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          WATCHING THIS CLOCK, IT'S NINE O'CLOCK, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TOMORROW. 
          THIS IS A WORKSHOP MEETING THE COURT. 
          WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WE BE DISCUSSING TODAY. 
          WE'LL BE TAKING ACTION ON TODAY, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY BE, HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION ON THE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE LISTED HERE. 
          WE EXPENSE, UH, WITH OUR NORMAL OPENING, UH, UH, CEREMONY THAT WE NORMALLY DO. 
          AND, UH, GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          AND THAT WILL BE TO DISCUSS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES, POLICIES WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICIALS IN COUNTY CITIES. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FROM SOME OF THE SEAS. 
          AND YEAH, Y'ALL FEEL FREE TO ROLL UP A CHAIR AND DO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO TALK TO US. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S, YOU WANNA COME AROUND HERE AND ONE OF THESE CHAIRS, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS AS INFORMAL AS WE CAN AND GET YOUR ALLIES THAT ARE HERE WITH YOU. 
          SURE. 
          AND JUDGE, IF I CAN, REAL QUICK, I'M JUST GOING KICK IT OFF AND THEN HAND IT OFF. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF ABLE-BODIED FOLKS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          YES, SIR, I DO THAT. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          UH, FIRST COURT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WARREN KEMAN WITH HOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE COURT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO OR SO, UH, YOU TOOK ACTION TO, UH, REVIEW AND THEN, UH, UPDATE AND APPROVE YOUR TAX ABATEMENT POLICY AT THAT TIME. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH AND, UH, THE JUDGE AND I TALKED, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US COME TO THIS MEETING WITH THE WORKSHOP AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU HERE AT THE COUNTY. 
          UH, TODAY WE HAVE DON STYLE FROM CAROL. 
          WE ALSO HAVE LEE AYERS FROM KAUFFMAN. 
          THESE ARE ALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS. 
          WE HAVE MS. WENDY HECKEL FROM CRANDALL. 
          SHE'S THE VP OF THE CRANDALL, EDC. 
          WE ALSO HAVE MAYOR CODY FRAZIER REPRESENTING CRANDALL AND CRANDALL, EDC. 
          Y'ALL COME ON UP SO WE CAN, UM, AND MR. MR. JONES FROM, UH, FROM CAMP COULD NOT MAKE IT. 
          HE, UH, OLOGY, HE HAD ANOTHER APPOINTMENT HE COULD NOT GET OUT OF TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, I DID NOT HEAR BACK. 
          JUST FOR, UH, FULL DISCLOSURE, I DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM MR. T AT MAYBANK AS WELL. 
          HE WAS INVITED TO ATTEND MS. WEST, SO MAYBE HIS SCHEDULE DID NOT ALLOW AS WELL. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, WE DID REACH OUT TO ALL THE FOLKS FROM AROUND THE COUNTY TO BE HERE. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION. 
          I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MS. DON STYLE TO KICK IT OFF, TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE DO. 
          THERE'S SOME THINGS IN YOUR PACKET YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG. 
          BUT MS. DON, IF YOU WOULD, IT'S THE FLOOR IS ALL YOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING US AGAIN TODAY. 
          AND, UM, MOST OF Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW THERE ARE SIX, UM, CITIES IN  COUNTY THAT ARE FUNDED BY THE HACK AND SALES TAX, CRANDALL, FORNEY, KAUFMAN CAMP, AND TERRELL. 
          AND ACCORDING TO THE SALES TAX DATA COLLECTED FROM THE COMPTROLLER OF THESE CITIES COLLECTED APPROXIMATELY $4.8 MILLION IN, UH, AND HAVE SENT SALES TAX LAST YEAR. 
          AND THESE MONIES WERE USED TO FUND, UH, ALL OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COSTS, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT WE DO. 
          AND IF YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT, I SENT JUDGE WOOD A YEAH. 
          UH, IT SAYS IT'S A LIST OF THE TOP 20 TAXPAYERS IN COTON COUNTY. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK, I, I CAN TELL YOU GOODYEAR AUTO ZONE, MADIX, OLD CASTLE, ALL OF THESE WERE PROJECTS THAT WERE DONE IN LL AND THEY WERE ALL OFFERED INCENTIVES AS WELL AS TAX ABATEMENT. 
          AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, GOODYEAR IS THE TOP TAXPAYER IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO OFFER THESE INCENTIVES AND TAX ABATEMENTS, UH, IT'S HARD TO COMPETE WITH WITH OUR COMPETITION. 
          I THINK THE ONLY ONE WOULD BE THE POWER, THE, UH, POWER PLANT IN, UH, THAT YES. 
          WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY WERE GIVEN ANY KIND, I DON'T THINK THE POWER PLAN WAS GETTING, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I DO THINK THERE TAX. 
          BUT GOODYEAR, THERE'S THE FPLE, BUT, AND GOODYEAR 56 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT THE, THE POWER PLANT, IT'S ABOUT THREE SOMETHING. 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULDA THAT GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          BUT THE THE POINT BEING IS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE OFFERED, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OFFERED TAX ABATEMENT, BUT, AND YOU KNOW, AFTER THE 10 YEARS IS UP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING FULL TAXES AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY THAT THEY'RE, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER THESE INCENTIVES AND TAX ABATEMENTS. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LEE AYRES AND HE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT Y'ALL ARE GOT THIS BRIEFING AHEAD OF TIME, AND I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE. 
          IT 
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TAKES TOO LONG. 
          UM, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, OF, OF EACH SECTION. 
          LIKE THE, THE REASON WE DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES, NUMBER ONE, AND IT SOUNDS GOOD, IT IS PRIMARY JOB, BUT THE REAL REASON IS SALARY DOLLARS. 
          PRIMARY JOB IS WHEN YOU MAKE SOMETHING, YOU EXPORT IT OUTSIDE YOUR CITY OR YOUR COUNTY OR YOUR REGION. 
          AND THEN WHAT COMES BACK IN IS WAGES TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPENT AND SPEN, UH, ACTUALLY ABOUT EIGHT TIMES WITH DIMINISHING RETURNS TO CREATE THIS TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC IMPACT ON, UH, ON THE CITIES AND COUNTIES. 
          THE, UH, THE SECOND REASON WE DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHAT DONALD'S TALKING ABOUT IS ATTRACT NEW CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND FORM OF NEW BUILDINGS, MACHINERY, EQUIPMENT, FIXTURES, AND INVENTORY. 
          ABOUT 25 TO 30% OF A TYPICAL COFFIN COUNTY CITY'S REVENUE FOR THEIR GENERAL FUND COMES FROM PROPERTY TAXES. 
          AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          ABOUT 80% OF YOUR REVENUE WITH COUNTY COMES FROM PROPERTY TAXES. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR A HEALTHY, VIBRANT CITY, COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, UH, THAT WE ATTRACT THIS NEW CAPITAL INVESTMENT OR TAXABLE CAP CAPITAL INVESTMENT. 
          THIRD THING I'M GONNA MENTION IN THE PURPOSE IS, IS, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO, AND THIS IS MORE RECENTLY IN THE LAST 10 TO 10 YEARS THAN WE DID 25 YEARS AGO, BUT ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO IMPROVE LOCAL AUCTION SALES TAX COLLECTION FOR OUR CITY. 
          IN, IN, UH, MY CITY. 
          40% OF MY REVENUE OF MY CITY'S REVENUE FOR MAINTENANCE OPERATION COMES FROM OUR, OUR, UH, 1.5% SALES TAX. 
          SO, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY. 
          WHAT WE DO, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARDS AND CORPORATION IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 1 0 1. 
          IF THERE'S ONLY ONE THING YOUR ED ORGANIZATION DO IS BUILD AND MARKET YOUR BUSINESS PARKS AND OR, OR BUSINESS IN INDUSTRIAL PARKS. 
          I WON'T GET INTO WHY, LIKE I SAID, IT TAKE TOO LONG. 
          WE ALSO, WE PARTNER WITH REGIONAL, UH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE DFW MARKETING TEAM, THE ENCORE, UH, REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM. 
          WE, WE FORMED ENTITIES LIKE THE I 20 CORRIDOR WITH TERRELL AND HORNY PROBABLY A PART OF. 
          AND WE JUST CREATED ONE RECENTLY, THE US 1 75 QUARTER GROUP TO, UH, TO MARKET OUR, OUR REGIONS IN OUR AREAS, UM, EDCS WORK TO IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. 
          A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. 
          UM, MY EDC SPENT $400,000 ON THE WESTERN SECTION OF A ROAD THAT TDOT REQUIRES TO BUILD BEFORE WE COULD CREATE OUR MARKET CENTER. 
          WE WANTED TO PUT A MARKET CENTER IN, WE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT. 
          AND TX SAYS, NO, AFTER WE DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER ROAD HERE. 
          AND SO WE COUGHED UP $400,000 FOR THE WESTERN SECTION OF KINGSPORT PARKWAY. 
          MY A BC ALSO IS PUTTING $1.7 MILLION INTO THE NORTH PHASE OF THE HIGHWAY 34 BYPASS. 
          WE FEEL LIKE THESE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND, AND MOBILITY IS IMPORTANT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OUR SUCCESS IN ATTRACTING PRIMARY JOBS AND TAXABLE CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT WE DO. 
          WE, UH, SPEND A LOT OF TIME PACKAGING REQUESTS FOR, UH, PROPOSALS OR CUSTOMER INFORMATION FOR MANUFACTURING AND DISTRIBUTION PROSPECT. 
          WE'RE A BIG SUPPORTER OF, OF VOCATIONAL EDUCATION AND TRAINING IN OUR SECONDARY AND POST-SECONDARY SCHOOLS. 
          WE DO TRACK JOB GROWTH, UH, NUMBERS PER OUR INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS AND, UM, WE'LL BE GLAD TO TRACK IT ON, ON, ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTIES TAX DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AS WELL. 
          WE, UM, AND IF, IF THERE'S ONLY TWO THINGS AN ED CAN DO BESIDES BUILD A BUSINESS PART, THE SECOND THING WE DO IS WE OPERATE BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAMS. IT'S BEEN SHOWN THAT FOR PRIMARY JOBS, UH, 75 TO 80% OF 'EM FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, NEW JOBS ARE CREATED THROUGH THE EXPANSIONS OF THE  AND THE CHF INDUSTRIES, OR EXCUSE ME, THE NEW MO MANUFACTURING. 
          AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN PROGRAMS, HORRIBLE PROGRAMS TO HELP OUR EXISTING MANUFACTURERS STAY THERE. 
          WE DON'T WANT 'EM CLOSE THEIR DOORS AND PICK UP SHOT AND MOVE TO OKLAHOMA. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO SAY, JUDGE IN COURT IS THE, UH, BEST CUSTOMERS WE HAVE, OUR CUSTOMERS WE ALREADY HAVE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE COMPANIES THAT COULD EASILY GROW IN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          'CAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA RELOCATE A COMPANY, YOU GOTTA PICK IT UP, RELOCATE, BUY LAND, AND DO THE WHOLE THING AND REPLICATE IT AGAIN. 
          IT'S MUCH EASIER TO EXPAND WHERE YOU ARE. 
          YOU'LL ADD MORE PEOPLE, MORE CAPITAL, AND MAYBE YOUR HR DEPARTMENT EXPANDS MAYBE MAYBE ONE PERSON TO HANDLE THE EXTRA PAYROLL OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S, THEY CAN DO IT FAIRLY EASILY, BUT THEY CAN ADD A LOT MORE EMPLOYEES AND MORE TAXPAYERS WHERE THEY STAY. 
          SO, MOVING ON TO OUR TOOL BAG, UM, AND, AND YOU 
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GUYS ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS TOOL BAG BECAUSE YOU DO OFFER TAX ABATEMENTS, BUT CITY, COUNTY AND COLLEGE DISTRICT TAX ABATEMENTS AND, AND I I WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS FOR JUST A SECOND. 
          IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY, UM, AND WHAT OTHER CITIES DO IN OTHER STATES, THIS IS THEIR NUMBER ONE TOOL IN THEIR TOOL BAG. 
          IT'S, IN OTHER WORDS, JUST ABOUT EVERY, EVERY CITY THAT I'VE EVER WORKED IN, EVERY CITY I'VE EVER INTERFACED WITH, UH, DOES TAX ABATEMENTS AS AN INCENTIVE TO ATTRACT INDUSTRY. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, I, I THINK I'VE SHARED WITH Y'ALL, I'M NOT REALLY CRAZY ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE STILL GOTTA PROVIDE 'EM POLICE PROTECTION AND FIRE PROTECTION. 
          YOU GOTTA PROVIDE 'EM STREETS AND ROADS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES TO GET TO WORK. 
          BUT, UH, BUT, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS TOOL IN OUR TOOL BAG, WE'RE AT A MAJOR DISADVANTAGE, YOU KNOW, WITH 99.999% OF EVERY OTHER CITY IN AMERICA. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. 
          TEXAS, UH, CITIES ARE, OR AT LEAST ABOUT 800 OF US, ARE REALLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THIS EDC SALES TAX TOOL. 
          MOST OTHER STATES DON'T HAVE THIS. 
          I'VE GOT A LARGER BUDGET IN KAUFMAN, TEXAS THAN AUGUSTA, GEORGIA, WHERE I GREW UP  AND RAN THE EDC PROGRAM THERE FOR A FEW YEARS, RIGHT? IT IS, YES, IT IS INCREDIBLE. 
          UM, WHAT THIS EDC, UH, SALES TAX HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO, INCLUDING CASH GRANTS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING AUGUSTA, GEORGIA HAS NEVER DONE. 
          UM, BUT WE USE CASH GRANTS SOMETIMES ON A PER JOB BASIS, UM, MAYBE FOR TRAINING, UH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BASED FOR TRAINING FOR BASED ON NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES OR EVEN SOMETIMES CASH ADVANCEMENTS FOR RELOCATING THEIR BUSINESS FROM NEBRASKA TO KAUFMAN, UM, THREE YEAR DISCOUNTED LAND COSTS. 
          WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE BUY, BUY LAND AT 3000 AN ACRE, PUT IN A FEW STREETS, CALL IT A BUSINESS PARK. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THEN DANNY SELLS HIS FOR 10,000 AN ACRE, WHICH IS PROBABLY 30,000, I MEAN, YEAH, BELOW MARKET VALUE. 
          UH, WE ENDED UP, DID ONE INCENTIVE RECENTLY, A ZERO INTEREST LOAN TO A COMPANY. 
          UH, WE ACTUALLY GAVE 'EM A $250,000 CASH GRANT AND $150,000 LOAN. 
          WE PAID BACK OVER TIME THE ZERO INTEREST, UM, TAX INCREMENT FINANCING OR, UH, TURS TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. 
          THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT INTERCHANGEABLY IS THE SAME THING. 
          THERE'S SOME MINOR DIFFERENCES IN 'EM ACTUALLY. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THEY BECOME A TOOL. 
          UH, TERRELL ESTABLISHED, I THINK THE FIRST ONE IN THE COUNTY IN 2009, AND KAUFMAN ESTABLISHED, UH, OUR FIRST ONE THIS, THIS DECEMBER. 
          BUT IT'S A WAY TO PAY FOR PUBLIC PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WITH A PART OF THE FUTURE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE GENERATED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT. 
          AND THAT'S BECOME A VERY, VERY BIG TOOL. 
          AND, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF CITIES EVEN LIKE SOUTH LAKE AND, AND TROPHY CLUB ARE USING. 
          AND LEE, IF I CAN, SURE, I DID A PRESENTATION WITH CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT TALKING ABOUT OUR CHURCH DISTRICT THERE IN, UH, NEY AND BRINGING THEM UP TO SPEED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAKE SOME APPOINTMENTS TO OUR CHURCH BOARD. 
          WE HAVE SOME VACANT SEATS THERE. 
          AND, UH, JUST IN MY RESEARCH CHURCH AND TIFF HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 60 YEARS, THAT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THAT TOOL HAS BEEN AROUND THAT LONG. 
          AND THERE'S FOLKS STILL USING IT, FINDING IT, STILL USING IT AS A GOOD TOOL TO, TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO VERY INTERESTING. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE LAST THING I MENTIONED IN OUR TOOL BAG IS PARTNERING WITH THE CITY AND NOR COUNTY WITH CHAPTER THREE 80 OR THREE 80, UH, ONE AGREEMENTS. 
          THAT'S HOW WE GOT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN OUR MARKET CENTER. 
          UH, ER USED THEM, NEY USED THEM. 
          UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHERS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE A THREE 80 AGREEMENT GRANT OR NOT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, UM, TO CLOSE OUT. 
          IF, IF ONE COFFMAN COUNTY CITY CAN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF A PROSPECT, I'M ON THE PHONE WITH WARREN OR DANNY OR DON, OR, OR CODY, I, I'VE PROBABLY SENT YOU PROSPECTED FORWARD. 
          WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP HIM IN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, WE BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD FOR TERRELL IS GOOD FOR KAUFMAN. 
          WE DON'T POACH EACH OTHER'S BUSINESSES. 
          IF A, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY CITY NEVER OFFERS AN INCENTIVE TO ANOTHER CITY'S BUSINESS. 
          AND LET, LET ME TELL YOU, WE MANAGED TO TICK OFF SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES SOMEHOW, OR USUALLY OUR CITY COUNCIL'S DEBATE ACTUALLY, OR CITY MANAGERS, BUT, UH, COULDN'T BE THE EDC PEOPLE, BUT NO, NOT THE EDC ASSURE YOU. 
          BUT, UH, BUT, BUT THEN THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GO TALK TO ANOTHER CITY IN THE COUNTY 'CAUSE THEIR WORKFORCES IN THAT COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, BUT WE DON'T OFFER, UH, INCENTIVES TO, UH, TO ANY BUSINESS FROM ANOTHER KAUFMAN COUNTY CITY. 
          WE ACT, WE ALL PARTICIPATE IN THE LEADERSHIP, UH, KAUFMAN TRAINING PROGRAM TO EDUCATE OUR FUTURE LEADERS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF ECONOMIC GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR 
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AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE FOR ANY COFFMAN COUNTY CITY IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. 
          I THINK YOU PROBABLY SEE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT ONE ON SHOW TODAY. 
          AND SIMILARLY, WHAT IS GOOD FOR DALLAS AND NORTH TEXAS IS GOOD FOR KAMAN COUNTY. 
          UM, ACTUALLY DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY AND, UM, AND, AND, AND THEIR CITIES PROBABLY EMPLOYED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HALF OF OUR WORKFORCE. 
          UH, IT'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT. 
          OH YEAH, HE PROBABLY EXPORT 73% OF HIS WORKING AGE ADULTS TO THE WEST TO GO TO WORK. 
          KAUFMAN DOES ABOUT 50. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT CARROLL DOES, BUT FOR PROBABLY COUNTY WISE, SOMEWHERE IN THE 50% RANGE. 
          UM, THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES, LEE YEAH. 
          FOR THIS COUNTY IS WE, WE TRY TO DRIVE AND GROW MORE JOBS LOCALLY TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD COMMUTING TO DALLAS. 
          WE, WE'VE GOTTA STOP THAT. 
          WE'VE GOTTA TURN IT AROUND AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT EVERY DAY. 
          AND I COULD SAY, ACTUALLY, CONVERSELY, ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE PARTICIPATE. 
          I'M A PAST CHAIRMAN OF THE DALLAS FORT WORTH MARKETING TEAM THAT'S 6 55 CITIES AND, AND WE DO REGIONAL MARKETING FOR DALLAS FORT WORTH BECAUSE OF WHAT GOOD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CREATING JOBS FOR OUR PEOPLE AND THAT'S GOOD. 
          THEY'RE BRINGING PAYCHECKS BACK ON TO US AND, AND, AND PAYING PROPERTY, COUNTY PROPERTY TAXES AND SCHOOL PROPERTY TAXES AND CITY PROPERTY TAXES. 
          SO I'LL STOP THERE AND, AND LEAVE US SOME TIME FOR SOME QUESTIONS. 
          ANY, ANYBODY ELSE WITH EDC HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, CODY, OR I'LL TELL YOU, WE JUST, WE LEARNED FROM THESE GUYS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A SMALL TOWN. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I, I NEED THESE GUYS. 
          AND SO IT IS TRULY A, A TEAM EFFORT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND, AND WE HOPE WE GROW UP AND BE AS GOOD AS THESE GUYS ONE DAY, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. 
          BUT, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT WE DEPEND ON YOU GUYS AND WE DEPEND ON EACH OTHER, UH, TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          WELL, AND I, I COMMEND YOU, I MEAN, ALL OF, YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF, UH, IN YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR AREAS THAT YOU SERVE. 
          THE THING THAT IS INTERESTING TO ME IS HOW YOU WORK TOGETHER. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT PART OF THE COUNTY AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          WHAT REALLY, AND JACKIE WAS THE ONE THAT KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP, I BELIEVE THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE WERE TALKING, IS, UH, THE ASSURANCE THAT WHEN WE ENTER INTO A TAX, JACKIE, LET MISS QUOTE YOU HERE, UH, AGAIN, AGAIN, UH, THE ASSURANCE THAT WE HAVE, IF THE COMPANY THAT WE GRANT A TAX MAIL TO SAYS THEY'RE GONNA CREATE 50 JOBS, WHO KEEPS UP WITH THAT BOARD TOO, THAT WE JUST WANTED THAT ASSURANCE. 
          NOW WE, WE REQUEST THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PAYROLL RECORDS THAT THEY, UH, THEY'RE NINE 40 ONES THAT THEY SUBMIT TO THE STATE. 
          AND WE, WE CERTIFY THOSE JOBS TO BE SURE THAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE EMPLOYEES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS THERE PLACE, THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES THERE. 
          COURT WITH THE PWC CHECKS, WORKFORCE COMMISSION, AND THEN THE LOCAL, THE LOCAL COMPANY ITSELF, RIGHT. 
          THEIR PAYROLL RECORDS. 
          THOSE, THOSE TWO OBJECT. 
          WE, WE KIND OF NEED TO DO BOTH BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE ONE INDUSTRY MATTER OF FACT THAT, UM, THAT WE GET A JOB REPORT FROM TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION THAT SAYS THEY GOT ONE NUMBER, BUT THEY USE A, UH, THEY ACTUALLY USE AN AGENCY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY PAY TO GET 25 OF THEIR WORKERS. 
          SO I, I GOTTA GET THEIR LOCAL PAYROLL, YOU KNOW, AND THE WORKFORCE COMMISSION TO GET A TRUE PICTURE. 
          AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF IT. 
          ONE OF OUR FIRMS, UM, THEY'RE MORE OF A PENDING COMPANY THAN, THAN A MANUFACTURING BOUGHT A $4 MILLION PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, OR MAYBE LESS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          Y'ALL DID TAX ABATEMENTS FOR THEM. 
          MY CITY DID, AND THE COLLEGE DISTRICT DID. 
          AND SURE ENOUGH, THE VERY FIRST YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE START OF THE RECESSION, THEY HAD A LITTLE DIP IN THEIR BUSINESS AND INSTEAD OF GENERATING A, THE MINIMUM 10 NEW JOBS REQUIRED, THEY ACTUALLY LOST ABOUT THREE JOBS. 
          AND WE CONTACTED THE, THE, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND SAID, STOP IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS THING IS NULL AND VOID PER OUR AGREEMENT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT, YOU KNOW, MEET, MEET YOUR MINIMUM 10 JOBS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIVE YEARS OF YOUR BASIC LABOR. 
          AND I HEARD, BY THE WAY, I HEARD, UH, DON MENTION ABOUT 10 YEARS ABATEMENT. 
          WE, WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          I DON'T THINK Y'ALL DON'T DO IT ANYMORE. 
          MY CAROL MAY, MAY DO IT AT THE CITY LEVEL, BUT, UH, BUT I, BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE'S FIVE YEAR ABATEMENTS IS YOUR, WE'RE WE ARE CASE BY CASE ON THE CITY SIDE. 
          ON THE CITY SIDE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH CASE BY CASE WHERE THE THREE 80 AGREEMENTS YEAH. 
          COUNTY IS 
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AT 10 YEARS YEAH. 
          MEETING THE THRESHOLDS. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN YOU HAVE TO MEET THOSE THRESHOLDS TO GET THAT, BUT YEAH. 
          AND YOU HAVE THE COURT, THE WAY I READ THAT, A TAX EVASION JUDGE. 
          OH, IT IS A 10 YEAR, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE BIG ONE, BUT YOU HAVE THE COURT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ADJUST THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT YOU A LACK OF IM COMING IN. 
          YES. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY CONTACTED . 
          GOOD. 
          SO HOW DO YOU JUDGE WHO GETS FIVE OR 10 YEARS? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A CRITERIA THAT YOU'VE GOT SET OUT THERE TO, OR JOBS REVENUE OR COMMISSIONER? WE, WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT HAVE A MATRIX. 
          SOME CITIES DO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY PARTNERS HAVE A MATRIX THAT THEY'RE WORKING OFF OF X AMOUNT OF JOBS, X AMOUNT IN ALL THAT. 
          NO, WE DON'T. 
          IT'S, IT'S USUALLY A, A BASED ON THE INVESTMENT AND THE NUMBER OF JOBS THEY'RE GONNA CREATE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S REALLY BIG. 
          AND WE, THE CITY DOES, WE DO HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY IN PLACE, BUT IT MATCHES, UM, IT MATCHES THE COUNTY TOO FOR, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABATEMENTS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE FOR THE ABATEMENTS. 
          ABATEMENTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S, I THINK YOUR POLICY AND OUR, AND MAYORS IS YOU GET 300% TOTAL ABATEMENT. 
          IF IT'S A $1 MILLION INVESTMENT IN 10 JOBS, AND THEN IT GOES TO 400% FOR TWO AND A HALF MILLION AND 15 JOBS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, AND THOSE ARE FIVE YEARS, AND THEN IT GOES TO 550% OR $5 MILLION MINIMUM INVESTMENT IN 25 JOBS. 
          AND THAT ONE GOES OVER 10 YEARS. 
          IT'S, IT'S SPREAD OUT. 
          BUT Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A, IF WE HAD A REALLY GOOD COMPANY WE REALLY WANTED, WE, WE MIGHT ASK YOU TO, TO ADJUST THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, MAY BAILEY WANT TO TAKE IT ALL DOWN IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. 
          THEY'RE A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY. 
          I HOPE YOU DO IT, KENNETH. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UH, WHEN MR. LINDSAY AND I WAS WALKING OVER HERE THIS MORNING, I SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WILL HAVE HAD ALL THE PEOPLE WITH THE EGCS COME AND SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE WITH US AND TALK ABOUT WHERE OUR COUNTY IS FIXING TO GO AND WHAT OUR CITIES WILL DO. 
          I APPRECIATE A LANDMARKS OPPORTUNITY HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, FIRST TIME EVER THAT ALL THE CITIES AND COUNTIES WORKING TOGETHER AND IT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL, WE'RE PARTNER, WE'RE PARTNERS OUT HERE, GUYS, WE'RE OUT HERE. 
          WE'RE OUT HERE PLUGGING IT EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S COMPETITIVE OUT THERE. 
          LET ME TELL YOU, I THINK WE TOUCHED ON SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE USE, AND THOSE AREN'T, THOSE AREN'T NEW OR DIFFERENT OR OTHER FOLKS HAVE THOSE AS WELL. 
          AND NORTH TEXAS IS ABOUT AS COMPETITIVE AS IT GETS, AS LEMME TELL YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING THE COUNTY'S NOT DOING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OR CONSIDER THAT WOULD HELP THAT NO MATTER WHAT CITY IN JUST TO PROVE THAT FIRST THING NEXT WEEK, , I, I THINK YOU'RE DOING IT WITH THE, UH, WITH, WITH YOUR TAX POLICY THAT YOU JUST REUPPED, UH, THAT'S FANTASTIC. 
          AND, UH, THE 3 81 CHAPTER 3 81 GIVES YOU A LOT OF LATERAL MOVEMENT ON WHAT YOU CAN DO ECONOMICALLY, DEVELOP WISE, MAKE GRANTS AND LOANS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF LEEWAY THERE THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY FAR END OR THE SHORT END, DOESN'T MATTER. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? I JUST, I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, SUPER OPPORTUNITY WITH ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE GOING ON WITH THE LOAD BOND PACKAGE FROM TDOT KICKING IN, YOU KNOW, PROP ONE AND, AND THIS OTHER PROPOSITION MONEY, LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AND, AND ALL THE CITIES OF THE COUNTY WORKING TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY LIKE COFFMAN COUNTY'S NEVER HAD BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT TODAY'S MEETING, WE'VE GOT DON HERE RATHER THAN DANNY BOOTH . 
          YEAH. 
          JUDGE, IF I MAY, I WANT POINT OUT MS. WENDY ON THE END DOWN HERE FROM CRANDALL AS VP OF THEIR BOARD, UH, SHE CONTACTED ME OUT OF THE BLUE SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, AND WE HAD ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF DISCUSSION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON, 20, WHAT'S GOING ON, CRANDALL, WHAT ARE THEY DOING, WHAT ARE WE DOING, WHAT'S SOME THINGS? AND TAKING A COPY FROM US, WE GOT IT FROM THEM. 
          SO THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT LEE SAID. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE VERY FRIENDLY COMPETITORS. 
          YEAH. 
          OH HECK YEAH. 
          I WANT IT IN INFORM HIM. 
          I MEAN, GIMME A BREAK. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA PARTNER UP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S BEING VERY HUMBLE. 
          VERY HUMBLE. 
          HE HAD NO CLUE WHO I WAS. 
          AND WHEN I CALLED, IT WAS A WHILE AGO, JUST MENTION THAT THIS FIRST DAY FACE DID, I FINALLY MET HIM AND HE SPENT A LENGTHY AMOUNT OF TIME, LENGTHY AMOUNT OF TIME HELPING ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GROW C CRANDLE. 
          AND THEN, UM, HE EVEN OFFERED IN OUR CONVERSATION, IF, IF YOU EVER WANT ME TO COME OUT TO CRAN A PRESENTATION AND HELP YOU, LET ME KNOW. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, LET, LET ME GET SOME THINGS TOGETHER BEFORE YOU COME AND GIVE US YOUR TIME. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          BUT I, I WAS AMAZED WITH HOW, AND THAT'S KIND OF SPIRALED ME EVER SINCE I TALKED TO HIM, I'VE JUST BEEN SPIRALING AND THE, OOH, I CAN, WE CAN DO THIS, SO WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT HAD HE NOT GIVEN ME THAT TIME, I, I WAS AMAZED. 
          SEE, YOU'RE VERY, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          VERY HUMBLE IN SAYING THAT. 
          YOU'RE 
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WELCOME. 
          THAT'S GOOD, LEE. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY YOU GUYS ARE DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE DOING THE, THE TAX ABATE WHEN WE ASK YOU MM-HMM. 
          UH, YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN, IN TOURS WHEN WE ASKED YOU. 
          AND, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF, IF, IF AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE AND THE HISTORY OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY, IT, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT COUNTY ROAD BOND THAT YOU GUYS GOT BEHIND AND, AND ORGANIZED AND, AND PASSED. 
          YOU'RE LEVERAGING MORE DOLLARS WITH THE STATE AND WITH COG. 
          AND THERE'S ONLY THREE THINGS YOU CAN DO IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          ONE'S BUILDING BUSINESS PARTY, AND, UM, TWOS DO YOUR BUSINESS WITH RETENTION. 
          BUT YOU GOTTA BUILD ROADS. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE ROADS, YOU CAN'T GET YOUR PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH. 
          YOU CAN'T GET YOUR RAW MATERIALS IN AND YOU CAN'T GET YOUR PENNY PRODUCT OUT. 
          AND SO YOU'RE DOING IT ALL AND YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          JUST DO, JUST DO MORE, BETTER, FASTER. 
          I NEED THAT 3 MILLION. 
          THE COUNTY ROAD WANTS ONE SOON. 
          YOU'LL DO IT. 
          IF WE WRAP UP, JUDGE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT, THAT I, THAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT, WHAT WE CAN ALL DO, AND I'VE SEEN THIS IN MY 20 YEAR CAREER, YOU GOTTA TELL THE STORY OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          AND YOU GOTTA TELL IT IN A POSITIVE MANNER WHEN YOU TRAVEL, WHEN I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, HEY, YOU'RE THE BEST AMBASSADORS WE HAVE. 
          WHAT'S THE STORY YOU'RE TELLING ME? THAT'S WHY WE DO BUSINESS RETENTION. 
          WE WANT OUR BUSINESSES KNOW, WE CARE ABOUT, I DON'T WANT 'EM ON A PLANE TELLING SOMEBODY, OH MY GOD, YOU DON'T WANNA GO TO POINTING TEXAS. 
          THEY STAND, THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS SUCKS. 
          IT TAKES YOU SIX MONTHS TO GET A PERMIT. 
          THEY'RE HORRIBLE PEOPLE. 
          MY GOD, THE SIGN ORDINANCE WILL KILL YOU. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, RIGHT? YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITH THEIR LOCAL BUSINESSES. 
          THEY GOTTA FEEL LIKE THEY BELONG THERE. 
          AND WHEN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, WE WANT 'EM TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL US SO WE CAN INTERCEDE FOR THEM AND, AND NOT TO, NOT TO DISREGARD CITY CODES AND RULES. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO TO WORK WITH THE CITY. 
          HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS ISSUE FOR THIS COMPANY AND HELP THEM TO STAY HERE? WE'VE ALL GOTTA DO THAT JOB. 
          WE'VE GOT TO TELL OUR STORY POSITIVELY WHEN YOU TRAVEL, VISIT WHOEVER YOU'RE TALKING TO, SPEAK POSITIVE OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR COUNTY. 
          SAVE THE ARGUMENTS FOR CLOSED DOORS. 
          WE ARGUE OVER CORNER AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN LATELY. 
          WE DO SOME ARGUMENT, BUT MY GOSH, WHEN I'M OUT IN PUBLIC, I, I DON'T PLAY THAT GAME. 
          AND WE'VE GOTTA BE POSITIVE ON WHAT WE DO, SO WE GOTTA STAY ON TARGET. 
          WELL, THAT'S GOOD. 
          AND SO THIS IS A GOOD SEGUE TO MOVE INTO THE SECOND, AND I'M GLAD Y'ALL ARE HERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL BE INTERESTING FOR YOU TO HEAR, UH, HAVING MANY DISCUSSIONS ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, TIMELINE FOR COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICT. 
          AND THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT FOR US. 
          SOME OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE IT. 
          UH, REBECCA HAS, SHE'S GONNA BE CAREFUL WALK THROUGH THIS. 
          BUT THE REASON I WAS GONNA SAY THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          WELL, UH, AS, AS WE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID OUR LAST DEBATE, UH, AND AS WE'RE LOOKING WITH THE TERMS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE COUNTY HAS NOW DECIDED WE NEED TO KEEP, WE DO NOT NEED TO EXEMPT PROPERTY TAX FROM OUR BONDED DEBT THAT HELPS PAYS OFF THE DEBT. 
          AND ALL OF YOU, I BELIEVE, ARE SUPPORTIVE OF DEBT THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THEN ALSO ROAD BRIDGE TAX. 
          UH, WE, WE DO NOT NEED TO EXEMPT THAT BECAUSE WE NEED ALL THE MONEY WE CAN GET FOR OUR COUNTY ROAD BRIDGE THE HE'S TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO, UH, THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MORNING. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ALLEN IS THE ONE THAT, UH, HAS BEEN KIND OF LIKE A BIRD DOG ON THIS AND UH, TALK TO SOME OTHER COUNTIES AND I THINK THE OTHER COMMERS HAVE AS WELL. 
          BUT LET ME, REBECCA, IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET ME LET, UH, COMMISSIONER ALLEN, UH, KIND OF GIVE HIS TAKE ON IT AND THEN WE'LL LET, LET EVERYBODY TALK. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY REBECCA, WELL, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS OUR TAKE ON ROAD AND BRIDGE IS SO SMALL, WE EDGE BACK UP A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, SOME COUNTIES AND ALL THESE SCHOOLS, THEY GOING TO HAVE THIS. 
          AND IT HELPS US TO GET IN MONEY THAT'S NOT BEING GENERATED OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS IN THE COUNTY. 
          THAT WOULD GO STRICTLY FOR OUR ROADS AND BRIDGE FUNDS BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THE ROAD IS A BAD, CAN'T GET TO YOUR HOME, NO ONE'S GONNA BUILD A NICE HOME ON THAT ROAD AND YOU'RE TEARING THE CARS UP GETTING TO THE HOUSES THEY HAVE NOW. 
          SO IT KIND OF COMES FULL CIRCLE THAT IF WE CAN KEEP PROPERTY TAXES UP, THAT HELPS THE COUNTY THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE HERE BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE GOOD OUT IN THE COUNTY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          JUST LIKE IN CITY STREETS, SAME WAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER. 
          UM, MOST OF THIS WILL BE COLLECTED WITH PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH AND OTHER MAJOR CITIES THAT ARE PAYING IT ANYWAY. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT 
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A BIG ISSUE AS FAR AS DOLLARS, BUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S LIKE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT COULD POSSIBLY COME IN TO OUR ROAD BRIDGE FUND THE FIRST YEAR. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIMITED WAY WE CAN RAISE MONEY FOR ROADS. 
          EITHER TAXES, NOBODY WANTS TO RAISE TAXES OR ANOTHER BOND ISSUE. 
          NOBODY WANTS TO FLOAT ANOTHER BOND ISSUE. 
          SO THAT'S TAXES TOO. 
          AND THIS IS KIND OF, IF YOU SPEND MONEY, YOU PAY. 
          IF YOU DON'T, THEN IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT'S MY FAULT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE'S DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THIS. 
          WARREN HAS HAD SOME EXPERIENCE DOWN IN ANOTHER COUNTY AND I'LL ASK YOU TO HOLD ONTO THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND REBECCA, GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO LET US, TELL US, TELL US WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GONNA PRESENT TODAY, , THAT'S ALWAYS A NICE OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THAT'S OKAY. 
          I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONER HOLLAND AND KIND OF FEEL THROUGH WHAT HE'S LOOKING TO DO WITH CREATING A, A COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICT. 
          AND HE ASKED THAT I REACH OUT TO, UM, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LAW FIRMS TO SEE, UM, WHAT TYPE OF SERVICES THEY WOULD OFFER TO THE COUNTY TO COMPLETE THAT TASK. 
          I FOUND THEIR FEES A LITTLE, UM, HIGH FOR WHAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO ON OUR OWN. 
          AND I SPOKE WITH, UM, JUDGE WILEY ABOUT IT TOO, TO KIND OF FILL AND SEE WHAT WE COULD DO IN OUR OFFICE. 
          I THINK, UM, 3 87 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IS, IS PRETTY CUT AND DRY ON WHERE WE CAN PLACE THIS TYPE OF DISTRICT. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE UNINCORPORATED. 
          AND THEN, UM, WHERE AREAS WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITIES, IT'S ONLY THOSE THAT HAVEN'T MAXED OUT THEIR SALES TAX FOR THAT 2%. 
          UM, WHICH GETS YOU TO THE 8.25. 
          I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC WISE WHERE YOU WANT TO POSITION THE DISTRICTS. 
          I THINK THAT PROBABLY BE BEST FOR COMMITTEE TO BE PUT TOGETHER. 
          UM, MAYBE SOMETHING THESE GUYS COULD BE ON IT TOO. 
          UM, DO, UM, WORK WITH PROBABLY CHRIS PEACE AND SEE, UH, IF HE CAN HELP US MAP OUT SOME DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. 
          THE, UM, LIKE I SP I SPOKE TO BOB BASS, UM, WITH JIM ALLISON'S FIRM. 
          HE WAS A LITTLE DOWNPLAYED THEIR ABILITY TO DO THE DEMOGRAPHIC SIDE OF IT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN QUITE EXPENSIVE TO GO WITH THEM ON THAT. 
          AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO ORGANIZE THAT OURSELVES. 
          BUT TIMELINE WISE, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IT ON THE FALL BALLOT, UM, WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, WHICH WOULD MEAN WE'VE GOTTA DO OUR NOTICE BY AUGUST, I THINK 22ND. 
          SO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT COMMITTEE ROLLING IF IT'S SOMETHING EVERYONE'S INTERESTED IN DOING. 
          AND THEN PUTTING TOGETHER THOSE, UH, DEMOGRAPHICS AND SEEING WHERE WE WANT THE DISTRICT TO GO. 
          AND I KNOW WE CAN SEPARATE IT OUT INTO MULTIPLE DISTRICTS, ONE DISTRICT. 
          IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON WHAT, UM, EVERYTHING LOOKED LIKE AND WHAT ARGUMENTS WERE MADE FOR WHERE THOSE DISTRICTS SHOULD GO. 
          I KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE MOST INTERESTED IN IS WHERE CAN THE MONEY GO THAT'S COLLECTED. 
          UM, COMP FULLER HAS LET US KNOW, I THINK IT'S ABOUT $550,000 THAT WOULD BE COLLECTED RIGHT NOW IN OUR UNINCORPORATED AREAS IF YOU WERE TO IMPOSE THIS TYPE OF, UM, SALES TAX, UH, IN THE DISTRICT. 
          AND IT CAN GO TO CONSTRUCTION, MAINTENANCE, UH, MAINTENANCE, IMPROVEMENTS OF ROADS, HIGHWAYS, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, PROMOTIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM. 
          UM, PUBLIC HEALTH WELFARE. 
          I MEAN IT'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT YOU CAN, UM, SPEND THESE FUNDS ON. 
          AND I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER ALLEN WAS MAINLY INTERESTED IN THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT OF THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GENERAL OVERVIEW. 
          DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? AND THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD VOTE ON THIS WOULD BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLY IN THE RURAL AREAS THAT ARE NOT ALREADY INCORPORATED? I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL ANSWER OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A MUNICIPAL COMPONENT WHERE THEY HAPPEN REQUEST IF YOU'RE DOING IT IN, IN MUNICIPALITY THAT HASN'T RAISED THEIR OH, OKAY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THEY CAN VOTE. 
          I MEAN THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOKED AT. 
          I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK TO, I MEAN, WARREN'S GONNA HAVE SOME INSIGHT INTO THIS 'CAUSE YOU DID THIS IN PACE COUNTY, I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON, ON, SO WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE IN HAYES COUNTY WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND DID, DID THE SALES TAX. 
          YEAH. 
          WE LOOKED AT IT IN HOOD COUNTY AS WELL. 
          WHAT, WHAT YOU GOTTA LOOK, WHAT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER ON MUNICIPALITIES AND REBECCA'S, RIGHT, IF THEY, IF THEY'RE NOT TO THE 2 CENT CAP, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SOME MARGIN THERE. 
          THEY'RE INELIGIBLE CANDIDATE FOR THIS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE OP THE OPTION TO OPT OUT AS A CITY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE TO THE GOVERNING BODY. 
          I'M JUST GONNA USE CR AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE SINCE THE MAYOR, PETER AND MAYOR, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR LOCAL SALES TAX ACCOUNT? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU'RE A 2 CENT CAP. 
          THEY'VE GOT, YOU'RE ALREADY THERE. 
          SO LET'S JUST PLAY FOR INSTANCE, HE'S AN PENNY AND A HALF RIGHT NOW AND HE HAD A HALF CENT. 
          AND I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A HALF CENT? IS THAT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          HE, HE COULD HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE, BUT THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE CRANDALL CITY COUNCIL AND THEY'D SAY YES OR NO, VOTED UP OR DOWN. 
          AND THEN CRANDALL WOULD, WOULD NOT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          SO, AND 
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THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE LIKE THE FOUR LITTLE CITIES THAT I HAVE LIKE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, NO, UH, ROAD MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, ABILITY OF THEIR OWN. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY KEPT OUT, WHICH I KNOW A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT, WE WOULD BE ROBBING THEM OF THEIR ABILITY IF, IF THEY FAILED TO OPT OUT LIKE ON THEIR UTILITIES. 
          IF WE IMPOSE THIS, WE WOULD BE ROBBING THEM OF THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT THAT IN FOR THEIR OWN. 
          YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          WELL THAT MIGHT BE THE CITY COUNCIL TOO. 
          I JUST THINK YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT PHRASE BECAUSE IF YOU PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS. 
          MAYBE YOU SAY, OKAY, POST SO YOU'RE NOT QUITE TO YOUR 2% YET. 
          GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT UP. 
          IT BE YOUR INTEREST. 
          WELL THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENED. 
          YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY SEE THIS COMING, THEY'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 'EM OPERATES OFF FRANCHISE TAXES ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INDUSTRY, NO STORES, NO SALES TAX TOOLS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO MOVE IT UP. 
          THEY CAN JUST OPT OUT PERIOD. 
          THEY CAN STILL STAY AT THE SAME TAX. 
          WELL THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          THEY, THEY CAN CAP, YOU KNOW, RESIST THAT ON THE OWN. 
          THAT'S THEY'RE, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER, RIGHT, WE'RE NOT, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THERE BULLDOZING, WE'D BE COOPERATING IF THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THAT FOR OURSELF OR WE'RE GONNA OPT OUT. 
          WE'D RESPECT THAT WE LOOKED AT IT. 
          'CAUSE BECAUSE I'M MORE FAMILIAR WITH YOUR AREA. 
          I LOOKED AND SAID, AND HE'S GOT SHOWED ME SMALL INCORPORATED. 
          THEY MAY DO THAT, BUT THEY MAY DECIDE NOT TO. 
          THEY MIGHT DECIDE FOR US TO DO IT AND FIX SOME OF THOSE ROADS THAT ARE NOT INCORPORATED THAT ACCESS TO THEIR HOMES IN THOSE CITIES. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, WELL THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE 'CAUSE I, I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. 
          WE PAY ROAD RIDGE TAX, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT FIXING OUR CITY ROADS. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT I HAVE SEVERAL JUST LIKE IT AND I APPRECIATE IT TOO. 
          WELL, YEAH, YEAH, SAME THING. 
          BUT I THINK IF WE SIT DOWN JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE AND TRY TO COME UP AS A COMMITTEE AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE WE DON'T IS AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PACKAGE IT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND IF SOMEBODY WANNA OPT OUT OR RAISE THEIRS. 
          AND WE, WE HAVE A COOPERATION. 
          WHAT I THINK WE WANTED TO DO IS WHEN COMMISSIONER ALLEN THOUGHT OF IT, WE WANTED TO DO THE RESEARCH AND THEN AFTER REBECCA SPOKE TO ME YESTERDAY AND I SAID, WELL I'LL, I'LL REALLY TRY TO COME BY BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD DO ALL THIS LEGAL WORK AND ONCE WE TALK TO AND SAVE THE COUNTY THE MONEY, BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY GO TO VASS OR OR ALLISON AND SAY, DO WE CHECK EVERYTHING OFF? BUT WE COULD JUST DO THIS WORK IN HOUSE. 
          MY NEXT QUESTION IS THE $500,000 THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE COMPTROLLER SAID THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY CAPTURE NOW, IS THAT INCLUDING THE LITTLE CITIES THAT HAVEN'T RAISED THE FRANCHISE TAX THAT THE MAXIMUM IT IS, BUT I HAVE A COPY OF EACH OF THE CITIES AND THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR THAT DON'T. 
          SO THAT AMOUNT THAT'S WITHIN THE CITIES, YOU COULD PROBABLY, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 5 68 OR SOMETHING. 
          SO EVEN IF IT WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF 60,000, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF BALLPARK THEN YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT ABOUT HALF A MILLION IN JUST THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, NOT NOT COUNTING ANY OF THE CITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE CAN HAVE THE COMPTROLLER REDO THAT STATISTIC FOR US. 
          AND I WOULD WONDER ABOUT HOW MANY OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO RAISE IT TO TWO, WELL THEY DON'T. 
          WE DON WANNA GO IN TOTALLY FORMING EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH, TOTALLY. 
          WE DO HAVE THIS OPTION TO RAISE. 
          YEAH, WE, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING WE WANT CREATE ANY BAD FEELINGS ABOUT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE JUDGE, IF I MAY PIGGYBACK ON, ON THE MADAM ATTORNEY'S, UH, COMMENT THERE, UH, ABOUT INFORMING FOLKS. 
          THE HAYES COUNTY ISSUE WAS, WE GOT, WE GOT BLINDSIDED IN BUDDA BECAUSE OUR ESD ESDS HAVE TAXING POWER. 
          THEY WENT OUT AND, AND THEIR SERVICE AREA OUTSIDE THE CITY AND IMPOSED A HALF CENT SALES TAX VIA ELECTION. 
          AND IT FLEW UNDER THE RADAR. 
          I MEAN, THE CITY, THE CITY AT THAT TIME WAS NOT EVEN ATTENDING THEIR MEETINGS. 
          THERE WAS NO REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY. 
          THEY VOTED TO DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, IT FLEW UNDER THE RADAR. 
          AND THEY LIKE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? AND MAN, WE GOT CAUGHT BLINDSIDED. 
          WELL THEN WHEN THE CITY ANNEXED PROPERTY OUT IN THE ETJ TO BE A GROUP, THE CITY SAID, WELL YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL IMPOSE OUR SALES TAX OUT THERE. 
          HAYES COUNTY HAS A HALF CENT SALES TAX. 
          SO, AND THE ESD WENT OUT THERE AND THEY HAD ALREADY GOTTEN THEIR FIRST AND HAD A HALF CENT. 
          THERE WAS ONLY A PENNY LEFT . 
          SO THE CITY WAS A PENNY AND A HALF CITY WITH A PENNY LEFT. 
          LEFT. 
          AND I WAS THE EDC AT A HALF CENT. 
          AND THE CITY SAID, WELL, WE'RE STATUTORY A PENNY AND A HALF. 
          AND I, MY BOARD SAID, NOW WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE STATUTORY AT A HALF CENT, SO SOMETHING'S GOTTA GET. 
          AND THEN MAN, WE, WE FOUGHT ABOUT IT. 
          THIS WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE STATE HOUSE. 
          WE GOT A, A REPRESENTATIVE ROW SIT IN ON THAT AND MITIGATED THAT MEETING. 
          WE WERE, WE WERE HAVING COLD. 
          THEY'LL TELL YOU, HEY, WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST GETS IT. 
          I MEAN IT'S, IT'S FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED. 
          SO THAT WAS IT. 
          THERE WAS A PENNY LEFT. 
          WE HAD TO SPLIT IT BETWEEN THE CITY AND EBC. 
          SO WE SPLIT IT IN THIRDS. 
          I ENDED UP WITH A THIRD. 
          THEY ENDED UP WITH TWO THIRDS. 
          AND THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS ON INFORMATION WISE. 
          SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S INFORMED OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          ESPECIALLY 
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WITH THE CITIES. 
          MAKE SURE, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IF THEY HAVE CAPACITY, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE. 
          YOU KNOW, OPT OUT, RAISE IT, OPT IN AND SAY, YEAH, WE LIKE THAT. 
          IF YOU'LL SEND IT ON ROADS IN OUR AREA. 
          MAYBE THEY LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M, I WOULD PACKAGE THAT FOR YOU. 
          SAME THING FOR KEN. 
          I MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT. 
          TROUBLE. 
          PARDON? WE'RE KIND OF IN TROUBLE. 
          CLIFF IN POINT FOR COUNTY MUCH COUNTY TAX. 
          I WHERE IS THAT TODAY? IS THAT IT'S SO SMALL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          PRECINCT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE HAVE SO MANY, THIS COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE SO MANY STATE HIGHWAYS. 
          IT'S TEXAS MAN. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE BOMBARDED WITH T STOP HIGHWAYS IN POINT. 
          THEY HAVE CONTROL ON ALL OVER. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE , SO GET READY. 
          YES SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS THE CONSENSUS AS WE MOVE ALONG WITH THIS, UH, AGENDA THIS MORNING IS, IS THAT WE, UH, MAYBE GET TOGETHER AND START TALKING, UH, AND THEN COME BACK WITH, UH, A COORDINATED PLAN AFTER WE GET SOME SORT OF COMMITTEE APPOINTED AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE DID. 
          WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOTTA MOVE FAIRLY RAPIDLY TO GET THE 22ND. 
          I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA WITH IT TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE AND THEN BRAINSTORM WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT. 
          AND IF ANY OF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN THAT POSITION, UM, JUST SUBMIT THAT TO THE COUNTY AND CERTAINLY THESE CITIES THAT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          LET VOTERS DECIDE. 
          THAT'S PERCENT HUNDRED PERCENT VOTER CHOICE. 
          NOTHING TO DO WITH US CHOICE. 
          THIS IS THE VOTERS. 
          NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IF YOU VOTED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND WHILE YOU GUYS ARE STILL HERE, I WANT YOU TO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I DOWN THE AGENDA TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, DISCUSS, UH, UPDATED KAUFMAN COUNTY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          UH, THIS IS THE OTHER, UH, A LOT OF THINGS ON THE AGENDA WHICH WE NEED TO DISCUSS. 
          UH, JAKE YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR CROSS ON THIS AND THEN KIND OF WHERE WE'RE WELL, THERE'S SUBDIVISION 2006, SO THEY'VE NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN. 
          SO THERE, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW. 
          BUT AS A COUNTY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO WITH THESE. 
          BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S THERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          SO WE NEED INPUT FROM THE CITIES AND EDC IS WHAT WE NEED TO UPDATE. 
          AND IF YOU WILL GO IN AND LOOK ONLINE AT OUR REGS AND SEE WHAT'S THERE THAT MAY, THAT DOESN'T EVEN APPLY ANYMORE OR DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. 
          UH, BECAUSE WHAT HELPS US, CERTAINLY WE WANT TO HELP THE CITIES AND IT MAY BE FINE THE WAY IT'S, LET ME LET GIVE YOU A LITTLE STORY ABOUT OUR SUBDIVISION RAISED BECAUSE I WAS HERE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE PASSED THIS, UH, ON, ON C COUNTY. 
          THESE REGULATIONS ARE FROM ROCKWELL COUNTY. 
          THEY ARE LAWYERED. 
          UH, SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO TO ROCKWELL COUNTY AND CHECK AND SEE IF THEY, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH THEIRS. 
          AND I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. 
          SURE. 
          BUT, UH, I'M SURE DID IT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT UH, IF WE WANT CITIES INVOLVED AND RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TAR. 
          UH, THEY'RE FIXING ATE SOME PROPERTY, BUT SO WE'RE KIND IN A TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OR THEY'RE GONNA DO IT. 
          UH, A SUBDIVISION, UH, OFF ONE. 
          IT'LL BE BY COUNTY ROAD, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ANN BY THE CITY OF I IN TO HAVE COVID JURISDICTION. 
          I THINK THE DA IS GONNA BE HERE WITH ME ON THAT ALSO. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE THING. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ON THE JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE, A LOT OF OUR CITIES HAVE IN LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY SO THAT WE SHIFT THAT JURISDICTION TO THEM SO THAT YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ARE CONTROLLING WITHIN THE ETJ. 
          UM, AND I THINK MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE ALL CURRENT AGREEMENTS AND THAT THEY'RE WORKING, YOU'RE HAVING ANY ISSUES WITH 'EM, JUST TO BE A GREAT TIME TO ALSO LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND THEN I THINK LOOKING AT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS, HOW FAR APART ARE WE, ARE OUR REGS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WAY DOWN THE LINE AND, AND WHAT TYPE OF, UM, CONDITIONS WE WANT OUR SUBDIVISIONS ARE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE SAME BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE COUNTIES HIGHER THAN WHAT THE CITY, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS WHERE THE CITY NEED TO BE INVOLVED, BUT I THINK YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT LAW. 
          WELL THE THING I, I MEAN I LIKE THE IDEA WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? 'CAUSE I WAS SIX. 
          YEAH, SIX. 
          YEAH, I LIKE THAT IN ROCKWELL. 
          BUT AS I HAVE TO THINK THAT ROCKWALL KIND OF AS A COUNTY PUTS ME IN MIND REALLY OF 40 WITH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TDOT AND THEY MAY HAVE BE COUNTED. 
          SO WE CAN LOOK AT ROCKWALL, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY PULL SOME OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE GROWING LIKE WE ARE STILL HAVE A LOT OF UNINCORPORATED AND SEE HOW THEY ARE. 
          AND I, I CAN'T COME TO THINK OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          GRAY WOULD BE A VERY GOOD, THEY HAVE ABOUT THE SAME POPULATION. 
          I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU SAY GRAY? YEAH, GRAYSON. 
          AND SO I'M THINKING ABOUT, 
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I MEAN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANY OF 'EM. 
          I DID LOOK AT THEIRS AND PRETTY GOOD GRAY. 
          YEAH, WELL I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          I I LIKE ROCK WALL, BUT I KIND OF THINK WELL THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, SMALLER POPULATION AND THEY'RE MORE CITY AND NOT AS RURAL. 
          I AIN'T EVEN TALK TO ROCKWALL UHHUH AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE EITHER BECAUSE THE CITY HAS JUST, JUST TAKEN OVER, EXPANDED THE COMPLETE FROM THE COUNTY. 
          YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S CITY NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S CITY. 
          AND SO THEY DON'T, BETWEEN THEM AND ROY CITY AND IT'S ALL ETJ CITY. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS, THERE'S NO COUNTY TJ HARDLY LEFT IN ROCKWELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S A GOOD STARTING PLACE AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER SHANE HAS MARRIED ROCK WALL, BUT WE NEED TO KIND AROUND LOOK AT ONE THAT'S REALLY OUR SIZE. 
          I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT WITH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF DECENT CITIES. 
          AND, AND THE REASON I WANTED YOU GUYS AND EVERYBODY FOR THAT MATTER BE HERE DISCUSSION. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE BEGINNING TO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT OUR COUNTY TO EXPAND, YOU KNOW, BUILDING. 
          AND UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION, UH, OVER OUTSIDE OF CRANDALL, UH, THAT I'VE HAD A CALL FROM SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT CODY. 
          I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF. 
          UH, VERY, YEAH. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S A PRETTY BAD, BAD DEAL. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE THING WE HAD JIMMY NORTH OF PR ON 1 48 WHERE THIS GUY JUST WENT OUT THERE AND SANGER SAN OH REALLY? AND THERE'S RUNNING RAW SUIT ON THE GROUND. 
          UH, I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A BAD DEAL. 
          AND UH, SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT ABOUT. 
          BUT UH, IT'S GETTING INTO THE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE 3,200 POPULATION, WE CAN'T GO OUT AND JUST ADD IT. 
          AND SO AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY VALUES AROUND US, CAN'T. 
          AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL'S HANDS ARE TIED. 
          OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THERE AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. 
          AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, I'VE BEEN, I UNDERSTAND IT IS, IS THAT THIS AREA IS PLANTED, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT OUT OUR PUBLIC WORK DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON THAT TO SEE IF IT'S FLATTED, IF WE CAN, UH, SHUT 'EM DOWN OR DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO. 
          BUT IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH, UH, UH, ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, SO SAFETY ISSUES, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, I ONLY DO ABOUT THREE THINGS, DON'T THEY? THEY WE'RE VERY LIMITED QUALITY OF THE ROAD AND WIDTH, I GUESS. 
          SO THE STREETS AND THEN MINIMUM SIZE LOT AND THEN SEWERAGE. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY DO? CULVERS? WELL, AND THE SETBACK. 
          SETBACK, OKAY. 
          WE DO HAVE SETBACK FROM THE FRONT ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          AND NOW THE DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE 'EM DO A, A TOTAL MAP AND MAKE 'EM DO LOCK LINE DRAINAGE WHERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY EVER DID THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE, GO AHEAD SIR. 
          WELL, ONE THING I FIND INTERESTING WHILE WE'RE ONLY A SUBJECT IS, YOU KNOW, OUT ON SUNSET THAT THE, THE PROPERTY AT THE VERY END THAT NEARLY FLOODED THEIR BUSIEST, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS GYMNASTIC BUSINESS ON THE END, WELL IT IN KAUFMAN'S ETJ AND YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THE PLATTING FOR THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT BOUGHT SEVERAL LOTS, HE WANTED TO REPL AND THEN DISCOVERED THAT KAUFMAN HAS AUTHORITY OVER THAT WITH INTERLOCAL. 
          YEAH. 
          OVER PLATTING OR RE PLATTING IN THEIR ETJ. 
          HOWEVER, THE ROAD IS STILL MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAINED AS A COUNTY ROAD. 
          AND NOW THERE'S A BUSINESS AT THE END OF IT. 
          AND THE RESIDENTS TELL ME THAT EVEN ON SUNDAY, AS MANY AS 50 OR 60 CARS A DAY GO TO THAT BUSINESS AND THAT'S A DEAL. 
          NO, IT'S A, IT IS A GYM GYMNASTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY'S IN CONTROL OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA, BUT YET I HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO A BUSINESS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE OUGHT BE SOME MECHANISM TO ADDRESS THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE CITY BE IN CHARGE OF THAT BUSINESS AND IT MAY, CITIES CANNOT REGULATE BUSINESSES IN THE E TJ ONLY SUBDIVISION AND YOU CAN'T REGULATE THEM MEETING CAN'T I HAVE NEARLY THE SAME THING OUT THERE ON 7 41 WITH D AND THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE NOT TAKING IT, I GUESS THE CITY WHERE MINE THEY WERE, I'M SURE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM AND IT, IF THEY'RE GONNA, IF THEY'RE GONNA CONTROL DEVELOPMENT OF IT AND 
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YOU KNOW, THAT WAY IF THEY ANNEXED IT THEN THEY COULD CONTROL THE BUSINESS. 
          UM, BUT AS IT IS, WE'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD FOR, FOR THIS HUGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT HAS NEVER BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THAT'S ALL IT IS. 
          IT'S A SUBDIVISION NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, SO YOU'RE GONNA HATE THIS JUDGE, BUT I THINK IT'S ANOTHER COMMITTEE ITEM TO PLACE. 
          BUT IT MAY ACTUALLY BE SUBCOMMITTEES WITHIN, UM, EACH PRECINCT FOR SO THAT EACH UH, CITY CAN SUBMIT MAYBE WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AND THEN DO A COMPARISON STUDY AND THEN HAVE EACH OF THOSE COMMITTEES PRESENT TO LIKE A FINAL COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING BASED ON THE NEEDS OF EACH PRECINCT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAY YOU CAN GET REPRESENTATION FROM EACH OF YOUR CITIES SMALL AND LARGE. 
          WELL I THINK THE PEOPLE WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE WEARING Y'ALL OUT ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU MAY NEED TO PUT SOME, UH, CONTRACTORS, BUILDERS, AND THEN EVEN YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE OTHER THING THAT GOING ON AS, AS PEOPLE TO MOVE TO THE COUNTY, MOVE TO THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, THEY GO OUT AND BUY FIVE ACRES OR 10 ACRES OR 20 ACRES OR WHATEVER AND UH, THEY LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VERY LITTLE REGULATIONS OVER IT UNTIL SOMEBODY MOVES NEXT, NEXT A 500 HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT $20,000 BURNED OUT MOBILE HOME ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT'S JUST NOT OUR COUNTY. 
          I MEAN THAT'S NO THAT ONE EXAMPLE IN THE WORLD PROBABLY HARRIS COUNTY, YOU KNOW, HOUSTON. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THEIR BIG PROBLEM. 
          SO MANY PEOPLE MOVED OUT INTO THE COUNTY AND HAD BIG HOMES. 
          THE NEXT THING KNEW THEY HAD A FELLOW STATION NEXT DOOR. 
          YEAH, NO. 
          AND IT WENT ON FOR YEARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY FINALLY DID. 
          THEY ACTUALLY GOT SPACE LEGISLATION FOR HARRIS COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT HOUSTON, HOUSTON STILL HAS NO IT'S HIGHEST ISSUES. 
          THEY DO HAVE SOME ISSUES, WHICH THEY DO HIGHEST BEST USE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          IT'S CATCHES IT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF WEIRD DRIVE. 
          YOU'LL SEE ALL KINDS OF BACKING STUFF FRONT. 
          WELL YOU, HEY, SOON SOMEBODY WILL BUY IT OUT AND GET RID OF IT. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE AS, AS WE MOVE DOWN THE AGENDA. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ABOUT THIS? THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. 
          I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO TALK, SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY ROADS. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUSINESSES ON FOR THE COUNTY ROAD AND THEY COME FIX THEIR ROADS AND THEY CAN STAY IN BUSINESS AND THEN WE HAVE THEM ON THE TAX ROAD. 
          AND THAT'S ISSUES WE REALLY GOTTA, UH, GET, UH, REVIEWED AND WORKED ON HERE IN THE COUNTY. 
          UH, EVERYBODY LIKES TO MOVE OUT THE BIG CITY. 
          WELL, THEY MOVE OUT THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REGULATED AND, AND THEN THEY COME OUT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UP HERE WILL ALSO COME INTO EFFECT AND THESE PEOPLE WILL START PUTTING SOME TAX IN PUT INTO CONTROLLER IN OUR COPPER. 
          WELL, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, AREAS WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND BUY SOME PROPERTY IN THE RURAL AREA THAT'S BEEN ON AG USE, HAS THE AG USAGE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN START, DEVELOP BUSINESS OR UH, WHATEVER THEY DO AND IT'S NO LONGER AG USED. 
          AND IF WE DON'T REPORT IT, OUR APPRAISAL DISTRICT DOESN'T PICK IT UP, WELL THEN THEY GET BY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PAYING, UH, THE BACK TAXES OR THE TAXES THAT, THAT THEY SHOULD PAY. 
          AND, BUT ANYTIME WE HAVE A NEW BUSINESS GOING UP, I THINK IT CAN COME ON US TO TELL THE APPRAISED DISTRICT JUST IN CASE THEY DON'T PICK IT UP, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS, AS, UH, AREAS THAT ARE CONVERTED, UH, FROM, UH,  TO WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING NOW. 
          AND WE HAVE THAT ALL OVER THE COUNTY. 
          JUDGE IF I MAY COMMENT ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          UM, WORKING IN HAYES COUNTY NEXT TO AUSTIN, WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE BECAUSE HAYES COUNTY WAS RURAL. 
          IT'S NOT RURAL ANYMORE, IT'S 15 MILES FROM AUSTIN. 
          I MEAN, IT'S GROWING LIKE CRAZY AND THE SAME ISSUES COMING UP ON COUNTY REGULATIONS AND SUBDIVISIONS AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT IT'S INCUMBENT UPON STATE GOVERNMENT TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          THEY'VE GOTTA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS COUNTIES TRANSITION FROM RURAL TO MORE URBAN, ESPECIALLY ONES NEXT TO AN MSA, SUCH AS DALLAS, THEY HAVE TO GIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT MORE POWER TO REGULATE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE LAND LOBBY IN TEXAS IS HUGE AS WE ALL KNOW. 
          THE LAND LOBBY IS BIG TIME STUFF. 
          RANCHERS AND FARM, THEY DON'T WANT THAT. 
          THEY DON'T WANT YOU REGULATING THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT AND REGULATING SOMEBODY'S RANCH. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS AND THINGS. 
          SO THERE HAS TO BE THAT DELINEATION. 
          BUT MAN, THAT'S A TOUCHY SUBJECT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE'S GONNA TACKLE THAT. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE 'EM DIVING INTO THAT ONE AND DOING SOMETHING FOR COUNTIES SUCH AS HOFFMAN SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO DALLAS. 
          OR THE QUESTION IS THE FLOOD PEOPLE, WHAT CONSTITUTES THE SUBDIVISION? YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE DEFINITION. 
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SOMEONE'S GONNA MAKE IT UP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT? WE'VE GOT, LET'S GO BACK UP TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED. 
          APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THE WORK. 
          ALL. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE IS TO DISCUSS AND IMPLEMENT DRAFTING A NEW CODE. 
          POLICY POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, CALLING ABOUT THE AND SUCH. 
          AND SO WE'VE DONE THE, GO TO THE SOUTH CAMPUS. 
          WE HAVE A TERRIBLE TIME FINDING THE SOUTH CAMPUS ANYWAY. 
          SO THEY GO THERE AND THEY GIVE, GET A PIECE OF PAPER, THEN THEY CALL US. 
          UH, AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE COMMISSIONER IS AND WHO TO CALL OR WHAT THE LENGTH IS BECAUSE IN WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU, SO I TALKED TO, TO RANDY, HE SAYS, WELL, THEY JUST GIVE HIM A PIECE OF PAPER, THEY BRING IT BACK OR GIVE THEM A CHECK, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO HAUL THE CHECK UP HERE TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. 
          AND THEN THEY CALL OUR, UH, FOREMAN. 
          THEY GO OUT AND LOOK INSPECTION, CHECK SIZE AND CHECK WORTH AND EVERYTHING. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S AN EASIER WAY SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN I, I'M COMING IN NUMBER, WHAT I, I GUESS IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED UNDER RANDY, BUT IT'S JUST A TERRIBLE LOCATION. 
          IT WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY SIMPLE LOCATION FOR PEOPLE TO FIND. 
          WE COULD WALK IN, UH, GET A PIECE OF PAPER. 
          ALL FOUR COMMISSIONER'S NAMES ARE ON HERE, BUT PHONE NUMBERS, , THEY COULD CALL. 
          THEN IT'S OUT THERE. 
          THEY DON'T, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. 
          UH, AND THE PEOPLE HAVE GOTTA LOOK IT UP. 
          THEN THEY'VE GOTTA TAKE SOMEONE FROM MARIAL HALL, THE CHECK UP HERE, WHICH TAKES TIME OUT FOR SOMEBODY TO RUN, RUN UP HERE. 
          I WOULD JUST, IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU REDO THIS FOR, BUT THE COMMISSIONERS ON HERE, IF IT, IF THE CHECK'S GONNA END UP IT, IT'S YOUR OFFICE. 
          RIGHT? IF THEY JUST, HEY, GO TO THE ANNEX, GO TO TRADE'S OFFICE AND LET THE SECRETARY HAND YOU THIS PIECE OF PAPER. 
          EVERYTHING'S ON HERE, SHE'S GONNA GET THE CHECK ANYWAY. 
          AND THAT SAVES THE STEP AND KEEPS THOSE PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING OUT THERE. 
          NOW, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO RONNIE ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT HE'S STAFF WOULD LIKES TO DO OR WILLING TO DO, BUT IT'LL JUST SAVE A STEP IN THE PROCESS. 
          MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT. 
          FOLKS, HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD IT IMPACT HIS OFFICE? HOW MANY YOU TALKED ABOUT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          THREE, FOUR MONTHS FROM MY, MY PRECINCT. 
          THREE OR FOUR. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          HOW MANY TS DO Y'ALL GO TO GET A MONTH? IT VARIES, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA SAY PROBABLY MAXIMUM OF 10 A MONTH. 
          10 OR 12 A MONTH. 
          I MEAN, YOU COULD FIVE ABOUT ONE A DAY. 
          WELL, LET ME BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THIS BEFORE WE CHANGED SOME ISSUES UP OUT HERE AT THE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THEY JUST WANTED, WE TOOK CARE OF THIS AT OUR OFFICE. 
          THEY COME, THEY NEEDED TO COME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AND PICK UP THEIR CUL PERMIT. 
          THEY BROUGHT US A CHECK. 
          THEY DIDN'T WANT US TAKING CHECKS ANYMORE THAN OUR, AT OUR OFFICES. 
          BUT JUST AS SOON AS WE GOT A CHECK, THAT CHECK COMES OVER HERE TO THE RECRUITER'S OFFICE. 
          AND, AND THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF BY US. 
          IT FREED UP THE PEOPLE DOWN HERE AT PUBLIC WORK TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND SO AS SOON AS THEY GOT A 9 1 1 ADDRESS, WE WAS NOTIFIED THAT THESE PEOPLE RECEIVED 9 1 11 ADDRESS AT MY OFFICE. 
          SO WE KNEW THEY WAS COMING TO GET A PERMIT. 
          AND IT, AND IT HELPED TO, AND, AND IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A DUTY FOR OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANCE TO GO BACK TO DOING THIS AND US BRING THE CHECKS BACK TO RONNIE. 
          I KNOW THEY . 
          THAT'LL BE OKAY WITH ME. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY DON'T LIKE US TAKING MONEY, BUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          WE'RE RESPONSIBLE. 
          WE'RE BONDED. 
          WE'RE GOING YOU'RE NOT TAKING CASH, YOU'RE TAKING NO, WHATEVER THEY BRING, IF THEY US CASE, WE BRING THE CASH AND WE WRITE WHO MADE IT, CONFIRM IT'D BE SOME TYPE OF RECEIPT. 
          CASH. 
          IF IT'S CASH, WE SEND A COPY IN THE CALL FOR, I THINK EVERY ONE OF US HAS INTERLOCAL DELIVERY EVERY DAY. 
          SEND TO THE'S OFFICE. 
          WHEN YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T LIKE TO TAKE MONEY, THAT WAS JUST A DECISION THAT Y ALL MADE. 
          YEAH, THAT, THAT COME ABOUT BETWEEN THE TIME I WAS OUT AND I COME BACK. 
          SO I DUNNO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT YOU'RE BONDED. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK. 
          I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DOWNFALL? YEAH, THE REASON THE EASIEST IS THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THEY'VE COME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AND, AND PICK 
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UP THEIR . 
          IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY STREAMLINED METHOD TO ME. 
          DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. 
          IT'S COMING FROM THE WAY IT'S THING. 
          BE  ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT WE TAKE IN OR SOMETHING, OR ONE LIKE THE OLD LIBRARY BUILDING OVER HERE. 
          SOMETHING MAKE A PERMIT DEPARTMENT OR JUST ALL PERMIT. 
          ALL PERMIT AND NO MATTER WHAT THE PERMIT IS, GO THERE AND GET THE PAPERS FOR, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          OR YOU PUT IT IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          WELL, HER, SHE SAID WHAT? MAYBE WE CAN GO BACK, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GO BACK AND I GUESS STARTS WE GET A 9 1 1 ADDRESS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE PROCESS. 
          WE GOTTA GET THAT 9 1 1 ADDRESS. 
          I THINK REBECCA'S ALREADY STARTED ON THAT FORM A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK, I THINK IF YOU HAD THAT ON THE, THEY COULD DO THE 9 1 1 ADDRESS ON THE, WHETHER IT BE THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, THE PERMIT OFFICE ON THE SQUARE WOULD BE GOOD. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THEN THEY COME AND ALL, EVERYTHING'S IN THE SAME PROPERTY. 
          YOU GOT A BETTER FORM, I THINK ON THAT. 
          WE, WE ALSO NEED A POLICY IN WRITING AND AN ORDER. 
          THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST THE, UH, PERMIT. 
          AND THEN I JUST DID THE PERMIT AS AN AMENDMENT, UH, EXHIBIT IN THE BACK. 
          AND, AND IF YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE ANY EDITS TO IT, I MEAN, OF COURSE YOU ALL KNOW THE ROAD REQUIREMENTS MORE THAN I DO AND KNOW HOW MUCH DISTANCE YOU NEED FOR EVERYTHING. 
          SO MAYBE JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEN PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK AND THEN I CAN EDIT AND ONCE SHE ADDS IT, WE CAN PUT IT Y'ALL ON THE, UH, OUR REGULAR AGENDA AND VOTE ON THAT CHANGE. 
          AND WE NEED TO ALSO DO, UH, A POLICY, I THINK WHAT GREG IS, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE AN ORDER COMING FROM THIS COURT ABOUT THE POLICY. 
          IF THAT IS, THE POLICY WOULD BE THAT IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN THAT CHECK TO BE IMMEDIATELY RECEDED AND PUT IN THE POLICY, YOU KNOW, 24 HOURS, 48. 
          SO THAT IF IT'S NOT THAT PERSON HAS A RECOURSE, BUT UNDERSTAND THE POLICY WE MAKE PEOPLE GONNA LOOK AT 'EM AND USE THEM. 
          IF THEY DON'T, SOMETHING HAPPENS. 
          AND SO YOU MAKE SURE THE POLICY THAT WORKS, BUT IT'S FLEXIBLE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED A COMMITTEE FOR THAT. 
          I THINK WE CAN JUST GIVE US SOME IDEAS AND WE CAN KIND OF DRAFT UP SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS AND THEN SUBMIT AN ORDER. 
          BUT WE WERE AHEAD Y'ALL ON THAT, THAT I'M GOING GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH AND SEE IF THIS ACTUALLY WAS A COURT ORDER OR WHERE IT CAME FROM. 
          IT, IT WAS A COURT ORDER AND I THINK I HAVE A COPY OF IT IN HERE. 
          YEAH, SHE LOOKED AT IT AND WHAT THE REASONING WAS. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S EXISTED SINCE THE LATE NINETIES IN VARIOUS UH, WAYS. 
          I THINK HE'S SPECIFICALLY SAYING IS WHAT WOULD BE THE RATIONALE THAT IT WAS THAT WAY AT ONE POINT AND IT CHANGED AND PEOPLE WERE GOING BACK. 
          OH, AS FAR AS THE ADMIN PROCEDURE? YEAH. 
          WHY DID IT CHANGE OR SOMETHING? YEAH, THE 9 1 1 HAD LOT TO DO WITH, BECAUSE THEY HAD NINE. 
          ONE DIDN'T KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE MINE, MY NUMBER USED TO BE 13TH AND, AND NOW IT'S, WELL, 1, 9 9, YOU KNOW, THEY COULDN'T HAVE A SINGLE DIGIT OR A DOUBLE DIGIT NUMBER WITH HAD TWO ROADS. 
          SO THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME WAY TO IDENTIFY WHERE YOU WERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTED, I THINK. 
          BUT ANY RATE, THIS IS A POLICY. 
          REBECCA, THIS IS A PROPOSED POLICY. 
          THAT'S A, YEAH. 
          AND, AND IT'S REALLY JUST TO LAY OUT WHERE THE LAW, UM, GIVES THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THE AUTHORITY TO, UM, ORDER THAT SOMEONE GIVE THE CORPORATE PERMIT. 
          WHY DON'T WE, UH, LOOK THIS OVER AND GET WITH, UH, UH, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR SOMETHING. 
          AND THEN JASON, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, FOLLOW UP. 
          WHY DON'T YOU BE THE ONE THAT AFTER EVERYBODY LOOKED AT IT, PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU DON'T MIND AFTER IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES. 
          I, YEAH, I'LL SEE ONE CHANGE THE SECOND PAGE, THE TOP ITEM, THE MINIMUM LENGTH. 
          20. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT BE SHARP TO 30. 
          SEE, THAT'S WHY WE KNOW Y'ALL MORE. 
          YOU MIND SENDING THAT IN AN EMAIL? THAT WAY I CAN COLLECT THEM ALL. 
          PULL IN WHEN A TRAILER DO 20 FEET TO RUN OVER. 
          THAT'S GOOD FOR Y'ALL TO TELL US. 
          LIKE ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEY SAME 20 FOOT COMMERCIAL. 
          WE DON'T, WE MAKE THEM DO 40. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          Y'ALL TWEAK IT AND THEN WE JUST WANTED TO GET IT TO YOU. 
          SO AGENDA GOOD WHENEVER YOU, EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO HAVE THEIR WAIT. 
          WE DO. 
          MARK, I I GOT ONE QUESTION WHILE WE'RE ON THE, THE CULVERT, UH, ISSUE. 
          UM, IN OUR OLD NUISANCE ABATEMENT POLICY, I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ON THERE. 
          REGULATION. 
          THE CULVERT. 
          THE CULVERTS. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING, WE, WE HAD A, UH, A PROPOSED 
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NUISANCE ABATEMENT THAT WE DID NOT PASS. 
          AND THERE IS A PARAGRAPH IN THERE THAT PERTAINED TO, UH, CULVERTS AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD PUT THAT PARAGRAPH INTO OUR CULVERT POLICY SO THAT, THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS CAN, CAN ACTUALLY BE THE ADMINISTRATOR OF, OF FINDING PEOPLE THAT PUT IN ILLEGAL CUL. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IN THE CULVERT POLICY? PUTS A LOOK AT THAT. 
          I DON'T, WELL, I THINK YOU, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF LABOR THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF REGULATION AND ENFORCEMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR, THE ENFORCEMENT POWER ON THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA PUT THAT LANGUAGE AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE IT. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF OUR ISSUES THAT, I MEAN, WE CAN DEMAND THAT THEY BUY A CULVERT PERMIT, BUT IF WE HAVE NO ENFORCEMENT, THAT'S WHAT'S THE USE? I MEAN, I AGREE, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, REBECCA, WHEN YOU SEND IT OVER AND THAT WILL BE A REMINDER? YEAH, IT WILL SEND THAT IN THAT EMAIL, THAT SAME LANGUAGE. 
          JUST TYPE IT OR, OR REFERENCE IT OR JUST, AND SHE'LL PUT IT IN A FOLDER AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT. 
          BUT LET JUST WANT MORE BREAK. 
          DO YOU MIND IF I JUST MAKE A COPY? SURE. 
          AND THEN I'LL HOLD ONTO IT THAT WAY. 
          I DON'T OKAY. 
          I TYPE OF YOU DON'T NEED YEAH. 
          PAPERWORK, BUT THAT'S, I NEED SOMETHING Y'ALL CAN CHECK OUT THROUGH WE THE TEETH PUTS THE TEETH IN. 
          THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS IF THERE IS NOT, IF THE CULVERT'S NOT INSTALLED OR IF ONE IS INSTALLED WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS, THEN YOU GUYS WILL HELP TAKE THE WAY HE WOULD BE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT AND THEN ASSESS THAT CHARGE ONTO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT WAY TO ENFORCE IT THAN THAT? NO, WE, WE, WE NEED, I CAN'T GO OUT AND GIVE THEM A TICKET, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          ONLY THING I CAN UP. 
          SO YOU ACTUALLY WANNA CITE THEM IF, IF THEY REFUSE TO ABIDE BY THEIR POLICY, WE NEED SOME METHOD OF ENFORCE. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S HE RUNNING PUBLIC. 
          ONLY THING I CAN DO IS KEEP DIGGING IT UP. 
          I'M GIVE 'EM A TICKET. 
          OR ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS. 
          I THINK UNDER THE NEW POLICY, I THINK I PUT AN ASSESSMENT. 
          THERE MIGHT BE AN ASSESSMENT POLICY IN THERE, YEAH'S TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE DETERRENT. 
          BUT IF YOU WANT, WELL, AN ASSESSMENT IS ALSO THE SAME LANGUAGE DEFINED. 
          IF WE'VE GOT IN OUR POLICY THAT WE CAN ASSESS, THAT'S THE SAME AS IN FINDING HOW WE ENFORCE IT. 
          IF THEY DON'T PAY WELL THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER IS GETTING TO. 
          ULTIMATELY, IF WE ASSESS AND THEY DON'T PAY, THEN WHAT IS YOUR ENFORCEMENT, HOW DO YOU TAKE THAT? I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I HAVE, AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT, AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          BUT THAT WOULD GET IT OVER THERE TO ANOTHER, UH, PUBLIC WORKS THAT WE GIVE TO A POLICE AGENCY TO, WE'RE NOT A POLICE. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S, BUT UH, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE, THE, UH, EXHIBIT IS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS KAUFMAN COUNTY MAY UNDERTAKE ACTIONS DEEMED NECESSARY TO CORRECT DRAINAGE OR SAFETY PROBLEMS RELATED TO EXISTING OR NEW DRIVEWAY FACILITIES UP TO AND INCLUDING THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          IF, IF SUCH REMOVAL IS, UH, RESULT OF NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THIS PERMIT, LABOR WILL BE CHARGED TO THE GUARANTEE AT A RATE OF $200 PER HOUR. 
          SO WE DO HAVE SOMETHING HERE IN OUR EXISTENCE WHERE WE, YEAH. 
          WE CAN ONLY CHARGE 'EM UNTIL WE MOVED IT. 
          BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO KEEP THEM FROM THERE. 
          YOU WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU WENT OUT THERE AND DID IT FOR A COUPLE HOURS IN YOUR POCKET, $400 A DAY, THEY WELL HAVE TO DO IS WITH THE, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS, YOUR QUESTION IS, DOES PUBLIC WORKS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT? THAT'S ALL YOU'RE ASKING. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND IF, IF, IF IT DOES, YOU CAN PUT IT, IF IT DOESN'T, AND I DON'T KNOW OFF IF IT DOESN'T, WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT. 
          MAKE SURE THEY DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND HOW, IF POSSIBLE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT, THOSE AREN'T BAD IDEAS, BUT IN THE INTERIM, WE'VE GOT THIS. 
          BUT AS WE'RE DRAFTING THIS, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND WE'LL GET BACK WITH Y'ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL SEND EMAILS IN SO THAT, THAT THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE. 
          OR SHE'LL LET YOU KNOW IT'S LEGAL. 
          IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY MORE COMPLICATED. 
          'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ASKING DO THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY, AUTHORITY TO CITE AND THEN ACTUALLY ABATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO THAT ABATEMENT. 
          SO WHEN YOU GUYS, THAT WOULD BE OUR, SO THEY CITE AND THEN TRANSFER IT TO YOU GUYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SEE, THAT'S, AND HE'S THINKING JUST FROM HIS EXPERIENCE, I THINK THAT WHEN THEY GO OUT THERE AND DO THE CITATIONS, IT'S MORE POWERFUL. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEN YOU SEPARATE A CHECK AND BALANCE, AND THEN YOU HAVE LITTLE CHECK AND BALANCE, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND THEN DO THE, IF THEY DON'T REMOVE IT, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND ASSESS THE CHARGE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I HAD, I HAD TO SORT THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT 
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I, I, I KIND OF GOT IT BECAUSE I LIKE THAT BECAUSE FOR THE PERSON THAT'S DOING THE VIOLATING, THAT'S COUPLE PEOPLE IN HAND. 
          AND NOT ALL RESPONSIBILITY'S NOT ON YOU, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT ON PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AND WE KNOW FROM SOME OTHER PROJECTS, REBECCA, THEY'RE, THEY ARE, THEY JUST NEED BETTER REGULATIONS ABOUT US BEING IN INSTRUCTIVE ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA GET THINGS DONE. 
          YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW, SOME ISSUES WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT GIVES THEM THAT INFORMATION ON THAT ISSUE. 
          I THINK THAT'S MIGHT BE HELPFUL WITH THAT. 
          IF, IF WE DO THAT, DOES WOULD IT HAVE TO BE PUBLIC WORKS LAW ENFORCEMENT COME TO IT? OR COULD WE HAVE THE CONSTABLE THIS ROUTE? WE CAN'T LISTEN. 
          REALLY. 
          I MEAN, HE'S NOT, OH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, Y'ALL BE, NO, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WOULDN'T INVOLVE THE CONSTABLES IN THAT. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC WORK SAFETY ISSUE. 
          WELL, NO, BUT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT SINCE IT'S IN THE ROAD BRIDGE AND WE FIND IT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T DO THAT WAY. 
          I HAVE ONE STREAMLINED POLICY. 
          I USE IT ALL THE WAYS ALL THE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          PEOPLE, THAT WORD OF MOUTH, IT'S LIKE, IF THEY'RE OUT HERE, IT'S A, THIS ISSUE. 
          CONSTABLE'S COMING, HE'S SERVING PAPERS OR HE'S OUT THERE DOING SOMETHING, STEP FARTHER AND HAVE THE CONSTABLE TO ACTUALLY DIG IT UP. 
           WE'LL PROVIDE BLUE SHOULDER. 
          YOU PUT ME IN A BACKHOE, I'LL DIG IT UP. 
          AND ANYTHING ELSE, ANYWHERE CLOSE. 
          THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT GONNA BE HELD LIABLE FOR OUGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS EVERYBODY, UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          THAT DOES NOT GET CLEAN TO US. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT ADDITION. 
          I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER ALLEN'S THOUGHT WHATEVER THE TREASURER'S OFFICE NEEDS TO DO, COMMISSIONER ALLEN WILL DO. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AGAIN, JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          MAKE IT, IT'S NOT EASY FOR THE CITIZENS. 
          WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT. 
          NOT DUPLICATE, NOT DUPLICATE IT ALL. 
          ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY IDEAS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT MEMORIAL AT COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, UH, AND AT THE KAMAN COUNTY COURTHOUSE. 
          I, I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MEMORIAL, UH, THAT HAS ALREADY HAD THE CONCRETE POURED, UH, AT THE JAIL. 
          AND, UH, IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE NEED TO, UH, TAKE, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE, WE, WE'VE GOTTA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? AND, UH, ALSO, I PUT THE, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY COURTHOUSE, AND HERE'S, HERE'S WHY. 
          I I, HERE'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, THE CONCRETE SLAB AND SIDEWALK . 
          IT HAS NOT OFFICIALLY BEEN DONATED TO COUNTY YET. 
          WE'VE NOT ACCEPTED THAT SLAB YET. 
          UH, BUT IT IS THERE. 
          AND, UH, UH, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO IS APPOINT A COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS, UH, MAYBE ONE FROM EACH PRECINCT, UH, TO HELP MOVE THAT PROJECT FORWARD. 
          UH, THE COURT WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO APPROVE WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION IS FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          UH, NOT ONLY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND WHOEVER THAT INCLUDES, WHATEVER, UH, UH, IF IT'S, UH, OFFICERS THAT LINE, OR OFFICERS THAT DIED WHILE THEY WERE, UH, WORKING AS A MEMBER OF THE, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR MAYBE, UH, EVEN CITY OFFICERS THAT DIED MAYBE WERE SLANG WHILE THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON DUTY IN THE COUNTY SOMEPLACE. 
          UH, LET THE COMMITTEE COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT, AND THEN ALSO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF MEMORIAL, UH, HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE FOR, UH, MARK EY AND MIKE AND CYNTHIA MCCLELLAN. 
          UH, THE CAVEAT ON THAT ONE IS, IS WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T, UH, STEP ON THE TOES OF OUR COFFMAN COUNTY, NOT COUNTY, BUT THE HISTORICAL STATION THAT WE DON'T GET THEM, YOU KNOW, UPSET ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, AND WHAT I ACTUALLY DID, RAY RAYMOND, WHO WAS, UH, HE AND SEVERAL OTHER FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER THE MEMORIAL OUT HERE FOR THE VETERANS PARK RAY, I THINK, AND MAYBE OTHERS WERE PART OF THAT, DID A REAL GOOD JOB. 
          UH, RAY HAS, UH, I SAID SOMETHING TO HIM IF THE COURT DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, AND HE SAID HE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY HE COULD TO HELP CHAIR THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND, UH, THEN EACH COMMISSIONER COULD DONATE OR NOT DONATE, BUT EACH COMMISSIONER COULD NAME A PERSON FROM YOUR PRECINCT TO HELP DO THAT. 
          THEN COME BACK AND PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP, TALK THROUGH IT, AND THEN, UH, GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT MEMORIAL. 
          THAT'S REASON I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO CONTACT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION TO SEE IF THERE'S 
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ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A EXERCISE THERE. 
          I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I DUNNO. 
          AS LONG AS WE DON'T CHANGE THE INTERIOR OF THE COURTHOUSE OR THE BUILDING IN ANY WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'D HAVE AN OBJECTION, BUT CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ANOTHER ADVERSARIAL. 
          NO, NO, NOT, NO. 
          UH, SO WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, I, I'M ON, I DON'T MEAN THIS DISRESPECT ANYBODY DYING, BUT, BUT I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN MEMORIAL FOR LINE OF DUTY POLICE OFFICER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T DUNNO HOW YOU HAVE A MEMORIAL OR THE JUST PASSED AWAY. 
          I, I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          I I THIS IS BEING DISRESPECTFUL. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING DO THAT AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON COUNTY PROPERTY COUNTY, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S  DUTY OFFICER. 
          UH, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INCLUDE MARK AND, AND MIKE. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          MARK. 
          HUH? DEFINITELY. 
          MARK. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MIKE. 
          MARK WAS THE PEACE OFFICER. 
          MIKE, WHAT? YEAH, BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO GO THAT FAR IN THE STRETCH TO GET MIKE, BUT I MEAN, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I EVEN REACHED OUT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT POLICE OFFICERS AND DALLAS AND A COUPLE OTHER ASSOCIATIONS AND EVEN ASKED JASON. 
          AND, UH, IT WAS, UH, TO ME, EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS THAT PAGE. 
          UH, I THINK JASON, YOU MIGHT WANNA COMMENT ON IT, UM, TOO. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON IT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY ME, I'VE LOST TWO OF MY VERY CLOSE FRIENDS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE LINE OF DUTY, UH, DEPUTY FARLEY, WHICH WAS KILLED HERE IN KAUFMAN, UH, AND LYNN HEATHMAN, WHICH PASSED AWAY IN CANCER. 
          UH, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN THE THIN BLUE LINE, UH, AND IN THE LINE OF DUTY, DEATH MEANS EXACT FOR THAT. 
          AND YOUR END OF WATCH, YOU DID NOT GO HOME THAT DAY. 
          YOU DID NOT SEE YOUR FAMILY THAT DAY. 
          YOUR WATCH ENDED IN UNIFORM THAT DAY. 
          UM, PRIME EXAMPLE, LIKE, UH, UH, MARK, MARK WAS A, A, A PEACE OFFICER, IS HE ENDED IN THAT PARKING LOT. 
          BY ALL MEANS. 
          HE DESERVES TO BE ON THAT WALL FOR US TO REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE HE DID HIS DUTY AND HIS DUE DILIGENCE FOR THIS COUNTRY, THIS COUNTY, AND FOR ALL OF US. 
          UM, AND JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          YOU KNOW, BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY I, I, I'M DEEPLY SORRY FOR THE DEATH OF ANYBODY THAT HAPPENED ON PEACE OFFICERS THAT ARE NOT ON DUTY AT THE TIME, UM, BECAUSE IT SADDENS ALL OF US. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT MEANS IN LINE OF DUTY, IT MEANS THAT YOU DID NOT MAKE IT HOME THAT DAY. 
          AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER THEM AND THEM ONLY IF WE DON'T DO THAT, AND WE ALLOW ANYBODY TO GO ON THAT MEMORIAL. 
          YOU HAVE OPENED PANDORA'S BOX AND EVERYBODY THINKS THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND PUT THEIR NAME ON THAT MEMORIAL AND YOU'LL LOSE THE, IN DEPTHNESS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT THAT OFFICER DID THAT DAY AND HOW THEY LOST THEIR LIFE AND, AND, AND JUST AS A INTERLOPER ON GOING TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHEN WE HAVE THOSE SERVICES IN MAY WHEN HE, YOU KNOW, HE IS EXPLAINING FOR LAY PEOPLE. 
          I WAS, AND NOW I'M FROM THE DA, BUT I DIDN'T GET IT. 
          THAT IS WHAT IT, IT IS, IT'S THE END OF WATCH. 
          AND, UH, IN, IN A WAY WE DON'T MEAN TO BY HONORING EVERYBODY THAT WAS A POLICE OFFICER PASSED IS A, IS A WONDERFUL MEMORIAL, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE AT ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          UM, BUT I, AND AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO RECOGNIZE 'EM. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M A PART OF THE HONOR GUARD SOCIETY THROUGHOUT THE DALLAS COUNTY METROPLEX, I'M STILL A PART OF IT NOW. 
          I'VE BEEN TO HUNDREDS OF FUNERALS, WHICH I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT. 
          UH, FOLDING FLAGS AND GIVING THE FLAGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO RECOGNIZE THE FALLEN OFFICER FOR RETIRED. 
          I MEAN, WE STILL DO SERVICES FOR RETIRED OFFICERS THAT PASSED AWAY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL FOLD THE FLAG AND WE WILL GIVE THEM THE 21 GUNS SLEEP. 
          BUT IT'S NOT THE END OF WATCH. 
          THEY DIDN'T DIE IN THE LINE OF DUTY, BUT THEY'RE STILL RECOMMENDED. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY, THEY GET THAT THEY DID THEIR SERVICE ON THAT. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO HONOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, BUT I MEAN, IT CLEARLY SAYS IN THE LINE OF DUTY, DEATH, YOU'RE END OF WATCH. 
          YEAH. 
          MY BIG THING IS IT'S, 
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IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAINTAIN FOR THE REST OF HISTORY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IN MEMORIAL MEETINGS, YOU DID GIVE YOUR LIFE, YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE YOUR LIFE FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR, SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I HAVE A, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING MORE THAN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH DOING THAT. 
          IT, IT IS JUST, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STEPS OF, OF DOING IT AND FIGURE, Y'ALL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT NOT MANY HOW YOU, WHAT YOU WANNA HONOR AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND STEP DOWN THE HALL. 
          SO I MISSED SOME OF IT, OF, OF ACCEPTING THAT AS A GIFT AND THEN MOVING FORWARD HOW YOU, WHAT YOU WANNA MAKE A WALL AT LEAST OUT THERE, OR IF Y'ALL JUST WANNA LEAVE IT THERE. 
          BUT EITHER WAY, YOU'VE GOTTA ACCEPT, UH, ON AN AGENDA THAT IS A GIFT. 
          THAT'S, SINCE IT'S OUT THERE, I THINK THAT YOU, THAT'S ONE REASON WE SAID, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND THAT'S ONE THING IS EITHER TO DECIDE IF THAT'S WHERE YOU EVEN WANT TO PUT IT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO SEES A MEMORIAL AT THE, AT THE JAIL AND NOT BEING GENERALLY THE ONLY PEOPLE GOING TO THE JAIL,  JAIL PEOPLE ARE GONNA VISIT PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          PEOPLE, I MEAN, IT'S WONDERFUL FOR THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, THEY OUT TO SEE THEIR, THEIR FRIENDS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEMORIAL. 
          BUT I'D LIKE THE WHOLE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE IT, YOU KNOW, AND MAJORITY OF THE MEMORIALS, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, UH, JUDGE EARLY, UH, THEY HAVE ONE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF DALLAS COUNTY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          UH, BY GEORGE ALLEN, BY THE RECORDS BUILDING. 
          BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THAT NOT NOT IN FRONT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO PICK UP BILLY BOB TO GET THEM OUT AND THEY SEE OUR FALLEN OFFICER. 
          YEAH. 
          TO ME, THAT'S NOT HONORING THE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM THAT DID A SERVICE FOR THIS COUNTY AND FOR THE COMMUNITY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE HONORED AND RECOGNIZED IS IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE. 
          AND WHETHER IT'S A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, UH, A DEPUTY SHERIFF OR THE CONSTABLE, WHETHER IT'S A DISTRICT ATTORNEY, FIRE MARSHAL, CITY POLICE, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYBODY WEARING THE BADGE IN THIS COUNTY, THEY'RE IN THE WATCH. 
          THEY SHOULD GO ON THAT MEMORIAL. 
          I THINK WE HAVE, UM, WHAT ONE CONSTABLE BACK IN 1902 OR EIGHT OR SOMETHING THAT WAS KILLED HEAD WAS A PISTOL. 
          WELL, THERE'S DEFINITELY, I MEAN, RIGHT. 
          WE KNOW. 
          SO, AND THEN WE HAVE, I THINK THERE ARE TWO, BECAUSE WHEN WE DO IT IN MAY, EVERY TIME Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN WE GO RIGHT. 
          AGAIN, MY PURPOSE FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA, WE JUST, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WE CAN'T, SHOULDN'T JUST LET IT SIT THERE AND PESTER. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT DOES NEED TO HAVE, AND WE JUST ACCEPT WHAT'S THERE AND MOVE ON. 
          I THINK, I THINK IN REBECCA, WE NEED TO PUT ON THE AGENDA TO ACCEPT THAT IN KIND DONATION FOR WHAT THAT DIDN'T GET THE VALUE AND THEN, OR WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO NEXT ABOUT ADDING TO THAT OR NOT ADDING TO THAT. 
          THAT'S UP TO Y CAN IT SOMEPLACE ELSE OR WHAT? YEAH, THAT SLIDE WILL STAY THERE. 
          BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE NEED TO DO THAT AND INCORPORATE THAT IS, IS SOMETHING INTO OUR COUNTY AND WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT. 
          AND THE REASON I SUGGESTED A COMMITTEE IS THAT THE COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, PROBABLY CAN LOOK AT THIS WITH A, MAYBE YOU SET OF EYES PERHAPS AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          THE COURT STILL HAVE TO APPROVE ANY AND EVERYTHING, UH, BUT, UH, IT IS JUST AN EFFORT TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          AND THEN WE, WE'LL NEED TO CHECK WITH THE, UH, HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND MAKE SURE WHAT WE DO. 
          IF WE DO SOMETHING DOWN HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE, WHAT CAN WE DO? CAN WE DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OR INSIDE PANEL? I KNOW YOU TALKED TO THEM. 
          WELL, ANY, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE REMEMBERS. 
          WE DO HAVE A SMALL MEMORIAL IN THE HA IN MR. HASSEY IN THE MCCLELLAN'S NAME AT THE PARK. 
          AND THERE IS A LOT THERE THAT, THAT HERITAGE SOCIETY DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO PURCHASE. 
          IF WE HAD SOMEONE WHO WOULD DONATE, WE COULD GET IT DONATED OR WE COULD GET THE FUNDS, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT RIGHT. 
          SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO WALK ACROSS TO THE COURTHOUSE. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE IN AT THE COURTHOUSE. 
          THAT MIGHT BE A LOCATION. 
          THERE'S TREES PLANTED IN THEIR MEMORY. 
          THERE'S A TREE PLANTED IN MEMORY OF ONE OF THE MEMBERS WHOSE, UM, SON WAS A POLICE OFFICER AND WAS KILLED. 
          SO THERE'S A MEMORY, MEMORY STARTED, YOU KNOW, MEMORIAL STARTED THERE. 
          I THINK THAT BEST IDEA, THE EARLIER THING IS WE'VE GOT A MASTER PLAN FOR THE SITE AFTER THE JAIL IS WHEN WE PUT A COURTS BUILDING IN AND ALL OF THAT. 
          HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THAT 
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TO SEE WHAT, WHAT IT, WHERE ALL THE SPACE GOES AND YEAH. 
          I, I'VE LOOKED AT IT AND IT'S NOTHING. 
          UH, IT'S, I'VE GOT A COPY OF IT, I MEAN OVER IN THE OFFICE AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT WAS DESIGNED TO GO WHERE THE SLAB IS NOW. 
          NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN CHANGE. 
          WE GOT A PARK OUT HERE GOING, PEOPLE WILL ENJOY IT MORE HERE, COME OUT HERE, BETTER PARK. 
          THEY WOULD ENJOY WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE THERE. 
          WE DRIVE INTO TOWN EVEN YEARS LATER OR FUTURE IF AIRPORT BUILDING, IT'D BE NICE TO STILL HAVE SOMETHING DOWNTOWN. 
          PEOPLE, ONE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING SIE AND WELL THIS IS, THIS IS ON THE COURTS BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS, THIS O' HERE'S HISTORY IS ALWAYS GOING BE HERE UNLESS THE TORNADO TAKES IT AWAY OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A, A MONUMENT, IT WOULDN'T TAKE A MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS TABLE NO. 
          TO BE A RECOGNITION OF COMING UP THE FRONT STEPS OF THE COURTHOUSE. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT AND KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING. 
          AND THEIR NAMES GONNA BE THERE FOR LIFE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO CALL, EVERYBODY GETS MARRIED, GETS DIVORCED, YOU KNOW, , WHO ELSE GOING DO OR GETTING, GETTING, GETTING TRIED OR WHATEVER. 
          THEY'LL ALL SEE IT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S A NICE, I LIKE THE REASON THAT I, AND I, YOU KNOW, THE REASON I PUT THIS ON HERE, IT'S JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION BETTER. 
          I'M NOT SETTING CONCRETE ON THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA DO A COMMITTEE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST DON'T HAVE THIS TO NOT JUST DO SIMPLE. 
          WELL I THINK THAT THAT, THAT I, I'M, I THINK THAT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY BEEN LONG ENOUGH FOR THE TAR OFFICERS AND PEOPLE TO BE RECOGNIZED. 
          KIND OF SAD THAT IS THIS ONE OFFICER ONE IN THE TWO OFFICER OUT. 
          NOT EVERYONE'S INTERESTED. 
          RAY HAS VOLUNTEERED TO HELP KIND LEAD. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD JUST ACCEPT DONATION FOR WHAT'S JAIL. 
          THAT'LL CLEAR UP THAT. 
          AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT FORM A COMMITTEE TO SEE ABOUT THE MEMORIAL MARTIN HAS QUALIFI AS YEAH. 
          AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, AND COULD YOU STILL LOOK AT WHAT'S AT THAT, AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR THE OFFICERS OF THAT DEPARTMENT? THAT COULD BE FOR THAT JUST AS LONG AS YOU DON'T WANT CALL IT A MEMORIAL. 
          YEAH, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S NOT MEMORIAL, RIGHT? I MEAN SOMEBODY DIED AND I DON'T YEAH. 
          TO ME, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF SERVICE IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT THE COMMITTEE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET SOMEBODY FROM EACH PRECINCT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          NUMBER ONE. 
          YES. 
          NUMBER TWO, IT IS LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO RECOGNIZE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT UNFORTUNATELY LOST THEIR LIVES, THAT DID PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORT IN BEHIND THE PAST. 
          BUT ON THE SAME NOTE, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS GET A PICTURE FRAME WITH THEIR ON IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEIR PICTURE WITH, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY DID FROM THIS STATE TO THIS STATE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WANTS TO PUT THAT UP IN THEIR BUILDING, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT JUDGE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THEY HAVE FIVE OTHER PICTURES UP THERE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT PRINCIPLE MEANS. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THE, THE MONUMENT IS FOR THE EOW, THIS IS THE END OF WATCH. 
          IT IS A GENERIC BADGE FOR THE COUNTY THAT RECOGNIZES ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          IT HAS THEIR RANK, THEIR FIRST AND LAST NAME, AND IT SAYS EOW. 
          THAT IS THE END OF WATCH AND THE DATE THAT UNFORTUNATELY LAW LOST  AND THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WALL INSIDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU, YOU, I MEAN NO, BUT I MEAN, ON THE WALL. 
          YEAH, THEY, I THEY HAVE THAT. 
          THEY HAVE THAT. 
          THEY HAVE THAT ALREADY. 
          THEY HAVE THAT ALREADY. 
          IF YOU WALK IN, IT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          YEP. 
          I MEAN, OKAY, BUT ARE YOU GUYS, HOW YOU, HOW DO YOU, SO YOU GONNA PUT THAT ON EXHIBIT TIME ON IN THE NEXT AGENDA? WE'LL DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MAYBE JUST TAKE A QUICK EMAIL TO THE HISTORICAL CONDITIONS TO SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY RECOMMEND, WHAT THEY, THEY DO NOT, THEY'LL, I'VE ACTUALLY PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR A MONDAY, UH, JUST TO GET IT ON THERE. 
          WE 
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DON'T HAVE TO ACT ON IT AT THAT TIME. 
          UH, JUST TO DISCUSS THE POINTING OF COMMITTEE. 
          UH, WE CAN TABLE THAT OR WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE COME BACK LATER ON AND INCLUDE ACCEPTING, UH, IS IT ON THE DISCUSSION OR LIKE AN ACTION? I PUT DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SITTER. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I DIDN'T PUT, UH, AND WE CAN DO AN ADDENDUM BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO ONE FOR, UH, TANYA THAT WE GOT TO THE UH, UH, MEETING MONDAY. 
          WE COULD ALSO PUT THAT ON TO DISCUSS AND ACCEPT THE DONATION, UH, FOR THE CONCRETE THAT HAD BEEN POURED THERE AT THE, UH, DO HAVE EVALUATION ON THERE. 
          HE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE A EVALUATION ON WHAT THE WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHEN YOU GUYS I'LL, I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS BECAUSE I, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. 
          I'M SURE THAT'S AS THE CONCRETE MAY PORT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH, I, I SAID ASK THE CONCRETE MAN REPORT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AS SOMEBODY THAT DOES CONCRETE WORK, SOMEBODY, IT'S ALL RELATIVE TO OUT. 
          I DON'T THAT WORK. 
          WE FIGURE THAT PART OUT AND JUST PUT THE VALUATION SINCE IT, ANY TIME THAT WORKS, THEN IT'S VALUED AT WHATEVER Y'ALL COME UP WITH. 
          2 53 A FOOT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL WE'LL FIND THAT OUT. 
          NEXT ITEM TO DISCUSS AN ALL FLOW CHART FOR COFFEE CAN. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU GET OVER WHEN YOU FIRST COME IN, IT'S KIND OF DAUNTING. 
          NOT WHO, WHO'S WHERE, WHO'S ON FIRST, WHO'S ON THIRD. 
          NOBODY TELLS YOU. 
          AND SO YOU GOTTA GET LIKE BUING THROUGH THE DARK. 
          SO THERE'S CHARTS THAT I GOT FROM DIFFERENT COUNTIES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A FLOW CHART THAT SHOWS THIS DEPARTMENT COMES UNDER HERE, THAT DEPARTMENT AND THIS GUY ANSWERS THIS SO FORTH. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          AND SO I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE REAL HELPFUL AND HANDY, UH, EVEN FOR OUR CITIZENS TO KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE TO WHO. 
          YEAH. 
          WHO'S, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKED WHO'S YOUR BOSS? AND I SAID, WELL YOU ARE, YOU VOTED SO A YEAR AGO. 
          AND THEY SAID, MY VOTE DIDN'T COUNT  ANYWAY, SWEAR AWAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD THIS. 
          AND THERE AGAIN I STARTED DRAWING A LITTLE DUDE BOB HERE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO BELONGED WHERE. 
          WELL, SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE HANDY IF WE SOMEWHAT COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING. 
          WELL, WE LOOKED AT IT TOO AND WE REALIZED THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          'CAUSE WE JUST WENT, TOOK LIKE THE, MADE A LIST OF A LOT OF 'EM. 
          UH, AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT YESTERDAY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEETING TODAY, WE PULLED A LOT OF EXTRAS TOO FROM DIFFERENT COUNTIES. 
          AND I THINK MAYBE, I MEAN I HATE TO TASK LORI, BUT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO GET A WORKING DOCUMENT AND THEN FLOAT THAT AROUND AND SEE WHERE EVERYONE, IF THERE'S A QUESTION OF A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT AND THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A PDF TO EITHER PUT ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          UM, AND THAT WAY PUBLIC WILL BE AWARE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE DID YOU PUT EVERYONE TAG? OR DID YOU JUST KIND OF DO A, A SEARCH? I JUST WENT AND DID A SEARCH AND PULLED BUS. 
          THERE'S ONE HERE HOUSE FOR BEN COUNTY I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHO DID THAT ONE, BUT YEAH. 
          REBECCA, WHICH OTHER ONES DID YOU GET OUT? I PULLED, I MEAN I JUST DID LIKE A GENERAL IMAGES SEARCH. 
          I PULLED WALKER COUNTY, I PULLED ELLIS COUNTY. 
          I TRIED TO STAY AROUND THE POPULATIONS THAT ARE OUR SIZE, LIKE FORT BEN'S GOT LIKE FOUR 50,000. 
          YOU GUYS WANT MAKE SOME COPIES OF THOSE OTHER ONES FOR YOU GUYS FOR LATER? YEAH, HE CAN. 
          SCS ALSO DEVELOPED ONE OF HIS OWN. 
          HE'S MAKING SOME COPIES OF THEM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          TANYA HAS ONE TOO. 
          I MEAN I DO THAT FROM MY STAFF AND THEY KNOW WHO THEIR IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR IS OR A GENERIC OVER. 
          WE HAVE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'D BE HANDY. 
          IT'S HELPFUL. 
          THAT'S STRICTLY FROM YOUR OFFICE. 
          YES. 
          THAT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE. 
          BUT STILL THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW. 
          AND I, I SUGGEST WE PUT IT ON THE UH, WELL, I THINK, I THINK IT'S INTERNALLY YOU GUYS NEED TALK TO, IN OUR OFFICES THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO INITIALLY GO OUT. 
          WE ALL HAVE LIKE I WOULD KNOW HIS OFFICE. 
          YOU HAVE THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT FORMALIZED, PEOPLE KNOW THE CHAIN OF COMMAND RIGHT? FROM THE COUNTY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLEAR. 
          IT'S NOT COMPARED TO THE NO, I JUDGE. 
          I SEE WE HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE, WE HAVE A HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          WHO IS THAT? NO. 
          WELL, AND I, I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF IN THE PROCESS OF REGROUPING. 
          I SAW NITA IN, I THINK THEY HAD A SHAKE UP. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          THIS IS ONE SPEECH. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO WORK ON. 
          I AND 
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MAYBE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU SUGGESTED, UH, REBECCA, MAYBE WE COULD GET LORI TO KIND OF WELL, I'M SORRY. 
          I THINK SHE'D BE A KEY COMPONENT BECAUSE SHE KNOWS ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES CALL, BUT IT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A DEPARTMENT HEAD THING. 
          I MEAN, TANYA'S DONE HER DUE DILIGENCE AND SHE KNOWS HOW UM, HER OFFICE IS ORGANIZED AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS. 
          AND SO EVERYONE EACH ELECTED THE DEPARTMENT DID THAT. 
          YOU'D BE ABLE TO BUILD YOUR WORKING CHART. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL YOU ABOUT THIS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT NEXT ITEM IF Y'ALL NEED, THAT'S KIND OF TAKING THESE AT FIRST STOP. 
          WE'RE SEVEN 40 BECAUSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE TO BACK UP TURN AND THAT'S GOING STRAIGHT INTO, SO NOW WE CUT THE, UH, SKIP TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          AND THAT IS DISCUSSED BIDDING FOR TRASH PRECINCT COUNTYWIDE, UH, UH, PICKUP. 
          AND THIS, UH, MR. ALLEN PLACED THIS AND YOU TALKED ABOUT TRASH PICKUP SERVICES FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD. 
          ON COUNTY ROAD, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND OF THE POSSIBILITY WITH CONTRACT, WELL ACTUALLY ONE TRASH SERVICE GET IT FROM THE ENTIRE COUNTY, BUT MATTER ABOUT PRECINCTS. 
          BUT A LOT OF THESE COUNTY ROADS, WE'VE GOT THREE TRUCKS GOING DOWN THAT ROAD EVERY DAY. 
          THREE DIFFERENT CARRIERS PICKING UP TRASH ON THE SAME ROAD. 
          AND OUR ROADS AREN'T, MAY HOLD UP THAT MUCH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT, AND THEN WE GOT OTHER MOM AND POPS WHO ARE ONE DOWN THE ROADS WITH TRAILERS WITH THROW POPS ON THEM AND TRASHES ONE DOWN THE ROAD WEIGHT LIMIT IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH THEM. 
          BUT THE OTHER IS, AND I I TALKED TO STEVE ABOUT THIS, HE WAS IN THAT BUSINESS. 
          IT CAN BE DONE BILLING IS IS THE ISSUE. 
          I YEAH, I THINK THAT THE, I TALKED TO REBECCA A. LONG TIME ABOUT IT AND SHE, I PASSED ALONG. 
          I WE DID. 
          AND, AND MAYBE YOU CAN SHARE SOME LIGHT ON WHAT MY CONCERN WAS. 
          AND I EVEN ASKED THE TECH AND ALLISON AND MATT AND I SENT THEM REQUEST. 
          THEY HAVE NEVER RESPONDED. 
          BUT THE, UH, THE BIGGEST THING IS THE STATE DOES CONTROL THE FLOW OF SEWER, WATER, AND TRASH. 
          AND WHAT GIVES THE RIGHT TO THE CITIES IS THAT THEY CONTROL THE WATER BID. 
          AND I THINK, UH, THEY'RE ALL HERE IS ON THE NORTH TEXAS WATER BOARD AND HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHED A LITTLE LIGHT ON IT HIMSELF. 
          BUT SINCE THEY SEND THAT BILL FOR THE WATER, THEY HAVE A BILLING PROCESS ALREADY AND THEY ADD THE TRASH ONTO THE BILL AND THAT'S WHAT GIVES THEM THE GOVERNING RIGHT. 
          TO CONTRACT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE CONTRACTOR. 
          THE COUNTY'S NEVER BEEN THE CONTRACTOR. 
          NO, WE HAVE NO WAY TO BILL. 
          AND SO THEREFORE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE MY, IT COMES IN LEGAL OR NOT. 
          WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN HIRE AN OUTSIDE SOURCE TO CONTRACT OUR MONEY IN OUR BUILDING. 
          WELL, AND TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING OR HAVE THE TRACK SERVICE, I MEAN THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OR HAVE THE TRACK SERVICE DO. 
          ONE THING THAT WE WERE SAYING THOUGH, BUT IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD WORK IS WE, 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO COME OFF AS A TAX. 
          WE CAN'T TAX, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, WELL THAT'S, IT CAME FROM THE COUNTY, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT'S A, IT'S A FEE. 
          IT'S FOR A SERVICE. 
          IT'S A FEE FOR SERVICE. 
          THE ONLY PERSON THAT SENDS OUT REGULARLY ALL THE CITIZENS OBVIOUSLY IS, IS RIGHT CROSS OFFICE. 
          BUT IT'S COMING WITH YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED MONTHLY TO BE A LUMP SUM, BUT IT A REDUCED AMOUNT. 
          SO WE WERE JUST BRAINSTORMING. 
          WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD EVEN DO THAT. 
          'CAUSE HOW COULD, IF YOU SEPARATE THAT OUT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT LITERALLY, LITERALLY CHARGED ANYWAY. 
          WELL, NOBODY WANTS TO DO IT THAT WAY. 
          EVEN IF YOU DID, EVERYONE WANTS TO PAY YOUR $10 A MONTH OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S, AND A FEE'S NOT A TAX. 
          OH, I TOTALLY GET THAT. 
          AND THAT'S, WE CAN'T, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          AND THERE'S NO WAY IT CAN COME FROM HER OFFICE. 
          YEAH, BUT THERE'S BUT IT IS LAKE SHANNON OUT THEM TO ACTUALLY SEND THE BILL WOULD BE THE WAY YOU WOULD CONTRACT WITH THEM. 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          IF IT'S LEGAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SAY WASTE BANK CAME IN, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BILL FOR US, THEN THEY'D SEND THE INDIVIDUAL BILL TO EACH HOUSE AND THEN THEY WOULD PAY US. 
          RIGHT. 
          A PERCENTAGE OF THE BILL THEM OUT. 
          YES. 
          AND REBECCA CHECKED ON A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE LEGALITY SHE DIDN'T DO. 
          I CALLED UM, JIM'S OFFICE AND JUST ASKED THEM IF THEY HAD DONE THIS TYPE OF THING BEFORE. 
          AND I HAD, I, AGAIN, I SPOKE WITH UH, BOB AND HE SAID THEY HAD NOT CREATED THIS TYPE OF UTILITY DISTRICT BEFORE. 
          HE WAS AWARE THAT SMALLER COUNTIES JUST BASICALLY CONTRACTED, UM, WITH A AWAY SERVICE VERSUS DOING A, A SPECIAL DISTRICT. 
          BUT HE DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST ROUTE 
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FOR COFFMAN BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH LARGER THAN THE COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING THAT PROCESS. 
          SO IT'D BE KIND OF A NEW THING THAT A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVEN'T GONE TOWARDS. 
          AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT UM, IT, IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR US 'CAUSE WE'RE A LOT OF UNINCORPORATED AREA VERSUS LIKE DALLAS OR WALK WALL WHERE THE CITIES ARE TAKING CARE OF THE ISSUE. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOT BORDERING COUNTIES THAT PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AS US. 
          AND SO HE MENTIONED, UM, HOW THEIR FEES WORK. 
          THEY OF COURSE DO HOURLY, BUT THEY MAY BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A FLAT FEE, UM, TO CREATE THIS TYPE OF UTILITY DISTRICT IF, UM, ANOTHER COUNTY WANTED TO PARTNER WITH US. 
          BUT I, I THINK THAT MAY ALSO BE A GOOD IDEA TO INCREASE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT THIS TYPE OF SERVICE FOR THE COUNTY. 
          AND IF THERE ARE GONNA BE GENERAL, UM, BENEFITS REALIZED TRANSPORTATION WISE ON THE ROAD, LESS ROAD DAMAGE, LESS MONEY HAVING TO BE SPENT TOWARDS THAT. 
          THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME. 
          ONE THING FORNEY DOES, FORNEY HAS A COUPLE OF INSTANCES TO WHERE THE WATER CCNS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE RURAL WATER CORPORATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO WHERE, SAY, UH, GRAYHAWK, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF TOWN NOW THEY HAVE UH, MARK OUT WATER SUPPLY, BUT FORNEY SEWER. 
          SO, BUT THE WATER BILL IS BILLED WATER AND SEWER AND TRASH ARE ALL BILLED THROUGH MARK OUT. 
          AND THEN THEY JUST TAKE A SMALL PERCENTAGE FOR HANDLING THE BILLING ASPECT OF IT. 
          SO THE CITY AND THEN MARK OUT THE, THE, THE NY BILLS MARK OUT, MARK OUT CUT THAT CHECK AND THEY, THEY TAKE A PIECE OF THE PERCENTAGE OFF OF IT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MAY THINK ABOUT. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF INDIVIDUAL WATER COMPANIES, IF WE COULD GIVE 'EM A SMALL PERCENTAGE, IT'D BE A REVENUE STREAM FOR THEM THAT THEY DON'T HAVE WITH MY OTHER THING. 
          HAVE A BUILDING PROCESS. 
          A BUILDING PROCESS FOR EACH ONE OF THEM. 
          AND THEY'RE DOING IT, I THINK ON THE AMBULANCE SERVICE. 
          ARE THEY NOT? YES, THEY ARE ADDING A DOLLAR TO THE BILL. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO BILL. 
          AND SO IF ANYONE HAS THOSE TYPE OF IDEAS, IF YOU COULD SEND ME THEM AND I'LL COMPILE THEM AND GET THAT INFORMATION TO BOB. 
          IF WE WANT TO GET A QUOTE WE CAN. 
          BUT HE NEEDS THE MOST INFORMATION POSSIBLE SO THAT HE CAN SAY DON'T HAVE FIVE GENERAL OPTIONS UNDERNEATH THE LAW. 
          AND THIS IS THIS I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW MARK OUT WAS CLAY MARK OUT DOES THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AGREEMENT WITH HIGH POINT ON THE, ON THE NORTH END UP THERE OF LINDA TO WHERE UH, AGAIN, THEY HAVE CITY SEWER, BUT THE MEETS AND BOUNDS ARE WITHIN THE, THE WATER DISTRICT'S. 
          CCN. 
          SO, SO MARK OUT IS BILLING ON THE WATER BILL, BUT THEY'RE COLLECTING THE SEWER AND THEY'RE JUST TAKING A PERCENTAGE OF THAT JUST AS PASSING THROUGH THAT. 
          THE APARTMENTS OVER THERE. 
          THEY GOING TO, THEY COLLECTING THE PERCENTAGE OFF OF THE EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S COMMERCIAL. 
          NO, THAT, THAT'S THE PROPERTY I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          MARK OUT HAS, I'M SORRY, HIGH POINT HAS THE CN ON ALL THE METAL RIDGE OR, OR THE GATEWAY. 
          SO, UH, HIGH POINT'S GETTING THE WATER. 
          FONY IS GETTING THE SEWER AND THEN HIGH POINT IS CHARGING CORN A PERCENTAGE OF THAT JUST TO DO THE BILLING. 
          OKAY. 
          SEE THAT MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE THE ANSWER THAT THAT MIGHT BE THE LOOPHOLE THAT YOU NEED TO GET AROUND IT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE DISTRICT AND I DON'T THINK THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A SENATOR OR ANYTHING. 
          THEY JUST BE A SUPPLY COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. 
          WELL YOU DOING FROM BILLING MECHANISM, ALL YOU WANT IS, WELL THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT AND YOU TAKE IT WITH THE WATER FLOW IS HOW YOU RECEIVE THE RIGHTS. 
          BUT YOU REQUIRE THESE RESIDENTS TO HIGH POINT, WHICH HIGH POINT, HIGH POINT, HIGH POINT COVERS FROM MCLENNAN ALL THE WAY TO HIGHWAY 80, WHICH HELPS, IT'S PRETTY GOOD. 
          IT'S PRETTY GOOD SIZE. 
          EVERYBODY'S PAYING THE TRASH SERVICE. 
          THAT'D BE LESS AFTER ON THE ROAD, HOWEVER THAT'S GONNA APPEAR AS A TAX TAX. 
          IT WILL BE. 
          BUT FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY PAYING IT, IT'S A CONVENIENCE. 
          I MEAN THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO IT IS IF THEY, IF IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO OPT OUT, BUT I OUT OUT OF THE TRASH SERVICE. 
          BUT THEN WE GET BACK TO THE, WE FORGET THE POINT THAT DENNIS HAVING ALL THOSE S TRUCKS RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          REALLY? BUT SOMETIMES EXPLAIN. 
          BUT IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO OPT OUT, THEY, THAT MEANS THAT THEY HAD TO HAUL THEIR OWN TRASH OFF. 
          BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEY'D EITHER HAVE TO HIRE A TRASH COMPANY. 
          THEY DON'T HIRE OR PAY YOU IF YOU'RE HIRING THE TRASH COMPANY, PAUL. 
          WELL, AND, AND, BUT I THINK THE THING, AND IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN THIS TO FOLKS. 
          YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ROADS. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DON'T WANNA BE TAXED. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZE WHAT WE HAVE IN TAXES. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS HERE IS AN IDEA THAT WILL TAKE ALL MORE, LESS TRUCKS OFF AND YET PICK YOUR TRASH AND WE'RE GONNA COMPETE THE AVERAGE PRICE THIS MONTH. 
          OURS ARE GONNA BE LESS. 
          I MEAN AT SOME POINT YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S STILL WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT A REASONABLE PERSON'S GONNA SEE HOW YOU'RE SAVING WEAR AND TEAR AND PROVIDING THE SERVICE AND WOULD MAKE A LOAN TOO LONG OF IT. 
          WELL, WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SAVE THEM MONEY BECAUSE IT'S WHAT, 10 55, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I I OR, OR, UH, NOW THAT A PROGRESSIVE INSTEAD ISI OR OR OR 
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UH, WASTE MANAGEMENT ONE WOULD COME IN, WOULD GET A BETTER RATE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN NEY ALL OR ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS, UH, MUD AND, AND AND THAT'S AROUND PONY. 
          WHETHER WE WOULD BID OUR TRASH CONTRACT, THEY WOULD BID WINDMILL FARMS AND TRAVIS RANCH ALL BECAUSE WELL, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU WANT, YOU NEED TO KNOW, OKAY, NEXT YEAR I NEED TO BUY THREE NEW TRUCKS 'CAUSE I'M REPLACING THESE TWO AND ADDING ONE. 
          'CAUSE I'M ADDED WINDMILL FARMS. SO IF, IF YOU DO THAT IN COUNTYWIDE RIGHT NOW, PROGRESSIVE OR I, THE OLD ISI HAS EVERYBODY WITH THE, THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY OF FORNEY IN KAUFMAN COUNTY. 
          THEY HAVE HAVE CRANDALL, THEY HAVE KAUFMAN, THEY HAVE TERRELL AND THEY SHOULD HAVE NEY, BUT THEY DON'T. 
          BUT SO I WOULD SUSPECT THAT PROGRESSIVE, SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE TRUCKS OUT HERE, COULD PROBABLY BEAT YOUR YOUR DO THE WHOLE THING. 
          YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THEY'RE BIG, HUGE TRUCKS WELL USED. 
          WE CAN SPECIFY IN THE CONTRACTS THE TYPE OF TRUCKS THAT WE WANT RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. 
          WE NEED TO SAY THEY NEED TO HAVE AN EXTRA TANDEM WHEEL. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EXTRA WELL SINGLE AXLE CAN AXLE IN THE BACK AND ONE IN THE FRONT. 
          I'VE GOT FIVE AX TRUCKS GOT, OF COURSE WHEN THEY TURN THE CORNER, IT JUST DOES THIS. 
          IF THEY HAVE 'EM DOWN AND TEARS UP EVERYTHING. 
          THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU MANDATE 'EM TO HAVE SMALLER TRUCKS? YOU CAN. 
          IT'S IN THE CONTRACT THAT AFFECT BID THE CONTRACT WHEN YOU RFP AND SOMEBODY WILL BID IT. 
          I PROMISE YOU. 
          WE'RE WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE, THE, THE INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE ONE OR TWO TRUCKS OR THE, THE LITTLE MOM AND POP PEOPLE THAT HAVE A COUPLE LITTLE TRUCKS. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THEY HAVE TO, UM, SUBCONTRACT MAYBE 25% OF IT TO NO EXIST? THAT'D BE PRETTY HARD TO DO, BUT THAT'D BE TOO MUCH FOR MANDATE. 
          YOU CAN MANDATE, I THINK STATE LAW GIVES YOU SOME KIND OF MANDATE ON YEAH. 
          YOUR MINORITY AS PART OF YOUR COMPANY, ALL THE PERCENTAGES THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. 
          YES. 
          BUT, BUT THE SAY LOOK JUST SMALL, INDEPENDENT. 
          NO, THAT'S LIKE, IT HAS TO BE A SMALL, INDEPENDENT, UM, FEMALE COMPANY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THE LITTLE GUY COME TO SEE YOU AND I FROM OVER HERE AT CRALL, HE, HE, THEY HAD THAT LITTLE NON POP OPERATION AND THE TRAILERS AND HE'D GOTTEN ABOUT BEFORE YOU WERE REALLY CONCERNED AND HE SAID, WHAT Y'ALL GONNA BE GONNA PUT ME OUT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. 
          WELL, THAT THAT'S THE THING WE TO DO PUT OUT BUSINESS THEN ON THE HAND SOMEHOW, OR WE'VE FIGURE OUT THAT'S I'M ASKING THAT'S, WE CAN MANDATE THAT IN THE CONTRACT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD OR NOT SAY, LOOK, YOU NEED TO GIVE OUT. 
          AND THEN HOW YOU GOING GOVERN THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GOING REALLY HURT THEM. 
          THEY'RE GONNA PUT 'EM OUT OF BUSINESS ANYWAY. 
          THEN THEY'LL PUT 'EM OUT BUSINESS ANYWAY BECAUSE THE BIG COMPANIES GOTTA MAKE MONEY OFF THEM TOO. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE MONEY OFF THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, YOU HAVE A BIG TRAINING GOING. 
          IT'S NOT A SIMPLE NO, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A TOUGH DEAL. 
          WE S IT, IT'S A THING WHERE REALLY SURPRISED THERE'S NOT LEGISLATION FROM OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE NO. 
          WHERE THEY'VE HAD PERMISSION FROM THE STATES TO DO THIS. 
          AND IT COULD BE A LOCAL BILL THAT TO GIVE US IF WE RUN INTO A STONE BLOCK OR SOMETHING. 
          WELL THE CITY SURE DONE IT. 
          BUT YEAH, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT RULES. 
          WE HAVE ALRIGHTYY LET'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION ON THIS OTHER, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND UH, REBECCA AND SEE WHAT KIND OF RULES YOUR YEAH, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT WOULD WORK, BE STRUCTURE WISE FIRST BEFORE WE THEN START HAVING PROBABLY SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS ON IT. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT IF YOU, IF YOU BROKE IT UP IN THE FOUR PRECINCTS, THEN MOM AND POP COMPANY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE AT BEING ABLE TO DO IT. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER WAY TO HAVE PEOPLE NOT JUST BE SO ANTI IS IF BID IT OUT SMALLER AREAS AND LET THEM DO IT. 
          I'VE HEARD YEAH, THE BID PROCESS AND I HEARD THE BID PROCESS WE ALL HAVE TO BALANCE, I THINK THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS, LIKE REBECCA IS SAYING, YOU'LL GET A FEEL OF IT. 
          BUT THE ULTIMATE GOAL I THINK FOR COMMISSIONER ALLEN IS TO HAVE LESS TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. 
          SO IF YOU DIVIDE IT BY THE FOUR, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD GET THAT AND YOU WOULDN'T CHOKE OUT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I HAD 13 HOUSES ON MY STREET AND ONE TIME I HAD FIVE SEPARATE TRASH COMPANIES COMING DOWN MY STREET AND THEY ALL HAD TANDEM TRUCKS. 
          THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS IS I, I HAD A COUPLE MORE OF 'EM AND BOUGHT 'EM ALL OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S SUNK DOWN NOW. 
          THERE IS JUST THREE COMING ON, ONE IN MIDDLE OF MOM AND POP AND TWO MAJOR 
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COMPANIES. 
          BUT I STILL HAVE THREE, UH, A NEW COMPANY, SAM'S OR SOMETHING, ANOTHER SMALL ONE, ANOTHER, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE A BIG TRUCK. 
          OKAY. 
          WHILE, UH, IF EVERYBODY'S FREE WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO SKIP DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 10. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TODAY WITH US WITH AND PAM ASKED THAT. 
          UH, WE DISCUSS THIS AND THIS IS GONNA BE A PRESENTATION BY, UH, RICHARD SENIOR CONSULTANT OF GRANT WORKS REGARDING MAY, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          POSSIBLE DISASTER ASSISTANCE FUNDING TO COMPLETE REPAIRS OF DAMAGED INFRASTRUCTURE BY THE FLOATING STORM. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A LINE, THAT'S A LONG WORDED AGENDA. 
          JUDGE, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE. 
          YES SIR. 
          PAM, DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF INTERVIEW SOME? WELL, YEAH. 
          THIS IS COREY RICHARDS EMPLOYEES WITH BRENT MARK. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE MET HIM BEFORE AND HE'S BACK AGAIN TO SPEAK WITH US. 
          AND THEN THIS IS FRANK STEVENS, STEVENS , AND HE'S WITH AN ENGINEERING FIRM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SEAN BERG POLK, UH, UH, CAROL. 
          YES. 
          I WANTED TO INTERJECT ONE THING REAL QUICK ABOUT WHO'S HAVING THE REVEREND SEWER ISSUED IN THEIR PRECINCT. 
          WHO'S, WHO'S GETTING ROSS'S WATER? YOU ARE ME, WHOEVER THAT WATER PROVIDER IS. 
          THEY'RE DOWN BY THEIR CCN TO SHUT OFF THAT SERVICE. 
          IF THEY KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE ATTACK, THEY CAN GET IN TROUBLE FROM TCEQ BY PROVIDING THE WATER. 
          THAT'S WIND MILL WATER. 
          NOW, IF THEY'VE GOTTEN THAT, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN WELL DOWN THERE AIN'T MUCH YOU CAN DO AGAIN. 
          BUT IF THEY'RE PURCHASING WATER, IF THEY'RE PURCHASING WATER, THAT PROVIDER HAS TO SHUT IT OFF HALF TO OFF SOME OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LEVEL. 
          WE TO SHUT OFF, PROVE CONNECTIONS. 
          SO ANYWAY, ALRIGHT, SO WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE GONE BACK AND UH, WE HAD PRE-QUALIFIED THE COUNTY, UH, TO APPLY FOR THIS $250,000 IN DAMAGES FROM BACK IN THE MAY EVENT. 
          THE MAY EVENT WAS DECLARED PRESIDENTIAL EVENT, UH, THE DECEMBER EVENT OR THE CHRISTMAS EVENT CALLING IT, UH, NOW HAS NOT, YOUR COUNTY HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT OPEN TO THAT POOL OF FUNDS FOR THE DECEMBER EVENT THAT YOU ARE OPEN FROM THE MAY EVENT BECAUSE IT WAS A PRESIDENTIAL DECLARED DISASTER AND KAMAN WAS INCLUDED IN THAT DECLARATION. 
          SO WHAT YOU CAN DO IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR ANY DAMAGES TO YOUR FACILITIES OR YOUR ROADS OR YOUR BRIDGES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN DOCUMENT THAT WAS DAMAGED BY THE ACTUAL FLOOD, BY THE FLOOD EVENT BACK IN MAY. 
          SO, UH, YOU HAD A DISASTER SUMMARY OUTLINE THAT YOUR EMERGENCY, SO YOUR EMERGENCY MEDICAL EMERGENCY SEE COPIES FOR YOU COORDINATED AND I CIRCLED YOUR OFFICES AND THEY ESTIMATED DAMAGES TO UNPAID ROAD. 
          I DIDN'T GET, WELL WE DIDN'T PASS THAT. 
          I THOUGHT MAYBE STEVE, SO I'LL GO MAKE COPIES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT ANYWAY, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE DAMAGES THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO A GOVERNMENT AGENCY ALREADY THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AS WELL. 
          AND THEY EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN APPLY FOR. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE DAMAGE THAT'S REPORTED THAT, OR AT LEAST IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU CAN APPLY. 
          UH, IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO DO AN APPLICATION, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN OUR FIRST STEP. 
          WE HELD A PUBLIC HEARING IN COUNTY, UH, AND NO ONE ATTENDED. 
          PAM AND I AND AN ENGINEER TAKE THIS. 
          BUT THAT'S TYPICAL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          WE DO ACROSS THE STATE. 
          UH, WE HAVE CHECKED YOUR BUDGET SURPLUS AND YOU FOLLOW WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF UH, OPERATING CAPITAL AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO MAKE APPLICATIONS. 
          THEY STARTED ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS ON MONDAY, A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION APPLICATIONS AND THERE'S ABOUT FOUR AND HALF MILLION IN THE FUND RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THERE'S STILL FUNDS AVAILABLE. 
          UM, WE, WE HAVE GIVEN A, UH, COPY OF THE RESOLUTION TO APPLY TO PUT ON YOUR AGENDA FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING. 
          AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT. 
          I THINK PAM PUT THAT ON. 
          YES SIR. 
          I THINK IT IS ON THE AGENDA AND WHERE, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A COPY OF THE WORD AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA MONDAY AND IF, AND IF Y'ALL APPROVE THAT RESOLUTION TO APPLY, WE WILL DELIVER THAT APPLICATION TO AUSTIN FRIDAY. 
          UH, WE WE'RE ALREADY READY TO MOVE ON IT. 
          UH, THERE'S NOT, THESE AREN'T AS DETAILED APPLICATIONS AS THE REGULAR CDBG IS. 
          IF THE REGULAR ROUND OF FUNDING, THEY ASK FOR A LOT LESS INFORMATION. 
          BUT WE ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO ALL YOUR BUDGET INFORMATION, YOUR EXECUTIVE OFFICERS, WE DID THE RESOLUTION THAT PUTS YOU IN CHARGE OF PAPERWORK AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND UH, SO NOW ALL WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS AFTER WE GET YOUR RESOLUTION TO APPLY IS THAT WE WILL GET A, A TABLE TWO WHICH HAS TO BE DONE BY AN ENGINEER WHO WILL GIVE THEN GIVE AN ESTIMATE, UH, TO THE PUTTING YOUR FEE 
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TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, ALL THAT SORT OF THING. 
          IT IS A BUDGET JUSTIFICATION, ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY REALLY CALL IT TABLE TWO. 
          SO HE WOULD PREPARE A TABLE TWO, WE WOULD PREPARE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION, SUBMIT IT TO THE STATE. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THE TABLE TWO REQUIRES A HAPPEN AND IT REQUIRES A BUDGET. 
          SO WE WOULD, THE COMMISSIONERS, SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO TELL US WHERE THESE ROADS ARE LOCATED SO THAT AN ENGINEER CAN PREPARE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BRING THESE ROADS BACK. 
          NOW IF THIS ROAD WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, THEN YOU CAN GO BACK AND CLAIM SO OF THAT. 
          BUT THEN WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH PAYROLL AND ALL KIND OF JUST LIKE THEY WERE TALKING TO YOU EARLIER ABOUT WE DO THE SAME THING IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AS WELL. 
          WE GO BACK, WE WOULD GO TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, GET PAYROLL RECORDS AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING AND THEN FIND OUT THE EQUIPMENT WAS USED A LOT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND YOU COULD, YOU COULD ACTUALLY APPLY FOR REIMBURSEMENTS WORK. 
          IT'S ALREADY DONE. 
          IT'S A LOT CLEANER OF A PROCESS IF YOU APPLY FOR WORK THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          IT'S A LOT LESS HEADACHE ON EVERYBODY. 
          BUT IF YOU'VE GOT, IF Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT AND SPENT THAT MONEY AND YOU NEED TO RECOVER THAT MONEY BECAUSE YOU WENT OUT AND DID SOMETHING JUST TO GET THAT MONEY TO PUT THEM BACK UP AND IT WAS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY LESS GO GET IT BACK. 
          SOME OF OUR ROAD WERE OUT REINSTALL. 
          AND IF Y'ALL FEEL THAT'S THE BEST USE OF THE $350,000, IF YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THOSE DAMAGES AND THAT SORT OF THING TO ADD UP TO IT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. 
          IF YOU'VE JUST GOT SOME LOW LYING ROADS THAT IT DAMAGED BY THIS BUD AND GOTTA GET DAMAGED BY THE NEXT BLOOD, THEN THAT MIGHT BE, I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW YOUR ROAD PRECINCT BETTER THAN ANYONE DOES AND Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A UNIT ROAD. 
          EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS ARE IN CHARGE OF YOUR, DOESN'T STEVE HAVE A GOOD WORKUP OF I'M SURE HE DOES. 
          HE'S IN A MEETING. 
          HE DOES. 
          HE'S GOT ALL OF YOU. 
          I MEAN HE'S GOT, THESE ARE GOOD AS BIG GETS. 
          SO NOW THIS WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE FEMA? NO SIR, SIR THE FEMA LEMME EXPLAIN FEMA JUST THE VERY LITTLE FEMA THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN. 
          SO DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL THAT DECLARATION BACK IN MAY AND THAT CAME IN MAY IN OUR CLAIM AFTERWARDS AND DID A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT ON THEIR OWN. 
          AND THEN THAT THIS DISASTER SUMMARY OUTLINE GETS TURNS INTO A FARM DONE AS A PUBLIC DAMAGE ASSESSMENT. 
          AND THAT PDA IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOUR EMC GUY, WHY ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT PUBLIC DAMAGE ASSESSMENT IS THOSE ESTIMATES PROVIDED BY THE STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS. 
          SO THEY COME IN, YOU CAN TURN IN, I HAD $15 MILLION NO DAMAGE. 
          YOU SAY A HUNDRED, A GUY CAN COME UP HERE AND SAY YOU HAVEN'T DONE MAINTENANCE ON THIS IN 22 YEARS. 
          'CAUSE I CAN SEE THE LAST BLADE MARK RIGHT OVER THERE. 
          SO I'M NOT PAYING FOR ANYTHING. 
          THAT'S WHAT FEMA CAN DO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. 
          THEY COME OUT AND THEY ACTUALLY EVALUATE DAMAGES AND THEY BOTH DOCK DOWN LIKE A MAINTENANCE AND FOR WHATEVER, WHATEVER REASON THEY BUY. 
          I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME, A LEVY SYSTEM OUT HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FLOOD IN OBVIOUSLY DURING THESE TWO EVENTS. 
          AND IT WILL BE AN ORGANIZATIONAL NIGHTMARE TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT, ON THE LEVY SYSTEM BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S SOME PRIVATE LAND AND YOU JUST HARD, IT IS JUST HARD TO GET FEDERAL OR STATE DOLLARS ANYWHERE ON PRIVATE LAND. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON FIRE LAND. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE VERY MANY OPTIONS OUT THERE AS FAR AS TRYING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE FLOODING PROBLEMS THAT ARE CAUSED BY LEVEES THAT HAVE FAILED FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY FAILED. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD ALSO ADD A LARGE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THE DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS THAT IF YOU APPLY FOR C DP GDS  FUNDS TO GO IN AND WORK ON ROADS UNDER THE MAIN PROJECT, YOU CANNOT APPLY FOR ANY  ALSO TO WORK ON ROADS, ON THE ROADS, OTHER THINGS ALSO TO WORK ON ROADS. 
          ALL THE ONES THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR, WE CAN'T APPLY THIS THAT RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          NOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING YOU'RE THERE, THERE REALLY IS NO APPLICATION FOR FEMA, RIGHT? I MEAN, FEMA COMES IN BECAUSE THE, THE DISASTER'S BEEN DECLARED YOU, THEY TAKE INPUT FROM YOU AND THEN THEY PAY OR THEY DON'T AND THEN THEY SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          BUT ALL THE ROADS THAT THEY LOOKED AT AND WE WALK WITH 'EM AND WE TURN IN WITH EM AND WE TURN IN ON THIS. 
          CAN YOU OR YES YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN ONLY TAKE THE MONEY FROM ONE OF THE OTHER ONE THEM. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS, IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          WELL, I THOUGHT WE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT MONEY. 
          STEVE TOLD ME YOU GOT MONEY. 
          HE SAID HE SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAD 57,000 ON ONE. 
          YEAH, IT'S ALREADY BEEN ISSUED. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BEEN ISSUED 
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YET OR NOT. 
          IT WAS PAID, ONE OF 'EM WAS PAID AND THE REST OF THEM THINK IT'S IN THE HOPPER. 
          I'VE, AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING FOR US TO GET WITH YEARS. 
          AND, AND THE INSTANCES THAT SEMEN DOESN'T PAY OUT AS MUCH ARE SHOWING UP WHETHER THEY'RE NOT GETTING AS MUCH FUNDING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WOULD YOU TAKE, WANNA TAKE YOUR ODDS OF GETTING 350,000 OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCES OF NOT GETTING AS MUCH? WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM THAT YOU, IS IT FROM THE WELL, IT'S, YES SIR. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOT GRANT. 
          IT'S HUD MONEY THAT'S FILTERED DOWN TO THE STATE AND IT'S, UH, IT COMES FROM WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU APPLY IT TO THE STATE, THE STATE GIVES YOU THE MONEY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHERE IS FEMA? IT IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE, THE STATE. 
          IT GOES THROUGH THE STATE, THROUGH IT'S ALL PLACE. 
          THE STATE'S. 
          WHAT I'M ASKING, DOES IT COME FROM THE SAME BECAUSE SAME GUY'S GONNA WRITE THE CHECK HUD WELL KNOW IT COME ALL FROM I JUST SAYING, OKAY, HUD FUNDS COMMUNITY DEVELOP BLOCK RAT. 
          BLOCK RAT FEMA IS NOT FUNDED BY HUD. 
          FEMA IS FUNDED BY HOMELAND SECURITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT IS, IT IS COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUT NOT THE SAME SOURCE HUD FUNDS, CDBG. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF WE HAVE OTHER ROAD THAT WE'VE NOT, THAT WERE DAMAGED, THAT WE'VE NOT GONE TO FEMA THAT DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR FEMA OR FOR THE DECEMBER EVENT OR ANYTHING. 
          I MEAN YOU CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR EACH EVENT THAT'S DECLARED, BUT THERE IS NO DECEMBER EVENT. 
          THE PRESIDENTIAL DISASTER HAS NOT BEEN. 
          SO IF WE MAKE A A, YOU KNOW, IF I PICKED MY ROAD AND SAID, OKAY, HAMILTON TRAIL, IT WAS FLOOD AND WASHED OUT AND THEY TOOK THE DAMAGE AND THEY WENT AWAY AND I APPLIED TO BLESS, I, WE'D HAVE TO NOTIFY THEM AND SAY, CUT THAT OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, YOU WELL WHAT? YOU WOULD HAVE TO CUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU WOULD'VE TO CUT THAT OUT OF YOUR AWARD IF YOU WERE FUNDED UNDER CDBG, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CUT THAT OUT OF YOUR FEMA AWARD LETTER. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHENEVER THAT COMES. 
          WELL, SOME, SOMEHOW YOU HAVE SOMEBODY A TURNAROUND ON THIS PROJECT. 
          WHAT, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE? THE STATE? YOU'VE BEEN GIVING ANSWERS IN 90 SOMETHING DAYS ON WHETHER YOU'RE FUNDED OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN HOW DO YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU AFFECT YOUR PAYERS AND ALL THAT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COUNTIES CAN OBVIOUSLY DO THEIR OWN ROAD WORK WITHOUT AN ENGINEER AND WITHOUT GOING TO BID. 
          AND, AND THAT'S TOTALLY UP. 
          HAVE Y'ALL SPEND THE MONEY. 
          SO AFTER 90 DAYS, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN WHEN WE DO THE WORK TO SEND THE BILLS IN AND THEN A TURN OUT ON BEING REIMBURSED IS HOW LONG? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE DOING WITH A CONTRACTOR AND IF THERE'S NO ENGINEER INVOLVED. 
          NO, IF WE DO IT, IF Y'ALL DO IT ON YOUR OWN, THEN ONLY THING YOU'LL BE SUBMITTING IS UH, TIME SHEETS AND RIGHT. 
          YOU EQUIPMENT RENTAL MAYBE AND YOU KNOW, AND YOUR ROCK, WHATEVER, WHATEVER BILLS THAT YOU'RE PAYING STILL TURN BUILDING MATERIAL, TURNAROUND ABOUT WHAT TURNAROUNDS WHAT THEY SAID A MONTH MONTH EQUIPMENT. 
          IT'S NOT TOO BAD. 
          YOU GUYS DO ALL THE WRITING OF THE GROUND. 
          WE DO ALL THE MANAGEMENT, THE ENGINEERING PART THAT HAS TO GO INTO IT. 
          WELL THE IMPORTANT THING THAT WE DO IS, IS NOT THE WRITING OF THE GRANT. 
          THE IMPORTANT THING THAT WE DO IS THAT WE KEEP YOU IN GOOD GRACES WITH ALL THE REPORTS TO ALL THE REGULATORY AGENCIES OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S THE PROJECT ADMINISTRATION IS WHERE WE EARN OUR YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. 
          WE FOUND OUT YOU GOTTA STAY ON TOP OF IT, BUT THAT THE, YOUR PAYMENT COMES FROM THE GRANT. 
          OUR PAYMENT COMES FROM THE WELL AND, AND WE'RE NOT HIRED. 
          I MEAN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FACT I ATTENDED PROCUREMENT WORKSHOP YESTERDAY. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH PROCUREMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEND OUT FIVE NOTICES TO FIVE DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS THAT HEY, THIS COUNTY'S BEEN WORTH THIS MONEY, SENDING YOUR RFP TO GO MANAGE IT. 
          SAME THING LOOKING THAT WITH THE CITY. 
          SAME THING. 
          WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE ENGINEER JUST BECAUSE WE FILL OUT THE TABLE TOO AND WE FILL OUT THE APPLICATION. 
          THE COUNTY STILL HAS, AND Y'ALL HAVE WORK CONCERN WITH ROSSER ON THE PROJECT DOWN THERE AND SCURRY NOW AND CAMP, WE'RE WORKING IN THREE DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          WE DO HAVE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ENGINEER, UM, THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH OPEN PROCUREMENT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE  SO YOU'RE CRYSTAL BALL. 
          IT'S JUST A WEIRD, IT'S A WEIRD THING. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE CRYSTAL BALL WOULD BE, IF WE APPLY FOR THIS, WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE A FAIRLY DECENT CHANCE IF WE CAN GET, IF WE CAN GET THE APPLICATION IN FAIRLY QUICKLY AND WE CAN UH, YOU KNOW YES. 
          BECAUSE IT IS UNDERSUBSCRIBED RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND A LOT AND A LOT OF THE REASON IS IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL WAITING ALMOST A YEAR LATER TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HEARD SOMETHING FROM HIM BECAUSE A WHOLE LOT OF ACCOUNTS AND MONEY AND IT'S ALL COMING YESTERDAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE HE GOT SOME MORE THAT NIGHT OR SOMETHING. 
          I THINK. 
          AND I DUNNO WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL 
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IS. 
          I, HE'S GOT A WHOLE LIST AND IT'S ALL NUMBERS THAT I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. 
          WE NEED TO CHECK, I NEED TO FIGURE OUT ONE NUMBER. 
          WELL THAT'S ON A PRIORITY THOUGH. 
          THAT'S THE NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN DECEMBER. 
          WELL QUALIFY FOR DO YOU NEED TO PRESIDENTIAL INFORMATION? IT'S GOTTA BE PRESIDENTIAL. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE PRESIDENTIAL. 
          WELL, AND JUST ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU CAN CALL OUR DON'T HIRE PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH FE WELL WHAT ABOUT OUR TOO OLD? THAT'S JUST THE MITIGATION PLAN. 
          THAT'S A MITIGATION PLAN. 
          PLAN. 
          BUT I'LL SAY THAT THAT MITIGATION PLAN IS HELPING US TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE DECLARATIONS. 
          PEOPLE CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK. 
          PEOPLE ARE CALLING ALL THE TIME AT HOME. 
          PEOPLE ARE AT OUR PLACE. 
          THEY, YESTERDAY WE GOT DELIVERIES FROM STORM SIGN INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY KNOW UNDER THIS DECLARATION WE CAN APPLY FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND THIS MITIGATION. 
          AND SO EVERY COMMUNITY COMBINE CALLED, HAD SOMEONE FROM DALLAS COUNTY CALLED EVERYBODY'S CALLING AND SAYING, HEY, THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE WOODWORKS. 
          SO THAT MITIGATION PLAN HELPED BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR OTHER THINGS. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, THE CITY OF ROSS NEEDS A STORM SIGN. 
          18,000 TO COULD GO UP TO 33,000. 
          BUT WE COULD GET AN APPLICATION WRITTEN FOR $3,000 AND ALMOST GUARANTEED THAT WE COULD GET IT. 
          SO INSTEAD OF THE CITY HAVING TO PAY THAT IT BE VERSUS CAMP NEEDS ON IT, YOUR SMALL COMMUNITIES NEED HELP. 
          SO THEY WOULD PAY 3000. 
          3000. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A PERCENTAGE FEE AND SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE FUNDING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE CAN USE TO COVER THAT. 
          THE REST OF AND IS EACH ONE OF THESE DISASTERS IS DECLARED A CERTAIN PART OF THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE PUT IN TO THAT AREA OR DESIGNATED FOR HAZARD MITIGATION? YEAH, HE, SO PART OF THAT'S WHERE THAT HAZARD MITIGATION MONEY COMES FROM IS A DECLARED DISASTER IN YOUR COUNTY AND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT MONEY HAS SET DECIDED TO THEN MITIGATE FUTURE. 
          YOU KNOW, HELP OUT CAN ASK IF STEVE WERE HERE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE WE OUR WISE MM-HMM . 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT THEY, WELL MARTHA, OUR MARTHA DLE WRITE THE APPLICATION IF, IF IT IS AUTHORIZED ON MONDAY. 
          AND BELIEVE ME, SHE, I PUT THE RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY JUST IN CASE OF WHAT Y'ALL DECIDED. 
          'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA ANY FURTHER FURTHER. 
          WE CAN TAKE IT OFF IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO OR WE CAN GO FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T SEE WHAT IT HURTS TO DO. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA CROSS ANYTHING THAT STEVE'S GOT GOING WITH BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US. 
          I'LL MESS AND STEVE'S GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THAT'S, WELL OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THIS INFORMATION AND WE'RE, WE'LL HAVE TO GET THE REST OF THE INFORMATION. 
          WE, AND HE MAY BE BUGGING YOU AGAIN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE EFFECTIVE REPAIRS UNDER YOUR OWN ASSESSMENT FROM BACK IN, YOU KNOW, MAY, JUNE. 
          BUT WE, WE HAD MAKE SOME EMERGENCIES. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          MY BUT YEAH, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I AIN'T HAVE MUCH CHOICE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THESE THESE GUYS? WE APPRECIATE YOU SITTING THROUGH ALL THIS THIS MORNING. 
          I ORDER AND I SEE ON MONDAY. 
          MUCH MONDAY. 
          THANKS PAM FOR BRINGING, BRINGING THEM UP. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S GO BACK UP TO PROPERTY TAX DEFERRAL ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          YEAH, THIS AGAIN, UM, AND I VISITED WITH, SINCE SHE WAS A REALLY GOOD HELP TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE THIS TO ME. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET THESE CALLS. 
          I'M PAYING 15,000 HERE IN TAXES AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO I'LL GO IN AND I'LL PULL UP THEIR THING AND SAY, WELL LET SEE WHAT YOU ARE PAYING. 
          SO ON MY CONTINUAL WRAPS I PULL, I PULLED UP THEIR, THEIR DEAL HERE AND I SHOWED THIS TANYA, THEY PAY ZERO TAXES, UH, A COPY OF IT TO THE COUNTY. 
          TO THE COUNTY. 
          TO THE COUNTY. 
          ZERO TAX. 
          WHY THEY, WHY DO THEY PAY ZERO TAX? WELL DEFERRED TO ZERO. 
          WELL I'M GETTING, OKAY. 
          HOWEVER, THEY DO, THEY DO PAY, UH, ESD TAXES. 
          THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM OVER 65 OR ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THEN, UH, IT WAS DISTURBING. 
          I SAID, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. 
          OVER 65 THEY GOT THE HOMESTEAD EXTENSION. 
          I'LL GET THROUGH DEFERRAL IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALLGAME. 
          OKAY. 
          I WONDERED WHEN I SAW IT, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, WELL I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS SUCH A THING UNTIL I WENT OVER TO HER OFFICE AGAIN. 
          SAID, WHAT'S A DEFERRAL? SAID, THEY EXPLAINED IT TO ME. 
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SO WE'RE GETTING $0. 
          BUT EXCEPT THE D WELL THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T PAY TAXES UNTIL THEY DIE. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THEY'RE, I ALREADY KNOW. 
          BUT IT'S SEPARATE FROM ZERO TAXES. 
          THERE'S DEFERRALS AND THEN THERE'S ZERO TAXES. 
          YEAH, I GOT IT. 
          SO I, I'M RUNNING AROUND MY BRAIN SAYING, LET'S CALL IT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THEN LET'S GET OVER TO THE DEFERRAL. 
          LET'S SAY I'VE GOT A, A HOME. 
          LET'S SAY THIS HOME RIGHT HERE IS MINE AND I DIE AND MY KID MOVES IN IT AND I'M NOT GONNA TELL THE TAX OFFICE, NO, I'M NOT PAYING ANY TAXES. 
          I'M GONNA SEND THE $13 AND 14 CENTS EVERY YEAR JUST LIKE CLOCKWORK AND IT'S STILL GONNA BE AND PAY IT IN CASH . 
          AND IT'S STILL GONNA BE FILLED OUT MY DAD'S NAME. 
          THAT, THAT EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE FOUND OUT THROUGH EITHER THE WATER DEPARTMENT OR WELL, AND THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT DOES REGULAR RUNS ON WHAT THEY CALL THAT LICENSE NEXUS SYSTEM AND DEBT RESEARCH AND DEATH CERTIFICATES. 
          AND, AND THEN PEOPLE NOTIFYING 'EM. 
          'CAUSE THEY KNOW THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THEY TURN 'EM IN AND THAT'S HOW THEY FIND OUT EVENTUALLY THEY GET CANCER. 
          UNLESS THEY MOVED AND WENT TO FLORIDA AND DIED IN FLORIDA, THEN YOU'LL NEVER KNOW IT. 
          AND THEIR KIDS JUST STILL HE'D RAT OUT. 
          NO, I MEAN SERIOUSLY. 
          YOU WOULDN'T KNOW. 
          YOU REALLY WOULDN'T. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THEN YOU'D GO PAY THE WATER BILL AMAZED ME WITH THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION. 
          YOU KNOW, I LEARNED STUFF. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN I'M TRYING DEFICITS ONLY GOOD FOR OUR COUNTY. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN THE STATE. 
          YEAH. 
          MY LICENSE GOES OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, JOHN SMITH IS 300 METER KNOW THE PROBLEM, RUN INTO WITH THAT SOCIAL SECURITY, WHAT HAPPENED THERE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE THINGS, WE GOT A LOT OF JUST LOTS AND ACRES OUT THERE. 
          THERE ARE $0 AND THAT LAND HAS SOME VALUE, BUT WE TAKE ZERO FROM IT FROM ANYTHING. 
          EVEN SOME, A LOT OF THEM. 
          I MEAN NONE DSD. 
          SO HOW IS IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO WELL THERE'S NOT CORRECT. 
          AS SHE EXPLAINED, IF YOU GOT THE EXEMPTIONS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET CORRECTED. 
          YOU CAN'T. 
          SO WE JUST, OUR REVENUE IS SO DOWN BECAUSE OF BUT THIS WAS COMPLAINING AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN PAYING ANY ROAD THAT YEAH. 
          HOW MANY WOULD YOU ESTIMATE WE HAVE LIKE THIS? OH, I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE UM, 45 ACCOUNTS THAT ARE JUST ZERO TAXES. 
          HOW MANY? HOW MANY? 45 FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY. 
          THEY'RE JUST ZERO TAXES. 
          45 CO. 
          BUT WE HAVE 242 THAT ARE DEFERRED. 
          OKAY. 
          242. 
          AND AND THAT AMOUNTS TO A LOT LESS MONEY THAN YOU WOULD THINK THAT ANNUALLY. 
          NOW IT'S ADDING UP EACH YEAR. 
          BUT LIKE THIS YEAR IT AMOUNTS TO RIGHT AT $52,000. 
          YEAH. 
          IN DEFERRALS, WHICH SOMEDAY WE MAY COLLECT IF AS PEOPLE WELL GIVE, GIVE TELL AN EXAMPLE YOU GAVE ME OTHER DAY ABOUT THE LADY. 
          OH, MY FIRST MONTH IN OFFICE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE LADY CAME IN AND SHE WAS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE TAXES. 
          WELL WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE USUAL THING, THEY DON'T WANNA TELL ANYBODY THEIR PARENT DIED. 
          SO SHE HAD WAITED OVER SIX MONTHS, WHICH IN THE FIRST 180 DAYS, IF YOU TELL THAT YOUR PARENT DIED AND YOU INHERITED THEIR HOME, BUT WE CAN SAY IF YOU PAY OFF THESE TAXES IN THIS 180 DAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ALL THE FAMILIES OF INTEREST. 
          SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          SO SHE DIDN'T TELL. 
          SO IT WAS LIKE EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE SHE TOLD THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND THE TAX OFFICE. 
          AND SHE CALLS ME AND HER TAXES NOW ARE $90,000 AND IT'S GONNA BE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, $96,000. 
          AND FORTUNATELY FOR HER, HER FATHER LEFT HER A HOME THAT WAS VALUED AT $350,000. 
          BUT IT WAS AT A TIME THREE YEARS AGO WHEN NOBODY WAS BUYING, SHE COULDN'T SELL IT. 
          SHE HAD TO END UP SELLING IT ON A FIRE SALE. 
          BASICALLY PRICES JUST TO PAY THE BACK TAXES. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DEFER AND DEFER, DEFER AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO YOUR HEIRS. 
          YOURS, YOU'RE SEPARATE TAXES. 
          AND THAT IS AN ISSUE. 
          BUT THAT'S, WE EXPLAIN THAT TO EVERYBODY WHEN, WHO WANTS A DEFERRAL? WE DO. 
          AND BEFORE WE SEND 'EM TO THE APPRAISAL OFFICES, THEY HAVE TO DO IT IN THE APPRAISAL OFFICE. 
          I'M SURE EXPLAINS IT TO 'EM TOO. 
          WHAT IS THE GUIDELINES THAT QUALIFY YOU FOR A DEFERRAL? HE'S 65 YEARS OLD. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          IF YOU'RE 65 YEARS OLD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ANYMORE. 
          WHAT, WHAT SOME PEOPLE DO, AND I LIKE THIS, THIS IDEA, WE JUST, IF THEY'RE IFFY ON THEIR, MAYBE THEY'RE LIVING ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND THEY'RE NOT, OR A LOWER INCOME. 
          THEY GO GET THEIR DEFERRAL, BUT THEY CONTINUE TO PAY AS MUCH OF THEIR TAXES AS THEY CAN, KNOWING THAT IF THEY FALL BEHIND ONE MONTH AND CAN'T MAKE IT, THEN THEY CAN, THAT THEY CAN GO ON BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE DEFERRAL. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA COME AFTER 'EM. 
          TAKE THEIR HOME AWAY FROM 'EM. 
          THEM LIVE THERE. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT GOES OUT WRONG WITH THAT. 
          NO. 
          AND THE PEOPLE PAYING ZERO TAXES, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN, THEY'RE LAYING IN THEIR HOME AND IS WORTH LIKE 25,000 BUCKS. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THEY, AND THEY'RE LIVING USUALLY ON SOCIAL. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT WITH A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          USUALLY THAT HAS A ZERO TAX. 
          YES. 
          IT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I RUN 
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ACROSS ALL THE TAXES WE'RE LOSING OVER YEARS. 
          WELL THAT'S WHY IT PAYS THE RESEARCH WHENEVER SOMEBODY, UH, SAYS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, NOT, AND IT IS NOT THAT THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG. 
          NO, THEY, IT IS UNDERSTANDING. 
          THIS IS ALL ABOVE BOARD. 
          SO IT LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE THIS PERSON WOULD'VE PAID $9 AND 78 CENTS IN WROTE BREACH TAX, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          ALL SOME NO, I KNOW ROAD. 
          IT WOULDN'T BEEN LESS FAR. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THEY BOUGHT A GALLON OF DIESEL FOR THE ROAD GRADER TO GO IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. 
          SO I MEAN AT LEAST ANYWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST TO COME INFORMATION THEY WANTED. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          INTERESTING. 
          I WASN'T REALLY AWARE OF IT. 
          NOW THAT WE'RE 65, I APPROACHED WE EVERYBODY'S, I'VE SET EXAMPLE FOR YOU PAY SOMEBODY OUGHT TREAT US LIKE I TREAT MY KIDS. 
          YOU, YOU, I JUST, YOU I YOU CAN ADOPT ME AND, AND TAKE CARE OF MY, GET MY OWN CELL PHONE. 
          HOW'D YOU DO THAT? AIN'T DONE IT YET. 
          MAYBE YOU DO SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          I'M GONNA FIGURE IT OUT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S UH, ANY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT? THAT WOULD BE ING I THINK THE LAST THING WE HAVE COVERED THIS ALSO, JACOB. 
          OH YEAH. 
          WE DISCUSSED PUTTING ROCK BEHIND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WHERE THE RADIO POWER GONNA BE. 
          WELL THEY CAN, BUT THEY KNOW IF WE WANT TO TAKE YOUR OVER C ROAD AND SAVE MONEY AND STICK BACK THERE. 
          UH, WHAT DID I NEED? WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROCK OVER THERE. 
          YOU MEAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WRAP ROCK OVER THERE? THERE'S SOME STUFF OVER THERE THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF STUFF OVER IN ALL ROCK. 
          HOW MUCH FOOD THEY NEED. 
          DON STILL GETTING IN THAT BACK PILE OVER THERE AND THAT'S PRETTY DECENT STUFF OVER THERE. 
          PUT THAT ON THERE. 
          USE IT REAL. 
          WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THIS CONCRETE THAT THE 34 OUT HERE KEEPS SAYING THAT THEY HAVE? DO WE NEED ANY OF IT? WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? TALKING ABOUT IT? I KNOW BOBBY KEEPS SAYING HIS UNCLE OR SOMEBODY RUNNING IT SHOW THE BYPASS. 
          THEY SAID THEY GOT ON THIS CONCRETE, THEY DUNNO IF WE WANT ANY OF, I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          CONCRETE RUFFLE. 
          AND HE SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT IT. 
          HE SAID DIDN'T ASK YOU. 
          I SAID WELL IT MUST BE TOO BIG. 
          YOU NEED TO ASK HIM ABOUT IT. 
          ANYTHING. 
          IT'S ON THE BYPASS, THE WHATEVER. 
          THEY'RE UP AROUND C YEAH, I, ANYWAY, THEY JUST NEED WHOEVER, WHOEVER THEY'RE INSTALLING AT THE TOWER, THEY NEED ABLE GET TRUCKS IN UNDER BAD WEATHER AND SO GO AND GET SOMETHING SOMEWHERE. 
          I DUNNO THAT PAN, I FINALLY GOT THE PERMIT FOR THE TOWER. 
          THEY HAD TO GET THE INDIAN TRIBE TO SIGN OFF ON IT. 
          INDIAN IS THERE A BURIAL INDIAN? WHY DOES THE INDIAN NATION OR WHOEVER IT IS, IT'S BECAUSE ON LANDS LIKE THAT, IF THERE'S ANY ARTIFACTS OR BARRIERS AROUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE TO GO UP CLEAR. 
          CLEAR FOR OF A TOWER. 
          UH, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING I THOUGHT. 
          BUT I THINK THEY FINALLY GOT THAT DONE NOW. 
          SO THEY'RE READY TO THE RED TOWER. 
          ANYWAY, JUST WHATEVER Y'ALL THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT. 
          WELL THERE'S SOME BASE MATERIAL AT THE CUL ROAD. 
          COME IN FRONT THERE ON LEFT THAT WHATEVER WE CAN USE ON UP. 
          WHERE YOU GETTING RIGHT NOW? WELL THAT'S BACK. 
          THERE'S, THAT'S A WRAP BACK THERE. 
          WELL, PILES GOT, CAN YOU EVEN GET TO THAT LOCK STUFF WHERE YOU BEEN GETTING SOME? SO WHO'S, CAN YOU FIND OUT HOW MANY LOADS OR KIND OF FIND OUT WHAT NEEDS TO I WE OVER MEASURE BUT I DUNNO WHAT OH, THAT'S COUNTY PROPERTY. 
          YEAH, WE CALL IT IT WITH, IT'S A PRETTY PRETTY STRETCH. 
          I THINK I CAN GO LOOK, I HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED. 
          TIM MOORE CALLED ME. 
          IT'S PRETTY DO SOMETHING. 
          I SAID YEAH, WE CAN DO SOMETHING. 
          THIS IS PRETTY WELL TIM MOORE STILL THINKS I VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET 'CAUSE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ALWAYS GOT THE SAME RAISE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DID. 
          WELL ANYWAY, HE'S NOT GONNA CONTACT. 
          BUT HOW, HOW FAR IS IT? DO YOU REMEMBER? I IT'S LESS THAN 500 FEET. 
          300 FEET JUST AIN FAR. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, I THINK, I THINK THAT FLOW RIGHT INSIDE THAT GATE, THAT OLD BASEMENT TILE TO THE LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK 
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THINK THAT I NEED GET IN LOOKING GOOD. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN DON'T MEAN THAT AWAY. 
          I THINK THAT THAT MATERIAL ON THE FRONT. 
          YEAH, DON'T LOOK AT IT SPREAD. 
          WELL THEY'VE GOT A TRACTOR AND A BOX PLATE OVER. 
          THEY DO THEIR OWN SPREAD. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          JUST MATTER GETTING THE ROCK. 
          JUST GET DUMP ROCK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO EVERYBODY OKAY? YEAH, WE DON'T WE'LL WE'LL HELP 'EM HAUL IT OVER THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          I IT, I KNEW THEY HAD A FUND OR SOMETHING. 
          THEY SAID THEY WERE BUY ROCK. 
          WELL IF THEY HAD TO BUY SAID THEY HAD USE, THEY GOT ABOUT THAT STILL WAS IN, UH, THAT WE GOT REIMBURSED I BELIEVE FROM KAREN. 
          NOT IN HERE. 
          I REIMBURSED SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT. 
          THEY REIMBURSED STORM AND WHAT WE'RE AND ALSO THAT PARKING LOT. 
          ISN'T THAT, ISN'T THAT SIDEWALK ? OH THAT ALWAYS IT IT, EVEN AFTER ABOUT OTHER ISSUES PUT HER DOWN. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          ARMY. 
          OH, YOU TALKING THE ARMY? YEAH. 
          IN FRONT OF THE ARMOR. 
          YEAH. 
          WE INSTRUMENT OUT AND SHOOT SOME GRAVE. 
          WE NEED TO BLACK OUT THAT. 
          OH. 
          UH, SPEAKING OF DONATIONS, THE UH, CAN SHOW THEY WANTED SAND AND I THOUGHT I DON'T HAVE ANY BUT I CALLED TAKE MONEY. 
          THEY SAID THEY WOULD BRING SOME BUT THEY'VE NOT YET. 
          THEY WERE BROUGHT, I TALKED TO DONATION. 
          THEY'RE DO. 
          ISN'T THERE SOME TYPE OF BARBECUE TOMORROW? THEY ALWAYS HAVE A BARBECUE CONTEST DOWN THERE. 
          SATURDAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SATURDAY NIGHT THERE'S FFA. 
          OH YEAH, THE SCHOOL ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S AT THE SCHOOL. 
          OH IT'S THE, THEY GOT, THEY GOT DIFFICULT. 
          SAME TIME. 
          SAME COFFEE. 
          ALRIGHT, GET YOUR ANSWERED PETE AND ANOTHER DISCUSSION OVER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GUESS ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? I GUESS WE JUST NEED TO GO OUT HERE, DO A ARMY AND MAKE SURE WE GET THAT THING SET UP REALLY GOOD. 
          AND GET YOUR LAY DOWN MACHINE AND TAPE THE OTHER, THE THING IN FRONT OF THE ARMORY, I KNOW WE'RE MAYBE DRIFTING OFF HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE WATER LINE THAT SERVE THE ARMORY COMES FROM UH, HOUSTON STREET. 
          AND UH, IT'S NOT VERY ABOVE GROUND. 
          I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S I THINK A TWO INCH LINE OR, AND IT BUST SUMMER SOMETIMES. 
          YEAH, PAUL. 
          AND THIS WILL GO OUT THERE AND IT, IT, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED BEFORE WE COME IN THERE AND OVER. 
          OH, EXACTLY. 
          THERE. 
          AND THERE'S NO STEEL IN THAT DRIVEWAY, IN THAT PARKING LOT. 
          IT'S JUST THICK CONCRETE. 
          GOOD. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT PAUL AND THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW BOBBY'S WOULD, DID OR NOT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, GET A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          SO , IT SHOULD BE READY. 
          OH IT IS? OKAY.
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