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WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO, UH, MONDAY, DECEMBER THE EIGHTH, UH, MEETING OF CALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
WE'LL BEGIN THIS MORNING WITH AN INDICATION, THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGES TO VOTE THE FLAGS.
THEN WE WILL HEAR REMARKS FROM DISTRICT.
THERE IS A SIGN IN SHEET, UH, ON THE TABLE THERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT.
UH, AND, UH, WE'LL DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, ADDRESS THE COURT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED THIS MORNING THAT DEALS WITH A SPECIFIC, UH, ISSUE.
AND WE WE'LL, UH, HAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC INPUT, OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
SO, UH, IF YOU WERE GOING WITH ME NOW AND STAND, I LORD, WE PRAY TODAY FOR THE SAFETY AND THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION AS A WHOLE.
UH, AS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND OUR GOVERNMENT BASED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES, WE PRAY THAT WE ARE PROTECTED BY YOU FROM SO MANY RADICAL GROUPS THAT APPEAR TO BE ATTACKING OUR FAITH AND OUR CITIZENS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
IT IS EVIDENT 73 YEARS AGO YESTERDAY, THE PEARL HARBOR ATTACK.
WE PRAYED THAT WE AND OUR CHILDREN NEVER HAVE TO LIVE THE END.
WE, WE PRAY FOR OUR WISDOM OF OUR FEDERAL LEADERS IN WASHINGTON, THAT, THAT THEY KEEP US SAFE AND KEEP US FROM HAVING TO LIVE THROUGH THAT.
WE PRAY FOR THE NEWLY ELECTED LEADERS THAT WILL BE JOINING US SOON, FROM EVERY LEVEL OF THE GOVERNMENT, WE PRAY TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE AND WISDOM TO CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES AND, AND KEEP US SAFE.
AND AS ALWAYS, WE, WE PRAY FOR OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS, THE THE WOUNDED WARRIORS, THEIR FAMILIES, TO HELP THEM DEAL WITH THE LOSSES THAT THEY CAN ENDURE.
AND WE PRAY FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IN THE COUNTY, ACROSS THE STATE, IN THE NATION.
THESE THINGS WE ASK JESUS AMEN.
I THROUGH THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE UNDER GOD ONE IN EVANS.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT, UH, SIGNED IN? OKAY, I BELIEVE, UH, THREE OF YOU HAVE SIGNED IN TO TALK ABOUT THE, WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE WAY ABANDONING THE LAKE DRIVE.
AND MR. OFIELD, I BELIEVE YOU, UH, ARE YOU HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE? YOU WANT THE ORIGINAL TRANSPORTATION COUNSEL, JUDGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD NOW, IT'LL BE THE TIME FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
GOT A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN OUR GOVERNMENT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE THANKFUL FOR.
DOUG, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL.
UH, CONGRATULATIONS, JUDGE, ON BEING SELECTED, AN ALTERNATE FOR THAT.
AND I WENT TO A RECENT, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THAT THEY HAD IN, UH, THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, UH, WHERE THEY WERE, UH, PRESENTING THE PLAN FOR SPENDING ALMOST $800 MILLION.
AND, UM, IN STUDYING AND LEARNING ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL IS WHERE I LEARNED THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY HAS NO DIRECT REPRESENTATION ON THAT COUNCIL, AS YOU WELL KNOW, AND NEITHER DOES HUNT COUNTY, ELLIS COUNTY, HOOD COUNTY.
AND I BELIEVE COOK COUNTY IS IN THAT.
AND SO THE, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL RELIES ON THE CLEAN AIR OUT IN THESE UNDERREPRESENTED DISTRICTS.
AND I JUST PRAY THAT THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY AND ITS LEADERS, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND UNELECTED CITIZENS WILL USE THEIR INFLUENCE WITH THE, UH, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT TO OBTAIN
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FOR HOFFMAN COUNTY DIRECT REPRESENTATION ON THAT.YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT WE ALL REALIZE THAT WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN THIS COUNTY, AND WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THESE RESOURCES THAT ARE TAKEN FROM THE COUNTY IN, IN, UH, IN THE FORM OF FUEL TAX AND OTHER TAXES, AND GET MORE OF THOSE DOLLARS RETURNED TO OUR COUNTY.
UH, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEED IN, IN TRYING TO DO COMMERCE AMONG OURSELVES IN THIS REGION.
HUNT COUNTY, COFFMAN COUNTY AND ELLIS COUNTY HAVE NO REAL RELIABLE HIGH QUALITY TRANSFER TRANSPORTATION LINK TO DO COMMERCE AMONG OURSELVES.
UM, WE'VE GOT THESE GREAT SPOKES COMING OUT FROM THE ECONOMIC HUB OF DALLAS FORT WORTH, I 2175 INTERSTATE, COVERED INTERSTATE 45, BUT WE LACK THIS SOLID INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG THE HIGHWAY 34 CORRIDOR TO TIE THOSE FOLKS TOGETHER TO GIVE THAT WHEEL SUBSTANCE AND STRENGTH.
AND IF WE TIED THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE INDIAN NATION'S TURNPIKE, UM, THERE AT OUR NORTH BORDER, UH, WE WOULD'VE BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE GULF COAST FROM EVERYTHING COMING DOWN INTERSTATE 40 WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE CONGESTED HUB OF DALLAS FORT WORTH.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MAKE A COMPELLING STORY, A COMPELLING PLAN, SO THAT WE CAN GET HIGHWAY 34 UPGRADED TO AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SO THAT WE CAN DO COMMERCE OURSELVES AND SEE THE GROWTH FRINGE THAT IS GOING NORTH AND WEST, COME SOUTH EAST.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, JUDGE.
DID ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT OTHER THAN THE, UH, ITEM THAT, UH, WE JUST HEARD, AND THEN THE ITEM THAT PURSU HERE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT, WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO, UH, ITEM, UH, NUMBER TWO, WHICH I DON'T HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE, AND WE DO HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA? WELL, I, I'VE GOT, UH, I, I AGREE WITH RONNIE
UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WITH OUR NEWLY ELECTED, UH, STATE SENATOR AND, UH, REPRESENTATIVE THAT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN LOBBY THE COG RTC TO ALLOW US A POSITION? I KNOW THEY'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE BYLAWS, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP, UH, INVITE OUR REPRESENTATIVE AND OUR NEW STATE SENATOR MICHAEL MORRIS AND, UM, JOHN AND WHATEVER TEXTILE OFFICIALS THAT ARE NECESSARY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY GET THEM TO ATTEND AND SEE IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A CHANGE OF BYLAWS.
BECAUSE AS RONNIE STATED, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HOLD THE AIR QUALITY MACHINE FOR THEM IN OUR COUNTY.
AND, UH, AND I THINK HUNT COUNTY HAS NO REPRESENTATION AS WELL.
BUT, UM, I HAVE SOMEONE, THERE IS AN ALTERNATE FOR NOW, BUT I THINK NEXT YEAR WE SHOULD REALLY, UM, TRY TO FORCE THEM TO ALLOW US A POSITION TO HAVE A TABLE, A VOTING POSITION.
WELL, I CERTAINLY, I, I FEEL AS IF YOU DO IN THE ROOM, BUT INVOLVED THAT'S, UH, HAS ANY KNOWLEDGE TO FIX, UH, THE LEGISLATURE PROBABLY HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT.
UH, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, 42 SEATS ON THE TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL.
AND WE, WE SHARE A SEAT WITH ELLIS COUNTY AND RONNIE, I WOULD CORRECTLY, IF ELLIS COUNTY DOES HAVE A FULL SEAT, THEY'RE THE ACTUAL LOADING REPRESENTATIVE, EXCEPT WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE AND WITH US.
AND THE ONLY TIME THAT I WILL VOTE WILL BE WHENEVER JUDGE, UH, UH, BUSH FROM ELLIS COUNTY CANNOT BE THERE IN TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, ROCKWALL COUNTY AND HUNT COUNTY, ALSO SHERIFF REPRESENTATIVE, AND RAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE ROCKWALL COUNTY IS ACTUALLY THE, HAS BEEN REPRESENTATIVE.
BUT NOW HUNT COUNTY IS A REPRESENTATIVE.
I BELIEVE THE REPRESENTATIVE GOES TO THE COUNTY WITH THE HIGHEST POPULATION, WHICH IS WHY ALICE COUNTY HAS THE PRIMARY SEAT.
HUNT COUNTY HAS THE PRIMARY SEAT VERSUS
ALL THAT BEING SAID, I DID, UH, WRITE THE, UH, NOT ALL.
I SENT YOU GUYS A LETTER, MAYBE I DID A COPY OF WHAT I SENT.
I DID SEND THE, UH, BYLAW OF THE GROUP THAT, UH, WAS REVIEWING THE RTC BYLAWS AND CONSTITUTION
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AND ASKED THEM TO CONSIDER, UH, GRANTING COUNTY, UH, A FULL SET HERE, FULL SEAT ON THE COUNCIL.UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET THAT, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO DO THAT.
AND, UH, MANY OF THE LARGER COMMUNITIES AND, UH, OR HAVE MORE SEATS THAN WE DO.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THEY'VE GOT THE POPULATION AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S, UH, ALLOCATED.
BUT I AGREE, I WISH WE DID, AND I THINK WE ALL DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO GET A FULLTIME SEAT.
WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE CAN NEXT YEAR AND TRY TO GET, UH, GET OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO STAND UP FOR US.
AND, AND WE ARE A NON-ATTAINMENT COUNTY.
WE DO HOLD THE AIR QUALITY MACHINE, UH, FOR THEM.
SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE A, UH, INTELLIGENT DEBATE WITH THEM AND, AND POSSIBLY YOU, IF NOTHING ELSE, MAYBE WE COULD, UH, GIVE A VOTE THAT WE ALTERNATE BACK AND FORTH WITH ELLI COUNTY.
THE RULES ARE THAT THE COUNTY, THE HIGHEST POPULATION A VOTE, BUT, UH, AT THE VERY LEAST, WE EVERY OTHER YEAR CHANGE THAT MIGHT BE A, THEY TRY THE RTC TRIED TO PUT THAT WITH THEIR BYLAWS AND THEY COULDN'T GET PASSED.
WE, WE'VE BEEN LOBBYING FOR OUR OWN SEAT OWNERS.
THERE'S 42 PEOPLE SITTING ON THERE.
THEY DON'T WANT EXPAND THAT YOU CAN.
FOUR, TWO PEOPLE SITTING AROUND THE ROOM LIKE KIDS TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS.
IT'S, IT'S CUMBERSOME ALREADY.
THEY'RE VERY HEADS OF ADDING MORE.
AND, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING COUNTY JUST, UH, MIKE CAN, CANTRELL AND I HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ALREADY, AND, UH, HE'S BEEN, BEEN MINE FOR A LONG TIME.
HE, SO WE'RE TALKING, WORKING ON, SO THAT'S ONE THING I EXPLAINED TO HIM.
HE SAYS, UH, THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO START A DIALOGUE ABOUT THIS.
AND I COME OUT AND SEE OUR ROSE.
I SAID, I WORKSHOP SHOW YOU WHAT Y'ALL TO SEE.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE HELP THERE.
AND HE'S PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD THIS YEAR.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE 14 SEATS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE GUARD ONLY HAD ONE SEAT ON THE R IS THAT CORRECT? DOWN.
BUT, UM, BUT AT ANY RATE, I, I THINK ALL OF US AGREES.
JUST A MATTER OF, AND COMMISSIONER BROWN, LOBBED STRONG FOR, HE WAS, HE'S ON THE BYLAW.
HE'D BEEN ON, HE'D BEEN ON RTC FOR OR 16 YEARS AND HE THOUGHT ALL ALONG ITS OWN REPRESENTATION, FOUGHT FORCE TO GET THAT.
IT'S GONNA GET PAST THE BYLAW.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT HAS TO HAPPEN.
UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE CAN COME THROUGH AND DO SOMETHING, PROBABLY GOING INTO THE LEGISLATURE, JUST ANYTHING.
BECAUSE MANY OF THOSE FOLKS THAT REPRESENT THE COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT, EVEN THOUGH I VERY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE A EQUAL MEMBER, IT'S ALREADY SO LARGE.
I DUNNO HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE MEMBER WILL HAVE PRETTY WELL INFORMED FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN I GET SOMETHING FROM, I TRY TO IT, YOU GUYS, I'VE MADE SEVERAL MEETINGS AND A VERY INTERESTING PROCESS.
IT IS, THEY HAVE A VERY CONGESTED, UH, AGENDA AND THEY TRY TO CONDENSE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO MOVE IT ALONG.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING GONNA CHANGE WITH ELLIS COUNTY, ANYTHING WAY THE SCENARIO IS RIGHT NOW, ANYTHING THAT WE WANT, WE CAN ASK ELLIS COUNTY TO DO FOR US AND THEY'LL, YEAH.
IT'S NOT ADVERSARIAL, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
BUT WE DID, WE DID ATTEMPT THIS YEAR TO GET AN APPOINTMENT AND, AND WE DIDN'T.
SO DANNY WOULD CHANGE IT CAUSE AN OUTLAW CHANGE, WHICH CREATES OTHER ISSUES.
ANYWAY, THAT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT SAM AND IT IS, UH, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO, WHAT IS THE OLD SAM WEAK AND WILL GET SOME RISK, IN MY OPINION, IT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE FOR AN ENTIRE COUNTY OUR SIZE AND WITH OUR POTENTIAL GROWTH NOT TO HAVE A VOTE.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE OUGHT ACCEPT THAT EVERY YEAR TO CHANGE PUSHING FOR, I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS ON TO THE JUDGE.
THIS IS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE RTC THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
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ABOUT ITEM MAYOR, BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION NOW TO ENTER INTO PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ABANDONING THE LAKE RAY HOVER DRIVE FROM NORTH OF LAKE RAY.
HOVER TO THE ROCK ROYAL COUNTY LINE.
SECOND MAY I HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CLARK.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONERS, UH, MANNY, UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY A.
OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE THIS MORNING.
THAT HERE, UH, TO DISCUSS THIS.
RAY, YOU WERE THE ONE, I BELIEVE, AND WE HAVE PUBLISHED ALL THE NECESSARY NOTICES IN THE PAPER AND HAD IT POSTED IN THE COURTHOUSE ON OUR WEBSITE, THERE WERE SOME POSTING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK, I BELIEVE WAS THE ONE THAT INITIATED THIS.
AND WHY DON'T YOU KIND OF GIVE US AN OVERVIEW AND THEN FOLKS THAT ARE HERE THAT WISH TO TALK ABOUT THIS SO EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME INFORMATION, RIGHT? IS, UH, CHRIS, COME ON THAT LIST THERE.
CHRIS, YOU WANNA COME UP IN YEAH.
CHRIS, TO START US OFF WITH? SURE.
AND I WANT, I NEED TO PREFACE THIS WITH, UH, OUR ATTORNEY'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ITEM ONE, FOUR, NUMBER FIVE AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S THE RESOLUTION TO CLOSE IT AND ORDER TO CLOSE IT.
AND THE REASON WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE RESOLUTION TO ORDER IS THE WORDING IS JUST A TAD WRONG.
WE STILL GOT, UH, I THINK IN OUR ORDER, WE STILL HAVE THAT LITTLE BIT OF PORTION THAT WE DON'T NEED TO CLOSE ANYMORE.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S PRECISE.
THE 674 FEET ON THE SEAT OF DALLAS PARK, IT'S THE ONLY PART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
AND SO THAT WILL BE, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, BUT, UH, WE'LL MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ITEM NUMBERS, UH, FOUR OR FIVE ARE NOT GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE TODAY.
UM, LET ME LET GRAB MY EASEL HERE.
WE'RE PRETTY LOW TECH, BUT WE HAVE A POWERPOINT MACHINE.
I'M THE PRESIDENT AND OWNER OF A COMPANY CALLED FC CUNY CORPORATION.
UM, OUR ADDRESS IS, UH, NUMBER TWO, HORIZON COURT IN HEATH, TEXAS.
UH, OUR FIRM IS THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FOR THE HEATH GOLF AND YACHT CLUB PROJECT, UH, THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED IN, IN HEATH, TEXAS.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, UM, THE PROJECT IS THAT SECTION OF LAND THAT'S JUST NORTH OF TRAVIS LAND, TRAVIS RANCH.
IT'S THE, UH, PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT WAS, UH, LEFT OVER OUT OF THE OLD, UH, CLEMENTS RANCH.
UM, THE CITY OF HEATH, UM, ANNEXED THAT PROPERTY BACK IN 2007, UM, AND BROUGHT THAT IN.
THAT WAS PART OF THE LAWSUIT THAT THE CITY OF HEATH HAD WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS REGARDING, UM, EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
AND REALLY, TRAVIS RANCH WAS THE CATALYST FOR THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, SETTLEMENT BETWEEN LANDIS FEES.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS THERE'S A SECTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND I BROUGHT SOME, SOME BOARDS TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE, WHAT WE'VE GOT.
THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE GENERAL, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M, IF I NEED TO COME CLOSER, PROBABLY WOULDN'T HURT.
THIS IS AN OVERALL VIEW OF THE, OF THE LAND PLAN FOR THE HEATH AND GOLF, UH, YACHT CLUB, UH, PROJECT.
AND BASICALLY THE, THE PROJECT INVOLVES ABOUT 785 ACRES.
UM, THE PROJECT HAS, UH, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, AROUND 1500 TOTAL HOMES, UH, 27 HOME, UH, UH, 27 WHOLE GOLF COURSES BEING CONSTRUCTED.
UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE, UM, INCLUDED, UM, IN, IN THE KAUFMAN COUNTY AREA THAT'LL BE DEVELOPED.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, GONNA BE SOME OF THE NICER LOTS.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THERE'S ABOUT 28 HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY OF HEATH THAT ARE IN, IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
UH, 15 OF THOSE ARE LAKEFRONT PROPERTIES.
UM, THE MARKET ON THOSE LOTS ARE GONNA BE, THOSE LOTS, WILL BE SELLING IN A $1 MILLION RANGE.
UM, I DID A QUICK CALCULATION ON THE, THE FIGURES.
IF YOU TAKE A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS ON AVERAGE FOR THOSE LOTS AND HOMES, WHICH I THINK IS ON THE LOW SIDE OF PROBABLY CLOSER TO TWO, TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
BUT ON THE LOW SIDE, A MILLION AND A HALF.
AND THEN THE OTHER INTERIOR, LOTS OF THE REMAINING 13TH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING ABOUT $30 MILLION WORTH OF VALOR REVENUE, UH, BUILD OUT FOR, UH, FORT KAUFMAN COUNTY.
UH, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS THERE'S A SECTION OF LAND, UH, SECTION OF THE OLD, UH, EMBANKMENT THAT THE,
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UM, THAT RAY, THE HOVER DRIVE, AS YOU RECALL, COMES IN FROM, UH, SEVEN 40 COMES UP THROUGH THE OLD CLEMENTS RANCH.AND THERE WAS A BRIDGE THAT CROSSES LAKE RAY HOVER.
I'VE GOT A, A BLOW UP OF THAT.
IT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
THIS IS THE, THIS SHOWS THE, THE OLD EMBANKMENT THAT'S STILL IN, IN IT STILL EXISTS THAT GOES ACROSS LAKE RAY HOVER DRIVE, OR EXCUSE ME, ACROSS LAKE RAY HUBBARD.
THIS IS AN OLD SECTION OF THE, OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE CITY OF HE IS ABANDONED AS PART OF THEIR PLANNING PROCESS AND PART OF THEIR ANNEXATION.
SO WE'VE GOT THIS LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT THAT'S, UH, IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, BUT ALSO IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND THIS IS THE SECTION OF BRIDGE THAT BURNED DOWN IN THE, UH, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS, IS THE ABANDONMENT OF THIS, UH, PIECE OF THE, OF THE BRIDGE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PREVENT ANY ACCESS TO THE LAKE FROM THE KAUFFMAN SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE BRIDGE, BUT WE'RE SEEKING THIS 674 PLUS OR MINUS FEET OF, OF THIS EMBANKMENT.
IT'S BASICALLY JUST BEEN COMPLETELY ABANDONED AND, AND DETERIORATED OVER THE YEARS.
AND WE'RE, WE'VE TALKED TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A PERMIT FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO REMOVE THAT EMBANKMENT AND CLEAN THAT WHOLE AREA UP AND DREDGE THAT AREA TO MAKE THAT THAT LAKE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
CHRIS, DO YOU MIND SHOWING THAT TO REBECCA OVER THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I EXPLAIN IT TO HER THAT I EXPLAINED IT? PROPERTY AND WHO'S REBECCA? OH, I'M SORRY.
IT'S BASICALLY THIS, IF THAT'S THE SAME EXPLANATION I'LL GIVE TO YOU.
AND THEN WE HAVE SUBMITTED, AND THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS GIVEN PERMISSION FOR THIS AS WELL.
THEY AS WELL AS THE COURT OF ENGINEERS.
WELL, THE COURT OF ENGINEERS HAS GIVEN US THEIR APPROVAL.
WE SUBMITTED A, UH, WE HAVE A, A, A DREDGING PERMIT AND A DEMOLITION PERMIT THAT THEY HAVE APPROVED.
UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND TOUCHING THE BASIS.
THE CITY OF DALLAS IS, IS ASKED IF THEY ARE OKAY WITH IT.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING, PREPARING THE FINAL PLANS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A PROCEDURE, WE WERE GONNA HAVE YOU GUYS GET IT OR ABANDON THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN DALLAS, UM, WILL TAKE IT AND LET US FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO, BUT YES, SIR, ALL THE OTHER REVENUE PERMITS HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN, UH, AND THE TOTAL HOMES, WOULD YOU SAY THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS ABOUT 1500? 1500? YES, SIR.
AND WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE THREE POINTS OF ACCESS.
WE HAVE ACCESS, UM, TWO ON 7 41 NORTH ON HUBBARD, DRIVE UP CLOSE TO RUSH CREEK, AND ACTUALLY THERE'S FOUR, THERE'S TWO ON RAY HUBBARD DRIVE THAT ARE, UM, UP BY RUSH CREEK.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S 28 HOMES IN THE KAUFMAN COUNTY AREA.
I'VE GOT, I'LL BRING THIS ALL PAST THIS AROUND.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST DRAWING.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE KAUFMAN COUNTY LINE HERE IN RED, IF YOU SEE.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE HOMES THAT ARE, BE THE WATERFRONT HOMES THAT ARE IN, IN COFFMAN COUNTY, OR THAT'S, THAT'S THE KAUFMAN COUNTY LINE RED.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THE 15 HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE WATERFRONT.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A TIME SKY THING BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED WITH
WE'RE, IN FACT, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, THE FIRST PHASE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THE, THE CONCRETE ROADS ARE IN, UH, WE BUILT A FINE ROAD.
THIS, WE REFER TO THIS AS TRACK SIX.
THESE ROADS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN INSPECTED BY THE CITY OF HEATH.
AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, WE, WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL START, UH, DOING, UH, BUILDING PERMITS, UH, IN, IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY WHERE UTILITIES ARE IN, UH, GAS AND ELECTRIC ARE THE, THE LAST THINGS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP.
AND I SHOULD SAY THAT THE, WE'VE ALSO STARTED UP BACK UP WHERE YOU CAN HERE, BUT WE'VE ALSO STARTED ON THE GOLF COURSE.
THE GRADING FOR THE FIRST 18 HALLS, WHICH IS PART OF THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF HEATH IS ALREADY IS COMPLETE AND GOLF COURSE IS IN COFFMAN COUNTY OR ROCKWALL.
UH, THE, THE GOLF COURSE, UM, IS ALL IN ROCKWALL COUNTY THERE.
I DON'T THINK MR. WILL WE HAVE ANY PIECES OF THE GOLF COURSE THAT ARE DID A A OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE IS, THERE IS A PIECE YEAH, RIGHT UP AGAINST, UH, WHERE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS.
THERE'S A COUPLE HOLES THAT, THAT, THAT WILL
AND HERE'S THE KIND LINE RIGHT HERE.
SO IT LOOKED LIKE WE, MAYBE A COUPLE HOLES.
YEAH, A COUPLE HOLES WILL BE IN THERE.
UH, THE GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT IS ROY BELE.
UH, ROY'S, UM, DONE A LOT OF THE GOLF COURSES IN TEXAS.
HE DID, UH, THE O COUNTRY CLUB.
HE WAS INVOLVED IN BARTON CREEK.
UM, JUST SO IT'S GONNA BE A WORLD CLASS FACILITY EXCITED.
INDICATED THAT BEING IN GOLF COUNTY, THEY WOULD, UH, THOSE KIDS WITH A 10 20,
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UH, NO SIR.ACTUALLY THE DISTRICT LINE IS, UM, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY KIDS THAT ARE IN THE COUGHLIN COUNTY THAT THERE'S THE, THE, THE RISD LINE GOES ACTUALLY IN THE PART OF TRAVIS RANCH.
AND THOSE KIDS ARE CURRENTLY OUT GOING TO, UH, ROCKWALL HAS, AND THIS, THE NEW HOMES IS, AND THE NEW HOMES WILL ALSO BE IN ROCKWELL, ISD.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S PART OF THIS PLAN IS, UH, AND PART OF THE SETTLEMENT, I SHOULD TELL YOU, I WAS THE MAYOR WHEN WE DID THIS SETTLEMENT WAS TRAVIS RANCH RAN IT, UH, 15 ACRES FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT WILL SERVE TRAVIS RANCH IN, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME OTHER LARGER DRAWINGS THAT I CAN SHOW YOU.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU WITH A LOT OF STUFF, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST, THE BEST DRAWING.
I THINK THIS WAS IN YOUR EXHIBIT, IN THE PACKET.
THIS SHOWS AN AERIAL VIEW OF, AGAIN, THAT SECTION OF THIS IS, THIS IS THE CITY LIMIT LINE.
THIS IS THE OB OBVIOUSLY CITY OF DALLAS.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SECTION THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE ABANDONED.
WELL, ACTUALLY IN, UH, YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MAPS.
THE ONE THAT WE WERE PRESENTED DECEMBER IN NOVEMBER YES, SIR.
THAT YOU WERE ASKING TO ABANDON.
AND THE, AND THAT WAS, UH, WE, WE WERE WANTING TO, TO GET THAT SECTION ABANDONED AFTER WE MET WITH THE CITY OF P THEY BASICALLY HAD TOLD US THAT THAT SECTION HAS ALREADY BEEN BECAUSE THEY TOOK, THEY ANNEX THE PROPERTY AND UNDER THEIR, UH, THAT THEY'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT ABANDONMENT.
AND THEY, THEY HAD TO BASICALLY TOLD US THAT THAT WAS THEIR JURISDICTION.
SO REBECCA, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
THE CITY DOES THE CITY ANNEXES THAT YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THAT ROAD ANYMORE? FROM WHAT I'VE STUDIED OVER THE PAST, JUST PAST WEEK ON THIS ISSUE, THEN I WOULD SAY YES, THAT WOULD BE A CORRECT STATEMENT BECAUSE ONCE THE CITY ANNEXES, UH, THE COUNTY ROAD, THEN THE AUTHORITY IS TAKEN FROM THE COUNTY AND GIVEN TO THE CITY TO MAINTAIN AND UPHOLD THAT ROAD.
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE COME TO THE COUNTY AND TOLD THE SALES TO DO THAT AT THE CITY? AS TO THAT QUESTION, SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE BEEN A DIAL SOME DIALOGUE THERE? I, THIS WAS NOT IN 2007, DID I, THERE WAS, THERE WAS LETTER SENT TO THE COUNTY CLERK AND THE SHERIFF WHEN THEY ANNEXED IT ANNEXED SINCE TWO WAS ANNEXED IN 2007.
AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO SENT TO THE, TO THE COUNTY, THE SHERIFF AND THE COUNTY COURT.
YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE, UH, NY UH, POST OFFICE STILL MAKES NUN ON THAT ROAD OVER THERE.
THEY STILL DELIVER MAIL TO THAT, TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OVER THERE ON THAT SIDE OF WELL, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY HOMES ON THAT SIDE, SIR.
THERE'S THERE'S THREE OF THEM THERE THAT GET MY FROM WELL, THE, THERE, THERE'S THE SECTION, THE SECTION WHERE THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE NOW THAT ARE, AND I, THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR.
THE THREE MAIN HOMES THAT ARE STILL SITTING THERE, THEY STILL HAVE ACCESS FROM HEAT TO GET THAT.
THAT, THAT PART'S NOT BEING ABANDONED.
IT'S JUST THAT PART'S NOT BEING ABANDONED ALL WAY AROUND HEAT.
WELL THAT, SIR, THIS, THIS BRIDGE HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS.
THEY'RE DRIVING AROUND IT NOW.
WELL, I GUESS I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY OF THE ACCESS POINTS FROM WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE, SINCE THAT BRIDGE BEEN OUT SERVICE IS THAT, UH, RIGHT OVER DRIVE, BUT CONNECT IN YOUR NEW PLAN.
IT DOESN'T SHOW HERE THAT IT'S GONNA NO, SIR, IT DOES NOT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT WITH
BUT THAT SECTION WILL NOT BE CONNECTED.
LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SAFETY ISSUE IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED ON THAT ROAD, UH, THAT TRAFFIC COULDN'T GET BY.
THEY WOULD BE STUCK ON A DEAD END ROAD.
THEY'RE STILL STUCK ON A DEAD END ROAD ON OTHER PEOPLE.
YOU, BUT THEY NOW, THEY HAVE THE, THE OPTION TO CONNECT.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE WILL BE A LOOP THERE, SIR.
AND I'M AND I'M SORRY, IS THERE NO CONNECTION BETWEEN HOVER DRIVE AND THE NEW, THE NEW STREET HERE THAT WE GIVE HIM ACCESS TO? YES, SIR.
THIS, THIS, THIS WILL BE A LOOP ROAD THAT'LL COME IN.
THIS IS GONNA BE A NEW ROUTING.
THIS SECTION OF THE ROAD IS GONNA CONTINUE OPEN IT.
LIKE TO ME IT COULD BE A BIG SAFETY CONCERN.
AND PART OF THAT WE'VE, WE'RE PART OF OUR BRING UP WITH CITY IS WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THAT SMALL SECTION OF ROAD UP TO THE ANOR BAY SUBDIVISION.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT A 20, 24 FOOT.
DO YOU HAVE, HAVE THE, UH, I GUESS WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
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OKAY.UH, FIRST PERSON THAT'S, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LEAVE THESE UP HERE, JUDGE, OR, YEAH, DO NOT TURN 'EM AROUND SO THE AUDIENCE CAN, UH, RECEIVE THEM AS WELL.
AND, UH, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT COPIES AND, AND AL JUST FOR BEFORE THE PUBLIC HERE, BEFORE EVERY ELSE, UH, HAS THESE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT ASKING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT RAY HARPER DRIVE SOUTH OF THE, OF THE BRIDGE.
THAT'S, WE HAD NO STAKE IN THERE OR ANY DESIRE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT CLOSING IT.
WE HOPE THAT THAT STAYS OPEN, THAT I ACTUALLY DROVE OUT THERE THIS WEEKEND, JUST SO I CAN GET A VISUAL ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.
NEXT IS, UH, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ROB, UH, FROM, UH, ROCKWELL, I BELIEVE FOR RALLY.
MR. WOOD, YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP.
MY NAME IS ROCK FIELD BOX 3 6 9 ROCKWELL, TEXAS.
UH, JUST A COMMENT, YOU KNOW, IS OUR, IS OUR PROJECT MR. CUNY FOR, AND, UH, JUST AS RELATES TO THE POST OFFICE, THERE ARE THREE PROPERTIES THERE.
UH, I OWN ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT USED TO BE THE, UH, WHICH MRS. SNYDER'S OWN.
UH, I HAVE THE SECOND HOME UNDER CONTRACT.
AND THEN, UH, MR. HOAG IS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO IS THE, UH, THIRD HOMEOWNER THERE AS IT RELATES TO THE POST OFFICE.
AND, UH, LIKE, UH, MR. CUY SAID FOR THE LAST, MY SISTER WAS THE POSTMASTER IN ROCKWELL.
I THINK FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, UH, THAT BRIDGE HAS BEEN OUT.
AND SO EVERY HOW THAT MAIL HAS BEEN DELIVERED WAS STILL DO THAT WAY.
UM, AND SECONDLY, WE THINK THE JOB THAT WE'RE DOING HERE DRAMATICALLY ENHANCES NOT ONLY THE, THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY, BUT WE BELIEVE IT ENHANCES THE VALUE OF THE OTHER HOMES.
UM, ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES DOWN THE STREET, BUFFALO CREEK HOME, AND IT WAS 562,000.
AND WHEN YOU TAKE THE VALUE OF THE HOMES SURROUNDING E THE YACHT, UH, BELIEVE OUR VALUE IN E THE YACHT EVENTUALLY OVER THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL EXCEED 600,000, UH, DOLLARS PER HOME.
AND WE HAVE A HISTORY, HISTORY AND ANOTHER GOLF COURSE.
IT KIND OF SHOWS THAT WHAT HAPPEN.
SO YOU THINK IN THE LONG TERM PICTURE, UH, THIS TRULY ENHANCES THE VALUE OF BOTH WHAT'S ON COUNTY AND KAUFMAN.
AND JUST THE LAST COMMENT, WE'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE I BELIEVE 2001.
AND THROUGH THOSE YEARS WHEN WE WERE FIRST STUDYING IT, THAT THIS LITTLE COMPONENT ALONG THAT, THAT, UH, BRIDGE, IF YOU ACTUALLY GO DOWN THERE THROUGH THE YEARS, OVER THE LAST DECADE, GET SOME BEER CANS AND WHISKEY BOTTLES AND USE CONDOMS AND DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOREVER.
AND I REALIZE WHY IT'S A, SINCE THAT BRIDGE IS OUT, IT'S AN ISOLATED PIECE OF ASPHALT AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE, THESE, UH, UH, FOLKS GO AND THEY JUST HANG OUT THERE AND DO THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE CASE UP UNTIL WE BROKE AROUND ON THIS DEVELOPMENT A FEW MONTHS AGO.
MR. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. OKAY.
UH, YOU DEVELOPED, UH, BUFFALO CREEK, DID YOU NOT? YES, SIR.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR HERE.
I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS NOW THROUGH THERE.
IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE MAIN, PROBABLY HAVE OVER THERE WHERE THE HOSPITALS RIGHT NOW IS THE MEANNESS THAT GOES ON DOWN THERE BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY ARE INACCESSIBILITY DOWN THERE ALONG THAT AREA.
UH, THE NEXT ONE PERSON I HAVE IS, UH, STEVEN DAVIS, UH, FROM LAKE RIGHT DRIVE DAVIS.
SAD, UH, PROBABLY THREE QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THE BRIDGE WAS, AND MY MAIN CONCERN, AND SOME OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS ARE HERE TOO, IS THAT ALL THIS IS UNDERTAKEN IN A WAY IS NOT BEFORE THE HORSE.
THE LAW FOLLOW DETECTIVE STATUTE.
EVERYTHING IS DONE IN A TIMELY WAY PROCEDURALLY, UH,
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YOU DON'T WANT ANY PRECEDENT SET.IT WOULD AFFECT US LATER ON BECAUSE WE'RE SURROUNDED FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS ON ONE SIDE AND, UH, POUTS PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS UP TO STATE AND WILL PROBABLY BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT.
THE LAW BE FOLLOWED WITH ALL RULES, REGULATIONS, POSTING NOTICES, UH, THE PETITIONING OR ABANDONMENT OR MODIFICATION STATUS OR WHATEVER FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT NO PRECEDENT ARE SET.
SO LATER ON WE MIGHT BE PUTTING MILD TRUMP.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A REAL PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY THESE DAYS, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SOME OTHER LEVELS TOO, OF LAWLESSNESS.
AND THIS IS A REAL ISSUE TO ME PERSONALLY, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A CONSTITUTION, FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, STATE CONSTITUTION AND STATUTES THAT MUST BE TO PROTECT CIVIL SOCIETY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME.
THE FACT THAT THAT BRIDGE WILL NEVER BE REBUILT PRETTY MUCH CONCLUDES ME FROM USING THAT PART OF THE ROAD.
ANYWAY, UH, I DO QUESTION THE FACT THAT IN LOOKING AT THE STATUES, THAT PART OF THE ROAD ON OUR SIDE OF THE PLATE WAS, UH, PLOWED UP AND PARTIALLY ABANDONED WHEN IT'S STILL A PUBLIC ROAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN.
AND AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC IS LARGELY FISHERMEN, UH, NEVERTHELESS, NOTWITHSTANDING IF HE UNDERSTAND IT'S PUBLIC ROAD.
AND THAT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED, THAT BEING WELL MAINTAINED WOULD HELP SOME OF THE, SO I'M MAINLY HERE TO SAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE RESPECTFULLY DEMAND OF ALL THIS STUFF BE DONE ABOVE BOARD WORK, NOT BE STARTED BEFORE COMMISSIONER VOTE ON THIS, UH, EVERYTHING BE DONE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THE STATE OF TEXAS.
I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE, WHAT WE'RE HAVING IN PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW ALL THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE JUST RANDOM THAT WE GOT FROM ATTORNEY SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING ALONG THE LAW.
AND ALSO, AS AN ADDITIONAL NOTE ON THIS TO THE COMMISSIONER, UH, I WOULD PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPERS BOUND THAT EVER, EVER POSSIBLE WAY IS THEY DEVELOP TON COUNTY TO NOT GIVE THEM FREE RE, BUT YET THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW EVERY STATUTE, EVERY ORDINANCE TO SLOW, NOT ONLY SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN BECAUSE OF WHAT MR. OFIELD SAID ABOUT TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS WITH ALL SORTS OF WATER SYSTEMS, FIRE SCHOOLS.
JUST ENABLING THEM TO DEVELOP WITH NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER.
THAT'S ALL THE FOLKS I HAD THAT WERE, UH, SIGNED UP.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT AT THIS TIME? I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, PLEASE.
THIS IS OUR COUNTY CLERK WHO I BELIEVE AS A CITIZEN RESIDENT, RESIDENCE RESIDENT
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP.
THE FIRST AND FOREMOST BEEN, I THINK, AND I, AND I BELIEVE YOU ADDRESSED THAT RECENTLY, BUT THE ORDER OF THE RESOLUTION IN THE HEARING HAVE ALL BEEN WORDING SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO ABANDON THE PROPERTY FROM LAKE RAY HOVER NORTH TO THE ROCKWELL COUNTY LINE.
THAT IS WHY WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT TODAY.
BUT IF THAT WASN'T BROUGHT TO YOU, FIRSTLY, I'M JUST SAYING THE FIRST, MY FIRST ISSUE WAS IT WAS NOT TIED CORRECTLY.
THE ORDER AND THE RESOLUTION, WE NOT ABANDON IT TO THE ROCKWELL COUNTY LINE.
THE SECOND IS, UM, THIS APPROVAL SEEMS TO ME TO BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT OF THE DEVELOPER.
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AND, AND PERHAPS IT WASN'T INTENTIONAL, BUT IT, THEY OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2001 IN 2007 YOU SAID THE CITY ABANDONED OR THE CITY ANNEXED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY ABANDONED THAT ROAD AND THEY SAID THEY'VE ALREADY GONE TO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO GET THE APPROVAL TO ADDRESS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.AND THEY'VE ALSO GONE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS TO TAKE THAT PIECE TO ABAN TO HAVE DALLAS ABANDONED THAT.
AND THEY'RE COMING TO THE COUNTY DALLAS NAME.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT THESE, THIS IS ALREADY DONE.
THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS APPROVE THIS.
THE CITY OF DALLAS IS FIXING TO APPROVE IT.
WE NEED Y'S APPROVAL TO ABANDON THIS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
AND MY CONCERN ON THAT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2001, FIRST 2014 AND THAT BRIDGE BURNED DOWN 2007 OR EIGHT.
HAS OUR COMMISSIONER BEEN LOOKING OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF COTON COUNTY IN THAT THEY, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THESE DEVELOPERS TO GIVE US A COMPLETE THOROUGH CARE GOING FROM ONE SIDE OF SEVEN 40 TO THE OTHER SIDE OF SEVEN 40? WE HAD THAT.
TDOT HAS A LETTER ON FILE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE CITY OF KEITH THAT SAID, WE'RE READY TO REBUILD THAT, THAT BRIDGE.
AND THEY SAID, BOTH OF THEM CAME BACK AND SAID, WE'RE WORKING THE DEVELOPERS TO CREATE A CONTINUOUS THOROUGH FARE.
WE'VE BEEN PLACED IN A SITUATION WITH THAT ROAD BEING A TWO MILE DEAD END ON A ROAD THAT HAS NUMEROUS TREES AND CREEKS THAT FLOOD WHEN IT RAINS THAT FALL OVER WHEN THERE'S STORMS. WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORS WHO BRING OUT THEIR TRACTORS TO CLEAR THE ROAD.
WE ARE HOPING THAT IN THIS LONG TERM PROCESS, OUR COMMISSIONER HAS LOOKED OUT FOR US TO FIND A WAY TO GIVE US AN OPEN, THOROUGH FAIR FROM ONE SIDE OF COFFMAN COUNTY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF COFFMAN COUNTY BECAUSE THE ONLY THOROUGH FAIR NOW IS FROM SEVEN 40 FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF BURG DRIVE.
IT'S A TWO MILE JAUNT THROUGH TREES AND CREEKS TO GET THERE.
THE THIRD THING IS, MY QUESTION IS WHEN THE CITY ABANDONED THAT, THE TRANSPORTATION CODE SAYS THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO GIVE AN ORDER, THAT ORDER OF ABANDONMENT FROM, OF A ROAD TO THE COUNTY CLERK AND IT HAS TO INDEX THE, THE GRAND TOUR AND THE GRANTEE, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT INCORRECTLY, MY QUESTION IS, IS DOES THE CITY, YOU KNOW, EX MAYOR, DOES THE CITY HAVE THAT SAME RIGHT.
DO THEY NEED TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY WHEN THEY A ABANDON A ROAD? YES, PLEASE JUDGE, MA'AM, I I, I CAN'T SPEAK AS THE MAYOR OF FE 'CAUSE I'M NO LONGER THE MAYOR OF FE AND I WON'T SPEAK AS AN ATTORNEY 'CAUSE I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO THE CITY'S ATTORNEY, AND I'LL LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO GET THEM IN CONTACT WITH YOU, IS THAT THEY, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE STATE STATUTES THAT THERE'S, THERE IS, IS CLEAR THAT ONCE THE CITY ANNEXES AND NOTICES AND PROVIDES THE, THERE WAS AN ANNEXATION PLAN, THERE WAS NOTIFICATION, I THINK SENT TO YOUR OFFICE IN 2007 AND THE SHERIFF THAT IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY THAT WAS GONNA BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF PEAK AND THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT YOU WERE NOTIFIED THAT THE, THE COUNTY WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT.
AND THAT ONCE IT BECAME THE CITY OF PEACE'S PROPERTY, THAT THEY TOOK ALL FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND HAD THE RIGHTS THAT THEY, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT AND THE RIGHTS TO, TO DO WITH IT WHAT THEY NEEDED TO IN TERMS OF ABANDONMENT, IN TERMS OF EXPANDING AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT WAS.
UM, TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT DOING THIS AFTER THE FACT, THE CITY HAS GIVEN US THAT ASSURANCE ALL ALONG THAT, THAT THE PART THAT'S IN ROCKWALL COUNTY IS THEIR JURISDICTION.
THEY HAVE THE PLANNING AUTHORITY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO, TO DO WITH IT WHAT THEY WANT.
WE WERE SIMPLY TRYING TO LET DO, AS YOU SAID, LET THE COUNTY KNOW OF OUR INTENTIONS, PARTICULARLY ON THE SECTION THAT'S IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AREA.
'CAUSE WE WEREN'T TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS UNDERHAND IN ANY WAY.
WE WERE TRYING TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN TO THE COUNTY WHAT IT IS THAT WHAT WHAT WHAT THE PLAN IS.
QUITE FRANKLY, WE THINK IT'S A REAL BENEFIT TO, TO KAUFMAN COUNTY.
NO ONE HAS EVER, IN MY OPINION, OR AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, EVEN WHEN I WAS THE MAYOR, HAD ANY DESIRE TO REBUILD THAT BRIDGE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LAKE, IF YOU WILL.
BUT THAT THE LETTER FROM, FROM TDO SAID THAT THE CITY OF HEATH AND DALLAS WERE WORKING WOULD WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO OPEN THAT ROAD, NOT AS A BRIDGE, BUT OPEN THE ROAD, BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE COMMISSIONER AT ALL TIME? I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT MA'AM AT ALL.
AGAIN, I, THAT WAS AFTER I WAS THERE, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE MAYOR SINCE DID.
DO YOU HAVE, AND YOU TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT, UH, ARE YOU WORKING WITH TRAVIS RANCH TO CREATE, UM, A, A CONNECTING RAY HUBBARD DRIVE SOMEHOW CONNECTING THE, UH, RAY HUBBARD DRIVE WON'T CONNECT WITH TRAVIS RANCH? UM, OUR PLAN IS,
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IS THERE WILL BE ACCESS INTO, ONCE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS BUILT, TO ALLOW THE TRAVIS RANCH FOLKS TO COME INTO THAT, TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.SO COMMISSIONER, MY, MY, MY POINT ON ALL THIS IS RIGHT NOW THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE DECIDE THAT WE LIVE ON IT.
IT'S A TWO MILE DEAD END AND IT APPEARS IT'S GONNA REMAIN A TWO MILE DEAD END.
AND THE PRESIDENT IS THEN SIT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED BY THE CITY IF THEY ANNEX THE PROPERTY AND WANT TO CHANGE THE ROAD.
AND THAT OUR COMMISSIONER HAS NOT WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO CREATE A, A SAFE PASSAGEWAY WHERE THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY AND SOMETHING HAPPENS ON SEVEN 40 THERE, THE OTHER WAY AROUND IS 28, WHICH IS SEVERAL MILES AWAY.
BUT I'M JUST, THE PRESIDENT IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT COMMISSIONERS NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, IT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE SOUTH END, IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT.
AND I I JUST THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT THAT WE GET AHEAD OF IT AND NOT BE BEHIND IT.
CAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP? YES SIR.
IF I CAN JUST, JUST ONE QUICK POINT AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR BELT.
I THINK THERE WOULD BE A WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU JUST WANT TO DO THE PORTION OF ABOVE.
JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THE PRECEDENCE NO NEEDS TO BE SET.
THAT WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTING.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT IN OF COURSE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COURT KNOWS.
UM, I WANT, COMMISSIONER CLARK I THINK WAS GREAT IN WORKING WITH US.
WE, WE DID TALK TO HIM ABOUT THIS, ABOUT, AND WE WERE FOCUSED ON THIS SECTION AND HE'S BEEN GRACIOUS AND TELLING US WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE EXHIBITS AND IF THERE'S ANY LACK OF COMMUNICATION, PROBABLY ON MY END, JUST 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS MOVING.
BUT WE CONTACTED COMMISSIONER CLARK, YOU KNOW, EARLY IN THE PROCESS ONCE WE GOT APPROVED FROM HEATH TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE NEED TO GET ON THE AGENDA, WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND SO FORTH.
AGAIN, THIS, THIS, AND, AND SO IN TERMS OF PRECEDENCE, I DON'T THINK WHAT THE COMMISSIONER COURT WILL BE VOTING ON IS GONNA BE SAYING.
I THINK THAT PRECEDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET YEARS AGO BASED ON THE ACTIONS AND, AND THE, THE, THE, UH, THERE'S A SUPREME COURT RULING REGARDING THIS.
AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES THAT INVOLVE ACTUALLY CITY OF DALLAS, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT IT BEING A DEAD END ROAD.
AND I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT FACT.
'CAUSE LIKE THE JUDGE, I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER, I USED TO LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GRAY HARBOR DRIVE.
I USED TO BE IN THE HOUSE ON STILTS WHEN I FIRST GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE.
I WAS JUST DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK FROM WHERE, WHERE YOU LIVE.
UM, AND I LIVED THERE HAPPILY FOR, FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, THE SECTION THAT'S, UH, I I DON'T, I SHOULD HAVE MEASURED PROBABLY A, MAYBE A 2000 FOOT SECTION HAS BEEN PLOWED UP.
AND I NOTICED THERE IS A SIGN ON THE SOUTH SIDE WITH A SIGN THAT SAYS PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING.
AND I DON'T, I THINK THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE REMOVED SO THAT THE COUNTY CAN PROTECT ITS RIGHTS.
THERE'S BEEN TWO SIGNS PUT DOWN.
MY MY OTHER COMMENT WOULD BE IS, IS IN, IN TERMS OF THE DEAD END NATURE, TRAVIS RANCH HAS PLANS TO EXTEND THEIR ROAD, I THINK EVENTUALLY TO RAY HOVER DRIVE.
I'VE SEEN THEIR PRELIMINARY PLATS, I'VE WORKED, WE SHARE INFORMATION WITH THEM BECAUSE OF OUR BOUNDARIES.
AND I'VE SEEN PLANS WHERE THEY ULTIMATELY ARE PLANNING THE TIE INTO RAY HARVARD, SO IT WILL NOT BE A DEAD END.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE COUNTY OR THE, OR, OR CITY OF FOREIGN MEETS THAT WE HAVE NO STANDING IN THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF PROVIDING IT, TAKING CARE OF THAT DEAD END COMPONENT, THAT MAY BE THE BEST WAY TO, TO ADDRESS IT.
I I'M JUST, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT OR WHAT THEY DO ON THE NORTH SIDE.
MY MY POINT WAS, IS HAS A COMMISSIONER LOOK OUT FOR THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS OF COMAN COUNTY IN MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE LAKE, THAT THEY HAVE A, A SAFETY ADDRESS IN CASE SOMETHING ON SEVEN 40 HAPPENS AND THE ROAD IS CLOSED.
IT AFFECTS THE PEOPLE OF HEAT OF ROCKWELL ALSO BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AT SEVEN 40, THEY DON'T HAVE A DIRECT WAY TO GET HOME OR AROUND.
WELL, I, I BELIEVE THAT YOUR COMMISSIONER IN THE CASE OF THIS, THIS AREA HAS DONE THAT.
AGAIN, WE'RE THIS, THIS ROAD, THERE WON'T BE NO DEAD END LOOPS ON OUR, THIS ROAD DOES KIND THE HOVER DRIVE ON THIS SECTION.
THERE ARE ANOTHER WE'LL HAVE ACCESS, WE'VE GOT FOUR ACCESS POINTS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'LL BE TO HOVER DRIVE ON THE NORTH, ACCESS DRIVES TO SEVEN 40.
SO, AND WHAT'S YOUR ACCESS TO TRAVIS RANCH? UH, TRAVIS RANCH IS GONNA BE DOWN HERE ON THIS PARK WHERE THE SCHOOL SITE IS, UM, BASICALLY DOWN IN THIS AREA HERE.
SO, BUT WE HAVEN'T BUT YOU DON'T SHOW ANY CONNECTING NOTES? NO, SIR.
NOT NOW BECAUSE WE WE'RE, THE SCHOOL HASN'T STARTED WITH THEIR PLANNING AND, AND, AND, AND THEIR STUFF.
BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH TRAVIS FRANK ON CONNECTION
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WITH GAS AND ELECTRIC UTILITIES, BUT THAT'S THE PLAN.THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS USED.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER FROM TEXT DOCK THAT YOU REFERENCED THAT YOU PROVIDE THE COURT? NO, I, I HAVE IT AT THE HOUSE, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
COULD YOU PROVIDE US A COPY? I CAN GET A COPY FROM K STUFF.
I'D THIS LIST WE'RE LISTEN TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC'S OPINION ON EVERYTHING.
BUT ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS KIND OF A BOOT POINT.
EXACTLY THE SAME THING WE DID AT THE CITY TURTLE COUNTY ROAD THREE.
OH YOU DID? IT RECENTLY GOES THROUGH.
IT IS THE SAME THING WITH WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO STANDING OF THAT IS A COURTESY THAT THE CITY OF FEDERAL US SAY WE'RE TAKING THIS ROAD CITY LIMITS.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE NOTIFYING IT'S GONNA BE ABANDONED.
WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING HERE.
AND THE CONNECTION GOING THROUGH TRANSFER BACK TO SEVEN 40 IS A GREAT IDEA.
THAT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUE THAT STEVE, SO, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
IF TRAVIS RANCH WANTS TO DO THAT, TRAVIS RANCH CAN DO THAT.
I'VE ENCOURAGED HIM TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE THEIR PROPERTY, UNTIL THEY GET THAT ONE IN THE DOUBLE IT PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE A CONNECTION.
WELL THEN THE FAIR PLAN, THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A TWO MILE DEAD END FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, END THE PUBLIC HEARING A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SECOND.
UH, AND WE'LL TABLE ITEMS NUMBER, UH, FOUR AND FIVE, UH, UNTIL WE DO A LITTLE FURTHER.
UH, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE 2020 SECOND.
THANK, IT'LL BE WITH THE CORRECT LENGTH, THE CORRECT PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION SINCE WE DIDN'T NOTIFY, WE DIDN'T HAVE NO 6 72 FEET IN PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING THOUSAND DO THIS ORDER RESOLUTION PRECISELY ON 22ND, SO WE'LL.
SO WE'LL TABLE ITEMS FOUR OR FIVE.
WE'LL VOTE ITEM NUMBER SIX NOW, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPRO CHANGE IN COST OF EXISTING CONTRACT, UH, WITH CEDAR CREEK.
UH, OUR CEDAR CREEK MAIN SOCIETY, UH, MRS. CARTER HAS BEEN, UH, QUARTER HAS BEEN WORKING AS OUR, UH, LIAISON WITH THIS GROUP AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THEM THIS MORNING.
THEY HAVE A NEW CONTRACT, UH, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT TO COURT.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM 4, 5, 4, AND FIVE.
MS. PORTER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU CAN INTRODUCE SUE, YOU HAVE HERE WITH US.
THIS IS THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY AT CEDAR CREEK.
COMMISSIONER, YOU DID RECEIVE THE COPY OF THE NEW CONTRACT THAT WE HAD SENT OUT GOING FROM $65 PER ANN TO 75.
I REALIZE THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME, SOME, UH, CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MORE MONEY OUT OF YOU.
THAT'S REALLY NOT THE ENCAMPMENT AT ALL.
I COME UP WITH A, A FORM, I THINK YOU GOT A COPY OF IT WHILE AGO AND FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE DONE A SET AMOUNT EACH FISCAL YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE IT WENT FROM FISCAL YEAR NINE 10 FROM 60,000.
IT KIND OF BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH.
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, IT WAS 75,000 WHEN WE WERE HERE ABOUT 15 MONTHS AGO.
THE SHELTER WAS IN EXTREMELY DIRE STRAI AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, WE WERE REALLY WONDERING IF WE WERE EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP IT OPEN AT THAT POINT.
SO THEY REMEMBER WE CANCELED THE CONTRACTS AND WE REDONE EVERYTHING BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT WERE COMING TO THE SHELTER.
I TOOK, I LOOKED AT LIKE THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF DATA
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AND JOE HAD BROUGHT US 1,184 ALS.AND WE SET THE PRICE AT $65 KNOWING THAT IT AT $65, IF THE NUMBER STATES STATIC, WE WOULD RECEIVE CLOSE TO THE 75,000 GIVE OR TAKE THAT Y'ALL HAD BEEN, UH, BUDGETING FOR THE HUMAN SIDE.
SO THIS YEAR THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED DRASTICALLY SINCE WE ENTERED INTO THIS CONTRACT.
WE GOT TO REALLY LOOKING AT STUFF AND, UH, IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE'LL RECEIVE 60,000 FROM COFFEE THIS YEAR.
IF YOU GO BACK, WE, OUR ACTUAL COST PER ANIMAL IS AROUND 75, JUST A FEW CENTS SHORT OF 75.
WE ONLY WENT TO 65 WITH YOU GUYS BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT WE DO HAVE ADOPTIONS.
WE DO HAVE FUNDRAISING THIS YEAR.
FUNDRAISING HAS FELL SHORT OF WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED, BUT WE ALSO HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT 2000, $2,500 A MONTH LESS FROM YOU GUYS.
AND WE HAD BEEN GETTING, WE'VE BEEN GETTING A, A CHECK FOR $6,250 A MONTH.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL EXPENSES FOR THIS, UH, YEAR.
THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE MONTH IF WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT OUT OF THE 11TH.
SO I'M NOT ASKING YOU GUYS FOR MORE MONEY, I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME MONEY.
THE MONEY THAT YOU GUYS GIVE US IS JUST BASIC CARE.
WE JUST BARELY RUN THE SHELTER ON THAT.
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENTS, NOTHING FOR MAINTENANCE.
THAT REALLY IS JUST OUR, OUR OUR FIXED COSTS, WHICH IS MAINLY SALARIES, UTILITIES, AND
SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE FEE FROM 65 TO 75.
FIRST, UH, LEMME JUST SAY WE REALIZE YOUR POSITION IS A VOLUNTEER POSITION.
AND YOU'RE NOT HERE FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN REPRESENTATIVE HUMANE SOCIETY.
UH, THE SECOND COMMENT DONALD WOULD MAKE AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, DONNA, IS THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY SET OUR BUDGET FOR OUR BUDGET YEAR, WHICH STARTED OCTOBER 1ST, GOES THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, AND TO COME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR BUDGET.
AND I KNOW YOUR BUDGET YEAR, I BELIEVE, AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE RUST COMES, UH, IN AS FAR AS OUR BUDGET IS CONCERNED.
AND THIS PART, I BELIEVE HAS GONE THROUGH AND, UH, REVIEWED WHAT THIS WOULD DO.
I BELIEVE IT WOULD COST ADDITIONAL $9,000 IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THAT ACCOUNT.
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, AND I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS, THIS COURT, EXISTING COURT, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR, I'VE KNOWN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, UH, PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WORKING AS WELL NOW THAT IT HAS WORKED AND KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS A YOGA'S JOB UP THAT SHELTER AND THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DISRESPECT THAT, BUT THAT LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT, UH, HENDERSON COUNTY, WHICH I ALSO KNOW HAS A SHELTER FUND I BELIEVE IN ATHENS.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, THEIR LEVEL OF FUNDING FOR WHAT LABOR PROVIDE YOU IS 15,000, I BELIEVE 13TH, 13, 13TH THOUSAND GIVE CREDIT FOR THREE MORE THOUSAND.
SO I THINK ALL THAT HAS TO KIND OF ENTER INTO OUR DISCUSSION.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE, OR I'M NOT TRYING TO BE SAYING YOU MAYBE DON'T NEED THE FUNDS, IT'S JUST THE TIMING CONCERN.
AND, AND THE REASON THAT WE GOT OFF BASE WAS LAST YEAR WHEN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA CLOSE AND WHEN WE DID RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE BE FOUNDATION, THAT REALLY HELPED RIGHT.
SOLIDIFY OUR FINANCIAL BASE AND WE COME BACK OUT AND, AND PUT THE NEW CONTRACT STARTING JANUARY 1ST.
AND THAT'S WHY THE ONE THAT I SENT, I REALIZE THAT YOU GUYS ON THE YEAR FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO JANUARY 30TH, SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE IS ONLY FOR NINE MONTHS OR NEXT, UH, FISCAL YEAR, WE CAN GET BACK AND SEE AGAIN.
UH, I'M NOT SURE THE, THE $9,000 THAT'S BASED ON NINE MONTHS OR THE NINE MONTHS, IT WOULD BE LESS.
FOR FULL CALENDAR YEAR AT $10 MORE PER ANIMAL, THAT COST US 9,000 EXTRA.
AND SO YOU COULD PRORATE THAT FOR THE NINE MONTHS.
EVEN AT THAT, YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAD BUDGETED ORIGINALLY, 75,000.
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AND WE WON'T, IF YOU ADD NINE OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE GIVING US NOW, WE'RE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT 69,000, WHICH IS LESS THAN WHAT YOU HAD HISTORIC GIVEN US.AND I SUPPOSE YOU'RE ASKING JUDGE SANDERS AND THE HENDERSON COUNTY COURT FOR THE SAME THING.
AND OUR 10 CITIES THAT WE CONTRACT WITH AS WELL.
QUESTION DONNY, HAVE YOU APPROACHED THE CITIES TO, UH, GO UP ON THEIR RIGHTS? WE LEFT DRASTICALLY LAST YEAR ON THEIR RATES.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THROWS THE WRENCH IN, IN THE WORKS FOR ME THE WHOLE TIME.
UH, BECAUSE COLMAN COUNTY HAS BEEN FUNDING, UH, THE, THE HUMANE SOCIETY FOR YEARS TO, TO THE TEAM.
THE BEST HIGH IS $80,000 A YEAR.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY, WHEN WE'RE PAYING, YOU'RE ASKING US NOW TO PAY $75 FOR, WE'VE BEEN PAYING 65 AND THE CITY'S PAYING 1750.
UH, THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN EQUITABLE SHARE.
IT'S THE SAME, UH, SAME SERVICE YOU PROVIDE.
AND ANOTHER THING, THE, I THINK THE CITY SAID GONE UP TO 45.
WELL, THE OTHER THING IS, IS, IS, UH, WHEN I FIRST CAME IN HERE, WE STARTED TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT.
WE'VE HAD MEETING, AFTER MEETING AFTER MEETING.
MS. COREY HAS WORKED TIRELESSLY, UH, ON THE ADOPTION RATES.
NEITHER BONNIE HAS HAS, UH, DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
SPAY NEEDED PROGRAMS WITH, WE HAD CONDUCTED EDUCATION PROGRAMS. AND THIS DROP IN THE NUMBERS SHOWS THAT THESE EFFORTS THAT, THAT THEY ALL THESE GOOD PEOPLE HAVE PUT OUT THAT'S DRIVEN THE NUMBERS DOWN.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FIGURE YOUR, UH, YOUR CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE IN PLACE AND THAT IT IS EVENTUALLY GONNA AFFECT THIS.
THIS YEAR WE'RE SEEING, WE'RE SEEING THE BIGGEST DROP IN THE NUMBER.
OUR ONLY PROBLEM AS THE COUNTY IS WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS BUDGET IN CHECK AND WE'VE CUT OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, OVER THE YEARS HAVE, HAVE, UH, UH, HAVE STAYED WITH US THROUGH, THROUGH THE HARD TIMES.
WE'VE CUT BUDGETS EVERYWHERE AND, AND WE FINALLY GOT OUR BUDGET TURNED AROUND.
WE'RE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS YET, BUT WE'VE GOT OUR BUDGET TURNED AROUND.
AND, AND THIS, THIS WAS A, A MAJOR GOAL WHEN I FIRST CAME IN HERE, WAS TO GET THAT FIGURE OFF OF THAT 60, 70, $80,000 A YEAR.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT, AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL AT IT, YOU KNOW? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU AS, AS FAR AS, AS WHERE YOU GET YOUR FUNDING.
I MEAN, APPARENTLY, UH, WHEN Y'ALL REALLY GOT IN A BIN, THE DONATIONS CAME IN, GRANTS CAME IN, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE, UH, MORE EFFORT PLACED THERE.
INSTEAD OF COMING TO US AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS INTO OUR BUDGET UNIT, IT, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE MORE MONEY.
WELL, ALL THAT IS IN PLAY RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL, UH, BRANDS THAT WE'LL FIND OUT ABOUT IN JANUARY TO YOUR ISSUE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT Y'ALL BURN.
AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR MECHANISMS OF RECEIVING MONEY FROM YOU GUYS SINCE YOU WANTED THE AL CHARGE AND NOT THE FLAT RATE.
SO THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT THE SHELTER THAT THE JUDGE WAS ALLUDING TO OF US CLEANING THAT PLACE UP THE STATE BELT LAST YEAR, WE HAD TO CLOSE ONE OF OUR FACILITIES BECAUSE IT WAS IN SUCH CHANNELS.
THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN, WE CAN UPGRADE IT, WHICH REDUCED THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT WE COULD KEEP ON GROUND.
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE HAD BEEN KEEPING ROUGHLY A HUNDRED, UH, DOGS AND 50 CATS.
WELL, WITH, WITH THE THE NEW STATE DEBT GUIDELINES, WE CAN ONLY HOUSE 60 DOGS AND LIKE 35 CATS, IF YOU, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS YOU BRING TO US HAS HELPED US OUT THERE.
AND THE ONLY REASON OUR EUTHANASIA RATE IS NOT SKYROCKETED IS BECAUSE ADOPTIONS HAVE INCREASED OVER 200%.
I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY KNOW TO DO TO MAKE THIS WORK.
AND WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU GUYS TO STEP UP.
WE'RE THERE BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE HERE.
IF WE'RE NOT THERE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA CLOSE, BUT WE'RE DEPENDENT UPON YOU GUYS AS MUCH OR MORE SO THAN Y'ALL ARE DEPENDENT UPON US.
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SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN PLAY DO WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.AND, AND I I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS STEP UP AND ARE PARTNER US.
MS. CARTER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD SINCE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I COMMEND KALIN COUNTY FOR THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALL DONE AT GETTING THE, THE INFORMATION OUT.
WE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE, THE ANIMALS ARE PICKED UP, THEY'RE PUT ON THE PAGE.
THE PUBLIC IS AWARE NOW WHERE THE ANIMALS ARE GOING.
THEY'RE AWARE THEY CAN GO DOWN AND ADOPT THE ANIMALS.
UM, HE STATED THAT THE ANIMAL ADOPTION RATE HAS, IS LARGER THAN EVER.
AND I, I'D LIKE TO HOPE TO SAY THAT'S TO DO WITH OUR FACEBOOK AND THEIR FACEBOOK AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT THERE.
UM, LAST YEAR WE TOOK 1,184 ANIMALS.
THIS YEAR, MINUS DECEMBER, WE'VE TAKEN 868 ANIMALS.
WE BUDGETED $65,000 HOPING WE WOULD NOT GET THERE.
OUR GOAL WAS TO NOT GET THERE, ACCORDING TO HOW MANY ANIMALS THAT COME IN, WE'RE GONNA BE VERY CLOSE.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE OUR JOB, AND I DON'T WANT, I JUST FEEL LIKE KAMAN COUNTY HAS DONE THEIR PART.
MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT THE OTHER CITY STEP UP AND DO THEIRS.
WE ARE WORKING HARD AND WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME IN MANY, MANY YEARS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT.
JEN, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WELL, I, I COMMENDED DONNIE FOR HIS VOLUNTEERISM AND PAY HIM FOR HER HARD WORK ON GETTING THESE ADOPTION RATES UP.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SEATS PAY EQUAL, SHARE THE COUNTY FOR.
WOULD THAT BRING YOU NUMBERS UP TO WHERE IT WOULD STILL, IT WOULD BE A VIABLE FINANCIAL BUSINESS, OR NOT A BUSINESS, BUT IT WOULD COVER ALL YOUR FINANCIAL BUSINESS? I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THE, THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS FROM ALL THE CITIES ARE WITH THESE SECTION OF THE CITY OF KAUFMAN.
WE PROBABLY ALL THE OTHER NINE CITIES COMBINED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE MAY GET A HUNDRED ANIMALS.
EVERYBODY ELSE, ALL CITIES COMBINED.
A HUNDRED YEAR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY COFF.
BUT THEY BRING US PROBABLY AROUND 700 A YEAR.
UH, I, I HAVE TO JUST GO BACK AND SET IT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE COST STRUCTURE.
AND THEY DID INCREASE FROM, FROM 1750 TO 45.
SO THEY, WE NOT ALL PAY THE PRICE.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT SET DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WELL, THIS LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN A SET FEE, UH, SITTING DOWN AND LOOKING AT ALL THE INTAKE NUMBERS LAST YEAR AND KNOWING EVERYBODY WANTED TO GO TO THE, UH, PER COST FEE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD TRY TO HELP US.
MY, MY GOAL WAS TO GET OUT OF HAVING TO FUNDRAISE, JUST TO OPERATE THE SHELTER.
FUNDRAISING SHOULD BE FOR SPECIFIC ITEMS, BUT WE'RE IN A SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TO FUNDRAISE JUST TO MEET OUR, OUR BUDGET.
SO KNOWING THAT ALL THESE CITIES' BUDGETS ARE VERY LIMITED, 1750 WAS, AND THEY WERE SCREAMING AT THAT BECAUSE THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS 15, AND I WENT UP TO 1750 AND REALIZED THAT THAT WAS NOT GOING TO WORK.
THAT WASN'T VIABLE AT ALL TO KEEP THAT SHELTER OPEN.
SO WE WENT UP TO 45 AND I DID GO TO SEVERAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GOT DRUG OVER THE COALS NUMEROUS TIMES.
BUT IF THEY WANT US THERE, THEY NEED TO PAY FOR THE SERVICE.
AND THAT'S WHAT OUT THERE, IF YOU WANT US THERE, YOU PAY FOR THE SERVICE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? WELL, I TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE CITIES WANTING US TO THE COUNTY TO KEEP UP PICKING UP THE CAB FOR 'EM.
I THINK THAT THEY WON'T PLAIN BE A CITY.
THEY NEED TO JUMP UP AND PAY THEIR SHARE JUST LIKE WE DID.
UH, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM ANY WEIGHT.
AND, AND, UH, THEY NEED TO INC.
UNINCORPORATED, THEY DON'T WANT PLAY THE BIG BOYS.
THEY NEED TO, THEY NEED TO REGROUP THIS ISSUE.
THE DOGS THAT ARE OUT ON MY ROADS BETWEEN NEY AND TER AND, UH, THE THERE, THEY, THEY COME OUT THE CITY, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE WELL KEPT.
AND YOU CAN PICK YOU UP ONE FROM TODAY.
YOU WON'T PICK IT UP, TWO OR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE.
BUT I, I JUST THINK IT'S THE PROBLEM COMING TO US RIGHT NOW.
I SEE WHERE YOU GO WITH YOUR, UH, GRANTS AND THINGS NEXT YEAR BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING OUTTA YEAH.
AND I WAS GOING, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE GRANTS.
IF YOU CAN PROVIDE, I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR
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ANY GRANTS THERE.I SAID WE HAVE TWO OR THREE THAT WE WILL FIND OUT IN JANUARY ON THE, ANOTHER RECEIV, YOU SAID YOU HAD ABOUT 800 ANIMALS FROM ALL THE OTHER CITIES THAT COMBINED, INCLUDING PROBABLY, AND IF YOU WENT UP ON $20, UH, FROM 45 TO 65, UH, THAT'D BE AROUND $20,000.
SO WOULD THAT COVER YOUR, YOUR FINANCIAL SHORTFALL? POSSIBLY.
BUT KEEP IN MIND WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WITH SOME OF THE CITIES WHO NOTICED THERE WAS A DRASTIC DECREASE BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS TAKING ANIMALS AND STICK THEM OUT.
TOON COUNTY OR COUNTY, THEY JUST DIDN'T BRING TO US.
THEY WENT FROM LIKE 75 ANIMALS.
WE'RE LUCKY WE'LL HAVE THAT'S WE'RE FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE ON ITEM NUMBER 16? AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING THANK YOU, JUDGE.
WE, WE JUST APPRECIATE YOUR VOLUNTEERISM AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THE COURT'S TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT.
IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S JUST AN ITEM DISCUSSION THAT SEEMS TO CONTINUALLY COME UP.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, IS, IS UH, UH, IF WE DON'T, I KNOW IT'S GOING, WE CAN'T GET IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR BUDGET YEAR AND FIND EXTRA MONEY, BUT WE GOT NO PLACE ELSE TO GO WITH THESE ANIMALS.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY FOLD, IF THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY DOWN THERE AND THEY FOLD, WE GOT NO PLACE TO GO WITH CAROL CAN'T TAKE EM.
CITY OF DALLAS CAN'T TAKE THEM OR WON'T.
UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE JUST, UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST.
IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KEEP DUMPING DOGS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO AID THEM IF WE CAN'T.
AND, AND, UH, $9,000 PRORATED IS A, IS A LOT OF MONEY, RIGHT? BUT, UH, WHERE ARE WE GONNA, WHERE ARE WE GOING BE? MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSIONER COURT IS, IS WHERE ARE WE GONNA BE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN TODAY OR AN EMERGENCY OUT THERE AND HAVE TO CLOSE THAT THING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF MARCH? WELL, FEBRUARY 1ST, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND HOPEFULLY IT WON'T COME TO THAT.
I WE'RE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A BACKUP PLAN.
WHAT I WOULD, UH, IS MAYBE THINK ABOUT WOULD, UH, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE CONTRIBUTED OR MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON CONTRIBUTED, WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED IS, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR IS MAYBE COME BACK TO US LATER IN THE, OUR BUDGET YEAR AND MAYBE YOU'LL KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE GRANTS BY THEN AND WORK AND ACCESS GRANTS, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AGAIN AT A LATER DATE.
UH, I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR.
UH, AND THAT'S NOT THE COURT TALKING, THAT'S JUST ME TALKING.
BUT IT MIGHT BE, UH, WE GET A LITTLE PRESSURE INFORMATION AND IF YOU WORK WITH THE, UH, VARIOUS CITIES THAT YOU SERVE IN PERHAPS ANDERSON COUNTY TO, I MIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I CAN TALK TO JUDGE SANDERS AND SEE IF HE CAN, IF THEY CAN DO SOMETHING DOWN THERE AS WELL.
BUT THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO THAT GENTLEMAN THAT'S, THAT YOUR, ANY OF YOU CAN GIMME WITH JUDGE SANDERS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
I MAKE A MOTION TO BE TABLE ITEM SIX.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TABLE ITEM SIX, SECOND SHANE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN, SAY AYE.
WE HAVE A, HERE, I BELIEVE I NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE UP.
AND SO WE'RE GOING, UH, SKIP OVER ITEM SEVEN AND, UH, COME BACK WITH, UH, ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE REPORT FROM BONNIE HILL OF
HOW ARE YOU? I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GONNA DO AN OVERALL, SO, UM, BUT I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION A COUPLE THINGS.
INTRODUCE YOURSELF, I'M SORRY.
BONNIE HILL, UM, WITH THE COFFMAN COUNTY ANIMAL AWARENESS, UM, DOING BUSINESS WITH SPAY YOUR NETWORK RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE ARE A STATE LARGE, UM, NONPROFIT SPA CLINIC LOCATED IN GRANDVILLE.
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JOB IS TO HOPEFULLY GET THOSE NUMBERS DOWN.SO THE, UM, WHICH I THINK NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING, AND, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL US THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING FINALLY IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
AND WE ACTUALLY SEE THE NUMBERS GOING DOWN, UM, THE ANIMALS ON THE STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE SERVICED OVER 4,500 ANIMALS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
UM, OUR, WE JUST DID A STRATEGIC PLAN AND OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, OUR GOAL IS TO DO SOME REALLY HEAVY, HEAVY, UM, HITTING IN KAUFMAN COUNTY AS FAR AS SPAY NEUTER AND EDUCATION AND THE COUNTY LAWS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE AS FAR AS SERVICES HERE, UM, FOR FOOD BANKS AND, UM, SPAN AND SHELTERS.
SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COME UP WHEN YOU START EDUCATING YOUR PUBLIC ON WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE IS THAT YOU TEND TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS GO UP.
UM, SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY MISSING HERE IS, UM, WHAT MR. YING WAS SAYING, OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE CEDAR CREEK.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE MAJOR, MAJOR PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH ANIMAL CONTROL AND HOW WE'RE GONNA, WHAT OUR PLAN IS FOR THE FUTURE FOR THIS.
SO I MEAN, IF THE PLAN IS, IS THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEA RETREAT FOR THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, THEN WE SHOULD BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED, UM, ON THEIR BOARD IN THEIR MEETINGS, DOING A STRATEGIC PLAN.
HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK TOGETHER? UM, I'VE NEVER BEEN A BELIEVER THAT HUMANE SOCIETY SHOULD DO COUNTY OF GOVERNMENT WORK.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST THAT.
UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE TO SEND IT THERE THAN IT IS TO DO OUR DO IT OURSELVES RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT WE JUST NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND A COOPERATIVE EFFORT, THE CITIES AND COUNTY AND MAIN SOCIETY, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WHAT IS OUR ANIMAL CONTROL LOOK LIKE OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
UM, 'CAUSE THEN WE CAN START BUDGETING FOR IT.
IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE CAN DO IT FOR LESS THAN $75 AN ANIMAL, THEN LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
UM, BUT IF WE DON'T START TALKING ABOUT IT NOW, WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME, HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION EVERY SIX MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, THEY WANT MORE MONEY.
I MEAN, YES, IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE LESS ANIMALS AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THINGS HE WAS SAYING, I HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR BUDGET, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEIR COSTS SHOULD BE GOING DOWN IF THEY CAN ONLY TAKE IN 60 ANIMALS, 60 DOGS VERSUS A HUNDRED ANIMALS LIKE THEY USED TO.
UM, THEY'RE GETTING LESS ANIMALS FROM US.
SO IT SEEMS IT'S NOT MAKING MUCH SENSE TO ME, BUT LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SO I DON'T KNOW.
UM, AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE OPEN COMMUNICATIONS AND ACTUALLY SIT DOWN IN A ROOM AND START MAKING A PLAN.
DID YOU EVER MEET WITH, UH, MR. SCHUBERT IN THAT GROUP? I, I KNOW WHO DONNIE IS, BUT WE'VE NEVER MET, RIGHT? NO, I'VE NEVER MET WITH HUMANE SOCIETY.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS PUT TOGETHER A GROUP OF SHELTERS AND HUMAN ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN KAMAN COUNTY SO THAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT SOME BIG GRANTS.
UM, FOR SPAY, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET SPAY GRANTS FOR KAMAN COUNTY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS.
SO THE SHELTER WASN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH HOW MANY DOGS THEY GOT FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY, HOW MANY CATS THEY HAVE FROM COFFMAN COUNTY.
SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO APPLY FOR ANY FUNDING FOR THAT.
SO IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO START DOING.
IN FACT, I THINK I, I MEETING WITH
BUT WE, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA SHARE INFORMATION AND BE HONEST WITH EACH OTHER, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING, WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
SO, WELL, IT'S BEEN, I'VE BEEN ON THE COURT FOUR YEARS NOW AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, RIGHT.
AND, UH, WE THOUGHT WE HAD IT BETTER AND NOW WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT IT'S PROBLEM NOT GONNA NOT WORK, YOU KNOW, SO MM-HMM
I THINK THE IDEA OF A STRATEGIC PLAN AND TRYING TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND GETTING THE RIGHT FOLKS INVOLVED IN IT WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE POWERFUL FOR US TO DO.
SO, UH, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON? AND DONNIE, I SUPPOSE YOUR GROUP WOULD BE WILLING TO, UH, DO THAT.
IT'S, BONNIE SAID THAT YOU COULDN'T GET NUMBERS FROM US.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE WASN'T THAT THE SYSTEM DIDN'T ALLOW IT.
NOT THAT WE COULDN'T GET SPECIFIC NUMBERS FROM YOU, BUT YOUR SYSTEM BACK THEN DIDN'T SAY, DID IT WHEN SOMEBODY BROUGHT IN AN ANIMAL YOU WEREN'T COLLECTING.
WHERE DID THEY GET THAT ANIMAL FROM? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S NOT TRUE, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER FOR THE, UH, SHELTER FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND THAT WAS MY EXCLUSIVE JOB, WAS TO KEEP THE DATABASE.
SO IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS SINCE I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, BUT WHEN I FIRST HAD THAT CONVERSATION, I WAS TOLD THAT THEY COULDN'T TELL THAT THEY WERE COMING FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY OR FROM AT HENDERSON COUNTY OR WHERE THEY WERE COMING FROM.
SO IF WE'VE GOT THAT DATA, THAT GIVES US SOMETHING REALLY GOOD TO START
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WITH.UM, I MEAN, BUT OUR, WE, SINCE WE DON'T REALLY KIND OF HAVE ANY REAL SKIN IN THE GAME AS FAR AS FINANCIALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE COUNTY STUFF, I MEAN, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY.
UM, WE JUST WENT THROUGH HUGE STRATEGIC PLANNING, UM, WITH OUR ORGANIZATION.
SO I AM HAPPY TO BRING IN SOMEBODY IF WE NEED TO BRING IN SOMEBODY TO DO THAT STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, AND PAY FOR THAT.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, SOME EXTRA FUNDING THAT WE WANT TO USE HERE IN LIN COUNTY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND, UM, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO AFFECT CHANGE HERE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW THE PROBLEM'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AS WELL.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CLARK IS PASSING OUT SOMETHING HERE THAT YOU NEED.
I GUESS YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER.
COULD YOU PASS THAT DOWN TO THE PRESS DOWN, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'LL FIND IT KIND OF INTERESTING AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WILL FIND IT INTERESTING.
DONNIE, YOU MAKE SURE YOU YEAH.
ALSO, ACCORDING TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FROM THE CITIES AND FROM THE COUNTY, IT WAS AMAZING TO ME HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPEND ON ANIMAL CONTROL WITHIN
I WOULD'VE NEVER HAVE GUESSED IT WHEN THIS DOLLAR POUND, YOU PUT ALL THE ANIMAL CONTROL CONTROL IF THOSE TO 739,578.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE COST OF THE OFFICERS THAT ACTUALLY PICK UP THE, I'M SURE THERE'S A COST PROBABLY GO INTO THAT.
MAYBE SOME GASOLINE, TIRES, VEHICLES, INSURANCE, THINGS SUCH THAT, BUT WE'RE SPENDING THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON ANIMAL CONTROL.
AND SO FOR THREE QUARTERS OF MILLION DOLLARS, WE SHOULD BE GETTING HIT WITH IT AND WE'RE NOT, AND KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT YOU DO THE SAME THING THE SAME WAY, THE DIFFERENT RESULT.
WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE THE SAME, THE SAME WAY.
WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH A BETTER WAY OF DOING THINGS.
I LIKE THE IDEA ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER WAY.
IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHERE EVERYBODY HAS BEEN DOING, BUT WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I'VE DONE LOTS OF TOURS, I'VE DONE LOTS OF RESEARCH.
I'VE LOOKED AT SHELTERS HERE AND LOOKED AT THE WAY DIFFERENT CITIES DO THINGS.
AND THE WAY OUR BUDGET HAS BEEN, THERE'S JUST NOWHERE, NOWHERE FOR US TO GET, UH, THE MONEY WITHOUT STRETCHING OUR NECKS OUT AND GETTING A BIG LOAN.
YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GOTTA, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU'VE GOTTA BUILD A MINIMUM OF ABOUT A $750,000 FACILITY.
THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN, EIGHT PEOPLE FOR STAFF AND EVERYBODY TALK ABOUT VOLUNTEERS THIS, VOLUNTEER THAT.
BUT GUESS WHAT? THOSE VOLUNTEERS, YOU TALK TO THESE OTHER CITIES, THEY DON'T LAST LONG.
ONCE YOU PUT 'EM IN THERE WITH A SHOVEL AND A WATER HOSE AND A BRUSH AND A BUCKET SOAP, THEY DON'T STAY LONG.
IF IT'S NOT PAID, IF IT'S NOT PAID PERSONNEL AND, AND THE, YOU GOTTA PROVIDE AIR CONDITIONING FOR EVERY ONE OF 'EM, DOGS, CATS REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE TAKING.
YOU GOTTA PROVIDE HEAT, YOU GOTTA PROVIDE LOTS.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMEBODY THERE CHECKING ON 'EM ALL THE TIME.
THERE'S BE VEHICLES AND MAKE CERTAIN CRITERIA TO PICK 'EM UP AND HAUL 'EM AROUND AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
YOU TALKING ABOUT JAIL NOW? OR IT'S WORSE? IT'S WORSE.
LEMME TELL YOU, YOU THINK, YOU THINK THE JAIL BUDGET IS BAD.
YOU PUT GET A ANIMAL SHELTER STARTED THAT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE JUST, I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT CAN WIND UP BEING A WHOLE NOTHER VENTURE TO ITSELF.
I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS NOT, WE'VE GOTTA SPEND OUR MONEY SMARTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WHAT DOES ANIMAL SHELTER, WHAT DID DALLAS COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER COST MONEY? ABOUT 32 MILLION.
$32 MILLION TO BUILD THAT SHELTER.
YOU DON'T WANT 30, 32 MILLION.
HOW MANY DOLLARS IN CASH DID YOUPAY FOR? 32 BILLION EVERY, FOR SURE.
EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTY, IT'S COST ABOUT $50 TO SPAY ME OR AN ANIMAL'S VACCINATED VERSUS, SO YOU GOT 13 MILLION SHELTER PAYING FOR SHELTER INTAKE.
UM, BUT I I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH LETTING A NONPROFIT DO A COUNTY OR CITY WORK IS THAT THERE'S, WHICH IS WHAT'S SO NICE ABOUT THIS COURT THOUGH, IS THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO AFFECT CHANGE, BUT FOR 65 GRAND, THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU, FOR MOST COUNTIES AND CITIES TO AFFECT ANY CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE TO SEND IT TO THEM THAN IT IS TO DO IT YOURSELF.
AND SO THE ONLY INCENTIVE FOR US TO CHANGE IS TO GO, OH MY GOSH, IT'S GONNA COST US A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THIS IF WE DON'T AFFECT CHANGE NOW WE DON'T START A PLAN NOW AND WE DON'T START REDUCING THESE NUMBERS OF LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHY THEY SHOULDN'T LET THEIR PUPPIES MULTIPLY FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.
UM, AND IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM OPTIONS TO GET IT
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DONE FOR FREE, OR WE HAVE TONS OF SPECIALS, THEY GET A $20 SPECIAL IN JANUARY, A $20 SPECIAL IN FEBRUARY.BUT IF WE DON'T GET THAT WORD OUT TO PEOPLE AND LET 'EM KNOW THAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, THEN YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE ANIMALS.
HE JUST TOLD YOU THEY CAN TAKE $60.
SO IF WE DON'T STOP THE PROBLEM NOW AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.
SO UNLESS WE SIT DOWN AND WE TALK ABOUT IT AND WE PUT A PLAN IN PLACE AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE, WE'RE NEVER GONNA ACCOMPLISH HERE.
HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE TO THE COURT IS THAT WE, UH, WORK, HAVE PAM KIND OF BE THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGER OF THIS AND WORK WITH, UH, BONNIE AND WITH DONNIE AND I SERVE AS WELL, AND GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A PLANNING SESSION WHERE WE CAN KIND OF GET THE FRAMEWORK GOING FOR THIS.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH WORKSHOPS THAT WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG AND COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A STRATEGIC PLAN.
YOU, SOMEBODY POSSIBLY, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, AS EVERYBODY SAID, THIS PROBLEM GONNA DO ANYTHING, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT.
A OPPOSED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO YOU WANT, UH, YEAH, BONNIE? BONNIE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT, UH, THE COMAN COUNTY PRESENTED THE COMAN COUNTY NINE PROJECT WITH THE 2000 WE BUDGETED IN OUR BUDGET TO HELP ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM.
AND I, UH, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT 2000 AND MAKING IT, TURN IT INTO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I KNOW WE'RE MEETING, MEETING.
UM, THANKFULLY MR. MANAGE, MR. CLARK, THIS IS GONNA BE THE LAST TIME.
AND ALSO FOR, UH, MR. I THINK THIS IS GONNA CONCLUDE THE LAST THING THAT I'M GONNA COME TO YOU ABOUT FOR SOME TIME.
NEED WRITE THAT DOWN IN MINUTE.
I KNOW TIRED, BUT, UM, I CAME TO YOU BECAUSE JUDGE, AND BOTH THAT MBVA WAS NOT SERVICING OUR COLLECTION THE WAY THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
AND REBECCA, DID WE TURN, DID WE SEND A LETTER TO TERMINATE? I KNOW THAT JOHN HAS AT LEAST REACHED OUT TO MBVA AND HAS EMAILED US ELEVATION LANGUAGE.
UM, I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP WITH THEM AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S OFFICIALLY BEEN OR NOT.
UM, BUT AS TO YOUR CONTRACT IN FRONT BEFORE JOHN DID REVIEW THAT, EXCELLENT.
UM, WHAT JUDGE ASHCROFT AND I ASKED, UM, THE PURDUE FIRM TO DO FOR US AND DAN DONNO, UH, PREVIOUSLY WITH LINEBARGER, I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
I MEAN, HE HAD COME AND, UH, TALKED TO US.
I ALSO MET WITH JEFF BROWN AND TOLD JUDGE CRO AND, UH, JUDGE CRO AND I THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO PURDUE.
WHAT PURDUE ACTUALLY WAS WILLING TO DO FOR US.
UH, WE HAD ASKED HIM IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A ONE YEAR INITIAL CONTRACT SO THAT IF AT THE END OF THAT ONE YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LADIES WERE NOT SATISFIED THAT WE WOULD NOT BE WALKED INTO ANOTHER TWO YEAR TERM.
AND THEY WERE VERY NICE ABOUT SAYING ABSOLUTELY WE WILL DO THAT FOR Y'ALL.
UM, JOHN LONG HAS LOOKED OVER THE CONTRACT, UM, HE ASKED THEM FOR A COUPLE OF CHANGES, WHICH THEY MADE, AND UM, AND I WOULD JUST ASK THOSE APPROVAL FOR US TO BEGIN WITH ON JANUARY ONE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THERE ARE, UH, PEOPLE HERE FROM FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR I HAVE A COUPLE.
UM, THE, UM, SECTION TWO, PARAGRAPH A, THE COUNTY SHALL ALL ACCOUNTS BY MAGNETIC MEDIUM.
IS DO WE HAVE THAT CAPABILITY?
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YES.NOW, UM, MR. WORK WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO ASSIST US.
WE, WE ALREADY DO THAT NOW WITH BERG AND WE DO THAT WITH MBPA AND SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO HOOK UP WITH THEM.
THE NEXT SENTENCE SAYS THAT THEY, UH, SHOULD BE IN A SPECIFIED FORMAT.
IF, IF WE'RE NOT SET UP FOR THAT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST TO GET US TO THAT POINT? UH, BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE, BUT I'VE KNOWN WITH DAN RUMBLES FOREVER.
YOU, LEMME TELL YOU, HE KNOWS THE BUSINESS AND I KNOW THAT HE, HE REMEMBERS FACT WHEN WE COULDN'T CONVINCE JPS TO COLLECT, LET ALONE HAVE A COUPLE WILLING JPS THAT WANT TO ENGAGE THIS COMPANY.
SO THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY WORKING WITH TYLER.
WE KNOW OUR ROUTINE TO PROVIDE ALL THE DATA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT HISTORICAL DATA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A LONG RELATIONSHIP WORKING WITH TYLER.
DO Y'ALL FORESEE ANY PROBLEMS OR EXTRA COST TO THE COUNTY? NO, SIR.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE ODYSSEY SYSTEM AND BE ABLE TO, UH, GET THE CASES AND IT'S THE SAME KIND OF FORMAT.
THE WAY THAT THEY WE'RE DOING IT PREVIOUSLY WON'T ACTUALLY, IT'LL HELP BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE EXPORT INTERFACE IN PLACE ALREADY.
WHAT ALLOWS THE FORCE TO EXPORT THE CASES TO US THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO GET GOING HERE, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY SO THAT WAY THE JP COURTS AREN'T DOWN TOO LONG WITHOUT COLLECTIONS.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO START COLLECTING IMMEDIATELY, START GOING AFTER THOSE DEFENSE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE COMING UP TO REALLY GOOD TIMES, UH, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH.
UH, COLLECTION TIMES FOR DEFENDANTS AND THEY'RE GETTING ADDITIONAL REVENUES WITH TAX REFUNDS AND CHRISTMAS BONUSES, STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY, UH, UH, WHEN THEY GOTTEN PRECINCT ONE, PRECINCT TWO, TRYING TO START JANUARY 1ST BECAUSE WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE AN IMPACT AND START OFF IN THE VERY GOOD COLLECTION ITEMS ON THE SECTION THREE.
SEE IT SAYS, IF REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY, PURDUE AGREES TO PROVIDE LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE COUNTY, THE LEGAL FINDING FEE ACCOUNTS.
UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT PERTAIN TO? IS, IS THERE ADDITIONAL COST? IF THERE, IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF LEGAL MATTER THAT ARISES OUT OF OUR COLLECTION EFFORTS, THEN WE WILL PROVIDE THAT LEGAL ADVICE, UH, TO THE COUNTY.
UM, AS A RESULT OF A COLLECTION MATTER.
SOMEBODY TRIES OUR COLLECTION LETTER OR DISPUTE THAT THE COLLECTION PROCESS OF ANY SORT THAT, THAT WE WILL, UM, UH, REPRESENT THE COUNTY IN THAT PARTICULAR MATTER.
IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR COLLECTION AND NO, NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE.
THE PROCEEDINGS THAT'S CHARGE.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UH, COLMAN COUNTY'S, UM, ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE SCHOOL'S ON CAMERA, UM, PROGRAM? I BELIEVE THAT JUDGE BART HAD TOLD ME THAT Y'ALL WERE LOOKING, UM, UH, STAFF WITH THE A TS.
IS THAT CORRECT? DID Y'ALL UTILIZE THE ATS? YES.
I KNOW THAT'S SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT SOME OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT ARE UTILIZING.
IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM.
I THINK, UM, HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE VIDEOS AND STUFF.
I'M SURE Y'ALL CATTLE, Y'ALL WERE APPROACHED BY ATS ABOUT THAT.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY, BASICALLY IF ANY DELINQUENT CASE
HAVE YOU EVER COLLECTED ON THE CIVIL MATTERS THAT THESE TICKETS WILL BE A RESULT OF? NO, NOT, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A NEW ANIMAL FOR, BUT THE, THOSE, UH, SCHOOL BUS, UH, ENFORCEMENT THINGS RELATIVELY NEW IN THE INDUSTRY.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW WE HANDLE THAT.
'CAUSE IT WILL, BASICALLY ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TAILOR OUR LETTER AND A LETTER WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT SINCE IT WILL BE A CIVIL MATTER VERSUS CRIMINAL MATTER.
SO WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENT ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR LETTER.
HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE IN, IN THAT ISSUE, MR. HOLLY.
AND IF ANY OF THOSE COME TO, TO THE COURT, THOSE WOULD BE AS, THE ONLY THING THAT THE JUDGE CAN DO IS TO DO A CIVIL JUDGMENT.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS ANY STATUTE.
I WILL RESEARCH IT FOR YOU, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS ANY STATUTE YET THAT WOULD ALLOW A FIRM, LIKE DO A LINEBARGER TO COLLECT A CIVIL JUDGMENT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A FINE WORK CLAUSE RESEARCH.
AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY A TS MIGHT ALREADY HAVE COLLECTION MECHANISMS IN PLACE ALREADY AS THE COMPANY IS PART OF THE PROTOCOL FOR THAT SERVICE AS WELL.
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WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND GET WITH AT S AND SEE HOW, LIKE THE JUDGE SAID, HOWSO THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF AN ANIMAL, UH, DEALING WITH A CIVIL MATTER VERSUS CRIMINAL.
WE HAVE ALL, ALL THOSE HAMMERS AND CIVIL'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU DO WHAT YOU WERE TAKING ON AND IF YOU HAD ANY EXPERIENCE TRYING TO NOT YET.
LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BRAND NEW AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRM HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 44 YEARS.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP ROLLING WITH THE PUNCHES AS NEW COLLECTIONS AND, AND, AND THINGS BECOME AVAILABLE.
WE'LL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO HANDLE.
NEXT UNDER THE, UH, UH, SECTION FOUR, THE COLLECTION TEAM.
UM, THE LINE ITEM ONE, IT SAYS NO CHARGE FOR THE COLLECTED FINES, FEES, AND COURT COSTS REFERRED TO PURDUE BY THE COUNTY IMPOSED ON ALL UN ADJUDICATED OFFENSE COMMITTED BEFORE JUNE 18TH, 2003.
AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS A 30% CHARGE FOR ALL ADJUDICATED OFFENSES AND JUDGMENT DIDN'T EXPLAIN THIS TO ME MORE.
WHY, WHY WOULD WE BE CHARGED FOR ONE AND NOT THE OTHER? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE SAID.
WELL, I, I, I I CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE MORE.
AND IN 2001, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT THE LEGISLATION ALLOWED FOR 30%.
IN 2002, THERE WAS A ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION THAT CAME OUT THAT WAS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT A, HE COULD BE ATTACHED TO A FAILURE TO APPEAR ACCOUNT.
THOSE ARE TRAFFIC TICKETS WHERE THE DEFENDANT HAS NEVER SHOWED UP TO COURT.
SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN APPLY THE FEE TO THOSE PARTICULAR ACCOUNTS.
SO THE ATTORNEY CAME BACK AND THEY MAY, UH, JUNE 18TH, 2003 AS A THRESHOLD TO SAY, OKAY, ANYTHING PRIOR TO THAT, YOU CAN ADD THE FEE.
BUT HERE ON OUT THE FEE CAN BE ADDED TO ALL CASES BECAUSE BOTH CASES PRO FINES AND THE BETTER TO APPEAR.
SO THOSE CASES ARE KIND OF OLD.
THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF COURTS AND THOSE FUNDS WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF THE COUNTY'S PORTION AND WE DIDN'T WANT YOU GUYS TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE TICKETS.
AND SO WE WERE DOING THAT AS FREE OF CHARGE THE COUNTY.
SO Y'ALL WILL BEAR ANY COST ON THOSE TICKETS.
BASICALLY, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME TO Y'ALL AND SAY, THIS IS GONNA COST Y'ALL PAY FOR, FOR US TO COME AND COLLECT FOR YOU ANY SOFTWARE COST OR ANY OF THE TRAINING.
WE WILL BEAR ANY OF THOSE COSTS FOR JP ONE AND TWO.
AND WE JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CHARGE.
THE COUNTY, THE COLLECTION SERVICE, THE DEFENDANT IS THE ONE WHO FAILED, UH, TO PAY THE OBLIGATIONS TO THE COURT.
SO THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO PAY FOR, FOR THE DELINQUENCY.
VERY, BASED ON WHAT JUDGE GORDON HAS TOLD ME, I BELIEVE HAVE A NUMBER OF THOSE CASES, UH, THAT PRIOR TO, UH, JUNE 18TH, I MEAN 2003, I MEAN JUST FILE, FILE.
I UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE NOT BEEN WORKED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY THE SHAKE THE TREE, LET'S SEE WHAT FALLS OUT.
AND UM, AFTER THAT POINT, GIVE US A TRY.
IF WE DON'T COLLECT, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE JUDGE AND SAY, JUDGE, I TRIED
THEN THE COURT CAN TAKE THE APPROPRIATE STEPS AS FIRST AS APPROACH THE CASE OR DISMISS OR HOWEVER THEY WANT DO IT, BUT AT LEAST GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO COLLECT.
AND THE PERCENTAGES MAY BE LOW IN THOSE OLDER CASES, BUT 2% OR 3% IS BETTER THAN NO PERCENT.
AND AGAIN, WE BEAR ALL THOSE EXPENSES.
THE QUESTIONS WITNESS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER, UH, UH, SO A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER.
WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
COMMISSIONER, UH, CLARK SECONDS, UH, ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
ALRIGHT, I KNOW WE NEED TO, UH, MOVE ON, BUT I, LET'S DO A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.
AND ITEM NUMBER 10 IS, UH, TO DISCUSS, I'M, I'M NUMBER NINE, I'M SORRY, IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING A $60,000 CHECK ON O'BRIEN ENERGY TO REPAIR DAMAGES SUSTAINED IN COUNTY ROAD 3 56 DURING OIL WELL CONSTRUCTION IN KAUFMAN COUNTY PRECINCT.
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I PUT THAT ON, UH, GRACIOUSLY.GIVE US A CHECK TO HELP WITH 3 56, UH, EVEN PROGRAM.
HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER SHANE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECONDING ITEM NUMBER 10 TO DISCUSS TYLER TECHNOLOGY, SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE FOR TON COUNTY CLERK WITH EXPENDITURES EXCEEDING $25,000.
UH, THIS IS REQUEST TO, UH, RENEW OUR TYLER AGREEMENT FOR HOSTING AND SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE COURSE ARE SO VENDOR THEIR AND 25.
WHAT'S THE, THIS IS FOR THE COUNTY CLERKS.
THIS IS, OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 10 AS LISTED.
AND ONE OTHER ITEM, GO TAKE A BREAK.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 11 TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE SALE OF PROPERTY ID NUMBER 7 7 2 8 4 PRECINCT THREE A ONE ACRE LOT WITH BOND, UH, THE POND, I'M SORRY, PURSUANT THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNOR CODE 2 7 2 BI.
UH, UH, REBECCA, I THINK YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
SO REBECCA, WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK FIRST AND UH, AHEAD, MR. YOU JUST COME UP WITH MR. SO WHAT YOU FOUND OUT ON THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY.
OKAY, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU SUPPLIED ALL OF US WITH, UH, THE INFORMATION.
IT SHOULD BE IN THE COURT'S PACKET TODAY, RIGHT? UM, INITIALLY WHEN COMMISSIONER SHANE CAME TO OUR OFFICE ANALYSIS ABOUT, UM, THIS SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE RE RESEARCHED, UH, SEPARATE WAYS TO SELL, UM, COUNTY PROPERTY, UM, UNDER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
THERE'S A JOURNAL PROVISION, UM, THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC AUCTION AND, UM, BIDDING PROCEDURES, AND THERE'S ALSO A SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROVISION.
AND THAT'S THE LONG PROVISION YOU GET IN THE AGENDA.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME ON THE AGENDA, I'M JUST ASKING THE COURT TO CONSIDER, UH, IF THIS SPECIFIC LOT ACTUALLY MEETS THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AND IF IT DOES, UM, THEN WE CAN, UH, PROCEED UNDER THE EXCEPTION AND NOT UNDER THE TRADITIONAL, UM, PROCEDURES UNDER LIKE, I THINK IT'S 2 63.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK, I THINK THINK THE CODE SHOULD BE SUPPLIED IN THE PACKET IN THERE AND FLIP DOWN TO, UM, B ONE THAT WILL GET YOU THE NARROW STRIPS OF LAND BECAUSE IT SHAPED, UH, LACK OF ACCESS TO PUBLIC ROAD OR SMALL AREA THAT CANNOT BE USED IN INDEPENDENTLY UNDER CURRENT ZONING.
UM, SO THIS IS THE KIND OF THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU GUYS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTION ON, UM, BUT THE LAND, IF YOU LOOK OVER THE POND LAW PIECE, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE COURT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FINDING AS TO IF THAT MEETS THIS SECTION AND THEN, UM, WE CAN PROCEED TO SETTLE IT UNDER THAT PROVISION SPEAK.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, KIND OF A KEYHOLE CUTOUT.
WE BOUGHT THIS 90 ACRES, UH, AND SUBDIVIDED IT AND, UH, IT'S A FLATTED SUBDIVISION WITH THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S APPROVAL.
AND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PIECE IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THE, THE DRAINAGE DOWN THAT CULVERT DRAINS INTO THIS POND, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS USED BY TEXDOT TO SUPPLY WATER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OF THAT NEW CULVERT ROAD.
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NO EXIT FROM THAT WATER IN THIS RETENTION POND AND IT BACKS UP ONTO THOSE OTHER LOTS, SPECIFICALLY TRACK 14 AND TRACK 15 ON THAT, UH, PLAT THAT YOU HAD IN FRONT OF YOU.AND BECAUSE OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR DOT TO PUT IN CULVERT'S, UH, AND ACCESS TO THE ROAD THERE, THERE'S NO ROAD ACCESS FROM THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S VERY OVERGROWN.
UH, IT HAS NOT BEEN CLEANED, CLEARED BECAUSE IT, IT REALLY HASN'T, UH, A NEED HASN'T BEEN THERE.
BUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IN DOWN AT THE BEGINNING TO CLEAN THOSE SURROUNDING LOT, WE OWN THREE SIDES OF IT.
SO THERE'S NO FUTURE WAY FOR A DRIVEWAY EVER TO BE ON THAT, UH,
WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT IT WOULD BECOME A PART OF THAT TRACK NUMBER 15 AND WE WOULD TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CLEANING IT UP, UH, PROVIDING THE PROPER DRAINAGE AND IT WOULD BECOME A PIECE OF TRACK 15 THAT WOULD GO ON THE TAX ROLLS, UH, AS A RESIDENTIAL TRACK AT THAT POINT.
THERE'S NO TAX, UH, VALUE TO IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF NO ACCESS POINT.
I DROVE OUT AND LOOKED AT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO JUST SO I CAN GET DEAL.
YOU WOULD CLEAN UP, FILL IN THE POND THAT IS THERE OR THE LOWER AREA THAT IS, UH, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD SUGGESTING IS GOING AHEAD AND CLEANING UP ALL AROUND IT AND THEN SUPPLY SOME TYPE OF EXIT POINT FOR THAT POND FOR AN OVERFLOW TO BE BACK DOWN INTO THE CULVERT TO EVENTUALLY DRAIN ACROSS QUAIL LANE WHERE IT SHOULD NORMALLY FLOW.
AND BUT YOU WOULDN'T BUILD A HOUSE ON TOP OF WHERE THIS POND? ABSOLUTELY, NO.
THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BECOME A PART OF TRACK 15, WHICH IS WHERE THE BUILDING SITE WAS.
UM, I MEAN WHEN WE BOUGHT IT WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST AN EYESORE AND IF THE COUNTY MAINTAINED IT PROPERLY, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE A, A, A CONSTANT MAINTENANCE ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE, THE DRAINAGE INTO IT.
WHAT IS THE OFFER? WELL, AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS WITH NO ACCESS POINT TOO.
I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT, UH, HAVE GONE TO AUCTION WITH NO ACCESS AND, AND SO WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD EVEN ESTABLISH A VALUE ON THE PIECE.
THERE'S NO BUILDING SITE 'CAUSE OF THE POND.
THERE'S NO ACCESS TO IT FROM THE DOT MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
HOW DO WE KNOW THERE'S NO ACCESS TO IT? 'CAUSE THE MINIMUM SPACE BETWEEN, UH, DRIVEWAYS AND ROADS IS 425 FEET ON A FARM TO MARKET ROAD WITH, UH, SKI LIMIT 50 MILES AN HOUR OR ABOVE.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT FROM QUAIL LANE, INCLUDING THAT SMALL SECTION OF OF 15, AND THEN THE ENTIRE SPANE OF THAT POND TRACK IS 300 FEET PLUS 110, WHICH IS 410 FEET.
HAVE YOU ASKED FOR ACCESS AND YOU TRIED TO GET ACCESS TO THAT? NO, NO.
THERE'S NO, THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT IS COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE A DOUBLE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN TRACK 13 AND 14.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, DOT APPROVED.
SO YOU HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS IN ESSENCE THERE THAT WOULD REALLY PRODUCE A, A, A BOTTLENECKING OF ACCESS POINTS, UH, AT THAT PROPERTY.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO, UH, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THROUGH
YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH VARI.
IF THERE'S LESS THAN 2000 VEHICLES A DAY, THOSE RESTRICTIONS DO NOT APPLY.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT IF THE PROPERTY WAS A PIECE OF A, A SUBDIVIDED SUBDIVIDED SUBDIVISION, THEY, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE REASON FOR GRANTING ACCESS TO IT.
BUT YOU DOCK CANNOT LANDLOCK A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WELL, THEY DIDN'T LANDLOCK IT BY ME PURCHASING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SURROUNDS IT ON THREE SIDES.
I LANDLOCK IT SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS PURCHASED.
THAT'S HOW IT WAS BECAUSE I, I I, I QUESTIONED TEX DO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT SAME THING, HE ASKED HIM IF HE CAN'T GET A DRIVEWAY PERMIT IN THERE, RIGHT? AND THEY SAID, NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED TO ASK FOR A DRIVEWAY PERMIT AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GRANT.
SO, SO I SAY THAT HE COULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
I'M NOT SAYING WILL AUTOMATICALLY, CAN YOU ASK FOR A DRIVEWAY PERMIT TO PIECE PROPERTY? YOU DON'T DUNNO.
YOU'D HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE.
IT'S DRIVEWAY PERMIT'S, VERY, VERY ESTABLISHED.
THERE'S TWO DRIVEWAYS AND THEN THERE'S A QUAIL LANE ON EACH SIDE OF IT.
SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM UNDER THE PROVISIONS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE, YOU CAN DO THAT TO GIVE, LEMME GIVE YOU A VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE VEHICLE COUNT PER DAY ON THAT ROAD.
BUT IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT ONE THAT IF A PROPERTY BECOMES LANDLOCKED BECAUSE OF A SUBDIVISION AROUND IT, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A PROVISION FOR THE VARIANCE TO BE GRANTED.
OKAY? SO YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, IT'S LANDLOCK AND IT'S ALL ONE VARIANCE.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.
I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, IF IT WENT TO THE PUBLIC SALE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
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THERE THAT THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING ON MY PROPERTIES.AND ALSO THAT THERE'S AT THIS POINT, NO, NO GRANTED ACCESS FROM THE DOT WHY WE GO TO PUBLIC.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIXING TO ASK.
IS THIS SOMETHING? I HAVE NO PROBLEM AS LONG AS THOSE PROVISIONS ARE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD, WHICH IS NOT RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA BEING MY PROPERTY THAT'S AFFECTED BY THIS POND.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE DIRT WORK AND SOME TYPE OF ENGINEERING STATE DONE TO CLEAN THAT UP.
MY PROBLEM IS IF THE COUNTY SELLS THAT PROPERTY TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME, DO I LOSE MY ABILITY TO, TO CALL THE COUNTY AND SAY, I NEED SOME MAINTENANCE DONE ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S SNAKES AND TREES AND MOSQUITOES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA MESS WITH IT.
IT'S JUST A FISHING HOLE FOR ME.
THEN I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.
'CAUSE MY SUBDIVISION AROUND IT IS RESTRICTED TO NO LONGER OWN VERY CLEAN, HIGH DOLLAR SUBDIVISION.
IT APPEARS, REBECCA, FROM THE RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE DONE, WE COULD SELL THE PROPERTY, UH, BASED ON THE STATUTE THAT IS WRITTEN.
IF WE COULD AGREE ON PRICE IS THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I READING YOU OFF OF $4,000 IF I REMEMBER.
THAT'S WHAT I GENERALLY PAY FOR THE ACRES AROUND PER ACRE.
SO, OR WE COULD OFFER IT FOR SALE JUST LIKE WE WOULD ANY OTHER PIECE OF OFFICE.
EITHER WAY, JUDGE, IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT'S POSTED ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER YOU WANTED TO, UH, CONSIDER SELLING IT OR APPROVING THE SALE OF IT, UM, UNDER THAT EXCEPTION AND COURT EITHER MAKE THAT FINDING OR NOT AND THEN CHOOSE TO PROCEED ANOTHER WAY.
OKAY, GENTLEMEN? AND THEN, UH, LET'S GO BACK AND READ THAT.
AND THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC, THE WAY THE WORDING IS ON HERE.
UH, SO IF WE DECIDE TO SELL IT THROUGH THIS PROVISION OF 2 72 B ONE CD, UH, WE CAN AGREE ON PRICE TODAY AND EVEN SET IT OR WE COULD COME BACK AND PUT IT ON A PUBLIC AUCTION AND ADVERTISE PROPERTY FOR FOR SALE.
UH, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE, MR. BLA, IS IF WE SELL THIS TO YOU USING, UTILIZING THIS, UH, STATUTE THAT WE MIGHT BE SETTING A PRECEDENT, UH, FOR US, YOU CAN GO WITH LEGAL NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
AND JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME A PUBLIC AUCTION MIGHT, YOU MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT BID ON IT.
IF YOU ARE THAT YOU HOPE IT BID, WHATEVER YOU BESIDES THE BID, YOU MIGHT GET IT CHEAPER.
BUT UH, WELL, I I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YEAH, WHAT ITSELF FOR 4,000? YEAH, IMMATERIAL.
THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE MORE OF A TRANSPARENT, UH, WAY TO DO THAT.
AND IT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER TO DO, BUT IT MIGHT NOT GET BAD IDEA.
JUDGE, CAN I JUDGE? I'M SORRY, JOHN, CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING? UH, IF YOU DO A PUBLIC SALE, YOU NEED 20 DAYS NOTICE, AT LEAST IF YOU DO A PRIVATE SALE, UH, I MEAN JUST FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, THIS PUSHED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
NO ONE SHOWING UP SITE MR. LANG.
I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO IT, BUT I WOULD CONSIDER, IN FACT, HE'S OFFERED 4,000 BUCKS FOR A TRACTOR PLAN.
SO MY MATH ISN'T GREAT, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE.
THE COURT NEEDS TO DECIDE WE CAN DO THAT TODAY.
AND YOU'RE STILL OFFERING $4,000.
I AM, I I'M MARKET VALUE FOR IT AND, AND IT PUTS IT ON THE TAX ROLL AND I TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MAINTENANCE AND THE YEAH, ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO THAT OR WE CAN DO IT ON PUBLIC.
MAY I, AND I WOULD BE COMPLETELY AGREEABLE WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT, IT IS KNOWN THAT THIS PROPERTY AGAIN HAS NO PUBLIC ACCESS TO, TO A ROAD RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CLEANUP AND MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IT IMMEDIATELY.
IT IS SEVERELY IMPACTING THE OTHER LOTS AROUND, BUT I I HAVEN'T EVEN SOLD THE OTHER TWO BECAUSE I DON'T WANT DO ANYTHING UNTIL IT'S RESOLVED.
MR. LANE, IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT, UM, PLAN, DO YOU, UM, PROCEED A WATER COMING AND GIVING SOMEBODY A METER IF THEY BOUGHT THIS ONE ACRE AND TRIED TO PUT A HOUSE ON IT? IF, IF YOU GOT ANY FEEDBACK THERE, YEAH, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM GETTING A METER TO IT BECAUSE THERE'S AMPLE WATER THERE.
UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IF THIS, IF I'M ABLE TO BUY THIS ON WHICHEVER WAY YOU DECIDE, THERE WILL BE NO DRIVEWAY OR ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY FROM
IT'S THE ROAD IS TERRIBLE RIGHT THERE AND IT'S A SIGNIFICANT UH, DITCH.
ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? COULD WE, IT WAS A POSSIBILITY OF IF WE HAVE HAVE IT APPRAISED REQUIREMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THAT INDEPENDENT APPRAISER APPRAISE IT AND THAT'S WHAT THE VALUE WOULD MAKE.
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THE 4,000 SEEMED A LITTLE BIT SMALL TO ME BECAUSE YOUR REAL ESTATE COMPANY'S GOT LISTED PROBABLY FOR ABOUT 8,000 BUCKS AN ACRE.I WOULD SAY THIS, IF THIS IS A PART OF A 90 ACRE TRACK, THEN YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT AS A ONE ACRE TRACK OF POND.
OKAY? SO IF THIS WAS NEVER A CUTOUT TO THIS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS TIRE FEE.
NOW I'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER REALLY NICE PIECES OF PROPERTY UNDER A ONE ACRE OUTLINE THAT SOLD FOR $3,950 AN ACRE.
BUT THE LOT DECK TOOK LIKE 14 AND IT TOOK LISTED FOR 37 9 AND LOT 14, INCLUDING THE POND REAL ESTATE COMPANY SAYS WORTH 45,900.
BUT YOU KEEP SAYING IT'S A LOT, IT'S NOT A LOT, IT IS NOT A LOT WITH NO PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE ROAD YOU CANNOT CONSIDER A LOT.
SO THAT'S FINE IF YOU WANT AN APPRAISE IT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING THE APPRAISAL'S GONNA HAVE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S NO ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD THAT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPRAISER TO DECIDE THOUGH.
BUT WE, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.
WELL I'M SURE THE APPRAISAL, WE KNOW THAT KNOW THAT WOULD APP IT ACCORDING.
HONESTLY, I, AGAIN, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS IF WE DO THIS AND IT'S PERMISS THAT WE MIGHT BE SITTING A ONLY DOWN WAY, WHO KNOWS THEY NEVER COME UP AGAIN, BUT PERHAPS, UH, WE COULD GET AN APPRAISAL DONE AND THEN COME BACK TO MR. UH, UH, LANE AND SAY WELL THIS IS WHAT APP AND YOU KNOW, STILL LET YOU BE PERSON THAT DECIDES WHAT YOU WANNA BUY AT THAT PRICE.
AND IF I SAY NO, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE PUBLIC OPTION.
I'M ASSUMING THE COUNTY WANTS TO SELL IT.
IF NOT, I DON'T NEED TO GET IT CLEANED UP.
I DON'T THINK THERE A MUD HOLE, YOU KNOW, THEY ON THE SOUTH OF THAT ROAD NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP.
I DON'T THINK YOU GO OUT THERE DEAL WITH IT.
I AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE TOO FAR.
I SUGGEST WE JUST PUT IT UP FOR AUCTION AND SKIP THE APPRAISAL BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA COST MONEY SLOW DOWN BIT.
MR BLA YOU BIG, I'M SURE YOU'ALL ALREADY GET IT CLEANED UP.
I DON'T WANNA SELL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY UNTIL WE GET RESOLVED OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE, BECAUSE TRACK 14 IS THE ONE THAT'S SEVERELY AFFECTED BY IT, BY WATER AND THAT'S THE EXIT ROUTE FOR THE DRAINAGE FROM THAT'S THE BACKUP POINT.
WHERE, WHERE IS THE POND GUN OVERFLOW ONCE IT FILLS UP BACK UP ON THE 14.
PARDON? I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST PUT IT UP FOR AUCTION AND WE KEEP THIS THING CLEAN AND ABOVE BOARD.
ARE YOU PUTTING THAT IN FORM OF A MOTION? I AM, YEAH.
I GUESS ACTUALLY THE, THE, CAN WE DO THAT THE WAY IT'S ON THE AGENDA? UM, YES, YOUR HONOR.
OKAY, SO YOUR MOTION WOULD BE A COMMISSIONER THAT WE, UH, PUT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AS LISTED ON THE AGENDA OF PUBLIC.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AGAINST, THANK YOU MR. WE'LL GET, WE'LL TRY TO GET THIS POSTED AND GET IT DONE AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE A BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, FINISH UP AND WE WILL SEE THE ITEM NUMBER 12.
AND THAT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE USE OF COUNTY LABOR AND EQUIPMENT ON PRIVATE BROKERS.
I PUT THAT ON COUPLE, COUPLE REASONS.
ONE, NOT VERY LONG AGO I WAS INFORMED BY A HIGHLY RESPECTED, UH, LEGAL MIND THAT THE LACK OF RESPECT THIS COMMISSIONER COURT HAS FOR UH, LEGAL SYSTEM IS A POLICY.
I TAKE IT AS A PERSON IN FRONT FOR ME THAT YOU'RE NOT YOUR PASSES OUT THERE.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BACKUP INFORMATION.
AND UH, THE PRESS, I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE TWO SWEAR ROAD REPORT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE SWORN TO THE GRAND JURY IN LIGHT
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OF SEVERAL ISSUES COUNTY HAD IN THE PAST, INCLUDING IFICATION OF THE GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT CAUSED A CERTAIN ELECTED OFFICIAL BEING REMOVED FROM OFFICE.I HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION SEVERAL TIMES THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THESE ROAD REPORTS, CORRECT.
GEORGIA REPORTS ARE STILL NOT CORRECT.
THE FIRST PAGE YOU GOT RIGHT THERE SAID THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT SWORN ANNUAL REPORT.
THE NEXT ONE IS LIMITATIONS OF AUTHORITY COMMISSION FROM COURT AUTHORITY LEY VERSUS
JIM, ATTORNEY GENERAL COUNTY 200 CAN LABOR MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT CANNOT BE USED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I SAID I'VE HAD CLEAR AUTHORITY FOR MAINTENANCE ON ALL ROADS IN THE COUNTY INVENTORY.
YOU CAN, THERE'S A MECHANISM WE'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL TIMES.
WE HAVE HAVE THAT CLEAR MECHANISM.
NEXT THING YOU GOT IS JOHN POINTED OPINION OH 5 0 3, WHETHER THE COUNTY MAINTAINED THE ROAD THAT HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY ESTABLISHED AS THE PUBLIC ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN ACCESSIBLE TO AND BRIEFLY USED BY THE PUBLIC.
IN ESSENCE IT SAYS NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
NEXT PART IS IN YOUR ANNUAL GO REPORT THAT WAS AMENDED THIS YEAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT EAST LANE YOU PUT ON THERE, IT'S IN THE TREE COUNTRY SUBDIVISION IN 1986.
THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS A VERY, VERY BAD DETAIL.
BUT THIS TED OVER KIND OF PER I CAN LOOK AT IT, THAT IS NOT PART OF THAT TREE COUNTRY SUBDIVISION, TREE COUNTRY SUBDIVISION IS OVER TO THE LEFT OF NORTH LANE THERE.
I GUESS THAT MIGHT BE GOING WHEN I BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWN THERE, EVERYBODY, I'M GONNA MAKE IT CLEAR WITH YOU.
UH, I GOT A REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT WILL COME AND TESTIFY THAT ADAM JOHNSONS PUT THE, ON THAT ROAD, PUT THE ROCK ON THAT ROAD BEFORE I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S COUNTY MAINTAIN ROAD.
AND I DO HAVE A UH, UH, DEAL THAT I GOT FROM MR. JONES WHO TRIED TO, UH, I DID HAVE A COPY OF THIS IN MY OFFICE.
WE PUT THE REPORT OUT 19 2 5 HAS EACH ON IT ALSO AND DIDN'T HAVE NORTH ON IT.
SO ANYWAY, BUT UH, A COUNTY COMMISSIONER HAS NO AUTHORITY TO JUST SAY A ROAD, A COUNTY ROAD COMMISSIONER BEFORE I, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT A COUNTY ROAD.
WE DID CHAPTER 2 58 WHEN YOU WERE ON THE COURT, WAS IT A CLARIFICATION OF A PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE ROAD, THE COUNTY CLEAR AUTHORITY TO WORK ON THE ROAD THAT YOU, THAT THAT HAD BEEN A ROAD THERE FOR YOU DID, YOU WERE ON THE COURT AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE IN YOUR, IN AS A COUNTY ROAD.
I THINK IT'S ON THAT, THAT COUNTY ROAD IS ON FILE OVER THERE AND THE CLERKS ON UH, IT WAS NEVER DECLARED COUNTY ROAD.
I DON'T THINK YOU SAID THE THIRD COUNTY ROAD WIND.
I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY ON, ON YOUR ROAD REPORT NOW COMMISSIONER JUST SAYING COUNTY ROAD, LIKE ME SAYING DRIVEWAY 2005 ON THE STATE.
UH, BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN LISTED SINCE THEN, UNTIL THIS LAST YEAR I BELIEVE.
AND I PUT THAT ON THERE BEFORE I PUT ON THERE SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS CORRECTLY TO KEEP SOME FROM EXTENDING MONEY ON THE PRIVATE ROAD.
YOU ANTICIPATE SPENDING 28 TIME MOTOR ON THAT ROAD AND YOU'LL GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE DETAILS ON HERE.
IT SHOWS THAT ROAD ONLY SERVICES YOUR PROPERTY, IT GOES ALL RAILROAD, USE IT ALL PLUS UH, UH, THE PLUMBING COMPANY, IT CAN BE A PUBLIC RIGHT, BUT IT CAN'T BE A COUNTY MAINTAIN IF IT JUST GOES INTO YOUR PRIVATE LOCKED GATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, 'CAUSE YOUR PROPERTY ALL HAS ROAD THAT YES, BUT IT ALSO, IT COULD RUN OIL.
YOU PUT, PUT THE BACK BUY PROPERTY.
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AND HE, HE CAN DO THAT TOO.BUT I MEAN, I, THIS PROPERTY WAY BEFORE I EVEN BECOME
UH, SO YOU GONNA TELL ME ON POSSIBLY, BUT YOU, HAVE YOU MAINTAINED THAT ROAD SINCE THEN? I HAVE NOT THAT ROAD SINCE THEN.
I HAVE, IF YOU HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MONEY ON ROADS, THEN IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
I HAVE NOT IN OFF LIVED IN THAT SUBDIVISION HERE, YOU KNOW, MR. AND, AND, UH, HE WAS WORKING FOR ME.
AND SO ANYWAY, UM, HE WANTED, I SAID NO, LIKE GO BY HIS, IN FACT, HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, JC CHANGED THE T AROUND OVER ON ANOTHER RODEO THERE.
ORIGINAL J THIS WHOLE PROPERTY, EAST, EAST LANE IS NOT PART OF, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY OFFICE.
BUT, BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE AS LONG AS YOU HAVE NOT SPENT ANY MONEY, YOU CAN HAVE A ROAD, A PUBLIC TRAILER GOING THROUGH ANYWHERE.
BUT WHAT I DO, I, I SPENT, I DID SPEND MONEY ON PERSONALLY MYSELF BECAUSE JC OVER THERE GOES ACROSS AND WATER GOING DOWN AND FILLING DOWN ON A LANE.
THE PEOPLE DOWN THERE GET NO WATER DOWN INTO THAT POND.
AND, AND SO ANYWAY, IT COME ACROSS THE ROAD.
THERE ALSO COME ACROSS IN CUL UH, ADAM PUT IN DOWN THERE, UH, BEFORE YOU GET INTO MY GATE, THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL CAME.
THEY SAID HE WASH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT, UH, ROAD AT TWO SPOTS HE OBSERVED COUNTY EQUIPMENT MOWING.
OH, WE'RE, WE'RE POSTED FOR DISCUSS, CONSIDER THE USE OF COUNTY LABOR AND EQUIPMENT ON AND APPEARS TO BE A MATTER, I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT THAT SHORT TO SAY, I DUNNO THAT IT'S AN ACTION ITEM.
WELL, AND NEED TO DISCUSS THAT.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED INFORMATION TODAY THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE, UH, PURSUE OR INVESTIGATED AT LEAST.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ASK, UH, EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, THE INCOMING COMMISSIONERS AND THE
WE DID THAT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT.
I ON VERY COMPLAIN, UH, ABOUT TERRY.
UH, SO WE, WE KNOW THE PROCESS.
IF WE, IF WE WILL FOLLOW THAT PROCESS, ANYBODY NEEDS HELP ON THAT PROCESS, WE CAN PROVIDE IT.
BUT IF WE'VE GOT, UH, IF WE'VE GOT ROADS THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT HAVE NOT OFFICIALLY BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM THROUGH THE PROCEDURE THAT THE LAW STATES, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND CLEAN THAT UP APPEARS TO ME.
SO WE HAVE TO RESEARCH EVERY SINGLE ROAD, EVERY, I DON'T KNOW, YOU 200 MILES, 300 MILES, YOU WOULD BE VERIFY THAT YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH YOUR ROLES THAN ANYBODY.
AND I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO DO EVERY SINGLE ROAD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, YOU, I MEAN YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEND SOME TIME ON IT FOR QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERY COMMISSIONER WON.
DO THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT.
WELL, WE'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC, IT IS NOT ON THE DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSIONER AS A, IT IS A DISCUSSION HERE TO THE COURT MEMBERS.
SO I'M NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK AT SOME OTHER TIME IF WE, IF THIS OCCURS BACK ON THE AGENDA.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE, I'M JUST TRYING TO STATE THE FACTS.
I BELIEVE I'M CORRECT THAT THAT'S CORRECT AND, AND ALSO, ALTHOUGH THAT MAY BE A VERY WISE SUGGESTION, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FRAME IT IN TERMS OF THE COURT ORDER TO, TO DO THAT ACTION YOU JUST SAID HERE TO DO WHAT,
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WHAT YOU JUST SAID.IT MAY BE A VERY, VERY GOOD SUGGESTION AND ENCOURAGEMENT.
I DON'T THINK THE COURT CAN VOTE ON IT.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING, I'M JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION YEAH.
TO THE COURT THAT THEY MIGHT WANNA GO LOOK AT THEIR ROADS AND JUST CLEAN THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES OUT THERE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT OR MAY NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND JUST LOOK AND SEE.
WELL, ANOTHER THING I WANNA IS THAT YOUNG BEFORE HE, HE, MR. YOUNG, BEFORE HE DIED, HE CALLED JACKSON COME DOWN HIM SO THAT HE COULD CLARIFY THE SUBDIVISION WITH HIM.
I'VE GOT THE PLAT, IN FACT I SHOWED IT TO JOHN, WON OUR, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HERE WHERE, WHERE IT SHOWS THAT HE MARINE, THAT BEFORE MR. YOUNG DIED, HE GIVE THAT TO ME.
SO I WOULD, THIS RECORD I HAD SHOWED THAT THE ORIGINAL WAS THE ONE THAT DID THE SURVEY AND ALL THAT STUFF AND SHOWED, WELL WE DID, WE WENT TO AN COURT AND PUT IT UNDER LINE.
I WILL, BUT I WOULD NOT BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY STREET WITH NO ACCESS.
NOBODY IN THIS COURT WOULD DO THAT.
THAT ACCESS OR COUNTER PUBLIC USE OF, I'M JUST SAYING YOU GOT TO CLEAR WHAT IS A COUNTY ROAD.
YOU WERE ON THE COURT, WE WENT THROUGH THIS CHAPTER 2 58, I'M SORRY, 2 81 AND WE CLARIFIED EVERY COUNTY ROAD IN THE COUNTY AND YOU, AND AS PUBLIC HEARINGS ON IT, WENT THROUGH THE
SO THAT WHAT YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
BUT IT MAY, IT PROBABLY HAS NOT BEEN, PROBABLY HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED AS ACCURATELY AS IT SHOULD IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF WE HAVE ROAD, THERE'S MECHANISMS TO ADD TO THAT, RIGHT.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S VERY FEW OF ANY COUNTY ROADS THAT HAVE EVER BEEN LEGALLY CLOSED.
IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT IN YOUR OPINION? THERE'S NOT EVER A PUBLIC COUNTY ROAD, ROAD ROAD PRECINCT FOUR.
HOW WAS THAT REOPEN? I KNOW THAT WE TALKED TO, UH, GEORGE WITH HIS NEW GIS PERSON COMING IN AND HE'S AGREED TO, UH, HAVE THAT PERSON WORK, TAKE THE 2007 ROAD REPORT INCORPORATED IN THE NEW PRECINCTS AND THE NEW CITY BOUNDARIES INTO THAT ROAD.
AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ACCEPTED IN 2007, WHAT THE CITIES HAVE TAKEN IN, WHAT THEIR PRECINCTS HAVE TAKEN IN.
AND IT WOULD, AND I THINK OF COURSE EVERYBODY I THINK HAS A COPY OF THE 2007 OFFICIAL MAP OR OFFICIAL LIST, YOU KNOW, BUT CERTAINLY ANYTHING WE CAN DO TECHNOLOGY WISE TO SPEED IT UP, THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER.
AND I, AND THE ISSUE BECOMES, UH, IF IT'S A LEGITIMATE COUNTY ROAD, WE SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT IF IT'S NOT, WE'RE OUT THERE USING COUNTY EQUIPMENT TO MAINTAIN SOMETHING THAT IS NOT COUNTY ROAD UP ANOTHER WORKERS.
AND SO THAT'S THE, WE, WE'VE GOTTA KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE WE'RE DOING THE CORRECT THING.
AND I THINK, THINK I CAN SEE THAT BEING A FULL TIME JOB FOR SOMEBODY.
WELL, GOING BACK RESEARCHING AND, AND VERIFYING THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE ON EVERY SINGLE ROAD THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE A COUNTY ROAD NUMBER.
EVERY ROAD THAT'S MAIN WOULD BE MY, MY GUESS THAT NEEDS TO BE, WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE MINUTES, I THINK RESEARCH AND I THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THE CITY OF HEAT TOOK OVER THAT ROAD AND THERE WAS NO ORDER PUT INTO THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS.
I MEAN, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT IN IN ALL THESE, THE CITY OF THAT JUST YES THERE CITY THAT'S HAPPENED MORE AND MORE SINCE 2007.
SO, BUT GEORGE HAS AGREED TO DO THAT.
I DON'T, I MEAN JUST BECAUSE A ROAD HADN'T BEEN ADDED DOESN'T MEAN WE OUGHT TO EVER ADD IT.
I MEAN WE OUGHT GO AHEAD AND RUN INTO THERE, BACK INTO THE, TO THE MIX.
BECAUSE IF YOU ACCEPT A COUNTY ROAD THAT DOES NOT MEET COUNTY STANDARDS, YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED.
ACCORDING TO JIM ALLISON, YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO ACCEPT ANY COUNTY ROAD THAT MEETS THOSE SAME STANDARDS IN THE COUNTY MAINTENANCE SYSTEM.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE
SO YOU'RE BE CAREFUL THAT PERIOD THROUGH THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET GOOD IF WE'RE GOING TO, I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, BUT LET'S DO IT IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY.
LET'S DO IT IN THE MOST ACCURATE WAY WE CAN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT.
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BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF IT'S NOT BEEN DONE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, WE NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP AND GET, GET IT MADE RIGHT.SO THAT'S, JOHN WAS MY SUGGESTION AND I I I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT PUT IT IN A ORDER OF THE COURT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND AS FAR AS THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WHEN WE USE, WE EXTEND COUNTY MON WE EXTEND IT ON THE COUNTY ROAD, RIGHT? UH, BECAUSE VARIES IN THE PAST, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT WET STOP DOING THAT.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, WE BRING UP JESSE WHITE AND COURTNEY AND ALL THE MONEY EXPEND ON THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T GOT A TOTAL YET BRING THAT COUNTY ROAD UP TO STANDARD THAT WASN'T COLLECTED ON.
SO AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON, UH, JERKING THE BIG DOG'S CHAIN BECAUSE HE THE BIG I THAT UP UNDER WAY ACCIDENT.
I I TOLD HIM WE CAN JUSTIFY A LOT MORE MONEY THAN IF WE SPEND ON THAT AND WE'VE GOT YOU GOT A TOTAL AMOUNT, WE GOT
WELL THAT'S ALL WE'RE WAITING FOR I THINK.
IS THAT NOT RIGHT JOHN? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE NEED TO KNOW THE TOTAL, THEN WE'LL DIVIDE IT OFF BY NUMBER PARCEL.
THE STATUTE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO SAYS YOU CAN CHARGE ALL OR PARTS OF THE MONEY SO YOU CAN CHARGE 'EM A DOLLAR AND YOU'RE FOLLOW, YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW WORK WITHOUT IS A PROBLEM.
THE WORK'S BEEN COMPLETED FOR A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
SO BEFORE OKAY, EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.
SO PROBABLY WILL JOHN, IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE JUST TACKLE THIS ITEM AND NOT TAKE ANY ACTION? YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ACTION TO BE TAKEN.
AND ON A SIDE NOTE, ALTHOUGH IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING Y'ALL WERE NOTICE FOR COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE HAD ESTIMATE ABOUT THE FOLLOW UP ON JESSE.
WELL, WE REMEMBER YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THE, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURES BECAUSE YOU GOTTA HAVE THE UH, UH, UH, ENGINEERING FIRM SEE THAT IT'S SET, THE STANDARDS AND ALL THAT.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PROCESS.
DO SO DIDN'T THAT ROAD USED TO CONTINUE PAST YOUR PROPERTY? TAKES LEFT AND CONNECT TO ANOTHER? THE BRIDGE STILL DOWN THERE LONG, BUT IF THE COUNTY MAINTAINED IT BACK IN THE, AND THE ONLY WAY WE'VE BEEN ABANDONED, I GUESS GO BACK AND RESEARCH.
IT'S, IT'S NOT I ED THAT WE ALL STOOD RIGHT THERE.
ONE OF THOSE CAME SAID, YOU LOOK IT UP, THEY SAID AFTER 1981 COUNTY ACCEPT ROAD BECAUSE IT'S BEEN BY DOWN COUNTY 50,000 MORE CAN ACCEPT A COUNTY THAT IF THE COMMISSIONER COURT ISSUES AN ORDER TO THAT FINDING, NOT COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON THE BIG COUNTY ON THE WALL, WE CAN SEE THE OLD ORIGINAL WOOD FARMS GOES PAST THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO WE WILL NOW MOVE ON, UH, TO THE ITEM NUMBER 14.
THAT IS TO ACCEPT THE AUDITOR'S MONTHLY REPORT.
DID YOU MISS 13? DID I MISS 13? YES.
UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF COLTON COUNTY FRAUD POLICY AS AN ADDITION.
TOLTON COUNTY PERSONNEL COUNTY HAS NEVER HAD A FRAUD POLICY AND, UH, SEMINAR I LEARNED THAT I NEEDED TO GET ONE DONE.
I HAVE PUT THIS BEFORE LEGAL COUNSEL.
THEY HAVE REVIEWED IT AND GAVE ME THEIR APPROVAL AND I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
AND THIS WOULD BE PLACED IN THE PERSONNEL NAME.
AND, UH, MS. UH, HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR MS. LAURIE HAS UH, AGREED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL EMPLOYEES GET A COPY OF THIS.
THIS FALL YOU RUN IT BY THE LEGAL AND THEIR YES, MR. JOHN AND, UH, CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY WILEY HAS REVIEWED IT.
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ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? JOHN, YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? NO, I I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, PRETTY WELL DRAFTED.THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THERE WHERE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE PLACE WOULD BE TREATED THE SAME, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE CAN TAKE DISCIPLINARY ACTION.
BUT IF, IF A FRAUD MATTER ARISES TO A, A CRIMINAL THAT THAT PROSECUTED, INVESTIGATE.
OTHERWISE WE KIND HAVE TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE.
BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD ONE ONLY FOR SHOW OF TRANSPARENCY PROCESS IN PLACE THAT PLACE KNOW THEY SUSPECT FRAUD SUSPECT BEFORE PROCEED BE PROTECTED.
IS THERE A, I DIDN'T SEE A, UH, PARAGRAPH REFERRING TO, UH, WORK'S COMP FRAUD, WHICH IS PROBABLY A BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST.
UM, FOR OUR PROBABLY THE MOST CAUSE IS, IS THAT NOT ALL I HAVE DO IS REPORT NOT TO BE A, I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING ADDRESSED IN THAT.
WOULD WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD HANDLE ALSO? OR WOULD THAT BE A HR THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THE FRAUD POLICY IS FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE TO REPORT IT TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR.
THE COUNTY AUDITOR EITHER OPENS AN INVESTIGATION OR THEY TURN IT OVER TO LEGAL COUNSEL, UH, WOULD BE MR. LONG AND JUDGE WILEY AND POSSIBLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, WHEN YOU, YOU DO ANYTHING THAT'S UNAUTHORIZED AND NOT FOLLOWING THE, YOUR POLICY, FALSING TIME SHEETS, PAYROLL RECORDS, UH, ALTERATION, MISAPPROPRIATION OF CHECKS, DRAFT SECURITIES AND COUNTY ASSETS.
YEAH, THAT'S, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON.
AND IF YOU ARE FALSIFYING YOUR HOURS NOT WORK AND YOU ARE GETTING WORKER'S COMP, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE FRAUD INVESTIGATION.
JOHN, WOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE PARAGRAPH THAN THE'S COMP TRIAL SINCE IT'S A DIFFERENT THAN, UH, FALSIFYING A TIME SHEET OR SOMETHING? UM, ARE YOU SUGGEST, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IT BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY OR JUST BE NOTED? IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY? I WOULD THINK.
UM, WELL IT'S IS IS YOUR POINT, KAREN, THAT FRAUD IS FRAUD AND AND THAT'S JUST A, THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
ANYBODY THAT IS STEALING FROM THE COUNTY AND THAT IS THEFT WOULD BE CONSIDERED FRAUD TO BE INVESTIGATED.
MS. FLOYD, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY IN THE EXISTING PERSONNEL MANUAL? WE HAVE ANY REFERENCE TO THAT? WORKERS' COMP FRAUD? UH, NO, I DON'T THINK IT ADDRESSES IT.
UM, I DO KNOW MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST WITH THE WORKERS' COMP IS THAT THE COMPANY WE USE J COMPANIES FOR WORKERS' COMP, THEY DO HAVE A FRAUD INVESTIGATION UNIT THAT I HAVE HAD THE WORK WITH THAT I'VE TURNED STUFF OVER TO.
BUT I DUNNO IF THAT, IF THEY, WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THAT DIFFERENTLY ON OUR END OR I'M NOT SURE.
THAT MIGHT BE, UH, I WOULD THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE POLICY, BUT WE COULD NOTE IN THE POLICY THAT THIS ALSO INCLUDES POSSIBLE CLAIMS WORKERS' COMPENSATION.
JUST ADDING LINE TO, TO MY DRAFT.
'CAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE IF A WORKERS' COMP CLAIM CAME IN, YOU REPORT IT TO LAURIE, YOU JUST KIND OF PURSUING YOURSELF CARE ALL THE WORKERS' COMP.
YEAH, YOU SEE ALL THESE HIDDEN CAMERA WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CUTTING WOOD AND THEY'RE DRAWING, I MEAN, I MEAN DRAWING WORKERS' COMP, YOU KNOW, BACK INJURY.
MAYBE IF WE COULD ADD A SENTENCE TO THIS COST, WELL UNDER, UNDER DEFINITION OF FRAUD, YOU KNOW, THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT.
WHETHER IT'S, I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT COVERS ANY, ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND UH, WORKER'S COMP IS, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO, TO THE ALTER AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, WELL SO AND SO'S GOT A SUPPOSED TO GOT A BROKEN NECK OR GOT A BRACE ON HIS NECK, I SAW HIM OUT THERE MOWING A YARD OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT CONSTITUTES FRAUD UNDER THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD INVESTIGATE OR YEAH, I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO WEAR, UH, STILL TO SHOES AND A WHITE HAT AND GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE AND LOOK AT THE ROADS.
EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, I DO THAT AND I BELIEVE OUR INSURANCE COMPANY WILL.
YEAH, THEY WOULD CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
Y'ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE REASON I'M DOING THIS IS TO PROTECT
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THE COUNTY.AND THAT'S WHAT MY JOB AND RESPONSIBILITY IS.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
AND YOU'VE RECEIVED THIS AS A SAMPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES.
I DREW FROM THE NUTS SOME OTHER COUNTIES AND RE REWROTE IT AND SENT IT TO, UH, POWERS THAT BE AND, UH, MADE THE CHANGE THAT MR. LONG SAID BECAUSE THE COUNTY AUDITOR HAS A LOT OF AUTHORITY, BUT THE COUNTY AUDITOR CANNOT FIRE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
BUT I CAN COME TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND MAKE A REPUBLIC REPORT TO THAT COURT AND THEN YOU AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
THE COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE YOUR, YOUR POSITION WAS JUST SOME STATEMENT IN HERE ABOUT THE WORKERS' COMP, UH, ISSUE.
I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT WARRANT A, JUST A SENTENCE, SPECIFIC PARAGRAPH OR SHORT PARAGRAPH.
I WAS DEALING, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? AS LONG AS THE ASKED THE, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL TO ADD THAT TO THE, I'LL ADD IT AND SEND IT TO HIM FOR HIS REVIEW.
I JUST NEVER, UH, REALIZED IT WAS AUDITORS RESPONSIBILITY TO BEING THE POLICING FORCE.
WE'VE GOT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW THIS IN THE PAST, HASNT CRIMINAL MATTERS BEEN BROUGHT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR THE DA'S OFFICE? SOMETIMES THEY ARE AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT.
YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH AN EXPERIENCE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH A TAX OFFICE EMPLOYEE AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE EXACTLY THAT STARTED, BUT THE AUDITOR, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS AN AUDITOR DOES, IS LOOK FOR INSTANCE THE FRAUD.
AND I THINK UNDER THE LAW YOU HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO DO THAT BASED ON THE TRAINING.
TYING IN SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER MANNING HAD STATED, THE DEFINITION OF FRAUD THAT THAT'S PROVIDED FOR HERE IS WIDER THAN BOTH THE, THE CIVIL DEFINITION OR THE CRIMINAL DEFINITION FRAUD, WHICH IS I THINK ON PURPOSE BECAUSE IT, IT'S, WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE ANYONE FROM COMING FORWARD AND SAY, WELL I DUNNO IF IT'S CRIME, BUT THIS HAPPENS.
SO IT ALMOST IS ANY SORT REGULARITIES.
SO YOU SAID THAT ABOUT SHE, SHE HAS BEEN CRIMINAL AUTHORITY, I ASSUME THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NUMBERS, SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE? YEAH.
IN FACT, IF SHE WERE TO BE AWARE OF SOME FRAUD OR ANY AUDITOR, BE AWARE OF SOME FRAUD AND NOT REPORT TO THE PROPERTY AUTHORITIES, THEN SHE WOULD BE NEGLIGENT ANYBODY HER JOB.
SHE WOULD BE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I I I, I THINK BACK TO YOUR POINT THAT I THINK SHE HAS, NOT BRINGING THIS TO CHANGE HER JOB DESCRIPTION, BUT REALLY TO INFORM THE EMPLOYEES THAT THERE'S, I IMAGINE THAT'S THE PLACE THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY THERE.
THEY CAN CERTAIN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ANYWAY AND THAT THERE IS A SAFE WAY FOR THEM TO DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING RETALIATION OR SOMEBODY BEING, THEY'LL BE PROTECTED.
OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACT ON ITEM NUMBER.
WE ACCEPT THIS POLICY WITH THE HEAD AND THE SENTENCE, UH, THAT COMMISSIONER ZA POINTED ABOUT WORK COMP.
WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER, UH, MANNING.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK MAKES A SESSION, UH, SECOND.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AND JOHN, YOU'RE PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSA WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDED.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY, WE CAN MOVE ON.
JOHN HAD BROUGHT ANOTHER POINT ABOUT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN ADDITION TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LIK BROUGHT UP AND KEEPING IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PREVIOUS MINUTES.
CAN WE SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, PENDING CHANGES ADDRESSED BY THE
OH, THAT'S WHAT I, I I JUST, I HEARD YOU SAY WE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
THIS IS PERSONNEL ACTIONS SAYS COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND LEGAL COUNSEL WILL DISCUSS AND DECIDE ON THE COURSE OF ACTION WITH REGARDS TO ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS.
THE SECOND PARAGRAPH SAYS, COUNTY AUDITOR, LEGAL COUNSEL AND HUMAN RESOURCES WILL DISCUSS AND DECIDE ON THE COURSE OF ACTION WITH REGARDS TO ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES.
BUT WELL, I JUST LIKE, I WOULD IN AND OUT AND I HEARD HIM SAY WE NEEDED TO CHANGE THIS AND THEN JIMMY SAID WE NEED TO ADD THIS.
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AND THAT'S WHEN I SAID HE ONLY WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE ONE.I'M LIKE, YEAH, WE CHANGED IT THOUGH.
IT DRAWING POPPED THAT FOR ME AND WE CHANGED IT.
SHE JUST COMMENTED TO OUR TEAM TO MAKE SURE WE CHANGE ALL.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS TO, UH, CONSIDER AND ACCEPT, ACCEPT THE AUGUST REPORT YOU TAKE.
THIS IS AS OF NOVEMBER 30TH, GENERAL FUND REVENUES.
WE HAVE BROUGHT IN, UH, 2.7 MILLION IN UNDER THE GENERAL EXPENDITURES.
SO WE'RE STILL, WE'RE GOT, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME TAX MONEY, BUT IT'S STILL STILL COMING IN AND IN THAT REGARD, I CHECKED WITH, UH, MS. RATCLIFF, THE TAX ACCESSOR COLLECTOR.
SHE SAID ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UH, COMPANIES THAT HOLDS OUT FOR MORTGAGE ESCROW NORMALLY PAYS IN NOVEMBER AND THIS HUGE AMOUNT.
AND NORMALLY IT'S LIKE SIX SEVEN, NOT, ALRIGHT, THE NEXT REPORT I'M GIVING YOU IS AN UPDATE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH AT THE CLOSE OF THE YEAR, IF YOU WILL.
UH, LOOK, DOING ALL THE, UH, BUDGET TRANSFERS AND INDUCTIONS, UH, WILL HELP OUR BUDGET LOOK A LOT BETTER.
AND THE ENDING, WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN 33,000,400 $6,377 IN, UH, THE GENERAL FUND.
WE ONLY SPENT 32 MILLION 7 85 4 13.
SO WE'RE GONNA ADD A LITTLE OVER 600,000 TO OUR BALANCE UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IF SOMEBODY'S HOLDING, THEY'RE HAVING PROXY.
I MEANT THEY COME OUT 20 LET'S, THAT Y'ALL HAD TO ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ONCE I GOT THOSE, THOSE DONE.
SO I WANTED YOU TO HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON, UH, THE REPORT THAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED ON, UH, LAST YEAR AS WELL AS CURRENT YEAR BUDGET UPDATE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT COMMISSIONER SHANE MOVES TO ACCEPT THE AUDITORS REPORT.
HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OPPOSED 15 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER LIE ITEM TRANSFER.
YOU PROBABLY GOT THESE IN YOUR EMAIL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE? UH, TRANSFERS? THEY'RE VERY KIND OF MINUTE THAT SMALL.
THE ONLY BIG ONE IS REALLY, UH, ON THE ROAD ON CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT.
WE PUT THE MONEY IN FOR THE MAIN BANK CONTRACT AND UH, THEN THE CHECK THAT COMMISSIONER, UH, SHANE RECEIVED 60,000, UH, WHEN HE CALLED ME, I TOLD HIM TO TAKE IT AND RECEIPT IT WITH THE COUNTY TREASURER AND I DO A LINE ITEM TRANSFER TO INCREASE HIS ROAD MATERIAL, UH, SO THAT WHEN HE GETS READY HE ITEM, SO HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT MONEY THIS YEAR.
BECAUSE IN THE PAST WHEN I BROUGHT MONEY, LIKE FROM THE SEEDS, UM, I, IF I'M CORRECT, YOU STATED THAT IT WOULD GO INTO MY, UM, BEGINNING FUND BALANCE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
NO, WE PUT IT IN YOUR REVENUE AND WE PUT IT IN YOUR EXPENDITURES AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T SPEND ROLLED OVER TO YOUR ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE THAT YOU BROUGHT OVER TO HELP SPEND THIS YEAR.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT KW EXPLAINED IT TO ME.
THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD KWS EXPLANATION IS THAT I DID NOT HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE TO SPEND THIS YEAR.
IT WOULD GO INTO THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
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THAT YEAH, IT, IT DOES.WHEN WE CLOSE THE BOOKS FOR LAST YEAR WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT MONEY IN.
NO, I, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
IF I DON'T SPEND IT, IT ROLLS OVER.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY QUESTION TO HIM WAS, COULD I ACCESS THAT MONEY? SAME HERE THAT I GAVE OR THEY GAVE US THE CHECK AND DEPOSITED IT BACK.
YEAH, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO.
MAYBE MISUNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION.
SO THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT THAT BUDGET IN, IN THERE, IS TO INCREASE HIS ROAD REPAIR REIMBURSEMENT BY THE 60 AND INCREASE HIS ROAD MATERIALS BY THE 67.
THIS THE THOUSAND 15, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN HE RECEIVED IT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER? I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMISSIONER CLARK.
OPPOSED? I'M NUMBER 15 IS TO DISCUSS, I'M SORRY, I'M NUMBER 16 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, CLAIMS FOR, UH, YOUR CLAIMS PER PAYMENT ARE $622,353 AND 18 CENTS.
DO YOU KNOW ME IN THIS TIME? NO, MA I CAN'T.
YOU REMEMBER HOW MUCH IT WAS? TWO WONDER.
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BUT HE REALLY THOUGHT HE WAS IN, UM, YES AND I UNDER EMERGENCY.THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, OUR SYSTEM FOR GEORGE'S SYSTEM FOR GEORGE.
HE ALWAYS WINDS UP SAYING, UH, SUSAN WOOD THINK THINKS SECOND PART RIGHT THERE IS THE ID LICENSE.
AND THIS ONE IS, I JUST, I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE.
OH, THAT, THAT'S, UH,
YEAH, HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT 25, 30 YEARS.
OH, I JUST NEVER SEEN THAT CHANGE NAME COMPANY.
OH, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT LOOKED FUNNY.
SHE, YEAH, IT'S COMING AROUND.
WHAT WAS IT DOING THAT DAY? YEAH, THAT STARTED LIKE TWO HOURS AGO.
BUT MUST HAVE BEEN A LOT OF UPDATES.
WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING WE CAN'T EVEN, WE HAVE, OH, THAT WAS OUR,
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I AND I JUST ASKED, I DIDN'T DO ANY ANALYTICS ON IT, BUT 40,000.I KNOW DEBBIE SAID THE X MARKS AND I THOUGHT TO THOSE, THOSE ON PRECINCT SHOULD, THAT'S ALL.
WE'LL HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE BILLS AS, UH, RECORDED.
SO A MOTION FROM MANNING AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.