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COMMISSIONER'S COURT.TODAY IS MONDAY, NOVEMBER THE 10TH.
ACTUALLY, THE CLOCK SAYS 10 30, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE REWOUND IT YET BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, NINE 30.
AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE THIS MORNING.
UH, WE'LL HAVE OUR INDICATION JUST IN A MOMENT, AND THEN THE, UH, OF, UH, TO BOTH OF OUR FLAGS.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE REMARKS FROM VISITORS AND, UH, UH, WE'LL DO THAT RIGHT BEFORE WE ENTER INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, UH, THE TIME TO DO THAT WOULD BE, UH, WHENEVER WE HAVE REMARKS FROM VISITORS, AND YOU ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND WE ASK YOU, COME UP TO THE FRONT AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
JACK, IF YOU WOULD NOT MOVE THAT MICROPHONE OVER, IDENTIFY YOURSELF, AND WE'D BE CERTAINLY GLAD TO, UH, HEAR FROM YOU.
SO IF YOU WOULD STAND WITH ME NOW.
INGRACIOUS ALWAYS JUST COME YOU FIRST.
WE JUST ASKED YOU TODAY TO BLESS OUR COURT AS WE DO THE BUSINESS OF OUR GOOD COUNTY.
WE ALSO ASK YOU TO BE WITH THE LEADERS OF OUR NATION, THE LEADERS OF OUR STATE.
WE ALSO ASK YOU TO GUIDE US IN EVERY WAY, AND THAT WHAT WE DO WILL BE GOOD IN YOUR SIDE, THESE THINGS.
YOUR SON'S NAME CAME IN I FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR.
FLAG OUR ALLEGIANCE TO THE ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE IN INDIVISIBLE.
LET ME GET ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM OUT THE WAY BEFORE WE, UH, HEAR FROM OUR VISITORS AND GUESTS.
UH, WE WILL NEED TO CANVAS THE ELECTION RESULTS FROM LAST, UH, THURSDAY OR LAST TUESDAY THE FOURTH.
AND, UH, I'M LOOKING, WE HAVE SOMETHING SCHEDULED ALREADY ON NEXT THURSDAY, I'M SORRY, THIS THURSDAY, UH, THAT OUT AT THE, UH, IT
SO, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO END MAYBE IS GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT MEETING AT 9 45 THIS THURSDAY.
THAT'LL BE THE ONLY THING ON THE AGENDA THEN I THINK STARTS PRETTY THEREAFTER FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT INTEND ON GOING.
SO, I HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT WE WILL HAVE A MEETING ON THURSDAY THAT'LL BE, UH, 13TH THIS THURSDAY, AND THEY'LL KEEP US IN COMPLIANCE WITH, WE DO IT HERE, WE 9 45.
AND, UH, WE'RE TEXTING THE INFORMATION OVER TO, UH, CASSIE DOWN.
SHE'LL GET IT, UH, POSTED WHILE WE'VE DONE THIS, WE HAVE HAVE, SO HERE WE'LL DO HERE AT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE BUSINESS IS, UH, ON THE AGENDA AS REMARKS FROM VISITORS AND GUESTS.
UH, FIRST IS FROM CELESTE TRITE TO, UH, LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD 1 33 IN KAUFMAN, UH, TEXAS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS THE COURT, WE'VE ALREADY TOLD YOUR NAME, SO, UH, WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING.
UM, I LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD 1 33, I BELIEVE.
MY HUSBAND, BOB SCHULS, SPOKE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ABOUT OUR ROAD, UM, COMMISSION.
IT HAS NOT IMPROVED AND GOTTEN WORSE.
UM, JERRY BOWDEN WAS OUR COMMISSIONER BEFORE, AND OUR ROAD HAS ALWAYS BEEN BAD, BUT HE WOULD COME AND PATCH IT REGULARLY, WHICH IS WHAT IT NEEDS.
UM, IT'S WORST, THE WORST IT'S EVER BEEN.
THERE'S LITTLE TO NO CRUSHED ASPHALT.
AND WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IT'S TURNING INTO RUMBLE STRIPS.
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE A HALF A MILE OF RUMBLE STRIPS THAT YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ON.
UM, I TRIED DRIVING IN THE DITCH PARTIALLY, UM, BUT, UH, I STARTED BOTTOMING OUT ON MY CAR.
UH, I'M DEVELOPING RATTLES EVEN THOUGH I CAN ONLY DRIVE LIKE 10 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, JIMMY HAS, UM, AN INCREASING ONE.
JIMMY HAS PROMISED THAT HE'S GOING TO FIX THE ROAD.
IT'S GONNA BE BETTER THAN EVER BEFORE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WAITING NINE MONTHS FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
WE TRY TO BE PATIENT BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO FIX PROPERLY.
WE KNOW IN THE PAST THAT THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, PATCHED IT AND THAT REALLY HASN'T WORKED, WORKED.
UM, WE TRIED TO DO THE RIGHT CHANNELS BY TALKING AND CALLING, UM, CALLING HIM.
HE GRACIOUSLY ANSWERS THE PHONE AND, AND TALKS WITH THIS.
SOME OF THE, THE EXCUSES THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE NINE MONTHS IS IT'S NOT THE WORST ROAD.
WHEN WE HAVE COMPANY VISITORS, THEY SAY, WHAT IN THE WORLD HAS HAPPENED TO
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YOUR ROAD? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONTEST OR WHAT, OR IT HAS TO, WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL IT IS THE WORST ROAD.UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DETERMINE THAT.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S NO MONEY, ALTHOUGH NOW I KNOW THERE IS MONEY.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT HE'S MEASURING OUR ROAD FOR THE AMOUNT OF MATERIALS THAT IS NEEDED TO REPAIR IT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT HE WANTS TO WAIT UNTIL THERE'S A MILE WORTH OF ROAD TO GET A BETTER PRICE ON THE MATERIALS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD MONTHS AGO THAT HE'S GONNA FIX THE ROAD BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, AND NOW WHEN I CALL, HE SAYS HE HAS NO IDEA WHO HE'S GONNA GET TO IT, WHICH SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT HIS BIG MACHINE OPERATORS WERE INJURED EQUIPPED AND GETTING PLAN REPLACEMENT WORKERS BECAUSE OF THE LOW SALARIES.
I'M WONDERING MAYBE SINCE WE HAVE THE MONEY, MAYBE WE NEED TO UP SALARIES FOR THESE BIG MACHINE OPERATORS SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME, SOME PEOPLE THAT CAN, CAN DO THAT.
UM, HIS PRESENT SOLUTION IS TO SEND A ROAD GRADER TO GRADE OUR PAVED ROAD, UM, WHICH BRINGS UP MORE CHUNKS OF ASPHALT AND BOTTOMS OUT OUR CAR.
UM, I HAVE A COPY OF THE BUDGET AND THE AUDIT, UM, FOR LAST YEAR.
ANYTHING, SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSIONER SHOULDA HAVE COPIES.
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THIS, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, PRECINCT ONE HAS ONLY SPENT 31% OF THEIR, THEIR, UM, MATERIALS.
AND WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR 804,000.
PRECINCT THREE HAS THE SAME BUDGET.
THEY'VE SPENT 78% OF THEIR BUDGET.
UM, PRECINCT TWO HAS SPENT NINE, SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT OF THEIR BUDGET.
SO THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH, UM, GETTING OUR ROADS FIXED.
UM, WHAT MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS HOW ARE THE OTHER PRECINCTS ABLE TO KEEP THEIR STAFF AND REPAIR THE ROADS? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
WE WERE TOLD BY SOME PEOPLE THAT SOMETIMES DIFFERENT PRECINCTS SHARE CREWS AND HELP OTHER PROCEEDS CATCH UP WITH THEIR, I BELIEVE YOUR TIME IS UP.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO WRAP IT UP IN ABOUT 10 SECONDS OR LESS.
WELL, WE ALSO HAVE COLLEGE-BOUND VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT ON OUR ROAD, AND SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING OUR ROAD PREPARED.
WE PATIENT, AND WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR HELP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
THE COURT CANNOT RESPOND DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD.
PICTURES DON'T DO WELL, BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PALM HOLES.
THEY'RE, YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL BY THE PICTURES, BUT YEAH.
NEXT IS THERY FROM, UH, ALSO ON COUNTY ROAD 1 33.
I ALSO LIVE ON COUNTY THREE NOW THAT IT 1 0 9 7 9.
THE ROAD HAS NEVER BEEN MUCH BETTER THAN IT IS NOW, BUT IT'S ALSO NEVER BEEN MUCH WORSE THAN IT'S NOW.
UM, THEY'VE PASTURE IT AT DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT IT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN FIXED.
AND I KNOW WE HAD AN, AN ABUNDANT NUMBER OF, UM, GRAVEL TRUCKS ON THAT BOAT THIS YEAR, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY DID NOT HELP ANYTHING.
WE MADE WHAT WE HAD WORSE, AND IT WOULDN'T LASTED A LOT LONGER HAD WE NOT HAD THOSE ROAD I WAS GIVEN AS AN EASEMENT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
UM, I WOULD FOR BEG, UM, JUST, IT, IT, THAT ROAD ONLY GOES FROM 4 29 SOUTH TO THE BRIDGE, WHICH I'VE NEVER MEASURED IT, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S A MILE AND A HALF, SEVEN TENTHS MILES.
THEN IT GOES ON TO THE BRIDGE WHERE THE NEXT PRECINCT STARTS.
UM, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
I HAVE A NEW CAR AND I DRIVE MY CAR ON THAT ROAD, AND I, SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
UM, I HOPE YOU KNOW THE WILL THAT DOES THE, THE, THAT GETS GREASE.
SO I HOPE IT HELPS THAT WE CARE ENOUGH FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND COLLEGE FIRE STATION ALSO, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THE, UH, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THE, UH, REMARKS.
UH, SO THE NEXT THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, ENTER INTO A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE
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INPUT, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING REVISIONS, UH, TO THE ONSITE SEWAGE FACILITY REGULATIONS AND INCREASE COMMITTEE NEW FEES FOR COUNTY.SO DO I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE ENTER INTO A PUBLIC HEARING? SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MANNING? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY I, I THOSE POSTS.
ALRIGHT, YOU, UH, HAVE, UH, LEAVE AN ITEM IN YOUR, UH, PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT, UH, OUR FIRE MARSHAL HAS PUT TOGETHER FOR US.
OUR CRIME MARSHAL, AS YOU KNOW, UNDER OUR NEW ARRANGEMENT, ALSO SERVES AS OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
AND, UH, SO, UH, SEE, RANDY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND, UH, TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN WE'LL, UH, IF ANYBODY'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU PROVIDED US A GREAT DEAL OF, UH, INFORMATION.
AND I BELIEVE WE'VE MET THIS HAD TO BE PUBLISHED AND I BELIEVE WE MET THE PUBLIC PUBLICATION, UH, DEADLINES ON DOING THAT.
AND YOU'VE ALSO PROVIDED US SOME INFORMATION WITH, UH, NEARBY COUNTY CONTIGUOUS COUNTIES IN SOME CASES.
ION JUDGE P SAID, I'VE RESEARCHED SEVERAL THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES, UH, LARGE, SMALL, SPOKEN WITH, UH, ALL THOSE RESPECT DEPARTMENTS RELATIVE TO THE OSSF REGULATIONS AND THEIR PERMIT MEETING FEES AND SCHEDULES.
YOU HAVING DONE SO, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S TIME FOR COFFMAN COUNTY TO STEP UP WITH THEM AS WELL FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
WE CAN, UH, GENERATE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE NEED TO HELP OFFSET THE COST OF OUR SAFE SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT WE USE.
THIS IS, UH, THE PROGRAM THAT WE USE TO COMMUNICATE WITH PCEQ TO MEET ALL THEIR MANDATES AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS, AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT SOFTWARE SYSTEM MANUALLY.
UH, THIS WILL ALSO ALLOW US, YOU KNOW, TO ENSURE THAT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS, UH, RELATIVE TO THE OSS HEALTH INSTALLATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, UH, WE PROVIDE FUNDS FOR THAT.
I'LL ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM THERE.
SECOND, JUST SO WE CAN MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN THE PERSONNEL TO ADMINISTER AND COURT THE O SSQ, THE, UH, POLL THAT I DID COUNTY, UH, CONTACTED VAN ELLIS, HENDERSON, BENTON, AND, UH, AND SPOKE WITH, UH, SOMEONE IN DALLAS AS WELL.
DALLAS IS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER AND MORE STRINGENT THAN ALL THE REST.
WE CURRENTLY ON A NEW CONTRACT, A NEW INSTALLATION.
WE CURRENTLY ARE CHARGED WITH THREE 10 FOR A, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FEE, INSTALLATION FEES, AND COUNTY CHARGE.
UH, ROCKWALL COUNTY CHARGES 500, ELLI COUNTY CHARGES FOUR FIVE, AND HENDERSON COUNTY IS, IT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT THERE, AND I CAN ONLY COMING UP TO THAT MINIMUM BECAUSE I DO AGREE THERE'S CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THE INSPECTION PLAN REVIEWS AND SO FORTH ON UPDATING THOSE FEES.
UH, THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES QUITE A BIT MORE INVOLVED ON THE, UH, PLAN REVIEWS.
THERE'S A LOT MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAT TCEQ HAS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
WE HAVE BEEN CHARGING FOUR 10 FOR THOSE I'M SIX.
THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE INSPECTION INSPECTIONS, EXCUSE ME, INSPECTIONS A YEAR.
AND WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO GO BEHIND ALL THESE INSPECTORS AND, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME COMPLAINTS THAT THE CONSUMER HAS.
BUT APPARENTLY THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE OCCURRING OUT THERE THAT THE CUSTOMER IS JUST NOT GETTING THE BENEFIT OF A FULL INSPECTION.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF THAT AND OF WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED? YES, SIR.
ON THE, WHAT WE CALL A QUARTER INSPECTIONS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE, AS PART OF THEIR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAVE WITH THIS OSSF COMPANY OR THIS MAINTENANCE PROVIDER AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY PAY, THEY'LL COME OUT, THEY HAVE TO PULL THE COVER.
UH, THEY'LL DO A, A SLUDGE TEST, DETERMINE THE DEPTH, THEY'LL LOOK AT THE WIRING INSIDE
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TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WIRING, ELECTRICAL ISSUES, CHECK THE, UH, THE ALARMS SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, THE OVERFLOW, THE ARM SYSTEM.THEY'LL ALSO CHECK ON THE FILTER THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE PUMP OR THE IRRIGATORS AND THE FILTERS AT THE VERY LEAST CAN BE CLEANED OUT.
UH, IN SOME CASES THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
AND ALL OF THESE MAINTENANCE ISSUES ARE, YOU KNOW, THE FILTERS THEMSELVES ARE JUST A FEW DOLLARS TO REPLACE, BUT IF NOT REPLACED, IT COST HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS FOR A PUMP THAT OVERHEAT GOES OUT.
UH, SAME WITH EITHER IMPROPER SIZE WIRES.
SOME OF THESE INSTALLATIONS HAVE BEEN PUT IN WITH IMPROPER SIZE WIRES.
UH, WE REPAIR MADE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE AND WE ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO A FOLLOW UP TYPE INSPECTION.
AND SO FOR ALL THOSE DIFFERENT REASONS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CUSTOMER IS THE ONE THAT REALLY ENDS UP HURTING FROM THIS.
OF COURSE, WITH THESE SYSTEMS FAIL NOW WE'RE LITERALLY PLACING RAW SEWAGE ON TOP OF THE GROUND AND ALL HEALTH ISSUES RELATED TO THAT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD ON SOME FOLLOWED UP INSPECTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY FOLLOWED UP ON THE, WHERE A CONTRACTOR SAID THAT HE HAD DONE THE WORK AND UH, THE WORK HAD NOT BEEN DONE.
THAT IS CORRECT, BUT THE, THE CITIZEN OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PAID FOR A FULL INSPECTION.
UH, AND NOTHING ACTUALLY WAS DONE AND MAYBE EVEN SABOTAGED.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE A CASE THAT'S NOT BEEN PROVEN, THAT HAS BEEN ACCUSED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUES.
IF SOMEONE WILL TRY TO CREATE A SITUATION THAT SIX MONTHS DOWN THE LINE WOULD CAUSE A MOTOR FAIL.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT US DOING ALL THE INSPECTIONS, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT.
UH, PARTLY DUE TO JUST THE FACT THAT STAFFING WISE, WE CAN ONLY DO SO MANY DAY.
WE DO RESPOND TO MOST OF THE PLANS THAT WE CAN, SOME COMPLAINTS ARE HANDLED OVER THE PHONE, BUT, UH, I PROPOSED A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT RENEWAL, WHICH WHAT THEY DO FOR
UH, WE JUST NEVER IMPLEMENTED THAT WHEN THIS WAS REQUIRED BY TCEQ FOR START DOING THESE, UH, MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS.
AND ALONG WITH THAT, THE INSPECTIONS THAT OCCUR EVERY THREE MONTHS OR EVERY FOUR MONTHS, COUNTY HAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, WILL BE TO HELP SUPPORT OUR STAFF TO GO OUT AND DO THESE INSPECTIONS.
UH, VAN COUNTY, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UH, 25 HUNT COUNTY, 20 COUNTY UP THERE, 25.
DALLAS, AGAIN WAS A TREMENDOUS DOLLAR AMOUNT.
I I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DID IT, BUT THEY ALSO FALL UNDER DIFFERENT
SEE, HOW LONG HAVE THESE STAGE BEEN IN EFFECT WITH THESE OTHER COUNTIES? UH, THAT COUNTY HAS HAD IT IN EFFECT THAT'S, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MOST.
THEY'VE HAD IT IN EFFECT NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
I BELIEVE IT'S JUST BASED ON CONVERSATION, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
ABOUT WHEN ALL THIS STARTED BACK AROUND 2006, UH, MANZA COUNTY WAS AT A MOTOR RATE THEY INTENDED ON EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS, INCREASING THAT RATE BY FIVE.
AND THEY JUST RECENTLY DO THAT.
RANDY, ON THIS, ON THIS REINSPECTION FEE, UH, CLARIFY THIS FOR ME.
UH, ON THE MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE PROPOSING A $410 FEE GOING TO 610, CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE FOR THE, AN INITIAL, THAT'S FOR THE INITIAL NEW CONSTRUCTION IN INSTALLATION.
AND THEN ON THE REINSPECTION, UH, YOU SAID IT'S QUARTERLY, SO FOUR TIMES A YEAR? NO, SIR.
UH, WHAT THAT IS, IS WHEN THE NEW INSTALLATION IS, IS BEING PERFORMED, THERE IS A SERIES OF INSPECTIONS, UH, PRIMARILY THE FINAL INSPECTION FOR THEM TO MAKE, ACTUALLY GET A CERTIFICATE TO OPERATE.
ON THE NEW INSTALLATION, THERE IS A GREEN INSPECTION FEE.
UH, COUNTY HAS HISTORICALLY UTILIZED 150 FEE.
UH, IT DOESN'T OCCUR VERY OFTEN, BUT TYPICALLY WHEN IT DOES OCCUR, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE INSPECTION TO GO OUT AND MAKE SURE.
SO THAT'S JUST A ONE TIME, THAT'S A ONE TIME THE ADMISSION INSPECTION.
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TALKING ABOUT THE INSPECTIONS, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, SAY THEY HAVE REPAIRS DONE AND YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND INSPECT THE REPAIRS.AS PART OF THE CONTRACT, UH, WHEN YOU RECEIVE A CONTRACT THROUGH A MAINTENANCE PROVIDER, UH, USUALLY THEY'RE ANNUAL CONTRACTS.
YOU CAN'T GET 'EM FOR TWO YEARS.
THE CUSTOMER HAS AGREED WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY THAT THREE TIMES A YEAR THAT COMPANY WILL COME OUT, INSPECT AND CHECK THEIR SYSTEM, CHECK THE FILTERS, CHECK THE DEPTH, SEE IF IT NEEDS PUMPING, UH, THE ELECTRICAL WIRING, SO FORTH.
AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WHEN THAT IN THE PAST, THAT MAINTENANCE RENEWAL THAT THEY HAVE TO DO EVERY YEAR AS REQUIRED BY TCEQ, WE HAVE NEVER CHARGED A FEE TO ABLE TO PROCESS THAT PAPERWORK.
WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT PAPERWORK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THAT COMPANY, THAT INSTALLATION MAINTENANCE
WE HAVE TO PROCESS THAT PAPERWORK INTO OUR SYSTEM, AND IN RETURN, WE SUBMIT ALL THAT INFORMATION TO TCEQ THAT'S REQUIRED BY THEIR RULES.
WE HAVE NEVER CHARGED TO ASSIST A FEE FOR THAT.
AND THAT STATE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M PROPOSING IT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO OBTAIN ALL THE INFORMATION COLLECT, THAT FEE WILL BE CHARGED TO THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDER, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
IT WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, EACH CONTRACT.
AND, UH, I'VE HEARD THAT SOME PEOPLE SAY IT MAY PASS DOWN TO THE CUSTOMER THAT'S UP TO THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, BUT EVEN IF IT DID, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT $2 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD AND GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM SO WE CAN START GOING BEHIND SOME OF THESE MAINTENANCE PROVIDERS AND HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
WELL, SINCE MOST OF OUR VIOLATIONS OCCURRED THROUGH THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDERS, HISTORICALLY THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE VIOLATIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE HOLD LAST YEAR.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE DESIGNED TO, UH, MORE OR LESS HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE AND JUST, AND MAKE THEM, UH, MAKE THEM DO THESE.
IT'S GONNA ALLOW US, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE TO OUT THERE.
I THINK YOU'RE PLANNING ON HAVING A MEETING WITH ALL THE PROVIDERS.
UH, THAT'S COMING UP NOVEMBER THE 24TH, UH, MONDAY, IT WOULD BE HELD IN MANZA COUNTY AND, UH, ALL OF THE AREA COUNTYWIDE, UH, INSTALLERS AND MAINTENANCE PROVIDERS HAVE BEEN INVITED.
UH, MANZA TRIED TO MAKE MANDATORY FOR THEM, BUT THEY REALIZE THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.
SO THEY'RE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO AT LEAST HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE THERE.
MOST OF THOSE PROVIDERS, IF NOT ALL, ALSO SERVE AS COLMAN COUNTY.
AND, UH, WE'VE ALSO BEEN INVITED THROUGH SURROUNDING COUNTIES HAVE BEEN INVITED THERE AS WELL.
AND, UH, SO MYSELF AND ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR COUNTY WILL BE ATTENDING THAT MEETING ON 24TH.
DOES THIS JUST, THIS JUST AFFECTS THE AEROBIC SYSTEM? YES, SIR.
WE HAVE THE OLD PER SYSTEMS THAT, LIKE SOME PEOPLE STILL HAVE IN OUR COUNTY.
WE HAVE OVER 11,000 SYSTEMS IN THE GROUND IN KAMAN COUNTY.
UH, APPROXIMATELY 8,000 OF THOSE SYSTEMS ARE OKE.
AND THESE, THESE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS ONLY APPLY TO THE SYSTEMS. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT NEED THE CHECK PUMPS, CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS, EVERYTHING'S DRIVING LOAD SO FORTH.
ARE YOU REQUIRED BY THE STATE TO HAVE THIS MAINTENANCE FEE? YOU OWN MORE THAN 10, THE MAINTENANCE FEE IS REQUIRED ON MAINTENANCE CONTRACT ON ANY AEROBIC SYSTEM, REGARDLESS OF AC YEAH, THE, THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT IS REQUIRED.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT BE IN YOUR, IN YOUR AFFIDAVIT DRAFT ON PAGE FOUR, THE PARAGRAPH A, UH, I, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS SOMETHING NEW, UH, TALKING ABOUT, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF LAND OWNED, WHICH A PRIVATE HOME SITE FACILITY TO BE INSTALLED IN THE PAST WHEN IF YOU HAD 10 ACRES OR MORE, YOU COULD DO AOB OR, OR REGULAR PERK SYSTEM, WHICHEVER YOU DECIDE.
NO, SIR, SIR, UH, THE TYPE OF SYSTEM IS DEPENDENT UPON THE TYPE OF SOIL.
SO MORE THAN 10 ACRES, YOU STILL HAD TO NO, BECAUSE THAT SYSTEM HAS TO SUPPLY WHICHEVER WELDING IS GONNA USED.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA SPREAD OUT OVER A 10 ACRE AREA.
IT'S MY QUESTION 10 DOES NOT REQUIRE MORE THAN 10 DOES NOT REQUIRE PERMIT.
SO, BUT IN THIS NEW DRAFT, IT WILL, AS IT SAYS, REGARDLESS OF, SO THIS CHANGE, AND, UH, IT IS NOT,
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IT'S NOT SET FOR THE, THE AMOUNT OF LAND, EVERYTHING IT'S SET BECAUSE OF THE TYPICAL SYSTEM IS GONNA HAVE HUNDRED 50 FEET LINE, WHAT HAVE YOU.WE CAN'T PROPERLY EVACUATE, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE BACKING UP OR CONTAMINATING THE, THE SOILS AND THE LAND ON YOUR CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM.
IF SOMEBODY'S FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE SUGAR, SAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY PUT IN, AS IN MY HOUSE, I NEVER, SINCE 1983, NEVER HAD TO HAVE MY PUMP, NEVER HAD ANY BACKUP ISSUES.
BUT MOST AREAS IN COFFIN COUNTY HAVE THE CLAY TYPE SOILS TO THEM.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES IS.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND A, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IN THE PAST, IF YOU HAD 10 ACRES OR MORE, YOU WERE NOT REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT OR INSPECTION OR REGISTER WITH THE COUNTY OR ANY OF THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I'M, I'M NOT AWARE IT IS CONSIDERED ON SITE AEROBIC.
IS AEROBIC, IS THAT THE LANGUAGE? DEFINING AN AEROBIC SYSTEM AS A ON ONSITE SEWAGE FACILITY OR A AEROBIC SYSTEM IS ONE TYPE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IN THIS PARAGRAPH HERE, IS THIS RELATING TO EVERYBODY WHETHER YOU HAVE 5,000 ACRES AND YOU GOT A HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, UH, ARE THEY STILL REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE ONE ACRE OF THE SUBDIVISION? I BELIEVE SO.
JUST FOR NOTHING MORE THAN THE HEALTH BUSINESS COULD AFFECT ANYBODY ELSE.
IF YOU HAD A LARGE ENOUGH THAT WOULD AFFECT WHOEVER THEY HAVE TO DRAW SEWAGE ON TOP OF GROUND.
WELL, I MEAN, I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE SEWAGE ON TOP OF GROUND.
MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS, IS THIS DIFFERENT POLICY THAN WHAT A POLICY IS NOW ON THAT PARTICULAR LINE? I WOULD TO PULL THE OLD CONTRACT, FOR SURE.
DO YOU HAVE ONE? WELL, YEAH, THIS WAS, THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL GIVE THE PUBLIC THIS, UH, THIS PARAGRAPH.
AND, AND THE MAJORITY OF THIS DRAFT ORDER HERE IS A, A TEMPLATE IN WHICH IS PROVIDED BY TCEQ, UH, WHICH KEEPS EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE CHAPTER 2 85.
WELL, THAT'S MY, MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING BEYOND THE STATE REQUIREMENTS? THIS I DO NOT BELIEVE WE'RE GOING BEYOND THE STATE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THIS LANGUAGE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ENTERING CA COUNTY, AND, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WAS MADE.
THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT HAS CHANGED FROM THE TEMPLATE THAT TCQ OFFERS IS GOING TO BE ON, UH, PAGE FIVE, FINISH IT UP.
IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY UNDER SECTION 10, BUT THE LAST PARAGRAPHS BEING, UH, G THROUGH J, PRETTY MUCH G BEING THE FACT THAT, UH, WE DID CHANGE THE FACT THAT REGISTRATION IS SUBJECT TO A FEE, WHICH IS SAID BY THE AUTHORIZATION OF D COUNTY.
UH, THE FEE IS DUE UPON SUBMISSION OF THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT RENEWALS.
THAT LANGUAGE WAS NOT IN THERE BEFORE BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER INCLUDED THE 25 FEE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
WE ARE ALLOWED TO CHARGE THE FEE.
AND TCEQ HAS ALREADY RE REVIEWED THIS ENTIRE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED, AND THEY HAVE APPROVED IT THUS FAR.
THE ONLY REMAINDER THAT WE HAVE DO TO SATISFY TCQ IS PROVIDE THEM A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE, OF TODAY'S COURT AND A CERTIFIED COPY THAT WE, UH, SEVEN TWO HOURS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
SEE ITEM F IT SAYS ANY ON ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM USING AEROBIC CRITICAL.
SO THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES AEROBIC.
IF IT'S A STANDARD SYSTEM AND NON NON AEROBIC, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE CONTRACT.
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I UNDERSTAND THAT.BUT I MEAN, GOING BACK TO PAGE FOUR ON ON PARAGRAPH EIGHT, IT, IT JUST SAYS ON SITE SEWAGE FACILITY.
SO THAT WOULD BE REGULAR CURRENT SYSTEM.
IT COULD BE DISTRICT, IT COULD BE A REGULAR SYSTEM, IT COULD BE A AER AEROBIC SYSTEM THAT IS DETERMINED BY YOUR INSTALLER AND THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDER.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY DO THE TESTING TO THE, AND DO THE PER TESTING.
WE HAVE THIS ITEM OF LATER ON HERE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR TO THE DISCUSSION.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE ERS, AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, MAYBE NOT ANYBODY IN THE, UH, AUDIENCE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
WE'LL COME OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS ON ITEM FOUR, WE'LL, UH, HAVE MORE DISCUSSION IF WE NEED TO.
AND, UH, THEN WE WILL HAVE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, VOTE ON HIM.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT NOW DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE ONSITE SYSTEM? MS. RAD, CAN YOU COME UP? I ACTUALLY, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
I COULDN'T HEAR IT COMPLETELY.
HOW MUCH MORE MONEY IS IT GONNA COST THE CITIZEN, UH, WITH THE NEW SYSTEM? I JUST COULDN'T HEAR.
AS FAR AS THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW SYSTEM, UH, WE'RE INCREASING THE FEES PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE FEES FROM $310 FOR THE PERMIT TO 360 $50 INCREASE.
UH, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL INCREASE WOULD BE, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT RENEWAL FEE.
SO ONCE A YEAR, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A SYSTEM IN THE GROUND, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROVIDER THAT DOES A SERIES OF INSPECTIONS FOR THEM THROUGH THE YEAR.
AND THOSE ARE FOUR DOCUMENTS FOR THAT ONE SYSTEM THAT COME ACROSS OUR DESK.
BASED UPON THE 8,000, APPROXIMATELY SUCH TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS THAT COME ACROSS OUR DESK IN A YEAR, AND WE NEED TO PROCESS THOSE IN THOSE SUBMITTED TO TCQ, WE HAVE NEVER CHARGED A FEE FOR THAT CONTRACT RENEWAL IN THE PAST.
AND I FELT THAT THESE $25 FEE, WHICH VERY REASONABLE, AND THAT'S CHARGED TO THE INSTALLER AND THE MAIN PROVIDER'S NOT CHARGED TO THE HOMEOWNERS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM RONNIE? IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF ALREADY, ALREADY PARTLY IDENTIFIED YOU, BUT, UH, UH, AND, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
UM, SO THERE'S 8,000 INSTALLED SYSTEMS NOW.
SO AT $25 EACH, THAT WOULD BE $200,000 OF FEE REVENUE.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU BELIEVE YOU'LL NEED TO HIRE IN ORDER TO TAKE THE 8,000 APPLICATIONS FOR RENEWALS AND TRANSMIT THEM TO THE STATE? WE HAVE ONE CURRENT DR THAT DOES THE INITIAL INSPECTIONS, AND HE ALSO HANDLES THE, UH, MAINTENANCE, THE, THE COMPLAINTS.
AND, UH, I'M HOPING I'M GONNA PROPOSE THAT WE CAN DO THIS WITH JUST ONE MORE.
I'M HOPING SO, BUT WE'VE NEVER DONE IT KIND OF TAKING BABY STEPS HERE.
I AM ALSO KIND OF TAKING GUIDANCE FROM THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES.
UH, ELLIS COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE.
ELLIS COUNTY HAS FIVE DRS DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES THAT DO THE INSPECTIONS.
I DO NOT KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE FIBER.
I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE.
I, I INTEND ON MAKING A TRIP TO ELLIS COUNTY TO REVIEW AND TRY TO TRY TO STREAMLINE OUR DEPARTMENT AND MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL FEE FOR A NEW INSTALLATION WOULD BE $410? YES, SIR.
HOW MANY NEW INSTALLS DID KAUFMAN COUNTY DO LAST YEAR? 38, I BELIEVE.
SO NEW INSTALLS, 38 NEW INSTALLS.
I WOULD INDICATE NEW RESIDENTS COMING TO THE COUNTY.
AND WELL, YOU SAID LAST YEAR, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS A MONTH.
I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS WITH ME.
UH, I'M STILL WORKING ON THOSE.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME NUMBERS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
THERE WAS A, A, A PEAK FROM ABOUT 95 TO 2000 THAT WE WERE OVER 200 NEW INSTALLATIONS PER YEAR.
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UH, BUT AS FAR AS THE RECENT YEARS, I HAVE NOT, UH, GOTTEN ALL THAT DATA YET.UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT ALL THAT INFORMATION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'VE BEEN BASICALLY WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL THEN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THIS MOVED FORWARD HERE SO WE CAN GET STARTED.
SO RIGHT NOW, AND, AND I'M, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING COLD ON THE COUNTY BUDGET.
SO IN THE, WHICH FUND IS THIS, WHERE THIS BUDGET MONEY IS? PUBLIC WORKS.
YOU'VE CURRENTLY GOT ONE FULL-TIME REPRESENTATIVE.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT IS DR.
WE CROSS TRAIN WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT IN THE EVENT HOLIDAYS, VACATIONS, SICK TIMES, SO FORTH.
WE HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT CARRIES THAT SAME CERTIFICATION.
I'M GETTING THE SAME CERTIFICATION MYSELF.
UH, AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT IN SIGN OFF ON THE INSPECTION? CORRECT.
THEY, THERE'S A, A PLAN REVIEW THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AS SET FORTH BY TCEQ.
UH, DEPENDING UPON THE SOILS, DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSEHOLD, THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS THAT DETERMINES WHAT SIZE YOUR TANKS HAVE TO BE, HOW MUCH LATERAL LINE YOU HAVE.
SO THEY REVIEW THE PLAN UP FRONT AND THEN DO A SITE REVIEW WHEN THE INSTALLER SAYS, I'M READY FOR YOU TO LOOK AT IT.
AND IF THEY DON'T PASS INSPECTION, THEN, BECAUSE IT'S ALL KNOWN FRONT AND APPROVED.
SO IT'S KIND OF IN LOOKING AT A BUDGET WITH THESE TWO NEW FEES, THAT FUNCTION, EVEN IF YOU HAD TWO PEOPLE IN IT WOULD FULLY SUSTAIN ITSELF, RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO.
AND, AND PROBABLY SOME EXCESS THAT'S TO BE SEEN.
UH, WE MAY POSSIBLY HAVE TO LOOK AT.
I'M SEEING THESE OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE MORE
UH, AND SAID I THINK THE, THE, THE CITIZENS ARE JUST CONCERNED.
UH, I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY PAY THEIR WAY, CERTAINLY, BUT NOT TO PAY MORE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE $25 FEE COULD BE 10 OR 15 AND STILL SUSTAIN THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY COULD COME INTO PLAY.
I LOOKED INTO THAT AND, AND, AND IN TALKING TO THESE OTHER COUNTIES, UH, AMP AND HUNT COUNTY SPECIFICALLY, UH, THAT IS THE REASON THAT THEY JUST INCREASED THEIR FEES BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THAT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING PLAY 20 QUESTIONS.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE UH, AUDIENCE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I'M PAULA WEBER FROM ABEL SPRINGS WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION.
AND WE ARE AS A WATER SYSTEM BECOMING VERY AWARE OF TCP REQUIREMENTS ON CERTAIN, UH, REGULATIONS WITH OSSF.
AND ONE IN PARTICULAR BEING, UH, REQUIRING BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES THAT THEY ARE CONNECTED TO A PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY.
AND THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT BEING ENFORCED.
AND SO THERE ARE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FEES FOR THIS AND WE HAVE FEES FOR BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR CITIZENS BEING ABLE TO AFFORD ALL THESE FEES.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THAT IS A FEE THAT'S ASSESSED BY TCEQ DIRECTLY TO THE WATER COMPANIES.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT IS NOT.
IT IS NOT A FEE ASSESSED TO US.
IT IS UP TO US TO ENFORCE THAT AND COLLECT THE FEES BECAUSE IT COSTS US MONEY TO DO THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE MORE AND MORE FEES FOR THIS REGULATORY THING WITH TCQ THAT THE CUS THE, THE CITIZEN HAS TO ENDURE.
HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE AFFORD TO, YOU WERE, YOU WERE REFERRING TO A, A BACK CLUB PREVENTER FOR THE DISPOSABLE WATER? YES.
IF THEY ARE CONNECTED TO A PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY, THEY'RE REQUIRED, IF THEY HAVE AN OSSF, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BACK ONE PREVENTION DEVICE ON THEIR SYSTEM.
YOU TALKING ABOUT TO KEEP THE WATER FROM GOING INTO
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IT IS IT IS TO KEEP, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE SYSTEMS. IT'S TO KEEP THE WATER FROM GOING BACK INTO THE PUBLIC, UH, THE, THE SEWAGE BACK INTO THE PUBLIC FLOORS.'CAUSE THERE IS A CONNECTION, THERE IS A WAY, THERE IS FROM THE HOUSE TO THAT OSSF THROUGH, I'M ASSUMING THROUGH THE DRAINS, YES.
THROUGH THE WASTE DRAINS AND BACK UP THROUGH THE TOILET OR THE SINK.
I DON'T SEE HOW I CAN GET INTO THE PRESSURIZED WATER SYSTEM.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THAT TOO.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT BASIC BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING MORE FEES AND MORE FEES.
YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE TAKE? HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE PUT ON THE CITIZEN? I I JUST, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
WE'RE NOT ASSESSING THIS TO THE CIVIL I I UNDERSTAND IT MAY POTENTIALLY, AS EVERYTHING ELSE DOES FILTER DOWN TO THE CIVIL AND THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY DOING THE INSPECTIONS, ARE THEY, ARE THEY, AREN'T THEY LICENSED REGULATED IN SOME WAY? YES.
THEY HAVE TO, SO IF THEY'RE CAUSING VIOLATIONS, THEN THEY SHOULD BE HELD AT A VERY HIGH STANDARD JUST AS I WOULD BE IF I, I HAVE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF LICENSES.
SO I'M HELD TO A REALLY HIGH STANDARD.
SO WHY ARE THEY NOT UNDER THE GUN? THEY ARE DOING, WE, WE TURN IN APPROXIMATELY 75 TO 80 COMPLAINTS PER MONTH.
HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN A PROVIDER TO LOSE THEIR LICENSE? I HAVE HAD THEM.
UH, I'VE HAD KNOWLEDGE WHERE THEY WERE PUT ON, UH, THINK THEY CALL IT NOTICE OF VIOLATION OF MM-HMM
I DO NOT KNOW ANYONE'S EVER LOST THEIR LICENSE.
WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 75 TO 80 CASES THAT WE HAVE TO PREPARE EACH MONTH FOR THE, UH, JP COURT TO ASSESS.
AND IT'S CALLED THE LASH HEARINGS.
IT'S AN, AGAIN, FOR THE SAFETY SYSTEM.
AND THOSE VIOLATIONS CAN BE UPON THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDER FOR NOT DOING THEIR WORK PROPERLY.
IT CAN ALSO BE UP ON THE HOMEOWNER THEMSELVES OR NOT OBTAIN THE CONTRACT.
WELL, AGAIN, IT'S ON THE HOMEOWNER, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THEY SELECT THE RIGHT PROVIDER.
'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING THEY GET TO CHOOSE FROM A LIST JUST AS, JUST AS I'M IS WHAT WE HAVE.
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE UH, AUDIENCE? OKAY.
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE EXIT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, ON REGULATIONS.
SO MAY HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER UH, MANNING, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER LIK ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, AND WE HAVE THREE ITEMS THERE.
ONE IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER THE SIXTH, OCTOBER THE 13TH, OCTOBER THE 17TH AND OCTOBER THE 27TH MEETINGS OF THE COURT.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS A GOOD THING.
IT'S AN ITEM, UH, B UH, THOMAS CURTIS, THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.
AND HE'S GOING TO PRESENT A PLAQUE TO US HERE A LITTLE BIT.
AND RECOGNITION OF, UH, THE COUNTY BEING WITH THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION COUNTY'S INSURANCE PROGRAM FOR 40 YEARS, I BELIEVE IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND UH, SO ITEM NUMBER C IS TO DISCUSS, AND ACTUALLY IT'S, UH, NOT NECESSARILY APPROVING, BUT IT'S ACCEPTING, UH, THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE COLLEGE COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER SHANE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ACCEPT THE ITEM.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS I GET ALL THE COURT TO COME DOWN AND, UH, MR. CURTIS, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU PRESENT THAT TO AND MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL TAKE A I DIDN'T, I THERE'S CAMERA ON MY PHONE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA EXPLAIN WHAT THIS IS.
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WILL KIND OF WATCH HERE JUST FOR A SECOND.WOOD HONORABLE, UH, MEMBERS OF COMMISSIONER COURT.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE THIS MORNING.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, IN 1974, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE MANDATED THAT COUNTIES BEGAN PROVIDING WORKERS' COMPENSATION COVERAGE FOR ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES.
SINCE MOST COUNTIES COULDN'T AFFORD THIS INDEPENDENTLY AND PRIVATE CARRIERS DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AT THE TIME, UH, TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES WAS TASKED, UH, WITH FINDING A WAY TO ASSIST COUNTIES WITH THAT ENDEAVOR.
AND OUT OF THAT, THE RISK MANAGEMENT POOL WAS BORN.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE EXPANDED THOSE COVERAGE LINES TO EIGHT ADDITIONAL LINES OF COVERAGE, INCLUDING YOUR CRIME, YOUR PROPERTY, AND YOUR LIABILITY COVERAGES.
BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY MARKING OUR 40TH ANNIVERSARY WITH THE RISK MANAGEMENT POOL TO RECOGNIZE KAUFMAN COUNTY FOR BEING A PART OF THIS POOL OF COVERAGE, UH, SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
AND SO ON BEHALF OF TAC, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS STONE AND GRAVE PLAQUE, UH, COMMEMORATING YOUR TENURE WITH THE RISK MANAGEMENT POOL AND THANKING YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO YOUR CITIZENS AND TO YOUR EMPLOYEES.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR LONGEVITY AND UH, WE HOPE TO CONTINUE MANY YEARS OF SERVING.
I DON'T, MOST, A FEW OF US WERE AROUND FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT NOT MANY OF US, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ME.
I DON'T THINK I WAS AROUND FOUR YEARS AGO.
BUT, UH, WE DO APPRECIATE THIS, UH, THIS HONOR AND UHT TAKES VERY GOOD CARE OF US AND IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS IN MANY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE MOUNT.
SO DOES EACH COMMISSIONER GET A COPY OF THAT?
ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE QUITE FOUR YEARS, THERE IS SOME MOUNTING HARDWARE IN THE BOX.
GO AHEAD, PUT THAT ON THE, ALRIGHT.
SHE A ALRIGHT, I THINK I GOT IT.
GO THAT WIDE AND WE'RE STILL FILMING.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REVISING THE ON ONSITE, UH, SEWAGE FACILITY REGULATIONS AND INCREASING AND OR ENTERING NEW FEES FOR CALL COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JUST A MOMENT AGO.
UH, GENTLEMEN, RAISE YOUR PLEDGE.
I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON IT, EVEN THOUGH I AGREE THAT THE PRICES DID GO UP.
MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE HAVE FEES ON ANYTHING, YOU CAN ONLY COVER THE AMOUNT.
IT CAN'T BE A MONEYMAKER, YOU CAN ONLY COVER THE AMOUNT IT TAKES TO IMPLEMENT THAT PROGRAM.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE IF WE DO HAVE 8,000, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON THAT ALMOST DOES THAT FULL TIME NOW, DON'T YOU, RANDY? UH, I BELIEVE OUR DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY IS LESS THAN 50%, UH, SUPPORTED.
OUR EXPENDITURES ARE, ARE MUCH GREATER THAN THE MONIES THAT WE'RE GENERATING
I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING UH, THAT PROGRAM, THE PUBLIC WORKS WITH TAX DOLLARS.
BUT IF, IF YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON DOING THIS MAINTENANCE RENEWAL, WHICH I THINK IS ONE PERSON DOES RUNNING SHOULD NOT BE A PLACE FOR JOHN, I GUESS REBECCA, YOU CHARGE MORE THAN IT COSTS TO ACTUALLY DO THAT PROGRAM.
I'M GONNA GET IT FOR A SECOND.
I SAID COULDN'T YOU CHARGE MORE OF A FEE THAN IT COSTS TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM? IF YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON THAT'S DOING THAT, THAT COSTS THE COUNTY 50, $60,000, THEN SHOULD NOT THE FEE JUST COVER THE 50, 60,000 PLUS SOME OVERHEAD.
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AND THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED.I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL FEES THAT WE'VE UTILIZED IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE THAT THE LANGUAGE IS THERE FOR A REASONABLE FEE TO, UH, ADMINISTER COVER EXPENSE.
UH, GOING DUE TO THIS, BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, UH, IT MAY BE, WE MAY STILL NOT BE, I DUNNO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO NEW GROUND HERE.
GROUND SOMETHING THAT KAMAN COUNTY HAS NEVER DONE THAT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND THE SURROUNDING, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT I SPOKE WITH THAT HAD THESE 10 OR 15, THEY'RE THE ONE INCREASING ROCK, I BELIEVE.
AND I THINK ELLI COUNTY IS 45.
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF YOU.
WELL, I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION WHETHER THIS WAS, I WORKED FOR WHAT, I WORKED FOR WATER DISTRICT FOR 10 YEARS AND WE DID NOT RECOUP OUR FEES OF HAVING TO SEND OUR INSPECTORS BACK OUT THE SECOND, THIRD, SOMETIMES FOURTH TIME.
WE HAD TO CALCULATE THEIR HOURLY RATE, THE COST TO THEIR VEHICLE, THE MAINTENANCE, ALL THEIR BENEFITS TO COME UP WITH AN HOURLY RATE TO START CHARGING THOSE FEES.
'CAUSE WE WERE NOT COVERING OUR OVERHEAD BECAUSE THE GUYS, WHEN THEY HAD TO GO BACK OUT, WERE HAVING TO CHARGE US EXTRA TIME AND THEY WEREN'T GETTING THEIR REGULAR JOB DUTIES.
AND I KNOW THAT FROM EXPERIENCE BECAUSE TCQ COME DOWN HARD ON US BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS $25, UH, THING, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
IF FOR SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE SITTING IN THE OFFICE THE ENTIRE TIME AND THEY'RE GOING, YEAH, THAT PERSON WOULD BE DOING INSPECTION.
IT'S BE PAPERWORK BACK FORTH INTO DATABASE.
WHAT I'M WONDERING IS BRING IN ADDITIONAL INSPECTORS SO WE CAN GO OUT AND, AND GO BEHIND THESE INSTALLERS AND GO BEHIND THESE INSPECTIONS.
WE HAVE MANY OF OUR CUSTOMERS COME TO US AND COMPLAIN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING BEHIND THESE QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS.
UH, NEVER HAVE, BUT YET THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS ARE COMING FROM, IS THAT'S THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING TAKEN.
THAT, THAT'S MY INTENTION, IS TO GO IN AND START UTILIZING, TO GO IN AND START TAKING CARE OF THE, WE GO BACK AND START BEHIND THESE INSPECTIONS AND ALSO ALLOW US TO, UH, JUST ALL THE COMPLAINTS.
NOT ALL THE COMPLAINTS COME FROM THE, UH, FOR A, THAT'S NOT OBTAINED THAT.
AND UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE PUBLIC.
YOU CAN ADD MORE PERSONNEL THAT I CAN BUY WITH THAT.
BUT I CAN'T SEE CHARGE $200,000 FOR A PERSON JUST TO DO THE PAPERWORK.
THAT'S NOT, SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT YOU PROPOSE IS, UH, EVERY TIME THERE'S A QUARTERLY INSPECTION SUBMITTED BY A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT PROVIDER, EVERY TIME THAT COMES ACROSS YOUR DESK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY SUBMIT A REPORT TO TCQ AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEND ONE OF YOUR GUYS OUT BEHIND THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT PROVIDER SAYS, MAKE SURE HE IS DONE HIS JOB.
WELL, IF THERE'S BASIS, IF THERE'S 8,000, IF THERE'S 8,000 PERMITTED SYSTEMS TIMES FOUR QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS, THAT'S 30 OR THREE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME WITH 20 PEOPLE TO GO OUT THERE AND GO BEHIND.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE HELP HERE SO WE CAN START MAKING THINGS BETTER.
I'M NOT COMING OUT AND ASKING FOR FIVE PEOPLE.
I'M NOT KNOWING IF I NEED THAT.
BUT I'M GONNA ASK FOR ONE OR TWO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING? IT'D BE, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE RANDOM.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN GO BEHIND 24,000 A YEAR.
I DO INTEND ON, BESIDES THE CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS, SETTING ASIDE A COMPLAINT, I, I INTEND TO GO BEHIND TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY MERIT TO THESE ACCUSATIONS THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE BEING, SOME, NOT, NOT ALL COMPANIES ARE THAT WAY OF COURSE, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BEING PROBLEMATIC.
AND IF IT WERE ALL THE COMPANIES THAT WERE PROBLEMATIC, THEN YES, WE WOULD'VE 24,000
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OF THESE TWO GO BEHIND.DOES THAT MEANS, BUT REFER TO THE HENDERSON COUNTY, UH, COMPARISON THERE, IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT.
WE HAVE, UH, VAN COUNTY, HUNT COUNTY, ROCKWALL AND COUNTY PLUS
AND UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR FEES, THEY ARE, UH, WELL THE TOP OF WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME THAT, UH, THAT RANDY'S RECOMMENDING THE 360 ON THE SINGLE FAMILY, THE MULTIFAMILY AND RE UH, REINSPECTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THEY'RE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AT, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ON MULTIFAMILY.
YEAH, THEY, THEY CURRENTLY USE THE SAME FEE.
AND THEY HAVE ALSO REALIZED, BECAUSE THE BIG COMMERCIAL, THEY HAVE TO OKAY.
AND THE REINSPECTION, UH, WE'RE AT 150 THERE AT A HUNDRED.
AND ON THE REINSPECTION COMMERCIAL, UH, THEY'RE AT A HUNDRED AND, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING UP TO 300.
THEN ON THE MAINTENANCE, UH, CONTRACT RENEWALS, UH, ONE YEAR, $10 WE'RE ZERO.
AND THEN ON THE UH, UH, TWO YEAR CONTRACT, IT'S 20, WHICH IS BUILDING TO DO EVERY TWO YEARS.
UH, AND THEN THE MODIFICATIONS AND ADD-ONS, THAT'S A NEW APPLICATION THAT IS PENDING.
UH, THAT WOULD BE AN EXISTING SYSTEM AND LET'S SAY, UH, A FAMILY OF, OF THREE OR FOUR MOVED OUT OF THE HOUSE AND A OF SIX OR EIGHT MOVED IN AND IT'S JUST SYSTEM HANDLE.
SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME MODIFICATIONS.
IT WOULD CONTINUE TO ACT UP ON THEM AND HAVE LAWSUIT.
JUST SO YOU CAN KNOW, WHEN WE PREPARED THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET WAS BACK.
WE ELIMINATED THE DIRECTOR'S POSITION.
UH, WHICH RANDY NOW HOLDS AS WELL AS FIRE MARSHALL AND ALSO THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE CUT BACK ONE POSITION, UH, WITH A LADY THAT WILL BE RETIRING IN JANUARY.
AND THAT'S ALL THE MONEY WE HAD IN BUDGET, I BELIEVE WAS FOUR THREE, UH, FOUR, THREE MONTHS TO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
AND THE SAME WAY ON ANOTHER PERSON THAT WILL BE RETIRING IN MARCH, I BUDGET IN FOR SIX.
SO HE'S GONNA HAVE TWO PEOPLE LEAVING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE.
UH, QUITE HONESTLY, KATHY WAS DOING A LOT OF THIS WORK, I THINK BASED ON WHAT I'VE TOLD, AMOUNT OF CLERICAL WORK.
AND SO, UH, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, UH, MAYBE LOOK AT WHAT HENDERSON COUNTY IS DOING, UH, AND NOT GO THE FULL, UH, $25 AND $50 PARTICULARLY ON THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.
UH, REVIEW OF ONE YEAR, UH, FOR 10 AND THEN 20, UH, AND LET US GET STARTED ON THIS, UH, AND LOOK AT THE OTHERS AND WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR AND SEE WHAT IS AT.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FIGURES, BUT I DO NOT, I DO KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UH, IS, IS OFFSET THE, THEIR, UH, THEIR REVENUES.
WE ADD TAX MONEY TO THAT, WHICH MEANS THAT THIS OCCURS OVER THE COURSE OF THE RURAL AREAS.
IT DOESN'T OCCUR IN THE CITIES, BUT IT MEANS THE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY ARE ACTUALLY SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE RURAL AREAS.
ISN'T THAT A FAIR WAY TO, AND THIS ONLY APPLIES TO AEROBIC SYSTEMS, SYSTEMS, NOT, NOT ALL THE OTHER OUT THERE.
UH, IF I MAY SIR, THEN YOU WERE AT HAND, HENDERSON COUNTY, HENDERSON COUNTY HAS A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT DOES THOSE ALL CONTRACT YES, SIR.
I SPOKE WITH THE, I WAS THE WIFE OF THAT AND THAT'S, I SHE DID INDICATE THAT THEY WERE ABOUT TO HAVE TO GO UP BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THEMSELVES AS WELL.
AND SO THEY HAVE A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT DOES THIS INSTEAD.
AND, UH, ELLIS COUNTY AND ROCKWELL COUNTY HAVE BEEN REVIEWING IT FOR SOME TIME.
I THINK THEY KIND TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT.
I GOT FROM, UH, FROM S COUNTY AND UH, THEY WERE ALSO BEEN WATCHING VAN COUNTY.
VAN COUNTY SEEMS TO BE THE MOST, UH, PROGRESSIVE OF ALL TRYING TO, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA GO 25 LESSER HAVE WITH THAT, I DO BELIEVE IT WOULD NEED THAN PERSONALLY, ESPECIALLY PERSON PERSONNEL ARE, HAVE TO BE PLACE,
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I DUNNO, THE S AND EVERYTHING ENCOMPASSED AND THE TRAINING.THE TRAINING AND PLUS THE FACT THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CROSS TRAINING IN DEPARTMENT MORE THAN ONE PEOPLE.
JUST THE SHE FACT OF VACATION TIME, SICK TIME, SO FORTH WHERE WE DON'T GET BACK.
FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES NOW, HE TAKES A THREE WEEK TRIP EVERY YEAR TO, UH, NEW MEXICO.
AND UH, THAT COULD BE UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC OFF AND PUTTING THESE COMPANIES OFF FOR A DAY OR TWO FOR AN INSPECTION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION ON THIS TODAY.
I BELIEVE, UH, THAT THE COURT'S DISCRETION OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
I'D LIKE TO SEE ON PAGE FOUR, THE PARAGRAPH A CHANGE TO, UH, EXEMPT PEOPLE WITH 10 ACRES.
LARGE STATE LAW MANDATES NOT REQUIRED TO REQUIRE EVER PROPERTY OWNER TO BE INSPECTED.
EVEN IF THEY EVER A SYSTEM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST A PARK SYSTEM? IT SAYS OSS.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN OSSF.
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AIC SYSTEM.
UH, AIC SYSTEMS TYPICALLY CAME AROUND BECAUSE OF THE SMALLER TRACK PROPERTIES AND PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT IN THE NECESSARY LEGAL FOOTAGE OF STANDARD PIPE FOR YOUR STANDARD SYSTEM.
AND I COULD EASILY UNDERSTAND, MAN HAS 10 ACRES WHEN LAID OUT PRODUCT.
HE COULD RUN AS MANY LATERAL FEET AS HE NEEDED IN ORDER TO SATISFY THAT SYSTEM AND THEY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO NECESSARILY HAVE, BECAUSE HE COULD ACCOMMODATE THROUGH MORE PIPE AND MORE THAN RIGHT FROM THE, BUT YOU WANT EXEMPT SOMEBODY WHO HAS 10 ACRES OR MORE, EVEN IF THEY HAVE A BROKEN SYSTEM OR EXEMPT DOWN FROM INSPECTION FROM A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, THEY WOULD, ON THIS CONTRACT, THEY WOULD ONLY BE HARMING THEMSELVES THERE.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.
I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE NO SENSE TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY.
TTCP WEBSITE SAYS TEXAS LAW DOES ALLOW FOR OSSF TO BE EXEMPT FROM PERMITTING.
IF OSSF SERVES A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON A TRACK LAND THAT'S 10 ACRES OR LARGER.
BUT YOU READ DOWN BOTH THINGS, YOU READ DOWN THROUGH ABOUT 20 MORE CHAPTER AND THAT'S WHERE IT ABOUT FIRST MEETING QUALIFY.
IT COULD SAY SOMETHING SUCH AS, UH, YOU'RE EXEMPT PERMITTING, SERVICING FEDERAL BUSINESS ON LARGER AND IS NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A PERMIT FROM THE LOCAL PERMITTING AUTHORITY.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IF THERE'S A COURT ORDER THAT SAYS THE LOCAL PERMITTING AUTHORITY IS KAUFMAN COUNTY, THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT ORDER OR NOT? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT SPECIFIC ORDER, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF LANGUAGE THAT IT'S REQUIRED AND UH, ALSO BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, THIS TEMPLATE THAT WE'RE READING HERE, THIS, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A TEMPLATE THAT'S PROVIDED BY TCQ AND IT'S THERE.
I DIDN'T SAY STANDARDS, BUT I BELIEVE I THAT COULD BE, IF WE HAVE THAT ORDER IN PLACE, THAT THIS WOULD BE TEMP OF YOU.
I DO KNOW OTHER COUNTIES DO NOT CHARGE AND DO NOT INSPECT FACILITIES ON 10 ACRES.
NOW, WHETHER LEGALLY OR NOT, I DUNNO, WE MIGHT DO PROVIDED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ALSO FOR ANY COUNTY, UH, NOT A NEW ORDER THAT ANY COUNTY WANTS TO ADOPT.
AND IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR THE, UH, REVISIONS IN, SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IT PROVIDES THAT WE CAN ADOPT AN ORDER.
I THINK WE, WE NEED, WE WILL SEND THIS BACK DOWN TO TCW TO APPROVE AND IF WE SEND SOMETHING DOWN THERE, THEY CAN'T APPROVE, THEY'LL SEND IT BACK TO US.
UH, SO THAT, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED AND THAT PARAGRAPH A YES SIR, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU.
THIS STATE STATUTE FROM FROM THE OSSF, FROM AEROBIC SYSTEM, FROM THE UH, JUST THE REGULATIONS PERIOD.
WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULD, THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO AEROBIC WITHOUT INSPECTIONS OR A
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REGULAR PER SYSTEM.AND IF THEY WANTED TO ADD ON TO, THEY DO THAT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
MAY I'M, I HOPE THEY WOULD MAINTAIN, ESPECIALLY WITHIN OUR SYSTEM, YOUR STANDARD SYSTEM.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN RUN IT UP LINE, TAKE CARE OF STANDARD SYSTEM.
MY BIG CONCERN IS I DON'T WANT RAW GETTING THE TOP OF THE GROUND ANYWHERE IN THIS.
WELL, I'M SURE HOMEOWNER WOULDN'T AND THAT DID, DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIND THEM? YES SIR.
REGULATION THE LAST YEAR YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIND THEM IF THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH STATE REQUIREMENTS.
RAW SEWAGE OFF THE SURFACE TO THE EXTENT OF BEING A ANCE.
OTHER, OTHER CHANGES OR RECOMMENDATIONS? EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE ONE THE COMMISSIONER SIGNED, SUGGESTED WE ADD TO THIS? I JUST, UH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT WE, UH, IF WE PASSED THAT DEAL, UH, WHERE THAT, WHERE EVEN IN AEROBIC SYSTEM, YOU CAN'T ASSUME THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO, UH, MAINTAIN THEIR OWN EROSION SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN ANYTIME YOU MAKE AN ASSUMPTION, UH, AND I'VE MADE LOT OF, IT'S GENERALLY WRONG.
I MEAN YOU JUST CAN'T ASSUME DEALING WITH SO MANY PEOPLE.
UH, I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE THE POINT ON, ON 10 ACRES OR LARGER WITH A, WITH A PERK SYSTEM, BUT A ROOFING SYSTEM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF INSPECTION DOWN THERE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL BECAUSE PEOPLE GOING DRIVE OFF AND, AND LEAVE THAT STUFF.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE NEAREST NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, THOUSAND, 1500 YARDS AWAY.
WELL, THEY NOT GOING I'LL THIS GO A FEW DAYS.
I GET SOMEBODY OUT HERE TO FIX IT.
I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
SO I'VE JUST GOT A LITTLE, I'VE GOT
I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT REGULATING PEOPLE ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THEIR OWN FACILITY.
THAT'D BE LIKE PASSING AN ORDINANCE.
SAY YOU CAN'T PUT A TUNE UP ON YOUR PICKUP ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO A CERTIFIED ROCK.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR OWN TIRES BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, GET RID OF THE TIRE IN, IN A LEGAL MANNER.
AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO DRAW A LINE GIVING PEOPLE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
BACK TO FOR AFFIDAVIT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UH, YOU, YOU WERE REFERRING TO EXEMPT FROM ANY TYPE OF SYSTEM OR SPECIFICALLY THE WELL IT SAYS ON SITE SPECIFIC.
SO ESSENCE, WE'RE WE'RE REGULATING THEM ON ANY SIZE ACREAGE, ON ANY TYPE OF SEWAGE FACILITY FROM THE PERMITTING PROCESS, NOT ALLOWING THEM TO POLLUTE THE POLLUTION PROCESS STILL FALLS UNDER YOUR JURISDICTION, WHETHER IT'S AEROBIC, CONVENTIONAL OR WHATEVER.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW REQUIRE PEOPLE GET A PERMIT THAT ON OWN PROPERTY.
YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE THE FACT OF REQUIRING THEM TO BE PERMITTED ON THE, WELL THE PERMITTING AND THEN HAVING THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS AND, AND YOU KNOW, NOT BEING ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR OWN PROPERTY, UH, AND BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY.
I UNDERSTAND AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITHOUT TAXING 'EM OR FINDING THEM OR PERMITTING THEM.
UH, POSSIBLY I EVEN SUGGEST THAT WE COULD CHANGE THE VERBIAGE ON THAT TO INSTEAD OF JUST ON SITE SWITCH FACILITY, WHICH IS A BROAD TERM FOR ANY TYPE OF SYSTEM.
THREE TO FOUR TYPES OUT THERE, PRIMARILY NOT THREE TYPES.
UH, DO THAT TO SPECIFICALLY JUST AEROBIC SYSTEMS. THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET THE INSPECTION AS TCQ REQUIRES.
IF THEY HAD THE NON AEROBIC SYSTEM, THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF KNOWLEDGE.
SO IF WE WERE TO PHRASE THAT AS, UH, A STANDARD OR NOT AEROBIC ONSITE SEWAGE FACILITY, AND THEY WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF BEING, HAVING BE PERMITTED, NO ONE WOULD'VE TO BE PERMITTED WITH THE STANDARD SYSTEM.
IT'S, IT'S ONLY THE AEROBIC SYSTEMS THAT HAVE THE FILTERS, THE, THE, THE ELECTRICAL WIRING AND INJECTION AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S, I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE PRETTY COMPLICATED FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE TRAINING AND ABILITY FOR THAT.
THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL
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YOU.THEY, THEY'LL KNOW IT'S NOT WORKING.
I DON'T HAVE THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATOR CODE WITH CHAPTER TWO FIVE.
I CAN LOOK IT UP IF YOU WANT, BUT IT, IT DOES ADDRESS IN THERE THAT UNDER THAT CHAPTER THAT A PERSON THAT HAS AN AEROBIC SYSTEM IS REQUIRED EVERY AEROBIC SYSTEM, AEROBIC SYSTEM ONLY.
I BELIEVE IT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
WE DEFINITELY WANNA INCLUDE THAT, BUT UH, I THINK WE OUGHT GIVE THEM AN OPTION WITH 10 ACRES MORE TO, UH, INSTALL WHICHEVER SEWAGE SYSTEM THEY DEFER AND THEY WOULD'VE THE STANDARD SYSTEM MUCH LAND THE ISSUES HERE.
AND IT'S ALSO ADDRESSED FURTHER DOWN IN, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S E OR F, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE ACREAGE ITSELF UNDER SEAT.
NOW THAT'S WHERE IT SPECIFIES ON THE AC ACRES OF, UH, LESS THAN THAN ONE ACRE.
YOU KNOW, IT MUST BE DESIGNED AGAIN.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING BY THE DISTRICT.
WELL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, EVEN THE ONE ACRE TRACKS, I CAN SEE THE NEED TO, UM, BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE, ARE DENSE, ARE POPULATED, I CAN SEE THE NEED FOR THE REQUIREMENTS THERE.
DO THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TOP NOTCH COUNTY SPECIAL ORDER EVER ATION WITH KATHY HORSE.
WE MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS REQUIREMENT.
CAN YOU LOOK UP WHERE YOU'RE THERE THROUGH THE MAJOR FISH WASN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT FROM HERE.
I BE CONNECTED TO GET INTO FISH BECAUSE COUNTY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES.
AND WE MAY HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT REQUIREMENT.
WE SUSPECT THE LAW MAY HAVE CHANGED TOO SINCE THAT TIME.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COURT ORDER TO DO THAT.
I, I HAVE THAT COURT ORDER IN MY OFFICE.
IS THIS A HURRY UP SITUATION OR COULD WE TABLE THIS THAT YOU DO? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET STARTED.
WELL, I MEAN WE WOULD TOO, BUT LET'S, LET'S, UH, TABLE IT AND LET YOU GET YOUR FEET ON THE GROUND.
GET, GET THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
I'LL NOT BE HERE FOR THE NEXT.
WELL, IF, IF WE DO THAT, IF WE DO DECIDE THE TABLE, THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST THING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, SO MANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ASK JIMMY AND RAY TO WORK WITH YOU IN COMING UP WITH ACCEPTABLE.
THAT WAY WE CAN GET ON THE PHONE.
THE COURT WANTS TO TABLE THIS.
JOHN, YOU I I I JUST WANT TO UH, I WANTED TO SAY TWO THINGS.
THE FIRST THING IS YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE IS IT? WE TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES, THE AUTHORITY.
AND I WAS CHECKING BACK THROUGH THIS ONE, PAGE THREE, IN PARAGRAPHS FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN, IT SAYS THAT COLMAN COUNTY IS GOING TO, UH, TAKE ON ITSELF THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE, UH, THE ATTACK REGULATIONS AND THEN TO, UH, COMMISSIONER ZALE'S POINT, IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE, UH, PARAGRAPH A I THINK THE WAY THAT WOULD MAKE MOST SENSE IS ON PAGE FOUR PERSONS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, IF YOU OMIT THAT, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF LAND, IF YOU JUST DELETE THAT AND THE NEXT SENTENCE START WITH PERSONS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WITH GREATER THAN 10 ACRES SHALL BE EXEMPT FROM LIKE WHATEVER IT'S THAT YOU WANNA BE EXEMPT FROM, THEN I THINK YOU HAVE THAT ABLE TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AGAIN BECAUSE YOU, IF YOU HAVE GREATER THAN 10 ACRES, EVERYBODY'S WORK TO HAVE A STANDARD GRAVITY SYSTEM.
UNFORTUNATELY, WITH SMALLER LOCKS AND THE TIGHT SOIL, THAT'S WHAT MANDATES THAT THEY GET EITHER THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM RIGHT, OR THE AEROBIC SYSTEM.
SO WITH, I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO GET ANEROBIC SYSTEM THE ADDITIONAL CHARGE WHEN THEY CAN PIPE PIPE ONLY 10 ACRE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT COST, IT COSTS FOUR PUT IN A GOOD CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM.
IT DOESN'T PUT IN A ROOFING SYSTEM INITIALLY.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ANNUAL COST ON IT.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN A, IF YOU WANNA GO PUT A SUB TANK SYSTEM IN RIGHT NOW TO MAKE THE TC GEAR REQUIREMENTS, THE CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM WILL COST YOU MORE SYSTEM.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT ONGOING FEES.
SO THANK YOU JOHN FOR YOUR, UH, INPUT.
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PLEASURE, GENTLEMEN, IF WE TABLE THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, UH, HAVE, UH, JIMMY AND RAY WORK TOGETHER WITH, UH, AND TCE Q AS WELL AS OUR DAS TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT ALL.IS THE FEE SCHEDULE AND THIS ALL THE SAME AGENDA ITEMS TOGETHER? YES.
SO IF WE, UH, PASS THIS NOW, WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THE, THE, YEAH, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO THE P AND CLARIFY THE OTHER LATER ON.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING TO PROBABLY MAKE THIS EFFECTIVE, UH, DECEMBER THE FIRST OR SOMETHING.
IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD, UH, THAT, UH, GO, YEAH, WE STILL HAVE TO SEND CC.
WE MIGHT WAIT TILL JANUARY THE FIRST TO IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET IT OFF AND GOING.
UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT ON THE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL, UH, TO THE PROPOSED 360 COMMERCIAL, FOUR 10 TO 16 RESIDENTIAL, ONE 50 TO 200 COMMERCIAL, 1 5300, UH, MAINTENANCE CONTRACT RATHER THAN POST 10.
I WOULD, UH, UH, TO KIND OF PHASE INTO THIS THING TO SEE WHERE WE GO.
I, I WOULD RECOMMEND CUT THAT TO 10 AND THEN THE TWO YEAR, CUT THAT TO 20 AND THEN THE ADD-ONS GO WITH THE 200 THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
HOW DO YOU ADD ON TO THE SYSTEM? I'M NOT SURE IF YOU DO SYSTEM, IS THAT MODIFICATIONS FOR CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS? IT WOULD BE ANY MODIFICATION, ADD ANY TYPE OF SYSTEM CONVENTION? IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO BE PRESENTED BY A ED ENGINEER.
IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S FAMILIAR HOW A DESIGN SYSTEM, SO WHATEVER SYSTEM IT BE.
IF IT, IT COULD EVEN BE SOMEBODY THAT DAMAGED AND ROAD SYSTEM AND THEY'RE REPLACE 30, 50 FEET LINE IN A COUPLE NEEDS.
THE SECRETARY SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED FOR A NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, RIGHT.
IF YOU ADD AN IN YOUR HOUSE THAT ADD ONTO YOUR AEROBIC SYSTEM BY PUTTING ANOTHER SPRINKLER HEAD ON, YES, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT, OR EVEN A REPAIR OR MODIFICATION.
IT'S KIND OF A GENERIC TERM THAT, BUT THAT WOULD COVER TIME.
A SYSTEM HAS TO BE EITHER RECONSTRUCTED OR ADDED ON.
IT REQUIRES SOMEONE TO PREPARE IT, THE DESIGNER TO PREPARE THAT THAT HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY OUR TOES AND THEN THE INSPECTION PROCESS ACCURACY.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE NEW INSTALLATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS COMPLEX INSPECTION AND, UH, REVIEW PROCESS.
ONCE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, WE, SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
SO WHAT IS, UH, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I'VE MENTIONED, UH, ADOPTING THE FEES AS PROPOSED EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, UH, RENEWAL.
WE CUT THAT TO 10 FROM 25 AND THE, UH, SET TWO RENEWAL, UH, 50 TO 20.
I, I WOULD LIKE SAY, UM, ON PAGE FOUR, THAT PARAGRAPH A CHANGE TO THE WHATEVER THE VERBIAGE USED TO BE, THE EXEMPT TRACK LAND ACRES, AND WE CAN WORK WITH, UH, YOU GUYS AND WORK WITH, UH, JOHN ON GETTING THE EXACT WORD VERBIAGE THAT NEEDS TO GO ON THERE.
YOU AND RAY, WE YEAH, Y'ALL DO THAT JOHN, THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? YOU BET.
AND THEN PERHAPS DO WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE.
SO COMMISSIONER THE HUNDRED 50 THAT YOU REFERRING TO MODIFICATIONS THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT, RIGHT? I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT, I MEAN, MODIFICATIONS TO THE AEROBIC SYSTEM, THE ONLY THING YOU DO WOULD BE TO ADD SPRINKLER HEAD.
IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE TANK, THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE COMPLETE MORE JUDGE.
I'LL SECOND IT, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADD THE FIRST OF YEAR, I'D LIKE FOR US TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THIS WITH OUR NEW COMMISSION COMING IN BECAUSE I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THEM IN THE LOOP ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE BETWEEN NINE THE FIRST YEAR WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED THE YOU COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE SOME INPUT INTO WHAT HAPPENS HERE AT THIS COURT.
DID YOU PUT THAT IN A FORMAL MOTION? I, OKAY.
CAN I SECOND WITH THE FEES THAT I OUTLINED? YES, SIR.
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SO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE THE COURT AND UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL WORK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO HAVE THE EXACT VERBIAGE THAT WE NEED.UH, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION, IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE FEES.
COMMISSIONER WOULD BE, UH, JANUARY 1ST, OR YOU WANT GO AHEAD AND TRY TO IMPLEMENT THEM.
UH, NOW WHAT'S Y'ALL'S SINCE COMMISSIONER SHANE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, NEW COMMISSIONER'S INPUT ON IT, PROBABLY OUR WAY DEAL, UH, HAVE YOUR WORKSHOP.
I, THE FIRST YEAR WE, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT THEM, BUT HAVE US WORKSHOP, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ON THIS SINCE RANDY'S TAKING US OVER TRYING TO TAKE IT IN A NEW DIRECTION.
I THINK WE AS A COURT NEED TO HELP US.
WE PROBABLY DO THAT AT THE, THE RATE YOU, IF WE CAN SEE IF WE NEED TO.
COUNSELOR WOULD, WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE CHANGING THE VERBIAGE ON THIS PARAGRAPH A SO THAT WE COULD, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION MEETING THAT'S UP TO, TO JUST EXEMPT TRACKS OF LAND.
10 ACRES ARE LARGER FROM THESE, HAVING THAT AS THE SECOND SENTENCE IN PARAGRAPH A, JUST WHATEVER'S NECESSARY YOU TO, THAT WOULD SPEED THINGS UP.
WHAT DOES VOLUNT, I I ALSO MAY ADD ANY FUTURE FEE CHANGES.
OUR FEE STRUCTURE HAS NO RELEVANCE WITH TQ.
IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE COURT ORDER, JUST THE WAY THE ORDER WORKING, THE FEES.
OKAY, SO MS. HUGHES, DO YOU HAVE IT KIND OF DOWN AND THINK? ABSOLUTELY NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M BASICALLY HEARD JIMMY SAY HE IS GONNA APPROVE THE REVISIONS TO THE ONSITE SEWER FACILITY.
REGULATIONS WERE CHANGED, MADE PAGE FOUR, PARAGRAPH EIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO EXEMPT PEOPLE WITH 10 ACRES OR MORE FROM THE OS, UH, REGULATION.
AND HE SET PERMITTING AND MAINTENANCE AND THEN YOU ADDED ADOPTING FEE INCREASES AND IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW FEES AS PRESENTED.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, AND I DID NOT GET THOSE FEE CHANGES ON THE, UH, ON THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT RENEWAL.
IT CURRENTLY WE CHARGE ZERO AND IT, WE HAD PROPOSED 25, WE'D CUT THAT ONE YEAR TO $10 AND THEN ON THE TWO YEAR, UH, RENEWAL IT WOULD BE CUT FROM 50 TO 20.
ALL THE OTHERS PROPOSED REMAIN THE SAME.
THE THE QUESTION IS, IS IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU, WHEN DO YOU WANNA IMPLEMENT THAT? YOU WANNA IMPLEMENT IT? IT'S GONNA TAKE, WE, WE'VE GOTTA SEND THIS TO DCEQ, SO I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY THE FIRST TO IMPLEMENT THE NEW FEES AT AND UH, GIVE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TIME TO GET THAT DONE.
30 DAYS YOU GET THROUGH T MINIMUM.
I HAD A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH GENTLEMAN SO FAR AND HE'S BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE AND, UH, GETTING US ALONG.
PRIMARILY IT'S BEEN NEEDED BY PHONE CONTACT OR EMAIL.
I, I ANTICIPATE A WEEK AT MOST.
ALRIGHT, THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE ISSUE WITH JOHN AND YOU THINK YOU HAVE THAT JOHN? I I THINK SO.
I I I THINK THE SENATE SHOULD READ, THE SECOND SENATE SHOULD READ PERSONS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WITH GREATER THAN 10 ACRES.
WITH, WITH 10 ACRES OR MORE SHALL BE EXEMPT FROM ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR PERMITTING OR MAINTENANCE RELATED TO ONSITE SEARCH FACILITIES.
DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? EITHER THAT OR WE COULD JUST DELETE REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF LAND ON AND JUST PUT IN WITH LESS THAN 10 ACRES OR TRACK LESS THAN 10 ACRES THAT WOULD LEAVE THE REST OF THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH INSPECTION.
WOULD THAT BE SIMPLE EXAMPLE THAT WAY PERSONS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WITH LESS THAN 10 ACRES, WHICH
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FACILITY PRIOR CONSTRUCTION INSTALLATION.IF WE DO IT, IF WE HAVE IT AS A SEPARATE SENTENCE, THEN I THINK IT WILL BE CLEAR THAT 10 ACRES, YOUR OVERT IS ALWAYS EXCLUDED.
I THINK YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT FROM HAVING A SYSTEM AT ALL OR FROM FROM ANY REQUIREMENTS, WOULD THAT ALLOW FOR INTERPRETATION WHERE SOMEONE DECIDES NOT TO PUT IN A SYSTEM AT ALL 5,000? WELL, I GUESS THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO MAKE MR WARRANT, BUT I GUESS THAT'S, WE, WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER RESOLVED IS SAYING BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HERE AND WE'VE ALL HEARD THIS DISCUSSION, BUT THREE YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THIS THING, THEY THINK, HEY, I WONDER IF YOU HAVE 10 ACRES, IF YOU'RE INCLUDED OR IF THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SERVICE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO CERTAIN CITIZENS.
AND I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE WHAT, WHAT I'VE HEARD.
I KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING FROM WHAT SOMEONE'S GONNA LEAVE IN A COUPLE YEARS.
I I JUST THINK, AND STILL THE QUESTION IS, IS IF THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN SOME MORE IN THE PAST, YEAH, WE GO BACK, WE DUNNO.
THERE THAT REQUIRE, THERE'S STILL A QUESTION THAT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THE PAST THAT'S BEEN, UM, THROUGH COMMISSIONER'S COURT SAYING THAT THE 10 ACRES EN LARGER WITH REGULATIONS.
SURE, YOU DON'T WANNA TABLE THIS NEXT TIME
WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT DO THEN? I LIKE JOHN'S PERSONALLY, I LIKE JOHN'S LANGUAGE.
WHAT'S PUT IN THERE? BECAUSE IT WOULD, IF THERE WAS AN ORDER IN THE PAST, WOULD THIS NEW ORDER NOT SUPERSEDE THAT ONE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT ACCOMPLISH WHERE IF YOU GOT 10 ACRES MORE, YOU'RE NOT, IT, IT SHOULD SUPERSEDE IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT'S THE INTENT OF THE COURT.
BUT I I MEAN I IT BE A, I I CONFESS, I DUNNO WHAT PREVIOUS ORDER, WE WILL TRY TO FIND THAT OUT, BUT THIS ORDER WOULD SUPERSEDE THAT.
YES, BECAUSE THE VERBIAGE ON THE FIRST COUPLE PAGES INDICATES IT'S THE ATTEMPT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ENFORCEMENT.
SO HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THE MOTION AS YOU HAVE WITH THE, THE, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL WORK WITH YOU TWO ON, ON THE LANGUAGE, UH, AFTER WE APPROVE THE ORDER, THE VERDICT THAT I DELETED, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT AND PUT IN LESS SO THAT YOU MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG.
ALL WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER IN A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE TO REVISE THE ON ONSITE SEWER SYSTEM FACILITY, THE VERBIAGE, PARTICULARLY ON PARAGRAPH A, UH, WHAT PAGE FOUR AND GO WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED REGULATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED FEES THAT ARE, ARE CURRENTLY LISTED MISUSED.
I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING THE $25 WOULD BE LOWER TO 10 AND THE, UH, TWO YEAR RENEWAL WOULD BE LOWERED TO FROM 50 TO 20.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, THOSE POSTS, IS THAT UNANIMOUS? YES.
OKAY, WELL WE DIDN'T SAY THAT.
DID DECEMBER THE FIRST OR JANUARY THE FIRST? I BELIEVE DECEMBER THE FIRST.
YOU THINK DECEMBER THE FIRST? IS THAT ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, THAT I, I THINK THE, IT PROVIDES AFTER APPROVAL BY THE TCEQ PAGE.
SO AFTER TCEQ, BUT NO EARLIER THAN DECEMBER 1ST THAT Y'ALL WANNA AMEND YOUR MOTION TO WHAT, WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID YOU SAY? EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 1ST, UH, PENDING TCP APPROVED.
OKAY, AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS ALL SQUARED AWAY.
AND I KNOW YOU'VE PUT IN LOT OF HOURS ON THIS AND, UH, LEARNING A LOT ABOUT SEWER SYSTEMS ARE AWARE, A BIG ISSUE IN THE, UH, STATE LEGISLATURE AND, UH, AND SO THIS WAS A RESOLUTION THAT,
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UH, UH, MR. OR JUDGE CHI RECOMMENDED THAT WE FOLLOW WITH THIS IS CURRENTLY THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE.WHICH EXPLANATORY NOTE, THIS IS THE GROUP THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WITH.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT, UH, MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.
UH, I SPOKE WITH, UH, OKAY, YOU PUT THAT IN FORM.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER SHANE, IF YOU HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CLARK.
A OPPOSED, UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER SIX IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A MEMORANDUM OF AN AGREEMENT FROM FA COUNTY AT THE LAKES REGIONAL M-A-M-H-M-R CENTER.
THIS IS AN AGREEMENT WE HAVE HAD FOR SEVERAL YEARS WITH THEM TO DO OUR SERVICES AND IT'S TIME FOR RENEWAL ON THAT.
AND, UH, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IS THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT, SAME CONTRACT? SAME CONTRACT.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. ROSA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND SHANE SECONDS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPOINTING A BOARD MEMBER TO THE KAMAN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
YOU HAVE A COPY OF A LETTER, UH, FROM, UH, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, I BELIEVE, UH, WHERE MS. RAT'S TERM HAS IS EXPIRING AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
OKAY, WELL, UH, I'LL READ THE LETTER.
LETTER, UH, IT SAYS, DEAR JUDGE WOOD, YOUR REPRESENTATIVE OF COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICTS BOARD OF DIRECTORS EXPIRES DECEMBER THE 31ST, 2014.
AS RATCLIFF HAS INDICATED, SHE WAS REAL SERVING OF TERM REAPPOINTED BY CA COUNTY.
A WARRANT SHOULD BE MADE PRIOR TO JANUARY THE FIRST, UH, FIRST 2015.
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY IT'S CALLED A SAMPLE RESOLUTION, WHICH YOU DO HAVE A COPY.
UH, THANK YOU IN ADVANCE YOUR PROMPT ATTENTION.
THIS MATTER IS ALWAYS WE'RE READY TO ASSIST POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, MS. RATCLIFFE, I BELIEVE I YOU STILL IN HERE? I YES SIR.
VISITED WITH YOU AND YOU DID INDICATE IF THE SUPPORT SO DESIRES YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE.
DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THAT, UH, ON THAT BOARD.
UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A FINAL PLAT OF THE UTOPIA RANCH CA COUNTY PRECINCT.
THIS? YES, THANK MR. MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR ENGINEERING SERVICES REGULATIONS AND PROVIDED US EACH PLA MINOR COPIES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND ALSO A, UH, LETTER FROM THE, OUR ENGINEER FIRM, UM, COMMENDING THAT, UH, FOR SAYING THAT ALL REQUIREMENTS BEEN MET AND WE HAD A FLAG LOT ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, I THINK MEETING AND, UH, HAVE WE GONE, HAVE WE 20 REQUIRE WE CHANGED.
SO WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE ON THIS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WE, UH, APPROVE THE FINAL, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ROSA, SECOND COMMISSIONER MANNING.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THANK YOU MR. THANK SAID WORD.
YOU DID GET THE BRING PAPERWORK THOUGH.
UH, DISCUSS AND REVIEW AND CONSIDER AND POSSIBLE MODIFICATIONS
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OF THE FLAG LOT REQUIREMENTS AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND OUR ATTORNEY SUGGESTION.WE TALK ABOUT THIS, I BELIEVE, UH, JOHN? YES.
THIS, UH, PROPOSAL FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, WELL, I THOUGHT I FOUND SOMETHING ON THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK I DID.
I I JUST THIS TAPE LISTEN TO WITH ACTION.
I, UH, I DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING SATISFY.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH LEAVING IT JUST AS IT'S OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE TO A TABLE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER LIK SECONDS.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING GASTONIA UH, WATER SUPPLY.
PLACING A WATER LINE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 40 COUNTY ROAD 40 86 AND THE NORTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 40 84.
COMMISSIONER MANNING, I BELIEVE I WAS CONTACTED BY THE SCURRY GASTONIA WATER SYSTEM.
UH, THEY WENT AND IMPROVED WATER SERVICE DOWN 40 84 TO THE COMMUNITY OF COTTONWOOD.
UH, THEY'LL COME DOWN EAST SIDE OF 40 86 IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY BURIED LINE, APPROXIMATELY 36 INCHES DEEP.
UH, GO DOWN TO 40 84 DOWN, CROSSING THE ROAD, TURN EAST ON 48 NORTH GO, UH, UP TO THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD WHERE THEY START AND WE STOP.
AND, UH, IT'LL IMPROVE WATER SERVICE OUT THERE APPARENTLY THERE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS. WELLS, ANYBODY LIKE ROOF PLANS? THERE'S ABOUT 60 PAGES OF DETAILED PLANS IN HERE.
I MOVE THAT WE LET THEM DO THAT AND FURTHER WATER SERVICE THOSE CITIZENS OUT THERE.
I'LL SECOND WHAT? I GOT ONE QUESTION.
WHY ARE THEY NOT GOING OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY EASEMENT PRIVATE PROPERTY? I DUNNO.
IT'S A, IT'S A MATTER OF TIME.
I DIDN'T ASK WHY THEY'RE GONNA GET OFF.
THEY GET ON NOW, YOU KNOW, MOST ALL NEW WATER LINES IN PRECINCT, THEY'RE GOING BEYOND THAT 30 FOOT LINE CASE IMPROVE.
SO WE MAINTAIN, I DIDN'T ASK, THEY JUST, THEY SAID THEY IN THE MATTER IN THE ENTRANCE OF TOWN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WELL ARE GOING BAD OUT THERE GETTING THE WELL WATER.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THIS THROUGH WHERE THEY CAN USE DRIVEWAY, I BELIEVE WILL SAY ON THE WATER UTILITY.
IF YOU ALLOW 'EM PUT IN YOUR RIGHT AWAY, THEN FUTURE CONSTRUCTION COMES, WHATEVER THEY HAVE THEIR EXPENSE.
IS THERE AGREEABLE THAT IN MOTION THAT IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THE WATER LINE NEED TO BE MOVED BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE.
WHETHER THEY'LL DO THAT BE OKAY.
YOU PUT THAT IN FORM OF MOTION? YES.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IN THE, IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S EVER ANY MAJOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DONE ON 48, 6 AND 48, THAT SCURRY GAS ONION WATER SYSTEM IS SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOVING THAT LADDER.
WE, UH, IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH A LETTER FROM OUR OFFICE TO ON YOU OR ANGIE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE LETTER TO GAS ON STATING THAT.
SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR RECORDS.
THAT CLEAR? SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALRIGHT, WE HADN'T VOTED YET.
YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU NEED ON IT.
UH, TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A NEW FORM FOR THE INDIGENT BURIAL, CREMATION POLICY AND RULES TO RECEIVE FUNDS.
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IS ONE OF THE, UH, TRAININGS, UH, SESSIONS THAT I WENT TO, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.AND THIS IS A FORM AND ALSO THE RULES, THE POLICY, UH, DEALING WITH, WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL IN OUR COUNTY, UH, THAT PASSES AWAY THAT HAS NO FAMILY OR IS INDIGENT, UH, AND HAS NO WAY OF, UH, OF, UH, PAYING FOR THEIR, UH, BURIAL.
UH, THIS IS, I BELIEVE A STATE STATUTE.
UH, THIS IS A, UH, A FORM THAT WAS GIVEN TO US.
WHAT WE DO WHEN WE HAVE AN IN INDIVIDUAL THAT IS INDIGENT AND, UH, FUNERAL HOME CONTACTS US NORMALLY, UH, WE WILL VERIFY THAT THEY'RE INJURED AND UH, WE DO THAT HAVE TO DO.
UH, BUT, UH, IN FACT WE JUST HAD ONE LAST WEEK THAT I DENIED, UH, BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT HAD PASSED AWAY ACTUALLY OWNED 60 ACRES LAND THAT WE WERE ACRES.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY ANY, ANY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE, BUT THAT PERSONAL TRUTH NOT, AND SO YOU RUN INTO ALL KINDS.
WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE A MONTH AND WE TYPICALLY, UH, BURIED THEM ON THE COUNTY CEMETERY CEMETERY THAT WE OPERATE.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE STILL KEEPS IT UP, KEEPS THE MOLD AND SHIP SHAPE.
SO, UH, BUT THIS WAS JUST A NEW FARM THAT CAME OUT AND SO LOOKED PRETTY GOOD TO ME.
SO I, ON ITEM FIVE IT SAYS PUBLIC RECORDS SEARCH, IT PERFORMED.
IS THAT GONNA BE PERFORMED BY THE FUNERAL? NO, WE DID BE, WELL THAT BE THROUGH THAT.
LEMME GIVE YOU A LITTLE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT DALLAS COUNTY DOES DALLAS COUNTY DONATE TO THE SOUTHWEST MEDICAL SCHOOL AND ALSO TO IN DALLAS? WELL, WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL GUIDELINES.
I GUESS WE COULD CHECK INTO THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE THE COUNTY DONATE SOMEBODY'S BODY, WHETHER THEY DOWN OR NOT TO SIGN ONE WAY OR OTHER.
I JUST DON'T PERMISSION OF THE FAMILY, I SUPPOSE I WOULD TO CANADA TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
DOESN'T THAT SOMEBODY'S BODY TO SIGN.
WELL, AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN VERY HESITANT UNLESS THE FAMILY APPROVED, UH, OF, UH, PERMITTING A, A ATION BECAUSE I THINK WE DID THAT ONE TIME.
NO, WE HAD MARRIED SOMEONE AT THE PROPER CEMETERY AND THE FAMILY CAME BACK AND SAID THEY WERE NEVER NOTIFIED OR IT WAS A LONG LOST NEPHEW WAS NEVER NOTIFIED AND SO HE HAD THE TURNED AND WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THIS WAS JUST ONE, I THINK POLICY AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISE IT IF WE NEED TO LATER ON.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK TO APPROVE THE, UH, BURIAL AND POLICY AND THE RULES TO GO ALONG WITH THAT FOR, TO RECEIVE FUNDS.
UH, MR. CLARK MADE THAT MR. MANNING SECOND MOTION.
UH, NUMBER 12 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER COUNTY ON RETENTION ID NUMBER 7 72 84 ADJACENT TO NINE OLD RANCH DEVELOPMENT TO LAND COMPANY LIMITED FOR $4,000 IN CA COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER THREE, I'M SORRY, THIS IS A PIECE OF TRAFFIC COUNTY SITS INSIDE THIS GENTLEMAN'S, UH, UH, PINE RANCH.
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MY QUESTION I GUESS WOULD BE, JOHN, WOULD THIS, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS? DO WE HAVE TO OFFER ADVERTISE FOR SALE OR JUDGE I 53.001 KIND OF COVERS THAT UNDER SALE OF REAL PROPERTY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT.YEAH, WELL THIS, THIS IS TAX, UH, SHOULD BE ON OUR TAX RESALE SOMETIME OR BEEN THERE OR SOMETHING, BUT IT'S BEEN SITTING HERE VACANT FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
UH, I CAN'T, THAT'S ON THE RESALE IT COUNTY BE ON RESALE.
YEAH, UNDER 2 63 0.001 SALE OR LEASE OR REAL PROPERTY COMM'S COURT OF THE COUNTY IS MAY BY AN ORDER ENTERED INTO ITS MINUTES, MAY APPOINT THE COMMISSIONER TO SELL OR LEASE YOUR PROPERTY OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
THE LEASE MUST BE MADE AT PUBLIC AUCTION BE ALSO, UNLESS, UNLESS COUNSEL HAS BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
I DO COURSE IT'S ALSO, I GUESS WOULD BE MATERIALIZED.
UH, IT IS INTERNAL SD AND I GUESS TRANSIT VALLEY COMMUNITY, CORRECT? YEAH, IT, IT IS A, UH, OVERGROWN MOSQUITO INFESTED, SNAKE RIDDEN DEAD.
I MEAN, IT'S A TERRIBLE PIECE AND I THINK, UH, MY PROBLEM IS I HAVE TWO LOTS THAT HAVE JOINED IT AND, UH, AFTER THE LAST RAIN WE HAD SOME, UH, ISSUE WITH OF SOME VERY WET AREAS ON THOSE TWO LOTS.
AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT IF IT WAS NOT A PART OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, MY PROPERTY, I WOULD ASK THE COUNTY TO COME IN AND LOOK AT IT AND, AND TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME REALLY STAGNANT WATER THERE.
WHAT I WAS OFFERING IS JUST TO, TO PURCHASE IT AND GO AHEAD AND CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT A PART OF THIS CORNER TRACK.
SO PUT IT ON THE TACT ROLL AT, AT A CONSIDERABLE RATE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND I'LL TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF NOT ONLY THE SURVEY FOR THAT, FOR THAT SALE, BUT ALSO, UM, TO, UH, TAKE OVER THE, THE UPGRADE TO IT TO, UH, TO PRODUCE A SALE PRODUCT.
SOUND LIKE A GREAT IDEA? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO IT AND I'M FINE WITH WHAT WAS SAID.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE HISTORY, HOW WE, WHAT IS IT? ABOUT 1.2 ACRES? IT'S ABOUT A 1.2.
WE BOUGHT, WE BOUGHT ALL 0.8 RESPONSIBILITY TO PURCHASE.
WE BOUGHT ALL THE, ON 5 98, THE PARTICULAR PIECE OF PERB THEY USED FOR, UH, THE WATER TO DO THE ROAD WORK.
AND SO IT WAS ALL DUTY TO THE STATE.
AND I GUESS THE STATE TURNED AND BACK THE, THERE'S NOT, NOT THAT PROPERTY.
I WOULD LOVE TO GO BID
WELL, I, I HAVE, I HAVE TWO OBSERVATIONS.
UM, FIRST IF, IF WE HAVE IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, UM, REBECCA HANDED THIS TO ME, SO SHE'S CONTEMPLATED THAT, AND I HAVE A SECOND OBSERVATION HERE FOR THAT.
SHE SAID IT SHOULD BE LISTED AS CONSIDER APPOINTING COMMISSIONER SHANE TO SELL THE PROPERTY SUCH SALE TO BE MADE AT A PUBLIC AUCTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 3 6 0 0 1, WHICH MAY HAVE 20 DAYS NOTICE.
THAT BEING SAID, I ALSO REMEMBER THERE'S A SECTION OF SELLING PROPERTY THAT, UH, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT IF IT'S AN ABUTTING LANDOWNER OR IF THERE'S ONLY ONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO IT MAY NOT BE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT.
I, I THINK THERE IS, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT JUMPS THROUGH MY HEAD AND I, IF IT'S TAX SALES LOOK, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT SHOULD BE A PUBLIC, YOU'RE RIGHT, I WOULD LOVE TO BID.
WELL, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A, A RULING AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE ARE SELLING THOSE LOTS AROUND IT AND IT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO EITHER INCLUDE IT IN THAT OR, UH, BE ABLE TO TELL SOMEONE THAT IF THEY BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE COUNTY WOULD CLEAN UP AND TAKE CARE OF THAT AREA.
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TRYING TO JOHN, YOU, YOU AND REBECCA MAY HAVE JACK MAY HAVE TO, I MEAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE PUBLIC SALE THAT 21 DAYS, I PROBABLY, THAT ONE THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.I DON'T WANT CLEAR IT CORRECTLY.
IF WE TABLE IT, WE DON'T TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, BUT A NOTICE OF PUBLIC SALE WILL GO OUT TODAY OR TOMORROW FOR 20 DAYS.
SO IF WE COULD START THE CLOCK LINE AGAINST THAT THEN MY OTHER THOUGHT AND, AND HE'S HANDED ME SOMETHING, JACK'S HANDED ME SOMETHING.
THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION THAT IF THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC SALE CONSUMMATED CENTER.
I MEAN, I, I I SEE 20 DAYS NOT, OKAY.
HOW, HOW ABOUT IF WE PUT ON HERE OR WE DO A MOTION THAT APPROVES THE, UH, SALE OF THE LAND BY WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS THE LAW REQUIRES US TO DO.
SO OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE DETERMINED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY? NO.
IS THAT SATISFAC? IF WE HAVE COME BACK AND DO SOMETHING, JOHN TELL US, WE'LL COME BACK.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE, IS THAT YOUR MOTION? YES.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. ROSA SECONDS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, I, NUMBER 13 IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER WAIVING CALL COUNTY'S RIGHT TO SUBMIT BID TO TDO FOR APPROXIMATELY 2.8435 ACRES AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF US.
80 AND F 48 BELIEVE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE INTERSECTION 5 48 AND 80.
THEY USED IT STORAGE OVER THE YEARS.
A LOT OF TRIANGLES THEY'VE GOT FOR, UH, MATERIAL STORAGE, THEY DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PUT UP THE BIDS.
ACTUALLY THEY, FIRST THEY HAVE TO OFFER IT TO KAUFMAN COUNTY, COUNTY ISB AND THE CITY POINT, IF THEY WON, BUY THAT.
AND IF YOU BUY IT, YOU HAVE TO BUY IT AT THE APPRAISED PRICE, WHICH I THINK IS A MILLION AND A HALF.
SO IF WE WA OUR ROUTE TO PURCHASE THAT, THAT ALLOWS THE CITY OR THE SCHOOL EITHER ONE TO BUY A PIECE OF CARBON THEY WANNA, BUT EVERYBODY HAS TO WAIVE THEIR RIGHT BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GOES OUT FOR PUBLIC SALE FOR A DOLLAR, THEN COURT DRESS VALUE.
SO TANYA, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? NO.
I'VE GOT SOME TYPE OF ID NUMBER THAT I CAN LOOK IT UP, MIKE.
WELL, SHE WOULD JUST HAVE OUR, THE COUNTY APPRA TAXABLE VALUE, BUT THEY'VE HAD AN INDEPENDENT APPRAISER COME AFTER AN APPRAIS.
SO THE QUESTION IS IN REALITY IS DO WE WANT TO WAIVE OUR RIGHT TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S MAYBE BEEN MADE APPROXIMATELY MILLION AND A HALF? YES, WE BE ABLE TO GET THE CITY WANTS TO.
I DON'T THINK WE DO SEE GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IS THIS A TIME SENSITIVE? DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE? THINK SO.
I WELL, IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT IT, YOU FIND THE MONEY QUESTION SIT DOWN AND THIS LAND SPECULATION, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN, WE'RE JUST BARELY OUT OF THE RED ON OUR BUDGET.
SO I MOVE, WE WA OUR RAT TO I SECOND THAT.
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FROM COMMISSIONER, UH, MANNING THAT WE, UH, WAIVE OUR RIGHT TO PURCHASE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.2.5, UH, 2.8 4, 3 5 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF US AND FM 5 48.
UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK SECOND SET.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I SIT BACK AT OUR TWO THINGS, A QUESTION WE GET.
OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO GET A, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, BUT COULD THAT BE VALUABLE FOR THE COUNTY AT SOME POINT? DO NEED TO RELOCATE, SELL HOUSE OR, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, THINK THE MORE VALUABLE RETAIL PIECE OF PROPERTY IF IT'S IN THE STATES NOW OF COURSE IT PUTS THAT MONEY BOUGHT.
PUT THAT MONEY YOU TO EXERCISE, RIGHT? PURCHASES THING TOO.
FUND IT AND ALL THAT BEFORE SPECULATION WHAT IT COULD BE NEW COURTHOUSE WISE, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, AND THEN IF YOU DID WANT COURTHOUSE, IF YOU KNOW WHY LEGITIMATE, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT THERE THAT COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS GO BY THE COURTHOUSE, YOU'VE TWO AND A HALF, 3 MILLION THAT PIECE OFFERENCE, I DON'T PURSUE THAT ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY GENTLEMEN, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OKAY, I'M GONNA GO FOR, UH, DENYING BUT THE SALE PART I NOT DENYING, BUT I'M READ WHERE I'M HERE.
UH, GOING AHEAD AND UH, UH, WAVY COUNTY'S RIGHT TO SMITH TO TEXT OFFICE.
THE ITEM NUMBER 14 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING AN ENVELOPE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF HORNEY FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
AGAIN, THAT, UH, I PUT THAT ON THERE.
THE DURATION OF THE CONTRACT, UH, THAT WE HAVE BEFORE LAPSED.
AND SO WE PUT A NEW, WE PUT EVERY TIME WE PUT A NEW SENTENCE IN OR NEW PARAGRAPH IN HERE THAT THE CONTRACT IS AUTOMATICALLY DUE FOR ADDITIONAL YEAR.
WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW AFTER TWO SESSIONS GO LEGISLATURE APPROVED, EXTEND LONGER THAN ONE YEAR.
IT COULD BE TERMINATED BY EITHER MORNING IF WE WANTED TO, BUT I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE PUT THAT IN ALL OF INTER LOCAL SO THAT SOMEBODY DOES FORGET TO HAVE ONE DONE.
IT AUTOMATICALLY RENEW INFINITELY.
WE RENEW INFINITELY UNTIL THE CITY OR THE COUNTY DOES NOT WANT.
AND, BUT IT'S ONLY FOR ROAD WORK.
ROAD MAINTENANCE DOESN'T APPLY.
THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL A A WITH THIS OFFICE? SO BASICALLY
SO THAT NOW THE LAW ALLOWS US TO HAVE ALONG AGREEMENT WITH A LONGER, OKAY.
ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, COMMISSIONER? I'M SORRY.
IS, IS THERE A A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THIS? NO, THIS IS NOT A PROJECT AGREEMENT.
THIS IS JUST ALLOWED TO ENTER THIS WHAT ALLOWS TO ENTER INTO A PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST YOUR LOCAL AGREEMENT IN EFFECT.
DO YOU? IT'S NOT BUT I JUST, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
WELL, WHEN A PROJECT COMES UP, AGREEMENT, TERRY, YOU PUT THAT IN FORM OF MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER.
SINCE WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, JOHN AND REBECCA PREVIOUSLY I HAD ON THERE ASSIST THE CITY AUTHORITY ACCORDING TO THAT 2 51 1
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WHERE IT WAS YEAH, AT NO COST TO THE CITY.I THINK THE QUESTION WAS DID YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THAT STATUTE THAT LOOKED UP THAT SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE YOUR AGREEMENT IN PLACE, BUT WE DO NOW.
SO IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
BUT WHAT IT IS TO KEEP ME FROM DOING THAT WORK FOR THE CITY OF 20 FOR $400, NOT CHARGING TO KEEP YOU FROM DOING THAT FOR $400 TO NON CHARGE? YES, IT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA TWICE AND TABLE TWICE TO UTILIZE, UH, I THINK IT'S TRAFFIC ION CODE TO ASSIST THE ONE, THE ONE WHERE YOU ASSIST THE CITY, YOU CAN ASSIST THE CITY UP TWO 15,000 PARAGRAPH IN THERE, REBECCA.
I LOOKED AT THAT, RIGHT? I I GUESS THE, THE RESTRICTION IS, IS OF COURSE ONE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, SO IT'S UNDER 15,000.
BUT THERE'S, I I I THINK THAT TWO OTHER RESTRICTIONS AND ONE OF THEM IS, IS THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE DOING OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT THAT'S KIND OF A TEST THAT YOU SATISFY YOURSELF OR HAVE TO SATISFY.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING OVER, ABOVE.
AND ARGUABLY IT WOULD BE, UH, I DUNNO THAT YOU CUSTOMARILY WOULD DO SOMETHING FOR CITY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE DO THINGS FOR CITY ALL THE TIME.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD PUT A VALUE ON IT AND JUST NOT FILL THEM AND THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THAT 15,000 NO, I'M, I'M SAYING HE, HE SAID WHAT WOULD THE RESTRICTION BE? AND I THINK THE RESTRICTION WOULD BE NOT SO MUCH THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OVER AND ABOVE WHAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE BE DOING.
THE WAY THAT'S FORWARDED TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SEEMS TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD COVER SOMETHING LIKE A, A PUBLIC EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO COME IN AND IT WAS SOMEWHAT OF AN EMERGENCY.
OKAY, IF IT'S ONLY $400, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD YOU DO IT FOR FREE? BECAUSE THAT SAYS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR ALL THE REST OF THESE.
LIKE I'VE GOT SEVEN LITTLE CITIES IN MY, IN MY PRECINCT.
I THINK THE PRECEDENT'S ALREADY SAID THAT YOU CAN DO IT.
IT'S WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO IT OR NOT IS YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, I ALSO GOT 328 MILES ROAD AND I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO ALL THESE LITTLE, LIKE IF YOU ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT WHERE YOU'RE GOING INTO A CITY AND DOING SOMETHING FOR FREE AND MY PHONE STARTS RINGING OFF THE WALL AND I COULD BE LINED UP FOR IF I WAS GONNA BE HERE, BEING CHANGED SAYS I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT, BUT UH, FOR THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS I COULD BE ALL LINED UP DOING FREE WORK PROCEEDINGS.
SO WHY WOULD YOU ESTABLISH THAT PRECEDENT? IT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
IT IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO IT OR NOT.
IT ENTIRE YEAR THOUGHT, I THINK, AND I ASKED THIS QUESTION TWICE IN THE PAST, CAN I DO THIS? AND WHAT IS THE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS WHERE YOU CAN'T? YES SIR.
PROBABLY IT'S TOO LATE TO DO IT ANYWAY.
PRACTICALLY GOOD JOB FOR, I JUST WANT TO, UH, IF AN EMERGENCY DID COME UP MY JOHN SAID, CAN YOU DO THAT RATHER THAN AN EMERGENCY? LIKE THE COVER WASHED OUT OF THE ROAD OR THE ROAD WAS BLOCKED, COULD BE A HUGE POTHOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THAT THEY CAN'T GET TO, COULD LEGALLY CAN'T CHANGE GOING OVER THERE AND DONE TWO ASPHALT JOBS IN THE CITY OF CHARLES BECAUSE THEY'VE GONE TO THE COURT.
I WAS ASKING FOR A $400 WAY TO HELP IMPROVE THE CITY OF NEY STREETS OVER THERE.
AND I'M SAYING THEY'RE TOLD THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AGAIN? I'VE HAD JUST CHECK INTO THAT AND UH, AND GET BACK WITH ME ON THAT.
BECKY, ARE YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE? OH YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ANSWER THOUGH.
WHAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU DO, JOHN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU AND REBECCA CAN YES.
THE NEXT MEETING GIVE US, GIVE US REPORT THAT I THINK WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, DO WE NEED TO TABLE THAT THEN? UH, ITEM 14, JUST AGREE ALREADY.
OKAY, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE.
AND NOW BY THE WAY, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO DO THIS.
I MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
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UH, REBECCA BERG IS NOW OFFICIALLY A TEXAS CERTIFIED ATTORNEY AND WE'RE PROUD OF REBECCA TO HAVE HER WITH US AND UH, HE'S A WHOLE LOT PRETTIER THAN JOHN IS.UH, ITEM NUMBER 15 IS TO DISCUSS AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER THE EIGHTH, 2014 TO CONSIDER ABANDONING THE LAKE RAY HUBBARD DRIVE FROM THE NORTH LAKE RAY HUBBARD TO THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LINE.
ALSO PUT ON THE AGENDA, I REQUEST HERE FROM THE LANDOWNERS UP THERE ACTUALLY ONE LANDOWNER, UH, PUTTING IN A SUBDIVISION OVER ON ROCKWALL COUNTY SIDE OF LAKE BAY.
AND THERE'S A SMALL SECTION OF THE, THAT COMES INTO
UH, HE ASKED THAT TO BE ABANDONED SO THAT HE
GOT A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS HERE.
WE, I NEED TO BE DOING ONE, WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO ALL LANDOWNERS AND I'LL HAVE SEND THEM A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE WIDOW GROUP AND ALSO THE CITY OF DALLAS STATING WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER THE EIGHTH.
IS THAT WHAT I PUT ON THERE? MM-HMM
WHICH GIVES THEM ENOUGH ADVANCED NOTICE THAT THEY'LL KNOW ABOUT THAT TO CONSIDER.
IS THAT IN THE ANY CITY LIMIT? WHAT CITY LIMITS? I'M ASKING IS IT IN ANY CITY? UH, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT COULD BE.
THEY'RE PUTTING IN A GOLF COURSE COMMUNITY ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD OVER THERE.
THESE LOTS DOWN THROUGH HERE THAT COME WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY LINE COME THROUGH THERE.
THE LAKEFRONT LOTS IN THERE, THEY'RE PROPOSING THOSE LOTS.
$1 MILLION A PIECE AND OUR COUNTY ROAD WILL BE ONE OF THE LOTS.
IS IT, WHERE IS THE LIGHT HERE? WHERE? UH, THE MINE, THE LAKE IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS, THE, THAT WAS BURNED DOWN AND IT'S SHOWING 1223 FEET HERE.
IS THAT FROM THE COUNTY LINE? NO, THEY'VE ALREADY ABANDONED THIS SECTION.
LAKE RAY HUBBARD GOING NORTH OF THAT.
WHO HAS THE CITY WHO MAINTAINED HOVER DRIVE OR THERE'S A LAKE RIGHT THERE.
SEE IT'S A THING COME DOWN WAY AND THERE'S THE BRIDGE RIGHT THERE.
SO LINE IS SECTION SECTION UP HERE, RIGHT, THE ROADWAY AND THAT PROBABLY, SO THAT BRIDGE THAT BURNED OUT WAS DALLAS COUNTY CITY.
IS THAT IN DALLAS AND DT? YES, IN DALLAS CITY LIMITS.
DALLAS CITY LIMITS ENCOMPASS THE SHORELINES OF LAKE RAY, WHICH IS WHY FIVE COUNTY LAKE.
SO THIS DOTTY LINE HERE, IS THAT DALLAS CITY LIMITS THE CITY LIMITS? NO, THE CITY LIMITS ACTUALLY THE WATER, THE SHORELINE OF THE LAKE, DALLAS AND HEATH GOT INTO A LAWSUIT OVER THAT AND THEY SETTLED THAT, WHICH WHAT THEY BUILT ON HERE AS TO WHO HAS THAT PORTION BACK UP THERE, UH, END UP PREVAILING ON THAT THING.
SO THAT WAS IN THE C HE KIND OF DEVELOPER? NO, ROB HAS DONE DEVELOP THERE.
ROCK DID THE RECENTLY HIT SIGNAL RIDGE? WE'VE GOT SEVERAL VOTES OUTSIDE BUFFALO I THINK DID BUFFALO CREEK.
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UH, THIS AGENDA I DID JUST SET PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 8TH.CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? JUST AS A, AS A PUBLIC PERSON, WHAT IS THE, THE IMMEDIACY OF SETTING THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER AND NOT LETTING THE NEW COMMISSIONER DEAL WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE CITY OF HE IN IN THE DEVELOPER IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL ENSUE.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY ULTERIOR MOTOR FIELD DOING IT QUICKER? IT JUST, THEY CAME TOO AND ASKED ME TO GET IT DONE.
THE UH, ENGINEER USED TO BE THE MAYOR OF HEATH OVER THERE AND OVER THERE THEY'RE ALREADY CUTTING THE STREETS IN ALL THAT SUBDIVISION GOES ALL THE WAY BACK OVER TO SEVEN 40.
QUITE A FEW HOMES ARE GONNA BE IN, WILL BE IN HE C TJ BUT THEY'LL BE IN
SO THEY'LL BE ON COLMAN COUNTY TAX.
STEVE, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT DOING THAT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ISSUES WITH, WITH DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE SITUATION TO DEAL LATELY WHETHER OR NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE WHEN THE BRIDGE BURNED DOWN.
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WHEN THE BRIDGE BURNED DOWN AND I GUESS IT WAS COMMISSIONER OR WAS IT YOU? UH, IT WAS REASON TO THINK THAT WE WERE GONNA PUT THE BRIDGE BACK BACK.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT THE BRIDGE BACK 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN OUR PROPERTY.
YEAH, DO WHAT NOW? THE BRIDGE IS NOT IN OUR PROPERTY.
THE BRIDGE IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS PROPERTY.
BUT IT'S THE, IT'S THE, IT'S THE YELLOW COUNTY ROAD THOUGH ROAD.
WE'RE ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN IT, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN THE CITY OF DALLAS OR IN THE CITY OF HEAT OR IN THE CITY OF PO, IT BELONGS TO US.
I COULD GET A $400 FIX POTHOLE IN PO WHILE AGO.
YOU THINK I'M GONNA GET $2 MILLION TO PUT A BRIDGE ACROSS THERE? WHAT NOW FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS? I DON'T KNOW WHY DIDN'T TECH STOCK REBUILD THAT ON THEIR OFFICES? IT BURNT DOWN.
IT WASN'T, IT WAS NOT THE CITY STRUCTURALLY IN, IN DEFICIENT.
IF IT WAS STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, THE TECH STOCK BRIDGE PROGRAM PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE REPLACED IT.
ARE THEY GONNA MAINTAIN THE ROAD ON THOSE SIDE? IT GOES BACK PROPERTY, IT GOES INTO A SUBDIVISION AND THE PLOTS DESIGN PLOT.
WHAT IS HE GONNA DO WITH THIS SIDE? IT'S NOT IN THEIR PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT IN THEIR SUBDIVISION, IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY THAT BELONG TO TRAVIS RANCH.
ABOUT TO SAY, I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT THINGS OFF, BUT REALLY I'M, UH, THE, THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSED.
CONSIDER HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 8TH TO CONSIDER ABANDONING.
SO REALLY THE ONLY THING FOR THE COURT TO DO IS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 8TH.
AND AND IT SEEMS LIKE WHOEVER IT IS THAT WANTS TO DO THIS PROBABLY WOULD WANT BE HERE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FROM.
SO THAT'S THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THAT'S THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE AT THAT POINT IN, UH, MAYBE RAY, MAYBE YOU AND STEVE GET TOGETHER AND TALK WITH MR. AND THE CITY OF DALLAS BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE DO JOHN, IS THIS INFORMATION YOU SENT ME AVAILABLE TO OTHER PEOPLE? SURE.
I SURE I KNOW IF THEY GOT ON THERE.
IT'S A PRIVATE ATTORNEY PLA THING.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I COULD SHARE IT WITH, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
YEAH, WE HAD SENT A MEMO TO THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT ROADS AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
DECEMBER THE EIGHTH IS OUR REGULAR COMMISSIONER MEETING, SO WE'LL JUST HAVE THAT BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR 15TH MAKE A MOTION.
DO YOU ALREADY MAKE IT? COMMISSIONER CLARK MADE THAT MOTION BACK.
SECOND COMMISSIONER MANNING SECOND MOTION.
ALL THE PAPERS SAY, AYE, THOSE POSTS.
CONSIDER PERSON TRUCK FOR PRECINCT FOOD ROAD BRIDGE UTILIZING THE BY BOARD PROGRAM CONTRACT NUMBER 4 3 0 3.
I BELIEVE A COPY OF THAT QUOTE FROM C 36,004 40 MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY, NOW THE INFORMATION, THIS, I BELIEVE THIS REPLACE THE TRUCK THAT YOU DAMAGED OR
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DAMAGE A HEAVIER DUTY TRUCK THAN ONE.BUT WITH, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S CAPABLE PULLING A HEAVY DUTY, HEAVIER TRAILER.
DO THEY HAVE ANY OF THESE? UH, YOU KNOW WHAT MAY BE ONE A TIME BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEAL FOR THAT TYPE OF TRUCK.
THAT'S AN EXTREMELY GOOD DEAL.
AX, THAT'S, THIS IS THE 13, IS THAT RIGHT? 13 2 13 THAT LONG.
I THINK IT'S JUST A, UH, A FORGO, YOU KNOW, IS THIS OR SINGLE ONE? YOU CAN HAVE A ONE SINGLE CAN IF A DULY AND IT SAYS IT HAS A FLATBED AND I PUT A FLATBED ON.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS TRUCK.
ALL IN MOTION THAT YOU MOTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK MADE THAT MOTION FOR A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER MANNING MADE IT A SECOND.
ITEM NUMBER 17 IS THAT HOT TOPIC OF, UH, BOARDING BID NUMBER 15 DASH OH ONE ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR CUL.
UH, COTTON LUMBER COMPANY, WILSON CULVERTS AND, AND WILSON CULVERTS.
UH, I WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD COMPANY.
USE THEM, BUT I WERE, WERE ALL THESE PRICES DELIVERED TO A PRECINCT? JEFF? I BELIEVE IT.
IS THAT WILSON'S ALSO, BECAUSE NORMALLY THEY'VE BEEN DELIVERED.
I'LL VERIFY THAT THAT COULD BE A HUGE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN UH, YEAH, ELK ELKHART, WHICH IS A LONG WAY FROM HERE.
VERIFY THAT THAT'S THE PRICE AND IF THAT IS, I MAKE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER
HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY A AYE.
AND ITEM NUMBER 18, UH, COOPER, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAKTHROUGH.
Y'ALL LET US, OUR MONEY IS SLOW COMING IN FOR THE FIRST MONTH ABOUT A FISCAL YEAR.
OUR SIGNATURES ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE BROUGHT IN, SO THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THOUGH.
YOU ASK TWO PAYROLLS AND ON INSURANCES WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AUDITOR MONTHLY REPORT.
THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, LET'S TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
I HAVEN LINE ITEM TRANSFER CLEANUP AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, SO I'M GONNA SCRATCH THROUGH IT.
IF YOU'RE NOT THERE TO APPROVE IT, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THE MEETING ON THE, WHENEVER THAT IS.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD TO POST THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE TWO HOURS.
SO DON'T, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THURSDAYS JUST THE, UH, BY FOUR, 10 O'CLOCK OR NINE 30.
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT AT, I MEAN WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING IF WE NEED TO, BUT, OR NOT.
IF WE CAN KEEP, SIR, HOW CRITICAL IS IT THAT WE WELL LINE ITEM TRANSFER.
WELL, YEAH, TO YOUR OUT TO YOUR AUDITOR, TO YOUR HOUSE AUDITOR AND NOT AUDITORS IS PRETTY CRITICAL, BUT UH, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE NEXT, UH, FULL AGENDA.
UM, IF YOU CAN, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I GOT AUDITORS IN AND OUT STARTING DONE, FINISHED ON SOME,
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GOT GOOD REVIEWS AND ON SOME WE DON'T HAVE SUCH GOOD REVIEWS.UH, YOUR BILLS AND I'M SURE PAYMENT ARE 1,000,080 $4,838 AND 30 CENTS.
I HIGHLIGHTED THESE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S COUNTY AUDITOR COPIES SO WE DON'T GET MIXED UP WITH YOURS.
THERE WAS HOW LONG? REALLY? OKAY.
YOU GONNA DO COURT FINGERPRINT? YES.
THAT WAS, WE GOT THE MONEY FROM UH, WE GET THE MONEY FROM THE TECH GRANT, THE FINGERPRINT STUFF.
THAT'S SO THAT'S THE GRANT WE JUST TURNED AROUND.
YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A BILL IN HERE TO TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES FOR $10,000.
THE ACTUAL BILL WAS 14,000 BUT OUR DEDUCTIBLE IS 10.
IT WAS ON MICHAEL BULLARD INVESTIGATION BOOK.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING PAY EXTRA MONEY, YOUR HONOR, OUR UH, LEGAL FEES.
WHEN WE HAD, UH, THE COMPLAINT FILED, I CALLED AND UH, JUST TO CHECK TO SEE WHAT WE TO DO.
WE PUT THEM ON, THEY ACTUALLY SENT THE TEAM DOWN TO TALK WITH.
I SAID THEY TO CHARGE, WELL THEY HAD TO THE TAX INSURANCE STUFF, THAT TRUCK THAT WAS WRECKED, THEY PAID 10,000.
UNDERSTAND, WHERE'D THAT MONEY GO? IT DOES INSURANCE CLAIMS. SO GO BACK TO REPLACE THE TRUCK.
IT WILL, ONCE YOU GET THE TRUCK, WE WILL MOVE THAT MONEY TO OKAY.
YOU'LL MOVE THE 10,000 BY THE WAY, WE DID GET SUED.
HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT LEAVING TODAY? IT'S ALREADY STARTED.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LET JOHN
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KNOW? YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO.WELL IT STILL NEEDS TO SHOW UP PROBABLY, BUT, WE'LL WE'LL IT'S COURT FIRST ONE WE KIND OF SEARCH ALL, GO BACK AND SEND IT AGAIN.
EMAIL WHERE I ASKED IF I THEY DON'T WANNA BUY IT WHEN IT'S ORDER BUY EQUIPMENT TO ACCESS THE INTERNET.
IT MIGHT BE, I'M GONNA LOOK IT UP THOUGH FOR YOU DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE, HEY, IT'S, YOU GUYS ARE GETTING OLD.
YOU HAVE BEEN CLIMBING THE STEPS.
THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE WHERE NINE ALL THE INSURANCE.
SOMETHING TO THAT'S JUST, WELL, I'M JUST UP.
I THEY CLEAN UP OF LOT OF IT CAME FROM AN ACTUAL'S.
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I MEAN THEY, I WENT ALL, THERE'S THREE CASES THAT THERE WERE NO CHARGES.THOSE, AND I WENT TO ALL THE CASES THAT THE CHANGES HE WANTED TO MAKE CONTRACT.
I DON'T, I'M JUST SAYING WE INTO THE GENERAL FUND, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE MONEY EVERY TIME.
IT'S ALMOST 25 PLUS CENTS FOR EVERY ITEM.
AND SO LAW DO IT EVERY TWO WEEKS.
THEY SUBMIT TO THE STATE MORE.
THE, TO MAKE, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING IS DOWN AND IN THE, ON THE RIGHTS PARTICIPATE.
IT CAN ONLY, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT HAS TO WHAT IS I IF I DUNNO IF
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THEY ONLY AND THE THING ABOUT YEAH.NEED MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL DO BUT THAT STILL WILL BE ANOTHER.