* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WELCOME YOU THIS MORNING TO A REGULAR MEETING OF THE DALTON COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. IT'S MONDAY, FEBRUARY THE NINTH, AND WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE YOU IN ATTENDANCE THAT ARE HERE TODAY. UH, WE WILL IN WITH OUR IMPLICATION HERE JUST IN A MOMENT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCES TO BOTH OF OUR FLAGS. AND THEN, UH, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE AND YOU'VE NOT DONE SO, PLEASE SIGN IN IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT HERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MO, BEGINNING OF THE, UH, THE MEETING. SO IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME NOW STANDING PRAYER ON THE FATHER. LORD, THANK YOU FOR TODAY. WE THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, BEAUTIFUL WEATHER THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED US. THANK YOU FOR THE RAIN THAT YOU'VE SENT IN RECENT DAYS. LORD, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE, UH, GREAT, UH, FOLKS IN THE HAVE WORK FOR OUR COUNTY. UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS GROUP OF COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, STUDY AND LOOK AT THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY AND TRY TO MAKE THE BEST INFORMED DECISION THEY CAN MAKE. LORD, NONE OF US ARE PERFECT AND WE KNOW THAT WE ARE ONLY, UH, SAVED BY YOUR AMAZING GRACE. WE PRAY NOW THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THIS MEETING, UH, THAT YOU'LL CAUSE US ALL TO BE GOOD LISTENERS AND TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE MATTERS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED TODAY. THESE THINGS WE ASKED, NOT SON'S HOLY NAME, AMEN. AMEN TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. DRAW, HONOR, HONOR ONE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE DAY UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVIDUAL. AMEN. I THINK WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNING UP TO, UH, SPEAK TO THE COURT AND I THINK WHILE THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, GENTLEMEN, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, THAT INCLUDES ITEM NUMBER A ACCEPTANCE OF MEETING MINUTES FOR JANUARY THE 12TH, 2015, AND JANUARY 26TH 15. ITEM B IS TO DISCUSS CONSIDER AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF KEMP AND THE CITY OF WASSER PAROLE MAINTENANCE. C IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING DEDICATION OF MITCHELL L PLEO, F ESPINOZA, KEVIN SHAW, SAMUEL CARTER, CODY BLYTHE, AND THE AARON CHENEY FOR THE KAMAN COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT D IS TO CONSIDER, UH, DISCUSS APPROVING ALLOCATIONS OF THE FAMILY PROTECTION FEE TO LONE STAR CASA KAMAN COUNTY CHILDREN'S, A SHELTER, EMERGENCY SHELTER, THE GENESIS CENTER AND THE KAMAN COUNTY CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER AND EQUAL SHARES. UH, E IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REVIEWING, UH, OUR MEMBERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY JUDGES AND COMMISSIONERS ASSOCIATION OF TEXAS AND PAYING THOSE DUES. F IS TO, UH, CONSIDER AND DISCUSS ACCEPTING RESIGNATION OF JEFFREY DAVIS APPOINTING MATH. MATTHEW EMAN TO EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER ONE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, AND G IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPOINTING MARK MATTHEWS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER ONE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, REPLACING CHARLIE FOX, WHO HAS RESIGNED. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT ITEM F AND G? UH, ARE TO BOTH OF THOSE OR TO FULFILL UNEXPIRED TWO YOUR TIME? OKAY. YEAH, THEY WERE VACANCY THAT WE HAD TO FILL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CLARIFICATION [00:05:01] QUESTIONS? NOT I'D A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT AS, UH, READ I MAKE WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER? LIK DO WE HAVE SECOND, SECOND. COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS SECOND. A MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, I THINK WE DO HAVE THE, UH, SIGN IN SHEETS NOW. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO CONDUCT THAT BUSINESS. UH, FIRST IS, UH, RONNIE DAVIS, WHO IS, UH, UH, HERE TO DISCUSS THE, UH, FROM KAUFMAN, BY THE WAY, IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE, UH, RADIO, UH, PROPOSAL OR THE FUNDING OF THE RADIO CONTRACT. RONNIE, DO YOU WANNA WAIT FOR THAT ITEM COMES UP OR DO YOU WANNA COME ON NOW? IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME ON NOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, IF YOU'D COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND, UH, UH, WE APPRECIATE HEARING FROM YOU. I APPRECIATE TIME AND EFFORT WITH ALL THIS, AND I KNOW WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS AND GOT EVERYTHING BASICALLY APPROVED. WE JUST HOPE THAT YOU GO AHEAD WITH THE FUNDING OF THIS. UH, THIS IS VERY NEEDED FOR THE, UH, FIRST RESPONDERS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AND MUCH NEEDED EQUIPMENT. AND NOT ONLY WILL THIS, UH, COMPLEX OUT HERE THAT WE JUST FOUND OUT AND WILL ALSO HELP OUR DEPARTMENT ALONG THE OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE OF THEIR INSURANCE RATINGS WILL GET LOWERED BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNICATION CENTER BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING. HAVE MORE CALL TAKERS AND WHATNOT OUT THERE TO DO IT SO WE CAN GET BETTER INSURANCE CREDIT WITH THE INSURANCE SERVICE OFFICE, UH, WITH THAT LOWER, BECAUSE WE JUST, WE'RE A CLASS FOUR CITY RIGHT NOW AND OUR OUTSIDE PROTECTION AGENCY AND WE CAN POSSIBLY GET LOWER TO A TWO, UH, WITH THIS. SO THIS WILL NOT ONLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ALSO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS. WE SEIZE SUBSTANTIAL INSURANCE SAVINGS, UH, WITH THAT, WITH THOSE LOWER INSURANCE RATINGS. UH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR, UH, WHY WE WANT TO DO IT. UH, NOT, NOT JUST THAT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY OF FIRST RESPONDERS. SO WE HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATIONS WITH ALL OF THEM, WHICH RIGHT NOW. OKAY, THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY WE DO HAVE A THREE MINUTE, UH, LIMIT ON THE REMARKS THAT ARE MADE HERE. UH, AND WE DO ASK THAT REMARKS BE RESPECTFUL AND NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES NOT OCCUR. BUT WE DO, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS. JIMMY WEAVER IS HERE AND I BELIEVE, UH, MR. WEAVER, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ITEM SIX OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL ITEM SIX OR DO YOU WISH TO COME ON NOW? I DO. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO, UH, BRING EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, THE PUBLIC AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT. I WAS IN A MEETING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE AND PHILLIPS THREE WEEKS AGO, AND ONE THING THAT IN THAT MEETING IS THAT, UH, SOME OF THE 9 1 1 MONEY THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING TO THE STATE, UH, SEE, UH, SENATOR HALL IS TRYING TO GET THAT MONEY BACK SO THAT HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY BONDS AND INCREASE TAXES TO PAY FOR THIS EXPENDITURE. AS FAR AS THE REST OF IT, I'M NEUTRAL AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF, BUT, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW IN THE PUBLIC THAT SENATOR HALL IS TRYING TO GET SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK WITH THE RESOLUTION. AND NEXT WEEK I'LL BE DOWN THERE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT IS JULIE JOSIE, UH, WHO ALSO WISHES TO ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER SIX. DO YOU WANT DO THAT NOW? MAY I ADDRESS IT WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP? SURE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. DON LINDSEY IS HERE FROM CAROL TO ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER SIX. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING WITH CAR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. JUST ONE MORE TIME. NEED THIS BIG SAFETY THING FOR US. WE'VE GOT PARTS, OURS TERRITORY WE COVER. WE CANNOT TALK TO THE COUNTY UNLESS WE GO BACK TO OUR ENGINE. AND SO IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY INJURED ON THE FIRE GROUND WITHOUT THE PROPER RADIO SYSTEM, WE'RE ENDANGERING THE FIRES LAPS UP IN OUR THANK YOU. THANK YOU DONALD. NEXT IS RICKY MEYER, WHO HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE RADIO. THANK Y'ALL FOR ALLOWING US TO COME TODAY. THIS RADIO SYSTEM A SAFETY FACTOR. WE REALLY NEED THIS. THE RADIO SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW, THEY'RE JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK LIKE IT NEEDS TO, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET JUST PASSED FOR LIFE SAFETY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS MORNING. UH, LARRY ROSA, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX. LARRY, DO YOU WANT TO COME NOW? DO YOU WANT TO WAIT? I'D RATHER WAIT, PLEASE. OKAY. UH, RICK, UH, JACKSON, ITEM NUMBER SIX. I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT ALSO. OKAY. UH, JOHN COOK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, AS DOES THE REST OF THEM. OKAY. WAIT. THANK YOU. ROSEANNE. [00:10:01] MARA HERE FOR, UH, CONCERNING, UH, BEDROOM CLAIM. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER. MORNING JUDGE. I'M HERE AGAIN. YOU KNOW, SAME ISSUE. WE'RE ASKING THAT LANE BE TYPE INTO THE COUNTY MAINTENANCE SYSTEM FOR THE AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH MR. ROW. WE TALKED, MR. AND I SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH COMMISSIONER ROSA AT THE LAST COMMISSION BEFORE THE LAST COMMISSION, SORRY. AND HE SAID HE WOULD SET UP A MEETING WITH US AND PUT ON THE AGENDA, BUT OF COURSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HIM. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A ROAD THAT'S TRAVELED BY THE PUBLIC TO OUR INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS. WE'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TRYING TO MAINTAIN, BEEN PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BEFORE. AND, UH, WE'RE, WE CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY ON IT AND WE JUST REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO WORK WITH US GETTING THIS RIGHT INTO THE COUNTY. WE'RE WILLING TO PAY OUR PART LIKE WE'D AGREED WITH MR. ROW AND WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR GRAB THE ROAD HAS NO, NO BRIDGES CUL LIKE THE GRAVEL ROAD, JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT, THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO HIS SAND, THAT THAT'S A GRAVEL ROAD THAT'S RATED, YOU KNOW, NICE AND SMOOTH TO GET TO THE GRAVEL PIT, A ROCKET, WHATEVER IT IS DOWN THERE ON RED FOX ROAD. AND IF ANY OF YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE DOWN RED FOX ROAD, YOU COULD MAYBE UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, BUT WE REALLY NEED MR. LIK TO WORK WITH US AND WE'D LIKE THE COURT TO SOMEHOW ENCOURAGE HIM TO PUT ON THE AGENDA AND SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 'CAUSE WE'RE TAXPAYERS AND WE, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING FREE. WE WANT TO DO OUR PART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JUDGE, I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT EXCEPT TO SAY, UH, THE DA'S OFFICE HAS LOOKED INTO SOME ISSUES REGARDING, WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL BE SENDING A LETTER OUT, UH, TO COMMISSIONER ZA JUST KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO THIS ISSUE. WE'LL SEND A COPY TO THE COURT AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU, JUDGE. NEXT IS, UH, RAY MYERS AND LEVI ON COUNTY INVOLVEMENT OR CITY INVOLVEMENT. ITEM SIX. ITEM SIX. OKAY. THANK YOU JUDGE. AND, UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE IN SUPPORT, UH, OF SA OF, OF KAMAN COUNTY SAFETY AND SECURITY TOO. AND, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WE, WE CAN, UH, WORK ON THAT EQUIPMENT AND GET THAT, GET THAT, UH, UH, ESTABLISHED. BUT WE ARE CONCERNED, AND I HOPE THAT COMMISSIONERS, UH, BRING UP THE POINTS OF THE, UH, CITIES, THE MUTUAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITIES THAT WE, UH, THAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN IN PREVIOUS, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS. I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ITEM COMES UP WHERE WE CAN HEAR WHAT THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE AND HOW MANY ARE INVOLVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. AND NEXT IS, UH, TAYLOR LARSON. TAYLOR, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. WE GOT A SPOKESPERSON WITH YOU DIDN'T DO MUCH TALKING, BUT I'M TAYLOR, AND THIS IS MY DAUGHTER AND HAVE AN CHILD. CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. AND, UM, WHERE WE LIVE OFF OF LANE AND, UM, UP AND DOWN THE DRIVEWAY OR THE DRIVE THE ROAD AND LIKE EVERY TIME WE GO DOWN IT, IT'S ALWAYS FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING OUT MY CAR AND EVERY TIME IT RAINS, I ALWAYS HAVE TO CALL IN BECAUSE MY CAR CAN'T GET DOWN THE ROAD. SO, BUT I HAVE AN EMERGENCY WITH MY KIDS. IT'S REALLY HARD. YEAH. THANK YOU, TAYLOR. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE SIGNED UP. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, WHICH IS, UH, BRIAN BEAVERS WHO'S GOING TO, UH, PRESENT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S RACIAL FO PROFILING REPORT, UH, FOR THE, UH, CALENDAR YEAR 2014. GOOD MORNING JUDGE COMMISSION. APOLOGIZE FOR THE SHERIFF OUT TODAY. BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE EXTEND OUR RACIAL PROFILING FOR SENATE BILL 10 74. UH, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT VERY FIRST, UH, TAB ONE IS A SUMMARY, A ROUGH SUMMARY OF EXACTLY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. WE DO TIER TWO REPORTING. THERE'S TIER ONE AND TIER TWO, WE DO TIER TWO REPORTING. SO THIS IS, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE COLLECT AND THE DATA, WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF DATA HERE AND STUFF YOU CAN LOOK OVER, BUT WE DID A LITTLE OVER 3,586 TRAFFIC STOP AND WE NEVER GOT A COMPLAINT. AND YOU, YOU LOOK TO THE DATA, WE BREAK IT DOWN, WE COMPARE, UH, THE CONTACTS OF CITIZENS WITH THE DATA OF OUR CENSUS, THAT WAY WE CAN GET APPLES [00:15:01] TO APPLES INSTEAD OF THE TRAVELING PUBLIC EVERY STOP ALSO. SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE. I, WE SUBMITTED CODE AS REQUIRED UNDERNEATH LAW. MAKE SURE SHE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER. CHIEF DEPUTY LOOKS LIKE EXCELLENT REPORT. VERY COMPREHENSIVE. THE ONLY PROBLEM I CAN SEE IS LOOK LIKE WE'RE PICKING ON CAUCASIANS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RELATION FILING COURT? MR. SHANE MAKES THAT MOTION. MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF SAY A, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER COMBINING A MONTHLY TRAVEL ALLOWANCE, UH, TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SECOND REGULAR CHECK THAT GOES OUT EACH MONTH. THIS IS FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT RECEIVE, UH, A TRAVEL ALLOWANCE. AND IT'S LAURIE LLOYD HERE. I KNOW SHE, UH, YEAH, SEE IF SHE'S, IF NOT, WE'LL SKIP OVER THIS AND COME BACK HERE. OKAY, GOOD. IT'S ALRIGHT. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. CONCERNING COMBINING THE MONTHLY TRAVEL ALLOWANCE. I THINK YOU'VE DISCUSSED THIS TO SOME, TO SOME EXTENT, BUT IT IS KIND OF A ADMINISTRATIVE PROBABLY WOULD WORK BETTER FOR US. YES. UM, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE PLAN TO, UM, THE TRAVEL CHECKS ARE INCLUDED IN A SEPARATE CHECK EACH MONTH FOR EMPLOYEE GET A TRAVEL ALLOWANCE. SO WHEN PAYROLL IS PROCESSED, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ONCE A MONTH WHEN WE DO THE TRAVEL, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PAYROLLS THAT HAVE BE PROCESSED. WE'VE GOTTA WRITE TWO DIFFERENT CHECKS. WE'VE GOT TWO, SOME PEOPLE HAVE DIRECT DEPOSITS TO PAY STUFF ON OUR SIDE, ON THE HR MAINTENANCE SIDE, WE HAVE TO ENTER TWO DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THEIR NORMAL EMPLOYEES AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THEIR TRAVEL. SO IT'S KIND OF DUPLICATING EVERYTHING. AND SO I'VE CHECKED WITH OUR, UM, FINANCIAL SOFTWARE AND SHE SAID THAT WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY THAT DOES IT THIS WAY, THE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. SO IT'S REALLY EASY TO SWITCH IT OVER AND PUT IT ALL IN ONE CHECK AND IT WOULD CUT THE, THE TIME OF PUTTING EVERYTHING DOUBLE AND ALL THAT. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DO WE WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE OR NOT. DID I READ SOMETHING TO YOUR MEMO O THAT YOU WOULD WITHHOLD TAXES FROM THE TRAVEL PART? YES. SO THE WAY NOW THAT, UM, THAT TRAVEL IS TAXED, NOW IT'S TAXED MONTHLY. SO SAY YOU GET LIKE A, UH, YOUR TRAVEL CHECK IS $300 A MONTH, UM, THAT'S SO LOW THAT IT'S NOT HIGH ENOUGH FOR TAXES TO COME OUT. SO SAY YOUR REGULAR PAYCHECK'S $2,000, THAT LAST CHECK OF THE MONTH, IT'S NOW GONNA BE $2,300. AND SO TAXES ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT STILL BALANCES OUT, UM, PERSONALLY IT THE WAY IT'LL BALANCE OUT THROUGH THE YEAR AND YOU KNOW, NONAFFECTED TAXES AT THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT IT'S KIND OF A PREFERENCE OF HOW WE WANT TO DO IT. SO WE'VE DISCUSSED RUNNING LIKE A TEST PAYROLL TO KIND OF LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE THEIR TAXES ARE GONNA BE AND THEN THEY CAN ADJUST THEIR RECORDINGS ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN PERSONAL PREFERENCE. YEAH, THE ONLY ONLY THING THAT I CAN SAY WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THE PERSON COULDN'T AFFORD TO TRAVEL AND THEY NEEDED THAT MONEY IF, IF THEY WERE IN A SMALL ENOUGH BRACKET. IF YOU'RE SENDING SOMEBODY IN THE COUNTY THAT GETS TRAVEL MONEY MM-HMM . YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS, THEY WOULD NEED ALL THEIR MONEY BACK. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? PAY THE BILL. THIS IS ONLY TO OUR VEHICLE ALLOWANCE. YES. THIS IS ONLY PERTAINING TO THE EMPLOYEES THAT RECEIVE A TRAVEL ALLOWANCE MONTHLY. THIS IS NOT A REIMBURSEMENT IF THEY GO ONTO A CONFERENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. THAT WILL STILL BE HANDLED. THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE. COMPLETELY SEPARATE. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE YEAR YOU RECEIVE. CORRECT. THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEIR MONEY BACK THAT'S SEPARATE, COMPLETELY SEPARATE THAT THEY WILL STILL DO THAT, UM, ISSUE THEIR REIMBURSEMENT TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. AUDITOR OFFICE WILL ISSUE THEM THE CHECK THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE. THIS IS JUST THE NORMAL TRAVEL ALLOWANCE EMPLOYEES. YOU JUST NEED TO BE AWARE THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE YOUR, YOUR CHECK BECAUSE PERMIT AND THE MEDICAID SOCIAL SECURITY'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THAT. IT YOU DIFFERENT TAX. YEAH, I DON'T, I THAT DIFFERENCE THING SOCIAL SECURITY. WELL, IN, IN A WAY I MS. FLOYD THAT IT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE THE FIRST YEAR I WAS HERE 2012, I GOT A SEPARATE W2 AND I FILED THAT W2 WITH MY REGULAR W2, BUT THE IRS DIDN'T LIKE IT, SO THEY CHARGED ME AN EXTRA $666 BECAUSE OF IT. YEAH. AND [00:20:01] YOU, THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT. SO EMPLOYEES CAN ONLY GET ONE CHECK. THEY WOULD ONLY GET ONE W2 AT THE END OF THE YEAR. IT'LL HAVE ON THEIR TOTAL ON THERE. AND THEN, UM, SO AND THEN YOU'RE TAKING TAXES OUT OF IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. NOW IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR STATEMENT OF YOUR TRAVEL, THERE'S NO TAXES TAKEN OUT IT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LOW, RIGHT? PARDON ME? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO TAKE TAXES OUTTA IT. SO THEN WHEN YOU FILE AN ADDITIONAL $3,000 ON YOUR TAXES, IT KIND OF, YOU GOT TAXES. SO IT'S GONNA BALANCE. SHOULD THE AGENDA ITEM BE REED TO STATE COMBINING MONTHLY VEHICLE ALLOWANCE INSTEAD OF TRAVEL ALLOWANCE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLE? SHE, BOTH OF THEM. JOHN, WOULD THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? I THINK SO. I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS MOSTLY GOING TO MAKE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL I I IT IS NOT FOR TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT. THIS IS NOT EMPLOYEE. WELL WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO REPOST IT. REPOST IT IF THAT'S ONE JOHN. NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO, IT, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY CLEAR. IT'S THE SWITCH ALONG THE WORD. IT'S THE SAME GROUP. IF YOU MAKE THIS PART OF THE MOTION, IF YOU, SO YOU OUT WITH THE WORDING THAT'S CURRENTLY BASED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT. SO WE JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. DO WE ACCEPT THIS? BUT THE PERCEPTION IS TRAVEL INSTEAD CAR INSTEAD OF TRAVEL AND THE MOTION. CAR ALLOWANCE. CAR ALLOWANCE TRAVEL ALLOWANCE. OKAY. THE ATTORNEYS CHECK SAID YES. THAT FINE. SO YOU PUT THAT IN FORM OF MOTION. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECONDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE FOLKS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, IS TOM POLL HERE THIS MORNING? TOM, DO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS ITEM FIVE OR SHOULD WE DISCUSS ITEM SIX FIRST OR DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? LEMME SEE. YOU CAN DO EITHER ONE OF THEM. DO THEM TOGETHER IF YOU WOULD LIKE. OKAY. WELL I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND DO ITEM SIX FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND DO ITEM FIVE AS LONG AS YOU, AS LONG AS WE DO HOLD. SO ITEM SIX IS TO THE CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON AN ORDER, UH, AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS PUBLIC PROPERTY FINANCE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION SERIES 2015 IN THE AMOUNT OF APPROXIMATELY $3.67 MILLION TO FUND ACQUISITION OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE KAUFMAN COUNTY 9 1 1 AND EOC CENTER. AND TO PAY COST OF ISSUANCE, LIVING AN ANNUAL TAX PAYMENT SET OBLIGATIONS, AND ENACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SUBJECT. AND GEORGE, I BELIEVE YOU'RE HERE, GEORGE, WOODFORD. GEORGE, ARE YOU GONNA, YOU GONNA LOOK LIKE GEORGE, YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNED UP THAT'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, THIS ISSUE. BUT, UH, IF YOU WOULD, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF. YOU MAY HAVE SOME HANDOUTS THERE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US AND THEN, UH, WE'LL HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ADAM FULL DISCUSSION. GOOD MORNING JUDGE COMMISSIONERS ERIC MILE WITH FIRST SOUTHWEST COMPANY. UH, I WANTED TO PASS OUT, THERE'S A BRIEF HANDOUT BACK ON JANUARY 8TH. THE COUNTY SOLICITED VARIOUS BANKS, UH, BOTH LOCALLY IN THE REGION AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR POSSIBLE PURCHASE OF 3.67 MILLION PUBLIC PROPERTY FINANCE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. ON JANUARY 30TH, THE COUNTY RECEIVED FIVE BIDS FROM VARIOUS BANKS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THEN THE HANDOUT THERE THAT NEED, YOU NEED, WE, WE CAN KEEP THAT. THERE'S SOME, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE HANDOUT, WE HAD A LIST OF THE BIDDERS WHO RESPONDED. AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK, BANK OF TEXAS, BANK OF AMERICA, REGENTS BANK AND FIRST STATE BANK. [00:25:01] THE LOW BID AS WE WOULD EVALUATE IN TERMS OF TRUE INTEREST COSTS CAME IN AT A 2 0 5 2 0.05% AND THAT WAS AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK. THE COVER BID, THE NEXT BID BANK OF TEXAS, YOU'LL NOTICE IN ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK, BUT ONCE WE FACTOR IN THE COST OF BOTH BANKS BID, UH, THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK CAME IN SLIGHTLY BETTER AFTER FACTOR IN THE COST. ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR, THE THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK BID IS CALLABLE ANY TIME AT PAR. SO STARTING FEBRUARY 15TH, 2016, THE COUNTY CAN REDEEM THOSE OBLIGATIONS AT FAR. LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME INFORMATION GOING ON THAT I HAVE A QUESTION THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THAT. WHAT THAT SEEMS TO MEANS AFTER THE 2016, AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF THE, OF THE BOND, UH, WE CAN START PAYING BOTH BONDS OFF EARLY IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO. CAN IT BE IN ANY AMOUNT, LIKE WITH ONE YEAR WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO PAY AN EXTRA HUNDRED THOUSAND. WE CAN DO THAT AT ANY TIME AFTER 2016, AFTER ONE YEAR. YES, SIR. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WITHOUT PENALTY. WITHOUT PENALTY, YOU'LL REPAY THE PRINCIPLE. THERE'S NO PREMIUM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE BANK OF TEXAS BID DID HAVE A PREMIUM. SO IF THE COUNTY WANTED TO REDEEM A HUNDRED THOUSAND OF THOSE OBLIGATIONS, YOU THEY FROM SOME TYPE OF PERCENTAGE ON TOP OF THAT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK. OKAY. YEP. WITH THAT, I DO YOU HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THE BID? THE FIRST PAYMENT WOULD BE DUE FEBRUARY 15TH, 2016. IT'S A 12 YEAR AMORTIZATION AS SCHEDULED. THERE WILL BE 12 PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS ANNUALLY, BUT AS THE JUDGE MENTIONED, THE COUNTY WOULD'VE THE OPTION TO PAY THOSE OFF FURTHER. WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSING THIS, UH, OR STARTED DISCUSSING THE FINANCING, THIS UH, UH, 9 1 1 CENTER, UH, WE HAD BEEN GIVEN, I THINK GEORGE HAD GIVEN US THREE AND HALF OR 4%, WHICH WAS VERY CONSERVATIVE. HE SAID AT THE TIME, UH, TO RECEIVE THIS KIND OF INTEREST OF 2.5%, UH, DID WE HIT THE MARKET AT THE RIGHT TIME? UH, OR WHAT'S YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT? YES, SIR. I THINK NOW'S A VERY GOOD TIME TO REGARD OUR MONEY AS YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF THE FIXED INCOME MARKETS ARE AT ALL TIME LOWS. BACK IN DECEMBER, OUR MARKET MUNICIPAL BOND INDUSTRY HIT ALL LOWS AND WE HELD THAT THROUGH THE MONTH GAIN WHERE TO THIS POINT AND ON FEBRUARY. SO A VERY GOOD TIME TO BORROW MONEY, WE'LL SAY IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME TO INVEST MONEY IF INTEREST RATE, BUT A GOOD TIME TO LOCK IN THAT RATE. THAT IS A FIXED RATE FOR THE LIFE OF THE OBLIGATIONS. SO THE INTEREST OVER THE FULL 12 YEARS, IF WE DO NOT START TRYING TO WHITTLE AWAY A LITTLE EARLY IS, UH, $505,730. YES. AND IF WE PAY DOWN THAT, IF WE DECIDE WE CAN DECLARE SOME FUNDING, ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO GO TO THAT, OR IF WE GET A GRANT OR WE GET SOME SORT OF REIMBURSEMENT FROM, UH, 9 1 1, THAT MONEY COULD GO TOWARDS THAT, WHICH MEANS THAT'S LESS INTEREST THAT WE WOULD'VE TO PAY QUESTIONS. THIS, UH, TOTAL OUTSTANDING DEBT THAT IT SHOWS ON THE SECOND PAGE, THAT'S OUR CURRENT DEBT. 63,000,004. YES, SIR. THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTY DEBT. AND THIS WOULD, UH, PUT US AT 67,000,006 64,000 ON TOTAL. YES, SIR. AND THAT INCLUDES INTEREST, I'M ASSUMING ALL THAT MATURITY AND NOTHING IS RECEIVED EARLY. THAT'S CORRECT. I ACTUALLY, UH, WENT AND LOOKED THAT UP. AND THE ACTION OF THE PRINCIPAL, I BELIEVE THROUGH, UH, SINCE WE'VE NOT ISSUED ALL OF THE EXISTING ROAD 20 YES, SIR. AT THE END OF 2013. 4 2 9 2 3 IS WHAT WE SHOWED. 42. SO THE NUMBER YOU'RE SHOWING HERE OF 63 MILLION, THAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN IN BOND. YES, SIR. BUT THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS ABOUT 42 MILLION AND PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, BUT WE MAKE A PAYMENT TO US. YES, SIR. AND ACTUALLY FEBRUARY 15TH OF THIS YEAR, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PRINCIPAL PAYMENT MADE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT UNDER 40 MILLION AGGREGATE PRINCIPLE NOT OUTSTANDING AFTER FEBRUARY. YES, SIR. THERE IS A DOCUMENT THAT'S BEING CIRCULATED AROUND THAT SAYS WE HAVE $65 MILLION OF DEBT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. NO, SIR. THE WAY WE LOOK AT DEBT PRINCIPLE OUTSTANDING, FOR EXAMPLE, OWN A HOME, MY MORTGAGE IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS STATE INTEREST, [00:30:02] I BELIEVE STANDARD AND COORS, UH, FROM FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST STARTED IN THIS JOB, AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE AT SOUTHWEST, SORRY, FIRST SOUTHWEST, I'M SORRY, YOUR OLD, UH, WE WERE IN THE RED 1.7 MILLION AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE TRIED TO REFINANCE SOME BONDS, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE R $1.7 MILLION, WE WERE NOT ABLE 1.6 MILLION. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REFINANCE THOSE BONDS BECAUSE OF THE SHAPER. SO WE'VE GONE, I BELIEVE, FROM EITHER A B PLUS OR MAYBE AN A MINUS RATING TO A CURRENT STANDARD COURSE RATING OF UH, A PLUS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND STANDARD REPORTS HAS RECOGNIZED THE COUNTY'S EFFORT TO RESTORE FUND BALANCE AND MOVE UP TO THAT A PLUS LEVEL. OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT IN FOUR YEARS TIME WE RENT THE RED $1.7 MILLION. WE'VE NOW INCREASED THAT TO OVER 1,000,001. I THINK IT'S MILLION FOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LAST TIME. SO WE'RE GETTING OUTTA DEBT. AND IT WASN'T BONDED DEBT, IT WAS JUST GENERAL OPERATING, GENERAL OPERATING DEBT. SO I THINK THAT'S FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE. YES. I THINK BY THE, BY THE NUMBER OF BIDS RECEIVED ON THESE OBLIGATIONS, IT'S INDICATIVE OF BANK SUPPORT WITH AN A PLUS RATING. IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR INDIVIDUAL CREDIT RATINGS CREDIT RATING. YOU HAVE BETTER PRICE YOU GET. YES, SIR. WHAT DO YOU SEE INTEREST RATES DOING IN THE FUTURE IN THE NEXT, UH, MONTH OR MAYBE NOT MONTHS, BUT SIX MONTHS, A YEAR, TWO MONTHS? I KNOW IF EVERYBODY KNEW WE COULD MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, I GUESS ON THAT, WHAT ARE YOUR, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR UNDERWRITER RECEIPT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THE, THE ECONOMISTS AND THOSE THAT WE FOLLOW? I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS SHORT TERM RATES WILL REMAIN LOW, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER OF THIS YEAR. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE FED THAT ALL HINGES FED AND THEIR DECISIONS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO RAISE RATES. BUT GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND THE WORLD AND OIL AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR. UM, WE'VE SEEN A FLIGHT TO QUALITY THROUGH TO THE TREASURY MARKET. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BUYING TREASURY STILL, AND THAT OFTENTIMES FLOWS INTO OUR MARKET BUSINESS. SO I THINK ALL OF THAT COMBINED AT RATES FAIRLY LOW, UH, ALL TIME LOWS, WE WOULD SEE THAT THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE I LET THE, UH, ALLOW THE AUDIENCE WHO SIGNED UP TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? THANK YOU. UH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL ON NOW THE, UH, FOLKS THAT, UH, WANTED TO SPEAK AND, UH, IF I FIND LIST HERE, UH, THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST IS, UH, JUDY JOIE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. AND ACTUALLY, UH, JUDY, THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IF YOU COME FORWARD AND UH, YOU CERTAINLY ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COURT. THANK YOU JUDGE WOOD. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY, ASK YOU TO AS A CONCERNED TAXPAYER TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE FIND ANOTHER WAY OTHER THAN SELLING CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION TO FIND A PURCHASE FOR THE RADIO EQUIPMENT. THIS EQUIPMENT WAS NOT MANDATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS AND NOT A SINGLE COMMISSIONER OF THIS COURT VOTED FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS EQUIPMENT IN THE SPECIAL COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING CALLED ONLY ONE ROUTE PRIOR TO THE NEW COMMISSIONERS TAKING OFFICE. IF THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, THEN WHY WAS THERE NOT A SPECIAL MEETING TO OBTAIN SIGNATURES OF THE CITIES THAT AGREED TO PARTICIPATE LAST YEAR? THE PREVIOUS COURT HAS OBLIGATED THE COUNTY TO OVER $3.67 MILLION AS SPOKEN OF THIS MORNING. AND I ASK THE NEW COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE RECONSIDER IT IS CLEARED BY THE RESOUNDING VOTE OF THE NO CONFIDENCE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE LAST COMMISSIONER'S RACE THAT THE CITIZENS EXPECT AND DEMAND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS COURT. I RESPECTFULLY IMPLORE YOU TO NOT OBLIGATE THE TAXPAYERS FOR YET ANOTHER UN MANDATED AND UNAFFORDABLE EXPENSE. IF THIS PURCHASE IS SO NEEDED, THEN WHY HAVE NONE OF THE CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES SIGNED UP FOR AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AS THEY HAD PLEDGED LAST YEAR TO SERVE THEIR RESIDENTS? THANK YOU. MAY I ANSWER THAT QUESTION TO YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE? THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED BACK FROM THE CITY LEADERS IS THAT THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH DISCUSSION AND SO MUCH NEGATIVE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN RELEASED ABOUT THIS PURCHASE THAT THEY WEREN'T FOR SURE THAT THEY COULD ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT UNTIL THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TOOK ACTION FUNDING. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE TO ME. IT SEEMS LIKE [00:35:01] A NANCY PELOSI. LET'S PASS THE ITEM AND THEN FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT. NO MA'AM. IT'S THE WAY THAT WE DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY. IT'S THE WAY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PROGRAM UP AND GOING. THESE COMMUNITIES, MANY OF THEM WE DISPATCH FOR ALREADY. IN FACT, MOST OF THEM WE DISPATCH FOR ALREADY EXCEPT TERRELL AND KAUFMAN AND THE CITY OF NEY AND THE LEADERSHIP OF THOSE TWO COMMUNITIES, THE CITY OF TERRA, THE CITY OF FORNEY HAVE INDICATED TO ME ON NUMEROUS TIMES AND TO THIS COURT THAT THEY ARE FULLY SUPPORTABLE OF THIS OPERATION AS SOON AS WE GET THE OPERATION UP AND GOING. AND THAT WILL BE WHAT WE'LL BE WORKING ON NEXT. WELL I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT TO YOU JUDGE WOOD, THAT PEOPLE CAN SAY ONE THING AND ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH AND DO SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CITY OF BATAR AND THE CITY OF CALIFORNIA ARE NOT TRUTHFUL? NOT BEING TRUTHFUL? I HAVE FOUND FROM PAST EXPERIENCES THAT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS, UH, LARRY ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. THANK YOU LARRY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS THE COURT. ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR IMPROVED RADIO COMMUNICATIONS IN OUR COUNTY, IT'S NOT MANDATED BY THE STATE BECAUSE THERE'S NO MANDATE, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE TIME FOR THE PLANNING, THE PURCHASE OF THE EQUIPMENT AND FUNDING OF THIS EXPENSE, INCLUDING OBTAIN THE PARTICIPATION OF THE CITIES OF WHICH YOU JUST SPOKE. NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE THEY CAN'T DO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT UNTIL IT'S BEEN PASSED, BUT PERHAPS THEY COULD SIGN A LETTER OF INTENT TO, TO UH, SIGN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ONCE IT IS PASSED. UH, TECHNOLOGY'S INCREASING SO RAPIDLY THAT IF WE TAKE THE TIME TO PLAN FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND PLAN FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE EQUIPMENT, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET A MORE ADVANCED SYSTEM THAT WILL DO MORE AND NOT BE OUTDATED WITHIN THE 12 YEAR PERIOD THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS. IT MAY BE OBSOLETE BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH PAYING FOR IT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WAY OF FUNDING THIS FROM EXISTING TAX REVENUES RATHER THAN SELLING CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, WHICH ACCORDING TO THIS RESOLUTION WILL REQUIRE, UH, ADDITIONAL ADD ON TAXES. NOW, AS A RETIRED PERSON, I'M PAYING A LOT OF TAXES AND I JUST CAN'T KEEP ADDING ON AND ADDING ON AND ADDING NO AND ADD KNOWN AND ADD KNOWN. AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COURT TO TAKE ALL THE RETIRED PEOPLE INTO CONSIDERATION AND FIND A WAY TO FUND THIS IF IT'S REALLY NEEDED WITHOUT HAVING TO INCREASE TAXES. THANK YOU. MAY I ADDRESS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE RETIRED PERSONS AS ON THEIR HOMESTEAD? THEIR TAXES ARE APPROACH THE RETURN 65 IN COLTON COUNTY, KAUFMAN COUNTY IS ONE OF ONLY AROUND 102 COUNTIES THAT DOES PROVIDE A SENIOR CITIZEN EXEMPTION. SO YOUR COUNTY TAXES ON YOUR HOMESTEAD ON THE HOMESTEAD WOULD BE FROZEN? YES. IF YOU OWN ANY OTHER PROPERTY RENTAL PROPERTY OR NOT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, NEXT IS, UH, RICK JACKSON. UH, ALSO ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. GOOD, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. GOOD MORNING. UH, UH, I COME AS A RETIRED TEACHER. I, I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THE THING OF ULTIMATE SAFETY FOR EVERY INCH OF THE COUNTY VERSUS WHAT IS ACTUALLY USABLE. AND, UH, AGAIN, LIKE MR. LIK SAID BEFORE, I'M RETIRED TEACHER, I'M NOT 65, SO I CAN'T GET THE EXEMPTION OF MY HOMESTEAD. SO MY WIFE'S A TEACHER. SO WE ARE STRAPPED ON TAXES BETWEEN COUNTY TAXES KEEP GOING UP AND SCHOOL TAXES AND CORNING KEEP GOING UP. WE HAVE A BIG DEBT IN THIS COUNTY AND LIKE I HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN MY MEANS. THE COUNTY NEEDS TO LIVE WITHIN THIS MEANS THAT MEANS WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO ADD ON DEBT, WHETHER IT'S BONDED DEBT OR UH, ANY OTHER KIND OF DEBT. WE DON'T NEED TO ADD ON MORE DEBT. WE NEED TO TAKE THE RADIO SYSTEM THAT'S ABSOLUTELY JUST NEEDED. WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND 3.6 MILLION FOR A NEW INTER CALL SYSTEM. WE DON'T NEED TO ADD THE 1.4 MILLION FOR THE WARRANTY. WE JUST NEED A RADIO SYSTEM THAT WILL WORK AND GET US BY UNTIL THE TIME THAT IT HAS BEEN PLANNED OUT THAT WE CAN AFFORD THE CORRECT SYSTEM AND GET ALL THIS, UH, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS DONE. INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS NEED TO BE DONE FIRST. THEY NEED A LETTER OF INTENT [00:40:01] OR SOMETHING ELSE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO JUMP INTO THIS. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE SAY, YEAH, WE'LL DO THIS IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN WRITING, IT'S NOT WORTH PAPER THAT, UH, WOULD BE WRITTEN UP. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE $300,000 RADIO SYSTEM FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WE'RE NEEDING. AND WE ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER THAT SENATOR HALL IS ALSO WORKING ON A RESOLUTION TO GET THE 9 1 1 MONEY IN AND WE REALLY KIND OF NEED TO WAIT AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAYBE SPEND OUR MONEY. WE CAN USE MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT INTO THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM AND GET SOME OF THAT BACK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AS A TEACHER AND AS, UH, YOUR WIFE AS WELL. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT IS JOHN COOK. I DO ALSO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT SIX. THANK YOU JUDGE WILLIAMS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. SURE. UH, I WANT FOLLOW UP ON WHAT HE JUST SAID. I'M, I'VE BEEN CONCERNED OVER THE LAST PROBABLY 10 YEARS ABOUT OUR COUNTY TAXES. AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE ABOUT OUR COUNTY TAX RATE. AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT, IT'S LIKELY IT'S BEEN ABOUT THE MEDIAN TAX RATE. THE MEDIAN TAX RATE FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY IS $2,275 PER UH, PROPERTY. THE, UH, I THINK WE JUST HAD A TWO 2 CENT TAX INCREASE TOO THIS LAST, FOR THIS YEAR ON THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT WERE, THAT WERE USED TO PAY THE ROAD BONDS. RIGHT. BUT WE STILL HAD AN INCREASE, NOT QUITE ACTUALLY 1.97 CENTS 55 6 TO YES, 57. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE ACTUALLY THE 17TH HIGHEST MEDIAN TAX RATE IN THE RATE IN TEXAS. WE ARE BEHIND 16 OTHER COUNTIES. UM, WE HAVE NATIONALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE SCHEME OF MEDIA TAX RATE, THIS IS BASED ON THE TAX RATES.ORG AND NATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT DOES TAX RATES. NEW JERSEY IS FIRST WITH 180 9. NEW HAMPSHIRE IS SECOND WITH 180 6. TEXAS IS THIRD, THIRD HIGHEST IN THE NATION ON PROPERTY TAX RATE 1.181%. HOW MUCH OF THAT IS FOR SCHOOLS AND COUNTIES? NO PROPERTY TAXES. JUST PROPERTY TAXES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BROKEN DOWN. NO. UH, THE MEDIAN, HERE'S A, HERE'S A STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE BY TAX RATES.ORG WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT KAUFFMAN COUNTY. THE MEDIAN PROPERTY TAX IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS IS 25 9 7 PER YEAR FOR A HOME WORTH OF MEDIAN VALUE OF $130,000. KAUFFMAN COUNTY COLLECTS AN AVERAGE 2% OF EVERY PROPERTY ASSESSED MARKET VALUE PROPERTY TAX. THAT MEANS IN 50 YEARS WE PAY ANOTHER WHOLE PERCENTAGE. I MEAN A WHOLE, UH, COST FOR THE HOUSE. AGAIN, KAUFMAN COUNTY HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST MEDIAN PROPERTY TAXES IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE WE'RE ONLY 17TH IN 254 COUNTIES NATIONALLY, WHERE 251ST AND 3,143 COUNTIES, THE AVERAGE YEARLY PROPERTY TAX PAID BY KAUFMAN COUNTY RESIDENTS AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 3.74% OF THEIR YEARLY INCOME. KAUFMAN COUNTIES RANKED 300 OF THE 3,143 COUNTIES FOR PROPERTY TAXES AS A PERCENTAGE OF MEDIAN INCOME. YOU CAN USE THE TEXAS PROPERTY TAX LAW, I WON'T GO INTO THAT, BUT I SEE MORE TAXES COMING UP. I SEE THAT THAT'S PAYING MORE TAXES. I DON'T, I'VE SEEN 2%. THIS DOESN'T COUNT THE 2 CENTS THAT WE'VE ADDED FOR THIS YEAR. THAT DOESN'T COUNT THAT THAT'S, THAT'S VOTER'S APPROVAL. VOTER'S APPROVAL. RIGHT. WHAT WE SUBMITTED AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT, NOR MAY I INTERJECT, SIR? YES, YES. UH, FROM TIME TO TIME YOU COMPARED US WITH COUNTY RIGHT. HAVING A LOWER TAX RATE. WELL, COSTS COST IS MOSTLY COST. WELL YOU COULD SAY TAX RATE IF I REMEMBER SEVERAL PERCENT AND NOT A MEDIA TAX RATE, BUT GO AHEAD. UH, HUNT COUNTY IS, YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED ALSO LEVIES THEY HAVE SINCE SALES TAX. RIGHT. WHICH WE DO NOT. RIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THAT RAISES FOR THEM? NO, I DON'T. AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE NATIONAL TAXES ARE COMPARED TO TOTAL TAXES BECAUSE SOME STATES ALSO HAVE INCOME TAXES. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS PROPERTY TAXES IS ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF TEXAS PAYING FOR OUR, PAYING FOR OUR BOATS, PAYING FOR OTHER BANKS. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO INDICATE IS YOU CAN, YOU'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF HUNT COUNTY, OUR NEIGHBOR, THEY RAISED APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION WITH A HALF CENT SALES TAX. UH, ON OUR TAX RATE, THAT'S ABOUT FIVE OR 6 CENTS. SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, THEY ALSO HUNT COUNTY DOES NOT GRANT [00:45:01] A SENIOR CITIZEN TAX EXEMPTION. RIGHT. WE LOSE VALUE BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN MY OPINION. RIGHT. BUT THE REASON I'M GOING TO MEDIAN TAX RATE HERE IS BECAUSE YOU MADE A STATEMENT PREVIOUSLY LAST YEAR THAT UH, IF YOU LOOK AT MEDIAN TAX RATE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE. NO, WE'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE. WE'RE SIX, WE'RE BELOW 16TH. WE'RE 17. I MAY HAVE MADE THAT STATEMENT. IF I DID, I'M SURE I WOULD STICK BACK, BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT. BUT YOU, UH, MY DEAL, MY MY REASONS FOR TALKING HERE, AND I KNOW THE TIME IS ALMOST UP AND I I'LL GIVE YOU EXTRA TIME, IS IT'S HARD TO PREPARE A COUNTY, COUNTY, STATE, STATE, DIFFERENT VARIANCE. AGAIN, COST COUNTY AND COUNTY THAT'S $3 MILLION. IT DOESN'T FIGURE INTO THE PROFIT TAX. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ALSO HAVE, THEY DO NOT GIVE A SENIOR CITIZEN EXEMPTION. THERE ARE ABOUT 102 COUNTIES THAT DON'T THAT DO THAT. AND WE'RE ONE OF THE ONES THAT DO GIVE, UH, THE SENIOR CITIZEN EXEMPTION. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD. CAN I INTERRUPT JUST ON THAT ONE POINT? THERE'S 102 COUNTIES, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONES THEY'RE PAYING LESS TAXES THAN WE, WE ARE, I HAVE NO MUCH LESS TAXES BY THE WAY, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE TAXES ARE DOWN THE HUNDREDS AND 200, $300 RANGES. AND I'VE GOT THE WHOLE LIST OF EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS RIGHT HERE IN WHAT THEY PAY. I'LL BE GLAD TO LET YOU HAVE THAT. AND THEIR SALES TAX AS WELL AS THEIR NO, NOT SALES TAX, JUST THE COUNTY TAX. AND IF YOU PUT THE SALES TAX IN A LOT OF THESE, YOU WILL SEE THAT HARDLY ANY OF THESE GO RAISE THEIR TAXES ABOVE WHAT WE'RE PAYING. OKAY, WELL WE CAN SIT HERE AND DISCUSS IT. AGREE. BUT I JUST WOULD APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE PAID TOO MANY TAXES IN, IN KAUFMAN COUNTY NOW I THINK FOR SURE. AND IF THE DEBT, THE DEBT IS GOING UP, WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT IS GOING UP TO, AND IT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGEST DEBT WE'VE EVER HAD, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, OUTSIDE OF POSSIBLY THE JAIL. BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE MORE THE THAN THEM TOO. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE NUMBER, THE WHOLE NUMBER OF 2% EVERY YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO PAY. AND OUR MEDIA INCOME IN TEXAS, IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY IS NOT WHAT SOME OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES ARE. WE'RE A LOT LOWER IN MEDIUM INCOME. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO THROW THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I MEAN, JUDGE, IT'S FINE. DON'T WORRY. ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, YOU'VE HEARD THE REMARKS FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC. WHAT IS, UH, WHAT'S YOUR DISCUSSION YOU'D LIKE AND I'LL, I'LL START THE CONVERSATION. I'M SORRY. DOES MR. UH, PAUL NEED TO SAY SOMETHING? TOM, DO YOU WANT TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE HERE AND TALK ABOUT ANY OF THIS? THIS IS THE BOND ATTORNEY THAT WE USED WITH, UH, UH, THE HIPS THAT HAVE ASSISTED US IN THE OTHER BOND SALE THE COUNTY'S HAD OVER THE YEARS. THE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE ORDER TO ISSUE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. THIS IS IN THE STANDARD FORM THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS ACCUSTOMED TO SEEN FOR, UH, THE EQUIPMENT PURCHASES. AND THAT'S ALL THAT THIS CAN BE USEFUL. IT WORKS JUST LIKE YOUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT YOU PASSED EARLIER. UH, YOU PROVE IT THROUGH LEVI TAX. UH, IT'S GOT THE ABILITY TO PAY TO START PAYING IT AFTER THE FIRST YEAR TO CALL THOSE. SO IF YOU GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN AND THE STATE WOULD COME BACK AND YOU COULD USE THAT TO PAY DOWN, YOU HAVE PROBABLY THE MOST FAVORABLE TERMS OF ANY DEBT ISSUE I'VE DONE IN PROBABLY THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF JUST 'CAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY THIS PARTICULAR, SO THERE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ON THE I HAPPY? WELL, WHILE YOU'RE UP, LET ME READ SOME THINGS. I'VE PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THIS MORNING AFTER I GOTTA WORK, UH, TALKING ABOUT, AND I PUBLIC COPIES OF IT THAT WERE IN COURT. THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT I WANTED TO, UH, TO POINT OUT AND I, AND TOM, IF I SAY ANYTHING INCORRECT HERE OR JOHN, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CORRECT ME BECAUSE THESE ARE THE FACTS THAT I KNOW OF. THEY'RE NOT MADE UP FACTS. THEY'RE ACTUAL FACTS AS FAR AS MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT. ONE, THE INTEREST RATE OF TWO POINT, UH, ZERO 5% FOR A 12 YEAR PERIOD IS AN EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE RATE. AND YOU JUST INDICATED IT'S THE LOWEST YOU'VE SEEN IN FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. UH, AND THE FACT THAT IT IS CALLABLE AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF PENALTY, THAT'S PRETTY UNUSUAL I UNDERSTAND AS WELL. YES. UH, THE TOTAL INTEREST AMOUNT FOR THE, UH, 12 YEAR TIME OF THE LOAN IS APPROXIMATELY 506,000 BUCKS. [00:50:01] SO THOSE ARE CORRECT STATEMENTS. UH, TOTAL SAVINGS BY, AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS, BUT, UH, JOHN LONGWELL AND I KNOW, UH, STEVEY AND SOME OF THE FIRE OFFICIALS, UH, THEY WORKED ON PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. OUR EMERGENCY SERVICE PEOPLE, TOTAL SAVINGS FOR COMPLETING ONE PHASE ONE AND FAILING IN PHASE TWO AT THE SAME TIME RESULT IN CONTRACT SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY 694,000. JACK, IF YOU WOULD STAND UP, I BELIEVE I ASKED YOU FOR THAT FIGURE JUDGE ALSO HAVE A, THIS IS A COPY OF THE, UH, WHERE IT STATES IS. OKAY. THERE IS A 694,000 BY DOING PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ALL . OKAY. SO IF WE JUST DID PHASE ONE, UH, WE WOULD NOT GET THE DISCOUNT OF $694,000. THAT IS INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO. AND PHASE TWO IS PRIMARILY THE INFORMATION ON THE RADIO EQUIPMENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS, THE CONSTABLES, UH, AS WELL AS THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE ACTUAL SAVINGS WE HAVE BY DOING BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER ARE $694,000. THAT IS MORE, UH, THAN, UH, ABOUT $190,000 MORE, UH, THAN WHAT THE ACTUAL INTEREST WOULD BE OVER THE ENTIRE 12 MONTHS. IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? THAT IS CORRECT. UH, JUST WANT CLARIFY. THERE'S A, UH, ONE TIME DISCOUNT, 70,000 ON PHASE ONE. UH, THEN THERE'S A DISCOUNT ON, ON PHASE TWO, ONE TIME OF 4 23 AND 100. BUT YOU COMBINE THE TWO AND THERE IS A SIX. OKAY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THE OTHER ITEM, JOHN, I'LL ASK YOU ON THIS, THE RADIO ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE RADIO EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE ARE ALREADY IN PRODUCTION. IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT FROM WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND, JACK? JUDGE, ALL I CAN SAY IS, IS THAT, UH, WHEN YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT, THEY, THE WHEEL TURN, I CANNOT CONFIRM EXACTLY WHAT DONE, I KNOW THEY WERE, THEY WERE STATING THAT THE, THE FIRST THING WE I'M SURE PART OF THE RADIO, UH, I CAN'T CONFIRM WHAT'S CONTRACT SIGNED THAT MOTION. ALRIGHT. WOULD RESULT IN A POSSIBLE PENALTY, THE WORD POSSIBLE PERIOD OF 450,550,000 IF, IF KAUFMAN COUNTY IS IN BREACH OF THE CONTRACTORS. IS THERE SOMEONE HERE THIS MORNING FROM HARRIS COMMUNICATIONS? ANYONE HERE FROM HARRIS COMMUNICATIONS? STEVE, I ASKED YOU FRIDAY TO UH, CHECK WITH THEM AND GET A NUMBER FROM THEM ON THE WORK. THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED IN THIS REGARD, AND I BELIEVE YOU TOLD ME THE UH, PERSON THAT YOU TALKED TO WITH HARRIS COMMUNICATIONS SAID THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED WORKING AND HAVE IN PRODUCTION APPROXIMATELY 450 TO $550,000 WORTH OF, UH, EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THIS PROJECT. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. OKAY. UH, JOHN, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE BREACH OF CONTRACT. YOU'VE STUDIED THAT, UH, CONTRACT SEVERAL TIMES. IF WE WERE NOT TO AGREE TO FUND THIS PROGRAM, UH, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF BEING HELD IN BREACH OF CONTRACT? I DON'T MEAN TO BE EVASIVE, BUT, UH, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY A COUNTY POSITION. , RIGHT. UM, UH, IF IT DOES GO LITIGATION, I UNDERSTAND IT DOES GO, UH, CERTAINLY I I WOULD, UH, ANTICIPATE THAT HARRIS CONTRACTUAL WOULD, WOULD TAKE THIS POSITION, WOULD ARGUE THIS POSITION AND, AND PROBABLY ANY POSITION WOULD BE BASED ON THE FACT IF YOU PASS, IF YOU ACCEPT CONTRACT AND IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO EITHER THE FINANCING OR SOME OTHER CONDITION THAT BY ALL APPEARANCES, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S OFFERING ACCEPTANCE OF CONTRACT. AND I DON'T WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY WHAT OUR DAMAGES WOULD BE, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A BREACH IN CONTRACT. HOPEFULLY NOT. I, I, I WOULDN'T THINK SO. OKAY. I WOULDN'T THINK SO. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S REASON I UNDERSTAND TO DO OR NOT TO DO SOMETHING I DON'T WANNA DO. YOU DON'T WANNA GIVE AWAY WHAT OUR DEFENSE MIGHT BE, JACK PREPARED, GIVE THE EXACT NUMBER. BUT, UH, DURING THE CONTRACT, UH, PHASE OR THE BID, YOU SAY WE OPENED UP THE BID, WE, THE PANEL COMMITTEE SELECTED THE BEST VENDOR, UH, BY WHAT THEY SUBMITTED, UH, ON HARRIS COMMUNICATION. THEY FAILED TO, UH, DO A SITE VISIT. WE HAVE THREE SITES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. HARRIS REALLY [00:55:01] FAILED TO GO TO THESE SITES AND LOOK AT WHAT WAS THERE, UH, WHEN WE STARTED NEGOTIATING WITH THE BEST OF FINAL OFFER. UH, AND I HAD REMINDED HARRIS THAT THEY, UH, NONE OF THE OTHER BIDS INCLUDED ANY KIND OF STRUCTURES THAT THESE THREE, I THINK WE HAVE TWO SITES THAT INCLUDE BUILDING, IF YOU WOULD PUT AIR CONDITION, HEAT, PUT THIS EQUIPMENT IN ONE SIDE, HAS A, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT AIR CONDITION. WE WERE NEGOTIATING WITH HARRIS. I ADVISED THEM THAT, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT WE AWARDED, WE COULD NOT INCREASE THAT. AND THEY WOULD EITHER LIVE UP TO THAT OR, AND THEY AGREED TO THEIR COST TO MAKE ALL THESE PROVE THE OTHER VENDOR DID NOT APPROVE. SO I'M A PHONE NUMBER STEVE, IF YOU CAN CORRECT ME. UH, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT THEY HUNDRED DOLLARS THEY'RE HAVING TO, TO WHAT THEY NOT PLAN ON SPENDING? YES SIR. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN HUNDRED HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN ON TOP OF WHAT THEY DID TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE GET THE DEEPEST POSSIBLE SYSTEM THERE. AGAIN, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A MISTAKE THAT HARRIS MADE, BUT THE WERE VERY FIRM THAT WE WOULD NOT ANYMORE, IF THEY HAVE CONTRACT, THEY WOULD INCLUDE BRIEFLY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHERE THOSE THREE SITES ARE AND THAT WE RECEIVED PERMISSION FROM BOTH SIDES. THAT IS THAT GREEN COMBINE, COMBINE ELMO AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ON TOP OF FOUR 40 DOCK. SO ALL THREE OF THOSE AND WELL OBVIOUSLY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS THE COUNTY, SO THE ELMO WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION AND THE, UH, COMBINE, COMBINE, COMBINE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION. YES. THEY HAVE BREED WITHOUT QUESTION TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THOSE, UH, RADIO ANTENNAS. RIGHT. AND, AND WE'RE USING LOT THEIR SIZE IN THE COUPLE SITES WHERE WE'RE NOT READY TO GO. UH, MORE WORK BUILDING AND AGREED USE THAT FACILITY BUILDING BOARD MET LAST WEEK. OBJECT. IS THE CONTRACT EAST TEXAS ON THAT TOWER THAT THEY OWNED AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? IS THAT CONTRACT BEEN LOCATED AND WHAT IS IT STATE ON THE FUTURE USE SINCE TEXAS PULLING OUT THE COUNTY? I, I REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT. UH, I KNOW THERE'S A TOWER THAT'S ON OUR SIDE, SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS AND WHAT OUR TO THEM OR WHOEVER THEY MAY LEASE OR SELL THAT TOWER TO. I'VE TALKED TO Y OVER COMMUNICATION THAT HE'S TEXAS. I CONFIRMED TO HIM AND HE SAID THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO KEEP THE TIRE THAT THEY WOULD GUARANTEE ME AND I'M GOING TO GET THAT IN WRITING THAT UH, IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL THAT WE'D BE THE FIRST PERSON THEY WOULD SELL IT TO. SO WE MAY HAVE TO PURCHASE THE ON OUR OWN PROPERTY. MIGHT NOT. I MEAN AT THIS POINT, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER EAST TEXAS, THEY'RE PULLING BACK TO HENDERSON COUNTY. THEY'VE GOT ALL THEIR HOSPITALS IN COUNTY AND THEY DO A LOT OF TRANSFERS BACK AND DOWN AND THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE RADIO COMMUNICATION GOING BACK TO DALLAS. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET RID OF IT THIS TIME, BUT IF THEY DECIDE TO GET RID OF MORE OF THEIR AMBULANCES, THEY PROBABLY WILL. BUT JEFF HAS GUARANTEED ME THAT AND I'VE GOT AN OUTSTANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH JEFF SINCE WE'VE DONE THE TIRE AND EVERYTHING. SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AT ALL WHERE HE'D BACK OUT. THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. AND I'VE ACTUALLY CHECKED WITH A COUPLE OF VENDORS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BIDDING ON OUR AMBULANCE CONTRACT AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT EXACT ISSUE. AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE INDICATED TO ME THAT IF EAST TEXAS, UH, WANTS TO GET RID OF THE TOWER, THEY WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE TOWER FROM EAST TEXAS, JUST LIKE SOME OF 'EM ARE DOING ON THE, UH, TRUCKS AND, AND UH, AND WE DON'T HAVE IT IN BLANK AND WHITE. WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT EVEN THOUGH WE'VE TALKED TO 'EM, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. MY FEAR IS WHAT THAT THEY WILL SELL IT TO A TOWER COMPANY. THE COMPANY WILL WORK TO. SO JOHN YOU WANT YEAH, WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR, TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH, BUT I MEAN IT COULD COURT INTERESTED, IT COULD BE AN ISSUE FOR, I'M, I'M NOT, AND THERE IS A WHOLE CONTRACT THAT EAST TEXAS HAS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA GET OUT OF WITH US SAYING THAT'S NOT YET. [01:00:01] RONNIE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THAT TOWER? IF WE GET, IF, IF EAST TEXAS DECIDED TO GET RID OF IT AND EVEN IF WE HAVE A FIRST OPTION TO PURCHASE, ONE WOULD SPECULATE IT IS GOING TO GO AT FAIR MARKET VALUE. WHAT WOULD BE THE ESTIMATED BY JUDGE? THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS JUST TOLD ME WE SHOULDN'T DISCUSS THIS SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO DELAY THAT TO, UH, ANOTHER SESSION. UH, FOURTH AND FIFTH ITEMS, LEMME QUICKLY READ THOSE. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE MY COMMENTS AND, UH, GENTLEMEN, I WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS. UH, UH, NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH ENHANCED RADIO COMMISSION COMMUNICATIONS PROVIDE I MEASURABLE SAFETY BENEFITS FOR ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS IN COLLIN COUNTY. UH, ALSO NUMBER FIVE COUNTY CITIZENS OR, UH, INSURED OR USHER OF A HIGH QUALITY RADIO COMMUNICATION SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE RELIABLE AND EFFICIENT IN RESPONDING WITH EMERGENCY HELP WHEN NEEDED AT A TIMELY BASIS. AND I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE YOU A, A UPDATE ON THE 2014 2015 BUDGET, UH, BUDGET REVENUE. AS YOU REMEMBER, THIS YEAR, THE SHERIFF AND HIS DEPARTMENT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN NEGOTIATING A NEW CONTRACT WITH, UH, THE US UH, MARSHALS, UH, SERVICE. AND, UH, WE BUDGETED THIS YEAR AND, UH, WHEN WE HAD OUR BUDGET HEARING, WE ONLY BUDGETED $350,000, UH, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T FOR SURE WHEN THOSE MENTS WOULD GET HERE, HOW MANY OF THEM THERE WOULD BE AND, AND ALL OF THAT. SO AS OF, UH, UH, THE END OF JANUARY, WHICH IS FOUR MONTHS, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED, OR IT HAS, OR THEY HAVE BEEN BILLED $364,000. SO WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED, UH, IN FOUR MONTHS, UH, $14,633 MORE THAN WE'RE BUDGETED. SO I WOULD IMAGINE AT THE END OF, UH, AT THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR, UH, WE PROBABLY WILL BE RECEIVING CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS, GIVE OR TAKE. SO THAT'S MONEY THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED, IT WAS NOT BUDGETED, UH, PURPOSELY BECAUSE WE WEREN'T FOR SURE HOW THAT WAS GONNA WORK OUT. I DON'T HAVE MANY FEDERAL PRISONERS YOU NOW HAVE, UH, BRIAN, UH, I BELIEVE THIS MORNING COUNT WAS 87 87 FEDERAL PRISON AND IT, IT FLUCTUATE. UH, I'M NOT, THEY GO UP THERE, I'M SURE. YES, SIR. HENCE WE'VE GOT, IF THEY'RE CONVICTED OR NOT, THEY TAKE SEAT BILL. SO, BUT IT DOES FLUCTUATE. RIGHT. AND ALSO VARIED, UH, VERIFIED THESE FIGURES WITH, UH, MRS. MCCLOUD, OUR, UH, AUDITOR. AND, UH, WE DID NOT BUDGET ANY ROLLBACK TAXES FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR. THESE ARE TAXES THAT ARE RECEIVED, WHICH IS HARD TO BUDGET FOR, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PROPERTY IS GOING BE SUBJECT TO ROLLBACK. UH, UH, BUT WHEN I WAS TALKING TO YOU EARLIER, UH, KAREN, IT WAS IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR HAD GIVEN US. AND THAT'S ALREADY IN FULL MONTHS. AND WE ARE HAVING, THAT'S THROUGH DECEMBER. IF SHE HADN'T DONE OUR JANUARY RIGHT, THAT'S JUST THROUGH DECEMBER. AND WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF OUR PROPERTY THAT'S BEING CONVERTED, UH, FROM AG USE TO COMMERCIAL VENTURES AND MUCH MORE. NONE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT IS COMING. SO THESE ARE MY COMMENTS, UH, AND I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING EACH INDIVIDUAL'S, UH, COMMENTS AND COMMISSION WILL START WITH YOU. OKAY. UH, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS AS IT WAS IN APRIL WHEN WE DISCUSSED RENOVATION OF THE ARMORY, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITIES, WE WERE PROMISED THAT THEY WERE COMING, UH, SOON. UM, WE SAW VOTING TO GO AHEAD AND, AND DO THE RENOVATION WITH THE PROMISE OF THE CITIES AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PARTICIPATION. BUT THEN WHEN THE RADIO SYSTEM CAME UP, I VOICED MY CONCERNS AGAIN THAT WE STILL HAD NO OTHER LOCAL AGREEMENTS. AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO ALL THESE FIRE CHIEFS AND FIRE MARSHALS HERE THAT YOU GET WITH YOUR CITIES AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME FORWARD AND AT LEAST SIGN THE LETTER OF INTENT. UH, I'M ALL ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO, UH, SAY ONE THING AND DO ANOTHER, I'M AFRAID WE'RE GONNA SET UP VERY RED BAD PRECEDENCE HERE THAT, UH, AND, AND ACTUALLY DAMAGE THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS COURT. I THINK WE NEED TO STICK WITH THE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND WE HAVE, UM, AGAIN, THE RADIO SYSTEM WE HAVE, IT IS MEETING ALL MANDATES. IS IT NOT FAR, FAR AS NARROW MAN MANDATES YET? OKAY. SO WE'RE DUPLICATING A SYSTEM. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FEW SPOTS IN THE COUNTY THAT IS GOING TO IMPROVE COVERAGE ON, BUT THESE ARE SPARSELY POPULATED, UM, AREAS. THEY'RE NOT HIGHLY POPULATED. UM, THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS WITH THE 9 1 1 FUNDS, SINCE 2010, THE STATE HAS COLLECTED [01:05:01] $4.305 MILLION FROM Y'ALL'S CELL PHONE BILLS. AND THEY'RE HOLDING THAT. THE COMPTROLLER IS HOLDING THAT SINCE, UH, 2010. THEY, UH, MONEY THAT HAS GONE FROM THAT AMOUNT, THAT THREE $4.3 MILLION BACK TO ALL THE PSAPS COMBINED IN COSMAN COUNTY IS $451,000, $833. SO WE'RE ALMOST $4 MILLION IN THE RED AS FAR AS WHAT THE STATE'S COLLECTED FROM US, UH, I THINK WE NEED, AND AGAIN, UH, SENATOR HALL IS WORKING ON THAT. I DUNNO WHAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM TO ME IS WE'RE BEING TAXED TWICE FOR THE SAME SERVICE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH COBB. I KNOW THEY'RE PROMISING TO GIVE US SOME MONEY AT THE END OF THE IF THERE'S ANY LEFT OVER, BUT I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME DEALING WITH ACCEPTING THAT, UH, FROM THE STATE AGENCY AND COBB, THE AGENCY THAT REPRESENTS US. I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE, UH, FELL ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. UH, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RETURNING THE MONEY BACK TO US AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FIGHTING FOR IT IS A, IS A BIGGER PROBLEM. UH, NOW THAT IT'S GETTING TO, UH, THE POINT WHERE SOME ENTITIES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UPDATE THE RADIOS. I THINK NOW THEY, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET ALL HIGH CENTER, BUT THAT ISSUE, THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE DUPLICATING THE SYSTEM WE ALREADY HAVE, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE THREE TOWER SITES ARE NOT SECURED. TOTALLY. I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE THIS AND HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH HARRIS. LET 'EM KNOW OUR POSITION, GET OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT SIGNED, OR AT LEAST LETTERS OF INTENT FROM THE CITIES SO WE KNOW WHAT OUR PARTICIPATION'S GONNA BE AND THEN MOVE FORWARD. SO IF, IF WE HAD THE LETTERS OF INTENT FROM CAROL AT KAUF AND ALL THE CITIES THAT WERE GONNA DISPATCH FOR, WERE ALREADY DISPATCHING. I UNDERSTAND THOSE CITIES UNDERSTAND, BUT BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE, I MEAN, AS THE CITY OF KAUFMAN TOLD YOU, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. NO, BUT I HAVE SEEN NOTHING IN WRITING AS THE CITY OF TERRELL TOLD YOU THEY'RE NOT GOING DO THIS. UH, I HAVE A EMAIL FROM THE MAYOR AT ONE POINT. I DO TOO. THAT, THAT SAYS, UH, THAT THEY WERE BUILDING THEIR OWN FACILITY AND THEY ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT ENCOURAGEMENT AND, UH, SIGNATURE ON LINE, IN MY OPINION TO THOSE THINGS. NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE HIM. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE IN THAT YOU, WE HAD THE ASSISTANT TARRELL CITY MANAGER HERE THE OTHER DAY AND YOU GRILLED HIM PRETTY EXTENSIVELY AND HE DID EVERY INDICATION THAT THEY ARE, UH, SIGNING OR, OR THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM SIGNING THE LETTER HIM. OKAY, COMMISSIONER THE OTHER DAY, YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY, WELL, I DUNNO, A MONTH AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS LAST YEAR, THE OTHER COURT I THOUGHT MAYBE, OKAY, I, I MISSED SOMETHING. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING. UM, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN, UH, IN THE PURCHASE, UH, UH, OF THIS CONTRACT. UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF STATUTE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT SHE CAN'T COMMIT ANOTHER COURT TO BINDING EFFECTS. NOW, I DON'T WAIT, WAIT JUST A SECOND. LEMME GET JOHN, WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? THE VOTE THAT THE PREVIOUS COURT TOOK ON THIS, IS THAT BINDING ON THIS COURT? WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAY PASS A BUDGET, UM, FOR THE 2015 CALENDAR YEAR STARTS AND Y'ALL ARE, EVERYONE'S COMING THAT BUDGET. SO, AND SAYING YEAH, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE STATE STATUTES, UH, CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. YOU CAN'T CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATE ANOTHER COURT TO DO THE FINANCING FOR WHAT YOU'RE JUST PASSING AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S YOUR PROBLEM. YOU JUST FIGURE IT OUT. UM, Y'ALL ARE AT THE SAME COURT THOUGH. I KNOW WE'RE THE SAME COURT, BUT I MEAN THERE'S, THAT'S WHAT THE STATE STATUTE'S TALKING ABOUT KIND. AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO NO, BUT I WON'T CARRY THAT UP BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE. TOM, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT ISSUE FOR US THERE? I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT YOU'VE CONTRACTED THIS, BUT AN OBLIGATION ONCE YOU ENTERED INTO IT, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT IS NO LONGER AN OBLIGATION WHEN THE NEXT COURT COMES INTO POSITION. YOU CAN'T, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN'T BIND A FUTURE COURT FROM DOING. [01:10:01] BUT WHEN YOU TAKE AN ACTION, A PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU DID THOSE ROAD BONDS, WHEN YOU RIGHT DID THAT, YOU FOUND EVERY COURT BECOMES IN THE COURT, IN IN THE LEGISLATORS. I THINK WHAT THEY MEANT WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO INTEND THAT LAW WAS THEY DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY, THE PREVIOUS COURT RIGHT PAST THE WHOLE LOT THINGS AND HAD NO FINANCIAL SET IN PLACE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU COME ALONG AND DECIDE THAT, OKAY, I FIGURED THIS OUT, WE'RE GONNA BUY YOU A CAR, HERE'S THE 36 MONTH PAYMENT AND WE'VE SIGNED THE NOTE AND WE PAID AND WE ARE OBLIGATED, THAT'S FINE. I ACCEPT THAT. BUT UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, OH, YOU FIGURE OUT THE FINANCE BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT, OR WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO FIGURE IT OUT, LET'S RUSH AND DO THIS AND LET THE OTHER GUY WORRY. THAT'S WHERE THEY CAME IN TO PLAY. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO LOOK FOR A THING, YOU, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS. IT'S THE SAME THING AS THIS CONTRACT YOU WERE DOING EARLIER. TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU GOT A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION, YOU MAY SAY YOU'RE NOT, YOU CAN'T BIND EVEN THAT'LL BE SOMETHING FOR A COURT TO SELL. WHETHER ON THIS, ON THIS VIDEO, THE ROAD, THE ROAD BOND WAS A VOTER PASSED ISSUE. SO THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. VOTERS ACCEPTED THAT DEBT ON ITSELF. AND, AND, AND, AND MY OTHER ISSUE, I MEAN IS IT MAY SIX IS OBLIGATED AND I DON'T KNOW AND ASKED THE JUDGE ABOUT IT EARLIER AND HE SAID THAT IT'S THE WAY WE HAVE TO WORD IT. I DUNNO, UH, LEVELING, LEVELING ANNUAL ADMIRAL TAX, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT YOU'RE MAKING A NEW TAX, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING A BRAND NEW COURT TO SAY, WELL, LET'S STEP IN THE OFFICE FOR FIVE WEEKS AND LET'S VOTE IN BRAND NEW TAX. NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO BUY A RADIO SYSTEM. IT'S OKAY IF WE HAVE A WAY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PAY FOR IT WITHOUT ADDING A TAXES. UM, I'M NOT SO GUN WHOLE OR HOW YOU WANT TO SAY IT. I'M SAYING LET'S ADD TAXES. I'M NOT ABOUT ADDING TAXES. NONE OF US ARE WHAT I'M AWARE OF. NONE OF US. I'M WELL, THE WAY THE STATEMENT SAYS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ADDING THAT ANY TAX, THAT'S THE VERY REASON ADDED NUMBERS UNDER THE BUDGET UPDATE TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH MONEY THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT CAN GO TOWARDS THIS. THAT I, I UNDERSTAND. I WELL, I SEE A LOT OF WAYS. I MEAN, I, I SEE OTHER WAYS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I GIVE IT TO BRIAN AND THEN, AND APPLAUD 'EM ON THE WAY THAT THEY'VE SAVED MONEY IN THE JAIL. AND, AND I SAY, WELL, IF YOU CAN SAVE $411,000 IN THE FIRST QUARTER AND, AND, AND BUY SOME CARDS, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. THE NEXT QUARTER IT GONNA MAKE A PAYMENT FOR A . WE DON'T NEED TO PAY SAVE THAT MUCH EVERY YEAR. IF WE CAN JUST COMMIT TO SAYING, WELL, OKAY, WE'VE DONE, WITHOUT THE POSITION WE'VE DONE WITHOUT THIS, LET'S CUT A QUARTER OF HALF, LET'S PAY FOR . IT IS MY INTENT. I TRIED TO MAKE THIS CLEAR THAT THE TOTAL TAX RATE FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY WILL NOT INCREASE NEXT YEAR. THE MAKEUP OF THAT TAX RATE WILL CHANGE AS IT DOES EVERY YEAR. BUT IT IS MY INTENT, AND I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE LISTENING TO ME HERE AS THE CHIEF BUDGET OFFICER, THAT THE TOTAL TAX RATE WILL NOT INCREASE. NOW THE THREE PARTS OF THAT TAX RATE, THEY WILL CHANGE. THEY CHANGE EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OF INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES. BUT MY COMMITMENT IS, IS THAT THE TOTAL TAX RATE WILL NOT CHANGE THIS COMING YEAR FROM WHAT IT IS THIS TERM. WHAT WHAT WE CURRENTLY PAY. YOU READ. I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF TRUST AND, UH, I MEAN THAT'S AGAIN, WHEN I INHERITED THIS JOB, STEVE, WE WERE MEETING SIX. I I DIDN'T SAY I'M NOT TRUSTING YOU. I'M SAYING IT APPEARS TO ME THAT I'M SAYING THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS. OKAY. WELL YOU'VE HEARD MY STATEMENT. I KNOW. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. ANY OTHER OBJECT? WHAT? SURE. MAY I SAY SOMETHING? SURE. IN EVERY FINANCING AGREEMENT THAT IS LIKE A CO OR A BOND ISSUE, IT WILL [01:15:01] ALWAYS SAY THAT ABOUT THE ADEQUATE ALARM TAX, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST REVENUE THAT THE COUNTY SEEN. I, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT HE SAID HE HAD TO SAY IT THIS WAY. AND I SAID, WELL, I DON'T LIKE IT SAYING, WELL, YEAH, BUT I, I'VE READ FOR OTHER CITIES AND OTHER COUNTIES, IT ALWAYS SAYS THAT IN THOSE, ON THOSE DOCUMENTS LIKE THAT, ANYTIME IT'S A CO A BOND ISSUE, A TAX REVENUE NOTE, IT WILL SAY TO DO WITH THAT ALARM TAX. OKAY. IT'S JUST A STANDARD STATEMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IN THERE. THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS HAS TYPE OF OBLIGATION. PAYMENT OF THE OBLIGATION DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME FROM TAXES. YOU CAN ADD, IF YOU'VE GOT SAVINGS, THEN YOU ONLY HAVE TO LEVY EACH YEAR WITH BE YOUR BUDGET TO THE EXTENT THIS YEAR NOT HAVE OTHER REVENUES TO USED. WE CANNOT DEFAULT ON THOSE PAYMENTS BOTTOM LINE. BUT WE CAN MOVE MONEY FROM OTHER SOURCES, WHICH IS THE REASON I PUT THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE TO GO, IF WE PUT THIS IN LIKE THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO, THEN WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH A SINK FRONT, MAKE PAYMENT FROM THERE. BUT WE CAN TRANSFER MONEY INTO THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME FROM I KNOW, I KNOW AND I'M MISS YOU. I MISS YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO CLEAR YOU DON'T, WHEN IT SAYS IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT, I DON'T KNOW, TOM, HAVE I MISSTATED SOMETHING? NO, YOU HAVEN'T. THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED IN THIS ORDER IS WHAT IS USED IN EVERY ORDER FOR EVERY, WELL, YOU CAN HAVE TWO LANGUAGE, BUT AGAIN, YOU ONLY HAVE TO LEVY TO THE EXTENT YOU DO NOT HAVE THOSE FUNDS FROM OTHER SOURCES TO APPLY TO IT. I HAVE SEVERAL CLIENTS THAT WILL ISSUE. YOU NEVER HAVE TO LET ME BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME SOURCE THAT THEY TRANSFER IN. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T USE, PARDON? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T USE THE TAX? WE SAY WE'RE JUST GONNA PAY WOULDN'T PASS YOU ATTORNEY FULL TAX. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU'D HAVE BE THE FULL TAX FOR THE PAYMENT IF YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANNA USE OTHER REVENUES FOR IT, WHICH IS ABOUT SIX TENTHS OF PERCENT IF WE DECIDE TO DO, BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS THE VERBIAGE, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS TO HAVE ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS BEFORE THEY WOULD BE APPROVED. THAT'S CORRECT, JOHN, THAT IS THIS THE WAY IF, IF TOM POLLIN SAYS IT IS, THEN IT IS OKAY. I'M ASKING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. SAME THING. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT EVERY BOND THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME WORK. FIRST TOM WRITES THE HANDBOOK AND THE DISCLAIMER ALSO, FRIEND OF MINE'S A GOOD LAWYER. THAT'S THAT. OKAY, GOOD. ALRIGHT. YOU HAVE ANYTHING I IT'S MY TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO PREFACE THIS FIRST BY SAYING I'M ALL ABOUT SAFETY FOR THE CITIZENS OF KAMAN COUNTY, FOR ALL OUR ENVIRONMENT, FOR OUR POLICEMEN AND ALL THAT. THE SECOND THING I'M GONNA SAY IS WHEN WE SIT HERE AND HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH, UH, KYLE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE WAS GONNA RECEIVE FROM HELP US WITH OUR NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER, THE LADY SAID BETWEEN 20 AND HUNDRED THOUSAND. I SAID, WELL, TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE YOU THINK WE'RE AT. SHE SAID 20,000. WELL, UH, SEEING NOW TODAY WE GET A LITTLE DEAL HERE. WE'RE SAVING SOME MONEY. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHICH I AM SO PROUD OF. THANK YOU BRIAN AND THE SHERIFF. WE ALL GOT, UH, NOT FILLING ALL POSITIONS AND SEEING THAT WE CAN, WE'RE STILL, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYBODY NOT BEING PROTECTED IN THE COUNTY. AND SO I THINK THAT PROBABLY WE NEED TO TAKE THIS AND HELP US A GOOD WORKSHOP ON THIS AND UH, THEN MOVE FORWARD FOR OUR CITIZEN. THE OTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BUYING TWO BANDS. IS THAT RIGHT, JACK? THE 700 AND 800. REPEAT THAT COMMISSIONER PLEASE. THE, THE TWO BANDS GONNA WORK THIS SYSTEM. WE'RE GOING FROM THIS OLD REGULAR SYSTEM UP TO THE 700, 800 SYSTEM. WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING FROM A, UH, YES V HF TO, UH, OKAY, SO WE'RE STILL GONNA KEEP OUR WHOLE SYSTEM IN CASE [01:20:01] WE NEED IT DOWN LINE. WELL CUR THE CURRENT CONSOLE WE HAVE MY UNDERSTANDING, I'LL LET SPEAK. CURRENT CONSOLE, WE HAVE END THE, Y'ALL HEAR THAT TERM IS WHAT? IT'S, UH, SO WE WE'RE GONNA SPEND, UH, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO, WELL, THE 700 WE CAN GET IT PRETTY EASY. IS THAT NOT RIGHT? BUT THE 800 WE HAVE TO BUY, BUY INTO THAT. SO WE HAVE TO BUY INTO THE 800. NO, IT'S ALL ONE THING. THEY ALL COMMUNICATE SOME MISINFORMATION. SO ANYWAY, BUT UH, THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT RIGHT NOW. AND I LET'S LOOK AT, I DO, I APPRECIATE THIS FIGURES, FIGURES TODAY. I'D NOTION COMMENT. IT APPEARS THAT WE'RE, YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE WAS APPROVED COURT. THERE'S PROBLEM BECAUSE THE NEXT COURT THAT THIS COURT DOESN'T WANNA PAY A FINANCE HAS PROBLEM, WHATEVER. I GUESS NO, THIS COURT WANTS THE CITIES TO PARTICIPATE AT THE LEVEL THAT THEY PROMISED. THAT'S MY POSITION. I HAVE NO, I VOTED TO FUND TO BE RENOVATION OF THE ARMORY WITH THE PROMISE THAT THE CITIES WERE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. IT WAS GOING LOWER COST FOR ALL THE CITIZENS COUNTYWIDE BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO CONSOLIDATE, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DISPATCHERS IN THE COUNTY. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS GONNA DISPATCH FOR 'EM. SO INSTEAD OF EACH ENTITY HAVING, UH, DUPLICATION OF THE SAME PROCESS, IT'S GONNA STREAMLINE STUFF. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A BETTER RADIO SYSTEM FOR A CHEAPER PRICE. I'M ALL FOR THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M FOR IT NOW. I WANT EVERYBODY TO CARRY THROUGH WITH THEIR PROMISES. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, I WILL VOTE FOR IT ALL. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHEN THEY WENT OUT AND MET WITH COMBINE AND ELMO, UH, AND THEY, THEY HAD MET WITH THEIR BOARD AND THEY WERE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, SO NOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED FOLKS COMMITTED TO IT. AND MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD THEY MAY NOT COMMIT TO LET US USE THEIR SITES. AND THE OTHER SIDE IS WHILE, AND I EXPECTING COURT, THE PREVIOUS COURT, THAT WAS DURING THE TIME WHEN WE WENT OUT AND BID THE PRODUCT, WE PROBABLY BEEN BETTER OFF IF WE'D HAD THAT MORE FINANCE, OR WAIT ONE MORE WEEK. THIS ONE, OR THE WAY THAT MADE MORE SENSE BECAUSE THIS COURT'S GOING TO BE HERE AT LEAST US FOUR FOR TWO MORE YEARS. SO WE COULD HAVE NOT CALLED A SPECIAL MEETING THE LAST WEEK OF THE YEAR. WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS ON THE FIRST COURT MEETING OF THIS COURT AND DISCUSS THE, THE, THE, UH, CONTRACT AND THE FINANCING. THAT'S WHY WE COULD HAVE DONE, UNDERSTAND, WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS, WHILE IT TOOK TIME TO GET PUT OFF THE FINANCING, IS BECAUSE WE WERE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE RIGHT PRODUCT. WE COULD HAVE WENT OUT THERE AND JUST SIGNED THE CONTRACT. AND YOU DID, Y'ALL DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AND PAID A BLANKET AND PAID A LOT MORE MONEY WHEN WE CHOSE TO DO OUR HOMEWORK, WHICH TOOK A PERIOD OF TIME. NOW WE'RE, NOW WE'RE WHERE WE'RE NOW I, I UNDERSTAND WE DID OUR HOMEWORK, THIS COMMUNITY AND, AND Y'ALL DID GREAT WORK. I MEAN, Y'ALL ARE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND, AND DID A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THE BIDS AND COMPILING INFORMATION, BUT WE COULD HAVE WAITED ONE MORE WEEK TO LET THIS COURT BE INFORMED TO MAKE THE DECISION AND, AND FINANCE IT. OR WE COULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE FINANCING THAT HARRIS COMMUNICATIONS PUT IN. THAT WAS GOING BE MY NEXT POINT. THEY HAD A LEASE PURCHASE OPTION, THREE POINT SOMETHING PERCENT, 3.84%. CORRECT. WE COULD HAVE PAID TWICE THE INTEREST ON IT THAT WE PAYING ON THIS, OR WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE CONTINUED, HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE SAVINGS THAT THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT HAS SHOWN A VERY GREAT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. AND THAT'S WAS GOING TO BE MY SUGGESTION, THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH HARRIS, LET 'EM KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, ASK THEM IF THEY COULD REWORK THE LEASE PURCHASE OPTION AND GET THE PAYMENTS DOWN. AND IN TWO QUARTERS WE COULD PAY THE, THE LEASE ON THIS RADIO EQUIPMENT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO OBLIGATE THE CITIZENS TO ANY MORE TAX. IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THINKS THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE WHAT THEY DID IN THE FIRST QUARTER, WE WOULD HAVE THAT PAID FOR IN TWO QUARTERS AND HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER FOR THEM TO PURCHASE THEIR VEHICLES ON A YEARLY BASIS. JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT PART OF IT. UH, YEAH, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE MADE SOME SAVINGS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO FILL THE POSITIONS. THE PROBLEM WE'RE [01:25:01] HAVING IS FILLING THESE POSITIONS WITH, WITH CANDIDATES THAT WE'LL TAKE. THAT'S BEEN OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT'S COMING IN, THEY'RE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT AS IN THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S IN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS, THAT AFTER THEY GET CERTIFIED, THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE US. THEY'RE GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY'RE GOING THIS WAY, THEY'RE NOT GOING THIS WAY, THEY'RE GOING THIS WAY. WE GOT AN INVESTIGATORS THAT'S LEAVING US AND MAKING 70 AND $80,000 FROM US. SO THAT'S OUR PROBLEM, FEELING IT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THIS MUCH MONEY BACK. WE HAVE, I'LL SAY WHEN I POSSIBLY CAN. I THINK THAT'S PROVEN, BUT IT IS HURTING US. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT STRESSED OUT IN THAT JAIL WHERE WE'VE HAD ALL THIS, I'VE GOT TONS OF PEOPLE WE'RE CALLING IN AND, AND GETTING A LOT OF COP TIME. AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THIS COP TIME COUNTY WISE IN, IN THE DEPARTMENT IS UNFUNDED AS IT IS AS AN OUTSIDE. AND THAT'S SCARES ME. WE HAVE THAT. WE'RE FACING THE SAME THING IN THE PRECINCT. ARY PROCEED. HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU, I KNOW WHAT I'M, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE MAXING THAT GET CLOSE TO THE MAX ON YOUR COMP TIME? I I, I HADN'T LOOKED AT IT LIKE IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT. LISTEN, I, YOU KNOW, I I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, THAT ALREADY TOLD ME THAT. I GUESS MY COMMENT WAS THAT EVEN IF WE COULD SAY, OKAY, MAYBE WE COULD STRUCTURE A THING WHERE YOU COULD SAVE SOME MORE MONEY, NOT LOOK AT TRYING TO SAVE ALL OF IT. I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO FILL SOME OF THE POSITIONS. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. SO THAT THAT COMP TIME RATE CAN GO DOWN. THAT'S A PROBLEM YOU GET. HOW MANY HOURS DO YOU GET? YOU GET 480. DOES THAT HAVE TO THAT'S A MATH. THAT'S A MATH. BUT THEN, THEN MY LAW AND THEN MY LAWYER HAVE TO TAKE THEM TIME. WE HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO LET TAKE A VACATION. SAY, OKAY, I'M MANDATING A WEEK'S VACATION. RIGHT. AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. THEN WE WE'RE CALLING SOMEBODY IN THE FIELD THAT, AND THAT'S A REVOLVING DOOR THAT WE'LL NEVER CATCH UP. WE'RE WORKING WITH HR NOW WITH OUR HOLIDAYS. WE PLAN PEOPLE FOR HOLIDAYS AND THEY CAN'T TAKE 'EM. SO I CAN'T NOT JUST, OKAY, YOU'VE LOST THAT HOLIDAY. WE CAN'T DO THIS WITH OUR PEOPLE. SO I'M WORKING WITH HR TO EXTEND THAT CALL UP. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO OUT THERE. AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT WORKING, IS IT? IT'S GOING GET TO A CRISIS LEVEL AND IT'S VERY CRISIS. AND THERE'S NO QUESTION, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT ALREADY ON ALL YOUR HOURS HERE, THE STRESS OF AN INDIVIDUAL IN THE HIGH QUALITY OF CHRISTIANS THAT WE'RE HOLDING AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY DROP THE BALL ON SOMETHING. WE'RE GONNA GET SOMEBODY HURT. THAT'S MY BIGGEST FEAR BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE STRESSED OUT TO A LEVEL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A MISTAKE. BUT WE'RE WORKING SO MUCH. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ALONG. AND COMMISSIONER YOU ABOUT HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE ANY, FOR ME TO SAY, I SAY SOMETHING. WELL, I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT, THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ARE BRINGING A LOT OF EXTRA REVENUE. UM, I HATE GOING INTO DEBT MORE THAN WHAT WE NEED TO BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT YOUR TAX RATE. AND, AND, AND IF THE TAX RATE DOESN'T MOVE NEXT YEAR, THEN MONEY'S GONNA COME FROM SOMEWHERE TO FILL THAT HOLE. AND I HOPE IT DIDN'T ROAD THE BRIDGE BECAUSE NO, I DON'T, I DON'T INTEND AS THE BUDGET OFFICER FOR THE COUNTY, I DO NOT INTEND ON SHIFTING ANY MONEY OUTTA THE ROAD BRIDGE FROM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GO UP, BUT NOT SURE. BUT THE MONEY'S GOT, HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK FROM WHAT HERE DOES, I'LL LOOK AT A TWO AND TWO, IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO TAKE SOME OF THIS MONEY, AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANY MONEY FROM THE EMPLOYEE THAT HE'S NOT FILLING BECAUSE THERE'S, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. THERE'S NO PROBLEM. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING THAT PRETTY SOON. UM, ANYWAY, I DO LIKE THAT AND I LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE MAKE THE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, HOPEFULLY IN FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO AFFECT THIS WHOLE SYSTEM. THAT'S THE REASON THAT I ASKED TOM AND THEM TO, AND GEORGE ERFORD TO REDUCE IT WHERE WE COULD HAVE AN EARLY PAYOUT IF WE CHOSE TO DO SO. YEAH. WITH THE MONEY. AND WE WERE WAITING TO SEE THE REASON WE ONLY BUDGETED $350,000 OR THAT'S WHAT I BUDGETED THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED IS TO SEE WHERE WE WOULD BE. IT IS WORKED OUT BEAUTIFULLY. AND WE, OF COURSE, ALL THINGS, YOU GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING, UH, PIECES OF THE BUDGET. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND ALSO ON THE ROLLBACK TAXES, WHICH WE DIDN'T BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN FIGURE. THAT'S THE REASON I DID THAT. AND SO MY COMMITMENT AGAIN, TO THIS COURT, TO THIS, THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, OUR TOTAL TAX RATE WILL NOT GO UP. AND I'VE GOT THAT. I MEAN, I'LL SWEAR WHATEVER I NEED TO DO, THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO THE COURT. NOW, GO AHEAD. CAN I ADD SOMETHING? THE, UH, HOW [01:30:01] MUCH WE MADE FROM THE, UH, JAIL OF THE NOT, NOT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEDERAL IS HOW MUCH THROUGH FOUR MONTHS AND HE'S GOT A BILL, WE SET UP BILL TO THE FEDS AND THEY GENERALLY GET IT BACK TO US, I THINK ABOUT 125,000. YES. AND UH, SO WHEN WE RECEIVE THAT MONEY, THEY NORMALLY PAY IT VERY QUICKLY. THEY'RE VERY WE'LL RECEIVE. WE WILL HAVE RECEIVED IN FOUR MONTHS, 364,000 BUCKS AND WE MADE A PROFIT OF WHAT? WELL, AT THE END OF FOUR MONTHS, WE'RE ALREADY IN THE PLUS OVER WHAT WE BUDGETED THREE 50. SO WE'RE ALREADY AT 14,000 6 33, WE'VE GOT EIGHT TO GO IS A POSSIBLE THING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THIS IS GOING ON, BUT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT ALL THE TIME, I MEAN, ADD SOMETHING IN THE LEGISLATORS AND THEY SAY, CAN WE DO THIS? BUT WE'RE GOING TO PAY THIS, BUT THEY DON'T COMMIT TO IT. CAN WE COMMIT THIS MONEY TO THAT RADIO SYSTEM? BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. CAN WE SAY, OKAY, ALL THE MONEY THAT WE MAKE FROM THE FEDS GO INTO THIS SINKING FIRM PAID, BUT I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. BUT, BUT THE, THE THE, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE DESIGNATE SOMETHING TO GO THERE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT BEING SPENT ON IT. NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FOR PAYING FOR THIS RADIO, BUT AFTERWARDS, GUESS WHAT WE NEED? WE NEED THE MAINTENANCE ON THE RADIO. WE NEED THE UPKEEP ON THE RADIO. AND THAT BUDGET RELYING ON, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T WANT IT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I WANT TO GO TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE MAKING IT. I WANT IT TO GO THIS. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE IT GO STRAIGHT BACK TO THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN'T TAKE THIS MONEY, LET'S GO OUT HERE AND SPEND IT ON THE ROAD AS, AS I MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO IT ON THE ROOF. I KNOW, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO STRAIGHT TO SURE. WELL, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE WORDING ON THE AGENDA, WHICH YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. THIS IS THE LEGAL OF WORDING THAT HAS TO BE UP HERE ON THE AGENDA. I, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT TO, I THINK WE CAN. HE SAID, CAN WE ADD ADDITIONAL WORDING TO THIS TO ENSURE THAT THE, UH, FEDERAL, UH, PRISONER MONIES THAT WE'RE RECEIVING, WHICH BE APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, CAN THAT BE ADDED ON ANOTHER AGENDA THAT NEED ANOTHER ITEM ITEM? I DON'T WANT DO THAT. YEAH, YOU NEED ANOTHER ITEM FOR THAT. WELL, THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. AND, BUT I MEAN THAT'S WHAT MR. UH, UH, PHILLIPS IS ASKING. I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING I WANT, I WANT TO SEE A DESIGNATED FUND GO FROM THIS. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS, I DON'T WANT TO SEE TAX PAYERS. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WELL, YOU'RE ADDING TAXES. SO IF THE FEDS ARE HELPING US PAY THE RADIO SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WELL, I THINK PROBABLY MOST OF US CAN GET ON BOARD WITH IT PRETTY QUICK IF WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT. NOW I KNOW WE CAN LOSE THE CONTRACT. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE CONTRACT FOR CONTRACT'S FIVE YEARS. FIVE. WELL SEE THAT PAPER FOR RADIO SYSTEM. WELL, THAT'S THE REASON I PUT THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GONNA BE THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM. UH, PASSING THIS THING THIS MORNING, IT'S SHOWING THAT WE DO HAVE RE WELL, IT SHOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING PROBLEM. I MEAN, AND IT, AND IT, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S DIFFICULT. IT SHOULD BE WELL DISCUSSED AND EVERYBODY, WE ADD NAS IN AS FAR AS I, WE'VE GONE OVER THIS THING FOR Y'ALL HAVE I HAVE WELL, YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUDGE WOOD. YES, MA'AM. THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN PROVE AN ORDER OR TRANSFER ANYTHING OVER THAT 350,000 BE TRANSFERRED TO THE SPECIAL FUND. AND I'LL SET THAT UP AND MAKE THE RECORDING AS USED TO BE AND WE CAN TRANSFER THAT MONEY TO THE, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU NOT SAY THAT THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE FUND BECAUSE OF FEDERAL INCOME TAX THAT TRENCH. AND WE CAN DO THAT WHEN ANYTIME WE'VE GOT THE FUNDS SET UP. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN THE CHECKS COME IN, SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND TRANSFER. WELL, THE COUNTY TREASURER, I SET UP THE LINE. WE COULDN'T, WE, I MEAN AFTER THE FUND'S SET UP, IS THERE ANY AT THAT TIME, CAN WE, CAN WE COME BACK AND SAY, WELL THE ONLY THING WE REALLY WANT TO USE THIS FUND FOR IS THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. OR AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT THAT UNDERSTANDING. YEAH, I MEAN, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S PROVIDING US THERE, TRANSFER THE MONEY FROM THERE TO INS AND YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT. BUT DO NOT [01:35:01] CALL THIS FUND YOU'RE SETTING UP FOR THE IS COMPANY. OKAY, THAT WORKS. BUT IF YOU, IS PAYMENT FOR S TAX AND WE CAN COME BACK WITH A WORDING IN THE FUTURE FOR DOING THIS, THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT HAPPENING. THAT WOULD BE THE REASON THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS, THIS MORNING. BUT LET ME ASK YOU AND JACOB, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I I WAS GOING ABOUT USING THAT MONEY. YEAH, FOR THAT. AND LIKE, LIKE SKE SAID, THE REST OF GOES BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY, DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO. THAT'S WHERE MONEY'S COMING FROM. I'M ALL FOR THAT. AND I, AND THEY DON'T MESS HOW TO USE THEIR MONEY. YOU THINK I HAVE TO PAY THE JAIL OFFICER? YOU LIKE THAT? YEAH, I THAT, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE COURT CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE GENERATING THAT MONEY WE CAN PUT TO PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS NEEDING CARS, STUFF LIKE THAT. RIGHT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO TO MAJOR ITEMS THAT, THAT WE TRULY NEED. AND THE RADIO SYSTEM'S SOMETHING WE TRULY NEED. AND THE ONE THING I WANT TO COMMENT TO THAT, JUST TALKING ABOUT COVERAGE IS, IS IN MINOR AREAS. YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER IN TRAVIS RANCH WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S IT. AND THEN UP IN ABEL SPRINGS IS WHERE WE HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS DOWN SOUTH. AND MY MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S POPULAR ACT BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT NEED HELP THAT WE DON'T HELP THAT PERSON. THEN WE GET TRUCK. SO I, I LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL BESIDES IF POPULATED OR NOT, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE TIRE THAT'S DOING THAT AND WHERE THE THREE TIRES WOULD RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM. AND IF YOU SAID IN THE PAST, I WILL DEDICATE, UH, LIEUTENANT MOORE BECAUSE IN THE CONTRACT IT SAYS 98% PORTABLE COVERAGE. AND I'M GONNA MAKE SURE WE GOT 98% PORTABLE COVER WHEN ANYBODY NEEDS SOME HELP, THEY CAN GET OUT. DO CELL PHONES WORK IN THOSE AREAS? NO, THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM. IT DOES NOT. AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND I'M TRYING TO FIGHT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL. I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO CALL DISPATCH. I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT NO, MOST OF THE TIME IT DOESN'T WORK UP THERE. IT MIGHT WORK IN TRAVIS RANCH IN SOME OF THE PLACES, BUT WE CAN'T RELY ON CELL PHONES TODAY. OUR OFFICERS ARE NOT. I'M JUST, THAT WAS MY VEHICLE. RADIOS DON'T WORK AND CELL PHONES DON'T WORK. WILL THIS NEW 700 WORK THERE? YES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE TIRE UP HERE, THERE AND EVERYWHERE. I THINK WE'RE GOING, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA HOLD 'EM THAT 90, I GUARANTEE I GOT LIEUTENANT MOORE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW HE IS. I GUARANTEE HE'S GOING STICK THEM TO THEM. HE'S GONNA GO GRID FOR GRID. WHAT'S GOING TO BE OUR LEVERAGE TO, TO MAKE THEM HOLD THAT? WHAT IF THEY GET IT FIVE? I KNOW IT'S IN THE CONTRACT, BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? NOT THEM IF THEY NO, BUT THEY'RE OBLIGATED IN THE CONTRACT TO PUT ANOTHER SIDE OF IT. SO YOU NEED, SO IT'S, AND KIND LIKE THE, WE NEGOTIATED THAT, HEY Y'ALL DON'T Y'ALL NEED GO SEE THE SITES, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THESE BUILDINGS AND, AND THEY'RE GOING THAT THEY'RE HONORING THEIR CONTRACT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. WELL, AGAIN, I COMMEND Y'ALL FOR, FOR DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE, THE COMPANIES. Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB. I THINK YOU GOT A GOOD PRICE. AND AGAIN, I'M ALL ON BOARD. WE CAN GET THE CITY JUST A, JUST A LETTER OF COMMITMENT. I'M, I'M GOING TO GO WITH IT. MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT BY THE NEXT COMMISSION WILL BE THE BIGGEST LETTER INTENT PROBABLY CAN, BUT CONTRACT AS YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET EVERY ATTORNEY FROM EVERY CITY TO PUT TOGETHER. BUT THAT'S OUR BIGGEST BATTLE AT THIS POINT. AGAIN, WE'VE HAD 10 MONTHS TO DO THIS SINCE WE APPROVED THE INNOVATION OF, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS SENDING STUFF BACK AND CHANGE. AND I GUESS THE BIG THING IS WE NEED TO LET JOHN HAVE ANOTHER COPY OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE PUT IN SUGGESTING AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THE BEST INTEREST FOR OUR SIDE ALSO. SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE TAKING ANOTHER 10 MONTHS? I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T GUARANTEE DEPENDS TELL THE LAWYERS AND EVERYBODY AND ALL CITY GETS TOGETHER. I KNOW THE JUDGE AND THE SHERIFF ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TOGETHER AND START MEETING WITH THE CITY WE'RE ALREADY DISPATCHING FOR. ALRIGHT. OTHER, UH, OTHER COMMENTS, TOM? AS FAR AS, UH, THE, UH, THE BID THAT WE HAVE FROM AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK, HOW GOOD IS THAT? HOW LONG IS THAT BID TODAY? SO IF WE DID NOT ACCEPT THAT TODAY, THEN WE WOULD UH, HAVE TO GO BACK. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND ERIC MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BETTER EXPLANATION WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU GO BACK, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME BIDS AND YOU WILL ALSO HAVE ERIC IF YOU'VE GONE FORWARD. SO THE BANKS WILL ARE GOING, IF YOU COME BACK, IF THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, YOU THE MARKET RATE FOR THAT DAY. BUT IF YOU TURN IT DOWN, YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE NEW BIDS [01:40:01] WHY THAT HAPPENED. THERE'S KIND OF A LEGEND IN LORE AND THE MUNICIPAL BOND ISSUE. WHEN SOMEBODY TURNS DOWN A NEGOTIATED BOND ISSUE, WHICH THIS IS ONCE PRIVATE PLACEMENT, THOSE RATES ARE COMPETITIVE, THEN THEY MAY LOOK AT NOT WANTING TO BID AGAIN OR NOT COMING IN WITH THIS. GOOD. I THINK THAT STATED VERY WELL. YOU GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU MIGHT START CHASING THE MARKET WHERE BANKS KNOW THAT FIRST BID WASN'T ACCEPTED FOR THEM TO REBID AND GO THROUGH CREDIT AGAIN. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TERMS WOULD BE AS FAVOR AND YOU'RE ALSO SUBJECT TO THE MARKET BASIS. SO THE DEADLINE TO DO THIS WITH THESE PARTICULAR INTEREST RATES FROM AMERICAN ACTION BANK YESTERDAY YES. IN THE TERM SHEET IT STATED THAT COMMISSIONER'S COURT WOULD MEET ON TODAY TO DECIDE ON WHO THE IS AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DECIDES NOT TO APPROVE. WE HAVE TO SITUATION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M THE RIGHTS, YOU SAID EARLIER YOU THOUGHT THE RATE, YOU, YOU COULDN'T SEE IT CHANGING MUCH BETWEEN NOW AND THE SUMMER JUST RIGHT? YES SIR. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO PROLONG THIS FOR SIX MONTHS. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ALL THIS OUT AMONGST US AND, AND IT'S A DIFFICULT THING. IT MIGHT BE TWO WEEKS NOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S MUST BEEN GONNA COME TO AN AGREEMENT RIGHT HERE TODAY. YES, SIR. LAST WEEK WE SAW INTEREST RATES MOVE 10 BASIC POINTS IN ONE DAY. YEAH. BUT THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS SCARE US IN BOND MARKET THAT THAT'S A LARGE MOVEMENT. WE ACTUALLY TOOK BIDS ON THIS PRIOR TO THAT DAY, SO I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME MOVEMENTS SINCE BID UNDER TAKEN. SO, OKAY. SO BOTTOM LINE IS, IF WE TABLED THIS TODAY AND TOOK NO ACTION, UH, THERE IS NO PROMISE WE WOULD GET THIS KIND OF INTEREST RATE ON THERE DATE. IN FACT, YOU THINK IT MIGHT EVEN BE HIRING LESS? YES, SIR. UH, WE JUST HAVE TO GO BACK TO EXPLAIN TO EACH COULD BE . I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I NORMALLY DO NOT DO THIS, BUT, UH, SINCE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE, THIS HAS BECOME SUCH A ISSUE. UH, IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON ITEM SIX, UH, I'LL ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR. NOW, BEFORE WE, UH, TAKE THE VOTE HERE, I JUST CONSULTED, WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME PLEASE? MR. CH NEY COUNTY TWO 20. OKAY, THANK YOU. I JUST CONSULTED A MUNICIPAL ATTORNEY WHO TOLD ME THAT PREVIOUS BOARDS CANNOT, UM, COMMIT FUTURE BOARDS, UM, TO, UH, CONTRACTS THAT WERE NOT FINDING WERE THE FINANCING WAS NOT ADDRESSED AND VOTED ON AT THAT TIME. I WAS JUST TOLD THAT PRETTY MUCH I GET CAN I ASK HER QUESTION? SURE. I DON'T WANNA STEP OUT AND TURN THIS, THIS IS NEW TO ME GUYS, SO Y'ALL HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH ME. THE, UH, MY QUESTION IS, IF WE DESIGNATE A FUND, KIND OF LIKE I BROUGHT UP, WE'RE MAKING MONEY FROM THE JAIL, THIS WON'T BE A TAX VERSION OF THE TAXPAYERS AT ALL. HUNDRED PERCENT. SO WE'RE GONNA GET SOME MONEY FROM THE FUND. WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING ABLE TO? MY RADIO AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY THING I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IS THE, UH, SYSTEM THAT WE CAN GET FOR $300,000. THE WHAT? THE SYSTEM WE CAN GET FOR $300,000. WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING A SYSTEM FOR $300. WE'RE GETTING, IS IT? I GUESS EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY $300,000 FOR. CONSOLE. CONSOLE. YOU HOOK UP BASE UNITS TOO, SO YOU'RE STILL BACK TO YOUR ANALOG AND YOUR REGULAR RADIO NOT, NOT TAKING UP THE SYSTEM. I MISSED 20. AND THE, AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU'RE IN THE NOW DAY TECHNOLOGY INSTEAD OF 12 YEAR TECHNOLOGY. OKAY. CAN I SOMETHING? YES. OUR COUNTRY IS BEING RIPPED APART BY BARACK OBAMA AND ALL HIS LITTLE MINIONS AND, UH, HARD FINANCIAL TIMES ARE COMING. RIGHT. AND YOU DON'T PREPARE FOR THEM BY BEING IN $63 MILLION DEBT. THAT'S NOT HOW IT GETS DONE. WE NEED TO BE PREPARING, EVENTUALLY THE BOTTOM'S GONNA DROP OUT. WHAT THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS ALSO ARE DOING IS UNSUSTAINABLE AND EVENTUALLY THE BOTTOM'S GONNA DROP OUT AND WE NEED TO BE READY. AND YOU DON'T DO IT BY GOING INTO DEBT. I WANT PEOPLE TO BE SAFE. I WANT [01:45:01] PEOPLE TO HAVE POLICE AND FIRE SERVICE. I'M ALL FOR THAT. BUT DISASTER'S COMING AND WE NEED TO BE READY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS STUFF. OKAY. OKAY. LET ME CLARIFY. WHAT IS THE $300,000 SYSTEM I'M NOT AWARE OF? JUDGE, THERE IS NO $300,000 SYSTEM TO JUST DO. THE CONSOLE IS 1.81. JUST JUST FOR THE DISPATCH PART OF IT. THAT'S IN THE NEW AREA, RIGHT? YES SIR. WE JUST REPLACED THE CONSOLE AT THE JAIL. THEY SAID AT THE END OF LIFE, WHAT WOULD THAT COST? GEORGIA? KEN TODAY THE ORACLE COMP SYSTEM, WE HAVE BEEN THERE OVER 10 YEARS AGO. THEY HAVE TO BUILD THE COMPONENTS TO THAT UNDERSTAND SAYING, REPLACING THE, THE, THE DISPATCH CONSOLE THAT'S THERE WITH A CONSOLE THAT WILL BE COMPATIBLE, WHICH I THINK THEY ALL ARE NOW WITH THE 700 ZERO AND WELL, AGAIN, THERE'S A TWO PHASE APPROACH. THE VHF APPROACH, THERE'S 1.7 WOULD BE THE SOLUTION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS 3.67. THAT INCLUDES A LAYER DEPLOYMENT OF SEVEN OH MEGAS. SO WE INITIALLY WOULD GO LIVE WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE PLACE, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO. WE HS REPLACE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE NEW EQUIPMENT AT THE, ALL THE BACKROOM EQUIPMENT, THE TOWER, THE COMMUNICATION FROM THAT SITE BACK TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THE CONSOLE THAT ARE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT STATE. AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. YES. NEVER. WE NEVER BID WE EVER BID THAT PATH. PHASE ONE IS 1.3 MILLION AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF NEW SIZE. THAT'S WE NEVER DID REPLACING BROKE. RIGHT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, UH, INSPECT BOTH? ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT VOTE FOR THIS COURT AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD, UH, A LOT FROM BOTH SIDES. UH, I HOPE EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THE FACT THAT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN ABLE TO GENERATE AND THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WILL CONTINUE TO GENERATE FUNDS, UH, THAT WILL BE USED. WE CAN'T OFFICIALLY, UH, DO THAT ACCORDING TO WHERE IS NOW, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SET UP A FUND THAT CAN BE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS BE TRANSFERRED TO HELP PAY OFF THESE, UH, THE DEBT OBLIGATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE. SO DOES ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE A UH, ANOTHER COMMENT BEFORE WE, UH, CALL FOR A VOTE? KENNETH, JIM, EXCUSE. I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE COULD POSSIBLY RENEGOTIATE THE LEASE PURCHASE CONTRACT WITH TERRACE AND FUND IT THROUGH THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUND. IF WE DESIGNATE ONE COMING FROM THE FEDERAL MARSHALL. IF IF, OKAY, IF WE DID THIS, IF WE DID THIS AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE THAT'S NOT A BOND ISSUE, IT WOULD TAKE A DIFFERENT ORDER. YEAH, IT TAKE A DIFFERENT ORDER. NO, I MEAN IT'S IT'S A TOTAL DIFFERENT, I MEAN IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UM, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, UH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GONNA PAY BY PAY FOR IT BY LEASE PURCHASE AND WE'RE DESIGNATING AND WE CAN ACTUALLY DESIGNATE THAT MONEY ON YEAH. LET WE, WE'VE GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO LET'S, LET'S DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT BEFORE WE VOTE. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO TABLE? UM, WHATEVER IT IS. NUMBER SIX. FIVE AND SIX. FIVE AND SIX HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER ZA. DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, I SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. UH, BEFORE WE VOTE, LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND I THINK WE PROBABLY DO. UH, THIS WOULD MEAN THAT THE INTEREST RATE WE HAVE FROM AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK NORWAY, UH, IT ALSO MEAN THAT WE WOULD RENEGOTIATED WITH HARRIS COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THESE PURCHASING. I BELIEVE THAT'S YOUR, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. UH, PROBABLY AT A HIGHER INTEREST RATE. THAT, BUT PROBABLY IT COULD BE THEIR, THEIR INTEREST IN THEIR LEASE PURCHASE OPTION WAS, UH, I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. UH, APPARENTLY MORE MONEY. OKAY. BUT IF WE CAN PAY IT OFF IN A FEW YEARS WITH MONEY FROM OUR FEDERAL MARSHAL INMATE MONEY, THE INTEREST RATE REALLY WOULD NOT BE THAT RELEVANT. WHICH WE COULD ALSO DO WITH THE WISHES. [01:50:02] JUST BRING UP I HAVE NOT SEEN THE LEASE PURCHASE, UH, THING THAT THE IS PROVIDED. BUT YOU WOULD ENTER THAT IN THE SAME STATUTE, YOUR D ISSUE, THIS CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS AND YOU CAN ALSO, THAT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT. YEAH. THAT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE ISSUE THERE ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S STRUCTURED OR YOU'RE HAVING TO LET THE ATTACKS ALSO, IT DEPENDS ON THE FORM OF CONTRACT THAT YOU USE. SO YOU MAY HAVE THE SAME, SAME THING WITH THAT LEASE PURCHASE 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOTTEN WITH THIS. ALRIGHT, LET ME, UH, RECOGNIZE THE COMMISSIONER APPLICANT. THE ONLY, ONLY OTHER KICK ON THAT WOULD BE IF OUR NUMBERS SHOULD FALL OFF AS NOT GENERATING THIS, I DUNNO ABOUT THE PICKLE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S COMING FROM GENERAL. I DUNNO. I WAS ABOUT TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING BEST FINAL OFFER WE TRY TO GET A BETTER RATE FROM HARRIS. THEY DIDN'T KNOCK OFF THE RATE IT WAS STILL AND, UH, I THE FINANCE SIDE TO, TO THE AUDITOR. BUT I KNOW BACK IN THE DAY WHAT I TRYING TO DO, EVERY TIME YOU PURCHASE A DUMP TRUCK OR A MOTOR GRADE, THEY LOOK AT HOW MUCH IS OUT THERE THAT NOT AFFECT. THAT'S TRUE. COMMISSIONER SHANE. OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR TO TABLE ITEM. UH, SIX FIVE. UH, ALL IN FAVOR IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR, UH, HAND HAVE THREE, UH, AND DENIED VOTE NO. MR. ALLEN VOTES? NO, THE MOTION, UH, CARRIES. SO THAT MEANS THAT, UH, WE WILL DELAY ACTION ON THIS ITEM AND, UH, GETS UPSET. UH, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. I'D LIKE TO, UH, GET US THROUGH THIS. WE HAVE THIS AFTERNOON. UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER PURCHASING THE POLICE PURSUIT VEHICLES AND RELATED EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT FOR COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT INFORMATION. HAVE QUESTION SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO, UH, E VEHICLES CONTRACT WHILE WE'RE TRYING. PLEASE EXCUSE. I CAN'T HEAR AS YOU'RE AWARE. I THINK YOU GOT A COPY. THIS, THIS IS ON BOB MOORE CONTRACT, SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN BID OUT, SO TO SPEAK. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, EIGHT VEHICLES, UH, 37,000 9 42 A PIECE. AND, UH, FEDERAL IS 3 8 1 60 5 CENTS FEES TOTAL OF 40 1007 POINT PER VEHICLE FOR A GRAND, ALL THE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY, RYAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO IT? UH, NO SIR. I, I THINK I PROVIDED ALL THE INFORMATION TO ANYBODY WOULD NEED ON OUR FLEET. UH, YOU GOT THE ESTIMATE TO WHAT WE GOT. UH, I'VE SHOWED YOU HOW I'VE GOT THE QUARTERS. UH, I'VE ALSO SHOWED YOU THE BID ON THE TAHOE, THE VEHICLE WE RECOMMENDED AND ALSO THE CAMERAS THAT WE'RE RUNNING AT THIS TIME. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE COPY OF THE WHOLE FLEET. ANY Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ONLY ONLY KIND OF QUESTIONS I HAD, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HAVE YOU ANSWER ALL MY QUESTIONS, MOST OF THAT. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN. I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN QUESTION THAT. UM, BUT I DID GO A LIST OF CARS AND, AND THE PEOPLE AND I GUESS IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT, THAT, UH, I WISH WE HAD, I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE CARS, YOU KNOW, AND I, ME AND YOU DISCUSSED THAT. I WISH THAT WE HAD I A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION [01:55:01] ON HOW CARS ARE DONE AND MAYBE A CHECKOUT PROCEDURE THAT THAT WORKS FOR ME. THINGS LIKE, AND EVEN ON THE REPORT YOU HAVE THE SAME KIND, THE CANINE OFFICER ASSIGNED THE TWO CARS. UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP HERE. I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I I JUST LOOK AT 'EM AND I, AND I GET CONFUSED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY JAIL CARS AND ONE, UH, ALL SIGNED TO THE SAME PERSON PLUS THE BUS PLUS THE THING. I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TO, FOR AND, AND I'M, THEY PROBABLY FOR A GOOD CAUSE I'M NOT SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE EXPLANATION SO THAT I CAN SEE IT SO THAT I UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BETTER. THAT'S ALL. AND, AND THEN THE SPARES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD SPARES ALL LISTED TOGETHER OR MAYBE IN ONE GROUP, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, WELL, WE TRY TO KEEP OUR NUMBERS TOGETHER AROUND THE CARS BEFORE WE MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT NUMBERS UP TO 300 AND WHY WE GOT THAT ASPECT. I CAN'T GIVE, YOU CAN'T. NO, NO. I GOT, BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST STARTED THIS AS LIEUTENANT IN A PATROL, WE HAD THIS, UH, ACCESS. WELL, AND THEN IT GOT BLOWN OUT TO SOME DEGREE. I, I'LL ADMIT. AND THEN NOW WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING IT BACK UNDER ME. AND, UH, CHIEF EVANS HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS AND TRYING TO GET THIS. I I I KNOW YOU HAVE HOLDING IT TO A STANDARD EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. AND YOU KNOW, FAR AS THE JAIL GOT SOME SUGGESTIONS TO TO, TO YOU AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF CARS WE HAVE ON HERE AND THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL THAT WE HAVE, UM, AND I GET IT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS SOMEONE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GHE, WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE INMATES, SO WE HAVE TO PUT PARTS TO THE HOSPITAL OR OTHER FIELDS. SO WE HAVE TO DO THAT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE SUPPOSED SHORT HANDED EVERYBODY IN TRANSPORT, WE'RE DOING FEDERAL STUFF, PLUS WE'RE PULLING PEOPLE OFF DAYS OFF TO GO DO THIS FEDERAL STUFF. YEAH. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TIED UP PLUS COURT. YOU KNOW, I, I'LL GIVE CREDIT TO THE COURTS UP HERE. JUDGE AND STUFF HAS GOT TOGETHER AND WE'RE RUNNING A LOT OF INMATES THROUGH HERE. SO THAT TAKES PEOPLE AND THAT TAKES VEHICLE. SO ONCE YOU SAY YOU START MOVING, MOVING INMATES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PLACE AND TRANSPORT, IT TAKES VEHICLES. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW AT THE JAIL. AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE ONE OF 'EM, CASE ONE OF 'EM BREAK DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE OLDER VEHICLES IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THEM AND THEY TO BE, AND SO WE MOVE THEM OVER AND ALL THESE, THESE PARTICULAR ONES, AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED, AND YOU TOLD ME THAT WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON RECORD. ALL THESE ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO PATROL, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THESE ARE ALL PATROL VEHICLES AND YOU'LL GET EIGHT VEHICLE BACK. WELL, I, I GUESS JACK OR JACK EIGHT VEHICLES OUT. YEAH. GUARANTEE. OKAY. ABLE, ABLE TO RETIRE SOME OF THESE REAL HIGH MILEAGE. THAT'S WHAT SAID THE AIN'T OUR OWN PATROL EITHER. THEY'RE GOING TO PATROL, WE'VE GOTTA GET SOME OF THESE OLDER VEHICLES OFF. YEP. THEY'RE DANGEROUS. THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN. AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE STARTED TAKING PICTURES LAST WEEK. SO NEXT AGENDA WE'LL HAVE, UH, PERMISSION TO ADVERTISE FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. I GOT, UH, JUST A COUPLE ON THE PATROL. IF YOU'RE SHOWING 23 PATROL VEHICLES, UH, 17 OF THEM ARE ASSIGNED AND SIX HAVE NO ASSIGNMENTS, HOW MANY PATROL UNITS ARE ON THE STREET ON, ON THE DAY? LIKE THE, THE NIGHT SHIFT. DAY SHIFT, IF WE'RE FULL, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EIGHT. IS THAT NOT CORRECT CHIEF? EIGHT. EIGHT. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EIGHT. THE SUPERVISOR 24 A DAY. YEAH. WHEN WE'RE FULL. REMEMBER WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CLOSE TO FULL. UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THESE VEHICLES AS OPEN. YEAH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DEPUTY TO PUT IN. I UNDERSTAND. AND ON THE JAIL YOU'RE SHOWING FOUR VEHICLES. UM, I THINK, UH, THREE X HAS FOUR. THE VAN AND A BUS IN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M NOT COUNTING THE, THE BUS OR THE VANS, BUT YOU'VE GOT FOUR THE JAIL AND THEN YOU'VE GOT FIVE IN TRANSPORT AND THREE IN EVIDENCE. UM, WHY WOULD WE HAVE A SEPARATE VEHICLE FOR EVIDENCE? WHY? YEAH. 'CAUSE WE, WE, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT PROCESS THESE SCENES INTO THAT HAD THAT VEHICLE. YEAH, BUT YOU'VE GOT CID UM, YOU'VE GOT 20 AND CID TO THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DISTRICT DIVISIONS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS THAT GO OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE IT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT CRIME SCENE INDIVIDUALS GO OUT THERE AND COLLECT EVIDENCE AND TAKE PICTURES AND DO ALL THAT. NO, THEY'RE NOT THE INVESTIGATORS THAT DO. HUH? THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS DON'T DO THE INVESTIGATIONS. YEAH, THEY DO THE INVESTIGATION BUT THEY DON'T DO THE CRIME SCENE, THE PROCESS, THE CRIME. THEY GOT PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE, I MEAN, WHO, WHO ARE YOUR INVESTIGATORS? [02:00:01] I DIDN'T SEE ANY, UH, NAMES WITH THE, WITH THE EVIDENCE. UM, IT JUST SAYS EVIDENCE ON, DO YOU HAVE A REGULAR CID VAN OR THAT HAS ON THE YES. A CRIME SCENE VAN CRIME SCENE VAN CRIME, YES. I DON'T WHAT WHAT, WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, THE EVIDENCE VEHICLES. WELL, YOU'VE GOT, UM, OKAY, WHAT NUMBER, NUMBER NUMBER 13. OKAY. UH, IS IT JUST SAID EVIDENCE. THAT'S THE EVIDENCE VAN THAT'S GOT EVERYTHING IN IT. IT GOT ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND IT, AND IT STAYS PLUGGED UP WHEN IT'S NOT USED FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT UNITS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN ALL THE LIGHTS AND ALL THAT STUFF. OKAY. AND THEN 1 26 THAT ASSIGNED TO MR. MCGEE AND HE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT'S OVER THAT, THAT UNIT AND IN PROCESSING OF ALL THE EVIDENCE. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER ALSO THEY DO CRIME SCENE, BUT IN EVIDENCE THEY ALSO GOT THE COURT ORDERS TO DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE. THEY HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE EVIDENCE TO THE LAB SO THEY'RE ALWAYS BUSY. THE TECH AND THAT ONE INSTEAD RUNNING BACK AND FORTH AND, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER ONE IS 2 9 6. THAT'S ANOTHER EVIDENCE. VEHICLE EVIDENCE. WE HAVE A, THAT, THAT'S KIM AND THAT'S THE EVIDENCE TECH. OKAY. SO I, I I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, I MEAN THAT'S A FORD EXPLORER IS IN FULL, SHE'S GOT SOME EVIDENCE, PLUS SHE ALSO TRANSPORTS STUFF. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET STUFF, WE JUST DON'T, WE DON'T SEND THEM BOTH. WE HAVE TO GO DIFFERENT WAYS TO PROCESS EVIDENCE. SOME OF 'EM ARE OUT THERE AT THE COURT GETTING ORDERS TO DESTROY EVIDENCE. SO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP THAT PROCESS GOING. AND THEN WE'RE ALWAYS TAKING EVIDENCE, BUT WE ALWAYS GOT EVIDENCE COMING IN FROM THOSE AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE TO THE LAB TO GET PROCESSED WHERE WE CAN GO TO COURT WITH TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT ITEM IS. AND THEN ON THE CID, WE'VE GOT 20 VEHICLES, UH, LISTED AS CID UH, 11 OF THEM ARE ASSIGNED NINE OR OR NO ASSIGNMENTS. UC CARS. THEY'RE UC CARS. AND IF YOU, IF YOU NOTICE IN MOST OF 'EM, IF WE PUT PUT THERE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN LOOK AT 'EM. LIKE THE BAIT VEHICLE. THAT'S A VEHICLE WE SET OUT. YEAH. AND, AND WE DO THAT. THE OTHER ONES ARE UNDERCOVER VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE TO OFTEN ROTATE WITH OUR NARCOTIC AGENCIES. WE JUST CAN'T RUN THE SAME CAR EVERY TIME. WE HAVE TO ROTATE THEM, KEEP THEM OUT AND ALWAYS KEEP FRESH CARS MOVING. WELL, THEY'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE DRIVING. WE CAN'T. AND THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP SEVERAL CARS TO DO THAT. WHAT WHAT ABOUT THE THOSE? HOW MANY CAN CANINE UNITS DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE FOUR. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPARE CANINE UNITS BECAUSE ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN IT. YOU GOTTA HAVE THE CAGES, THE HOT DOG SYSTEM AND ALL THAT TO PROTECT THAT DOG HERE IN THE HEAT. ARE THEY ON DUTY? UH, 24 HOURS A DAY. THEY'RE NOT ON 24 HOURS A DAY. I MEAN, DO WE HAVE A CANINE UNIT? YES. YES. THEY WORK DAY AND NIGHT THERE. FOUR OF 'EM, WERE ALWAYS ROTATING THEM OUT. SO EVERY TIME IF THEY'RE NOT OUT ON THE STREET, THEY'RE TRAINING. OKAY. SO EVERY, EVERY DEPUTY ON K NINE HAS THEIR OWN VEHICLE AND AND THEY TAKE IT HOME AND THEY TAKE THE DOG. YES. ARE WE PLANNING TO HAVE A FIFTH CANINE UNIT OR NO? THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT A SPARE FOR. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPARE CAR FOR HIM AND IT'S GOTTA HAVE ALL THAT EQUIPMENT FOR. OKAY, VERY GOOD. APPRECIATE IT. YES, I'M GLAD TO SEE WE'RE DOWN TO 99 FROM 147 TO WELL IF 147 WASN'T A TRUE, ACCURATE NUMBER THAT HAD TRAILERS AND ALL IN IT, AS YOU REMEMBER. I, I STATED THAT WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED DOING ALL THE TRAILERS AND EVERYTHING. AND I ALSO HAD A STITCH STEER LOADER THAT WE ALSO GAVE YOU. UH, IT HAD ALL THEM NUMBERS IN THERE. THAT'S WHY WE GOT DOWN TO METER AND NOT TRAILERS. VERY GOOD. THEY DID A GREAT JOB. UH, I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT YOU HAVE WHAT, 24 OR 28 SEIZURES, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT, THAT'S A THIRD OF THE VEHICLE ON THE FLEET. AND THAT'S C-I-C-I-D AND AND PART OF THE EVIDENCE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING SEIZE VEHICLES THAT THE TAXPAYERS DIDN'T PAY. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS? ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. I MAKE A MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION. UH, COMMISSIONER ALLEN, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. MR. CH SECOND. UH, MOTION. ANY OF DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. THOSE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. UH, NUMBER EIGHT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER INSTALLATION OF PHASE THREE ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEM FOR THE KAMAN COUNTY JAIL UTILIZING T 5 84, UH, GENTLEMEN, AS YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS PHASE THREE OF, OF THE, UH, REDOING THE, UH, UH, SECURITY OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR ACCESS CONTROL. WHAT HAVE 30 AND UNDER CONTRACT STATE CONTRACT VENDOR APPROVED, UH, PASSES [02:05:01] THE PURE TEST. SO, UH, BASED ON, ON, UH, THAT OKAY, YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? THIS IS OUR FINAL, FINAL. I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE PAGE. JUDGE, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER? WOULD BE THE LAST ONE. AND THIS IS LOCKING SYSTEM INSIDE THE LOCK THE INTERCOM SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS MANDATED. I'D LIKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MR. SHANE SECOND MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. NUMBER, UH, NINE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADVERTISING BID ON SITE RECYCLING OF ASPHALT MILLING SERVICES. OKAY. UH, MR. ROSA, UH, REQUESTED THIS, THIS IS A, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS AN ONSITE MILL PROCESS. I GUESS THE MIX MATERIAL, IT'S A RECYCLING PROCESS. THEY, THEY TAKE OUR EXISTING CRUSHED ASPHALT, ASPHALT BUILDINGS THAT WE GET TO STATE AND MIX 3% OIL WITH THE VILLAGES. AND THEY PRODUCE US A TAX MATERIAL THAT WE CAN HAVE FOR, UH, 24 A TON IS THEIR PRICE FOR THE, FOR THE, THE SCREENING AND OIL AND THE PROCESS OF MIXING THE OIL AND RIGHT. THAT'LL BE, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT HALF PRICE PATCH MATERIAL FOR WHAT WE GETTING. GOOD. THEY HAVE SOME MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A THOUSAND TONS, UH, FOR THEM TO MOVE IN INTO ONE SITE. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE A THOUSAND TONS, THERE'S NO MOVE IN COST. JUST COST. SO I SUGGEST WE GO OUT TO BIDS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY MORE COMPANIES THAT DO THAT. AND MAYBE WE NEED TO GET A BETTER PRICE, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST WE'LL GET US SOME VERY GOOD MATERIAL FOR HALF OF WHAT WE'RE USED TO PAY. SO LIKE MATERIAL WE JUST GOT FROM THE STATE WE ALL GET. NO, YOU'LL HAVE, I DON'T, YOU DIDN'T GET THE 350 OR 60. I MEAN WE ALL WENT TOGETHER. YEAH, THE TOTAL. YES, BUT THE PRODUCT WOULD'VE TO BE AT ONE SIDE. ONE SIDE OR IF YOU HAD A THOUSAND TONS. IF YOU HAULED IN A THOUSAND TONS OF CRUSHED ASPHALT, THEY MOVE THE MACHINE TO YOUR SITE AND NO ADDITIONAL COST OTHER THAN THE 24. SO GO OUT AND, UM, SEE IF THERE, JUDGE, I HAVE, I HAVE A PROPOSED, UH, CLOSING DATE OF UH, UH, MARCH 5TH AT 2:00 PM AND THE OFFICE OF PER FOR BIDS. AND I'LL GET WITH THE COMMISSIONER. SET UP. PRETTY GOOD DAY. MAKE A MOTION. GO OUT THE BIDS FOR ON SITE SECOND. HAVE A COMMISSIONER MAKES THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THANK YOU. NUMBER 10 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING LINE ITEM T. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR TRANSFER HEARING? I DID ON ONE, UH, PAGE FIVE WITH NO, UH, ANIMAL CONTROL CONTRACT. I'M SORRY. WRONG PAGE. I CHECK GET, ALRIGHT. UM, THE FIRST PAGE HERE. MM-HMM . WHAT IS THIS? SHOWING REVENUE GOING AGAIN FOR BOTH ACCOUNTS. NO, IT REVENUES GOING IN AND WHICH WE WE'RE BEING REIMBURSED INSURANCE. THIS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE I GOT ONE THAT I HAVE. ALRIGHT. THIS IS TO DO WITH BUYING VEHICLES BECAUSE I HAVE HAVE VEHICLE, I'M SUGGEST [02:10:09] 8 28. NO, NO. SET THAT BUDGET. YOU SET THAT BUDGET TO THE COURT. ONCE Y'ALL ADOPT THAT BUDGET, IT'S AN ORDER. FOLLOW THAT BUDGET. YOU GET ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T, YOU GET TO MOVE TO SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH, I TO DO THE LINE TRANSFER TO CLEAN IT UP AGENDA. IT WASN'T PART OF THE YEAH. WHEN I WENT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO ASK. YEAH. THIS IS WHAT I GOT PREPARED THIS AND TALKED ABOUT IT. BEFORE WE CHANGE OF THOSE, IT HAS TO BE AN ITEM COURT. IT'S FINE. IS THERE ANYTHING, IF YOU BUDGET THREE $52,000 FOR VEHICLES AND THEY SPEND 252, YOU NEED TO PROVE FOR ME TO TAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY GONNA, EVERY DEPARTMENT WILL DO SO THEY CAN'T GET THAT BACK. HAVE TO. ONCE WE APPROVE THOSE, THEY CAN'T IT BACK. I GOT IT. GOT. OKAY. ANYBODY, ANYBODY SAYS WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ASK YOU TO APPROVE IT THAT WAY IN THE BUDGET IF THAT'S OKAY. Y'ALL DOES IT SO FAR. I'M JUST DOWN. THAT'S THE WAY I CALCULATED IT. [02:15:02] ITEM TRANSFER. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER. SECOND. COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SAY I. OPPOSED? NEXT ITEM IS CLOSE. DISCUSS, CONSIDER. ALRIGHT. YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE MILLION $1,552 AND 60 CENTS. NOW WHAT QUESTION DID YOU HAVE ABOUT THESE TWO AND 3-YEAR-OLD COURT APPOINTED BILLS? AGAIN, YOU GONNA GET THE SAME ANSWER? I WANNA SEE SOME IN WRITING FOR THE DISTRICT JUDGE. ORDER US THREE YEAR, NOT JUDGE, SIGN OFF ON THIS. WE HAVE, YES SIR. THOSE ARE CHECKS WE NEED TO GET HIM TO SIGN. WE NEED HIM TO SIGN OFF ON IT'S NOT JUST ONE JUDGE. IT'S ALL THREE ONE. THEY ALL, THEY ALL HAVE. YEAH. I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING BAD. GOOD. THESE PEOPLE HAVE COURT. WHY CAN THEY NOT KEEP UP WITH WE CAN, WE CAN IS WE WOULD'VE A WORKSHOP WITH THE JUDGES ATTORNEY. I THINK, I THINK ONE ATTORNEY. I THINK I THREE YEARS ON YOUR, ON YOUR BIG PACKET. YOU GOT ON PAGE 32. I'M A CHECK THAT AN ERROR 70 BOTTOM. THAT'S GONNA BE FOUR ON. YES SIR. AND ON PAGE 56 AND SIGNED THIS, THOSE CHECKS HAD BEEN MADE OR I TRANSPORTATION SERVICE AND IT SHOULD BE SO WE HAVE THAT CORRECT ALSO, WHICH PART OF YOUR, EVERYTHING THAT SUBMITTED TO US SAYING HE HAD DONE IT FOR FREEZING INVOICE. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UH, WE ONLY HAD ONE TABLE DEFENSE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, ESPECIALLY TRIAL, YOU DON'T HAVE SITTING THE SAME TABLES THAT THOSE TWO TABLES, THAT'S WHAT [02:20:01] THAT WAS FOR. OKAY. I WHAT IT IS. OKAY. WHAT WHAT IS THE DOCTOR NAME? DAVIS. JIMMY DAVIS. JIMMY DAVIS. I MEAN WHO ARE THESE PSYCHS? IS THIS JUDICIAL? YOU'VE ASKED THAT BEFORE. FAR AS PEOPLE THAT ARE IN DEVELOPED PROBATION AND THEY PAY THE FEE, BUT HE BUY AS PART OF THEIR PROBATION. HE, SOMEBODY HAS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE AS REQUIRED AS PART THEIR SENTENCE. AND SO HE GETS PAID FOR THAT. THEY DO IT ON SATURDAYS. WEEKENDS. WELL THIS IS A MICHAEL IFFERENT. THIS IS A DIFFERENCE. LIKE I I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I REMEMBER THAT THIS IS DIFFERENCE WAS FOR TWO MONTHS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY CHARGE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALKING ABOUT THAT. YES. HOLD ON JUST SECOND. I'LL MY GET WITH DENNIS ABOUT THAT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET, PROBABLY GET JUDGE, TRY GET SOME UNDERSTANDING. I RECEIVED ONE BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE THE SERVICE. I UNDERSTAND. [02:25:01] AND MAYBE THE JUDGES BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE ATTORNEY FEES ON ATTORNEY FEES. AND IT COULD BE BECAUSE YOU NEED MOTION. YEAH. AND THEN UNDER COURT FOUR 22ND DISTRICT COURT, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THERE FROM NINE OR 13. THEN THE REST OF THEM LOOKED LIKE A COUNTY COURT AT LAW. . IF ONE OF 'EM DIDN'T HAVE A COMPLETE DATE THERE, I'M ASSUMING IT'S 2011. BEGINNING DATE, 12TH BEGINNING DATE, DATE. CAN'T SAY 2011. AND SO THE DATE WAS THREE ONE THAT WOULD BEEN SO HIGH. HAD OFF THE FIFTH FROM THE BOTTOM. THIS ONE ENDING. THEN THE VERY NEXT ONE WAS ENDED IN 12 2013. 13TH. NINE UNDER 13, THEN THREE. THE NEXT PAGE 25 10. I LEFT FROM 10 25. ABOVE THAT. NOT, WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE MAY, BUT THIS, THIS NEVER HAPPENED THIS YEAR. KAREN, YOU REMEMBER SEEING BILL THREE, 4-YEAR-OLD FROM WE DID HAVE A GROUP. WE, WE WORK THOSE AS FAST AS WE GIVE THEM. WILL THE STATE RECOGNIZE FOUR YEAR? ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE GONNA, I MAKE A MOTION. WE PAY THE BILLS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS THAT ARE NOT FROM THIS, THAT ARE PREVIOUS TO THIS BUDGET YEAR. AND ARE YOU GONNA STICK WITH THE ONE WHERE YOU DID PRIOR, UH, THE EXCEPTION IN THE DEFENSE BILLS DATE PRIOR DECEMBER 30? YES. SO ANYTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR, I MEAN AFTER BEFORE 20 SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2014. NOT ANYTHING. NOT ANYTHING. 13. THE PRIOR BUDGET YEAR 9 30 13. SO DATED PRIOR TO DISPOSITION PRIOR TO THAT. THEY'RE JUST NOW BILLING. OKAY. SO LET'S MAKE THIS CLEAR SO IT DOESN'T GET CHANGED IN AN EMAIL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BEING INDIGENT DEFENSE. FIFTH, WITH THE DISPOSITION DATE PRIOR TO [02:30:03] SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2014. YES. OKAY. SO MOTION TO APPROVE DEFENSE TO EPTEMBER SEPTEMBER 30. DISPOSITION. CAN WE GET THAT DISPOSITION? THE WAS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PAYING THAT THE DISPOSITION DATE PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 30. ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. APPROVE THE BILLS MOTION. I THINK MR. MADE THE MOTION. THE MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR MOTION. MOTION MAKES THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? WE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF UPSTAIRS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.