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ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY FOR THE DELAY.

WE WILL, UH, BEGIN HERE JUST, UH, JUST IN A MOMENT AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

TODAY IS, UH, MONDAY, OCTOBER THE 12TH.

IT IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE, UH, KAMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

UH, WE HAVE A LARGE ATTENDANCE HERE THIS MORNING.

I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

UH, WE'LL COMMENCE WITH OUR REGULAR, UH, PROPOSAL HERE.

JUST A MOMENT.

UH, WE, UH, WE AS NORMAL, WE'LL OPEN OUR MEETING AND I DUNNO IF YOU CAN HEAR ME OR NOT.

WE'LL TRY TO SPEAK UP, UH, LOUD AS WE CAN SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE GROUP.

UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR INVOCATION AND, UH, I'LL ASK, UH, KEN LEONARD, WHO IS A MINISTER TO COMFORT MICROPHONE AND GIVE OUR INVITATION.

UH, WE'LL THEN HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO, UH, VOTE, THE AMERICAN FLAG AND TEXAS FLAG.

AND THEN WE WILL MOVE IMMEDIATELY INTO MARCH VISITORS, IF YOU ARE HERE TODAY.

AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

WE HAVE A SIGN SHEET, UH, THAT IS LOCATED BY THE, UH, SHERIFF'S, UH, OVER THERE.

AND HE'LL PRESENT THAT TO ME.

AND WE WILL GO DOWN THROUGH THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNED UP AND WHAT YOU, WHICH TO, UH, TALK ABOUT.

I WOULD ASK, UH, THAT IF YOU HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, THAT THAT IS THE ITEM THAT YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON , IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK OPEN FORTH WHERE YOU CAN, UH, UH, TALK ABOUT AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING, UH, NOT ONLY TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, OUR, OUR UNDERSTANDING OR, OR BRING IT TO OUR INFORMATION FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES.

CERTAINLY YOU CAN DO THAT.

UH, WHERE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF YOU WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO THE COURT, UH, ABOUT A SIMILAR ITEM.

UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THIS MORNING.

I WOULD ASK WHERE POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN COMBINE THOSE AND, UH, AND DO THAT AND HOPEFULLY KEEP IT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR, UH, UH, PEOPLE, MAYBE FIVE.

WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON ABOUT HOW WE, UH, MANAGE THAT, UH, SO THAT WE DO USE OUR VALUABLE TIME TOGETHER.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A DEMOCRACY.

IF YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY SEVERAL TIMES, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES.

AND CERTAINLY WE WISH, UH, TO HEAR THAT.

AND BEFORE, UH, MR. LEONARD GIVES OUR OATH PRAYER, UH, I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY, AND, UH, THIS IS A COURTROOM.

WE ARE IN SESSION AS A COURT, AND I WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE RESPECTFUL.

AND ALSO, UH, WE, UH, ASK YOU TO GET TO THE POINT AND, UH, AND, AND THEN, UH, LET US HEAR THE INFORMATION IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER.

IF THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, AND, UH, CERTAINLY NO, AND I DON'T, I CAN, I WOULD NOT IMAGINE THIS WOULD EVER OCCUR.

CERTAINLY, I HOPE IT DOES NOT HERE.

BUT IF SOMEONE USES FOUL LANGUAGE OR IF SOMEONE GOES ABOVE, UH, WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE RESPECTFUL, IN MY OPINION, SINCE I AM THE JUDGE OF THIS COURT, UH, I'LL ASK YOU TO STOP.

IF YOU DO NOT STOP, I WILL ASK THE SHERIFF, UH, TO ESCORT YOU OUT OF THE OF ME.

SO PLEASE, LET'S NOT EVEN GO THERE.

LET'S HEAR THE BUSINESS OF ME, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD AS WE, AS WE DO THAT.

SO IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME NOW IN STANDING AND WE'LL ASK.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT YOU LOVED US AND THAT YOU SENT OUR SON FOR YOUR SON FOR US.

AND FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR BLESSING US TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY, IN THIS STATE, IN, IN THIS COUNTY.

AND FATHER, WE SOMETIMES TAKE FOR GRANTED THE FREEDOM THAT WE ENJOY.

FATHER, PLEASE HELP FOR ALL OF US TO REMEMBER THAT, THAT WE ARE HEIRS TO THE GREAT EXPERIMENT THAT WE'RE BROTHERS AND SISTERS TOGETHER.

UH, THAT, AND THE ENEMY IS NOT EACH OTHER.

IT IS, IT IS PEOPLE WHO WOULD TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOM.

FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU, UH,

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GIVE US TEMPERANCE.

FATHER, GIVE US PATIENCE AND HELP US TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, ONCE WE LEAVE THIS CHAMBER, THAT WE'RE ALL NEIGHBORS AND FATHER WOULD HELP US TO CONDUCT OURSELVES THAT WAY.

FATHER, YOU GRANT PROMISED US THAT IF WE'D ASK FOR WISDOM, YOU'D GRANT IT TO US ABUNDANTLY.

AND FATHER, WE ARE ASKING FOR WISDOM AND WE'RE TRUSTING THAT YOU'LL GIVE IT TO US.

FATHER, PLEASE HELP FOR ALL OF US TO BE THE BEST SERVANT FOR YOU THAT WE CAN BE.

IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.

AMEN.

AMEN.

SEE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION OF THE INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

FOR ALL HONOR, HONOR THE TEXAS WAY, BUT ALLEGED ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNED UP THIS MORNING AND I'LL, UH, HERE IN, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, ELLE FULLER, UH, WHO IS HERE FROM THE COUNTY ROAD 3 46.

UH, MS. FULLER, IF YOU WOULD, UH, COME FORWARD AND YOU'LL BE SURE TO SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR.

CAN YOU HEAR US AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM? OKAY.

TURN IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

AND MS. AND ANGIE, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO TIME COURT NOT HAVE, SO YOU BE THE TIMEKEEPER, GIVE EVERYBODY A 15.

NOTICE THAT YOUR TIME IS APPROPRIATELY LIMITED FOR THE THREE MINUTES DONE BEFORE YOU SET THE TIME CLOCK.

UM, COULD I ASK THAT FOR A MATTER OF RECORD, MY NAME AND ON THE SEVEN, UH, 14TH OF SEPTEMBER WAS LISTED AS LYNETTE FULLER, AND I NEED FOR THAT TO BE CORRECTED AND THAT YOU CAN SURE.

AND GET MY NAME AS ELLE FORD.

WE'LL DO THAT.

AND IF THAT DOESN'T COUNT ON MY TIME, , I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M, I'M, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO ATTENTION.

SO YOUR TIME, YOU MAY BEGIN.

OKAY.

UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

I'M HERE AGAIN, UM, ONCE AGAIN TO ADDRESS A VERY HAZARDOUS ISSUE THAT WE HAVE ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46.

AND I PRAY THAT THE BOARD WOULD FILL MY MOUTH WITH YOUR 12 STUFF AND SHUT IT UP WHEN I'M SETTING UP.

UM, RIGHT NOW, I, I AM A PREVIOUS EDUCATOR AND FOR THE LAST 22 YEARS I'VE WORKED FOR A MAJOR UNIVERSITY IN THE, UM, REGISTRAR'S DEPARTMENT.

AS A TRANSCRIPT ANALYST.

I WORK WITH GRADES ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND IT'S CUSTOMARY WHEN A STUDENT HAS NOT FULFILLED THE REQUIREMENTS OF A CLASS, THEY'RE GIVEN AN INCOMPLETE.

AND THEN ONCE THEY HAVE NOT FULFILLED THAT THEY'RE GIVEN AN F RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT MR. SHANE'S TRANSCRIPT WOULD READ AN INCOMPLETE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO RECAP THE STEPS AND THE RESULTS OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE CONCERNING THE PROBLEM ON OUR ROAD AT THIS POINT.

UM, FIRST IT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR DESIRE TO AT LEAST HAVE A WATER TRUCK PUT ON THE ROAD TO, UM, AIM INCREASING THE DUST.

AND SO THEY HAVE BETTER VISIBILITY WHEN THE ROCK TRUCKS ARE ROLLING.

TRINITY AGREED TO PAY $3,500 A MONTH FOR THE EXPENSE OF A WATER TRUCK AND PROBABLY AN EMPLOYER TO, UM, RUN THE TRUCK.

COMMISSIONER SHANE AT SOME POINT DETERMINE THAT THIS WAS NOT ENOUGH TO COVER THE COST, AND ALSO THAT HE DID NOT HAVE A WATER TRUCK THAT WAS LARGE ENOUGH AVAILABLE TO HIM TO DO THE JOB, UM, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE TOO MANY TRIPS BACK AND FORTH TO OUR ROAD FROM TOWN FILLED WITH WATER.

SO IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WATER BE TAKEN FROM THE ROCK BOARD, IN WHICH HE SAID THAT HE DID NOT HAVE A DRIVER THAT WAS CERTIFIED TO ENTER THE MINE TO, UM, GET THE WATER TO PUT INTO THE TRUCK.

SO THE MANAGER OF TRINITY SUGGESTED THAT TRINITY COULD PUMP THE WATER VIA A PIPE TO THE ROAD SO THAT A TRUCK COULD EASILY BE FILLED.

SO, UM, TRINITY OVERCAME THIS FIRST OBJECTION TO THE WATER TRUCK ISSUE.

NEXT, THE COMMISSIONER VOICED A CONCERN THAT HE DIDN'T FEEL THAT $3,500

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WAS PROBABLY ADEQUATE TO COVER THOSE EXPENSES AND TO FACILITATE THE DROP THE JOB.

SO TRINITY OVERCAME THAT OBJECTION AND RAISED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO $5,000 A MONTH TO COVER THE COST OF THE WATER TRUCK AND SOMEBODY TO OPERATE IT.

IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING AFTER A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER SHANE THAT A WATER TRUCK HAD BEEN OBTAINED AND WAS IN EDGEWOOD BEING PAINTED.

YEAH, 15 SECONDS AT THIS POINT AFTER NEGOTIATIONS AGAIN.

AND STILL WE HAVE NOT SEEN A WATER TRUCK ON OUR ROAD.

IT WAS DECIDED BETWEEN TRINITY AND THE COMMISSIONER THAT TRINITY WOULD PROVIDE ALL MATERIALS NEEDED TO TRIP SEAL, OR SEAL COAT THE ROAD SO THAT, UM, SO THE TIME HAS EXPIRED.

OKAY, NEXT QUESTION ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS JAMES FULLER, WHO ALSO WISHES TO SPEAK ON COUNTY BILL 3 46.

I'D LIKE TO MY TIME TO THE .

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

YOU'RE GIVEN YOUR TIME.

YES, SOER, YOU MAY, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

UM, SO AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS AGREED THAT TRINITY WOULD PROVIDE THE MATERIALS TO CHIPS, CHIP COAT, OR SEAL COAT OUR ROAD, UM, THE WATER TRUCK OFFER WAS PUT ON HOLD, STILL THE DUST BILLOWS.

AND WE REMAIN HAVING AN ENORMOUSLY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT ON FRIDAY OF THIS PAST WEEK, THAT OUR COMMISSIONER CONTACTED A RESIDENT ON OUR ROAD WHOSE NAME I CANNOT GIVE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T REACH HIM FOR PERMISSION AND TOLD HIM THAT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WERE NOT GOING TO PROCEED FORWARD.

HE WOULD NOT ALLOW THE CHIP SEAL TO BE PLACED ON THE ROAD BECAUSE TRINITY DID NOT PAY FOR AN EMULSION THAT OUR COMMISSIONER FELT WAS NEEDED.

TRINITY WAS NOT IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS EMULSION WAS NECESSARY FOR THE SHORT TERM THAT THE UM, ROAD WOULD REMAIN A COUNTY ROAD.

IT IT IS ON THE DOCKET TO POSSIBLY BECOME A FARM TO MARKET ROAD IN THE FUTURE.

THE PECULIAR THING WITH THIS WHOLE FIASCO IS THAT IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE CONCERN TO OUR COMMISSIONER WHETHER THE ROAD WOULD HOLD UP TO THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WITHOUT THE EMULSION, AS TRINITY HAS AGREED TO BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR TO THE ROAD.

IT SEEMS THAT EVERY TERM THAT OUR COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN DOGGEDLY DETERMINED TO THWART ALL EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS AND SAFETY OF COUNTY ROAD 3 46.

WE ARE VOICING OUR CONCERN FOR 11 FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46 BETWEEN FM 27 28, AND THE ROCKPORT.

IN ADDITION TO THESE 11 FAMILIES, THERE ARE MANY OTHER FAMILIES AND ALSO A SCHOOL BUS IN THE VAN Z COUNTY THAT USED 3 46 DAILY TO GET TO, UM, FM 27 28.

THESE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN ARE ALSO AT RISK OF BEING IN A SERIOUS ACCIDENT DUE TO BLINDING DEATH PATH CLOUDS.

WE DO NOT SPEAK WITHOUT FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF MY HUSBAND AND I ARE HOME DURING THE DAY, DURING THE WEEK TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ROAD.

IT IS A PUZZLEMENT TO ME THAT 3 46 WEST OF 27 28 HAS BEEN BOTH ASPHALTED AND SEAL COATED, YET THE POPULATION ON THE SECTION WITH THE ASPHALT IS NOT MUCH MORE THAN THE 11 FAMILIES THAT RESIDE ON OUR ROAD.

THAT SECTION DOES NOT RECEIVED THE TRAFFIC OF THE 80,000 TON ROCK TRUCKS BY NOT DOING THE IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR ROAD.

WHO WINS? WILL IT BE THE SCHOOL BUS LOADED WITH CHILDREN THAT IS SMASHED AND TRAPPED BETWEEN TWO 80,000 POUND TRUCKS WHEN ALL THAT CAN BE SAID IS IF ONLY, YEAH.

15 SECONDS.

AND YOU'LL FIND THAT YOUR I GRADE THAT YOU HAVE EARNED HAS TURNED TO AN F.

DO YOU WANT THAT ON YOUR PERMANENT RECORD FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOUR LIFE? YOU SAY THAT THIS IS DRAMA AND IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

MAY I REMIND YOU THAT THESE, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

UH, ALSO WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, PERSON HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE SAME SUBJECT.

CHUCK SHEPHERD ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46.

YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE YOUR TIME TO, UH, PARDON PROPERTY.

I DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER HE OWNS PROPERTY ON 3 46 OR NOT, BUT I MEAN, OKAY.

FOR THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS, MR. SHANE IS JUST INFORMED ME THAT MR. SHEPHERD DOES NOT ON PROPERTY ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46, YOU MAY BEGIN.

OKAY.

YOU SAY THAT THIS IS A DRAMA AND IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

MAY I REMIND YOU THAT THESE SCENARIOS PLAY OUT ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY.

DAILY ROCK TRUCKS BEING ONE OF THE WORST, UH, UM, CAUSES OF SEVERE ACCIDENTS IN THE COUNTRY.

THEY PLAY OUT IN THICK FOG, WINDING SNOW, BLIZZARDS,

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SMOKE FROM GRASS, FIRES, TORRENTIAL DOWNPOURS IN A HURRICANE.

ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS HAVE LED TO HORRIFIC ACCIDENTS.

OF COURSE, THOSE CONDITIONS WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

DENSE DUST IS EQUALLY AS HAZARDOUS.

UM, IT SERIOUSLY IMPEDES VISIBILITY CAUSING MUCH THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT YOU WOULD FIND FROM.

BUT THO THOSE THINGS THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL, ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A WATER FOR A WATER TRUCK FOR SOMETHING IN THE MEANTIME BEFORE A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION COULD BE MADE FOR OUR PROBLEM.

AND TRINITY HAS AGREED TO PICK UP THE COSTS FOR THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM, OR THE NEXT PERSON THAT HAS SIGNED UP IN I APPRECIATE, UH, MRS. FULLER, UH, FOLKS THAT RELENTED THEIR TIME, UH, THAT WE KEPT IT TO THREE PEOPLE.

I THINK YOU GOT YOUR POINT ACROSS, AND I WOULD ASK THAT OTHERS CONSIDER THAT AS WE MOVE DOWN THIS, UH, FAIRLY LONG LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK.

UH, THE NEXT WOULD BE, UH, SHIRLEY, UH, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK CONCERNING THE MEMORIAL OR IF YOU WOULD COME TO THE MICROPHONE.

WELL, I, I, I THINK I CAN TALK LOUDER FROM HERE.

NO, MA'AM.

I ALLOW, WE'RE RECORDING THE MEETING AND IT HELPS THE, UH, CLERK'S OFFICE HAVE, UH, THE GOOD VOLUME.

NO, I'M ALLOWED NOW.

JUST RIGHT HERE, IF YOU WOULD.

AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I KNOW THE MICROPHONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE, A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR YOU, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

YOU MAY BEGIN WITH THE COURT'S PERMISSION.

I WOULD LIKE TO RE MY TIME TO CARL THOMAS.

OKAY.

YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, UH, RELINQUISH YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MRS. MC PATTON.

THANK YOU.

AND, UH, MS. THOMAS, UH, SHERIFF THOMAS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COME FORWARD.

UH, AND YOU'RE ALSO HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS SAME SUBJECT, THE, UH, MEMORIAL, UH, AT THE, UH, COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

JUDGE, PLEASE FORGIVE ME WITH MY VOICE A LITTLE BIT.

VERY SCIENCE PROBLEM.

AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN ABOUT THIS MEMORIAL.

UH, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

COMMISSIONER ROSA.

UH, WHY YOU OPPOSE IT, WHY ANYONE WOULD'VE WANT TO OPPOSE IT.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE TEA PARTY FELT IT WAS ADEQUATE TO ATTACK ME, MY DECEIT SON, WHO THE MEMORIAL WAS GONNA BE NAMED AFTER AND OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

I'M GONNA ASK YOU CONVICTION IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS PUT OUT BY PEOPLE.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME HONORABLE PEOPLE IN THE TEA PARTY, BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN THE TEA PARTY THAT ARE NOT HONORABLE, THAT WANT TO DO NOTHING EXCEPT DESTROY LAW ENFORCEMENT MISDEMEANOR IN THIS COUNTY.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, I'M AFRAID YOU'RE NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DECIDED TO GO.

OKAY.

CARL THOMAS, MY SON, YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THIS, HAVEN'T SLEPT HARDLY AT ALL.

THE LAST COUPLE OF THIS HAS REALLY BEEN ON MY FAMILY, ME PERSONALLY.

DAUGHTER ON MY WIFE WHO IS DISABLED, CAN'T EVEN GET OUT THE BED.

I DIDN'T EVEN TELL HER ABOUT THIS ARTICLE.

I SHOWED IT TO HER.

SHE READ THE ARTICLE, SHE CRIED ALL NIGHT BECAUSE OF THIS.

IT'S NOT EASY TO SIT, STAND HERE AS A FATHER WHO HAS LOST A CHILD AND SEE THAT CHILD ATTACKED BY A COMMISSIONER AND BY MEMBERS OF THE KAMAN COUNTY TEA PARTY.

NOBODY IN THIS COUNTY IS MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN WHAT I, AND WHAT MY FAMILY ARE.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE TEA PARTY, BUT I FIND THIS ATROCIOUS.

IT'S NOT EVEN ACCURATE.

IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING ACCURATE.

AND FURTHERMORE, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS OPED IS LIKE A THIEF OF THE NIGHT, DIDN'T HAVE THE COURAGE EVEN SIGN.

AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU, MR. ZA AND THE REST OF YOU IF YOU WANT SIGN IT.

I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNEW THAT THE GUARD WAS GOING BE BUILT.

NOW THIS OP-ED WAS INDICATED.

THE ONLY

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PEOPLE THAT KNEW THIS CAR WAS GONNA BE BUILT WAS COMMISSIONER ALLEN AND JUDGE BRUCE WOOD.

AND THAT IS JUST A LINE, AND I CAN PROVE IT BECAUSE I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF COMMISSIONER ZA, COMMISSIONER ALLEN AND JUDGE WOOD, ALL THREE ATTENDING THE MEMORIAL.

HOW CAN THEY DENY THAT? FURTHERMORE, TO FURTHER THE ATTACK, THEY'VE LIKENED THE MEMORIAL TO THE HOTDOG STAND.

I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP.

IT IS IN THE OP-ED THAT WAS WRITTEN BY COUNTY PARTY SHERIFF.

YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS.

I THINK I'M GONNA GET SOME MORE TIME, JUDGE.

SO, OKAY.

UH, I'M NOT QUITE THROUGH.

ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT PERSON TO YOU THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE SAME ISSUE IS WENDY THOMAS.

WENDY, ARE YOU HERE? I AM.

AND I'D LIKE TO RELINQUISH MY TIME TO MY FATHER.

, YOU'LL YIELD YOUR TIME TO YOUR FATHER.

YES, JUDGE.

THANK YOU.

I FIND IT, JUDGE.

WE HAVE SUPPORTED THIS COUNTY AND WE SUPPORTED ALL JUSTICE CAUSE IN THIS COUNTY FINANCIALLY.

AND WE PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

AND WE ALSO WORK FOR THE JUDGE CAUSES IN THIS COUNTY.

WENDY HAS SERVED ON MANY COMMITTEES, MANY BOARDS.

SHE'S WORKED ON THESE BOND ELECTIONS TO GET THINGS PASSED FOR THE COUNTY, BUT YET SHE'S ATTACKED.

THIS MEMORIAL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS WRITTEN ABOUT MY FAMILY.

EVEN JUDGE WOOD WAS ATTACKED AND HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

THEY MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WENDY WENT TO THE COMAN COUNTY JAIL, TOOK A SHOVEL, STARTED DIGGING UP THE GARDEN.

AND THAT IS A LIE.

THE SHERIFF APPROVED THIS.

AND IN OUR OPINION, THE SHERIFF HAD THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE HE'S IN CHARGE OF THE SECURITY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT KAMAN COUNTY AND THAT, AND THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE GROUNDS.

THEY ACT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD HIGH RISE BUILDING OUT THERE, WHICH IN FACT IS A LIE.

THERE'S A LOT ABOUT A 40 BY 40 SPOT OUT THERE BY THE JAIL.

THE MEMORIAL WAS GONNA BE BUILT TO HONOR MY SON AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THE KAMAN COUNTY.

IT WAS GONNA BE CALLED THE CARL SKIT THOMAS MEMORIAL.

BUT A WASN'T GONNA BE THE ONLY NAME OUT THERE.

ALL THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE IN COMP COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE GOING TO BE ON THAT PLATE ARE ONLY SOME FORM OF THE PLAQUE OUT THERE.

I'M REALLY TIRED OF THIS.

I FEEL MALIGN, I'M INSULTED.

I DON'T APPRECIATE THE TAX FROM T PART.

AND COMMISSIONER, I DON'T HAVE MUCH YOU HAD TO DO WRITING THIS, BUT I'M SURE YOU HAVE A LOT OF, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I WANT YOU TO TELL ME, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS AND WHY DID YOU VIOLATE THE OATH MEETINGS LAW BY SHOWING UP AT THE MEMORIAL WHEN YOU WERE NOT ASKED TO THE JUDGE WAS THERE.

COMMISSIONER ALLEN WAS THERE WHEN YOU SHOWED UP.

I VIOLATED OPEN MEETINGS.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT.

I MIGHT EVEN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT IS A VIOLATION OF LAW.

I WANT ASK YOU ONCE AGAIN TO CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE AN A AGREEABLE WITH THIS OR TO NOT DENY THE TRUTH THAT THIS ATTACHED ON MY OPINION.

I'LL SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM AND THE AGENDA ITEM.

OKAY, THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.

SECONDLY OR THIRDLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU TO RESIGN THAT HOW SERIOUS THIS ISSUE IS.

YOU FILE THE OPEN MEETING, YOU HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE ATTACK ON MY FAMILY AND THERE MAY BE SOME LIBELS ISSUED.

I TRIED TO BE GOOD.

YOU JUDGE MR. THOMAS, LET ME INTERRUPT JUST A SECOND.

I CUT YOU OFF EARLY THAT I SHOULD HAVE A MOMENT AGO.

YOU HAD BEEN YIELDED AT THE TIME BY MRS. MAX BADDEN.

UH, YOU STILL HAVE TWO MINUTES AND 45 SECONDS REMAINING IF YOU WISH TO USE THAT.

I APOLOGIZE FOR DOING THAT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TWO, TWO MINUTES, 45.

THANK DON'T MEAN TO, IT'S NOT EASY

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FOR ME TO HAVE TO UP HERE LIKE THIS AND TALK.

I'M A FORMER SHERIFF IN DALLAS COUNTY.

I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR 20 YEARS.

ALL OWN BUSINESS HERE.

WE'RE A MAJOR EMPLOYER IN THIS COUNTY.

WE EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE.

WE PAY A LOT OF TAXES.

AND I DON'T COME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT LOOKING FOR TROUBLE.

BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I'M NOT GONNA STAND HERE AND ALLOW MY FAMILY TO BE ATTACKED, ESPECIALLY MY SON WHO'S DECEASED AND CANNOT APPEAR HERE.

BUT I WILL BE HIS CHAMPION ALL.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE NOW BECAUSE I'M CHAMPION BECAUSE OF MY SON.

AND I'M ALSO DEFENDING MY DAUGHTER AND COMMISSIONER.

IT'S A GOOD THING PROBABLY THAT MY WIFE COULD NOT GET OUT BED THIS MORNING TO BE WITH BECAUSE SHE'S SO DISABLED.

SHE BED WITH, WHEN I SHOWED HER WITH US, SHE CRIED ALL NIGHT LONG.

I HAVEN'T SLEPT IN ABOUT TWO DAYS.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT Y'ALL WOULD MAKE THIS KIND OF ATTACK ON.

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS MEMORIAL, THAT'S ONE THING.

THAT'S FINE.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THIS.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEING ATTACKED OUT OF POLITICS.

AND AS SHE SAYS IN THIS OP-ED, SHE'S ATTACKING WENDY BECAUSE WENDY IS BRIAN BEAVER'S CAMPAIGN TREASURER TO BE SURE.

WHAT'S OUR GREAT SHERIFF HERE? RETIREMENT.

SHE'S ATTACKING HIM BECAUSE SHE'S HER.

WENDY IS THE TREASURE OF AND WE ARE SUPPORTER OF PEOPLE AND WE'RE PROUD TO SAY THAT WE'RE, BECAUSE WHEN MY SON PASSED, HE WAS THE FIRST ONE IN MY HOUSE.

HE BROUGHT FOOD, HE BROUGHT COMFORT.

HE TOOK OVER THE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE FUNERAL OF MY SON, WHICH IS, I JUST COULDN'T, I HOPE NONE OF YOU HAVE EVER LOST A SON OR A DAUGHTER.

IF YOU HAVE, I WANT TO HUG YOU BECAUSE IT IS THREATENING SITUATION TO BE WITH YOUR HEART, YOUR LIFE.

AND TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THE RADICAL MEMBERS OF THIS PUBLIC TEA PARTY AND THIS COMMISSION RESOLVE TO ATTACK SOMEONE THAT CAN'T HELP THEM, CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND TO ATTACK PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, THAT GET UP HERE AND WORK HARD AND PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE THE MOUTH IS.

GOT 15 SECONDS.

I THINK I WANT TO ASK YOU ALSO, COMMISSIONER, TO APOLOGIZE TO MY OPINION FOR THIS ATTACK.

AND I WANT TO ASK FOR ANY OF YOU WHO FEEL THAT YOU AGREE WITH THIS ATTACK.

I'M GONNA COUNT, ALSO SIGN.

I'M GONNA FRAME IT AND I'M GONNA PUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.

IN ALL THE NEWSPAPER.

SO DON'T BE A COWARD LIKE THE COWARD THAT WROTE THIS AND DID THE SAME OR USE THE BOLD NAME.

THANK YOU JUDGE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT PERSON IS GREG STAR.

MR. JONES.

GREG, ARE YOU HERE? YES SIR.

WOULD YOU I WAS GONNA GIVE MR. THOMAS MY TIME.

YOU WERE GONNA RELINQUISH YOUR TIME.

OKAY.

UH, MR. THOMAS IS FINISHED.

UH, NEXT PERSON IS LAURIE.

I'M SORRY, I'M RORY.

I'M NOT SURE I CAN READ THE HANDWRITING.

I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT.

JUDGE WOOD.

I THINK SHE MAY HAVE GONE BECAUSE WE TRIED TO FIND, I TRIED TO FIND HER.

SHE ONE, BUT HER LAST.

TRYING TO ASK HER WHO HIRED HER LAST NAME BECAUSE NONE OF US COULD READ HER NAME.

ALRIGHT.

AND WE NEVER DID GET A RESPONSE.

SO SHE MAY BE DONE.

WELL, I'M GLAD TO KNOW I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN'T READ HER NAME.

WELL, THE DEPUTY AND I, NEITHER ONE CAN READ HER NAME.

OKAY, WELL WE WILL MOVE ON THIS PERSON.

SO WE'LL CROSS HER OFF THAT.

UH, UNLESS SHE REAPPEAR, WE WILL MOVE ON FROM HER.

UH, THE NEXT PERSON IS, UH, MR. LEONARD.

KEN.

LEONARD.

KEN, ARE YOU HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MEMORIAL OR ARE YOU HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE? NO, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MEMORIAL.

OKAY.

COME FORWARD THEN.

JUDGE COMMISSIONERS.

I, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT I CAN SAY WHAT I WANNA SAY IN THREE MINUTES, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST.

THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE BEFORE COMMISSIONER COURT WAS OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UH, Y'ALL WERE DISCUSSING, UH, BUILDING THE COURTS BUILDING.

AND THE TWO PEOPLE WHO SPOKE WERE ME AND MIKE MCCLELLAN.

UH, WE WALKED OUT HERE AND I TOLD MIKE MCCLELLAN, YOU CAN'T BE STANDING OUT HERE IN THE OPEN.

AND HE SAID, I KNOW EXACTLY WHO KILLED MARK CAS.

UH, STANDING OUT THERE ON THE SIDEWALK.

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TWO YEARS OF TWO AND A HALF YEARS HAVE PASSED AND THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION OF A MEMORIAL FOR MIKE MCCLELLAN AND CYNTHIA MCCLELLAN AND, AND MARK HASSEY.

UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THIS COURT NEEDS TO ADDRESS.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I GAVE YOU COPIES OF THE PROCEDURE WE WENT THROUGH WHEN THE VETERANS MEMORIAL WAS BUILT.

IT WAS A PROCEDURE THAT TOOK YEARS.

IT STARTED WITH A RESOLUTION.

AND, UM, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THAT COMMISSIONERS PAID FOR, THAT, UH, THAT LAYS OUT WHERE EVERYTHING OUT THERE IS GONNA GO, WHERE COURT'S BUILDING IS GONNA BE, WHERE PREACHER JAIL SPACE IS GONNA BE.

IF THIS SITE PLAN IS AMENDED, IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE BACK THEN, WE WERE THE ONES THAT ARE I, MY HEART GOES OUT.

'CAUSE I'M, YOU KNOW, THE, I I I VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED, UH, SHERIFF THOMAS IN TWO ELECTED IN TWO COUNTIES, UH, WHEN WE LIVED IN DALLAS COUNTY.

HE CAME WITH SMOKEY JOE MARON TO THE ROUGHLY, TO THE BROADWAY CHURCH OF CHRIST AND TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE BEING LED TO CHRIST IN THE DALLAS COUNTY JAIL.

AND SINCE THEN, MY FAMILY AND THEIRS HAVE BEEN JOINED AT THE HEART, HONESTLY.

AND MY HEART GOES OUT.

AND I WOULD NOT CRITICIZE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT MEMORIAL EXCEPT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE A JOB AND WHEN, AND WE CAN'T, UH, WE CAN'T FORCE SUBSEQUENT COMMISSIONER COURTS TO FOLLOW THIS PLAN, BUT IT TAKES COMMISSIONER COURT TO DEVIATE FROM THAT PLAN.

AND I WOULD ASK Y'ALL TO PLEASE AND, AND, AND WE HAVE A BIG MESS NOW.

AND I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL DIDN'T CREATE IT, BUT IT IS UP TO Y'ALL.

Y'ALL RAN FOR OFFICE, YOU SAID THE BIG CHAIRS.

AND IT IS UP TO Y'ALL TO SORT IT OUT.

AND I WOULD ASK THAT Y'ALL PRAY THE WISDOM JUST LIKE I DID AT THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE SORTED OUT AND IT'S GOTTA BE SORTED OUT.

BUT PLEASE DO NOT FORGET MIKE MCCLELLAN, CYNTHIA MCCLELLAN AND MARK HASSEY, WHO WERE KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

AND IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, THE NEXT PERSON THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IS LARRY.

MR. NIK.

I WISH TO RELINQUISH MY TIME TO MR. MYERS.

OKAY, MR. MYERS, RAY MYERS IS NEXT TO SPEAK ON THE, AND MR. YOU A TOTAL WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET UP HERE.

THANK YOU JUDGE.

AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS TOWN.

UM, I'M HERE TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR ALL POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY IN TON COUNTY AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE NATION.

OUR COUNTRY'S AT CROSSROADS AND WE'VE ALL BEEN, WE'VE ALL BEEN AWARE, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS WATCH TV, READ THE PAPERS AND SO FORTH.

AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A TOTAL ATTACK ON OUR POLICE OFFICERS ALL OVER THE NATION, AND WE ALL NEED TO STAND FIRM AND BACK TO BLUE IN THE COLMAN COUNTY TEA PARTY.

WE'VE HAD THREE MEETINGS.

THREE, WE'VE GONE TO THREE DIFFERENT, UH, BACK TO BLUE, UH, PROGRAMS IN THE PAST MONTH.

WE EVEN HAD A PROGRAM FOR BACK TO BLUE AT OUR RECENT, UH, PROGRAM WITH, UH, COLONEL ALLEN WEST.

I ALSO AGREED WITH KEN LEONARD.

IT'S TIME THAT WE SUPPORT A MEMORIAL FOR MIKE MCCLEON.

MARKEY, ALSO A GENTLEMAN GOT KILLED BY THE NAME OF ROBERT STOUT FROM CALKIN COUNTY IN FACT.

AND ALSO IN, IN 2005, A GENTLEMAN GOT KILLED IN CALKIN COUNTY IN LINE OF DUTY, A CONSTABLE, HIS NAME WAS JOHN D BUR IN THAT, IN THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR ALL OF THESE PEOPLE.

WE DO BACK THE BLUE.

WE'RE WORKING, UH, WE ARE, WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GOOD KAMAN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE ROCKFALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE VETTE Z COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND ALSO WITH, UH, SHERIFF ANDY LAUDER BACK, WHO IS THE, WHO IS THE, UH, STATE CHAIR OF THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION.

WE PLAN ON, AND WE ALSO ATTEND ON, ON ATTENDING THE BACK TO BLUE ORGANIZATION, UH, THAT, UH, UH, SUPPOSED TO BE HELD SHANNON PARK AND CALLED.

I ALSO AGREE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY MINDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DECEASED AND WHO ARE WHO, WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR HEART AND SOUL IN CATON COUNTY FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT IS RIGHT.

AND I, I AGREE WITH THE SHERIFF ON THAT, AND I REALLY DO.

WE HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THIS MEMORIAL.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

UH, ALL WE BELIEVE OR ALL WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE AND THE, THE COUNTY

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COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.

THAT'S THE MAJOR THING THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, TO, UH, TO, TO WORK ON.

AND I WOULD ASK, UH, THE SHERIFF, SHERIFF IS THE SHERIFF HERE, DO, DO YOU HAVE THE SOLE AUTHORITY OVER THE GROUNDS IN, IN CI MEAN OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, AND EVERYTHING AND DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ORDINANCE WHERE YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW PROCEDURE TO GET A DONATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THERE? THERE IS A LAW THAT'S THIS DONATION IN WHEN COMING TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL, UH, AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, I'M BASING, I'M READING THE SECTION IN THE LAW OF THE COUNTY.

OKAY.

TEXAS CODE NUMBER, SECTION 8 1 0 3 2 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODES, WHICH STATES THAT COMMISSIONER'S COURT MAY ACCEPT A GIFT GRANT, DONATION, DE REQUEST, OR DEVISED, UH, OF MONEY OR OTHER PROPERTY ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING A FUNCTION CONFERRED BY LAW ON THE COUNTY OR A COUNTY OFFICER.

WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY LAW THAT ALLOWS THE SHERIFF OR ANY OTHER COUNTY OFFICIALS TO ACCEPT DONATIONS FOR THE COUNTY.

OBVIOUSLY THERE MUST BE A CASE IN THIS ITEM, UH, WHICH WOULD NOT BE ON, I'M SORRY, THIS MUST BE A CASE OF THIS ITEM.

IT WOULD NOT BE ON THE AGENDA.

I'M NOT HERE TO VOICE MY APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY DONATION, BUT TO ASK WHY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HIS DEPARTMENT.

I ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHY JUDGE WOOD WOULD ALLOW THIS TO PROCEED IF EACH OF YOU KNEW THE LAW ABOUT DONATIONS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT A, A DONATION, ESPECIALLY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION.

AND I UNDERSTAND CONSTRUCTION HAS, UH, ALREADY STARTED.

I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW MS. THOMAS IS, IS WANTING TO INCLUDE OTHERS ON MEMORIAL, WHICH IS JUST FACT, WHICH, UH, WHY THE CHARGE BY THE CHANGE OF LAND, NOTHING HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN AN OPEN FORM FOR THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS WHO WILL BE ACTUALLY PAYING IN PERPETUITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE, LIGHTING, IRRIGATION AND SO FORTH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PLACEMENT OF THE ITEM AND TODAY'S AGENDA IS THE ATTEMPT TO FURTHER KEEP THE, THE TAX PAYING CITIZENS ABOUT FINDING OUT ABOUT WHO THE, THE, THE, UH, THE UH, UH, MEMORIAL.

THE MEMORIAL WILL, WILL MEMORIALIZE, WHO WILL PAY, WHO WILL MAINTAIN BEFORE IT'S COMPLETED.

PASSAGE OF THIS ITEM TODAY WILL FURTHER PROMOTE THE SECRECY OF THE PROJECT.

ALL WE'RE SAYING IS LET'S LOOK AT IT AND LET'S FILE THE PROCEDURE.

THE PERCEPTION IS WE DON'T WANT MONEY TO INFLUENCE THIS ITEM.

AND WHAT WE FOUND HERE IN MOST CASES, TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO BE UNETHICAL AND PROBABLY ILLEGAL, ONE ONLY NEEDS TO FOLLOW THE MONEY CLAIM.

THAT'S HIS POLITICS.

THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON EVERYWHERE AND IT IS STILL GOING ON.

RESEARCH AND RECENT RECORDS SHOW THAT WE HAVE FOUND THAT SHERIFF BURNS HAS RECEIVED ALL OVER $4,000 IN DONATIONS FROM THOMAS FIRM.

MR. BEAVERS HAS RECEIVED A DONATION OF $24,000 FROM THE LAW FIRM, FROM FROM HIS FIRM.

AND ALSO I THINK IT'S GOOD ENOUGH, UH, THAT, UM, THAT THE SHERIFF, UH, THAT THE JUDGE WOOD HAS RECEIVED A THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM THIS TOTAL IS A LITTLE OVER $29,000.

WHILE MS. THOMAS HAS A RIGHT TO DONATE TO ANYBODY SHE WANTS TO.

AND THAT'S GREAT.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPEARANCE OF THIS PUBLIC OFFICIALS RECEIVING SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTIONS COULD APPEAR TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE OVER THEIR DECISIONS TO LET THIS PROCEED WITHOUT COMMISSIONER'S BOARD OF PROOF SEEMS LIKE THIS KIND OF THING LEGITIMIZES DISTRUST WHEN YOU GOT MONEY LIKE THAT INVOLVED.

LET'S WORK TOGETHER WITH MS. THOMAS IN OPEN AND BY THE RULES AND THE LAW TO CREATE A MEMORIAL THAT HONORS ALL COUNTY OFFICIALS.

YOUR TIME IS UP.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JUDGE.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

UH, THE NEXT PERSON, UH, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR THAT'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS BRIAN MARTIN.

UH, AND HE ALSO WISH, WISH TO SPEAK ON THE MEMORIAL, UH, ISSUE OF HIS RIGHTS HERE THIS MORNING.

YES.

OKAY.

YOU RELENTLESS YOUR TIME FOR THE SHERIFF TO COME BACK UP.

CAN I CALL YOU SHERIFF BECAUSE YOU'RE THE FORMER SHERIFF OF DALLAS COUNTY AND, UH, ONCE THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF, LIKE A JUDGE.

THANK YOU JUDGE.

I'M ALSO A FORMER US MARINE, SO YOU CALL ME SERGEANT .

MS. MYERS, YOU'RE SO FAR OUT LEFT FIELD TO DISCERN.

BELIEVE YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FREE SO SOCIETY, THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES ALLOWS US TO SUPPORT WHO WE WANNA SUPPORT AND AS LONG AS WE WANT

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CAN AFFORD TO MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THOSE PEOPLE, TO ELECT GOOD PEOPLE, WE INTEND TO DO IT.

YOU KNOW, I WASN'T BORN WITH A SILVER SPOON IN MY MOUTH.

LIKE YOU MIGHT WANT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE.

I STARTED THIS BUSINESS WHEN I LEFT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN 1991 AND I WAS THE SOLE GUARD, THE SOLE BOOKKEEPER, THE SOLE ACCOUNT.

WE BUILT THIS BUSINESS FROM THE GROUND UP AND TURNED IT TO A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION.

AND WE DO BUSINESS IN 35 STUDIES.

AND I'M PROUD OF THAT FACT AND I'M NOT RUNNING FROM IT AND I'M NOT HIDING IT.

AND I'M GLAD THAT WE CAN SUPPORT BRIAN BE, AND I MAY GIVE HIM ANOTHER $25,000 AND I MAY GIVE THE SHERIFF 5,000 OR 25,000 BUCKS.

I MAY GIVE BRUCE WOOD 25,000.

I MAY GIVE JAKE I 25,000.

I MIGHT GIVE STEVE, NO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING.

ISN'T WONDERFUL COUNTRY WHEN PEOPLE CAN DO THIS.

IT'S CALLED CAPITALISM IN A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY.

AND THAT DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT YOU ATTACK MY FAMILY.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THE REST OF IT DON'T MATTER TO ME.

THE MEMORIAL GARDEN DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO ME OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE BECAUSE PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT DESERVE THAT, ESPECIALLY THIS DAY AND AGE.

AND FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO ATTACK THE SHERIFF WHO'S REALLY BUILT A EXCELLENT DEPARTMENT HERE AND HAS PROTECTED THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.

AND SHAME ON YOU AND SHAME ON ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S DONE THAT AND SHAME ON YOU FOR THIS HEARING.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, LET'S GO BACK NOW TO ANOTHER ITEM.

AND AGAIN, I DO APPRECIATE WHERE YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE YOUR COMMENTS, UH, UH, TO ONE SPEAKER OR, UH, SO WE CAN MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE WOULD GO BACK TO IS, UH, AN ITEM CALLED COMMISSIONER ISSUES.

UH, THIS IS FROM, UH, MIKE CRAWFORD AND MR. CRAWFORD, I BELIEVE YOU ARE HERE.

AND, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THIS MORNING, UH, I WAS CONTACTED, UH, PRIOR THE MEETING STARTED STARTING BY COMMISSIONER LIK ABOUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THE SAME ISSUES, HONOR THAT YOU SPOKE, UH, EARLIER ABOUT LAST TIME.

AND SO I TALKED WITH THE DA'S OFFICE AND UH, I AM GOING TO GRANT THAT PERMISSION, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASON FOR ME NOT TO DO THAT.

BUT WE GONNA HAVE RULES IN PLACE THAT WE, THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSA AND I HAVE TALKED AND I'VE ALSO GIVEN HIM THE SAME OPPORTUNITY WHERE HE CAN ADDRESS THREE MINUTES AS WELL.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER, I'LL ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME THING SINCE YOU'LL BE SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

UH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE MICROPHONE, GET READY TO DO THAT.

NOW HE BE SPEAKING AS COMMISSION OR THE, I'M ASKING HIM TO, I THINK HE WANTS TO SPEAK AS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR.

YES, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY SPEAK AS BOTH SINCE HE WANTS TO BE BOTH.

WELL THAT'S, THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED.

THAT'S, LET'S GO AHEAD.

SO YOU MAY BEGIN.

AND THANK YOU FOR WELL, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE KEY PARTY.

IT WAS, UH, PENAL CODE OR WHATEVER I WAS HOPING HE COULD BUST OUT WITH ONE FOR, UH, AND TALK ABOUT THE, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORMS THAT SHOULD BE FILLED OUT THERE.

BUT ANYWAY, CAME BACK.

I WANTED TO CLARIFY AFTER I LEFT HERE LAST TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, I READ IT IN THE PAPER AND TALKING AND THEN I THINK, UH, EVEN THE DA'S OFFICE, WHATEVER, I WANNA CLARIFY, I'M NOT JUST AN UPSET LAND OR A PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE MY PROPERTY, A LITTLE BIT OF MY PROPERTY GOT TO UP.

I'M UPSET BECAUSE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER LAST FIVE CONTRACT, I DON'T KNOW WHY DID IT WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, WITHOUT THE CITY'S PERMISSION AND WITHOUT THE COUNTY'S PERMISSION, I'M DOING IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN ABUSE AUTHORITY.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LIABILITY.

AND I SAID ALL THIS, BUT AS WE LEFT THAT DAY, I GO AND LOOK AT THE, IN THE PAPER AND STUFF AND IT LIKE, HE'S JUST MAD BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING IN THE ROAD DITCH.

NO, THAT'S NOT IT.

THERE'S A SUCH THING AS LIABILITY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS UPSET ABOUT BECAUSE WHO'S LYING? I WAS UPSET THAT I KNOW THAT.

AND IF I WERE TO HAVE DONE

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THAT AS A CITIZEN, I WOULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN ARRESTED.

AND WHY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN? I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND, BUT I'M GONNA FIND OUT BECAUSE IT'S TRESPASSING.

I TALKED TO THE MAYOR.

THE MAYOR CAME TO MY RESIDENCE.

YOU REFER ME TO THE DA'S OFFICE AND TO THE MAYOR, YOU WOULDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

THIS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THESE DIVERSIONS, I GUESS YOU AND THIS TEA PARTY OR WHOEVER, I DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT YOU OR THERE'S A LOT OF DIVERSIONS.

EVERY TIME YOU GET INTO A SITUATION, YOU'VE GOT AN ANSWER.

IT'S NOT IT THAT MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I'M ASKING.

YOU SENT ME PAPERWORK.

I LOVE THAT.

I REALLY LOVE THAT.

I ASKED FOR WHERE YOU GOT PERMISSION TO COME ONTO MY PROPERTY.

YOU SENT ME A PROJECT, AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY.

THAT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PRIVATE COMPANY AND MY PROPERTY OR YOU AS A COMMISSIONER IN MY PROPERTY.

YOU SHOULD HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR MY PROPERTY.

THEN YOU SEND ME THIS ONE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHO FILL THIS OUT BY THE WAY.

I REALLY, UM, I UNDERSTAND.

I KNOW IF YOU UP, HOPEFULLY THEY'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE YOU'VE BEEN THERE.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY, THIS ONE WAS SLASHED THROUGH, THE DATES WERE SLASHED THROUGH CHANGED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.

IT'S BY EMAIL.

SO I I DIDN'T DO YOUR, UH, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

I FORGOT TO GIVE YOU THE 15 SECOND WARNING, BUT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

SO THE NEXT PERSON, UH, THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE IS SYLVIA CRAWFORD.

UH, MS. CRAWFORD, ARE YOU HERE? I'D LIKE TO DEFEND MR. CRAWFORD.

OKAY.

YOU'D LIKE FOR YOU AND YOUR TIME TOO.

YES SIR.

MR. CRAWFORD, YOU MAY BEGIN THIS PAPERWORK HERE, WHICH WAS DATED FILE 11 FOR A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF 5,400 AND I CAN'T 42, WHATEVER IT IS FOR TIMBER CREEK SUCH AND SUCH PASSING THIS, THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR THAT DATE ON MY PROPERTY.

SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA MANIPULATE ME.

YOU MAY MANIPULATE THE DA'S OFFICE, WHOEVER, I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA MANIPULATE ME WITH YOUR PAPERWORK AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE LAW.

I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IS, I'M ALMOST FRAUDULENT TO PUT THIS, GIVE THIS TO ME TO TRY TO MANIPULATE ME OR TRICK ME IN THAT YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO BE ON MY PROPERTY WHEN YOU DON'T.

I THINK MY OPINION IS, IF YOU'RE SO COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'RE GONNA PROTECT YOU AND DEFEND YOU, YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO AS I SENT YOU IN YOUR EMAIL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH ME.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA MANIPULATE AND DIVERSE GETTING A LITTLE DIVERSION.

I MEAN, I, I READ UP ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, UH, THAT'S PRETTY PATHETIC.

IF I WANTED TO, AND I'M GETTING ON ANOTHER SUBJECT, IF I WANTED TO DONATE SOME OF MY MONEY AND PUT A MEMORIAL IN, I PROMISE YOU, YOU WOULDN'T STOP ME BECAUSE I'D GO THROUGH WHATEVER I HAD TO FOR YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE TO ATTACK A FAMILY LIKE THAT.

THAT YOU ARE PATHETIC AND WHOEVER ELSE HAS DONE IT THAT NOW I, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR ANY OF YOU AND DIDN'T CARE UNTIL YOU CAME ON MY PROPERTY AND YOU TOOK, AND WHEN I QUESTIONED YOU, YOU SAID YOU WERE COMMISSIONER THEN YOU SAID YOU WERE A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, UHUH, THEN YOU WENT BACK TO COMMISSIONER, YOU SAID YOU WOULD CHARGE ME.

YES SIR.

YOU DID.

YOU SAT THERE AND LIE ALL YOU WANT.

THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT P****D EXCUSE MY MIND.

I'M SORRY IT MADE ME SO MAD.

I WENT BACK IN THE HOUSE AND YOU KNOW IT, YOU SAT THERE AND SHAKE YOUR HEAD LIKE YOU DID LAST TIME.

I'M HERE, I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

SOMETHING'S GONNA GET RESOLVED ABOUT THIS.

AND YES, I AM UPSET.

I SEE WHAT YOU DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WERE BY GOING, THERE'S ALWAYS RUMORS.

YOU GOT 15 SECONDS FOR REMAIN.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND FINISH THE 15 SECONDS THE NEXT GO AHEAD.

YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS RUMORS.

SEEK OUT AND

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LOOK AT SOME OF THIS STUFF.

I ALMOST WANT TO BELIEVE IT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH ME.

OKAY.

THE 15 SECONDS IS THAT THE NEXT PERSON ON THE AGENDA THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IS ROSEANNE.

LAURA, I'M, I'M GIVING MR. CRAWFORD MY TIME.

DO YOU YOUR TIME, LAURA? YES.

JUDGE YOU THREE MINUTES, MR. COMMISSION THAT I HAVE TO HERE AS A TAXPAYER.

I RUN A BUSINESS AS WELL.

I'M MISSING OUT TODAY.

SEE, YOU'RE COSTING ME MONEY TODAY 'CAUSE I HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE AND GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

I ASKED THIS FOR BEING THOROUGH AGENDA.

THERE ARE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS ON AS FAR AS UH, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, COMMISSIONER GROVE, ALL THIS STUFF.

YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU DID NOT.

YOU REFERRED, I KNOW YOU, YOU REFERRED ME TO THE OFFICE, BUT I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND BUT I I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WAS GONNA, THAT WAS GONNA BE ON THE PART OF THAT AGENDA.

IF THE COUNTY MEASURED SEX ON A CITY'S TAX INFRASTRUCTURE MORE, HE'S ALSO A REP REPRESENTING THE COUNTY ON CERTAIN ISSUES.

AND AS A COMMISSIONER VOTED TO APPROVE A CERTAIN ISSUE AND THEN HE'S ABLE TO GET A LUCRATIVE CONTRACT FROM A SUB ON THIS PROJECT.

IS, THERE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST DISCLOSURE FORM BEING FILED FOR THE COUNTY AND POSTED BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE, BUT I WANT, I NEED TO KNOW THAT.

BUT MY BIGGEST THING IS, IS I I'LL, I WANT TO GET A RESOLUTION TO CRITICIZE ON PROBLEM DAMAGING MY PROBLEM.

SOMEBODY TO SHOW ME WHO IS LIABLE IF YOUR EMPLOYEE OR YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN HURT ON, ON MY PROPERTY.

I WANT SEE A CONTRACT, SOMETHING STATING ALLOWING YOU TO DO THIS.

NOT THIS, THIS DOESN'T WORK.

THAT DOESN'T WORK.

NONE OF THAT WORKS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY ON THAT DATE JIMMY WAS OUT OR HIS EMPLOYEE OR THE COMMISSIONER CAN GO ON MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND THE MAYOR OF THAT CITY WHO YOU REFERRED ME TO, HIS OR HIS WORD FOR VERY NICE GENTLEMAN HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT.

HE SAID JIMMY, JOE KNOWS BETTER THAN THIS.

HE, I'M GONNA HAVE CALL 15.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

UH, THE NEXT PERSON ON THE AGENDA IS TERRY CROW.

IS MR. CROW HERE? YES.

YOU YOUR TIME.

YIELD YOUR TIME TO MR. CRAWFORD.

YOU MAY PROCEED.

YOU I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANYBODY SITTING UP HERE.

UH, MR. EMAILED ME.

IS THIS TYPICAL? I MEAN, IS THIS TYPICAL? I MEAN QUESTION MARKS I WANT BUSINESS AS WELL.

QUESTION MARK.

REASON THEY QUESTION, UH, IS THAT TYPICAL? I BOARD THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

OPEN DOOR.

THE NEXT QUESTION IS IF YOU ALLOW, TRY TO USE THESE PAPERWORK AS A WAY TO DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND THEN HE WANTS TO DO.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T NEED BACK, UH, SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE.

I MEAN YOU CAN'T GO AROUND.

I GUESS NEXT THING THE SHERIFF HAD ON, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, ALL RESPECT, JUDGE.

I MEAN WE'RE SITTING IN THE COURTROOM.

I DON'T THE ALL RESPECT,

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I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD GO FOR IT IF THE DA HAD THE JUDGE'S HAT ON, IF THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OR A JUDGE IS HAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK.

SO AS A COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE WALKING AROUND, YOU'RE CALLING THE SHOTS AS YOU SEE.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

BEFORE MY THREE MINUTES ARE UP, I KNOW HE'S GONNA HAVE, UH, I GUESS THREE MINUTES TO COME BACK, BUT I WON'T SAY A FEW MINUTES SO I CAN SAY SOMETHING BACK TO HIM WHEN HE DOES.

YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.

WELL, LET'S SAY IT, I NORMALLY DO NOT ALLOW THAT, SO I WOULD PREFER TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.

I GOT ANY TIME TO SAY ANYTHING BACK AFTERWARDS? NO, YOU'LL, WELL, THAT IS PROBABLY LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK THAT IS THE MOST DRAMATIC, UH, COUNT OF A COVERED INSTALLATION I'VE EVER HEARD.

UH, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN ATTORNEY.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS HE QUESTIONED ME ABOUT CLEANING OUT THE ROAD DITCH IN THE CITY OF POST OAK BEND, UH, WATER EASEMENT ALONG COUNTY ROAD 2 7 9 I INSTALLED, I HAD A SUBCONTRACTOR INSTALL A CULVERT, UH, FOR A PROJECT THAT IS NEXT DOOR TO MR. CRAWFORD'S PROPERTY.

IN DOING SO, WE HAD TO CLEAN THE DITCH OUT TO LOWER THE CULVERT SO THAT THE CULVERT WOULD FLOW FULL INSTEAD OF GOING OVER THE ROAD.

AND AS ALWAYS, WE CLEANED THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT OF THE COVER, THE EXIT, UH, IN ORDER FOR IT NOT TO STAND IN WATER, UH, HAD TO BE CLEANED OUT IN FRONT OF MR. CRAWFORD'S PROPERTY.

I HAD A PICTURE THERE SHOWING HIS PROPERTY LINE WITH AN EXISTING SURVEY STATE THERE THAT SHOWS THE WORK WAS DONE IN THE CITY OF OKE BENDS, UH, EASEMENT, THE WATER EASEMENT FOR THE ROAD.

UM, I MET HIM, SHOOK HANDS WITH HIM AND EXPLAINED TO HIM WHY WE DID THAT.

AND HE ASKED ME IF I DID IT AS A COMMISSIONER OR AS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR.

AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM IT WAS AS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR SINCE THEN.

IT HAD MULTIPLE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH.

AT ONE POINT HE WOULD ASK ME, UH, WHAT MY AUTHORITY AS A COMMISSIONER WAS TO DO THAT.

AND I TOLD HIM, I I SENT HIM A PROJECT AGREEMENT ALONG WITH A, UH, CONTINUING, UM, INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY POST .

AND THEN HE REFERRED TO MY ABILITY TO DO IT AS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR.

AND I TOLD HIM, WE ALWAYS DO THAT IT'S NORMAL.

YOU PUT A A COVERED IN YOU MAKE SURE YOU PUT IT DOWN LOW ENOUGH THAT IT FLOWS.

IT DOESN'T, UH, PROHIBIT THE FLOW OF WATER.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

AND AS FAR AS HIS REMARKS ABOUT CHARGING HIM, MY COMMENT TO HIM WAS THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THE DITCH CLEANED OUT, UH, TO THAT PROFESSIONAL, UH, REALM THAT WE DID.

AND, UH, HE SEEMED TO REALLY GET AGITATED AT THAT POINT.

AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT THE DITCH THAT WE DID WAS LOOKED MUCH MORE PROFESSIONAL AND DRAINED BETTER, EXCUSE ME, THAN THE, UH, THE DITCH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIS EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

AND HE COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO MOW THE DITCH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

AND I TOLD HIM THIS SIDE WOULD BE, UH, VERY EASILY MOW AND HE COMPLAINED ABOUT A HUMP.

I TOLD HIM AS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, I WOULD COME BACK AND, AND, UH, FINISH IT OFF WHEN IT RAINED AND THE GROUND SOFTENED UP 'CAUSE THERE WAS ABOUT A TWO OR THREE INCH, UH, HUMP THERE THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT.

AND SINCE THEN, CONTACTED THE MAYOR.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEIR DISCUSSION WAS.

I ALSO CONTACTED THE MAYOR AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT AND THAT THE DITCH HAD TO BE CLEANED OUT.

AND, UH, SO I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HIS DEMANDS ARE.

HE KEEPS GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PRIVATE CONTRACTOR AND THE COMMISSIONER AND I PROVIDED HIM THE PAPERWORK AS A COMMISSIONER.

SO THIS IS A PRIVATE ISSUE BETWEEN HE AND I AND UH, I EXPECT TO SEE HIM POST OPEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING TOMORROW.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO HEAR FROM LYDIA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT THE NEXT PERSON THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD IS LYDIA BOONE.

WHO WANTS TALK ABOUT A MS. BOONE.

COME FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

MY NAME IS LISA.

I, SORRY, LISA?

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YES.

OKAY.

I TRAVELED COUNTY A LOT TO GO TO RY COMMUNITY .

AND IN MIDST OF DOING SO, UM, I GOT A TICKET AND MY TICKET SAYS THAT ON 41 AND THE 45 MILE AN HOUR, SO ZONE IN FRONT OF HIGH, THE CARLL HIGH SCHOOL, UM, THERE IS A SCHOOL ZONE THAT HAPPENS THERE DURING THE TIME WHEN THE LIGHT IS ON, BUT DURING THE TIME OF ONE 17, THE LIGHT IS NOT ON TO DEMONSTRATE A SCHOOL ZONE YET.

I STILL ONLY WENT 41 MILES AN HOUR IN A 45 MILE AN HOUR ZONE, WHICH I DIDN'T SPEED .

UM, SO I WAS UM, LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO SEE ABOUT, UH, PUTTING SOME TIMES OR SOMETHING IN FRONT OF TERRELL HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT WHEN THE SCHOOL ZONES ARE BECAUSE THE, ON, I THINK IT'S NORTH TOWN ROAD RIGHT THERE, THEY HAVE TIMES ON THAT AND THEY HAVE A SITTING OFFICER, BUT THIS DOES NOT HAVE A CITY OFFICER.

AND I RECEIVED THIS IN THE MAIL.

UM, IT'S $150, I CAN PAY IT, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT THAT AREA DOES NOT SIGNAGE A SCHOOL ZONE OF TIME.

SO, UM, I'M NOT CONSIDERED THIS MATTER ANOTHER TIME.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT, UH, PERSON, UH, IS CAROL CRUZ.

CRUZ, I BELIEVE.

YES.

UH, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN TRAVIS CAROL CRUZ? I'VE LIVED ON TRAVIS LANE SINCE 1987.

UM, THERE IS A RACE TRACK AT THE END OF OUR STREET AND I'M PRETTY SURE ALL OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN OUT AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER.

UM, I FEEL LIKE, LIKE IT'S ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS.

I'M MOWING MY DITCH AND BEER BOTTLES COME FLYING OUT AND CANS CONSTANTLY.

MY MAILBOX HAS BEEN WENT OVER TWICE THE TRAFFIC STATS UP ON THE ROAD.

YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY VISITORS ON A SUNDAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH THE TRAFFIC.

UM, THE HORSE TRAILERS GOING BY TEARING UP THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY TRAILERS THAT GO BY.

UM, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE THAT MOST OF THE TRIPS WHEN THEY LEAVE AT HIGH SPEED, THEY'RE GONNA THE SHELL STATION FOR FOR LIQUOR, BUT IT SURE SEEMS LIKE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE WHEN THEY TOSS OUT BOTTLES, THEY GO BY.

UM, I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING DONE TO SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS AND CHILDREN IN THAT AREA WOULD BE TAKING THEIR LIFE IN THEIR HANDS ACROSS THE STREET TO VISIT FRIEND BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE DO NOT SEEM TO CARE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON, ON THE STREET AS LONG HAVE A A INTERCOM SYSTEM, WHICH MOST OF THE TIME THEY SHUT DOWN BEFORE IT GETS LATE IN THE DAY.

SO DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT DURING THE DAYTIME, BUT I'M THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE LEFT DOWN AND IT'S ALL THE END OF THE STREET AND WE CAN HEAR SHOUTING AND THE INTERCOM SYSTEM OCCASIONALLY WHEN IT WENT RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO, UM, I WORRY ABOUT THE STATE OF THE HORSES THAT I'VE SEEN GOING BY, UM, AND HOW HEALTHY IT'S FOR THEM BECAUSE I SEEN SOME THAT CERTAINLY DON'T LOOK OVER THE TO BE RIDDEN, MUCH LESS RUN WITH BODY OF A PERSON ON TOP OF THEM.

UM, I'VE HAD HORSES FOR 30 YEARS AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD EVER DO TO MY HORSE AGE EVER.

UM, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO STOP RUNNING INTO MY FENCE AND THEN DRIVING OFF, LEAVING IT DOWN IN MY HORSE STAY.

THAT HAPPENED ONE TIME.

UH, LUCKILY MY HORSE STAYED BEHIND THE FENCE.

A NEIGHBOR CAME OUT AND SAW THEM AND WENT DOWN TO THE HOUSE AND ASKED THEM TO FIX IT.

THEY BAD JOB, BUT AT LEAST THE STAY INSIDE.

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NEXT ITEM IS NICE.

CRUZ, UH, WHO'S ALSO HERE ON NUMBER SEVEN.

UH, TRAVIS IS ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA.

YOU SPEAK, YOU CAN SPEAK.

THANK YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSION.

THANK YOU.

AND NUMBER SEVEN FOR THE RACE TRACK AT THE END OF LANE TO IT IS VERY UNSAFE FOR, ESPECIALLY IN A DEAD END STREET.

TOO MUCH TRAFFIC BEATS UP THE ROAD, WHICH IS JUST HORRIBLE AS IT IS.

IT ALSO HAS MY WIFE OPEN A BEER BOTTLE PANS MONDAY, I A TIRE PICK AND ALL THAT STUFF.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE TRAFFIC SEAT THAT SLOWED DOWN ON THE TRAVIS OR EVEN LAST NIGHT ONCE THEY GET OFF THE 27 20 SEVENTH, THEY'RE JUST JUMPING ON THERE SOME STUFF.

AND I KNOW THEY HAVE HAD SEVERAL ACCIDENTS OUT ON TRAVIS.

27, 20 SEVENTH, SEVEN ROAD, 27 27 DOWN AT 2 43.

THEY HAD ACCIDENTS.

I'M WORRIED.

HAD TO GET CARE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT RACETRACK CLOSE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT PERSON THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IS, UH, CINDY FA KAUFMAN.

ALSO ON NUMBER SEVEN TRAVIS.

I ALSO AS A CITIZEN TAXPAYER KAUFMAN COUNTY AS WELL.

AND I'M CONCERNED A SAFETY CONCERN WITH TRAFFIC.

AS MR. CRUZ JUST MENTIONED.

UH, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE ALSO, UH, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE COMING OUT, PULLING OUT FROM TRAVIS LANE WITH THEIR VOICES, UH, INTO OUR LANE AND WE'VE HAD TO LITERALLY SLAM ON THE BRAKES TO PEOPLE HITTING US.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN BEHIND THESE TRUCKS AND HORSE TRAILERS OR TRAILERS WITH THE HORSES HANGING OUT, WHICH IS VERY UNSAFE.

BUT THE HORSE TRAILER IS DOING THIS AS WELL, VERY UNSAFE.

UH, I DID DRIVE DOWN THERE MYSELF, UH, WITNESSED ALL THE BEER BOTTLES THAT ARE LAYING DOWN IN THE DITCHES.

TOOK PICTURES OF THAT I COULDN'T PRINT.

BUT, UM, IT CONCERNS ME AND I'M AWARE OF THE ACCIDENTS THEY JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

UM, THERE WAS A DEATH A FEW MONTHS AGO.

UNDERSTAND, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT SOMEONE DYING.

UM, THIS RACETRACK, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS OWNED BY THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S OWNED ONE OVER ON 1 1 18.

UH, HE WAS CLOSED DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S THE SAME OWNER FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND HE HAS.

AND I WOULD STILL LIKE THE COURT NEEDS TO TAKE CITIZEN OF TON COUNTY AND THEIR RESPECT, THEIR SAFETY AND THEIR CONCERNS AND GET SOMEONE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR SOMEONE TO LOOK INTO THIS AND UH, TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS OUT THERE ON THE HIGHWAY AND ON THE PRIVATE LANE.

AND UH, THE LAST PERSON I HAVE ON MY LIST SIGNED IN SPEECH IS JUDY, JOSIE.

MS. JOSIE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE TOPIC OF THE ROAD THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.

YES, JUDGE.

AND IF I MAY JUST ADDRESS ONE OTHER ISSUE THAT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA FORUM, YOU CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I'LL JUST SAY GOOD MORNING JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME.

I'D LIKE TO, UH, RAISE A POINT WITH MR. THOMAS WITH DUE RESPECT, SIR, I'M A MEMBER OF THE TEA PARTY OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND I AM NOT A RADICAL.

AND ALSO YOU ACCUSED OUR COMMISSIONER OF MR. ROSALE OF BEING A WHISTLE BLOWER EARLIER THIS MORNING, BUT JUST DON'T BE SO CERTAIN THAT HE WAS THE WHISTLE BLOWER.

THANK YOU.

NOT SAY THAT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER ROSALE FOR THE FINE WORK HE'S DOING IN PRECINCT ONE, OUR RHODES.

I FINALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN DRIVE ON MOST OF THEM AFTER THE GOOD JOB THAT HE AND HIS CREW HAVE DONE OF REPAVING THEM.

I KNOW OTHER GOOD WORK IS BEING DONE IN THE COUNTY BY THE OTHER PRECINCT

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AND I JUST THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

VERY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THE UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

IS ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.

AND I, THE ONLY THING I HAVE IN THE, UH, WAY OF ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE IS THAT I RECEIVED THIS MORNING VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE A BARBECUE BRI DINNER AND LIVE AUCTION ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24TH.

SO I WANTED MAKE TO THAT IF YOU WISH.

OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW.

IT IS MY INTENT THAT WE WILL DISCUSS, UH, AS MANY AS WE'LL DISCUSS ALL OF THESE ITEMS, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK, BEFORE WE ENTER INTO CLOSED SESSION HERE, JUST IN A LITTLE WHILE.

SO, THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THAT IS MADE TO ACCEPT MINUTES FOR THE AUGUST 25TH, 2015 MEETING, THE SEPTEMBER THE SECOND 2015 MEETING, AND THE SEPTEMBER 14TH, CONSIDER APPROVING ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE FARMER'S ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE TO CONSTRUCT ELECTRICAL LINES WITHIN THE DALTON COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY AT THE, UH, CORNER OF, UH, CORNER OF DIAMOND ACRES AND NEIL ROAD IN CA, COUNTY PRECINCT.

NUMBER TWO, ITEM C IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING POLICY ON THE, UH, KAMAN COUNTY PAYROLL CHANGES.

AND THEN ITEM D IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A REQUEST FROM THE HIGH POINT WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION TO INSTALL AND DOOR FOR WATERLINE ACROSS THE SAMUEL, UH, ROAD IN KAMAN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE.

DO ANY OF THE COURT MEMBERS HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ANY OF THESE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I HAVE, WE NEED TO MAKE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NAME CHANGE TO THE SEPTEMBER 14 MINUTES FROM LYNETTE FULLER TO ELL FORWARD.

AND I WOULD ASK THAT IF THE COURT LOOKS AT MAYBE SOME SORT OF COURT RULE, THEY WOULD PLEASE HAVE THE PERSON COME UP, SAY THEIR NAME, AND THEN SPELL IT.

IT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN TELL IT'S PART READ WRITING ON THESE.

RIGHT.

WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT.

I HAVE THE SIGN IN SHEET, WE PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU AND, UH, IT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND WE THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT TODAY.

I, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE.

WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.

COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECOND MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ALL SAY, AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NEXT ITEM, ITEM THREE.

AND, UH, THAT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING A DONATION FROM CARL AND WENDY THOMAS, A MONETARY LABOR MATERIALS AND IN KIND DONATIONS FOR THE ERECTION OF A MEMORIAL FOR THE COUNTY FALLEN OFFICERS BE LOCATED AT THE COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER PURSUANT TO CODE 81 3 2.

DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM ON THE AGENDA? WE'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME, OBVIOUSLY, UH, DURING THE OPENING FORUM PART OF THE MEETING, BUT, UH, MR DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UH, SINCE I WAS PERSONALLY ATTACKED BY MR. THOMAS, UM, FOR SOME REASON, UM, I JUST WANT TO LET THE COURT, THE PUBLIC BE ON RECORD, UM, THAT I WAS ALERTED ABOUT THE, UH, WEDNESDAY NIGHT, SEPTEMBER 31ST, THAT SOME TYPE OF MEMORIAL OR LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT BEEN PLANNED AT THE JAIL, UH, FOR THURSDAY MORNING AT EIGHT 30 AND HAVING PREVIOUSLY MISSED A SIMILAR, UH, SERVICE THAT I THINK THE FLAG POLE, UM, BECAUSE, UH, FOR LACK OF INVITATION, UH, I INTENDED TO SHOW MY SUPPORT AND GRATITUDE FOR EDUCATED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BY ATTENDING UPON ARRIVAL.

HOWEVER, I DISCOVERED THAT A CONCRETE SLAB AND SIDEWALK HAD ALREADY BEEN POURED COURT, BUT A BIGGER SURPRISE WAS A STATEMENT BY LINDA THOMAS THAT SHE WAS BUILDING A MONUMENT MEMORIAL TO HONOR HER BROTHER.

UH, AND IT WAS ON COUNTY PROPERTY.

UH, THIS WAS WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT APPROVAL.

UH, I IMMEDIATELY CONFERRED WITH OUR COMMISSIONER'S COURT COUNSEL ABOUT THIS AND, UH, WAS ASSURED THAT IT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S COURT MEETING.

UH, I DON'T APPRECIATE THE POSITION THAT THIS PUTS THE COMMISSION IN.

UH, I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THIS APPEARS TO THE CITIZENS, UM, WITH THIS BLATANT DISREGARD OF AUTHORITY OF THIS COURT.

HOPEFULLY THE CITIZENS CAN NOW UNDERSTAND, UM, THE DISTRUST THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS.

UM, IF I CAN'T TRUST EVERYTHING THAT OFFICIALS TELL

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US, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO TRUST ANYTHING.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK TOGETHER FOR OUR CITIZENS OR TAXPAYERS TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE, NOT HAVE OUR OWN POLITICAL AGENDA, UM, THE MACON COUNTY GOVERNMENT, REALLY MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT HAS TO BE.

UM, I PRAY THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE.

UM, I THINK WE SHOULD THOROUGHLY DISCUSS ANY SUCH PROJECT BEFORE WE MAKE THESE KIND OF DECISIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHO'S TO BE HONORED.

IS IT ALL PAST LAW ENFORCEMENT? IS IT ONE PARTICULAR OFFICER? IS IT OFFICERS KILLED AND DUTY AND MR. MYS RELATED? WHAT ABOUT OUR MOST RECENT HISTORY? OUR, OUR SLATE, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

UM, YOU KNOW, I SUGGESTED, UM, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE BOND ELECTION FOR THE COURTS BUILDING, UH, BUILDING OF MEMORIAL INSIDE THE BUILDING OR POSSIBLY ON THE LANDSCAPE, UM, AT THE BUILDING TO, TO HONOR, UM, THESE DEDICATED OFFICIALS.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.

UM, AND, AND MY HOPE IS THAT MY BELIEF IS THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE THIS.

UH, I KNOW I WOULD.

I I THINK THIS COULD BE A REALLY GROUND THING.

I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, WITH THE PROPER STEPS.

I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE LOCATION.

I KNOW THAT, UH, WE NOW HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR THE JAIL AND TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY FUTURE BUILDINGS.

WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE SITE.

PERHAPS IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE, UH, PROPOSED, UM, PORTS BUILDING AT SOME POINT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEFINITE SPOT FOR IT.

POSSIBLY WE COULD WORK IT INTO THE LANDSCAPE OF THE NEW PORTS BUILDING, MAKE IT A PART OF IT, MAKE IT A REALLY GRAND THING.

MYSELF, I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE BLACK.

I THINK WE NEED TO, TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND DISCUSS THE COMMISSION COURT AND HAVE A WORKSHOP ON IT WHERE WE CAN GET EVERYBODY'S INPUT, POSSIBLY FORM A COMMITTEE FOR CITIZENS THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THIS AND GIVE THEIR SUGGESTIONS.

AND, AND I SAY THIS, LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN.

AND, AND TWO, LIKE, UH, OTHER INDIVIDUAL STATED, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S AT AND WE HAVE IRRIGATION TO IT OR ELECTRICITY LINING.

UM, I I JUST THINK IT'S TIME TO STOP DOING THINGS HAPHAZARDLY AND NOW ORDER AND PUT SOME THOUGHT AND PLANNING INTO IT.

AND, UM, THIS, THE BASICNESS AND SECRECY AND POLITICAL POSTURE IS VERY UNPRODUCTIVE AND FRANKLY MAKES THE CITIZENS, UM, DISCUSS IT AND I THINK DISTRUST THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE COULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION WORKSHOP ON MEETING FORM THE COMMITTEE.

AND, UH, DO IT FROM LET'S DO IT, RIGHT.

WE'RE GONNA DO IT.

LET'S DO IT.

RIGHT.

LET'S NOT EXCLUDE ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTY THAT WOULD TO PARTICIPATE TO PARTICIPATE.

AND , WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER ROSALE, THIS ITEM TO BE TABLE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? JUDGE? I, I'M ON CALL FOR DISCUSSION AS SOON AS I HAVE A SECOND.

DO I HAVE A SECOND TO COMMISSIONER? UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, SECOND MOTION.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER.

UH, SINCE UH, THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP THIS MORNING, UH, I WAS, UH, GIVEN OR SENT A COPY OF AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED ON THE WEBSITE OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY TEA PARTY.

AND IT'S RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION THIS MORNING BECAUSE IT ACCUSES, UH, ME AND COMMISSIONER JACKIE ALLEN OF BEING INVOLVED IN AN ILLEGAL ACT.

AND I'LL JUST READ, I'M NOT GONNA READ THE WHOLE THING TO YOU.

YOU'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE COUNTY WEBSITE, CAN SEE IT.

THAT'S GOT MY PICTURE, WHICH ACTUALLY IS A PRETTY GOOD LOOKING PICTURE.

I, SO RAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

BUT IT SAYS, A WHISTLEBLOWER HAS INFORMED THE DALTON COUNTY TEA PARTY THAT THE INSTRUCTION OF A MEMORIAL HAS BEGUN ON COUNTY PROPERTY NEAR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR JAIL WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OR PERMISSION OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

THAT'S TRUE.

IT ONLY, OR IT APPEARS THAT THE ONLY COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE AWARE OF THE PROJECT WERE COUNTY JUDGE BRUCE WOOD AND COMMISSIONER JAKE ALLEN.

THAT IS NOT TRUE ON MY PART.

COMMISSIONER.

IS THAT TRUE ON YOUR

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PART? WE WERE ASKED TO ATTEND A PICTURE TAKING CEREMONY THAT MORNING OF, UH, THIS WONDERFUL MEMORIAL THAT IS TO BE ERECTED AT THE, UH, ON THE JAIL SIDE.

UH, I IN NO WAY KNEW THAT CONSTRUCTION HAD STARTED.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UNTIL I GOT OUT OF MY VEHICLE AND WALKED TO THE SITE WHERE THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US THAT HAD OUR PICTURE MADE, INCLUDING COMMISSIONER OCK, WHO YOU ALSO HEARD THIS MORNING.

UH, AND THEN THE ARTICLE WINDS UP SAYING THAT, UH, IT IS TIME FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY TO HOLD WOOD RESPONSIBLE FOR A SERIAL INCOMPETENCE, BRAZEN LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND VISUAL DISREGARD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PAY THE BILLS.

WE SIMPLY, WE CANNOT ALLOW OUR COUNTY CONTINUE TO BE RUN THIS WAY.

THIS IS POLITICS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES AND WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE MISTAKES.

I'M NOT A PERFECT PERSON.

I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPROVING ANY MEMORIAL THAT HAD ALREADY STARTED CONSTRUCTION AT THE KAMAN COUNTY JAIL.

AND, UH, MS. THOMAS, WOULD YOU VERIFY THAT, THAT I WAS NOT CONTACTED ABOUT THIS? YOU WERE NOT CONTACTED NO, SIR.

SHERIFF, WOULD YOU CONTACT YOU? UH, ALSO I DIDN'T CONTACT YOU BY A JUDGE AND NOR WAS COMMISSIONER ALLEN CONTACT NO.

SO, MR. MYERS, THIS, YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT OF THE KA COUNTY TEA PARTY? YES, SIR.

UH, THIS CAME OUT, IT'S NOT SIGNED BY ANYBODY.

I WOULD EXPECT THE RETRACTION, UH, WHETHER YOU WERE WILLING TO DO THAT.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP BECAUSE THAT IS NOT, AND WHEN YOU FIRSTED MY NAME AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER, MR. ALLEN, UH, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.

SO WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION PENDING FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANYONE BEFORE WE VOTE.

JUDGE, DID I SAY SO? YES, SHERIFF, ON YOUR AREA THAT YOU OFFERED? WELL, THIS, THIS IS MY FAULT.

UH, WHEN WENDY CAME TO ME AND TALKED ABOUT THIS AND, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, I FAILED TO TELL HER IT HAD TO BE, UH, COMMON FOR DIRECTOR COURT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT OUR DONATION NOT BEING DONATED TO US.

I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.

SO ALL OF THIS, UH, HOORAH HERE IS, IS MY FAULT.

UH, NOT INTENTIONALLY WITH OVERSIGHT.

I SHOULD HAVE, UH, ARIS OF THE LAW.

I DID NOT DO THAT.

I DID NOT THINK ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UH, SHE DIDN'T, IN NO WAY WAS TRYING TO BE DECEITFUL OR ANYTHING.

AND I DON'T THINK ANY RATIONAL PERSON WOULD BELIEVE THERE'S SOME GRANT CONSPIRACY WHEN EVERY CRIMINAL COURT JUDGE AND DA WAS INVITED OUT THERE.

I MEAN, IT WAS NOT, UH, I, I PROCEED, I'LL TAKE BLAME FOR IT.

UH, I SHOULD HAVE TOLD HER THAT I DIDN'T DO THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, SUFFERED A GRIEVANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, GRIEVANCE TERMS OF THEIR, UH, FAMILY AND I'VE APOLOGIZED TO THEM ALREADY FOR THAT.

THAT WAS MY FAULT.

THAT THAT'S ALL.

I THANK YOU.

I'LL LET YOU SPEAK SINCE I APOLOGY OUT.

EXCUSE.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

AND THANK YOU SHERIFF FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT HELPS QUITE A BIT.

NUMBER ONE, THE FIRST THING THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN I CAME UP HERE WAS TRANSPARENCY.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT MEMORIAL AT ALL.

NOT, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

AND, AND THE ONE THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT, AND THIS LETTER HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP QUITE A BIT, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND IT'S GOT CAMAN COUNTY KEY PARTY ON IT, AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE CA COUNTY KEY PARTY AND I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

BUT IT DOES SAY DOWN HERE, OUR ENEMIES AND EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE, WILL ATTEMPT TO CHARACTERIZE THE, THE PUSH FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE THOMAS FAMILY LAWS OF THEIR BELOVED BROTHER AND SON.

WE HASTEN TO ASSURE EVERYONE THAT THE TEA PARTY DEEPLY, DEEPLY RESPECTS ALL MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK TO KEEP THEIR HOMES AND BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE.

AND THIS IN NO WAY IS AN ATTEMPT TO BEMIS OF MEMORY OF SKIP THOMAS.

THAT'S HIM THE LETTER.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE GRIEF AND I REALLY DO.

THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S ALL OF US.

I HAVE SON MYSELF, AND WE ALL DO.

AND SO, UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE

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THAT CLEAR THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE THE TITLE STANDS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY QUESTION TO YOU, SIR, IS WHY BEFORE YOU SEND OUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHY WOULD YOU NOT AT LEAST GIVE COURTESY AND CALL ME AND ASK ME BEFORE YOU PRINT SOMETHING OR ASK THE COMMISSIONER BEFORE WE PRINT SOMETHING THAT IS SERIALLY UNTRUE? WELL, I'M NOT SURE IT'S UNTRUE, JUDGE.

I'M SURE IT'S UNRU AND WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS THE COMMERS DIDN'T KNOW, AND THE SHERIFF, YOU SAID, I KNEW AND WELL, AND PUSHED IT TO HOW, WELL IF, HOW DO YOU HIDE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN FRONT OF THE JAIL? HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WHAT PURPOSE WOULD I HAVE OR COMMISSIONER ALLEN HAVE IN DOING THAT? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT, RAY? WHY WOULD, I MEAN, DOES THAT, DO YOU LIKE THE PUBLICITY? NO.

OKAY.

WHY WOULD YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION? WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THERE.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THERE.

THE COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.

I'M SORRY.

I'M ALRIGHT.

GOOD.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND TO ANY OF THE DISCUSSION FROM ANY MEMBER OF THIS COURT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

I JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS PERSONAL.

I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HIM OR HIS SON OR, OR HIS DAUGHTER.

UM, I DUNNO WHY HE THINKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ARTICLE STEMS FROM ME.

UH, MY QUESTION TO HIM WOULD BE, WHAT, WHAT DOES HE THINK? MY CONNECTION THIS? I JUST, I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND SHOWED UP AND SAW EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL SAW.

AND MY QUESTION TO HIM TODAY AND HIS DAUGHTER IS WHY WASN'T THE ENTIRE COURT? MR. YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, I DO.

UM, I JUST KIND OF DIDN'T LISTENING TO ALL OF IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF IT.

SO, UH, UNTIL I SAW IT OVER AGAIN AND, UH, I SURE APOLOGIZE.

YOU KNOW, AND I, SORRY Y'ALL, BUT IN MY RESPECT, WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THE PLANS OF SOMETHING GOING ON IN COUNTY LAND, UH, AND INVOLVE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

NOT, NOT NECESSARILY.

IT SHOULDN'T.

I'M ALL FOR MEMORIAL.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.

UH, BUT I THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO INVOLVE MORE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DEDICATED TO THE RIGHT CAUSE AND THE RIGHT PERSON AND THE RIGHT THINGS.

AND MY FOLDER WAS EMPTY ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

I, I SAW NOTHING ON THE AGENDA.

I I HAD NOTHING GO BACK EXCEPT WHAT I, I HEARD THIS MORNING.

UM, SO I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I'M LEFT OUT THERE THERE.

IS IT FAIR? I DON'T KNOW.

I'M ASKING SOMEBODY FOUNDATION.

I WISH SOMEBODY INCLUDED.

I BEEN MR. SHANK.

I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.

UH, WHEN I WAS IN DALLAS WORKING, I HAD ABOUT FOUR IN DALLAS POLICE AND SI HAD ALL THE, THE BS FEDERALS OFFICE, FEDERAL DISTRICT, COULD THE FEDERAL JUDGE DOWN.

LOTS OF PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY PUT THEIR LIVES MINE EVERY DAY FOR US AND FOR US.

I DIDN'T EVEN GET THEM ADVICE TO THIS.

AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S VERY, I I'VE BEEN VERY IMPORTANT POLICE.

I YESTERDAY NOT, I DIDN'T GET BACK, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT WE GONNA DO SOMETHING RIGHT? I WANT US TO FORM A COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS IN COUNTY AND DO THIS UPRIGHT AND MAKE IT THE RIGHT THING.

COMMISSIONER ALLEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? WELL, I'D LIKE TO ECHO TO, TO RAY OR WHOEVER I, WHAT I KNEW WAS THE DAY I SHOWED UP FOR THE DEDICATION AND THAT'S ALL I KNEW OF IT AND I THOUGHT WAS A PIECE OF BLANK LAND.

SO THAT'S WHAT I KNEW WHEN I GOT THERE, IS A PIECE OF CONCRETE AND IT'S GRAY.

I THINK THE PLAN IS SOMETHING THE COUNTY SHOULD, SHOULD BE RELISH

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AROUND AND WE SHOULD ACCOMPLISH THIS AND MAKE IT BETTER.

MAYBE WHAT THEY HAD ENVISIONED, UH, WITH A LOT OF HELP FROM OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS IN PLACE.

I COMMEND THEM FOR WANTING TO DO SOMETHING AND I'M TIRED OF THINGS KIND OF GOT REVERSED OUT OF ORDER AND CAUSED SUCH A RAH.

BUT WE'RE WHO WE'RE, SO WE NEED TO MAKE DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND MOVE FORWARD AND, AND GET THIS BEHIND US AND WORK TOGETHER.

OKAY? THANK YOU.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY COMMISSIONER LIK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE TO TABLE THIS MATTER.

UH, THIS WILL BE, UH, YOUR ROLL CALL VOTE.

UH, SO I'LL START WITH THIS, UH, UH, SIDE COMMISSIONER, LIK YOUR VOTE IS TABLE.

YES, THE TABLE.

UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, YOUR VOTE IS I'LL, I'LL TABLE IT.

ALSO.

YOUR VOTE? YES.

THE TABLE.

MY VOTE IS NO.

THE TABLE COMMISSIONER? YES.

TABLE COMMISSIONER ALLEN.

QUESTION? QUESTION.

THE PURPOSE OF TABLE, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT I, WHAT'S AND UNDERSTAND THE RULES GOING FORWARD WITH THE, YOU KNOW, I'M AGREEING.

I I I'M SAYING IT SHOULD BE, BUT I WANT MY PACKET EMPTY.

I WISH Y'ALL WOULD'VE GAVE ME SOMETHING.

EXPLAIN TO ME WHO, WHO YOU WANT ON IT.

WHO'S GOING TO BE A, YOU KNOW, RECIPIENT DOWN THE ROAD OF IT.

UH, WHO'S GOING TO SELECT THE PEOPLE THAT GO ON AND AND IS IT IN A, IS IT, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IS IT A PROPER PLACE? IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT SHOULD BE OUT INTO, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE BE IN A GRANDER PLACE THAN IT IS.

HOW MANY PEOPLE VISIT THE JAIL AND WHERE IT'S AT THE JAIL NOW.

HOW MANY PEOPLE VISIT THE JAIL? I DON'T.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

THE ONLY PEOPLE GOING IN, I'M TRYING NOT KIND.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD, BUT I SPEAK ONE QUESTION.

SURE.

UH, DID.

OKAY.

MR. ALLEN, I'LL, THE STIPULATION YOUR MOTION WAS TO TABLE IT.

I'LL HAVE TO PUT A TIME TABLE.

WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS A TIME TABLE PUT ON IT, UH, WHERE IT'S NOT DRUG OUT SOMETHING SO QUICKLY.

UH, AND I THINK ONE OR TWO OF THE COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE THERE.

MAKE SURE THAT THEREFORE WE'RE KEPT IN THE LOOP LIKE WE ALL WANNA BE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'D LIKE TO BE KEPT IN THE THINK THEY SHOULD BE IN.

IT'S YOUR MONEY.

NO ERROR ABOUT THAT.

CAN I SPEAK? CAN I SPEAK? SURE.

OKAY.

SO I'M VICKY THOMAS AND I APPARENTLY THE, THE SUBJECT OF ALL THE, THE CONTROVERSY WHEN I APPROACHED THE SHERIFF, MY FATHER WAS THE SHERIFF OF DALLAS COUNTY.

HIS FATHER BEFORE HIM SERVED UNDER SHERIFF DECKER.

WE ARE A LONGSTANDING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUPPORTING THE FAMILY.

THIS WAS ERECTED BECAUSE I APPROACHED THE SHERIFF ABOUT DOING THAT.

WE TALKED ABOUT NEW MEMORIAL FOR THE DEPUTIES WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY.

UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT SINCE MY BROTHER PASSED AWAY FOUR YEARS AGO.

MY MOTHER IS NOT, WELL, MY FATHER JUST SUFFERED HIS FOURTH TIA ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.

AND I WANTED TO SEE THIS ESTABLISHED BEFORE EITHER ONE OF 'EM PASSED.

AND I DID APPROACH THE SHERIFF.

I DID KIND OF PUSH IT FOR THAT REASON ONLY.

IT'S NOT POLITICAL, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE POLITICAL, IT'S TO, I'M SORRY.

IT'S TO HONOR ANYONE WHO SERVED IN THEIR CAPACITY OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

WHERE ELSE WOULD YOU PUT A MEMORIAL FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T SERVE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OTHER THAN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, THE VFW, THE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF PEOPLE WERE NOT INVITED, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO VIOLATE ANY OPEN RECORDS MEETING REQUIREMENTS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON OR, OR THE JUDGE AT THE SAME SITE OR ALSO TWO PEOPLE.

WE HAD THE TWO, THAT'S WHY NO ONE ELSE WAS INCLUDED.

IT WAS A PICTURE, IT WASN'T A DEDICATION, IT WAS A PICTURE OF THE PRESS RELEASE ACTUALLY.

AND IT, WHY ARE YOU GONNA TRY AND HIDE SOMETHING IF IT'S A, IF IT'S GONNA BE IN THE PAPER? I MEAN IT, I DIDN'T COMMUNICATE FULLY.

I, I DID TALK TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT'S ALL I NEED

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TO DO.

AND AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW OUR DONATION.

MY BROTHER WAS A NON-CONTROVERSIAL PERSON AND I'M NOT GONNA HAVE MY FAMILY'S NAME DRUG DOWN ANYMORE BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT OR RESPECT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I WANNA WITHDRAW.

THANK YOU.

MOTION, UH, COMMISSION YOUR ROLE AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

UH, YOUR HONOR, I MIGHT SAY IF IN FACT SHE'S GOING TO WITHDRAW HER DONATION, THE, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING A DONATION.

IF, IF IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NO LONGER A TENDER DONATION AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAID, IF IN FACT THAT'S RIGHT, THEN ANY VOTE IS MOVED.

OKAY.

SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS, WE, YOU'RE DONE.

WE SHOULD NOT EVEN TABLE IT.

YEP.

THERE'S NOTHING TO TABLE BASED ON, BASED ON THE ADVICE FROM THE DA'S OFFICE AND THE STATEMENT BY, UH, UH, MRS. THOMAS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS OUT WILL BE, UH, NOT VOTED ON.

AND, UH, TRULY A SAD DAY IN THE HISTORY OF C COUNTY GOVERNOR THIS OCCURRED.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS, UH, ITEM, UH, MY CAMERA.

THIS IS A LITTLE, UH, EASIER SUBJECT PERHAPS FOR US, UH, TO TALK WITH.

HE'S GONNA DELIVER, NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING.

MY THANK FOR WAITING AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, UH, UH, FROM MCC COFFMAN COUNTY CHILDREN, THE SHELTER FOUNDATION, WHICH YOU'RE A UH, GROUP MEETING THIS MORNING REGARDING A PROPOSAL FOR FUNDING FOR THE SHELTER.

SHELTER.

CORRECT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND WISH WASTE.

GOOD MORNING.

ALL I'M DOING IS YOU SHOULD HAVE A PACKET FOR THIS.

UH, WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING AS YOU CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY, WHICH WILL ADD EIGHT SPACES, UH, OF, UH, PARKING, WHICH WE NEED ACTUALLY.

WE'LL ALSO FREE THE FIRE ZONE UP AND BETTER VISIBILITY COMING IN AND OUT.

THE, OF THE AREA WHERE THE FILTER IS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THE SHELTER SITS SOMEWHAT DOWN AND SO IT'S HARD TO SEE IF YOU'RE GETTING OUT.

SO ANYWHERE THAT WILL HELP THAT IT'S 20 FOOT CIRCULAR DRIVE.

AND THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE RAISING FUNDS FOR NOW OR WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR Y'ALL TO FUND WHATEVER WE CAN CONTRIBUTE.

COMMISSIONER SAYS, YOU REMEMBER WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDS.

EXPLAIN WE'VE NOT, WE HAD A REQUEST SIMILAR, SIMILAR REQUEST FROM THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER RECENTLY AND THIS IS THE SECOND REQUEST.

AND SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH MR. CANON BEFORE WE UH, HE'S NOT ASKING FOR ACTION, HE'S JUST THIS TO US AS A, UH, AS A REQUEST.

DID WE GO PROCESS? WE HAVE ONE BID BID JACK, WHERE? WELL, I MEAN JACK, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT NEED PROCESS WORK COUNTY BUILDING.

WE'RE GONNA WRITE THE CHECK.

I THINK WE SUPPOSED TO PROBABLY WRITE THE COUNTY CHECK AND WRITE CHECK.

IS THAT CORRECT, JUDGE? I GO AHEAD REBECCA.

'CAUSE YOU'VE DONE THE RESEARCH ON THIS.

SURE.

JUDGE, SOME LIGHT.

GOOD.

WHY IS SOMETHING THAT MAKE THE CHILDREN SELL THEIR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AND PUT INTO THIS, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE THEY REALLY BROUGHT YOU GUYS A PRETTY GOOD ESTIMATE OF WHAT THEY THINK IS GONNA COST.

JACK REMINDED ME.

YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA ACCUMULATE A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA CONSIDERED PUBLIC WORSE.

I THINK IT PROBABLY DOES RISE THAT LEVEL MONETARILY.

UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T TAKE YOUR BIDDERS THAT YOU HAVE THERE AND UM, ASK THEM TO GO THROUGH OUR ACCOUNTING BID PROCESS.

I THINK LOGICALLY A LOT OF THEM ARE GONNA COME IN FIRST BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN PRETTY GOOD NUMBERS THERE.

UM, BUT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER .

SO ANSWER COMMISSIONER AL'S QUESTION, WE WOULD'VE TO GO TO THE BIDDING PROCESS, BUT WHEN THE CHILDREN SHELTER ASKED US TO GIVE YOU ALL A REAL GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IT COST, THEY WENT THROUGH

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AND GOT A REAL GOOD ESTIMATE.

I WOULD SAY AN EXACT ESTIMATE SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO DO THAT WORK.

I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY STATED FOR THE RECORD WHAT FUND THAT WOULD COME OUTTA.

SO NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS IS THAT CAP FUND.

AND WE'VE ALREADY RELAY THE OPINION THAT WE THOUGHT THE SHELTER WOULD FIT UNDER THAT FOR THIS PROCURE.

SO THIS GIVES THE COURT IDEA THAT WOULD BE, AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IT BACK TO JACK AND THEN HAVE THE BIDS DONE.

WE NO HOW TELL THE SHELTER TO PROVIDE YOU AN IDEA THAT IT WAS BESIDES BIDS AND I ESTIMATE DONATED WHAT THEY WANNA, WHERE DO WE PAY FOR IF IT'S DONATED? WE NEED TO KNOW THE TOTAL COST BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE RECORDED AS AN, AND THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR, BUT THEY'RE ASKING.

IT'S, I APPRECIATE WE'LL FOLLOW UP AND GET BACK.

AND WE HAVE BE USED FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

THE DA'S OFFICE HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE, UH, THAT WE COULD SO ALONG CHILDREN, I HAVE, HAVE TO, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.

YES.

I'LL HAVE MY QUESTION.

I'LL HAVE TO FIX AN ENTRY.

BRING IT OVER.

CORRECT.

$10,000 MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM IS TO DISCUSS CONSIDER RESOLUTION PO COUNTY JUDGE BRUCE SERVE ON THE TEXAS CONFERENCE, URBAN COUNTY 20 16 17 POLICY.

UH, I WAS CONTACTED BY THE URBAN COUNTY GROUP OF WHICH WE ALL A MEMBER, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE.

I'M WILLING TO SERVE AND IT DOES TAKE A FORMAL E OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO APPROVE.

UH, IF YOU AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF ME SERVING ON THAT COURT, UH, I WOULD BE PLEASED TO DO OR SERVING NOT ON THAT COURT, BUT ON THAT BOARD I WOULD BE PLEASED.

NO, I ALL THIS DOES IS FORMAL RESOLUTION, HAS TO BE COMMISSIONER, NO, DON'T DO THIS.

I'M WITH YOU.

OKAY, MR. PHILLIPS? UH, A LITTLE.

MR. PHILLIPS MAKES A MOTION TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE.

SECOND MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL FAIR TO SAY, AYE.

I'LL PASS THIS JURY JUST IN A MOMENT.

THE NEXT ITEM IS TO, UH, DISCUSS.

CONSIDER AWARD RFP NUMBER 0 2 1 5.

PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF PUBLIC ASSISTANCE AND MITIGATION.

MITIGATION GRANTS FROM MCC COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY TO PARTNER.

I'M FIRST AGENT EMERGENCY MANAGER, VA'S OFFICE SERVICES.

WE HAD R WENT OUT AND PUT TOGETHER A AND WE HAD PROPOSALS FROM MASON AND THE 22ND H

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22ND CENTURY ON THAT, I WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, STEVE, YOU ANYTHING ADD? UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD ADD IS THAT, UH, THIS IS TO ASSIST US IN GETTING AS MUCH BACK IN REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE DISASTER RECOVERY EFFORTS AS, AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WE HAVE A MOTION, ALLEN, TO ACCEPT, UH, THIS ITEM? I SECOND MR. PHILLIPS SECONDS MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYBODY'S WORKING.

UH, ALSO FOR, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, COUNTY SAFETY CONCERN RACING RADIO.

SHORT RADIO LOCATED AT THE, YES, THE, THE LADY THAT REQUESTED THIS WAS MAKING THE ATTENDANCE AND I THINK YOU HEARD FROM CITIZENS OF THAT.

UH, AND I REQUESTED THIS, THIS CALL LOG FROM THE SHERIFF TO FIND OUT.

YOU INDEED WERE CALLED OUT WHAT NATURE CALLS WERE THIS ALL THE, THAT, THAT'S ALL JANUARY ONE WHO LAST THURSDAY.

WHEN'S YOUR THURSDAY? JUST FOR THAT PLACE.

THAT'S FOR BOWIE.

RADIO.

ALL ONY LANE AND TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS A, UH, UP OUT THERE.

WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, DEDICATE RESOURCES OUT THERE TO, THEY COME OUT AND HELP.

THE PROBLEM IS PER IS NOT ILLEGAL.

UH, THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF LEGAL THINGS GOING ON IN THERE DOWN LET AWAY, BUT, UH, WE, UH, WHAT WE CAN WE GO, YOU POLICY YOU COULD HAVE IS ON JANUARY 10TH, 2015 AT UH, 1 22.

AND THE COMPLAINT IS VEHICLE BLOCKING ROAD, CARS BLOCKING DRIVE, TRYING TO GET THE DRIVEWAY CALL AT 1326 OR 1 26.

DEPUTY WENT OUT AND HE SPOKE WITH, UH, THEY HAVE OFF DUTY, I BELIEVE THEY SMITH COUNTY OFFICER WORKING SECURITY INSIDE THERE.

HE SPOKE ONE SECURITY OFFICERS AND ASKED THEM TO GET OUT HERE AND DIRECT THE PUBLIC ROADWAY.

THE PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY IN LINE OF TRAFFIC.

THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO OTHER THAN TRY TO GET THEM DO THAT.

SECOND ONE WE HAVE IS ON UH, FEBRUARY THE EIGHTH.

IT'S AT 6:38 PM WHEN IT'S AN ASSAULT.

UH, COMPLAIN WAS AN ASSAULT WAS NOT DMS WITH ESPECIALLY DEPUTY BOTH HARBOR ON SCENE.

UH, OBJECTION.

MCKENZIE GOT THERE AT, UH, 6 58.

I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT.

THIS IS WHAT I GOT OFF APRIL 19TH.

THE NEXT CALL, PUBLIC SERVICE, A TELEPHONE CALL.

THREE TWO.

THE NEXT ONE IS ON FOUR 19.

UH, VEHICLE LOCKED THE ROADWAY

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CALL LOCK.

LOCK CAN GET RESIDENT TRAFFIC BACK.

7 28 CARLISLE.

AGAIN, I GOT THERE.

TWO NINE TRAFFIC SIX THREE 9:00 PM ONE.

CLEARED BY PUBLIC SERVICE WITH PHONE CALL, UH, TO KNOW IF THEY'RE PEOPLE HAVE THE HEART PLACE AGAIN, CARLISLE CONTACT THEM.

CONTACT THE CALL SHERIFF.

THEY CIVIL AROUND THAT.

NEXT ONE IS ON, UH, SIX 22:08 PM OUT.

COW CAN SEE THERE THAT, UH, ROUND OUT, DON'T I? DON'T WE EVER FOUND A COW THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE WHERE WE CALLED, CONTACTED PEOPLE AND FINALLY DID LOCATE THE HORSE ON AUGUST 25TH.

DROVE THERE WAS NO CALL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UH, NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

THEY MAY HAVE BEEN CALLING ME PATROL BECAUSE OF THE, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN CALLED BE OUT TOWN.

PEOPLE CALLED IN WHEN THEY GENERIC.

UH, THE NEXT ONE IS ON, UH, P 1 3 57 PATROL TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE.

TRAFFIC SIDE, PATROL LANE, NO LARGE AMOUNT TRAFFIC OR WERE OBSERVED.

TRAFFIC CONTROL, WEAPONS DRIVER, VEHICLE TRAFFIC, PARDON THE RADIO STATION.

WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO KEEP OUR OUT BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T KEEP SOMEBODY OUT THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY SYMPATHETIC.

UH, IT WOULD BE A BIG BURDEN ON, WE PROBABLY SEIZED ABOUT TWO 12 BIG RIGS AND GOT ALL THAT STUFF OUT THERE.

I NO, I, IF I GAVE MONEY BACK OR NOT.

WE, ANYWAY, THIS, THIS IS A, A THING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE ACT ITSELF IS NOT, NOT A VIOLATION, BUT THERE ARE, I'M SURE IT ALMOST HAVE TO BE AN UNDER PARDON? IT WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO BE AN UNDER.

OH YEAH.

AND IT, AND IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF RESOURCES TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OUT THERE ALMOST EVERY TIME TRY TO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE, UH, AND TYPICAL WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY'RE TAKING BETS ALONG THE RAIL AND THEY OFF ALONG THE RAIL.

SO YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY THERE.

AND WE, WE GOT QUITE FRANKLY, THERE'S OFFICERS OUT THERE THAT ARE FACILITATING CRIMINAL ACTION'S.

YOU CONTACT TEXAS RACING COMMISSION, THOSE GUYS COME OUT THERE, HAVE A TRAINER'S LICENSE FOR AMU TRACK.

THEY CAN TAKE THEM AWAY FROM THEM.

WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LICENSE OUT.

THERE'S WHAT THEY CALL THAT'S DEAL DON'T DRIVER'S LICENSE.

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WE TRY TO, BUT YOU, THAT DEPENDS ON OUR CALL LOAD AND HOW WE GOT ON.

AND UH, I SAY WHEN, WHEN THE HIGHWAY PATROL WAS NOT HAVING TO ROTATE SO MUCH TO THE BORDER, KNOW THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, MOST THESE CALLS ARE MADE VERY QUICKLY.

WE'RE IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER.

SO WE GOT SOMEBODY, UH, IN THE AREA, I THINK ON A COUPLE.

WE WERE, WE WERE, WERE RIGHT THERE ON THE STREET SOMEWHERE.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT THOSE WATER BAGS, TRAILERS BACKED UP TO, YOU KNOW, 27, 28 ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE AND PEOPLE COMING OUT, IT'S PRETTY HARD.

THREE TENTHS OF A MILE TRAFFIC.

THAT'S WHY I AGREE.

I WOULD BE VERY UPSET.

I LEGALLY DO.

IT WOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN BEING TWO TRAFFIC.

BUT WE DO NORMALLY TRY TO CONTACT, UH, SECURITY PEOPLE AND ASK THEM TO, YOU KNOW, GET OUT AND HELP PEOPLE GET OUT.

WHAT ABOUT THERE ORGANIZATION, LIKE THE HUMANE SOCIETY OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT TAKES CARE OF THE ANIMALS? I'M SURE THEY'RE OUT THERE.

I, YOU KNOW, THEY VIOLATION.

THEY WILL, WE, IF I HAVE ANOTHER SOLUTION I WOULD CONCERNED.

REAL PROBLEM.

ALRIGHT, SO AS WE MOVE ALONG, IS THERE ANY ACTIONS THAT YOU HAD IN MIND? WELL, I WAS JUST BASICALLY ASKING FOR SOME PATROL UNITS THEY PUT OUT THERE ON RACE DAYS.

I THINK THAT'S, I I MEAN I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE BEING UPSET.

OH I DON'T, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT, I WISH THAT THE PERSON THAT ASKED YOU TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY.

THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE DISCUSSION.

UH, WE'RE GONNA DO ONE OTHER ITEM AND THEN WE WILL TAKE A BREAK BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION LIKE I HOPE TO.

WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND THAT IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT TO DISCUSS INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN LUBBOCK COUNTY AND THE COUNTY OFFICE PUBLIC S THIS IS THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH THE, UH, WE CALL IT MURDER INSURANCE, UH, WHERE YOU COUNTY PROVIDES AND IN OUR CASE WORKED OUT VERY, VERY WELL FOR.

SO THE QUESTION, IF YOU WISH TO CONSIDER THIS AGREEMENT, OUR COST ACTUALLY WENT DOWN, I BELIEVE THIS YEAR, THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR.

AND I'VE ALREADY GOT IT IN BUDGET AND THE STATE ACTUALLY IN SOME MONEY TO SO THAT THE COUNTIES WEREN'T HAVING TO PAY ALL OF IT.

SO OUR COSTS WENT DOWN A LIFESAVER.

UH, FRIDAY, UH, I HAD SOMETHING ACROSS, COME ACROSS MY LIST SIR.

UM, ASKING ABOUT WAS THIS INSURANCE AND UH, THE COUNTY HAD THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HAD DECIDED NOT TO JOIN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T RAISE THE 24,000.

THEY COULDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY COULD SPARE AND THEY WIND UP HAVING LIKE THREE CAPITAL MURDERS WITHIN THE LAST TWO MONTHS.

AND THEY'RE SAYING THEY WISH THEY HAD BEEN.

YOU JOIN, NO, NOT YES, LIKE INSURANCE.

WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE ON SHANE? UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

VOTE.

WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT 15 MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK.

I HAVE TO GO.

OKAY.

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COURT BACK TO UH, ORDER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I KNOW THE, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY NEEDS TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING.

I MOMENTARILY AND SO, UH, I THINK NO JUDGE, I'VE BEEN HERE.

NOT MOMENTARILY I'M HERE.

OKAY, YOU'RE HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT.

I'M HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO GO AN EXECUTIVE.

YEAH, I NEED TO CONDUCT, YEAH, A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE CASE, SIR.

THAT'S FINE.

UH, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER NINE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER TERMINATING A COUNTY CONTRACT WITH LAUDER DOGGING LARRY SAMPSON FOR COLLECT OF THE FINES AND FEES FOR JUSTICE OF FEES PRECINCT THREE AND PRECINCT FOUR.

I BELIEVE JUDGE ADAMS IS HERE THIS MORNING.

I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM LINE HERE AS WELL.

YES SIR.

UH, SURE DO.

UH, MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS MOVE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.

WE JUST DIDN'T WAKE UP ON MORNING.

HE SAID, OH, LET'S CHANGE.

BUT WE'VE BEEN, UH, DISCUSSING THIS EVER SINCE Y'ALL APPROVED CONTRACT WITH PURDUE 3, 6, 1 TO TWO AND WE DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING AGAINST LINEBERG THAT WHATSOEVER DEATH, UH, WAIVE ANYBODY THERE.

WE JUST WEREN TRYING TO GET ALL DEBTORS ONE GROUP AND OUR COLLECTION AGENCY AND WE DECIDED TO GO WITH PURDUE.

ALSO, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, REBECCA, UM, TO GET THE CONTRACT UP, UH, GET A CONTRACT FROM PURDUE AND UH, GET A LETTER, UH, TO BE SENT TO LINEBERGER HOPING THEY'LL LET US ON A 30 DAY 5,000 CONTRACT.

I THINK NORMALLY REBECCA SAID THERE'S 60, BUT WE WOULD LIKE 30 DAYS THAT ALL POSSIBLE.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THIS GREAT COMPANY.

WE'VE BEEN WITH THEM EVER SINCE I TOOK OFFICE.

UH, WE HAVE NO DROP WHATSOEVER.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ONE AND TWO ALL BE ONE WITH ONE COMPANY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING Y'ALL DO IS TO TERMINATE CONTRACT A NEW CONTRACT.

OKAY.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JUDGE ADAM BEFORE HE SITS DOWN? UH, NEXT WOULD BE, UH, WADE JIM, WHO IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ER FIRM AND, UH, COMMENTS.

AND SO WE'LL JUDGE, UH, FIRST LEMME START OFF BY SAYING THAT IT IS, IT'S BEEN OUR HONOR PRIVILEGE TO REPRESENT COUNTY NOT ONLY IN THE REALM OF THE DELINQUENT ALSO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER BEFORE VOTING ON THIS ISSUE.

FIRST, UH, WHEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, THIS CONTRACT CAME UP FOR A BIT AND, AND THE, UH, SUBMISSIONS WERE MADE AND THERE WAS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS.

I THINK IT TOOK ABOUT SIX MONTHS, PRETTY MUCH TIME.

THERE WAS COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE APPOINTED AND PRESENTATIONS GIVEN ALL THE DATA WITH RESPECT TO PAST PERFORMANCE, NOT ONLY COFFMAN COUNTY, BUT COMPARATIVE NUMBERS BETWEEN THE FIRMS AND OTHER COUNTIES.

AND PURDUE AND LEBARON WORKED WITH AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF OTHER FIRMS MADE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THAT LENGTHY PROCESS, WHICH I RECALL WAS QUITE PAINFUL FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE RECOMMENDED TO KEEP ALL PRECINCTS WITH FLYING BARTER, UH, AT THAT TIME KIND AN AGREEMENT WAS MADE THAT IT MIGHT BE MORE BENEFICIAL IN TERMS OF REVENUE TO HAVE THE INCREASING SPLIT SO THAT UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME COMPETITION BETWEEN THE FIRMS MAYBE PROMOTE REVENUE ANYWAY.

AND SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WE ENDED UP SPLITTING THE FIRST PLACE.

UH, BUT NOW FAST FORWARD HERE WE ARE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY PROCUREMENT PROCESS HAS BEEN DONE AND UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT, SO IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO GO UP WITH BID IN THE WAY THAT OTHER TYPES OF WORK THAT COUNTY WOULD.

UH, BUT IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THIS WAS DONE VERY FAIRLY RECENTLY AND UH, AND THAT ALL OF THE DATA WAS COLLECTED AND EXAMINED, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO THE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, I KNOW THAT THAT JUDGE ADAMS INDICATED THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED FOR A WHILE, BUT AS FAR AS WE WERE, WE KNEW EVERYTHING.

WE WERE DOING A GREAT JOB.

THE COUNTY, EVERYTHING WAS GOING FINE.

THE FIRST WE HEARD OF THIS WAS LAST WEEK WHEN IT SHOWED UP ON THE AGENDA.

SO, UM, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD WOULD REQUEST IS, UH, THAT COMMISSIONERS TABLE THIS ISSUE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO, TO COMPETE OR WE'RE GOING TO COMPARE, LET'S COMPARE APPLES VERSUS APPLES SURE THAT ALL THE DATA MATCHES AND THAT WE CAN COMPARE NUMBERS.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR THE COURTS AS WELL AS THIS COURT IS, IS IT GOING TO

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INCREASE REVENUE IN FOR COUNTY? AND I FEEL LIKE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING FOR THE COUNTY SUPPORT REMAINING WITH, UM, AND I THINK THAT ONCE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS WITH REGARD TO COMPARING THE SAME DATA BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME SNAFUS WITH RESPECT TO HOW GETS COLLECTED AND SOME PRECINCTS AND SO FORTH.

SO I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS AND, AND, AND NOT JUST IN FAIRNESS TO THE FIRMS INVOLVED, BUT ALSO AS TAXPAYER, THAT'S IN FAIRNESS TO TAXPAYERS, THE COURT, UH, WE WOULD REQUEST THE COURT TABLE THIS HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR LONGER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE COURT WITH DATA SO THAT THE DECISION CAN BE MADE WITH REGARD TO NOT POLITICS, NOT A QUESTION OF WHO LIKES TO DO BETTER, BUT A QUESTION OF WHO'S GOING BE MOST EFFECTIVE AT GENERATING MORE REVENUE FOR COUNTY.

AND BELIEVE THAT ONCE THEY SEE THE, THAT KEEPING THE CONTRACTS WITH LOBAR IS GOING BENEFIT COUNTY MORE DETERMINE.

UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL.

UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATA WITH ME BECAUSE THE COURT HAS ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'D LIKE JUDGE ADAM OR JUDGE ADAM.

YEAH, I'D LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO THE, UH, YOU'RE THE ONE, NOT ME.

I'M SORRY.

YES SIR.

IT IS OUR OFFICES TO DO THIS QUESTIONS AND FEES AND EVERYTHING AND IT'S NOT JUST, I DON'T DO THEM, BUT THIS, THIS IS GONNA LAY ALONG WITH OTHER LADIES IN THE OFFICE, WORK WITH HIM EVERY DAY AND DO ALL THE DOCUMENTATION.

UH, AGAIN, I TEXTED JEFF BROWN, UH, LAST WEEK.

WE DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THIS.

I TALKED TO MIKE ABOUT THIS AND WE WANT TO GET FORWARD, GET MOVING WITH THE NEW CONTRACT AND PUBLIC WITH IT AND PURDUE ASSISTANCE TO TRANSITION WILL BE EASY.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY IN COLLECTIONS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND THIS IS OUR DECISION TO CHANGE.

AND LIKE I SAID, ALL DUE RESPECT JEFF LINE.

NO PROBLEM.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO THINK IT IN PRECINCT.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

JUDGE, UH, BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN, GEORGE IS HERE.

I ASK JUDGE AS WELL, HAS THERE BEEN SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION ISSUE WITH, UH, THE OTHER FIRM? UH, THAT UH, AND I'M NOT SURE GEORGE, COME ON UP.

I WAS, I WAS INFORMED LAST WEEK THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME SORT OF DATA COMMUNICATION ISSUE WITH WHAT WAS GOING IN FROM THE OTHER FIRM.

GEORGE, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? UH, FIRST OF ALL, I MET WITH THE JUDGE AND I SAID WHAT THE JUDGE WAS US TO DO.

YOU GUYS KNOW THAT OUR JOB IS TO DO OUR LEVEL BEST TO BE SUCCESSFUL, RIGHT? AS FAR AS THE PROJECT, WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT.

WE HAVE NO NUMBERS, NO ANALYTICS.

I'M SURE THEY'VE DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE, I'M SURE THEY'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION, BUT I DUNNO, OUR JOB IS TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY, TO YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH DATA WITH THE FIRST TWO THAT SIGNED ON.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THAT OUT AT, AT THIS MOMENT, BUT WE'D RATHER NOT TO INTO THAT IN GREAT HERE.

WOULD THAT HAVE SKEWED THE NUMBERS? UH, OKAY.

WOULD NOT HAVE SKEWED THE NUMBERS.

OKAY.

SO THE ONLY THING IT WOULD DO IS, UM, DAN MENTIONED, UH, WHEN I MET WITH DAN THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO COLLECT FOR PRECINCT ONE GIVES THE ERROR AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT NOW.

UH, BUT THE FACTS ARE, WE DON'T, I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT COLLECTION RATES SUCCESSOR AGAINST.

WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN DO.

ALRIGHT, JUDGE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD WITH, YOU'RE GOOD WITH YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR AND YOUR PROCESS WORKING WITH THE TWO PRE THAT BE MADE.

I I TRULY BELIEVE THAT.

AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME S IN THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT I MEAN, UH, I TELL YOU IS GREAT AT WHAT THEY DO AND THEY REALLY CAN GET THIS FIXED REALLY QUICK.

AGAIN, WHEN THEY WORK WITH THE COMPANIES LIKE PURDUE AND HERE FROM PURDUE AND IF ALL THE DATA IS COLLECTED, IT SHOULD BE A SMOOTH TRANSITION.

UNLIKE WHEN WE DID, AS WADE WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT WAS A BIG HEADACHE, A BIG HAD.

AND IT WASN'T JUST ME, IT WAS THE LADIES I WORKED WITH VERY HAD TIME CONSUMING AND WE JUST TO DO SOMETHING SIMPLER AND DID ALL.

SO IF THE COURT APPROVED THIS, ALL THE TAX COLLECTIONS TO NOT TAX COLLECTION ALL THE FIVE FEES TO ONE FIRM.

YES SIR.

AND THE COLLECTION WOULD SAY WITH THE OTHER TAX COLLECTION WOULD SAY WITH OTHER FIRM COMES UH, UNDER

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ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE TO DISCUSS COMMISSIONER, I RESPECT THE JUDGE'S WISHES.

MOTION CONTRACT.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER TERMINATE THE CONTRACT WITH AS SOON AS THE DETAILS WORKED OUT WITH THE, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TERMINATE THAT CONTRACT.

I HAVE A SECOND.

HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE, DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? JACK, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I'M SORRY.

I'D LIKE SINCE I THREE MY AND THEN PURDUE, PURDUE CONTRACT AND I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS, ALL I WITH, NORMALLY WE HAVE A CONTRACT.

YOU'RE DISCUSSION CALL FOLKS IN AND I'M NOT PART OF THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEGINNING THE CORRECT WAY BACK IN GOOD OLD DAYS TALK ABOUT THINGS.

AND AGAIN, THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH .

UH, BUT I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT THERE, BUT WE, THE GOAL, WE HAVE ONE COME AND DO IT ALL.

WANT TO GET ONE COME AND DO IT ALL AGAIN.

WE HAVE THAT BEFORE AND WE SPLIT UP TO GET COMPETITION AND OKAY, NOW ONE JACK IS THE SAME THING, SAME GOAL, SAME THING TO FIND SOME.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

I I I JUST CONTRACT.

THANK YOU.

NO, WE HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG THE MEMBERS.

I THINK THE SOME ISSUES, UH, DATA THAT WAS, UH, AT ONE TIME.

UH, BUT THAT'S BEYOND MY DOUBLE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THAT.

GEORGE IS THE EXPERT ON THAT.

UH, BUT, UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? OKAY.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, CANCELING THE CONTRACT WITH LAND WATER.

UH, IF YOU WOULD, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND AND THOSE AGAINST, UH, ADAM HARRY'S.

AND SO WE'LL GO ITEM NUMBER 10 AND THAT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ENTERING THE COUNTY CONTRACT FOR ELECTION FIND FOR JUSTICE OF PEACE PRECINCT THREE.

JOHNNY, DO YOU WANT TO HANG ON JUST A SECOND WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE, YOU MAYBE NEED TO GET TO COURT, I BELIEVE MR. ROMO IS HERE THIS MORNING.

UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE HIM? COURT ROMO, UH, DON'T WANT DRAG THIS OUT, BUT IT'D BE NICE RECENTLY HAVE A FEW WORDS FROM, UH, THE FIRM THAT WILL NOW BE COLLECTING ALL OF OUR, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS DAN ROMO.

HE'S WITH, UH, PURDUE BRANDON FISHER.

AND UH, HE'S WITH PRECINCT 22 AT THIS TIME.

AND THIS IS A COMPANY WE'RE TRYING TO THANK YOU.

UM, AGAIN, UH, MY NAME IS DAN ROMO AND UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE REGARDING, UM, OUR, OUR EFFORTS OR HOPEFUL FOR HERE.

UM, JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT, UM, AS FAR AS THE DATA, THE SUBMISSIONS DATA WE HAVE COLLECTED FOR BOTH PRECINCT ONE AND TWO, WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THAT AND AS GEORGE HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY AT ALL

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PRECINCT THREE OR FOUR AT ALL.

WE'RE VERY SOPHISTICATED IN OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO WORK THE SOFTWARE.

SO I WANNA ASSURE THE COURT THAT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS IN THERE.

AND AGAIN, IT IS OUR GOAL TO INCREASE THE COLLECTIONS.

THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY A PRECINCT THREE AND FOUR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT US IS TRYING TO INCREASE, TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, TRY TO SHAKE THE STREET A LITTLE BIT AND INCREASE REVENUES SO WE CAN, UH, TRY TO COLLECT MORE MONEY.

CAN, UM, AT SOME POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN BE EVALUATED.

I I I FEEL FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO Y'ALL AND BE ABLE TO SHOW OUR NUMBERS AND SHOW THAT WE HAVE INCREASED THE COLLECTIONS COURSE.

WE NEED A LITTLE TIME.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR A WHILE AND THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK IS GONNA TAKE US SOME TIME.

BUT, UH, WE'LL ASSURED THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE.

WE'RE GONNA BE FULLY ACCOUNTABLE.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU GENTLEMEN HOW WELL FOR THE COURTS, UM, AND ABLE SHOW YOU THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.

THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.

WHAT KIND OF REPORT? THE LANDLORD FIRM WOULD COME IN, I BELIEVE THREE MONTHS OR SO WOULD GIVE US AN UPDATE ON COLLECTIONS COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

NOW WAS THAT FOR PROPERTY TAX OR WAS THAT JUST FINE? CORRECT ON THAT, YES, JUDGE, EVEN THE PRECINCTS THAT WE DIDN'T REPRESENT RIGHT, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR FARM TO PROVIDE WITH US? AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT.

UH, UH, REBECCA, IF WE COULD DO THAT, THAT WE WOULD GET A QUARTERLY REPORT AS PREPARED THE PRIOR YEAR.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

ALL WE PROVIDE QUARTERLY REPORTS TO, TO THE COURT, COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

WE ALSO PROVIDE MONTHLY REPORTS TO JUSTICE PEACE CORPS AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING REPORTING ON A MONTHLY BASIS AS WELL.

SO IF ANYBODY EVER HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND WHAT OUR EFFORTS ARE AND WE QUARTERLY REPORTS TO HAVE WE SENDS, SO OKAY.

RIGHT.

SOMETHING WE WORK WITH THE DA'S OFFICE, GETTING THAT INTO THE CONTRACT IF IT'S NOT ALREADY.

SURE.

WE ALWAYS HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES, WHATEVER WE RESEND THE REPORT, WE'RE ALWAYS MAKING SURE THE REPORT ARE, ARE LINING UP IS WHAT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAVE AND ALL THAT.

SO STANDARD PROTOCOL FOR US TO BE SENDING THAT INFORMATION AUDITOR AS WELL.

WE'RE MORE THAN GLAD TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKAGE.

UM, IT WON'T HAVE PERCENTAGES AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.

SO IF YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE A PERFORMANCE REPORT SO YOU CAN HAVE NUMBERS SHOW YOU SOME OTHERS.

ALRIGHT THERE.

ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, UH, THAT ALRIGHT? YES, FOR HAVE A QUICK POINT, UM, BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO PRECINCTS ARE ALSO USING PURDUE WITH THE COURT WOULD LIKE TO COMBINE CONTRACTS.

WE DO ONE FOR ALL FOUR AND THEN YOU COULD ADD THE MONTHLY REPORT REQUIREMENT FOR ALL FOUR PRECINCT.

I HAVE.

WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? YES, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

SO THAT WAY I MEAN THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO HAVE SOME CONTINUITY AND SO IF IT'S JUST EASIER THAT WAY WE'RE NOT STRUGGLING WITH TWO, TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTS AND IF IT'S WISHES OF THE COUNTY CONTRACT, JUST START HAVE THOSE PROVISIONS THAT WE HAVE A MOTION.

ANYBODY YOU MAKE A MOTION, YOU SECOND A MOTION.

ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTION BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION.

MOTION TO UH, ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH PURDUE AND COLLINS.

UH, SUBSTITUTE THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD HERE.

COURT MOTION MR. PHILLIPS, MR. PHILLIPS MAKES THAT MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECOND MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR I'LL ASK YOU TO APP RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU IN FAVOR, UH, SHOWING UNANIM JUDGE AS WELL.

SO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK VERY MUCH.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU JOHNNY.

WE AROUND A WHILE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL.

WE WILL UH, NOW, UH,

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ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXIT INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REPORT ITEM THAT WE WILL BE, UH, DISCUSSING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, THE FIRST ONE, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND THIS IS AT THE REQUEST OF JUDGE MATTER.

I'M HERE FOR THE WHOLE OKAY, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

OKAY, WELL LET'S GO AHEAD AND UH, UH, I'LL HAVE A MOTION FOR SOMEONE TO GO INTO THE CLOSED SESSION AND MR. ALLEN ALL.

SO SHERIFF YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE KITCHEN AREA IS CLEAR AND UH, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT ON NUMBER 17, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ANY ACTION NEEDED AS A RESULT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND WE HAD FOUR ITEMS DISCUSS SESSION MOTIONS THAT THE COURT TO REGARD TO ITEM ONE CONCERNING CONCERNS.

THE ATS CONTRACT I MOTION ENTER TO LAW FIRM TO LOOK AT.

WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER ALLEN AND A SECOND WE ANY DISCUSSIONS ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED ON ITEM NUMBER, I'M SORRY YOU'RE GOING APPROVE ENTERING CONTRACT WITH AND I'LL GET THAT REVIEW.

ALRIGHT, ON ITEM NUMBER, UH, 13, DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY ON ITEM NUMBER 14, UH, CONCERNING THE POTENTIAL PURCHASE, THE PROPERTY.

UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION CONCERNING THAT? ALRIGHT.

AND THEY ENTER INTO A CONTRACT, HAVE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DRAW UP THE CONTRACT TO DO THAT? THE COUNTY JUDGE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE, GET THAT DOWN.

NO, BECAUSE I HAD WHEN HE HAD A MOTION, DO YOU WANNA SAY MOTION TO APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH JOHN MOSLEY? PERHAPS POSSIBLY PURCHASE IS WHAT HE SAID.

WHAT YOU, WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE APPROVING ENTERING INTO THE CONTRACT WITH JOHN MOLEY.

JUDGE CAN SIGN, JUDGE CAN SIGN TO ASSIST THE COUNTY IN PURCHASING REAL PROPERTY.

REAL.

SO, AND WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM SHANE.

DID I HEAR ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE LAST ITEM IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL MATTERS RELATED TO THE USE OF THE COUNTY TREASURER'S OFFICE.

AND I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE NO ACTION ON THE CORRECT.

OKAY, SO WE ENTERED, UH, WE EXITED THE UH, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE'VE, UH, NOW MADE UH, BOTH MOTIONS AND UH, ITEM NUMBER 17.

SO NOW UH, WE'RE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 18 AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH APPROVING LINE TRANSFER.

IS THAT EVERY POPULAR SUBJECT? WE HAVE NONE.

THIS WE HAVE NONE.

AND UNDERSTAND WE'RE GONNA HAVE MANY LOOK AT PROPERTY IF WE WIND UP.

SO THERE'S NOTHING TO APPROVE.

SO WE'LL MOVE NOW, UH, TO ITEM NUMBER 19.

AND THIS IS FROM OUR AUDITOR TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN I PAYMENT AFTER

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YOU THIS? YEAH, WITH THE PRETTY EXTENSIVE AUDIT, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY A 10 99 AUDIT WIND UP BEING AND UH, SHE FOUND SOME THINGS THAT SHE TOOK ISSUE WITH AND UH, HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE, UH, TRAVEL OF DEPARTMENT HAD ELECTED OFFICIALS AND WHY THINGS WEREN'T SIGNED.

AND WE EXPLAINED THAT UM, 2013 WAS A NEW YEAR FOR ME, SO WE STARTED REQUESTING MAPQUEST AND BACKUP.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO GOING TO SCHOOLS AND STUFF.

SO, UM, SHE DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THAT EXPLANATION BUT I GUESS SHE ACCEPTED IT.

UM, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, EMPLOYER PROVIDED VEHICLES, UH, C MEETING TWO AND FROM WORK WAS CONSIDERED PERSONAL USE EVEN IF THE EMPLOYEE WAS ON A CALL 24 HOURS A DAY.

UH, DAY MEALS, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THEY'RE ONE OUT OF TRAVEL, THE DAY OF TRAVEL AND DAY COMING BACK IS 23.

AND THEN ANY IN BETWEEN WAS 46.

UH, THERE WAS COUPLE TIMES THAT SOME PEOPLE HAD WENT TO A SCHOOL BUT THEY CAME BACK THE SAME DAY AND THEY HAD SENT REIMBURSEMENT 20.

SO SHE TOOK A LITTLE ISSUE WITH THAT.

UNIFORMS I HAD ALREADY TOLD Y'ALL WAS PROBABLY GONNA COME UP WITH, UH, ROAD BRIDGE THE SHIRTS AND HAVE THE IMPLEMENT COUNTY ROAD BRIDGE YOU HAVE ON IT.

UH, THEY'RE SAYING THE PANTS WITH BLUE JEANS, THEY DON'T CARRY OUT RED READILY DISTINGUISHABLE LOGO ON EMPLOYER'S NAME AND THEY TAXES US ON THOSE BLUE JEANS IN THIS AUDIT.

THEY UH, WANT IT TO BE TAXABLE TO THE EMPLOYEE, WHICH MEANS HAS TO BE.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET JACK WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

SO COULD WE HAVE THESE BLUE LOOKS UP POCKET COUNTY? IS IT SPREAD? DISTINGUISHABLE? YES.

ID NUMBER CAN'T YOU CAN'T SEE IT.

GENERAL CAN'T SEE IT PRETTY GENE.

THEY'RE GENE, THEY'RE NOT LEVIS.

I GUESS THEY CHANGED THIS, THEY CHANGED THEM INTO A REAL WORK INSTEAD OF A YEAH, YOU HAVE A, ALRIGHT, SO 10 99 VENDORS, A 10 99 VENDOR MEANS THAT YOU DON'T PROVIDE THEM PLACE OR THINGS TO WORK WITH.

THEY COME IN AND THEY ARE A CONTRACTOR BECAUSE WE HIRE SOMEBODY TO PAINT, HE GOES OUT FOR A PAINTER, THEY BRING THEIR LADDER, THEY BRING THE DROP, THEY BRING THEIR BRUSHES IN THEIR TOOLS.

SOME OF OUR VENDORS WERE NOT SET UP CORRECTLY THE OLD ACCOUNTING SYSTEM AND CONVERSION LIKE IT WAS SOME, THE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET 10 90 NINES THAT SUPPOSED TO, THEY TAXED US.

WELL WE DON'T TEND, THAT'S INDIVIDUAL, BUT THAT CORPORATION.

CORPORATION, YEAH.

WE DON'T HAVE TO LAW FIRMS THAT ARE PARTNERSHIPS, LLPS.

RIGHT.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

R 10 99 ALSO ACTUALLY CONTACTED, IF YOU DIRECT HIM, START DIRECTING HIM, HE'S, UH, THANKS TO UH, MS. BRENDA MURPHY THAT DOES THE CLEANING FOR THE PIMP OFFICE.

AND THANKS TO DR.

JIMMY DAVIS, I GOT THE IR RS TO KNOCK OFF 200

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BECAUSE THEY CAME COMP OF THEIR TAX RETURN AND SHOWED THEIR 10 99.

SO THAT WAS GOOD.

A LOT OF THE VENDORS THAT Y'ALL WERE USING BACK 2008, 2005 UP TO 2012, SOME OF THOSE VENDORS WE DON'T EVEN USE ANYMORE.

THEY CLOSED BUSINESS, THEY CHANGED NAMES.

UM, WE COULDN'T EVEN, WE GOT THINGS BACK IN THE MAIL AND WE SENT 'EM 46 69 FOR THEM TO SAY, YEAH, WE CLAIM IT.

SO SHE DID ON THE BACK TOLD FOR THAT WHETHER THEY PAID INCOME TAX OR NOT.

AND THIS WAS BACK IN 2000.

WHY THEY, UH, I IS TWO TO THREE YEARS TIME, I MEAN OUR AUDITOR NOT OUTSIDE AUDITOR IF THEY KNEW THE LAW, THE AUDITORS LOOK AT OUR 10 90 NINES, THEY LOOK AT OUR W TWOS TO SEE IF THEY, THEY BALANCE THROUGH LEDGER NUMBER OF EMPLOYEE AND WERE REPORTED AND ALL NINE 40 ONES SECURITY AND THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.

UM, WE HAVE SO MANY VENDORS, THERE'S PROBABLY NO WAY THEY COULD CHECK THOSE ALL AND THAT THEIR JOB IS OUTSIDE AUDIT.

MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GOVERNMENT REQUIRE IT, IT PROBABLY WILL BE NOW SINCE I INFORMED THEM THAT WE GOT AUDITED, THE PROBLEMS WERE, THEY DID THINK THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT THE HILL ON WHAT THEY REQUEST US.

SO IT'S AUDIT, OUTSIDE AUDIT REQUIRE RESPONSIBILITY TO ALERT US TO THE FACTS ON A YEARLY BASIS WHEN THEY THEIR AUDIT.

RIGHT.

IF THEY FOUND THAT FOUNDING FINDING YES SIR, THEY WOULD.

WE NEED, I MEAN THAT'S THEIR JOB AS FAR WE, THEIR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, AUDITED, RECONCILED THE BANK ACCOUNTS.

WE HAVE RECORDED ALL THE DEBT AND MADE ALL THE PAYMENTS NECESSARY AND WE HAD MISAPPROPRIATED FUNDS.

OH, SO THAT'S NOT THE JOB.

NO, SIR.

THEY'LL ASK TO LOOK AT 'EM AND THEY HAVE, WE HAVE PROVIDED THEM TO ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS AND AND APOLOGIZED.

SHE'S THE SENIOR STAFF MEMBER.

SHE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTED THE 10 99 SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE.

AND YOU 99? YES SIR.

YES SIR.

WE HAD, UH, ONE, UH, COUNTY AGENT THAT HAD CLAIMED EXEMPT ON THEIR W FOUR AND UH, YOU CAN DO THAT.

IT'S REALLY NOT GOOD TO DO THAT.

BUT UM, IF YOU DO IT, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT FORM TO HR .

YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP RELYING ON THAT FORM.

YOU KNOW, BACK IN 2010 AND YOU WERE EXEMPT FROM ANY TAXES TO CARRY IT FOR IT'S GONNA HAVE BE FIXED.

WE HAD UM, TWO PART-TIME DEPUTY MARSHALLS THAT WERE PAID OUT OF THE FIRE CODE FUND WHEN THEY CAME IN AND WORKED PART-TIME IN OFFICE WRITING PERMITS FOR FIREWORKS AND STUFF.

AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY HAD BEEN SET UP BY ASSISTANCE THAT PAYROLL.

PAYROLL.

THEY'RE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE WE PROVIDE THE OFFICE SPACE, PHONE AND DESK AND EVERYTHING TO WORK WITH.

SO EVERYBODY'S GETTING AN EDUCATION.

UH, COMMISSIONER COURT, APPOINTS COUNTY HEALTH OFFICER, HE ACTUALLY TAKES AN OATH.

WE PAY HIM A CERTAIN AMOUNT EVERY YEAR.

HE'S AN EMPLOYEE.

HE HAS TO , UH, BECAUSE OF THESE DIFFERENT BOOK FINDINGS, OUR ORIGINAL PENALTY WAS 521,000.

I BEG FOR AN ADDITIONAL 10 DAYS.

AND ALL MY STAFF PUT EVERYTHING ASIDE BUT PAYROLL AND WE WROTE LETTERS AND SENT FORMS TO EVERYBODY THAT WE HAD AN ADDRESS WITH AND WE GOT IT DOWN TO 70,000.

SO THAT SUBSTANTIAL I LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO PAY THEM.

NO, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES WE HAD, EVERYBODY IN OUR AP SYSTEM HAS BEEN SET.

18 NINE.

AND THE, UH, IS AGENT TONY, IF WE WANT TO APPEAL, WE HAVE THOSE RIGHTS.

I HAVE PRINTOUTS TO TELL US HOW TO DO IT.

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BUT SHE WILL BE HERE TO DO 1415 BECAUSE SHE KNOWS IF 2013 WAS WRONG POSSIBLY AND BE PAID BY 14 OR THEY'LL FINE.

THIS IS THAT.

YES, SHE HAD, SHE'S OFF TODAY AND SHE'S GONNA CALL ME TOMORROW.

'CAUSE I HAD ASKED THE JUDGE TO PUT AN ADDENDUM SO WE COULD GET IT PAID.

WE OWE ANY ADDITIONAL PENALTIES.

I'LL, UM, ANOTHER INTERESTING FACT THAT CAME UP THROUGH THIS AUDIT, WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH SOME OF THE VENDORS, WE RECORD THE J CHECKS FOR Y'ALL AS MANUAL CHECKS AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE PAID TO THE COUNTY AND WHAT WE PAID FOR THE SCHOOL AND WHAT WE PAID TO THE TAX ASSESSOR FOR OUR ATTORNEY.

THEY DO MEET ON 1,000,003 THAT WAS PAID TO ONE FOR THROUGH THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR THAT THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR RECEIVES ALL THE TAX MONEY FROM ALL THE ENTITIES THAT WE COLLECT FOR.

AND SHE WRITES, CHECKS OUT.

SO SHE WENT AND WANTED TO PRINT OUT THE TAXES TAX SISTER BANK ACCOUNT SO SHE COULD SEE ALL HIS CHECKS.

LINEBARGER WAS THE TRUTH BECAUSE HE CALLED ME AND EMAILED ME.

HE SAID, KAREN, THIS AIN'T RIGHT.

YOU SENT ME CHECKS HUNDRED 65,000 BUT OUR, YOUR TAX ASSESSOR SENT ME MEETING FREE AND I'VE GOTTA MAKE THIS RIGHT.

SO HE SENT AND SHE TOOK IT OFF MY PARTNER CORPORATION.

A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION TRYING TO GET THIS FIXED.

THAT'S WHY I WANT ANOTHER SEPARATION IN THAT POSITION THAT WON'T PAYROLL REQUEST.

AND I THINK WE FOUND OUT ALSO THAT THIS, I WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

I GOT PEOPLE CALLING ME HOW TO GET READING AND THEY'RE ALL ALSO WATER DISTRICTS, SCHOOL DISTRICT, ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE.

SO THIS IS GONNA BE NOW NO, NO.

WELL WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION.

UH, ALLOWING YOU TO PAY THIS.

WELL I WANNA TELL YOU WHY I'M GONNA GET THE MONEY.

YOU PAY THIS.

OKAY, WELL IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT.

WE STILL GOTTA DO IT.

SURE.

DO IT THE WAY YOU NEED.

YOU STILL NEED TO DO IT, JUDGE.

WELL LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD.

WE KNOW WE'VE GOTTA PAY, SO LET'S GO.

GOOD USE IS, WE DO HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO DO THAT.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, PAY THE, UH, AMOUNT OF INTERNAL, THE FINDINGS FROM THE AUDIT OF 2013? WE HAVE MOTION, I COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, UH, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY I HAVE.

OKAY NOW THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A, A LITTLE SCENARIO OF HOW WE'RE CLOSING OUT THE YEAR.

UH, GENERAL FUND COLLECTED $35,238,000.

GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES ARE AT 34,000,159.

SO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE FOR THE EXTRA MONEY.

ALRIGHT.

I HAVE NOT APPROVED PAYROLL.

I HAVE EIGHT DAYS TO APPROVE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT MEETING THAT MUCH.

FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SHE STARTED THIS AUDIT IN SEPTEMBER.

I'M ON BOTH THE LIABILITY AND LAST YEAR'S BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS NOW, THIS IS NOT ALL THE MONEY THAT'S COMING IN AND NOT ALL THE EXPENDITURES.

PLEASE BE AWARE OF THAT.

I THINK COMMISSIONER SHANE AND COMMISSIONER ROSA HAS BEEN THIS WHILE GIVEN THEM TWO OR THREE FOR THE END OF THE YEAR SO THEY CAN SEE ALL THE STUFF COMING IN.

WE STILL HAVE SOME QUARTER PAYMENTS THAT'LL BE COMING IN ON THIS NEXT BANK STUDY OCTOBER THAT WE SHOW.

UH, WE HAVE ONE BILLING LEFT WITH FEDS AS OF SEPTEMBER SHOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 180,000 TO 190,000.

NOT, THAT IS NOT IN IT.

WE HAVEN'T RECORDED IT BECAUSE

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BRIAN HASN'T SENT ME AN INVOICE YET.

SO, ALRIGHT.

MEDICAL I TOLD YOU WE'RE GONNA GET ABOUT 80 SOMETHING THOUSAND BACK.

WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT YET.

THEY HAVE AGREED TO PAY IT, BUT THEY REQUIRED AN ADDITIONAL STEP.

THEY DID NOT WANT BRIAN SENDING THEM THE BILL, THEY WANTED THE HOSPITALS TO SEND THEM THE BILL.

THAT WAY THEY HAD EVERYTHING RECORDED.

EVERYTHING THAT CHRISTOPHER RECEIVED, TESTING SHOTS, WHATEVER.

YEAH.

SO THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUESTED.

SO BRIAN'S WORKING ON GETTING THAT FORM.

THEY DID REIMBURSE FOR SOME OF THE TRANSPORT.

WE GOT THAT LAST WEEK.

SO, AND UH, MS. CARTER IS WORKING ON SOME ADDITIONAL GRANTS.

UM, WILLIAMS, THERE'S RESPONSIBILITY WILL GET ALMOST ANOTHER 110,000.

THAT'S VERY, VERY GREAT.

YES.

UH, BROWN LOVE, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 180,000 OKAY.

THAT WE PROBABLY RECEIVE FROM THAT.

NOW THAT'LL HAVE TO BE SPLIT A CERTAIN WAY ACCORDING BECAUSE COURT GONNA BE PROSECUTION PRO OTHER COURT OF DEFENSE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME, JUDGE.

WHETHER WELL THOSE EXPENSES, BUT ASKING THROUGH THE IN DEFENSE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE ON THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REIMBURSES FOR THOSE EXPENSES.

AND THAT'S WHERE APPEAR GET THEM IN.

WE, WE HAVE UNUSUAL YEAR.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE MURDER CASES, UH UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT THAT UH, WE PREPARE FOR.

BUT AMOUNT TO, AND THIS IS IN ADDITION, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE WE.

SO WHO KNOWS WHAT IT BE BY THE TIME OUTSIDE AUDITOR BE MILLION.

ALRIGHT.

JUDGE WOOD HAD MENTIONED TO ME BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL WORKING ON THE ROADS AND THIS IS GET IT DONE FOR THE BRAIN'S POSSIBLE.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T, I TALKED TO KAREN, YOU GOOD WEATHER, KNOW, STRUGGLING, KNOW SUPPLIES AND MATERIAL.

I TALKED TO KAREN.

IF WE CAN DO SO LEGALLY AND SHE'LL FIND THAT OUT ABOUT LOANING YOUR ROAD BRIDGE FUNDS SOME MONEY OUTTA THE GENERAL, THEN WHEN YOUR TAX COMES IN, YOU PAY THE GENERAL FUNDS.

THAT WOULD GIVE YOU MORE MONEY RIGHT NOW TO HAVE BEFORE THE, YOU KNOW, MOVES IN.

LIKE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE MAY HAVE BUT THE CONFERENCE LAST WEEK, BEGINNING MID-NOVEMBER, MAY STATE GETTING WETTER THAN NORMAL.

STAY THAT WAY THROUGH THE WINTER, THROUGH THE SPRING AND INTO NEXT SUMMER.

SO IF THAT WOULD HELP MAKING SURE WE DO IT.

I WE CAN.

OH YOU CAN.

YEAH, WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.

Y'ALL DOWN NOW THAT YOU'RE THERE WOULDN RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK AND YOU, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND LIKE ON THESE UH, WILLIAMS AND THE GROUND LOW, I PUT THAT RECORD THAT IN A SEPARATE FUND BECAUSE THOSE GRANT MONIES THAT WE RECEIVE, NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND BUT THAT BANK ACCOUNT'S IN A NEGATIVE.

SO THE GENERAL FUND HAS TO TRANSFER MONEY AND LOAN UNTIL WE GET THE MONEY AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S GONNA BE EXTRA MONEY COMING BACK TO REIMBURSE.

YES SIR.

THE QUESTION I, THE JUDGE WAS UH, WE'VE DONE A SITUATION WHERE WE GOT

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OPTIONS, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS BUT THIS WOULD BE THE EASIEST, QUICKEST AND UH, WE GET IT DONE FAIRLY QUICK.

THEN YOU GUYS CAN GET THE MONEY TO SIGN.

SO YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE THE THIRD PAGE THAT IT'S ALSO FOR YOUR BROTHER BRIDGE.

UH, WE ONLY GOT BUDGETED SEVEN 50 AND YOU GOT 7 2 65 FUND 20.

THAT'S WHERE WE DIVIDE THE MONEY OUT DIFFERENT.

SO YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON A PRINTOUT, JUST JUST LET YOU KNOW BECAUSE I CAN RUN YOU DETAILS OR KW CAN RUN IT AND EMAIL IT TO YOU.

UH, THEN ON THE LAST PAGE, UH, WAS YOUR ROPE ON CONSTRUCTION AND UH, RECEIPT TERMS AND I DUNNO WHERE YOU'RE SITTING BUT YOU HAD LIKE $6 IN S MONEY.

WELL, TWO 99,000 HUNDRED INTEREST BUT IT'S ONLY 66, 600 HAS BEEN SPENT.

SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER WORK THERE THAT YOU GET DONE.

I'VE COMPLETED MY C PROJECT AND THE JUDGE'S OFFICE HAS TURNED.

WE HAVEN'T AROUND AROUND ON THAT PRETTY QUICK.

THEY GIVE YOU A COUPLE WEEKS, YOU SIT YEAH, SENDS IT IN.

WE PRETTY WELL GET IT, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY 10 DAYS TO TO THREE WEEKS MAYBE.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT THAT PROJECT THAT YOU DO, GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

THAT'S NOT ON THE, THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.

THAT WAS JUST WHAT I, THIS IS WHAT I STILL GOT LABELED BUDGET.

Y'ALL THREE.

YOU STILL GOT BILLS AND I STILL GOT PAYROLL RECORDED.

THAT SHOULD BE TOO MUCH.

IT WELL THAT MONEY'S NOT IN ACCOUNT.

YOU HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

SO IT'S NOT MONEY THAT WE CAN USE FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

IT'S AVAILABLE.

DID WE GET IT APPROVED? YES, IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

HIS ROAD IS NOT 40 16 40 17.

YES MA'AM.

I'LL GET THAT FIXED AFTER I, UH, PAYROLL APPROVAL.

I'LL PROBABLY DO ANOTHER ONE OF THESE AND SEND Y'ALL UPDATE.

I'LL SAY AT THE TOP UPDATE AS OKAY.

ARE THEY MOVING IT IN TODAY? YEAH, THE MILL SUPPOSED TO THIS WEEK.

SO WE A SEE IT IN ACTION NUMBER FOR YOU TOO.

I YOU WRONG THAT BECAUSE I WE THAT OKAY.

WE WERE NUMBER 20 I GUESS TO HELP CLAIM FOR PAYMENT.

ALRIGHT.

THE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE $2,049,479 AND 65 CENTS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR GRAPH THAT UM, HIGH CHART, YOU PUT THOSE PERCENTAGES FOR YOU A LOT.

UH, WE HAD TO MAKE OUR ONE TIME PAYMENT ON OUR GENERAL LIABILITY.

OUR WORKERS' COMP, THEY WAIT TILL WE END BILL US AND UNEMPLOYMENT.

SO THAT LINE UP ABOUT SEVEN 17,000 ROAD BOND EXPENSES WERE 458,000.

UH, DISTRICT CLERK RECORDS RESERVATION WAS 275,000.

THAT'S WHAT JOHN AGREED.

AND UH, WE KIND OF PICKED AT HER BECAUSE THE BILL WAS 2075 PAY.

WE CAN'T PAY THE, SO UH, WE HAD DO OUR QUARTERLY PAYMENTS, SO 61,000, UH, WE PURCHASED TWO VEHICLES FOR CONSTABLE TWO AND CONSTABLE FOR THREE, UH, NINE TO 50, 53,000.

SO INMATE HOUSING.

SO THAT'S WHERE

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2,049,000 COMES FROM.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON SPECIFIC BILLS? I KNOW IT'S LATE HERE.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY THAT ANGEL CAN DO? YEAH, ON UH, SMALL.

THE LAST PAGE, PAGE EIGHT.

JP.

MM-HMM .

YEAH, WE DON'T FURNISH HER PHONE.

SHE FURNISH HER OWN AND ABOUT EVERY YEAR SHE SIGNED A BILL TO PAY HERSELF BACK MANY, MANY YEARS.

SHE THAT CO WITH HER PHONE POLICY.

I WAS GRANDFATHERED IN.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HAVING.

THAT'S SO MOVING FORWARD, IS SHE GONNA BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR OUR NEW PHONE? APPROVE THE PARDON? BRUCE, YOU TALKING ABOUT APPRECIATE YES.

I GUESS Y'ALL ADD HER TO THE LIST.

THAT PHONE SHE SEND THE DETAILS.

SHE'S ASKING REIMBURSE WHAT I'M ASKING.

IT'S TO MS. WELL I GET THE QUESTION IS BE STOPPED.

WELL SHE THE ONLY THE PROBABLY SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING CONSISTENT LIKE EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO PUT IN TODAY.

YOU KNOW THAT EVERYBODY DOES THE SAME THING.

WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT DOES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? THEY DON'T REQUEST.

REBECCA HAS JP TWO HAVE A HAVE A UH, SOME OTHER TYPE OF HOME POLICY BY, OTHER THAN OUR COUNTY POLICY.

JP TOO, I GUESS IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS BACK.

DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A COUNTY PHONE, BUT SHE WAS ALLOWED TO TURN HER PHONE BILL.

AND HERE'S THE THING ABOUT EVERY, ABOUT EVERY SIX MONTHS WE'LL GET A BILL.

COPIES OF THE WAY BACK WHEN, GET A A PHONE.

THEY DOING WHAT THEY, IT'S KIND LIKE THE SHERIFF, SHERIFF'S SHERIFF DEPARTMENT PAY FOR THEIR OWN CLERK.

BUT I REMEMBER BEING IN THAT COMMITTEE AND THE SHERIFF PULLED UP.

OKAY.

SO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION?

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OTHER, ALRIGHT, MOTION SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL SAY OPPOSED WE, THE REGULAR MEETING? UH, I BELIEVE, UH, LAURIE HAS GIVEN YOU A COPY OF THE, YOU HAVE A CHANCE WE'LL PROBABLY GET BACK TOGETHER AND HAVE A WORKSHOP INTERVIEW.

WE JUST HAD MUCH GOING, WE HAD NINE PEOPLE.

NINE.

SO WE'LL GET Y'ALL LOOK OVER.

ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN PHILLIPS MOTION SECOND.