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THE WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE KAMAN COUNTY COMMISSION SCHOOL.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS MORNING.

AND, UH, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING, UH, HERE, JUST IN A MOMENT.

I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE, UH, THAT I'VE, UH, WE POSTED ANOTHER AGENDA ON OUR WEBSITE AND I MADE COPIES THIS MORNING.

UH, IF THE WEATHER FORECAST IS COMPLETE FOR MONDAY, OR CORRECT FOR MONDAY, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY NOT NOT BE AT WORK BECAUSE OF THE, UH, POSSIBILITY OF SLEEP.

NOW WE ALL KNOW THAT CAN CHANGE DRAMATICALLY OVER THE WEEKEND, BUT WE'LL POST IT IMMEDIATELY AND WE'LL GET OUR, IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, WE'LL NOTIFY EVERYBODY THAT IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET MONDAY.

BUT IF WE DO NOT MEET MONDAY, WE'LL MOVE THIS MEETING TO TUESDAY.

AND, UH, AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET ON TUESDAY, WE'LL MEET ON WEDNESDAY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE IN IMPORTANT BUSINESS THAT WE DO NEED TO CONDUCT AS A PART OF, UH, OF THIS MONTH'S OF JULY.

LAST MEETING, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

WE HAVE THREE MAJOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, UH, THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IN JUST A MOMENT.

BUT I THINK BEFORE WE, UH, START THIS MORNING, UH, JACKIE, WOULD YOU MIND OPENING US PRAYER FATHER, THANK YOU.

JUST FOR ALLOWING US TO BE IN SUCH A FREE COUNTRY SO WE CAN LIVE AND DO THE THINGS THAT WE DO.

AND WE PRAY THAT YOU GIVE US THE WISDOM WE NEED WHEN WE GOVERN THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS THAT WE KNOW WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE KNOW THAT YOU'LL ALWAYS GUIDE US IF WE ALWAYS TURN TO YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE.

AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING ON THE FRONT, PROTECT THEM, BUT THEY CAN COME HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES ALSO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FIRST ITEM, WELL LET ANYBODY TO YOU TWO.

WELL, WE, UH, I THINK WE TRY TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

THE SAY THAT, UH, I WENT TO THE CAPITAL FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE DAYS AND I DID A LOT OF WORK TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MONEY THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THAT MONEY DOES EXIST.

UH, I'VE EVEN TALKED TO SOME OTHER LEADERS AND THEY SAID THEY ALSO KNOW ABOUT IT, THE CONTROLLER, HIS OFFICE DIDN'T, THEY'VE BEEN CONTACTED.

THEY GOT ON IT TOO.

THEY KNOW ABOUT IT.

OUR DISTRICT REP, DR.

SPITZER AND, UH, OUR, OUR DISTRICT SENATOR, MR. HALL, THEIR STAFF ARE BOTH COMMUNICATED TO FIND OUT WHERE IT IS, HOW MUCH IT IS, AND HOW THEY CAN GET LANGUAGE DRAFTED TO TRY TO GET IT BACK TO, WELL, NOT JUST OUR COUNTY, BUT OTHER COUNTIES AS WELL.

IT, IT, IT IS IN A TRUST.

AND TO GET IT BACK, THEY HAVE TO, WHAT WILLIAM HAGER SAID IS THEY HAVE TO DRIVE LANGUAGE TO GET HIM TO BE ABLE TO DISPERSE IT BACK.

NOW, THERE WAS NO, WAS NO INDICATION WHAT WE COULD USE THAT MONEY FOR.

AND AS I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT AS WE DISCUSSED FURTHER THIS MORNING, 9 1 1 AND EMERGENCY DISPATCH, TWO SEPARATE ANIMALS.

AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT MONEY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR ONE OR THE OTHER, OR BOTH.

AND THAT'S, BUT, BUT IT IS NOT A MYTH.

I, I, I'M AWARE OF THAT.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE MIKE EASTLAND, WHO IS THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, UH, OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHY HE'S COMING OVER TODAY.

I MEAN SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THOSE THINGS THEY SAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'RE RUMORS A LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T KNOW THE REAL OR NOT.

THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY, THERE'S SOME SUBSTANCE TO IT AND THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET IT BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL SAVE MY OTHER PART FOR LATER.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, FIRST ITEM, MR. HERE IS FROM JUDGE WILEY.

AND, UH, JOHN LONG, ACTUALLY ABOUT REBECCA, UH, HERE.

REBECCA AND I ARE BETTER THAN JOHN TODAY.

JOHN IS COMING.

HE JUST RAN IN A LITTLE TRAFFIC IN DALLAS.

TALK ABOUT THE, UH, INFORMATION AND TRAINING ON THE LEGAL PROCESS OF DECLARING COUNTY ROADS AND ADDING THE OFFICIAL ROADMAP.

SO WE'LL TURN OVER.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY.

JUDGE, WE, THIS IS JUST INFORMATION.

UM, IF THERE ARE SPECIFICS THAT YOU GUYS THINK, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT INFORMALLY, MAYBE INFORMALLY.

HEY, THIS ISN'T A FIRE.

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HEY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? THERE IS AN OPEN DOOR TO MY OFFICE AS WELL AS TALKING REBECCA OR JOHN.

WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOTCHA GAME.

OH, YOU SAID THIS OR YOU SAID THAT.

WE'RE GONNA LAY OUT AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE BELIEVE AND WHAT WE HAVE READ AND WHAT THE LAW IS.

IF YOU STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S A QUESTION, WE'LL WALK THROUGH IT AGAIN TOGETHER, SEPARATELY.

'CAUSE WE'RE NOT HERE TO EMBARRASS ANYONE AND I'M NOT GATHERING INFORMATION TO PROSECUTE ANYONE.

SO THIS IS JUST INFORMATION FOR YOU.

NOW, YOU GUYS JUST CAME BACK FROM TRAINING, SO YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS, BUT IT IS KIND OF COMPLICATED.

BUT REBECCA, BECAUSE SHE'S VERY SAVVY, HAS JUST BROKEN THESE DOWN INTO THE SLIDES.

SO LET'S JUST WALK THROUGH THE SLIDES.

AND SO IT STARTS OUT, CREATION, MAINTENANCE, AND ABANDONMENT.

SHE'S GOT A LITTLE OUT THERE ON THE COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE CARE? AND THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR YOU GUYS.

WHY DO Y'ALL CARE? YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE HERE.

WE HAVE ALMOST 500 CENTER LINE MILES OF ROADS HERE IN POPE COUNTY.

AND YOU GENTLEMEN ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE ROADS.

AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ESTABLISH CHANGE AND MAINTAIN THAT Y'ALL KNOW THAT BETTER THAN I DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE CITIZENS COMING UP TO YOU ALL THE TIME IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND IN YOUR COMMUNITY COMPLAINING AND TALKING ABOUT THEIR ROADS.

ROADS ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY'RE BIG DEAL.

SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH A WORKSHOP TO TALK TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE AND OF COURSE ALL REASONABLE AND NECESSARY ROADS IN ORDERS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE OF THOSE ROADS.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND AS I LOVE BLAH BLAH.

AND IF IT'S NOT ENOUGH, THIS IS REBECCA'S LINE.

PLUS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT'S REBECCA.

THAT'S THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY'S GUY COUNTRY.

SO THAT'S, I MEAN, I LOVE THAT BLUE BOND SEASON.

BLUE BOND SEASON.

AND THE WAY THAT SHE SET UP THE SLIDE, I LIKE IT 'CAUSE IT SAYS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AUTHORITY.

OKAY? Y'ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS, TO ESTABLISH THE ROAD.

SO WHAT THOSE LITTLE FOUR BULLETS ARE UNDERNEATH OR WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, SHE WROTE IT BY COMMISSIONER COURT AUTHORITY.

BUT YOU, ACCORDING JOHN, UH, WHAT YOU DON'T IS YOU DON'T HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER CANNOT ESTABLISH A ROAD.

Y'ALL KNOW THAT.

Y'ALL LEARNED THAT THIS WEEK 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN OVER IT.

THE COUNTY CANNOT MAINTAIN A PRIVATE ROAD.

NO MATTER HOW MANY GOOD FRIENDS YOU HAVE TO COME AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU DO THIS ON MY ROAD? NO ANSWER NO EVERY TIME.

OKAY? THIS IS, YOU KNOW, 1 0 1 ABOUT ROADS FOR YOU GUYS.

Y'ALL GET THIS COUNTY LABOR MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT CAN'T BE USED ON A PRIVATE ROAD AND IT'S VITAL, HAVE A CLEAR AUTHORITY FOR MAINTENANCE ON ALL ROADS IN THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

THAT'S BASIC STUFF.

THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT.

AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO, AS A COURT TO BIND THE AUTHORITY AS A COURT, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT NEW ROADS OR THE DONATION MATERIAL.

SO IF INDIVIDUALLY SOMEONE COMES TO YOU, YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

SO ALWAYS THINK, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT DUMB IT DOWN, BUT IT HELPS ME SOMETIMES TO THINK ABOUT IT.

IF SOMEBODY'S JAMMING YOU UP FOR SOMETHING, IT'S LIKE, NO, THIS IS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

IT HAS TO BE THE WHOLE COURT.

YOUR TEAM I LOVE THOUGH, DAYTIME SOME DAYS UHHUH , IT'S DONE.

UM, HOW ARE COUNTY ROADS CREATED? SHE HAD SOME REALLY TACKY ROADS IN THERE.

AND I SAID, NO, WE'LL PUT A PRETTY ROAD IN THERE.

UM, THERE'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE LAW.

OKAY? I LIKE IT.

AND LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE.

THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S THREE STRAIGHTFORWARD WAYS TO KNOW IF OUR OHIO COUNTY ROAD IS CREDIT PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENTS, DEDICATION AND STATUTES.

WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT TIME ON STATUTE STATUTORY AUTHORITY.

'CAUSE THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT HAPPENS.

PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENTS, NOT SO MUCH.

AND PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENTS KIND OF PUT ME IN MIND OF THE OLD ADVERSE POSSESSION KIND OF LANGUAGE.

THE SAME, SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE.

PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.

WE GOT A LITTLE PRESCRIPTION BOTTLE CASE, YOU CAN GET IT.

FIRSTLY, THE COUNTY OBTAINS A ROAD THROUGH A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.

EASEMENT WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS USED THE ROAD FOR, FOR 10 YEARS.

SO YOU'VE GOT AN OLD PATH, BUT PEOPLE HAVE USED IT.

AND SO IT'S IN AN OPEN AND ADVERSE MANNER.

THEY'VE TAKEN IT OVER.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT A COUNTY ROAD IN AND OF ITSELF BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, THE STEP TWO, BEFORE MAINTAINING THAT ROAD, IT HAS TO BE OFFICIALLY ESTABLISHED AS A COUNTY ROAD BY THE TEAM AGAIN.

SO ALL THESE SLIDES GO BACK JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THAT EASEMENT, YOU HAVE TO THEN ADOPT IT.

AND IT GIVES YOU EXAMPLE.

'CAUSE WE ARE COUNTING OVER THAN 50, MORE THAN 50,000 PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY.

SO IT HAS TO BE A DETERMINATION THAT THE ROAD HAS BECOME A PUBLIC ROAD.

OKAY? THE SECOND'S DEDICATION.

YOU'VE GOT A GENEROUS LANDOWNER.

HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU, UM, THIS LAND AND MAKE IT A COUNTY OF ROAD.

DOES HE HAVE TITLE TO DO THAT? DOES HE REALLY OWN THAT ROAD? IS IT EXPRESS OR IMPLIED OFFER IS, DOES IT SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE? NO GOOD.

CAN SOMEBODY GIVE YOU A COUNTY ROAD? OH, I'LL GIVE YOU,

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IT GOES RIGHT UP TO MY HOUSE.

THAT'S A RED FLAG.

DON'T, DON'T TAKE IT.

BUT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT, WE GO BACK TO ACCEPTANCE BY THE CASE IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

THIS IS WHAT SAVES YOU GUYS WHEN THEY COME TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT STUFF, YOU GO, OKAY, WE'LL PUT IT, IT'LL HAVE TO BE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND WE COULD NAME NAMES, BUT WE WON'T OF DIFFERENT GROUPS AND CITIZENS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU.

SEVERAL TIMES THAT INDIVIDUALLY AS COMMISSIONERS, YOU MIGHT WOULD LOVE TO ADOPT THAT AS A VOTE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A VOTE AT COMMISSIONER'S COURT, IT GETS SHOT DOWN.

SO YOU HAVE TO REFER 'EM BACK TO, HEY, IT HAS TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE GROUP.

SO JUST IN CASE, I THINK REBECCA THINKS THAT WE'RE NOT VERY BRIGHT, THAT WAS THE SECOND WAY SHE PUT TWO FINGERS UP IN THE CORNER JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET IT.

IS THERE ANYTHING I MISSED ON THAT? 'CAUSE YOU HAD SOME NOTES.

UM, NO, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S DONE THROUGH SUBDIVISION PLAS.

AND THEY'LL SAY WE DEDICATE AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN DETAIL.

YEAH, WE'LL GET THAT IN A MINUTE.

AND SO THE THIRD DAY IS STATUTORY.

AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT MOST OFTEN WE, WE THINK ABOUT, AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU THIS, THE SECTION WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE.

AND THEN REBECCA BROKE THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT LAST NIGHT.

SHE WAS OVERTHINKING ABOUT WAYS STATUTORILY THAT YOU CAN, UH, THAT APPLIES IN THAT.

THE, UM, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT JOHN OR REBECCA? 'CAUSE SHE MIGHT LITTLE NOTES.

I I JUST PUT THE THREE MAIN WAYS THAT YOU CAN, UH, CREATE A COUNTY ROAD STATUTORILY ONE UNDER THIS GENERAL PROVISION HERE, WHICH GOES WITH THE ENTIRE COURT.

AND THEN SECOND UNDERNEATH THE SUBDIVISION AND ROAD ASSESSMENT STATUTE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY DEAL WITH A LOT, IS, AND THEN THE MAIN STATUTE.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN ONES THAT YOU FIND IN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS OVER AND OVER.

UM, BUT THIS ONE IS GONNA BE YOUR, YOUR MAIN GENERAL AUTHORITY TO, UH, CREATE A ROAD.

SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE WE, WE TREAT IT A LITTLE BIT LATER.

WE WANNA MOVE TO SUBSTANDARD, UH, OR SUB, WE JUST CALL IT SUBDIVISION.

YOU SAID SUBSTANDARD.

SO I READ WHAT YOU SAID SUBDIVISION.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT SUBDIVISION LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT SUBDIVISION.

AND SHE'S GOT A LITTLE JOKE.

HOW DO YOU, HOW IS IT THAT SHE PROVE IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS UNDER 2 53, ELECTION PROPERTY OWNER IS REQUIRED.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS.

UH, OWNERS CAN BE ASSESSED FOR THE INITIAL FEES, BUT AFTER THAT THEN THE COUNTY HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROADS.

AND THOSE THAT FOLLOW COMMISSIONER'S COURT KNOW IF CERTAIN SITUATIONS THAT HAPPENED.

THAT'S THE PROCESS AND THAT'S HOW WE WALK THROUGH IT.

AND THEN THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION ABOUT AND WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.

THE REGULATIONS KEEP THESE THINGS IN MIND.

OKAY? SO REMEMBER THIS, KEEP THIS IN MIND JUST BECAUSE IT'S PLOTTED AS A PUBLIC ROAD, IT DOESN'T OBLIGATE THE COMMISSION.

I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THE NEW SUBDIVISION COMES IN TOWN AND GOES, OH, THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD.

I'VE SAID, SO, UM, ACCEPTANCE OF THE PLAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN, UM, THAT'S ACCEPTANCE OF A ROAD.

IT'S SEPARATE ACCEPTANCE BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

GO AHEAD, JOHN.

INTERJECT TO THIS POINT.

THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS, AND FOR EXAMPLE, THERE THE DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND THE NEW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SEEN THIS WHERE THEY ACCEPT PLATS.

AND IF YOU THINK, OH MY GOSH, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT PLATS, YOU ACTUALLY DO NOT.

BECAUSE THE WAY TO THINK OF IT IS EACH COUNTY ROAD SHOULD BE A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM.

IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM WITH A SEPARATE CONSIDERATION TO VOTE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S EXECUT DEVELOP VERY NICE MAN WHO HAS COME FOR COURT, HAD DIFFERENT FLATS, AND YOU'RE NOW SCRATCHING HEAD THINKING, HAVE WE ACCIDENTALLY CREATED A BUNCH OF COUNTY ROADS? YOU HAVE NOT.

YOU HAVE NOT UNTIL YOU GO AND THERE'S A CONSIDERATION.

I WANT THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS ROAD TO BE A COUNTY ROAD.

AND WHICH, WHICH LET ME LEAD YOU WITH THIS CONCEPT.

YOU CANNOT ACCIDENTALLY CREATE A COUNTY ROAD THE SAME WAY.

YOU CAN'T CREATE A COUNTY ROAD.

AND, AND I'M GOING TO GO BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD ILLUSTRATION.

YOU CAN'T CREATE A COUNTY ROAD JUST BY DOING SOME WORK ON THAT.

THERE IS A SPEAKER, SEVERAL SPEAKERS RECENTLY THAT HAS SPOKEN ABOUT A ROAD THAT IS IN COMMISSIONER LIKS DISTRICT.

AND ONE OF THE CONTENTIONS HAS BEEN, THERE'S BEEN WORK THAT'S PERFORMED, COUNTY MATERIALS WERE USED ON THIS ROAD.

SO THEREFORE THERE'S AN ARGUMENT, IT'S A COUNTY ROAD.

THERE'S ACTUALLY NO ARGUMENT THAT IT'S A COUNTY ROAD.

AND MAYBE THEIR ARGUMENT, BUT IT'S NOT A LEGAL ARGUMENT AND WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED.

FURTHERMORE, IT WAS FOR CONSIDERATION A NUMBER OF TIMES BEFORE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

THAT'S ALSO NO ARGUMENT.

IT IT HAS TO BE DONE, IT HAS TO BE PASSED.

AND THEN FINALLY THE FINAL THING ALONG THOSE THINGS IS THAT IF IT IS YOUR BELIEF AS COMMISSIONER THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO OFFER A PARTICULAR VOTE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO OFFER A PARTICULAR, THE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY OF YOU TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO EXPAND THE COUNTY ROADS, MY SYSTEM.

AND, AND YOU MAY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO, THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE OR FOR WHATEVER REASON OR YOU JUST CAN'T THINK OF A REASON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE HE HITS THE BIGGEST ONE, IS THAT SEPARATE ACCEPTANCE AS NECESSARY.

AND THAT'S WHY JOHN

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IT COMES ON AS A SEPARATE ITEM.

Y'ALL GOT IT WOULD BE THE DEAD HORSE.

BUT A SEPARATE ITEM ON COMMISSIONER S COURT THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED.

WE'RE BACK MAINTENANCE.

I LOVE THAT SHE'S GOT THAT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ING ROADS.

SO WHAT ROADS CAN YOU MAINTAIN? WE'RE SPEAKING TO YOU AS COMMISSIONERS AND IT, IT WOULD GIVE YOU WHAT THE LAW SAYS RIGHT THERE UNDER THAT SECTION.

UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY'S AUTHORITY TO SPEND PUBLIC MONEY TO MAINTAIN A ROAD THAT'S INCLUDED ON THIS MAP.

SO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, WE'RE GOING BACK, UM, WHAT ROADS CAN BE MAINTAINED AND WE'RE SHOWING YOU THE MAP OF THE ROADS AND WHAT THERE WAS THEY, THEY DID, Y'ALL DID THAT STUDY.

ISN'T THAT THE, THERE'S A, A SNAPSHOT.

WHAT WAS THAT DONE? YEAH, THERE'S THE GIS STUDY YEAH.

IN CONNECTION WITH THE, UH, REDISTRICT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

SO, AND UNFOR, UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T ACTUALLY FIT THE ENTIRE OFFICIAL COUNTY MAP BECAUSE IT'S IN SO MANY DIFFERENT SECTIONS.

SO THIS IS JUST A SHOT OF THE PRECINCTS.

AND LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT ROADS CAN BE INCLUDED.

ROADS CAN BE CONCLUDED OR CLAIMS THE EXISTENCE OF PUBLIC INTEREST AS A RESULT OF HAVING CONTINUOUSLY MAINTAINED THE ROAD.

AND WE GOT A DATE THERE BEGINNING BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST.

IT EVEN EXPLAINS WHAT'S CONTINUOUS.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.

GRADING OR OTHER ROUTINE ROAD MAINTENANCE BEGINNING BEFORE 9 180 1.

AND THE BURDEN THEN IS ON THE COUNTY TO SHOW THIS.

AND SO THIS IS HOW ROADS CAN BE INCLUDED IN MAINTENANCE.

THESE ARE HOW COUNTY ROADS ARE MAINTAINED.

INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER'S ROAD REPORTS.

OKAY, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING, WHEN I BECAME THE DA I GET THESE, UH, COMMISSION ROAD REPORTS LIKE WHAT IS THIS? SO I HAD TO GO LOOK IT UP.

LIKE WHY AM I TAKING THIS DOWN TO THE GRAND JURY? OKAY, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND IT IS A DOCUMENT THAT'S A SWORN REPORT, WHICH MEANS YOU PROVIDED YOUR OATH.

THAT CAN HAVE CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE IT'S A SWORN REPORT, IT'S PRESENTED TO THE GRAND JURY AND THAT, AND WE DO THAT NOT BECAUSE IT'S EARLY RULES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE SETS OUT.

SO THE, THAT WE'VE GOT THIS AND, AND ALSO, BUT IT'S GOOD TO REMEMBER IF YOU FAIL TO INCLUDE, UH, A ROAD ON THAT ROAD REPORT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NECESSARILY NOT A COUNTY ROAD.

SOMETIMES IT CAN BE AN OVERSIGHT ON SOMEONE'S PART.

AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON THE ROAD REPORT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A COUNTY ROAD EITHER, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT MAKES A ROAD A COUNTY ROAD.

THAT'S AN OBLIGATION THAT YOU HAVE THAT THE STATUTE REQUIRES, RIGHT? .

AND SO HERE'S JUST SOME, UM, THINGS WE PULLED OUT A REAL QUICK REFRESHER ON THE COMMISSIONER'S AUTHORITY.

INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH A COUNTY ROAD.

ALWAYS REMEMBER IT GOES BACK TO THE TEAMWORK.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE WANNA SHARE WITH YOU.

NO PRIVATE ROADS CAN BE MAINTAINED.

THAT'S AN OLD CASE, BUT THAT'S STILL A GOOD LAW.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE STANDARD IS.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CASE LAW, OKAY, HERE'S SOME ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS.

COUNTY LABOR MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT CANNOT BE USED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND IT'S VITAL TO HAVE CLEAR AUTHORITY TO MAINTAIN ON ALL ROADS IN THE COUNTY INVENTORY.

AND I, AND THE REASON WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF COME IN AND TALK TO YOU IS WE HAD SENT A LETTER OUT, OUTLINE IT, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LETTER AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AMONG THE THREE OF US, IT WAS A LOT OF LEGAL EASE.

SO WE THOUGHT LET'S JUST BREAK IT DOWN INTO SOMETHING THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO EVERYBODY EVERY DAY TRYING TO DECIDE HOW WE DO THIS.

SINCE THIS BECOMES ONE OF THE BIGGER PROBLEMS AND ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE YOU.

HOW DO YOU ABANDON MINISTER'S COURT MADE BY ORDER, CEASE PUBLIC MAINTENANCE OVER A ROAD? THERE'S NO STATUTORY PROMISE, BUT JOHN WOULD PROBABLY TELL IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT ON THE COMMISSION COURT AGENDA.

AND THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE NOTICED.

PUBLIC NOTICE AND SOMETHING YOU SHOULD DO IN CASE ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ABOUT STATUTE, BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IF YOU ABANDON ORDER, IT ALSO REQUIRES COMMAND IN SPREAD AND IT GIVES A LITTLE CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THAT WAS THE THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, A PROPERTY OWNER MAY NOT END ENJOY ENCLOSURE UNLESS HE OWNS PROPERTY, WHICH ABUTS ROAD BEING CLOSED BY THE ONLY ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY.

SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THINGS TO CONSIDER IF YOU WERE CLOSING.

OTHERS MAY SEEK DAMAGE ARISING FOR CLOSURE BUT NOT INJUNCTION.

AND IT, WE GIVE YOU THE STATUTES THERE.

UM, SO THOSE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER.

AND JOHN JUST PUT THE BIG TAG ON IT.

THIS IS A UNANIMOUS BOTH THIS NOW ABANDONMENT IS SEPARATE FROM CLOSING.

AND, AND CASES AND AND HE OPINIONS AND MIX IT UP ARE BOTH REQUIRE THE UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THE ONLY THING THAT DOES NOT IN THE CONFIGURATION OF VOTES OF STOPPING HEARING IS TO DISCONTINUE A VOTE.

IF YOU DISCONTINUE A ROAD, YOU MUST PROVIDE FOR ANOTHER MEETINGS AT

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THE SAME TIME AND AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW.

UM, THAT'S RARE.

YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW.

YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT SINCE FOR MOST, FOR MOST VOTES, IT'S JUST A MAJORITY THAT THE STATUTE, IT IS SENDING A SIGNAL THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO ABANDON OR CLOSE A ROAD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S WHY IT TAKES EVERYBODY.

I MEAN IT IS JUST A REASONABLE INFERENCE FROM THAT.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS I INCLUDED THE LAST SLIDE WAS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD PRESENTLY IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, ABOUT WHEN, UH, WE WERE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE NOTICED IT CORRECTLY.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED ON THIS STATUTE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT MAY COME UP DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE BASING AN INJUNCTION OR ANY TYPE OF DAMAGES, UM, FROM SOMEONE THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SAME PROPERTY VALUE.

THESE, YOUR CONSIDERATION I THREW IN THERE TO REMIND US WHY THAT PUBLIC NOTICE IS SO IMPORTANT AND WHY IT'S DONE PROPERLY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

IT'S A GREAT TIME OF QUESTIONS.

THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE.

BY BY OTHERS DO YOU MEAN OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT ROAD OR ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY? OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT ROAD BUT ARE WHO ARE NOT IN THE SECTION THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN CLOSED OR ABANDONED.

LIKE YOU CLOSE THE ROAD IN THE, IN THE CENTER AND EITHER SOMEBODY ON THE IS STILL OPEN.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE STAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO FILE A LAWSUIT TO ENJOIN THE ACTIONS OF COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY MAY HAVE A GENERAL S GOOD IDEA.

IT'S A BAD IDEA.

AND COULD SHOW UP.

BUT THEY HAVE NO INFLUENCE.

THEY HAVE NO LEGAL STANDING TO BRING A LAWSUIT.

THE OTHER PEOPLE JUST COME AND VISIT.

THEY WOULD HAVE A LEGAL STANDING.

THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE FIRST HALF OF THE ROAD NOT GOING LIKE SAID COULD.

UM, UM, JIMMY, I CUT YOU OFF.

ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN SO I MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER.

SO YOU HAVE A ROAD A MILE LONG, YOU'RE GONNA CLOSE THE LAST HALF OF A MILE.

SOMEBODY BOUGHT PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.

SO NOW THEY OWN TO THE CENTER OF THE ROAD.

THE FIRST HALF A MILE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SAY, NO, IT, WE CAN'T GET OUT.

'CAUSE THAT ROAD USED TO CONTINUE TO ANOTHER ROAD.

SO THAT'S GONNA DEVALUE MY PROPERTY.

IF YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND, GET THE TOWN OR WHATEVER.

SO ANYBODY ON THAT FIRST HALF MILE CAN FILE DAMAGE.

ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THE LAKE AREA, WHOEVER DRIVING WHAT KIND OF REFERRING TO ONE, YOU HAVE A BODY OF WATER THERE.

THE PROPERTY OWNER ON BOTH SIDES DOES NOT OWN.

SO SOME PEOPLE ON THE FIRST PART OF THE, HE SAID THAT THEY DO NOT OWN.

SO THE FIRST PEOPLE ON THE FIRST PART OF THE ROAD IS GOING TO THE BODY OF WATER.

THE GUY THAT OWNS BOTH SIDES DOESN'T GET THE AUTHORITY TO CLOSE THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO GET TO THIS WATER EXCEPT DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE ALREADY HAD.

WELL, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT PROBABLY WITH WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I MEAN, I DON'T MIND DISCUSSING PROBABLY THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL, I MEAN, IN A SENSE.

BUT, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A THIRD PARTY, WHICH IS THE ONE, WHETHER IT, WHETHER IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS OR EVER, WHOEVER, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

EVERYBODY'S GOING DOWN TO THEIR FISHING HALL, THAT'S A PUBLIC PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHERE IT GETS HARD TO GROW.

I MEAN, I KNOW JUST FROM FEDERAL, ALL THE, WHERE I HAPPENED TO GO HUNTING IN COLORADO, IT GOES BY LOGGING BOAT, BUT IT GOES THROUGH NINE MILES OF PRIVATE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES FOR 40 YEARS.

THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CLOSE THE ROAD.

THEY CAN'T BECAUSE IT GETS TO A NATIONAL FOREST.

YOU KNOW? SO IT'S GOING TO THAT EXTRA PART.

WELL THAT'S ONE GOOD THING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A NATIONAL PARK ON.

I'M SORRY, CAN GIMME A SECOND.

LET, LET ME, LET'S JUMP IN.

PLEASE LET, LET ME ADDRESS THIS FOR A SECOND.

AND YOU RAISED VERY GOOD POINT IS THAT'S EXTRAORDINARY.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHALLENGE IS A LARGE NUMBER.

IT WOULD BE PEOPLE ON THE SOUTH PART AND ALSO ON THE NORTH PART.

UNDERSTAND SPEAKING FOR ANYONE ON THE NORTH PART WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

AND ON THE SOUTH PART MAY OR MAY NOT I KNOW, BUT ALL OF THEM WOULD'VE A RIGHT TO GO BEFORE ONE OF THE DISTRICT JUDGES HERE AND SAY, DON'T DO A DECISION NOT TO EVEN TAKE ANY ACTION.

IS IS YOUR DECISION.

AND, AND NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.

SO SAYS SO IT MAKES MORE ECONOMIC SENSE OR SMART DECISION, WHATEVER.

AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BRING THAT AND THE LAW CANNOT BE PARTY TO DO THAT.

SO, AND EVEN IF YOU DID SOMETHING, DOES THAT HELP? YOU KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND IT.

I JUST, YOU JUST KNOW WHAT TALKING ABOUT.

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BUT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND THAT'S IN THE SITUATION.

THERE'S MORE PARTIES AND THERE'S MORE POTENTIAL PEOPLE THAT CAN FILE YEAH.

THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY, ANY BEARING ON LAND.

BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE THIRD PARTY MM-HMM .

AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO THEIR, TO THEIR EXHALES.

TO INTERESTING OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE NO, I'M JUST, WE HAD THAT, WE HAD THAT VERY SAME SITUATION HAPPEN IN, ACROSS COUNTY FEW YEARS AGO.

THAT WAS GETTING DOWN OUTTA THE AND PEEL DOWN.

WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ROAD, AND I APPRECIATE MR. JOY'S INPUT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ENLIGHTENING BECAUSE HE'S HAD AS SOME SITUATION, BUT YOU GUYS ARE THE ONE'S RESPONSIBLE.

IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND IF YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS, WE'D REALLY APPRECIATE YOU STOPPING BY.

WE, WE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT AND CLEARED IT UP.

NO, THE ONLY, THE ONLY KIND OF QUESTION I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW ANY THAT'S NOT, BUT LIKE ON THE ROAD REPORT, BRING UP THE ROAD REPORT, YOU SAY ROADS ON THE ROAD REPORT, IF THEY'RE ON THE ROAD REPORT AND UH, THE NEW COMMISSIONER COMES IN AND THAT'S THE GUIDELINE, THESE KIND OF USE, HOW WOULD HE KNOW IF IT WAS OR WASN'T? IT'S BEEN ON THE ROAD REPORT FOR 20 YEARS.

WHAT INSTALL? WELL AT THIS POINT, ISN'T IT? I MEAN, IN SOME INSTANCE GOES BACK ONE THING.

19 80, 19 81 RULE, OR 2120 YEARS ISN'T 1981.

THE COUNTY MAP WOULD BE, UH, VERY GOOD.

WELL, I KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING WE HAVE DONE.

I GIVE IT TO, TO STEVE, YOU KNOW, HE, HE GOT AFTER THE MAPS AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I GOT AFTER HIM A LITTLE AND HE GOT AFTER 'EM.

AND, AND, AND SO THAT WE COULD SEE ALL THE ROADS AND ACTUALLY SEE 'EM ON THE MAP.

AND I COULD COMPARE MY MAPS, MY ROAD REPORTS TO HIS MAPS AND, UH, MAKES SENSE TO ME.

AND THEN ONCE YOU, AND THEN YOU, THEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT, YOU COMPARE 'EM AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT FOR AN OVERSIGHT THAT THAT ROAD HAD NEVER BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE COMMISSIONER.

DIDN'T Y'ALL JUST BRING IT TO COURT, ACCEPT IT, CLEAN IT UP? YEAH, WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WANT YOU TO, TO DO THAT SO THAT THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ABOUT IT NOW THAT, THAT IS, IS JUST THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

BUT, BUT SHORT OF DOING THAT, HOW DO YOU KNOW? ONE IS YOU COULD DO A PLAUSIBLE SEARCH OF THE RECRUIT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO A SEARCH OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT RECORDS TO SEE HAS IT BEEN AT A POINT IN TIME ACCURATE.

THE SECOND WOULD BE THE SEARCH OF THE DISTRICT COURT RECORDS TO SHOW EITHER BY DECLARATORY JUDGMENT ACTION, BY CONDEMNATION ACTION THAT IT HAD BEEN TAKEN.

BUT I GUESS MY, A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO THE TITLE COMPANY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE MY QUESTION KIND WAS IT WASN'T THAT I COULDN'T PATENT OUT.

IT'S JUST A LOT OF WORK.

THAT'S A LOT TO DO.

IT'S A LOT OF ROADS, A LOT OF WORK.

AND WHY WOULD YOU, WHY WOULD EVERY NEW COMMISSIONER COME IN? WHY WOULD HE TAKE HIS ROAD REPORT OF A HUNDRED ROADS, 200 ROADS AND GO AND SEARCH EVERY SINGLE COURT BREAK ROAD? WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE? I I, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WELL, I ASKING WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

IT'S NOT THAT, NOT THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT NOT WORKING ON THE ROAD THAT'S ON THE ROAD REPORT.

IT'S JUST THAT OKAY, I AM, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY'S CLAIMING THAT I'M IN TROUBLE BECAUSE I'M DOING SOMETHING.

HERE'S, HERE'S THE SHORT ANSWER THAT CUTS YOUR WORK TOWARDS FRACTION.

I'D START WITH EVERYTHING THAT DOESN'T START WITH CR OKAY.

AND, AND, AND ASSUME THAT THAT'S PROPERLY THE COUNTY ROAD.

AND THEN I'D GO TO NOUNS, .

AND, AND START DOWN THAT LIST.

AND AS YOU LOOK AT YOUR ROAD REPORT, THAT'S A, A SMALL, THAT'S A SUBSET OF IT, THAT CRS UH, I THINK YOU CAN FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM.

AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE SMALLER CENTER, YOU GO, IT'D BE VERY HARD TO SAY THAT YOU INTENTIONALLY WERE MAINTAIN ALL A NON, UH, COUNTY ROAD WHEN THAT ROAD HAS CR IN FRONT OF, LIKE HE'S SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A PERSON'S BEST EFFORT.

BUT IF THE ROAD NAMED AFTER HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, PHILLIPS ROAD, YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THAT.

'CAUSE IT'S GOT HIM DOWN.

I DON'T HAVE ONE, BUT I KNOW YEAH.

THAT'S WHY I USED IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S WHY YOU GO TO, SO IT'S REALLY, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WE'VE SEEN IN COMMISSIONER COURT AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T COME, WE'VE GOT JOHN AND REBECCA HERE, BUT WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT COME FORWARD, THEIR BIGGEST COMPLAINT WILL BE TO DIG OUT AN ARBITRARY ROAD AND SAY, WELL WHY ARE Y'ALL FIXING THIS ROAD? YOU ARE NOT FIXING THAT.

SO REALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY A HEADACHE ON THE FRONT END, GO BACK AND SAY I'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THIS.

I'VE ALL THESE COUNTY ROADS, ALL THE ONES, AS JOHN SAYS, IT HAS NOUNS.

I'VE LOOKED AT IT.

AND THESE ROADS HAVE ALSO, WE CAN SHOW THE COUNTY ROADS 'CAUSE WE HAVE A ACCEPTANCE AT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OR THE JUDGE DECLARED IT OR SOMEBODY DONATED AND WE ACCEPTED ALL THESE LITTLE CHECKLISTS THAT Y'ALL ALREADY

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YOU KNOW THESE RULES INNATELY WITHOUT THE PRESENTATION 'CAUSE YOU'VE DONE IT.

BUT WE WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE IT'S A REFRESHER AND TO BREAK DOWN WHAT WE SENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WHEN WE DISCOVER A ROAD THAT'S, UM, IT MAY BE UP TO SUBDIVISION, IT'S BEEN ON THE ROTARY REPORT FOR MANY YEARS, MAYBE MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER.

AND YOU FIND OUT THAT IT WAS LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT THAT'S BROUGHT TO COMMISSION COURT AND YOU ACCEPT IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

THAT WAY WE BRING IT AND IT'S A CLEAN ROT AND THERE'S NOT A TIMELINE ON YEAH.

SO IT'S A ROAD REPORT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, IT'S BEEN ON HIS ROAD REPORT, WHICH GIVES HIM REASON TO THINK, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY LIKE HE COMES IN WOULD BE THE THING.

JIMMY CAME IN, THIS IS HIS FIRST TERM, JUST THE ROAD REPORT.

IT'S BEEN, AND IT'S BEEN ON THERE ON THIS EXISTING REPORT.

HE COMES IN, HE GOES, WELL THAT'S THERE, BUT I'VE DUG AND DONE SOME HOMEWORK.

IT'S NOT THERE.

THEN HE'S GONNA SAY, OH GOODNESS, WHAT I DO PUT IT, BRING IT DOWN HERE AND WE'LL FIX IT.

WHAT IF YOU HAVE SOME REALLY SUBSTANDARD GROWTH THAT IT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE ROAD REPORT FOR MANY YEARS AND YOU DON'T WANNA BRING IT? WELL, IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE COST TO, TO YOUR DECISION THAT MAY FACTOR YOUR DECISION TO, TO EVEN BRING IN HERE TO GET ACCEPTED.

NOW WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCES WE GOT A LITTLE BIT IS THE UPSET, UH, LANDOWNERS.

YOU GONNA HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS THAT THE COUNTY'S BEEN MAINTAINED, BUT THE BUT THE, IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT INTO THE LEGAL.

BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT RULES ARE, OR THIS PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT IF WE APPLY IT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH EVERYBODY AND YOU'VE GONE AND FOUND ONE THAT DOESN'T AND YOU BRING IT UP, THEN YOU'RE NOT PICKING ON ANYBODY.

YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES.

THEY MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DUMP IT ON ME BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WE'RE GONNA COMPORT WITH THE LAW.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH TAKING WELL, AND I THINK THE OTHER MESSAGE IS THE PURPOSE IS THAT THE ROAD REPORTS ARE NOT ONLY ACCURATE, BUT IT DOESN'T BECOME A, A CONDUIT BY WHICH PEOPLE SAY, WELL, GOTCHA.

OH, I FOUND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, IF YOU'RE UNSURE THE THE LONGER PATH IS, WELL, WE COULD FOLLOW A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT, HAVE A DECLARE COUNTY ROAD CITIZENS CAN DO THAT.

YOU AS A COMMISSIONER CAN SAY, I'M NOT EXACTLY POSITIVE, I DON'T HAVE REPUTATION, BUT HERE'S ALL THE PREREQUISITES.

BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

MY GUESS IS, UNLESS IT'S OUTRAGEOUS , I HAVE A DEVELOPER, YOU WANT TO SHUT HARBOR ROAD, MOVE IT, BUT WANTS THE COUNTY TO GIVE THEM THAT PART OF THE EXISTING COUNTY ROAD.

HOW DO YOU DO THAT? THAT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION.

WE'LL VISIT ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S JUST, YEAH, WE, WE'LL BE GLAD TO WE'VE GOT YOU.

UH, THINK WE'VE TAKING YOUR TIME UNLESS Y'ALL OH, I WE'RE OH, YOU HAVE QUESTION? YEAH, WE'RE GOOD.

I HAVE QUESTION.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST YOUR TO GO WRAPPING IT UP.

I HAVE ONE HORN.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION.

BUT, BUT, UH, WHAT, UH, WE GO BACK TO THE ROADMAP THAT, UH, YOU ADOPTED, I BELIEVE IN 2007.

JOHN, YOU, I DUNNO WHETHER YOU WERE HERE THEN OR NOT, BUT I, WE'VE ALWAYS, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, CALLED THAT THE OFFICIAL ROADMAP.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S A TREATMENT OF IT.

BUT THEN THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY MAKING THE COUNTY ROAD IF WE ACCEPTED IT AS A MAP.

WELL, NO, I THINK IT IS.

LET'S, LET'S NOT SPLIT IT HERE.

IT'S A COUNTY ROAD.

IT'S A COUNTY ROAD.

SO EVERYTHING THAT'S A GREAT STARTING PLACE.

WE HAVE TO KEEP DIGGING.

OKAY, WELL THAT WAS MY POINT BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A LAW THAT REQUIRED ALL THE COMMISSIONER TO MM-HMM .

TO GO BACK AT THAT TIME IN 2007.

AND WE HIRED A COMPANY TO COME IN AND HAD ALL BEFORE, LONG BEFORE I WAS ON THE COURT MM-HMM .

AND DEVELOPED THIS MAP AND, AND A LIST OF ROADS THAT WE PROBABLY ALL SEEN.

SO, AND THEN WE'VE, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW ROADS, NOT MANY, BUT MAYBE 15 OR 20 THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE ENTIRE COMMISSIONER'S COURT SINCE THEN.

SO I GUESS I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY MY, IN MY OWN LITTLE, UH, FINITE MINE.

I AGREE SO FAR.

, I APPRECIATE IT.

JUST WANT, LUCY, DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

I, YOU GOT ME OFF TRACK NOW.

SO, BUT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT OH SEVEN.

IS THAT THE BASELINE, RIGHT? YES, I THINK SO.

IT DEFINITELY IS.

AND YOU CAN REFERENCE 2 58 0.002 AND THAT'S THE COUNTY, UH, ROAD MAP ADOPTION STATUTE.

AND THEN IT ALSO ADDRESSES IN SUBSECTION G YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THOSE ROADS, THE 15 TO 20 THAT HAVE BEEN SINCE ADOPTED.

THE FAILURE TO INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE ON THE COUNTY MAP IS FINE AS LONG AS THAT YOU CAN SHOW THAT IT WAS ACQUIRED BY THE COURT'S FINAL JUDGMENT, BY THE COMMISSIONER DOCTRINE.

BY THE COMMISSIONER COURT, UM,

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CONDEMNATION, DEDICATION, THOSE WAYS THAT WE SHOW THAT THERE.

SO, UM, I PUT IN THE SLIDE, OOPS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY MAP'S 10 YEARS OLD.

YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO UPDATE THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD IDEA TO HELP THAT PROBLEM WITH YOU ADDRESS.

WELL, I THINK THE OFFICIAL MAP, WE HAVE ONE IN MY OFFICE.

UH, I I THINK THE OFFICIAL MAP IS KEPT BY THE COUNTY CLERK AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE ACTUAL LIST OF ROADS THAT GRANTED SINCE THEN.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE DO NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT AND SEE IF, BUT HERE'S A QUESTION.

HOW ABOUT IF YOU HAD THAT MAP? OKAY? IF YOU HAVE THE MAP AND THE ROADS, THERE'S NOT A ROAD ON THERE THAT YOU'RE NOW TREATING AS A, AS A COUNTY ROAD.

BUT IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT, THAT THERE WAS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT ACCEPTED IT BEFORE WITH THE WHOLE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND IT SHOULD BE A ROAD 'CAUSE IT WAS ACCEPTED BEFORE THEN IT'S A ROAD.

EVEN IF IT DIDN'T MAKE THE OFFICIAL MATTER BECAUSE WITH ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OR TWO OVERSIGHT.

BUT YOU NEED TO PRODUCE THAT ACCEPTANCE BY THE BODY, NOT BY THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING.

SO THOSE RULES, IF THEY MAKE IT SO EASY, SO AGAIN, STEVE, IT HELPS YOU WITH SAYING, OH MY GOSH, WE'RE GO THROUGH ALL THESE ROADS AND JP IS A NEW COMMISSIONER, START THERE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU CROSSCHECK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE JUST A FINITE AMOUNT.

AND I THINK THAT'LL HELP YOU.

JIMMY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

WELL, IT'S IN THE, THE STATUTE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN HAVE A ROAD, THE ROAD WAS A ROAD BEFORE 19 MAINTAINED, MAINTAINED OPEN THE PUBLIC.

I'LL CLEARED THAT UP EARLY.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING? ACTUALLY, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? WELL, LET ME TELL YOU.

I, I WISH I, I LIKE WORKSHOPS TO BE INTERACTIVE WITH, WITH THE COURT AND I'VE TRIED TO RUN AN OPEN COURT AND LET THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATE.

BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, BASED ON WHAT EARLY HAS ADVISED ME, THIS DISCUSSION REALLY NEEDS TO BE AMONG THE COURT MEMBERS.

NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU CAN'T DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH ANY OF US.

WELL, WE TAKE A BREAK, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, OR WE CAN TAKE A BREAK AND CLEAN AND ASK THAT UP.

BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO RIGHT NOW IS ALLOW THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AND GET READY FOR THE NEXT, UH, SESSION AND MAYBE HAVE TIME TO COME BACK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO CLOSE, BUT I DON'T WANNA APPLY ONE SET IN THEN MR. WEAVER HAD SOMETHING YOU CAN SIGN IT.

AND, AND THE PURPOSE IS THAT WE WANT TO ALL LEAVE HERE WITH GOOD CORRECT INFORMATION.

I MEAN THAT'S PROOFS BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEMING WE'VE HAD, WE'VE NOT ALL HAD, UH, MAYBE WE'VE HAD THE SAME INFORMATION, BUT WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THE SAME WAY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO DO.

I KNOW, I THINK KEN OR OR QUI HAD A QUESTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, I HAVE ONE.

SO IF, IF I HAD A ROAD AND IT'S NOT ON MAP.

AND IT'S NOT ON THE ROAD REPORT.

BUT IT'S BEEN ME AND MAINTAIN BRING IT UP HERE, BRING IT UP HERE AND ADD IT TO THE COURT.

WELL LET BE VERY CLEAR.

'CAUSE SOMETIMES, I MEAN, I WOULD SPEAK IN , THESE GUYS CAN HELP ME PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO BE ADOPTED AS A COUNTY ROAD AND THEN YOU WOULD BRING IT TO YOUR OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSIONER COURT AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID.

THIS ROAD HAS BEEN MAINTAINED FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

IT MISSED THE 2007 IT DID THIS, WE GOT 10 FAMILIES THAT ACCESS IT AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT.

YEAH, I'M, WELL, I'M NOT AS AN, I'M NOT DOING IT AT THE MOMENT.

NO, BUT THAT WOULD, I JUST MADE UP A, I FIGURED OUT IT WASN'T ROAD AND I SAID EIGHT, DON'T TOUCH IT.

UM, AS A HYPOTHETICAL UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE FIGURED THAT, AND, AND I THINK AMONG THE FIVE OF YOU GUYS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET, IT DOESN'T TAKE FIVE, IT'S A MAJORITY OF THREE OF YOU.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IS THERE A PROCESS? NOT, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GOTCHA.

IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

IS THERE NOT A PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH DOES, UH, OUR COUNTY ENGINEER THAT WE'VE DESIGNATED THAT THEY HAVE TO GO INSPECT THAT ROAD AND MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS? WELL, COMMISSIONER ZA DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT A SUBSTANDARD ROAD.

HOW ABOUT IF YOU HAD A ROAD THAT WASN'T UP THE COUNTY ROAD, RIGHT.

COUNTY STANDARD.

AND AGAIN, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS OF HAVING A, A ROAD THAT'S BELOW COUNTY STANDARDS THAT WOULD DESIGN AS A COUNTY ROAD, SOMEBODY COULD GO OUT THERE THAT ENHANCES LIABILITY.

SO THAT IS YET ANOTHER PROBLEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

LET ME ANSWER THAT CHAIN ON THE BACK AND SAY, MY RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH HIS OFFICE IS THAT THEY WANT THE COUNTY ENGINEER TO LOOK AT LIMITS BEFORE THEY EVEN THINK ABOUT PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

THE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT.

BUT I THINK THE QUESTION OF, HEY, HOW MUCH MONEY WILL THIS BE? WHICH THE REST OF YOU MIGHT ASK, IT WOULD BE I THINK SOME REASONABLE DILIGENCE, UH, TO SAY, OH,

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IT'S GOING TO COST 2000.

WELL, THAT'S NOT BAD.

TWO COST 200,000 LET'S WHITE.

WELL, I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION COMMISSIONER, I THINK THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES, IT KEEPS US AWAY FROM SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY ON A BAD SITUATION IF WE HAVE JUST BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT CAN, I'M SORRY.

WELL THAT, THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE VALUE OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY FIXING TO TAKE IN IS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DO PRETTY FAITHFULLY PLUS THE BANK.

WELL, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT WE DID HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY ENGINEER, WHICH WE'VE DESIGNATED TO ME, UH, TO EX TO VISUALLY INSPECT THE ROAD, WHICH I THINK SOME OF US, SOME OF YOU HAVE AND SAY, YEAH, IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE ROAD.

IF IT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ROAD, THEN THE, UH, HOMEOWNER HOMEOWNER OR THE GROUP HAS TO BRING IT UP TO STANDARDS.

I THINK THAT'S ONLY ON SUB.

WELL THINK IT'S, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION AT THE COURT.

COULD WE MAKE THAT RULE? DO IT.

YOU COULD MAKE THAT RULE.

I MEAN IS THAT THAT THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO? I MEAN IT'S AN NOT LET ANOTHER COMMISSIONER JUST BRING IT TO US AND SAY, SPEND THIS WHOLE BUDGET FIXING SOMEBODY'S BROTHER.

AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

THAT'S WHY I THINK, UH, THAT JOHN WAS PATTING COMMISSIONER SHALA BACK, BACK IN.

HE HAS THE, AN ENGINEER GO OUT THERE ON PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BRING IN NEW ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT THE SAME THING WOULD BE SAID THAT, THAT YOU GUYS AS A GROUP COULD SAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ENGINEER ALSO GIVES THE CITIZENS THAT ARE LOOKING KIND OF A, A MECHANISM KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS TO BRING IT UP TO THIS AND THEN, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT AFTER IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED BY COMMISSIONER.

IN THAT REGARD, UH, IF THE COURT, YOU KNOW, BOTH TODAY, BUT IN THAT REGARD, COULD SOMEBODY DEVELOP AN ORDER FOR US THAT SAYS EXACTLY THAT, THAT BEFORE WE ACCEPT A BODY AS A, A ROLE, AS A PART OF OUR COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM, THAT IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP STANDARDS BASED ON WHAT THE UH, UH, COUNTY ENGINEER SAYS.

IF THAT WOULD BE PREREQUISITE, THAT'S A REASONABLE PREREQUISITE.

THAT COURT ORDER, I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO LEARNING IS GOING BE TRICKY BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF IT'S S GONNA HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO COUNTY SUBDIVISION STANDARDS, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

THAT WE WILL NEVER GAIN ANOTHER ROAD.

THERE'S NOBODY THAT LIVES ON THOSE ROADS THAT GOING PAY BEHIND THE MONEY THAT IT TAKES CONCRETE STANDARD.

AND I THINK WE ALSO, THAT'S SOMETHING, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO, IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN A LITTLE FIN ISSUE.

WE CAN WORK ON THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA LIMIT ROADS AND FOR PEOPLE, PEOPLE, CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY.

SO WE CAN WORK ON, WE NEED TO GIVE OURSELVES ENOUGH ROOM AND BE ABLE TO MANEUVER.

OR YOU COULD, OR YOU COULD EVEN DO IT IN, IN A CLASS CATEGORY.

YOU COULD SAY YOU COULD BRING IT UP TO A STANDARD AS A GRAVEL ROPE SO THAT WE CAN ONLY WHATEVER.

MAINTAIN IT GRAVE.

ONE IS A PAGE ROAD AND ONE IS A CONCRETE ROPE, I THINK STANDARD THEY WANTED TO BRING IT UP TO.

THEN WE CAN MAINTAIN AND GET THAT DONE.

BUT Y'ALL NEED TO DISCUSS, Y'ALL NEED TO DISCUSS IT AND, AND BREAK IT DOWN AND THEN WE'LL CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT SO A LITTLE MORE LEGAL.

BUT I DON'T NEED START, HAVE THE COUNTY ENGINEER TO HELP.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IN FAIRNESS TO THE COMMISSIONERS, THEY MAY NOT TELL YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU KNOW, BUT IT FEELS VERY REASSURING FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT AND, AND EXAMINED IN THAT REGARD.

I HAVE A SAMPLE THAT I CAN SEE.

LOOK AT YOU SUCH A HONOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU THINKING OF? NO, I WAS, I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY, JUST ALONG THOSE LINES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REFERENCED IS THE ABILITY OF CITIZENS TO, UH, TO FLY THE ROAD TO BY THE, AND WE'VE HAD TWO EXAMPLES OF THAT.

THERE WAS ONE WROTE THAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, QUITE A BIT THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THE NEW ADMINISTRATORS MAY RECALL THAT, UH, DISCUSSION AND, AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE LETTERS GOING OUT.

BUT THAT IS A PARTICULAR STATUTE ALLOWS FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO PETITION THE COURT, UH, TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT, UH, THEY WILL PAY THE COST.

AND THIS WAS REFERENCING THAT THEY WILL PAY THE COST AND SO BALANCES.

NOW ION IS HELD REPORTS, COMMISSIONER'S, COURT COMMISSIONER'S, COURT MAKES A DECISION.

ARE WE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, SEVERAL YEARS BACK, SOMETHING

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THAT WAS IN COMMISSIONER CLARK'S THEN COMMISSIONER CLARK'S PRECINCT, NOW COMMISSIONER PRECINCT, UM, DECISIONS MADE TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS.

THE REPAIRS WERE MADE.

UH, THE ROAD WAS I THINK SUBJECT DISCOUNT ROAD, BUT THE COSTS WERE NOT RECOVERED AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE PROCESS.

YET A SIMILAR PROCESS BEGAN WITH ANOTHER ROAD THAT WAS SAYING COMMISSIONER ROSA, THAT SOMEBODY HAD HEARD ABOUT IN RECENT COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

AND THE DISTINCTION IS, AND AND THAT ONE, THE BALLOTS WERE SENT OUT.

THEY WERE RECEIVED BY THE COURT.

THE COURT DID NOT VOTE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.

IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT STRANGE THAT IT DID NOT VOTE TO RECEIVE THAT, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, UH, IT DID NOT.

AND SO AS A RESULT, IT'S NOT A, A COUNTY ROAD, IT'S LIKE A PROCESS DOWN.

THE MONEY WAS SPENT.

SO AND SO EVERY QUESTION RIGHT IN THERE ON THAT POINT, YES SIR.

IF, IF, IF, IF, UH, A, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT NOW THEY WANNA BRING IT UP THE STANDARDS AND THEY ALL PETITION AND DO ELECTIONS, THAT STILL MEANS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE IT BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON WE DON'T WANT TO, THEY DON'T, IT DOESN'T FORCE AUTHORITY TO NO.

IF, IF, IF THEY GIVE THROUGH THE PROPER STEPS TO HAVE A PETITION, THEN THEY CAN UH, THEN THEY CAN HAVE THE BALLOTS EN ROUTE AND HAVE BALLOTS COUNTED REPORT TO THE COURT AND, AND THE COURT CAN SAY, GEE, THERE'S A AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OR THERE'S, IT'S A TIE, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

AND THAT MAY BE VERY PERSUASIVE TO THE COURT OR IT MAY NOT BE PERSUASIVE AT ALL.

AND AND YOUR FAULT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, THAT RAISES A GOOD POINT THAT THE CITIZENS CANNOT FIGHT THEIR VOTE, MAKE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

EXCEPT FOR VOTE.

EXCEPT THE ROAD.

THAT'S, THAT'S, AND AND THE SECOND ONE, AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE CITIZENS IN THAT CASE, BUT EVEN AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE OR OR UNANIMOUS VOTE OF ALL THE EFFECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS DID NOT CREATE A BURDEN, DID NOT MOVE THE NEEDLE TO HELP THE COURT DO IT.

I WOULD IMAGINE IN PERHAPS IN OTHER CASES IT WOULD.

UM, COMMISSIONER SHANE AND I TALKED RECENTLY, UH, ABOUT THE INFAMOUS RO 3 46, WHICH IS NEAR THE, UH, HUGE ROCK QUARRY RIGHT OUT NORTH OF CREEK.

UH, AND WE, THAT ROAD AND CAN'T HELP EITHER.

THAT ROAD HAS A FAIRLY WIDE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, FAR A COUNTY ROAD.

IT REALLY DOES LARGER THAN USUAL.

BUT THERE IS A SHARP CURVE WHERE THE TRUCKS THAT COME IN AND OUT OF ONE BACK AND FORTH TO THAT ROD DID HAVE TO, UH, HAVE TO TURN.

AND UH, SO, UH, THE LANDOWNER HAS INDICATED HE WILL NOT, UH, DONATE THE LAND TO THE COUNTY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONDEMN IT.

AND UH, THERE IS A, I THINK THERE'S A STATUTE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD TAKE 60 FEET OF THAT WITHOUT RIGHT.

IS THAT RIGHT? ESSENTIALLY WHAT? THAT WE CAN TAKE UP TO 60 FEET ON, ON, UH, TO MAKE ANY ROAD IN THE COUNTY, A ROAD WE SOLD THAT'S ALREADY A COUNTY ROAD.

THAT'S ALREADY A COUNTY ROAD.

WE SOLD DESIRE, WE CAN DO THAT.

AND UH, WHAT IT IS, IT COMES TO END STOP.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE A HARD 90.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S HARD ON THE TRUCKS.

AND, UH, WE GOT A DESIGN, UH, BACK FROM TDO THE OTHER DAY.

I FINALLY GOT THE DESIGN FROM TDO FOR THIS ROAD.

THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, OFFERED THE DESIGN 3 46 FOR US.

AND SO ANYWAY, AND, AND THEY'VE GOT THE, THE CORNER AROUND IT.

SO, UH, MC THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU AND US LOOK AT THE, THE DESIGN AND THEN TALK TO THE LANDOWNER.

AND I'M GLAD JUDGE BROUGHT THIS UP.

I'M SURE THE LAW STATES THAT THE COUNTY CAN TAKE WHATEVER IS REASONABLY NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD FOR THE DRAIN.

I, I DUNNO IF IT HAS A SPECIFIC FOOT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, FOOTAGE WELL AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S MORE THAT'S A HARD KNIFE RAISE.

A LOT OF PROPERTY AND, AND SO IT COMBINATION BUT MEAN

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WELL THAT'S SOMETHING WE JUST NEED.

BEFORE WE JUMP OUT THERE AND DO ANYTHING WE DON'T WANT, MAKE SURE WE HAVE PART.

SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK? UH, THANK YOU GUYS FOR THIS.

IT SOUNDED VERY HELPFUL AND YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I HAVE ALL THE PRESENTATION ON SLIDES.

YOU GIVE IT TO YOU GUYS.

ALL THIS MATERIAL HAS COME FROM DIFFERENT CLES.

THREE, UM, THAT I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW.

I CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN EXTRA SLIDE PRESENTATION IN, UH, IN THAT PACKET.

SO I DIDN'T GET THAT TO YOU BACK.

DID YOU EVER WANNA GIVE IT TO ANYONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT'S JUST MAD SHEET? YOU'VE GOT IT ALREADY.

YOU JUST PUT YEAH.

ASSUMING THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT'S MAD AT ABOUT THIS ISSUE, ASSUMING NO ONE'S MAD AT Y'ALL.

IS THERE, IS THERE, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY LIKE THAT SLIDE THAT, DO WE HAVE A WAY TO, UH, PUT THAT ON OUR PAD? SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

WE CAN, IF IF SOMEBODY CALLS US, WE CAN SAY, HEY, HERE IT IS, WALK AND IT WALKS PRETTY EASY.

WALK THROUGH AND TELL 'EM HOW TO GET TO IT.

THEY CAN, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.

AND WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE PUSHED IT TO ME IN MY EMAIL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, BECAUSE OF THE PICTURES AND THE WAY, BUT, BUT YOU BASICALLY GET THE GIST OF IT.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING TO RUN THROUGH IT AND IT'S REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THEY CALL YOU DIRECTLY.

IS THAT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS WHO CALL ME DIRECTLY, SURE.

I'LL REFER THEM TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND THEIR YES, I WILL.

AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

DO Y'ALL DON'T MIND? NO, I DON'T MIND HANGING HERE.

I JUST LET'S TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN WE'LL START BACK WITH THE SECOND UP.

AND THE NEXT PART OF THE WORKSHOP IS HERE FOR MIKE EASTON, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNANCE.

AND, UH, I'VE ASKED, UH, MR. EASTON TO COME THIS MORNING, UH, AND MAKE A VISIT TOLTON COUNTY BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT ALL THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF THE GOVERNMENT DOES, WHERE THEY GET THEIR AUTHORITY AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, UH, THAT IS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THAT.

AND I THINK YOU'LL BE SURPRISED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO.

I THINK YOU HAVE A HANDOUT.

UH, WELL I WILL AND I, I MIGHT BE HANDED OUT AT THE END.

THAT WAY WE WON'T BE LOOKING AT IT WHILE WE WELL, I HAVE FOUND IT SOMETIME.

WE LIKE STUDENTS IF WE GET FIRST LISTEN OR LOOKING AT THAT, SO YOU KIND OF TALK LOUD.

WE HAVE A NICE CROWD HERE TODAY.

AND SO THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO US.

SO, ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD.

FIRST, JUDGE, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT AND VISIT WITH YOU.

UH, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON COUNCIL FOR GOVERNMENTS, UM, THE LEGISLATURE IN 1965 TO PASS THE LAW THAT ENABLED COUNCIL FOR GOVERNMENTS TO BE CREATED.

BUT IT TOOK THE CITIES AND COUNTIES WITHIN AN AREA DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR TO ACTUALLY FORM THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.

SO WE ARE NOT A STATE AGENCY, WE ARE AN ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENT THAT IS LOCAL NATURE.

WE AREN'T A GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAX, WE CAN'T PASS ANY LAWS.

UH, BUT WE WERE CREATED REALLY TO LOOK AT THE LONG TERM OF A REGION AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE NEEDED.

AND I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HONESTLY BACK IN THOSE DAYS, SAW SOME THINGS THAT, THAT WE WANTED SEEING.

THEY KNEW THE NEW AIRPORT WAS BEING LOOKED AT.

AND WHAT THEY REALLY WANTED WAS TAKE LYNDON JOHNSON'S, UH, GREAT SOCIETY AND THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WERE COMING ALONG WITH THAT AND ALL THE DOLLARS THAT WERE GOING TO BE FLOWING BACK TO LOCAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THAT.

THEY DIDN'T WANT ROADS THAT DIDN'T NEED, THEY DIDN'T WANT ONE WATER LINES THAT WERE UNDERSIZED.

THEY REALLY WANTED, UH, A LONG RANGE VIEW OUT THERE.

OF COURSE, IN THE URBAN AREA, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE IN ONE CITY OR THE NEXT TODAY UNLESS YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE, HEY, THE COLOR, THE STREET LANE PLATE CHANGED.

DON'T DRIVING OUT HERE AGAIN TODAY JUST REMINDED ME THAT IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE YOU GUYS AREN'T JUST STARTED OUT HERE.

LIKE WHEN I WAS CITY MAN OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN RICHARDSON, WE WERE AWAY FROM DALLAS.

BUT TODAY, PLAIN OLD RICHARDSON, ALL OF THOSE ARE ALL TOGETHER.

SO THERE REALLY IS A NEED TO, TO LOOK COMPREHENSIVELY AT, UH, HOW, HOW WE'RE GROWING AND HOW

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WE'RE PREPARING FOR THAT DRUG.

THE OTHER PART WAS WORK WITH YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HELP THEM TO COOPERATE, COORDINATE ON ACTIVITIES.

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE WHOLE GOAL BEHIND IT WAS HOW DOES THIS SAVE OFFICER? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO COOPERATE AND COORDINATE? WE'VE GOTTEN INTO A LOT OF PROGRAMS, UH, SUCH AS THAT.

WE ARE GOVERNED BY A 13 MEMBER BUDGET COMMITTEE SOON TO BE 17, STARTING THIS JUNE WHEN WE HOUSE NEW ELECTIONS, WE SEND OUT, UH, NOMINATION FORMS TO ALL OF OUR MEMBER GOVERNMENTS AND THEY CAN SUBMIT NOMINEES, UH, TO BE, UH, TO CONSIDER THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 235 MEMBERS.

SO WE CAN'T BE, EVERY MEMBER HAS A MEMBER ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD IT'D BE LIKE PUTTING THIS COURT WITH 235 MEMBERS MARKED IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

SO WHAT WE REALLY TRY TO DO IS WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR SMALLER COUNTIES, SMALLER CITIES, URBAN AND RURAL, HAVE A VOICE ON THE BOARD, MEDIUM SIZED, HAVE A VOICE ON THE BOARD, THE LARGER BOOK CALIBER ON THE BOARD.

BUT OUR OVERALL NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO NEVER GET INTO A ZERO SUM GAME WHERE SOMEBODY WINS AND SOMEBODY LOSE.

ALL OF OUR POLICIES ARE REALLY GEAR AT THE BOARD.

HOW DO WE MAKE A WIN-WIN OUTTA THIS? SO WE TELL OUR MEMBERS, IF POMAN COUNTY HAD A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, PROBABLY YOUR LAST, THE BOARD BACK SERVICE PRESIDENT, BUT YOU'RE NOT JUST HERE REPRESENT POP COUNTY, YOU'RE REPRESENTING ALL THE COUNTIES THAT ARE SIZE OF COST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONSIDER WHAT THE NEEDS ARE FOR COUNTY OF, WELL ACTUALLY UP THOUGH, AND REALLY BRING A LARGER VOICE TO, UH, OUR BOARD ON THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES AND STEERING COMMITTEES WE HAVE, WE DO NOT HAVE A PROGRAM OR A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT ACTUALLY HELPS DESIGN THAT PROGRAM, THE PROJECT, AND THAT THOSE ARE PROPOSED ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, EXECUTIVES IN THE CITY AND COUNTIES A LOT OF TIMES CITIZENS.

UH, SO, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE WORK IS DONE.

I KIND THAT HE DIGS INTO SUBJECT MATTER AND THEN TAKES IT TO THE FULL LEGISLATURE TO BE, TO BE CONSIDERED.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD A SITUATION WHEREVE WOULD SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT.

THEY EXPECT THE FACT, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO WE ALSO GET INTO A LOT OF LONG RANGE PLANNING.

I'M GONNA DESCRIBE SOME OF THAT TO YOU.

WE DO A LOT OF WORK ON BEHALF OF THE STATE, AT THE VARIOUS STATE AGENCIES, AND I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

AND I WANT TO SAVE SOME TIME FOR SOME QUESTIONS FROM YOU OR IF YOU WANT EVEN ATTENDEES THAT YOU HAVE HERE.

ANY VENUE MEETING TODAY.

ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OPERATE FOR THE STATE IS THE AGING PROGRAM.

WE ARE DESIGNATED AS ONE, AND BY WAY THERE ARE 24 COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENT IN IN THE STATE WHERE 1 24, WE ACTUALLY WERE THE FIRST TO BE CREATED.

AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE LARGEST BY POPULATION, UH, SIZE AND HOUSTON HAVE AREA AGENCY ON BASIS IS CHARGED BY THE STATE WITHIN 14 OF OUR TO DELIVER SERVICES BACK TO SO OF AN AGE OR HAVE A DISABILITY THAT THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR SOME OF THEIR EQUIP YOUR HOME DELIVERED MEALS, YOUR CONGREGATE MILLS, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.

YOU GET BACK AND FORTH WITH DOCTOR VISITS TO WHAT THEY NEED TO HAVE DONE ARE ALL THINGS THAT THAT WE HAVE TO OVERSEE.

BACK THIS LAST YEAR, WE HAD ABOUT 123,000, OR ALMOST $20,000 SPENT ON SERVING 390 OVER ADULT CARE IN, UH, KAMAN COUNTY, ABOUT 67,000 MILLS THAT DELIVERED TO THE HOME CONGREGATE MILL, AND SPENT ABOUT 158,379 OLDER ADULTS AND SOME 26 OR 27,000 THERE.

TRANSPORTATION.

UH, WE REACH ABOUT 78 FOLKS HERE IN TON COUNTY.

UH, BIBLE SERVICE FOR SOME OF THOSE IS JUST DO NOT HAVE FAMILY AROUND OR OTHERS TO GET THEM, PARTICULARLY BACK

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AND FORTH CLINICS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

WE REALLY GEAR THIS PROGRAM TOWARDS SAVING DOLLARS IN TWO WAYS.

ONE, WE CONTRACT OUR SERVICE DELIVERY TO PEOPLE HERE IN THE REGION, BUT WE KEEP THE OVERHEAD AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR ALL OF OUR 14 COUNTIES.

AND IT SEEMS THE MORE THAT WE CUT DOLLARS, THE MORE THEY ADD ON TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY MONITORED.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY BEING ASKED TO DO THINGS.

AND IF EACH COUNTY HAD TO REPRODUCE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTY WITH THEIR OWN PEOPLE, YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE LOT MORE DOLLARS BEING SPENT ON THIS OVERHEAD AND ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES, WHICH THEN TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DELIVER TO THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SERVE.

THE OTHER WAY THAT WE TRY TO SAVE DAUGHTERS THERE IS TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF NURSING HOMES IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

EITHER BY DELIVERING THE HOME MILLS, HELPING THEM WITH DOCTOR VISITS, HELPING WITH LEGAL PROBLEMS, HAVING FINANCIAL SITUATIONS WHERE THEY CAN LIVE AN INDEPENDENT LIFE.

WE GOTTA MAKE ALL OF US REALLY WANT FOR SO LONG IF WE'RE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT.

UH, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS DOWN AND PARTICULARLY READMISSIONS BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE THING ON MEDICAID AND ON BOTH.

AND, UH, MEDICARE AND THESE SERVICES ALSO HAVE TO DO THAT.

BUT, UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DO IN THAT REGARD.

ALL OF THIS KEEPS COST DOWN FOR OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND OUR STATE GOVERNMENT.

IF WE CAN KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE NURSING HOMES, WE PUT THEM INTO, UH, COMMUNITY HOUSING.

CEREBRAL PALS WE HAD AT A NURSING HOME.

THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET HER TO INTO ONE OF THESE LIVING FACILITIES WITH THREE OR FOUR OTHER PEOPLE, IT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR HER.

SHE'S GONNA BE THE PEOPLE THAT SHE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH AND IT'S GONNA COST A WHOLE LOT LESS DOLLAR FROM THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE AGING PROGRAM IS REALLY GEARED TO TRY TO, TO DO THROUGH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL.

WE, UH, EVERYBODY THAT, UH, HAD A LANDFILL HAD TO PAY ATTENTION FEE TO THE STATE.

AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, WE DON'T GET 50, WE'RE ENTITLED GOOD 50% BACK.

THE LEGISLATURE NEVER FULL 50% OF THE FUNDS.

BUT HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE TO LONGER LIFE OF MANFIELD LONG AS WE CAN.

AND RECYCLING, REUSE ARE TWO WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT.

THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT IS HOW DO WE STOP BUILDING WITH NOTHING? AND WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR COUNTY AND CITIES ABOUT CANBERRA AND OTHER ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS TO TRY TO HELP.

UH, YOU DO SET AS MUCH AS IT'S POSSIBLE.

OVER THE LAST YEARS, THE COUNTY, THE CITY HERE HAVE GOTTEN ABOUT CLOSE TO $775,000 OF GRANTS.

UH, EVERY YEAR.

WE DON'T GET A GRANT REQUEST FROM EVERYBODY.

UH, AND WE NEVER, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE TIMES MORE REQUESTS THAN WE DO DOLLARS I ACTUALLY PUT TOWARDS THOSE REQUESTS.

BUT CERTAINLY YOU GUYS AND YOUR YOUR CITY HAVE BENEFITED FROM THAT, THAT PROGRAM.

ALSO UNDER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT , IF YOU'RE NOT A CITY OVER 50,000, YOU WORK THROUGH THE STATE.

THE GOVERNOR HAS ASKED THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT TO SERVE, TO MAKE SURE WHEN APPLICATIONS, IF YOU HAVE LOCAL COMMITTEE PEOPLE WHO ARE REVIEWING CONDITIONS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW BE SPENT, WE, THE MODERN DOLLAR, A WATER SEWER, PRE REPAIR AND OVER PARTS, LOWER INCOME PARTS OF OUR, OUR CITIES AND YOU GUYS, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN AWARDED, UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

IT REALLY TAKES IT OUT OF THE STATE, TREATING ALL THE AREA OF THE STATE AS A COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH.

EVERYTHING THAT THIS AREA PROBABLY ARE DIFFERENT.

IT BRINGS IT DOWN TO A MORE MANAGEMENT.

WE GET INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO BE AFFECTED BY THESE PROGRAMS AND GETTING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS SUCH AS THAT WORKFORCE.

WE ARE ASSIGNED

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BY THE STATE, AGAIN, TO BE A WORKFORCE BOARD.

AND WE SERVE THIS, THIS COUNTY WE'RE LOCATED IN, UH, TERRELL WITH A WORKFORCE CENTER.

UH, WE SERVE ABOUT 6,700 PEOPLE LAST YEAR IN THAT CENTER.

UH, WE RETRAINED 47 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COSTED ABOUT $126,000.

PEOPLE WHO HAD, WERE OUT OF A JOB, UH, NEEDED TRAINING TO GO INTO IT, A DIFFERENT JOB WITH THE ECONOMY, CHANGE THE WAY IT HAS.

UH, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME SPECIAL GRANTS HERE FOR, UH, YOUR TERRO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND THE SKILLS DEVELOPMENT GRANT FOR TRINITY VALLEY COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

THAT LAST ONE WAS ABOUT $500,000.

UH, AND THEN WE'VE WORKED WITH A WHOLE LOT OF YOUR EMPLOYERS HERE ON JOB FAIRS THAT THEY'VE HELD, UH, HIRING EVENTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES.

AND, UH, THIS AGAIN BRINGS DOWN TO, UH, THE LOCAL LEVEL THAT AND I HAVEN'T NAMED THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES, BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, TIDWELL MATERIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, IT SERVES ON THE BOARD OF OUR, OF OUR WORKFORCE PROGRAM IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

THE, AGAIN, THE GOVERNOR HAS ASKED THAT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT, UH, LOOK AT GRANT APPLICATIONS, WHETHER IT'S WOMEN AND INVOLVED, WHETHER IT'S CHILDREN, WHETHER IT'S OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT TYPE ACTIVITIES WHERE GRANTS ARE BEING ASKED.

PAM CARTER, UH, IS ON THAT ALONG WITH GREG ERNIE, UH, KOSKI, UH, BAPTIST ASSOCIATION.

AND, UH, OVER THE YEARS WITH ASSISTANT, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT GRANTS, YOU'VE HAD MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED BACK TO NOT ONLY GOVERNMENT, BUT TO A LOT OF YOUR NGOS, YOUR NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT DELIVER WHETHER WOMEN'S CENTER OR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACT ACTIVITY.

AND I'M KIND OF RUNNING THROUGH THESE, BUT I KNOW WE GOT, UH, A TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT WE NEED TO, TO BE 9 1 1.

UM, AGAIN, IN 1987, A LAW WAS PASSED THAT CREATED, UH, THE 9 1 1 PROGRAM AND ASSIGN THE RESPONSIBILITY BACK TO COUNCILS, UH, OF THE GOVERNMENT TO IMPLEMENT THAT PROGRAM ON BEHALF OF THE AREAS THAT THAT THAT WE SERVE.

THERE WERE SOME LARGER CITIES AND A FEW REALLY LARGE COUNTIES THAT ALREADY HAD THE A 9 1 1 PROGRAM IN OPERATION.

BUT ONCE THIS 87 LAW WAS PASSED, IT SAID IN THE FUTURE, THE THESE AREAS WILL BE SERVED BY, UH, THE COUNCIL OF THE GOVERNMENT.

AND THE IDEA THERE WAS TO BRING DOLLARS TOGETHER AND A LARGE ENOUGH AMOUNT THAT YOU COULD REALLY GET OUT AND START MAKING SOME ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

UH, AND IMPLEMENTING 9 1 1, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS A LEADER IN THE STATE.

IT'S A LEADER NATIONALLY AND REGISTER AS SUCH FOR THE LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WE NOW HAVE.

UM, WE'VE GOT YOU ON TEXT, WE HOPE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT THE TECHNOLOGY WILL ADVANCE, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY STREAM VIDEO BACK TO A NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER DISPATCH AREA AND PEOPLE CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON.

THAT'S, IT CAN BE DONE WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY IS COMING.

AND WE HAVE A PLATFORM IN PLACE THAT WILL ALLOW THAT TO AUTOMATICALLY OCCUR ONCE THAT TECHNOLOGY DOES ARRIVE.

JUST THIS PAST MONTH WE HAVE INSTALLED IN TAULMAN COUNTY, UH, THE LATEST IN MOUTH ALLEY ARE AUTOMATIC LOCATION IDENTIFICATION.

UH, THAT MORE ACCURATE, NOT ONLY, UH, REPORTS WITH LANDMINES, BUT THE REAL CHALLENGE TODAY IS THE MOBILE PHONES.

AND THEY'RE BECOMING THE PREDOMINANT WAY OF COMMUNICATION NOW.

UH, AND THIS IS TRIANGULATING AND GETTING TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN GET CLOSER AND CLOSER AND CLOSER WHERE THAT CALL IS ACTUALLY COMING IN.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE LEADING, UH, THE STATE AND THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT ON GETTING TO THIS LEVEL OF, UH, TECHNOLOGY.

SO GENERALLY ARE, ARE THINKING THAT IT IS, IT IS WORKING WELL.

UH, WE'VE BEEN, I THINK, BLESSED IN ONE SENSE THAT WE'VE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH A MISIDENTIFICATION OR A CALL FAIL.

IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT TECHNOLOGY,

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BUT IT'S ALL CALL ALSO BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT CALL TAKERS AND GREAT DISPATCHERS IN OUR VARIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY ADDRESS POINTS.

AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO.

WE HAVE A TRAINING PROGRAM FOR THOSE CALL TAKERS AND THE DISPATCHERS TO REALLY HELP THEM BE AS FAMILIAR AS THEY CAN WITH THE EQUIPMENT, KNOW THE BEST, UH, WAYS TO GET CALLED IN AND GET IT DISPATCHED.

UH, WE'LL SEE AGAIN IN FUTURE TECHNOLOGY COMING TO WHERE THAT CALL TAKER AND THE DISPATCHER WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT CALL COMING IN VIDEO SCREEN HERE.

THEY CAN SEE THE EVENT AND IT REALLY GOING TO EVEN ENHANCE MORE, UH, THE ABILITY TO GET THE SERVICES OUT TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, ARE NEEDING IT.

UH, JUST TRYING TO THINK.

THE OTHER THING THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE DO IS WE ARE ASSIGNED BY, AGAIN, THE STATE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE HELPING TO DETERMINE WITH THE STATE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, UH, ARE GONNA BE FUNDED IN IN THE FUTURE.

UM, AND AGAIN, OUR TRANSPORTATION AREA RECOGNIZED LEADER NATIONALLY AND IN, IN, IN THE STATE, WE HAVE MORE PROJECTS GOING ON BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, I GUESS THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOXVILLE, BUT THE BEST WAY TO, TO DESCRIBE IT THAN ANY OTHER REGION IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING FUNDS TOGETHER, MIX AND MATCH FUNDS, WHETHER PROJECTS GOING IT BE READY, LET'S GET THAT PROJECT GOING.

LET'S TAKE SOME FUNDS FROM WHEN IT'S NOT GONNA BE READY FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS.

THEN WE'LL BACKFILL THAT PROJECT WHEN UH, IT REALLY IS READY TO, UH, BE IMPLEMENTED AS A RESULT.

AS HAVE WORKED VERY, VERY, UH, WELL AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE, WE WORKED WITH YOU ON YOUR BOND PROGRAM.

WE WORKED WITH YOU ON A LOT OF OTHER AREAS WITH PROPOSITION ONE PASSING.

WE DECIDED LET'S NOT LOOK AT THIS IN ONE YEAR.

LET'S LOOK AT IT OVER A PERIOD OF FOUR YEARS AND WHAT CAN WE ACCOMPLISH AND HOW DO WE STATE THOSE PROJECTS OVER FOUR YEARS.

THE STATE IS NOW SAYING, YOU KNOW, A GOOD IDEA.

WE WANT EVERYBODY, UH, TO APPROACH IT THAT WAY.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA GET AROUND 33 30 $4 MILLION.

UH, SO FOR MAINTENANCE AND SOME FOR PROJECTS IMPROVEMENT ALONG, UH, 20 AND THEN SOME OTHER AREAS, UH, OUT OF THAT, THE STATE PRETTY INSISTENT ON.

WE WANT PROJECTS READY TO GO DONE FIRST.

AND THAT'S REALLY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DID TURN OUT IN VOTE FOR 80% ACROSS THE STATE TO APPROVE PROPOSITION ONCE.

SO THEY WANT TO SHOW SOME, SOME QUICK RESULTS.

WE AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS JUST SEE A PROJECT DONE THAT REALLY IS NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT READY FOUR YEAR WINDOW.

HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS PHASE IN? WE BANG FOR OUT THAT $1.7 BILLION.

OUR REGION WILL GET ABOUT $367 BILLION THIS YEAR.

WE ANTICIPATE WITH OIL AND GAS PRICE DECLINE, BUT THAT'S GOING GO DOWN AND OUT HERE.

WE HAVE REALLY FIGURED THAT INTO OUR COMPUTATIONS THAT WE PROBABLY WON'T GET THAT 1.74 BILLION IN OUT HERE.

THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT.

BUT THE LAST THING WE WANTED TO DO IS GET INTO PROJECTS AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY THEM FORWARD.

SO WE'RE BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THAT AREA.

LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS IN 1990, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO, LAW STATE HAS TO IMPLEMENT.

WE REALLY WENT TO THE STATE AND SAID, WE ARE RATHER YOU NOT JUST COME DOWN AND TELL US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

WE'D RATHER MAKE THIS A SITUATION WHERE OUR LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIAL, OUR BUSINESS PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST ADVISE YOU AND WORK WITH YOU IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS TYPES OF CONTROL MEASURES THAT YOU WOULD PUT IN PLACE.

SO WE CAN DECIDE WHICH ONES BEST GOOD OUR REGION, WHICH ONES ARE EASIEST FOR US TO IMPLEMENT, AND THE ONES THAT WE CAN GET BEHIND THAT HELP AND HELP KEEP WORK.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD TO ALLOW US TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS THEY KEEP LOWERING THE THRESHOLD FOR WHAT MAKES HOW, HOW YOU CAN MEET THE STANDARD.

AND WE HAVE JUST ABOUT USED UP, WELL, WE HAVE USED UP ALL THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.

IN FACT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET MORE THAN A STEP LADDER TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, UH, GET INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAWS.

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GONE FROM AN 85 PARTS PER BILLION STANDARD AND WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE IN THE 60 TO 65.

BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR THIS AREA TO ACHIEVE.

BUT WE'VE GOT 10 OF OUR COUNTIES THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED BY THE EPA OR THROUGH RECOMMENDATION OF GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF T TO BE IN THE NON ATTAINMENT AREA.

WISE COUNTY JUST GOT ADDED TO IT.

UH, TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE NINE COUNTIES.

NOW WE ARE, NOW WE ARE, UH, 10.

WE HAVE NO REGULATORY AUTHORITY AND THIS AT ALL.

OURS IS JUST SIMPLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THINGS HERE.

BUT THAT'S HOW A VOICE IN IN THAT.

AND UH, WE GOT ABOUT 18 MONITORS THAT ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THIS NINE COUNTY, 10 COUNTY AREA.

IT'S OUR MONITORS UP IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE REGION.

TIM COUNTY, UH, A LITTLE BIT IN, IN, IN KELLER AND TARRANT COUNTY ARE THE MONITORS THAT, THAT EXCEED AND KELLER WOULD BE THAT DIRTY.

WELL, THEY AREN'T.

THE WIND BLOWS OUT SOUTHEAST INTO THE NORTHWEST.

SO IT STARTED PICKING UP POLLUTANTS WAY BEFORE IT GETS INTO OUR 10 COUNTY AREA.

BUT BY THE TIME IT REALLY GETS THE CHANCE TO STOP AND REST, IT'S UP IN THAT PART.

AND THAT'S WHY THOSE MONITORS ARE GOING OFF.

BUT WE ALL CONTRIBUTE TO IT, TO OUR CARS, TO VARIOUS INDUSTRIES AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO I'M, I THINK JUST VERY, I, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOW GETTING THE STANDARD SO TIGHT THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT THEY DON'T ASK US IF WE THINK IT MAKES SENSE OR NOT.

THEY HAVE A SCIENCE COMMITTEE THAT'S IN THE LAW, UH, THAT WOULD PASSED WITH THE CLEAN AIR ACT THAT SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS AND THEY'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND WHAT THEY THINK THE STANDARDS SHOULD BE, UH, BASED ON THAT.

SO, UH, IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

BUT WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ACCOMPLISHED.

JUST QUICK ENDING, WE ARE WORKING WITH A LOT OF OUR CITIES, UH, JOINT PROJECTS, UH, AND EVERYTHING TECHNOLOGY.

WE GOT ELECTRONIC WARRANT, UH, PROJECT GOING ON NOW THAT SOMEBODY IN CARROLL HAD A WARRANT FOR A CARROLL UH, ARREST.

AND AT THIS, AT THIS TIME, IT'S JUST FLAT C SO IT IS MOSTLY CITY, BUT GET STOPPED IN COLLEGE, FIND THAT THEY GOT A WARRANT TODAY, YOU WOULD TAKE THEM TO JAIL.

TARA WOULD HAVE TO COME OVER AND PICK UP THEIR PERSON, TAKE 'EM BACK, THAT PATIENT OFFICER OFF THE STREET.

A LOT OF PAPERWORK INVOLVED.

WE NOW HAVE A WAY THAT IF THAT PERSON KAUFMAN JAIL, THEY GET OUT A CREDIT CARD, PAY OFF THE WARRANT TO TERRELL, NO MONEY CHANGES HANDS, IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO TERRELL'S ACCOUNT.

SO KAUFMAN AND TERRELL DON'T HAVE TO SQUARE UP OUT THEN OF IT.

SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT IT, IT JUST HELPS OUR CITIES TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND MORE EFFICIENT.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE ABOUT IS HOW DO WE TAKE THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE DO HAVE GUESS LOCAL INFLUENCE, LOCAL DETERMINATION AND HOW THE PROJECTS GONNA GO FORWARD.

AND THEN DESIGNING SUCH TO BE THAT THE MOST, THE LOWEST COST I CAME OUT CITY MANAGEMENT AND UH, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST REPUTATION, BUT I THINK MOST OF, WE DO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DELIVER SERVICES, COST POSSIBLE PHILOSOPHY, WHAT WE'RE DOING, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE FEDERAL STATE THAT WE DIDN'T.

WITH THAT, I'LL STOP AND SEE IF I LEFT ANYTHING OUT OR DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY, LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONERS AND JURY.

THE OTHER FOLKS HERE HAVE TIME.

OTHER QUESTIONS? EXCUSE.

ALRIGHT, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, THE COMMITTEES YOU WERE REFERRING TO, WHO APPOINTS THE MEMBERS TO THOSE COMMITTEES? OUR, OUR, OUR BOARD DOES, BUT WE WILL USUALLY SEEK OUT THE COUNTY JUDGE MR. COURT OR WELL, HEIM, WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE UP THERE.

WE'RE JUST ALTERNATE FOR ELLIS COUNTY OR NO, THE RTC TRANSPORTATION.

NOW THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD POINT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RTC AND COPS? THAT'S SOMETHING I'M VERY UNCLEAR.

THE FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION FOR THESE,

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WHICH I WAS VERY PLEASED RATHER THAN US OR THE STATE MAKING ALL DECISIONS TOP DOWN RATHER HOW THE AREA WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE BUILT, HELPING TO DETERMINE WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE.

THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH DOLLARS TO DO ALL YOU WANT.

SO HOW DO YOU GET THE MOST THINGS BY THE COUNCIL? GOVERNMENT WAS DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR TO FEED THEM TO GO FOR THIS AREA.

NOW, WITHIN THE FEDERAL LAW, IT DOES REQUIRE A BOARD FOR THE TO GO.

IT COULD BE OUR 13 MEMBERS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, BUT WE'VE DECIDED WE NEED TO BROADEN THAT OUT.

SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 44 MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.

WE TRY TO DO THAT AS CLOSE TO ONE MAN, ONE VOTE, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SOME SHARED SEATS, UM, ACROSS, UH, THE AREA.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE ASSIGNED BY THEIR CITIES OR BY THEIR COUNTIES.

IF IT'S A SHARED SEAT, THE LARGEST CITY OR THE COUNTY GETS TO REALLY BE, UH, IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

BUT WE DO ENCOURAGE, WHY DON'T YOU CHANGE OUT THOSE SEATS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

IN SOME CASES, WE REALLY GOT A GOOD COOPERATIVE APPROACH TO THAT, THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY, OKAY, WE HAD IT LAST TWO YEARS, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE IT OTHER CASES? WE SAID, NO, WE'RE THE BIGGEST AND AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP KEEP THE SEAT.

BUT THE THING THAT I THINK IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU DON'T GET A SEAT IN AN AUTOMATIC PROJECT TO GO ALONG WITH IT.

UH, THAT'S WHERE OUR STAFF REALLY COMES INTO THE PICTURE OF WHERE WE HAVE TO BE VERY ON, WHERE ARE THE GREATEST NEEDS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD, HOW DOES THAT FIGURE IN THE SAFETY? AND THEN GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BUILD THIS LITTLE SEGMENT OF ROAD RIGHT HERE, BUT IT IS GONNA TIE INTO A LARGER ROAD AND THAT ROAD CAN'T HANDLE YOU.

YOU'RE JUST GONNA MOVE THE PINCH POINT FROM THIS LOCATION UP TO WHERE IT GOES INTO THAT.

SO WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS LARGER ARTERIAL OR THIS LARGER HIGHWAY BEFORE WE START LOOKING AT SOME WITH A SMALLER ROAD.

NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE, UH, TO CONSIDERED.

BUT UH, IT'S JUST LIKE WE HAVE DONE WITH, WITH YOU ON SEVERAL PROJECTS.

WE REALLY TRY TO REACH OUT TO WHERE THERE ARE THE NEEDS AS MUCH AS AS POSSIBLE.

BUT, UH, AS DAUGHTERS ARE GETTING TIGHTER AND TIGHTER, WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE SQUIRMING A LITTLE BIT MORE SEATS SAYING, OH MY GOD, WE NEED THIS AND THERE'S ONLY THIS MUCH MONEY AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A BETTER FOR THE REGION, A BETTER PROJECT.

AND WHEN I SAY THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE SAY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REGION, I JUST CARE ABOUT MY LITTLE SEGMENT OF THE ROAD.

I JUST CARE ABOUT THAT.

YOU, HOLLAND COUNTY JUST WIDEN, UH, THE ROAD THROUGH, THROUGH US.

WELL, YOU COULD DO THAT.

YOU HAVE FIVE LANES, SIX LANES HERE, 10 LANES THROUGH CON COUNTY BACK DOWN TO SIX, FOUR LANES GETTING COMMERCE, GETTING GOODS AND SERVICES, GETTING PEOPLE THROUGH.

YOU REALLY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.

SO WE REALLY DO HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE REGION, WE REALLY DO.

YEAH, IT, IT BENEFITS THE WHOLE REGION.

UH, WHICH WITH THE 44 MEMBERS ON THE RTC REPRESENTING, I GUESS THEY JUST REPRESENT 10 COUNTIES, JUST LIKE THE RTC WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE 16 COUNTIES.

THEY DO HAVE 10 AND OH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YOU HAVE TO BE OF A CERTAIN SIZE POPULATION WISE AND A CERTAIN DENSITY AND AND THAT'S NOT US THINKING THAT RULE.

THAT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RULE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE, THE COUNTIES THAT WE DO AND DON'T HAVE SOME OF OUR COUNTIES THAT ARE FARTHER OUT ON THE OUTER LIMITS OF, OF OUR BOUNDARIES.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S AGAINST OUT.

IS THAT WHAT'S KEEPING OUT POPULATION? WELL, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT IT IS THAT THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SHARING A, A C AND WE GOT A LOT OF CITIES IN, IN INSIDE THE, THE URBAN AREA THAT ARE, THAT ARE HAVING THE SHERIFF.

YEAH, YOU GOT CITIZENS OF DALLAS ON ONE ON A SEAT OVER THERE.

WHY DO CITIZENS OF DALLAS HAVE SEAT? AND THEY'VE GOT, THE COUNTY DOES, COUNTY HAS THEIRS AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ONE CALLED CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND I CAN'T THINK , THAT'S KIND OF NOT UNFAIR TO US.

I KNOW IT'S NOW YOU SAID IT'S A GOVERNMENT REGULATION I GUESS, BUT LET ME, YEAH, LET ME EXPLAIN.

IT IS ABOUT POPULATION BY POPULATION.

THEY ARE ENTITLED TO SIX SEATS.

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THEY CHOSE TO PUT FOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS INTO THOSE SEATS AND THEN TO PUT SOME PRIVATE CITIZENS INTO THE OTHER TWO SEATS.

SO THAT, THAT WAS NOT OUR DECISION TO DO THAT.

BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THE SEATS BY POPULATION AND HOW THEY DECIDED TO ASSIGN THE SEATS WAS, WAS UP TO THEM.

I THINK ALL THE COUNTIES SHOULD HAVE A VOTE.

WE ELIMINATE 40 OTHER PEOPLE.

WELL MAKE IT DOWN TO ABOUT 36, 35.

YOU ELIMINATE A LOT OF ISSUES.

BUT, UH, WELL IF, IF YOU'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND VISIT WITH YOU.

I MEAN WE, WE REALLY, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME OVER AND SIT DOWN ON THE, GONNA SEE A SITUATION THAT YOU REALLY DO HAVE PEOPLE VOTING ON PROJECTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THEIR AREAS BECAUSE THEY DO SEE THE BIGGER, UH, PICTURE OF THINGS.

AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE, WELL I GOT THIS, I WANT FIVE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN ADDISON AND I DON'T GIVE A DARN ABOUT CARLTON OR ABOUT RICHARDSON.

I MEAN, IT, IT, IT JUST, AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT IT, BUT, BUT IT TRULY IS THE WAY THAT IT, THAT IT, THAT IT WORKS.

I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OF THOSE RTC MEETINGS AND, AND THEY'RE PRETTY INTERESTING.

LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE SEEN TO WORK TOGETHER VERY WELL AND I'VE WITNESSED WHERE THEY, ONE PROJECT WASN'T READY, SO THEY, THE THE NEXT MEMBER SAID, YOU KNOW, SHIFT THE MONEY FROM THERE TO THERE, KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

LIKE I SAID, THEY WORK TOGETHER VERY WELL AND YOU KNOW, THEY, AND THEN THEY DO WRESTLE WITH IT.

UH, CAN YOU, IT WOULDN'T BE JUST ADD ONE MORE COUNTY FOR THE CITY GEORGIA.

ONE MORE YOU CAN GET TO WHAT WE GOT 90 PEOPLE SITTING AROUND THAT TABLE.

AND YOU JUST LOST, UH, CONTROL OF THE WHOLE SITUATION.

I MEAN, UH, IT JUST SEEMS ODD THAT THE COUNTY WOULDN'T HAVE EACH, YOU KNOW.

EACH COUNTY HAVE AT LEAST ONE VOTE BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, COMING OUT HERE YOU SEE THE POPULATION GROWTH AND APPARENTLY WE'RE NOT TO THAT POINT WHERE, UH, WE JUSTIFY HAVING YOU A SIGNAL TC.

IT ACCORDING TO FEDERAL REGULATIONS.

I UNDERSTAND NOW IT'S JUST YEAH.

BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO HEAR THE CONCERN AND PARTICULARLY FROM THE STAFF, WE WANT, WE WANNA WEIGH THOSE INTO THE OVERALL, I MEAN, WE DO TRY TO DO THAT.

I MEAN, JUST LIKE WITH THIS PROPOSITION ONE, WE, WE SAID EVERYONE, EVERY COUNTY WE'VE GOT IS GONNA GET SOME OF THIS TO THIS FOR, IT GOES TO MY NEXT QUESTION, THAT 34 MILLION, THAT'S JUST FOR THIS YEAR.

THAT, THAT'S OVER A FOUR YEAR, FOUR 34 MILLION FOR THE ENTIRE FOUR YEAR PLAN.

LEMME MAKE SURE OF THAT.

94 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO CHECK ON THAT BREAK.

I DID THESE, THESE, THESE ARE WITHIN THE FIRST, THIS IS OVERALL AND THEN THE FIRST YEAR, 14.

SO YOU'RE GONNA GET ABOUT 14 MEMBER FIRST YEAR.

14 THIS YEAR AND 34.

YOU GOT THE SAME TWO SMALL CIRCLES AND CUT IT UP LIKE A PIECE OF PIE.

THAT'S WHAT WHAT TAR COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY, THEY RUN ALL THE TRAFFIC INTO DALLAS FORT WORTH.

IF YOU WOULD PUT A LOOP FROM ATCH ALL THE WAY AROUND, LEY, CALL IT AL LOOP, BRING IT THROUGH TON COUNTY, HUNT COUNTY, TAKE IT THROUGH COLLIN COUNTY ON THE NORTH SIDE AND ALL THE WAY AROUND, YOU WOULD ELIMINATE A LOTS TRUCK FROM DOWN THERE.

DALLAS, WE WERE DRIVING IN FROM YI MEAN FROM YESTERDAY.

AND YOU COULD LOOK, YOU CAN SEE THE HAY WHEN YOU GET TO WATCH THE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE GOING NUMBERS.

WELL, IT WOULDN'T HURT ANYTHING THAT THAT'S FOR DARN INSURED.

WE HAVE A LOOP.

NOT QUITE THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, THEY STARTED WITH LOOP 12 A LONG TIME AGO.

WELL, YEAH, ONE, YEAH, YOU DON'T GET ONE DONE OVERNIGHT.

BUT TWO, THE PLANS THAT WE FOUND HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ONLY.

YOU PUT A PROJECT IN IT, YOU'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO SHOW THE ACTIVE FINANCES.

WE DON'T, THERE'S NOTHING DOLLARS FOR THAT LOOP.

AND WE, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE, BUT THEY GOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY NOW, NOW WE'RE AT POINT SAY WE DON'T WANT ANY TAXES OR FEES AND OUR LEGISLATIVE ARTS AND CONGRESSMEN ARE LISTENING TO US.

AND NOW WE DON'T WANT ANY TOLLS.

SO WE'RE AT A LOSS FOR, WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONTRACTORS WHO JUST WANT TO BILL ROADS AND DON'T WANT TO BE PAID FOR.

IF YOU GOT ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHERE THEY ARE, PLEASE LET US KNOW ABOUT OUT

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NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO SECURE THE RIGHT WAY PROPOSAL.

AND WE ARE TRYING AND, AND, AND THEN EVEN THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE DOLLARS TO DO THAT.

SO, AND THINK OF MOVE OUT ABOUT IS THAT VERY THING THE RIGHT OF WAY IS GONNA, IS GETTING TAKEN UP WHERE IT WAS, BUT YOU'VE ALSO GOT TO SHOW THAT TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS ARE SUCH THAT YOU CAN WARRANT THAT, THAT TYPE OF LOOP.

AND UH, AND OVER THE LONG, LONG HAUL, THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE THE CASE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE YEARS AWAY, UH, FROM THAT.

BUT, UH, WE, WE REALLY, AND THIS IS, THERE'S PROPOSITION ONE TO GREAT STORM, BUT IT IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET COMPARED TO WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED, UH, ACROSS THE STATE, PARTICULARLY IN OUR REGION.

SO, UH, I'M HOPEFUL THE LEGISLATURE IS GONNA BRING SOME MORE DOLLARS, BUT AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SAYS THAT'LL HELP US KEEP MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH HAS GOT TO BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.

YOU'VE GOTTA KEEP WHAT YOU'VE GOT MAINTAINED AND THEN IT'LL ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, OF NEW, UH, GROWTH AND CAPACITY TO, TO OCCUR.

SO IT IS ONE OF OUR CHIEF WORRIES ABOUT HERE WE ARE, A REGION GROWING LIKE WE ARE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM ANYWHERE TO, UH, REALLY BE ABLE TO SATISFY THE DEMAND THAT'S GONNA BE PLACED ON US.

I GUESS WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN FACED THAT PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

REMEMBER CAME BACK TO VIETNAM, 6 35 CAME THE FIRST TIME.

I SAID, UH, THIS IS A BIG OLD HIGHWAY OUT HERE.

I SAID, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY EVER USING .

YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME WAY NOW EVERYBODY IMAGINE IS MONSTER OR NOTHING.

MAYBE SOMEDAY WE ACTUALLY, WE DON'T BUILD ONE THAT WILL BE JETSON OR SOMETHING.

WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, AND, AND, AND IT COME TO A SEA.

BUT I MEAN, YOU SAY THAT AND THERE ARE A LOT OF REGION INCLUDING OURS, THAT ARE LOOKING, TRY TO LOOK OUT 30, 23 YEARS COMPUTER SAYING, ARE WE GONNA BE WORKING FROM HOME MORE? ARE WE GONNA BE TRAVELING IN DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONVEY OF WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME, AND NOBODY HAS NOBODY KNOWS HAS THE ANSWER TO THAT.

BUT WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA OUT BUILD OUR POPULATION, BUT WITH THE TRANSPORTATION, IT, IT, YOU JUST CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT.

GOING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, INSURANCE, YOU KNOW, HIGH IMPORTANT STUFF IS THIS 9 1 1 MONEY AND THE SYSTEM AND ALL.

UM, HOW LONG HAS THE COMPTROLLER BEEN HOLDING OUR, OUR 9 1 1 FEES AND NOT GIVING IT BACK TO COST? SO USE IT.

I MEAN, THEY KEEP 20 YEARS TRUST ACCOUNT.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S LIKE 171 MILLION STATEWIDE THAT THE COMPTROLLER IS HOLDING.

HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN GOING? WELL, IT STARTED REALLY IN THE LATE NINETIES.

OR EARLY NINETIES.

BUT IT REALLY STARTED BUILDING UP AND IT, AND IT HAS CONTINUED TO BUILD, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY THE STATE COMP, OF COURSE THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY RECEIVED THE MONEY, BUT IT'S THE LEGISLATURE WHO SAYS, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TRUST.

AND THEY ACTUALLY USE THE, THEY'VE DONE IT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL FIVE.

WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, BUT WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.

BUT WE GOT A LOT OF DEDICATED FEES THAT CAN'T BE USED FOR GENERAL.

THEY'RE DOING THAT WITH OTHER POLICE FEE.

I MEAN, HAVE HUGE AMOUNT SITTING APARTMENT ALL OVER.

AND OUR, SOME OF OUR AIR QUALITY, UH, CONTROL MEASURES, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR DIESEL VEHICLES.

YEAH, THEY'RE HOLDING MONEY.

THEY GOT FOUR TO $5 BILLION WORTH OF THOSE FUNDS THAT THEY NOT LET TO BE, TO BE SPENT AND THEN COUNTED AS REVENUE BALANCE THE BUDGET.

SO IT'S BEEN GOING ON A GOOD WHILE NOW, THIS LAST SESSION WE DID A LITTLE BETTER THIS SESSION WITH THE REAL COST, BUT THEY'RE DOING, AND WE HOPE THEY CAUGHT A THROUGH, THEY ARE GONNA TRY TO RELEASE.

AND FOR 9 1 1 WE CAME OUT PRETTY WELL IF THEY FINALLY WE CAME OUT PRETTY WELL BASED ON WHAT THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET BOARD IS RECOMMENDING TO THEM AND WHAT, UH, CEASE, UH, THE STATE HAS ASKED FOR.

SO, UH, THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUR, OUR CONCERN IS, OKAY, THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SO WE DO WELL, CAN WE COUNT ON THAT IN? AND THE ANSWER IS NO, NOT SO LONG AS IT IS, UH, COLLECTED,

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UH, AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AND THEN THE LEGISLATURE HAS THE AUTHORITY AND THEY CURRENTLY DO THE JOB TO DETERMINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO APPROPRIATE THOSE.

WELL, MR. WEAVER RELAY EARLIER, WE'RE WORKING WITH HER, GRAB THE SENATOR, YOU KNOW, PRAIRIE IN DRAFT LEGISLATION BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS OUR 9 1 1 MONEY.

I MEAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST IS SO WE CAN HANDLE OUR EMERGENCIES AND OUR, UH, OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

UM, YOU WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, PARTS I CAN SEE WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE SUCH AN URGENCY MAYBE WITH A LANDFILL FEES, BUT HAVE Y'ALL LOBBIED IN ANY SORT OF WAY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE LEGISLATION CHANGED AS HAVE THE CO AS THE UNIT GOT TOGETHER AND, AND TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE LEGISLATURES TO, WELL, WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM LOBBYING OURSELVES BECAUSE WE DO GET STATE FEDERAL DOLLAR.

BUT NO, WE'VE HAD, UM, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DOWN TO THE LEGISLATURE FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE SESSIONS REALLY CONCENTRATING ON WE'VE GOT TO RELEASE THESE, UH, RESPONSE.

NOW BY LAW, THESE FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED TO GET SPECIFIC FUNDS TO GET TO THE DISPATCH CENTER.

THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR EQUIPMENT AND EVEN IN THE DISPATCH CENTER.

AND THEY, EXCEPT FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDED TO GET THE CALL TO THE CENTER AND, AND TO THE CAD OR TO THE DISPATCH AREA, UM, THAT THEY CREATED A, A FUND FOR, OR THEY PASS A LAW TO CREATE A FUND FOR COMMUNICATIONS THAT COULD BE USED FOR INTEROP, BUT THEY NEVER PUT ANY MONEY IN.

WELL, AND THEY CAN ALSO PAY THE LEGISLATION.

SO PRETTY UP PUT INTO THAT.

OH, IT COULD BE.

AND, AND UH, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

AND I HOPE THAT THEY'LL GET SOMETHING.

MAYBE THEY'LL, MAYBE THEY'LL GET SOMETHING THAT'S GO OVER TO THE COUNTIES, NOT JUST, BUT OTHER COUNTIES CAN DO THE SAME THING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET SOME GRANT MONEY.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU BRIEFLY, IF YOU KNOW, CAN YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE EQUIPMENT THAT THE PSAPS THAT THIS MONEY DOES PAY FOR? WELL, THEY PAY FOR LIKE THE MONITOR, THE CONSOLE DISPATCH CONSOLE STUFF.

IT CAN'T DO IT CAN'T DO THAT.

IF, IF YOU'VE GOT ROUTERS THAT MAKE SURE THE CALLER COMING IN, THEN YOU GOT ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S, UH, AUTOMATIC LOCATION INFORMATION THAT DOES FEED INTO THE CAD.

THAT'S A CONSOLE.

BUT YEAH, WHEN IT GETS TO THE CONSOLE ITSELF OR THE RADIO ROUTE, THAT PART ROUTE WOULD BE THE, SINCE IT DOES ROUND IT TO THE BASE UNITS.

SO IT CAN PAY FOR THAT.

IT, YEAH, I CAN GET TO THAT THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL RADIO.

NO, I KNOW NOT FAITH, BUT IT IT CAN DO.

OH YEAH, NO, YEAH.

ARE THE RULES ANY DIFFERENT FOR A REGIONAL DIS FOR A REGIONAL, UM, UH, DISTRICT LIKE WE ARE IN THE COG VERSUS JUST A COUNTY OWNED DISTRICT? LIKE SAY HENDERSON COUNTY WHERE THEY, THEY THE COUNTY IS THEIR OWN ISSUE.

IF THEY HAVE THE DOLLARS, THEY CAN, THEY CAN, THEY CAN, THEY CAN BUY STUFF LIKE DISPATCH EQUIPMENT.

THEY COULD, YEAH.

AND THEY'RE GOVERNED BY A BOARD.

RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT THEY GOT CREATED PRIOR 80 AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE LAW THAT THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.

SO BY THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, WE COULD GET REMOVED FROM Y'ALL'S ORIGINAL 9 1 1 AND BECOME OUR OWN 9 1 1.

THE LEGISLATURE DETERMINED THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

UH, THERE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE, BUT JOHN DESIGNED THAT BECAUSE IT COULD FINALLY DISRUPT THIS, THE WHOLE SYSTEM.

UH, IT DISRUPTS THE MONEY FLOW.

HUH? IT DISRUPTS THE MONEY FLOW.

WELL, AND IT DOES, AND THEN IT DISRUPTS.

I MEAN, YOU GOT A LOT OF RURAL AREAS YEAH.

ARE BENEFITING FROM SOME OF THIS.

I LOOK AT THAT AGAIN, THE SAME WAY.

I DON'T JUST STAY IN HERE.

IF I GET OUT INTO ONE OF THOSE RURAL AREAS, I JUST ASSUME KNOW IF I WAS IN A WRECK, THEY'D BE ABLE TO FIND ME OR MY CAR CAUGHT ON FIRE.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY OWN BIAS, UH, UH, ABOUT IT.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HENDERSON COUNTY IS DOING.

UH, I DO KNOW BASED ON THE TIME THERE THAT THEY'VE INDICATED THAT, UH, IF THEY COULD GET A, A COMP DISTRICT WHERE ALL THE DOLLARS CAME BACK THAT THEY THINK HENDERSON COUNTY WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO JOIN THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT THE DOLLARS TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THAT, THAT THEY NEED.

AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT AS THE GOSPEL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE FACT, BUT, UH, WELL, I KNOW THEY JUST BUILT A NEW BUILDING A FEW YEARS AGO, PAID CASH FOR IT AND VERY WELL, YEAH.

$500,000 BUILDING AND THEY'VE GOT MONEY IN THE BANK AND, AND THEY'VE EQUIPPED ALL THEIR PSAPS AS UP TO THE POINT OF

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EVEN INCLUDING SOME OF THIS DISPATCH EQUIPMENT.

AND IT COULD BE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE AT THE SAME LEVEL.

THEY GOT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BANK.

IT JUST, THEY'RE SIMILAR TO US IN, YOU KNOW, DEMOGRAPHICS AND SIZE AND AMOUNT OF CITIES AND EVERYTHING.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, WE CAN KEEP OUR MONEY AT HOME RATHER THAN THE STATE HOLDING IT.

IF, UH, IF WE CAN'T ENCOURAGE THE LEGISLATORS TO RETURN OUR MONEY TO BE USED FOR WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, OR MAYBE WE OUGHT TO SEE IT BECOMING OUR OWN DISTRICT SO WE CAN KEEP OUR MONEY.

BECAUSE AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT IT GOES STRAIGHT FROM THE PHONE COMPANIES TO THE DISTRICTS? IF YOU'RE NOT IN A CO? SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TARNISHED FOR THE BSAP? I THINK BY REAGAN LAW WE WOULD'VE TO PULL THAT AND THEN YOU WOULD GET THE QUICK WITH THAT.

YOU GOT ANY COMPARED WHAT FOUR PSAPS? WE COMPLICATED AND PSAP IS ANSWERING POINT.

10 TOTAL PSAP IN 10.

FOUR MAJOR ONES, I GUESS 10 PSAPS IN COLTON COUNTY.

WHAT ARE THEY? EACH STATION FOUR STATIONS WITH US TWO AT THE OTHER AGENCIES.

THE PSAP SAID IS COUNTY STATION DISPATCH.

I GOT, YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE COUNTING LOCATIONS.

THE OTHER THING WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO, AND I FAILED TO MENTION THIS, IS WE'VE GOT IT NOW THAT FOR SOME REASON ALL COUNTY LOSS SERVICE, YOU'RE CONNECTED TO OTHER PSAP AND OTHER COUNTIES.

YOU'RE EVEN CONNECTED TO OUR PSAP AT OUR OFFICES WHERE YOU CAN GET CALL TAKE AND DISPATCHERS, UH, .

GOOD CONNECTIVITY FROM THAT ANGLE.

I I YOU'RE GETTING INTO YOUR OWN LOCAL POLITICS AND I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST TAKE A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT IT.

JUST REALLY LONG TERM, THE BEST.

JUST ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY FIGURES AS TO, I, I'VE GOT FIGURES THAT HOW MUCH WE, Y'ALL ARE THE STATE HAS COLLECTED FROM CAMAN COUNTY.

WHAT I CAN'T SEEM TO GET IS HOW MUCH MONEY THE PSAPS, UH, HAVE RECEIVED FROM TO, OR HOW MUCH DOLLAR'S WORTH OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAS PUT IN THE PSAP.

YOU PASS THAT UP.

AND, AND I GUESS THE, I GUESS THE, THE POINT OF THIS ME EIGHT, UM, I THINK, EXCUSE ME, MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ASK WHERE I I DO KNOW IT WENT FOUR, FOUR REGIONS.

WHO HANDED THIS? THAT THAT'S, THAT'S COFFMAN COUNTY AND THAT'S ALL 10 PSAPS EXACTLY WHAT THEY PROVIDE US.

THEY WENT AND DIVIDED UP IN THE FOUR BASICALLY PAYMENTS.

WAS IT, I MEAN, WAS IT NO, THAT IS NOT IN PAYMENTS.

THAT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN IN THE FOUR DIVISION THEN TOTAL MONEY, LIKE ONE OF THEM TERRELL AND THEN WENT PART THAT WENT TO LIN C AND THEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT'S THE WHOLE COMBINED.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

ALL THE PSAPS IN THE CAN.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY, AND IT ALL JUST PAMP ON YES SIR.

ALL EQUIPMENT'S AND EVERYTHING.

BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT PHYSICALLY SEEING THAT MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

NO, NO, I KNOW.

I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE IT WENT.

I ALREADY KNOW THAT.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I THINK WHAT WE'VE SHOWN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS YOU BROUGHT IN ABOUT 1,000,005 ABOUT A, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE TECHNICIANS, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A LOT OF WORK STAFF TO KEEP THIS THING UP AND GOING.

SO YOU FIGURE YOU'RE TOTAL ALL IN COST AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

UH, THE IMPRESSION THAT I HAVE IN TALKING WITH THE COMMISSION IS THAT, I HATE TO SAY THIS OUT LOUD, BUT THAT COLLIN COUNTY HAS HELPED A LOT, THE SMALLER COUNTIES TO BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE THE SYSTEM THAT THEY'VE GOT TODAY BECAUSE OF THEIR, THEIR SIZE AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE A MEMBER OF, OF OUR, OUR DISTRICT, THEY BRING A LOT OF MONEY TO THE TABLE.

DALLAS COUNTY HAS THEIR OWN YEAH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UH, AHEAD OF 87 AND TARRAN COUNTY, TARRANT COUNTY,

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MOST TWO, THE BIG COUNTY, WELL, EXCUSE ME, DENTON AND TARRANT COUNTY DO HAVE THEIR OWN.

SO THEY GOT ESTABLISHED.

DALLAS HAD A LOT OF HOME RURAL CITIES THAT WERE LARGER THAN 50,000 THAT HAD THAT HAVE THEIR OWN.

TODAY WE ACTUALLY SERVE FOUR SMALLER, UH, CITIES IN DALLAS THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.

MIKE, AT ONE TIME THERE HAD BEEN A DISCUSSION AT COG ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, COG OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL COG FORMING ITS OWN 9 1 1 DISTRICT.

UH, BECAUSE EVIDENTLY THE FOLKS DON'T RUN AUSTIN DID THAT LAST YEAR.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STILL BEING, UM, WE HAVE LEGISLATION OVER AT THE ALLEGED COUNCIL THAT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE, UM, OUR COUNTY'S CITIES TO VOTE FOR US TO COME A DISTRICT TO WHERE WE COULD GET ALL OF OUR DOLLARS BACK.

UH, THERE'S A LITTLE HESITANCY IN COLLIN COUNTY TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH JUST FORMING A DISTRICT AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF WATER DISTRICTS AND MINISTRY DISTRICT THAT INFLUENCES THEIR DECISION ON DO WE WANT ANOTHER DISTRICT TO BE CREATED.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE ARE A DISTRICT TODAY, SO WE WOULDN'T BE CREATING ANOTHER DISTRICT.

WHAT WOULD BE DOING IS BRINGING ALL OF OUR DOLLARS BACK HOME AND RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER BODY TO GET APPROPRIATION AND LIVE WITH THEIR POLICY, WE WOULD CREATE A BOARD THAT WOULD HAVE ALL THE COUNTIES, UM, ON THE BOARD TO HELP MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR HOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE FENCE.

SO, UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO ONE, SEE IF HOW THE LEGISLATION COMES OUT, BUT FOR ME IT IS A, IT WOULD BE A PERFECT WAY TO KEEP A GOOD AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN THE SYSTEM, BUT UNDER LOCAL CONTROL AND DIRECTED.

YOU GET THE ATE HOW YOU WANNA USE IT.

THAT'D BE THE BEST SCENARIO LOT.

SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT FUNDING TURNS.

SO THESE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE COMING OUT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN GOING RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? NO, I THINK AS A GROUP MAKING THEIR OWN DISTRICT AND BRINGING THE MONEY SPRAY HERE INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE, WE ARE, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD, UH, WHAT I WAS SAYING, IN ORDER FOR THAT DISTRICT TO BE CREATED, EACH COUNTY AND EACH CITY WITHIN THAT COUNTY THAT WE'RE NOW SERVING WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO CREATE DISTRICT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IN COUNTY, THE OTHER PIECE WOULD'VE TO VOTE ON IT.

ANY OF YOUR VOTE.

THE LEGISLATION JUST, YEAH, ALL THE LEGISLATION I HAVE SEEN, UH, HAS BEEN THE SITUATION.

I ALLOW YOUR TO BE DESIGNED, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A PIECE OF LEGISLATION OUT THAT SAYS A COUNTY WITHOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF THEIR CITIES CAN BECOME A DISTRICT AND THEN JUST TELL THEIR CITIES, THIS IS HOW IT IS.

MOST OF THE LEGISLATION I'VE SEEN SINCE YOU'VE GOTTA GET EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE AND, AND, UH, WITH, WITH APPROVAL TO THAT THIS LEGISLATION, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID IN AUSTIN OR WITH THE .

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE COURT, YEAH, I THINK THAT KIND OF, OKAY, IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING, IS THIS DISTRICT HERE, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE OUR CITY SIGN ON BOARD? I WOULD, YEAH.

I WELL, YOU CAN'T DO IT UNLESS, I MEAN THAT'S JUST WHAT IT, ALRIGHT.

ANYBODY UH, HAVE A QUESTION OF A AUDIENCE THAT THEY'RE UNCLEAR ON? TATOR SHOULD, ALRIGHT.

WE'LL TAKE ABOUT UP.

JIMMY, YOU WANNA IN? YEAH.

ON THE DISBURSEMENT OF THOSE FUNDS FROM THE NINE ONE THERE, THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE ABOUT USING THAT MONEY FOR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS FOR COMMUNICATION.

I DID, I DID READ THAT.

THERE IS, AND THEY DO APPROPRIATE SOME DOLLARS, YEAH.

OUT OF THAT FOR THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE A BIG IMPACT ON US.

WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEER AND RADIOS AND WE COULD FUND SOME OF THAT FROM THE 9 1 1.

I KNOW THERE IS LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT.

IT'S A, THAT'S ALSO FUNDED THROUGH ITS, UH, STATE FOREST SERVICE.

THEY, THEY GET THAT FUNDS, THEY DISSED, WE DISPERSE FUNDS.

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WE DON'T GET THAT.

THEY, AND THEY, AND THEY DO THAT QUITE A BIT RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN IF YOU TALK TO ALL THE LOCAL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THEY GET TONS OF MONEY FROM THEM.

IT IS, IT IS ALLOWED JUST ONE MORE REVENUE SOURCE THAT WE COULD USE TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS TO DEALING WITH THE 700 SYSTEM.

JUST ONE MORE ADVANTAGE.

IT WOULD BE IF WE HAD A REASONABLE DISTRICT.

THOSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS SCATTERED THROUGH.

THOSE, THOSE COUNTIES THAT, THAT, THAT WE SERVED.

THERE WAS A HUGE AMOUNT, I'LL JUST PUT IT THIS WAY.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE FUNDS ARE EVER GONNA GET YOU TO THE POINT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING FOR YOUR RADIO SYSTEM OUT OF YOUR OWN LOCAL TAXES.

IT'S, WE KNOW IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE.

IT'S JUST AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.

VERY, VERY MUCH SO.

BUT YEAH, THEY, THEY DO TAX AND THE FUNDS, IT DOES GO TO THE TEXAS FOREIGN SERVICE AND THEN THEY APPORTION THOSE OUT TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY.

THEY THAT, DOES THAT GO TO VSDS OR STRAIGHT TO THE NO, THAT GOES TO THE, TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE APPLY FOR 'EM.

IF YOU, YOU LOOK LIKE WE DO A BUNCH OF, UH, TRAINING AT TEXAS A M YOU GET ALL THE VOUCHERS FOR ALL THEM.

YOU DO GRANTS FOR TRUCKS.

I KNOW TONS OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN OUR COUNTY THAT'S, THAT'S GOT GRANTS FOR THE FOREST SERVICE OR TRUCK AND, AND THEY'VE DONE SOME COMMUNICATION.

SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE GETTING A LOT OUT OF TEXAS FOREST SERVICE AND WE'RE ALWAYS CONTINUING DOING THE GRANT.

YEAH, I WONDER BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN IT ON SDS FINANCIAL STATEMENT.

NO, THAT, THAT GOES THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

FIRE DEPARTMENT.

IT DON'T GO THROUGH THE SD AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ENGINES.

THEY CERTAINLY DO A LOT OF BRUSH TRUCKS.

TONS, TONS OF BRUSH TRUCKS AND WATER TANK.

YEAH, SOME TENDERERS TANKERS.

WE'LL TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

WE'LL COME BACK.

WRAP UP MY BEING.

UH, KIND I JUST PUT ON THERE JUST KIND OF AS A UPDATE OFFICER.

THERE'S NO, UH, WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION ON ANY OF THESE, UH, ITEMS TODAY, BUT AS EVERYBODY'S AWARE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, PRETTY HARD OR SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WORKED VERY HARD OVER THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS AND DAYS, UH, UH, DISCUSSING WITH VARIOUS ENTITIES ACROSS THE COUNTY, UH, ABOUT THEIR UH, PARTICIPATING WITH US ON THE, UH, REGIONAL 9 1 1 CENTER.

AND I KNOW I HAVE RECEIVED, UH, SOME, UH, CALLS, UH, ACTUALLY A LOT OF CALLS AND I RECEIVED ALSO SOME, UH, EMAILS AND I'VE GOT PROMISES OF, UH, LETTERS THAT WILL BE COMING IN PRIOR TO MONDAY, UH, ABOUT THEIR INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING IN OUR 9 1 1 CENTER AS FAR AS, UH, UH, HAVING A, HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH IT.

UH, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION AND JOHN, I MAY ASK YOU TO JUMP IN HERE AND OKAY.

UH, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION, UH, THAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, WE, UH, WELL, LEMME JUST SAY THIS.

THERE, THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE INDICATED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A FINANCING METHOD IN THE ORIGINAL RFP THAT WENT OUT AND THAT WAS RECEIVED BACK IN.

BUT AS PART OF THE RFP THAT WAS, UH, DEVELOPED BY JACK AND HIS CREW IN THE COMMITTEE THAT WE HAD, WE ASKED THEM TO PUT IN THERE A METHOD OF FINANCING, UH, TO GIVE US A BID ON WHAT THEY WOULD FINANCE THE PACKAGE FOR.

AND THAT WAS DONE.

AND I BELIEVE EVERY ONE OF THE PACKAGES THAT WE GOT BACK, JACK DID HAVE A, UH, METHOD OF FINANCING IN.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I BELIEVE HARRISON WAS, UH, I THINK 10 YEARS AT 3.49%.

BUT, UH, I BELIEVE YOU HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE WAS INVOLVED.

I I KNOW THAT I ASKED YOU TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, UH, ALL THE BIDDERS KNOW THAT IF WE COULD FIND A CHEAPER ROUTE, UH, CHEAPER MONEY, I GUESS IS A BETTER WAY TO DO IT, THAT WE WOULD, UH, SECURE OUR OWN FINANCING.

AND EVERY ONE OF THEM WERE AGREEABLE WITH THAT.

THAT THAT'S RIGHT.

THEY, THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE SELLING OF THE EQUIPMENT.

SO JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, THERE WAS A METHOD OF FINANCING THAT CAME BACK, UH, FROM HARRIS COMMUNICATIONS.

UH, IT WAS IN THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER, SIR.

AND FOR, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT MATTER THAT, OR TO CLARIFY THAT MATTER, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION AND UH, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, MISCOMMUNICATION OR MAYBE SOME MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT.

HAVE I SAID ANYTHING THAT'S NOT CORRECT? UH, NO.

THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAD, THEY PROVIDED A, UH, EVERYBODY PROVIDED A FINANCE PACKAGE WITH THE PROPOSAL.

AND DURING THE BEST FILE OFFER, UH, PROCESS WERE REDUCED.

THEY MAY REDUCE THE RATES SLIGHTLY, BUT THEY HAD A PACKAGE FOR US TO FINANCE THIS PRODUCT FOR 10 YEARS.

THAT RATE AND WHAT HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC, WHEN WE OPENED THOSE

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BIDS UP, UH, LAST WEEK OR WHENEVER IT WAS, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC IS, IS AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK OF, UH, TEXAS, UH, HAS, UH, PRESENTED AN INTEREST RATE OF, UH, 2.05%.

AND THOSE BONDS WILL BE CALLABLE, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN BE PAID OFF EARLY.

SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, AT ANY TIME AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, AFTER THE, AFTER THE, UH, 2016 YEAR.

UH, SO THAT BY DOING THAT, IT SAVED US APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH, ABOUT $90,000 A YEAR AS COMPARED TO WHAT THE LOW VENDOR WAS, UH, GIVING.

THEY DON'T MAKE THEIR MONEY.

WELL, THEY PROBABLY DO MAKE SOME MONEY, BUT THEY'RE MORE INTO SELLING EQUIPMENT THAN DOING FINANCING.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WE ASK, UH, FOR THAT.

UH, THE OTHER, UH, ISSUE I WANT TO TRY TO CLEAR UP, AND JOHN, THIS MAY BE WHERE I HAVE TO HAVE YOUR HELP.

UH, WE HAVE VIOLATED NO LAWS.

UH, WE HAVE NOT ENTERED INTO AN INTERVAL OF AGREEMENT WITH ANYBODY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UH, AND THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT HOW THAT ACTUALLY WILL WORK.

UH, ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT.

UH, FIRST GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING.

UH, THE BUILDING WAS A GIFT TO US BY THE, UH, ADJECTIVE GENERAL BY THE TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD.

IT WAS GIVEN TO KAUFMAN COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY ORIGINALLY GAVE THE LAND TO THE GUARD BACK IN THE FIFTIES WHEN THEY BUILT A BUNCH OF PIECES OF, UH, NATIONAL GUARD ARMORIES.

THERE WERE ABOUT 17, I BELIEVE THAT THE STATE GAVE BACK TO THE VARIOUS ENTITIES AROUND THE COUNTY.

SO THAT WAS A GIFT TO KAUFMAN COUNTY.

BUT IT WAS A GIFT TO ALL OF US AS WELL.

WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE COUNTY, WE'RE IN A COUNTY BUILDING, BUT WE ALL MAKE UP KAUFMAN COUNTY, THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN BUILDING.

UH, THE SECOND THING, THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE SPENT TO REMODEL THE INTERIOR OF THAT FACILITY, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN IT, UH, YOU WILL SEE THAT, UH, CAME FROM THE SAVINGS WE HAD WHENEVER WE, UH, REFINANCED SOME BONDS, UH, BACK IN 2012.

WE COULDN'T DO IT IN 2011 BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE RED AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO EVEN GET ANYBODY TO TALK TO US.

ABOUT, UH, FINDING REFINANCING BONDS.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES, KAREN.

SO WE WENT, WE DID TURN AROUND AND THIS WAS EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER AS A GROUP, AS A COURT.

AND ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS JOINED TOGETHER AND HELPED US, UH, GET OUTTA RED.

WE WENT FROM 1.6 MILLION IN THE RED, UH, TO ABOUT 1.1, 1.2 MILLION IN THE BLACK.

AND WE'VE REMAINED THERE EVER SINCE.

SO THE MONEY THAT WAS SAVED BY REFINANCING THOSE BONDS, WAS USED BY A BOAT, WAS VOTED ON BY THE COURT AT THAT TIME, WAS USED TO RENOVATE AND, UH, THE EXISTING, THE INTERIOR OF THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING, UH, THAT IS WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED.

BUT, BUT THE, THE OLD ARMORY BUILDING.

UH, SO WE HAVE NOT ASKED THE CITIES FOR ANY PARTICIPATION OR WE'VE NOT, WE WE'RE ASKING THEM FOR PARTICIPATION, BUT WE'VE NOT SPENT ONE CITY PENNY THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT? UH, KAREN, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY CITY MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT? NO.

SO THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING AROUND TO SAY, WE'VE ALREADY VIOLATED THE LAW BECAUSE CITY MONEY, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEMBER LOCAL AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT THE CDS TO PARTICIPATE AND, UH, WE OR ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING THEM TO DO THAT.

UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MANY OF THEM WILL BE HERE MONDAY OR THEY WILL SEND A LETTER OF INTENT.

UH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU INDICATED YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, RATHER SEE A CONTRACT.

WELL, I SAID YOU I THINK YOU SAID A LETTER OF IT TOO.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.

I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, I SAID I'D RATHER SEE A CONTRACT, BUT AT LEAST A LETTER THAN 10 WILL BE OKAY.

BETTER THAN THAT.

UH, SO THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW, EVEN AS, UH, EVEN AS WE SPEAK, UH, HOW MANY OF THOSE WE, UH, RECEIVE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I KNOW THAT I HOPEFULLY WILL RECEIVE ALL OF THEM.

UH, THE PROBLEM IS, UH, THAT SOME OF THE CITIES DON'T HAVE A MEETING.

AND SO, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME WE MEET MONDAY, UH, BUT, UH, WE'RE GETTING LETTERS OF, UH, OF INTEREST AND, UH, WELL LETTERS OF, UH, OF, UH, SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO JOIN.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS OUR INTENT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.

AND JOHN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE, UH, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

IF THERE, UH, WE'LL BE, WHEREVER WE CALL IT, UH, AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

IT, IT IS NOT LIKE BUILDING A ROAD.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE

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A PROJECT AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING, BUT I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT.

SO IF YOU KIND OF HAVE CLEARED THAT UP, IF YOU CAN.

UM, NO, I WAS GONNA ADDRESS ANOTHER FAN SET.

OF OF THE, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD? YEAH.

AND I JUST WANTED, I JUST KIND OF WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE, HAVE GREAT INTEREST IN THIS AND THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON ACROSS THE COUNTY AND UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE BEST WAY AND, UH, TO GO ABOUT IT.

AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, IF I MADE A MISTAKE, I'M SORRY, IT WAS WITH, UH, WELL INTENT JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO START, UH, GETTING THIS PROJECT MOVED FORWARD.

WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THE BUILDING AND I JUST HATE FOR IT TO, UH, SIT THERE.

PLUS WE'RE COMMITTED TO, UH, SEVERAL, UH, OR TWO OR $300,000 WITH THE EXISTING VENDOR, UH, THAT WE'VE, UH, SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH.

UH, JOHN, I'LL LET YOU TAKE OVER.

I HAD, UH, A LENGTH OF CONVERSATION WITH JIM ALLISON THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

NOW ALL, THERE'S A LOT WE DIDN'T DISCUSS, BUT THE, THE PERTINENT THINGS I THINK WERE TO ADDRESS, UH, SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BY, UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS AND PROBABLY ALSO COMMISSIONER ALLEN BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PRESENT OR THEY WERE NOT PRESENT AS, UM, COMMISSIONERS AT THE COMMITTEE IN VOTE WAS TAKEN.

AND, AND NOW THE COMMISSIONER STEVEN, THIS PASS VOTE.

AND, UM, THE SEVERAL THINGS THAT I TOLD, UM, JIM ALLISON, BECAUSE I WANT HIM TO BE AS CLEAR AND HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE, IS THAT A VOTE WAS TAKEN, THE COURT HAS CHANGED THE COMPOSITION, THE COURT HAS CHANGED, UM, AS A CONTRACT PERHAPS WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED TODAY OR MAYBE WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED WITH THE SAME TERMS TODAY, BUT UP THE, THAT HAS MADE THOSE.

ONE THING THAT WAS GONNA KIND OF 0.1, 0.2 WAS AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS UP FOR CONSIDERATION, THERE WASN'T A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR IT.

AND, AND HIS OBSERVATION, WHICH I AGREE WITH AND IS A CONCERN OF THE AUDITOR'S WELL, IS THAT UNTIL THE BUDGET IS AMENDED, SHE CAN'T LAWFULLY PLAY, PAY ANY CLAIM RELATED TO THIS.

SO IF, IF THE COURT VOTES AT SOME POINT, UH, THIS NEXT WEEK OR AFTERWARDS TO, TO FUND THIS CONTRACT AND HOWEVER IT DECIDES TO FUND THE CONTRACT, UM, IT, IT WILL NEED TO, AS PART OF THAT MOTION, AMEND THE BUDGET TO REFLECT THAT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL, WHATEVER IT IS, IS THAT 3.6, 3.7 MILLION OF OUR OBLIGATION, THAT HOWEVER, IT'S GOING TO BE SPREAD OUT.

SO, UH, THERE IS THAT, AND UNTIL THE BUDGET'S AMENDED, THEN SHE CAN'T PAY IT.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TOO.

SO WHAT'S THE BEST PRICE OR, OR THE BEST THAT THAT'S A DECISION FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE? AND I CAN'T DO THAT, BUT, BUT THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD ASKED COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, WAS, UH, CAN WE GO BACK AND, AND RE VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT'S VOTED ON BEFORE? THE SHORT ANSWER TO THAT IS YOU CAN REVIEW IT, YOU CAN, UH, VOTE ON IT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE OF A DESIRE TO, TO VOTE ON IT.

AND THEN THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE GUIDED BY, UH, IS THERE ANY REPERCUSSION TO, UH, NEGATING THAT IS, IS THERE ANY CONSEQUENCE TO IT? AND THAT, AS IT TURNS OUT FROM WHEN IT WAS, UH, CITED TO THIS DATE, UH, THERE HAD BEEN, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CAUSE THAT HAD BEEN INCURRED BY THE VENDOR.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, FROM I THINK, UH, THE JUDGE OR FROM BRUCE, THAT THERE WAS PART OF THE CONTRACT, THEY WERE GOING WORK MAY, MAY, MAY, HARRIS, AND SO THERE ARE COSTS CONNECTED WITH THIS FOR WHICH THEY WOULD SEEK RECOVERY.

I IMAGINE, UH, IF, IF WE DID NOT, UM, HONOR THE TERMS OF THAT CONTRACT, SO THERE IS, UH, A LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND, AND THEN WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT? I DUNNO THAT IT'S A DECISION FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE OF FUNDING IT, BUT IT IT IS, IT IS NOT.

AND, AND, UH, GENERALS, IT'S NOT A PROPOSITION TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND START ALL OVER YOU.

YOU COULD DECIDE TO DO THAT, MOST LIKELY WOULD SEE SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE REQUIRING THIS PERFORMANCE CONTRACT.

THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A VERY GOOD CLIENT.

BUT YOU, JIM ALLISON ALSO TALKED TO ME, UH, ASKING SAME THING.

AND, AND HE SAID THAT, UH, TO ME THAT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD TRY TO SEND THAT.

IT'S PROBABLY A LOT LOGICAL THAT THEY COULD

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COLLECT BECAUSE OF CERTAIN THINGS.

I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE STATUTES THAT TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF THEM.

HE SAID THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.

YOU CAN TRY THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S POSSIBLE.

UH, AND AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE BOTH.

I'M, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

TWO OF US WEREN PART OF IT.

AND TWO OF US WEREN'T PART OF IT.

WE WISH THAT THEY WOULD'VE DONE THEIR FUNDING OR WHATEVER THEY DID.

WE, WE SAID DONE IT LAST YEAR.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S AN ISSUE NOW THAT WE PUT ON THE ADDEND, UM, TO MAKE A TAX.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA ISSUE FUNDS AND CREATE A TAX.

UH, I KNOW IT'S NOT MUCH.

THE NEW AGENDA OF POSTING DOES NOT HAVE THAT IN THERE.

DO WHAT THE NEW AGENDA POSTING MONDAY, TOM HOLLAND CHANGED THE LANGUAGE UP ON THAT.

HE GOT WITH THE AGS OFFICE AND SOLD WE THE NEW AGENDA OF POSTING, IF YOU LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY, DOES NOT HAVE THAT IN THERE.

WELL, AND AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT GOT ME IN INTERESTED IN IT REALLY QUICK, IS TO SAY THAT, OKAY, I'M A NEW COMMISSIONER AND THE FIRST THING YOU WANT ME TO DO IS VOTE IN A NEW TAX.

I'M NOT VOTING IN A NEW TAX.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANT.

I WANT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MY OWN SON'S POLICE ON, I WANT THEM TO HAVE THE BEST THINGS MONEY CAN BUY.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THIS.

YOU KNOW, THAT I'M, I'M THE MOST PRO POLICE PERSON THERE IS, UH, BUT I WANT TO DO IT AT EXPENSE OF CREATING NEW TAX.

WE NEED TO BUDGET OUR MONEY AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, AND IF THE JAIL, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE CONTRACTS, WE ONLY SAVE A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MONEY GO BACK INTO THE JAIL.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MONEY GO BACK INTO THE POLICE OFFICERS AND MAYBE EXTEND THEIR RAISES AND FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT OUR PATROL OFFICERS CAN MAKE MORE MONEY AND WE CAN HANG ON TO 'EM LONGER AND NOT HAVE THIS BIG COST OF TURNOVER ALL THE CONSTANT TIME.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST BEATING OURSELF AGAINST THE WALL.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

THE MORE TURNOVER WE HAVE, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND, AND LET ME SAY THIS, THAT IT'S, IT'S GOOD IF THAT IS TAKEN OUT OF THE VIRGINIA POSTING, BUT THE BUDGET WILL STILL NEED TO BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THAT THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL COST.

AND THAT MAY CAUSE THE BUDGET TO GO FROM POSITIVE TO NEGATIVE.

UM, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, AND AS, AS I TOLD YEAH, COMMISSIONER ZA, I SAID THE REAL QUESTION IF I WAS YOU OR IF I WAS COMMISSIONER ALLENS, HEY, WHY WASN'T THIS BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE BUDGET HERE? RIGHT.

NOT SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE A HARD DECISION NOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND THE DONE IT'S RIGHT.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE THE, IT PROBABLY CAME UP BEFORE DECEMBER, RIGHT? IT, AND THE REASON IT WAS NOT, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD A CAPTAIN MURDER TRIAL GOING ON, AND, UH, MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THAT CAPTAIN MURDER TRIAL WITH THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WERE WORKING ON THIS, THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE.

THAT'S JUST THE FACTS.

AND I WISH IT HAD BEEN, I WISH IT HAD OCCURRED EARLIER.

I'M SORRY THAT WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS FACT THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

SO IT'S BEEN NO SECRET THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING THIS, BUT IT GOT WAY LATE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT OUR, UH, ARMY WAS TURNED INTO A COMMAND POST, YOU KNOW, DURING THE INVESTIGATION.

AND IT SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT.

I'M NOT MAKING ANY EXCUSE ABOUT THAT, BUT, UH, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

AND, UH, MONDAY WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SEE IF WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT.

AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES BOTH WAYS IF WE DO DO IT, UH, OR WE DON'T DO IT.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER THE CONSEQUENCES ARE.

I DIDN'T, IT IS NEVER BEEN MY INTENTION TO THIS TURN INTO A CONTROVERSIAL THING, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY STORIES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH FACEBOOK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF NOW, AND PEOPLE JUST SAY HORRIBLE THINGS ON THAT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MOST, SOME OF, SOME OF THE TIME, NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT MOST, SOME OF THE TIME THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE NO VALIDITY TO IT WHATSOEVER.

BUT, UH, MY FEELING THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN, WE'VE GOT AN ANTIQUATED SYSTEM.

IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, WHATEVER.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEM.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY AROUND THIS TABLE WILL AGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, ANY OTHER WAY TO DO THAT, BUT TO DO THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY CHEAPER, I DON'T THINK MIGHT, BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT IS.

SO I WILL, RONNIE,

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THIS IS, UH, I, I'LL LET YOU TALK, BUT WE'RE FIXING IT OUT HERE.

YOU, YOU'RE GIVING IT A GREAT HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.

AND WALK ME THROUGH THE DECISIONS TO SPEND THE FIRST MILLION, 4,000,005 ON THE ARMORY BUILDING VERSUS THE FIRST DOLLARS BEING SPENT ON THE MOST PRESSING EQUIPMENT NEEDS SINCE SO MANY OF US WEREN'T HERE THEN.

I ACTUALLY THOUGHT, AND I HAD JUST DONE THAT, THAT, BUT LET ME REPEAT.

UH, WE WERE GIVEN THE ARMORY BUILDING AS A FREE GIFT BY THE ADJUVANT GENERAL'S OFFICE OF THE TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD.

THAT OCCURRED SOMETIME IN 2011, ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF 2011.

MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS BUILDING? AND THE SHERIFF CAME FORWARD AND LEFT WITH ME PRIVATELY AND SAID, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT FARMING A REGIONAL 9 1 1 CENTER THAT WOULD HANDLE ALL OF THE 9 1 1 CALLS WITHIN OUR COUNTY AND POSSIBLY OTHER COUNTIES, OTHER INSTITUTIONS.

SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT THAT.

WE HIRED A COMPANY CALLED MISSION CRITICAL, UH, WHO ARE CONSULTS FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE ARMORY AND TO HELP US LOOK AT SOME OF THE, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE.

AND THEY GAVE US A BIG FIT, UH, BINDER OF INFORMATION, WHICH WE UTILIZED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

THE COUNTY WAS IN THE FINANCIAL SHAPE THAT WE COULD REFINANCE SOME BONDS, AND WE CHOSE TO USE THAT MONEY.

THE COURT AT THAT TIME, UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE COURT NOW AT THAT, UH, WAS ON THERE OTHER THAN ME.

THE COURT AT THAT TIME CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIRING AN ARCHITECT AND, UH, DESIGNING THE INTERIOR OF THAT BUILDING.

AND SO THAT IS WHEN, THAT'S WHEN THAT STARTED.

NOW, HOW IT DID NOT GET STARTED UNTIL THIS YEAR, 14, I THINK MARCH OF 14, THE PLANS WERE STARTED.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.

AND THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A FACT.

IT, I WISHED IT HAD BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO, BUT IT WAS NOT.

TIM, CAN I ADD TO THAT? SINCE 20 12, 20 13, WE'VE BEEN A MAN THAT YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THE NARROW BAND, RIGHT.

THE COUNTY SPENT SOME MONEY.

WE HAD BUY ABOUT $80,000 WORTH OF VHF REPEATERS.

WE, THAT'S WHEN WE GOT INTO THE NEW TOWER SITE AND BEEN USING IT EVER SINCE.

UM, THEN AS WE WERE TRYING TO BETTER OUR FOCUS ON HOW WE'RE GONNA BETTER THE SYSTEM, OKAY, CHIEF AND I BOTH DISCUSSED IT WELL BEFORE, UH, THAT EVEN GOT APPROVED.

WHEN THAT STARTED KIND OF ROLLING, WE SAID, WHY ARE WE GOING TO PAY TO HAVE A RADIO SYSTEM INSTALLED AT THE OLD, OLD PLACE AND THEN HAVE TO REPAY TO MOVE IT? SO WE KIND OF PUT THAT ON HOLD.

WE KIND OF BACKED OFF THE RADIO DEAL WAITING ON THIS PROJECT WITH THE REGIONAL CENTER, BECAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER PLAN RUNNING, LIKE YOU SAID.

SO THIS IS NOT NEW THAT WE JUST POPPED UP THE RADIO.

SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS RADIO SYSTEM.

MR. ER CAN VOUCH CHAD, HE HAD TO DEAL WITH IT.

SO I, I DON'T WANT Y'ALL THINKING WE JUST POPPED UP ANOTHER PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, OUR GUYS, I'M DOWN TO TWO CONSOLES IN THE DISPATCH CENTER, TWO OUT HOW MANY? TWO OUT OF FOUR.

SO WHEN THOSE STU GO DOWN, THAT CAN HAPPEN.

THE MORE I HAD TO PUT, I PUT MOBILE RADIOS THAT GOING POLICE CARS AROUND THERE.

SO WHEN IT DOES GO DOWN, WE'VE GOT A MEANS TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR GUYS.

OKAY? SO WE NEED THE SYSTEM, AND I HATE SEEING IT JAMMED UP.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY GOOD LONG TIME.

SO I'D LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER OUR SAFETY WITH OUR GUYS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXING.

YOU KNOW, MY IMPORTANCE IS MAKING SURE WE GOT MEANS TO TALK TO OUR GUYS IN THE EVENT WE HAVE EMERGENCIES.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO MOVE TO THE EAST TEXAS SITE WHEN WE WERE AT THE OLD TOWER.

THE GENERATOR WASN'T RIGHT THERE.

EVERY TIME ELECTRIC GO OFF, WE WOULD HAVE RADIO, YOU KNOW, SO WE FINALLY GOT MEANS TO GETTING INTO THAT TOWER.

UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT ISSUE ANY LONGER.

SO IT'S, DOES IT MAKE SENSE? IT'S NOT NEW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING BETTER FOR THE GUYS.

SO FINALLY, DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MOORE.

UH, I APPRECIATE HIS INPUT, BUT IT, IT STILL IS THE, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LONG-TERM PROJECT, BUT IT, IT'S, AND THEN, UM, THIS ISN'T SECOND GUESSING, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO BE METHODICAL AND THOUGHTFUL THROUGH THIS, THE WAY THE PRIOR COURTS HAVE BEEN, WHERE THEY DETERMINED THAT THE FIRST NEED WAS TO REMODEL A BUILDING THAT I, I, MY SPECULATION IS EVERYBODY AGREED, OKAY, OUR EQUIPMENT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR NOW, LET'S SPEND MONEY ON A BUILDING.

SO IF I'M JUST SEARCHING IN MY OWN HEART FOR THE WHAT HAS SUDDENLY MADE THE EQUIPMENT THE BIG EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I, EVERYBODY NEEDS IT, WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL WITH IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND

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THE MARGINAL COST OF HAVING TO MOVE THE EQUIPMENT LATER.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY'S ASKING THIS CURRENT COURT TO, UH, BUY INTO A DECISION TRAIN.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET COMFORTABLE.

ALL OF US ARE, YOU KNOW, I'M THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IS GOING TO BE, UH, UH, WELL THOUGHT OUT AND IT'S GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY EFFECTIVE AND LOW COST FOR THE COUNTY.

ONE THING YOU DID NOT MENTION, AND I THINK YOU ARE SECOND GUESSING, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I KNOW YOU DIDN'T INTEND TO, BUT IN MY OPINION, YOU DID.

THE ONE THING YOU'RE NOT, THAT YOU DID NOT MENTION, IT'S THE SAFETY OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS.

AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY, ALL Y'ALL ARE JUST MAKING THAT UP.

THAT'S AN EMOTIONAL PLEA.

THAT IS NOT AN EMOTIONAL PLEA.

THAT'S NOT, I CAN PROMISE YOU, YOU, IF YOU WANT ME TO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE CALL YOU, I CAN DO THAT.

IN FACT, UH, I'VE, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AROUND THIS COUNTY THAT ARE WATCHING US VERY CLEARLY AND THE DECISION, AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR DECISION.

AND WE'LL JUST SEE WHERE THAT GOES.

THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS.

IF WE VOTE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD AND LEAVE THE BUILDING EMPTY, EMPTY, I TOO, THAT'S GOOD TO THE STATE WHAT WE GOT, AND BUY SOME MORE HANDHELD UNITS AND MAYBE SPEND A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO, UH, BUY ANOTHER CONSOLE.

BUT THAT'S STILL NOT GOING TO GET US TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

STILL NOT GONNA GET US TO THE HIGH FREQUENCY THAT WE NEED.

JOHN, I I JUST WANTED TO, REBECCA REMINDED ME THAT WE DO DO HAVE INTERLOCAL FORMS FOR AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY.

UH, THEY'RE NOT SIGNED BY THE CITY.

I'M NOT REPRESENTING THAT, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE THE FORMS ALREADY AT OUR WITNESS.

THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDED BY THE SHERIFF.

I WANT ASK, UH, UH, I'M ALREADY ASKED ONE MEMBER TODAY, UH, THE, THE FIRST, UH, WHAT'S IT CALLED FIRST MAN? FIRST, FIRST, FIRST, NO, UH, THE NEW SYSTEM THAT'S COMING, THE GOVERNMENT PUT UP SYSTEM FIRST, MAN FIRST.

HOW IS THIS GOING? INTERACT WITH THAT.

HOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW IN FIVE MONTHS IT'S GONNA BE UP RUNNING AT BRADLEYS COUNTY AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL DOWNTIME, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE.

SO THAT INSTANTLY YOUR PHONE HAS, IT, IT, LIKE IN BOSTON, WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN IT BLEW UP AND NONE OF THEIR INFORMATION WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TOWERS.

EVERYTHING'S ALL INTERNET TOGETHER AND THEY CAN PULL IT UP AND THEY CAN SEE WHAT THE PRESS IS SHOWING THE BOMB GOING OFF.

OR IF THEY HAVE PEOPLE THERE WITH BODY CAMS, THEY'LL INSTANTLY SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT SITUATION.

SO THE RESPONDERS ARE COMING INTO IT, KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD STUFF.

I MEAN, IF THIS CAN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

NOW, I DO KNOW THAT, THAT THE FIRST, FIRST NET, THE FIRST NET IS WHEN IT COME, STARTS RUNNING IN FIVE MONTHS IN BRANDON, THIS COUNTY, IT'S NOT, NOT GOING TO HAVE THE RADIO ON, BUT THEIR EVER INTENTION IS TO PUT THE RADIO ON IN WORDS.

IT'S ALL GONNA BE IN ONE SYSTEM.

AND NOW THIS IS, THIS IS BIG BROTHER.

THE FEDS PUTTING THE MONEY INTO THIS AND START THE PROGRAM.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT COULD POSSIBLY COME TO TOP AGAIN.

IT MIGHT BE TWO YEARS.

I CAN ANSWER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FIRSTNET.

IT WAS ENVISIONED AS A BROADBAND NETWORK.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE TERM BROADBAND, THAT'S SPECIFIC TO COMPUTERS AND PHONES RIGHT NOW.

AND THEIR ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO HAVE A NATIONWIDE CELL PHONE SYSTEM THAT ONLY FIRST RESPONDERS AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL COULD ACCESS.

THAT'S WHAT STARTED, THEY'RE DOING IT NOW.

THEY'RE REALLY DOING IT.

AND, AND THEY SINCE REALIZED THAT WE CAN PUT COMPUTERS AND DO THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE MOVING.

NOW DOWN THE ROAD, THE RADIO SYSTEMS WHICH ARE BECOMING MORE, UH, COMPUTER ORIENTED, LET'S SAY, RIGHT.

WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MERGE INTO IT.

BUT FROM THE INFORMATION I'VE SEEN, WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY 10, 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE YOU CAN MERGE THE RADIOS INTO THAT SYSTEM.

FOR SOME REASON, THEY DON'T, EVERYBODY THAT WITH THAT FIRST NET ORGANIZATION DOWN THERE THIS WEEK, THEY DON'T THINK IT'S NEAR THAT LONG .

BUT IT MAY NOT BE.

I'M JUST ASKING IF WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK INTO IT TO SEE WHERE OUR ASSOCIATION GOING BE, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS REALLY, SO THE ONLY WAY WE COULD REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IS IF WE HAVE A TRULY IP BASED RADIO, RIGHT? OH NO, I'M JUST ASKING.

AS WE MIGRATE TO THE HARRIS SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THE OLD ANALOG WHERE IT'S JUST A SIGN WAVE, WE'RE PUTTING DATA NETWORK THE SAME WAY THEY'RE DOING IN RAZ SYSTEM, BECAUSE BRAS ALREADY DID THAT AND THEY

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ALREADY, THEY WERE RUNNING A SIMULCAST WITH IP PROTOCOL ON THE NETWORK.

THEY WERE ABLE TO MERGE FOR THAT.

IF WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT, WE COULDN'T EVEN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

YEAH, JAMIE, WELL, SEVERAL THINGS, BUT I CURRENTLY USE THAT SYSTEM ON MY TRUCKS NOW.

I HAVE FOR A COUPLE YEARS I'VE TRANSITIONED THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THE, THE EVOLUTION OF TECHNOLOGY AND THAT THAT'S THE SAME KIND OF SYSTEM I CURRENTLY USE.

BUT BEYOND THAT, I'M NOT PART OF FACEBOOK.

SO I DON'T GET INTO THE, UH, THE GOSSIP CIRCLE, WHAT GOES ON POLITICS.

BUT I, I WENT OUT AND DID MY OWN RESEARCH AND WENT TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, OTHER LEADERS, AND FIRST OFF, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE RIGHT MESSAGE GETS BROUGHT OUT.

WHAT I'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS TO ME IS, UH, JUST GOOD GOVERNMENT PERIOD.

IT'S NOT BICKERING, IT'S NOT ARGUING INTO A FORCE HERE.

AND IT'S NOT BICKERING AND IT'S NOT ARGUING.

IT'S JUST TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS.

AND I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD THE RIGHT QUESTIONS COME UP AND AFTER TALKING TO SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS, THEY, THEY AGREED WITH WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.

UH, I EVEN QUESTIONED THE WISDOM OF THE, UH, THE OLD GUARD ARMY AND THEY BUILT, THAT WAS A GOOD DECISION.

THEY FILLED THE 700 SYSTEM AS A PREMIUM SYSTEM AND GOING TO IT IS SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THEM WOULD LOVE TO BE IN, BE INVOLVED IN.

I MEAN, YOU, YOU MENTIONED OTHER COUNTIES AND, UH, OTHER CITIES AND, AND THEY ARE OUT THERE.

THEY TOLD ME THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF IT.

UH, I THINK TODAY WE'RE GONNA BE ON MONDAY IS GETTING THE PAPERWORK DONE, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS.

I SAID THAT WAS A GLAD WE CAN GET HERE MONDAY IN THE WINTER.

WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

I GOTTA CANCEL MEETINGS TOO.

BUT, BUT GETTING, GETTING THOSE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, EVERYBODY THAT I TALKED TO AGREED THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT.

AND UH, NOT JUST FOR NOW, BUT PRIMARILY FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE AS MORE CITIES JOIN INTO THE SYSTEM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALIZE THEY'VE GOTTA BE PAYING FOR SOME OF THIS OPERATIONAL COSTS.

NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, UH, WE JUST GOTTA GET SOME THINGS IN WRITING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THEY CAN GO BACK AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE DID AND THIS IS WHY YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO HELP PAY FOR IT.

AND I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANYTHING AT ALL WHAT YOU DID OR WHAT THE COUNTY DID OR THE DIRECTION COUNTY'S GOING WITH THIS SYSTEM.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I GET APPRAISED TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET, UH, GOOD RECOGNITION FOR THE WORK THEY'RE DOING.

'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

THIS IS, THIS IS TRULY JUST GOOD GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

IT'S NOT ARGUMENT, IT'S NOT BICKERING.

IT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AS LONG AS HAS THE SAME SET OF FACTS.

THAT'S WHY I WENT OUT TO GET MY OWN FACTS TO MAKE SURE.

I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.

WHAT ARE WE GETTING INTO? IS THIS A GOOD SYSTEM? IS IT, IF IT FUTURE, CAN WE ADD ONTO IT? CAN THE REST OF THE COMMUNITIES BE PART OF IT AND THEY CAN.

WE'VE GOT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, TERRIBLE AND PONY FOR EXAMPLE.

THEY, UH, GOOD EXAMPLES.

PO ESPECIALLY, UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT I USED.

UH, DUNCANVILLE SERIAL HILL.

THEY USE A REGIONAL DISPATCH CENTER.

JUST EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

WE WENT THERE AND STUDIED THAT.

SO IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IS, IS IT'S PROBABLY RUMOR AND NUL.

A LOT OF IT IS.

AND UH, THE FUNDING PART, WE'VE REALIZED WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TAXES EITHER.

I DON'T THINK THAT AVALARA TAX HAVE EVER BEEN USED.

I THINK THAT NOW WE'VE GOT FUNDS COMING IN, WE CAN WRITE A LANGUAGE TO USE THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY TO FUND THESE BONDS, WHICH THAT'S A GOOD DEAL.

I MEAN, IF I WAS OUT THERE WANTING TO BORROW $3.6 MILLION AT 2%, I'D JUMP ON IT, I'D BORROW IT NOW AND JUST REINVEST IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD DEAL.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, 2% ON, ON $3 MILLION, THREE AND A HALF MILLION GOOD MONEY, THAT'S GOOD FOR ANYBODY.

ALRIGHT, ONE MORE.

BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA FINISH UP, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IS, IS WHAT IS EXPECTED BY THE CITIZENS AND IT IS JUST THE GOVERNMENT.

WELL, NOBODY SAID A DEMOCRACY WAS PERFECT, YOU KNOW? NO, IT'S LIKE MAKING SAUSAGE.

EITHER YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES INTO IT, BUT YOU HOPE IT TASTES GOOD WHEN YOU GET TO COOKING.

RIGHT? BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S FAR AHEAD OF WHATEVER'S IN SECOND PLACE.

YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT.

CURTIS, UH, YOU RESIDENT THE CITY OF, UH, KAUFMAN AND I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF YOUR CLIENTS.

WELL, I DIDN'T PLAN ON SEEING ANYTHING JUDGE.

I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON TARGET AND TO ME, AND I, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR THE PAST DAY OR SO ON MY THOUGHT.

IT'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES.

THE ISSUE IS WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE

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TECHNOLOGY OF YOUR DISPATCHING SYSTEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE THAT YOU'RE REALLY FACING TODAY IF YOU DECIDE TO UPGRADE THIS TECHNOLOGY.

UH, IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR DECISION TODAY BECAUSE THAT'LL ALL BE DONE AT NO TAX INCREASE AT ALL.

JUST BE DONE FOR THE FUTURE.

MARCHING ON WHETHER WE CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR SOPHISTICATED DISPATCHING SYSTEM CAN BE THE LOCAL CHOICE.

AND SO KAUFMAN SAYS, NO, WE DON'T WANNA PARTICIPATE.

YOU'LL STILL HAVE YOUR EQUIPMENT, YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO PROVIDE COUNTYWIDE DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH WILL BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY.

IF WE SAY NO, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT YOUR AFFECT YOU AT ALL.

OF COURSE WE ARE GONNA SAY YES BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY.

HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE CITY LOT.

YOU'RE GONNA SAVE EVERY CITY A LOT OF MONEY.

THE ONLY CITY YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAVE MONEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING IT FOR FREE NOW.

AND I HOPE THE NEXT DECISION YOU MAKE AFTER YOU DECIDE TO FUND THE SYSTEM IS THAT IT'S NO MORE FREE RIDE ON DISPATCH SERVICES.

WE ALL PAY OUR WAY FOR DISPATCHING SERVICES.

I THINK THOSE ISSUES ARE VERY SEPARATE.

OKAY, ONE MORE COMMENT.

GET THE, UH, THE CITY THE SIZE OF KAUFMAN, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I HEARD THIS NUMBER YESTERDAY.

THEY BUDGET $500,000 IN A VERY CLOSE CITY JUST FOR THEIR 9 1 1 DISPATCH CENTER.

SO IT'S $500,000 THAT THEY BUDGET JUST TO DO THAT JOB.

SO A, A CITY THE SIZE OF TARRELL AND I'M TALKING ABOUT SEAVILLE, THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT SAME SIZE AS TARRA, BUT THEY, THEY SEAVILLE USES $500,000 IN THEIR BUDGET TO KEEP THAT SYSTEM GOING.

SO THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT SOME OF THESE CITIES PROBABLY ALREADY PUT OUT AND EXPAND THAT UH, THEY CAN CUT THAT COST JUST BY PIGGYBACKING WITH THE COUNTY SYSTEM.

THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS I HEARD.

I GOT ONE QUESTION YESTERDAY WHEN WE WAS IN THAT MEETING WITH TOM, UH, PAUL, DID HE SAY THAT THE E SDS ALSO COULD, UH, RUN MONEY TO THIS PROJECT? I BELIEVE HE DID.

IF THEY'VE GOT MONEY CO MOST OF THEM HAVE.

YEAH, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION THAT SOME OF THEM MIGHT HAVE BY THE PORTABLE RADIO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WELL, UNLESS THERE'S RAMP THAT MAY OUT THERE.

NO, I DIDN'T SEE CONTRACT.

I HAVE, WELL I THINK MOST OF OUR AGCS ARE ENOUGH TO, UH, WHATEVER THEIR TAXATION METAL IS.

WHAT WE NEED IS DO IS BUY THE MOBILE UNITS FOR THEIR TRUCKS, VEHICLES ALSO ONE EACH, UH, EACH VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE EACH ONE FOR EACH TRUCK.

AND THEN, BUT WE'VE NOT COMMITTED TO BUYING THEIR, UH, UNITS.

THAT MAY BE WHERE THE YEAH.

BUT UH, WE'RE UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE SOME GRANTS THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME FREQUENCY, UH, THOSE GRANTS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TOO.

I'M, UH, SORRY.

NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THIS FULL DISCUSSION TODAY AND UH, AND WHATEVER HAPPENS MONDAY WILL HAPPEN AND WE'RE GOING TO SURVIVE OVER IT.

UH, WE'VE GOT MUCH OTHER, MANY OTHER PROJECTS WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS ANOTHER EMERGENCY SERVICE AND THAT'S OUR AMBULANCE SERVICE THAT WE'VE GOTTA GET ON BOARD WITH AND TRY TO DO AN THING ON THAT.

AND, UH, WE'VE JUST GOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

I'M READY TO MOVE ON FROM THIS.

I WILL ACCEPT, I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT WHATEVER THE COURT DECIDES.

UH, BUT I JUST WANTED US TO HAVE EVERYBODY TO HAVE SOMEWHAT OF THE SAME INFORMATION AND ANYTHING, UH, THAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP SPREAD THAT AROUND, I THINK WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US.

AND JACK, GO AHEAD.

I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE THING WE CAN TALK ABOUT MAYBE THAT COST LATER ON IS GONNA GO UP.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA GO UP, BUT, BUT I WANT THE COURT TO REALIZE THAT, UH, THIS PACKAGE THAT HARRIS PUT TOGETHER, THEY MISSED SOME THINGS.

THEY MISSED THE SITES.

THEY, THEY DIDN'T GO OUT THERE.

THEY DID THEIR TESTING, BUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE A SITE VISIT.

THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THERE TRUCTURE OUT THERE, UH, FOR THIS EQUIPMENT, AIR CONDITIONING, HEATING, THAT SORT OF THING, PROTECTING THE, SO THEY HAD, SO THEY HAD COME BACK AND THEY WEREN'T PREPARED TO PAY THE EXTRA MONEY.

UH, THE COMMITTEE MORE OR LESS TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE DEAL, IF YOU DON'T DO IT FOR THE PRICE, YOU QUOTE, THIS ALL GOES AWAY.

YOU WANNA MAKE HARRIS A A SITE WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU DO, YOU KNOW, TO THE WORLD, THEN YOU BETTER GET IN THERE ON THE PRICE.

THEY CAME BACK AND INCLUDED ALL THIS STUFF, SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER IN ORIGINAL BID, THEY A PRICE.

SO, SO WE DON'T DO IT THIS TIME.

IT'S GOING TO GO UP.

AND THEY HAD, I BELIEVE THEY'VE GOT APPROVAL FOR THE SITE IN COMBINE AND IN, UH, ELMO, ELMO.

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HAVE BEEN KIND OF OUR TWO AREAS WHERE WE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

UH, AND BY THE WAY, THE 98% COVERAGE ON THIS IS NOT 98% OF THE MOBILE UNITS OR THE DISPATCH IS 98% OF THE HANDHELD MUNITION.

NO, 98 MOBILE MIGHT 97.

I WAS MISINFORMED ON THAT.

OKAY, ANOTHER, ANOTHER GOOD POINT.

JUDGE WOOD, I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

I KNOW Y'ALL TRYING TO GET OUT HERE, BUT, UH, WE WE'RE GONNA GET FINE IF WE DON'T GET THE LINES.

I KNOW Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU WENT THROUGH THE DEFICIT SAVINGS.

UH, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, UM, I HAD TO FINISH 2000 ELEVEN'S AUDIT AND GET THE UH, GENERAL LEDGER BALANCE TO THE TRIAL BALANCE.

UH, I WAS TALKED TO ABOUT GOING AND SEEING IF I COULD REFINANCE SOME BONDS.

I'VE BEEN IN FINANCE FOR 40 YEARS.

I HAD A LOT OF CONNECTIONS AND NETWORKING THAT I'VE DONE.

NOBODY WOULD FINANCE THIS COUNTY BECAUSE OF 1.6 MILLION DEFICITS.

I THINK THOSE DEPARTMENTS WORKED VERY GOOD TOGETHER AND GOT IT BACK UP.

NOT ONLY DID THEY COVER THAT DEFICIT, THEY COME BACK UP 1.4, 1.1, WHATEVER IT WAS, 16 AUDIT FINDINGS, TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

WE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO TWO FINDINGS AND IT'S BECAUSE OF GOOD DECISIONS THAT COMMISSIONER'S COURT BACKED US UP TO GET A PURCHASING POLICY, CREDIT CARD POLICY AND HELP THE AUDITOR GET THINGS THAT I NEEDED WITH THE SOFTWARE TO GET THINGS ACCOUNTED FOR.

DON'T FORGET THAT Y'ALL DONE SOME GOOD JOBS.

Y'ALL TURNED THINGS AROUND.

THAT'S THAT EXACT EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE IS THE REASON WE SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING IN WRITING SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH EVERY EXPENDITURE, EVERY OBLIGATION.

HOPEFULLY HARRIS WON'T COME BACK AND SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, WE'VE GOT THIS TOWER AND WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS EXTRA EQUIPMENT ON THERE.

IT WON'T GET, WON'T GET.

IT'S IN THE CONTRACT.

IT'S NOT THAT .

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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