAPPY WITH THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT OUT ON PATROL DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ARE THEY AN SUV THEN? I DON'T GUESS FAMILIAR WITH THAT VEHICLE.
THEY'RE, IT'S A FORD EXPLORER POLICE PACKAGE.
PRICE WISE, THEY'RE PRETTY WELL, 24 TO 25 FOR THE EXPLORER IS, HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY DIFFERENCE MAINTENANCE COST OR NOT REALLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE USED IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE.
UH, OUR CONSTABLES ARE INTERESTED IN, IN UTILIZING EXPLORERS AND FOR THE PAST PROBABLY TWO OR THREE YEARS, OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR HAS NOT AGREED WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE COST DIFFERENCE.
BUT NOW THE COST DIFFERENCE IS BECOMING A LITTLE MORE STABLE AND EVERYTHING'S ALMOST ABOUT THE SAME.
SO I I FIGURED WE'LL BE SEEING SOME CHANGES IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
WELL OUR CONSTABLES TRAVEL THE SAME ROAD THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT DOES, SO YOU KNOW.
SO PATROL VEHICLE ACROSS, I'M GONNA LIE TO YOU, BUT I SO YOU, IF YOU'RE ROTATE EVERY THREE YEARS, YOU BUY 10, 12 VEHICLES A YEAR.
HOW MANY PATROL VEHICLE DID YOU SAY? I'M GONNA SAY 32 TO 34.
AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT YOU SAID HAD 153 VEHICLE TOTAL? YES.
I'M SO NOW THE CITY OF FORT WORTH HAS APPROXIMATELY 5,000 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
HOW MUCH OF, I'D SAY OVER HALF TARRANT COUNTY IS IN AND MUNICIPALITY.
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IS THAT FAIR? YOU KNOW, ONE COUNTY AREAS IN COUNTY STILL.YOU KNOW, WE, ROCKWALL COUNTY IS VASTLY, YOU KNOW, SHRINKING AS FAR AS COUNTY ROADS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE ANN, AND WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THAT HERE.
BUT I MEAN WE'RE A LARGE, MUCH LARGER COUNTY THAN, THAN ROCK.
YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU.
BUT YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
YEAH, THIS, THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF THE WAY WE STARTED IN, IN NINE NINE, UM, THE SHERIFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS KIND OF GOT A LITTLE SIDEWAYS AND I WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO ONE OF THE CHIEF DEPUTIES THERE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND HE HAD FLEET VEHICLES AND I TOOK THEM ON 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO.
AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW MY CAREER STARTED IN THE FLEET, WHICH I WAS GOING LAW ENFORCEMENT, I HAD MY PEACE OFFICER'S LICENSE.
AND UH, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET MARTY AND RAVEN'S WIFE AND JAMIE JOHNSON.
AND OF COURSE THEY WERE CURIOUS SAYS, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THEM? SO IN MY TALKS WITH THEM, I SAID, I DUNNO WHO'S DOING IT FOR YOU, BUT I DUNNO HOW MUCH I'M DOING FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD A GENERAL FLEET, YOU KNOW, SERVICES SO WE COULD GET SOME RELIEF.
AND UM, THEY DELETED MY JOB IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND CREATED THE FIRST FLEET MANAGER'S POSITION IN WHAT WAS THE SIZE OF THE CALENDAR? YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I DO NOT KNOW.
SO I WENT OUT TO OUR MAIN MAINTENANCE FACILITY WHERE I RESIDE CURRENTLY AND STARTED WITH A LEGAL TABLET AND A PENCIL.
I ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND PUT MY HANDS ON EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THIS ACCOUNT, THAT ACCOUNT OWNED, AND STARTED CREATING A, A LARGE EXCEL SPREADSHEET TO MANAGE.
AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T DO THE PRECINCTS, TRUCKS, YOU DON'T DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GET YOU ALL ROOFED IN, MANAGED FOR.
AND SO, UM, I STARTED THE MAIN MAINTENANCE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AGO.
IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO DIVERSIFY INTO THAT AS WELL AS PURCHASING ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND THE LARGE TRUCKS FOR OUR FACILITIES GROUP, OUR CONFINED GROUP, OUR VANS OUTFITTING THEM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT WITH THE STAFF THAT I HAVE.
BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL AND IT'S VERY REWARDING BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE, UM, WHERE THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE THAT DIFFERENCE BEFORE.
AND DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID Y'ALL, YOU TAKE CARE OF ABOUT 500 P VEHICLES? THAT IS CORRECT.
WITH FOUR MECHANICS, TWO SUPERVISORS AND PARTS PEOPLE, PARTS.
MYSELF AS THE DIRECTOR, I HAVE AN OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR.
I HAVE TWO TECHNICIANS THAT DO THE REPAIRS ON THE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH.
FOUR MECHANICS AND ONE SHOP SUPERVISOR MUST BE BUSY.
WE'RE WE STAY THAT WAY AND WE'RE ON THE 14 HOUR DAYS.
THE MECHANICS ARE, I THINK WE'RE GET BREACH THE SIZE.
WE STRONGLY CONSIDERING THE CENTRALIZED MAINTEN FACILITY.
AND I THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED OFF ON A LITTLE BIT OVER THE YEARS ABOUT DOING A COUNTY ROAD UNIT SYSTEM AND IT THAT, THAT I JUST DON'T, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT AT THAT.
WELL WE, WE MAINTAIN ALL THE VEHICLES AND UH, WHAT WE CHARGE OUT ARE JUST PARTS, NO LABOR COSTS.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN BUDGET? YES, BUT EVERY DEPARTMENT BUDGETS FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE IN THEIR FLEET.
AND LIKE IN OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, SEVEN, EIGHT, MAYBE NINE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN EACH ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
THEY BUDGET VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.
OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR REALLY PREFERS IT THAT WAY.
I WOULD LOVE IT IF THEY WOULD JUST ALLOW US TO, TO BUDGET FOR ALL THE PAYMENTS, BUT SHE LIKES TO SEE THE COST, THE OVERALL COST, INCLUDING VEHICLE MAINTENANCE FOR THAT, THAT PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT.
THEY BUDGET FOR FUEL AND YOU CAN GO BACK FROM YEARS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.
YOU SEE WHAT YOUR COSTS ARE, SEE WHAT YOU'RE USING AND SO FORTH.
BUT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE WITH A MONTHLY REPORT, UH, THAT BREAKS IT DOWN PER VEHICLE, PER DEPARTMENT AND HOW MUCH IT'S CHARGED.
SO INDIRECTLY THEY DO A JOURNAL ENTRY FROM THEIR, THEIR ACCOUNT TO GO BACK INTO WHAT
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WE CALL A, UH, A REVOLVING ACCOUNT.WE HAVE $65,000 IN AN ACCOUNT, OUR INVENTORY ACCOUNT, AND WE BUY ALL OF OUR PARTS OUT OF THAT, WHETHER IT'S FOR STOCK OR FOR REPAIR, ANY PARTICULAR VEHICLE.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MONTH, WE PROVIDE THE AUDITORS WITH THAT REPORT AND SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE SHERIFF AND YOUR WARRANT DIVISION COSTS TWO $80 FOR THAT MONTH FOR TO MAINTAIN YOUR VEHICLES.
THEY TAKE THAT OUT OF YOUR ACCOUNT AND PUT BACK IN OUR INVENTORY ACCOUNT OR FOR YOUR PATROL DIVISION THOUSAND AND SOMETHING COMES BACK INTO THE INVENTORY ACCOUNT.
AND THAT'S BASED ON JUST OIL CHANGES, YOUR OIL FILTER.
WELL WE'VE BEEN IN HERE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
GENTLEMEN, Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY HELPFUL.
Y'ALL DO AUDIO TIRES? YES SIR.
EXCEPT FOR LARGE TIRES, WE CAN GO UP TO A CERTAIN SIZE AND THEN WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THAT WE HAVE A TIRE SERVICE THAT ACTUALLY WILL OUT AND BALANCE THE LARGER TIRES FOR TWO AND A HALF TON BOX TRUCKS OR WHATEVER.
AND WHERE DO Y'ALL PURCHASE THOSE ON? EVERYTHING'S ON YOU.
UH, JUDGE KATHY HAD A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT, UH, SHE WANTED ME TO VOICE, UH, FOR HER.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR 'EM NOW.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, SECTION FOUR, ASSIGNMENT OF VEHICLES UNDER NUMBER FIVE PERSONAL USE.
UH, PARAGRAPH C UM, STATES THAT ANY COUNTY DEPARTMENT WHOSE EMPLOYEES KNOWINGLY VIOLATE THE DIVISION OF THIS SECTION, SONO COUNTY VEHICLE, UM, IN WHICH THE VIOLATION, UH, OCCURRED TO THE OFFICIAL DEPARTMENT HEAD.
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, UM, HOWEVER, PRIOR TO THE DEPARTMENT SURRENDERING THE VEHICLE, THE OFFICIAL DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MAY AUTHORIZE THE DEPARTMENT TO MAINTAIN A TEMPORARY, SO ON SO FORTH.
SHE WANTED ME TO, UH, VOICE THE CONCERN THAT HER, IN HER OPINION, THE YOU SHOULD STOP WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THE COMMISSIONER SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GET INVOLVED.
THAT'S WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD WAS FOR.
UNLESS OF COURSE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD ONE THAT VIOLATED THE POLICY.
UH, THE OTHER ONE WAS UNDER SECTION A REC AND DISABLED VEHICLE.
THE FIRST, UH, LET'S SEE, THE FIRST SENTENCE SAYS WHENEVER A COUNTY VEHICLE IS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT, THE DRIVER OF THE COUNTY VEHICLE SHALL IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY HIS SUPERVISOR AND OR DEPARTMENT HEAD.
UM, SHE WAS THINKING THE FIRST SENTENCE SHOULD READ THAT THE UH, PERSON SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD LATER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN MBA WHERE THERE IS AN INJURY, FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO, DIAL 9 1 1.
I'M NOT SURE DEPARTMENT HEAD JUST THINKING ABOUT YEAH.
IN CERTAIN, IN CERTAIN THAT IN THERE.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT PARAGRAPH, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE NOTIFIED.
UH, SHE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAS NECESSARY UNLESS OF COURSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.
BECAUSE WHOEVER, WHATEVER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IS GONNA BE OUT THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKING PICTURES AND TAKING TO THE COURT.
SO THAT'D BE KIND OF REDUNDANT WASTE OF THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT TIME.
WELL, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD DO NOW IS TAKE THIS POLICY FROM TARRANT COUNTY AND CAN I STILL, LIKE, I WOULD STILL LIKE PART OF THE COMMITTEE TO COME BACK TO THE COURT WITH A RECOMMENDED COUNTY, UH, POLICY THAT FALLS ALONG WITH WHAT YOU'VE CREATED OVER THE YEARS AND WE CAN CUSTOMIZE IT TO OUR POLICY.
UH, AND I MEAN THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE ME AS YOU SAID.
WHY REINVENT THE, AND WE PROBABLY NEED CALL MAY OVER I I'M ACTUALLY HONORED THAT.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER POLICIES FOR SOME OTHER COUNTIES, UH, THAT UH, BUT REALLY I MAY YOU WRONG.
I MEAN REALLY THIS THING MAKES PRETTY GOOD.
UH, MAYBE SOME THINGS WE NEED TO TWEAK JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, COUPLE ITEMS THERE THAT DANNY HAD MENTIONED MAYBE, OR MAYBE NOT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
I THINK, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER COUNTY, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S GOOD THOUGHT HERE.
WELL JUDGE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO DO IS TAKE
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THIS HOME, STUDY IT, UH, GET ALL YOUR CONCERNS ON WHATEVER PAGE IT'S, UH, GIVE TO VICKY AND I, SO WE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL SIT DOWN AGAIN IN ANOTHER MEETING AND TALK ABOUT ALL THIS AND SEE HOW WE WANT OUR TRANSPORTATION POLICY TO LOOK VEHICLE POLICY.AND UH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, OF COURSE WE'RE WORKING ON OUR BUDGET JUST LIKE I'M COUNTY.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR VEHICLE MILEAGE IS, I THINK PAM, I MEAN AT LEAST WE ALL HAVE THAT OUT THERE OR SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOT IT ON MAN OR SOMETHING.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOME VEHICLES THAT HAVE PRETTY HIGH MILEAGE ON IT.
BUT YOU DIDN'T CHANGE THEM OUT ALL IN ONE YEAR.
TOOK TIME BECAUSE WE DID, WE WERE TALKING PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTY OR DISABLED, UH, FOR INSTANCE, PURCHASING AGENTS SHALL DETERMINE IF A VEHICLE SHALL BE REMOVED FROM SERVICE AND SOLD AS SCRAP, THEN I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY THAT, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHO IS YOUR ADVISEMENT? YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S OVERSEEING IT SO YOU DON'T, IT'S KIND OF MORE HOW THAT WORKS.
THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE THE ASSET COORDINATORS.
AND THEY DICTATE HOW PROPERTY IS DISPOSED OF.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FLEET, I DETERMINE OR ASK FOR REPLACEMENT WHEN I TAKE A VEHICLE OUT OF SERVICE.
I KNOW BY PURCHASING SO THAT THEY KNOW IT'S GOING OUT.
IT, IT'S NOT UP TO THEM TO DETERMINE IF IT'S SAFE.
WHAT THE TIMEFRAME, UH, WITHIN THE, TODAY IS THE 17TH, UH, WITHIN A WEEK'S TIME, UH, BY NEXT, UH, TUESDAY.
YOU HAVE EVERYTHING TO WEEKEND AGAIN AND ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN GET THE COMMITTEE BACK TOGETHER AND UH, MAYBE JUST MEET HERE, KIND OF KIND OF HAMMER THIS THING OUT.
WELL, IF I CAN BE OF ANY HELP, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING SOME GUIDANCE BETTER TO GO THAT'S, THERE ARE PAINS AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT OVERNIGHT.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SUCH A VALUABLE RESOURCE.
WELL SOMETIMES I DO, I SOMETIMES WONDER HOW I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP ME FIX ANYTHING.
SO I HAVE TO KIND OF WORK ON THAT A LITTLE HARDER THAN SOME, BUT IT ALL COMES OUT TO, I HAVE A COUNTY TO WORK FOR I THAT I WORK FOR AND VARIOUS SUPPORT.
SO, UM, I CAN'T TAKE ALL THE PREP, BUT WE, WE'VE GOT A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT I WORKING WITH WELL AND SO I'M GRATEFUL.
AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOU TO COME OVER.
WE WANNA TAKE THE POLITICS OUT THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND I THINK THIS, THIS, LIKE I SAID, IS A UMBRELLA POLICY, RIGHT? AND IT DOESN'T ADDRESS EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA RUN ACROSS, BUT IT IS A POLICY THAT YOU CAN GO TO AND HELP GUIDE YOU AS YOU NEED TO, AS YOUR COUNTY GROWS AND THINGS WILL CHANGE.
AND THAT'S, BUT IT'S A GOOD START.
WHAT I'LL DO IS, OKAY, DOES THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICLE POLICY.
DOES THIS ALL IN, DOES THIS INCLUDE ESTABLISHING A CENTRAL GARAGE, STAFFING A CENTER GARAGE AND ALL THAT STUFF? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THERE.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, YOU AIN'T GOT THE FUNDING TO DO THAT.
ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS
NO, I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT SHE, I MEAN THAT MAY COME LATER ON.
SHE DIDN'T EITHER WHEN THEY STARTED THERE.
BUT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CO HER VEHICLE POLICY, A REPLACEMENT POLICY THAT WE CAN PERHAPS GO OVER YEARS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE COMBINATION VEHICLE POLICY AND REPLACEMENT POLICY.
I, I THINK IT SHOULD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE KIND INTO SOMETHING.
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GONNA BE RUN BY THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR WILL IT BE RUN BY BY COMMISSIONER? WE GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO THAT OR? WELL, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, UH, AGENCY THAT WOULD, UH, AND JACK'S NOT HERE.I CAN SAY THAT, BUT I THINK THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE FOR IT TO BE.
AND AS WE GROW AND YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT WE COME, WELL THIS WILL HELP US WITH ALL VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IT'LL START HELPING US TURN OVER VEHICLES THERE IN OUR, ALSO IN OUR ROAD BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE AND GET US LOOKING AT OUR VEHICLES A LOT CLOSER.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO LEAVE HERE THINKING WE'RE GONNA BUILD A, YOU GOT FOUR CAR GARAGE IF Y'ALL, IF THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T MIND I TO DO THIS EXHIBITION RATHER THAN PAPER BECAUSE IT'S REALLY OUR LUNCH TRYING TO PRINT ALL THESE THINGS OFF.
SO IS THAT OKAY IF I DO THAT WHENEVER THEY MAKE THE UPGRADES BECAUSE THEY DID ELECTRONICALLY, THAT'D BE FINE.