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I REGULAR COMMISSIONER COURT FROM MY MEETING.

TODAY IS NOVEMBER THE 24TH AND NINE 30.

WE'RE READY TO BEGIN.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH AN INVITATION.

WE'LL HAVE PLEDGES VOTE FLAGS.

IF YOU ARE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS COURT SIGN IN SHEET THERE ON THE TABLE, AND YOU CAN, UH, GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN TO FILL OUT THREE MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO MAKE ANY REMARKS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE AT THAT TIME.

SO IF YOU WOULD, UH, JOIN ME IN STANDING NOW, WE'LL HAVE OUR INDICATION.

GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR TODAY.

WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TOGETHER, TOGETHER AS A COMMISSIONER STEWARD AND AS A COUNTY, AND AS A COMMUNITY OF, OF PEOPLE.

UH, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS, UH, VERY SPECIAL TIME OF THE YEAR THAT WE CELEBRATE AS AMERICANS.

UH, WE HAVE SO MANY BLESSINGS TO BE THANKFUL FOR, AND LORD, HELP US ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT.

UH, LORD, WE ALSO PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT PROTECT US, UH, WHETHER IT BE THE FIRST RESPONDERS, UH, THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IN HOLD, UH, AS WELL AS THE MILITARY AND ALL OF THOSE THAT, UH, PUT THEIR LIVES AT STAKE FOR THE VERY FREEDOMS THAT WE LOVE SO MUCH.

LORD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSINGS THAT YOU CONTINUE TO, UH, GIVE EACH ONE OF US.

UH, SOMETIMES WE DON'T REMEMBER THAT AND WE DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT WE DO ESPECIALLY PRAY TODAY THAT YOU'LL KEEP US EVERY MINDFUL OF THAT.

AND AS WE ENTER THE HOLIDAY SEASON, LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU'LL KEEP US SAFE, PRAY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, WE'LL BE WORKING DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND KEEP THEM SAFE.

PRAY NOW THAT IF WE GO THROUGH THIS MEETING, THAT YOU GIVE US THE GUIDANCE AND THE WISDOM WE NEED, UH, TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR KAMAN COUNTY THESE SONS.

AMEN.

AMEN.

AMEN.

OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FOR ALL STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND I JUSTICE FOR ALL ON I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AN INDIVIDUAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE SHERIFF GOT A, UH, WE HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN HERE FROM, UH, THE COM COMBINE AREA, I BELIEVE.

UH, AND, UH, JOHN, YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD IF YOU'D COME TO THE TABLE HERE AT THE FRONT, AND, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND THEN, UH, WE'LL AGAIN, HAVE THREE MINUTES TO YOUR REMARKS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

MY NAME'S, I, THAT'S PRECINCT ONE.

OKAY? UH, IT'S IN OPPOSITION TO THE $10 FEED.

OUR CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE THESE A SYSTEMS, UH, I THINK IT'S UNFAIR THAT A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION HAS TO COME UP WITH MONEY AND THE REST OF THE POPULATION GETS THE BENEFIT OF IT.

UH, THESE PEOPLE TAKING A LOT OF BEEF OVER THESE RENTAL SYSTEMS. NOW, I KNOW THE COUNTY NEEDS MONEY TO OPERATE, AND I'M NOT IMPOSED TO THAT.

THIS IS MY COUNTY TOO, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO ACHIEVE BALANCE, BUT, UH, I LOOK AT IT, IT'S A TAX OR DUE FEE, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE PAYING, AND THE REST COUNTY GETS THE BENEFIT OF IT.

AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

I FOUR IN COUNTY.

NOW, PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK A DOLLAR'S GOING, FRANKLY, ON THE TAXES.

UH, AND THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR COUNTY CITIZENS.

WE DON'T HAVE A REGISTRATION PROGRAM FOR ALL MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS, PROVIDERS, INSTALLERS, UH,

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MANUFACTURERS.

AND THAT HAS NEVER BEEN ESTABLISHED.

THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE INCOME.

UH, I WORKED HERE, I PROSPER HERE.

IT DOESN'T, I DON'T OPPOSE THAT.

I, I'LL MAKE MONEY FOR NOT CITIZENS, FOR NOT CUSTOMERS.

SO I'M WILLING TO PAY THAT AND I'M WHAT THE REST OF THE GUYS WANNA DO.

I DON'T CARE.

UH, ANNE COUNTY DOES THIS.

COLLIN COUNTY DOES THIS.

HUNT COUNTY DOES THIS, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THEY TREAT THEIR CITIZENS.

AND I'M OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST AN UNFAIR DUTY WITH THESE PEOPLE, AND THEY TAKEN A LOT.

UH, IT'S KIND A, LIKE LAWLESSNESS, YOU KNOW? IT'S A NEW INDUSTRY.

IT'S HAD ITS GROWING PAINS, UH, BUT THESE PEOPLE OUT HERE A LOT FINANCIALLY, UH, ANYWAY, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY TO BALANCE THE SCALES WHERE THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP PAYING MONEY.

THEY PAID ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT HERE PAYING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO GET ALL THE TIME FOR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU WANT ANOTHER 10.

AND I JUST, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT I KNOW THE DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NEEDS REVENUE.

AND I ASK THIS COURT TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT EVIDENCE NOW.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE FEE, UH, WITH OUR WATER RESOURCES THE WAY THEY ARE, LOOK AT CHANGING IT OVER TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT, THE HOMEOWNERS CAN USE WATER.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE ON THE, UH, AGENDA AND THE, UH, CONSENT, I'M SORRY, ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.

AND I DID HAND YOU OUT, UH, AN ITEM, UH, DEALING WITH A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE OF THE ONES THAT, I GUESS ONE OF THE ONES HAD TO DEAL WITH, UH, THE, UH, GRANT GONNA BE, UH, WELL ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THE LETTER THAT WE WROTE IN SUPPORT OF NORTH STAR, UH, AND THAT THE RESOLUTION PASSED AND EVIDENTLY DIDN'T A DIFFERENCE BELIEVE THAT THEY, THAT FROM, UH, THE, UH, SUNSET COMMISSION REPORT.

I ALSO WANTED TO, UH, WE'VE ANOTHER ITEM HERE, JUST A FEW MOMENTS ON THE, UH, UH, INDIGENT GRANT PROGRAM, THE FORMULA GRANT, UH, SHOWING HOW MUCH WE ARE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE.

AND THEN THE, UH, UH, LAST DOCUMENT I HAVE IS THE REPORT THAT I WISHED I HAD HAD PREPARED FOR YOU AT THE LAST MEETING.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BETTER INFORMATION.

I ASK, UH, THE AUDITOR TO GO BACK AND WE HAVE RECEIVED AS FAR AS REVENUES FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UM, AND IT, IT APPEARS, UH, FOR THE MOST RECENT YEAR, THE MOST RECENT BUDGET YEAR, THE ONE THAT JUST ENDED ON, UH, SEPTEMBER THE 30TH, UH, THAT WE HAD REVENUES AND THE EXPENSES IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WAS TWO 61,000 AS FAR AS A NET, UH, DECREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 40 APPROXIMATELY.

SO THAT'S JUST INFORMATION CONCERNING, UH, THE PUBLIC DEPARTMENT AND THE AMOUNT OF AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT RAISED.

UH, NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND WE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE KAMAN COUNTY DEFENSE GRANT PROGRAM FOR 2015.

UH, YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT I PREPARED FOR YOU OR THAT WE GAVE YOU THIS MORNING, UH, SHOWING THAT OUR, THIS IS OUR FORM OF GRANT THAT EVERY COUNTY GIVES THAT APPLIES FOR IT.

IT HELPS DEFER, UH, THE COST OF, UH, THE ENGINE DEFENSE THAT WE PROVIDE THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE ALL THE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME, IT'S 75,000, UH, THAT WE'RE ENTITLED TO.

AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM, ITEM B, WOULD BE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE DE OF DARLA WALL AND GLORIA ORTIZ FOR THE KAUFMAN COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.

DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NOT ON MOTION? SO MOTION COMMISSIONER THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A.

THOSE OPPOSED, UH, NEXT ITEM NUMBER THREE

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IS TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM THE TAX ASSESSOR FOR LAST MONTH.

YES, OCTOBER WAS OUR FIRST MONTH OF THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.

WE HAVE COLLECTED TODAY FOR THE COUNTY $672,543 AND FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE, $97,858.

WE DID HAVE SOME ROLLBACK PROPERTIES THIS MONTH IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.

UH, ONE OF 'EM WAS A, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHICH WAS, UH, 5 48, WHICH WAS, UH, PRETTY GOOD .

THE OTHER ONE WAS 76 ACRES.

UH, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PROPERTIES.

NOW, ALL OF THE ROLLBACK TAXES HAVE NOT BEEN PAID ON THOSE.

THOSE ARE, THEY HAVEN'T PAID THEIR 20 FOURTEENS YET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DUE YET.

SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY COMING ON THOSE.

WHEN WILL THEY BE DUE? OCTOBER, I MEAN, JANUARY 31ST ON THE, UH, ROLL TIME.

YES.

DID WE COLLECTED 109,000 OF THE TAXES THIS MONTH? FAR RIGHT.

COLUMN, TOP 2013 ORDER.

RIGHT.

BUT SOME OF THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT'S NOT OURS, IT GOES TO THE ATTORNEY'S.

UM, WELL HAVE TO GO TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

THE 20,007, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE 1 0 9.

OH, THAT'S THE ATTORNEY'S FEES? YES, THAT'S THE ATTORNEY'S FEES, ALL OF THAT.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THAT UNDER THE ROAD THERE, COLLECTED, UH, APPROXIMATELY 14,000.

ALL YES.

AND THEN ATTORNEYS, OTHER QUESTIONS.

HOW DID THE TAX AUCTION GO THEN? UM, IT WENT, WENT PRETTY WELL.

WE WERE SELLING SOME OF PROBABLY THE HARDEST PROPERTIES TO SELL, BUT WE SOLD, I THINK 14 OF 'EM IN, UH, WE RENT KEMP HIGH SCHOOL AND WE WERE SELLING PROPERTIES THAT WERE ISVS FOR, UM, IN, IN , UH, HENDERSON AND POP COUNTIES, AND SOME HARD PROPERTIES SELL THAT AROUND THE ROLLS A LONG TIME.

SO WE GOT RID OF 14 OF THEM.

SEVERAL OF 'EM WE HAD INTEREST IN, BUT THE, UH, THE APPRAISALS, WHICH WERE NOT FROM OUR COFFMAN COUNTY APPRAISAL ISSUE, BUT FROM OTHER COUNTY APPRAISAL ISSUES, PEOPLE THOUGHT THEIR APPRAISALS WERE TOO HIGH AND WE, WE HAD AGREED TO START THEM OFF IF WE TALKED BEFORE AT 25% OF THEIR APPRAISED VALUE.

UM, IF WE CAN'T GET ANY BITES, BECAUSE THE APPRAISED VALUE MAY BE OVER APPRAISED IN SOME CASES, WE MAY, UH, AT LATER AUCTION TAKE THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET 'EM OFF, OFF OF OUR ROLLS AND ONTO THE COUNTY.

BUT WE DID SELL 14 PROPERTIES, SO THAT'S 14 MORE THAT ARE BACK ON.

HOW S DID YOU HAVE? WE HAD ANOTHER 19 THAT DIDN'T SELL.

WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM BID ON THE OTHER 19.

WE PUBLISH A LIST OF THE ONES THAT DID SELL AND DID NOT SELL.

WILL I? YEAH, I CAN GIVE YOU A COPY OF THAT.

WE DON'T NORMALLY PUBLISH THAT NOW.

OKAY.

BUT IF YOU LIKE A COPY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A COPY ON.

THANK YOU.

WHEN'S THE NEXT PUBLIC AUCTION GOING? WE DON'T HAVE A DATE SET YET.

WE'RE HOPING FOR JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME.

IT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH OF A SUCCESS.

I WOULD SAY THOUGH.

WELL, EVERY LITTLE BIT THAT WE CAN GET ON THAT CERTAINLY HELPS, BUT IT PUTS THEM BACK ON THE TAX ROLLER.

RIGHT.

SO IT'S A, IT'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEHIND THE SCENES STUFF THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

SURE.

IS TO GET THE PROPERTIES READY TO PUT ON A RESALE.

UH, FORTUNATELY THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF.

THAT'S WHAT LINEBERGER FIRM DOES A LOT OF THAT FOR US.

SO THAT'S GOOD FOR US IN TERMS OF OUR TIME, BUT THEN THERE'S SOME ON OUR END TOO.

OKAY.

IT'S WORKING.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER CLARK TO ACCEPT THE REPORT AND, UH, COMMISSIONER SECONDS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

NEXT IS JOHNNY COUNTRYMAN TO PRESENT THE, UH, TREASURER REPORT.

OCTOBER.

OCTOBER 14TH.

WHAT

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TAXES? DECEMBER.

SURE.

ANSWER.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE TREASURER? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.

SECOND.

MR. MANY SECONDS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? NEXT ITEM IS THE, UH, ITEM TO DISCUSS OR REVOKING THE COUNTY VEHICLE POLICY.

YEAH, CLAYTON IS HERE AND I THINK HE, HEY CLAYTON, CAN YOU COME FORWARD? YES.

THERE'S A COUPLE ISSUES THAT WE NEVER DID GET QUITE SQUARE ON, AND NOT ONLY DID HE HAVE TIME TO RESEARCH IT, UH, AT ONE TIME HE TOOK HIS JOB OVER AND NOW ONE OF THEM, UH, THERE'S CONFLICTING POLICIES IN THERE ABOUT, UH, PRECINCT SUPPORT VEHICLES THAT ONE OF 'EM SAYS THAT, UH, YOU CANNOT TAKE EVERY ROAD VEHICLE HOME AGAIN.

THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION DOWN BELOW IT THAT SAYS, UH, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL COULD PROVE THAT, WHICH I, THAT CRITERIA? YES, SIR.

ACCORDING TO POLICY DEPARTMENT'S ADMINISTRATION, THIS, UH, ACCORDING TO THIS POLICY, UM, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL OR DEPARTMENT HEAD, UH, IF THAT NEEDS TO, IF THAT ONE PART NEEDS TO BE CHANGED ABOUT, UH, CAN OR CANNOT, THAT'S, UH, I GUESS THAT, WELL, I SAID I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROCEED THE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAY.

I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE DOING IT, SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING IT KNOW EITHER WE CAN CHANGE IT TO ALLOW 'EM TO DO IT OR CHANGE IT TO WHAT AGAIN, DOES, I SENT THAT OVER TO, UH, THE JUDGE'S OFFICE SOME TIME AGO, UH, TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, BUT UNDOUBTEDLY YOU DIDN'T GET IT.

NO, I DIDN'T CARVE THE COPY.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UH, I WANTED TO GET THAT POLICY CHANGED ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AND, AND IT DIDN'T GET ON THE AGENDA, SO I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS SOMETHING WE WAS WORKING ON.

WE DIDN'T GET A REQUEST.

YEAH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM VICKY SAYING, HERE IS THE REVISED POLICY, BUT ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO AHEAD AND FIX THIS.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON DOING THAT? UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT, IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE AN DEPARTMENT'S DEPOSITION.

UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR ME TO SIT BACK AND SAY, YES, THIS, THIS, THIS NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY.

UH, I DON'T, I THINK EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD OR, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL KNOWS HOW TO RUN THEIR, THEIR OFFICE AND, UH, AND KEEP TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.

I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE THE WAY TO HAVE IT.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THEIR DEPARTMENT BETTER THAN SOMEBODY ELSE.

ME TRYING TO WEAR SOMEBODY ELSE'S SHOES, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S GONNA WORK.

ONE THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS A ROAD COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, UH, THE, THE, UH, IT, THE SYSTEM IN PRECINCT TWO WHEN I WORKED OVER PRECINCT TWO IS, UH, SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE SAFETY MEETINGS ONCE A MONTH.

AND SO IT, IT COME UNDER A SAFETY ISSUE AS LIKE TO SEE THEY ARE, SO IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD CHANGE THAT PART WHERE IT'S LEFT UP TO THE ELECTED OFFICIAL AND NOT? WELL THEN ON PAGE TWO, ITEM FOUR, UH, BASICALLY WHAT IT STATES THAT, THAT IS LEFT UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, THE ONLY CONFLICTING REALLY PART OF IS ON PAGE FOUR, ITEM NINE, IT SAYS, AN EMPLOYEE MAY NOT ROUTINELY BE ASSIGNED A PRECINCT VEHICLE, BUT I THINK THAT'S RELATING TO THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES.

NOT REALLY.

THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS WAY I GO TO THAT.

SO WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN ASSIGN A DEPARTMENT HEAD, WHICH IS THE ROAD SUPERVISOR A TAKE HOME VEHICLE, BUT ON PAGE FOUR, ITEM NINE, IT'S SAYING THAT BASICALLY THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES CANNOT BE ASSIGNED A TAKE HOME VEHICLE.

SO I MEAN REALLY IT'S, IT'S, AND WHERE THAT RUN THROUGH ALSO CONFLICT.

THERE'S A SECTION IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT IF IT'S IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES.

IF IT'S JUST IN THE, IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU NEED A VEHICLE TO DRIVE BACK AND FORTH TO WORK, THEN, YOU KNOW, I THAT'S THE GRAY AREA IF YOU'RE USING IT FOR, YOU KNOW,

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WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE, IF AN EMPLOYEE WAS ON CALL, LIKE CORRECT STORM DAMAGE OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, IF YOU READ, IF YOU READ THE ITEM, UM, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT, THE ITEM C, PAGE TWO.

YEAH.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEE, UH, THE ROAD SUPERVISOR DOES FREQUENTLY DEPART HIS PRIMARY RESIDENCE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, HANDLE WASHED OUT ROADS OR TREES DOWN.

UH, I THINK THAT, SO THAT, THAT, THAT COVERS, THAT ALLOWS THE ROAD SUPERVISORS RIGHT THERE TO THE RESOLUTION SHOULD, I MEAN I THINK WE SHOULD DELETE NUMBER NINE NAME COMPLETELY.

YES, I AGREE THEN THAT, THAT DOES CLARIFY.

BUT THAT SAYS YOU CAN DO IT, IT DOES SAY IT'S DONE WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE, UH, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A, A COPY OF THE, UH, VEHICLE AGREEMENT.

BUT IF, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROCEED CONFLICT WAS BETWEEN PAGE TWO AND PAGE FOUR.

IT WAS ITEM FOUR ON PAGE TWO AND ITEM NINE ON PAGE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE, LOOK AT IT, BUT WOULD BE NUMBER NINE.

AND THEN YOU COULD FOLLOW NUMBER FOUR.

BUT SEE WHAT I SAY, ONE, ONE OR THE OTHER, EITHER THAT OR ON ITEM NINE, WE COULD CHANGE IT TO AN EMPLOYEE OTHER THAN A ROAD SUPERVISOR MAY NOT ROUTINELY BE ASSIGNED THE VEHICLE, UM, AS A TAKE ON IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.

THAT COULD BE, AND THAT WOULD STILL GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.

THE QUESTION IS, I GUESS AN EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE A PENDING STORM AGAIN, COMING IN UP TO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE DEPARTMENT.

RIGHT.

MAKE THAT SO EITHER NEEDS TO BE DELETED IN MY OPINION, OR, UM, ALTERED AN EMPLOYEE OTHER THAN ROAD SUPERVISOR AND THAT JOHN WOULD PROBABLY, I I THE BEST WAY.

YEAH.

I I THINK THE SECOND WAY OF LEAVING IT IN AND THEN HAVING THAT EXCEPTION OF OTHER THAN A ROAD SUPERVISOR, BECAUSE IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ARE ADVISORS ON VACATION AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON ON THE LIST BECOMES THAT.

RIGHT.

SO SAME ADVISOR IS ON VACATION OR, OR, YEAH.

AND THE NEXT IN CHARGE WOULD BE RIGHT.

I WOULD THINK WE COULD KEEP ON ANOTHER EXCEPTION TO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A BIG STORM COMING AND YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, WE WE'RE EXPECTING DAMAGE TO THAT, THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW THE COMMISSIONER TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, SO AND SO AND SO AND SO AND SO AND SO'S ON CALL AND Y'ALL OFFER ANY TYPE OF TRUCKS ON IN CASE YOU, OR ONE IN CASE WE HAVE A ONE OR TWO OR THREE, HOWEVER, I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? Y'ALL TAKE TRUCKS ON IN CASE WE HAVE DAMAGE.

IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THIS IS GOING ABOUT? YEAH, SO I MEAN, YEAH, THAT WOULD COVER THE, THE INSTANCE, LIKE I SAID, SAY YOUR SUPERVISOR'S ON VACATION OR YOU KNOW, OUT OF TOWN OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD GIVE THE COMMISSIONER THE FLEXIBILITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXPECTING DAMAGE.

WE GET THESE ALERTS FROM STEVE, YOU KNOW, COMMENDING, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR COULD HAPPEN.

SO THE NEXT IN LINE, THE GUY UNDER THE SUPERVISOR IS OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A VEHICLE.

HOME EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, CHAINSAW WELL, I'VE ALWAYS HAD A LITTLE HEART BURN THAT TAKING UP A VEHICLE HOME AND UH, BECAUSE IF YOU SEEING A GUY, WELL, OF COURSE MY PRECINCT'S PRETTY BIG, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEEN SAY ONE TRUCK ON WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT A SAW IN IT, BUT IN THAT EMPLOYEE'S LOUD WITH THE SAW AND EVERYTHING, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LOCKED UP IN THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT OF THE TRUCK, YOU KNOW, WOMEN GET KNOCKED OUT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ON CALL, THEY COME INTO THE SHOP, INTO THE SECURE AREA AND GET THE TRUCK, GET THE SAW, GET THE GAS, GET THE SAFETY EQUIPMENT.

WHEREAS, UH, SAFETY JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE ONE SAW AND THE GUY TAKES ONE SAW AND ONE SET OF SAFETY EQUIPMENT ON WITH IT AND HE'S NOT, HIS PART OF THE COUNTY'S NOT AFFECTED.

IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT THAT THEY'RE MANDATED TO TAKE IT HOME.

IT GIVES YOU THE OPTION.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

TO NOT, DO YOU WANT PUT, IT'D BE UP TO COMMISSIONER DISCRETION.

DO YOU WANNA PUT THE, THE EMPLOYEE IN, IN THE POSITION OF BEING LIABLE FOR THE SECURITY OF THE SAW AND THE SAFETY EQUIPMENT, ALL THAT COMMISSIONER DECISION I, THE

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EMPLOYEE IS LIABLE AND ULTIMATELY THE, THE COMMISSIONER WOULD BE, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR EMPLOYEE DOESN'T LIVE IN A SECURE AREA THAT COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE YOUR DECISION.

YOU FEEL LIKE LOOKS LIKE THIS, THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU NEED.

COMMISSIONER AND JOHN, CAN YOU HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY, IS THERE ANY OTHER CONFLICT THAT YOU WHO, WHO KEEPS TRACK OF IRS KNOWLEDGE? IS THAT YOUR JOB? NO SIR.

I DO THAT.

YOU KEEP TRACK OF MILEAGE.

DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR I DO THAT EVERY YEAR THAT'S ASSIGNED TO ME TO GIVE YOU THE MILEAGE.

RIGHT.

AND YOU NEED TO DEFINE THAT VERY, VERY CLEARLY.

'CAUSE THEY CAN BE TAXED AND I HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THEIR WAGES.

IF IT'S NOT WORDED CORRECTLY, WOULD YOU KNOW HOW FAR IT IS FROM MY PRECINCT BARN TO MY SUPERVISOR'S HOUSE? NO.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT? I WOULD HAVE TO GO LOOK AND GET HIS ADDRESS AND GO DRIVE IT MYSELF.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD BE, THAT SHOULDN'T BE PART OF YOUR JOB, BUT IF WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPORTING THAT TO THE IRS, SOMEBODY SHOULD BE KEEPING TRACK OF IT.

BUT DOES, DOESN'T, THIS ON PAGE THREE, THE, THE TOP PARAGRAPH, DOESN'T THAT CLARIFY THAT THAT DOLLAR 50 EACH WAY THAT THE, THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE IS CHARGED? I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT, SO I HAVE, SO WHAT ABOUT THE DAYS IT DOESN'T WORK? WHO KEEPS TRACK OF THAT? WELL, YOU HAVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR A TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS THAT AN EMPLOYEE WORKS.

SO MULTIPLY THAT BY THE THREE BACK AND FORTH TO WORK, THAT WOULD BE, UH, PAYROLL PROBABLY SICK DAYS OR VACATION DAYS, OR THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THINKING, UM, ITEM I CAN SEE IS, IS THE, THE W2, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THE TRAVEL MONEY THAT THEY RECEIVED ACTUALLY COSTING.

AND THEN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IT TALKS ABOUT TAXABLE MILEAGE.

SO WE'RE MAKING THEM PAY AND THEN WE'RE TAXING.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST LIKE A UNIFORM ISSUE.

THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY A DEPUTY, BUT CID OR INVESTIGATOR, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAXED ON THEIR UNIFORMS BECAUSE THEY CAN WEAR ANYWHERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER DONE.

YEAH, BARRY BEEN PAYING HIS UP, BUT WE REFUNDED HIS BACK TO HIM HERE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS POLICY.

KAREN SAID MONEY BACK ONLY ROAD SUPERVISOR.

UH, KAREN DIDN'T SAY THAT.

OKAY.

YOU, YOU REQUESTED IT AND IT CAME OUTTA YOUR BUDGET? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SAY IT DIDN'T COME OUT MY BUDGET.

YES SIR.

THAT JUST, THAT JUST, THAT'S JUST A BOOKKEEPING REPORT THAT SOMEBODY SOONER OR LATER IS GOING TO HAVE COME UP WITH, HAVE TO DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW KIND GUESS BUT COULD HAPPEN.

AND IF WE $8,000 FOR REMEMBER? YEAH, WE DID.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IN THERE PLATE WAS ABOUT THE MILEAGE ON THE, UH, SHARED VEHICLES.

HOW MANY PATROL VEHICLES DO WE HAVE THAT THAT MILEAGE? THIS IS, AND THIS IS JUST FOR Y'ALL PERSONALLY.

UH, THIS JUST KIND OF ING WHAT I'VE FOUND SO FAR.

UH, WE BASICALLY HAVE, UH, 18 VEHICLES WITH 160,000 MORE IN SOME OF THE THREE SEATS I HAVE, I HAVEN'T QUITE GOTTEN TO YET.

BUT, UH, BASICALLY, BASICALLY WHAT I FOUND IS 18 OF THEM WITH 160,000 OR MORE AND SEVEN WITH 140,030 WITH THOUSAND MORE.

AND, UH, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, NO, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY JUST OFF OF ONE THOMPSON BELOW.

YES.

AND, UH, THIS WILL, THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY, UH, BUT COME APRIL THEY'LL BE MORE RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS REALLY THE ONES THAT ONE THING GET INTO THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT'S WHERE THE GRAY AREA IS ALSO.

THERE'S, OUR POLICY SAYS, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED, 160 FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, REGULAR, BUT IT ALSO STATES, YOU KNOW, THE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD OR THE MAINTENANCE, IT CAN HAVE OVER 160 AND IT CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, LIFE OR WHATEVER.

BUT IF IT'S STILL ALL IT, ALL IT'S GETTING IS

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AN OIL CHANGE AND STILL GETTING, YOU KNOW, 12, 16 MILES TO THE GALLON, IT'S STILL A GOOD VEHICLE.

IT'S THOSE TWO THINGS.

DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T, UH, DON'T, DON'T PUT IT UP ON THE CHOPPING LOT OF IT, SO TO SAY, UH, NOW PATROL VEHICLES, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT STORY.

UH, LET ME, LET ME RAISE AN ISSUE ON PAGE ONE.

IT SAYS, BASED ON THE EVALUATION OF VEHICLES FOLLOWING REQUIREMENT WILL BE RECOMMENDED FOR REPLACEMENT TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT 160,000 MILES, SEVEN YEARS, MAINTENANCE RECORDS COST EFFICIENCY.

SO ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF IT'S OVER SEVEN YEARS, IF IT MEANS 60,000 MILES, IT IT MAY NOT BE.

WELL, THE WAY I READ IT, IT NEEDS TO MEET ALL FOUR OF THESE BASICALLY.

OKAY.

SO, AND IF IT, IF, IF IT ONLY MEANS TWO AND IT'S REALLY NOT MEETING, LET, LET'S, LET'S DON'T LOOK AT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE VEHICLES YET THOSE VEHICLES TO BE PUT INTO A POOL AND GIVEN TO A, YOU KNOW, A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR, OR A, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE TO KNOW, TO UTILIZE OR DRIVE AROUND.

IF, IF WE GOT MONEY TO REPLACE 'EM, YES, LET'S REPLACE 'EM.

BUT, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE ON THE, ON THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, IT DROPS DOWN TO THREE YEARS AND 140, UH, AND THOSE CARS CAN GO INTO A, YOU KNOW, A POOL AND BE USED BY ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

CLAY, IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD GENERATE, I, I KNOW YOU PROBABLY NEED THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT'S HELP GENERATE A, A LIST OF THESE VEHICLES AND DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF ABILITY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE HISTORY IS, SAY THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS OF THE MILEAGE PUT ON THESE VEHICLES? SO WE CAN SEE THE, THE RATE OF USAGE AND, AND THE AGING, HOW ACCELERATED THE AGING PROCESS IS FOR EACH VEHICLE.

I CAN GO BY MAINTENANCE REPORTS AND THE, AND THE FIELD MILEAGE IN THE FIELD EVERY TIME THEY FILL UP, YOU KNOW, THE MILEAGE INTO YOU WANT GENERATED.

THAT MIGHT BE A JACK SEBASTIAN, BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU REMEMBER, UH, UH, MS. RUSSELL FROM UH, COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED OUT, THEY HAD THE SAME ISSUES.

UH, AND THAT'S BASICALLY HOW THEIRS IS WORDED IS JUST LIKE OURS IS WORDED IF IT, IF IT MEETS, IF IT'S ONLY GOT 160,000 MILES ON IT, BUT YET IT'S STILL A GREAT CAR, STILL IN GOOD, YOU KNOW, GOOD CONDITION.

UH, AND IT'S, IT IS NOT SEVEN YEARS OLD.

THEY DON'T CONSIDER THAT A CAR READY TO BE, IT'S, IT'S ON A LIST TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT IT'S NOT A READY TO BE, YOU KNOW? CORRECT.

SO MILEAGE ALONE WOULD NOT, YOU MAKE IT, IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN OUT THE PATROL.

WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE HUNDRED 40.

SOMEBODY USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT TRUCK DEALERS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEAL.

YEAH.

YOU DON'T TRUST FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

AGREE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE 143 YEARS AND UH, BUT EVEN IF A PATROL CAR'S GOT 150,000 MILES ON IT, IT'S FOUR YEARS OLD, BUT ALL, YOU JUST CHANGE THE HOLE IN IT, YOU KNOW? IS IT, COULD IT BE UP TO A POOL TO BE USED, YOU KNOW, ON A, ON A NEED BASIS? WELL, SURE.

MY CONCERN WAS, JOHN, THAT FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT, OUR POLICY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T USE A VEHICLE WITH OVER A HUNDRED, 4,000 MILES OVER THREE YEARS OLD, WHATEVER, BEFORE PATROL USES AND AN ACCIDENT HAPPENS WITH A VEHICLE.

WE GOT OUT THERE WITH MORE.

ARE WE NOT SUBJECTING TO SOME LIABILITY BY NOT FOLLOWING OUR OWN POLICY AND SECURE THAT THEN, LIKE CLAYTON SAID, JUST TO BUY NEW VEHICLES? YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TOO.

AND I'M CONCERNED IF, IF IN FACT, AND, AND I'LL JUST TAKE YOU AT YOUR WORD THAT UH, IT'S A HUNDRED AND WE'LL GO BACK TO 150,000 MILES IN SEVEN YEARS OF SERVICE AND YOU SAID THERE'S 18 VEHICLES THAT MADE THAT DEFINITION.

AND IF YOUR THOUGHT IS, WELL, THEY ALL RUN FINE, WHICH MAY WILL BE THE CASE AND NOBODY GREAT IF IN FACT THERE'S NOTHING THAT, THAT MEETS THE REPLACEMENT CRITERIA BASED ON MAINTENANCE RECORDS AND COST EFFICIENCY.

AND THAT SEEMS TO TRUMP THE MILEAGE AND, AND YEARS OF SERVICE.

AND IT ALMOST MAKES ME WONDER WHY WE HAVE THAT AT ALL, UNLESS IT'S SIMPLY TO REPEAT IT.

'CAUSE TO ME IT READS THAT IT SAYS WILL BE RECOMMENDED FOR REPLACEMENT ON ONE 60,007 YEARS MAINTENANCE AND COST EFFICIENCY.

AND WE HAVE THE SAME REPORTING UPON CRITERIA SHALL BE USED FOR DETERMINING CONTROL, UNIT REPLACEMENT, 40,003 YEARS MAINTENANCE AND COST EFFICIENCY MAY MAYBE WE EITHER NEED TO REWORD IT OR, OR DROP

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CANDIDLY, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE OPPOSING BURDEN ON OURSELVES THAT WE'RE NOT MEETING SPECIFICALLY IF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS NOT PROVIDED FOR ANY FUNDS FOR REPLACEMENT VEHICLES THIS YEAR YET.

UM, YOU, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO HIM, HE COULD RECOMMEND, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE NEED TO REPLACE ALL THESE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO IT.

LET'S HERE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU AS COUNTY JUDGE AND BUDGET OFFICER.

MAYBE WE NEED TO GET A LIST AND LIKE A FIVE OR SEVEN YEAR SCHEDULE AND PUT ASIDE SO MUCH FOR REPLACING THOSE THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND HAVE MAYBE A FIXED NUMBER GO WITH IT.

IDEALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.

WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW FINANCIALLY, BUT I, WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO PUT IT OFF.

RIGHT.

UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST WE DO IS MAYBE GO AHEAD AND, UH, CHANGE, APPROVE THE CHANGE ON THE TAKE ON VEHICLES AND GET THAT DONE TODAY.

AND THEN MAYBE CLAYTON AND JOHN AND UH, UH, JENNY AND, AND RAY COULD, OR MAYBE, UH, KENNETH AND RAY, WOULD Y'ALL WORK TOGETHER ON CHANGING WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AS FAR AS THE, UH, UH, MILEAGE ON THE, ON THE PATROL VEHICLE OR WHAT, OR WHATEVER THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE UNIT WE NEED TO DELETE AND THEN COME BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 20, WHENEVER THAT DECEMBER THE EIGHTH I GUESS.

AND THAT, WOULD THAT BE A RED OVER THERE? THAT, AND I RECOMMEND THAT, UM, JOHN, GIVE US SOME LANGUAGE TO CHANGE ON THE, UH, THE MILEAGE.

YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE 140 THOUSANDS WOULD BE A ITEM OF RECOMMENDATION, NOT MANDATED.

OKAY.

CLAYTON, CAN YOU KIND OF ROUND THAT TO YOU AND, UH, WORK WITH RAY AND KEN ON THE LANGUAGE ALONG WITH JOHN.

UH, AND WE'LL TRY TO HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT FOR TODAY I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE PART ABOUT THE TAKE ON VEHICLE.

SO I MOTION WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A I THANK YOU YOUR WORK ON THIS.

UH, I TELL YOU TIME.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THE NEXT ITEM IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MAYBANK AND KAMAN COUNTY FOR THE KAMAN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION ROLE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PLANS.

AND I BELIEVE THIS IS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER? YES.

THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE, THE ONLY PROJECT THAT CITY MAYBANK HAD INCLUDED IN OUR BOND, UH, THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR.

AND, UH, I WAS TRYING TO GET TO, BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THING COOKING FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AND I COULD SEE THAT I WASN'T GONNA HAVE TIME TO DO THE PROJECT.

SO I ASKED, UH, THE ROAD SUPERVISOR THERE AT CITY MADE MONEY.

HE WANTED IF HE COULD COVER IT BECAUSE I ASKED, THE MACHINERY BROKE DOWN WHEN THEY WOULD DO IT WITH MY MACHINERY.

SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT.

THEY LIMITED IT TO 2000 AND, AND UH, I LIKE THE BID CAME IN A LITTLE UNDER 200,000, SO I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION.

WE APPROVE THIS.

OKAY.

YOU HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MAIN? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IS THIS ONE FOR PROJECT BOND? IT IS, YES.

THIS BOND PROCESS? YES, BELIEVE SO.

WOULD THEY BE RECEIVING THE ENTIRE 200,000 EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT GONNA COST THEM THAT THEY, IT JUST DID AMOUNT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? THE AMOUNT? 1 96 AND SOME CHANGE.

IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO YOU SAY INTER AGREEMENT LOCAL MATERIAL? UH, NO, THIS WAS, THIS INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WAS SENT BY JOHN PO.

THIS BY PO? YES.

OKAY.

SAME KIND.

SURE.

THIS IS DONE BY JOHN S AND THIS IS, UH, THE FIRST PROJECT THAT THE ONLY PROJECT IS CITY MONEY.

AND OF COURSE YOU STILL HAVE MONEY TO REMAIN ON THE YES.

WHICH YOU PROBABLY WON'T GET.

BE THE NEXT COMMISSION.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER, SECOND COMMISSIONER SECONDS AND ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED?

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ALL ITEM NUMBER, UH, SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS FOR WORKERS' COMPENSATION BENEFITS, UH, UNDER THE CONTRACTS AGREEMENT WITH THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY'S RISK MANAGEMENT POOL.

LAURIE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND UH, LEAVE, UH, PROVIDED YOU THIS MORNING WITH THE INFORMATION ON HOW THIS UH, WORKS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING IT, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE A RESOLUTION ON FILE WITH T WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

YES.

UM, T CONTACTED ME THE OTHER DAY DURING MIDST OF OUR WORKERS' COMP BENEFITS AND THEY REVIEWED FILE BEFORE THEY CAN OUR RATES.

THEY WERE MAKING SURE WE HAD EVERYTHING IN FILE AND COME TO FIND OUT WE DID NOT HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR OUR VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS.

WE CURRENTLY OFFER THE COVERAGE TO THEM.

WE HAVE FOR YEARS.

THIS WAS JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR THAT THIS FORM WAS NEVER COMPLETED.

SO THAT CONTINUE.

OKAY.

YOU ANY QUESTIONS? I FURTHER ION MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER ROSA, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADDING GRIFFITH AVENUE TO THE OFFICIAL, UH, COUNTY MAINTAIN ROAD LIST AND REPORT.

UH, AND IT SAYS COLTON COUNTY PRECINCT TWO, I THINK IT WAS IN YOUR PRECINCT OF YES, IT'S NOW PRECINCT.

IT'S NOW PRECINCT THREE.

OKAY.

THIS WAS A ROAD, IT WAS, UH, AN OVERSIGHT PRECINCT ROAD.

THE DAMAGE FIVE.

YEAH.

UH, AND GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT IT AT THE OFFICIAL MAPS AND THE OFFICIAL TAX LIST AND START OFF ON THING, AND THIS WAS DONE, THE TAX LIST WAS SENT OUT PRIOR TO EVEN ME BECOMING COMMISSIONER, BUT OUR COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO PROVE THAT CHAPTER 2 43 OR WHAT IT WAS OFFICIAL COUNTY ROAD THING.

GRIFFITH WAS LEFT OFF BY SOME REASON.

AND BECAUSE YOU CANNOT JUST BRING THAT ROAD IN THAT CLEAR BLUE THE SKY AND SAY THIS IS THE COUNTY ROAD, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH PORT PROPER PROCEDURES, GO THROUGH COURT, GET APPROVED FOR MAINTENANCE AND DOING SO, SO WE WON'T INTO THE SITUATION LIKE DEPUTY LANE, WHATEVER.

AND I, I'LL APOLOGIZE TO YOU GUYS, I'LL GET YOU A LETTER, BUT I MADE COPIES OF IT THEN GOT HUNG UP COURT, I HAD UH, COUNTY ENGINEERS GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THE ROAD, MAKE SURE IT MET COUNTY ROAD STANDARDS EVIDENCE.

SO IT, AND THE LETTER AFFIRMED FROM CO FINLEY THAT IT DOES MEET COUNTY ROAD STANDARDS AND THEY RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE TO ROAD INTO THE, TO THE COUNTY MAPPING SYSTEM.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS, WHAT ARE THE AMENDMENTS AGAIN FROM 2 0 5 TO CHARLES LIMITS? YEAH, THE UH, OUT BY BY THE GOLF COURSE? YEAH, YEAH.

ON PAST THE GOLF COURSE.

UH, AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO UH, 2 0 5.

YEAH, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT YOUR, AND WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THAT ANYWAY FOR YEARS.

SO I JUST, I THOUGHT IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THERE.

NEVER HAD I HAVE THE LETTER.

OH, 3,800 IF YOU LOOK AT THE OFFICIAL COUNTY MAP, IT'S IN BROWN AND IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

IT WAS OR IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT COUNTY ROAD FROM WAY BACK.

IT WAS JUST, IT WAS OVERSIGHT.

AND THAT IS HOW YOU BECAME CORRECT OVERSIGHTS ON THE OFFICIAL MAP.

IT TAKES MORE.

AND ACTUALLY FOR I CORRECT ON TO DO THAT AND I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT MET BECAUSE THE ISSUE WE BEFORE WAS TO TRY TO ACCEPT A COUNTY ROAD THAT'S NOT ON THE MAINTENANCE LIST.

YOU HAVE TO, IT HAS TO BE COUNTY STANDARDS, OTHERWISE IN LIST OUR COUNTY STANDARD.

SO WHAT THIS ACTION WILL DO TODAY, ASSUMING WE APPROVE, IT'S OFFICIALLY ADDED TO THE COUNTY MAINTAIN ROAD.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASSUMING WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

YEAH, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME.

RIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO MY MISTAKE JOHN.

THIS.

I THINK SO.

AND IT'S UH, 3,800 FEET, FEET.

THE REST OF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A COPY LETTER IF YOU WANT TON ON THAT.

I'VE GOT FIVE COPIES ON MY COPY MACHINE I CAN GET BACK TO.

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I MEAN BUT THE, THE ENGINEERING FIRM IS THAT WHAT THE LETTER THEY, THEY HAVE TO, IT SHOWS SOME DEGRADATION THERE THAT I GUESS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

BUT NORMALLY WHEN WE ACCEPT A ROAD IT'S BROUGHT UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS BUT IF WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINABLE, YEAH, THAT'S KIND A DIFFERENT OF DIFFERENT ISSUE ALL.

WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE GENTLEMEN? IT'S NOT IN MY PRECINCT.

I WOULD I COMMISSIONER I'LL UP.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE TO ACCEPT THAT ADDIE BRITH AVENUE, TERRELL CITY LIMITS TO THE STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5, SECOND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED.

ITEM NUMBER NINE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING PROPOSED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FOR COUNTY ROAD 40 85.

SOME THE AGGREGATES AT NO ADDITIONAL COST BETWEEN COUNTY AND COUNTY PRECINCT AND FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING AND UH, JOHN LAW.

THIS, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE A LITTLE HEARTBURN ABOUT THIS WITH IS, UH, THIS ONLY COVERS THE, THE SUBGRADE.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT SAYS SUBGRADE WILL CONSIST OF 12 INCH COMPACTED MATERIAL FOLLOWED BY AN EIGHT INCH COMPACTED LIMESTONE BASE, COMMERCIAL STATE BASE ROAD, BIG GRADE TO DRAIN.

IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, ABOUT ANY CHIP SEAL OR ANY COVER TO, TO HANDLE THE DUST AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT IT.

I REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT, UH, 500 FOOT NOW THE DUST, DUST PROBLEM IS IS PRETTY BAD OVER WHERE ANYWAY, WHEN THOSE TRUCKS COME OUT THE RAIL PITS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE FROM HANSON OR NOT.

I THINK THERE ARE MS. WILLIAMSON.

SO Y'ALL GONNA, Y'ALL GONNA ADDRESS ANYTHING ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE DUST ON THE ROAD.

HI, I'M HEATHER WILLIAMSON.

I'M THE LAND MANAGER FOR, THIS IS HAM.

HE'S OUR PLANT MANAGER FOR NO PROBLEM.

UM, I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL MAPS, THE COLORS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU, SHOW YOU WHAT THE ROAD CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE NOW IN THE ACTUAL 500 FOOT, UM, AREA OFF OF HUNDRED 4 85 THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.

UM, WE HAVE ABOUT A SEVEN ACRE, UM, STANDING GRAVEL RIGHT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCESS OF K ROAD.

UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE PROPER INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THAT UM, PARTICULAR MINING AREA.

WE HAVE ACQUIRED ONE EASEMENT.

THAT GUT ALLOWS US TO UM, DIRECTLY ACCESS OUR UM, SAND AND GRAVEL RIGHTS, WHICH IS IN THE RED BOX JUST SOUTH OF PIL ROAD.

UM, HOWEVER, THE LAST PORTION THAT WE NEED TO ACQUIRE IN ORDER FOR US TO ACCESS HIGHWAY 34 IS THAT 500 FOOT LAND ON HIGHWAY OR I'M SORRY, COUNTY ROAD 40 85.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD IS EXTREMELY POOR.

WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH WILBUR ELLIS WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH AND THE SPOT SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD.

UM, THEY HAVE ORGANIZED SEVERAL TIMES TO THE COUNTY TO REPAIR THIS ROAD BECAUSE IT HAS ADHERED A LOT OF THEIR, UM, PRODUCTION AND THEIR TRUCK TRAFFIC.

UH, I MET WITH THEM PERSONALLY.

THEY ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF US BUILDING OUT THIS ROAD, WIPING IT AND IT HAVING IT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC.

UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE DUST, UM, WE HAVE WATERING TRUCKS AT OUR FACILITY THAT IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD FOR A 500 FOOT STRIP OF LAND.

WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO UM, WATER THE ROADS TO WHATEVER CONDITION NEEDS TO BE NECESSARY.

WE HAVE A TERM OF BEING IN THIS AREA FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

UM, THE ROAD WILL OB OBVIOUSLY BE LEFT IN BETTER CONDITION THAN IT ALREADY IS NOW.

UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE, THE DUST CONTROL WITH OUR WATER TRUCKS FOR THE TIME AND PERIOD THAT WE'RE IN.

SO IT WON'T BE ANY TOP AND PUT ON THIS.

IT'LL JUST BE A WHITE, WHITE, UH, COMPACTED LIMESTONE BASE ON TOP AND THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW WHEN UH, WHEN YOU DO WATER THAT, THAT ROAD, IT STILL TRACKS MATERIAL OUT ON THE, OUT ON THE UH, HIGHWAY 34.

I JUST, UH, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DUST PROGRAM,

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UH, PROBLEM 'CAUSE I GET, I GET A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT DUST AND, AND THAT LIMESTONE DUST REALLY, UH, SOMETIMES IN THE HOT SUMMERTIME YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH WATER TO IT.

WELL IT'LL, IT CAUSED THE PROBLEM AND I WENT BACK, UH, I NOTICED THAT YOU PUT IN HERE THAT WILBUR ELLIS HAD CALLED, I WENT BACK THROUGH FOUR YEARS OF PHONE RECORDS AND I SHOWED NO PHONE CALLS FROM WILBUR ELLIS TO DO ANYTHING.

ANYTHING 48.

REALLY? YES.

WELL I CAN ONLY STATE WHAT THEY HAD REQUEST THAT THEY HAD.

I UNDERSTAND.

TRIED TO CONTACT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND IN ALL EFFORTS IT'S JUST TO SHOW THAT THIS ISN'T BENEFICIAL.

NOT ONLY TO US IT'S BENEFICIAL TO OH I AGREE.

BENEFICIAL.

I JUST FEEL CONCERNED ABOUT THE DUST, GOT THE DUST PROBLEM BECAUSE I GOT LOTS OF MILES OF ROAD AND IT AND IT GETS RID OF DUSTY.

SO HOW MANY UH, TRUCKS DO YOU EXPECT WILL BE GOING 10 TOTAL? 10 TOTAL PER DAY? WELL IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE 10 TRUCKS RUNNING ALL DAY LONG.

HOW MANY TRIPS YOU TAKE? PROBABLY TWO PERIODS PER HOUR.

20 TRIPS.

OKAY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, PRECINCT THREE THAT HAD AGREED TO FURNISH HARDCORE BASE OR SOLID BEING PROBLEM.

UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HE WILLING TO DO? UH, SO DEAL WITH WATER TRUCKS AND PEOPLE CALLING, GETTING THEIR CARS DIRTY AND, AND THE DUST PROBLEM, UH, IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPECIFYING SPECIFICALLY PROBABLY LIKE AN ASPHALT TOP AN ASPHALT SEAL, WOULD IT BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH? I MEAN THEY MAKE CHEMICALS THAT YOU CAN PUT IN WATER THAT WE WATER THE ROAD, THE CHEMICALS ARE SUPPRESS THE DUST UP UNTIL PROBABLY RAINS AGAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT? IF WE PUT A CHEMICAL IN THE WATER THAT WOULD WATER THE ROAD, IT WOULD PROBABLY KEEP THE DUST DOWN A COUPLE WEEKS AND IT'D BE SOMETHING WE'D CONSTANTLY PROBABLY PROVIDE PUT ON THE ROAD.

WELL HERE WAS TX I THINKING ON THE REASON WE'RE DOING THE ROAD LIKE WE'RE DOING IN MY PRECINCT, PUTTING THE TOPPING ON IT FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT ALL THE PROBLEMS GETTING ON THE ROAD, WATER TRUCK, TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF IT, KEEP IT WATERED, MAKES A LOT OF COST FOR YOU.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE COST TO.

SO XI US COME TO OUR BEST INTEREST THAT WE THAT ROAD AND THEY'RE OF THE ROAD AND IT SAVES THEM LOTS OF LABOR.

RIGHT.

YOU HAVE A YEAH.

DO Y'ALL HAVE ACCESS TO P GRAVEL DOWN HERE? P GRAVEL.

GRAVEL.

THREE H IS SO YES, WHAT THEY DID UP THERE WAS, UH, TRINITY'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE SEAL COAT ROCK.

THE COUNTY'S STILL GONNA PROVIDE I BELIEVE THE TION.

YEAH.

AND ANOTHER POINT THAT YOU GOT IS THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE OFFERED TWO WATER ROAD, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ALLOW YOU TO COME ON THE ROAD TO DO FOR LIABILITY REASONS.

CAN'T ALLOW LANDLORDS TO COME UP THERE AND MAINTAIN THE ROAD.

MAYBE IF YOU PROVIDED THE, UH, THE TO SEAL GO THE ROAD WITH, IT'D BE FAIRLY BE REALLY, REALLY CHEAP FOR Y'ALL DRIVE DOWN, DOWN THERE FROM IT.

IF THAT'S WHAT CO WANTS IT SAVE THAT WOULD SAVE YOU A LOT OF MONEY.

I MEAN WE, WE'D SHOOT THE EMULSION IF Y'ALL JUST BURN SOME PIG GRAVEL AND FOR 500 FEET OF 40, UH, 40 WIDE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT UH, MAYBE THREE LOADS OF PIG GRAVEL VERSUS HAULING 20 LOADS OF WATER A WEEK.

WHAT, UH, SO BASICALLY WE WOULD JUST SUPPLY THE, THE PAPER TO OKAY.

AND WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME ARE YOU LOOKING AT? 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY TIME'S VERY CRITICAL FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET IN AND START.

WHEN YOU GONNA START TODAY? NEXT MONDAY? WELL, IT HAD TO BE 50 DEGREES AROUND, SHOOT THAT UH, SHOOT THAT MOTION.

BUT I'M IMAGINE WE CAN GET IT SHOT FOR YOU FIRST.

FIRST 60 DEGREE DAY WE HAD IT.

OKAY.

AS LONG AS I CAN GET IT.

AS LONG AS I CAN GET IT FROM THE PLANT.

AND YOU'VE GOT WORK TO DO ON THE ROAD BEFORE YOU'RE READY EXIT? YEAH, WE, WE DO PLAN ON UM, UH, ADDING ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE BUILDING OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT TOPOGRAPHY, WHEN IT RAINS, IT HEADS INTO THE ADDICTIONS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON HIGHWAY 34.

I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH TDOT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT AT THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 34 AND 40 85 THAT EVERYTHING IS UP TO, UM, THE STATE STANDARDS.

SO IT WOULD BE A GREAT, GREAT IMPROVEMENT INTO THIS ROAD AND UM,

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I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM FOR US PROVIDING THE KEY.

IF Y'ALL WANT.

THAT'S FINE.

DO Y'ALL GONNA DO THE ACTUAL LABOR WORK ON THIS SECTION OF THE ROAD? WE'LL SHOOT MATERIAL STUFF.

THEY DON'T HAVE I DON'T THEY A DISTRIBUTOR.

I'M TALKING FAR THE GRADING AND THE OH YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL THAT.

YEAH, WE CAN JOHN DON'T NEED SOME KIND OF CONTRACT WITH IN TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON THE ROAD.

ARE THEY GOING TO WORK BEYOND THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, THEY'LL BE WORKING ON, IT'S NOT BETTER.

WE COULD CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR $10 UNDER CONSIDERATION STUFF.

YOU DO THE WORK BEFORE JUST GOING OUT THERE AND ROAD I THAT'S ALLOWED FOR A PRIVATE COMPANY TO DO WORK ON THE COUNTY.

WELL, WE COULD, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THE AGENDA ITEM IS NO COST.

BUT THEN AGAIN, GRAVITY, SOMETHING AGGREGATES BE PERMISSION FROM THE COURT TO GET THE ROAD PERMISSION TO DOABILITY TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.

WELL IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THAT THEY WERE COMING HERE FOR THE, THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT AT THEIR OWN COST RATHER THAN AT THE COST OF COUNTY WOULD NOT INVOLVE COUNTY VEHICLE CLOSER PEOPLE OR PRODUCT.

NOW WE'RE KIND OF CHANGING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T WANT 'EM TO LAY A RAW WHITE ROCK ROAD OUT THERE BECAUSE THE DUST CROP.

OKAY, SO WE'RE CHANGING IT? YES SIR.

OKAY.

AND I'D SAY WE CAN DRAFT UP SOMETHING VERY QUICK, BUT IF IT'S NO COST TO THE COUNTY, IT'S MINIMAL COST TO THE COUNTY.

IT'S COST.

SO HOW OFTEN ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO GO OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING TO RESHOOT IT? YES, MAYBE ONCE A YEAR WITH 10 TRUCKS.

10 TRUCKS RUNNING TWO LOADS A HOUR.

20 LOADS OF 20 LOADS A HOUR FOR EIGHT HOURS.

THAT'S 60 LOAD A DAY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING? CORRECT.

SO Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE MINING AT THIS LOCATION BUT NOT PROCESSING CORRECT MATERIAL? YEAH, IT'LL HAUL UP THE TRUCKS AND THEN IT'LL GO ACROSS 34 TO BRISTOL BE PROCESSED.

OKAY.

SO SO IT'S PEAK GRAPPLE THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THE PROPOSAL, IS THAT RIGHT? YES SIR.

AND THE COUNTY COUNTY SHEET TOO.

MOTION.

SO HANSEN AGGREGATES PROVIDES , IS THAT RIGHT? NO ADDITIONAL WILL THE COUNTY, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY MINIMUM COST.

I GUESS YOU COULD SIT THAT NO ADDITIONAL COST BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO ALL THE TIME.

OKAY.

ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS GIVE, GIVE THE MATERIAL FOR THEM AT NO ADDITIONAL COST.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND YOU WOULD WANT US TO GRADE IT AND DO THE PREP WORK AND THEN WHEN IT'S READY Y'ALL CAN COME IN.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR BAG, YOUR 12 INCHES BASE OR EIGHT INCHES COMPACTED ROCK DOWN AND YOU CAN CALL US AND SAY WE THREW WE COME RUN.

RIGHT ON.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING IDEALLY THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE NEXT WEEK.

YOU THE CREWS AND NO BACKLOG.

OKAY.

EVERYTHING RUNS AT THIS POINT.

OKAY.

KNOCK ON WOOD .

ALL RIGHTY.

YOUR, YOU READY? PUT I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION WITH, WITH THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE PUT INTO IT.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MANNING AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, JOHN, DO WE NEED TO MEMORIALIZE THIS SOME WAY? UM, SO THAT WE I THINK SO BECAUSE THE, MY ORIGINAL UNDERSTANDING WAS HANSON AGGREGATES PROPOSAL AND I THINK YOUR MOTION IS THAT P GRAVEL WILL BE PROVIDED BY HANSON AGGREGATES AT NO ADDITIONAL COST AND THE COUNTY WILL SHOOT THE EMULSION AT NO COST TO HANSON AGGREGATES.

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SO WE'RE TAKING THEIR PROPOSAL, WE'RE ADDING A STEP TO IT, BUT WE'RE NOT INCURRING AN ADDITIONAL COST FOR A CANDIDATE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU USE? I COULD DO A VERY SHORT LIVE AGREEMENT.

OKAY.

SINCE THERE'S NO MONEY CHANGING, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN GIVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION TOO.

I'VE IN TOUCH.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT, GOOD.

OKAY, GOOD.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS AT ALL? SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US.

ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE IS A, UH, ITEM NUMBER 10 AND THAT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDERING EXITING REGULAR MEETING AND ENTER INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION DEALS WITH UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH IS UH, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0 7 1.

AND THE ITEMS ON THERE, UH, DEAL WITH CONSULT, UH, CONSULTATION WITH COUNSEL POTENTIAL OR PENDING WITH OR CONCERNING THE FOLLOWING MATTERS.

FLAG LOTS AND SUBDIVISION.

AND SUBDIVISION AND REGULATIONS ARE SAME.

BOBBY OOK AND PROPERTY OWNED PRECINCT NUMBER THREE, COUNTY TEXAS SEAWAY PIPELINE AND ROAD DAMAGES AND COMPENSATION FOR SAME AND ONE THE OAK, UH, STERLING THREE PIPELINE AND ROAD DAMAGES AND COMPENSATION PER SAME.

UH, FIRST LET ME GET A MOTION TO, WELL DO ALL OF THESE ITEMS FIT UNDER THE SECTION 5 1 0 7 4.

UH, JOHN, BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE UH, THEY DO 5 5 1 0.07107.

WHAT'D I SAY? YOU SAID OH SEVEN ONE I MEANT OH SEVEN ONE.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY, I MOVE ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE A MOTION FROM UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING.

SECOND COMMISSIONER SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? WE'LL GO UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ENTER BACK INTO SHANE.

COMMISSIONER ROSA, ACCEPT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AS OPPOSED, ITEM NUMBER 13 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING ANY ACTION AS A RESULT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

YOUR JUST THE ONE.

JUST THE ONE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THE OTHERS.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT JOHN? THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION IS THIS IS THAT UH, WE AUTHORIZE THE, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO BRING SUIT AGAINST BOBBY PAN COOK AND ALL RELATED ENTITIES, UH, CONCERNING DAMAGES TO TOMAN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE, COUNTY ROAD 3 34.

SO THAT COVERS MR. ATTORNEY? YES.

OKAY.

YES IT DOES.

ALRIGHT, THAT'S THE MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER SHANE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND SET? MR. MANNING SECOND MOTION? UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND YOU? NO ACTION.

WE DELIBERATED ACTION ON THE OTHER TWO ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER LINE ITEM TRANSFER.

YOU HAD SEVERAL LINE TRANSFER.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY MAJOR QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE ME TO GO OVER CLEAN FOR TWO 14? YES SIR.

BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PAYING A FEW LING BILLS THAT ARE COMING IN AND TO ADJUST AND UH, ONE FOR THOUSAND 15 ARE MAINLY REQUESTS BY, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND CLEANING UP THE, UH, 2014 BRIDGE BOND BECAUSE Y'ALL SOME CONTRACTS COLLECTING.

WE WANTED TO FIX THOSE SO WE HAD THEM ON COUNTY FOR ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ITEM TRANSFER? THIS GETS US A DATE

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ON? YES SIR.

PROBABLY DECEMBER 8TH.

Y'ALL BE DOING THE NOVEMBER REPORT AND I'LL PROBABLY GIVE YOU ANOTHER SEPTEMBER REPORT SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN ADDITIONAL REVENUE MONEY SO YOU CAN STILL SEE WHERE YOU'RE SITTING.

OKAY.

SORRY IT TAKES SO LONG, BUT IS THIS WHAT YOU HAVE TO WELL, THE BILLS YES SIR.

AND YOU KNOW HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER SHANE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER SECOND ON ITEM 14.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AND AYE.

OPPOSED? ITEM NUMBER 15, IF YOU CAN DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CLAIM PAYMENT.

I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN SENT THOSE.

YES, SIR.

UH, THERE'S FOUR SETS.

UM, TOTAL IS $684,283 AND 50 CENTS.

THANK YOU.

YES SIR.

PAGE 10 OF AGAIN? MM-HMM .

THAT'S I GUESS SEVERAL.

NO.

YES, SIR.

I MEAN NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY.

I I THINK THAT'S ABOUT AS SMALL AS THAT WOULD BE.

A GEORGE COULD YOU COME HERE PLEASE? JACK? JACK OR NAVY? NAVY? PROBABLY.

I CAN CERTIFY THAT FOR YOU.

WELL, I, I KNOW PAYING BILLS ON THAT.

DO YOU HAVE A COUNTY PHONE ALREADY? SKE DO YOU HAVE A COUNTY PHONE? OKAY, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED.

I'M WONDERING IF THEY, IF HE DOESN'T HAVE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS THEY'VE ACTIVATED I USELESS IF THEY CAN'T GET THE WIFI ON THE WIFI'S NOT WORKING.

K SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN.

I IF THEY DID THAT BECAUSE THEY SET UP THE AMEX ONE THAT'S TOO FAR AWAY FROM GET ANYTHING DONE.

OKAY.

GO UP THERE AND TELL ME HE'S IN A BUILDING SOMEWHERE.

9,014 JUDGE JONES REDUCED IT TO NINE ACTUALLY SAME THAT THE ATTORNEY, I HAD SUBMITTED IT TO JUDGE WOOD SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS, THIS DON'T LOOK RIGHT.

AND SO DAVIS WITNESS DON'T ANY SENSE

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THAT WAS OVER TO I'LL PROBABLY ME.

AND SO THE LITTLE WHY Y'ALL ARE MAKE ANNOUNCEMENT CHANNEL EIGHT IS ON DOING A WEB FEED TRIAL THAT STARTS NEXT.

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THAT WAS HIS, THAT'S STEVE.

OKAY.

MY OKAY.

IT'S SKEETS SON THAT WAS WORKING, BEING DOWN HERE THAN BEING OUT THERE.

YES SIR.

THAT LITTLE THING, RIGHT? HAS HE, HAS HE BEEN TO UPSTAIRS? YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO MY OFFICE BECAUSE I OFFICE THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT OUT.

THIS IS RIGHT.

MONEY OUT IS THAT, THAT IS, UM, OH NO, THIS PROBATION.

YEAH, I'M SORRY, I WAS LOOKING AT IT UPSIDE SIGNING YET.

OKAY.

LAST ONE THROUGH.

ABSOLUTELY .

I LOVE S IF IT'S THERE.

I HAD ONE YESTERDAY, ONE THANKSGIVING.

YOU'RE, I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND SAYS I ALL MY KIDS ARE COMING HOME.

GET AWAY.

YEAH.

OH, YOU, YEAH, ONCE YOU FOUND THE HOTEL AND THE WAY IN, THAT'S ALWAYS A BAD AREA.

I MEAN, IT'S A NICE PLACE TO GO IF YOU DON'T HAVE

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MALL, UNSUPERVISED MALL.

WE WERE ABOUT, ALL RIGHT, I'LL ACCEPT THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL.

SO MR. MAN, ACCEPT MOTION.

MR. SHANE SECONDS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU SIR.

AYE.

OPPOSED? ITEM NUMBER 16 IS ADJOURN.

MAKE MOTION SECOND.

MOTION FAVOR.

AND I'LL BE DAYS.