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           COUNTY COMMISSION COURT. 
          TODAY IS, UH, MONDAY, JULY THE 21ST. 
          UH, WE'RE MEETING IN SPECIAL SESSIONS TODAY AT ONE O'CLOCK IN OUR REGULAR MEETING ROOM. 
          UH, THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT HERE IN A MOMENT, WE HAVE SOME SIGN IN SHEETS, UH, THERE FOR YOU, UH, BY WHERE THE SHERIFF IS SITTING. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL HEAR FROM YOU AT THAT TIME. 
          IF YOU HAVE AN ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, YOU CAN, UH, UH, SIGN UP AND, UH, BE SURE TO TELL US WHICH ITEM IT'S THAT YOU WANNA, UH, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, DISCUSS AS WELL. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER SHANE, IF YOU GOT YOUR BREATH. 
          I GOT MY BREATH. 
          UH, YOU GIVE OUR INDICATION, AND IF YOU WOULD, GRACIOUS FATHER COME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BLESSINGS THAT YOU BLESS US WITH EACH DAY. 
          WE ASKED YOU TODAY TO DOES OUR COURT AS WE DO OUR BUSINESS OF OUR COUNTY. 
          WE JUST ASK YOU TO LOOK UPON OUR, UH, EMPLOYEES ALSO, AND, UH, BE WITH THEM. 
          WE ASKED YOU TO BE WITH OUR TROOPS OR IN HARM'S WAY, AND THAT YOU BLESS EACH ONE. 
          BRENDAN , YOU ALSO IN YOUR SON'S NAME, AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          LEGISLATION FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS WHEN ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE, EVERYTHING JUSTICE, ALL HONOR, HONOR, TEXAS FLAG TO BE TEXAS. 
          ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          CHAIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE HAVE THREE, UH, FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, UH, COURT. 
          UH, IS IT RELATED TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? UH, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, THE, UH, RESOLUTION? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, MR. HALL, THAT'S YES. 
          SAME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SAME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT AGENDA ITEM UP SO THAT IN CASE YOU, UH, UH, WISH TO LEAVE THAT YOU WON'T BE, UH, SITTING AROUND FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO DO THAT. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MENTION OF THE FACT THAT THE COURT HAS RECEIVED, UH, SOME SAMPLE RESOLUTIONS FROM OTHER COUNTIES. 
          UH, WE HAVE LOOKED THAT, AND, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, PROVIDED COPIES OF A RESOLUTION THAT, UH, THE COURT IS CONSIDERING ADOPTING, UH, MR. LONG, I KNOW WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM YOU RIGHT BEFORE, UH, UH, LUNCH AROUND 11 THIS MORNING, WHERE YOU EXPRESSED SOME, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT WAS LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF, UH, JOHN, ABOUT, ABOUT THAT, OR JOHN, IF YOU CARE TO HAVE ADDRESS THAT CERTAINLY NOW TIME. 
          NO, I, I, I THINK I ADDRESSED IT IN, IN THE, ONE OF THE COURT. 
          I JUST, UH, I HAD, UH, A COUPLE CONCERNS. 
          UH, THE FIRST THING THAT, UM, WOULD THE PUBLIC HAVE NOTICED THAT THIS DISCUSSION, I'VE DEALT WITH IMMIGRATION BECAUSE THOSE WORDS WERE NOT USED. 
          AND IN FAIRNESS, IT SAYS HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS SHOTS, IF IT MEANS ROADS THAT ARE DANGEROUS OR WHAT IT MEANS. 
          AND SO, UH, I, I HAD THAT OVERRIDING CONCERN, AND THEN I HAD SPECIFIC CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, DRAFT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE PACKAGE. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND I EXPRESSED THOSE TO THE COURT, BUT I HAVE SEEN SOMETHING THAT COUNTY CLERK HAS SHOWN ME, SOMETHING APPEARS THERE'S A MODIFIED VERSION OF THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED. 
          I, I THOUGHT YOU HAD COPIES. 
          I, I, I HAD SEEN, UM, UM, ANOTHER ONE THAT HAD BEEN, I THINK AS PART OF THE PACKAGE FROM GALVESTON COUNTY, RIGHT? YEP. 
          AND THEN I SUBSEQUENTLY HAD SEEN ONE, UH, I THINK FROM TOM GREEN COUNTY, AND THEN ONE FROM JIM ALLISON, AND THEN A COMBINATION OF, OF JIM ALLISON AND TOM GREEN COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WHICH, IN FAIRNESS TO GALVESTON, KIND OF MIRRORS THE LANGUAGE OF GALVESTON COUNTY SOMEWHAT. 
          AND, AND I THOUGHT THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE PROPOSED ORDER AND ORIGIN OF 
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THE, I I THINK THEY'RE, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE DO WHAT YOU WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE LAWYER, , DO WHAT YOU WANT. 
          UH, I SUPPOSE IF SOMEONE WANTED TO CHALLENGE US ON THE LISTING OF THAT, WE COULD ALWAYS COME BACK AND REPOST IT ANOTHER TIME. 
          AND, UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. 
          BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE COULD REPOST IT AND GO FORWARD. 
          UH, FOR MY PURPOSE, I HAD, I, AND THE COURT AGREES THAT JUST TO SIMPLY GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, IF THAT'S AGREEABLE WITH EVERYBODY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE THREE PEOPLE. 
          UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE HAD A COPY DECEIVED THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION THAT THE COURT HAS. 
          UH, WE'VE MADE A FEW EXTRA COPIES, I THINK, HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAS, BUT AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON MR. MYERS TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS MORE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, UH, SAY AS IT RELATES TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT THAT HAS NOW BEEN MOVED TO THE TOP OF THE AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND WHAT I'M BRINGING TODAY IS JUST, UH, ITEMS OF PUBLIC AWARENESS AND, UH, UH, ALONG, AND I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE, THE RESOLUTION THAT COLTON COUNTY HAS HAS, UH, PRESENTED. 
          BUT I DO KNOW THAT I DID TALK WITH THE, UH, OFFICIALS DOWN IN LEAGUE CITY, AND THEY DID HAVE THEIR LAWYERS LOOK THROUGH IT, AND, UH, AND THEY WERE HAPPY WITH IT. 
          THERE WAS A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN JUST A LITTLE BIT VAGUE IN A WAY, BUT THEY WERE VERY HAPPY WITH IT. 
          AND, AND SINCE THEN, THERE HAS BEEN OTHER COUNTIES, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, KIRK COUNTY, SMITH COUNTY, OTHER COUNTY, THEY'RE ALL, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NOW THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING ON BOARD WITH RESOLUTIONS. 
          AND LIKE YOU SAY, THEY'RE CUSTOMIZE 'EM IN A LITTLE BIT IN THEIR OWN WAY. 
          BUT BASICALLY IT'S TO SAYS THE SAME THING. 
          THAT, THAT WE ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BRINGING CHILDREN INTO OUR COUNTY. 
          THAT MAY BE DISEASED, THAT MAY BE GANG MEMBERS, THAT MAY BE CARTEL. 
          MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT, YOU'RE SEEING ON TV, YOU'LL SEE THREE AND FOUR, 5-YEAR-OLD KIDS AND SO FORTH. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 5% OF THE KIDS. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THESE KIDS ARE 15 THROUGH 18 AND A LOT. 
          AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT TELLING YOU IS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS COME ACROSS A 23-YEAR-OLD AND COME ACROSS THE BOARD AND SAY, I'M 15 YEARS OLD. 
          WELL, THEY'RE NOT CHECKING, THEY'RE JUST, UH, JUST PUTTING IT ON RECORD. 
          BUT ANYWAY, NOW THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTY THAT REALLY, AND THE OTHER DAY I WAS GOING FROM, FROM, UH, UH, KALIN COUNTY TO VAN Z COUNTY, AND I GOT INTO A CARAVAN OF, OF, OF THESE KIDS BEING TRANSPORTED FROM WHEREVER DFW POSSIBLY TO SOMEWHERE IN EAST TEXAS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          AND ALSO, I HAVE ANOTHER POINT, AND, UH, THE SHERIFF, I NEED TO NEED, LET THE SHERIFF KNOW THIS, THE SHERIFF OF KE COUNTY, UH, THERE WAS, THERE WERE, THERE WERE KIDS DEPOSITED DOWN IN KIRK COUNTY AND, UH, JUST OUTSIDE OF VILLE UP ON THE GUADALUPE RIVER AT A CAMP. 
          AND NOBODY MADE THE SHERIFF AWARE THAT THESE KIDS WERE THERE. 
          THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS JUST BRINGING IN PEOPLE AND DROPPING 'EM AS THEY DO IN, IN, IN, IN, UH, IN ARIZONA. 
          THEY'RE TAKING 'EM TO THE BUS STATION AND JUST LETTING 'EM OUT. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. 
          WE DON'T NEED THIS PEOPLE, THESE KIDS ARE COMING TO SCHOOLS NEAR US IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKING UP DESKS OF OUR KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS. 
          WE NEED TO BE VIGILANT AND, AND WATCHING OUT FOR WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND MOST IMPORTANT, LET ME CLOSE WITH THIS. 
          THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OFFERING A LOT OF MONEY TO COUNTIES TO TAKE THESE KIDS IN DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, TO TAKE THESE KIDS A LOT OF MONEY. 
          LET ME IMPLORE YOU AT THIS TIME, DON'T TAKE THE MONEY. 
          I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS. 
          WHEN YOU TAKE THE MONEY, THE GOVERNMENT SETS THE HOOK. 
          THEY GOT YOU. 
          SO WE REALLY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC AWARENESS EVENTS. 
          WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          WE NEED TO INVITE THE PUBLIC TO LISTEN TO WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AS WE HEAR THIS, IF ANY OF YOU COMMISSIONERS OR IF ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM HEARS ABOUT SOMETHING, IT'S IMPORTANT NOW THAT WE BRING THIS BEFORE OUR, OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YOU BET. 
          NEXT IS  THAT BEGIN WITH, SIR. 
          OBJECTION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR LETTING COME BACK AGAIN AND TALK TO YOU. 
          AND I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP THIS INTEREST THAT YOU CALL THIS MEETING 'CAUSE I INTENDED TO COME TALK TO YOU ANYHOW, BECAUSE THIS PAST WEEK I WAS AT THE BOARD. 
          I WENT DOWN THERE TO, TO SEE FOR MYSELF TO TALK TO THE FOLKS AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU FROM FIRSTHAND OF WHAT I OBSERVED, WE ARE HEARING A SMALL SMIDGET OF WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING DOWN THERE IN THIS SITUATION. 
          I JUST BRING TO BRING THE INFORMATION 
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SO THAT WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR THE CITIZENS OF, OF THE DISTRICT. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF OUR, WHAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS BEING OVERWHELMED MORE THAN WHAT WE EVEN REALIZE. 
          IT IS UNOFFICIALLY TALKING TO THE TROOPS THAT ARE DOWN THERE WORKING, THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD TO BRACE THEMSELVES THAT THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY, THAT THIS WAS AS OF WEDNESDAY WHEN I WAS THERE, APPROXIMATELY 300,000 THAT THEY'VE OBSERVED EN ROUTE FROM SOUTHERN MEXICO HEADING TO THE BORDER. 
          AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT AT LEAST 900,000 BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          WE HAVE THIS, THE, THE FACILITIES DOWN THERE ARE NOW OVERWEIGHT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE OVERWHELMED AND THEY'RE STARTING TO MOVE 'EM THROUGH THERE WITH, WITHOUT PROPER, UH, PHYSICAL CHECKS FOR, FOR HEALTH. 
          THEIR PHYSICAL CHECKS NOW HAVE, HAVE DEGENERATED TO A, A ONE PAGE QUESTIONNAIRE BEING ADMINISTERED BY A BORDER PATROL AGENT THAT ASK 'EM A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE NOT HEALTH OFFICIALS. 
          THESE ARE JUST BORDER PATROL FOLKS OR CUSTOMS ASKING QUESTIONS DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER THEY GIVE. 
          THEY CLEAR 'EM TO GO THROUGH AND THEY SEND THEM ON. 
          THEY'RE EITHER PUT THEM ON AIRPLANE, PUT THEM ON A BUS, OR TAKING 'EM SOMEWHERE. 
          AND, BUT THE FACILITIES BEING USED ARE BEING OVERWHELMED AND THEY'RE STARTING TO MOVE OUT NOW INTO OTHER PLACES TO FIND PLACES FOR THEM. 
          AND WE COULD BE FACED WITH THAT, JUST BEING WHERE WE ARE HERE IN TEXAS IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE BYPASSING, UH, GOING ON BEYOND TEXAS, BUT HERE IN TEXAS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING 'EM, THERE'S NOT GOOD HEALTH CHECKS. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A SERIOUS PROBLEM. 
          AND WHAT, UH, MR. MYERS HAD TO SAY, THE SO-CALLED CHILDREN PIECE OF THIS IS, IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. 
          AND EVEN WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE NUMBERS INCLUDES WHAT ARE YOUNG ADULTS? THEY'RE DEC DECLARING THEMSELVES TO BE 15 WHEN THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY, OR COULD, CAN BE 17, 18, 19 UP TO 25 YEARS OLD OR IN THIS GROUP AND THE OFFICERS DOWN THERE, THIS AGAIN IS OUTSIDE THE LINE OF, OF OFFICIAL TOUR SAYING THERE ARE A LOT OF GANG MEMBERS IN THERE, WHAT'S COMING THAT ARE BEING INCLUDED IN THE SO CALLED CHILDREN THAT ARE GETTING INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING RECRUITED. 
          BUT THE LARGE NUMBERS, 300,000 NOW, 900,000 BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF AND, AND NOT GET OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE GET OUR COMMUNITY OVERWHELMED IN, IN ANY WAY AT ALL. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT IF IT HAPPENS, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF KAMAN COUNTY OR ANY PART OF OUR DISTRICT. 
          AND WE DO HAVE SOME CONTROL THAT WE CAN EXERCISE, BUT JUST BE AWARE. 
          I JUST WANT TO COME AND, AND, AND TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT I SAW. 
          THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT HEARSAY. 
          THIS IS NOT INTERNET. 
          THIS IS NOT EMAILS. 
          I'M TELLING YOU I WAS THERE AND I SAW IT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE TIME. 
          AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ANYMORE, THERE'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, LOT MORE IF YOU TALKED ABOUT, I'D BE GLAD TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT, MR. OFIELD, I HAVE AN RONNIE OLDFIELD. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          THE CURRENT CRISIS, UH, IS SIGNIFICANT AND IS A CRISIS. 
          BUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS A PROPERLY FUNCTIONING IMMIGRATION PROCESS THAT WAS LAST UPDATED OF APPROXIMATELY 1986 WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE I NINE AND EMPLOY. 
          AND, UM, AND VERIFICATION WAS PUT ON EMPLOYERS. 
          KAUFFMAN COUNTY NOW HAS A SUBSTANTIAL POPULATION OF, OF CITIZENS, OF, OF NON-CITIZENS WHO ARE CHOOSING TO IGNORE THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROCESS BY CHOOSING TO IGNORE THAT THEY ARE SUBJECTING THEMSELVES TO LOWER WAGES, LACK OF HEALTHCARE BENEFITS, LACK OF THE ABILITY TO PROPERLY FUNCTION IN OUR SOCIETY. 
          SO MY ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TODAY IS THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT USES ITS POWER AND INFLUENCE TO COMPEL THE IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO STATION ON A RECURRING SIGNIFICANT, CONSTANT BASIS, IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS THAT CAN ACCEPT AND PROCESS AND APPROVE PERMANENT RESIDENCY APPLICATIONS. 
          THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT EXISTS. 
          THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT PROPERLY FUNCTIONS AND IT MAY NOT FUNCTION THE WAY WE DESIRE IN TERMS OF SPEED. 
          MY BROTHER'S WIFE IS FROM THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, UH, A, A VERY PROMINENT CITIZEN THERE. 
          MY BROTHER'S A PROMINENT CITIZEN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HE LIVES IN, IN WESTERN OKLAHOMA, AND IT TOOK HIM MORE THAN TWO YEARS TO OBTAIN TRAVEL DOCUMENTS 
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FOR HIS WIFE AND HIS STEPDAUGHTER. 
          UH, A GENTLEMAN THAT IS A FRIEND OF CLIENT OF MINE, A FORMER CLIENT OF MINE, I'VE SOLD MY BUSINESS, UPSTANDING CITIZEN, HAS MORTGAGES ON TWO HOMES, HAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN THAT ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS. 
          IT TOOK HIM FOUR YEARS TO HAVE HIS PAPERWORK PROCESSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          SO THE POSITIVE, UPBEAT, AND CONSTRUCTIVE IMPACT ON KAUFMAN COUNTY IS TO BE PROACTIVE AND REQUIRE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAKE IT POSSIBLE IN A RELATIVELY EASY PROCESS IN TERMS OF GEOGRAPHIC AND TIME FOR OUR NON-CITIZENS THAT RESIDE IN THIS COUNTY. 
          TO BECOME PROPERLY DOCUMENTING PERMANENT RESIDENCIES, THIS WILL HAVE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS, BOTH LEGAL AND ILLEGAL IN KAMAN COUNTY. 
          I THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, GENTLEMEN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, UH, YOU, UH, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THE PROPOSAL RESOLUTION. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE NOT VOTED ON IT, BUT WE LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE COMBINED A COUPLE OF, UH, RESOLUTIONS FROM OTHER COUNTIES AND THEN YOU'VE SEEN OTHERS AS WELL. 
          I THINK EVERYONE I RECEIVED, I'VE TRIED TO FORWARD ONTO, UH, THE ONE THAT, UH, I HAVE IS, UH, UH, ACTUALLY A, A COMBINATION OF ONE FROM TOM COUNTY AND JIM ALLISON, IT MAY HAVE SOME OTHER, OTHER COUNTIES THERE. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT ANY OF THAT BEFORE OUR MEETING? WILL THIS, WILL THIS RESOLUTION BE SUBMITTED TO THE LEGISLATURE? UH, I THINK WE WILL SUBMIT IT. 
          TYPICALLY, WE WOULD SUBMIT IT TO THE LEGISLATURE AND OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM, UH, JOHN LONG TALKING ABOUT, UH, THAT THE GALVESTON RESOLUTION IS NOT BEFORE THE COURT, AND IT'S A BETTER RESOLUTION. 
          UH, I'D LIKE FOR HIM TO SPEAK TO THAT AND TELL US THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO A RESOLUTION, LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC, UH, GETS THE RIGHT THING. 
          UH, DID YOU READ THE TOM GREEN RESOLUTION? I DID. 
          I DID. 
          AND THE TOM GREEN AND, AND THE, UM, THE ALLISON WAS A, A SHORTER VERSION, AND THEN TOM GREEN HAD, UH, A COUPLE MORE PARAGRAPHS, BUT REALLY IT ECHOED, UM, THE, UH, THE, WHAT WHAT I THOUGHT WAS CONTENT OF THE GALVESTON AND, AND THE DIFFERENCE, UH, UH, I I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENCES THAT, THAT THE JUMP OUT AT MAY POSE. 
          ONE, OUR COUNTY HAD LANGUAGE IN THEIR, UH, DEMAND. 
          THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE CAN REQUIRE CERTAIN ACTIONS OF THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. 
          AND I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE COUNTY DEMANDING SOMETHING OR REQUIRING SOMETHING THAT THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE LEGALLY YOU CANNOT DO THAT. 
          THE WAY IT WAS PHRASED IN GALVESTON WAS THAT IT WOULD ENCOURAGE, AND IT WAS, IT WAS, IT, IT WAS NOT TRYING TO SET SOME LEGAL BOUNDARY ON HIM, BUT RATHER, THIS IS OUR DIRECTION, THIS IS OUR OPINION. 
          AND, AND SO, UM, SO, SO IT MADE MORE SENSE TO ME. 
          AND THE OTHER CONCERN I HAD WAS THAT IN THE DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US, THAT I SAW THAT WAS, UM, AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW, BUT HAD IN THEIR SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION ABOUT REFUSING TO COOPERATE WITH FEDERAL OFFICIALS OR INSTRUCTING AGENCIES TO DO THAT. 
          AND AS SOMEONE IN THE DA'S OFFICE, I HAD SPOKEN WITH THE DA ABOUT THIS, SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN POSITION OF, OF ENCOURAGING ANYTHING THAT REFUSES, UH, COOPERATION WITH FEDERAL OFFICIALS. 
          EVEN IF WE DISAGREE WITH IT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN THAT POSITION. 
          AND THE WAY IT'S ADDRESSED IN HERE, UH, AND AND MODIFIED VERSIONS IS THE STATING THE PROCLAMATION THAT IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY. 
          THE STATES ARE THE SAME THINGS, BUT INSTEAD OF STATING THAT THERE'S MANDATES, IT STATES THAT THIS COLLECTIVE OPINION OF THE COURT AND REFLECTS WHAT, WHAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, JUST BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD KIND KEPT UP WITH OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, THAT TOM GREEN COUNTY RESOLUTION, UH, TOOK PORTIONS OF, OF THE GALVESTON COUNTY, UH, RESOLUTION AS WELL AS SOME OTHER COUNTIES TO KIND OF PUT IT, KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER. 
          IF, IF, IF THE COURT HAS BEFORE IT, THE RESOLUTION THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT HAS, UM, IT, IT'S THREE PAGES AND IT HAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SECOND PAGE. 
          NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT MP COUNTY FINDS THAT THE HOUSING IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC, AND THEN IT GOES ON WITH THAT, THAT SEEMS TO MIRROR THE TOM. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH 
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THOSE, SO, OKAY. 
          BUT THAT REFLECTS THE, THE CONSENSUS OF COURT. 
          YOU ACT ON IT. 
          MY CONCERN IS JUST I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THE COURT ORDER SOMETHING, BUT I COULD NOT ENFORCE, WOULD BE SEEN AS AND NOT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T HAVE A CLINICAL DISAGREEMENT, IT'S JUST I WANT REWARD TO HAVE, UH, THE FULL FORCE TO FIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S THE REASON WE WANT YOU TO, TO LOOK AT IT TO SEE, AND I APPRECIATE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, BUT THE THINGS YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SEEMS TO BE RESOLVED WITH THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? I, UH, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH ALL THE, THE, UH, RESOLVES IN THIS THING. 
          HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FROM THE TABLE THIS, UNTIL IT'S POSTED PROPERLY FOR OUR ATTORNEY'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, SECURITY BE A VIOLATION OF OPEN MEETINGS ACT. 
          I WOULD, LIKE I SAY, IT'S NOT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S POSTED IT PROPERLY AND I WILL SUPPORT IT THEN. 
          BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M GONNA OBTAIN ON  PER OUR ATTORNEYS, THIS IS A WALKING FORM FOR SOMEONE TRIES TO BUILD SUPPORT FOR AN ITEM OUTSIDE THE NOTICE OF HEARING UPON WHAT'S REQUIRED BY MEANS. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO I AGREE WITH IT DEPARTMENT. 
          JOHN, DO YOU, UH, HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? I TALKED WITH JUDGE WILEY BEFORE WE CAME OVER. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SHE FELT LIKE THAT THE POSTING WAS OKAY. 
          UH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN TIGHTER. 
          PERHAPS THE WORDING COULD HAVE BEEN TIGHTER, BUT SHE DID NOT INDICATE TO ME THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PULLED. 
          BUT I MAY KNOW, I MEAN, SHE MAY HAVE SENT TATTOO YOU OR SOMETHING. 
          I'M NOT SURE SHE DID. 
          YES. 
          AND AND SHE HAD TOLD ME, SHE SAID, EXPRESS HER OPINION AND THEN TELL THE DO DO WHATEVER YOU FEEL CALLED TO DO. 
          AND THAT A, A LITTLE TWEAK IS THAT THE, IT APPEARS THAT THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU VOTED ON NOW IS NOT THE ONE THAT WAS PUT ON THE, UH, AGENDA, THE, THE EARLIER ONE THAT WE LOOK AT THAT WE DID FOR DISCUSSION. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, FRANKLY, I LIKE THIS ONE BETTER. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT. 
          YEAH, I WELL, I DO TOO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG IT. 
          UH, BUT I'LL DO WHATEVER THE COURT WANTS TO DO. 
          IF YOU WANT TAPE IT, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          COME BACK AND PASS THAT LATER AT A LATER TIME WHENEVER WE CLEAN THE, THE WORDING ON THE AGENDA OR, UH, IF, UH, UH, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO. 
          IF YOU WANT, PUT THAT IN FORM  HOW YOU, I MAKE A MOTION AT THE TABLE. 
          HOW WOULD YOU REWORD IT? THE MOTION, I MEAN THE AGENDA. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD, I PROBABLY SEEK ADVICE CASTLE AND SAY, HOW DO YOU WANT TO WORD THIS ON THE OBJECTION? WELL, IT'S ON THE, UH, RESOLUTION TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND SECURITY OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY YOU COULD WORD IT TO I I WOULD, I WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE JUST A SHORT PHRASE, UH, AS IT PERTAINS TO IMMIGRATION POLICY OR IMPLEMENTATION OF IMMIGRATION. 
          JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALERT PEOPLE THAT ADDRESSES IMMIGRATION AND, AND THEN I'D ATTACH THE PROPOSED ORDER BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE THIS WILL BE PASSED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I MEAN, IT IS A SLIGHT MODIFICATION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALERT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE. 
          AND I THINK I ASKED YOU THE QUESTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO BE HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT HERE. 
          I THINK I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER IF FOR SOME REASON WE HAD SOMEONE CHALLENGE US ON THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, IF THERE WAS A QUESTION OR AN OPEN POSTING OF THIS, WE COULD ALWAYS COME BACK AND, AND CLARIFY THAT AT A LATER MEETING. 
          I SUPPOSE THAT'S TRUE. 
          TYPICALLY, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, IT, IT EXISTS TO PROTECT PEOPLE AFFECTED BY IT. 
          AND SO IF SOMEONE FELT LIKE THEY WERE AFFECTED BY IT, YOU, YOU COULD REPOST IT AND, AND THEN SUBMIT IT AND, AND PRE PRESUMABLY APPROVE IT AT THAT TIME. 
          NOW, IF IT WAS SOMETHING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AWARD OF THE BID WHERE YOU WERE TRANSACTING A PIECE OF BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT AND, AND MORE CONCERNING, I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK AND HAVE A SECOND TO SECOND COMMISSIONER, UH, MANNING. 
          SECOND MOTION. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          DO YOU AYE YOU THOSE AGAINST, AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL VOTE. 
          GO AHEAD AND, UH, APPROVE THE MOTION, I MEAN TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WAIT, WHO VOTED WHO VOTED YES. 
          MOTION FAILED. 
          WHO VOTED THE TABLE? COMMISSIONER, UH, ANNIE AND COMMISSIONER CLARK. 
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AND THEN JUST, AND EVERYBODY ELSE VOTED NOT TO TABLE. 
          NO, THERE I BROKE THE TIE. 
          THE OTHER TWO COMMISSIONER, MR. ROSA AND MR. SHANE VOTED, UH, TO, UH, UH, NOT TO TABLE. 
          AND I VOTED TO BREAK THE TIE. 
          AND I WILL SAY AS SOON AS I READ THE RESOLUTION HERE, IF WE NEED TO COME BACK AND REPOST THIS ANOTHER TIME. 
          BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AT A TIME. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS, UH, THAT WE NEED TO WAIT. 
          I RESOLUTION SAYS, SAYS, WHEREAS THE CITIZENS OF COLLIN COUNTY TEXAS RECOGNIZE THEIR DUTY AS LAW ABIDING CITIZENS TO ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE US CONSTITUTION AND THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION, AND ARE ENDOWED WITH RIGHTS TO LIBERTY FOR LIFE AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS WHICH OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN INSTITUTED TO SECURE. 
          AND WHEREAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS FAILING TO PROTECT THE ORDERS OF OUR COUNTRY IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE ONE SECTION EIGHT OF THE US CONSTITUTION. 
          AND WHEREAS IT IS ESTIMATED THAT MORE THAN 9,000 ILLEGAL ALIEN MINORS WILL ARRIVE IN THE UNITED STATES DURING 2014 AND AN ADDITIONAL 145,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS, UH, MINORS DURING 2015, MOST EXPECTED, MOST EXPECTED TO REMAIN IN TEXAS CITIES AND COMMUNITIES. 
          WHEREAS TEXAS GOVERNOR RICK PERRY HAS CONCLUDED BASED ON HIS OVERSIGHT OF EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND HIS COMMUNICATIONS WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES IN THAT CAPACITY, THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS, UH, OPERATING WITH ULTERIOR MOTIVE IN A MANNER THAT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF AMERICAN CITIZENS BY PERMITTING AND ENCOURAGING THE ENTRY OF LARGE NUMBERS. 
          AND WHEREAS OKLAHOMA CONGRESSMAN TOM COLE HAS ACCURATELY CONCLUDED THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ESSENTIALLY IN INCENTIVIZING THE FLOW OF THIS POPULATION BY NOT RETURNING THE UNACCOMPANIED JUVENILES TO THEIR COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN, UH, ORIGINS QUICKLY. 
          AND WHEREAS INCENTIVIZING MINORS TO ENTER THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY PUTS THESE MINORS AT RISK, UH, PHYSICAL DANGER, INCLUDING VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ABUSE, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN INJURY AND DEATH TO MULTIPLE UNACCOMPANIED MINORS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S TRANSPORTING AND PLACING ILLEGAL ALIEN MINORS INTO TEXAS TOWNS AND COUNTIES TO ACCOMMODATE THE UNPRECEDENTED OVERFLOW OF THE ILLEGAL AID UNACCOMPANIED MINORS, THE CURRENT INFLUX OF UNACCOMPANIED MINORS, UH, ACROSS THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE UNITED STATES HAS OVERWHELMED THE CAPACITY OF FEDERAL AUTHORITIES TO PROCESS THESE PERSONS IN, UH, EFFICIENT MANNER. 
          AND WHEREAS FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES A JUDICIAL PROCEEDING TO DETERMINE WHETHER MINORS FROM GUATEMALA, HONDURAS, AND SAN ALGO OR VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING OR GANG VIOLENCE BEFORE DEPORTATION, AND WHEREAS THE HOUSING OF THESE MINORS WHILE AWAITING REQUIRED PROCEEDINGS FOR DEPORTATION MAY SEVERELY STRAIN LOCAL RESOURCES AND IMPOSE AN UNSUPPORTABLE BURDEN OF ALL LOCAL TAXPAYERS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE NEAR THE CARE AND CUSTODY OF THESE MINORS IS, IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHEREAS THE INFLUX OF SCHOOL AGE, UH, ILLEGAL MINORS WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT EDUCATION, FUNDING RESOURCES, CAMPUS SECURITY, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          AND WHEREAS THE US DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HUMAN SERVICES, UH, AND THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION REQUIRE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO RECEIVE A COMPREHENSIVE MEDICAL EXAM AND VACCINATION FOR A WIDE RANGE OF DISEASES. 
          JUDGE, BUT PLEASE, YES. 
          I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          YOU'RE READING FROM SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON, IT'S NOT ON THESE PAGES WE'RE MISSING. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD, RIGHT, JUDGE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THIS IS THE, THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT ONE. 
          THAT'S THE GREEN. 
          THIS IS NOT THE ONE YOU'RE READING, UH, READING CONFINE. 
          THIS IS ONE I'VE GOT RIGHT HERE. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. 
          THAT'S COMBINED WITH, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON, BUT THAT'S NOT IT. 
          I DIDN'T GET THIS RIGHT. 
          NO, THAT'S, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THAT COPY OF THE CORRECT ONE. 
          I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WE HANDED THE RIGHT ONE OUT, BUT EVIDENTLY I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS INTO A HISTORY LESSON FOR STUDY, BUT WE YEAH, MAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BACK TO THE 
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SECOND PARAGRAPH AT THE TOP OF THE SECTION ONE, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE WE GET A COPY OF THE RIGHT ONE. 
          I'LL TELL YOU HERE IN A SECOND. 
          WHEREAS THE INFLUX OF SCHOOL AGE ILLEGAL MINORS WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT EDUCATIONAL FUNDING RESOURCES, CAMPUS SECURITY, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          AND WHEREAS THE US DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION REQUIRE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO RECEIVE A COMPREHENSIVE MEDICAL EXAM AND VACCINATION FOR A WIDE RANGE OF DISEASES. 
          BUT THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE NOT BEING EQUALLY APPLIED TO ILLEGAL ALIEN MINORS BEING ADMITTED TO THE COUNTRY. 
          AND WHEREAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS RECENTLY WARNED THAT BY ADMITTING LARGE NUMBERS OF MINORS WHO COME FROM COUNTRIES WHERE MEDICAL SCREENINGS ARE MINIMAL AND HYGIENE IS POOR, THE UNITED STATES IS AT RISK FOR EPIDEMICS OF SERIOUS DISEASES AND VIRUSES THAT THE NATION HAS NOT SEEN IN YEARS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE INCREASING VOLUME OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IS FINANCIALLY CRI CRIPPLING SOME CITIES AND COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS BY OVERWHELMING THE LOCAL MEDICAL EDUCATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUDICIAL SYSTEMS. AND WHEREAS GOVERNOR RICK PERRY WARNS THAT MEMBERS OF DANGEROUS TRANSNATIONAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS AND TERROR GROUPS CONTINUE TO EXPLOIT THE SITUATION TO INFILTRATE THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING CRIMINAL AND TERRORISTIC UH, TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. 
          AND WHEREAS WITHOUT A SECURE BOARD OF TEXAS, CITIES AND COMMUNITIES CANNOT PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF THEIR CITIZENS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE CITIZENS OF CALIN COUNTY, TEXAS ARE RIGHTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE ONGOING MASSIVE INFLUX OF ILLEGAL ALIENS, AND WHEREAS THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS THE RIGHT AND THE OBLIGATION TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS. 
          AND WITH ARTICLE ONE SECTION ONE OF TEXAS CONSTITUTION, FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE, TEXAS IS A FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATE SUBJECT ON TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR FREE INSTITUTIONS AND THE PERPETUITY OF THE UNION DEPEND, DEPEND UPON THE PRESERVATION, THE RIGHT OF LOCAL SELF-GOVERNMENT UNIMPAIRED TO ALL THE STATES. 
          AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN CAMAN COUNTY TEXAS HEREBY FINDS THAT THE HOUSING OF ILLEGAL ALIEN MINORS IN CAMAN COUNTY IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC, UH, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF KAMAN COUNTY, UH, TEXAS HEREBY URGES OUR STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATORS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO TAKE PROMPT ACTION TO END THE INFLUX OF THE ILLEGAL ALIENS ACROSS OUR NATIONAL BORDER AND CEASE RELOCATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS AND OTHER STATES. 
          THEN FINALLY, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF KAUFMAN COUNTY TEXAS HEREBY ENCOURAGES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR YOU AND OUR EXISTING BORDER PATROL CHECKPOINTS AND EMPLOY A CONTIGUOUS PHYSICAL BARRIER WHERE STRATEGICALLY PRUDENT BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF COFFMAN COUNTY TEXAS HEREBY ENCOURAGES THE TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE TO ENHANCE STATE'S, UH, STATE SMUGGLING AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING LAWS, AND PROVIDE CIVIL AND CRIMINAL LIABILITY PROTECTIONS FOR PROTECT LANDOWNERS AGAINST CRIMINAL TRESPASSES, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED. 
          THE COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION SHALL BE SPREAD UPON THE, WILL BE SPREAD UPON THE MINUTES OF THIS COURT AND PROVIDED TO KAUFMAN COUNTY STATE AND FEDERAL ELECTED LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, UPON MOTION. 
          UH, IF WE DO APPROVE, UH, THIS WILL, UH, BE EFFECTIVE ON THIS THE 21ST DAY OF, UH, JULY, 2014. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, LIK MADE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, SHANE. 
          SECOND MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          I TWO AYE. 
          THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO PASS ON THREE, TWO. 
          AND I THINK THE OBJECTION IS THE LISTING ON YEAH, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN IT. 
          YOU'RE AB EXPANDING RATHER THAN VOTING AGAINST IT. 
          RIGHT? NOT VOTING AGAINST IT. 
          SAME WAY, WAY OPPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE WILL PROBABLY CLEAR THAT UP SO IT PASSES ON A, UH, THREE OLD VOTE WITH TWO ABSTENTIONS AND, UH, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE CORRECT, UH, DOCUMENT OUT CIRCULATED SO EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A COPY OF IT. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR REVIEWING MY READING OF THAT AND UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS. 
          SO DO YOU WANT THINGS THAT ARE WRONG? DO YOU WANT THE BACK IF THEY'RE WRONG, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, HOW WE GOT THAT HANDLED, BUT I'M GONNA ASK ANGIE AS SOON AS EVERYBODY SIGNS THIS TO GO MAKE COPIES 
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OF THE CORRECT ONE THAT WELL, I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO TAKE BACK SO THEY DON'T ACCIDENTALLY GET SCREWED. 
          WELL, THAT'D BE FINE. 
          THE ONES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ARE GONNA HAVE THE SIGNATURES OF THE COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, THOSE ARE ONE THAT WRONG THIS ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO NOT THERE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, YOUR HONOR. 
          AND I'LL GIVE THAT TO ANGIE. 
          GO ASK HER ITEST. 
          RIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RENEWAL FOR COUNTY HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          UH, WE'D ASK OUR HR DIRECTOR TO COME UP AND TALK TO US ABOUT HEALTH BENEFITS FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. 
          HELLO. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, I HAVE GIVEN YOU THREE PAGES OF OUR HEALTH BENEFITS OPTIONS. 
          WE WERE PAGE ONE IS THE INITIAL RENEWAL NOTICE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US FROM TAC WITH AN 8% INCREASE. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          I WAS CONTACTED, WELL IT SAYS THE 8% INCREASE WITH OUR CURRENT RATE AND THE NEW EFFECTIVE RATE WITH THE SAME PLAN THAT WE'RE ON. 
          SO WE HAD HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING THE PLAN AND UM, GOING TO SOME DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE PLANS TO DECREASE THE PREMIUM. 
          IT WOULD INCREASE THE DEDUCTIBLE, INCREASE THE, UM, SOME, UH, COPAYS, FULL PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND YOUR OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES. 
          UM, I WAS CONTACTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO FROM A GENTLEMAN FROM VILLE NORWOOD, HE'S OVER THE HEALTH BENEFITS DEPARTMENT AND THE LADIES THAT CAME DOWN AND SPOKE AT COMMISSIONER COURT ABOUT OUR COUNTY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND OUR RENEWALS AND STUFF, THEY WENT BACK AND TALKED TO HIM AND THEY WERE, HE WAS VERY PLEASED OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING, UM, IN THE COUNTY WITH OUR TOBACCO PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE AND OUR WELLNESS PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND HE WANTED TO REWARD US BY THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BAD YEARS THAT WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR AND SO HE WANTED TO DECREASE OUR RENEWAL RATE BY A PERCENT. 
          AND SO, UM, OUR RENEWAL RATE IS NOW 7%, UM, WITH TAX FOR THE HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          SO THIS PAGE TWO IS UM, WITH THE NEW 7% AT THE CURRENT PLAN. 
          SO IT'S A MINOR DECREASE OF 1%, BUT STILL IT'S SEVEN AND SEVEN EIGHT. 
          SO, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP GOING AND GETTING OUR EMPLOYEES MORE ACTIVE. 
          UM, SO PAGE TWO IS WITH THE RATE INCREASE OF 7% WITH UM, AT OUR SAME PLAN WITH A THOUSAND DOLLARS DEDUCTIBLE, THE 30, THE 3000 OUT POCKET. 
          UM, PAGE THREE SHOWS US A BREAKDOWN OF ALTERNATE PLANS. 
          SO THE, UM, THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT PLANS THERE. 
          THE FIRST COLUMN, THE RENEWAL RATES FOR OUR CURRENT PLAN IS 1200. 
          THAT IS OUR 1200 PLAN WE'RE CURRENTLY IN WOULD BE THE 7 53 86 FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY. 
          THE NEXT UM, PROPOSED PLAN IS 1300, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE DEDUCTIBLE TO 1500 AND EVERYTHING AND THEN INCREASE THE PRESCRIPTION PLAN. 
          UM, A COUPLE DOLLARS DEPENDING ON $5 AND $10 DEPENDING ON THE BRAND NAME OR WHAT PRESCRIPTION YOU GO WITH. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE NEXT PLAN IS THE 1400 AND 1500 THAT INCREASES TO A $2,000 DEDUCTIBLE AND A $2,500 DEDUCTIBLE. 
          SO, UM, HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND SPEAKING WITH D WE'RE STILL HAVING, OF COURSE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE, THAT THE BENEFIT SYSTEM WORKS. 
          BUT WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR SOME BAD YEARS OF SOME UNHEALTHY CLAIMS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF PAY OUT OUR CLAIMS WHERE WE WERE PAYING IN A LOT LESS PREMIUMS AND THEY WERE PAYING OUT FOR UM, CLAIMS. SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE SEEING THE 7% INCREASE. 
          BUT I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES AND WE ARE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD AS COMPARED TO SOME OTHER COUNTIES WITH THEIR RATE INCREASE. 
          UM, OUR PLAN IS, YEAH, OUR PLAN IS NOT AS RICH AS SOME COUNTIES, BUT IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN OTHERS. 
          YES, IT'S, IT IS A PRETTY GOOD PLAN AND WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF KEPT OUR DEDUCTIBLE AROUND A THOUSAND. 
          WE HAVE INCREASED IT. 
          I MEAN LAST YEAR WE INCREASED IT, UM, WAS IT SEVEN 50 LAST YEAR? I THINK IT WAS SEVEN 50 LAST YEAR WHEN WE INCREASED IT TO A THOUSAND. 
          SO WE USUALLY DO PRETTY GOOD. 
          BUT SO THE PLAN THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING THROUGH, SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, IS THIS PLAN, UH, 1300 DASH NGS, IS THAT 
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CORRECT? YES, THAT IS THE FIRST INITIAL ALTERNATE PLAN THEY PROPOSED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT IS A TOTAL OF UH, $716 AND 24 CENTS PER MONTH AS COMPARED TO THE 7 0 4 54 THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. 
          SO IT'S AN INCREASE OF $11 AND 70 CENTS PER MONTH PER EMPLOYEE, WHICH IS ABOUT $140 PER YEAR. 
          AND TOTAL COST ACCOUNT IS AROUND $70,000, WHICH IS A, IF WE STAYED WITH OUR CURRENT PLAN, UM, WE WERE SWITCHING PLANS, WE'RE SAVING ALMOST 37,000. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU PLAN. 
          AND REALLY THAT THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS THE UH, THE DRUG BENEFIT IS A LITTLE LESS, UH, HIGH. 
          I MEAN IT'S, IT'S STILL A GOOD PLAN BUT IT'S A A LITTLE MORE COSTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER WAS BASICALLY THE OUT POCKET I GUESS WAS YEAH, THE DE $5. 
          SO, UH, GENTLEMEN, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? I APPRECIATE HER GETTING A COFFEE. 
          HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO WE HAVE COVERED? WE'VE GOT PROBABLY ABOUT, WE CHANGE EVERY DAY 'CAUSE OUR TURNOVER RATE IS REALLY HIGH, BUT WE'VE PROBABLY GOT ABOUT CLOSE TO 4 65 ISH OF THE EMPLOYEES COVERED. 
          THAT INCLUDES UH, CHILDREN'S SHELTER. 
          NO. 
          YEAH, WELL THE TWO FULL-TIME OUT THERE THAT IT INCLUDES ADULT UH, PROBATION, NOT ADULT PROBATION. 
          IT DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT ABOUT JUVENILE PROBATION? JUVENILE PROBATION, OKAY. 
          THE ADULT PROBATION'S NOT STATE INSURANCE INCLUDES ALL OUR EMPLOYEES, ALL OF OUR GENERAL FUND HAVE CATEGORY EMPLOYEES. 
          AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO WE HAVE THAT WE ONLY HAVE PROBABLY LIKE FIVE OR SIX. 
          AND MOST OF THOSE ARE OVER UM, 65 AND THEY DON'T WANT TO MESS UP THEIR MEDICARE THEY HAVE OR WHATEVER UNTIL THEY CHOOSE TO WAIVE IT. 
          I BE ONE. 
          . 
          YES SIR. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE DON'T LET THE EMPLOYEES WAIVE IT UNLESS THEY CAN PROVE TO US THAT THEY HAVE ANOTHER PLAN IN PLACE, UM, THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM GOING WITHOUT INSURANCE. 
          SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A PLAN, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THEM. 
          WELL I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE TAX OUR RATE BY 1%, I MEAN 1% DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT BUT IT'S YEAH. 
          AND THEY DID THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS WITH OUR HEALTHY COUNTY. 
          YES. 
          AND THEY'VE GOT OTHER COUNT. 
          I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY SEVERAL COUNTIES WHO HEARD ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO GET UM, SOME THINGS IMPLEMENTED IN THEIR COUNTIES AS WELL. 
          NO SMOKING THING I THINK HELPED IN THAT REGARD. 
          YEAH, THE NO TOBACCO. 
          YES, NO TOBACCO POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE STILL COLLECT THE $25 A MONTH AND THAT $25 GOES INTO THE FUND THAT WE USE TO PAY FOR THIS, THIS HEALTH INSURANCE THAT MONEY'S USED TO RETURN THAT. 
          SO THEIR INSTANCE PAYING FOR THEIR PREVIOUS QUE AND LAURA NEEDS ACTION ON THIS TODAY BECAUSE SHE'S GOTTA START GETTING UH, THINGS LINED UP FOR ENROLLMENT AND ALL THAT. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WHY IS THERE A DIFFERENCE SINCE THE DIFFERENCE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE GOT ON THIS LIST VERSUS INSURED? THIS SAYS WE HAVE FIVE 14 EMPLOYEES PROBATION. 
          YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE PART-TIME PEOPLE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THAT LIST THAT ARE STATE EMPLOYEES THAT WE DO NOT PAY JUVENILE, WE PAY 54% AND THEY PAY 46. 
          YOU CAN'T GO BY THAT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. 
          YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT CORRECTLY. 
          I THINK ADULT ADULT PROBATION ON THERE TOO. 
          THAT'S YEAH. 
          JUVENILES ON THERE AND WE, THIS COUNTY PAYS 54% AND THE STATE PAYS 46 40 7% AND STATE EMPLOYEES, WE HAVE UM, DISTRICT JUDGES ON THERE THAT ARE NOT ON OUR INSURANCE ALSO IN THAT NUMBER I ANY OF THE PART-TIME NO, BUT THIS YEAR WE DO 30 HOURS. 
          YES. 
          THIS YEAR A LOOK BACK PERIOD. 
          UM, THERE'S PROB, I WENT TO THE LOOK BACK PERIOD OF JUST WITH THE TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM THAT WE STARTED IN FEBRUARY, WHICH IS WHAT, FEBRUARY SIX MONTHS. 
          SO I DID A LOOK BACK PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS AND WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PART-TIME STATUS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO OFFER THEM HEALTH BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY WORK ON AN AVERAGE OVER UM, 30 HOURS. 
          I'M SURPRISED THERE'S NOT MORE THAN, WELL I DIDN'T GO BACK TO FULL 12 EITHER 'CAUSE I JUST DID A RANDOM QUICK REPORT ON THE TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK IN FULL TIME SHEETS AND CALCULATE. 
          SO THAT WAS GONNA TAKE A REALLY LONG TERM 
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I HAD. 
          SO, BUT THERE ARE GONNA BE, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX THAT WILL END UP HAVING TO OFFER NOW THEY CAN TURN IT DOWN BUT I MEAN THEY COUNT LONG, IT'S FREE. 
          BUT SUBMISSION ANY UM, TELL ME THE COST AGAIN OF THIS REVISED PLAN. 
          THE COST OF THE 1300 PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING TO WILL BE 7 16 24 A MONTH FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY. 
          AND THAT'S ON PAGE THREE. 
          OH YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER STUFF? NO, HERE IT ACTUALLY WAS GONNA BE SEVEN 20. 
          OKAY, SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN? BEFORE THEY DROPPED THE 1% WHEN IT WAS LATE IT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SEVEN 16. 
          I WRITE IT DOWN FOR THE STUFF THAT I HAVE. 
          IT WAS 7 22 I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHENEVER THEY DROP IT 1% THEY DROP IT ABOUT FIVE MONTH. 
          WHICH GOOD. 
          YEAH, VERY GOOD. 
          IT'S ONLY GONNA INCREASE. 
          WHAT I ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK AT IS THE EMPLOYEE PLUS FAMILY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THE EMPLOYEE'S POCKET AND IT'S GONNA INCREASE FOR THEM ABOUT $20 A MONTH OUTTA THEIR POCKET. 
          OTHER QUESTION, 1300 IF IT'S EMPLOYEE ONLY OR EMPLOYEE WITH THEIR FAMILY. 
          BECAUSE THE FAMILY RATE. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE THE FAMILY RATES GO IN. 
          WELL I DIDN'T TAKE THE 7 0 4 AVENUE. 
          DON'T MAKE ME MATH IN MY HEAD. 
          IS THERE NOT A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT DON'T USE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE HARDLY AT ALL. 
          SO THIS DEDUCTIBLE NOT GOING TO AFFECT THEM? OR IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR UM, IF THAT'S WHAT I GET FROM TACK TAXES, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF HEALTHY EMPLOYEES WHO NEVER EVEN TOUCHED THEM. 
          YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE SOME PRETTY UNHEALTHY EMPLOYEES THAT THEY MAY SEE THAT, WELL I'M SAID THIS IS, THIS RATE INCREASE IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          IT AFFECT SOME OF 'EM BUT NOT AFFECT ALL OF 'EM BECAUSE IF WE'RE ONLY RAISING THE DEDUCTIBLE, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T USE THE DEDUCTIBLE, THERE'S NO EFFECT TO 'EM AT ALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WELL IT'S AFFECTING THEIR PRESCRIPTION COVERAGE. 
          SO IF THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, NAME BRAND IT, THEY'RE HAVE TO PAY WELL THEY'RE HELP IF THEY DON'T TAKE PILLS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO THEN AND MOST OF THE TIME, MOST, MOST TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET GENERIC AND THE GENERIC IS NOT CHANGING. 
          THIS LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN SWALLOWED THE 72 $70,000 A YEAR VERSUS THE UH, KNOW TWO OR $300,000 ON THE OTHER ONE. 
          DO I I'M ONLY FAVORABLE 1300 PLANS. 
          SO DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORM, FORM MOTION, EXCUSE ME, THAT WE GO WITH UH, THIS UH, PLAN 1300 UH, MGS FROM TEXAS LOCATION COUNTY. 
          SO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE. 
          I MEAN COMMISSIONER LIK DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK SECOND THE MOTION YOU HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR TO SAY AYE A OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. 
          AND UH, THAT IS ITEM NUMBER TWO TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RENEWAL FOR COUNTY DENTAL BENEFITS. 
          AND THIS IS A, UH, WE DO NOT PAY THIS. 
          NO, THIS IS, THIS IS PAID BY THE EMPLOYEE. 
          EMPLOYEE PAID ONLY. 
          UH, WE STILL WANNA GIVE 'EM A GOOD PLAN THOUGH. 
          AND SO I HAVE SPOKE CURRENTLY WE OFFER METLIFE. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD METLIFE FOR UM, THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH YEAR GOING INTO OUR FOURTH YEAR WITH METLIFE. 
          UM, WE HAD A HUGE THING UH, WHEN WE FIRST SIGNED OUR CONTRACT WITH METLIFE, THEY DID NOT HAVE AN OPEN ENROLLMENT PERIOD. 
          SO LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID OUR FIRST OPEN ENROLLMENT, UM, I GUESS IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR BEFORE WE DID OUR FIRST OPEN ENROLLMENT, THEY UM, A LOT OF EMPLOYEES HAD WAITING PERIODS THAT MESSED UP BECAUSE WE NEVER, WHEN WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WE DIDN'T DO THE OPEN ENROLLMENT. 
          SO WE HAVE FIXED THAT TO NOW WHERE THEY CAN HAVE AN ENROLLED OPEN ENROLLMENT AND THEY WILL NOT HAVE WAITING PERIOD. 
          UM, THE RATES DID NOT INCREASE FOR METLIFE SO IT WOULD STAY THE SAME. 
          RIGHT NOW FOR AN EMPLOYEE ONLY RATE IS $27 84 CENTS. 
          UM, THE, YOU HAVE, THEY HAVE A COPY OF THIS. 
          YOU SHOULD, YES. 
          EVERYBODY SEE THAT? I ACTUALLY FOUND THEM . 
          UM, SO THOSE RATES ARE THE SAME RATES THAT WE CURRENTLY, THAT THE EMPLOYEE CURRENTLY PLACED THIS YEAR. 
          THEY TOLD ME THERE WAS GONNA BREAK IT BE A RATE INCREASE BUT I GUESS THEY UM, CHANGED THEIR MIND AND SO, BUT IN THE MEANTIME I HAD REACHED OUT TO TAC AND I HAD ASKED THEM WHAT THEIR DENTAL PLAN WAS, WHAT THEY WOULD OFFER SINCE THEY'RE A CURRENT PROVIDER, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT FOR BIDS FOR THAT. 
          AND SO I ASKED THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY COULD PUT TOGETHER FOR US. 
          AND ON THE THIRD PAGE WE'LL SEE UM, THE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN THEIR EMPLOYEE ONLY RATE IS $27 AND 6 CENTS. 
          THEY PAY OUT 
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A MAXIMUM ANNUAL BENEFIT OF 1500, WHICH IS A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE THAN THE MAXIMUM DID, EXCUSE ME, MAXIMUM BENEFIT OF METLIFE, WHICH IS 1,250. 
          AND UM, BUT I DID FIND OUT WITH TAC, THE REASON THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR LATE RATE LOW IS THAT THEY DON'T OFFER OPEN ENROLLMENT. 
          SO APPARENTLY THAT'S A COMMON THING WITH DENTAL INSURANCE WHERE YOU DON'T OFFER OPEN ENROLLMENT BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET ON THE PLAN TO GET THEIR TEETH FIXED FOR A YEAR AND THEN MAKE IT OFF, WHICH CAUSES THE RATES TO INCREASE. 
          SO WITH UM, TAG, YOU'RE ABLE TO OFFER AN OPEN ENROLLMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND ALL THE EMPLOYEES ARE ELIGIBLE TO CHOOSE TO GET ON THAT PLAN. 
          AND THEN NEW HIRES ARE ELIGIBLE TO GET ON THE AS WELL WHEN THEY BECOME AN EMPLOYEE, WHEN THEY BECOME A NEW EMPLOYEE. 
          SO YOU CAN STAY ON IT FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT AND YOU CAN CANCEL IT IF YOU NEED TO CANCEL IT. 
          IF YOU HAVE A LIFE CHANGING EVENT, YOU WANT TO ADD FAMILY, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT YOU CANNOT ADD AFTER OPEN ENROLLMENT AND THEN THEY HAVE AN OPEN ENROLLMENT PERIOD. 
          UM, SOMETIMES THREE TO FOUR YEARS DEPENDING ON WHATEVER KIND OF CONTRACT WE SIGN WITH IT. 
          SO THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE RAN INTO WITH METLIFE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. 
          SO GOING INTO THIS PLAN, WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN THE BEGINNING AND LET THE EMPLOYEE KNOW THAT THIS IS A ONE AT TIME ONLY THAT YOU HAVE TO ENROLL IN IT UNTIL THE NEXT SECOND ENROLLMENT, WHICH COULD BE THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONLY DRAWBACK WITH THE GOING WITH THE ATTACK. 
          IT'S CHEAPER, RICHER PLAN. 
          THERE'S MORE PROVIDERS BUT IT'S A ONE TIME. 
          YEAH, I KNOW ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS I'VE HAD ON THE MEDLIFE PLAN IS, IS THAT HARDLY ANYBODY AROUND HERE WAS A PREFERRED PROVIDER. 
          THAT WASN'T WHAT WASN'T WHAT WE THOUGHT WHEN WE WENT RIGHT. 
          AND A LOT OF DENTISTS, UM, LIKE I KNOW FROM MY PERSONAL DENTIST, THEY DON'T TAKE INSURANCE BUT THEY'LL USE IT AS A DISCOUNT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROVIDER BUT THEY'LL USE IT AS A DISCOUNT. 
          SO I STILL GET SOME BENEFIT BUT NOT FULL BENEFIT OF THE COVERAGE. 
          YEAH, I DO. 
          UH, YOU MAY MAY BE IN HERE, BUT WHAT KIND OF PARTICIPATION DO WE HAVE ON THE DENTAL PLAN THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? UH, PROBABLY ABOUT HALF. 
          SO WE GOT A GOOD, GOOD NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. 
          MOST NEW EMPLOYEES TAKE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY GENTLEMEN, WHAT'S YOUR, UH, WHAT'S YOUR PLACE, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? EITHER STAYING WITH MEDLIFE WHICH IS A LITTLE HIGHER, UH, OR GOING WITH PLAN, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER BUT PROBABLY HAS BETTER WE ENROLLMENT WITH NO OPEN ENROLLMENT EXCEPT, I MEAN IT'S OPEN WHENEVER YOU'RE HIRED ONE TIME OR WHENEVER WE, EVERYBODY SIGNS UP HERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT NOW AND EVERY KIND. 
          SO IF THEY DON'T GET IT THIS YEAR, THEY CAN'T COME BACK NEXT OPEN ENROLLMENT SAY I WANT IT NOW. 
          THEY CAN'T GET IT UNTIL WE, WHAT ABOUT IF SOMEBODY SIGNS UP FOR IT THEMSELVES AND THEN THEY COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND SAY, WELL MY WIFE HAS DECIDED SHE WANTS IT AGAIN. 
          THEY HAVE A SPOUSE NOT UNLESS THERE'S A LIFE CHANGING EVENT. 
          SO IF THEY, IF THEIR SPOUSE LOSES COVERAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN THEY CAN YES. 
          BUT IF THEY GET MARRIED OR IF THEY GET DIVORCED OR IF THEY HAVE A CHILD OR WHATEVER THEY CAN, I CAN NOT SOMEBODY THEIR TEETH, THEIR WELL IF IT IS BETTER COVERAGE FOR A CHEAPER PRICE, THE ONLY DRAWBACK IS ENROLLMENT, WHICH I MEAN I DON'T SEE THAT AS LONG AS THE EMPLOYEES KNOW THAT UP FRONT. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT AS A, A NEGATIVE. 
          I THINK THE PROBLEM WAS WITH METLIFE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED WITH OUR CO CONSULTANTS. 
          SO WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT NOT TO OFFER IT. 
          SO THE ONLY THING IS NEXT YEAR WHEN WE GO TO THE OPEN HOMES WE OFFER IT, THEY WON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEIR, THEIR THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS DOLLARS, THEY'RE GONNA GET ON IT FOR YEAR. 
          YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT YOU I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, USE TEXAS ASSOCIATION COUNTY BENEFITS FOR, OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION FROM UH, MR. SHANE THAT WE USE THE THET PLAN FOR DENTAL. 
          UH, DO I HAVE SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED NO, NO. 
          I, YES. 
          WELL YOU'RE, YOU, YOU WERE  IT BUT, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND IT CAUSE THE, CAUSE THE, ALRIGHT ADAM, NEXT ITEM IS UH, TO DISCUSS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, I THINK LAST MEETING DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER CHANGING THE 
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NUMBER OF PAY PERIODS FOR DEDUCTIONS. 
          IT'S FOR DEDUCTIONS, NOT, NOT CHECKS, BUT FOR DEDUCTIONS FROM 26 TO 24. 
          LAURA, YOU WANT TO GO OVER THAT AGAIN? SO EVERYBODY, IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          CURRENTLY WE HAVE 26 PAY PERIODS AND WE DEDUCT, UM, DEDUCTIONS, HARASSING DEDUCTIONS, I MEAN JUST HEALTH, DENTAL, VISION, COLONIAL, ANY SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE WE DEDUCT FROM EVERY CHECK THAT THE EMPLOYEE RECEIVES. 
          SO AT THE END OF THE MONTH WHEN WE CALCULATE IF AN EMPLOYEE HAS PAID FOR THEIR DEDUCTIONS FOR THAT MONTHLY BENEFIT, THEY'RE EITHER UNDERPAID OR OVERPAID OF THAT MONTH FOR THAT DEDUCTION. 
          SO WE'RE EITHER COLLECTING THE MONEY OR NOT COLLECTING THE MONEY. 
          WHEN WE GO AT THE END OF THE MONTH AND WE GO TO PAY THAT BILL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FULL MONTH'S, UM, PREMIUMS TO PAY THAT BILL. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF PAYING IN ADVANCE FOR SOME INSURANCE TO GET THE INVOICE. 
          SO WHEN AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES, WE HAVE TO GO AND RECALCULATE THEIR DEDUCTIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY PAID IN FULL FOR THE MONTHS THAT THEY HAVE THE DEDUCTION BEFORE WE CUT THEM THEIR LAST CHECK, THEY'VE PAID THEIR DEDUCTIONS IN FULL. 
          SO I'M PROPOSING THAT WE CHANGE THIS TO A 24 PAY PERIOD FOR JUST FOUR DEDUCTIONS ONLY AND BOYS WILL STILL RECEIVE THEIR CHECKS EVERY 26 PAY PERIODS. 
          THEY'LL STILL TAKE RETIREMENT OUT OF EVERY 26 PAY PERIODS OF MEDICARE AND TAXES. 
          WHOLE NINE WORKS. 
          THIS IS JUST STRICTLY FOR, UM, DEDUCTIONS THAT WAY AT WHEN THERE'S, YOU PAY $10 A MONTH, YOU PAY $5 FOR TWO CHECKS. 
          THOSE TWO MONTHS THAT WE HAVE, UM, A THIRD CHECK, NO DEDUCTIONS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THAT CHECK FOR HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          SO, UM, IT MAKES OUR LIFE A LITTLE EASIER WHEN CALCULATING MAKES PAYING BILLS A LITTLE EASIER BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT FULL MONTHS TO PAY. 
          WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED IT. 
          'CAUSE THE BENEFITS ARE GOOD WHEN EMPLOYEE LEAVES. 
          THEY PAY FOR A FULL MONTH THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH IN WHICH THEY LEAVE. 
          SO WE ARE, WE WILL COLLECT THAT FULL MONTH'S BENEFIT OUT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAKING SURE WE DIDN'T GET ANY TIME MAKING SURE THEY, SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE TO ISSUE A REFUND. 
          SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE TO COLLECT MONEY SO IT KIND OF MAKES IT A LITTLE MESS AND THIS WILL KIND OF CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, WE DO IT WITH THE ADULT PROBATION ON THE STATE SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE STATE HANDLES IT. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE HANDLE THEIR PICTURE ON OUR SIDE AND IT WORKS FABULOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT REASON IN MIND? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO, I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD HOUSE. 
          IT'S, IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER. 
          ADMINIS EASIER. 
          YEAH, A LITTLE EASIER TO ADMINISTER. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION CONCERNING SAME ON THE, UH, PAY PERIOD, UH, FOR DEDUCTIONS FROM 26 TO 24. 
          SO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ROSA. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER SHANE. 
          SECONDS. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          THOSE OPPOSED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CHANGES TO APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT POLICY. 
          I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A HAND UP FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          I'VE GIVEN YOU ATTACHED THE APPLICATION POLICY, UM, THAT WE CURRENTLY USE. 
          WE KIND OF HAVE A, IN OUR OFFICE WE'VE GOT SO MANY, WE'VE, SINCE WE'VE TAKEN OVER PAYROLL, WE'VE CLEANING UP STUFF AND TRYING TO GET MORE OF A PROCESS IN PLACE, TRYING TO MAKE THINGS EASIER. 
          WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME THAT WE HAVE TO ENTER, UM, EMPLOYEE NEW EMPLOYEES OR TERMINATE EMPLOYEES OR CHANGES FOR EMPLOYEES INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          AND SO FRIDAY AFTERNOON ON FOUR O'CLOCK, IT'S OUR LAST DAY OF PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE DEBBIE'S GOTTA START PAYROLL ON MONDAY. 
          WE GET A PAYROLL CHANGE FORM AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A CHANGE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO PROCESS IT EITHER I'M THE ONLY ONE THERE OR WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE TWO OF US WERE OUT AT TRAINING AND ONE PERSON WAS THERE. 
          SO IT JUST CREATES A MESS IN MY OFFICE. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE NOT NOTIFIED IN ADVANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT EMPLOYEE GETS PROPERLY PAID AT THE TIME OF MANNER. 
          SO I HAD REQUESTED THAT WE KIND OF CHANGE THE APPLICATION POLICY TO WHERE THEY AT LEAST NOTIFY US TWO DAYS PRIOR SO THAT WE HAVE TIME THAT GIVES US TWO DAYS TO PROCESS IT AND ADJUST WHEN THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PROCESSED FOR THE PAY PERIODS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON SCHEDULE WHEN IT AFFECT THEIR CHECK. 
          SO I, I CHANGED THAT, UM, IN THE POLICY. 
          I ALSO WANTED TO PROPOSE THAT WE STARTED REQUESTING DRIVING RECORDS. 
          I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH, UH, TAC AND SOME OTHER COUNTIES, UM, WITH THIS, UH, VEHICLE POLICY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IMPLEMENTED AND WORKING ON. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE STATED IN THE VEHICLE POLICY THAT IF YOU HAVE SO MANY VIOLATIONS OR WHATEVER, IT WON'T BE, YOU CAN'T DRIVE OUR VEHICLE. 
          WELL WE'VE HAD NOTHING IN PLACE THAT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA FIND THAT INFORMATION AND WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THAT INFORMATION TO ENFORCE THAT POLICY. 
          SO I HAVE CONTACTED DPS, WE CAN, UM, RUN, UH, REQUEST DRIVING RECORDS FROM DPS AT NO COST FROM THE COUNTY. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO SIGN THIS, UM, AUTHORIZATION FORM, GET IT TURNED IN, THEN I'D BE ABLE TO RUN A DRIVING RECORD. 
          THEY SAID IT, I CAN GET IT ELECTRONIC FORM WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THEIR DRIVING RECORD. 
          THAT WOULD NOTIFY US IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO, UM, BE COVERED ON OUR INSURANCE. 
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SO I'VE ADDED THAT TO THE POLICY. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE DID I ADD? I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALL KIND OF TO CHANGE THE WORDING A LITTLE BIT TO MEAN THE SAME THING IN SOME OF THE BACKGROUND. 
          UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE GET, I DID ASK THAT WE GET NOTIFIED PRIOR TO WE GET AN EMPLOYEE THAT WALKS IN OUR OFFICE THAT THEY'RE GONNA START TODAY. 
          WELL, WE HAVE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          THERE'S NO APPLICATION, THERE'S NO DRUG TEST, THERE'S NO BACKGROUND. 
          SO WE HAVE TO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO RUN THAT BEFORE AN EMPLOYEE ACTUALLY STARTS, UM, WORKING AS PART OF THE POLICY. 
          AND THAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE. 
          IT JUST WAS NEVER ENFORCED. 
          QUESTION TRIAL. 
          HOW WILL YOU ENFORCE IT? JUST DELAY THE STARTING DATE OF THE FIRST THIRD. 
          YEAH, IF I DON'T, IF I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT TEST FORM OR IF I DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION, I CAN'T START THEM ON THAT DAY AS WELL AS THE PAYROLL CHANGE FORM BECAUSE WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PAY 'EM, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE THE SOMETIMES SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE BUDGETS, WE HAVE WHAT BUDGET THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT OF. 
          AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION, WE'RE SCRAMBLING AROUND AT FOUR O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY BEFORE PAYROLL IS DONE SO THAT IT CAN BE STARTED ON MONDAY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EMPLOYEE GETS IN THERE INCORRECTLY. 
          OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST HAVE TO LAY IT TO THE NEXT PAY UNDER POSTING JOB ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          UM, SECOND PARAGRAPH. 
          ELECTED ELECTED OFFICIAL OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE MUST SUBMIT A COMPLETED JOB ANNOUNCEMENT REQUEST FORM TO THE HR DEPARTMENT. 
          ALL JOB POSTED RESOURCE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'LL BE NO MORE HIRING DIRECTLY OUT OF THE OFFICE. 
          WELL, NO, THIS, THAT HAS NEVER CHANGED. 
          THIS POLICY'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER A YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          THOSE WORDING IS STILL, UM, IF HIRING WITHIN THE OFFICE IS SEPARATE, THEY CAN TRANSFER PEOPLE AND MOVE PEOPLE AROUND. 
          THIS IS STRICTLY, THAT WORDING IS STRICTLY FOR, UM, POSTING A JOB IF THEY WANT TO POST A JOB AND HIRE FROM THE OUTSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SOME DEPARTMENTS STILL, EVEN IF THEY'RE GOING TO HIRE FROM WITHIN, THEY STILL POST IT AND THEN THEY COLLECT APPLICATIONS FROM THEIR CURRENT EMPLOYEES IF THEY WANNA DO IT. 
          THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S, UH, THE DECISION TO THE DEPARTMENT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? EVERYBODY? ALL THESE SUGGESTIONS? I MOTION THAT WE CHANGE THE APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT POLICY FOR LARGE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK. 
          DO WE HAVE SECOND? SECOND? COMMISSIONER MANNING SECOND. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS TO CONSIDER, UH, AND DISCUSS OFFERING ADDITIONAL COMPANIES FOR SUPPLEMENTAL BENEFITS AT OPEN ENROLLMENT. 
          WE, UM, TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME I WAS UP HERE, I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPANIES. 
          Y'ALL KIND OF WANTED TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THOSE COMPANIES ARE AND WHAT THEY OFFER DO THIS PAGE, UM, THE COMPANIES THAT THEY OFFER, THE UM, WHAT, WHAT THERE IS IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO. 
          WE CURRENTLY OFFER COLONIAL. 
          UM, THEY UH, THEY DO A LOT OF STUFF FOR US. 
          THEY CARRY OUR CAFETERIA PLAN. 
          I'M ALSO SETTING UP WITH COLONIAL RIGHT NOW, A NEW BENEFITS ENROLLMENT SYSTEM AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY. 
          THEY, UM, THEY SET UP ALL OF OUR BENEFITS IN A SYSTEM AND THEN THE EMPLOYEE COMES UP AND ENTERS ALL THEIR STUFF AND IT'S RENEWED ELECTRONICALLY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO DO PAPER ANYMORE. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT SYSTEM SET UP FOR THIS OPEN ENROLLMENT. 
          AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COLONIAL OFFERS TO US AT NO CHARGE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN A  SO LONG. 
          I ALSO TALKED TO COLONIAL AND THEY ARE ABLE TO DO, I KNOW ONE OF THE DRAWBACK, ONE OF THE, UH, BENEFITS TO OTHER COMPANIES THAT THEY OFFERED, UM, A GUARANTEED POLICY TO. 
          SO WE MAY HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES THAT ARE UNINSURABLE. 
          THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SICK AND THEY CAN'T GET LIFE INSURANCE. 
          SO A COUPLE OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES, THEY OFFER THESE GUARANTEED POLICIES. 
          SO I JUST WENT TO COLONIAL AND I SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE UM, BEEN WITH YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN OFFER A GUARANTEED POLICY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, UM, THAT ARE UNINSURABLE? AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THEY COULD OFFER THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS GUARANTEED POLICY ON THEIR WHOLE LIFE POLICY, UM, FOR US TO GO TO STAY WITH COLONIAL, THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT BENEFIT FOR US. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT OPEN ENROLLMENT, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND POLICY, THEY CAN, UM, NO QUESTIONS ASKED ON HEALTH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          JUST STRICTLY ON THE WHOLE LIFE POLICY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEY'LL DO WHOLE LIFE POLICY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY'RE GOT SOME CATASTROPHIC DISEASE OR SOMETHING, THEY COULD, UH, GET UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND, HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          UM, WHOLE LIFE 
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INSURANCE. 
          WHOLE LIFE INSURANCE WITH CLOTHING, THEY CAN GET UP TO HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          SO THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OF COURSE. 
          SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          WHATEVER COST, IT'S FOR THEIR AGE OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT WITH COLONIAL TOO, YOU WALK IN THE RATE YEAH. 
          UP TO AGE 100. 
          UM, NO, COLONIAL DOESN'T DO 100. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT IS PRETTY OFTEN. 
          YOU NO, I DON'T, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGE IS UP TO COLONIAL. 
          BUT THAT LIBERTY NATIONAL, THEY OFFER UP 200. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UP TO HUNDRED CINCINNATI. 
          THEY OFFER UP TO, BUT COLONIAL, I DUNNO, I CAN CHECK ON THAT THOUGH, WHAT THEIR AGE IS. 
          AND THIS, UH, LIBERTY NATIONAL ALSO OFFERS IF THE EMPLOYEE WANTS TO PAY FOR IT, THEIR ACCIDENT INSURANCE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          CANCER. 
          YES. 
          UH, CRITICAL ILLNESS, INTENSIVE CARE POLICIES AND ALL THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND , WE OFFER ALL THAT. 
          NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A, A PRIVATE SCHEDULE. 
          IT VARIES BASED ON THEIR, UM, AGE AND NOT ALL COMPANIES GAVE ME THAT AGE. 
          IT VARIES ON THEIR AGE. 
          IT VARIES ON WHAT VARIES. 
          TOBACCO USER, IT VARIES ON SOME HEALTH CONDITIONS. 
          SO IT ALL, IT'S HARD TO JUDGE PRICE IN A GROUP SETTING THAT, SO WE'VE HAD SOME, UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED IN SERVICE AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED WITH THEIR FAMILIES OR RECIPIENTS, SO, OH YEAH, IT'S, UM, AND COLONIAL, I MEAN, THEY HAVE LIKE AN ACCIDENT POLICY. 
          THEY HAVE A CANCER POLICY. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE, IF YOU GO FOR LIKE YOUR, I THINK IT'S JUST YOUR A SCREENING EVERY YEAR AND YOU HAVE THE CANCER POLICY, THEY'LL PAY YOU A HUNDRED DOLLARS EVERY YEAR JUST FOR GOING TO GET A CHECKUP. 
          SO YOU PAY YOUR DEDUCTIBLE AND THEN YOU GET A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR GOING. 
          SO IT'S GOOD TO OFFER SOME KIND OF, IT'S JUST UP TO Y'ALL. 
          WHAT IF Y'ALL WANNA STAY WITH CORN OR WE WANT CHANGE COMPANY? I DON'T, I WOULD NOT LIKE, I'LL DO WHATEVER Y'ALL TELL ME TO DO, BUT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE TWO COMPANIES. 
          IT WAS KIND OF A, UM, FIASCO WHEN WE HAD COLUMBIA AND AFLAC TOGETHER. 
          THEY WERE COMPETING AND THEY GOT VERY UPSET AND THEY WERE, FELT LIKE THEY WERE FORCED TO, UM, ENROLL IN BOTH OF 'EM. 
          AND THEN IT CREATED MORE WORK FOR US BECAUSE THEY CAME BACK NEXT WEEK AND CANCELED EVERYTHING. 
          AND IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE THAT THEY WERE COMPETING FOR BUSINESS AND IT JUST COMPETED THE EMPLOYEES IN THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          GENTLEMEN, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WELL, I'VE BEEN WAITING SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THIS OPPORTUNITY, BUT WE HAVE JAKE FROM STATE FARM HERE. 
          OH GEE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ASK HIS OPINION. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU WEARING, JAKE FROM STATE ONE? K KIES . 
          I LIKE KIND OF A PERSONAL QUESTION. 
          I GOT NERVOUS. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT JACKIE? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADMINISTER THIS AND IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO ADMINISTER AND THEY SEE WHAT THE EMPLOYEES WANT AND HAVE BEEN ELECTED. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT AS FAR AS WHAT SHE'S RECOMMENDING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO COULD AFFORD THIS WHOLE LIFE AGE 70. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF MIS DO FORTUNE, JUST PAYCHECK. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WITH ANY COMPANY TOO, THOUGH. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S NOT A SALES POINT FOR ME. 
          , UM, IS THE, I GUESS THE, UH, LIBERTY NATIONAL, IS IT COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW WITH UH, YES. 
          NOW ALL SAME OTHER QUESTION. 
          I WOULD SAY STAY WITH ONE HERE TO PUT THAT FORM OF MOTION. 
          SO MAY OKAY. 
          WE HAVE THAT MAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A STATE? DO WE WANT MORE DISCUSSION OR WE JUST NOT WANNA OFFER ANY SUPPLEMENTAL? WELL, I, IT, IT DOES RUN INTO A MAJOR HASSLE, BUT I THINK THEIR EXAMPLE, WHY SHOULD THEY NOT HAVE A CHOICE WHO THEY WANT TO USE OTHER THAN THE FACT YOU GET SIX DIFFERENT COMPANIES ROOM, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP YOUR EMPLOYEE TIED UP FOR ALL DAY LONG TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SELL THEM, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE. 
          WE'VE ED THAT BEFORE, BUT FAR AS WITH  BE THE EMPLOYEE'S CHOICE, 
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THEN SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO SET 'EM ALL UP AND THE PAYROLL MAINTENANCE TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT IT. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA MEAN ADDITIONAL CHECKS THAT WE HAVE TO WRITE TO. 
          IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER Y'ALL SAY YOU WANT, THAT'S FINE. 
          I DO KNOW THE LADY FROM ALLSTATE, WHEN SHE CAME IN, SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T WANT OUR BUSINESS. 
          IF IT WASN'T JUST ME, SHE SAID SHE WOULD CONSIDER IT, BUT SHE PREFERRED JUST TO HAVE JUST BEEN THE ONLY COMPANY NATURAL  THAT BE THE CASE. 
          I'LL SECOND MR. MAN. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH LIBERTY NATIONALLY, I'M SORRY, WITH, UH, COLONIAL LIFE INSURANCE AND, UH, BASICALLY THE SAME BENEFITS THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, WITH A FEW MINOR CHANGES. 
          UH, OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, EVERY BENEFIT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT. 
          SO THEY MAY HAVE A BETTER PRICE ON ONE PLAN, BUT THEY'VE GOT MORE, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE ON ANOTHER PLAN. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S ANYWHERE WE GO. 
          YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, NOT THAT WE WOULD GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE STATE WITH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH LAURA. 
          APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. 
          THIS GIVE YOU LOTS OF, LOTS OF THINGS. 
          START ALL. 
          WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK HERE JUST IN A MOMENT, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRY TO, UH, WORK THROUGH A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. UH, NUMBER SIX IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING AN ANNUAL ROAD REPORT FROM KAMAN COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER FOUR. 
          AND I HAVE THAT AND I MEANT TO GIVE THAT OUT TO YOU, UH, EARLIER. 
          TOM, YOU PROBABLY GOT A, I HAVE ONE DOWN THERE. 
          WOULD I MAY ACCEPT REPORT PREPARED. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MAN, WE ACCEPT TO HIS REPORT. 
          DO WE HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT IT? WELL, LET'S DISCUSS. 
          HOW MANY VOTES SAY, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT? EXCEPT YOU SAY APPROVED SOMEONE? EXCEPT THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR WAS ACCEPT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK. 
          UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED? ITEM NUMBER, UH, SEVEN. 
          IT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A PROJECT AGREEMENT FOR ROAD REPAIR. 
          PROPOSED BEING ROAD. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE PROVIDED US WITH THAT INFORMATION. 
          WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? NOT I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION TO, UH, UH, APPROVE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER LIK MAKES THAT MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          AND WHEN WE CONVENE, CONVENE AT THIS TABLE WHERE WE NORMALLY SIT DURING OUR WORKSHOP, YOU SHOULD HAVE TWO FRESH DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, THE AUDITOR GAVE US WHEN WE, UH, GOT HERE TODAY. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE, I GUESS WE REALLY OUGHT TO START PUTTING A DATE ON THESE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THIS IS ONE THAT'S, UH, LOCKED UNDER THIS, SO IF YOU WANT TO PUT TODAY'S DATE ON IT, LET'S PUT 7 21 UP IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER. 
          SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH IT. 
          AND THIS IS THE, UH, LATEST, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND LET ME JUST TAKE, UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH KAREN ABOUT SOME THINGS. 
          HERE'S, HERE'S SOME THINGS I THOUGHT MIGHT BE, UH, GOOD TO, TO DO. 
          AND JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, ONE OF 'EM HAS TO DO WITH, UH, AUTOMOBILES AND, UH, WE'LL SOON BE ADOPTING OUR, UH, FLEET POLICY. 
          AND SO NONE OF THE AUTOMOBILES THAT WE PUT, LIKE CLOSE TO HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF AUTOMOBILES AND THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE PRELIMINARY STUFF THAT BELIEVE SOMETHING, ASK KAREN JUST TO TAKE THAT TOTALLY OUT FOR THE TIME BEING AS WELL AS THE REVENUE BECAUSE THE REVENUE SHOWED TO BE A LOAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE GONNA DO, UH, UNTIL WE SEE EXACTLY WHERE WE GO WITH OUR, WITH 
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OUR NEW POLICY, OUR NEW VEHICLE POLICY. 
          AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IF WE CAN AVOID MAYBE BORROWING MONEY, UH, OR MAYBE, UH, MAYBE NOT BORROWING ALL OF IT, BUT, UH, NOT HAVING TO BORROW IT QUITE AS MUCH. 
          IF THE SHERIFF IS SUCCESSFUL WITH THE FEDERAL, UH, PRISONERS, THE, UH, THE US MARSHAL, UH, THAT'S GOING TO TURN IN. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE ALL JUST CLEAR PROFIT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT PROFIT'S IN THE RIGHT TERM, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, UH, WE DON'T MAKE PROFIT ON IT, I DON'T THINK, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REVENUE. 
          YEAH. 
          REVENUE. 
          IT SHOULD BE POSITIVE REVENUE. 
          YEAH, IT SHOULD BE. 
          IT SHOULD BE ON, IT SHOULD HAVE A PLUS SIGN IN FRONT OF IT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH WHEN IF ALL 115 OF 'EM ARE HERE. 
          AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ON THAT AND JUST KIND OF SET THAT ASIDE AND THEN SEE WHERE WE, WHERE WE GO WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S MY FAULT. 
          SO IT'LL, IT'LL DELAY US A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, JACK, WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND ON ORDERING? UH, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES? UH, IF, IF THEY'RE TAHOES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GENERALLY ON THE GROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          IT DIDN'T MATTER PUT OUT ALONG. 
          SO IF WE ORDERED SOME, LIKE IN, IF WE, IF THIS MONEY, IF THIS CONTRACT DOES COME TO FRUITION AND I DON'T GO OUT AND BUY THIS WHOLE BUNCH OF VEHICLES OR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT MIGHT GO TO, WE MIGHT HAVE IT FOR TWO MONTHS, THEN THEY MIGHT TAKE 'EM AWAY TOO. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA BE, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL. 
          I HOPE THAT ISN'T THE CASE. 
          BUT, UH, UH, IF WE, IF WE WAITED TILL SEPTEMBER OR THE NEW BUDGET YEAR, EVEN OCTOBER THE FIRST, WE COULD PROBABLY GET 'EM IN UP AND GOING BEFORE CHRISTMAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          GENERAL SPEAKING, UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FLEET OF PURSUIT VEHICLES IN STOCK THAT ARE POLICE EQUIPPED. 
          I MEAN THAT ARE POLICE RATED POLICE FEES. 
          EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS MUCH TURNKEY AT THAT DEALER AS WE CAN THIS TIME. 
          SO WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THESE VENDORS, HAVE IT PUT IN AND WE JUST HAVE TO GET IN LINE AND, AND UH, IT'S, THE FOOD HAS KILLED US ON THE, SO IT'S BETTER TO BUY 'EM AS FULLY EQUIPPED AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ON THEN WE GOTTA DO IS PUT DECAL AND RADIO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO A POT. 
          THIS YEAR'S WE DIDN'T GET 'EM TURNED AROUND FAST ENOUGH, JACK AND SOME OF 'EM AT THE, SO HAD TO WORK AND FIND THE PLACES TO INPUT STUFF, TRANSPORT IT, WHATEVER. 
          AND WE WIND UP HAVING TO FIND SOME MORE MONEY SOMEWHERE BECAUSE PRICES HAD CHANGED. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, AND IF JACK GIVES YOU A QUOTE THAT SAYS THE VEHICLE'S 33,000, WE INCLUDED THAT IN THE BUDGET, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THE OTHER PIECES THAT HAS TO GO WITH IT TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT MAY HELP US ON THIS, ONCE WE GET THIS POLICY IN AND GET A PROCEDURE BACK, THEN WE CAN GET SOME, SOME TIMELINES AND SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME DATES WHERE CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN BE I THINK A LITTLE MORE FLUID IN IT THEN, RIGHT. 
          BUT IT, IT'S PRETTY JERKY RIGHT NOW. 
          IF THAT'S TRUE. 
          WELL, THE EVALUATION DATE FIRST OF EVERY YEAR, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL GIVE YOU SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE INTO, UH, TO THE, WELL I THINK THE POLICY SAYS WE'LL EVALUATE IN APRIL, BUT IT NOT YEAH. 
          SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE'RE GOING HAVE ALL THAT UP TO DATE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE ABLE GETTING THE NUMBER FOR YOU EARLY IN SPRING. 
          I MAYBE COULD STREAMLINE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT OVERLAP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          JUDGE, ONE THING KEEP MIND, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER ONE BE, UH, TARGET DATE THAT, THAT ALL CITIES COUNTY USED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY GETS MONEY. 
          SO YEAH. 
          EVERYBODY BE BUYING VEHICLES. 
          YOU, WHOEVER STEP UP FIRST GETS, YOU KNOW, GETS THE VEHICLE FIRST. 
          SO THIS, WHEN WE ORDER THE VEHICLES, WE DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HIT OUR BUDGET UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY ARRIVE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? OR ARE THEY THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN ENCUMBERED WELL THEY'RE ENCUMBERED BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO SHOW 'EM AS FAR AS THE AUDITOR'S CONCERNED, WE DON'T HAVE TO SHOW 'EM HOURS UNTIL THEY'RE HERE. 
          YOU'RE SPEAKING, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS FROM THE INVOICE DATE, YOU KNOW, TO PAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE INVOICE IS NOT AFTER WE RECEIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THAT GONNA PRESENT A PROBLEM FOR ANY, ANYBODY? I MEAN, DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT SHERIFF, I GUESS, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO EXAMINATION BY VEHICLES UNTIL NEXT APRIL. 
          IS THAT WHAT DISCUSSION IS? WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA IMPLEMENT THE POLICY. 
          NO. 
          I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT THE POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          AS SOON SOME OF THIS YEAH, I THINK SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, 
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THE VEHICLES AND THEN START GETTING THAT PART. 
          BUT I'M SAYING LET'S NOT ORDER IN HERE. 
          WE'LL BORROW MONEY, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN, IF THIS, IF THIS FEDERAL, UH, US MARSHALL DOWN NOW THAT, THAT, I MEAN THAT'S JUST MY THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          WE KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          WHEN WILL WE KNOW ABOUT THAT? WILL THAT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M GOING TO, WHEN I GET BACK TO DOLLARS, I'M GONNA TRY TO CALL A COUPLE PEOPLE AND SEE IF I CAN MAYBE GET A CONTACT AND BACK DOOR THAT UP THERE, THE HOLD UP IS NOT HERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S IN WASHINGTON WHERE THE CONTRACT IS AT. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS JUST GETTING THE PASSWORD ON THE DOWNLOAD TO THE APPLICATION APPLICATION. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY TOLD US, SAID IT BE MAXIMUM 24 HOURS. 
          IT TOOK US FOUR DAYS TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO WHY THAT IS, BUT I'LL, I'LL GIVE A COUPLE PEOPLE A CALL. 
          I KNOW. 
          SEE IF I CAN GET A NAME, WHAT CALL SOMEBODY DIRECT CHECK ON. 
          BUT AS FAR AS ADOPTING A VEHICLE FLEET POLICY, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. 
          JUST READY. 
          BUT IT'S ON JUNE . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY, IF YOU GONNA, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVALUATING THOSE VEHICLES THIS YEAR, UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE AN ADDENDUM TO THAT VEHICLE POLICY THAT SAYS, WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA EVALUATE THIS YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND SAY SEPTEMBER 1ST, OR, OR WHAT WELL, FIRST YEAR IS GONNA BE KIND OF A PHASE IN, I GUESS TAKE A COUPLE YEARS TO GET THIS THING FULLY OPERATION AND MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE EFFICIENT. 
          PUT SOMETHING THIS MAGNITUDE IN JUST, YOU KNOW, START RUNNING. 
          YEAH. 
          POLICY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO BUY 30 OR 40 VEHICLES THE WAY FAIR COSTS IS. 
          YOU GOTTA EVALUATE MY FLEET DOWN THERE. 
          FIRST YEARS YOU, YOU'RE EXEMPT, YOU GOT A PROBLEM. 
          I HOPE SO. 
          I REALLY, I HOPE SO. 
          HEAVY DUTY STUFF ISN'T EXEMPT. 
          GOOD. 
          SO DOES THAT SOUND AGREEABLE TO EVERYBODY? I MEAN, DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY IT'S NOT BUDGET, ANY, LET'S NOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG AND WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND AMEND THE BUDGET. 
          UH, EITHER BEFORE WE ADOPT IT. 
          I SAY AMENDED BEFORE WE ADOPT IT. 
          IF WE KNOW ANYTHING OR IF IT'S OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, WE CAN DO SOMETHING AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          AND I MEAN, THIS WOULD LIKE, TO ME, THAT'D BE THE, UH, THE WAY TO DO BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE, BUT OKAY. 
          THE SECOND THING THAT YOU HAVE, UH, AND, AND SO THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          BOTH VEHICLES ALL HAVE BEEN REMOVED, AS HAS THE POSSIBLE LOAN THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TO TOMORROW'S. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US EXPECTED WE WERE GONNA BUY A HALF MILLION DOLLAR WORTH OF VEHICLE, BUT WE PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE COME THROUGH ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, REQUEST WHEN WE'D GONE THROUGH THE, UH, THE FIRST FIRST ROUND OF BUDGET. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT'S IN HERE, UH, IS THERE IS A $1,200 RAISE, UH, PER FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE EFFECTIVE THAT IF THEY WERE AN EMPLOYEE AS OF JUNE THE FIRST, UH, AND THAT WOULD BE A PERMANENT RAISE. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE THE SUPPLEMENT WE'VE GIVEN IN THE PAST IN ORDER WE GAVE I THINK $600 LAST YEAR. 
          EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS A ONE TIME DEAL AND THE YEAR BEFORE LAST, I THINK IS 500. 
          SO THERE IS A SIX, I MEAN A $1,200 RAISE, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EACH FULLTIME EMPLOYEE. 
          THEY TOO ELECTRIC OFFICIALS AS WELL. 
          SO THEY HAVE REALLY GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT. 
          JUST GIVE EVERYBODY THE SAME RAISE, NOBODY SPECIAL THING KIND OF, WE GET A FEW FOLKS AND IT CREATED SOME YA THIS YEAR. 
          LET'S DO 1200 ACROSS THE BOARD AND NOBODY GETS BUCKS AND THEY GET RIGHT. 
          HOW MANY ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE EMPLOYED BY THE, AGAIN, SO WE KNOW 15, 20, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THERE WAS 18 OR SOMETHING. 
          FOUR COMMISSIONERS. 
          FOUR. 
          JP, FOUR CONSTABLE. 
          THAT'S 12. 
          COUNTY JUDGE. 
          SHERIFF, THAT'S 14. 
          TAX ACCESSOR. 
          THAT'S 15. 
          THAT'S 16 CLERK. 
          THAT'S 18. 
          YOU BETTER, RIGHT? 20. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT NOW IF A SO THAT'S 20. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE 24,000. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IN PAST BUYING CARS, NO, BUT IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT CHOSE NOT TO TAKE THEIR, AND IF THEY DO THAT, I MEAN THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE. 
          IF SOMEBODY GONNA DO THAT, THE PROBLEM YOU GET INTO EVENTUALLY AT THAT CONTINUED ON AND ON AND ON, WELL YOU GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE CATCHING UP, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS 
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ON . 
          BUT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE TO ME, LET'S JUST PUT IT OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY. 
          AND THEN IF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL JUST FEELS LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TAKE IT, THEY, I THINK WE HAVE TO, TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT OR SOMETHING YOU THAT THEY OR SO AND THEN, UH, BUT ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE AN EMPLOYEE AS OF JUNE THE FIRST, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE USED THE LAST TWO APRIL 1ST APRIL. 
          I MEAN, DID I SAY I MEAN APRIL 1ST? APRIL 1ST, I'M SORRY, SIX MONTHS. 
          BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO GIVE SOMEBODY A $1,200 RAISE IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, IF THEY STARTED SEPTEMBER THE FIRST AND THEN YOU GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS AND HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING. 
          SO, SO THEY DID WHAT, SEVEN YEARS? YEAH. 
          PLUS THEY'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE, UH, FURLOUGH DAYS IN BETWEEN THERE AND GAVE THOSE BACK AND THEN WE DID THE 501 TIME AND 601 TIME. 
          SO, UH, I WISH WE COULD DO MORE, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT COUNTED WITH THE INSURANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S AT LEAST AT BEGINNING TO KIND OF START BRINGING, UH, BACK UP BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING KIND OF BELOW THE MARKET I THINK IN SOME AREAS. 
          MAYBE NOT ALL AREAS, BUT IT JUST LOOKED LIKE ME. 
          EVERYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WE APPRAISALS YET OR WE'LL GO BACK TO ABOUT 27TH? UH, WE, IN FACT, I THINK I FORWARDED A COPY OF THEM. 
          DID Y'ALL GET THE NEW APPRAISALS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT I'D SENT 'EM TO YOU FRIDAY. 
          BUT I, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, CERTIFIED TAX ROLL, UH, AS OF JULY THE 15TH. 
          AND I'LL MAKE SURE I SEND YOU A COPY. 
          AND IT'S, UH, ABOUT THREE AND HALF, ALMOST 4% ABOUT, LIKE, IT WAS THE TEMPORARY OR THE FIRST ONE THAT WE GOT. 
          SO IT, IT DOES SHOW I THINK AN INCREASE OF ABOUT RIGHT AT HUNDRED $90 MILLION I THINK IN NEW, UH, THAT WAS NOT TAXABLE LAST YEAR. 
          A LOT OF THAT IS NOT SO MUCH REAPPRAISAL, BUT A LOT OF IT'S, UH, NEW, NEW VALUE, I MEAN NEW PROPERTY, CONSTRUCTION. 
          CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO THAT REALLY, THAT REALLY HELPED. 
          SO THIS, THIS DOCUMENT, KAREN, THERE'S NO RAISES ON ANY PERSONNEL IN HERE EXCEPT FOR THE $1,200 PER PERSON. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND I INCLUDED THE INCREASE ON IF THEIR LONGEVITY WAS AFFECTED ALSO. 
          YEAH. 
          THE LONGEVITY POLICY IS STILL IN EFFECT FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE. 
          GRANDFATHER. 
          YEAH, GRANDFATHER THEN. 
          SO IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THE LONGEVITY, IT IS INCLUDED IN HERE. 
          MY DEPARTMENT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE 1200 SIMPLY FOR THE DISTRICT JUDGES SET OUR STUFF. 
          Y'ALL GOT RAISE LAST YEAR? PARDON ME? Y'ALL GOT RAISES LAST YEAR. 
          NOBODY IN MY DEPARTMENT GOT A RAISE, BUT ME AND THE JUDGES I DON'T THINK HAVE MET YET ON THE, ON THE, UH, OFFICERS SALARY YET ARE AUDITOR. 
          SO DOES EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON WHERE WE'RE ON THE RAISES ON PAGE THE 13TH, THE VERY FIRST LINE? AM I READING THAT INCORRECTLY? YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT IF YOU REMEMBER, THE BOARD SETS THAT COMMISSIONER, PARDON? THE BOARD DID THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S BOARD SETS THOSE WHEN WE FIRST HAD OUR FIRST GO AROUND. 
          THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS, UH, BOARD THAT THAT'S HOW IT WOULD BE INCREASED TO 9,000 FROM THE 85, UH, 8 84. 
          SOME OF THE REASONING BEHIND THAT. 
          I THINK SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS BEHIND THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHAT THE PROSECUTOR MAKES, THEN YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, DOES, DOES THAT GUY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ARGUMENT THAT YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE ME WITH THE SAME QUALITY PUBLIC DEFENDER AS YOU DID AS YOUR PAID PROSECUTOR. 
          SO THE PROSECUTOR SHOULD MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE DEFENDER MAKES THE DEFENDANT DEFENDANT GUY MAKES TO MAKE IT KIND OF, EVEN THAT'S BETTER. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATION THAT CAME OUT IN THAT COMMITTEE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 
          AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER ON A, UH, I YOU, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL THE, WHAT PAGE ARE THEY ON, KAREN? START WITH THE DEPARTMENT 5 51, WHICH WOULD BE PAGE 37. 
          OKAY. 
          REMEMBER THERE WAS ONE CONSTABLE THAT HAD PROFICIENCY PAY, RIGHT? OR THAT QUESTION CONSTABLE 
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PRECINCT THREE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU, WE UH, WE APPROVED THAT UPON THAT SECOND LINE. 
          I SAY APPROVED IT, WE APPROVED PUTTING THAT IN THE, IN THE BUDGET. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE LICENSE. 
          UH, I BELIEVE SHERIFF, EXACTLY. 
          WHAT IS THE PROFICIENCY PAY? HELP ME HERE, YOUR HONOR. 
          50 PAY IS A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAT COME IN AS A, AS BASIC GOING TO INTERMEDIATE ADVANCE THEN AFTER 20 YEARS TO GO TO MASTER. 
          AND THAT TAKES A COMBINATION OF EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING TO GET TO EACH ONE OF THOSE LETTERS. 
          AND THE REASON THAT WAS, UH, THAT HE HAD REQUESTED AND WE TENDED AGREED TO DO THAT, WAS BECAUSE HE HAD TO HAVE, HE HAD HAD THE PROFICIENCY PAY WHEN HE WAS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          UH, AND IT WOULD NOT TRANSFERRED WHENEVER HE WAS ELECTED CONSTABLE, I THINK, I THINK THE SAME SCENARIO WAS THERE FOR BRIAN. 
          WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK WE BE FAIR WITH EVERYBODY. 
          I THINK DID GET CERTIFICATE PAY WHEN HE SET THE DESK OUT. 
          I WOULD ASSUME HE DID. 
          I I'M PRETTY SURE HE DID. 
          AND THEN WHEN HE BECAME CONSTABLE, HE LOST IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK WE SHOULD TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR SUE. 
          BUT I'M PRETTY SURE HE DID THAT THAT WAS SET UP WHERE ELECTED OFFICIAL DIDN'T GET IT ORIGINALLY BECAUSE IT WAS DONE TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, CURRENT EMPLOYEES TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE THE SHERIFF IN COUNTY. 
          NOBODY'S GONNA, AND SO THE OTHER CONSTABLES WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH FURTHER TRAINING TO, TO  PLUS WE DON'T HAVE IT NOW. 
          DON'T HAVE IT. 
          THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING IT, PEOPLE THAT ARE GRANDFATHER. 
          THEIR GRANDFATHER. 
          OKAY. 
          I GOTCHA. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH HIM. 
          HE WAS GRANDFATHERED. 
          SO, AND MAYBE BRIAN TOO, AND I DUNNO WHO THE, UH, I, WHETHER SEAN WAS OR NOT, I DON'T THINK SEAN EVER GOT, HE HAD ENOUGH TIME. 
          HE VERIFIED THAT THOUGH, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT ONE. 
          SO SEAN INITIALLY CAME IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WORKER FOR ME. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER, UH, THING THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT, OF COURSE THIS, I JUST KIND OF WANTED THIS TO BE A WIDE OPEN DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON. 
          UH, BUT THE OTHER THING WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO NARROW DOWN HERE PRETTY, PRETTY SOON, UH, IS THE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AS IT, IT NOW EXISTS AS COMPARED TO WHAT IT MAY BE LIKE IN THE FUTURE OR NOT WHAT IT MAY BE LIKE, BUT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT, UH, PROPOSALS OUT THERE FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED WITH SOME OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, TWO ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS THAT ARE NOW PART OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT WOULD GO BACK. 
          I THINK AT ONE TIME THEY WERE A PART OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE, AND THAT RIGHT, KATHY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND UH, I TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THAT, THAT THESE GUYS WOULD COME BACK TO SOME DEPARTMENT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT IT THAT THEY WOULD, UH, WOULD COME BACK TO TO THAT SO THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS ON ANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KIND OF NAIL DOWN. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, UH, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THE UH, UH, NOT ONLY THE LOCATION BUT ALSO THE UH, UH, FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE UNDER, UNDER THE CONFIGURATION OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UH, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. 
          HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE INTERMINGLE ALL THOSE TOGETHER? OR DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE A CHANCE NOW, UH, THAT NOW MIGHT BE A CHANCE TO COME IN AND MAYBE MAKE THAT DEPARTMENT MORE ENLARGE IT AND HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITIES? AND I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF OPINIONS OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, I'VE HEARD THEM AND BY THE TIME I THINK I GET IT DONE, I HAVE A GENERAL IDEA. 
          I GET, I GET LOST IN THE SHOVEL WITH TREES TOO ANYWAY. 
          BUT, UH, I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO NAIL DOWN AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO NAIL IT DOWN PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK. 
          AND, UH, I, I THINK AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UH, UH, WHAT, WHAT KAREN AND 
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I TRIED TO DO OR WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE LAW REQUIRES THAT THIS BUDGET BE POSTED, UH, 30 DAYS BEFORE WE CAN ON THE INTERNET. 
          AND WE HAVE A COPY, OUR COPY IN MY OFFICE DISTRICT OR COUNTY CLERK AND UH, THERE, BUT WE, WE NEED TO, IT NEEDS TO BE OUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT FOR 30 DAYS. 
          AND WE GENERALLY TRY TO DO THAT TOWARDS THE END OF JULY. 
          AND THAT THAT WOULD BE JULY THE 31ST AND THEN IT SITS THERE AND WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO IT DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          BUT WE WOULDN'T ADOPT IT UNTIL WE COME BACK IN SOMETIMES PROBABLY THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'D SET ADOPT THE BUDGET AND ALSO SET THE TAX RATE AND DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO, UH, I I WOULD THINK SINCE WE'RE GOING BE, I WANNA DOUBLE CHECK WITH JOHN. 
          SURE. 
          I THINK SINCE WE'RE GONNA TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS AND UH, UH, PERHAPS RESPONSIBILITIES THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE FLOW SESSION, I THINK WOULD BE A LITTLE EASIER. 
          COULD DO. 
          IF WE COULD DO THAT. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, WE CAN, UH, THERE'S, UH, NOTHING IN THIS BUDGET FOR, UH, NEW RADIO EQUIPMENT OTHER THAN JUST REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT. 
          I THINK THAT MAY BE IN SOME OF THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET. 
          UH, WE'VE, UH, OF COURSE THE 9 1 1 CENTER IS BEGINNING TO GOING TO START TAKING SHAPE HERE PRETTY SOON. 
          UH, BUT I ANTICIPATE THAT ANYTHING WE DO AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT IS THERE, UNLESS WE FIND A OIL WELL OUT HERE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE ARMORY, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA WIND UP, UH, DOING SOME OF THESE PURCHASE ON SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT FOR THE, THE 9 1 1 CENTER ANY WAY POST IT. 
          BUT IF WE START GETTING ALL THESE MONEY IN, MONEY IN FROM THE FEDERAL MARSHALS WILL THAT, THAT MAY ASSIST US IN THAT BOAT PROJECT TOO. 
          SO WOULD, WHEN WOULD BE THE DEADLINE OR CAN WE DO IT AFTER THE BUDGET IF WE COMBINE THE PUBLIC WORKS AND ENVIRONMENTAL AND FIRE MARSHALS OFFICE IN THAT NEED TO BE DONE PRIOR TO POSTING BUDGET AND RELABELING THE DEPARTMENT? WELL, I THINK WE COULD, COULD WE DO THAT AFTER? I THINK WE COULD PUT THE POSITIONS IN THE BUDGET AND UH, HAVE BUDGETED FOR WITH YEAH. 
          AND THEN COME BACK AND JUST BE A MATTER AND RENAMING A DEPARTMENT AND WE CAN DO THAT DURING THAT, THAT INTERIM. 
          I HOPE WE DO. 
          I HOPE WE'D BE ABLE TO DO IT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ADOPT THE, THE BUDGET. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE ALL THE EMPLOYEES ARE THERE. 
          ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE I GUESS MAYBE ONE LESS RETIRES THAT I, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO, TO JOIN THE DEPARTMENTS AND HAVE A ONE STOP SHOP FOR THE CITIZENS AND HAVE THEM OUT THERE AT SOUTH CAMPUS AVAILABLE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH SECURITY, YOU KNOW, TO GET DONE. 
          I'VE STILL GOTTA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT. 
          MAY HAVE, WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE A CORN FLIP, BUT THE MAIN THING IS A POSITION. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          KAREN, HAVE I MISSED ANY? ANYTHING ELSE? UH, NAILING DOWN THE INSURANCE TODAY HELPED US A LOT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO GET THAT, THAT, I MEAN, YEAH, I HAD INCLUDED, I THINK IT WAS, UH, 7 23 BECAUSE THE QUOTE WAS 7 22 9 FOR THAT ALTERNATIVE PLAN. 
          SO I HAVE TO GO CHANGE THAT. 
          THAT SAVE GOES TO SEVEN 16. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE OUR WORKERS' COMP CHARGE YET. 
          UH, I THINK WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS, UH, PROBABLY BUDGETING WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR AND THAT KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          I SUGGESTED BUDGETING MORE BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          'CAUSE WE HAD A BAD YEAR LAST YEAR. 
          SO MORE THAN WHAT THE YEAR WAS LOSING WAS DROPPING OFF THE RATES. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE CHANGED, I THINK THE AMOUNT THAT WE PUT IN FOR ELECTRICITY, WE'VE DROPPED THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE SAVINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, SO WE'VE DROPPED WHAT ABOUT THE CAN CLEAN THAT? UH, I BELIEVE WE PUT WHAT WE PUT IN THERE. 
          KAREN. 
          KAREN, YOU PUT AN EXTRA 10,000. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE WE HAD TO AMEND THE BUDGET. 
          WE HAD IT AT 73 5 AND WE HAD TO UP IT TO 83 5 AND THAT'S WHAT I BUDGETED THIS TIME. 
          AND IS THAT, IS THAT A FINAL FIGURE ON THAT? NONE. 
          THIS IS FINAL. 
          THIS ESTIMATES? OH YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WHAT IT, WHAT IT COSTS TO DO. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT ANY MORE, UH, ACTUAL INVOICES IN, UH, COMMISSIONER. 
          I HAVEN'T RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SPENT 
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78,000 569 70 AS OF THIS MORNING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S NO LABOR, NO FUEL, NO VEHICLES, RIGHT? NO, NOTHING. 
          THAT'S JUST STRICTLY, THAT'S STRICTLY THEY PICKET CANS. 
          YEAH. 
          DISPOSAL FEES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND A LOT OF GOOD PR FOR, I DIDN'T CATCH NO CHARGE. 
          I DIDN'T CATCH CATCH NOTHING BUT A CUSSING. 
          I BRAG ON GUYS OR REALLY CLEANED UP HIS CAT. 
          I THINK I SAID THAT. 
          I NOTICED THAT, THAT THE MIXED DRINK RIB ARE DOWN DRINKING. 
          I THINK THEY'RE UP. 
          WELL, THEY'RE UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, WE, WE, UH, BACK IN 2013 WE GOT 85,000, THEN WE BUDGETED 31,000 BECAUSE THEY TOLD US THAT SOME OF THAT MONEY STARTED GOING TO THE STATE AND DIDN'T COME TO THE COUNTY ANYMORE. 
          SO WE BUDGETED QUITE A BIT LESS THAN THAT. 
          AND NOW I NOTICE THAT WE'VE GOT 52,000 AND WE BUDGETED 72,000, WHICH MAY BE A LITTLE MISTY. 
          UH, SO WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THAT REVENUE THAT DID COME TO THE COUNTY IS NOW BEING DIVERTED TO THE STATE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE 52 THAT'S CAME IN IS FOR TWO QUARTERS. 
          WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE THIRD OF THE QUARTER YET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE STILL, WE STILL HAVE TWO QUARTERS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MIXED DRINK TAX IS KIND OF LIKE SALES TAX WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          YOU'RE ALWAYS 90 DAYS BEHIND GETTING MONEY, BUT THESE OTHER EXPENSES ARE TO WHAT DATE, SIR? THE OTHER EXPENSES WE HAVE IN HERE, WHAT, WHAT THEY, AS OF TODAY, AS SOON AS I'M PRINTED IT OFF, THAT PROGRAM AUTOMATICALLY UPTODATE IT. 
          SO WHENEVER YOU ADD, THAT'D BE 7 21. 
          JUST SO YOU'LL HAVE THAT. 
          WE'LL GET UPDATES ON THIS AS WE GO THROUGH TOO. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS OF EVERY INCOME. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WELL, FIRST THING I SAY ON HERE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS WE'RE OUT OF BUDGET BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? WELL, WE'VE STILL GOT SOME THINGS WE'VE GOT TO CHECK. 
          UH, I THINK THE, UH, TAX REVENUE WE NEED TO, WE'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH AND DO A CHECK ON THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'VE, UH, GOT ALL THAT INCLUDED. 
          NOT ONLY THE, UH, CURRENT YEAR TAXES I WANT TO VISIT, UH, TANYA IS WORKING ON OUR EFFECTIVE TAX RATE AND STUFF, AND I'VE ASKED HER TO PUT THE COUNTY, UH, DO THE FIRST ONE, UH, NEED TO SEE WHERE WE'RE ALL IN DELINQUENT TAXES. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE REALLY TAKING A HIT ON IS THE FEES AND FINES. 
          THEY HAVE REALLY DECLINED THIS YEAR. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER AREA I WANTED TO, UH, DOUBLE CHECK TOO. 
          SOME, AND I, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH KAREN ABOUT THIS AT ALL, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT THESE TWO CAPITAL MURDER WHERE WE'VE GOT THESE THREE CAPITAL MURDER CASES GOING ON. 
          AND THE WAY THAT WORKS IS WE HAVE TO PAY THE, THE MONEY UP FRONT AND THEN WE GET REIMBURSED FROM THE STATE. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE EXPENSES ARE GOING TO HIT, YOU KNOW, AFTER OCTOBER 1ST. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, AND AND IT MAY BE, IT MAY BE, UH, IT MAY BE IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE EXPENSES THAT WE'VE GOT SHOWN THAT WE'VE ALSO OFFSET THAT REVENUE FROM THE STATE. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST, WE'VE NEVER BEEN IN THAT POSITION BEFORE. 
          IT'S JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE MAKING, WE'RE TAKING CREDIT FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE, SO WE ARE HAVING PAID ROCKWALL COUNTY TO HOUSE THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND THEN STATE HOUSE, THE STATE, THE STATE OF REIMBURSE US. 
          YEAH. 
          JUDGE WOOD, UH, THE CAPITAL MURDER FROM THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN MOVED TO A GRANT FUND. 
          IT'S NO LONGER IN A GENERAL FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT, WELL, WE STARTED OFF BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA GET A GRANT WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENED. 
          WHEN WE GOT THE GRANT, I MOVED EVERYTHING. 
          THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING CHARGED IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE 4 0 9 THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE DEFENSE, THE DEFENSE SIDE, AND IT'S FOR THE, THE THREE ERIC WILLIAMS, BROWN LOW AND KIM WILLIAMS. YOU HAVE TO GET THE EXPENSES UP TO 100,000 BEFORE TIDC WILL GIVE IT BACK TO US. 
          AND THAT'S FOR EACH ONE, NOT COMBINED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON 
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THE SAME PAGE WITH THE MONEY, REVENUE, THE EXPENSES. 
          WE KNOW WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE. 
          AND THEY'VE TOLD US ON THE CASE OF, UH, NOT ARIES, BUT UH, UH, KIM WILLIAMS, THAT WE SHOULD NOT EVEN APPLY BEFORE WE GET TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND HER. 
          SO I HAVE AN IDEA. 
          WE PAY SOME EXPENSES THAT WE REIMBURSED. 
          WELL, NO, WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN REIMBURSED BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          UH, ERIC WILLIAMS WE'RE ALMOST TO HUNDRED THOUSAND RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE REIMBURSING ON ERIC'S CASES. 
          SO NOT ON, ON THE, ON THAT SIDE OF IT, BUT ON THE PROSECUTION PART, THEY'RE, YES. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE TO FUND THAT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND UNTIL WE GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND ASK FOR AGREEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THAT 500,000 DEFICIT, POSSIBLY TWO OR 300,000 BEFORE REIMBURSED. 
          LEMME SEE WHAT I'VE ASKED COMMISSIONER FOR THOSE. 
          UH, IF YOU'LL GO TO PAGE 15, I BUDGETED 50,000. 
          UH, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 59 263 WITH THE NEW ORDER, UH, PRIOR YEAR I SPENT 18,000. 
          THOSE WERE THE ORDERS FROM, UM, JUDGE SM THAT I HAD TO SEND OUT. 
          SO WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, SPENT 70 LITTLE OVER 77,000. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY FILE FOR THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN THE 2015 FISCAL YEAR. 
          I AM NOT THAT I WOULD DISAGREE WITH KAREN ON THE, ON THE, UH, REVENUE OR THE EXPENSES, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR, ALL OF OUR REVENUE IS IN THIS BUDGET YET. 
          I I THINK WE'VE GOTTA GO IN AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT. 
          SEE, REVENUE COULD BE DECREASE TAXES. 
          WELL, THAT THIS IS JUST THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SEE, THIS IS NOT THE INS OR THE ROAD BRIDGE. 
          THIS, THIS IS JUST SIMPLY THE GEN, THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, ACTUAL BUDGET FOR OUR, FOR, UH, FUNDING YEAR 2013, UH, WE SHOW 27,739, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT $700,000 LESS THAN WHAT WE PROPOSED THIS YEAR. 
          BUT OUR VALUES DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME GOING UP TO NEARLY $500 MILLION. 
          AND SO THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF INCREASE IN VALUE. 
          THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T APPEAR TO SHOW UP HERE NOR, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE, UH, DELINQUENT TAXES ARE COMPLETED HERE OR HOW THEY'RE SHOWN. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE HAD, UH, UH, NEARLY $80,000 AND, UH, THE, UH, ROLLBACK, ROLLBACK TAXES. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE PROBABLY WON'T COME IN UNTIL NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST WANNA VERIFY. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE WRONG, I JUST, SOMETHING DOESN'T, SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP THOUGH. 
          AND I THINK IT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH THE PROS AND LEVY THAT MAY NOT BE ADDED BACK IN HERE. 
          AND SO THAT I JUST, I JUST GET WITH TANYA AND WITH KAREN AND SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THIS FROM 13 HALF MILLION OF REVENUE MM-HMM . 
          THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REVENUE STILL HALF MILLION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S SOMETHING I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. 
          I IT MAY BE DELINQUENT OR IT MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT'S, SOMETHING'S NOT, NOT, DOESN'T YOU IN, IN MY, I TRIED TO LOOK IT UP LAST NIGHT AT HOME, BUT I, OR I SAY, LOOK IT UP. 
          I TRIED TO FIGURE WHAT, UH, WORKING OR WALKING THROUGH IT LAST NIGHT AND NEVER COULD GET IT DONE. 
          SO AGAIN, IT IS WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          THERE'S NOTHING HERE. 
          THIS, WE'RE VERY LIKELY TO CHANGE AGAIN BEFORE WE BEGIN, BEGIN NEXT WEEK, UH, ON THIS. 
          BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TODAY SO YOU COULD KIND OF SEE WHERE WE, OR OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS A BUDGET THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN BREAD. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE, TRIED THAT AND DIDN'T WORK TOO GOOD. 
          WORKED FOR A YEAR OR TWO. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT NOT MUCH FUN UNTIL YOU CATCH CATCH UP. 
          NOT MUCH FUN. 
          NOT MUCH FUN AFTER THAT THOUGH. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS 
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IN JUST IN GENERALITIES, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UH, HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND ON, UH, DOG'S TO PER HEAD OR PER TO? NO, NOT PER TO. 
          UH, WELL I THINK IT'S BUDGETED. 
          UH, 82,000. 
          WE BUDGETED 75 OR 75, 65. 
          ANY SHERIFF BUDGET INCREASE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, SPENT, UH, MAYBE WE BUDGETED 75 AND WE'VE LOWERED IT TO 65 BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY SPENT LIKE 45. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A BETTER DEAL DOWN AT THE 65 HOUR. 
          A AHEAD IS BETTER. 
          IT IS WORKING BETTER FOR US. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ANIMALS ARE BEING ADOPTED THANKS TO PAM AND FACEBOOK. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ANIMALS NOW THAT ARE BEING, UH, BEING ADOPTED THAT WORK. 
          I THINK SPAY AND NEUTER NUMBERS ARE UP ALSO. 
          YEAH, I THINK SO TOO. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST. 
          I DON'T THINK WE CAN ADOPT, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          I WONDER IF, UH, OF COURSE Y'ALL KNOW MY CONTACT WITH OR WITH THE K AWARENESS PROJECT , WHAT IF WE WERE MAKING SOME KIND OF MATCHING GRANT IF THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND EDUCATE, SPEND NOT ON EXPAND, THEY DON'T EDUCATION THE PUBLIC TYPE THING WHERE THEY MIGHT COULD REDUCE SOME OF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING BORN OUT THERE UNWANTED. 
          IS THAT A GOOD DEAL? BAD DEAL CONVERSATION? I THINK IT'S WORTH YOU COME UP WITH MONEY TO GIVE THEM WHERE WE COME UP WITH WE, I THINK IS IT WORTHWHILE TO SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A THOUSAND, 2000, 5,000, A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHATEVER. 
          YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A BIG AMOUNT OF NO. 
          AND YOU OH YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE TO MATCH IT. 
          YOU HAVE TO MATCH IT. 
          START OFF AND SEE IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVEN WANT TO DO THAT OR NOT. 
          I THINK , SHE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          BONNIE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT YEAH. 
          TO SEE IF THAT WOULD WORK. 
          IF WE START SENDING STUFF OUT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO. 
          TRY TO GET THAT TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE, UH, AND THESE LADIES THAT WE MET WITH DOWN HERE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY POSSIBLY BUILDING A DEAL, I CAN'T CALL HER NAMES, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL LADIES, UH, ONE FROM TERRY AND A COUPLE OF THREE FROM COLMAN, AND WE ALL MET DOWN THERE AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UH, ALL ON BOARD FOR ANYTHING TO DOPAY UTERINE AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SUBSIDIZED OUR OR NEU PART, BUT MAYBE EDUCATION PART. 
          WELL, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY, THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS EDUCATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I SAID, WELL, I, I WOULDN'T HOW YOU GATHER ALL THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY PLAY BRIDGE OR WHEN THEY PLAY POOL OR WHATEVER, LADIES DO THEY, I THAT MONEY IN THERE CAN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          DON'T NECESSARILY THAT IT'D HAVE TO BE A MATCH. 
          IT'S 50 50 OR 60 40 OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY SPEND CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO, IF IMAGINE IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 42, IT KIND OF GAVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT WHERE WE, UH, WHERE WE'RE ON THE NEXT TO THE LAST, UH, ITEM THERE. 
          THAT, UH, 65 80 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT ANIMAL CONTROL CONTRACT. 
          SEE, WE BUDGETED THIS YEAR FOR 75,000 AS OF YEAR TO DATE, WHICH IS TODAY WE'VE SPENT 45,000 AND SO WE DROPPED IT 10,000 AND THAT'S THE DIRECT RESULT OF THAT NEW CONTRACT WE SIGNED WITH THAT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          THAT $65,000 STILL LOST, STILL LOST SOME MONEY. 
          I THINK THAT, OF COURSE, I HADN'T HEARD ANY REPORTS ON THE NEW MANAGEMENT DOWN THERE, BUT THEY'RE REALLY, THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT I, I THINK IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT OPERATION. 
          WHAT I, WHAT I, AND I THINK THEY'VE GOT A LOT MORE PARTICIPATION NOW IN THE INDUSTRY COUNTY AS WELL. 
          WE MAY BE IN TROUBLE ON CAN NINE MAINTENANCE 'CAUSE YEAR TO DATE WE'VE SPENT 12,000 7 76 AND WE'RE JUST PROPOSING 10,000 NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WE WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE SHERIFF'S GUYS TURNED IN. 
          SO MAYBE THEY KNOW SOMETHING. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          Y'ALL HAVING A HEALTHY DOG, HEALTHY DOG COUNTY PROGRAM. 
          OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DO ON OUR , WE'VE 
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HAD SOME, UH, COUPLE DOGS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, AND ITS JUST LIKE A MEDICAL DOCTOR OR, AND WE TAKE CARE OF THEM. 
          GENERALLY I'D SAY THAT WE STAY UNDER THAT BUDGET. 
          RIGHT AT I, I'M NOT, UH, YEAH, IT LOOKED LIKE BACK IN 19, UH, IN 2012 WE SPENT 69,000, WELL, ALMOST 70,000. 
          I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S CYCLES. 
          JUST LIKE EVERYTHING. 
          WE HAVE PROBLEMS. WE HAD A COUPLE OF DOGS THAT WE HAD TO EXERCISE OUR GUARANTEE BECAUSE WE HAD MEDICAL PROBLEMS WITH, WE HAVE A WARRANTY FOR TERM ON THESE FOR PERIOD OF TIME. 
          WE WANT SOME YOUNG, HEALTHY DONORS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IT, UH, THEY WORK REAL HARD. 
          YOU EVER SEEN ONE OF 'EM WORK? BUT I MEAN, THEY DO WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY GET VERY EASY SOMETIMES AND THEY HURT. 
          UH, OTHER, I MEAN THIS IS AGAIN, HOT OFF THE PRESS AND WE'VE STILL GOTTA, YOU KNOW, WE'VE STILL GOTTA GO THROUGH AND ALL, EVERYBODY CAN GO THROUGH AND DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T, UH, LOOK RIGHT. 
          BUT THE BIG EXPENSE IS, UH, SALARIES, WHICH WE'VE GOT THAT IN THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH INSURANCE IN THERE NOW. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WE'VE TALKED THROUGH HERE. 
          BUT AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PAGE BY PAGE, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, UH, JUST, UH, EMAIL PROBABLY GOOD IF YOU EMAIL KAREN AND I BOTH, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH IT, UH, CHECK AND, AND SEE. 
          AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL BE WORKING ON OUR, ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF THIS AS WELL, SINCE WE DO HAVE OUR VALUES. 
          AND I'M I'LL, UH, I THOUGHT I HAD SENT Y'ALL THE, THE, UH, THE REVENUE, I MEAN THE TAX, UH, STUFF FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, BUT I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET A, THAT YOU GET A HARD COPY OF IT FOR SURE. 
          I THOUGHT I'D DONE THAT. 
          AND UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH AND UH, AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT AND SEE WHERE WE'RE, IT DOES LOOK LIKE BASED ON WHY I WAS LOOKING AT LAST NIGHT, AND UH, OF COURSE I'VE AT HOME DOING THIS, SO I'M NOT, I MAY NOT BE TOTALLY ACCURATE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE BONDS THAT WE SOLD WERE 30 MILLION THAT WE SOLD, UH, BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED VALUES AND EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN A 2 CENT INCREASE REQUIRED FOR THAT. 
          AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS SAID. 
          Y'ALL REMEMBER FOUR? SO IT'S, IT'S, BUT WE HAD SOLD ALL OF WHAT WE SOLD SOLD. 
          BUT, UH, ANYWAY, WE, THAT THAT'S GOOD. 
          I'LL CALL SOMEBODY. 
          I DON'T THINK I CAN GET ANYBODY DATA FROM WASHINGTON THIS FOUR 20 UP THERE. 
          WELL, AND, AND IT WOULD JUST BE, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT THAT'S A GOOD SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR US WHEN WE NEED IT. 
          I I'M THIS AS YOU ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I THINK EVERYBODY'S, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT WOULD REALLY HELP US CLEAN UP SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CLEAN UP AS FAR AS, UH, EQUIPMENT AND PURCHASING AND ESPECIALLY WITH UNITED ONE CENTER. 
          DO, DO THOSE CONTRACTS DO, IS IT LIKE A 30 DAY OUT OR HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WILL BE THEY, UH, WE TALKED TO, TO THE, UH, PERSON THAT, THAT DID THE INSPECTION AND UH, HE SAID WE, WE ASKED HIM THAT QUESTION. 
          HE SAID, COME MAYBE HERE TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, BUT HE SAID AFTER ABOUT NINE MONTHS FOR INATE, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A PERMANENT CONTRACT HERE. 
          I MEAN PERMANENT BE, YEAH, I DIDN'T GET THE IMPRESSION WHERE, WHERE STOPPED. 
          IT WASN'T A ONE TIME. 
          NO, NO. 
          THEY TAKE CARE OVERFLOW OR SOMETHING OVER HERE. 
          THEY KIND OF WANTED TO GET OUT DALLAS COUNTY. 
          I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE TRANSPORT OF THOSE PRISON SHERIFF? I MEAN, IS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSPORT? YEAH. 
          WE'LL BE TRANSPORTING THEM BACK AND FORTH TO COURT. 
          HOW, HOW OFTEN IS THAT? IS THAT DAILY OR WEEKLY? IT, IT COULD BE DAILY. 
          IT COULD BE. 
          I GO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW THAT IT, WHATEVER THOSE FEDERAL JUDGE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE AT ON THOSE TRIALS UP THERE. 
          DO THEY NORMALLY SET A CERTAIN AMOUNT? I MEAN LIKE SEVERAL FOR ONE DAY OR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE DOCKET CALL, THEY PROBABLY DO IT. 
          THEY GOT A TRIAL BE, YEAH. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A FEDERAL JUDGE. 
          EACH ONE OF THOSE JUDGE HAS A MAGISTRATE JUDGE THAT ACTUALLY HANDLES THE, THE LOWER END STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          MOST OF OUR STUFF THAT WE GET SUED OUTTA JAIL ENDS UP IN THE MAGISTRATE COURT. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE APPOINTED. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT'S APPOINTED THING, BUT THEY'RE APPOINTED ALSO. 
          WHAT'S 
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THAT? EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THOSE COURT HAVE GOT AT LEAST TWO, TWO JUDGES OF, YOU KNOW, SO IT COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY STEADY THING. 
          AND YOU KNOW, YOU GO UP THERE A LOT OF TIMES IN THAT OVER COURTHOUSE AND THE ONE, SO IF THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY WE'VE GOT THE, WHAT WE CAN TAKE, WE'VE GOT THAT 24 PASTURE TRANSIT, BUT WE HANDLE CARRY A LOT OF PRISONERS AT ONE TIME. 
          IF THEY SET THEM AND, AND WHAT THEY DO, THEY'VE GOT A SIMPLE PLACE WHERE WE TAKE THEM AND EL PERSON AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY DRAWBACK I CAN SEE TO THE DEAL. 
          IF YOU SPEND HALF YOUR TIME TRANSPORTING ONE OR TWO PRISONERS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY DRAWBACK. 
          YEAH. 
          WE SOMEBODY MONTH HAVE SOME VEHICLES LEFT VEHICLE EXTRA USE THAT CORVETTE, , THAT LITTLE SMART CAR YOU GOT OUT. 
          YOU WANT ME TO TRANSFER THAT TO YOU? NO, I DON'T THINK I'D GET IN. 
          I MIGHT GET IN, BUT I WOULDN'T GET OUT. 
          YOU'D PUT IT ON, PUT IT ON JACKET. 
          I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY. 
          I'D BE BACK IN HOSPITAL. 
          GOOD. 
          IN THAT CARTE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT SURE I DO MUCH BETTER THAN CARTE. 
          I, I GOT THE CALL THAT ONE TIME FOR EVER GOT OUTTA IT AND NEVER GET BACK INTO ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, WHEN'S THE FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE SUPPOSED TO GO AWAY? WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THAT AROUND? IS THAT IN, IN THIS BUDGET OR? WELL, WE'VE GOT NEXT YEAR WE, WE HAD, WE GOT A FIVE YEAR WAIVER ON IT AND SO WE GOT, UH, NEXT YEAR AND THEN ONE YEAR AFTER THAT, OR A HALF A YEAR AFTER THAT. 
          JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I HAVE WRITTEN, ACTUALLY I HAVE, UH, WRITTEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, DID NOT GET AN ANSWER BACK THE, UH, HEAD OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, THE COUNTY HAD TRIED TO DO A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION ONCE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT A NEW JUSTICE CENTER AND IT WAS DEFEATED AND THAT WE HAD TRIED RECENTLY TO DO A BOND PROGRAM AND IT WAS TO BE, AND SO WHAT SUGGESTIONS DO THEY HAVE FOR US NOW AS FAR AS THAT, UH, FRONT ENTRANCE IS CONCERNED, BUT I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE. 
          SO I GUESS THEY DON'T HAVE LETTER. 
          THEY MAY NOT HAVE BETTER ENTRY WHAT WE HAD. 
          I JUST COULDN'T WANT IT. 
          I JUST COULDN'T, I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS DUE OR, YEAH, WE GOT A, WE GOT A FIVE YEAR WAIVER, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT ANOTHER, ANOTHER AT LEAST YEAR ON. 
          ONE THING THAT UH, I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE SUGGEST THAT WE MIGHT BE TO IS BECAUSE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED HERE, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A REAL HARD POSSIBILITY TO GET A, UH, A PRIVATE BILL PASSED JUST TO EXEMPT OUR COURTHOUSE TO FURTHER NOTICE. 
          MEANING IT'D BE WORTH TRYING. 
          WOULD THAT HAVE GO THROUGH LEGISLATION? MM-HMM . 
          PROBABLY DO THAT. 
          YEP. 
          JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT WE ASK. 
          THAT'D BE THE TIME TO KIND OF START WORKING ON THIS. 
          KNOW ANYTHING WE WANNA DO FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATURE STATION, WE NEED START TALKING ABOUT IT AND SO WE CAN, I ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING I THINK SPIT NIGHT ABOUT IT AND UH, BUT I MEAN IT'S, THAT MATTER MIGHT NOT WORK. 
          AT LEAST IT DOESN'T HURT TO TRY, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL THE LEGISLATURE WILL LET YOU KNOW COUNTIES BY THEMSELVES. 
          HE DOESN'T INVOLVE ALL THE REST OF COUNTIES. 
          YEAH. 
          GET BY WHOLE LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT JUST AFFECTS ONE, ONE COUNTY. 
          IT JUST THEM. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S HOW WE CONDITION. 
          WE REQUEST THE RESOLUTION JUSTICE COURT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO CHECK, UH, WITH, FIND OUT HOW'S THE BEST WAY TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT DONE. 
          IMAGINE IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU DON'T WANT A LOT OF FRONT PUBLICITY ABOUT IT. 
          I JUST WANNA GET DONE. 
          WOULD JIM ALLISON BE A GOOD SOURCE? JIM MIGHT BE. 
          HE PROBABLY WOULD BE. 
          AND THEN HE COULD HELP SOMETHING DRAFT. 
          YOU WANNA DO THAT? YEAH, I'LL BE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO, I'M DEBATING WHETHER TO WRITE ANOTHER LETTER TO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, BUT SINCE IT DIDN'T ANSWER THE FIRST ONE, I DOUBT THE SECOND ONE. 
          SO. 
          WELL, IF YOU KNOW DR. 
          SPENCER'S BOARD, HEY, THIS GOOD PLACE TO START. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE 
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BEEN THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE, I'M SURE, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE THAT THEY COULD SEE FIRSTHAND. 
          THIS REALLY DOESN'T DETRACT FROM MY COURTHOUSE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS BUILT. 
          BUILT. 
          THEY DIDN'T KNOW WOULD IT, IT MATCHES, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS. 
          THE WHOLE PICTURE A NEW PICTURE. 
          YOU WOULDN'T, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT. 
          I THINK IT'D LOOK FUN NOW WITHOUT IT BEING UP THERE. 
          YEAH, IT REALLY WOULD. 
          YEAH. 
          WE JUST GOTTA CONVINCE YEAH. 
          THEIR COMPLAINT IS, WE COVERED UP THE BLACK. 
          IS THAT THE MAJOR COMPLAINT? WE CAN MAKE IT. 
          SHE SAID THAT THE ARCHITECT WOULD MAKE A MISTAKE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SOMEBODY SAID, YEAH, YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT IT'S NEXT. 
          ALL HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE FOR US TO DO IS WE, WE HAVE OUR REGULAR MEETING NEXT, UH, MONDAY MORNING, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING, THE 28TH. 
          AND THEN AFTER WE GET THROUGH THAT MEETING, WE WILL ADJOURN AND GO INTO, UH, A WORKSHOP MEETING AGAIN ON THE BUDGET AND TRY BY THEN TO NARROW IT DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          I MAY GO AHEAD AND POST ANOTHER MEETING FOR THE 31ST OR THE 30TH, JUST SO IF WE NEED TO WRAP UP SOME THINGS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO POST THIS BUDGET BY THE 31ST ON THE INTERNET. 
          THAT WAY WE'VE GOT, THAT'S WHEN THE 30 DAY, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO THAT. 
          30 DAYS IS UP NOW YOU CAN DO IT AFTER THE 30 DAYS, BUT YOU CAN'T. 
          BUT THAT STARTS TO FLOCK THE TICKET AND THAT WAY WE CAN COME BACK BECAUSE WHEN WE SET ALL THIS, WE'VE GOT SALARIES. 
          THEY, THEY CAN'T START REALLY DOING A LOT OF COMPUTING ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE REVENUE, I MEAN THE SALARY PART OF IT, BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT INPUT ALL THE DATA AND ALL THAT KIND OF, WELL, I GUESS YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN'T OFFICIALLY DO ANYTHING. 
          SO YOU NEED, YOU REALLY NEED MOST OF THE MONTH OF, UH, OR AT LEAST THREE WEEKS OF THE MONTH OF, OF SEPTEMBER TO GET EVERYTHING IN BUDGET AND GET IT PLUGGED IN AND GET IT READY TO GO. 
          SO, AND THEN ANYTHING DURING THAT 30 DAY PERIOD, UH, WE CAN CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAN'T, I MEAN, WE CAN'T CHANGE IT DURING THAT 30 DAY PERIOD, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE COME OUT OF THE 30 DAY PERIOD, WE CAN CHANGE THE BUDGET TO WHATEVER WE GONNA DO. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES THAT WERE, THAT WERE MADE. 
          SO, AND MAYBE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WE'LL FIND OUT SOMETHING ON US MARSHALS STUFF, BUT LEMME REMIND YOU, YOU KNOW, NOT TO BRAG, BUT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AS A COUNTY WHERE WE WERE THREE YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO WE, WE'VE DONE LOOK SOMETHING, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE IN BETTER SHAPE NOW THAN WHAT WE WERE, BUT WE'RE STILL NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE. 
          AND, UH, IT'S BY LOOKING AT THIS THING IN SMALL DETAIL IS WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN RED FIND SOME SAVINGS AND REALLY MAKES REALLY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          WELL, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THE TELL THE TRUTH. 
          I HOPE SO. 
          THAT'S WHAT CHRIS SAYS. 
          CHRIS SAYS THAT, I CAN'T IMAGINE COUNTY, EVERY COUNTY I'VE TALKED TO ONE UP SIX, 7%. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SOME PLACES HAVE A HUGE REDUCTION COURSE. 
          I THINK WHAT THE DISTRICT DOES IS THEY JUST FOCUS ON THE QUADRANT AT TIME. 
          YEAH, THEY DID. 
          THEY MAY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A PLACE THAT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING THAT PAST YEAR AND THEY MAY LOOKING AT A PLACE THAT'S BEEN, I THINK THEY DID CAMP A BANK AND, UH,  AND, UH, SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN PAUL COUNTY REAPPRAISED THIS LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEN SPOT, YOU KNOW, SPOT. 
          UH, BUT OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT IS GEORGE'S GIS SYSTEM THAT SHOULD WE BUDGET MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, POSITION FOR THAT. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD TAKE PLACE WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER, THE DEPARTMENTS, THE REALIGNMENT OF ALL THAT OTHER AND SEE HOW THAT, UH, FITS IN. 
          AND GEORGE AND KATHY, I KNOW HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT RECENTLY. 
          AND, UH, WE NEED TO TAKE EVERYBODY'S, UH, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION INTO IT. 
          AND I THINK NOW'S THE TIME TO DO ALL THAT AS WE I AGREE. 
          GIVE US SOMETHING TO STUDY HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AS YOU SAY, AS, AS YOU, AS I SAID, AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS THING, IF SOMETHING DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, LET, LET US KNOW SO WE GET IT CORRECTED BECAUSE IT, IT'S CERTAINLY A WORK IN PROGRESS STILL. 
          AND, UH, BUT WE TOOK A, TOOK A BIG STEP TODAY BY GETTING THE INSURANCE DONE AND, AND IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PLAN ON THE $1,200, UH, RAISE, 
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I THINK THAT'LL, THAT, THAT, THOSE ARE BIG ITEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN DO. 
          BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE STILL GOT WORK TO DO ON, ON VERIFYING THE, UH, THE REVENUE AND ALL THAT. 
          SO, BUT WE, WE'VE GOT TIME TO DO THAT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? 30TH, THE 31ST? BELIEVE THE 30TH. 
          30TH, I THINK BECAUSE IF WE WOULD LIKE TO PAY, IF WE, IF WE FIND SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA DO ON THE 30TH, UH, WE NEED A LITTLE TIME TO POST IT ON THE FIRST. 
          AND SO WE'LL MEET, UH, LIKE I SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, BUT, WE'LL, WE WILL PROBABLY, UH, AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH THE REGULAR MEETING, WE'LL JUST TAKE A BREAK AND GO RIGHT INTO THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND DO AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN MONDAY. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND POST THE MEETING FOR THE 30TH JUST IN CASE WE DO NEED IT. 
          WE DON'T NEED IT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NO. 
          ON THE, THE JAIL EXPENDITURE? MM-HMM . 
          THE, I SEE THE INTEREST AND, AND ALL THAT. 
          I DON'T SEE THE TOTAL. 
          I'M ON, UH, 64. 
          I SEE THE BOND. 
          HOW MUCH DO WE STILL OWE ON? OH, I HAVE, I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT WITH ME. 
          YEAH, IT'S ABOUT, UH, ABOUT 12 MILLION I THINK, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO IS PUT IN THE, THE CURRENT YEARS PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST. 
          YOU CAN'T PUT THE HOLE DOWN THERE. 
          YOU COULD HAVE PUT IT WHERE IT SAID PRINCIPAL OTHER DEBT. 
          IT'S BLANK. 
          THE GOOD NEWS IS THE INTEREST WENT DOWN, UH, YEAH, IT'S UH, FROM WHAT IT WAS IN 12. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, THE PRINCIPAL PAYMENT WILL BE 1,000,003 65. 
          YOU SEE THAT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN DOWN BELOW THAT, YOU SEE THE INTEREST ON THE JAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT LINE 61 0 6, RIGHT? 3 47. 
          SO ABOUT 1,000,007. 
          SEVEN. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST, LAST FEW YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE REMAINING DEBT WAS. 
          YEAH, I IT'S IN THE AUDIT REPORT. 
          IF YOU STILL GOT A COPY OF THE AUDIT REPORT OR IT SHOULD BE, IT'LL SHOW THE OUTSTANDING DEBT. 
          YEAH. 
          MAKE ME LOOK IT UP. 
          IT SHOULD BE. 
          IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE IN HERE. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. 
          NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO MAY COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU.
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