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TO THE ORDER.OUR, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, UH, OUR ATTORNEYS ARE NOT HERE AT PRESENT TIME, BUT, UH, THEY SHOULD BE HERE MOMENTARILY.
AND THE, UH, FIRST ITEM, UH, IS DEALING WITH AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY OF CAUTION.
AND SO WE'LL WAIT A LITTLE BIT UNTIL UH, THEY GET HERE.
KAREN, COMING IN NOW, JUST FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW, THIS IS A, UH, A WORKSHOP MEETING.
UH, KAREN, IF YOU WANT, COME UP HERE.
THIS IS, YEAH, WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
THERE WILL BE NO ACTION TAKEN TODAY WE'RE THIS DISCUSSING ITEMS THAT WILL AFFECT, UH, OUR, UH, BUDGET AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANNING OF IT.
AND AS YOU NOTICE, WE'VE GOT, UH, SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE DID PUT A, AN ENDING TIME ON THE AGENDA TODAY OF TWO O'CLOCK.
CALL A COUPLE OF OUR COMMERS HAVE A MEETING SHIFT, CAROL AT THREE.
I BELIEVE WE GIVE TIME TO GET OVER.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL MOVE PRETTY RAPIDLY.
BUT, BUT WE DO WANT TO HEAR, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE HERE THAT, UH, ARE TALKING, UH, WANT TO DISCUSS WITH THE COURT.
UH, THERE WERE BUDGET REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR, AND, UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, TO DISCUSS ENTERING INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF KAUFMAN, UH, FOR CITY MAY LEASE A PORTION OF THE COUNTY'S SOUTH CAMPUS BUILDING AND LAND SPACE FOR THE DURATION OF ONE YEAR, UH, WITH THE OPTION OF MONTH TO MONTH OF LEASING THEREAFTER.
AND MR. SLY, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE THIS MORNING AND, UH, THE CITY MANAGER COFFEE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS A TIME OR TWO IN THE PAST, AND I BELIEVE THE CITY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO START THE LEASE AS OF AUGUST 1ST.
IS THAT STILL YOUR INTENTION? YEAH, YOU CAN COME ON UP, FIND THE CHAIR FOR YOU.
I DON'T UNDERSTANDING, UH, I HOPE THAT I HAVE PROVIDED EVERYBODY, UH, SOME RENDERINGS.
AND, AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF THOSE AND THERE'S SOME OBVIOUS BLANKS THERE THAT NEED BE NEGOTIATE.
UM, UH, AND BASICALLY WHERE, WHERE WE STAND IS, UH, THE JUDGE AND I HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS AS, AS I DID WITH, UH, REBECCA AND KAREN ABOUT, UH, THE LEASE ARRANGEMENTS.
AND, AND, UH, I, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE, THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HAD A DISCUSSION.
YOU GUYS COLLECTIVELY APPROVED, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1500 SQUARE FEET OF, OF OFFICE SPACE THAT IS, HAS BECOME VACANT AND, AND CAN BE USED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.
AND EVERYBODY, THERE'S DRAWING IN HERE FLOOR PLAN, UH, THAT HAS BEEN CHECKED TO SEE WHAT, AND WE HAVE, HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT AND KIND IDENTIFIED WHAT KIND OF OFFICE FUNCTION CAN BE ASSIGNED TO THAT.
AND IT'S ALL ADMINISTRATIVE MUNICIPAL COURT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
MY ENGINEER WOULD, WOULD BE THERE.
I WOULD BE THERE IN MY ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.
AND YOUR COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE HELD IN THE COURTROOM.
UM, IS THAT WHAT YOUR STILL PROBABLY MY COMMITTEE, MY DZ OKAY.
THE ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETINGS WE'RE GONNA CONVENE IN THE SCHOOL TRUSTEE BOARD.
THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ALL OF THE AV SUPPORT AND ALL THAT.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE GOING END UP BEING, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THE, THE NEW JOINT FACILITY, I SUSPECT I'M GONNA NEED AD SUPPORT.
AND THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO IS BRING IN AD WELL, HAPPY FOR YOU TO INSTALL THAT IF I DIDN'T HAVE TO.
GLOCK COULD THAT IN
HERE'S, HERE'S, UH, SO, SO THAT'S ONE LEG.
THE OTHER LEG WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, I NEEDED TO FIND A PLACE FOR THE PD.
WE, WE IDENTIFIED A, UH, TEMPORARY BUILDINGS.
UH, THERE WAS FIVE SEPARATE, UH, 60 FOOT WIDE, UH, 60 FOOT LONG BY 12 FOOT WIDE, UH, TRAILERS THAT ARE ALL TIED TOGETHER.
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UH, AND IT'S ALL SAID DOWN.IT'S 3,360 SQUARE FEET, UH, OF AN OFFICE BUILDING.
IT WOULD BE DEDICATED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE PEOPLE, AND THEY WOULD'VE, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN
SO THEY NEED TO BE SET ASIDE SPECIFICALLY FOR THEMSELVES.
AND, UH, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER ALLOWING US TO POSITION THAT BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT.
AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A, I DIDN'T BRING, THERE YOU GO.
THEY CAN SEE WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THAT, UH, AND HAVE A SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT THERE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT, IN FACT, IT'S, THAT'S A SQUARE THERE.
AND WE WOULD BRING ALL THE UTILITIES TO THAT BUILDING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THAT PARKING BECOMES, UH, IF THE PARK, IF THE EXISTING PARKING IS NOT ACTIVE, WE WOULD PUT ANOTHER TEMPORARY PARKING IN THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE OVERLOAD.
UH, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE SOME CPS COURT DATES THAT MIGHT ENCROACH ON THAT, THE PARKING CAPACITY.
UH, SO IF WE NEED TO PUT IN, UH, YOU KNOW, A TEMPORARY PARKING AREA, WE'LL DO THAT.
UH, WE RUN ALL THE UTILITIES TO IT.
UH, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, JOINTNESS, UH, TO, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THERE ACROSS THE PARKING LOT TIMES.
UH, AND, AND CERTAINLY IT IS ACCESS TO THE, TO OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE ON
THIS, THIS PARKING LOT, LOT BACK.
IS THAT WHERE, UH, QUESTION WE, WE'VE TALKED WITH RANDY AND RIGHT NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME EXISTING, UH, EQUIPMENT THERE THAT'S DUE TO BE RELOCATED, IS THAT RIGHT? RANDY SOLD.
SO IF THAT FREES UP, RIGHT, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, WE DON'T MIND USING THAT FOR, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING, HOW MANY THAT WAY WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PD.
WELL GET YOU MEAN BRING, WELL, AGAIN, THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHERE UTILITY, I MEAN, I GONNA SEND MY GUIDE OUT AND DETERMINE WHERE WE GOTTA RUN UTILITIES FROM TO GET TO THE, TO GET TO THAT BUILDING AND THEN IT ACCESSIBILITY OBVIOUSLY TO BE ABLE TO, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE SECURE.
RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, THAT WAS A NOTIONAL AREA, RIGHT? JUST TO KIND OF GET THE, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH US POSITIONING THAT SOMEWHERE ON THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO BE SECURE WHERE WE'RE AT AND SECURE OUR, OUR VEHICLES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND, AND, AND IF IT MAKES SENSE, WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY, BETTER OFF YOU MIGHT BE.
RIGHT? UH, IT'S, BUT THOSE ARE THE DIMENSIONS BASICALLY IS, WHAT DID I SAY? 66 AND, AND THE BUILDING ITSELF, I GOT PICTURES OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, UH, I WENT OUT THERE FRIDAY, IT'LL BE NICE.
UH, AND IT IS A TEMPORARY FACILITY FOR, YOU KNOW, 14 MONTHS OR SO.
UH, WHILE THEY'RE, WHILE THE PERMANENT BUILDING BEING BUILT, UM, IN TERMS OF A LEASE ARRANGEMENT, THE JUDGE AND I TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FAIR, WHAT'S NOT FAIR, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND, AND HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE REALITY.
UH, THE CITY HAS ALREADY SPENT $12,000 TO SECURE, UH, HISTORICAL AUDIT OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.
AND I'VE GOT ADOPTION OF THIS FACEBOOK, OF, OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, RELEVANCE OF THE DOWNTOWN
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SQUARE.IN ADDITION, WE ARE, UH, WE'RE WITHIN WEEKS OF SECURING A CONTRACT, UH, THAT WILL PUT $105,000 OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY INTERIOR TO YOUR PROPERTY ON THE SQUARE.
AND GENTLEMEN, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
THE DRAWING THAT I SENT, UH, THE DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE PROPERTY OR THE DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE PROJECT, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY ONE POINT AT THIS POINT, $1.6 MILLION PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE LED BY AUGUST 31ST.
IT IS JUST CLEARED THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION'S HURDLE.
SO WE ARE, UH, GOOD TO GO, TO GO OUT AND FORBID IT HAS TO BE LET BY AUGUST 31ST.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT HURDLE.
IT WAS A HUGE HURDLE, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
YOU JUST WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE VESTIGO UP FRONT.
WE'RE STILL COMMISSION, I GOTTA TELL YOU, THEY HAVE KAUFMAN COURTHOUSE ON THEIR FRONT FURNITURE.
UH, SO WE CLEARED THAT HURDLE.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD FOR TABLE AND WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, GOING OUT FOR BID BID.
SO THE SIDEWALKS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YEAH.
AND THE RAMPS AND WHATEVER IT INCLUDE WOULD BE THE BUMP OUTS, THE LANDSCAPE, THE IRRIGATION, ALL THAT KIND OF BUSINESS.
THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION DID LIMIT US TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR FOOT WIDE.
SO SIDEWALKS AROUND YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? WE HAD FIVE OR SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS.
UH, BUT THEY SAID, NO, YOU CAN ONLY DO FOUR.
THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODING BUILDING.
UH, SO, BUT YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE BUMP OUTS, YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE LANDSCAPE, YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE PLANTERS, YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS, ALL OF WHICH WILL BE PAID FOR BY, UH, WE, WE RECEIVED A, I DON'T WANNA SAY TOKEN, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT GRANT, NOT A, BUT A ENHANCEMENT, UH, INITIATIVE FROM THE TECH STOCK TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 400,000, BUT THE REST OF IS PAID FOR BY THE CITY AND ITS CITIZENS.
UH, SO I WOULD OFFER THAT IN EXCHANGE FOR OFFICE SPACE FOR 14 MONTHS.
THE ONLY COMMENT I'M GONNA MAKE IS, IS ON ALL OF THIS, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS, UH, OR THE SHERIFF BY LAW IS STATUTORILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SECURITY OF THE COURTHOUSE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH YOU SEEING AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION, MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT COMPROMISES, UH, A BUILDING THAT OBVIOUSLY IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE JUST MAKE SURE OPERATIONALLY WILL, UH, THE, THE CONTRACTOR ONCE THE, UH, BREAK GROUND WILL HAVE TO, UH, WORK IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE SECURITY AND OPERATIONS OF THE, DOES EVERYBODY KIND OF SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? I MEAN, THAT'S THE OTHER THINGS WE MAY TRY TO SCHEDULE NEXT YEAR TO, UH, CLEAN UP THE COURTHOUSE.
WE, I GET BACK FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS WHAT WE INTENDED WELL HERE FROM THE TIMING PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT LED BY THE END OF AUGUST.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE NOTICE TO PROCEED BY THAT.
UH, AND FRANKLY, THE, THE SCARECROW FESTIVAL FOLKS, THE CHAMBER IS ANXIOUS TO, FOR US TO KIND OF DRAG OUR HEELS A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE SCARE.
UM, AND, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY END UP DOING THAT SO THAT PROBABLY BY ONE NOVEMBER YOU'LL SEE US, BRETT.
UH, AND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT INITIALLY, IT EXTENDED INTO THE, THE FINGERS OFF THE SQUARE,
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UH, ALL FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT, AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE COST OF OF THE PROJECT, WE ARE LIMITING IT TO THE ACTUAL SQUARE ITSELF.AND THIS SQUARE, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WON'T BE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE LIKE YOU HAVE IT TODAY, IT'LL BE A SQUARE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUMP OUTS, AND IT'LL REALLY BE NICE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
WILL YOU CLOSE DOWN ANY OTHER SQUARE TOILET OR TRAFFIC? WELL, THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE A, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL BE A DIS A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH THE CONTRACTORS ITSELF.
AND TDO AND TDO WILL BE INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO CLOSE THE ENTIRE ENTIRE SEGMENT OF THE SQUARE.
WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
SO WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? YOU START NOVEMBER ONE, WHAT'S YOUR GUESS IS GONNA BE COMPLETED AT POINT? GONNA DO COMES, UM, I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO THIS KNIFE IS 105,000 THAT'S OUT OF POCKET COSTS.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOME OF THOSE, THAT'S THE PROJECT OUT COSTS.
BUT IS THAT NOT COMING FROM SOME OF THE GRANT MONEY THAT WELL, I MEAN, IT ALL GOES IN THE SAME POT.
I MEAN, AT ONE IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, MY QUESTION IS, IF IF THIS IS BEING PAID BY SOME GRANT MONEY AND Y'ALL ARE ALL S GONNA END UP PAYING 339,000 TO TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND, AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST RIGHT NOW IS 1.6, THE CITY'S PAYING THE OTHER REST.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS COMING OUTTA THE CITY'S POCKET FOR ALL THE, THE, THE BIGGER PORTION OF THE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, IT GETS PAID ON A PROPORTIONAL BASIS.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COURT AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF THE PORTABLE BILLING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BE DETERMINED AS, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE HAPPY, I MEAN, IF YOU SUPPORT THE IDEA OF PUTTING IT OUT ON THE SOUTH CAMPUS PROPERTIES, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO PUT IT IN THE MOST SECURE AREA.
UH, IF IT MAKES SENSE, TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD TODAY.
YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS PUT REVISIT LOCATION THE, OKAY.
UH, LADIES, WHICH ONE OF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED WE WE'RE, WE THIS ON AGENDA FOR ACTION? SO KAREN, IF YOU OR ON THAT HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT? MAINLY THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT TO DISCUSS WITH IT.
IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE IN THE STANDARD TERMS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY'S HAD A CHANCE TO RUN IT PAST OUR COUNCIL YET, BUT NO, IT'S ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE 25TH AS WELL THAT EVENING.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAD FROM YOU GUYS WAS AS FAR AS CONFIRMING THE FINAL, UM, SECTION OF THE BUILDING AND SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU WANTED TO USE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, ROOMS WITHIN THE EXHIBIT THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT USE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE GREEN ONES HIGHLIGHTED ARE THE CONFIRMED ONES.
AND, AND THE ONE NEXT TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM WE WOULD NEED, AND THEN THE BLUE WOULD BE SHARED AND THEN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WOULD BE A SHARED SPACE.
WHERE DID RANDY GO? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CON THE CONFERENCE ROOM WOULD BE JUST A SCHEDULED KIND OF RANDY EXTENSIVELY AND LOCATING THE ROOMS AND, UH, KIND OF THE RESIDENT EXPERT OUT THERE.
I GUESS THAT THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT, UM, I KNOW JUDGE WOOD HAD COMMUNICATED BACK TO ME IF YOU GUYS NEEDED SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND I JUST KIND OF PUT IN SOME TEMPORARY LANGUAGE DEPENDING ON IF YOU GUYS LIKED IT OR NOT, THAT BASICALLY JUST SAID, UM, TENANT WILL PAY FOR THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO PUT IN THE WINDOW IN THE FRONT ROOM.
UM, BUT THAT COUNTY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT MAINTENANCE AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD SUBMIT OUR PLAN AND BUDGET COSTS FOR IT TO THE CITY FIRST AND THEN THEY WOULD APPROVE IT AND COMPLETE IT.
AND, AND OR INITIALLY WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD
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LIKE TO HAVE, UH, THAT AREA AVAILABLE ONE AUGUST AND WE KIND OF PUSHED THAT TIMELINE BACK BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET, WE CAN'T GET OUR STUFF IN ORDER TO, TO START THAT UNTIL ONE SEPTEMBER.SO THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DISCUSS IS WHEN YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY START THE LEASE TERM AND THE CONSTRUCTION IF YOU WANT THEM TO COINCIDE OR IF YOU WANT ONE TO GO BEFORE THE OTHER, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, THE COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, THE REASON, SO ONE AUGUST IS NOT, IT CAN BE ONE I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH ONE THAT GIVES A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
BUT I'M STILL JULY 25TH, I'M PREPARED TO PUT THE LEASE IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.
IF, IF WE CAN WORK OUT THE ARRANGEMENT, WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THERE ARE HARDLY LEFT TO WORK OUT OTHER THAN THE ACTUAL CONSIDERATION AMOUNT.
SO JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
THE LEASE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH MY PROPOSAL TO FORCE TRADE THE PROJECT FOR, FOR THE LEASE AMOUNT
AND THEN, WELL, KAREN AND I TALKED A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED THE ACTUAL CONSIDERATION TO BE AND HOW MUCH WE WANT TO INCLUDE, UM, IN THE LEASE.
AND I THINK WE JUST WANT TO BASE IT ON A MONTHLY, UH, AMOUNT VERSUS INCLUDING THE, UM, I GUESS IN THE PACKET THAT YOU GUYS GOT, THERE'S THE, UM, PROJECT PLAN FOR AROUND THE COURTHOUSE AND WE WERE THINKING JUST KEEP THE LEASE SIMPLE AND DO A MONTHLY LEASE AMOUNT.
NO, I HAVE THAT IN THERE FOR, YEAH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE LEASE IS VALID.
AND TO BE HONEST, THERE'S KIND OF A QUESTION ABOUT THAT PROJECT WITH BEING ADEQUATE CONSIDERATION AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT STRICTLY FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, WE THINK IT'S BETTER PROBABLY JUST KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE AND KEEP THAT PART OUT HERE.
SHOULDN'T THAT BE AT A REASONABLE, UM, FAIR MARKET VALUE? IT IT SHOULD DEFINITELY.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LEASE AMOUNT? YES MA'AM.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RECORD THIS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SORT OF SPEAKING TO THE ISSUE OF.
IT'S GOTTA BE A FAIR MARKET AMOUNT ON WHAT THE PARTIES AGREE TO AND YOU A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UM, THE COMPS IN HEARING, THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE HARDLY ANY FOR THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
SO THAT AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY LOWER THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR IT BE THIS TYPE OF BUILDING.
THEN WOULD THE COUNTY BE WILLING THEN TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR WORK PERFORMED AROUND THE COUNTY PROPERLY FOR THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AT THE SAME AMOUNT? I RUN THAT BACK IN.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA CHARGE THE CITY FOR THE, I MEAN, WHAT MY PROPOSAL WAS WAS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VALUE INTO YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER REIMBURSING THE CITY FOR THAT WORK AT THAT LEVEL? WHATEVER FAIR MARKET VALUE WOULD BE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THE, AROUND YOUR PROPERTY? I GUESS I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE CITY WAS STILL OFFERING OR LOOKING TO GET THE AMOUNT TO A MONTH FOR THE LEASE.
WAS THAT NO LONGER ON THE TABLE? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
WELL, THAT THERE WOULD STILL BE A MONTHLY LEASE OR, OR MONTHLY QUARTERLY LEASE OR YOU WANT TO DO IT IN ADDITION TO THE WORK THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO AROUND THE COURT SQUARE AND, UH, I MEAN THAT WAS MY, WAS THAT WAS, WE WERE JUST FROM OUR MEETING.
I MEAN, THE FIRST THING THAT WHEN WE MET, THE FIRST THING I I SUGGESTED TO YOU GUYS WAS WE'RE PUTTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VALUE INTO THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE PROJECTS THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE PROPERTY THAT YOUR COURTHOUSE AND THE CITY.
AND WE'RE NOT ASKING ANY MONEY FROM THE COURT, FROM THE COUNTY TO, TO DO THAT.
AND IN EXCHANGE WE WOULD LIKE TO RENT OR LEASE OFFICE SPACE FOR 14 MONTHS.
ARE YOU GOING THAT TO OUR CONVERSATION WITH YOU? YEAH, IN MY OFFICE.
BUT THEN THAT CONVERSATION WE TALKED ABOUT IN AGREED AMOUNT FROM LEASE AMOUNT RIGHT? THEN, THEN WE WENT OFF AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT LEASE BALANCE AND THAT.
SO WE MAY HAVE A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT, BUT NOW I'M, I'M PAYING YOU A LEASE AMOUNT AND I'M ASKING YOU THEN TO CONSIDER
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105,000.NO, I'M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR THAT.
I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF I'M PAYING YOU $5 A FOOT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR $1,500, 1500 SQUARE FEET FOR 14 MONTHS, WHATEVER THAT WORKS OUT TO BE, PAY THAT TO, TO THE CITY AND IT WILL BE SOMETHING LESS THAN $105,000.
IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 15 TO $18,000 FOR WORK AROUND THE COURTHOUSE SQUARE.
MAKE IT MAKE IT SO THAT YOU KNOW, SHE CAN BOOK IT.
AND WE'LL PAY YOU A LEASE AMOUNT AND YOU GUYS AGREE TO, TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE PROJECT THAT THE SAME AMOUNT AND WE CALL GOOD.
YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT THAT I REMEMBER DISCUSSING AND KAREN AND REBECCA TO HELP ME REMEMBER, UH, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A DOLLAR AND 10 CENTS PER FOOT.
IS THAT, UH, WHAT WE WERE AROUND 15, 15 A MONTH SOMEWHERE ALONG INCLUDE THE COST FACILITIES THAT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY ALREADY PAYING.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU TALK ABOUT THAT 10 MONTHS IS, UH, $15,000, 12 MONTHS IS 18,000.
AND SO, UH, AND THEN ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS AFTER THAT, WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO IS FOR US ONCE TO GIVE YOU CREDIT BACK TOWARDS THE $5,000 WORTH OF WORTH.
IS THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT? YEAH.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I CAN'T VOTE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'LL GIVE THE ATTORNEY SOMETHING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THAT NUMBER, WHEN HE, WHEN JUDGE WOOD DISCUSSED THAT WITH US, HE WAS FACTORING IN THE STREET PROJECT.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A VERY LOW MONTHLY PRICE WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE FOR FOOTAGE.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY PLAN, REBECCA, YOU CAN GO TO THE, YOU, YOU CAN GO TO FAIR MARKET VALUE.
I DON'T CARE YOU CAN DO $5 A FOOT OR THAT'S WHAT I'M PAYING FOR THE, FOR THE TEMPORARY BUILDING IS $5 A FOOT.
BUT WE'RE, I MEAN WE'RE LOOKING AT A MUCH LOWER PRICE THAN THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER WHAT WE SAY.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS THAT IF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AGREEABLE TO TURNING AROUND AND PROVIDING THE CITY BACK THE MONEY FOR THE DOWNTOWN STREET ESCAPEE PROJECT, SO IT'S AN EVEN WASH, USE WHATEVER NUMBER YOU WANT.
I JUST, I DON'T, KIM AND I HAVEN'T MADE THAT CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME OR FACTORED THAT INTO OUR ANALYSIS.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE SOURCE OF INCOME AND WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM SO WE CAN GET THAT TO OUR AUDITOR AND SEE IF THEY IS INVITED OUT AND SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT GRANT MONEY IS GOING WHERE AND UM, WHAT THAT ENTIRE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE.
'CAUSE AT THIS POINT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FUNDING SPECIFICS OF IT, SO I DON'T WANT TO OBLIGATE THE COUNTY TO ANYTHING.
WE'VE GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
DO YOU AGREE ON THE BUSINESS PARTICIPATING IN THE NO, I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS WE WORK TO DO AND UH, MAYBE REBECCA AND PARENT CAN WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR COUNSEL, UH, AND TRY TO THIS, UH, WE WE MORNING AS WELL AND WE CAN GET IT IRONED.
WE, AND FOR IF WE'RE NOT READY, WE CAN IT TO LATER TODAY.
UH, SINCE YOU MOVED THE OCCUPYING, UH, UNTIL THE COUNCIL EPTEMBER, I, I THINK I JUST NEED 60 DAYS TO MAKE TRANSITION.
MR. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? WANNA MAKE SURE? DOES OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT WORK? SURE.
I THINK THERE WAS ONLY ONE, UH, MINOR CONSTRUCTION DEAL WE WANTED.
WE WANTED, NOT A WINDOW, BUT A, YOU KNOW, A SERVICE.
A SERVICE, WHICH MAY THAT SERVICE COUNTER Y'ALL, IF THEY'RE GONNA, IF Y'ALL ARE GONNA AGREE WITH TO DO THIS
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AS AN EXCHANGE FOR SERVICES ANYTIME, WOULD THAT BE IN THE ACTUAL CONTRACT THAT THEIR AGREEMENT THEY'RE GONNA SIGN? I'M SORRY, SHE'S, UM, KAREN, IT WOULD BE, BUT AT THIS POINT I, I WASN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO.I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS AN, AN ADDITIONAL SIDE PIECE THAT SAID YOU SHOULD LOWER THE PRICE AND CONSIDER THIS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT TYPE OF PIECE AT FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS MORNING I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING A STRAIGHT PER MONTH FEE FOR THE BUILDING AND THE LAND NOT AN EXTRA CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE INTO THE LEASE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DEPENDING ON HOW THE NEGOTIATION GOES AND WHAT WE ULTIMATELY DECIDE, THAT WOULD BE HOW WE'D HAVE TO STRUCTURE IT.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, KAREN AND I WOULD PREFER TO JUST DO A PER MONTHLY FEE.
AND SO IT COULD BE TWO, TWO SEPARATE AGREEMENTS, RIGHT? WELL, AS SOON AS THE CITY, UM, CAN GET THAT PROPOSAL AND THAT REQUEST FOR FUNDING TO THE COUNTY, THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WHOLE CONSIDERATION AND LOOK AT THE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO FUND IT.
WE JUST, THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY PROJECT AND THAT'S NOT, WELL, I THINK I PROVIDED IT TO YOU.
YOU PROVIDED, UM, A, A PICTURE OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.
YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE THE DETAILS IN ANY WAY.
I THOUGHT I'D GIVEN YOU A PRICE IN 105,000, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
IT WASN'T THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT THAT DETAILED THE ENTIRE PROJECT WHERE THE FUNDING STRESSES WERE.
WELL, WE WANT IT TO BE A CLEAN DOCUMENT AND I THINK THAT THAT, UH, UH, UH, AGAIN, THE CRUSH IS NOT AS, UH, SOON AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS SINCE WE WERE ON IT TO SEPTEMBER 1ST.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THE DISCUSSION? WE ALL, WE, WE DO, AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A CLEAN DOCUMENT.
WE DON'T WANNA SLIDE IN SOME PROJECT UNDER THIS THAT THE COUNTY HASN'T, HASN'T APPROVED OR HAS IT BEEN BEFORE THE COURT, RIGHT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN CONGRESS WHERE THEY TACK ON A BUNCH OF STUFF AT THE END OF THE BILL, RIGHT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT CERTAINLY ACCUSING YOU OF THAT ANYWAY, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOR THE COUNTY'S SAKE, THAT WE HAVE A CLEAN DOCUMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY HASN'T BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNTY AGREED TO PAY GRIEF OF TERMS. WE DIDN'T WANT THAT SLIP IN AS A, A WASH DEAL AND THEN IT BITES ALL OF US LATER ON.
NO, BE REALLY CAREFUL AND I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK YOU ARE.
I'VE BEEN UP FRONT AND, AND ON TOP OF THE TABLE WITH EVERYBODY.
BUT THE COUNTY JUST HAS TO DO THEIR I KNOW, I KNOW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, IT DOES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND AS THINGS COME UP, JUST STAY IN CONTACT WITH US, THE ATTORNEYS.
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ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ALONG.ITEM DISCUSS FISCAL YEAR, UH, 17 COST OF SERVICE.
I KNOW WE HAVE A NICE, UH, CONTINGENT HERE THIS MORNING FROM STAR TRANSIT AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE PROVIDED A COPY OF DOCUMENTATION SENT OVER.
HAVE YOU WITH US AND WHOEVER THIS OTHER CHARACTER IS, TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TRANSITION GOING THROUGH IN ORDER CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR DEPUTY ED ANOTHER, ANOTHER AGENCY HERE IN COUNTY.
AND I THINK THAT MOST OF YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THE COUNTY, SO THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD.
WE HAVE SOME EXPERTISE THAT CAN HELP US OUT.
UH, MIKE, UH, JUDGE ANDERS, I'M JUST GONNA WALK THROUGH REAL QUICK THROUGH THE LETTER THAT YOU RECEIVED.
I SEE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT IT, SO I WON'T I WON'T BELABOR ANY BIG POINTS ON THIS THING HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF HISTORY LESSONS AND LOT OF A, UM, THE FIRST PART OF THE HISTORY LESSON IS I'M JUST, I'M JUST TALKING TO COMMISSIONER.
I'M JUST GONNA TALK, HE'S SET UP FOR NEXT TIME AROUND, SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST GONNA BE ON THIS PAGE.
HE DOES HAVE PRETTY PICTURES AND BIRDS
UH, ALL OF THIS, ALL THIS TAKES BACK TO, UH, THE LATE 1970S AND EARLY 1980S.
AND AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT WE USED TO HAVE OUR SENIOR SERVICES AND OUR ELDERLY ATION IN ONE ORGANIZATION AND THEY SPLIT.
SO NOW I'VE GOT COLMAN COUNTY SENIOR SERVICES, AND I'VE GOT WHAT USED TO BE ARY ROAD TRANSIT, WHICH CHANGED NAMES TO STAR TRANSIT.
STAR TRANSIT IS NOW FACING A LOT OF CHANGES.
AND IN THE WAY OF, OF SORT OF HANDLING THOSE CHANGES, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE.
WE USED TO BE ABLE TO PIECE TOGETHER FEDERAL FUNDS, STATE FUNDS, LOCAL CONTRACT FUNDS, AND SAY, OKAY, UH, COUNTY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BURDEN OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ONTO THE PUBLIC SECTOR ENTITIES IN THIS COUNTY.
WE WOULD GO FORWARD TO, UH, THE VARIOUS CITIES IN THE COUNTY, COME TO YOUR COUNTY.
EVERY NOW AND THEN A PUBLIC ENTITY WOULD DONATION TO US, AND WE WOULD LET THAT SORT OF KEEP ROLLING.
WELL, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT THE FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDS OR PROGRAMS LIKE OURS GET SMALLER EVERY YEAR.
AND WE ARE BEING A LOT OF ADVICE FROM, UH, MORRIS TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, TRANSPORTATION TO, TO CHANGE OUR BUSINESS MODELS.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS TO SAY, OKAY, WE DIDN'T USED TO EVER COME FORWARD TO AND SAY, UH, WE DO THIS MUCH SERVICE.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE IT.
WE REALIZE THAT'S CHANGED AND IT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S EXPENSIVE, UH, BUT WE THINK THAT THERE'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP OUT THERE.
WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WHO DEPEND HEAVILY ON ELDERLY, DISABLED TRANSPORTATION, UH, TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T GONNA GO TO WORK TOMORROW IF THEY DON'T HAVE A RIDE THAT COMES TO PICK UP THEIR, UM, UM, THE PERSON THEY TAKE CARE OF TO TAKE THEM TO ADULT REHAB.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WON'T GO TO WORK IF THEY CAN'T GET A PERSON.
UH, WE CARE, CARE OF GET DIALYSIS, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE FOLKS.
WE DO 194,000, UH, RIDES, UH, EVERY YEAR.
UH, WE DO BALL SPRINGS, SOME SPEED, SEAVILLE, ELLIS COUNTY, KAMAN COUNTY, EVERYWHERE IN OUR JURISDICTION.
UH, WE DO 128 HOURS A DAY OF SERVICE IN THIS, UH, COUNTY.
UH, SO WE'VE GOT 16 BUSES OUT THERE RUNNING EVERY DAY.
UNDER, UNDER THIS PROGRAM, WE COST ABOUT $50 AND 76, UH, CENTS PER, PER HOUR TO RUN.
UH, WE SENT SOME INFORMATION OVER TO THE JUDGE THAT KIND OF GAVE THE, UH, REVIEW THE ROCKWELL COUNTY HAVE DONE OF US.
UH, WE'RE PROUD TO SAY THAT 50 AND 76 CENTS IS RIGHT IN LINE.
WE HAVE, UH, WHAT OTHER ENTITIES OF OUR TYPE DO OUR BASE ANNUAL COST OF SERVICE IS SHOWN IN THIS LETTER IS $1.6 MILLION.
SO ALL OF THE FOLKS IN THIS COUNTY WHO ARE UTILIZING OUR SERVICE, WHICH THERE ARE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF TRIPS EVERY UH, YEAR IN THIS COUNTY, WE'VE GOT, UH, $1.6 MILLION OF COST TO COVER.
HOW DO WE COVER THAT? A LITTLE SPREADSHEET I PUT THERE AT THE END OF THE LETTER GOES THROUGH EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. WE'VE GOT FEDERAL FUNDS, STATE FUNDS, GRANT FUNDS, LOCAL CONTRACT FUNDS, AND WHEN WE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT, WE SAY, WAIT A
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MINUTE HERE, WE'VE GOT, UH, $1.48 MILLION AVAILABLE AND WE HAVE $1.62 MILLION IN COST.SO HOW DO WE PROPOSE TO MAKE THAT UP? WE'RE REQUESTING $142,000 IN TOTAL FROM ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS IN KAMAN COUNTY.
THE NEXT PAGE HERE ON THE BACK, UH, SHOWS YOU OUR, UH, BREAKDOWN.
OUR BREAKDOWN INCLUDES, UH, BASICALLY THIS SAYING, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT POPULATION AND LET'S GO TO EACH OF OUR JURISDICTIONS AND ASK THEM TO CAUTION BASED ON POPULATION.
UH, WE'VE BEEN TO A HANDFUL OF BUSINESS CITIES HERE AND WE'VE GOT YESES FROM THEM.
UH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP WORKING ON THE CITIES WE HAVEN'T VISITED YET.
AND, UH, TRY TO GET YESES FROM, FROM EVERYBODY ON THIS PAGE.
UH, THE COUNTY NUMBER IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT CHART.
IT SHOWS THAT YOU'VE GOT 58,000 PEOPLE IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THIS COUNTY.
AND THAT'S 58 POINT 50.8% OF THE POPULATION.
AND THAT MEANS WE'RE REQUESTING $72,000, UH, FROM THE COUNTY WE PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU.
AND, UH, PROVIDED A COPY TO, UH, UH, YOUR LEGAL STAFF OF AN AGREEMENT.
THAT'S BASICALLY OUR TEMPLATE AGREEMENT.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WITH OUR OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
AND WE ARE, UH, ASKING THE LEGAL TEAM TO REVIEW THAT IN THE HOPES THAT WE'LL, UH, BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND AGREEMENT TO THIS 72,000 IN PLACE FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO INTRODUCE A COUPLE OF FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE.
UH, ROY, ROY FERRELL IS WITH US.
HE'S OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FOR, UH, STAR TRANSIT.
RAY RAYMOND'S, A FORMER BOARD MEMBER.
HE, UH, CAME TO TO GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, MORAL SUPPORT.
TOMMY HENDRICKS IS OVER HERE IN THE CORNER.
HE'S OUR, UM, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
UH, BUT WE'VE GOT, AND KENNETH SHANE IS AN ULTIMATE, UH, FOR US ON OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UH, THAT'S A LOT OF TALENT TRYING TO AIM AT MAKING ALL OF THIS HAPPEN, RIGHT? FOR YEARS, OMEGA WAS SORT OF DOING EVERYTHING HERSELF AND WAS DOING A GREAT JOB AT IT.
AND SHE'S GROWN THIS ORGANIZATION FROM BEING A FEW BUSES TO BEING, UH, 60 BUSES OVER A MULTICOUNTY AREA.
UH, SHE DESERVES ALL OF THE, THE PRAISE WE CAN GET BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE FROM ROCKWALL AND
SO ALL THE LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT WE JUST SHOWED YOU, LEADERSHIP OMEGAS GIVEN US OVER A LONG COURSE OF TIME, UH, WE THINK YOU CAN SHOW THAT, UH, NOT ONLY ARE WE DOING OUR BUSINESS, RIGHT, UH, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO REACH OUT AT THE RIGHT TIME.
UH, WE'VE NEVER BEEN GREEDY ABOUT ASKING FOR MONEY.
UH, BUT WE, THIS REQUEST FOR, SO THAT, I KNOW THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH A TWO PAGE LETTER KIND OF QUICK, BUT, UH, RESPECTFULLY OF TIME YOU HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
HUNDRED $94,000 RIGHTS PER YEAR ARE, THOSE ARE TOTAL, NOT JUST COSTMAN, RIGHT? THAT'S THE WHOLE, THAT'S THE WHOLE SYSTEM WHERE, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE, I'M SORRY, LEMME ASK ONE QUESTION.
WHAT KIND OF INTERACTION DO YOU HAVE WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES INCORPORATED OUT OF MERA COUNTY? UH, OR DO YOU WE DO.
UH, WE PROVIDE THEIR AGING SERVICES, THEIR AGING TRANSPORTATION SERVICES IN MERA COUNTY, AND WE PROVIDE THEIR MEDICAID TRANSPORTATION SERVICES IN
AS I DON'T COMPLICATE THIS, BUT AS I MENTIONED HERE EARLIER, WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY TO MAYBE EVEN MOVE TO COLTON COUNTY AND START PROVIDING SOME SORT OF SERVICES.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I KNOW.
I MEAN, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM TO TRY TO FIND MORE INFORMATION AND THEY'VE NOT TO Y'ALL COME TO US FOR OFFICE SPACE TO SEE IF WE COULD EVER FIND SPACE.
AND THAT'S THE LATEST COMMUNICATION WE HAVE FROM, I HAVE ALSO TRIED TO CONTACT THE STATE WITH A NUMBER THAT I WAS GIVEN BY THE, UH, UH, COUNTY JUDGE IN THE BARRA COUNTY.
AND I'VE TRIED THREE DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN I CALL BACK YET.
IT'S SET UP AS A CAP AGENCY, A MEDIA ACTION AGENCY.
AND THEY, THEY HAVE SOME, UM, I THINK IT RUNS WEAPONIZATION.
UH, THEY HAVE A SMALL TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM DOWN THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY'RE NOT SERVING MY, MY QUESTION FOR EVEN BRINGING THIS UP IS THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF GETTING ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THEM TOWARDS CISCO.
IF THEY DID ANYTHING, I'M SURE THEY'LL JUST BE IN COUNTY.
NOT AS FAR AS I'VE BEEN, I'M AWARE OF.
SO WHAT HAS CHANGED, JUST IN 50
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WORDS OR LESS, WE'VE GONE FROM NOT PAYING, RIGHT? RIGHT.UH, IN THE PAST, YOU 49 PAID IN THE PAST, THE JURISDICTIONS IN THIS COUNTY WOULD PUT 10 TO 15 TO $20,000 INTO OUR OPERATING EXPENSES AS JUST VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS.
AND WHAT WE SAW FROM THAT IS THAT MEANT THAT WE WERE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE BEST OF FINANCIAL, UH, STABILITY.
WHAT WE, UH, LOOKED AT WAS TO SAY, OKAY, OUR TAX OFF AMOUNT OF MONEY IS REALLY AN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT, UM, UH, DOESN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FLOAT UP AS TIME GOES ON.
SO EVERY YEAR WE'RE OUT THERE PROVIDING MORE SERVICES AND TXDOT IS KEEPING US ON A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT THE NEEDS INCREASE, POPULATION GROWTH INCREASES, AND OUR FEDERAL FUNDS ALSO DO THE SAME THING.
THE FEDERAL FUNDS DON'T KEEP PACE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, AFTER THE 2010 CENSUS, A LOT OF CHANGES WENT TO PLACE AT FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION.
THOSE CHANGES CREATED A SITUATION WHERE OPERATING REVENUES FOR, UM, ENTITIES LIKE OURS HAVE GONE DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR JURISDICTIONS, WE'VE CREATED A FUNDING MODEL FOR THEM.
THAT MEANS THAT KAMAN COUNTY IS SELF-FUNDED, MESQUITE IS SELF-FUNDED, ROCKWELL IS SELF-FUNDED.
GULF SPRINGS AND, AND, UH, SIEGEL ARE SELF-FUNDED.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWING MONEY TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH INTO AND OUT OF THE COUNTY.
WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE STATE FEDERAL REVENUES IN THIS COUNTY AND UTILIZE THAT TOP THREE FEE SERVICES? WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, WE SEE THAT THE, UM, UH, FEDERAL SHARE AND THE STATE SHARE ARE SHRINKING, UH, RELATIVE TO OUR NEEDS AS INTERNAL INSTEAD OF GROWING.
AND SO THAT PUTS US IN A SHORT FALL POSITION, AND WE'RE COMING FORWARD TO SAY, WE NEED TO KEEP BUYING BUSES.
YOU STILL GET A GREAT RETURN ON THIS.
'CAUSE IF, IF YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU HERE, WE CAN GET YOU, UH, $1.4 MILLION, ALMOST $1.5 MILLION IN STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS.
IF YOU JUST CONTRIBUTE AS A OVERALL COUNTY, 142,000, THAT'S AN UNHEARD OF COST SHARE.
SO WE THINK WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL, UH, IN TERMS OF KEEPING THAT SHARE LOW.
EVERY DOLLAR THAT'S PROVIDED TO US, WE BRING IN $10 AND SOMETHING LIKE 38 CENTS TO THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
WHAT'S CHANGED, AND I KNOW I JUST GAVE YOU MORE 50 WORDS, BUT WHAT'S CHANGED IS ABOUT FEDERAL REDUCTION AND STATE REDUCTIONS.
WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THESE CITIES ARE VIABLE TO CONTINUE? WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING NEGATIVE.
WE HAVE BEEN TO SOME CITY COUNCILS AND SOME, UH, UH, AND EVERY CITY COUNCIL WE'VE BEEN TO HAS SAID YES.
SO WE HAVE A, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY NAMES RIGHT NOW.
THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO GO VOTE.
UM, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE, THE, THE FOUR OR FIVE BIGGEST CITIES TO GIVE US VOTES THIS SUMMER.
ALL THE SMALLER CITIES WE REALIZE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG TIME TO SORT OF EDUCATE MY
IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME FOR US TO MOVE TO THAT PROCESS.
OUR GOAL IS WORK WITH THEM DURING THE COURSE OF FY 17 TO COLLECT MONEY FROM THEM.
UH, WE THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE THE FOUR BIGGEST CITIES, UM, UH, SUPPORT BY THE END OF THIS FY 16 DO FY 17 PROJECT.
SO EVERYBODY'S PITCHING IN AND EVERYBODY'S HELPING.
WE TRIED TO SPREAD THE BURDEN RATHER THAN JUST CONCENTRATE ON ONE.
AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE PICKING UP VILLE SPRINGS AND SOME TRANSPORTATION IN COUNTY NOTICED.
THIS IS JUST, THIS IS JUST KAMAN COUNTY, THIS KAMAN COUNTY.
SO WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH STEVE BILL THAT THEY COVER ALL OF THEIR COSTS.
WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH BALD SPRINGS, WHICH THEY COVER ALL THEIR COSTS, CONTRACT TEMPLATE AND ESSENTIAL LEGAL TEAM IS, IS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL TO THE CONTRACTS WE HAVE WITH THEM.
THOSE CITIES ARE, THEY'RE COSTING YES.
THAT'S OUR, THAT THAT'S BEEN, AND REALLY THIS IS, UH, CREDIT TO ROY FERRELL AS CHAIRMAN CREDIT TO, TO THE BOARD, INCLUDING FOLKS LIKE KEN SHANE WHO UM, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR BOARD FOR ABOUT 24 MONTHS NOW.
AND WE, WE KEEP TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET TO A POINT WHERE EACH JURISDICTION IS, UM, UH, UH, FUNDING ITSELF AND EACH JURISDICTION IS ONE IN WHICH WE'RE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THE FEDERAL REVENUES AND THE STATE REVENUES COMING.
WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE OUR JOB.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHY OMEGA HAS A WORKING ON THIS, IS THAT
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OUR GOAL IS FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL JURISDICTION MAXIMIZE THE STATE TOTAL FUNDS.WE'RE DOING THAT HERE, BUT WE STILL NEED A CONTRIBUTION TO MAKE ALL THAT HAPPEN.
SO AS WE ROLL ALONG HERE, UH, WHAT YOU BASICALLY ASKING THIS YEAR AND EACH YEAR STANDS ON IT ALL THE COMMISSIONER, BUDGET COMMISSIONER, YOU'VE BEEN SERVING AS AN AS MEMBER.
SO, BECAUSE ONCE WE START DOING THIS OBLIGATIONS, UH, MY THING IS THE CITY.
SO SOMETHING, IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM, VERY NEEDED SERVICE.
I WOULD TO SEE THE PROVIDED DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC.
THEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY ALL GO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LOVE TO, I'M NOT CHANGING, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE BIGGEST IS, WHAT THE BIGGEST THING IS, AND MAYBE BE SELLING A PERCENTAGES, MAKE IT A LITTLE HARDER ON SOME OF THE CITIES IF THEY'RE REALLY IT OUT.
THE THING WE ALL NEED TO DO, I THINK CITIES, COUNTY, WHATEVER, IS MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF THIS SERVICE.
I, I KNOW THAT MANY OF 'EM ARE, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE NOT ALL OF 'EM ARE.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, I KNOW Y'ALL WORK ON THAT EVERY DAY AND I KNOW YOU DO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE CAN ALL HELP PUBLICIZE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, ONE OTHER COMMENT.
WHEN I WAS ON COURT BEFORE COMMISSIONER AND I GOT THIS MOVE FROM, UH, PARIS, TEXAS TO TER DOING OUTSTANDING JOB, REQUEST OF FINANCIAL AUDIT.
WE'LL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS GET A COPY OF ANYBODY WE'RE CONTRIBUTING MONEY TO.
WE NEED A OF THEIR OUTSIDE AUDIT.
YOU'RE SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING, AND IT WAS GOOD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HEAR FROM ROY OR RAY
ALRIGHT, UH, RIGHT ALONG, I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS HERE FROM HUMANE SOCIETY OF CEDAR CREEK.
AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU GUYS COME ON UP NOW AND UH, THEN WE'RE GONNA HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM OUR, UH, BOND FOLKS ARE HERE TO, UH, UH, TALK WITH US.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COPY OF THEIR REQUEST AND, UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT WITH, UH, YOU'RE STILL AND I UNDERSTAND.
SO, UH, TELL US, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU WANT US TO, ALRIGHT.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AGAIN AND THOUGHT WE'RE BROKE RECORD WITH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR WE HAVE FUNDING ISSUES AND THAT'S NOT CHANGED AGAIN THIS YEAR.
WE, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD FOUR YEARS AGO, WE WERE RECEIVING 75,000 FROM, UM, PROPERTY COUNTY THAT VERY NEXT YEAR IT WAS DOWN TO 70,000.
AND THEN WE WENT TO THE PER CHARGE OF $65 AN HOUR AND THE MONEY DROPPED EVEN FURTHER THAN 56,000.
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AND WE HAVE REALIZED NOW THAT THE, THE MODEL THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER IS JUST, IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR US ANYMORE.WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN.
AND WE SENT YOU THE LAST 15 MONTHS OF OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THOSE MONTHS WE END IN THE RED.
WE BARELY HAVE MONEY TO PAY BILLS.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF CYCLICAL IN THERE WHERE THERE'S SOME MONTHS THAT WE DON'T PAY ANY BILLS AND THERE'S OTHER MONTHS.
WE HAVE 18, $1,900 WORTH OF BILLS THAT WE PAY OFF AT ONE TIME.
BILLS WE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM, FROM A FUNDRAISER.
WHAT YOU GUYS BRING TO US IS ABOUT 40 TO 42% OF ALL THE ANIMALS THAT WE TAKE IN FOR PEA AND
SO THE FUNDING THAT WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING GUYS, IS ABOUT 20%.
SO THERE'S A HUGE GAP THERE TO ADEQUATELY FUND WHAT WE NEED.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF 140,000.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A, A HUMONGOUS JUMP, BUT LIKE I HAVE TOLD JUDGE WOOD AND AND PAM TOGETHER, YOU GUYS CANNOT OPERATE A SHELTER FOR 40,000 A YEAR.
WE WANT TO BE HERE TO HELP YOU GUYS.
LEMME ASK YOU, ONE OF YOU SAY WE CANNOT OPERATE IT.
SO YOU MEAN BUILDING BUILDING A BUILDING AND CORRECT.
UH, IF WE BUILT OUR OWN BUILDING AND PARTNERED WITH SOME NON, I RUN IT FOR YOU.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL SITUATION, JUDGE, FOR YOU GUYS TO BUILD A BUILDING AND, AND WE COULD DEFINITELY HAVE YOU OPERATE IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT YOU GUYS ARE AS, AS CLOSE TO THE SITUATION AS AS WE ARE.
THAT'S NATURAL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THERE EVERY DAY.
LOOKING AT OUR FINANCIALS SO MUCH.
WE'RE LIKE, WE GONNA PAY THE LOT BILL, WE GONNA PAY THE PAYROLL THIS WEEK.
AND, AND WE AS A BOARD, WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION SOMETIMES SAD TO STAY.
IT'S, IT'S NO WAY TO RUN AN ORGANIZATION.
IT, IT'S, IT'S TAXING ALL THE EMPLOYEES.
IT'S VERY HARD TO KEEP GOOD PEOPLE THERE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A GALLON TANK.
THERE'S NO MAINTENANCE UPKEEP OF THAT FACILITY.
BEEN THERE SINCE, FOR 33 YEARS.
THAT ONE BUILDING OPENED UP IN 1983.
OUR NEW BUILDING OPENED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND, AND WE NEED LOTS OF WORK ON THAT BUILDING NOW, BUT WE JUST DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.
TO, UH, AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE VOLUNTEERS, YOU'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE PAYROLL.
YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE YOU SERVE, UH, A NEED THAT OBVIOUSLY EXISTS IN HENDERSON COUNTY AND KAMAN COUNTY.
AND SO I DON'T, I'M I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL WHEN I'M ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT IN MY OPINION, AND PAM AND I, PAM IS THE RESIDENT EXPERT ON THIS, PAM AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS A, ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO GET FOR US TO CONTRIBUTE $140,000.
I'VE NOT TALKED WITH ANY OF THE COMMISSIONER.
FOR US TO CONTRIBUTE $140,000 MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE A LONG RANGE PLAN, UH, TRY TO GET BY AS BEST WE CAN FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND THEN LET US SEE IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO CONSTRUCT A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY STATE OF THE ART, BUT WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A FIRST CLASS ANIMAL SHELTER THAT WOULD BE HOUSED AT OUR SHERIFF'S LAND OUT ADJACENT TO THE JAIL WHERE WE HAVE LOTS OF FREE LABOR THAT CAN HELP CLEAN THOSE BINS IF THEY, YOU KNOW, CAN DO THAT.
AND, BUT I DON'T THINK THE SHERIFF OR THE SHERIFF LACK, OR THE COUNTY WANTS TO BE IN THE, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO OPERATE AN OWNERSHIP, UH, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, I DUNNO ABOUT YOUR ADOPTION RATE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, YOU HAVE SOME GOOD MONTHS AND SOME BAD MONTHS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME, AND THIS, UH, I MEAN WE'RE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY AND I KNOW IT'S, YOU'RE, I I MEAN I READ YOUR FINANCIALS AND YOU GUYS ARE ARE STRUGGLING TO REALIZE THAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUST KEEP POURING MONEY DOWN THAT HOLE THAT WE, THAT I DON'T THINK SUSTAINABLE.
I MEAN IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WELL THERE'S THERE'S LOTS OF FA FABULOUS THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HERE LATER.
I I'M SURE I DON'T MEAN, AND RIGHT.
AND I SEE WHERE YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE THROWING MONEY OUT A DARK HOLE.
WE'RE OUR OPERATIONS ARE PAYING FOR OUR, EVERYTHING WE DO.
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TO ADD, WE HAVEN'T HAD A A VAN, OUR VAN IS IN 1989 VAN THAT DIED TWO YEARS AGO.THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE TRANSPORTING DOWN WAS AROUND NOW TO ADOPTION.
AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF THE ORGANIZATION.
I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK WE CAN KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA, WELL, IT'S JUST NOT GOOD.
IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT, I'M GLAD THAT AINSWORTH ON THE BOARD.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR ABOUT, UH, NINE, 10 MONTHS, IS THAT WE'VE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION IN THE PAST.
AND SO WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND I'LL JUST THROW OUT THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IF WE WEREN'T THERE PROVIDING THAT SERVICE, THEN CAN YOU IMAGINE YOUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT AN ANIMAL SHELTER AND WHAT THE CONDITION YOU WOULD HAVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY WITH ANIMALS LEFT ON THE STREET? AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SHUT DOWN.
I HAVE A PASSION FOR BEING THERE.
AND I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE, THAT WE HAVE SAID, WELL, LET'S SHUT DOWN AND I'M NOT LETTING THAT HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN KIND OF STEPPING IN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'LL DO WHAT I CAN DO.
WE HAD A FUNDRAISER AND I HELPED RAISE $25,000.
IF YOU SEE WE WERE IN THE RED IN APRIL OF $5,000.
WE WERE IN THE RED THE NEXT MONTH.
WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT 25,000 AND PUT IT IN FOR OPERATING COSTS WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT TOWARDS VAN IN OUR BUILDING.
BUT MY POINT HERE, GETTING BACK TO THAT, IS THAT IF YOU, IF Y'ALL WANNA BUILD A FACILITY, WE WOULD LOVE TO HELP AGAIN, TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS AND DO THIS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THAT COULD TAKE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE NEED THE FUNDING TO DO SOMETHING SO THAT NEXT MONTH WE CAN'T KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL TAKE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
I THINK WE CAN GET ON A FAST TRACK AND HOPEFULLY GET SOMETHING CONSTRUCTED.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A HUGE BUILDING.
I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A BUILDING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN BE CONSTRUCTED I THINK VERY RAPIDLY.
I THINK WE WILL HAVE SOME OF OUR CITIES THAT WILL WANT TO CONTRACT WITH THE NONPROFIT GROUP THAT RUNS THE ORGANIZATION HAVE TO BE BIGGER THAN YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING BECAUSE THE INTAKE AROUND HERE IS VERY HIGH.
I, WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN ONLY HOLD SO MANY AT ONE TIME.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT DO NOT, THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ANIMAL CONTROL WATCH.
I KNOW THAT VAN COUNTY HARRISON GOT THREE ANIMALS.
WELL, I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED IT.
THAT I, I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND I JUST DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
WE'VE GOTTA BASIS, IF YOU, THERE MAY BE SOME GRANT MONIES, UH, PAM THAT WORKED EXTREMELY HARD TALKING TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ONCE THEY SEE WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT CONSTRUCTING A, UH, AN ANIMAL SHELTER, UH, THAT MEETS THE, THE STANDARDS MEETS WHATEVER THE STANDARDS ARE FOR THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT ENTERS IN HERE, OUR TWO ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS SPEND A LOT OF TIME RUNNING BACK AND FORTH THEN TO HENDERSON COUNTY.
AND, UH, THAT'S TAKES 'EM AWAY FROM THEIR JOBS HERE.
PLUS JUST THE COST OF OF, OF DOING THAT.
WHEN, IF WE HAD IT CENTRALLY LOCATED IN COSTMAN COUNTY HERE AT THE, AT THE JAIL, UH, WHERE WE DO HAVE AGAIN, UH, LABOR THAT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO HELP DO WHAT YOU PROBABLY PAY SOMEBODY TO DO NOW OR YOU VOLUNTEERED TO DO.
IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT'D BE A MUCH BETTER WAY TO, TO A
BUT RIGHT NOW THE SHORT TERM ISSUE IS HOW DO YOU KEEP YOUR DOORS OPEN? AND UH, SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT WE SO STEVE, YOU WANT SAY SO, BUT YOU SAID YOU, YOU SAID IT PRETTY WELL.
I THOUGHT YOU, I THOUGHT YOU RAISED JAN.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER COST MODELS THAT YOU USE WITH THERE OTHER CITIES AND THEN WITH HENDERSON COUNTY, IS IT PER ANIMAL OR POPULATION BASED OR FLAT FEE? WE HAVE A FLAT FEE FROM HENDERSON COUNTY.
AND WHAT IS THAT PER YEAR? 13,000.
AND THEY BRING US MAYBE 50 ANIMALS A YEAR.
WHY DO THEY HAVE THREE? THEY HAVE THREE ANIMALS.
THERE'S ANOTHER FACILITY AND OKAY.
THEY USE THE, UH, HENDERSON COUNTY FACILITY, WHICH IS IN ATHENS SUBSIDIZED BY.
SO WHAT ABOUT, I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITIES.
WHAT DO YOU DO AT PLATINUM FOR THEM AS WELL? PER ANIMAL? 45 PER ANIMAL.
IS THERE, YOU TOLD THE CHURCH YEAH, EVERYONE GETS INTO THE, I'M TERESA PRYOR, I'M THE TREASURER AND CPA AND AT GUN BARREL, UH, EVERYONE FOCUSES ON THE PER ANIMAL THING.
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THE PER ANIMAL MODEL.AND THE THE ISSUE IS THAT I'VE BEEN THE TREASURER FOR SIX YEARS AND THE STANDARD AVERAGE, UH, EXPENSES FOR THAT SHELTER, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT BARE BONES, THAT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR ANY KIND OF REPAIRS, ANY KIND OF ONGOING
AND SO WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT THOSE FINANCIALS, YOU'LL SEE THAT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL PER ANIMAL, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH 200,000 OF.
SO WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, ARE YOU LOOKING AT GOING TOWARDS A FLAT FEE PROPORTIONED OUT BETWEEN EACH OF THE PARTICIP? THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED.
WE HAVE TO, I JUST, I ASKED THAT SHE, BECAUSE I KNOW THE COUNTY IS GONNA WANT TO SEE THAT.
THE PARTICIPANTS, AND I THINK, EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT BEING WELL TODAY, BUT I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE FROM THE START THAT IT SHOULD BE, THIS IS OUR BUDGET FOR HERE AND EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED SHOULD APPROVE IT.
AND THEN HOW THE SHELTER IS, IS USED BY THE DIFFERENT PARTICIPANTS.
THAT PERCENTAGE IS WHAT THEY SHOULD PAY IN THE BUDGET.
THAT'S HOW I DO IT BECAUSE BASICALLY, UH, THE 200,000 IS PRETTY MUCH FIXED COST.
THERE'S NOT MUCH IN THERE FOR, SEE, I THINK THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO EACH OF THE PARTIES VERSUS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT MODEL AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING.
BUT WE STARTED HERE, YOU GUYS BRING ABOUT 42% OF THE ANIMALS TO US.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 43% OF THAT BUDGET OF 200,000 BUCKS, NOT CLOSE TO 40.
I THINK THE COUNTY ALSO NEEDS SOME ASSURANCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET THE REST OF THAT BUDGET FROM THE OTHER PART.
AND WE, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, FACTOR AND THEM BEING ABLE TO USE THE, THE SHELTER AND I AND I NOT JUDGE TWO YOU WE TO SPEAK.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, OUR HEARTS ARE WITH Y'ALL.
UH, SO THE $200,000 BUDGET, WHAT IS THAT ON A PER ANIMAL COST? WELL, I GUESS IF YOU, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT WHENEVER WE WENT TO THE PER ANIMAL, UH, MODEL, THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS WENT DOWN.
WHENEVER I FIRST CAME ON BOARD, WE WERE TAKING IN ABOUT 3000 ANIMALS.
NOW CERTAIN THINGS HAVE HAPPENED, LIKE THE CATS MOVED OUT AND UH, BUT THE ISSUE THERE IS, LIKE I WAS SAYING, THE 200,000 A YEAR IS WHAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE THAT SHELTER.
AND IF NO ONE USES IT, THEN YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T BE OPERATED.
SO HOW MANY ANIMALS WERE PROCESSED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS? ABOUT 2300.
SO YOU'RE AT 85, $90 AN ANIMAL.
AND UH, I HEARD THE TOTAL BUDGET IS 200 AND THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY IS 42% OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 84,000.
IT NEEDS TO BE THE 200,000 PROBABLY SAID BARE BONES.
YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY NEED, OUR ISSUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN STAFFING.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GLAMOROUS JOB, IT'S NOT A GREAT JOB.
AND SO WE'VE HAD TO DEPEND ON A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED TO WORK.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN A BAD WAY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MANAGEMENT PEOPLE THERE.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS SHELTER NEEDS DESPERATELY AS A MANAGER THAT CAN ACTUALLY MANAGE ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE ON A DAILY BASIS.
'CAUSE PRETTY MUCH WE DON'T HAVE A, A STAFF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, HAS LONG TERM.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S A CONSTANT TURNOVER.
SO THE, THE REAL LAST IS APPROXIMATELY A $300,000 BUDGET THAT KATON COUNTY WOULD BE ASKED TO FUND 42% OF, WHICH WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 140,000.
FOR THE COURT I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP FOCUS DOWN ON, ON THE NEW FINANCIAL MODEL THAT YOU'RE, CAN I SAY? SURE.
I'M AN ADOPTION AND RESCUE PARTNER, UH, WITH SIERRA CAN.
UH, TO, TO YOUR POINT, THERESA, ABOUT THE STAFF, UM, IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU ARE PROPOSING FREE LABOR.
WELL, I'M, THAT'D BE WELL, THE MOVE LOCATION, BUT I'M ASSUME THAT THE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE WITH CONSISTENCY, HAVING, HAVING THE SAME PEOPLE IN THE SHELTER AND THE, THE, THE LADY THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO, UH, I THINK WE, WE KIND OF HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND, AND
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MANAGE THAT VERY, THERE'S LOTS OF VERY, VERY WELL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.UH, AND YOU SPOKE TO A SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT DO WE DO NOW? YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT.
WE'D LOVE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE THAT IN A NEW LOCATION, WHATEVER THE CITY OR THE COUNTY DRIVE.
UH, IF YOU'RE STANDING NEXT TO A RIVER AND, AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN THERE IN, IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM, YOU'RE STANDING NEXT TO A RIVER AND HERE COMES A KITTEN DOWN THE RIVER AND YOU RUN OUT THERE TO SAVE THE KITTEN, YOU PULL IT OUT, YOU'RE ALL WET AND YOU'RE TIRED.
AND HERE COMES ANOTHER KITTEN.
YOU RUN OUT THERE AND YOU, YOU PULL OUT THE KITTEN.
THEN YOU REALIZE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING THAT.
KEEP, KEEP PULLING OUT THE KITTENS.
AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GO UPSTREAM AND GET THE BASTARD TO THROW THE KITTENS IN THE RIVER.
AND THAT'S THE TRUE SUSTAINABILITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY, REALLY WHAT ANIMAL WELFARE AND SHELTER PEOPLE WANT TO BE CONCENTRATING ON.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT WE WANT TO BE CONCENTRATING ON.
BUT SIR, WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE'RE FILLING UP THE DUMPSTER WITH ANIMALS.
AND WE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT CONCENTRATE ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TURNING FOR HEAD OF WATER AND JUST AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE, THE VAN SITUATION, OUR, UH, OFFSITE, UH, ADOPTIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING UP BECAUSE OF LYNETTE'S GROUP, BUT THEY'RE LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THEY WERE A YEAR AGO WHEN WE HAD A VAN OR TWO YEARS AGO.
SO, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE WERE TAKING ANIMALS UP TO ROCKWELL UP TO CLEAN UP, UP TO VARIOUS PLACES WHERE WE COULD GET MORE PER ANIMAL FOR AN ADOPTION FEE.
AND SECOND OF ALL, THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO STOP.
I THINK WE'VE HEARD THE PROBLEM, PAM.
WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER, UH, ITEM HERE.
YOU, WE, THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ALSO GAVE $75 PER ANIMAL.
THAT'S WHAT WE PAY IS $75 PER ANIMAL.
WOULDN'T THAT INCREASE YOUR BUDGET, THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE COMING IN AND BE EQUAL? IF WE'RE PAYING 75, THEY SHOULD PAY 70.
IT, IT REALLY WOULDN'T MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF COFFEE AND THE CITY OF MAYBANK, IF THEY BOTH PAID 75, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BRING IN QUITE A BIT MORE MONEY.
BUT THE OTHER CITIES WE DEAL WITH, LIKE TOOL
SO IT REALLY NOT GONNA CHANGE THINGS A LOT.
AND THEY, THEY WILL AND THEY WON'T BRING THEM.
AND THE SAME THING THAT WE HAD, I HAD THAT HAPPEN WHEN, WHEN I CHANGED THE CONTRACT PRICE FROM THE CITY FROM $15 AND 45, THEY COULDN'T BRING HOUSES BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT UNTIL THEY REALIZED THEY HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO GO WITH THEM.
AND THAT WAS THE BEST OPTION THAT THEY HAD.
SO WE THINK THAT WAS AGGRESSIVELY REDUCED.
BUT I STILL SAY THAT YOUR, THERE YOU SHOULD BE CHARGING, YOU CHARGING APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO DO IT.
AND YET THAT MIGHT, MIGHT NOT BE, BUT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND, UH, I THINK YOU CHARGE 75 CHARGE, YOU CHARGE 42.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU GUYS WERE THE ONES THAT WENT TO IT PER ANIMAL COST.
AND OUR PER ANIMAL COST DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND YOU DID IT BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT THAT MODEL WOULD WORK AND IT DIDN'T WORK AND WAY DOWN.
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND I DO THINK THAT, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE WITH THE AWARENESS.
WE HAVE IN CRANDALL, WE HAVE THE STATE OF NEUTER CLINIC THAT ARE OFFERING LOW COST DATA, NEUTERING.
WE HAVE A WORK, A GENTLEMAN COMING TO WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY AND SET UP A CLINIC WHERE WE CAN DO LOW COST SHOTS AND SPAY OF NEUTERING.
UM, AND WE HAVE OUR FACEBOOK PAGE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF HOW MANY ANIMALS AND THE ADVOCATES ARE OUT THERE PUSHING THOSE PICTURES AND HELPING.
AND I THINK THAT HELPS CUT THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT ARE GOING TO YOUR SHELTER DOWN.
SO I THINK THAT WE ARE DOING OUR PART.
I I THINK SOMETIMES I FEEL, BECAUSE THIS IS SO PERSONAL TO ME, THAT WE ARE BEING, UM, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE CREDIT THAT WE SHOULD GET.
BUT YOU CONTINUOUSLY COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY.
'CAUSE THERE'S LESS MONEY BACK.
BUT, BUT, SO THERE'S LESS MONEY COMING IN.
BUT THAT MEANS WE'RE DOING OUR JOB 'CAUSE WE'RE TAKING LESS ANIMALS.
WELL, BUT OUR V IS STILL 200,000 A YEAR.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SIX YEARS AS THE TREASURER.
I WAS NEVER A HER ANIMAL ADVOCATE BECAUSE I KNOW ONE ANIMAL, 500 ANIMALS, THE SHELTER HAS TO BE CORRECT AND THE BARE BONES IS 200,000 A YEAR.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PARCEL IT OUT AND THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S,
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OKAY.UH, WE'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY GONNA MAKE ANY DECISIONS TODAY.
AND WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORMALLY ADOPT OUR BUDGET TO AWARD TO, UH, DOWN THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER OR SOMEWHERE ALONG IN THERE.
UH, BUT WE'VE GOT A LITTLE TIME TO DO SOME THINGS.
AND, UH, PAM IS OUR RESIDENT EXPERT.
UH, I DO THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO REALLY ADDRESS THIS THING.
WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO KEEP, UH, THE ANIMAL SHELTER AFLOAT UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
AND SO, UH, LET US PUT OUR, OUR, UH, OUR BEST MINDS TOGETHER.
UH, PAM WILL, UH, WORK AND MAYBE WE CAN, UH, HAVE A COMMISSIONER OR TWO WORK WITH HER AND OTHER, UH, THERE'S SOME RESOURCES OUT THERE I THINK WE CAN ASK THAT WOULD HELP US ONCE THEY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT BUILDING A QUALITY WELL RUN ANIMAL SHELTER FANTASTIC.
AND OUR, OUR ANIMAL, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO INCREASE AS WE HAVE MORE FAMILIES MOVE INTO THE COUNTY.
UH, IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
UH, BUT, UH, AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY.
WE'RE NOT, LET'S GET, LET'S GET SOMETHING STARTED TODAY.
AND PAM, I I KNOW SHE, WE, WE FOUND A SOURCE OF, UH, UH, MAYBE A PARTIAL GRANT OR SOMETHING THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US BUILD.
AND SO LET US WORK TOGETHER AGAIN.
I RECOGNIZE YOU GUYS ARE NOT GETTING PAID TO DO HERE.
YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE YOU LOVE ANIMALS.
THAT, AND SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE ADVERSARIAL.
IT'S JUST, I'M CONVINCED WHAT WE'RE DOING, THIS IS NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK.
IT JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND TRUST ME, IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO BE NECESSARILY EITHER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET IT ACROSS TO YOU GUYS THAT WE'RE JUST RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF NON-EXISTENCE.
I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE THAT CLOSE.
BUT SOMEHOW WITH THE LUCK OF THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN, THE FUNDRAISERS COME IN JUST IN THE BIT OF TIME FOR US TO KEEP DOORS ON.
BUT HOW MANY TIMES CAN WE ROLL THOSE D UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FIRST SOUTHWEST, WHEN YOU'RE READY WITH THE BAILIFF, FIND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS AND ESCORT HIM TO
UH, WE GO FROM CATS AND DOGS TO FINANCING, UH, PROPOSED BOND SALE.
AND UH, GEORGE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES.
DON'T, DON'T GET MAD REPRESENTATIVE FROM, UH, IT'S NOT FIRST SOUTHWEST ANYMORE.
IT'S IT'S STILL FIRST SOUTHWEST DIVISION OF HILL.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SCALE DOWN TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND WHOEVER WANTS TO START OFF SPEAKING, UH, WE'LL JUST LET YOU LET YOU GO AND THEN COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE SOME, SOME IDEAS OF WHAT YOU JUDGE.
GO HANDS AROUND PROTECTION, THEN I CAN GO RECOMMENDED THAT.
THERE, THERE'S A TWO PAGE HANDOUT THERE YOU SHOULDA HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU HERE.
THE FIRST PAGE, WHAT WE TRY TO DO, FUNDING AND TRANSPORTATION, ONE SCHEDULE, HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY.
I THOUGHT IT'D BE HELPFUL MAYBE TO WALK THROUGH THE SCHEDULE.
SO THIS SCHEDULE IS DESIGNED FROM THE 26 MILLION TOP.
WHAT I CAN DO, I CAN START ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE, CALLING ME TO DO THE OBJECTION.
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TO POINT OUT HERE IN 17, WE CLOSE TO SEVEN IN, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED BACK IN 2013 WHEN THE COUNTY WAS PLANNED FOR THE BOND ELECTION.AT THE TIME, GIVEN THE VALUE ASSUMPTION, THEN WITH GROWTH, WE WERE SHOWING VALUE FOR REGION 6.8 BILLION.
SO YOU CAN SEE, GIVEN THE GROWTH THAT HAS OCCURRED, UM, WE'RE AT 7 BILLION PROJECTED FOR NEXT YEAR.
WHEREAS BACK IN THOUSAND 13 TO MAX WE WERE SIX EIGHT.
SO THAT PLAYS INTO THE SCHEDULE IN TERMS OF THE TAX RATE.
BUT I DID WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
MAY, MAY I INTERJECT ONE THING HERE.
WE ARE GOING TO GET OUR CERTIFIED VALUES, THIS OUR, OUR ACTUAL CERTIFIED VALUES, I BELIEVE THIS WEDNESDAY.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE KIND OF BEEN HELD UP.
AND THAT SIX B AND 4 78 MAY BE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT WE'LL GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS AS WE DO GET OUR CERTIFIED.
THERE WAS ABOUT $50 MILLION UNDER PROTEST.
AND WHEN I TALKED TO THE CHIEF APPRAISAL LAST WEEK, THEY WERE STILL, UH, THEY WERE GONNA HAVE HEARINGS WEDNESDAY AND HE HOPES TO HAVE, UH, A, A FINAL VALUE TO US BY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON OR UH, THURSDAY MORNING.
SO THAT AFFECTS EVERYTHING WE DO, OF COURSE, OUR BUDGET AND THEN THE SALE OF THESE BONDS.
SO I'LL GET THAT TO YOU JUST AS SOON AS WE DO GET THE CERTIFIED.
THAT, THAT'S THE COUNTY'S EXISTING BOND INDEBTEDNESS.
AND THAT'S MADE OF A FOUR SERIES, UH, TOTAL PRINCIPAL OUTSTANDING.
AND THIS WAS AFTER THE 2016 PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS WERE MADE, UH, ROUGHLY OVER 4 MILLION OR 42 MILLION, SLIGHTLY OVER 42 MILLION.
THAT'S, THAT'S SHOWN IN COLUMN D, THE PRINCIPAL INTEREST AND THEN THE PROPOSED SERIES.
UH, KNOWING THAT IT WOULD NOT OCCUR UNTIL FUTURELY USE PROJECTED INTEREST RATES, THIS WOULD PRODUCE 26 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS TO THE COUNTY.
THE PREMIUM THAT WE'RE SEEING CURRENTLY IN THE BOND MARKET WE CAN USE TO PAY THE COST OF ISSUANCE FOR THE COUNTY.
YOU CAN SEE WE STRUCTURED THE PRINCIPLE ON THE NEW PROPOSED BONDS COLUMN E TO SLIGHTLY TAKEN ACCOUNT, UH, THE ASSUMED VALUE GROWTH OVER THE TERM TO KEEP THAT TAX RATE, UH, MITIGATED IN THE FIRST FEW YEARS.
COLUMNS I AND J, THAT THOSE ARE THE PROJECTED TAX RATES, UH, TAKING ACCOUNT THAT THE COUNTY'S EXISTING DEBT AND THE PROPOSED 26 OH.
GIVEN THE VALUE ASSUMPTIONS AND AS THE JUDGE MENTIONED, WE, WE CAN'T ADJUST THOSE AFTER WEDNESDAY.
UH, WE'RE SHOWING TAX RATE WOULD CAP OUT AROUND 6.85 CENTS TO COVER THE EXISTING END WHEN WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AGAIN AT THE, THE PROPOSITION AND THE ELECTION MATERIAL BACK IN 13 7.8.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, IF WE SELL THESE BONDS, WE'LL ACTUALLY COME IN ABOUT A THINK LESS, A LITTLE MORE LESS THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED.
SO THAT'S, WE'VE BEEN SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE IN THE INTEREST RATE IN THIS ASSUMPTION HERE AND THEN AS THE JUDGMENT UP THE VALUE.
BUT AS IT STANDS UP, AND THEN FURTHER TO THE RIGHT, WE'VE PROJECTED, UH, PASS PAYMENTS WHEN, WHEN RECEIVED, UM, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE FOR THE, THE AMOUNT OF PASS PAYMENTS THAT WOULD BE RECEIVED TOWARDS DEATH SERVICE COLUMN.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE NETTED OUT THE PASS THROUGH PAYMENTS TO COME BACK TO A TAX RATE ONCE THE PASS THROUGH PAYMENTS ARE AVAILABLE AND CAN BE USED FOR DEBT SERVICE.
AND THAT'S SHOWING COLUMN YOU FAR RIGHT.
SO COLUMN WOULD BE THE TAX RATE NET OF PASS THROUGH PAYMENTS.
SO WE ACTUALLY ARE LOOKING FOR 205,000 2017.
I THINK TALKING TO THE JUDGE, THAT MAY BE A LITTLE ACCELERATED.
AND I'M A LITTLE SCARED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE, THE WAY THAT IT HELPED ME ON THIS TIME, THE WAY THE PASS THROUGH WORKS, THE STATE HAS TO COME IN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEIR CLOCK STARTS TICKING, BUT THEY, IT HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AND TRAFFIC CAN RUN ON IT.
THEN THAT'S WHEN THEIR METER COMES IN A YEAR AFTER THAT.
I MEAN BE ABLE TO COUNT IT BEFORE THEY CAN PAY IT, THEN A YEAR LATER AND THEN IT KICKS IN.
SO YOU'VE GOT A YEAR DELAY THERE, BUT THAT START, IT WON'T START UNTIL IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.
THEY SIGNED OFF WITH TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION MONEY.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT REALISTIC.
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17.AND SO LET ME ASK MIKE, MIKE, I'M GLAD YOU STAYED.
THE FIRST PASS GROUP PROJECT, I BELIEVE AS THE METER STARTED COUNTING ON THE FIVE, OUR SQUARE 5 57 FRONTAGE ROAD METER STARTED IN JUNE.
AND SO WE'LL WAIT A YEAR FROM THERE.
WE'LL GET OUR FIRST PAYMENT FROM THAT ONE IN JUNE OF 17.
SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY, WE JUST DON'T WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE.
WHAT ABOUT ANYTHING? I BELIEVE MIKE SLY TOLD ME THAT THEY EXPECT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION IN EITHER SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER'S TIMEFRAME ON, ON FOUR ITEMS. SO YOU GOT ANOTHER YEAH, WE CAN'T COUNT ANYTHING AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE LARGER, YEAH.
ITS NOW THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO, WE COULD ALL START ONE OUT THERE DRIVING UP BICYCLE.
BICYCLE, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK, RETIRE.
BUT ANYWAY, I I'M HESITANT TO BUDGET ANYTHING.
DO I, I'M, I'M REALLY HESITANT TO SCHEDULE ANYTHING DURING THIS NEXT BUDGET HERE.
I MEAN WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONLY, I MEAN IT'S A LARGE AMOUNT, TWO 5,000 AND I DUNNO WHETHER THAT'LL, THAT'LL GENERATE 5 57 IF YOU REMEMBER ANY PROJECTIONS ON THAT OR NOT.
BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ARE GONNA BE SPLITTING SOMETHING LIKE 400,000.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF OUR CLOCK STARTED IN JUNE, WHICH IS CORRECT, AND WE GO ALL THE WAY AROUND FOR A YEAR CYCLE, I STILL HAVE TO HAVE TEX DOT CUT A CHECK THE CITY OF TAR, GET THE CHECK AND THEN GET THAT MONEY TO YOU GUYS.
BE THAT, THAT SHOULD WORK OUT BY END OF SEPTEMBER FY AT 17.
BUT MAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST SO CLOSE.
THAT SEEMS I'D, I'D BE, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK COLUMN J WOULD BE THE, THE COLUMN WE WOULD FOCUS ON.
THAT CASE ONCE IT DOES KICK IN, THEN YOU CAN FACTOR THAT IN FOR FUTURE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON COLUMN E THROUGH H YOU HAVE THE, THE 23 MILLION AT 9 22 2016.
UH, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT FIRST INTEREST PAYMENT WOULD BE DUE? YES MA'AM.
WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 15TH, 2017.
I KNEW IT WAS EITHER FEBRUARY.
SO WE'LL NEED TO AND THE, THE TIMING AND WE HAVE A CALENDAR, THE NEXT PAGE AS SUCH THAT, THAT THE DEBT WOULD BE PROPOSED TO GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.
THE SECOND PAGE THAT THE CALENDAR BE ASSUMED ISSUANCE IS TARGETED THROUGH THE AUGUST 22ND REGULAR MEETING DATE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE BONDS TO BE SOLD AND IN PLACE AND THEN THE COUNTY CAN TAX RATES SERVICE THAT DEBT, UH, COMING DUE FEBRUARY OF 17.
AND THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO VISIT WITH THE COURT ON RIGHT NOW, THE MARKET FOR SOUTHWEST TO FORWARD THIS VOLATILE RIGHT.
IT'S VERY GOOD RATES LOW, BUT GOING INTO THE MARKET IN THE COUNTY IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THIS TIME ON MONDAY MORNING, RIGHT, WE RAN INTO THAT LAST TIME WE SAW AND THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING SOMEBODY OVER A WEEKEND AND CONNECT TO A RIGHT AND YOU CANNOT EXPECT THAT YOU'RE GONNA HIT ALL THE BEST BIDS ARE TRYING TO SAY WHO MIGHT COME INTO THEIR OFFICE EARLY ON MONDAY AND TO NEGOTIATE THE, IF YOU WENT TO A COMPETITIVE SALE, IF YOU WENT TO A NEGOTIATING SALE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO NEGOTIATE A FINAL RATE ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY.
OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE FOR THE COURT TO MEET ON THE 22ND CALL THE I TO THEN RECESS AND CONVENE THE NEXT DAY TO AT YOUR REGULAR TIME OR WHENEVER THAT WOULD GIVE
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FIRST SOUTHWEST SUFFICIENT TIME TO NEGOTIATE AN INTEREST RATE WITH THE PURCHASER.THAT SHOULD GET YOU THE BEST RATE POSSIBLE RATHER THAN TRYING TO DO IT ON A MONDAY.
WE COULD JUST RECESS AND THAT'S ALL LEGAL.
YOU WOULD'VE MENTIONED IF IT HADN'T BEEN.
AND WE, UH, I REMEMBER WE RAN INTO THAT AND WE SAW THE FIRST UH, 36 MINUTE, 30 MINUTE, WELL IT AND RAN INTO THAT.
BUT NOW IT'S EVEN MORE DICEY BECAUSE OF THE ARE KISH.
WELL I MEAN ALL IT'S LIKE TURKEY THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT LITTLE, ALL THAT STUFF MAKES PEOPLE JITTERY, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE, NO, I THINK THE VOLATILITY, LEMME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
WHAT WE 17TH, YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU'VE GOT TO SELL YOUR BONDS ON A REGULAR MEETING DATE.
AND YOU CAN CONVENE ON THE 22ND YOUR REGULAR AND YOU'LL CONTINUE IT ON TO THE NEXT DAY.
ADJOURN THE MEETING, WE'LL JUST RECESS THE AND COME BACK ON THAT TUESDAY.
WE WERE ABLE TO PRICE THE BONDS MAYBE THE THURSDAY BEFORE AND THAT THE INVESTORS AND THE UNDERWRITER CAN HOLD THEIR BID OVER THE WEEKEND GIVEN FORMAL APPROVAL GIVEN THE VOLATILITY WORKS TO BENEFIT BECAUSE RATES, I'D SAY PROBABLY TWO WEEKS AGO WE HIT ALL TIME LOWS IN TERMS OF MUNICIPAL BOND RATES.
SO A PERIOD OF TIME WHAT WERE, DEPENDING ON OUR CREDIT RATING AND ALL THAT.
WHAT, WHERE WERE WE THEN? WE, WE WERE PROJECTING CLOSE MAYBE UNDER 3%.
THIS SCHEDULE ASSUMES A 3 25 IS FOR ILLUSTRATION, GIVEN POSSIBLE MOVEMENT BETWEEN NOW AND 22ND, BUT AROUND 3%.
SO THE TIMING ON IT IS GOOD, ASSUMING THAT NOTHING CRAZY HAPPENS AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT MUNICIPAL BONDS BECAUSE THEY'RE STABLE.
IT'S, ESPECIALLY IN THE TREASURY MARKET, I THINK YOU'RE, WE'RE GETTING A POINT NOW WHERE INVESTORS HAVE STARTED TO BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT GIVEN THAT RATES ARE SO LOW.
SO THAT'S UP A HISTORICALLY WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM IN TERMS OF RATES TOMORROW AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS AS AN UNLIMITED TAX BOND SHOULD ALSO BE A FACTOR PROMISE.
WE'VE JUST COMPLETED OUR AUDIT AND UH, IT ACCEPTED BY THE COURT.
I THINK I SENT YOU COPIES OF THAT.
WE'RE IN A LOT BETTER SHAPE THAN WHAT WE WERE WHEN WE SAW THE FIRST
SO, UH, DO YOU THINK THAT WILL, UH, HELP US? I ASSUME? UH, I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD STORY TO TELL PART OF THE PROCESS BETWEEN DOWN THE 22ND WE'LL GO TO THE RATING AGENCY.
BACK IN 2014, THE COUNTY WAS UPGRADE TO TWO NOTCHES.
UM, WAS INDICAT OF THE PERFORMANCE, UM, COMING OFF OF 2009 2010 RATING EIGHT AGENCY.
SO THE COUNTY CARRIED AN A PLUS RATING BACK IN 14 AND WE WOULD EXPECT SOMETHING SIMILAR.
WE GO BEFORE AS IT'S SET ON THE CALENDAR, UH, 1ST OF AUGUST.
SO WE'LL APPROACH RATING, SEE WITH INFORMATION AND HAVE THAT RATING FOR THE BONDS TO BE SOLD.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I APPROVE THIS BEST RATE LOOKS LIKE WE'LL EVER GET AND WE HAVE I THINK PROJECTS THAT ARE WAITING 1 51 OR ONE.
I I DON'T WANNA WEIGH IN ANY Y'ALL'S FINANCIAL DECISION 'CAUSE THAT'S Y'ALL'S BUSINESS, BUT I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE SPUR 5 57 FRONTAGE ROAD AND YOU DON'T DRIVE ON IT.
IT'S, IT IS A GREAT LOOKING PROJECT AND IT REALLY HAS HELPED THE CITY OF TERRELL AND I KNOW ALL THE OTHER CITIES FEEL THE SAME WAY.
THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE ANXIOUS TO BUILD IS THE FM 1 48 BRIDGE OVER SPUR 5 57.
COUNTY BOMB PROGRAMS ARE GONNA MAKE THAT FOUR LANE BRIDGE WITH TURN LANES AND IMPROVED THE INTERSECTION OF APACHE TRAIL.
THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE PROJECT FOR US.
AND UM, WE ARE ABOUT DONE WITH THE ENGINEERING SO Y'ALL'S TIMING HERE AND OUR TIMING WITH BUILDING ARE PERFECT.
UH, SO JUST THANK YOU FOR, FOR DOING THAT WORK.
IT'S, IT'S HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING THIS.
SO YOU GONNA GIVE US ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO DO AS FAR AS POSTING POST? YES.
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FINALIZE THE SCHEDULE, WE'LL GET AN DOCUMENT PULLED TOGETHER.WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? I MEAN, YOU'RE THE BRAINS OF THAT.
SO YOU SAID EVERYTHING CARLA PUT TOGETHER THE NUMBERS HERE.
WELL, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE'RE, THIS WILL BE A, A GOOD TIME TO SELL, YOU KNOW, AND UH, THAT HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A, GET A GOOD RATING AND JUST AS SOON AS WE GET THE CERTIFIED ROLL OFF, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU JUST IMMEDIATELY AS SOON AS WE DO THAT.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING ON THAT TOO, UH, FOR OUR BUDGET PURPOSES AS WELL.
SO ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COURT HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FOR ALRIGHTY, NEXT ITEM, UH, IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
WE SKIPPED OVER AND THAT IS THE, UH, REPORT FROM OUR MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR, MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
BOBBY, YOU, UH, WE'VE TALKED AND I I THINK YOU MAY HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE ERS ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, UH, MOST PRESSING MAINTENANCE PROJECTS, UH, WE HAVE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ALL ON.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY JUST TO KIND OF GIVE US A LIST OF THINGS SO WE CAN KNOW, UH, AS WE WORK ON NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UH, UH, TAKE CARE OF SOME OF OUR OLD BUILDINGS AND, UH, I GUESS THESE ARE IN SOME SORT OF, UH, PRIORITY ORDER OR JUST CAN BE MOVED AROUND.
I KNOW THE, THE JUVENILE PROBATION BILL DI SO YEAH, SO, UM, AFTER DOING SOME EVALUATIONS THROUGHOUT THE, UH, COUNTY ON THE FACILITIES, THE JUVENILE PROBATION, UM, THE ROOF IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.
UM, I'VE HAD SEVERAL QUOTES ON THAT.
UM, THE MAIN COURTHOUSE, THERE'S TWO SECTIONS OR THREE SECTIONS OF THE MAIN COURTHOUSE, BUT THE TWO LOWER SECTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FOAM OUT OF THE WINGS.
AND THEN THEY'VE BEEN FOAM SPRAY FOAMED AND SEALED.
THE MAIN COURTHOUSE HAD NOT, UM, THAT WAS ONE.
AND WE, WE CHASE LEAKS ON THAT ONE.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS THERE'S A LEAK SOMEWHERE.
UM, SO WE, IF WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION TO PUT A NEW MOVE ON.
SOMEBODY'S ALREADY PHONED TWO WINGS OF IT, SO OKAY.
AND THE, UM, THE EXTERIOR CLEANING OF THE MAIN COURTHOUSE, WE HAD LOOKED AT MAYBE DOING SOME POWER WASHING, UM, CLEANING, IF YOU NOTICE THAT BRICK'S KIND OF A WHITE LOOKING BRICK AND IS, THERE'S MOLD ALL OVER IT RIGHT NOW, SO CLEANING THAT OFF, UM, DOING IT SOME REPAIR IT TO THE BARE STONES ON THE ROOF AROUND THERE.
A LOT OF THE WRAPS START TO COME OUT ON THOSE.
SO WE NEED REROUT THOSE IN BEFORE ONE THE FALLS OFF.
THAT COPING, THEY'VE BEEN UP THERE FOREVER, YOU KNOW, SO THE COPING, I THINK THEY CALLED THE COPING SUMMIT, RIGHT? THERE'S THE, SOME OF THE, THE GROUT OR, OR UH, WHATEVER WAS JUST TOTALLY ALMOST GONE.
AND, UH, BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF NEEDS TO BE JUST CLEANED.
I MEAN IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST OVER A PERIOD OF, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED AND THEN COME BACK WITH SOME SORT OF A WATERPROOFING MARK.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU ESTIMATED? YES.
THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE ESTIMATED.
UM, EXTERIOR PAINT WITH THE ANNEX AND THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE RIGHT THERE ON THE SQUARE.
UM, I GOT A REALLY GOOD QUOTE TO PAINT ALL THAT.
UM, LIKE 35,000 TO DO BOTH OF THEM, UM, TO MY MOUTH.
WHO'S GONNA PICK THE COLOR? Y'ALL, Y'ALL WILL PICK THE COLOR.
I THINK THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CONTROVERSY.
THE BIGGEST, IT'S INSURED ALMOST.
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YOU KNOW, I HAD LOOKED AT, UM, CARPET REPLACEMENT.I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF PUT A STAKEHOLDER ABOUT 15,000 IN THERE FOR CARPET REPLACEMENT IN THE MAIN COURTHOUSE.
BUT AFTER FURTHER REVIEW, IF YOU GO LOOK AT SOME OF THE, THE MAIN COURTROOMS THAT ARE USED IN THERE, HE MOVED BACK.
KNOW THERE WERE SOME AREAS THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, LIKE IN THE DA'S OFFICE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THERE WAS SOME MORE CARS PREPARED.
UH, SO JUST KIND OF PUTTING THIS OUT THERE, UM, THE PARKING LOT REPAIRS AT THE ANNEX, WE, I SPOKE WITH KEITH TO, UH, TO HELP ME COME UP WITH A NUMBER ON THAT.
UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WHAT QUI WAS SAYING IS THAT THE CITY DONATED THIS ROAD RIGHT BEHIND HERE TO THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT ROAD IS OURS.
THE WHOLE THING, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SOME TIME AGO.
I FOUND OUT THAT, THAT AT LEAST A PORTION OF THAT ROAD WE'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THE CITY, BUT AT LEAST A PORTION OF THIS, WHEREVER THIS STREET IS, IS REALLY OUR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW? AND SO I, AND I THINK IT GOES IN BEHIND THE, UH, THE FURNITURE WAREHOUSE AND THAT, BUT WE, WE TRIED TO VERIFY THAT AGAIN.
WE LOOKED AT BRINGING THAT PARKING LOT, REDOING THE WHOLE PARKING LOT, BRINGING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THIS BACK DOOR, TAKING THE CURBS OUT.
THERE WILL BE NO ROAD IN BETWEEN THERE TO ALL BE PARKING.
FIGURING OUT THE UTILITY TO GET THE UTILITY STUFF OUTTA THE WAY PARKING LOT.
BUT ALSO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A PARKING LOT COME ALL THE WAY UP HERE AND THAT WAY WE COULD YOU TURN THAT BUILDING DIRECT? WHATEVER Y'ALL, WE TAKE IT CURRENTLY IT'S A WORKOUT ROOM.
WELL, PART PART OF IT IS WE CAN MOVE THAT TO THE SECOND OFFICE.
IT'S A, UH, IT'S NOT MUCH OF A WORKOUTS WE HAVE RAISED UP.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INCLUDE TAKING DOWN THE OLD DRIVE.
AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER ITEM WE LOOKED AT DOING WAS THE, UH, THIS COURTROOM THAT WAS REVAMPING THIS COURTROOM AND THEY, UM, I HAD SPOKE WITH, UH, DAVIS ENGINEERING OVER THERE ABOUT GETTING THIS, SOME STRUCTURAL DRAWING FOR THIS RIGHT HERE.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE NEXT WEEK SAID, COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND MAYBE SEE ABOUT THIS.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
THEY WON'T MAKE A DECISION TO AUGUST 1ST.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, I DOUBT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ALL THESE NEXT YEAR, BUT AT LEAST IT GETS THEM ON THE, ON OUR RADAR.