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THE TA COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.TODAY IS MONDAY, NOVEMBER THE NINTH.
IT'S 9:30 AM AND WE'LL BEGIN THE COURT.
THERE'S FORUM PRESENT, AND WE DO HAVE, I BELIEVE, ON THE CHAIRS TODAY.
WHEN WE GOT HERE, WE FOUND AGENDA AS WELL AS THE YOU PROCEDURES WE'RE GONNA BE USING FOR PEOPLE THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COURT, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A SIGN SHEET SHEET PER, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE A SHEET FOR YOU TO COMPLETE.
AND WE DO ASK THAT YOU COMPLETE THOSE, PRESENT THOSE TO THE COUNTY CLERK AND REVIEW THOSE.
AND SO WE'RE YOU AND CERTAIN REPUBLIC HAVE THE OPPORT SPEAK? UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO.
NOW WE HAVE COMMISSIONER IN, WE'LL HAVE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO BOTH AMERICAN FLAG.
WE COME TODAY AGAIN, AND THANK YOU.
WE ALSO THANK YOU, WE, YOU ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR SOLDIERS, PEOPLE THAT ARE
DAY TO BLESS THIS COURT AS WE DO COUNTY BUSINESS.
EVERYTHING WE DO WILL BE GOOD FOR YOUR JESUS.
AMEN TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE CROW.
I PLEASURE ALLEGIANCE TO THE LEAD OF TEXAS.
HAVE BOTH WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COURT CHIEF EVANS.
UH, YOU MAY HAVE THE SIGNING SHEET.
WHAT WE'LL DO, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WHILE YOU'RE COMPLETING THOSE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE, AND THEN GO BACK AND FROM WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT DURING, UH, THE OPEN PART OF THE, IF YOU WOULD NOW LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE BY THE WAY, BUT ON ITEM A, THE CONSENT AGENDA WE DO HAVE, UH, TO DISCUSS TO CONSIDER, UH, APPRO THE DE OF FOR THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE, AND THEN ALSO AN ITEM D FROM, UH, MS. WILLIAMS, WHOEVER WILLIAMS, UH, TO PRESENT AND PROVIDE US WITH A CHILDREN SHELTER FOR SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.
I ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER ONE OF THOSE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS UNDER THE AGENDA? IF SO, UH, WE, THEY WERE NOT RECEIVED UNTIL AFTER.
I THINK WE'LL WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND TRY TO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE.
NO, WE, WE ARE YOU HERE THIS MORNING, WILLIAMS? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
ARE WE READY NOW FOR THE, ON THE SIGNING SHEET, WE HAVE WHAT WE'LL BE, UH, WORKING AWAY FROM.
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DISCUSS AND UH, ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO WITH, UH, MR. COOK, I BELIEVE THE FIRST, AND, UH, HE'S REPRESENTING THE COUNTY PEOPLE.HE, UH, WANTS TO VISIT ON ITEM NUMBER 12.
THAT RIGHT HERE, SIR, YOU AHEAD.
IT'S JUST WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
IS IT, IS IT GONNA BE, I THOUGHT WE ALL HAD TO SPEAK EARLIER.
WELL, YOU, YOU CAN SPEAK EARLY OR IF YOU WANT ADDRESS A SPECIFIC ITEM THAT YOU SAY ITEM 12, UH, YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL WE GET THAT POINT.
THAT WAY THE COURT HAVE INTERACTION.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE IT'S AMENDED NOW.
IT'S THE TAXATION AND THE CELL PHONE FEE, THE TAX LOCAL DISCUSSION.
AND THEN LARRY, UH, DID YOU ALSO WISH TO AGREE? I, I LIKE TO WAIT, PLEASE.
AND THEN, UH, MIKE SLIDE WITH THE TALK CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COMMITTEE, UH, TO TALK ITEM 11 AND THEN RONNIE O ON ITEM EIGHT.
SO WE DON'T, ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT MAY NOT HEAR ME.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY 34 MAIN LANES PROJECT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY E RAINING AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED THE AMOUNT NINE NINE.
JOHN, UH, JOHN IS OUR CONSULTANT WITH, UH, INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS SOLUTIONS AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, UH, THESE NEXT THREE PROJECTS.
AND I'VE ASKED JOHN TODAY TO, UH, GIVE US AN UPDATE THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
BUT JOHN, YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT THIS FIRST ONE ON THE, UH, UH, WITH THE, UH, 34 MAIN LANES PROJECT? YES, SIR.
THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, UH, 20,013 BOND PROGRAM.
THE, UH, COUNTY IS ESSENTIALLY INITIATING SERVICES ON THE PROJECT, UM, TO CONTINUE 34 SOUTH OUT OF, UH, OF COFFMAN INTO THE NEXT COUNTY.
IT'S A, UH, CONTRACT FOR ADVANCED PLANNING AND, UH, THE INITIAL SCHEMATIC PHASE OF THE, AND Y'ALL HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, THIS IS OUR STARTING PROCESS OF WHAT WE CALL FAITH-BASED ENGINEERING.
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AND THE PRESENTATION, I'LL SHOW YOU FOR EXAMPLE, ON 1 75, THE 1 75 WHERE JUST CONTRACT ON THAT.AND WHEN WE STARTED THAT, WE WEREN'T SURE WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.
WE'VE GOT, SO SAY, SAY THE ENGINEERING'S THE HARD PART, THE MONEY'S THE EASIEST PART OF THE PROCESS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE STARTING ENGINEERING ON ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT RAINY IS A GOOD FIRM.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, EXPECT GUYS AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THIS NEGOTIATED QUITE SOME TIME.
I'VE MADE PRESENTATIONS TO OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY'RE ALWAYS WONDERING HOW, WHY IT TAKEN SO LONG.
WE GOT, WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, THIS IS HIM, COMMISSIONER ALLEN, DOUG, START SOME THINGS FOR HIM.
MR. PHILLIPS SECOND THIS MOTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ANOTHER PROJECT.
JOHN, IF YOU'LL WITH US, UH, TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE US 80 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND HON INCORPORATED IN THE AMOUNT OF 647,000 9 83 60 7 CENTS.
SO THIS PROJECT IS, UH, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT BOTH IN, IN AN INTERIM PHASE AND A LONG TERM PHASE, WHAT TO DO WITH THE INTERSECTION OF 82 0 5 IN THE RAILROAD IN TERRIBLE, UH, HAN'S A VERY GOOD FIRM.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS TO THAT I'VE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEARS.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, CAPACITY IN THAT INTERSECTION.
ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE DO IS COME UP WITH A GREAT SEPARATION BETWEEN, UH, 2 0 5 80 AND A RAIL.
EITHER SPLIT THE GRADE OR WORKING WITH, UH, HALF ASSOCIATES WHO'S DOING THE 2 0 5 STUDY FROM 78 IN COLLIN COUNTY ALL THE WAY TO 80 IN TO HAVE A FIRM ON CONTRACT TO DO AN INTERIM IMPROVEMENT, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE THEM WITH, UH, PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO GET THE GRADE SET DONE TO REASONABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT WITHOUT DESTROYING A LOT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS PROJECT NEGOTIATION IS UNDER THE BUDGET THAT WE SET FOR THE CONTRACT AS WELL, SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, OTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE AT THIS POINT.
IT'S FAITH BASED ENGINEERING FAITH.
OKAY? BUT THIS THE PROCESS AT ONE TIME.
YOU IN HERE GOING UNDER, WELL THAT'S, UH, AN OPTION.
THAT'S, EVERYTHING'S AN OPTION UNTIL YOU GET TO THE ENGINEERING.
THES END OF THE RAIL ARE 4,200 FEET IN ONE DIRECTION.
THAT SUFFICIENT DIFFERENCE BUT STILL REQUIRED NEGOTIATION WITH THE RAILROAD COMPANY.
I THE HAD TO WORK WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY BAD INTERSECTION.
AND THE OTHER THING, THE RAIL WILL GO OVER 1 48 AND IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE ON FUEL OH FIVE LOOKING AT 1 48, IT'S ABOUT EIGHT FOOT DROP RIGHT NOW OUT.
SO THEY'VE GOT EIGHT FOOT, SO THEY ONLY NEED 10 FOOT TO BUILD A GRADE SEPARATION BRIDGE OVER.
SO I THINK IT'S A SITUATION FOR TAX.
HAS ANYBODY CONVERSED WITH ASSOCIATES ON CONTRACT? I THINK THEIR FIRST BLUSH WAS SIMPLY TO DO A STANDARD GRADE SEPARATION, UH, WHERE THE RAIL, AND THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
ENGINEERING, YOU DON'T BOTHER LOOKING AT WHAT'S AT THE FOUR CORNERS.
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THEY'RE JUST GETTING STARTED TOO.UH, OUR ENGINEERING SERVICES WILL BE USED TO INFORM, STUDY AND INCORPORATE WHAT THE LOCAL, WELL TRY WHAT WE CALL LOCALLY PREFERRED AND TECHNICALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
WE WANT THOSE BOTH TO BE THE SAME WILL.
SO INTERIM TO GET THAT AND YOU'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THE TEXT YOUR, I WOULDN'T BE HERE IF I WASN'T.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM SHANE.
WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR THE FM 5 48 PROJECT BETWEEN COUNTY AND, UH, THE CHECKS ANNOUNCE IT RIGHT AND AMOUNT 1,299,009 FIVE.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, ON YOUR BOTTOM PACKAGE'S, TWO PROJECTS, YOU CALL IT THE UH, FIVE FORTY EIGHT ADVANCE PLAN AND THEN THE 5 48 NORTH PHASE ONE PROJECT, UH, IN, IN 20.
AND UM, THIS PROJECT ALSO IS COMING IN, UH, UNDER OUR, OUR ANTICIPATED BUDGET BY ALMOST $200,000 FROM AN ENGINEERING FEE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S TO, UM, IN THE ADVANCE PLANNING TO LOOK AT THE, UM, WHAT WE WANT 5 48 TO B NORTH OF, UH, UH, HIGHWAY 80 TO UH, 2 0 5.
AND THEN THE, UH, PHASE ONE NORTH SECTION IS FROM, UH, FROM HIGHWAY 80 TO WALMART OR RE LANE.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SECTION WE WANNA FOCUS ON.
UH, INITIALLY IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT TO DO ON PAGE ONE, WE HAVE TO SET PLANS FOR THE ENTIRE OF THE PROJECT AND THEN DO A SUBSET CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT.
SO AGAIN, UH, PKS, LOT OF GUYS THAT ARE WHAT I CALL XS THAT KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND UH, IT'S UNDER BUDGET, AGREE WITH SCOPE AND UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? YOU PUT THAT FROM COMMISSIONER SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ALTHOUGH IN SAY AYE.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO, I'M SORRY, JOHN, YOU I, THE REPORT I ASKED YOU TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND I SURE DON'T WANT NOT HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO NOT PUT TOGETHER JUST KIND OF A SEQUENCE OF WHERE ALL THE PROJECTS EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW.
MAKE SURE THE YOU I DO, I MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN ENOUGH, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I DO, WE CAN, OKAY, SO YOU HAVE TWO DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE HAVE, UH, ONE THAT'S FAMILIAR TO YOU, WHICH IS THE COUNTYWIDE PLANNING REPORT.
THATS ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY PURSUING AND EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS, UH, REPORT BEFORE BECAUSE WE MEET MONTHLY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND GIVEN STATUS ON WHAT THEIR, THEIR PROJECTS ARE DOING.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS START WITH THE SPREADSHEET, AND THIS IS WHAT I CALL A WORK IN PROGRESS SPREADSHEET.
SO WE PAY, YOU HAVE THE LIST OF
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PROJECTS AROUND THE BOND PACKAGE.THERE ARE 26 OF THEM WITH THE 26TH PROJECT, STRATEGIC PROJECT FUNDING DOWN TO THAT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BLUE COLOR IN THE PROJECT NAMES, REFERENCES.
THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS VERY AGGRESSIVE, HAVE 26 OF THOSE BOND PROGRAM PROJECTS.
UH, AND THEN THE YELLOW LINES TELL YOU THAT WE TOLD YOU WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO BACK IN, UH, 2014.
AND I'M ASSUMING WE THINK FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, UH, THE YELLOW INDICATES AREAS THAT HAVE CHANGED FROM NOT DOLLAR MAPS WITHIN EACH PROJECT.
BUT YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE'VE GOT THE 2014, THE 20 AND 20 ISSUANCE.
SO WHEN Y'ALL ISSUED DEBT, UH, THE FIRST TIME WE ISSUED 30,000,008, SIX AT THE BOTTOM AND THE 2014 ISSUANCE, UH, WE GOT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, INITIALLY WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SPREAD OUT THE, UH, ROAD BRIDGE AND I KNOW WE'RE THREE YEARS, THREE PERIOD, THE, UH, DIFFICULTY WITH THE SEASONS AND DI ALL THAT ISSUES UP TO, UH, 20.
SO WE HAD TO KEEP, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO STAY AROUND THAT 30,800,000.
SO WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS, WE HAVE TO REDUCE IN 2014 MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THAT PROJECT.
NOT REDUCE THE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THE PROJECT, BUT REDUCE IT FROM THAT.
WE JUST MOVE THEM OUT BACK AND FORTH FROM, UH, ISSU STATE.
SO YOU SEE THERE ONLY TWO PROJECT, UH, 10 16 41 AND HIGHWAY 34 THAT WE HAVE NOT, UH, PULLED THE TRIGGER ON TODAY.
SO YOU'LL NOTE TODAY THAT THIS IS GONNA GO, THIS IS GONNA CHANGE IN YOUR 2014 ISSUANCE BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED OR REFLECT YET, BUT WE, UH, GOT ALL THOSE FIRMS IN UNDER CONTRACT.
SO IF YOU'LL LOOK JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE ON THE, UM, UM, 5 48 PROJECT, 10, 11 AND 12, BOTH THOSE WERE COMBINED INTO ONE.
WE HAD ANTICIPATED MEETING ABOUT 1,000,005, WE ATTENDED ABOUT 1,000,003.
SO THAT'LL REDUCE, SO IN MY SPREADSHEET I HAVE A LITTLE NUMBER AND IN KAREN'S SPREADSHEETS SHE HAS A LITTLE NUMBER THAT SAYS I'M OVER ENCUMBERED BY ABOUT $400,000.
SO THAT $200,000 JUST CUT THAT IN HAND.
AND SO THOSE OTHER TWO CONTRACTS ARE PUT BACK INTO THE, SO AGAIN, I DON'T EVER WORRY ABOUT THE DETAILS UNTIL WE HIT THE, SO OUR BALANCES, SO THESE ARE THE 22 PROJECTS, VISA OR THE MONEY, THE GRAY IS WHAT WAS ISSUED TO, UH, THESE PROJECTS IN THE BOND PROGRAM.
AND UH, WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO BASED UPON OUR CONVERSATIONS SHORTLY IS I RECOMMEND THAT WE COMBINE FOR THE LAST TWO ISSUANCES IN ONE AND THEN, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT MANY THE MONEY, BUT I'M NOT COMMENDING TWO MORE ISSUANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ALL? SO WE'LL GO QUICKLY AND I'M GONNA RUN, I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT IF YOU WANTED TO ASK QUESTION, SO FIRST, UH, 2, 8 3 AT 25, 15, 27, 27 AND US 75 AT 1895, THEY'RE ALL BEEN, UH, GIVEN TO ENGINEERING FIRM FOR ENGINEERING ON THE FIRST TWO ON PAGE TWO AND THREE, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE VERY UNDER, UH, THE MOST QUALIFIED, MOST QUALIFIED AND WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION FROM THEM ON ENGINEERING SERVICES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PURSUING WITH THE DISTRICT IS TO GET THE DISTRICT TO AGREE TO ENGINEER THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE $200,000 A PIECE AND IF THE STATE NEEDS SOME OF THEIR FORCES TO, UH, ENGINEER THESE PROJECTS, THEN THAT LEAVES A FULL $600,000 OF OUR MONEY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION AS OPPOSED TO IT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, NOT SO MUCH THE BUR, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALS UNDERSTAND IT.
SO ALTHOUGH WE ARE PURSUING AN ENGINEERING CONTRACT WITH, WE'RE ALSO PURSUING THE STATE TO, UH, DO THE ENGINEERING SERVICES.
SO WE KEEP OUR MONEY ON CONSTRUCTION.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST TWO ON PAGE THREE A FOUR,
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THE 1 75 18 9 5 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT.UH, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANNA DO OUT THERE.
AND THIS PROJECT WHERE ACTUALLY BENEFITS, UH, TRAVEL AND PUBLIC MAY END UP BEING SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BOND PACKAGE.
AND I KNOW YOU GOT YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HERE AND HOPEFULLY YOUR BOND COUNSEL, IF I EVER TRY TO BREAK THE LAW, THEY'LL STOP YOU.
BUT ESSENTIALLY YOUR BOND PACKAGE, YOUR UH, BOND COVENANTS ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IF THE PROJECT FOR WHATEVER REASON CAN'T GO FORWARD AS ANTICIPATED IN THE
SO WE MAY LOOK AT CHANGING THE COURSES ON THIS INTERSECTION.
SO THOSE ARE THE FIRST THREE PROJECTS, ESSENTIALLY ADDING TURN LANES AND, AND THREE FOOT SO THAT THE TRAFFIC HAS A BETTER CHANCE TO TROUBLE.
NEXT PROJECT IS ON PAGE FIVE, IS THE US A LOCATION, UH, ONE CORRECTION ON THE SHEET WHERE IT SAYS POTENTIAL PROP ONE FUNDING IS ACTUALLY NO LONGER POTENTIAL.
UH, AND THIS IS A PROJECT WHERE WE FUNDED IT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD COST, UH, MINUS THE 500,000.
AND WE HAVE UH, UH, MICHAEL BAKER ASSOCIATES ON CONTRACT, UH, WE PICKED HIM UP IN, IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
AND THIS IS FUNDED DOWN THROUGH ONE FUNDING.
SO WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THAT ONCE WE LEFT THE PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE ANTICIPATING DOING THAT IN, UH, IN THE JULY NEXT YEAR TIMEFRAME, THAT, UH, WILL THEN REQUIRE THE COURT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON HOW THEY WANT USE THESE BOND NOT NEEDED ON THIS PROJECT ANYMORE.
WE FULLY FUNDED IT FOR BOND FUNDING AND THEN WE BACK, WE WENT AND GOT THAT MONEY, UH, PROP ONE.
SO THEY BASICALLY FUNDED TWICE.
THAT'S THE LEVERAGING THING THAT PEOPLE TOLERATE FOR ON ALL STUFF.
SO, UM, THAT PROJECT'S MOVING FORWARD LOOKING AT A JULY, 2016 TIMEFRAME.
AND, UM, ONCE THAT GETS LEFT, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS AND LET HIM KNOW THAT THE PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD PROPERLY AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THE COURT AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO THOSE DOLLARS? OKAY, SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 5 48.
UH, THIS IS THE PK CONTRACT, HOPEFULLY.
SO ONCE WE PASSED, WE'LL GET A CONTRACT, GET A TO, AND THEN WE'LL START HAVING, UH, UPDATE MEETING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANN.
THIS IS THE 9 86 PLAN PROJECT.
UH, LATER YOU ARE GONNA HEAR THAT THERE MAY BE AN IDEA, UH, A DESIRE TO RETHINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON 9 86 IN THE INTERIM, AND WE CAN COVER THAT, UH, AT THAT POINT IF YOU WANT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT WE'VE SELECTED FOR, IS JUST PENDING THE NEXT ITEM OF ACTION, WHICH IS FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANNA DEAL WITH THESE PROJECTS.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN, UH, THE CITY OF LL LIST ON THE BOND PACKAGE WHEN THE, UH, APPROVED.
OKAY, PAGE NINE IS THE
AND THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE'RE DOING BOTH AN INTERIM AND AN ULTIMATE AND WE'RE TYING IT INTO THE SH 12 FIVE STUDY FROM 78 AND CON ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 80.
AND, UH, SO GONE WITH THAT 1 1 75 SOUTH
THIS IS ONE I ALLUDED TO MOMENT AGO WHEN WE DON'T EVEN REALLY HAVE DAN ON CONTRACT YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING THE, UH, COST AND FEES AND THE SCOPE WITH, BUT ALLY, WE THOUGHT THE PROJECT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT 6.87 MILLION BUCKS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR MONEY, YOU ALWAYS ASK FOR MORE, RIGHT? SO, UH, IN THE TOP ONE, PHASE TWO LISTING THAT RTC APPROVED, I THINK EITHER SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR OR OCTOBER, WE GOT THIS PROJECT CONCLUDED IN THE, UH, PROP ONE FUNDING AT $9.2 MILLION.
AND I THINK IT WAS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SOUTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD AND WE'RE BRINGING 1 48 UP FROM THE NORTH.
WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS
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TIE 1 48 INTO 1 75 IS A GREAT SEPARATION.SO, UH, IT SHOULD WORK THAT WHAT COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT? SO THAT THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, YOU START THE ENGINEERING LINE, WE ALREADY GOT THE FUNDING.
SO HERE'S THE POINT I WANNA MAKE YOU START THE ENGINEERING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT $9.2 MILLION AND WE CAN'T SPEND ANY OF IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEARED, WE DON'T HAVE DONE RIGHT ACQUIRED, THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND WE HAVE TO MEET THAT DEADLINE.
SO WE JUST START AND THE MONEY COMES LATER.
AND WITH PROP SEVEN BEING PASSED, ALL OF THE SPACE BASED ENGINEERING IS PRETTY SMART BECAUSE I JUST WENT TO THE THING LAST WEEK FOR, THEY PLAN ON REALLY MOVING FAST ON PROP 7, 1 48 BACK ON, UH, BACK ON 1 7 5 ROAD MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR BEST YES PROJECT? I HATE THAT QUESTION.
WELL, THE MONEY IS IN, UH, 2019, BUT IT CAN BE MOVED UP IF THE PROJECT GETS READY.
SO WE'RE NO MORE ONCE WE GET THE ON CONTRACT AND THEY GIVE US AN IDEA WHAT, BUT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR BEFORE THAT TIME BECAUSE HAVE EXPIRATION.
AND THAT'S FY 19, WHICH IS A PARTIAL CALENDAR, WHICH ISN'T THAT FAR AWAY.
REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THERE'S PEOPLE YEARS AND HERE, SO THAT'S NOT VERY FAR AWAY.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT, NO, IT IS 1 48 5 HAS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HALF HAS.
UM, AND WE PUT THEM ON CONTRACT IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR AND WE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND WE JUST HAD TO MOST FREQUENTLY WITH, UH, NOVEMBER 2ND TOAND TO GIVE THEM A PRESENTATION.
PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON 1 48 BYPASS ALSO, UH, CONCLUDES GOING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH JUST INSTEAD OF JUST A GENERIC ALIGNMENT.
SO WE KNOW WHERE THE BEST PLACE IS TO HIT THAT 1 75 AREA GRADES.
SO THAT IS DOING A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL WORK OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE TO SET THE BEST ALIGNMENT NORTH SO WE CAN HIT THE, UH, 1 7 5 AT THE BEST LOCATION AND MOVING FORWARD.
AND EVERYBODY AT CRANDALL WAS VERY, VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE, WE SHOWED THEM.
ONE QUESTION, JOHN, UH, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE, WHICH HAD BEEN PREVIOUS.
IT ALSO HELPS US JUMP START PROJECTS AND WITH THIS, IT'S REALLY GONNA HELP US START OUR PROJECTS SINCE WE GOT ENGINEER AND EVERYTHING PROJECTS ABSOLUTELY.
AND AND I I LAST WEEK, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A PARADIGM SHIFT.
THEY INSTEAD COFFEE PROJECTS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PROGRAMS. THEY WANT WHAT THEY CALL, THEY WANT TO FUND THE PLAN.
FUND THE PLAN, FUND THE PLAN, FUND THE PLAN.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE 2040 MOBILITY PLAN, AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS WHEN THEY HAVE MONEY FOR PROP SEVEN, THEY WANT TO GO INTO THEIR PLAN, FIND PROJECTS THAT NEED LET AND ELECTRIC.
SO PART OF THE WAY YOU GET A PROJECT IN THE PLAN IS TO START THE PLAN SHOWING YOU SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
AND SO WE'RE RELATED TO MAKING SURE THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE IN PLAN THE WAY WE NEEDED TO BE.
SO WHEN PROP SEVEN DOES GO DOWN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROP SEVEN AND PROP ONE, PROP ONE FLUCTUATES DEPENDING UPON THE, THE GAS OIL AND GAS PROP SEVEN IS AS CLOSE TO A SUSTAINABLE REVENUE STREAM THAT CAN BE BANKED AS IS THE GAS TAX IS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A STEADY REVENUE STREAM SALES TAX, AND THEY PROJECT THAT FOR YEARS AND THEY KNOW TAX CERTAIN TYPE OF ECONOMY.
SO PROP SEVEN IS REAL MONEY, REAL SUSTAINABLE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, BANKABLE IN THE OUT HERE.
SO YOU CAN START DOING PLANNING A LOT BETTER, WHICH IS WHY THEY WANT TO START PUTTING PROJECTS IN THE PLAN.
AND SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE STARTING THE FACT THAT THE COGNOS, WE'VE GOT A BOND PACKAGE AND WE'RE DOING OUR PART TO CARRY OUR WATER, PUTS US FURTHER AHEAD OF ALL THOSE OTHER COUNTIES IN OUR BUSINESS.
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1 48, THIS IS FROM, UH, 13 TO NINE FOUR.THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY A RECENT START PROJECT WHERE WE'RE COMING IN AND REDOING THE SUBGRADE AND THE, UH, DRIVING ONE 12 FOOT THREE FOOT SHOULDERS.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, UH, UH, FAITH BASED ENGINEERING PROGRAM.
WE GOT ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION IN THE PROJECT, RIGHT? SOMEWHERE AROUND, UH, CONTRACT IN SEPTEMBER AND SIMPLY WORKING THE, UH, SURVEYING AND POURING AND ALL THE PRELIMINARY WORK TO START DOING THE ENGINEERING ON IT AND IT'S FORWARD.
ANY QUESTION ON, ALL RIGHT, THIS WAS THE ONE YOU DID TODAY WITH LTRA ON THE 34 MAIN LANES AND THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT, UH, SOME FUNDING IDENTIFIED, UH, USING, UH,
SO THE COUNTY AGREED TO DO THE INTERSECTIONS AND THE STATE AGREED TO DO THE ROAD AND COMBINED INTO ONE LIT JOB.
AND I THINK IT LETS, UH, MEGAN NEXT YEAR.
AND SO
ALRIGHT, UH, YOU SAW STAN LIN IN THE BACK.
HIS FIRM IS, UH, NICHOL AND THEY'RE DOING THE, UH, US A REGIONAL PLAN STUDY AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT Y'ALL HAD A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH THEM.
SO I DUNNO NEED TO TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON THERE OTHER THAN WE ARE TOWARDS THE END OF THE, UH, PROCESS.
AND THAT FREE NICHOLS IS REVISING DIFFERENT CONCEPTS FOR THE CORRIDOR AND THAT'S BASED ON SIGNIFICANT INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS IN THE CORRIDOR, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SAME ON THE THIRD PRAYER PLAN.
UH, AND THEY'RE VERY THOROUGH.
I WILL TELL YOU JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THREE NICKLES ARE DOING THIRD PRAYER PLANS.
COUNTY, COUNTY, ROCKWELL COUNTY.
SO WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY, THEY KNOW ABOUT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY.
SO WHATEVER THEY'RE TELLING YOU TO DO ON THAT 34 BYPASS, THIS IS IN THE CITY OF COFFIN IN A LOCAL, IT WAS, UH, EXECUTED BACK IN MARCH.
UM, THEY'RE PROCESSING THIS PROJECT AND THEY ARE SAYS THEY'RE 37 3% COMPLETE.
WHAT WE DO IS, UH, THIS IS A REIMBURSEMENT CONTRACT.
SO, UH, CO WORK SUBMIT THE INVOICES TO US IF THEY PROPERLY AND CONSISTENT WITH INTERLOCAL, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WE SEND TO THE AUDITOR, YOU GUYS, I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
51 MARCH, 2015, CONTRACT WITH KAUFMAN.
THEY WERE DOING, UH, KAUFMAN'S DOING THE ENGINEERING WORK.
UH, IT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP AT, UH, 2034 AND COUNTY ROAD 1 51, BUT THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED.
UH, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON RAWAY ACQUISITION DOCUMENTS AND UH, AS THEY PROCESS IT, WE'LL UPDATE THE REPORT AND THE CITY OF TON'S PROJECT MANAGER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD ON THE JOB.
OKAY, SO SPUR BOX 57 AND 1 48 NORTH, UH, 1641, ADVANCED PLANNING ALL KIND OF FIT INTO A SAME GENRE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT, I'M ASSUMING SHORTLY, BUT THERE WAS A EXECUTED THE CITY IN JULY, SO THIS YEAR THAT INCLUDED ALL THEIR PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE BOND PACKAGE TO SOME DEGREE OR ANOTHER.
UM, THE PROJECT, UH, IS, UH, AS, UH, DESIGNED IS APPROXIMATELY 63% COMPLETE FOR THIS PARTICULAR
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PROJECT ON 1 48 NORTH.THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON SOME FEMA COORDINATION, WHICH IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD TO DEAL WITH FEMA LATELY, IT'S GOTTEN A WHOLE LOT MORE DIFFICULT WITH THAT INCREASING WATER.
AND SO THAT PUSH THE LEFT DATE OUT A LITTLE BIT, OH, I FORGOT TO TELL YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT THEY DON'T WHERE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, IT'S CHANGED FROM THE REPORT FROM THE LAST TIME YOU SAW IT.
SO THAT WAY YOU CAN JUST SCAN THE YELLOW JUST TO SEE WHAT'S MOST RECENT INFORMATION.
AGAIN, PLEASE BE ISLAND BELIEVE THE TOPIC OF A CONVERSATION SHORTLY.
I BELIEVE 1641 ADVANCED CLAIM IS ONE OF THE TWO PROJECTS THAT'S ON HOLD.
UH, AND THIS ON HOLD PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE STATE, BUT IT GOES FROM, IT GOES NOT JUST IN, GOES IN 20 OF
AND SO WE'VE GOTTA WORK OUT SOME LOGISTICS ON THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO LET THAT PASSWORD ON PROJECT GO AWAY UNTIL WE PROPERLY.
SO 34 ADVANCED PLANNING, THIS IS A PROJECT WHERE WE'VE GOT ALTERNATIVES TO GO BETWEEN.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THE MAPS ARE NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING OTHER THAN REPRESENTATIVE OF GENERALLY THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF YOU SEE A MAP WITH A BLUE LINE ON IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OVER YOUR HOUSE, UH, IT'S JUST A CORD WHERE DESIGNATION, SO WE JUST PUT THE LINE ON THE EXISTING 34.
BUT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, PUTTING, UH, 34 ELSEWHERE.
WE HAVE NOT STARTED THIS PROJECT YET.
UH, THE REASON IS IS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 30 MILLION BUCKS AND IT DOESN'T GO AS ALL RIGHT, STRATEGIC PROJECT FUNDING, I TOLD YOU 26, UH, IS A SEPARATE PROJECT.
SO WE GO BACK TO YOUR SPREADSHEET, YOU TO EXPLAIN FROM THERE.
SO STRATEGIC PROJECT FUNDING, WE PUT 3 MILLION IN BOND PACKAGE AND WHAT THAT WAS IS I'VE NEVER DONE A BOND PACKAGE IN THE 27 YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS WHERE WE GOT IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND THERE WAS ALWAYS THINGS THAT CAME UP AFTER WE GOT THE BOND PACKAGE THAT TO BE ADDRESS STRATEGIC PROJECT FUNDING IS THAT Y'ALL, UH, FUNDING CENTER ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO REACT QUICKLY TO UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS OUT OF THE BAG WAS BACK BEFORE MY TIME AND PROBABLY BEFORE A LOT OF Y'ALL TIME, UH, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT MADE BETWEEN T AND KAUFMAN AND KAUFMAN COUNTY AND I THINK WAS SOME CO MONEY WHERE EVERYBODY AGREED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
WOULD EVERYBODY BE NICE AND PLAY NICE AND GET ALONG? HE COMMITTED COUNTY TO, UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I REMEMBER 2.7 MILLION BUCKS, UH, TOTAL.
THE COUNTY GOT A S LOAN STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK LOAN FOR A MILLION DOLLARS TO PURSUE ACQUISITION RIGHT AWAY.
WILL YOU AGREE TO TAKE THE WRONG THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE STATE.
WHAT THEY DON'T TELL YOU IS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IS RIGHT AWAY.
ACQUISITION AND UTILITY RELOCATION.
SO IT WAS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL SCOPE THAT WAS I THINK, UNANTICIPATED BY THE COUNTY.
PART OF IT ALSO WAS THAT WE PARTICIPATE ON PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
THE FIRST MILLION DOLLARS WAS USED TO ACQUIRE A RIDE OF WAY AND UH, SOME UTILITIES, BUT THAT MILLION DOLLARS, UM, DIDN'T COVER ALL THAT WAS NECESSARY.
SO WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE RIGHT AFTER BRO, VERY FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO WAS TAKE NINE $50,000 OUT TO FUND WHAT WE CALL THE, UH, 34 NORTH LOCAL PROJECT EVENTS FUNDING AGREEMENT.
THAT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THAT CONSTRUCTION JOB, UH, IN KAUFMAN.
AND THEN, UH, IF YOU'LL LOOK ON PROJECT 21, KEN ROAD 4 0 0 6 IN MAYBANK, WE HAD $200,000 IN THAT, UH, JOB TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THE, UH, BID CAME IN THAT JUST UNDER $210,000.
SO WE TRANSFERRED $10,000 FROM STRATEGIC FUNDING TO COUNTY ROAD
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4 0 0 6.THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE ONE THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE SURPRISE AS YOU GO DOWN THROUGH THESE WHERE, UH, THE COUNTY WAS RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACQUIRING RIGHT AWAY, THEY WERE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR UTILITY RELOCATION IN THOSE CORRIDORS.
SO WE HAD OAK GROVE WATER AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS A ENCORE I THINK EXCEPT OUTTA THE COUNTY'S RIGHT AWAY MONEY.
YOU GOT LOW GROUND WATER PARCEL, 23 FEET AND 24 EASEMENTS ON THAT PROJECT WE'RE ALL, UH, COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LAGE SIGN UP AT THE TOP OR FOR THE, AND THEN OP SUBMITTED US A, UH, WHAT WE CALL A RALLY LOCAL POLICY, ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRED A LOCAL MATCH OF $11,000 AND UNANTICIPATED.
SO I RECOMMENDED AND APPEARS THAT THE COURT APPROVED, UH, THOSE FUNDS COMING OUTTA THAT.
SO WE'LL GO BACK UP TO LINE 26.
WE STARTED WITH $3 MILLION IN, UH, STRATEGIC PROJECT FUNDING TODAY WE SPENT $1,976,986 AND 80 CENTS.
WE HAVE SPENT IT, SOME OF IT WE SPENT, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IN THAT IS 1,023,000, 1350.
SO Y'ALL ALREADY PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND LOOK TO, TO FIRST, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, I GOT THIS PROBLEM AND THAT, SO THIS GO DO THE UH, 2 0 5.
SO BASICALLY 2 0 5 ISN'T ON OUR PACKAGE NECESSARILY OTHER THAN, UH, WE WERE MONITORING, UH, ONE X UP AND DOING.
AND THAT MAP SHOWS YOU THE CORRIDORS IN ALL THREE COUNTIES, COFFMAN, ROCKWELL, AND COL COUNTY.
UH, AND THE TAR PROJECT, THE 1 48 JOB TAKES THIS REGIONAL CORRIDOR AND EXTENDS SOUTH TO I 20, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
IT'S A, IT'S A PART OF A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT CORRIDOR, IS THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD.
WE'RE COORDINATING WITH DENNIS, UH, ON THEIR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE STATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE, UH, DESIRES, HOPE, AND OF THE COUNTY AND THAT YOU DID.
NOW ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ON THE STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5, IT DOES SHOW THAT IT WOULDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO ACCIDENT.
WELL, NO, UH, THAT'S AN ARROW IN PROJECT SO THAT, THAT BLACK LINE IS JUST AN ARROW STOP.
IT STOPS AT THEIR PROJECT, STOPS AT, IT'S THE TAR JOB THAT CONTINUES ON FOR 20.
I THOUGHT DON'T WORRY ABOUT TOO EARLY.
IF YOU, IF YOU ELEVATE THE RAILROAD INSTEAD OF THE ROAD, THE RAILROAD IS ALREADY THERE AND YOU'RE ALREADY ARE ON WHERE WE CROSS, YOU CAN ELEVATE JUST ENOUGH TO NOT MAKE, MAKE US GO DOWN AND GO UNDER, WELL IT DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW WE CAN GET THE RAILROAD.
AND NOW I FORGOT TO TELL YOU, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER I BACKGROUND, SO NO TOO FAR DOWN THESE QUESTIONS.
I'M START LOOKING ONE'S GOTTA BE LIKE 18 TO 20 FEET.
YOU TALKING, YOU STRETCH DOWN 200 FEET, RAISE THAT WHOLE THING.
LEMME JUST SAY I CAN HEAR ALL INTO YOUR BRAIN WHIRLING BACK HERE AND ALL TECHNICAL.
SO I OVERSIMPLIFY IT BECAUSE IT, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
I THINK SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ONE THE SIDETRACK.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE ONES WE LOOKED AT, RIGHT? AND THOSE ARE THE ONES ARE FAR ENOUGH THAT DO ALL THAT GO SIDETRACK OR,
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YOU KNOW, PERIOD.I NEVER, I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER MONEY ON WHAT THE RAILROAD WILL WON'T ALLOW YOU TO DO.
THAT'S, YOU GOT MONEY TO JUDGE.
I JUST WANTED THANK JOHN FOR HIS TIME TODAY, JOHN AND THE JUDGE AND I TO KEEP THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE ERS INFORMED.
WE HAD A GOOD DIALOGUE OVER A COUPLE OF DAYS, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING THE DRAWDOWN PLAN FOR THESE FUNDS AND, AND IT'S JOHN'S BELIEF THEN THAT, THAT WE'VE GOT ABOUT 18.8 MILLION IN THE BANK TODAY.
THERE YOU GO, JOHN SUSPENDED AND UH, AND JOHN'S FEELING IS WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT IN, IN A LIQUID FORM.
AND, AND I JUST, IF FROM YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY THAT ANYTHING CHANGED FROM THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN GO AND INVEST FOR NINE MONTHS OR A YEAR? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT.
THAT'S ALL WE WANTED TO CLARIFY.
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? AND IT'S AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY, SO IF YOU GET PEOPLE THAT NEED IT, I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU.
YOU MIGHT POST IT UP OR SEND, UPDATE THE SPREADSHEET.
GOT ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER SEVEN.
AND THAT WILL BE ORDER TO DISCUSS COUNTY RESOLUTION FOR YES SIR.
AND IT, HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE, UH, THE AMOUNT IS THEY TAKE 50% OF THE POPULATION BASED AND 50% OF THE SPENDING OF THE INDIGENT DEFENSES CALCULATE THAT.
LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED 99, 9 65 AS OF FRIDAY OR THURSDAY, UH, THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER BUT ASSUMED IT WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME.
SO THEY'RE TAKING THOSE POPULATION AND THE ATION, WHAT WAS IT? 99, THE ESTIMATED 99.
UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE BETWEEN 16 OFFICIAL HOLIDAYS FOR COFFEE COUNTY EMPLOYEES.
WE DO THIS, UH, A LITTLE EARLIER.
UH, PEOPLE HOLIDAYS ARE NEXT YEAR, PART MONTHS OF JANUARY.
AND SO, UH, THESE, I BELIEVE WERE FOLLOW UP WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
YOU KNOW, IT IS A BIG FINANCIAL COMMITMENT WITH THE COUNTY MATES TO THE EMPLOYEES, UH, FOR THE HOLIDAYS THAT ARE PAID AND, AND PEOPLE SCOFF AND SAY THAT THAT'S OVERLY GENEROUS, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST, WE'RE COMING UP ON VETERANS DAY AND THAT'S GONNA BE A PAIN TO HOLIDAY FROM THE COUNTY.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT TIME FOR THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO HAVE WITH THEIR FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, TO REFLECT ON THE SACRIFICES, UH, THAT SO MANY MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE MADE, UH, SINCE OUR INCEPTION.
AND, AND, AND THAT IS A GOOD REMEMBRANCE THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE.
YOU KNOW, NOW ME, YOU KNOW, I I'M GROWING MY HAIR ALONG TO REMIND ME TO PRAY FOR MY FRIEND.
WE ALSO MASS, HE WAS A, AN ASSISTANT CHIEF IN THE UNIVERSITY
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PARK FIRE DEPARTMENT.YOU KNOW, HE, UH, HE'S A YOUNG MAN IN HIS MID FORTIES AND, AND HE'S GOT CANCERS THAT THAT SEEM TO POP UP ONLY IN FIREFIGHTERS.
AND, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE A PAID HOLIDAY FOR RUSS, BUT, BUT I CAN DO SOMETHING TO MAKE ME REMEMBER TO PRAY FREQUENTLY.
SO I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE COURT FOR MAKING THIS GENEROUS, UH, PACKAGE FOR THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES KNOWING THAT IT, THAT IT IS CLARK TO HELP US REMEMBER, HELP US REMEMBER GI JULY COURT, HELP US REMEMBER THE OF OUR SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I WOULD MAKE THAT THIS COMES UP EVERY YEAR.
UH, WE'LL CLOSE ALL FACILITIES AT THREE O'CLOCK ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER THE 23RD.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE, IT'S PRETTY THIN AROUND THE COURT.
EXTRA HOURS TO LEAVE ON TRIPS THAT THEY MAY HAVE NEED TO TAKE THE REST OF THE HOLIDAYS.
WELL, THE SAME ONLY NEXT YEAR ON THE 11TH.
IT DOES ON DAY IT DOES FRIDAY.
MR. ALLEN SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, NEXT ITEM IS TO DISCUSS LINE TRANSFERS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MOTION TO ACCEPT MR. THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
DISCUSS YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE ONE AND TWO, $18,451 AND 8 CENTS.
YOU GOT, UM, THE INFORMATION ON THE LISTING OF THE BILLS AND YOUR RIGHT DOWN AND MAINLY A LOT OF THAT HAD TO BE, UM, INSURANCES AND UH, BARN EXPENDITURES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION.
I HAD ONE QUESTION ON, ON THE POC, UM, FACILITY FAILED PAY, BUT IT WAS FOUR INVOICES FROM, UM, THE GENERATOR COMPANY.
THEY ALL THAT, THAT UNIT IS BRAND NEW.
I WOULD ASSUME EVERYTHING SHOULD BE A WARRANT THERE, AN ISSUE WITH IT, STEVE, YOU GOT SOME INTERNAL, WHEN WE BOUGHT THOSE TO KEEP THEM UP TO THE STANDARDS REQUIRED FOR A COMMUNICATION CENTER AND EOC, WE DID A PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND THOSE ARE THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE CHECKS WE GOT BEHIND.
THE FOUR INVOICES ARE FOR ONE DONE IN JUNE AND ONE DONE AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER AND THEY WERE CLOSER TOGETHER THAN NORMAL, BUT IT TOOK TWO SEPARATE QUARTERS IN THE CALENDAR YEAR.
THEY, BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, THEY'RE BILL PER UNIT.
AND I HAVE STARTED LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S A ANOTHER WAY WE COULD DO THAT.
MAYBE A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE AND HOPEFULLY I CAN BRING THAT TO YOU DOWN.
WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY JUST START 'EM UP.
THEY START 'EM UP, DO THE OIL AND FILTER AND
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FILTER EVERYTHING.AND THEN ONCE A YEAR THEY DO A LOAD TEST.
BUT ONCE A YEAR THEY DO A LOAD TEST AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH A BUNCH OF OTHER PROCEDURES ANNUALLY.
AND WHEN THEY DO THEIR LOAD TEST, UH, THEY'RE USUALLY RUN IT ON GENERATOR POWER FOR 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.
I SAY WOULD THAT BE CRITICAL? BUT UM, THE OTHER, LET'S LOOK AND THEY DID FIND ONE WHERE, UH, IN JULY THE, UH, STARTER HAD GONE OUT WHEN THEY DID THEIR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.
NOW IT WAS, THAT PART WAS WARRANTED, SO WE DIDN'T PAY FOR THAT.
BUT UH, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.
I BELIEVE IT'S A YEAR AND THAT'LL BE, WE WERE COMMISSIONED SOMEWHERE AT THE END OF JANUARY AND OBJECTION WOULD BE THE SAME PRICE NEXT YEAR TOO.
UNLESS I CAN FIND SOMEBODY CHEAPER.
AND I AM WORKING ON THE COULD YOU CALL OUR NEXT TIME WE DO A CHECK? NOW I UNDERSTAND TRYING TO SAVE MONEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN IF EVEN IF HE WANTS, NEED TO DO IT IN BETWEEN, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE KNOW HOW TO DO AT LEAST WE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
HUNDRED PERCENT NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE KNOW ABOUT IT.
GENERAL, UH, WE RUN HER AND HER ATTORNEY OR JUST, UH, YEAH, WE HAVE THAT DEPARTMENT.
CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT? THE TOTAL DOLLARS? SURE.
TO COME CHECK THESE UNITS WHEN THEY CHECK TWO AT A TIME.
IT SEEMS A LITTLE CHARGE MILES.
YEAH, THEY COME TO CHECK TWO UNITS AT A TIME.
IT'S JUST THAT WE NEED TO
AND SEE, GO THROUGH WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER IF YOU CAN.
THE MILEAGE THING IS YOU PUT THE TWO TOGETHER IS WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING FOR MILEAGE.
THEY SPLIT IT AND PUT IT ON EACH GENERATOR AND I'VE TRIED TO TALK TO 'EM TO GET 'EM TO PUT EVERYTHING ON ONE INVOICE AND THEY WON'T DO IT.
SO, WELL IT'S NOT SPLIT, IT'S ONLY ALL FOUR INVOICES, SO IT'S NOT SPLIT OUT.
WELL WHAT I'M SAYING IS EACH GENERATOR HAS A MILEAGE CHARGE ON IT.
IT SAYS MILEAGE AND FUEL SURCHARGE.
INCLUDED FOR FOR EACH GENERATOR? YES.
SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS BASED UPON THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IS THEIR MILEAGE IS BEING APPLIED TO EACH GENERATOR.
WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING IS YOU PUT THE TWO MILEAGES ONE FOR EACH GENERATOR TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING, BUT THEY SPLIT IT AND PUT SOME ON EACH GENERATOR.
CAN YOU GET US A COPY OF THAT? UH, YES SIR.
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THE ORIGINAL BILL CALLED AN ATTORNEY WAS 6,001 50.AND THE JUDGE YES, YOU'RE WELCOME.
OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PIPE? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE YOU GOT THERE? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
I'LL MOTION A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER 11 IS TO DISCUSS THE KAUFMAN COUNTY UNLIMITED TAX ROAD BOND SERIES 2014 AND YOUR BOND ISSUES IN OUR LOCAL, WITH THE CITY OF CARROLL, CITY OF CAMAN REGARDING ROAD PROJECT TO REVENUE REIMBURSEMENTS FROM
UH, WE HAVE, I THINK WE FURTHER THIS DISCUSSION ON DOWN THE LITTLE BIT IN A CLOSED SESSION, BUT UH, OR FIRST NIGHT SLIDE, MIKE, IF YOU AND MIKE SIMS WOULD, UH, KIND OF COME UP DOUBLE TEAM UP A LITTLE BIT HERE, THIS POINT ON EXACTLY WHAT CITY OF LL AND THE CITY OF CALIN ARE REQUESTING THAT THE COURT DO, WE DO HAVE OUR BOND ATTORNEY HERE WITH US THIS MORNING AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, SO I'LL ASK HIM TO SPEAK AFTER Y BUT JUST SO ALL THE COURT, WHICH I THINK WE UNDERSTAND AND THE AUDIENCE AND EVERYBODY'S HERE KIND TALK TO US TOGETHER.
AND IT'S KIND OF WITH TWO MICS UP HERE AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S KIND OF ACTUALLY THE M INVOICE.
AND, AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET AS WELL AS THE, THE COUNTY STAFF.
I'M MIKE SIMON, THE NEW CITY MANAGER HERE, ATMAN.
ALTHOUGH COUNSEL HAS ASKING TO DROP THE NEW VERNACULAR.
I THINK THE, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE MID-JUNE, UM, SURVIVED THE QUESTION AND THAT SURVIVED THE FIRST
WHAT MIKE SIMS AND I ARE HERE, UH, REPRESENTING OUR TWO COMMUNITIES FOR IS THE IDEA OF, UH, TAKING THE PASS THROUGH TOLL MONEY THAT IS, UH, SCHEDULED TO, TO COME BACK TO US BOTH THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY, UH, FOR THE 34 BYPASS SITUATION AND IT TO OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, AND SPECIFICALLY IN IN THE CITY COFFINS, UH, AREA WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UNLIKE WHAT I PRESENTED TO UNION RESOLVE, UH, WE ANTICIPATE SOME COST OVERRUNS FOR THE COUNTY 1 51 PROJECT.
THE FIRST COST ESTIMATE THAT I GOT ON THAT DEAL WAS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION OVER BUDGET.
SO WE SENT THAT ENGINEER RIGHT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, SAID, HERE'S THE BUDGET, LET'S, AND, AND JOIN SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WE'RE STILL QUITE FRANKLY WORKING ON THAT.
BUT, UH, SO I'M NOT PREPARED TODAY TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT'S, YOU USE THAT ADDITIONAL THREE 8 MILLION THAT WE WOULD ORDINARILY YOU TOLD PASTOR TOLD.
UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS TO ALLOW ME TO COME BACK AND PRESENT THAT SCOPE OF WORK TO YOU, UH, AS OPPOSED TO PROVIDING THOSE DOLLARS BACK TO THE COUNTY, APPLYING THEM TO VERY PUBLIC PROJECTS RIGHT HERE IN THE COMMITTEE, MIKE? SURE.
UH, CAROL'S BUILDING THE FM 1 48 NORTH PROJECT.
UH, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES.
THAT'S A PROJECT THAT RUNS FROM
UM, RIDGE AT THAT LOCATION, UH, F1 48 BURG 5 57.
UH, WE FOUND MORE ISSUES THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD WHEN WE INITIALLY, UM, UH, BROUGHT THE PROJECT FORWARD.
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WE FELT THERE WAS A NEED TO REARRANGE THE RAMPS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT BRIDGE.UH, THOSE ARE THE WESTBOUND FOR 5 57 RAMPS.
SO WE'RE REARRANGING THOSE AS PART OF THE F1 48 NORTH PROJECT.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, AS JOHN MENTIONS, THE, THE ISSUES MORE COMPLICATED THAN WERE SCOPED ORIGINALLY.
ALL OF THOSE, UH, ISSUES ARE, ARE PUTTING A VERY SUBSTANTIAL COST ON THE F1 48 NORTH PROJECT IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT.
UH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO COME FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU JUST GIVE THE CITY MORE MONEY? UH, WE FELT LIKE, UH, WE COULD HANDLE THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON OUR OWN.
THE ONLY HELPING HANDLING THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO FINISH THE F PROJECT IS FOR US TO, UH, RECEIVE THE PASS THROUGH FUNDS, UH, GENERATED BY THE PROJECT TO GET BACK, UH, ON ONTO THE PROJECT.
UH, AND THAT WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT, UH, WE, JOHN MAY AND AS FAR AS COUGH IS CONCERNED, I ADD ONE MORE THOUGHT TO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH A BOND COMMITTEE POINTING TOWARD MAY LAW AND THE DECISION TO AMEND OUR INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE PASTOR HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON WHAT IT IS OUR BOND COMMITTEE IS, IS, UH, IN ANTICIPATING AND CONSIDERING TO PUT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL FOR A POTENTIAL COLLECTION THAT, SO CONSEQUENTLY WE VOTE, MIKE AND I, UH, HAD ASKED THE JUDGE AND OUR RESPECTIVE COMMISSIONERS TO PRESENT THIS POTENTIAL AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF YOU NOW SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FROM A CONFERENCE STANDPOINT, YOU WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE, UH, SOME TIME TO DIGEST AND PUT THAT INTO OUR PUZZLE THAT WE'RE WORKING LOCALLY TO, TO, TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE CITIZENS WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR.
AND RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, UH, MAIN PROJECT YOU HAD IS A 1 51 COST OVERRUN.
AND, AND THE OTHER CONSIDERATION MIGHT BE TO EXTEND THE, UH, THE SOUTHERN SIDE 1 75 FRONT ROAD, UH, BEYOND THE, THE, THE LAW CENTER THAT YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE NOW.
YOU HAVE THAT IN IT WOULD BET DISCUSSIONS OR EVALUATION.
AND THE AMOUNT OF THE, UH, PASS THROUGH TOTAL PRECAU WOULD BE 3.8.
SCHEDULED THREE AND NINTH ON THE CITY OF
SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE TWO ELEMENTS AND ONE OF OURS IS THE 57 FRONTAGE ROAD.
THERE'S FUNDS FROM THAT ONE, UH, THAT ARE ABOUT 3 MILLION FUNDS, ABOUT MILLION, 5 MILLION.
AND THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT AND THAT ASKED JOHN TO COME UP.
SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PASS THROUGH FUNDING WE HAVE IS 10.3 MILLION BASED ON WHAT YOU TODAY ESTIMATE IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 10 MILLION.
THE PASS THROUGH CALLING HAS A MINIMUM AND A MAXIMUM BASED UPON THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF CARS OF TRAVEL THAT AREA.
AND SO THIS KIND OF HIT THE MIDDLE OF THAT FOR ASSUMPTIONS BECAUSE YOUR, UH, TREASURER AND YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, THEY NEED NUMBERS IN ORDER TO CALCULATE.
AND SO WE DO A, UH, VERY SCIENTIFIC GUESS I WHAT THOSE ARE BASED UPON THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, UM, AND I'LL JUDGE, I THINK YOU REMEMBER WHEN I, WE WERE DOING THE BOND COMMITTEE AND DAN'S BACK THERE WITH
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SPIRITED, WHETHER IT WAS TO BE USED FOR DEBT SERVICE OR WHETHER IT WOULD BE USED FOR FLYING THOSE ROAD DOLLARS BACK INTO ROADS AT THE TIME, UH, THE GROWTH RATE WASN'T AS DECENT AS WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE DOING NOW.AND SO THE COLLECTIVE DECISION WAS TO, UH, SHOW THE DEBT SERVICE BEING REDUCED BY THE
UH, MY POSITION'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT ONCE YOU HAVE ROAD DOLLARS AVAILABLE TO YOU REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE, IT'S YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROAD DOLLARS TO NOT SPEND ROAD ON ROADS.
AND I THINK TRAVELING PUBLIC WITH PROJECTS, AND I'M WORKING MR. SLIDE TALKING TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE REASONABLY SIGNIFICANT FROM THE COUNTYWIDE STANDPOINT, UH, THAT THE TRAVELING PUBLIC GETS A BETTER BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.
THOSE DOLLARS BEING INVESTED BACK INTO ROADS THAN SERVICE.
NOW, YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THEY THINK AND THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS RIGHT.
UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY SAY.
AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT YES, YOU CAN USE IT FOR DEBT SERVICE.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE AND THE LACK OF, UH, AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR TRANSPORTATION, THAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FIND PROJECTS.
OPEN'S ALREADY BEEN ABOUT A VERY SIGNIFICANT REGIONAL SIGNIFICANT PROJECT AND C THOSE DOLLARS FOR ROADWAY.
UH, I GUESS WHAT OTHER PASS THROUGH PROJECTS? I KNOW FORNEY HAD PASSED THROUGH THAT'S THE, UH, 1641 THAT, THAT WAS ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE JURISDICTIONAL.
THEY HAVE ONE NOW THAT I GUESS WAS EXISTING BEFORE WE PASSED THE COUNTY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS, UH, ONE OF THE ONES IDENTIFIED 5 48 AND 80 AND THAT'S NOT PART OF, THIS WASN'T THE ONLY ONES WERE WE HAD WERE THE ONLY WAS CALLED MATERIAL ABOUT IN THE PAST TO AND THE REST OF THE CITY.
AND THEY RECEIVED AN APPROVAL FOR THAT PAST CONSULTING PROJECT THAT WAS NOT FULLY AND WITHIN CORN.
SO THEY CAN'T EXECUTE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DO IS WORK BECAUSE PO'S ALLOWED TO HIRE A PROJECT MANAGER, MANAGE THE JOB FOR THAT.
WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT COL COUNTY REPRESENTS BOTH
SO THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO WE HAD REPAYMENTS ON.
THERE WERE THREE TWO IN WARREN KAUFMAN AND UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY ALL BE PLOW, PLOW BACK INTO THE ROAD, BUT THEY COULD BE PLOWED BACK INTO COUNTY ROAD.
SO WE COULD YOU SAY THE PASS THROUGH WE COULD COUNTY ROAD? YEAH.
ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGESTING IS THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE MONIES ON THE BOND PROGRAM, ALL THESE PROJECTS OTHER THAN THE COUNTY ROAD DOLLARS WERE EARMARKED FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER HIGH CAPACITY ROADS.
AND SO JUST TO KEEP WITHIN THE GENRE OF WHAT THE DOGS MUTUALLY WERE LOOKING FOR, WE WERE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT HAD HIGHER SIGNIFICANCE, MORE MOBILITY.
BUT YES, WE SHARE, WE SHARE ONE THAT'S REALLY LONG WELL YOU HIRE ARE ABOUT TO $2 MILLION BACK ON UH,
PROP ONE COMES IN, I THINK EVERY PRECINCT PASSING ROADS THAT ARE GETTING SUCH HIGH TRAFFIC THAT THEY ALMOST NEED TO BE FARM MARKET ROAD TODAY IS A DIFFERENT VOLUME.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY THAT ON THE 16TH POINT, I MEAN ON THE, UH, 20 TO 80 BASICALLY 20 16 1, THERE'S SO MANY WE'LL NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET THAT DONE.
THE STATES LIKE TO GET RID OF FLYING MARKETS, NOT WE'LL DO IT IF WE HAD A MEETING, UH, COUPLE MONTHS AGO BY PROJECT, UH, PRECINCT, PROBABLY EVERY PRECINCT HAS SOME THAT ARE SUCH HIGH VOLUME.
SO WHAT YOU SPEND THE MONEY ON
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IS, UH, DECISIONS THAT Y'ALL CAN MAKE.I'LL SAY THAT THESE TWO COMMUNITIES NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING FAIRLY QUICKLY.
UH, GERALD IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S TAKING MONEY FROM ONE BOND PROGRAM SINCE WE PUT IT ON ANOTHER LOCAL TO, LEMME ASK YOU THIS, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ANOTHER MEETING.
UM, TO BE CLEAR, THE MONEY'S NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE UNTIL T PAYS IT BACK.
SO THEREFORE THEY'RE GONNA SELL BONDS USING OUR PASTURE MONEY AS COLLATERAL TO BE PAID TECHNICALLY LL CAST THAT WE WERE NEVER GONNA GET ANYTHING FROM THE STATE.
THE, THE CITY OF LL AND COMP GET PAID BY THE STATE AND THEN THEIR, THEIR GENERAL LOCAL SAYS THAT BASED UPON OUR PERCENTAGE PARTICIPATION IN CONSTRUCTION OF THAT JOB WE'VE RECEIVED, BASED UPON WHAT THAT ENDED UP BEING, WE THINK THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 MILLION, UH, IN THE, BUT TERRY'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE RISK OF RECEIVING THOSE DEBT DOLLARS AND BOND THAT OUT NOW.
SO THEY PHYSICAL PROOF OF WHAT YOU MONEY SPENT ON AS WOULD THE NINE $86 MILLION FOR THAT.
IS THAT ENTER INTO THIS? WELL, YEAH, THE, THE HERE'S, I GUESS IT'S REALLY A COMPLIMENT.
UH, THE COUNTY FIRM PLAN SEEMS TO BE DOING THE WORK WE WANTED DONE ON THE F 9 86 PROJECT, WHICH IS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE REALIGNED RIGHT NOW, 9 86 COMES RIGHT BY THE LL HIGH SCHOOL AND IT WINDS ITS WAY THROUGH TOWN.
WHAT WE WANTED OUT OF THE BOND PROGRAM WAS AN ALIGNMENT AND REALLY FREE NICHOLAS DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB WITH THE
IT'S GOT
SO THAT PROJECT, UH, DOESN'T NEED ITS OWN INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING FIRM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA GO WORK ON DRIVEWAY FOR A WHILE.
SO, UH, PART OF THE PROPOSAL IS TO TAKE OUT $1 MILLION AND SHIFT IT IN ONTO THE F 48 NORTH PROJECT BEFORE WE GET THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR.
Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THESE THREE GENTLEMEN? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE MAY HAVE OTHER THINGS POP UP, UH, TOM, UH, POLL IF YOU COME UP AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, SORRY, COME UP.
I DUNNO WHICH ONE OF YOU TWO NEED TO GO FIRST, BUT I'LL LET YOU DETERMINATE.
UH, TOM POLL IS WITH OUR BASE, OUR BOND ATTORNEY THAT YOU REMEMBERED BEFORE THE PUT TOGETHER.
AND THEN GEORGE WIL LONG TIME FINANCIAL ADVISOR, FIRST SOUTHWEST.
UH, THEY HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF REQUESTS FROM THE TWO COMMUNITIES AND I'VE ASKED THEM TO COME AND GIVE US THEIR, THEIR WISDOM AND THEIR THINKING, MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN DO, I'M FIRST SUGGEST WE, GEORGE CAN GO OVER AND SHOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE REIMBURSEMENTS ARE, DISCUSS COMPANY AND JUDGE WOOD HAD ASKED, UH, LAST WEEK IF I COULD BRING THE, UH, DEBT STRUCTURE, THE MODEL THAT WAS, UH, CREATED WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, BOND PROGRAM FROM THE OUT OF 56 MILLION IN TOTAL.
JUST TO CLARIFY, SO A BIT AGO THAT I SAID WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY KIND OF ADVOCACY POSITION ON WHAT THE COMMISSION COURT DOES, DOESN'T DO.
WE'RE JUST GONNA REPORT, UH, THE FACTUAL POSITION AS TO WHAT THE FINE STRUCTURE, UH, WAS CREATED AND THEN, UH, THE COURT MAKE DETERMINATIONS
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ACCORDINGLY.WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, THIS SPREADS OF 56 MILLION INTO THREE 30 OCCURRING OCCUR AND 2016 AS IT WAS PROJECTED.
AND THEN THE FINAL 18 MILLION IN WHAT I JUST SAW THIS MORNING WAS THAT THAT TIMING MAY IN FACT BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS IT STANDS IN THAT 21 AND THEN THAT ROUGHLY FOUR PLUS MILLION FOR ECONOMIC REASONS.
ALL OF WHAT THAT DOES IS PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESSURE FROM, UH, WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IN HANDED OUT THIS TAXABLE VALUE PROJECTIONS, EVERYTHING ON AND BEING CONSERVATIVE AS ALWAYS, ALWAYS TRY TO BE.
WE DID ASSUME AN ONGOING 1% ANNUAL GROWTH IN TAX VALUE, UH, REASONABLY UPDATED THAT JUST, UH, QUESTION ON 2% NECESSARILY IMPACT.
UH, THE REASON THAT'S SO CONSERVATIVE IS THE COUNTY ACTUALLY LOST VALUE THREE YEARS AGO FROM 2008.
EACH OF THOSE AND ONLY SO BACK ABOUT WHERE YOU WERE IN THOUSAND TAX COUNTY PROPERTY.
UH, MOVING ACROSS THIS, UH, MODEL, UH, COLUMN, G AND H ARE REALLY, LET'S SAY DEBT, UH, SERVICE OF THE COUNTY, UH, INCLUDING THE TRANSPORTATION, THEIR PLUS DEBT, THE COUNTY, AND THEN THE TAX RATE WILL REQUIRED OF THOSE TAX VALUES.
AND WHAT'S REALLY KEY, WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TODAY IS ON I BACK IN THOUSAND 13, BASED ON INFORMATION FROM NICKOL RELATED TO THREE PROJECTS, UH, WE, UH, ASSUMED A 20 YEAR OF RECEIPT PERIOD FOR EACH OF THOSE PASS THROUGH, UH, PAYMENTS.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN COLUMN I AND IT THAT THE INITIAL ONE WAS COMMENCED IN THOUSAND 5,000 AND THEN THE OTHERS KICKED IN IN THE BULK OF THE YEARS, ABOUT 4 95 YEAR BEING RECEIVED.
THE MOVE ALL THE WAY COLUMN K, THE TAX THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AFTER THOSE PAYMENTS.
BOTTOM LINE, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THE VALUE IS, WHETHER IT'S PERCENT 2% ANNUAL GROWTH, THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS HAS PAYMENT SHOWN HERE ON THIS TAX TAX RATE.
UH, DIFFERENCE FOR THIS TAXPAYER OF COUNTY HIGHER VALUE GROWTH IS BETWEEN 26 AND 27 10TH TAX.
UH, IF THOSE PAYMENTS ARE DIFFERENT, SHORTER PERIOD OR THEY DON'T KICK IN, UH, OR WHATEVER, IT'S STILL A MATTER OF IT'S MONIES THAT ESSENTIALLY, UH, UH, BASIS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NONE SENTENCE TIME.
AND I THINK YOU CAN ASSUME SAYS STATEMENT, THE QUESTION IS JUST HOW YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE PAYMENTS IN THE PASSING TO PROGRAM ARE GOVERNED YOU A MINIMUM BASE AND IF THE TRAFFIC COUNT IS OVER THAT THEN THE PAYMENTS CAN COME BACK, COME UP FASTER.
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THE MINIMUM AMOUNT BASED ON THAT TO THE TOTAL.IF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS HIGHER, YOU'RE NOT GETTING MORE MONEY.
SO THAT IS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.
I THINK THEY'RE BEING PAID BACK WELL.
SO THIS $56 MILLION BOND PROGRAM WITHOUT ANY PAYMENTS IS COSTING THE COUNTY HUNDRED 18,035,000.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT INCLUDE THE OTHER TRANSPORTATION ADDED TOGETHER AND THAT'S BASED ON THE TIMING ISSUANCE STATUS AND THEN ALSO WE'RE ASSUMING HIGHER INTEREST RATES, THE ONES THAT OCCURRED AND THEN THE PASS THROUGH AMOUNT PASS.
MY, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S A CONTRACT STATE THAT TEN THREE, SO IT'D BE 7 0 7 4 7 2 WITH ALL PAST THREE MONTHS PROVIDED BACK WILL POP SEVEN MONIES, UH, THAT ANY GOT IS LIGHTS.
AND SO YOU BASED ON BUYING TRAFFIC, HOPEFULLY HELP EVERYBODY YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT JOHN, UH, THE PROP SEVEN MONEY WOULD, WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS DEBT.
IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO MORE PROJECTS AND, AND RELOCATE OUR MONEY ALLOCATED TO THESE PROJECTS.
AND JUST THE POINT I PUT ON THIS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT, REMEMBER 1 75, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT WHILE I WAS OVER HERE, 75
SO SECOND 1 75 SOUTH ROAD, YOU'RE PUTTING IN 2.1 MILLION IN BOND.
SO WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING TAX RATE, YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHATEVER THE MONEY GOES FOR AS FAR AS HOW YOU PAY FOR STUFF.
THESE GUYS ARE RIGHT THAT, UH, YOU GOT A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY AND YOU'RE GONNA PAY WHAT YOU AGREE TO PAY FOR THAT.
AND WHETHER YOU GET ADDITIONAL PROCEEDS FROM PASS THROUGH OR NOT, YOU STILL OWE THAT, THAT TYPE OF MONEY.
ONLY I WOULD WANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEDGER IS THAT WHEN YOU SPEND A DOLLAR, WHEN I SPEND MILLION DOLLARS, I'M GOING TO TURN IT INTO EIGHT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S HOW PROP SEVEN HELPS US.
TAKE YOUR 56 MILLION BOND PACKAGE AND BUILD $300 MILLION WORTH OF THE COST YOU 90 $900 MILLION FOR THAT DEBT.
YOU'RE STILL GETTING TWO TIMES THAT PLAN WE'VE GOT ON PAPER.
I THINK THE QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY IS TO REMEMBER WHEN YOU GOT INTO THIS PACKAGE, THE TOTAL PACKAGE OF THE BONDS ARE NOT JUST FOR THOSE THAT YOU PARTNERED WITH THE CITIES ON PASSING TO.
YOU HAD VARIOUS PROJECTS INCLUDING OUTSIDE OF IT AND INCLUDING EACH COMMISSIONER.
THEY'VE GOT A PIECE OF THIS PACKAGE FOR THEIR OWN USE IN THEIR OWN PRECINCTS.
SO WHAT YOU'VE GOT NOW IS YOU'VE ISSUED SO MUCH THIS GENERAL PAST THE TED TAX ROAD BONDS AND YOU'RE STUCK WITH HAVING TO MAKE PAYMENTS AND DECIDED ON THAT PACKAGE YOU THIS, OKAY, WE'LL GO THIS AND WE'LL PARTNER WITH THESE AND AS A RESULT OF PUTTING OUR MONEY WITH THEIRS, THEN TO PROJECT.
SO WE WOULD GET THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR
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CONTRIBUTION TO THAT PAID BACK TO US WHEN THEY GET PAID IN THE STATE.AND THAT WOULD GO INTO YOUR OVERALL PACKAGE.
SO TO THE EXTENT YOU TO NOT USE THAT PASSING TO TOTAL REVENUE TO REDUCE THE DEBT SERVICE FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, THESE CITIES WE'RE GONNA LET YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR PROJECT WILL BE TAXING ALL OF RESIDENTS IN THE CITY FLORIDA.
AND THAT MAY BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANNA DO IF WE TO THOSE PROJECTS THAT VERY OFFICIAL TO BUT THE UH, BUT YOU ALSO SAY IS I'M NOT GOING TO USE THAT MONEY TO REDUCE THE DEBT SERVICE.
CAN I USE THAT MONEY FOR ANYTHING ELSE? IF YOU HAVE THE NEEDS IN YOUR OWN PRECINCTS IS THAT ROAD MONEY CAME IN, DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ON YOUR TOTAL ROAD BONDS OUT THERE OUTSTANDING AND MAKE BUDGET THE TAX FOR THAT.
AND THEN YOU CAN UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS THAT YOU DID IN THE PAST TOS INTO THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN PRECINCT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT IS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT FUNCTION.
THE THING IS YOU CAN'T DO TO JUST GO IN AND FORGIVE AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT ANY MONEY COMING BACK.
THE DOCUMENTS I HAVE SEEN JUST ELIMINATE THEIR OBLIGATION TO PASS THROUGH.
YOU'VE GOT A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU PUTTING OUT COUNTY FUNDS INTO THESE PROJECTS AND IN RETURN YOU CONTRACT GOT THESE PAYMENTS COMING BACK TO THE EXTENT YOU WANT TO LET THESE CITIES HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T JUST SAY WE'RE NOT, WE JUST STRIKE FOR DIVISION OF PAYING BACK.
YOU'VE GOT TO DETERMINE THAT EACH DOLLAR THAT, YOU KNOW, LET THOSE CITIES HAVE HAVE A COUNTY BENEFIT AND YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BENEFIT.
AND THAT SHOULD BE PUT INTO WHATEVER THE CONTRACT IN THOSE AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD CONTRACT.
BUT YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE GAMUT TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT DO.
AND IT'S NOT, I DON'T CARE WHICH ONE YOU DO, YOU'RE HAVING TO LOOK AS A COUNTY WHOLE AND EACH HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR PRECINCT IN STATE PRECINCT ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THEN YOU MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU COULD, YOU MAY GIVE EVERYTHING BACK TO THIS SEAT, YOU MAY KEEP A PIECE OF IT OR YOU MAY SAY, NO, WE WANT, SAY WHAT YOU DID, WE HONOR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS OF THE ALL THE COUNTY PREPARED.
AGAIN, THAT IS A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AS A WHOLE.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION FROM ME, IT'S NOT A QUESTION FROM YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR.
YOU CAN'T JUST WANNA CHECK TO THE CITY, GO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
YOU'VE GOT FIND, GET THEM TO THE COUNTY PROJECT.
YOU'VE GOT BENEFIT COUNTY, USE YOUR BOND PROGRAM FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND TIME ON THAT.
YOU DID SAY THAT IF THE COURT CHOSE TO, UH, NOT DO ALL THE PORTION THAT IS AN OPTION THAT, THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE COURT.
AND UH, THE MONEY NOW DOES IT FLOW TO THE CITIES THE MOST FUNDS PAY US OR THE CITIES HAVE THE, HAS BE TOLD CONTRACT WITH STATE AS A RESULT AS THEIR PROJECTS COMPLETE AND WE PUT THESE VEHICLES PASSING ON THESE CAN, THAT THE STATE WILL MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS AND YOUR CONTRACT WITH EACH OF THE CITIES IS THAT THEY WILL PAY YOU THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR DOLLARS FROM THE BOND PROJECT THAT YOU PUT IN THERE, THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE REIMBURSEMENT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU.
JUDGE, COULD I, CAN I JUST ADDRESS THE CONTRACT PART? EVERYTHING
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YOU SAID IS CORRECT.BUT IN INTER LOCAL WHERE WE DRAFTED THE GERALD INITIALLY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHERE THOSE MONIES WE GO TO SPECIFICALLY WE'VE AMENDED THE CONTRACT TO TERMINATE THE PASTOR TOLLING AMENDED TO SCHEDULE C.
IT SHOWS WHERE THOSE MONIES WILL BE, UH, ALLOCATED TO.
AND THEY'RE ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THEON PACKAGE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
SO IT'S IT'S NOT A CLAIM CHECK.
IT IS WE'RE FOLLOWING THE TRIED AND TRUTH LEGAL PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AMENDMENT AND WE'RE AMENDING ONLY THOSE SECTIONS THAT CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, INITIAL INTER COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT.
SO WE, WE ALSO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT PART OF IT IS REQUIRING ISSUE THE SECOND BONDS.
AND THOSE DOLLARS ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO MOVE TO THEM UNTIL THE COURT ISSUES THOSE DEBTS.
AND THE COURT COURT AT THEIR SOLE DISCRETION IS WHAT LOCAL SAYS WILL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON THE AMOUNT AND THE TIMING.
SO THEY'RE AT RISK ON THE SECOND PAGE, NOT THE COUNTY.
IT'S A VERY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MR. LONG WAS HERE, HE'LL TELL YOU, AND MAYBE YOU SEE THIS CONTRACT YOU'RE IN LOCAL WITH YOUR CITY ARE VERY STRONGLY BENEFITING TO THE COUNTY, GIVE ALL THE AUTHORITY.
AND IT SAYS, THERE'S ALSO A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY CAN COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AFTER THIS INTER LOCAL PASSED AND MAKE A REQUEST TO CHANGE WHERE THOSE PROCEEDS WILL GO TO.
AND IT HAS TO INITIALLY GET THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSIONER AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
SO WE PUT UP AND SUSPENDERS IN THERE.
THERE SOME SAFEGUARDS FOR SURE.
BECAUSE THE REASON WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE 27 YEARS OF DOING THIS, I'VE HAD INTERLOCALS THAT WENT FOR NINE YEARS OR 12 SUPPLEMENTALS TO IT.
I MEAN, YOU NEVER GET THINGS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE.
I AND, AND I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING, THE EXACT PROCESS YOU JUST SAID WHERE THE CITY OF TAR IS TIED DOWN TO ONLY BE ABLE TO USE THE MONEY ON THE FM 1 48 PROJECT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE SAME ATTORNEYS AND THE SAME, UH, FINANCIAL ADVISORS.
WE SAID WE'RE GONNA GUARANTEE WE'LL SPEND THE MONEY ON THE F 48 PROJECT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE DRAFTED IN THE LOCAL, UH, DOES.
UH, WE ESTIMATED THE AMOUNT THAT WE BILL TO BORROW AGAINST THAT MONEY.
WE ADDED SOME BORROWING CAPACITY TO IT AND WE SAID, OKAY, WE HAD ZERO COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY OF PARALLEL THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
NOW WE'RE GONNA INCREASE IT TO ABOUT $5 MILLION.
'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, JUST UNDER 5 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S THE BORROWING HAS TO GENERATE ALL OF IT.
SO WE'RE ONLY COMMITTING TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST ADVISED THAT WE WOULD ONLY BUILD THE F 48 NORTH PROJECT.
UH, IF THIS AMENDMENT GOES TO, TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON THAT, THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS YOUR WILLING TO OVER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX RATE IMPACTS.
WE DIDN'T ASK YOU, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED YOU THE QUESTION THAT WOULD'VE IMPACTED YOUR TAXPAYERS.
THE THING WE COULD HAVE ASKED YOU TO IMPACT YOUR TAXPAYER WAS PLEASE ISSUE THAT DEBT IMMEDIATELY.
OKAY? YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT WHEN YOU ISSUE THE NEXT ROUND OF DEBT IS SOLELY AT YOUR DISCRETION.
AND WHEN YOU DO IT, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT BASED ON MAKING SURE THAT YOU DON'T IMPACT YOUR COUNTY TAXPAYERS OR THAT YOU MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON YOUR COUNTY TAXPAYERS.
SO WE DID NOT COME TO YOU AND SAY ISSUE ON THIS DATE.
WE'RE GONNA BE DONE WITH THE ENGINEERING AND READY TO BUILD THAT PROJECT THIS SUMMER.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A PROJECT THIS SUMMER.
RIGHT NOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY COMMITMENT IS IN INDEX ISSUANCE.
OKAY? YOU'VE GOT ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF YOUR COMMITMENT ON THIS PROJECT IN YOUR NEXT BOND ISSUES, AS JOHN DESCRIBED, WHAT HE SAID WAS, WHENEVER YOU ISSUE IT, WE'LL BE HAPPY WITH IT.
OKAY? IT WON'T MATTER TO US WHEN YOU ISSUE, JUST GIVE US A COMMITMENT.
THEN WHEN YOU DO, YOU'LL MAKE IT ON THE COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF TAROT THAT TAKES THE TAX PRESSURE OFF OF YOU AND PUTS THE TAX PRESSURE ON THE CITY OF TAROT.
OKAY? SO YOU CAN LOOK AT, WELL, WHEN DO WE DO OUR NEXT ISSUANCE? THAT'S YOUR POLICY DISPUTE.
WHEN DO WE, OUR NEXT ISSUANCE AND HOW MUCH TAX IMPACT WILL THERE BE IN OUR NEXT, WE DID NOT ASK YOU TO CHANGE THE TIMING OF THAT DECISION.
WE SAID WE'LL TAKE THE RISK FOR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES YOU TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR IMPACT ON YOUR TAXPAYERS.
AND WHENEVER YOU GET TO THAT COMFORT LEVEL FOR YOUR TAXPAYERS, YOU JUST MAKE GOOD ON YOUR SIDE OF THE COMMITTEE.
OKAY? SO I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THOSE COUPLE ELEMENTS Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? SAY WE, UH, WE HAVE THIS ITEM TO DISCUSS FURTHER.
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I WE'RE PREPARED TAKING ACTION RIGHT UNTIL AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION.WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK AND GO INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, LOOK AT NUMBER 12.
AND THAT'S THE DISCUSSION, AN UPDATE ON LOCAL SALES AND TAX OPTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE DAVID MENEZ HERE WITH STAFF AND I ASK TO PREPARE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU.
UH, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON THIS ITEM.
MICROPHONE FIRST WOULD BE LARRY 12.
AND THEN ERIC, WE HAVE MR. UH, JOHN COOK, AND HE'S ALSO HERE TO TALK THAT ITEM 12.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE ON THIS COURT TO RESIST ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL TAX BURDEN TO OUR CITIZENS BY PROPOSING A RESOLUTION TO BE PLACED ON A BALLOT FOR INSTITUTION COUNTYWIDE SALES TAX IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
YOU'RE OPENING THE DOOR TO ALLOW THIS TAX RATE TO BE HIGH WITH A MAXIMUM OF 2% IF ONLY THOSE COMMISSION'S, COURT WITHOUT TAX PAYERS TO HAVING ANY APPROVAL OR CONSENT WHATSOEVER.
THIS IS A TECHNICAL RECIPE FOR BOILING A PROBLEM PERTAINING TO THE PROPOSED COUNTY TAX ON ALL CELL PHONES.
THERE'S CURRENTLY ALREADY A 50 CENT PER PHONE.
NINE ONE ONE TAX BEING COLLECTED IS BEING COLLECTED ON ALL PHONES, INCLUDING LAND LINES.
WHERE'S THAT MONEY? HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY HAS THE COUNTY RECEIVED BACK FROM THE STATE TO ANSWER? MUCH TO THE CHA GRAND OF THE TAXPAYERS IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO.
EACH OF YOU WERE ELECTED BECAUSE THE TAXPAYERS PLACE THEIR TRUST IN YOU TO TAKE CARE OF COUNTY FINANCIAL BUSINESS.
PLEASE DON'T BETRAY THAT TRUST BY REACHING AROUND INTO THE BACK POCKETS AND PURSES OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND REMOVING OUR MONEY BECAUSE IT'S A EASIER SOLUTION.
I BELIEVE THAT EACH OF YOU AND ALL OF YOU ARE CAPABLE TO USE LOGICAL REASONING TO FIND SOLUTIONS WITHOUT RAISING OR ADDING NEW TAXES.
WHEN WE ARE TAXING UP ALREADY, PLEASE VOTE NO ON ANY INCREASED TAXES.
AND I ADMIRE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
YOU HAVE A VERY TOUGH JOB LISTENING TODAY TO THE PRESENTATIONS OF ALL OF THE MONEY IT TAKES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED MORE MONEY EVERY, EVERY DAY, BUT PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF USING WHAT WE HAVE AND PLEASE DON'T ADD MORE TO US.
OKAY, NEXT WOULD BE, UH, MR. JOHN COOK.
JUDGE, I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT, UH, MIKE SLY AND MIKE SIMS ON THEIR PRESENTATIONS.
THEY WERE COMPLETELY PRE PREPARED WHEN THEY CAME IN HERE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR ISSUES.
MIKE SLIDING IS A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR KAUFMAN, BUT THEY WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN THEY COME IN HERE AND ASK FOR THAT MONEY THAT THEY'RE FULLY PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I NEED TO ASK ABOUT.
SO THE TAXES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, UH, JUDGE, I CAME IN HERE BEFORE AND TALKED ABOUT THE 17TH, UH, OR 17TH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OUT 254 COUNTIES AS FAR AS, UH, COUNTY TAXES.
AND I ALSO SAID THAT WERE 310TH IN THE NATION OUT OF OVER 3,500 COUNTIES.
WERE IN THE TOP 10% AS FAR AS COUNTY TAXES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, SINCE THEY WERE SO PREPARED, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU GUYS, IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO KNOW HOW THIS IMPACT IS GOING TO AFFECT, UH, THE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE IN KAMAN COUNTY AND THE LOWER CLASS, HOW IS THIS GONNA AFFECT THEM? AND I I SUGGEST THAT YOU PUT THIS ON THE TABLE FOR A WHILE AND SO WE CAN DETERMINE HOW OUR COUNTY'S GONNA BE AFFECTED BY IT.
WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST TAXES IN THE STATE, SO DO WE NEED MORE TAXES? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
AND IF ANYBODY CAN GIVE AN ANSWER HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT EACH OF THE S HERE, I'D BE OPEN TO, UH, MAYBE TALK ABOUT DOING IT TODAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, GIVE US TIME TO LOOK AT IT AND EVALUATE IT.
AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL LATER, WELL, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE'RE ONLY HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
AND MR. WHO WILL BE JUST HE'LL, I THINK BE ABLE TO ANSWER MANY OF THE QUESTIONS
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YOU MAY HAVE AND REALLY A FACT FINDING SOME COUNTIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS, SOME HAVE NOT.UH, AND UH, SO THAT'S WHAT'S DOING TODAY IS ANSWERING, GIVING INFORMATION.
MAY YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, HAVE YOU HEARD SOME THE COMMENTS THERE MAY HELP? GOOD MORNING, DAVID.
THIS, UH, I'M TO PARTNER AND THE ASKED ME TO BRIEF THE COURT ON THE APPROACH THAT, UH, COUNTY MCKAY TO ESTABLISHING A LOCAL SALES TAX, UH, SALES TAX.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE, THE STATE IMPOSES A STATE SALE TAX THROUGHOUT THE STATE ON EVERY, UH, PURCHASE THAT IS COVERED BY THAT.
UH, BY THAT, UH, TAX TAX, IT ALLOWS, UH, COMMUNITIES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO IMPOSE A LOCAL SALES TAX.
SO, SO LONG AS THE TOTAL AMOUNT DOES NOT GET ABOVE, UH, THE STATE.
AND SO, UH, WHAT I HAVE DONE IS PROVIDE, UH, A SMALL NEGATIVE MATERIAL THAT, UH, DOES ABOUT FIVE PAGES.
THE, THE FIRST DOCUMENT IN THERE IS JUST A, A, A GRAPHIC, A MAP OF THE COUNTY SHOWING THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE ADOPTED TAXES IN THEIR, UH, DAY AND THEN HAVE THE LOCAL SALES TAX.
AND EACH OF THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE SO AT A DIFFERENT RATE.
SO THE NEXT PAGE OF THE
THE CONTROLLER HAS IDENTIFIED THESE ENTITIES ON THE SECOND CHART THERE, UH, AND THE RATE AT WHICH THEY TAX.
AND IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE CHART, YOU WILL FIND THE LOCAL RATE, UH, THAT'S IMPOSED AND ON, LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF COMBINE THERE, THEY, UH, IMPOSED A, UH, TAX OF ONE AND A HALF SIMS, UH, ON TOP OF WHAT, UH, THE, UH, THE COUNTY HAS SO THAT YOU END UP WITH A TOTAL, UH, TAX OF 7.75.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES COMING DOWN THE LIST AND YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO THE MAXIMUM OF 8.25 AS YOU LOOK IN THAT LIST.
AND ALL THAT IS, AGAIN, IS THE COMMUNITIES THAT, UH, THAT, UH, HAVE AND ARE CURRENTLY ENC CLOSING TAX.
SO WHEN THE COUNTY ALREADY HAS TAX ENTITIES, YOU CANNOT ADOPT A COUNTY SALES TAX WHILE THE COUNTY HAS CONSTITUTIONALLY AND LEGALLY A 2% LIMIT ON SALES TAX THAT YOU GET DONE ONCE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, THE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE GONE OUT AND, AND SET A TAX RATE, YOU HAVE NO LONGER THE OPTION OF PUTTING A LOCAL TAX RATE.
SO THE LEGISLATURE CREATED A MECHANISM WHEREBY THE COUNTY HAS SOME ABILITY TO GO TAX IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA TO THE PLACES WHERE NOBODY HAS, UH, NO COMMUNITY HAS ESTABLISHED A LOCAL SALES TAX YET.
AND SO THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CREATE UP TO FOUR DISTRICTS.
SO THERE'S FOUR COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICTS THAT WITHIN THE COUNTY, UH, AND DEFINED AREAS WHERE NO OTHER, UH, TAX OR SOME OTHER COMMUNITY IS IN TAXING AT MAXIMUM LEVEL.
AND YOU'RE ABLE TO THEN IMPOSE TAX AGAINST TO THE MENT ORDER OR WHATEVER YOU, WHATEVER RATE YOU WANNA DO.
AND SO THE NEXT DOCUMENT IN YOUR IT IS A SHORT, VERY BRIEF, UH, IT'S, AND IT IS A SHORT LAYMAN'S EXPLANATION OF THIS TOPIC, UH, AND UH, FOR COUNTIES AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THAT.
BUT BASICALLY THE POINT IS THAT THE COUNTY COULD TAKE THAT UNINCORPORATED AREA WHERE NO TAX IS CURRENTLY ASSESSED, UH, LOCAL SALES SUCCESS AND COULD CALL AN ELECTION OF THE RESIDENTS THAT, UH, THE VOTERS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA AND THEY HAVE TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE THEM.
BASICALLY THE QUESTION OF WHETHER A DISTRICT IS TO BE CREATED FOR LOCAL ASSISTANCE AND TWO, THE RATE AT WHICH, UH, TAX MAY BE ASSESSED ON THOSE FOLKS.
SO IT MEETS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT IN THIS STATE THAT NO TAX MAY BE IMPOSED ON ANY RESIDENT WITHOUT THEM HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THE QUESTION AND AUTHORIZE THE, TO CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY LIVES OUTSIDE AN UNMARKED AREA TAX.
IT'LL TAKE A MOLD OF UN ABSOLUTELY NO TAX COULD BE IMPOSED BY THE COUNTY.
NO LOCAL USE TAX COULD BE IMPOSED BY THE COUNTY IN ANY ONE OF THESE LOCAL SYSTEMS DISTRICTS OR ANY DISTRICT DISTRICT WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF, UH, OF ITS CITIZENS.
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IS POSED TO THE RESIDENT THAT LIVED THERE, THE VOTERS THAT ARE THERE IS, UH, SET UP BY STATUTE AND THERE'S, YOU HAVE TO USE THIS LANGUAGE IN THE BALLOT AND, AND, UH, IT'S ON PAGE, UH, TWO OF THEUH, THE, THE FIRST PART OF IT IS AUTHORIZING THE CREATION OF THE BLANK, UH, COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE HERE FOR, UH, AND THE IMPOSITION OF ABUSE TAX AT THE RATE OF WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO CONCERN FOR THE PURPOSE OF FINANCING THE OPERATIONS OF THE DISTRICT.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THE JUDGE SAID, UH, OR ASKED ME ABOUT WAS, WHAT CAN YOU USE MONEY LIKE THAT FROM THAT SUCH A TAX TO HELP AFRAID OF ROAD RIVER BRIDGES IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY? WELL, THE STATUTE, UH, C 87.013, UH, AUTHORIZES, UH, A AT THIS BROAD LANGUAGE, BUT AMONG WITHIN THE SAME CHAPTER IN THIS, ALL THE THINGS YOU COULD USE THE TAX FOR, AND IT INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION ABOVE ROADS AND MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT OF LIBRARIES AND, UH, MUSEUMS, FOR EXAMPLE.
THERE'S A LIST OF, OF THE THINGS THEY ARE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE THINGS YOU ALREADY DO WITH OTHER AT THE LOWER TAX REVENUE, GENERAL REVENUE ACCOUNT.
SO, UH, THE, IF YOU WANTED TO, UH, LIMIT WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO USE IT FOR, YOU MIGHT CALL AN ELECTION ON THE PROPOSITION THE WAY THE STATUTE CALLS FOR IT, BUT YOU MIGHT, UH, PASS A RESOLUTION OR DO SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT LIMIT MONEY.
IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T LIKE ON THE LIST OR IN THE STATUTE, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT YOU THOUGHT AT NO POINT IN THE FUTURE WILL THE COUNTY EVER NEED MONEY FOR THAT OR WHATEVER, THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THAT CONTRACT WITH THE VOTERS, IF YOU WILL, AT THE TIME YOU CALL THE ELECTION AND YOU'D BE PROHIBITED USING MONIES FROM THIS STUDY FOR THAT PURPOSE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THERE WERE WAYS TO THAT I WANTED TO, ON SOME OF THE CITIES I KNOW THEY TAX YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT TAX, A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
SO THE COUNTY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT OPTION.
THAT THERE IS A STATUTORY LIST OF USES THAT IS IN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOUGH, THAT IF WE, IF WE DID DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE COULD NOT USE IT.
PART OF THAT APPROACH, IIII HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT POINT, BUT I JUDGE, I I HAVE NOT HAD A COUNTY, WELL, I GUESS YOU COULD, I GUESS YOU COULD BUY LOWER THERE, ROAD BRIDGE TAX, THE MONEY THAT YOU MADE, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT.
IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THAT SPREADSHEET YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT AT THE OTHER QUESTION, YOU KNOW, YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT TOTAL AMOUNT GET, AND SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE WALMART CAME IN AND OPENED UP OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY, SAY BY OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY OPENED OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
THE CITY GO OUT THERE AND GRAB IMMEDIATELY, UH, AND THE COUNTY HAD A A SALES TAX THEN THEY WOULD BE CHARGING THE SAME THING AS THE CITY WOULD IF THEY WERE INSIDE THE CITY.
IF THE CITY COMES UP THERE AND TAKES IT IN, IT'S TOO LATE FOR THEM ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN THE CITY COMES IN, THE CITY RATE APPLIES TO THE TOTAL, BUT THE CONTROLLER AT THE TIME, THEY, THEY GET THE MONEY UP IN AUSTIN.
UH, THEY, AT THE TIME THAT THE MONEY IS, IS REMITTED BY THE WALMART TO THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE, A SALES TAX, THE COUNTY PORTION IS SEGREGATED OUT FOR UNDER THE CITY, UH, SALES TAX AND ADMITTED TO YOU.
THE ANSWER IS TECHNICALLY CORRECT.
YOU WILL, THE COUNTY WILL CONTINUE TO GET REVENUE FROM THAT WALMART, EVEN THOUGH IT, THE COUNTY SAY THEY HAD A 2% TAX, THE COUNTY WOULD GET 2%, BUT THE CITY, IF THEY ANNEX THEM IN THE CITY, WOULD BE CUT OUTTA THAT 2%, WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE IS, UH, THAT YOU CAN ONLY GO UP TO 8 55.
SO IF YOU'VE TAKEN UP THE DOCUMENT IN THAT AREA, UH, IT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY, BUT THEY JUST COLLECT THE'S OFFICE.
BUT IT'S A COUNTY AROUND HERE THAT DO THIS, NOT HUNT COUNTY THAT ALSO DOES THIS.
I'M JUST THINKING OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BUT THEY COULD, THEY DID THIS BACK IN 90 WHEN THEY HUNT COUNTY IS ONE OF THE COUNTIES THAT IS JUST HERE LOCALLY THAT DOES THIS ALREADY.
YEAH, NO, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COUNTIES.
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RIGHT.AND YOU CAN GO ON THE CONTROLLER'S WEBSITE FOR EXAMPLE AND, AND UH, GO COUNTY BY COUNTY AND SEE EXACTLY WHICH, UH, COUNTIES LED THE TAX.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICTS AND OTHER POLITICAL
SO WHAT LET ME, UH, WHAT GOES ON HERE IS THAT, UH, WE GET THE MONEY GROCERY STORES OR THE YARD OR WHATEVER IS OUT IN THE COUNTY, IT COMES TO US INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE STATE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE AND TO NOBODY TO THE STATE, IT GOES STRICTLY TO THE STATE AND WE, WE RECEIVE BACK COUNTY ADDING, ADDING IT ON THE PURCHASE OF THE PRICE SIX THE QUARTER JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE OR, SO IT'S NOT LOWERING ANYTHING THAT THE STATE GETS IT'S ADDITION TO THAT NOT TAX.
I THINK THE JUDGE HAS ASKING ME, UH, WHAT THE MAXIMUM IS ABOVE THE SIX.
THERE'S A 2 CENT AND I THINK THERE'S THE COUNTY'S PORTIONS THAT HALF I WANNA MAKE SURE HALF, HALF SENT.
THERE'S A 2 CENT, UH, UH, I FROM THE SIXTH AND QUARTER QUARTER THERE'S, THERE'S 2 CENTS THERE.
SO THERE'S ROOM FOR OTHER ENTITIES TO TAX THE COUNTY.
SO THE, THE, THE LAST TWO DOCUMENTS THAT, AND THERE'S OTHER MATERIAL IN, IN THE BROCHURE.
I JUST WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF IT.
THERE ARE TWO OTHER DOCUMENTS IN THERE.
ONE IS A, A SORT OF A OVERVIEW OR TIMELINE FOR HOW THE COUNTY WOULD APPROACH, UH, IF YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO DO THIS, UH, STEPS THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE AS A SUGGESTION FOR GETTING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING WHETHER YOU DO IT AND THEN WHETHER YOU CALL SUCH AN ELECTION.
AND THEN THE, THE LAST ITEM I INCLUDED, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE JUDGE DIDN'T ASK ME ABOUT, BUT I JUST INCLUDED BECAUSE I HAD DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR ANOTHER COUNTY JUST RECENTLY.
SO I THOUGHT I'D THROW IT IN YOUR PACKET.
IT IS ASSUMING YOU HAD AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 16, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY, THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF THE, IF THE COUNTY WANTED TO DO THIS WOULD SHOW YOU THE STEPS THAT YOU WOULD TAKE TO CALL SUCH AN ELECTION.
I YOU GO TO THAT WEBSITE THAT HAS GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION ON THERE.
BUT I KNOW HUNT COUNTY HAS, I, THEY, THEY STARTED THERE IN TWO I, THEY RAISED THREE A YEAR.
I REMEMBER HOPKINS COUNTY, I BELIEVE HAS AN TAX, NORA COUNTY HAS A SALES TAX.
I DON'T ALL THOSE ROAD OR WHATEVER.
UH, MY REASONING FOR WANTING US TO TALK ABOUT, IT'S JUST TO GET THE FACTS, YOU KNOW.
SO WE, UH, LOOK AT IT WHETHER WE GOOD OR NOT A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, ISSUE.
BUT AS OUR COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW, UH, WE'RE HAVING MORE AND MORE, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN THE RURAL AREAS FOR SURE.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO HAVING OUR CITY, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDING, UH, THEY'RE ANNEXING MORE PROPERTY, WHICH WILL ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO ABLE TO DO A SALES.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE THE WHOLE ISSUE HERE WITH THE CITY OF IS VERY AGGRESSIVELY, UH, LOOKING TOWARDS OUR COUNTY TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD IN AS FAR AS THEIR IS CONCERNED.
WELL, BUT IT IS HELPFUL INFORMATION.
THREE OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AT LEAST ABOUT, LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE, RUSH OUT HERE AND DO SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY.
BUT, UH, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
I THINK WE COULD ADD IT ON THE BALLOT.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS, IS THAT IT DOES, IT WOULD TAKE BOTH PEOPLE AND UH, WE COULD CERTAIN, I KNOW ALL OF YOU NEED ALL, ALL FOUR PRECINCT, THE ENTIRE COUNTY NEEDS MORE.
BRIDGE DIDN'T ANY BIG I HAVE TO IF YOU VOTED, IF IF PEOPLE VOTED IT IN, IF THEY WANTED, THEY HAVE TO, UH, YOU HAVE TO ENACT, ENACT IT AFTER A CITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH? WE'RE SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO FATHER
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BOMB AND IF THE CITY, LIKE SAY CORN FOR INSTANCE, ALREADY BEFORE TO ANNEX SOMETHING, WE HAD THIS ON THE BOOKS, YOU WOULD, UH, BY VIRTUE OF HAVING PASSED THE MEASURE IN POST ATTACKS, SO AT THE TIME THE VOTERS AUTHORIZED IT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE AUTHORIZED IMPOSITION OF THE TAX AS SOON AS YOU AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE CONTROLLER THAT YOU PASSED IT PASSED IT AND, AND THE CONTROLLER REQUIRED TO CUT, CUT TO, TO TAKE YOUR PORTION NOW.BUT STARTING THE FIRST DAY OF THE FIRST FOURTH QUARTER AFTER IT'S ABSENT, WHAT IS OUR, CAN WE, WHAT IS IT ABSENT HALF WHAT YOU WOULD DO AND IT WOULD, YOU WOULD JUST PUT A HALF IN ON THERE.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU COULDN'T, THAT'S IT.
AND THERE'S A REASON I MENTIONED THE FOUR DISTRICT BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY THERE WAS A COMMUNITY THAT HAD ENCLOSED, UH, THERE WAS A SIX AND A HALF AND, AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMUNITY THAT
LET'S SAY THE FIRST ONE ON YOUR CHART, 7.75, UH, YOU JUST GOT ENOUGH ROOM THERE FOR, FOR A CAP.
AND I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A A GOOD EXAMPLE IN YOUR, IN YOUR COUNTY, BUT I HAVE SOME COUNTIES WHERE THEY'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO THIS AND THERE WAS ALREADY EIGHT UP TO 8 CENTS WORTH OF LOCAL SALES.
AND SO IF THE COUNTY WAS GONNA INCLUDE THAT, YEAH, THEY CAN'T TOUCH HIM.
THEY CAN'T GO OVER, UH, OVER EIGHT, EIGHTH AND QUARTER.
SO THEY WOULD'VE BEEN LIMITED.
THE COUNTY WOULD'VE BEEN LIMITED TO A QUARTER.
YEAH, NO, LIKE, LIKE PO HAD QUARTER ALREADY.
YOU COULDN'T TOUCH, YOU COULDN'T DITCH 20.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY SOMEBODY HAD GOTTEN A TAX RATE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT LIKE, LIKE RAD, YOU SAID THE THEY'RE 7.75, YOU COME IN WITH YOUR HALF THE CITY INSIDE.
YEAH, THEY'RE NOT MAXIMUM, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CREATE MULTIPLE DISTRICTS BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.
VOTE YOU HAVE, THAT'S WHY THEY FORWARD THIS ONE BECAUSE THE, THE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF SOMEBODY, A COMMUNITY LIKE COMBINES ALREADY IMPOSED THE TAX, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GONE UP TO THE FULL MAXIMUM, YOU CAN'T INCLUDE, YOU CANNOT INCLUDE 'EM IN ALL THE UNINCORPORATED, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR DISTRICT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'D HAVE SOMEBODY HAVE TO BE ITS OWN DISTRICT, A CITY IF IF IF THEIR RATE IS WITHIN IS MORE THAN IN OUR IDEAL WHERE WE COULD ADD A HALF OR 10, THEY HAVE TO BE A DISTRICT ALL ON OWN.
IF, IF THEY HAVE, YOU CAN ONLY PICK OUT FOUR CITIES BASICALLY THAT WERE UNDER THE RANK.
AND I DON'T SEE, I I I, NO, I DON'T I THINK WE, WE WE'RE I'M CONFUSING.
UH, COMBINE COULD BE IN YOUR DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE'S HALF A CERTAIN ROOM.
NO, WHAT I'M, WHAT HE'S ASKING WAS DO THEY HAVE TO BE THEIR OWN DISTRICT OR COULD YOU USE THE WHOLE PRECINCT ONE AS A DISTRICT? YOU, THE REASON YOU DON'T WANT TO USE A WHOLE PRECINCT AS A DISTRICT IS BECAUSE ONE, THERE COULD BE ALREADY A CITY IN THAT PRECINCT, EIGHT A QUARTER.
AND THE OTHER REASON IS, SO YOU CUT, CUT THEM OUT, YOU DEVELOP LINES AND YOU MAKE THE DISTRICT.
SO A SIMPLISTIC APPROACH WOULD BE ALL THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF THE CITY, A, A A, A SECOND GENERATION MIGHT BE ALL THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF THE CITY PLUS COMBINE BECAUSE IT IS GOT BOOM FOR HALF PERCENT OF TAX.
YOU SEE THAT? BUT IF ANY OF THEM HAD THEN YOU COULD INCLUDE THEM IN ON YOUR DISTRICT.
YEAH, IT'S, IT IS ONLY FOR THE EXTRA DISTRICTS ARE ONLY FOR SITUATIONS WHERE THERE ISN'T A HALF CENT WORTH OF ROOM.
WE HAVE SEVERAL, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AT AAMP, I GUESS.
AND UH, MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT YEARS AGO.
THEY JUST, SO THEY'RE ALREADY AT THE CAP.
SEE THE ONE POINT, THE CAMP HAS THE 1.75 AND THEN THE 20.25 THAT
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GETS YOU 2 CENTS MAX ACCIDENT.AND SO THE DALLAS ONE UP THERE, THAT CITY OF DALLAS AND DALLAS NTA, THEY HIT YOU TO THE 2 CENTS.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 2 CENTS WORTH OF ROOM AND IT HAS TO BE AN ACTUAL CITY ANNEX OR CAN IT BE THE E TT A? YOU CAN ACCESS THE ETJ.
IT IS ON THE, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD NOT BE IN YOUR DISTRICT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL CITY LIMIT LINES.
AS OF THE TIME THE ELECTION WAS CALLED, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO STAND UP HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, WE HAVE THE CITY OF CARROLL AND I IS OUTSIDE, BUT WE HAVE TO FLY HERE CITY OF, SO IF WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, PROJECT REQUEST, WHAT WE CALL, IF WE DECIDED TO DO THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT, BUT WE WANT YOU TO GIVE US A HALF CENT OF YOUR SALES TAX.
COULD WE, UH, I'M SURE THEY'D DO WELL TO DO THAT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE CAN YOU WORK THAT INTO THE LAW? ALL I CAN SAY TO THAT JUDGE, JUDGE, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE.
THE 2 CENTS AND THEY CAN USE THE, THE, THEY USE IT ANYWAY.
THEY CHOOSE TO, THEY CAN USE IT ANYWAY.
THEY CHOOSE P SO YES, THEY COULD GIVE YOU COUNT.
I'M SORRY, IT'S IT'S IT BOTH PARTIES THAT WHAT MEANT WHEN YOU STOOD? NO, YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM THAT GENTLEMAN.
SO AGAIN, I'M SORRY, IT'S A COMPLEX SUB SUBJECT, BUT BOIL DOWN TO CREATION OF THE DISTRICT THAT, UH, WHERE VOTERS DECIDE IF THEY WANT THAT'S RIGHT.
WHO Y'ALL HEAR THAT IT IS THE RIGHT OF A VOTER? NOT OF US.
THANK YOU VERY ANYBODY ELSE QUESTION? THANK YOU BEING HERE.
LET'S TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND GET IN TROUBLE.
SHE'LL ACTUALLY ASK MOTION SECOND.
I'M SORRY, YOU SAID STEVE PHILLIPS? YES.
AND DID SAY I WASN'T, I WAS JUST, LISTEN, I THOUGHT I RECOGNIZED GOING ITEM IS TO, ARE ALL OF OUR PEOPLE, UH, THAT HERE, ARE THEY LEFT? THEY GAVE UP.
SO, UH, NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 16 AND THAT IS PURSUANT TO BT CA, GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0 2.
TURN TO OPEN MEETING AND TAKE ANY ACTION BE NECESSARY TO PASS UPON DISCUSSION BASED UPON THE DISCUSSION, UH, IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACT ON ANY ITEM WE DISCUSSED? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACT ON ANY ITEM WE DISCUSSED IN THIRD AND FINAL TIME? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISCUSS, UH, ANY ITEM WE DISCUSSED IN THE, UH,
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HEARING NONE? MOTION DIES.COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES THAT MOTION FAVOR.