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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
I APPRECIATE THE RAIN THAT YOU BROUGHT WITH YOU TODAY.
AND, UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR, UH, UH, REGULAR OPENING CEREMONY.
AGAIN, IF YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE COURT OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, THE SHERIFF HAS THE SIGN IN SHEETS THERE.
AND AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH WITH THE, UH, OPENING CEREMONIES, WE'LL BE GLAD TO HEAR AND INVITE THE WISHES TO SPEAK AT THE COURT THIS MORNING.
IF YOU'LL JOIN ME, THE UNDERSTANDING, MR. MANEL WILL GIVE OUR INDICATION.
MOST GRACIOUS FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US.
THANK YOU FOR THE RE THAT YOU'VE SENT FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND OUR DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY.
PROTECT ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, LORD AND OUR EMPLOYEES.
ASK THAT YOU GIVE YOUR GUIDANCE TO THE FOLKS IN WASHINGTON THAT ARE LEADING OUR COUNTRY, UH, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE STRESSFUL TIME.
PROTECT OUR SOLDIERS, LORD, THAT YOU BRING THEM HOME SAFELY, UH, IN AMEN.
AMEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR FLAG BY ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS STATE UNDER GOD ONE AND IN EVERYBODY, RIGHT? WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE THIS MORNING, UH, THAT, UH, WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT, AND I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY, UH, KAREN, CAN YOU BE OUR TIMEKEEPER FOR US TODAY? ARGUE, UH, SINCE THE COUNTY CLERK IS NOT HERE, WE, UH, DO LIMIT THE REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR SESSION, AND, UH, SO WE PROCEED.
YOU, UH, ARE ASKED THAT YOU HONOR THAT.
FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON, UH, JODY KUNZ AT, UH, COUNTY ROAD 3 52.
UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD NOW AND, UH, ADDRESS THE COURT, AND I MAY HAVE MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL JUST STEP RIGHT THERE IN THE TABLE.
CONCERNING THE TRAILERS THAT ARE BEING PLACED IN ELMO NOW FOR THE RENTAL COMMUNITY, I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED FOR THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE.
MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE IN 2010.
IT WAS A FORECLOSURE THAT HAD BEEN, MAN, WE'VE PUT MORE THAN $20,000 INTO THE HOUSE.
IT STILL NEEDS ANOTHER 10 TO $15,000 IN REPAIRS.
WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ANOTHER 10 YEARS, MAYBE WE CAN SELL IT THEN, WHEN IT LOOKS REALLY MAGNIFICENT, IF THAT, IF THERE'S A TRAILER COMMUNITY RIGHT NEXT TO IT, NO ONE IS GOING WANT TO BUY MY HOUSE FOR WHAT IT'S APP PRICED FOR AND FACT TO THE TRAILERS THAT ARE GONNA DEVALUE MY HOUSE.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, AND I'M HOPING YOU WON'T ALLOW THROUGH.
WE ARE NOT ABLE TO RESPOND TO YOU AT THIS TIME, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO PASS THE PICTURES OUT, WE CAN DO THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US ALREADY.
NEXT WOULD BE, UH, GEORGE AND ANN TAYLOR, ALSO ON THE COUNTY ROAD OF 3 52.
WE JUST PURCHASED LAND LAST YEAR, AND IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A NEW HOME, AND WE AGREE, WE FEEL THE TRAILERS ACROSS THE ROAD WILL BE, WILL DEVALUE OUR PROPERTY AND HOPING WILL NOT.
I'VE HAD RENTAL PROPERTY BEFORE AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE LOT PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF THE STUFF.
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ALL TIME'S.LOUD NOISE IT BACK OUT THE STREET, BURN OFF VERY LOUD ALL THE TIME, AND AGAIN, FEEL LIKE IT WOULD DEPRECIATE PROPERTY LIKE WE CONSIDER NOT PASSING.
IS EVERYBODY ABLE TO HEAR AT THE BACK? OKAY.
I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT, UH, I STILL LIVE ON THE COUNTY ROAD 3 46 AND, UH, I'M HERE, UH, CONCERNING ITEM NINE TO BE TAKEN UP.
AND THE, UH, AND THE SOURCE DOCUMENT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE, UH, THE, UH, AGENDA FOR THE, UH, THE MEETING, UH, SEVERAL LANDOWNERS FROM COUNTY ROAD 3 46 ARE HERE TODAY.
SO, SO WHEN YOU DISCUSS IT, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO, TO EXPAND THE DISCUSSION, I I KNOW EACH ONE OF HAS, UH, VARIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO, WHO'S, WHO'S INVOLVED, WHO'S GOING TO DO THE WORK, UH, THE MATERIALS, WHETHER THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM OR NOT.
AND IF YOU COULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS, THEN IT WOULD MAKE, WOULD MAKE THE DISCUSSION GO A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT SINCE IT IS DENIED ON THE AGENDA, I ALLOW.
SECOND THING IS, IS THIS SOURCE DOCUMENT, I, I'M SORRY THAT MATTHEW'S NOT HERE.
HE AND I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING WITH THIS THING FOR THREE YEARS.
THERE'S AN ARROGANCE OF CONDESCENSION IN THIS LETTER THAT THAT REALLY DOES OFFEND THE LANDOWNERS OVER THERE.
AND I THINK IF YOU READ IT THAT WAY, THAT TRENDING MATERIALS IS, UH, WALKING AROUND GRADING FENCES.
AND, AND APPARENTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO EXACTLY WHAT THIS LETTER SAYS, THEY'RE RUNNING THE SHOW.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.
WE TRUST THAT, UH, YOU HAVE OUR BEST INTENTIONS IN MIND AND WE, WE'D ASK THAT YOU WOULD, UH, CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
NEXT WOULD BE JAMES TH FROM COUNTY ROAD, ALSO COUNTY ROAD 3, 4, 6.
MY CONCERN, I'M ACTUALLY ON THE COUNTY ROAD 3 46 ALSO NEXT DOOR, MIKE.
UH, MY CONCERN, UH, IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE ALSO, UH, TRINITY HAS, UH, HAS MADE A PROPOSAL THAT THEY, UH, OF, OF OFFERING $6,600, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE FENCING MATERIAL TO REPLACE WHAT THEY CARE OF.
I HAVE A SMALL SHEEP RANCH, UH, ON THAT ROAD.
MY FENCING IS NOT BARBED WIRE.
I HAVE BOTH DOPE AND SHEEP WIRE AND BARBED WIRE.
IT WOULD TAKE, UH, ALMOST FOUR ROWS OF GOAT AND SHEEP WIRE TO REPLACE MY FENCE, UH, AND OF COURSE OF $229 FOR A 330 FOOT ROW BASED ON PRACTICE SUPPLY PRICE THIS MORNING.
SO THAT'S 919, JUST SHEET WIRE.
AND THEN I HAVE THE FIVE STRANDS OF BARB WIRE TO REINFORCE THAT, TO KEEP MY SHEET IN.
THAT WOULD BE 70 FOOT APART, THAT'S 3 89, AND THEN THE IS 77 20 CENTS.
SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST ME OUT MY POCKET 55.
THEY'RE OFFERING ME HUNDRED $35.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY MAY NOT REMOVE THE FENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT ONLY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND IF THAT CASE THEN, THEN I HAVE NO COMPLAINT.
YOU KNOW, I'M PLEASED WITH MY FENCE.
UH, MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT THERE, UH, THERE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE LABOR.
I'M GOING FOR POST SURGERY HUGE MENT ON BOTH FEET, AND IT'S GONNA BE SIX MONTHS BEFORE I'M ABLE TO DO ANYTHING AND I WOULD'VE TO HIRE PEOPLE TO COME OUT THERE AND DO MY WORK, AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM FAIR, YOU KNOW, GET AWAY WITH THAT.
AND SO I'M ASKING YOU TO ENTERTAIN AND, UH, AND MAKE THIS RIGHT.
NEXT WOULD BE, UH, JOHN HELTON, UH, TO DISCUSS COUNTY ROAD 3 52.
WE'VE GOT, OKAY, DO YOU WANT TO, JOHN, YOU WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS, UH, YOUR ISSUE HERE AND AS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL OH, ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE
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MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.UH, TERRY BARBER FROM COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
TIME TO SPEAK FOR A FEW SECONDS HERE.
UH, MAIN THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS WHAT THE OTHER GENTLEMAN ON 3 4 6 HAS ADDRESSED.
UH, I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 11 5 0 1 COUNTY ROAD 3, 4 6.
AND, UH, FROM, UH, WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE MAJORITY OF THE FENCE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS ON MY PROPERTY.
UM, I HAD NO INTENTIONS OF REPLACING OR REPAIRING MY FENCE ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UH, BUT APPARENTLY TRINITY AND CAROLS FEELS THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE OR IT'S REASONABLE FOR ME TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO HAVE THAT DONE BELABORING WAY.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY UNREASONABLE FOR THEM TO EXPECT ME TO HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING DONE.
AND, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL WOULD AGREE WITH ME, UH, THAT THAT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM.
IF ANYTHING, THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO US AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER'S COURT DOES, UH, AS A CITIZEN OUT THERE AND PAYING THE TAXES FOR OUR PROPERTY TO PURCHASE.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I MOVED OUT THERE 10 YEARS AGO WAS TO GET AWAY FROM STUFF LIKE THIS.
UH, ALL THE TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE GOING UP AND DOWN OUR ROAD AND SUCH THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE.
UM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS, UH, A, UH, EMAIL THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WAS, UH, ADDRESSED, UH, MAINLY TO COMMISSIONER SHANE FROM ATTORNEY MATERIALS ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION WITH WHAT THEY ARE OFFERING TO DO, UH, BUT STILL EXPECTING US LANDOWNERS TO PAY FOR THE LABOR TO GET DONE.
I JUST THINK THAT'S TOTALLY UNREASONABLE.
WE SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED TO DO THAT, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, Y'ALL AGREE WITH US ON THAT.
LAST PERSON IS DENNY OS, UH, ALSO ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46 16.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MY OPINION ON THE SITUATION IN THAT I'VE GOT PROPERTY PROBABLY, UH, HALF A BLOCK FROM THERE THAT I HAD PLANNED ON, UM, PUTTING SOME NICE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN.
AND THAT SITUATION IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR ME TO, UH, HAVE ANY KIND OF VALUE ON THOSE HOUSES.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF MONEY, UH, TRYING TO BETTER THAT PLACE OUT.
A LOT OF DRUGS, A LOT OF CRIME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CLEAN THE PLACE UP.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S WANTING TO HEAD THE OTHER DIRECTION AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT WITH, YOU KNOW.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.
AND I DID HAVE ONE ITEM TO ANNOUNCE THAT THERE WILL BE A, UH, AN ANNOUNCEMENT LAST NEXT MONDAY, JUNE THE 30TH, OUT AT THE TRAINING CENTER, UH, WHICH WILL SOON BE OUR REGIONAL 9 1 1 CENTER, UH, 2:00 PM 3:00 PM THIS WILL BE COMING FROM THE, UH, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS AND IT'S WHERE THEY'LL ANNOUNCE WHERE PEOPLE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WILL NOW BE ABLE TO TEXT A NINE ONE ONE CALL RATHER, UH, THAN JUST PHONE ONE IN.
SO, UH, THIS HAS BEEN AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE SYSTEM.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COUNTIES, UH, HAVE DISABILITY NOW AND THROUGH WORK OF COG, UH, THIS WILL BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO OUR COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.
SO I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
THERE ARE TIMES WHENEVER, UH, IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TALK ON THE PHONE, AND SO THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO, UH, HAVE A ABILITY TO TEXT A, UH, PHONE NUMBER, UH, OR A TEXT.
WHAT IS THAT DATE AND TIME AGAIN, JUDGE? JUNE TO THE 30TH.
NEXT MONDAY FROM TWO TO 3:00 PM OUT AT THE ARMORY AND I'LL TRY TO TRY TO SPEAK LOUDER.
UH, NEXT ITEM IT WOULD BE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A VARIANCE TO THE KAUFMAN COUNTY SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS.
AND ARTICLE NINE, OH, I'M SORRY, I DID FORGET THE, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT GETTING 3 52.
UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA INCLUDES A ACCEPTANCE ANCE FOR APRIL 14TH, 28TH, 29TH, ALSO MAY THE EIGHTH AND MAY THE 28TH, UH, 14 OF THE, UH, COORDINATE.
UH, ALSO ADAM B IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING BONDS OF STEPHEN HOOPS AND GUADALUPE RIZZ AS RESERVED DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT TWO.
AND ITEM C IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF RIDGE AND OAK GROVE FOR ROAD REPAIR, UH, ROAD REPAIRS IN PRECINCT ONE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE AGENDA ITEMS? ONLY THING I'VE GOT CONCERN ABOUT IS WE TWO, UH, CONSTABLES FOR
WHAT ARE WE GONNA TRY?
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THEY CAN STILL, STILL USE.THEY, I BELIEVE THEY DO, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE, THEY WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE REGULAR CARDS AS WELL, OR RIDE ALONG, UH, RIDE ALONG WITH THE CONSTABLE TOO.
OTHER QUESTION I ALLOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE OF MAY.
COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THAT MADE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSA ACCEPTANCE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE NOW IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING A VARIANCE TO THE CAMAN COUNTY SUBDIVISION PLANNING REQUIREMENTS AND ARTICLE NINE OF THE SUBDIVISION FOR, UH, REGULATIONS REGARDING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MANUFACTURED HOME RENTAL COMMUNITIES, AS REQUESTED BY MR. JOHN HELTON.
FIRST PERSON I'D LIKE TO CALL UP IS DANNY NEWTON, UH, WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, DANNY NEWTON WILL COME UP.
I KNOW KATHY MORRIS, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, IS, UH, NOT HERE TODAY AND I BELIEVE, UH, SHE GAVE YOU SOME INFORMATION AND ALSO A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS INFORMATION ON THIS.
ALRIGHT, UM, THIS IS JUST A, UH, A BRIEF HISTORY OF WHAT KATHY KNOWS ABOUT THE SITUATION ON COUNTY ROAD 3 52.
UM, ABOUT MIDYEAR 2012, UH, MR. JOHN HELTON HAD CALLED ASKING ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS. HE STATED THAT HE HAD 10 ACRES OF PROPERTY ON COUNTY ROAD 3 52 AND WANTED TO CONSIDER HIS OPTIONS FOR PUTTING HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY.
KATHY TOLD HIM AT THAT TIME THAT OUR COURT ORDER STATES THAT HE MUST HAVE AT LEAST ONE USABLE ACRE OF LAND PER HOUSE, PER SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UM, I ALSO TOLD HIM TO CONTACT THE COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE FOR ANY GUIDANCE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IN OCTOBER OF 2012, HE HAD OBTAINED A 9 1 1 ADDRESS FOR A MOBILE HOME ON THAT, ON THAT 10 ACRES ON 3 52 AND ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2012, HE APPLIED FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM
THE SYSTEM WAS INSTALLED IN APPROVED 11 5 20 12, AND AT THAT TIME, IT WAS HER UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HOUSE WAS GOING TO BE OCCUPIED BY HIS DAUGHTER AND THEN REQUESTED TO HAVE ANOTHER MOBILE HOME LATER TO THE SYSTEM AS HE NEEDED TO HAVE A PLACE FOR HIS GRANDDAUGHTER.
UM, WE DID ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
UH, THEY DID ADD A HOUSE TO THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT WAS ALREADY THERE, UM, AS IT WAS FAMILY, AND HE RETAINED THE OWNERSHIP OF BOTH HOUSE AND PROPERTY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO LEGALLY.
UH, APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AGO, UH, MR. HELMAN REQUESTED ADDITIONAL 9 1 1 ADDRESSES PAY FOR
AT THAT TIME, COMMISSIONER SHANE CALLED KATHY AND REQUESTED THAT WE NOT ISSUE ANY FURTHER ADDRESSES OR SEPTIC PERMITS UNTIL MR. HILTON COMPLY WITH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
SO KATHY DID ADVISE HIS INSTALLER THAT WE COULD NOT ACCEPT ANY PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
UM, AS OF THIS DATE, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS SHOW THAT MR. HILTON STILL RETAINS OWNERSHIP OF THE FULL 10 ACRES ON COUNTY ROAD 3 52.
SO IF HE'S SELLING LOTS OR DESIRE FROM IN-HOUSE, IT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED THAT HE WILL NEED TO COMPLY WITH OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS BY EITHER PLANNING LOTS.
HE IS SELLING OR COMPLYING WITH ARTICLE NINE OF THESE REGULATIONS IN DEALING WITH MOBILE HOME RENTAL COMMUNITIES.
AND BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN THE ISSUE, THEN, IF, IF HE HAS SOLD SOME OF THE LOTS, THEN HE WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF RIGHT.
HE CALL SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS CORRECT.
IF ANY OF THE LOTS BEEN SOLD AND THEY'RE NOT JUST RINGING OR, YOU KNOW, GIVING TO FAMILY MEMBERS, JUST, JUST STAY THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WOULD.
MR. SHANE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? WELL, I, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ISSUE, UH, HE'S ALREADY SOLD ON TOP, BUT HE ENDED UP NEXT TO THE LIGHT SIDES.
AND THAT'S NOT ON PLA DISTRICT RECORDS, BUT I'LL DEFER THIS ALL TO JOHN LONG.
I CALL TAG, UH, ASK HIM ALL THE QUESTIONS.
REQUEST BY JOHN LONG I OTHER DAY TO CEASES ASSIST UNTIL HE, UH, MEETS OUR SUBDIVISION
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REGULATIONS.IF WE DO NOT, IF WE ALLOW THIS, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP A
I'VE GOT A CONCEPT PLAN RIGHT HERE FROM ANOTHER, UH, DEVELOPER, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING QUIT COME TO US AND DOING OUR SUBDIVISION RES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MESS.
JUST, YOU HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN
THERE'S ANOTHER GUY SITTING RIGHT THERE NEXT TO HIM.
MR. JACKS WAITING TO SEE WHAT WE DO HERE, COURT, AND, UH, THAT THAT'S GOING TURN ELMO INTO AN ISSUE.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, HE DOES LEGAL UP OR WHATEVER OR DOES LEGAL WITH MANUFACTURED HOUSING, THAT THING.
BUT, AND SO, UH, WE HAD SUB WE'VE HAD IN PLACE SINCE 2005.
WE ASKED PEOPLE TO FOLLOW HIM AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
ROCK, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT HERE.
IF JC DIDN'T HAVE RIGHT TO SAY HE COULD MOVE ON, HE COME TO COURT AND BY COMMISSIONER COURT, BEEN TO THIS DAY.
JOHN, WOULD YOU, UH, GIVE US YOUR OPINION ON THIS? AND I'LL, UH, MR. HELTON, I'LL CALL YOU UP JUST IN A MINUTE.
I WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE FORWARD.
AND THE LAW ALLOWS FOR THE, UH, FIRST PERMIT THAT WAS DONE TO A RELATIVE.
BUT IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL LAWS AND SUBDIVISION OF IT, IT, IT DOES NEED TO BE SUB I MEAN, IT'S THE, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES IT.
AND, AND YOUR COUNTY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS REQUIRE, AND THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE WOULD NOT FIT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE SELLING EVERYTHING TO POLITICAL DIVISION.
YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT HE WANTS TO, UH, MAY WANT TO, UH, SELL THE DIFFERENT LOTS AND NOT DENYING HIM THE ABILITY TO SELL IT.
IT'S SIMPLY THE ABILITY OF THE COUNTY TO CONTROL THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS, IS THAT IT'S PROVIDED BY STATE.
SO THE COMMISSIONER'S RIGHT'S, RIGHT? OKAY.
THE FIR THE FIRST ONE IS OKAY, BUT ADDITIONAL WOULD NOT BE OKAY.
WOULD NOT BE OKAY WITHOUT A PLANNING.
IF THERE'S A PLANNING, IF IT'S PROOF AND EVERYTHING'S GOOD TOGETHER.
OKAY, MR. HILTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL.
WHERE'S THE, WE SET OUT TO FIND APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES FOR OUR KIDS IN EXTENDED BANK.
WE FOUND A 10 ACRE TRACK, TWO AND A HALF ACRES OF USE A DUMP.
WE'VE BEEN TWO YEARS OUT THERE CLEANING THAT MESS UP.
UM, I GOT WITH MR. JACKSON, AS I WAS TOLD TO DO PRIOR TO THE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S FOUR DWELLINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
AN OLD MOBILE HOME, ALL THE FOOTPRINTS ARE THERE.
WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, SURE THAT USED TO BE METERS OUT THERE.
THIS AREA WAS PLANTED 1905 BY YOUR RECORDS AS A HOUSING COMMUNITY FOR THE RAILROAD COMPANY.
I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT WILL BY AFFIDAVIT STATE THAT THEY LIVED IN THOSE HOUSES ON THAT PROPERTY BACK IN THE SIXTIES.
THAT 65 YEARS, THAT LITTLE 10 ACRE, WHICH PARTED THE OVERALL RAILROAD.
I WAS GIVEN PERMISSION BY MR. JACKSON SINCE THAT IS TRUE.
67% OF THE PEOPLE OUT HERE IN THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE
21% OF THEM ARE WOOD FRAMED HOUSES.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THOSE ARE BRICK HOUSES AND SEVERAL, THOSE ARE CONDEMNED.
THEY BORDER UP, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO BY VIRTUE OF MR. JACKSON'S STATEMENT, I WENT OUT THERE AND I PUT MY TWO HOUSES IN, WAS GONNA GET THREE TOW, FOUR ACRES OF LAND.
I COULD SELL TWO ACRE IMPLEMENTS AND ONE, BECAUSE THIS WASN'T FLATTY SUBJECT.
SO I DID THAT AND KEN GOT ELECTED.
HE HAD ALREADY PASSED THE WORD OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE WAS OUT TO GET ME, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
HE HAD ALREADY, BEFORE HE WAS EVEN ELECTED, WENT TO THE WATER COMPANY AND DEMANDED THEM NOT TO SELL ME ANY METERS.
WATER DEPARTMENT DOESN'T WORK FOR KEN.
I ALREADY HAD SECURED THOSE METERS.
NOW I'VE GOT A GRAVEYARD THAT ONE IN.
I'VE GOT A WATER COMPANY ONE IN, I'VE GOT GOOSE DYNASTY.
THIS LADY OWNS ACROSS THE STREET ABOUT A HUNDRED CRITTERS OVER THERE THAT'S ALWAYS FLYING ACROSS THE STREET.
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THIS IS A ECONOMICALLY DEPRESSED AREA.WE HAVE A GREAT CHURCH, WE HAVE A GREAT WATER COMPANY.
WE HAVE A GREAT, UM, FIRE STATION OUT THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE A GRAVE, THIS DRUG AND PROSTITUTION MARINE THAT'S CALLED FROM COUNTY SHERIFF'S.
THIS IS A BLOCK AWAY FROM COMPOUND.
THEY CALLED THE COMPOUND TO HAVE TIES TO THE ADRIAN BROTHERHOOD.
SO THIS IS NOT THE HIGHLAND PARK OF
I CLEANED MY APPLICATIONS FOR MY PERMITS.
I LEGALLY WASN'T ALLOWED TO PUT THESE TRAILER HOUSES IN.
THE ONLY ONE I PUT IN RECENTLY I BOUGHT SIX, SEVEN WEEKS AGO.
AND THEY COULDN'T GET IT IN BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.
AND IT'S A DOUBLE WIDE ON TWO ACRES.
NOW THERE'S SEVERAL RESIDENTS AROUND ME THAT HAVE SINGLE WIDE TRAILER ON THEIR PROPERTY AT, WITH THEIR OWN HOME.
SOME OF 'EM ARE RENTAL, SOME OF 'EM ARE FOR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE USING ANTIQUATED SEWER SYSTEMS. THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR ONE DWELLING ONLY.
THE GOOSE LADY OVER HERE, BEFORE SHE BROUGHT THAT PROPERTY, IT WAS OWNED BY A BUNCH OF GAY MEN WHO ALSO HAD A CENTRAL BLACK TRAILER OUT THERE THAT THEY WERE READY.
NOW I'M IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT WAS.
THIS IS A HOUSING SUBDIVISION.
I DID, IN FACT, AND KEN KNEW IT, THAT I, I HAD A MEETING WITH HIM ON JANUARY 2ND.
MY INTENT WAS TO SELL A COUPLE OF LOTS AND ONE ACRES, REST THEM IN TWO ACRES.
HAVE YOU SOLD ANY OF THE LOTS? YES SIR.
I HAVE SOLD A TWO ACRE TRACT IN MR. JACKS THE ONE, BUT IN THE RV PART.
NEXT ON THE 60, I SOLD FOUR AND A HALF ACRES FROM MR. SKINNER WHO'S GOING TO BUILD A HOME OUT THERE ACROSS FROM WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR BARN HOUSE, THEIR METAL STRUCTURAL HOUSE.
NOW, I'M NOT SAYING I'M PUTTING ANYTHING OUT THERE LIKE THE
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT OUT THERE AND ALL THREE OF 'EM.
HIS COMPANY IS SUPPOSED TO BE LOCATED UP HERE AND MAYBE NO AP PASS PLAN ON EIGHT WORK FOR A SUBCONTRACTOR OF THE RAILROAD COMPANY.
THEIR BUSINESSES IS SET UP DE RAIL TRAINS.
HE'S GOT LIVE 30 MINUTES OF THE SHOP.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY, BUT ONE OF THEIR THREE YARDS.
SO THIS PROPERTY SATISFIES THAT 30 MINUTE.
THESE HOMES ARE IN GREAT SHAPE.
I PULLED OUT A 1978 MODEL TRAILER THAT MY DAUGHTER LIVED IN.
IT WAS UNDERSIZED 'CAUSE MY GRANDDAUGHTER, WHO WAS BRILLIANT IS MOVED IN WITH HER, PUT IN A TRAILER THAT 19 OR 2008, 2009 MODEL DOUBLE Y ON A SINGLE Y TWO BEDROOMS, TOO BAD SHINGLE ROOF, FINAL SIDING, METAL UNDERPINNING.
I WANT TO TAKE THAT SECOND TRAILER AND PUT ITS OWN SEWER SYSTEM IN.
I'VE GOT THE, THE CONTRACTOR HERE TODAY.
SO BOTH OF 'EM ARE STANDALONE UNITS ON ONE ACRE.
THE OTHER LITTLE DOUBLE WIDE THAT WE MOVED IN, IT'S ON A TWO ACRE FOOTPRINT.
I WAS TOLD I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO A PLAT BECAUSE I SOLD THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO SOLD ME THE PROPERTY DID NOT PLA IT WHEN THEY SOLD IT TO ME.
THEY DONATED A SECTION TO THE CHURCH, DONATED TWO AND A HALF ACRES OF THE WATER COMPANY, THESE PEOPLE, AND 107 YEARS, UM, 80 SOMETHING ACRES, NEVER PAID A DIME OF TAXES.
ACCORDING TRUE TO Y'ALL'S TAX OFFICE.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS PAYING TAXES OUT HERE, INCLUDING ME.
I'VE GOT OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS NOW INVESTED ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
OKAY? I, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THIS PROPERTY UP.
I WANT TO BUY TWO NEW SEPTIC SYSTEMS, BIG COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS.
THESE THINGS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
JUDGE, MY AGREEMENT WITH, WITH MR 10 WAS I WOULD NOT SELL ONE ACRE TRACKS.
I WOULD NOT BRING ANOTHER SINGLE WIDE TRAILER IN ON THE PROPERTY.
I WITHOUT THE LEGAL DOCUMENTATIONS HERE, THEY'RE FILED.
MR. JACKSON IS NOT ALLOWED TO PUT ANYTHING ON HIS PROPERTY, BUT A DOUBLE WIDE OR BETTER.
AND HE CANNOT SUBDIVIDE HIS PROPERTY.
MR. SPRINGER, FOUR AND A HALF ACRE TRACK.
HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO BRING ANYTHING ON HIS PROPERTY.
THEY AGREE TO IT TO COME TO SEE THE COMMISSIONER.
THERE'S A VARIANCE CLAUSE THAT'S IN YOUR DOCUMENT THAT STATES, AND THERE'S TWO SECTIONS HERE.
THE FIRST SECTION SAYS UNDER VARIANCE, ADJUSTMENTS, APPLICATION JUSTIFICATION, REGULATIONS, SUBDIVISION RULES AND REGULATIONS, PARTIAL PROPERTY, WHICH BECAUSE OF SPECIAL CONDITIONS
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OR CIRCUMSTANCES OF HARDSHIP, PARTICULARLY PARTIAL, IS NECESSARY TO PREVENT THE PROPERTY FROM BEING DERIVED OF THE RIGHTS PRIVILEGES, ENJOYMENT OF OTHER PARTIALS IN THE SAME VICINITY.EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE IS DOING.
THE SECOND ONE SAYS THIS IS RIGHT OUTTA Y'ALL'S DOCUMENTS SECTION H BY THE FIND.
IF THE OWNER RETAINED ONE PART OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE FOUR ACRE TRACT, THEN THE OTHER NEW PARTS IS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER PERSON, WHICH THEY HAVE WILL FURTHER SUBDIVIDE AND AGREE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY.
IF THEY CHOSE TO, THEY WILL COME IN, TALK TO THE COMMISSIONER OF THAT DISTRICT AT THAT TIME AND FOLLOW WHATEVER GUIDELINES HE SETS FORTH WHERE RELIEVING ME WHERE FROM, SIR? I'M READING FROM YOUR COUNTY, COMAN COUNTY SUBDIVISION OF GOVERNMENT RULES AND REGULATION.
I MEAN I APPLIED FOR ALL MY PERMIT.
I DID WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER PRIOR TO PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN
I APPLIED FOR APPLICATION FOR MY CULVER PIPES.
I'M WILLING TO PUT IN ALL NEW TYPE OF SYSTEMS. IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TIME BEFORE, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE STATION, WE DON'T HAVE A LIBRARY.
THIS IS LITTLE COMMUNITY OUT THERE.
WE HAVE A GREAT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, GREAT CHURCH.
WE GOT LITTLE, THE SWEETEST PEOPLE IN HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW ALL THESE THREE LITTLE TRAILERS IS GOING.
I ONLY GAVE 25,000 FOR THE 10 ACRES BECAUSE NO, IT'S NOT WORTH MUCH OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW KEN HAS A HARDSHIP BECAUSE HE, HE HAS STATED THAT TRAILER HOUSES AND WOOD TRADE HOUSES DOES NOT ADD ANY PROPERTY VALUE FOR THE TAX BASE.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT PAID ANY TAXES OUT THERE FOR YEARS.
AS IT STANDS, I GOT WITH MR. GRIMES, WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WE SET UP NEW TAX NUMBERS FOR THE ID NUMBERS FOR THE TAX BASE TO BE DRAWN OFF THIS PROPERTY.
IT STANDS IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD TO GENERATE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF TAXES.
NOW I'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT I WAS ASKED TO DO.
I DID NOT CRAWFISH, I DID NOT SELL ONE AC LOTS.
I DID NOT MOVE ANY ADDITIONAL SINGLE WIPES IN.
AND I THINK BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER, IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH INSTEAD OF A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
I FEEL LIKE I'M OBLIGATED TO PUT A NEW SEWER SYSTEM IN TO BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARDS OF COSTMAN COUNTY.
NOW THAT'S, I DUNNO WHAT ELSE TO DO, JUDGE, MAKE A COMMENT AND I'M SURE THE SHERIFF WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHERE THE DRUG COUNTY, THE OTHER ONE BROUGHT, MAKE SURE THE SHERIFF KNOWS THAT.
I'M SURE HE WOULD ENJOY HAVING, WELL, HE'S HERE AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO VISIT WITH HIM.
THE NEXT QUESTION I WOULD'VE IS, UH, I'M VERY AWARE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY OF ELMONT WAS TRYING TO DO AS FAR AS CLEANING UP, CLEARING UP THAT COMMUNITY.
AND THEY'D BE COMMENDED THAT GREAT CLEANUP DAY, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND I KNOW THEY'RE VERY HARD WORKING VERY HARD, UH, TO MAKE ELMO A BETTER PLACE FOR THE CITY DEVELOPMENT.
AS PART OF OUR DUTIES AS AS COMMISSIONERS AND THIS COUNTY JUDGE, WE DO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS.
AND I'M SORRY IF A PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER SHARED SOME INFORMATION WITH YOU THAT MAYBE WAS NOT CORRECT.
I'M, I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I'M NOT GONNA JUDGE THEM.
BUT WE DO HAVE THE, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING REQUIREMENTS AND I BELIEVE MR. LONG HAS STUDIED THIS PRETTY EXTENSIVELY, UH, RECENTLY.
WELL, AND, AND LET ME OFFER THIS TO THE, UH, THE STATE LAW THAT WE'RE GOING BY IS 2003.
SO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THAT, THE PLANNING, I DON'T KNOW THAT KAMAN COUNTY REGULATIONS ARE FROM OH 6 0 6 REGULATIONS, OF COURSE ADOPTED TO INCORPORATE THE STATE LAW OF ATTORNEY IN EFFECT.
AND THEN AS, AND I WANTED TO FIND THE SECTION THAT HE'S REFERRING TO.
'CAUSE I WANT TO READ THIS TO YOU.
IT'S, UH, SECTION H UM, ON PAGE 17, UH, IT SAYS ONE NEW PART, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS TO PLA ONE NEW PART IS TO BE RETAINED BY THE OWNER.
AND THE OTHER NEW PART IS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER PERSON WHO WILL LISTEN CAREFULLY, WHO WILL FURTHER SUBDIVIDE THE TRACK SUBJECT TO THE PLAID APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS OF THESE REGULATIONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, AN OWNER'S NOT REQUIRED TO SUBDIVIDE IT IF THEY'RE GOING TO TRANSFER IT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO MAKES THE COMMITMENT TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
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SITUATION HERE THAT THE, THE SUBSEQUENT OWNER OF, OF THIS PROPERTY, THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY IS SUBDIVIDE.THAT AND, AND AS HE WAS DETAILING WHAT HE HAD DONE WITH THE PROPERTY, I WAS READING 2 32 0.015, WHICH ARE THE EXCEPTIONS TO PLANNING REQUIREMENTS.
AND I, I APPRECIATE THE CONFUSION AND, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT ZI HAS BEEN TOLD THINGS THAT ARE NOW NOT CORRECT AND, AND THE COURT OF COURSE CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS.
I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO DO, BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS THE LAW.
I DON'T SEE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE ARISE UNDER THE LAW.
AND THE ONE EXCEPTION THAT WAS CITED BY HIM APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PERTAIN TO A SITUATION WHERE THE NEXT OWNER IS SAYING, I'M GONNA DO ALL THE PLANT REQUIREMENTS.
SO, AND IF SOMEONE SAYS, I'M GOING TO DO ALL THE PLANT REQUIREMENTS, THEN, AND I HAVE THAT IN RIGHT.
I HAVE A DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY WROTE THAT IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO SUBDIVIDE, THEY WILL COME UP THERE.
UH, SO IN YOUR OPINION, I I WOULD, IN FAIRNESS, I WOULD SAY, I DON'T MEAN IT AS AN OPTIONAL THING BECAUSE IF THEY SO CHOOSE, MY, MY GUESS WOULD BE IF I WERE A PROPERTY OWNER, I RATHER NOT HAVE TO JUST BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE.
BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S AN EXPENSE THAT'S IMPOSED BY THE COUNTY AND BY STATE LAW.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXPENSE IS.
IF PROPERTY IS WORTH SO A GREAT DEAL SOMEDAY, I GUESS IT'LL ALL PAY FOR ITSELF.
PERHAPS WE'LL PAY FOR ITSELF VERY SOON.
I CAN'T ADVISE ON ECONOMIC STATE.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU, THIS IS WHAT THE LAW IS.
THIS IS WHAT THE STATE LAW IS, THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY REGULATIONS ARE, AND I NOT SEE, AND AFTER REVIEWING THIS AND STUDYING THIS, IT'S YOUR OPINION, THIS DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT COUNTY REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
IS THAT TRUE? THAT THAT'S TRUE? I I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PLA IF IT'S PLANTED, SELL IT TO WHOEVER THAT FALLS OUT TO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXPENSE I'M PLANNING.
SO DANNY, WOULD YOU CONCUR WITH, UH, WHAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS INDICATED? OKAY.
ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE HERE THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE? SO, ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU GLEANED THIS MORNING FROM MR. HELTON? AGAIN, MR. HELTON, WE HAVE TO UPHOLD THE LAW AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
UH, BUT, UH, BASED ON RECOMMENDATION FOR HAVE WE HAVE FROM OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, UH, WHO DOES THE CIVIL ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY THAT DOES CIVIL WORK FOR THE COURT, I'LL ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT TO ADD ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON.
WELL, I I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION.
UH, TO DATE IN YOUR LETTER HERE, YOU WROTE THAT YOU HAD ALREADY SOLD TWO, TWO AC PARCEL AND FOUR PARCEL.
WELL, THE TWO, THERE WAS ANOTHER TWO ACRE PARTIAL THAT WAS THE OLD, UM, GRIFFIN HOMESTEAD THAT HAD TWO DWELLINGS ON IT.
IT WAS KIND OF STANDALONE THAT IT WAS PART OF THE 10 ACRES THOUGH.
AND THAT, NOW YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
THAT'S ANCY IS THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU, YOU BOUGHT IT AND THEN CUT IT UP? NO, NO, NO.
IT WAS ALREADY, IT WAS ALREADY A TWO ACRE STANDALONE TRACK THAT, THAT THE TWO TWO ACRE AND THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRE WERE NOT PART OF THE 10 ACRE THAT YOU PURCHASED AT ONE TIME.
I BOUGHT A 10.46 ACRE TRACK AND TWO ACRE TRACK THAT'S DIVIDED BY HIGHWAY COUNTY ROAD 3 9 3 52 A STANDALONE, WHICH I WAS TOLD I COULD PUT TRAILER HOUSES OVER THERE TOO, SINCE THERE WERE TWO DWELLINGS OVER THERE.
AND HIS, AGAIN, THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAD EIGHT DWELLINGS ON IT OKAY.
BUT IT WAS NOT CUT INTO EIGHT PARCELS, CORRECT? NO, IT WAS FLAT.
IT WAS FLAT IN 1905 AND BASICALLY TWO ACRE TRACTS.
AND IT, AND I HADN'T REPLANTED IT AND IT PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN USED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE IN HOUSING.
SO IT WASN'T ANY NEEDED PLA OR RELA.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT 10 ACRE TRACTS HAS BEEN PLANTED? 19, YEAH.
OH, THAT WHOLE AREA'S BEEN PLANTED.
AND, AND THIS PLA AND THIS PORTION IS UNDERNEATH THAT SAME FLAT HOUSES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
WATER SERVICES HAVE BEEN SOLD TO THIS PROPERTY IN THE PAST FOR THE WATER COMPANY.
THERE WERE HOUSES OUT THERE WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT WAS AT LEAST THREE FOOTPRINT ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S A, THE PROPERTY THAT JACK'S BOUGHT HAS A, UH, TIC TANK SYSTEM, A WATER METER, A CISTERN, A DRIVEWAY WHERE THE OLD DWELLING, THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET THAT USED TO LIVE IN THAT DWELLING FORT BURN NOW.
SO ALL THEY DID WAS LAY DORMANT FROM 1968.
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WELL, I THINK THIS GOES BACK WHENEVER THE RAILROAD WENT THROUGH.WELL, HER HOUSE, ALL THE REST OF THE HOUSES OUT THERE UNDERNEATH THE SAME BLACK THAT WAS IN THE WHAT, EARLY 19 HUNDREDS I BELIEVE? YEAH, EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
AND, UH, AND IT HAD BEEN MODIFIED.
THE USE OR THE INTENT OF THE USE OF THAT PLAQUE HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED.
IT'S STILL USING FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, IF YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE FRONT, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THIS ISSUE RIGHT AND I WANT MAKE CERTAIN, GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WELL ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER PERSON.
UH, JIM PRY, FRIERSON A SYSTEMS I'M CONTRACTOR THAT PUTS IN A PLANTS HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR 34 YEARS HERE IN TON COUNTY.
AND WHAT I THINK IS THE RELEVANCE HERE AND WHAT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IS THAT BASICALLY MR. HILTON HAS POOR TRACTOR LAND AND HE'S GONNA PUT THREE HOUSES ON, BUT WANTS TO PUT THREE HOUSES ON THAT HAD PUT THAT WE THERE FOR THE USE OF HIS FAMILY.
WE'VE DONE THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES HERE IN DATON COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND OR RENTAL UNITS ON ONE CONTIGUOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY MORE THAN ONE HOME.
SPEAK OF IF YOU WOULD, SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR.
AND SO WHAT DANNY SAID AT THE START WAS THAT ALAND COUNTY REGULATIONS REQUIRE, EXCUSE ME, ONE ACRE PER HOME, ONE SEPTIC SYSTEM PER HOME OR SEPTIC SYSTEM LARGE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE CAPACITY OF EACH HOME.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CALTON COUNTY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
WHEN MR. HELTON ACQUIRED HIS PROPERTY, HE LOOKED AT HIS OPTIONS, WHAT COULD HE DO WITH IT? HE HAS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF ROAD FRONTAGE, SO THERE ARE NO INTERIOR ROADS NECESSARY, UH, BY PARCELING.
BUT WHEN HE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, HE HAD ACQUIRED THE ENTIRE PIECE OF IT.
SO THAT WAS 10 ACRES THAT HE HAS SOLD TWO PIECES OFF SEPARATE TO HIS, HE'S RETAINED OWNERSHIP IN THIS ONE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WANTS TO PUT TWO HOUSES ON IT.
UH, I, THIS IS PART AND PARCEL OF WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY IN OUR PERMITT WITH
JOHN, DID YOU HAVE, SO I, I HAD A QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER SAID THAT THE PROPERTY WAS PLANTED.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT YOU HAD SAID OF WHAT COUNTY SAID THE PROPERTY 10 ACRES NOT NO, IT HADN'T BEEN.
SEE, ELMO USED TO BE A CITY BLACK LONG TIME AGO.
IT HAS BEEN DISSOLVED AS A CITY, AND I THINK THAT WAS BACK IN THE FIFTIES OR FORTIES WHEN IT WAS DISSOLVED AS A CITY.
IT WAS NEVER A CITY, IT WAS NEVER A PERMANENT OFFICIAL CITY OF ANY NATURE.
IT WAS WANTING THEY WANTED TO DO THAT.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A CLIP THAT IMP APPEALS THE PROPERTY YES.
DID YOU, DID YOU SELL THIS PROPERTY ACCORDING TO THAT PLAT? IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE LOT ON THE PLAT, UH, SAYS IT'S A 50 BY 100 LOT, DID YOU SELL THAT ACCORDING TO LOT NUMBER SUCH AND SUCH? NO.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS, MOST OF 'EM WERE TWO ACRE POTS.
SO WE, WE SOLD, UH, A 4.46 ACRE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A VOLLEYBALL BECAUSE THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT WENT TO THE WATER COMPANY.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T PLANT THAT OUT AND THEY SOLD US THE PROPERTY.
SO WE GOT A LITTLE DOG LEG RIGHT THERE.
BUT, SO BASICALLY HE'S GOT TWO, TWO ACRE TRACKS OUT HIS FOUR ACRES, THE TWO ACRE TRACKS ON THE END, SINCE THESE THINGS WERE IN TWO ACRE ONES AND WE KEPT TWO, TWO ACRE TRACTS, WE A FOUR ACRE TOTAL.
SO I ASK YOU IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
NOW, I DIDN'T SUBDIVIDE IT INTO ONE ACRE TRACKS OR, YOU KNOW, I HAD SURVEY SOME OF THE SURVEY SHOWS THAT'S NOT, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL SURVEY, BUT THE ORIGINAL SURVEY JUST SO SHOWS ALL THESE TWO PLOTS.
SO YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW OF THE ORIGINAL SURVEY? NO, THEY JUST, ALL THEY WENT WAS, BUT YOU CONTINUED TO BRING IT UP? WELL, THEY WENT FROM THE ORIGINAL.
WELL, WELL, AGAIN, THEY HAVE A HARD TIME SURVEYING THIS PROPERTY.
BECAUSE HE OWNED THE ROADS, GRIFFIN FAMILY OWNED ROADS IN THE AREA THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CLASS.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE I DROVE BY THERE THIS WEEK.
I'D LIKE WE NEED TO BRING THIS DISCUSSION TO A CLOSE.
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YOU SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD WITH MR. THANK YOU JUDGE.YOU KNOW, JOHN HILTON, IT SOUNDS AS IF HE'S REALLY TRIED HARD.
IT SOUNDS AS IF HE WAS RELYING ON A 1905 PLAT.
SO IT WOULD SEEM AS IF RESOLVING THAT POINT OF DISCUSSION MAYBE MAY BE NECESSARY BEFORE THE COURT CAN RULE.
IS THE 1905 PLATING STILL VALID THAT HE RELIED UPON AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND JOHN HAS ALWAYS TRIED TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNTY.
HE'S BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING AND VERY OPEN AND, AND IIII KNOW THAT WE ALL WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE KEEP THESE SUBDIVISION RULES IN PLACE.
IT, AND WHEN WE AS CITIZENS COME AND APPEAR BEFORE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND, AND, AND THE HIRED REGULATE REGULATION IMPLEMENTERS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE WANT TO WORK TOWARD A RESOLUTION RATHER THAN THESE UP AND DOWN YES.
AND SO I, I IMPLORE THE COURT TO, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMMON GROUND CAN BE, UH, MADE FOR JOHN HILTON WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF ENFORCING THE SUBDIVISION RULES.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE AS CITIZENS SEEMS LIKE SO MANY TIMES WE GET HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD, UM, CURRENTLY THAN IN THE PAST.
AND, AND A, YOU KNOW, RECENT IMPACT ON MY OWN LIFE IS, IS I RENT, UM, EIGHT ACRES IN TERRELL AT THE CORNER OF BRO STREET, THE NEW HIGHWAY 34, WHERE I OPERATE A COMMUNITY GARDEN FOR TERRELL VICTORY GARDENS.
AND, UM, IN APPROXIMATELY DECEMBER OR JANUARY, THE CITY OF TERRELL ENTERED THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT MY APPROVAL.
THEY CONSTRUCTED AN ONSITE HUMAN WASTE DISPOSAL PIT THAT THEY OPERATED UNTIL MAY 23RD.
AND DESPITE CORRESPONDING WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER THAT I WAS ASKED TO, DESPITE APPEARING TO THE TARRELL CITY COUNCIL LAST TUESDAY, THE TARRELL CITY COUNCIL HAS NEVER CONTACTED ME TO PROVIDE COMPENSATION FOR THE SURFACE DAMAGE AND FOR THE ILLEGAL TAKING.
HOW DOES THAT OF MY PROPERTY, I GUESS, HOW DOES THAT WE GET TREATED DIFFERENTLY? JUDGE, THE PERCEPTION IN KAUFMAN COUNTY IS THAT LITTLE GUYS LIKE JOHN HELTON AND RONNIE OLDFIELD GET TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
JOHN'S RELYING ON A 1905 PLAT.
WHAT RESEARCH CAN WE DO TO GRANT JOHN THE RIGHT TO USE A 1905 PLAT THAT HE RELIED UPON? THANK YOU.
I'M NOT SURE EVERY WHAT WE CAN DO, AND I'M READY TO BRING THIS DISCUSSION TO A CLOSE.
WELL, ONE LAST THING, I I GOT THIS LETTER FROM MS. JOHN THAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR, UH, I WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR ATTORNEY.
HE THE ONE WHO I RECOGNIZED, I'M SORRY, LEMME LEMME HIT FAST FORWARD.
BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ADMITTED ON THE RECORD THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR PLAT AND PURSUANT TO DIRECT REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER MANNING IS ALSO ADMITTED IN PUBLIC COURT, IS IN VIOLATION OF THE PRIOR PLAT.
SO THE RESULT OF THIS WILL BE ONE OF TWO POSSIBLE THINGS.
EITHER THE FIRE PLA IS VALID, IN WHICH CASE HE'S IN VIOLATION OF IT, IN WHICH CASE THE COUNTY AS THE SUCCESSOR WOULD SEEK TO ENFORCE THAT OR THE FIRE PLA IS NOT VALID AND, AND WILL ROLL UP IN EFFECT THAT HAS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT TRUMPS IT.
WHAT I THINK I'LL FIND, AND IF THE COURT WANTS TO DELAY IT, I'LL LOOK INTO THIS.
WHAT I THINK I'LL FIND IS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS IN 2003 FOR WHAT A PLAT NEEDS TO HAVE ARE GOING TO BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN A HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE.
TECHNOLOGY IS MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
AND, AND SO MY GUESS IS IF IF THERE WAS A PLAT, IT WOULD BE RUDIMENTARY COMPARED TO WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED.
NOW THE PLAT REQUIREMENTS AT 2 32, SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY FIRST GUESS.
THE COURT OF COURSE CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT.
IF IT WANTS TO TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME, I CAN DO THAT.
BUT I WOULD POINT OUT TO THE COURT THAT PURSUANT TO A DIRECT QUESTION, HE SAID THERE WAS A PLAT, I'M IN VIOLATION ON THAT.
SO WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S COME BEFORE THE COURT NOW AND SAID I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PLAT IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A PLAT AND OH, BY THE WAY, I VIOLATED THAT.
SO I GOT, I'M PRETTY SURE SO THAT, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
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SIR, UH, YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE MORE MINUTE.UH, JOHN, WE, WE'VE GOT OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST, I'M JUST CONFUSED HERE.
I GO TO A MATT COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY ON THE POWER TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
I FOLLOW THAT BEFORE I EVEN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
I GET TO MR. 10 HERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
HE DOESN'T TELL ME I NEED TO PLAN A REPLANT.
I I ONE ADDITIONAL TRAILER IN TRAILER ON THIS FOUR ACRE TRAILER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE WORLD CAVES IN ON IT.
I I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HAVE TO ABIDE BY THIS LADDER HE GAVE ME TO BUSINESS.
THAT'D BE A MATTER YOU'LL NEED TO TAKE UP WITH YOUR ATTORNEY AND HAVE YOUR ATTORNEY CONTACT THAT HAS COME OUT OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WELL, I CAN'T GO SPEAK AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.
IF I, IF I HAVE TO, I'M SORRY, THE HEARING IS OVER.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU, ARE YOU READY TO VOTE ON THIS? YES.
UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACT ON ITEM NUMBER THREE OF THE, UH, AGENDA AND THAT WE NOT APPROVE OF VARIANCE.
COMMISSIONER SHANE, UH, MOVES THAT WE NOT APPROVE THE VARIANCE TO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT IS OWNED BY MR. HELTON.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING SECONDS MOTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? THANK YOU MR. HELTON.
AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET WITH, UH, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND YOUR ATTORNEY.
MAYBE THERE IS A WAY AS MR. UH, UH, INCOMING TREASURER SAID MAYBE THERE IS A WAY WE CAN MAKE THIS THING WORK.
I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT IT'S, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.
ITEM FOUR IS, UH, MS. IFF, IS SHE HERE THIS MORNING TO SHE NOT HERE? OKAY.
THERE THEREA, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND GIVE THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECT COURT.
UM, FOR THE MAY, 2014 CURRENT ROAD COLLECTIONS FOR THE MONTH OF MAY, WE HAD, UM, FOR THE CURRENT SELECTION, 257,170 3003 DE 12 OLDER, WE HAD 32,000 4 0 8 63, WE HAD ROLLBACK TAXES COLLECTED FOR THIS MONTH OF 282 0 1 FOR OUR CURRENT AND FOR OUR MAIN ROAD BRIDGE.
UH, MAY, 2014, THE CURRENT ROAD WE COLLECTED FOR THE BRIDGE 38,051 AND COLLECTION 3,829 AND 42 WITH THE ROLLBACK TAX COLLECTION FOR THE
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UH, TAX COLLECTION FROM COURT.
COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS TO HEAR FROM THE TREASURER JOHNNY COUNTRYMAN TO PRESENT THE, UH, TREASURER'S REPORT FOR MONTH OF MAY, 2014.
AND I BELIEVE WE, UH, HAVE A COPY OF THAT THAT YOU PROVIDED THIS MORNING.
ANYTHING ABOUT THE $30 CAN PUT ASIDE, COULD TELL US, JIMMY, THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE SOME MONEY PUT ASIDE FOR OR TWO, ANYTHING YET WEEKS? YEAH, WE, I KNOW JOHN POLL'S WORKING ON THAT.
WE DON'T WANT PUT IT WHERE WE CAN'T GET TO IT, BUT WHERE IS THAT MONEY OR HIS, IT'S DRAWING INTEREST IN MAYOR CONNECT.
WHAT LITTLE INTEREST THERE IS TO WITHDRAW.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TREASURER'S MOTION REPORT? MR. MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
NUMBER SIX IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING AN ANNUAL ROAD REPORT FROM KATON COUNTY PRECINCT ONE ROAD BRIDGE.
UH, AND I BELIEVE, UH, MR. ROSA BROUGHT HIS REPORT THIS MORNING AND THE COURT HAS A MEMBER OF THAT.
I WOULD, UH, MAKE NOTICE ON ALL OF THESE REPORTS THIS MORNING.
UH, WE WILL HAVE A COPY ON THE FILE, UH, THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD'VE ONE ON FILE.
WE ALSO BELIEVE HAVE TO PRESENT THROUGH THIS TO THE GRAND JURY AS WELL FOR SOME REASON.
SO WE WILL BE DOING THAT, UH, AS WELL.
BUT, UH, UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE REPORT FROM COUNTY?
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UH, FROM PRECINCT NUMBER ONE, MOTION TO ACCEPT PRECINCT ONE ROAD.OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER TO ACCEPT IT AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROSA.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE ANNUAL ROAD REPORT FROM KAMAN COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER TWO.
UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK IS NOT HERE THIS MORNING, BUT HE DID PRESENT HIS REPORT AND IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THAT OVER, I'LL ACCEPT THE MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ZA.
I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER SHANE.
AND THEN ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS, UH, TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING AN ANNUAL ROAD REPORT,
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ROAD REPORT? PRECINCT NUMBER THREE.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER LIK TO, UH, ACCEPT THE REPORT AS PRESENTED.
THOSE OPPOSED? AGAIN, THESE WILL BE ON, ON FILE.
HAVE A COPY AT THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE.
UH, UH, WE'LL ALSO, EACH COMMISSIONER HAS A COPY OF THIS IF YOU'D LIKE TO PICK IT UP FROM, UH, THEIR OFFICE AS WELL.
AND THEN BY LAW, WE'RE DUTY BOUND TO, UH, UH, REPORT IT TO THE, UH, KAMAN COUNTY GRAND JURY, WHICH WILL, UH, BE, UH, AS SOON AS WE GET ALL IN WITH AT THAT TIME.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING A DONATION OF FENCING MATERIAL AND THE AMOUNT OF $6,609 52 CENTS FROM TRINITY MATERIALS FOR OPEN BRIDGE REPAIR ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
AND GENTLEMEN, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COPY, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE OF WHAT, UH, TRINITY MATERIALS AS, UH, OFFERED TO PROVIDE, UH, AS FAR AS REPLACING SOME FENCING THAT WILL, UH, MAY HAVE TO BE REMOVED, UH, BECAUSE OF WORK THAT WILL BE GOING ON IN 3 46.
AND LET ME JUST KIND OF GO BACK OVER THIS HISTORY OF 3 46 BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY THAT ARE, THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THAT.
UH, THE COUNTY WAS APPROACHED, UH, LAST YEAR BY THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN CONJUNCTION WITH TRINITY MATERIAL ABOUT THE UPGRADING OF 3 46 FOR AN AGGREGATE, UH, CRUSHING, UH, PIT THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING ON 3 46 NEAR THE KAUFMAN ZA COUNTY LINE.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO, UH, IMPROVE THEIR PURPOSE WAS TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY FROM ZA COUNTY LINE TO FM 27 28 WITH THE, UH, UH, TRANSIT MATERIALS PROVIDING THE MATERIAL FOR THE ROCK, THE AGGREGATE THAT IS NEEDED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UH, AND ALSO TDO PROVIDED, UH, THE ENGINEERING THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH THAT IMPROVEMENT TO COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 3.6 MILES, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
UH, MOST OF THE ROAD HAS ADEQUATE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE DITCHES TO BE REWORKED AND THE ROAD TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE, UH, THAT ARE NARROW.
AND TO GET IN, TO MAKE THAT ROAD WIDER, UH, THEY WILL NEED TO GET INTO SOME TREES THAT ARE IN THE ROADWAY OR IN THE DITCH PRIMARILY.
UH, AND SO THE ISSUE BECOMES IS, UH, HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A TREE GROWING IN A, IN A ALONG THE FENCE LINE, WELL, UH, MOST OF US REALIZE THAT THAT FENCE GETS, UH, INTERTANGLED WITH, UH, THE, THE BRUSH AND THE TREES THAT GROW THERE.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE, I BELIEVE WENT TO TRANSIT MATERIALS AND THEY HAVE, UH, LISTED THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE THE BARBED WIRE, UH, THE T POST AND THE GALVANIZED STATE FOR THIS FENCE PROVIDED THAT THE OWNER WOULD PUT UP THE NEW FENCE.
UH, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY $6,609 52 CENTS, UH, TWO MILES, APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES OF OUR FENCE.
SO WE'VE HEARD THIS MORNING FROM PEOPLE THAT, UH, ONE ABOUT MY FENCE, I HAVE SHEET SHEET FENCE THAT I NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE AS WELL.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA MENTION TO YOU, THIS PROJECT ON 20 FROM 3 0 6 TO FOREIGN MARKET ROAD 27 28, UH, WILL BE THE ROAD THAT WILL BE USED BY MANY DUMP TRUCKS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
EVERY DAY THAT THE ROCK IS BEING MINED FROM THAT AREA, I SAY EVERY DAY, MOST, MOST TIMES.
UH, IF YOU'LL ALSO, UH, AS PART OF THIS TDOT HAS COME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLETELY REWORK, UH, THAT PART OF FARM MARKET ROAD 27 28,
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UH, NORTH OF ELMO ALL THE WAY TO COUNTY ROAD 4 29, I'M SORRY, FARM MARKET ROAD 4 29 FM 27 28, ALL THE WAY TO FARM ROAD, UH, 4 29.THAT IS APPROXIMATELY A $10 MILLION PROJECT, UH, THAT, UH, TXDOT IS DOING ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL THAT ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT ROAD IS BUILT TO SPECIFICATIONS THAT WILL HANDLE OVERWEIGHT TRUCKS.
THEN THE QUESTIONS ASKED WAS, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DO THAT? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ALLOW OVERWEIGHT TRUCKS? WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY AS A COUNTY TO GRANT OVERWEIGHT TRUCKS.
THAT IS DONE BY THE TEXAS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF OUR TEXAS TECH DOCK, UH, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE HAVE, AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY.
WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO BLOCK THE CRUSHING OF ROCK IN THAT AREA.
THE, UH, TCEQ, THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL, THEY ISSUE THOSE PERMITS.
AND SO THE PEOPLE THAT GO IN AND OUT OF THAT, UH, ROCK CRUSHER ON A DAILY BASIS, HAVE THE SAME OR UH, UH, AUTHORITY TO RUN THEIR TRUCKS UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.
AS WE DO, AS I DO OR AS ANYBODY DOES, WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS A COURT TO PUT UP STOP SIGNS AND WE ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE THE SPEED ON THAT ROAD.
AND SO, UH, I WANTED TO CLEAR ALL OF THAT UP IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT DOING THIS NOW.
UH, I WAS, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT, AND I'VE SAID THIS PUBLICLY BEFORE, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOBODY WANTS A ROCK CRUSHER NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE.
I WOULDN'T, AND I WOULD WOULD IMAGINE IF WE TOOK A POLE IN HERE, I'D BE SURPRISED IF ANYBODY WOULD VOTE FOR DOING THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS BEING SOMETHING LEGALLY THAT WE CAN DO, THERE IS NOTHING LEGALLY THAT THIS COURT CAN DO.
UH, THE FOLKS FROM TRINITY MATERIALS DID OFFER TO, UH, PROVIDE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD AS FAR AS THE, UH, MATERIAL THAT WILL BE USED.
TDOT HAS AGREED TO DO THE ENGINEERING THAT IS REQUIRED, AND COMMISSIONER SHANE HAS AGREED TO DO THE WORK AS FAR AS THE LABOR IS CONCERNED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK THUMBNAIL SKETCH ABOUT WHERE WE ARE ON THIS PARTICULAR ROAD.
UH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO ANYTHING.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS TO YOU.
UH, I HAD MATTHEW HALLMARK COME OUT FROM TRINITY INDUSTRIES AND SO WE DROVE THAT ROAD WITH MY SUPERVISOR AND HE WAS LOOKING AT THE FENCES DOWN TO IT.
A LOT OF THE FENCES ARE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
LIKE ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT WAS UP HERE SPEAKING THAT HAD TO GO FARM.
UH, THOSE WILL NOT BE TOUCHED.
THE DITCHES WILL NOT NEED TO BE TOUCHED ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THE ONLY, UH, ISSUES WILL BE IS THE PROBLEMS WERE THAT THE TREES ARE AT THE FENCE AND WHEN YOU TAKE A FENCE, A TREE AWAY FROM THE FENCE, IT'S GOING PULL WHAT IS THERE DOWN.
WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES ON THAT ROAD LONG TIME AGO WHEN THE PIT WAS FIRST DONE IN, I WANT TO SAY IN 1990S I BELIEVE IS RIGHT, THAT, UH, THAT PERMIT HAS BEEN THIS LONG AVAILABLE.
THE NEXT ISSUE IS THAT TDO AND US WITH TRINITY, THIS FURNISH MONEY, WE WILL KEEP THIS A PAVED SURFACE ROAD FOR 25 YEARS UNTIL THEY LEAVE AND THEY WILL REPAY IT WHEN THEY MOVE OUT OF THIS, UH, OUT OF THIS, UH, PIT.
WHENEVER THEY ABANDONED THIS PIT, THEY WILL REPAY IT.
THEY'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH THEM HERE AT THE COUNTY FOR THIS TO BE AVAILABLE.
WE'RE GONNA PUT 21 INCHES OF ROCK ON THE COUNTY ROAD.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S, UH, THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY HELPING US, AND THIS IS GOING MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NICE.
IT'S GONNA BE A NICE FARM MARKET ROAD.
AND SO I THINK PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE EXCITED ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING NICE.
AND, AND WE, THE JUDGE AND I HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE WITH TRYING TO GET THE BEST DEAL FOR OUR CITIZENS OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY COULD AT LEAST BE REASONABLY HAPPY WITH DEALING WITH THE TRUCK TRACKING, TRUCK TRACKING COMING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT WAS JUST THAT JUDGE AND I DID OUR PART LIKE GOING AND WORKING HARD WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WAS TRINITY TO MAKE THIS A WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR EVERYBODY.
IF SOMEONE HERE TO COME UP, AND I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM ANYBODY'D, LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, COMMENT, COMMENT AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE ANY OFFENSE, I CONSIDER MYSELF A BIT OF OFFENSE EXPERT ANYWAY.
UH, BUT MR. MR. BARBER, UH, HIS FENCE WON'T BE BOTHERED.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, HE'S GOT ALL THE TREES OUTTA HIS
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AND ALSO MR. FULLER'S, UH, THOSE FENCE WON'T BE BOTHERED.THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO FENCES WON'T BE BOTHERED, BUT THERE'S STILL TWO MILES OF PANTS TO DO.
WELL, THIS IS AN ESTIMATE THAT THEY GIVE US.
THIS, UH, WELL, THIS IS GOING BACK AND TRADE JUST OFF OF THIS.
WHEN YOU GO TO, WHEN YOU GO TO DRAGGING THOSE TREES OUT THE FENCE LINE, YOU GOT WIRE, YOU GOT STEEL POSTS, WOOD POST, YOU GOT ALL SORTS OF MESS THAT GETS DRUG OUT IN THE BAR DITCH.
YOU GOT DISPOSAL OF ALL THAT MATERIAL.
AND, AND WHEN YOU DISPOSE OF WIRE AND TREES, IT'S ALL WATERED UPTOGETHER.
IT REALLY MAKES A TERRIBLE MESS.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA DISPOSE OF IT.
THE SECOND THING IS, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO GET INTO THE FENCE BUILDING BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN'T GET UP AND DOWN A ROAD.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO GET IN THE FENCE BUILDING.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT, THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM FENCING.
BUT WELL, SINCE, SINCE WIND IS TREND, COME IN THERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL THERE'S TWO MILE FENCE OUT THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, YOU KNOW, I'LL PAY FOR WIRE.
IF YOU PAY FOR THE LABOR, THE LABOR'S GONNA BE, UH, ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TIMES WHAT THE 6,000 IS.
SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU'RE NOT IN INTEGRATING.
I JUST THINK, I JUST THINK ACCEPTING THE DONATIONS WATER, THAT YOU CAN GO IN THERE AS, YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND, AND TRIM THOSE TREES.
UH, INSTEAD OF DRAGGING ALL THAT STUFF OUT, HAD TO BUILD ALL NEW FENCE DOWN THROUGH THERE AND IMPOSE YOUR WHEEL ON THE LANDOWNER.
UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE, JUST BECAUSE TRENT WANTS TO HAVE A PRETTY FENCE DOWN THROUGH THERE AND IT'S NOT EVEN REPLACING, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S NOT TRENT'S LAND? NO.
IT, BIG LANDLORDS GO THROUGH THEIR LAND.
WELL, I JUST DON'T THINK HE NEEDED TO ENFORCE TRENT'S WHEEL ON, ON THE LANDOWNER AS FAR AS PUTTING UP NEW FENCE.
I, I'VE DRIVEN DOWN 3 46 A COUPLE TIMES OVER THE LAST MONTH, AND, UH, I'M DRIVING WITH YOU.
YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE AREA IS, BUT KEN IS TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, NEEDING TO GET INTO, I GUESS, IMPROVE THE DITCH TO MAKE THE DITCH, UH, MORE COMPLIANT.
UH, WERE THERE TREES IN THE DITCH? I KNOW ALL OF THEM OUGHT HAVE TREES AND DITCHES, YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING ALL COUNTY.
SO, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT PUZZLED AND I MAY HAVE RECEIVED MISINFORMATION, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 60 FEET FROM FENCE TO FENCE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE ROAD THERE.
AND IF YOU GET OUT AND MEASURE ON OUR ROAD, WE'VE GOT 45 FOOT.
NOW I WAS A KINDERGARTEN TEACHER AND I HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF MATH, BUT 45 IS A WEIGHT OFF OF 60 FEET.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHERE'S THAT OTHER AMOUNT OF FOOTAGE GONNA COME FROM IF THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE FENCES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD? THE TEXT OP RECOMMENDATION FOR FARMER MARKET ROADS, UH, IS 60 FEET, I BELIEVE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
AND THERE ARE AREAS ALONG THIS ROAD THAT DOES NOT HAVE 45 FEET WHERE IT NARROWS.
THERE'S NO, I MEAN, IT DOES NOT HAVE 60 FEET.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT THIS WILL NOT BE A FOREIGN MARKET ROAD.
THIS WILL BE A COUNTY ROAD THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE THOSE OR MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE I WAS HEARING IT REFERRED TO AS A FARM TO MARKET ROAD EVEN THIS MORNING.
IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR IN THE, UH, TO WHAT A FARM TO MARKET ROAD AS FAR AS THE BASE MATERIAL IS CONCERNED.
UH, AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, IS THAT ONCE THIS ROAD IS CONSTRUCTED AND ACCEPTED BY THE COUNTY AND BY THE, UH, IN TDOT AS WELL AS TRINITY MATERIALS, TRINITY MATERIALS WILL MAINTAIN THAT ROAD FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE ARE REPAIRS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE FOR THE ROAD, IF TRINITY MATERIAL WILL COME IN AND DO THAT AT NO COST TO CALL CAMPUS.
AND IF I MAY, I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
I'M HEARING, I'M HEARING THE TERM PAVED BEING USED, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
IN MY MIND, PAVED MEANS A CEMENT CONCRETE ROAD.
SO I BELIEVE I HEARD YOU MENTION SEAL CO, JUST LIKE SEAL ON THE MARKET IS NOW UP TO 20, UH, 27, 28 LIKE TOPPING IS NOW.
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WHAT THE TOP, OKAY.AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 21 FOOT OF ROCK BED.
SO ANY OF US THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT GO OUT UNDER 3 46, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A MOUNTAIN TO COME UP? AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR, OUR ENTRANCES TO OUR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO GO WOO, IF YOU, IF YOU PULL A CATTLE TRAILER, SOME OF Y'ALL AREN'T FROM THE COUNTRY AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED IN TRAVELING THESE ROADS AND GOING IN AND OUTTA YOUR PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, A 21 INCH BED WHEN YOUR DRIVEWAY'S DOWN HERE, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE WATER AS IT RUNS THROUGH? AND CAN ANYBODY ADDRESS THAT? THIS SPOT, UH, HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND THEY ALREADY TOOK SAMPLES ON ROAD AND THEY'RE, THEY SAID THAT IT AVERAGES OUT ABOUT NINE INCHES RIGHT NOW OF PLUS ROCK ON THE ROAD.
THE ROAD BED THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU DRIVE ON IS NINE INCHES THICK RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE WILL NOT BE THAT MUCH ADDED TO IT.
I MEAN, 12 INCHES A FOOT, YOU'RE WALKING UP A STAIR STAFF AND YOU'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL FOOT.
I MEAN, THAT IS, KEEP IN MIND YOU HAVE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PAVEMENT AND YOUR FENCE LINE OR GATE TO MAKE THE TRANSITION.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING, SO ARE THEY GOING TO TRANSITION THAT DOWN OR WE HAVE TO GET OUT THERE AND TAKE OURSELVES? IT IS ALL GONNA BE, AND I HAVE JUST ONE LAST QUESTION, COMMENT.
UM, AS OF TODAY, OUR COMMUNITY, THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN MADE AWARE.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON OURS TO CHECK THE DOCKET FOR THE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN MADE AWARE OF ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED EXCEPT THROUGH A, A GOOD NEIGHBOR'S RESEARCH.
SO DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IS THIS GOING TO BE A GUESSING NAME ON OUR PART? HEARSAY.
CAN NOTES NOT BE PUT ON THE FENCE? OR CAN EMAILS NOT BE SENT OUT NOTIFYING US EXACTLY WHEN ALL THIS IS GOING TO START AND WHAT CHANGES TO THE PLAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MADE SO THAT THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE PROCESS BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT TRINITY OR SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE NOTIFIED US OF THIS SO THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE JUDGE AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ON THIS UNTIL WE GET ALL THESE THINGS REALLY SOLIDIFIED.
DID WE WANT TO GATHER THE COMMUNITY UP? AND I UNDERSTAND NOW, JUDGE SHEPHERD'S GOT A MEETING ON THE 19TH OF NEXT MONTH AT THE FIRE STATION FOR THE JUDGE AND I TO COME AND MAKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY UP TO DATE ON WHAT IS GOING ON ON 3 46.
AND POSSIBLY BY THEN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD ANSWER ON WHAT WE CAN TELL FOLKS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN A WORK IN PROGRESS AND I RESPECT THAT WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION FROM TECH DOC, BUT THERE IS A POINT WHERE THERE'S NO NO RETURN, THERE'S NO RECOURSE.
THE PROCESS IS ALREADY IN EFFECT.
AND SO I THINK IN FAIRNESS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THESE TRUCKS BARRELING UP AND DOWN THERE, GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE ROAD CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW, OKAY, WHAT IF THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE MAINTAINING AND OUR ROAD LOOKS LIKE THE OTHER END AT 3 46.
WHERE DO WE TAKE OUR CONCERNS? DO WE BRING 'EM HERE? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE, IT'S NOT THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD ANY LONGER.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS BEFORE THE POINT OF NO RETURN BEFORE WE HAVE NO, UM, RECOURSE BECAUSE IT'S ALL BEEN SET IN MOTION AND WE HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN KEPT UP TO DATE.
SO CONSEQUENTLY, RUMORS FLY AND THIS HAPPENS AND THAT HAPPENS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING DO THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF UNKNOWN AND, AND A STATE OF CONFUSION IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO, COPELAND COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO QU RIGHT OF THIS.
BUT I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT TRINITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE.
NO, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA PAY US TO MAINTAIN.
THEY DON'T, THEY GONNA PAY THE COUNTY TO KEEP IT MAINTAINED.
AND SO WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE PLANS IN PLACE TO NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED, MEANING THE PEOPLE ON 3 46 FROM THE ROCKPORT OF 2017? YOU MEAN AFTER THE ROAD IS CONSTRUCTED? NO, I'M MEANING IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF DECIDING THE BEST WAY TO, TO HANDLE THESE ISSUES.
WELL, I I DO KNOW THERE'S A MEETING OF LEGAL ON THE 17TH AT THE, UH, GROVE GROVE, UH, BAPTIST CHURCH.
AND CERTAINLY WE WILL DO THAT.
UH, LET ME, UH, LET ME CLEAR UP SOMETHING.
UM, THIS IS THE SECOND OR THIRD TIME WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AND THERE'S
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BEEN NO EFFORT ON THE COURT'S PART THAT I'M AWARE OF TO TRY TO HIDE ANYTHING.I MEAN, IT'S BEEN REPORTED WIDELY IN OUR LOCAL PRESS.
UH, IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A GOOD IDEA.
I HAD A LETTER OR A PERSONAL VISIT.
I KNOW MR. SHANE HAS VISITED WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL OF THEM.
UH, SO MY MY BELIEF ON THIS ROAD FROM THE VERY GET GO IS IF, IF THEY ARE GOING TO MINE THE ROCK, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
AND I, I WISH WE COULD, BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF US WOULD WANT THEM TO TAKE ANOTHER ROUTE.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT STORY IS WHEN, WHEN TRINITY MATERIALS CAME TO THE COMMISSIONER AND TO, TO MYSELF, WE ASKED THEM TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION WE ASKED THEM TO TRY TO FOLLOW, WHERE THERE'S A HIGHLIGHT WHERE THERE'S A POWER LINE, THAT THERE'S AN EASEMENT THERE.
UH, THEY ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT AND THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT WORKED OUT WITH TWO OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ONE DID NOT, WOULD NOT AGREE TO HAVE THE, OR THEY WOULD AGREE TO IT.
THEY WANTED AN EXTRAVAGANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO TRANSIT MATERIALS WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO, UH, FROM THE ROAD, I THINK WHERE IT MAKES THE FIRST CURVE OR MAYBE THE SECOND CURVE, THEY WERE GOING TO FOLLOW THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY OF A, OF A UTILITY LINE THAT'S THERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
SO IF IT'S THE, GIVEN THAT THE ROAD'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED, IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING OUR DUTY TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE VERY BEST ROAD THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT LIVE ON 3 46.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'VE COME FROM.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE COMMISSIONER SHANE HAS COME FROM ON TRYING TO DO THIS, THE COMMUNICATION PART.
WE SHOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB ON THAT.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE THE COMMISSIONER CAN GIVE A MONTHLY UPDATE IF, IF, UH, AS CONSTRUCTION GETS UNDERWAY AND WE'RE NOT ARGUING THE FACT THAT THE ROCK CORY IS GOING TO BE THERE.
I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, FOR WHOEVER LEASED THE LAND AND FOR THEM TO BE THERE.
IT'S JUST THAT I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN PRUDENT AND IT WOULD BE PRUDENT IF ADVANCE, UM, NOTIFICATION CAN BE MADE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA OF EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON.
I DO, I DO TAKE PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT CHECKING THE DOCKET AND FINDING OUT WHO THIS IS UP FOR THE MEETING.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IN REAL LIFE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T DO THAT.
AND WE DON'T GET A NEWSPAPER AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
HOWEVER, IT SEEMS LIKE TRINITY OR SOMEBODY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO ASSURE THAT EVERY PERSON IS NOTIFIED.
AND A NOTE ON THE GATE OR A LETTER IN THE MAILBOX TO ME WOULD BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE THING TO DO.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME, MA'AM? LENEL FULLER.
AND WE ARE AT 11 600 COUNTY ROAD 3, 4 6.
DO Y'ALL HAVE A START DATE YET, OR NO? WE STILL HARD TO ADVISE THE START DATE IF YOU DON'T HAVE YEAH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE BEST DEAL GOING FOR THE COMMUNITY BEFORE WE SIT DOWN AND DO ANYTHING.
I WANT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT COMING TO THEM, THAT IT'S BLACK AND WHITE AS, LIKE I SAID, THE JUDGE AND I WENT TO BAT FOR OUR CITIZENS OUT THERE ON THE COUNTY ROAD 3, 4, 6 TO GET THE BEST DEAL WE COULD FOR OUR COUNTY.
AND YOU MIGHT TALK TO MR. MANNY, HE SEEMS TO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF RANCH VOLUNTEER.
JUDGE, COULD YOU CLARIFY EARLY IN THE MEETING IS, IS THE LANDOWNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE FENCE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED? IS IT THE COUNTY'S INTENTION THAT THAT LANDOWNER BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE LABOR TO INSTALL THE FENCE? THAT'S THE CONDITION THAT, UH, TRINITY MATERIALS HAS GIVEN AS FAR AS BEING THEY WILL BUY MATERIALS IF THE LANDOWNER WILL DO THE FENCE THAT THE LABOR ON FENCE.
UM, I I I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO COME UP WITH, UH, A SOLUTION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE, UM, THE UNFAIR TAKING OF A GENTLEMAN'S RESOURCES.
I ALSO HAVE A HARD CORNER THERE.
UH, I THINK WE'RE PAST POSSIBILITY OF IN, UH, TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DEALING WITH TRINITY OR COMMISSIONER'S COURT SHOULD NOT BE DEALING WITH TRINITY ABOUT
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FENCING MATERIAL.WE JUST HAD A PIPELINE COME THROUGH.
I THINK TRINITY SHOULD BE DEALING WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED.
I THINK THAT'S WHO THEY SHOULD BE DEALING WITH IN INITIAL COMMISSION.
BIG QUESTION I HAVE IS I HAVE A HARD CORNER THERE.
I KNOW THEY'RE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
UH, I KNOW STILL EVERYTHING'S IN THE PROCESS, BUT I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING HAPPEN THERE.
I HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN A BUSINESS CARD ON MY
ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES I, I VIOLATED YOUR BUSINESS CARD AND YOU'RE, I GOT ONE BUSINESS CARD STUCK TO IT.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PICKING FOR VOTES OR WHAT.
NO, THERE WAS COMMENTS LEFT ON BACK TO MY COURT AND SAID, PLEASE CALL ME.
LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE SOLICITING VOTES OR WHAT, BUT, UH, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT THIS, VERY INTERESTED IN THESE OTHER MEETINGS.
UH, ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE ALSO POST UP THERE IN THE, IN THE POST OFFICE UP THERE IN AMO ABOUT THIS STUFF HERE TO KEEP US AWARE OF IT.
UH, BUT I STILL FEEL, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A HARD DAY TO START, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED AND UH, AS THIS FULLER SAID IS WE LIVE THERE.
WE WANT TO KNOW YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY HERE.
YOU JUST WENT OVER ONE ROAD ABOUT DEVELOPMENT THERE.
WE'VE GOT A NICE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP OVER THE YEARS.
A NICE STRETCH AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY AND WE REALLY NEED Y'ALL TO HELP ON THAT.
AND AS FAR AS WHEN TRINITY DOES TAKE THIS OVER AS FAR AS, UH, THE MONITORING AND THE LEASING OF THE ROAD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE IN THE CONTRACT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO PUT INTO THE CONTRACT WHEN THAT ROAD DOES BECOME SUBSTANDARD TO A CERTAIN DEGREE IS THAT THEY NOT BE ALLOWED TO TRAFFIC IT WITH THE HEAVY TRUCKS THAT WILL MAKE THEM COME OUT OF POCKET AND FIX 'EM AND KEEP IT MAINTAINED.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA END UP THAT ROAD, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS PRISTINE AT ALL TIMES.
THAT'S THE LEAST YOU CAN DO FOR US HOMEOWNERS OUT THERE.
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE THE COMMISSIONER'S CALL ON KEEPING THE ROAD WORK UP AND I'LL ASSURE YOU THAT WE WILL KEEP IT NICE.
AND YES, I'VE TRIED NUMEROUS TIMES TO COME.
WE'VE TRIED THE TAX RECORDS OVER HERE BEING MY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND, AND WE DON'T GET YOUR NAME OVER HERE ON THE TAX RECORDS.
SO I PHONE NUMBER AND TALK TO.
YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO TALK TO.
ALRIGHT, WELL I APPRECIATE IT.
MR. KIRK, WHAT KIND OF CORNER DID YOU SAY YOU HAD OVER THERE? IT'S A HARD CORNER.
UH, THE SCHOOL BUS, VARIOUS TRUCKS AND WHATEVER I JUST TOLD WIPED OUT THAT CORNER.
UH, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY GET THROUGH IT HALF THE TIME, BUT I GUESS THEY GET ENOUGH JUICE ON THEIR VEHICLE THEY GET THROUGH.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT THREE PARTY SEAT? YES.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING FOR HIS CONFERENCE.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING HERE.
UH, THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE, UH, IS THE, UH, JUST THE TRAFFIC ITSELF AND HOW DANGEROUS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
I'VE BEEN, UH, MET SEVERAL OF THOSE TRUCKS ALREADY.
I'VE ACTUALLY CALLED, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE A FEW TIMES AND AFTER I CALLED HIM THEY STOPPED, BUT A FEW WEEKS LATER OR A MONTH LATER, THEY MAY PICK IT UP AGAIN.
SO THEY'VE BEEN COMING IN AND OUT THERE ALREADY AND OUR ROAD JUST BEING 45, 47 FOOT WIDE.
AND A LOT OF PLACES, ESPECIALLY AT MY PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE FISHER KIRK TALKED ABOUT THAT HARD TURN THERE, THAT IS ABOUT 90 DEGREE GOING FROM EAST TO NORTH.
BUT THAT'S MY PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE.
AND THAT DITCH IS CONSTANTLY WOR OUT BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND, UH, ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THAT IS I HAVE, UH, A LOT OF TREES ON THAT CORNER AND YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT CORNER WITHOUT SWELLING WAY DOWN AND SWINGING OVER INTO, UH, EITHER THE, THE NOTLEY, UH, DRIVEWAY SOMETIMES OR THE FOREST TO AVOID GETTING HIT BY 'EM COMING TRAFFIC.
SO YOU SAID, UH, JUDGE THAT THE WIDTH THERE IS GONNA STAY THE SAME.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE DANGEROUS WITH THOSE BIG TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THERE AND US TRYING TO MANEUVER OUR WAY IN AND OUT THERE.
UH, SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CONSIDERATION I HOPE THAT Y'ALL LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE UNDERSTAND IT AND I PRETTY WELL ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, OKAY? BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE SAFEST MANNER.
AND IF TRINITY WANTS TO TALK TO ME, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A CORNER OF MY PROPERTY OR SOMETHING, I MEAN MY HORSE COULD DO THAT A LITTLE MORE LAND, IT WON'T HURT, UH, THAT'D BE FINE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO COME TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.
UH, JUST LIKE MR. KIRK SAID, I DON'T THINK THIS IS REALLY BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND TRINITY MATERIALS JUST BETWEEN LANDOWNERS AND TRINITY MATERIALS AND UH, WE APPRECIATE ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN DO, UH, TO HELP US ON THAT END.
BUT, BUT THEY HAVE YET CONTACT US ABOUT ANYTHING OR, OR ANYTHING.
THE PIPELINE PEOPLE WERE GREAT.
I MEAN, THOSE PEOPLE WERE AWESOME.
THEY CAME OUT AND UH, I MEAN WE COULDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING THAT BEEN DONE BETTER THAN WHAT THEY DID.
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FROM, FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW.VERY QUICKLY, I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO LEAVE THE THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH, SEVEN O'CLOCK OVER GROVE BAPTIST CHURCH, ELMO CRIME WATCH HAS A MEETING.
COME TO A MEETING AGAIN, SEND SOMEBODY TO A MEETING AND WE'LL HAVE 20 TO 30 PEOPLE THERE HOPEFULLY.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT ANY INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ON 3 46, REMEMBER OF THE CRIME WATCH I GOT THE EMAIL ADDRESS, SEND ME SOMETHING AND I'LL SEND IT TO THEM.
BUT IF YOU COVER THE THIRD, THIRD AND YOU CAN UPDATE US AT THAT TIME AND EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET, UH, WE CAN GET YOUR INFORMATION OUT.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? CHUCK? SHE, ANYBODY ELSE COMMENT HERE? BECAUSE AS NEL SAID, THE ROAD IS ONLY 45 FOOT, ESPECIALLY DOWN IN OUR AREA, WE EXPANDED TO 60 FOOT.
IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE THAT THEY CHANGED THEIR PLANS AND COME OVER INTO MY PROPERTY.
WOULD THAT BE THE CASE? UH, WILL I BE ABLE TO HAVE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE, OF THE, I DUNNO HOW COUNTY, I DUNNO HOW I MAKE SURE I DON'T WIND UP SOMEBODY GO OFF A COUPLE ROADS OF BARB WIRE AND THEN I HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THAT BUSINESS.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S MY RECOURSE IF THIS PLAN CHANGED RIGHT NOW? AND I KNOW THAT MR. SHANE HAS, HAS SAID THAT I'M NOT INFECTED AND THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING IF THAT PLAN CHANGED, HE SAYS, I WANT SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO GO TO AND SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU SAID THIS AND NOW THIS IS HAPPENING.
WELL, THE COMMUNICATION OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO COME OUT.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT OUR ASK COMMISSIONER SHANE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S KEPT INFORMED IF THE ROADWAY SHOULD BE MOVED IS MY BELIEF THAT THE ROADWAY'S PRETTY WELL STAFF NOW.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU GET INTO A CONSTRUCTION SOMETHING, IT MAY HAVE TO BE MOVED OVER.
I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I HAD MY SAY, BUT WILL THIS ROAD BE STRIPED? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE STRIPING BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW BOUNDARIES, JOHN ROCK TRUCKS STAY HERE.
I I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE INTERVIEWED EARLIER, THE, THE MATTER THAT YOU POSTED FOR IS WHETHER OR NOT TO ACCEPT $6,609 FOR FENCING.
AND, UM, AND YOU'VE HAD, SINCE IT WAS POSTED FOR THIS ROAD, YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
BUT, AND, AND, AND I DON'T DUNNO WHAT THE ANSWER TO ALL THE VARIOUS QUESTIONS ARE
WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO LET EVERYBODY HEAR WHAT THE LAND DO.
BUT, BUT IT CONCERNS ME THAT PEOPLE THINK YOU'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT.
WHEN IN FACT THAT'S REALLY ONLY THING THAT'S TO WHETHER TO ACCEPT OR NOT ACCEPT.
AND I GUESS I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANY LEGAL REASON YOU SHOULD NOT ACCEPT A DONATION FROM, UH, TRINITY AND MATERIALS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? WELL, THE CONTEXT THAT I HAVE IS THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROAD ITSELF AND THEY HAVE A STATUTORY RESPONSIBILITY AND BY CONTRACT COMMISSIONER IS CORRECT, WE HAVE THE END THIS, THAT, THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE MADE GOOD AS WELL.
SO THEY HAVE AN ONGOING OBLIGATION.
THEY HAVE OBLIGATION BACK AGAINST THE ROAD.
THE DEFENSE ITSELF, IF IT'S NOT THEIR DEFENSE, I DUNNO THAT THEY HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION UNLESS THEY SOMETHING DIRECTLY IN.
THEY'VE GOT M BUCKETS AND WHATNOT ROLLING BACK THERE.
WE'RE NOT HEARING OH, I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST SAYING THEY HAVE AN ONGOING STATUTORY OBLIGATION AS TO ROAD IN THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD AND THEY ALSO HAVE AN OBLIGATION ON THE BACK END PURSUANT TO THE CONTRACT WE HAVE, UM, TO PUT IT IN THE SAME CONDITION AS BEFORE THEY FOUND IT.
AND PERHAPS BETTER IF, IF THE REGULATIONS ARE SUCH THAT REQUIRES A, AN NICER ROAD.
UM, BUT AS THE DEFENSE ITSELF, IF IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY AND IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE ROAD, THEY DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION.
AND SO IF THEY'RE OFFERING SOMETHING, I GUESS THE COURT CAN ACCEPT IT OR NOT ACCEPT IT.
IT IT, IT'S KIND OF GOES ALL I THINK A SHOW OF CITIZENSHIP OR WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE A CITIZENSHIP.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO ACCEPT IT WITH WHAT IT CONDITIONS I CAN'T DO WITHOUT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OBLIGATION ON THE COURT.
AND UM, JACK, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU AS PURCHASING AGENT, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY REASON WHY WE, UH, LEGALLY COULD NOT ACCEPT THIS? NO, NOT AT ALL.
AUDITOR OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT.
CAN THEY LEGALLY COME IN AND TAKE
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DOWN THE FENCING, TAKE OUT THE TREES, PUT THE ROAD IN WITHOUT ANY OBLIGATION TO PUT IT BACK WHERE IT BELONGS? IS THERE NO HOMEOWNER RIGHT.TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR LIVESTOCK AND THEIR LIVELIHOOD ARE, ARE THEY TAKING OUT FENCES? THEY'RE, THEY'RE WHERE THE TREES ARE IN THE ROAD DITCH.
THERE WILL BE SOME TREES THAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED FOR THE ROAD TO BE PROPERLY BILLED.
IF, IF THEY'RE TAKING OUT PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEN EACH PROPERTY OWNER WOULD'VE WHATEVER RIGHTS THEY WOULD HAVE OF RECOURSE.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS DEFENSES.
BUT IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THEY'RE EITHER DESTROYING FENCES, YOU'RE TAKING THEM DOWN, BUT EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY OR TOGETHER IF YOU DECIDE TO GO TOGETHER WOULD SAY OR THIS MUCH FOR DEFENSE OR, OKAY, SO THEN AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT HAPPEN? ARE THEY GOING TO COME IN AND REMOVE THE FENCING TO DO THE ROAD AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO BATTLE WITH THEM? AND IF YOU ACCEPT THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE OFFERED, WHICH I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IS ADEQUATE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE FENCING THAT MAY BE REQUIRED, THEN DOES THAT CLOSE THE DEAL? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CLOSED THE DEAL, BUT IT, IT, THERE MAY BE RIGHTS THAT YOU AS LANDOWNERS HAVE SEPARATE FROM THE COUNTY IF IT'S YOUR PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN AFFECTED BY AND SO AT WHAT POINT DOES ALL THIS HAPPEN? I, I WOULD CONSULT SOMEONE NOW I WOULDN'T, I'M NOT YOUR LAWYER, BUT I WOULD NOT WAIT.
OKAY, WELL SOMEBODY CAME IN AND REMOVED OUR, OUR FENCE WHO WE, YOU KNOW, I HEAR WE, WE, BUT BUT WHO IS WE TRINITY OR IS IT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND IF WE WANTED TO FIGHT THAT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR, LET THE, UH, LET ME SAY AS FAR AS, UH, THAT THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION, I WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SETTING UP A MEETING WITH TRINITY MATERIALS.
MOST OF YOU MAY KNOW MATT PAUL, MARK, WHO WOULD BE THE SUPERVISOR.
UH, BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT MEETING OCCURS, UH, PROBABLY IN THE, UH, MOBILE AREA AND WE'LL HAVE THE COMMISSIONER THERE.
AND I'LL ALSO, UH, WELL ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD IS, IS THAT THE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN NOT, UH, UH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, UH, AREA WHERE A TRUCK PULLS UP AT THE RAILROAD TRACK.
THEY CANNOT LEGALLY STOP THERE.
I'LL ALSO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THERE THAT CAN, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE, UH, THIS LAST FEW DAYS, BUT WELL, THAT IS A PROBLEM IF, UH, WHEN YOU COME WITH THAT RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE IF THEY STOP AT THE STOP SIGN, THEY MAY BLOCK THE RAILROAD IF THEY GO ALL WAY ACROSS THE TRACK.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BUILTIN HAZARD AND UH, YOU KNOW, DO YOU FOUND IF THEY ROLL OUT THERE FOR NOT, YOU KNOW, STOP A STOP SIGN OR DO YOU MAKE, YOU KNOW, STOP ON THE RAILROAD TRACK AND VIOLATE THE OTHER ONE.
AS PART OF THIS, I'D ALSO SAY THAT WE'VE ASKED TXDOT TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING A, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE LOCATION OF 27 28 AND HIGHWAY 80 FOR THIS AREA WHERE THE TRUCKS WILL BE COMING OUT.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE PERIODICALLY.
I KNOW THERE ARE ACCIDENTS DOWN THERE NOW, AND, UH, SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO A STUDY AND SEE IF IT'D BE A POSSIBILITY FOR THAT TO OCCUR.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBILITY TO NOTIFY US.
ARE, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'RE THINKING JUST AS SOON AS I CAN GET IT SET UP? I, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CONTACT HIM, BUT I WILL DO THAT.
WE'RE WE'RE ASKING ABOUT TAKE, YOU WERE JUST ASKING ABOUT, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE ABOUT THE DONATION THEY WERE GONNA MAKE FOR A FENCING, BUT UNLESS IT'S COUNTY FENCING Y'ALL THE MONEY, IT'S NOT EVEN Y'ALLS FENCE.
WELL, THE ISSUE, AS MR. LONG SAYS THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS WHETHER TO ACCEPT DISPENSE DONATION.
THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT US DOING THAT.
SO THAT'S BEEN VERIFIED BY THREE PEOPLE IN HERE THAT SHOULD, UH, KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
HOW, WHAT FENCING IS USED FOR, HOW IT GOES BACK.
THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE TRENTON MATERIALS WOULD BE OPEN TO TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT.
I WOULD ASSUME I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT.
UH, BUT THE MATTER BEFORE THE COURT, NOW I NEED TO GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE QUESTION ON THIS IS TO CONSIDER ACCEPTING A DONATION OF FENCING MATERIAL AND THE AMOUNT OF $6,609 52 CENTS FOR FROM TRINITY, UH, MATERIAL FOR ROAD REPAIR, UH, RELATED TO COUNTY ROAD 3 46.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM ANYONE? SENATOR? I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER ICK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NO, YOU BOTH KNOW I BOTH KNOW, UH, THE CHAIR BOTH.
SO WE'LL ACCEPT THE, THE, UH, MATERIAL FROM UH, TRINITY MATERIAL, BUT WE WILL
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WORK WHAT TO WHAT WE CAN TO GET THE TRINITY MATERIAL TOGETHER AND, UH, SET UP SOON.THANK YOU FOR BEING, WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MS. COOPER? LET'S SEE.
I'VE GOTTA LEARN TO REMEMBER COLLEGE THAT ANY QUESTIONS? LAW LIBRARY? YES.
DID UH, WE HAD TO PURCHASE MORE BOOKS THAN WAS ANTICIPATED? YES.
THE PRICE WAS DIFFERENT WHEN, UH, WE ORIGINALLY DID, THE JUDGE LEWIS WAS NOT HERE, SO HE DIDN'T REALLY GIVE A GOOD NUMBER.
I JUST WENT FROM A PRIOR YEAR.
AVERAGE WENT, I SHOULD PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE FARM, BUT I DIDN'T, I FIGURED WE WOULD AMEN IT IF HE NEEDED IT.
HAD WE SPENT ANY OF THAT MONEY ON EXTRA? NO, JUST VERY, VERY LITTLE.
UH, IF YOU WERE REMEMBER, 25% OF A FULLTIME PERSON WAS PUT IN THE GENERAL FUND, 75% IN THE LAW LIBRARY.
AND HE DECIDED TO USE JUST FULLTIME HELP.
HE DIDN'T PUT A FULLTIME PERSON.
THE, UH, BAR ASSOCIATION HAS MET AND THERE'S BEEN A DISCUSSION GOING ON BETWEEN THE FOUR JUDGES AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE BAR ASSOCIATION ABOUT UPGRADING THE LAW LIBRARY.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY $250,000 IN THAT FUND.
WELL THAT'S IN THE ESTIMATED HOUR.
AND UH, WHICH IS MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SPEND LEGITIMATELY, BUT THEY'RE GOING IN AND LOOKING AT PUTTING ANOTHER COMPUTER IN THERE, RE REPAINTING IT AND UH, PUTTING IT SOME NEW FLOORING DOWN.
IT'S KIND OF UPGRADING A LITTLE BIT.
BUT LAW COME OUT THE LAW LIBRARY MOTION.
HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MANNING TO APPROVE THE LINE OF TRANS ALL STATE.
NEXT IS A DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYROLL.
UH, THE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE FOR $428,412 AND 51 CENTS.
I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT COPIES OF THESE EMAILED TO YOU.
LAST WEEK THERE WAS A POSTING ERROR BETWEEN PRECINCT TWO AND PRECINCT THREE.
SO INVOICE, SO THAT BE CORRECTED.
IT DIDN'T GO FROM TWO TO THREE OR FROM THREE.
SHE SHOWED IT TO ME, BUT I, THE ONLY THING ALL THAT WAS THIS, ALL THIS AVAILABLE, ALL THIS INFORMATION? YES.
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CHILDREN'S SHELTER.YEAH, THEY ARE DIFFERENT DATES.
PROBABLY SENT DIFFERENT INVOICES.
I MEAN THEY'RE ALL THERE TOGETHER.
YEAH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
WHAT'S HE INVOICE? WHAT DOES HE DO FOR HIM? YEAH.
YEAH, HE IS WORKING ON THE CHILD SHELTER.
UH, THE BUILDING ACTUALLY UPDATING BATHROOMS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SHE PROBABLY ORDERED SOME RIGHT? AND SHE COMPLETED THOSE FUNDS.
YEAH, I, I TALKED TO ABOUT THAT.
THEY'RE MOVING BOOKS OFF THE SHED I THINK.
INGS ON PAGE 5 39, 9 7 SAID INVOICE IS NOT PAID FOR TEN ONE THROUGH FOUR 15.
WE DIDN'T GET, THEY DIDN'T SEND IT TO US PAGE.
WE THOSE INVOICES TO ADDITIONAL COPIES AND RESEARCH THOSE
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MONTHS.INDIVIDUALLY IN BETWEEN THOSE.
WAS THAT HOW, I MEAN, WHEN THE PEOPLE GO, WHEN THE DEPUTIES GO GET THEIR UNIFORMS, DO THEY NOT TURN ANY RECEIPT? UH, WE KNOW IF THEY IN AND THEY AWAY LOSS PUT UP SOMEWHERE.
WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO ONE PERSON AND THAT PERSON CODES THEM AND SENDS THEM TO US.
UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'VE ALSO DONE IS REQUESTED THEM TO START SENDING US MONTHLY STATEMENTS.
THEY HADN'T BEEN SENDING THIS, THIS, THIS ONE PERSON THAT COLLECTS ALL THE RECEIPTS ON A DAILY BASIS.
THEY MISPLACE THEM OR DID WE DEPUTIES NOT, THEY DON'T MAKE A LAW.
THEY IN, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP UP BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED EACH, EACH OFFICER GETS SIX STARTED A YEAR OR A QUARTER, UH, A YEAR.
AND THEY, THEY'RE DOUBLE THAT OUT.
THEY DON'T GET IT ALL IN DIRECT REGULAR.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE, UH, GET OUT, UH, WITH JACK'S STUFF FOR THIS NEW YEAR.
IF THEY ARE, UH, CID OR UH, INVESTIGATORS OR DETECTIVES, THEY WILL BE GIVEN $50 TO GO SPEND AND THEY HAVE TO BRING US THE RECEIPT.
WE'RE WRITE CHECK, REIMBURSEMENT.
AND DO IT LEGALLY BECAUSE I HAVE TO I THINK SOME OF THAT PRIOR TO, YEAH, THIS IS ALL PRIOR.
THIS IS EIGHT MONTHS DO STUFF.
NOBODY GAVE US THE INVOICES AND WE HAD TO RECHECK THEM AND VERIFY EM THAT WE HADN'T PAID THEM.
WHO IS THE PERSON THAT THE DEPUTIES ARE TRYING TO RECEIPT? THEY, I SUPERVISOR.
I'M NOT COURT MASTER REPORT OR EACH DEPUTY CHIEF.
YOU KNOW THAT YOU GOT ONE DIVISION REPORTS TO ONE CHIEF ONE? I'M NOT SURE.
CAN WE FIND THAT OUT? I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT PAYING BILLS FOR, YOU KNOW, SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AND NOT TURNING IN THE RECEIPTS.
WELL I FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE.
HAVE YOU SEEN, HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE RECEIPTS TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE LEGITIMATE? YES.
AND THEY'RE SIGNED BY SOMEBODY.
THEY SEND US COPIES BECAUSE I WOULDN'T PAY FOR THE STATEMENT.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
I MEAN, HOW, HOW DID WE FIND OUT THAT THEY HADN'T BEEN PAID? UM, THEY CONTACTED US, BUT THEY, THEY, BOOKKEEPING IS BAD.
BOOKKEEPING ISN'T IN GOOD SHAPE.
THEY DON'T, THEY HADN'T BEEN SENDING, THEY SHOULD A, IF YOU HAD SEEN A RECEIPT, GOT TWO CANS DOWN THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M TIRED THERE.
WE, I MEAN THEY ALREADY DOWN ALL THAT RAINED ON I GUESS THAT STUFF SETTLED.
WE JUST GO ON AND TOP 'EM UP WITH SOME MORE GARBAGE.
WELL THEY'LL SAY SHE'S CALLED ME A BILL PAT.
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THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE.WAS THAT ENCOMPASS ENTIRE? NO, THOSE ARE SEPARATE.
MY PRECINCT COUNTYWIDE IS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT INVOICES TOGETHER.
IT'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT INVOICES, BUT I LIKE TO GET A COUPLE.
PRECINCT TEAR DOWN OR, SO ONE OF THEM YOU FIND OUT MATERIALS YOU YEAH, HE'S NOT.
THAT'S 11,000 150 19 A PIECE NORMALLY.
IS THAT FOR ONE MONTH? DALLAS COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS ONE BILL HERE, THIS TRANSFORMER FOR 3 35.
THAT WAS FOR SIX DIFFERENT ONES.
ONE OF 'EM WAS FOR 2350 WAS 1950.
ONE OF 'EM WAS JUST A THOUSAND.
AND WE ONLY UH, WELL I SAY THAT THE, THE TRANSPORT FOR GOGANS FUNERAL HOME AT 3 35, WAS THAT JUST FOR ONE TRANSPORT OR WAS THAT FOR SEVERAL OF WE DID SIX AUTOPSY.
SURELY THAT'S NOT FOR SIX TRANSPORT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SURE.
SO WE CAN EXPECT FIVE MORE TRANSPORTS PROBABLY.
WELL IT MUST OF BE FOR DALLAS.
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I KNOW JUDGE WOULD, DID JUDGE SMITH EVER Y'ALL EVER MAKE A DECISION ON THE AUTOPSY? JUST TALK ABOUT HOW YOU CHECK.DID Y'ALL GET YEAH, JUDGE SMITH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN IT.
I THINK Y'ALL GET THAT ON PAGE EIGHT.
ON THE COST OF PRECINCT FOUR NEEDS TO BE 4 0 4 EQUIPMENT.
I DID, I THINK I FIXED THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE CHARGED THAT LINEUP.
WHAT AT
BUT THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED INSURED TO ANOTHER LINE ITEM.
IT WASN'T REALLY NEW EQUIPMENT.
OKAY, SO WHAT LINE ITEM WAS IT PUT TO? I THINK THAT'S JUST 5,200.
OFFICE FURNITURE EQUIP OFFICE FURNITURE IS ALSO OFFICE FURNITURE.
YOU GOT ABOUT OFFICE FURNITURE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT? NO, THAT'S CONSTABLE CONSTABLE PRECINCT FOUR UNDER NEW EQUIPMENT AND MUCH.
I DOUBT THAT'S THE FIRST YOU WE HAD LINES OF EQUIPMENT THAT COULD BE, YEAH, BUT HE ASKED US TO MAKE THAT CORRECTION.
WELL YOU GOT IT UNDER NEW EQUIPMENT.
IT SHOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT LINE.
THEY DON'T HAVE MANY LINE ITEMS IN THEIRS.
PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, AS AS CONSTABLES, THEY DON'T HAVE VERY MANY LINE ITEMS. A UNIFORMS SUPPOSED TO GO UNIFORM.
CAN YOU PULL UP CITY BANK? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT 4 0 4 90 WAS FOR.
THAT'S ALL I IT SHOULD HAVE IT ON THERE.
COPY OF THE RECEIPT OR SOMETHING? NO, SHE DOESN'T SCAN THE RECEIPTS IN.
SHE SCANS THE MAIN COPY THAT SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING.
WHO DOES THAT? I WANT IT CORRECTED.
IT'S IN THE, WE KEEP A COPY OF THE RECEIPT.
BUT I'LL TELL HER TO START SCANNING IT THEN.
WE'LL GET YOU A COPY OF IT AND EMAIL IT TO YOU.
THAT LOOK A LITTLE ODD THAT UM, IT WOULD BE UNDER NEW EQUIPMENT BANK.
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FOR OFFICE FOR SURE.HE'S HE'S GONNA FIND OUT AND WE'LL CHECK IT AND LET YOU KNOW.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME ON PAGE 10 IS THE CANINE MAINTENANCE COULD 36 0 2 18
THOSE ARE PROBABLY ALL THE, UH, SHOTS AND STUFF FOR THE CAN NINE UNITS OR YEARLY MAINTENANCE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DOLLARS WORTH OF SHOTS.
AND WE OFF THE TOP OF THE BUY EQUIPMENT, GUNS AND HOLSTERS AND THINGS.
THIS WAS, UH, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT RIGHT.
RIGHTERS, I HAVE TO GET THE SPECIFICS FROM SPELMAN.
UM, THERE'S SOME MISCOMMUNICATION WITH THE, THE INVOICES THAT THEY, THAT WE GIVE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND THERE HAD BEEN MONTHS THAT HADN'T BEEN INVOICES HADN'T BEEN PAID 'CAUSE WE HADN'T RECEIVED THEM IN OUR OFFICE.
THE NEW BILL WAS $4,077 AND 84 CENTS WRITTEN AT THE TOP.
BUT WE'VE BEEN PAYING SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS FOR CANINE DRY SENIORS IN THE PAST.
UM, PULL UP THE VET THING AND SEE, WELL NOW SOME OF THOSE, WE'VE SEPARATED IT, UH, SPILL IN MADE TWO ACCOUNTS.
ONE FOR THE CANINE UNITS THAT USE FOR THE DRUG DOGS AND THINGS AND ONE FOR THE OTHER.
UH, WHEN THEY KICK UP THOSE ANIMALS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
BEFORE TODAY THERE WAS AN INVOICE PAID BACK IN JANUARY 13TH FOR $157 90 CENTS.
AND BEFORE THAT, THE LAST ONE WAS PAID IN SEPTEMBER 23RD FOR 130.
DECEMBER HAD DONE A BILL FOR EIGHT MONTHS ALMOST.
SO HE HASN'T BEEN RECEIVING THEM AT OUR OFFICE.
Y'ALL VISIT INGS COUNTRY STORE AND VETERINARIANS, YOU NEED TO TELL 'EM THAT THEY OUGHT TO BUY SOME SOFTWARE AND DO THEIR BILLINGS CORRECTLY.
WELL EITHER THAT OR THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, REQUIRE THE SERVICES NEED TO BRING A RECEIPT BACK AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY THAT'S IN CHARGE.
SHOULD BE TURNED INTO THE AUDITOR OF THE PURCHASING AGENT.
SHOULD THEY NOT OBJECT? I DON'T SEE THE BILL, BUT UH, THEY'VE GOT A BLANKET BILL.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY, WHY? WELL, BEAVERS OVER IS OVER THE JAIL PART.
IT'S NOT OVER THE OTHER PART OF IT.
SO SOMETIMES THAT CAUSES CONFLICT IF HE HAS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
IS THE CANINE CONSIDERED PART OF, I GUESS IT'S PART OF THE JAIL.
NO, THAT'S PART, THAT'S BEMAN IN THE YEAH.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
SO LIKE THEY NEED TO GET ON THE STICK WITH THE BILL PLAN AND THE RECEIPT.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PAY 'EM IF YOU DON'T GET 'EM.
AND UH, YEAH, I SAID THERE A WHILE BACK WE WOULD BE IN TROUBLE IF WE HELD RECEIPTS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS.
UH, I PUT OUT ON MY AUDITOR'S LISTERV AND UH, BECAUSE OF ALL THE QUESTIONS AND UNTRUST I GAVE Y'ALL ACCESS TO MY FINANCIAL SOFTWARE.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
THERE'S NOT A STAFF WHO'S SAYING I HAVE TO, I'M GONNA LET YOU KEEP IT.
SO YOU HAVE THAT COMFORT FEELING THAT I'M DOING MY JOB, BUT I DON'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TO.
IS KW STILL THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE SDW? YES.
I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ADMINISTRATOR.
I WAS ADMINISTRATOR MANY YEARS AGO.
DID THAT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD HANDLE BEING ADMINISTRATOR OF STW SOFTWARE SYSTEM? WE'RE WE'RE THE TECHNICAL CONTACT, BUT WE DON'T WANT OUR HANDS ANYWHERE NEAR THE COOKIE JAR.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S CHECKS AND BALANCES.
I MEAN, NOTHING AGAINST KW I'M JUST SAYING IS, IS THAT NOT PROPER CHECKS AND BALANCES? POSSIBLY.
COUNTY HONORS POSITION BY STATE STATUTE IS TO BE THE COUNT, THE BALANCE BETWEEN, UM, THOSE ARE THE FINANCIAL SOFTWARE AND
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WE'RE GONNA STAY IN CONTROL OF THAT PART OF IT.YEAH, I WOULD, UH, THE MORE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO IT, I GUESS THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT BE IN HACK IT.
OUR COMPUTERS ARE ENCRYPTED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TRANSFER PAYROLL TO THE BANKS AND STUFF.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY CAN HACK THAT IN SOMEBODY'S MONEY OR PLAY WITH THE COUNTY'S MONEY.
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN
ANDW CAN VERIFY WHO DID IT WHEN THEY DID IT, WHAT DATE THEY DID IT.
DID IT HOLD THOSE RECORDS INDEFINITELY OR INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU GET IN THERE, WE KNOW WHEN YOU GOT IN THERE AND ONCE YOU AND WHAT YOU CHANGED, EVERYBODY EVEN IF GOES IN THERE.
JAMES SOMETHING YOU CAN GO ON THERE AND SEE THE NAME, THE USER CODE, TIME, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING IS TIMESTAMPED.
WELL WE WANT MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS TAKEN CARE OF AND THERE'S NO MONEY BUSINESS THAT GOES ON.
SO READ ONLY ACCESS IS ALL YOU CAN HAVE.
I WOULDN'T WANT THE ABILITY TO ADD DIRECT ANYBODY.
ALRIGHT, I GOT A MOTION TO, UH, PAY THE BILL FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE TO HAVE A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER FOR MANNING SECONDS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.