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THIS, OF COURSE, WILL BE OUR LAST, UH, MEETING OF THE YEAR.
UH, WE WILL DISPENSE THIS MORNING WITH THE REGULAR OPENING, UH, UH, TIME THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE AND MOVE RIGHT INTO A WORKSHOP, UH, THAT WE'VE SCHEDULED BEFORE WE ACTUALLY BEGIN OUR MEETING.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE WORKSHOP WOULD BE TO DISCUSS, UH, ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR ON THIS AGENDA.
UH, COMMISSIONER LIK HAD ASKED THAT, UH, WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UH, TO BE HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME COMMISSIONER CLARK AS HE WALKS IN WITHOUT ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PARTY SLIP HERE IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO, UH, CHRISTIE WILLIAMS, I BELIEVE, IS HERE WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
CHRISTIE, IF YOU'LL COME UP, UH, CHRISTIE HAS, UH, WORKS WITH THE 9 1 1 REGIONAL, UH, CONSORTIUM THAT IS, UH, UH, HEADQUARTERED AT THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENT.
MAYBE CHRISTIAN, YOU CAN SIT THERE ON THE, ON THE END.
AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROSA UH, HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL FUNDING ABOUT HOW THE 9 1 1 NETWORK, UH, IS, OPERATES THE FUNDING FOR THAT AND HOW THAT WILL AFFECT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN COMAN COUNTY.
I'LL GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN ALLOW YOU GUYS TO ASK QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A REGIONAL 1 0 1 SYSTEM HERE IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY.
WE'RE PART OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COG REGIONAL SYSTEM.
WE HAVE 14 COUNTIES IN OUR PROGRAM IN 45 PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINTS.
YOU HAVE AN ANSWERING POINT AT THE COUNTY, AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AT THE CITY, AT TERRELL, AND IN FORNEY.
WE HAVE WORKED IN THIS 9 1 1 SYSTEM SINCE OUR FRUITION BACK IN 1989 WHEN WE STARTED COLLECTING FUNDS FROM THE CITIZENS IN HOFFMAN COUNTY.
YOUR CITIZENS PAY 50 CENTS A MONTH ON THEIR PHONE BILLS AND 50 CENTS A MONTH ON THEIR WIRELESS BILLS.
TODAY, THE STATE OF TEXAS OPERATES WITH THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF 9 1 1 ENTITIES.
WE HAVE THE DISTRICTS AND THE MUNICIPAL DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE SOME CITIES, AND THESE WERE THE FIRST LARGER AREAS IN THE STATE THAT SAID, HEY, WE WANT 9 1 1.
AND LEGISLATION WAS WRITTEN SO THAT THEY HAD 9 1 1 BACK IN 1989.
THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED THAT WHILE 80% OF THE POPULATION WAS COVERED BY THE LARGE METROPOLITAN AREAS, 80% OF THE LAND PASSED WAS NOT COVERED BY 9 1 1.
SO SEPARATE LEGISLATION WAS WRITTEN THAT ALLOWED ALL OF THE COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE REST OF THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO WE ARE PART OF THAT STATE SYSTEM.
WE COVER 80% OF THE COUNTIES, 20.5% OF THE POPULATION.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 10 MILLION CALLS A YEAR, AND 89% OF OUR CALLS CURRENTLY COME FROM WIRELESS PHONES.
IT KEEPS INCHING UP THERE PRETTY, PRETTY HIGH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES US UNIQUE WITH OUR LEGISLATION IS THAT WE GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATIONS PROCESS AND OUR ACCOUNT IS CALLED A GENERAL REVENUE DEDICATED FUNDING ACCOUNT.
SO THE CITIZENS PAY IN THEIR 50 CENTS, THEY GO TO THE PHONE COMPANY, THE PHONE COMPANY TAKES A 2% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, AND THEN THEY REMIT THE REST OF THE FUNDS TO THE STATE
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COMPTROLLER.THEN EACH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, EVERY OTHER YEAR, THE LEGISLATURE APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATES, WHAT THEY DEEM NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF 9 1 1 CENTERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OR THE STATE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE IN PAST YEARS NOT PROVIDED ALL OF THE CITIZENS FUNDING BACK TO THE OPERATION OF THE NINE ONE CENTERS.
AND SO BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS IN OUR STATE PROGRAM, WILL BE AUGUST 31ST, THEY ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE OVER $170 MILLION IN THAT GENERAL REVENUE DEDICATED ACCOUNT THAT THE STATE HOLDS BASED ON THAT, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND CERTAINLY ACROSS TEXAS, WE ARE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT NEXT GENERATION 9 1 1, WHICH TAKES US AWAY FROM OUR 1968 ANALOG INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS STILL IN PLACE TODAY AND ALLOWS FOR A DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT WE HAVE CAPABILITIES FOR MULTIMEDIA.
THIS IS WHAT IS ALLOWING US TO DO TEXT TO 9 1 1.
YOU DO HAVE TEXT TO 9 1 1 WITH ALL FOUR CARRIERS HERE IN THE COUNTY.
IT ALLOWS FOR SEVERAL ADVANCEMENTS IN THE FUTURE WITH INFORMATION, DATA, UM, VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO NET COG HAS BEEN VERY PROACTIVE IN THAT AND BEGAN OUR JOURNEY TO NEXT GENERATION 9 1 1 BACK IN 2008 WITH A NEW DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO USE PART OF THE LEGACY SYSTEM.
SO WE HAVE A HYBRID SYSTEM TODAY.
THE STATE PROGRAM IS FURTHER BEHIND AND THEY'RE JUST STARTING TO PLAN THEIR NEXT GENERATION SYSTEM.
THEY STARTED THIS YEAR WITH SOME FUNDING FOR CONNECTIVITY AND SOME FIBER, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY FAR BEHIND.
AND SO THE COMBINATION OF NOT GETTING ALL OF OUR FUNDS AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT WE ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF THE STATE PROGRAM AND THEY'RE BEGINNING TO HOLD US BACK FROM THE PROGRESS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE FOR THE CITIZENS IN OUR REGION.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF REGIONAL COUNCIL'S TARP TO SEEK LEGISLATION IN THIS SESSION TO PULL OUT OF THE STATE SYSTEM AND BECOME A REGIONAL 9 1 1 DISTRICT CAPITAL AREA.
COG IN AUSTIN DID THIS IN THE LAST SESSION, AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THEY PULLED OUT OF THE STATE SYSTEM.
SO NOW WE HAVE 23 REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSIONS OR COGS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND 52 DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS COUNTYWIDE DISTRICTS WITH THEIR SUCCESS AND IN SPEAKING TO THEM AND HOW WELL THE PROGRAM IS WORKING, WE HOPE TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO THE SAME THING IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
SO THEY, THE CENTRAL TEXAS CO GOING IN THE AUSTIN AREA, THEY WOULD BE RECEIVING ALL OF THEIR FUNDS.
THEY TODAY RECEIVE 100% OF THEIR FUNDS, WHEREAS OUR FUNDS HAVE BEEN GO THROUGH THE CREATION PROCESS TO HELP BALANCE THEIR BUDGET.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY RECEIVE THEIR FUNDING MONTHLY, WHEREAS WE RECEIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT UPFRONT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TWO YEARS.
AND THEN THERE ARE MATRIX FOR US TO GET WHAT IS APPROPRIATED, BUT NOT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
AND THAT SUMS UP THE, THE WAY 9 1 1 IS ORGANIZED IN TEXAS AND WHAT OUR HOPES AND AND PLANS ARE FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION TO YOU, AND I'VE MENTIONED TO THE JUDGE THAT EACH BIENNIUM OUR BUDGET, WE ARE APPROPRIATED DOLLARS JUST FOR THE BIENNIUM FOR TWO YEARS AT THE END OF EACH TWO YEAR CYCLE.
IF WE, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THAT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH ENDS AUGUST 31ST, THEN WE LOOK TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY AVAILABLE FUNDS LEFT.
IF WE DO, WE SEND OUT A MEMO TO EACH OF OUR 45 PSAPS AND ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE ANY ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, WHICH WE CSEC HAS DEFINED.
AND THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE TRAINING AND PSAP ROOM PREP AND SOME THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE THINGS, WE ALLOW YOU TO SUBMIT THOSE DURING THAT LAST QUARTER.
AND WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE REIMBURSE WHAT WE CAN BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME FUNDING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO PROBABLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER WE'LL ASK YOU GUYS TO PRESENT TO US ANY INVOICES THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE EXPENSES WITH CSEC
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SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING SOME REIMBURSEMENTS FOR YOU IN YOUR CONSOLIDATION EFFORTS.WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR EFFORTS TO INCREASE 9 1 1 SERVICES IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY.
AND WE KNOW WE'VE SEEN THAT CONSOLIDATED CENTERS OFTEN DO THAT, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HELP YOU IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
SO WHAT KIND OF FUNDS DO YOU SEE AVAILABLE FOR US THIS SUMMER? IF THERE'S ANY AT ALL? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF MONIES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I I, I CAN PULL A HISTORY OF THE LAST TWO BIENNIUMS WHEN WE'VE HAD MONEY.
IT VARIES ANYWHERE FROM 20,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE'VE HAD AVAILABLE.
AND HOW MUCH HAS KAMAN COUNTY RECEIVED OVER THESE PERIODS OF YEARS? FROM 89 THROUGH NOW, I, WHEN THE JUDGE CALLED ME LAST WEEK, OUR FINANCE PERSON IS OFF FOR THE HOLIDAY, SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO BRING THAT TO THE MEETING TODAY.
BUT I WILL PULL WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
I THINK THE FIRST TIME WE DID THIS IN 2009, EVERYBODY THAT SUBMITTED GOT SOMETHING.
UM, IN 2011, WE HAD VERY LITTLE MONEY IN 2013.
EVERYBODY GOT SOMETHING, BUT EVERYBODY DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO RECORD OF HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN COLLECTED FROM OUR CITIZENS OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY.
AND DO WE HAVE A RECORD OF HOW MUCH MONEY HAS GONE TO OUR PIPS? WELL, ALL OF THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED, WE DO HAVE, WE CAN GET COMPTROLLERS FIGURES ON THAT AS FAR AS DISPERSED.
UM, IT'S REGIONALLY TO THE COG.
LEMME PULL OUT OTHER THING FROM LAST YEAR.
I CAN SHOW YOU, ACTUALLY, I'LL PASS THESE UP.
AND FOR OUR LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY DID A CHART THAT SHOWED HOW MUCH MONEY WAS COLLECTED STATEWIDE AND THEN HOW MUCH WAS REMITTED SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE GAPS.
WELL, APPARENTLY THERE'S 170 MILLION GAP STATEWIDE OVER SEV OVER SEVERAL BY ANY OF, OKAY.
SO THAT'S ACCUMULATED IN SINCE 89, SINCE IT WAS NO, ACTUALLY IN 18, IN 1989, WE WERE STILL COLLECTING OUR MONEY LOCALLY.
WHEN DID, WHEN DID THAT CHANGE? THAT CHANGED, I BELIEVE IN, LET'S SEE, 1999 TO 2000 ARROW, WHATEVER THAT
SO UNTIL THEN WE WERE LIKE THE COUNTYWIDE DISTRICTS.
EVERYTHING WE GOT OUR CITIZENS PAID, EVERYTHING WE HAD.
AS IT IS NOW, IT GOES TO THE STATE AND THE 100 770 MILLION HAS NOT COME BACK.
WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER FOR US TO HAVE BEEN A DISTRICT, LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER, OTHER ENTITIES ARE THEIR OWN DISTRICT, THEY GET THEIR MONEY BACK CLEARLY, YES.
DO YOU KNOW, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR US TO PULL OUT OF COG AND BECOME OUR OWN DISTRICT? OR IS THAT EVEN A PULL OUT POSSIBILITY? A COG OR TO PULL OUT OF THE STATE SYSTEM? WELL, THAT'S, THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME, RIGHT? WELL, NO, THERE'S NOT BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME RULES APPARENTLY.
AND TO PULL OUT OF THE STATE SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO HAVE NEW LEGISLATION INTRODUCED.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON FOR THIS SESSION TO INTRODUCE.
AND, AND THERE'S A, A DRAFT OF THE LEGISLATION AND THEY USED FOR THE CAP COG LEGISLATION FROM LAST SESSION AS A STARTING POINT.
AND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE INTRODUCED AND PASSED IN THIS LEGISLATION.
DO Y'ALL HAVE A LEGISLATION READY TO INTRODUCE? YES, SIR.
UM, I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, ONCE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, IF COG IS ABLE TO TO PULL OUT, DO YOU FORESEE US GETTING ANY OF THAT MONEY BACK THAT THEY'RE HOLDING FOR US, THAT OUR PORTION OF THE HUNDRED 70 MILLION? SO THERE WAS A, IS THAT GONNA BE IN, IN OUR LEGISLATION? THERE WAS AN INTERIM STUDY DONE PRIOR TO THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR ALL OF THE GENERAL REVENUE DEDICATED FUNDING.
AND THERE WAS, THERE WERE SEVERAL LEGISLATORS THAT FELT STRONGLY THAT THOSE BALANCES NEEDED TO WHITTLE DOWN AND BE GIVEN BACK TO THE PROGRAMS FOR WHICH THEY WERE INTENDED.
SO WE ARE HOPING THAT LITTLE BY LITTLE THEY'LL TRY TO APPROPRIATE SOME OF THAT BACK TO US.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY THAT'S NOTATION.
SO MORE THAN LIKELY THAT MONEY WILL NEVER RETURN.
WELL, THAT ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING THAT TART CONSIDERED A BARGAINING CHIP, THAT IF WE COULD GET OUT AND START GETTING ALL OF OUR MONEY, THAT WE WOULD QUICKLY MAKE THAT UP.
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BE MORE WILLING TO LET US OUT IF INDEED WE DIDN'T TAKE FROM THEIR GENERAL REVENUE.DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, ANY DATA AS HOW MUCH MONEY HAS GONE TO OUR FOUR PSAPS IN THE COUNTY IN THE LAST ANY AMOUNT OF YEARS? LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS? WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT.
WE, WE DON'T, NO MONEY GOES DIRECTLY TO THE PSAPS.
WE PAY FOR ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE BILLS.
UP, UP TO WHAT, WHAT POINT DOES THAT MONEY PAY FOR? IT DOES NOT PAY FOR PERSONNEL, BUT IT PAYS FOR ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY, THE DATABASE, THE PUBLIC EDUCATION, THE TRAINING, THE NETWORK, THE PHYSICAL EQUIPMENT.
SO IT, IT WOULD PAY FOR POTENTIALLY, UH, CONSOLES THAT WERE DISPATCH CONSOLES, OUR COMPUTERS DISPATCH CONSOLES THAT LINK THOSE TO THE PHONE LINES.
DISPATCH CONSOLES ARE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES.
WHAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TODAY WITH OUR LEGISLATION AND ARE THINGS LIKE CAD AND RADIO BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATION ENDS AT THE DELIVERY OF THE 9 1 1 CALL.
SO ANYTHING FOR DISPATCH IS NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER DE TODAY'S LEGISLATION TO THAT POINT WHERE IT APPEARS ON THE DISPATCH SCREEN, THAT IS SOMETHING NOTHING BEYOND THAT.
BUT UP TO THE, UP TO THE RECEIPT.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
WE CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, EVEN IF WE BECAME A DISTRICT TO PAY FOR EVERYBODY'S RADIO AND CADS, BUT TO MAKE THAT AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOME KIND OF MATRIX TO GET SOME MONEY COMING BACK.
BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, IT WOULD PAY FOR THE EQUIPMENT IN THE DISPATCH CENTER, THE, UH, ANTENNAS, DISPATCH CONSOLES, NO ANTENNAS, THAT'S ALL CONSIDERED RADIO UNITS.
THAT WOULD BE BEYOND THAT POINT.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE DISPATCH CONSOLES, THE 9 1 1 EQUIPMENT, THE NETWORK.
BATTERY BACKUPS FOR THAT MM-HMM
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO GET ANY MONEY FROM COBB TO PAY FOR OUR NEW DISPATCH EQUIPMENT IN OUR NEW CENTER.
WELL, WE WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF MO YOU HAVE ALL THE 9 1 1 NETWORK AND EQUIPMENT IN PLACE TODAY, AND WE'LL PAY TO MOVE ALL OF THAT AND CONSOLIDATE IT INTO THE ONE
BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MOVING IT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW EQUIPMENT AT THIS POINT.
WELL, THEIR EQUIPMENT, IT'S OUR EQUIPMENT, NOT, IT'S NOT OUR EQUIPMENT, IT'S THE EQUIPMENT THEY PUT US TO GET THE 9 1 1 CALLS TO OUR PSAP.
WHERE IS THAT EQUIPMENT LOCATED? AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT EL PSAP? YES.
AND RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS HAVE STATE OF THE ART EQUIPMENT.
SO WE WOULD MOVE THAT AND THEN WHEN WE DO OUR NEXT EQUIPMENT UPGRADE, THEN WE WOULD GET THE NEW EQUIPMENT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE MEET ALL FEDERAL STATE MANDATES AS FAR AS RADIO EQUIPMENT FREQUENCY SPEAK TO RADIO.
LEMME BACK UP FREQUENCIES OR WHATEVER BAND WE'RE OPERATING.
THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS TODAY.
SO WHEN THE TAR, UH, AND THE COG GO TOGETHER AND TRY TO GET REMOVED FROM THE STATE SYSTEM, UH, IF, IF LEG, IF NEW LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN, WHERE THAT DOES HAPPEN, IS THAT FUNDING IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE TO START? THEY SAY IT WILL JUST TO START COMING IN.
THEY TOLD US WITH CAPCO IT TOOK 90 DAYS FOR THE TELEPHONE COMPANIES TO MAKE THE CHANGES FROM GOING TO THE COMPTROLLER TO THE AGENCY.
SO, SO IF THAT HAPPENS, IF THE LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN, AND, AND THAT DOES HAPPEN ACCORDING TO THIS FIGURE RIGHT HERE, IT'S 230 MILLION AT THE END OF, OF, UH, 15 INSTEAD OF 170, IT'S $230 MILLION OF SITTING DOWN THERE.
THAT STATE IS USING TO BALANCE EVERYBODY.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH CHANCE OF US, OF OF THE, UH, UH, COMBINATION OF TARC AND CO GETTING A MAJOR PORTION OF THAT GET, GETTING OUR MONEY BACK.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE STATE'S GOING TO SIT ON IT.
I, I I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET IT BACK EVERY LEGISLATIVE SESSION SINCE THEY'VE BEEN TAKING IT AND WE'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL UP TO THIS POINT.
HOWEVER, WE ARE SEEING A LITTLE MORE TRACTION NOW THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE, UM, THOSE DEDICATED FUNDS.
SO AS YOU POINTED OUT LAST, BY ANY END, THE BALANCE WAS OVER 200 MILLION.
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DUG INTO THAT BALANCE AND GAVE US SOME FOR THIS BIENNIUM.AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THEY ARE GONNA DO THE SAME THIS NEXT SESSION IN ORDER TO GET THAT BALANCE DOWN EACH BIENNIUM WITHOUT REALLY CAUSING OTHER QUESTIONS.
FOR, FOR CHRISTIE, I THINK YOU HAVE THE HANDOUT OF THE EXISTING 9 1 1 DISTRICT.
I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DISCOVERED AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THAT HENDERSON COUNTY, UH, EVIDENTLY VOTED BACK WHENEVER, UH, TO FARM THEIR OWN DISTRICT.
AND SO THEY HAVE THE MONEY DOES FLOW TO HENDERSON COUNTY.
BUT THAT WAS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR US AS A COUNTY TO PULL OUT OF THE COBB DISTRICT AND BECOME OUR OWN KAUFMAN COUNTY REGIONAL DISTRICT.
UM, FRISCO TRIED TO DO THAT, I THINK IN 2006 AND IT WENT THROUGH THE COURT AND THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND IT WAS DETERMINED THROUGH THE COURTS THAT THEY COULD PULL OUT, BUT THAT THE FUNDING WOULD NOT GO WITH THEM BECAUSE LEGISLATIVELY THE FUNDING IS TO GO TO THE COX WHO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM.
BUT FRISCO'S A CITY AS A COUNTY, THE COUNTY DO THAT.
WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE SAME PRECEDENT THAT THEY WOULD NOT LET YOU OUT OF THE COG SYSTEM BASED ON THE, IT WOULD TAKE A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE THROUGH THIS TIME.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, I THINK IT'D BE WORTH WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THE CONTRACT COURT IN THE FUTURE.
LOOK AT PASS RESOLUTION TO AUSTIN RECOMMENDING MONEY COME LOCALLY AS OPPOSED TO CONTRACT AUSTIN.
NOW THIS IS NOT FAIR TO, TO US AS A COP, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THEM HOLDING ALL OF OUR MONEY.
THIS, YOU KNOW, HENDERSON COUNTY'S GOT MONEY IN THE BANK.
WE'RE SITTING HERE WITH NOTHING.
AND, AND, UH, THEY BUILT THEM A NEW BUILDING.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR SITUATION UPDATED DOWN THERE.
WELL, AND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY FUND THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS SITTING ON.
IT'S ALSO ON THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT FUND, UH, WHERE THEY WOULD PROVIDE MONIES TO VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
WELL, IT'S NOT AS LARGE AS THE 9 1 1.
I THINK WE'RE NUMBER FIVE OUT OF 200 ACCOUNTS AS FAR SIZE, AND AGAIN, 200 ACCOUNTS THAT THE STATE USES.
BUT THEY USE IT TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET AND UH, THAT'S, I DUNNO WHY I REALLY, THAT TROUBLES ME GREATLY.
WHEN THEY COLLECT THE TAX, IT SHOULD GO TO FUND WHATEVER THE TAX IS COLLECTED FOR.
UH, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE IT TO OFFSET THE DEFICIT.
THAT'S SOMETHING PERHAPS WE CAN GET, UH, T AND THE COUNTY JUDGES' COMMISSIONER'S ASSOCIATION TO WORK ON.
I THINK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHERE THEY'RE IN THAT REGARD, I'M NOT SURE.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTIAN? CHRISTIAN, DO YOU MIND STICKING AROUND A LITTLE BIT? WE FORWARD CERTAINLY.
UH, OTHER, THIS IS, WE'RE STILL IN A WORKSHOP SESSION, SO, UH, ANY, UH, ONE ELSE THAT, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ADAM, UH, THREE AND FOUR BEFORE WE MOVE BACK INTO OUR REGULAR SPECIAL MEETING? THE SIGN IN SHEET IS, UH, OVER ON THE TABLE, UH, TABLE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPENING REMARKS, UH, SESSION TODAY, BUT IF THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WHEN WE GET TO THAT PART ON THE AGENDA, CERTAINLY WE, WE'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN THIS WILL BE THE TIME, UM, BEFORE WE EXIT THE WORKSHOP, UH, TO DISCUSS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY.
OR WOULD THAT BE, UM, I GUESS, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THE, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WILL BE AFFECTED, UH, BY THE, YOU KNOW, BY THE 9 1 1 CENTER.
SO SHERIFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PRO UH, ANY INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITIES TO PAY THEIR PORTION OF THE WE DO NOT TIME.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT AND GETTING THE, UH, GOVERNANCE SET UP.
WE DO HAVE ROUGH DRAFT OF THAT CORRECT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET ALL THE LEGALS TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THAT CONTRACT.
IT'S BEEN EIGHT MONTHS SINCE WE OKAY.
THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY MORE
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MONTHS IT MIGHT BE BEFORE WE GET THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS TO GET ALL THE CITIES TOGETHER? SO AT, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THE CITIES ARE GONNA PARTICIPATE IN US DISPATCHING FOR THEM FOR ANY AMOUNT.I THINK WE KAMAN AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS MADE THEIR PRESIDENTS OF SAYING THEY'RE GONNA, WE HAD NOTHING.
NO, NO INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS, NO GOVERNANCE AGREEMENTS.
WE HAVE HAD THE CITY OF TERRELL WHO IS REPRESENTED HERE TODAY BY MIKE SIMS, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S HERE FROM THE CITY OF KAUFMAN, UH, OR NOT, UH, BUT UH, UH, I MEAN, THEY'VE TOLD US MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE, THAT WE ALREADY DISPATCH FOR EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY, UH, IN THE COUNTY EXCEPT FORNEY.
UH, AND, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THORNEY HAS INDICATED THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR NEW SYSTEM.
SO MIKE, WOULD YOU REITERATE ONCE, UM, AGAIN, I'M MIKE, ASSUME I'M WITH THE CITY OF TERRELL.
UM, I GUESS I WOULD JUST GO BACK TO SOMETHING ACTUALLY THAT CHRISTIE UH, MENTIONED AS, AS I WAS LISTENING TO HER, I THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT'S A, UH, THAT'S A THEME THAT, THAT I I THINK WE SEE AS CONSISTENT, UM, WITH THE WAY, UH, UH, COG HAS APPROACHED THIS OVER COURSE OF TIME.
AND THAT IS, THERE'S A REAL SEPARATION BETWEEN CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND OPERATIONAL DECISIONS.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE, THE TWO PIECES OF THIS THAT WE, WE DON'T LIKE MIXING.
UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RADIO DECISION THAT YOU'RE MAKING TODAY, UH, ALL WE CAN SAY IS, YOU KNOW, RAH RAH, WE THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING.
WE MADE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN, UH, RADIO SYSTEM HERE RECENTLY.
UM, WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD RADIO PURCHASE FOR Y'ALL TO PURSUE.
UM, WE'RE BUILDING A BUILDING.
OUR BUILDING IS DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE A 9 1 1 FACILITY IN IT.
IT'S GONNA BE FULLY OPERATIONAL.
WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? WE'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THE, THE FIRST THING YOU DO WHEN YOU PLAN A NEW POLICE FACILITY IS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT REDUNDANCY IN THERE.
IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS, UH, EVERYBODY DOESN'T LOOK AT YOU AND SAY, HEY, WHAT MONEY DID YOU SAVE WHEN YOU BUILT THAT? THEY LOOK AT YOU AND SAY, IT'S 9 1 1 SERVICE.
DOES IT WORK TODAY? AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AND MUNICIPALITY TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT WOULD BE FULLY FUNCTIONAL FOR 9 1 1 PURPOSES.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
UH, BE FULLY ENDORSED AND UH, UH, CHEER LEAD FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO MAKE THE SAME SORT OF DECISION WITH YOUR, UH, EMERGENCY FACILITIES SO THAT THE CAPITAL IS ALL THERE.
UH, IF I SWITCH THEN AND I SAY, OKAY, RADIOS BUILDINGS, LET'S HAVE REDUNDANCY.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS IN KAUFMAN, UH, IF GOD FORBID A TORNADO OR SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED DOWN HERE, YOU'D BE ABLE TO MOVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING UP TO FORNEY OR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING UP TO TERRELL.
IF WE HAD SOMETHING BAD ON, UH, THE UNION PACIFIC RAIL LINE, EVERYTHING PEOPLE, UH, DISCOUNT THE FACT THAT ONE BAD UNION PACIFIC DERAILMENT, UH, UP IN THE FOUR E TERRELL AREA COULD KNOCK OUT A VERY SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF WHAT, 9 1 9 1 1 RESOURCES.
AND SO WE WANT YOU GUYS, UH, TO HAVE A FULL SLATE OF RESOURCES IN KAUFMAN, DESPERATELY NEED YOU TO HAVE THE FULL SLATE OF RESOURCES IN KAUFMAN.
WE NEED THE FACILITIES TO BE RIGHT.
WE NEED THE RADIO SYSTEM TO BE RIGHT.
SO THOSE ARE ALL SORT OF THINGS THAT ARE CAPITAL SIDE ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE.
THAT'S WHERE THESE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS COME IN.
UH, AND AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT WE ARE, UH, ALSO HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS, JUST THE DAY-TO-DAY PERSONNEL NEEDS ASSOCIATED WITH OPERATING A 9 1 1 CENTER.
I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE INDUSTRY IN THE 9 1 1 WORLD RECOGNIZES THAT THE SIZE OF A 9 1 1 CENTER THAT, UH, WE HAVE IS A BAD, UH, SIZE FROM AN ECONOMY IS A SCALE STANDPOINT.
IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER FOR US AS A CITY TO JOIN IN WITH A COUNTY 9 1 1 SYSTEM AND HAVE THOSE OPERATIONAL, UH, BENEFITS.
UM, IT'D BE MUCH BETTER TO HAVE, UH, HERE'S A SUPERVISOR, HERE'S A FLEET OF STAFF.
SOMEBODY NEEDS A 9 1 1 OPERATOR IS SICK.
HOW DO I GET A REPLACEMENT FOR IT? IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THE SIZE OF STAFF WE HAVE TO FILL IN ILLNESS, VACANCIES, UM, YOU KNOW, MATERNITY LEAVE VACANCIES, ALL OF THE VACANCIES THAT HAPPEN WITH 9 1 1 OPERATORS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KEEP THOSE FILLED WITH THE SIZE OF STAFF WE HAVE.
SO WE LOOK AT THE 9 1 1 OPPORTUNITY, UH, ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE WITH THE COUNTY AND SAY, GREAT, WE REALLY HOPE THIS IS ABLE TO HAPPEN, UH, BECAUSE WE JUST THINK IT'S A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO RUN ONE RUN YOUR 9 1 1 CENTER LONG TERM.
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AGAIN, FOR US, TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS.WE HOPE YOU MAKE A BIG INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL EQUIPMENT.
WE KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT FROM A LIMITED STANDPOINT, BUT WE HOPE THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD.
UH, AND ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE WITH PERSONNEL, UM, WE THINK THAT'S A DECISION THAT'S GONNA GET IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UH, AND FINALIZE AND UP.
UH, WE CAN'T MAKE COMMITMENTS RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE DETAILS OF THAT BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF DETAILS TO GET THROUGH THAT.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE JUST TWO SEPARATE WORLDS FOR US.
SO YOU'VE TALKED IN THE COMPLETE CIRCLE.
SO YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD YOUR OWN BUILDING ABSOLUTELY.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA PARTICIPATE WITH US.
ALSO, IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE OF THE CITY OF TETON BUILDING A BRAND NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND NOT MAKE A FULLY FUNCTIONAL 9 1 1 ROOM CENTER EVERYTHING IN IT.
SO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT REDUNDANCY ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS THOUGH, THE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE WILL DISPATCH FOR Y'ALL OR WE WILL NOT? WE'RE SAYING THAT WE HOPE THAT THAT AGREEMENT GETS FINALIZED.
WELL, WE'RE BACK TO A HALF CIRCLE.
SO ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DISPATCH FOR CITY OF TER, CITY OF TERRELL'S GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN, WE HOPE DISPATCH CENTER.
AND, AND WE, WE, WE UM, WE VERY MUCH HOPE THAT ALL OF THE OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS NECESSARY FOR THE COUNTY TO DISPATCH FOR THE CITY HAPPEN.
BUT THAT'S A LOT OF OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS AND THEY JUST ALL NEED TO GET SETTLED OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
THEY'RE NOT SETTLED RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S ALL THE DETAILS THAT ARE IN THE EMER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
WELL AGAIN, WE'VE HAD EIGHT MONTHS SINCE WE OKAYED HERE IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO BUILD THIS EMERGENCY OPERATION DISPATCH CENTER AND WE HAD NO AGREEMENT.
AND, AND, AND I GUESS THE ONLY UH, PLACE WHERE I'M NOT AGREEING WITH YOU IS THE ISSUE RELATED TO THESE ARE JOINT DECISIONS.
DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE VIOLATING THE WHOLE THEORY OF WHY WE MAKE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN, UH, POLICE FACILITIES.
WE'RE MAKING THOSE EMERGENCY OPERATION INVESTMENTS SO THAT THERE'LL BE THREE HUBS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE 100% CAPABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE THE REDUNDANCY THAT OUR CITIZENS EXPECT IN A MAJOR EMERGENCY.
IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE ANY DOWNTIME WITH YOUR 9 1 1 SYSTEM.
SO DO WE, WE NEED THE COUNTY TO BE FULLY UP AND OPERATIONAL IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS, AND TERRELL, YOU NEED US TO BE FULLY OPERATIONAL.
THOSE WERE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE OF IT.
WE JUST SPENT A HUNDRED, UH, $1.8 MILLION IN A NEW RADIO SYSTEM BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO.
AND IF GOD FORBID SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS WITH YOUR SYSTEM, YOU'LL HAVE SOME PIGGYBACK AVAILABLE.
WE WILL HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME CAPACITY AVAILABLE FOR YOU GUYS, UH, IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.
BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING BAD TO HAPPEN THAT, THAT $1.8 MILLION, THAT WAS ALL YOUR MOBILE UNITS, HANDHELD UNITS.
THAT WAS OUR COMPLETE NEW RADIO SYSTEM.
WE WENT A VERY FIRE DEPARTMENT, CITY PARK SYSTEM AND I, I CAN APPRECIATE REDUNDANCY.
AND DO WE NOT HAVE THAT NOW WITH OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DISPATCH CENTER? I MEAN WE WE'RE, UM, MS. WILLIAMS JUST STATED WE'RE COMPLETE IN IF THE CITY, IF THE CITY LOSES OUR 9 1 1 CENTER.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S IN A 1970 SOMETHING BUILDING, WE HAVE A BAD FOUNDATION.
SO IF I LOSE THAT CAPABILITY, UH, DUE TO, UH, I'LL USE THE UNION PACIFIC EXAMPLE AGAIN.
WE'RE REALLY, OUR 9 1 1 CENTER IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO UNION PACIFIC RAIL LINE.
IF ANYTHING BAD HAPPENS ON THAT, I'VE GOTTA GO LOOK AT YOUR SYSTEM AND SAY, RIGHT NOW, TODAY I'VE GOTTA USE IT BECAUSE WE HAD AN EMERGENCY.
IS THAT AND WE'RE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT RIGHT ON 9 1 1.
THEY FLIP A SWITCH, IT'S AS WE DO, WE'RE FLIP A SWITCH.
SO RIGHT NOW, DISPATCH, IT'S ALL INTERCONNECTED.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, ANY OTHER PARTICIPANTS HERE? I GOT ONE QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM OUR 9 1 1 MONEY FROM COG THAT IS INVESTED IN Y'ALL'S NEW PSAP? UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T BRING THAT NUMBER WITH ME.
THEY, THEY, ABSO COG HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN A GREAT PARTNER FOR US IN INVESTING IN, IN THE CITY'S 9 1 1 OPERATION.
DID THEY PAY FOR MOST OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT Y'ALL WERE ELIGIBLE FOR THEM TO PAY FOR? UH, FOR THE PORTIONS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UM, COG TYPICALLY COVERS.
SO THAT'S SORT OF ALL BEHIND THE SCENES WORK WITH THE COMPUTER SYSTEM RELATED TO THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM.
THOSE WERE COVERED BY, UH, THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS.
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THAT WAS TYPICALLY COVERED.IS THAT, DID THEY COVER EVERYTHING THAT WAS ELIGIBLE TO BE COVERED? UH, OR JUST TYPICALLY COVERED? I'M GONNA GO WITH THE WORD TYPICALLY COVERED 'CAUSE I AM UH, GONNA TELL YOU I THINK WE HAVE SOME EXPENSES THAT WERE ANCILLARY EXPENSES THAT WE DIDN'T GET COMPLETELY COVERED.
BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT COMPLAINING WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE BEEN PAYING FOR IN THE PAST YEAH.
AS COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PAYING FOR IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, DID WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FROM CITY OF FORNEY? ANY REPRESENTATIVE? I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THEY PAID FOR IN CITY OF VILLE.
YEAH, I BUT IS THERE NOT NO, GO AHEAD.
IS THERE NOT KIND OF A, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST GETTING 9 1 1 CALLS AND THEN TURN AROUND AND DISPATCHING PEOPLE OUT? THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. YOU GOT A RADIO SYSTEM AND YOU GOT A 9 1 1.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 9 1 1.
WE'RE NOT TALKING NOTHING ABOUT RADIO OR COMMUNICATIONS WITH DISPATCHING STUFF.
BUT IN OUR BUILDING IT'S ALL INTERCONNECTED.
IT'S COMING IN AND THEN WE HAVE 9 1 1 THAT COMES IN.
WE TAKE THE CALL AND THEN WE HAVE A RADIO SYSTEM SYSTEM.
THAT DOES THAT UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IN OUR NEW BUILDING, BOTH OF THOSE SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO BE IN OUR NEW 9 1 1 DISPATCH WE GOT RIGHT NOW.
WELL THE 9 1 1 COMES IN FROM THE COG MONEY AND
YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THAT? MM-HMM
BUT IT'S KINDA LIKE, UH, WELL THE 9 1 1 EVENT THAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK CITY, WE ALL FELT COMPLETELY HELPLESS.
THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE CORNETT HIT PO OVER THERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CAPABILITIES OF TALK WITH ANYBODY.
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS PEOPLE DEAD BEATING HELP AND WE COULDN'T HELP 'EM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO, IT WAS A CLUSTER.
BECAUSE FORNEY'S NEW SYSTEM WOULD NOT TALK TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S EXISTING SYSTEM.
SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO GET WHERE EVERYBODY'S WORKING TOGETHER TO, BECAUSE IT COULD HAPPEN TO TERRELL, COULD HAPPEN IN NEY, COULD HAPPENED IN COST, BUT WE WERE JUST EXTREMELY FORTUNATE.
GOD WAS LOOKING OUT FOR EVERYBODY IN PONEY, TEXAS THAT DAY.
MR. MOORE, COULD YOU TELL US WHY PONY'S NEW SYSTEM WOULD NOT COMMUNICATE WITH THE WELL THE SYSTEM THEY CURRENTLY HAVE WILL WORK WITH ANY BUILDING.
SO IT WAS THEIR SYSTEM BUILDING.
THEY WERE ON A MOLD PURPLE SYSTEM AT THAT TIME, WHICH WAS A PROPRIETARY TYPE PRIVATE SYSTEM.
A LOT OF BIG, UM, BUSINESSES OR LIKE FACTORIES WILL USE IT.
SO EVEN, EVEN IF YOU HAD A DIGITAL RADIO, IT WOULD NOT TALK TO, IF WE HAD THIS NEW SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING TODAY, IT STILL WOULD'VE NOT COMMUNICATED THE SYSTEM THAT THEY, IS THAT CORRECT THE TWO SYSTEMS THAT TER HAD NOW? OR PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEMS? IF WE GET US A SEVEN, 800 SYSTEM, YES.
WE'LL HAVE TO ALL TALK TO EACH OTHER AND SHARE.
WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF WE HAD THIS NEW 700 SYSTEM TODAY AND THEY STILL HAD THE SYSTEM THEY HAD WHEN THE TORNADO HIT, THEY STILL WOULDN'T HAVE COMMUNICATED NO.
IF THEY WOULD'VE KEPT WITH THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR RADIO SYSTEM.
THEY COULDN'T COMMUNICATE IT THEIR LOCAL SYSTEM.
SAME AS WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE TODAY WITH TO THEIR 700 SYSTEM WITH OUR VHF CHANNEL, WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT WITH TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. AGAIN, UNLESS, BUT TERRELL HAS THE CAPABILITY ATTACHING UM, VHF TO 700.
SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR CONSOLE JUST TO TRY TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.
AND THAT IS THAT BECAUSE OUR CONSOLE AT SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NOT COMPATIBLE? NO, IT'S JUST TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. I MEAN YOUR VHSA TOTAL DIFFERENT SYSTEM.
BUT, BUT THIS NEW CONSOLE THAT IS IN THIS HARRIS BOOK RIGHT HERE, IF WE JUST BOUGHT, IF WE JUST PURCHASED THAT CONSOLE, WE COULD INTERLINK WITH TERRELL'S SYSTEM, WE COULD TALK 40 SYSTEM SYSTEM.
IF WE GO WITH THE NEW CONSOLE SYSTEM, I'LL BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING THE INTERNAL DISPATCHER DOES LINKING DIFFERENT FREQUENCY, ALL THAT
BUT THAT'S NOT A COMPLETE NEW RADIO SYSTEM.
THAT IS A NEW DISPATCH CONSOLE SYSTEM CAPABLE OF INTERACTING WITH WITH U-H-F-V-H-F 700 AND 800.
AND THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW AT DISPATCH CENTER IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THOSE.
WE HAVE LIKE, UM, EAST TEXAS MEDICALS ON THERE RIGHT NOW.
WE TALKED TO THEM THROUGH THAT CONSOLE.
BUT ONLY WE CAN TALK TO THEM THROUGH THEIR, THROUGH THAT CONSOLE AND ALL THE CONSOLE IS, IT'S JUST LIKE THEM WIDE SWITCH.
THEY HAVE AN 800 RADIO ON OUR TOWER THAT WE'RE, UH, ACTIVATING TO TALK TO 'EM.
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IT MAKE SENSE WHAT THAT CONSOLE'S DONE? IT IS WHAT'S IN THE EQUIPMENT IN THE TOWER PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN WHAT YOUR KEYING UP, SO.OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UH, BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE REGULAR SPECIAL SESSION, SPECIAL MEETING? I THINK WE'VE COVERED IT ALL.
WE'VE, WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT UM, TERRELL IS NOT GOING TO PAY ANY PORTION AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DISPATCH TO THEM.
IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BUILD YOUR OWN NEW POLICE.
THAT'S, UH, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR.
UH, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY BUILDING A BUILDING AND THAT SHOULD NOT MAKE ANYBODY THINK THAT WE ARE, UH, GONNA UH, NOT PARTICIPATE WITH THE COUNTY.
JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE BUILDING A BUILDING DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE REJECTING A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WOULD LOVE TO BUILD A BUILDING AND UM, UH, COORDINATE OUR OPERATIONS, UH, WITH YOU AND HAVE THE DISPATCHING HAPPEN IN KAUFMAN.
I'D BE PLEASED AS PUNCH TO HAVE AN EMPTY ROOM IN A BRAND NEW BUILDING BECAUSE WE PLAN FOR REDUNDANCY AT OUR NEW POLICE BUILDING AND WE HAVE AN OPERATIONAL CAPABILITY AND OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT GETS HAMMERED OUT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF TAROT.
I JUST DIDN'T COME TODAY WITH A PEN AND AN AGREEMENT TO SIGN IT BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE DETAILS, UH, TO GET WORKED OUT.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S FRUSTRATING THIS'S TAKING A LONG TIME TO WORK OUT, BUT WE THINK IT'S SO CRUCIAL THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS TO GET WORKED OUT.
PLEASE DON'T THINK TO YOURSELF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING, WE ARE GOING TO NEGLECT DOING A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BRAND NEW BUILDING WITH AN EMPTY FACILITY THAT'S ONLY USED IN EMERGENCIES.
THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
I JUST DID NOT COME WITH A PEN TO SIGN THAT AGREEMENT TODAY.
NOR DID WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT DRAFTED.
THERE IS AN AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN PASSED AROUND.
I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
AND UH, I SAW I'LL URGE, UH, ONCE WE MOVE THROUGH THE, IF WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT, UH, I'LL URGE THE SHERIFF AND THE VARIOUS, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN, UH, UH, WORKING ON THAT AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD AS FAST AS WE CAN.
I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THAT IT'S MY BELIEF THAT IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, PURCHASING THE EQUIPMENT TODAY AND THE FINANCING OF THE EQUIPMENT, THAT IT WILL PROBABLY BE, UH, MARCH OR APRIL BEFORE WE EVEN RECEIVE THE EQUIPMENT.
AND SO IT'S GONNA BE SEVERAL WEEKS AND MONTHS BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE AHEAD.
I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT TO YOU, IT'S BEEN MY BELIEF THAT WE WILL ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE, UH, OCTOBER 1ST WHEN OUR NEW BUDGET YEAR IS GOING ON.
'CAUSE WE WANT GET THE SYSTEM UP AND GOING.
UH, AND OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CDS, OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CDS, WE WOULD, UH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE IT BUDGETED EITHER THIS YEAR.
AND WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T REVENUE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T BUDGET ANY REVENUE FOR THAT.
SO, UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS.
AND, UH, THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT WE SIT HERE AS A COURT AND WE PRAY WHEN WE OPEN OUR MEETINGS TYPICALLY THAT WE ASK THAT WE PROTECT THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND ONE WAY WE CAN PROTECT THE FIRST RESPONDERS IS BY FURNISHING THEM WITH THE STATE OF THE ART COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT THAT THEY DESERVE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I FULLY INTEND ON TRYING TO HAVE US MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UH, WE NEED THAT TO OCCUR AND UH, I'M, UH, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I CHAMPION AS BEING THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
EVERYBODY WILL HAVE TO VOTE THEIR CONSCIOUS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.
I'M NOT, IT'S A HUGE MULTI MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DECISION.
IT IS A MAJOR DECISION THAT, AS WE CLEARLY STATED, IS NOT MANDATED.
WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW, WE CAN OPERATE INNER COUNTY WITH ALL THE PSAPS.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO HAVE A NEW DISPATCH CONSOLE.
OURS IS IN THE LIVE STUFF ONLY LASTS SO LONG, AND THAT IS SEPARATE FROM AN ENTIRE RADIO SYSTEM.
SO I WANT TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB AND OF, AND APPARENTLY WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT IS MANDATED THEIR JOB, BUT OUR EQUIPMENT THAT, PARTICULARLY THAT PORTION, THAT CONSOLE DISPATCH PORTION IS IN THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT IS HARD TO GET PARTS FOR, BUT AGAIN, UM, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS PRETTY WELL, I THOUGHT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT,
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BUT EVIDENTLY MAYBE NOT.WELL, I MEAN, IT JUST ALL SEEMS TO BE JUMBLED UP KIND OF IN ONE UNIT, BUT AS LONG AS EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE TWO DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF IT, LIKE MR. SIM SAYS, UH, I JUST WANTED MAKE, SO IN THAT LINE OF THINKING IT WOULD BE OKAY WITH YOU THEN IF WE HAD AN OFFICER OR A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER THAT'S OUT IN THE HINTERLAND SOMEPLACE THAT CANNOT COMMUNICATE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE UP TO DATE EQUIPMENT.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY TO JUST WHAT I STATED THAT RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO MEET ALL MANDATES.
WE HAVE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I UNDERSTAND THAT COUPLE OF DEAD SPOTS AND CALL YOU.
YOU'RE FINE THEN FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO AGREE TO THE DISPATCH CENTER, THE, THE, THE CONSULTS AND ALL THAT.
BUT WHAT YOU ARE INDICATING IS YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING AHEAD WITH PURCHASING THE RADIOS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CONSTABLES AND VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT LOCAL UNITS.
UN UNTIL WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENTS FROM THE CITIES THAT ARE GONNA PAY US FOR THEIR PORTION OF THE, UH, OPERATION OF THE CENTER, WHICH WOULD GIVE US FUNDS TO PAY OFF OUR, IF WE DID FUND THE NEW RADIO SYSTEM, THAT WOULD BE THE OFFSET.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO IN DEBT AND, AND PAY BOTH OF THEM FOR THE COUNTY BUDGET.
NO, I, I WANT OUR GUYS TO BE SAFE.
LIKE I SAID, WE MEET ALL MANDATES.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DEAD SPOTS IN THE COUNTY ON HAND HILL RADIO.
UH, I HAVE YET TO FIND A SPOT ON A MOBILE UNIT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A CAR RADIO THAT IS A, A DESK SPOT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE MAY BE SOME IN SOME PARTICULAR AREAS.
I HAVEN'T FOUND 'EM YET AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A MAP THAT, THAT SHOWED WHERE THEY WERE DEAD SPOTS ON IMOBILE.
I KNOW ON THE HANDHELDS IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
THE HANDHELDS ARE NOT, UM, AS STRONG UNITS AS MOBILES.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY BEING, YOU KNOW, FAIR OF THEIR LIVES, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
ANYWAY, OTHER ITEMS ON THE WORKSHOP BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE
SO MAY, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON AWARD RFP 14 DASH OH SIX PROJECT 25 PHASE TWO TRUNK RADIO SYSTEMS, UH, AND APPROVAL OF CONTRACT SIGNATURE BY COUNTY JUDGE IN ALL MATTERS RELATED.
AND JACK, I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS WITH A COMMITTEE FOR, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS NOW AND, UH, I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION HERE FOR US.
I THINK, DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE NOW THAT SINCE WE BURIED THIS ALL IN THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING OR THE WORKSHOP PORTION OF THE MEETING? OKAY, GENTLEMEN, I THINK YOU HAVE A PACKET THAT I EMAILED OUT LAST, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE EVENT EVENTS THERE IN THE PERSONNEL RFP.
UH, ALL THE ADDENDUMS, WE MAKE SITE VISITS.
UH, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE, UH, EY GEORGE, LIEUTENANT MOORE, CHIEF BEAVERS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, MYSELF, I WAS NOT A VOTING MEMBER, BUT, UH, WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
UH, WE RECEIVED THREE, THREE GOOD QUOTES.
UH, ONE F JOHNSON, ONE FROM HARRIS AND MOTOR MILK.
UH, THE COMMITTEE MADE THE FIRST EVALUATION AND, UH, GOT DOWN TO THE TWO BEST OFFERS.
AND THE PERSON, THE TWO COMMITTEE, TWO GROUPS THAT MADE THE NEXT STEP WERE, UH, HARRIS AND F JOHNSON.
THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE, UH, INITIAL, UH, BRAIDING, INITIAL BRAIDING.
UH, HARRIS RECEIVED A 85.5 F JOHNSON OF 79.25 AND 77.5 AT THAT POINT.
UH, WE MET WITH THE TWO FINALISTS AND, UH, ASKED FOR BEST AND FINAL OFFER.
UH, WE EVALUATED THOSE AND, UH, HE SEE THE, UH, FINAL EVALUATION.
UH, HARRIS CREATED OUT 87 AND JOHNSON 83.
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE THIS MOST OF THE TIME, UH, REGULAR BID.
THIS, THIS LARGE, UH, EXPERTISE REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS WHAT, AND HIRE A, UH, CONSULTANT.
THERE WAS ONE OF THE LOCAL, UH, AREA DID THAT SPENT 300,000
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FOR THAT.UH, I'M GONNA COMMEND THE COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE HARD WORK, UH, TO THIS.
UH, WE HAD, WE DID A GOOD JOB.
I, SO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO THE AWARD TO PARIS.
I THINK YOU SEE THAT IN, UH, THE PRICING SCHEDULE ON THE FIRST PHASE.
UH, TOTAL COST FOR PHASE ONE IS $1,000,403.
THERE'S A DISCOUNT OF, UH, 270,000 5 65, UH, FOR GOING DIRECT TO PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.
AND PHASE TWO, YOU'RE FIXING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
PHASE ONE COURSES IS THE CONSOLE ITSELF AND EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO BE FIT UP AND RUNNING.
THE, THE PART THAT WE'VE JUST HAD THE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? AND PHASE TWO IS, IS OBVIOUSLY THE ALL, ALL THE, UH, TOWER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, MOBILE RADIOS, UH, FORMAL RADIOS, ALL THE SOFTWARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, ALL THE EQUIPMENT INSTALLATION, UH, NEEDED TO GET PHASE, GET PHASE TWO IN TO COMMUNICATE ON SEVEN OTHER RADIOS.
PHASE ONE COURSE IS VHF AND PHASE TWO IS GETTING 700 UP AND RUNNING.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, HARRIS HAS PROMISED A, UH, 98% COVERAGE PROPOSAL.
THE OTHER TWO HAD A 95% GUARANTEE.
A 98% LIEUTENANT MORGAN MADE IT VERY CLEAR IF HE'S GONNA BE IN EVERY SWAMP, EVERY PASTURE AND THE COUNTY, MAKE SURE THAT RADIO TALKS 98% IN, IN THE EVENT THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
THAT IS, THAT'S ON HARRIS COMMUNICATIONS TO MAKE THE, UH, ADDITIONAL SITES OR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO GET UP TO 98% ON THE PHASE TWO JACK.
I BELIEVE THAT DOES, UH, WE HAVE A REPEATER ON SEVERAL AREAS IN THE COUNTY.
I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE, THREE SITES, UH, ELMO WATER TOWER.
I THINK I'LL, I'LL LET TIM MORE SPEAK TO THAT.
THE, UH, OFFSITE REPEATERS, UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE OF THOSE OR TWO OF THOSE.
YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THE MAIN SITE HERE AT KAUFMAN, RIGHT? I'M GONNA ADD TWO ADDITIONAL SITES.
ONE WILL BE AT ELMO, WILL BE AT COMBINE IN THOSE AREA TO GET THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT PARIS SUSTAINED THOSE LOCATIONS WILL GET THAT 98%.
ALRIGHT, IF WE GET IT UP AND GOING AND WE FIND OUT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE 98% COVERAGE, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE TO, WELL, I, I, THAT'S WHAT, WHEN WE SPOKE TO HARRISON IN OUR MEETING, I, I EXPLAINED TO THEM, I'M GONNA GO TO EVERY LITTLE GRID HERE.
WE WANT TO PROVE THE SYSTEM, BUT WE DO WHAT THEY'RE PROMISING IT'LL DO, AND THEY GUARANTEED US THAT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE COST OF MAKING WORK.
SAY WE ONLY ONLY GOT 96%, THEY'D BE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING UP 98%.
OKAY, THAT'S INTERFERENCE WOULDN'T BE AN EXCUSE FOR THAT.
MAKE SENSE? SAYING OLDER IT'S INTERFERENCE ISSUE.
THEY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR ENGINEERS SAY THEY GET 98% WHAT THEY GOT AND I EXPECT TO GET 98%.
THEY CAN BE RESPONSIBLE, JUDGE, THEY'LL BE DELIVERABLES AND WE GET TO THAT POINT AND THEY START INSTALLING THIS EQUIPMENT.
WE'LL HAVE THAT TESTED AND THEY'LL, AGAIN, THEY'LL HAVE TO GET 98%.
THAT'S WRITTEN, THAT WILL BE WRITTEN WRITTEN INTO THE AGREEMENT.
SO WE GET THAT MEANS BE A CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THE CONTRACT CAN BE VERY IMPORTANT ON, RIGHT, THAT'S ON HANDHELD PORTABLE RADIOS.
OPEN AREA COVERAGE, 98% AND OPEN AREA COVERAGE MEANS OUTDOORS OR OUT OF A VEHICLE INDOORS, STRUCTURAL WISE, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLY FIVE TO SIX SITES TO MAKE 98% COVERAGE.
GUYS TO BE COVERED INSIDE THE HOME AND THIS OUT OUTDOORS WITH HANDHELDS OUTDOOR WITH HANDHELDS, THEY'RE SAYING 98.
JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, GETTING ON 700, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET IN BUILDING MORE CURRENTLY.
OR 700, RIGHT? SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE PHASE TWO, UH, PHASE TWO WAS 2 MILLION 8 94, THAT, THAT'S WITH A, UH, 23,100 DISCOUNT GOING FROM PHASE ONE, DOING PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO AT THE SAME TIME.
SO BASICALLY THERE'S, THERE'S A SAVINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENT PHASE ONE AND TWO TOGETHER, THERE'S A SAVINGS OF 694,000, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE TOTAL COST, ESTIMATED COST OF THE SYSTEM 3.6 MILLION.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDING SOFTWARE OR, OR MAINTENANCE, BUT, BUT, UH, THE EQUIPMENT AND RADIOS IS 3,000,603.
WHAT SOFTWARE DOES IT NOT INCLUDE THAT
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IT INCLUDES THE FIRST YEAR? UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, UH, FULL SOFTWARE, UH, SOFTWARE FOR SYSTEM ITSELF.UH, ALSO HAS, UH, UH, MAINTENANCE FOR, UH, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS FOR, UH, UH, MAINTENANCE WARRANTY ON THE RADIO.
AND THEN OF COURSE YOU START, YOU KNOW, YEAR, YEAR THREE, YOU START PICKING THOSE UP.
YEAR TWO, YOU START PICKING UP THE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE YEAR ONES INCLUDED.
UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP, UH, 10 YEARS IS 4,944,000 1 77.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY FINANCING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAINTENANCE WITHOUT FINANCING.
UH, TYPICALLY YOU DO NOT FINANCE THE, THE MAINTENANCE, UH, IN SIMPLY YOU PAY THAT SEPARATELY.
UH, INMATES USE TO, UH, ONLY HAVE, UH, WARRANTY ON RADIOS FOR FIVE YEARS.
SO, SO BACK THAT OFF THE LAST FIVE YEAR MAY NOT TO SECURE THAT RADIOS PERFORM LIKE WE EXPECT THEM TO.
WE MAY VERY WELL DROP THAT PORTION OFF.
SO THAT'D BE PAID ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS.
IF WE DECIDED TO GO MAINTENANCE ON THE, THE SYSTEM FOR YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE, THEN WE COULD DROP IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO, WE WOULDN'T BE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED FOR YEARS FOUR THROUGH 10.
NOW OBVIOUSLY ON, ON THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF, UH, I THINK MAINTENANCE 106,000, THAT'S, THAT'S A SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE.
AND UH, THAT'S TYPICALLY ANY KIND OF NEW ENHANCEMENTS THAT COME UP.
UH, I'LL LET GEORGE SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT, UH, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU SURELY WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAINTENANCE UP AND RUNNING.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT? ABSOLUTELY.
NOW YOU MAY TWEAK THE, UH, I DON'T WANT USE MAINTENANCE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE WITH, UH, UH, WARRANTY STUFF FOR RADIOS.
WE, WE MAY ELECT TO NOT PAY THE, THE FEE FOR GUARANTEEING A RADIO.
THEY BREAK REPLACEMENT FIVE YEARS OLD.
YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT NOT DOING THAT, BUT YOU DEFINITELY WANT HAVE YOUR, YOUR MAINTENANCE, ALL THE UPGRADE CHANGES IN PLACE EVERY YEAR.
THERE'S SOMETHING ON OUR DECK WHERE WE GET, UH, DO WE GET A CREDIT FOR OUR OWN STUFF, UH, COMMISSION.
UH, UH, THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT, UH, EQUIP MIGHT BE WORKING MORE AND BE, UH, PHASE ONE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE RADIOS.
WE, WE COULD USE THE RADIOS FOR THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS COULD USE FORMAL RADIO INSTEAD OF CELL PHONES.
UH, IT, IT'S CERTAINLY FOR DISCUSSION BEST INTEREST TO KEEP THE RADIOS TO USE THE ROAD BRIDGE OR WHERE THEY MIGHT BE UTILIZED SO THAT THE OLD SYSTEM THEN STILL WOULD HAVE SOME USE OF THE COUNTY IF WE, WE'D PROBABLY GET MORE USE OF IT THAT WAY THAN TRADING IT IN OR SOMETHING.
COMMISSIONER, YOU WERE ON THE, UH, COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE THAT SEARCHED ALL OF THIS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, I NEVER SAW A FIGURE AS TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE AMOUNT OF THE TRADING WOULD BE.
UM, BUT I GUESS IT VALUE IF THERE'S VERY LITTLE VALUE TO IT.
JACK, I'M NOT, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T ON THE COMMITTEE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, THAT HARRIS OFFER WANTS TO TRADE IN.
I'M SURE WE COULD, THAT COULD BE WORKED IN THE COMMITTEE.
JUST FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE AOUS TO KEEP THE EQUIPMENT ON THE, UM, ON THE EQUIPMENT.
ON, ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THIS, UH, END, UH, IT SAYS SIMULCAST REMOTE BASE STATIONS 18.
WHERE WOULD THE BASE STATIONS BE LOCATED? I KNOW WE HAVE A, OUR, UH, PSAPS AND THEN THE MOBILE COMMAND CENTER FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
BUT WHERE WOULD THE 18 BASE STATIONS BE? UH, WHAT IT IS, I KIND EXPLAINED TO YOU EARLIER, THE CONSOLE'S A SWITCH.
IT CONTROLS RADIOS AND REMOTE SIDE, THE WAY THE NEW CENTER'S BUILT, WE WON'T HAVE A TOWER SITE WITH THE LITTLE BUILDING.
THE REMOTE RADIOS WILL BE IN THE SERVER ROOM IN THE BACK OF THE DISPATCH CENTER INSIDE THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE 18 THAT OPENS UP MORE ON A CONSOLE.
THEY CAN SPEAK, UH, THEY CAN ARRANGE WHERE YOU GOT CAROL PD 40 CALLS.
YOU HAVE ALL YOUR, UH, EAST TEXAS, EACH ONE OF THOSE.
IF YOU GO INTO DISPATCH CENTER, THERE'S EIGHT, UM, LITTLE UH, TABS ON THAT SCREEN.
THERE'S EIGHT RADIOS FUNCTIONING WITH THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO ALL THOSE BASE STATIONS WILL BE IN THE, UH, EQUIPMENT ROOM.
I WAS KIND OF UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE DISPATCH CONSOLE WOULD, WOULD
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FUNCTION AS THE BASE STATION.IT'S A SWITCH JUST LIKE STANDARD.
ALL IT'S DONE IS COMMUNICATING WITH THE RADIOS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
IT, IT IS THE SOFTWARE THAT'S WORKING IN THE RADIO, IT $23,000 A PIECE.
WE JUST RUN WIRE DISPATCHER FLAT TIRES AND RUN MIC TO MIC CHANGE.
IT JUST MAKES, THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING IN ONCE SPOT.
IS THAT DISCUSSED AT THE UH, COMMITTEE MEETING? UH, I BELIEVE SO.
AND THEN ON THE AMOUNT OF RADIOS, UM, THE LAST SECTION THERE, WE HAVE 183, IT SAYS, UM, FROM THE KS O AND FIRE AND MARSHALL PORTABLE, DO WE HAVE NEED FOR THAT MEETING HAND HILL PORTABLES 183? YES, BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT 90 SOMETHING FOR OUR SUPPORT, WE'RE AT A HUNDRED.
AND THEN THE, THE JPS, OR I MEAN THE CONSTABLES IN THERE, I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT A NUMBER AND I DON'T HAVE THE PAPERWORK FOR WHERE THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY DROP SOME ON THAT, BUT FROM THE ORIGINAL FIGURE AND THEN THE MOBILE UNITS, WE'VE GOT 138.
WOULD THAT BE, UH, WOULD THE THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS EACH HAVE A A MOBILE UNIT ALSO, OR THAT'S WITH THE AGREEMENT ON THAT AND, AND JACK, WE'VE GOT ALL THEM NUMBERS TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED TO EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING THEIR TRUCK AND WHAT THEIR NEEDS.
SO THAT WOULD BE BOTH, THAT WOULD BE MOBILES FOR EACH VOLUNTEER FOR THEIR APPARATUS THEY GOT IN THEIR HOUSE RIGHT NOW? YES.
NOT HANDHELD, BUT MOBILE IN IN THEIR TRUCKS OR IN THEIR, THEIR STATIONS.
THEIR TRUCK TO STATION MOBILE.
AND WE HAVE A SPREADSHEET, MR. HONOR, I'VE GOT A SPREADSHEET I CAN SEE NOT IN THAT.
UH, IT SHOWS ON HERE JACK SIMULCAST SIDE EQUIPMENT GENERATOR, 25 KW ELMO WATER TOWER AND COMBINE WATER TOWER AT 39 5.
THAT WILL, THAT'LL BE, UH, TWO GENERATORS INSTALLED AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
IS THAT CORRECT? LOOKS LIKE ONE AT EACH, ONE AT EACH LOCATION.
DID THE COMMITTEE LOOK AT THE GENERATOR THAT'S DOWN AT THE, UH, UH, SOUTH CAMPUS TO EVALUATE IT AND SEE IF IT'S, IT'S, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT GENERATOR DIDN'T MEAN EPA AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S END OF WIFI.
I COULDN'T EVEN KEEP IT RUNNING.
IT RUNS ABOUT HALF ALL WHO MOST THE TIME I'D GO OVER AND FIRE UP.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BIG ONE IN THE JAIL OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE ONE AT THE TIRE? AT THE TIRE SIDE? NO, THE BIG AT THE, UH, AT OLD, AT SOUTH CAMPUS.
NO, YEAH, THAT'S, WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE DON'T NEED A GENERATOR THAT BIG PUT OUT THERE.
YOU'D HAVE TO HOUSE, BUT YEAH.
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD PUT THAT, THAT BIG THING.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT'S AT THE OTHER TIRE IS, IT'S IN THE LIGHT, IT'S PROPANE.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE I COME HERE TONIGHT, SO.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN WANTING TO USE THAT GENERATION.
I'VE BEEN TRYING, I'VE BEEN TRYING USE IT.
I UNDERSTOOD WHAT I, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE GUY WHO WAS MAINTAINED IT, THAT IT WAS LOW HOUR BEEN MAINTAINED, UH, FOREVER.
OF COURSE, HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE, THE ELECTRICITY GENERATION PART OF IT AS FAR AS DIGITAL CONTROLS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
OF COURSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, I JUST, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TWO, ANYTHING IN HERE.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, PARTICULARLY, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND GEORGE, THEY LOOK AT ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF THE BIDS LOOK, EXAMINE WHAT, WHAT WE HAD ON HAND AND TRY TO PROVIDE THE BEST SOLUTION.
JACK, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? JUDGE, JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE 10 YEAR COST AND OWNERSHIP, THAT WAS 4.9 MILLION.
UH, AND I THINK YOU SOME NUMBERS THAT INCLUDE ALL THE SOFTWARE, UH, 5.9, UH, 5,000,009, 11,000 6, 9, 7, THAT, THAT IS THE, UH, 10 YEAR OWNERSHIP.
AND THEN I THINK THE, THE, UH, PAGE 15, UH, 6,000,008, 7,000, THAT, THAT IS THE TOTAL 10 YEARS WITH 10 YEARS OF, UH, OR WITH THE NINE YEARS OF, UH, ALL THE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE REQUIRED.
SO THAT'S A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATE, UH, WITH, WITH MAKING SURE WE HAVE MAINTENANCE FOR ALL, ALL THE, EXCUSE ME, NOT SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE.
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6.8 FOR 10 YEARS, NOT, WE EXPECT OFF AGAIN, UH, WE NOT TO HAVE MAINTENANCE ON RADIO STUFF YEAR FIVE, SIX THROUGH 10.THAT'S IF WE'LL MAKE A DECISION.
THEY GUARANTEE THE RATE FOR US.
UH, BUT IF WE MAY LOOK AT LIKE, IS IT WISE TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR SIX ZERO RADIO? THAT'S POSSIBILITY OF THE POINT DISCUSSION AT ONE TIME WAS WHETHER THE VOLUNTARY FIRE DEPARTMENTS WOULD HAVE SOME TIED TO BUDGET TO BUY SOME GOOD RADIOS.
AND I THINK WE TALKED TO SOME VENDORS.
WE WENT, I WAS IN
WE HAVE, WE HAVE FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT, FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT, THE PRICE, AND THAT'S WHERE ANY RADIO WE MIGHT NEED OR ANYONE IN THE COUNTY THAT AGREED WELL, WE'RE INCLUDING RADIOS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
WELL, THERE'S PORTABLE PORTABLES THAT THEY OH, ADDITIONAL IN THE FUTURE.
THEY'RE ALSO GUARANTEES FOR THE SMALLER AGENCIES THEY MIGRATE TO THIS, GUARANTEES THEM WHAT THE PRICE IS GONNA BE.
I THINK WE WOULD HOPE PERHAPS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEIR ESDS WOULD HELP, MAYBE FUND SOME OF THOSE LOTS.
DON'T HAVE, WELL, TO PAY THE BILLS.
NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED TO, AND STEVE'S INVOLVED IN THIS AND WE HAVE TALKED TO THE FIRE CHIEF ASSOCIATION.
ONE THING IS, IS LOOKING AT GOING TOGETHER AS A JOINT GRANT AND, AND TRYING TO, 'CAUSE ANYTIME YOU DO A JOINT GRANT IN COMMUNICATION DOING THAT, I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD CHANCE, CHANCE WINNING THAT.
WE'RE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND START WORKING ON THAT IMMEDIATELY.
WE HAVE, UH, THREE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, TO DISCUSS, UH, THIS ONE OF THEM, UH, IS, UH, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL UP, UH, MR. RICK NER, WHO IS THE FIRE CHIEF OF COMBINE CHIEF.
UH, GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING.
I'M ALSO THE NC COORDINATOR FOR COMBINE AND A CITIZEN OFWELL COUNTY FOR COMBINE.
UM, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A BOOTS ON THE GROUND PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT ANY DISASTER, WHETHER IT'S JUST A HOUSE FLYER ALL THE WAY UP TO NINE 11 IN NEW YORK, YOU TALKED ABOUT FORNEY BEING CHAOTIC.
OKAY? UH, GO GO THROUGH ANY, GO TO THE, THE NORTH CAROLINA.
WERE SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS WERE KILLED.
THEY COULDN'T COMMUNICATE PROPERLY WITH THOSE GUYS.
HANDHELDS ARE, ARE A BIG PART OF THIS EQUATION TOO.
I REALLY WANT THE COURT TO CONSIDER VOTING YES ON THIS.
ON PHASE ONE, IT SOUNDS LIKE OUGHT BILL AS WELL.
BUT ON PHASE TWO, IT REALLY NEEDS TO, UM, I RESPOND LOCALLY.
I'VE RESPONDED FOR THE COUNTY.
I RESPONDED INTERNATIONALLY ON TASK FORCE AND SUCH.
COMMUNICATIONS IS ALWAYS THE PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S IN LITTLE OLD COMBINE OR BIG CITY NEY CO ONTARIO COMMUNICATIONS WILL BE THE PROBLEM.
WE MUTUAL AID WITH MESQUITE AND THE DALLAS FIRE RESCUE, WHETHER THEY DO, THEY GIVE, WE, WE SEND TWO TRUCKS OVER THERE WITH SIX FIREFIGHTERS.
THEY GIVE US ONE HANDHELD TO COMMUNICATE.
THAT PUTS THE OPERATION EFFICIENCY DOWN.
WE CAN'T TALK AND, AND COMMUNICATE ON THAT.
IT PUTS SYSTEMS AT RISK BECAUSE WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE WELL TO DO OUR JOB.
AND IT PUTS THOSE FIREFIGHTERS AT RISK.
I DO FEAR FOR MY LIFE BECAUSE OF COMMUNICATIONS.
AND YES, WE HAVE A SYSTEM TODAY THAT WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE WORK, BUT IT'S A MAKE WORK SITUATION.
IF I GOTTA GO TO MAYBANK, IT'S KIND OF TOUGH.
WE CAN MAKE IT WORK, BUT IT'S KIND OF TOUGH.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO CONSIDER, LET, LET'S SAY SOMETHING DID HAPPEN HERE AND DALLAS HAS TO COME HELP US, OR STEVE, THEY CAN'T TALK TO US.
OR IF WE GO THERE, SOMEBODY BLOWS THE CITY UP, THEY'RE GONNA WANT LITTLE OLD COMBINE AND LITTLE WILL EVERYBODY ELSE TO COME HELP.
IT'S JUST HUGE IN OUR OPERATIONS.
AND ANYTIME YOU DON'T COMMUNICATE WELL, PEOPLE GET HURT.
SO FROM, LIKE I SAID, FROM A BOOTS ON, ON THE GROUND PERSPECTIVE, WE REALLY NEED THIS.
UH, NEXT, AND I'M GONNA CALL THESE THAT ARE LISTED HERE, UH, ON THE, UH, SIGN IN SHEET IS JAKE PRICE WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS.
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UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.UM, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENING AFTER WE TURNED IN OUR ORIGINAL BID, UM, RIGHT AFTER THAT, EAST TEXAS MEDICAL, UH, WHO WAS ALSO A CUSTOMER OF OURS IN, IN THE COUNTY, UM, MADE US AWARE THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK A DEAL WITH US TO INCORPORATE THEIR EQUIPMENT, THAT WE SOLD THEM INTO YOUR SYSTEM TO LOWER YOUR COST, BUT ALSO EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO ALLOW FOR FREQUENCIES TO COME OVER FOR YOU GUYS TO UTILIZE.
UM, FREQUENCIES ARE A RARITY IN EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, UNLESS YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND HOPEFULLY I'M, UM, THERE IS NO OTHER 700 OR 800 CHANNELS IN THE COUNTY OTHER THAN WHAT OUR CUSTOMERS ALREADY HAVE IN YOUR COUNTY.
SO BY THIS, WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR IS IF WE MADE IT TO THE BEST AND FINAL, UM, WE WERE GONNA OFFER THIS OFFER WHERE WE COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY REDUCE YOUR PRICE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT BRING FREQUENCIES ALONG WITH THAT.
WHY DID YOU NOT, UH, OFFER IT BEFORE THE BEST AND FINAL? WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING THIS? WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT TIL, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT EAST TEXAS WAS WILLING TO DO THAT AT THE TIME.
WE HAD A FEW WEEKS TO RESPOND.
WE LOOKED TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA MEET FREQUENCIES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TALKING TO 'EM.
AND WE DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE BEST AND FINAL.
SO, SO NO FAULT OF THE COMMITTEE.
IT WAS JUST, I, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT BEST AND FINAL.
WELL, I WISHED YOU HAD DONE IT EARLIER.
UH, NEXT IS, UH, KID, UH, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? KATIE HATLEY.
CALL YOUR KID MY, MY BAD EYES.
AND YOU'RE WITH, UH, HARRIS COMMUNICATION.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING US TO BE HERE TODAY.
I DO WANT TO, UH, STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR A GOOD SIX, EIGHT MONTHS.
UM, WANT THANK COMMITTEE FOR DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
UH, JUST REALLY WORKING WITH US, WORKING WITH THE OTHER VENDORS TO, UH, TO CARRY THIS FORWARD.
SO THIS HASN'T BEEN A FAST PROCESS.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
UH, JUST A LITTLE THING, A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT HARRIS.
UH, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW, IT'S, UH, HARRIS' INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS COMPANY.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE HEADQUARTERED IN MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.
THE COMPANY IS APPROXIMATELY 5.5 BILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUE AND ABOUT 15,000 EMPLOYEES TODAY.
UH, THAT, THAT INCORPORATES ENGINEERS, SCIENTISTS, UM, ABOUT 6,000 ENGINEERS AND SCIENTISTS.
UH, ONE THING I DO WANNA STRESS IS WE ARE HERE LOCAL.
WE HAVE AN OFFICE OUT OF, UH, IRVING, TEXAS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTRUMENTAL WITH THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU WILL BE DEALING WITH HARRIS EMPLOYEES AND HARRIS EMPLOYEES ONLY, UH, MOVING INTO THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE AND, UH, AND THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE LEAVE, JUDGE? JUST LIKE THE COMMITTEE.
UH, YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND WAS, IT WAS A LONG PROCESS, I THINK.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, UH, VOTE? I THINK IT'D BEEN, IT'D BEEN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BIG HELP TO JACK IF HE'D HAD AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT COME IN.
I TOO WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR GOING OVER THIS.
'CAUSE BY LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, THEY SAVED US $300,000 OR SO BY NOT HAVING A CONSULTANT.
I THINK THEY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO THIS THING.
AND IT'S, IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING THAT.
I'LL BACK YOU UP ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THIS WAS LIKE, WE GIVE EVERYBODY, THIS IS JUST A 700 SYSTEM PROJECT PLUS ALL OUR CONCERNS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM DISPATCH.
AND, UH, LIEUTENANT MOORE HAS AND BROUGHT TO MY, OUR ATTENTION.
AND, AND UNDERSTAND THE END OF LIFE THAT WE'RE ON WITH OUR CONSULT WAS THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE ABOUT, AND WE EITHER GO THROUGH IT OR Y'ALL JUST HAVE IT.
LIEUTENANT MOORE HAS PROVIDED ALL THIS FOR US AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT IN LENGTH FOR THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.
GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE, UH, CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE LOAD? AND THE ITEM AGAIN NOW IS TO, UH, PURCHASE THE, UH, AWARDING THE CONTRACT, UH, RFP 14 DASH OH SIX.
AND THIS WOULD BE FOR, UH, PHASE TWO TRUNK RADIO SYSTEM FOR BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.
AND IT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE, UH, TO ENTER INTO THIS CONTRACT AFTER THE, UH, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL REVIEWS THE CONTRACT.
UH, AND SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE, UH, VOTING
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ON.SO OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? I JUST REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
I KNOW WE NEED A NEW CONSOLE DISPATCH CENTER.
UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE A PHASE ONE ON THE AGENDA, IT CAN'T BE VOTED ANOTHER WAY.
SO IT'S PHASE TWO, IT'S ALL ANOTHER ON THE AGENDA.
AND, UH, MY VOTE WILL BE A NO UNTIL THE CITY PRODUCED THEIR INTERLOCAL GRIEVANCE.
UH, THEN I WOULD BE ACCEPTED LOOKING AT PHASE TWO.
SO IS THAT A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE THE WARNING? IT, I'M JUST SAYING MY VOTE WOULD BE A NO FOR THE ITEMS. GENERAL NUMBER THREE AS IT'S WRITTEN.
I'D LIKE FOR JACK TO ADDRESS THE PHASE TWO.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, UH, ALL SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, AWARD OF R FP 14 DASH OH SIX PROJECT 25 PHASE TWO TRUCK RAIL SYSTEM.
UH, WE COULD DO PHASE TWO IF WE DIDN'T DO PHASE ONE.
UH, IS THE PROJECT NUMBER, DOES THAT INCLUDE PHASE ONE PROJECT 25? YES, SIR.
SO THE ACTUAL PROJECT NUMBER IS CORRECT.
IT'S JUST NOT LISTED AS TWO ON THE, I MEAN, IT'S ONE ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S, THAT IS ACTUALLY JUST THE TITLE.
THE SYSTEM IS, IS PHASE TWO P 25, PHASE TWO.
THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OUR DISPATCH CONSOLES VERSUS RADIOS.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS BEFORE YOU? IS THE SYSTEM ITSELF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM? THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
AND THAT IS WHAT, THAT IS WHAT THE BID DOCUMENT SAID.
THAT CLEARED THAT UP FOR YOU COMMISSIONER.
RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S ALL OR NOTHING.
WE CAN'T VOTE ON PHASE ONE AS IT'S TO APPROVE PHASE ONE AND THEN VOTE ON PHASE TWO, RIGHT? YEAH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE ALL ONE TOTAL PROJECT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THE, UH, COMMITTEE FELT LIKE IT WOULD'VE BEEN ADVANTAGEOUS TO DO ONE, WE WOULD'VE SAID, SAID THAT, WAS THIS A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE COMMITTEE? DID Y'ALL VOTE OR DID YOU, UH, ASK ME? UH, I WAS NOT A VOTING MEMBER OF A I I KNOW YOU WERE.
YES, ALL THE, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEES UNANIMOUSLY, ACTUALLY, MR. ZA DID NOT, UH, VOTE ON THIS.
RIGHT? I THINK HE WASN'T PREPARED TO, TO GIVE A GOOD ANSWER.
SO EVERY I WANT, SO LEMME CORRECT EVERYBODY, BUT COMMISSIONER VOTE.
AND Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAD A VOTE TO SEPARATE PHASE ONE FROM PHASE TWO.
WE, WE HAD A VOTE TO AWARD AS STATED.
R 25 PROJECT 25 PHASE TWO DOCUMENT.
UH, COUNSEL, AS YOU HEARD THIS DISCUSSION, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN, UH, MOVE FORWARD ON VOTING ON, UH, PHASE ONE AND TWO, THE WAY IT'S LISTED AFTER HEARING THE DISCUSSION AND THE AGENDA? WELL, THE, IT'S DESCRIBE THIS PROJECT.
25 PHASE TWO TRUNK RADIO SYSTEM.
AH, SO IS THERE JUST ONE ASPECT? IS IT TRUNK ONE IN TRUNK TWO? THERE'S A PHASE ONE AND A PHASE TWO.
UH, BUT THE BID DOCUMENT MR. WAS GIVEN, REMEMBER, UH, CAN I JUST CLARIFY, THE PHASE TWO LISTED HERE, I THINK ACTUALLY REFERS TO THE NATIONAL PHASE TWO OF THESE IMPLEMENTING STANDARDS? YES.
SO THE PHASE TWO THAT FOUND ITS WAY INTO YOUR AGENDA TITLE HAS NO, IS NOT REFERRING TO THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO IN THE BID DOCUMENTS.
IT'S REFERRING TO THE NATIONAL STANDARDS, WHICH IS, I GUESS THE SIMPLE WAY TO SAY IT WOULD BE IT'S PHASE TWO OF THE NATIONAL DIGITAL STANDARDS.
IS THE PHASE TWO REFERENCED IN YOUR AGENDA PILOT? I'M CONCERNED.
WELL, THAT, SO, SO JACK, SO JACK IS, IS IT NOT PROPERLY DESCRIBING WHAT THE CORPORATE
PHASE TWO IS A-T-D-M-A SYSTEM, AND THAT IS THE SECOND PHASE OF THE P 25 PROJECT.
OVERALL, WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING AS FAR AS THE CONSOLES AND STUFF IN RELATION TO OUR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID PART ONE, PART TWO OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO WHEN IT SAYS PROJECT 25, PHASE TWO, RIGHT? THAT IS THE STANDARD OF RADIO SYSTEM WE WANT, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARTS THAT WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER.
THERE'S A, THERE'S JUST A NICKNAME FOR THE FEDERAL STANDARDS.
SO NICKNAME FOR THE FEDERAL STANDARDS IS PHASE TWO, AS IN PHASE TWO OF THE DIGITAL STANDARDS.
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A FEDERAL, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT NICKNAME FOR THE STANDARDS YOU'RE DEALING WITH HERE.SO MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, JOHN, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT MY BID DOCUMENT STATES THAT IT WAS ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER AS THAT IT WAS ADVERTISED AS RFP 14 DASH OH SIX PROJECT 25 PHASE TWO.
SO WE'RE AWARD, SO THE COURT IS VOTING ON THE ACTUAL THING THAT WAS SUBJECT TO THE YEAH, I THINK WE'RE CLOUDING THE ISSUE.
THERE, THERE, THERE YOU COULD GO.
THIS, YOU GO A PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO.
SO, BUT THE DOCUMENT SAID PHASE TWO TRUNK SYSTEM ADVERTISES THAT AND MIGHT RECOMMENDED AWARD AS THAT.
SO THE PEOPLE BIDING KNEW THAT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY DESCRIBE THE SAME WAY AS IT CERTAINLY THE BIDDERS.
I MEAN, I, I CAN GET YOU, IF I CAN GO START, GET A COPY OF THE BID DOC IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEND THAT.
COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AWARD OFP 14 DASH OH SIX AS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE.
AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE TIME HAS BEEN ON
AND I'VE ALSO ALWAYS HAD, WHENEVER WE DID HAVE A COMMITTEE TO GRANT TO WORK ON RF P RQS, YOU NEED TO GO BY WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS OR DO IT YOURSELF.
SO I'M WILL ON THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.
OH YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM THREE IS LISTED, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF THIS PROJECT FOR KAMAN COUNTY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER MANNING SECONDS.
UH, DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO IT WOULD BE PASSED ON THREE, TWO VOTE.
NEXT ITEM IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON FINANCING OPTIONS FOR THE EQUIPPING OF THE 9 1 1 AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, UH, OPTIONS HERE.
THE, UH, VENDOR, I BELIEVE IS GIVING A FINANCE OPTION AS WELL.
UH, I'D ALSO ASK GEORGE WILLIFORD WITH FIRST SOUTHWEST COMPANY, UH, COME FORWARD AND, UH, TALK ABOUT SOME OPTIONS WE HAVE OF FINANCING THIS, UH, WITH A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
AND, UH, GEORGE, I BELIEVE PROVIDED US WITH A TIME, UH, TIME SHEET THAT WOULD, UH, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK BEFORE YOU, UH, JUDGE WOOD HAS CALLED, UH, AND, UH, VISITED WITH TOM HOLLAND MYSELF, UH, BACK BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS ABOUT, UH, HOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS COURT COULD UNDERTAKE FINANCING OF, UH, EQUIPMENT SUCH AS THIS, UH, UH, AND SO ON.
AND, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR IN THE PAST, UH, THE COUNTY HAS USED TAX NOTES, CERTAIN TYPES OF ITEMS, BUT THE PROBLEM IS UNDER, UH, STATUTE TAX NOTES CANNOT EXCEED SEVEN YEAR REPAYMENT TERM.
AND SO, UH, TOM AND I DISCUSSED THAT AS LONG AS THIS WAS PERSONAL PROPERTY TYPE EQUIPMENT, NOT REAL ESTATE AND SO ON, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE AVAILABLE WOULD BE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
AND THOSE CAN RUN LONGER REPAYMENT TERM, UH, TALKING WITH, UH, JUDGE WOOD ABOUT, UH, THE LIKE, UH, OF THE EQUIPMENT AND SO ON.
WE'VE PREPARED EXAMPLES OF TWO SCHEDULES THAT YOU HAVE, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU, 12 YEAR AND 15 YEAR REPAYMENT.
AND, UH, UH, WE LOOKED AT KIND OF OTHER RANGE OF OPTIONS, BUT, UH, JUDGE INDICATED THAT, UH, UH, THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, EQUIPMENT SUPPLIER AND EVERYONE WOULD, UH, HELP ME COME BACK WITH A, UH, UH, USEFUL RIGHT, UH, FOR THIS, UH, TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE, UH, WITHIN THAT 12 TO 15 YEAR, UH, TIMEFRAME.
AND, UH, SO WE'RE WAITING ON THAT TO, TO SETTLE ON, RIGHT.
AND THAT WE'LL BE GETTING THAT TO YOU.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S WHAT THE LIFE EXPERIENCE IS THE MINIMUM OF.
IT'S YES, SIR, WITH PROPER MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS A REASON WE BE GONNA THE, UH, MAINTENANCE PART OF IT AS WELL.
AND, AND SO LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE GOT, UH, SCHEDULE SHOWING REPAYMENT I 12 OR 10 YEARS, AND, UH, WE BASE THIS ON ASSUMED INTEREST RATES TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE, UH, AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE, UH, WE USED A 3.2% INTEREST RATE FOR 12 YEARS, THREE AND HALF PERCENT FOR 15 YEARS.
WE'D HOPE THAT MAYBE, UH, THE RATES, IF NOTHING CHANGES, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, WOULD THE EVEN A LITTLE LOWER THAN THAT.
BUT ON THE SUMMARY PAGE, IT REALLY, UH,
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SEE COMMISSIONER CLARK HAS IN FRONT OF US, UH, IT SHOWS THAT USING THOSE INTEREST RATES AND 3.6 MILLION BEING THE PROJECT COST THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEN WE SIZE IN ESTIMATES FOR WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FEE BOND COUNSEL AND OUR FEE.AND IF, UH, PURCHASER BANKS HAD, UH, COUNSEL REVIEW, UH, THE COST OF ISSUANCE WOULD BE IN THAT TOTAL 70,000.
YOU CAN SEE THAT A 12 YEAR REPAYMENT AROUND 373,000 A YEAR AND 15 YEARS WOULD BE AROUND 319,000 PER YEAR, UH, REPAYMENT.
UH, BASED ON ALL THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AND THE PROCESS FOR ISSUING CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, UH, YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE, THE CALENDAR, UH, COURSE COMMISSIONER'S, COURTS CAN ONLY AUTHORIZE DEBT ISSUANCE AT REGULAR, UH, MEETINGS, UH, NOT A SPECIAL MEETING AND SO ON.
AND SO VISITING WITH THE JUDGE, UH, TO GIVE TIME FOR THE WHOLE PROCESS, WE REALLY, UH, KEYED IN ON THE FEBRUARY 9TH REGULAR MEETING, THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS, UH, AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS AND, UH, UH, EARLY IN JANUARY AND, AND I THINK IT SHOWS HERE ON JANUARY 15TH WITH, UH, A RANGE FOR THE COUNTY TO SEND OUT SOLICITATION PRIMARILY TO COMMERCIAL BANKS.
THERE ARE BANKS THAT, UH, UH, DO PURCHASE, UH, DEBT ISSUES LIKE THIS BY CITIES, COUNTIES, AND SO ON OF TAX FREE.
UH, ALSO ALL OF THE BANKS WITHIN THE COUNTY, BECAUSE A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, WE HAD ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT, UH, UH, ONE OF THE KNOWN PURCHASERS WOULD, UH, UH, UH, BUY AN ISSUE.
AND, AND I BELIEVE IT WASN'T IN THE COUNTY, IT WAS A BANK ATHENS THAT, UH, UH, BID THE LOWEST, UH, INTEREST RATE.
SO WE'D TRY TO BE INCLUSIVE, UH, UH, AND, AND HELP THE, THE COUNTY TO SEND OUT THAT SOLICITATION.
AND THAT WOULD BE, SAY, MID-FEBRUARY, GIVE THEM A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO, UH, RESPOND.
AND GIVEN THE SCHEDULE THAT WE, UH, HAD DISCUSSED, UH, WE HAD JANUARY 30TH OF RESPONSE, SO RECEIPT DATE FOR THE BIDS TO, UH, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, FINANCE AND PURCHASE THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION ISSUE.
AND THAT WOULD ENABLE TOM TO DO THE DOCUMENTS SO THAT EVERYTHING COULD BE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON FEBRUARY 9TH FOR THE COURT TO ACTUALLY AUTHORIZE ISSUANCE AND APPROVE SALE TO, UH, WHOEVER HAD BID THE MOST FAVORABLE INTEREST RATE.
GEORGE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR YOU AND WE DISCUSSED IS IF WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, PAY ADDITIONAL, IF WE WERE ABLE TO PAY OFF THE LOAN EARLIER OR MAKE AN ADDITIONAL PAYMENT DURING THE TIME, UH, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PUT INTO THE SOLICITATION, THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU WOULD, IF, IF THE COUNTY WERE TO GO OUT INTO THE PUBLIC MARKET AND WE GET A RATING AND, AND SELL THE BONDS IN THE PUBLIC MARKET, AND ALL LIKELIHOOD YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT OPEN PREPAYMENT ABILITY, BUT SELLING ON A PRIVATE PLACEMENT BASIS TO BANKS, WE WOULD SUGGEST IS PUT IN THERE THAT THE COUNTY DESIRES TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PREPAY AT ANY TIME, BEGINNING EITHER A YEAR OR TWO AFTER ISSUANCE.
AND IF BANKS WEREN'T WILLING TO OFFER THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'D EITHER DISQUALIFY THE BID OR THEY WOULDN'T.
BUT, UH, AS TOM AND I INDICATED, WHAT WE SEE IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THE BANKS THAT DO FINANCE AND BUY THESE TYPES OF ISSUES THAT ARE WILLING TO ALLOW PREPAYMENT, UH, AT ANY TIME OPTIONAL BY THE COUNTY.
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A CUSTOMARY TO ADD INTO THAT, UH, THAT PHRASE, UH, ABOUT THE PREPAYMENT? THERE'D BE NO PENALTY FOR THE PREPAY.
THAT'S WOULD STATE THAT IT WOULD JUST THAT CUSTOM LARGE COMMERCIAL FOR THE PRINCIPAL AND ACCRUED INTEREST TO THAT DATE.
THE, UH, OTHER QUESTION I HAD THAT SLIPPED MY MIND, I HAD IT RIGHT ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE, AND SO I'LL THINK OF IT HERE IN A SECOND.
WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, I GOT ONE QUESTION.
UH, THE BOND ISSUES, HERE'S FOR 3,670,000.
AND I'M THINKING THE PROGRAM THEY JUST PASSED HERE WAS 3,000,600, 3000.
THAT WAS THE NUMBER I GAVE GEORGE, JUST FOR ESTIMATED PURPOSES.
AND I WOULD, THAT WAS RLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS, BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF OUR NUMBERS MAY BE REDUCED.
UH, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT NEED AS MUCH EQUIPMENT AS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF THE TOP END OF IT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY AND WORKING, UH, WITH OUR AUDITOR AND WITH, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OF THESE RADIOS,
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UH, THAT PARTICULARLY, UH, UH, IN THE COURTHOUSE THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO PAY FOR OUT OF ANOTHER FUND.THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND WOULD JUST PAY UP FRONT FOR THOSE, JUST PURCHASE THOSE UP FRONT.
UH, BUT THAT WHICH ONE MIGHT BE REDUCED.
SO WE'D HAVE THIS REALLY DOWNSIZE, UH, PROPORTIONATELY THE ISSUE.
SO THAT'LL GIVE, IT GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW MANY RADIOS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, UH, PURCHASE AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THE NUMBER MAY BE, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, SOME LESS THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT.
WE INDICATED HERE, THIS, THIS 3.2% INTEREST RATE ON 12 YEAR, UH, NOTE, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT PRETTY WELL SOLID AS FAR AS THE PROJECTED INTEREST RATES AS WITH THE FUEL PRICES AND, UH, COMMODITY MARKETS GOING DOWN? EVERYTHING? UH, I DID READ A REPORT LAST FRIDAY THAT, UH, INDICATED THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THE INTEREST RATES COULD FALL A LITTLE MORE SO.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL, IS THAT Y'ALL'S PROJECTING AS 3.2? THAT'S, THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
LIKE I SAID, UH, RATES WERE TO STAY LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.
I WOULD HOPE THAT 12 YEARS WOULD BE LOWER THAN THAT AND IF WERE 15 WOULD BE WAY BELOW THREE 50, BUT ANYTIME HIGH SIDE INSTEAD OF LOW.
UH, SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET PULLED THE OTHER WAY.
BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE BIDS FROM BANKS COME IN EVEN MORE FAVORABLE AS SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT RATES UP BETWEEN.
OTHER QUESTIONS OF, UH, GEORGE, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON ANYTHING TODAY, I DON'T BELIEVE OTHER THAN, UH, JUST LETTING THE COURT HEAR WHAT THE OBJECTIONS ARE.
AND I KNOW WHENEVER WE SOLD THE FIRST ISSUE ON THE, UH, UH, ROAD BONDS, UH, THEY CAME IN QUITE A BIT BELOW WHAT WE HAD ESTIMATED, I THINK, AND I KNOW THAT'S GOOD BUSINESS TO, UH, PROJECT ON THE UPPER END WITH THE IDEA THAT MAYBE WE'LL GET A BETTER RATE.
HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD BE THE JUDGE.
UH, AS FAR AS CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, THERE, A SINGLE ACTION TYPE PREVENTION ACCOUNTANT TAX NOTICE.
THE ONLY THING TODAY OR SOON AFTER TODAY IS IF YOU JUST SAY, YES, WE WANNA PROCEED WITH EVERYTHING KIND OF IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCESS AND TIMING WE FIND OUT, THEN WE'LL GET ALL OF THAT, UH, UNDERWAY.
BUT THERE'S NO REAL FORMAL MENT PRIOR TO THE COURT TODAY.
IT'LL BE, IF WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, LIKE I SAID, THE FEBRUARY 9TH WOULD BE THE POINT IN TIME THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, ACTUAL ORDER AUTHORIZING ISSUANCE AND APPROVING SALE THERE BE BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE TO COURT.
AND THAT WOULD BE BY THE FEBRUARY 9TH? YES, SIR.
A REGULAR MEETING OF THE COURT? YES, SIR.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DISREGARD, GEORGE, ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED, UH, FROM US? UH, NO, SIR.
UH, JUST REALLY, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ANSWERING PROCESS, UH, I'D BE GLAD TO, UH, HANG AROUND UNTIL YOU ALL GET THROUGH.
CAN I ASK, GEORGE, CAN YOU EMAIL ME THE INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S A SEVEN YEAR THING, OR YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO GET AN OPINION, TO BE ABLE TO GO PAST THE, THE SEVEN YEARS ON FINANCING.
COULD YOU SEND ME HOW Y'ALL, WELL, THAT'S JUST ON TAX NOTES.
THEY, THEY'RE SPECIFIC INSTRUMENTS LIMITED TO SEVEN YEARS OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION, AND IT PROCEEDS, TAX AUTHORIZATION IS FOR ONLY PERSONAL PROPERTY LONGER TERM, BUT I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH STATUTE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER, UH, FIVE.
HOW DO YOU WANT ITEM NUMBER FOUR? UH, WELL, IT DOES HAVE A DISCUSS AND ACT ON FINANCING OPTIONS.
UH, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY NEED AN ACTION ON THAT.
WE CAN JUST, UH, DISCUSS IT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK ON THE FEBRUARY 9TH MEETINGS.
WE JUST NEED, WE'RE NOT TAKE ANY ACTION FROM YOU EITHER TODAY OR WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS TO YES.
GO AHEAD AND PROCEED AND THEN WE'LL GET EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD SINCE WE OKAY.
UH, SO WE'LL JUST, WE JUST TAKE ANY ACTION ON THE DISCUSSED IT.
AND LET ME, BEFORE WE MOVE BEYOND THAT, THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF OUR PROJECT ON THE RADIO SYSTEM, 9 1 1 CENTER, UH, LET'S REALLY GET
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IN THE MOLD TO GET THESE ARRANGEMENTS ALL FINISHED WITH OUR CITIES AS SOON AS WE CAN.SO THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY IN WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE, WHO'S GOING TO PARTICIPATE AND WHO'S NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE.
UH, I WOULD REITERATE THAT WE ALREADY DISPATCH FOR A NUMBER OF OUR SMALLER COMMUNITIES, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE FOR THEM.
AND I THINK MANY OF THEM UNDERSTAND THIS.
UH, BUT WE REALLY DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON GETTING THAT DONE.
AND COMMISSIONER NIK IS CORRECT IN THAT, UH, THAT WE DO NEED TO GET THAT DONE.
I BELIEVE IN THE INTEGRITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO THAT, PARTICULARLY FROM TERRY AND KAUFMAN, THAT THEY WILL PARTICIPATE, BUT IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL UNTIL WE SEE THE NAME ON THE DOTTED LINE.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY FULLY INTEND ON DOING THAT.
NUMBER FIVE IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF CEDAR CREEK LAKE FOR ANIMAL SHELTER, UH, CENTER.
I PROVIDED YOU WITH A LETTER THAT, UH, WE RECEIVED, UH, UH, LAST WEEK.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY, BUT CEDAR CREEK LAKE OR NOT.
IS THERE, IS THERE SOMEONE REPRESENTING, UH, SEA CREEK LAKE HUMAN MAIN SOCIETY? UH, WE MORE OR LESS, UH, LEMME LETTER AGAIN.
WE MORE OR LESS RECEIVED A, UH, YOU GOT BLOOD PRESSURE.
AND, UH, WE GOTTA KIND OF BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THIS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO CARRY OUR ANIMALS IN THE SHORT TERM.
BUT, UH, I KNOW, UH, PAM IS NOT HERE THIS WEEK, AND I DO KNOW, UH, PAM HAS REACHED OUT TO SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO HELP US ON A, UH, UH, SHORT TERM BASIS UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH SOMETHING WITH, UH, UH, THE, UH, HUMANE SOCIETIES.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, UH, IS, IS THAT EFFECT, UH, JANUARY THE FIRST, 2015, ANY ANIMALS, SMALL ANIMALS THAT WE PICK UP, THAT THERE WILL BE A, UH, PER ANIMAL FEE OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER ANIMAL AS COMPARED TO, I BELIEVE CURRENT PAY 65.
I BELIEVE THAT KIND OF LEAVES US IN A, IN A BIND AS FAR AS HAVING A PLACE TO CARRY THE ANIMALS.
BUT, UH, MAN, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOUR YEARS.
YOU KNOW, IT GOES UP, GOES DOWN LONGER THAN THAT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE HAD LIKE A 75,000 CONTRACT, 65, I BELIEVE 60.
IT HAD WENT UP TO 75 AND 80 AND WE CUT IT BACK TO 65.
AND JUDGE WOOD GAVE ME THOSE NUMBERS FOR WE DON'T HAVE, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT.
YEAH, WE DO, BUT IT IS A 30 DAY OUT, I BELIEVE IN THE CONTRACT NOW.
BUT WHAT, WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, UH, ON, IF IT'S ON A PER ANIMAL BASIS, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S UP TO, UH, I MEAN IT, IF WE CARRIED A HUNDRED ANIMALS, IT'S 6,500, I MEAN $650 AND WHAT'S HAPPENED, THERE ARE ANIMALS THAT WE'VE BEEN CARRYING, UH, TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY HAS BEEN MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THEY HAD ANTICIPATED TO BE.
AND SO THE OVERALL COST TO THE BUDGET, BECAUSE OF THE REDUCED NUMBERS OF ANIMALS, IT MAY NOT EXCEED THE 65,000 THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
IT'S JUST THE COST FOR HUNDRED BUCKS AN ANIMAL.
UH, SO HOW MANY ANIMALS ARE WE DOING? HOW MANY PICKING UP? I DON'T HAVE, HAVE BEEN SHORT ONE ANIMAL CONTROL PERSON.
SO IT'S, ANY NUMBER I'D GIVE YOU WOULD BE SKEWED RIGHT NOW.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE AT THIS POINT.
DO YOU KNOW, BRIAN? NO, IT'S THE SAME WAY.
HE'S GOT AN OFFICER THAT WE WE'RE DOWN ONE OFFICER, SO IT'S TRUE.
UNTIL WE GET BOTH OF 'EM WORKING AGAIN.
PAM, PAM CARTER GAVE YOU A REPORT IF IT WASN'T LAST COMMISSIONER'S COURT? IT WAS PRIOR.
AND THAT OUR NUMBERS HAD WENT WAY DOWN BECAUSE OF HER.
SHE, BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, SHE, SHE CREATED THAT FACEBOOK ACCOUNT AND STARTED SHOWING THESE DOGS AND THE, THE DIFFERENT ANIMALS AND PEOPLE'S BEEN ADOPTED THEM.
SEE OUR SPAY AND N PROGRAM MM-HMM
OF COURSE, BEEN WORKING ON FOUR YEARS, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT, PUSHING IT, PUSHING IT.
WELL FINALLY IT'S, IT STARTED TO TAKE EFFECT.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, YOU KNOW, I WISH WE HAD ANOTHER PLACE TO GO WITH THOSE, WITH THESE ANIMALS.
BECAUSE BOY, TELL YOU WHAT, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SENT THAT LETTER OUT, I JUST, IT JUST RUBBED ME WRONG.
YOU KNOW, I CAN'T BECAUSE WE'RE OUR, WE'RE OUR, WE'RE OUR, THEIR ONLY SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FUNDRAISERS.
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IN COURT THAT HE WAS TIRED OF HAVING FUNDRAISERS TO MAKE THEIR DAY TO DAY DEAL.WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I DON'T LIKE 'EM COMING TO US.
SAY, WELL, THE PRICE IS A HUNDRED BUCKS OR, OR IN 30 DAYS, TAKE SOME, TAKE 'EM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WELL WOULD BE 15 DAYS, YOU KNOW? WELL, THEY HAVE A 30 DAY OUT FOR A YEAH, BECAUSE SEE WHEN YOU UH, WHEN, UH, UH, UH, MARCH AND APRIL AND MAY COME AROUND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU PICK UP, BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHERIFF, IF YOU GO PICKING UP 80 OR 90 DOGS AND CATS KITTENS, WE AND YOU CARRY 'EM DOWN THERE AND THEY CHARGE YOU A HUNDRED BUCKS A POT FOR 'EM.
OR YOU TAKE A MOM AND CAT AND FIVE KITTENS.
WHERE DOES HENDERSON COUNTY DOESN'T SUPPORT CEDAR CREEK.
THEY SUPPORT ANOTHER SHELTER DOWN THERE.
THEY SUPPORT CEDAR CREEK A LITTLE, LITTLE, BUT THEY SUPPORT THE ONE THAT'S IN AG.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? SUPPORT THE ONE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO HANDLE ANYMORE.
MOST THINGS, EVERYBODY'S MAX OUT.
THEY OPERATE AT PEAK CAPACITY.
WHEN WE WERE AROUND TALKING, BRIAN AND I AND MISS COREY WENT AROUND TO THE MEES AND ALL THAT BUNCH UP THERE AND CEDAR HILL AND WHERE ALL WOULD WE GO? BRIAN? CEDAR HILL.
YEAH, WE JUST WENT ALL, WE WENT ALL OVER PLACES AND WE ASKED HIM, YOU KNOW, SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANY ROOM? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE PLACE TO, TO PUT SOME OF THESE TO AND WASN'T EVEN CLOSE TO GO WITH.
EVERYBODY WAS MAXED OUT DALLAS RIGHT THERE IN MESQUITE.
THEY WAS MAXED OUT, WEREN'T THEY? FACILITY? YEAH, THEY 50 MILLION, MILLION FACILITY ABOUT TWO YEARS.
YOU KNOW, I JUST HATE FOR 'EM TO BE ABLE TO SEND IT, CALL THE COUNTY A LETTER AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, GOING UP FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS PIECE, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT IF THEY CHARGE US A HUNDRED DOLLARS A PIECE AND THEY CAN'T MAKE IT ON THAT? THEN THEY GO DOWN.
THEN WHERE ARE WE? JUDGE WOOD? YES.
Y'ALL SIGNED THIS CONTRACT DECEMBER, 2013.
IT'S FROM JANUARY TO DECEMBER OF 2014.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH A LETTER.
SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE RIGHT NOW THOUGH, OTHER THAN TO, UH, PAY WHATEVER THEY'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE CAN DO SOMETHING.
WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A PLACE TO CARRY OUR ANIMALS.
AND I KNOW PAM IS WORKING WITH THE GROUP IN DALLAS MAYBE, THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, ENTER INTO SOME SORT OF SHORT TERM AGREEMENT ON, WE HELP US OUT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT IT'LL NOT BE A LONG TERM SOLUTION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ONE BIBLE SOLUTION, WE COULD FIND A NONPROFIT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS WE DO.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHO SHE'S WITH.
WE HAVE TO RUN A SHELTER JUST LIKE THE RUN THE JAIL ALMOST.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS FOR OFF AND OVER 10 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN IN.
DO WE HAVE ANY BEGINNINGS OF ANY NON-PROFITS IN COLLIN COUNTY? UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, UH, TALKED TO ANYBODY LATER.
YOU KNOW, THE JUDGE AND I TALKED, UH, TO SOME AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE COULD GET, WE HAVE A FACILITY WE COULD CONTRACT WITH THEM AND, AND, AND THEY CAN DO THAT MUCH CHEAPER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE REGULATIONS.
WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS, IS THAT WE, OUR BEST GOAL MAY BE TO TIE OURSELVES IN SOME WAY WITH THE SPA NEW CENTER AND GRANT, TRY TO PARTNER WITH THEM SOMEHOW ON SOME SORT OF A PARTNERSHIP.
PLUS THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP IN DALLAS COUNTY THAT SHE'S TALKING TO.
PARDON ME FOR INTERRUPTING, JUDGE.
MOST OF ALL GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, MOST OF ALL THE DONATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE ALL FOR NO KILL SHELTERS.
IF YOU ARE EUTHANIZING ANIMALS, THEY WANT DONATE TO YOU.
YOU CAN'T GET A GRANT FOR BRICKS AND MORTAR OR WHATEVER.
SO, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S KNOWN BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS THE NO KILL.
THEY MAY SAY GET ANIMALS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT DOWN.
THEY MAY SAY THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T.
THEY HAVE TO IZE A CERTAIN, IT IS A, IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, COME TO RESOLUTION.
BUT ON THE SHORT TERM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD, UH, TRY TO GO AHEAD AND WORK WITH THEM FOR WEEKS UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING ELSE IN PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS, I CAN TAKE IT UP ON A PART-TIME BASIS OR SOMETHING.
NO, I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORS AROUND PRECINCT ONE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
WELL, ONE OF THE OUTGOING GUYS, TOM, YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN OPENING UP.
YOU NEED TO START A NON-PROFIT ANIMAL
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SHELTER.YOU HAVE A DAIRY BARN WE CAN CONVERT? NO SIR.
THAT'S A PORK PRODUCTION FACILITY.
UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
THE TIME BEING UNTIL WE CAN COME BACK WITH A MORE VIABLE PLAN HERE AS SOON AS WE CAN.
WELL, I DON'T, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THIS FOR THE TIME BEING ON A, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S JUST A TEMPORARY, UH, JOHN, YOU GOT ANY THOUGHT? I I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPOT ON AS TO YOUR PROBLEM ON JANUARY 1ST.
YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO TAKE THEM.
AND SO, UM, YOU EITHER CAN REJECT THIS ENTIRELY OR THIS OFFER, WHICH IS OPEN ENDED.
YOU CAN MAKE IT A MONTH TO MONTH.
SO YOU ON A SHORT, ON SOME, SOME SOLUTION TO IT.
SHERIFF, WHEN THE GUYS, I KNOW ONE GUY DOWN, BUT WHEN HE IS PICKING HIM UP, SAY HE PICKS UP A DOG AT UH, 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, HE HAS TO TAKE THAT DOG TO THE SHELTER.
DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF WEATHER WE'RE, IF IT'S HIM LIKE THIS, WE CAN HAUL AROUND LONG, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE COULD GET HIM.
MAYBE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GOT TWO OR THREE CALLS, YOU KNOW.
BUT HISTORICALLY, I MEAN HE HISTORIC TAKES WE GOTTA EVERY DAY.
AND WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES OUT THERE THAT OVER THE WEEKEND ON EMERGENCY WE CAN HOLD THEM, BUT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
WE, WE, WE DO OUR OWN EMERGENCY.
IF WE HAVE ONE THAT WE HAVE TO PICK UP AND THIS DOG OR WHATEVER, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM, THEM.
SO, WELL I, UH, ACCEPT THE, THE DEAL FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN ANIMAL ON A 30 DAY, MONTH TO MONTH BASIS.
AND WE WILL IN THE MEANTIME WORK, UH, OR WE'LL, I'LL SEND THEM A LETTER, UH, STATING THAT, UH, BUT THAT'S THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE TO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
A OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER SIX IS TO DISCUSS ACT ON REAPPOINTING.
MARK SMITH, TRISHA SMITH, CHUCK CARPENTER.
AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DELETE, UH, SONNY GROSS, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE, UH, TO EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER THREE FOR TWO YEAR TERMS. HAVE THAT FORM OF A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES THAT MOTION.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS ON AN ACT ON APPOINTED COUNTY COURT AT LAW NUMBER TWO, JUDGE LEG BOBBY RICH AS THE KAUFMAN COUNTY LAW LIBRARY.
UH, JUDGE LEWIS, WHO HAS BEEN, UH, ACTING AS THE KAUFMAN COUNTY LAW LIBRARY, UH, PERSON HAS SUBMITTED HIS RESIGNATION.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT EFFECTIVE DECEMBER THE 31ST.
AND THIS WILL JUST SIMPLY TO TRANSFER THAT RESPONSIBILITY OVER TO UH, UH, JUDGE RICH.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM YOUR COMMISSIONER MENS.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE SECOND MOTION.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF TAAL FOR REPAIR.
I'VE PROJECT CITY OF NEEDS, UM, ASSISTANCE IN SOME MORE OR LESS EMERGENCY POTHOLE REPAIR.
AND, UH, AS STATED THERE IT IS ESTIMATED, UH, 80 TONS OF SSM HOT MIX, 10 HOURS OF GRADE WORK, 10 HOURS OF ALL WORK.
TWO, FLAG FOR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER FOR A PRICE OF 72 20.
AND I HAVE APPROVED BY THE, UH, MAYOR PENDING THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT.
THE GET APPROVED, THE TIMING ON IT, IT'S TIGHT.
I SAID IT'S KIND OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
THE WEATHER HAS, UH, PUT THEM IN.
SO I, I HURRY TO GET IT ON HERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T START EARLY ENOUGH TO BE APPROVED BY THEIR CITY COUNCIL FIRST.
BUT I HAVE SIGNATURE OF MAYOR AND AS IT STATED, CITY COUNCIL.
UH, YOU FORM MOTION? YES, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONER LIK, UH, MOVES TO APPROVE THE PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF TA FOR ROAD REPAIR.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? AND, UH, TO HAVE A MEETING, TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF COMMISSIONER.
MR. MANNING MAKES THAT MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, CLARK? YEAH.
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MOTION? I DO.THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE.