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READY TO GO.THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 12, AND THAT IS TO DISCUSS A PROPOSED CALL COUNTY.
DISCUSS REINSTATING LONGEVITY PAY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER CERTIFICATE PAY TO 2016 OF KAREN.
I MEAN, NOT KAREN, BUT UH, HI.
PUT TOGETHER KIND OF JUST A GENERAL FIGURE ON WHAT IT COST.
IF WE DID REINSTATE THE, UH, LONGEVITY PAY AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDE EVERY EMPLOYEE, NOT JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE EVERY EMPLOYEE.
THIS IS THE FIFTH YEAR, I BELIEVE.
OUR LAST YEAR WAS THE FIFTH YEAR OF NOT DOING THAT.
UH, I BELIEVE IN, UH, 2011, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2011.
AND ANYBODY THAT WAS ON LONGEVITY PAY WAS GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT.
BUT WE DID THAT AND IT ACTUALLY WOUND UP SAVING US ABOUT HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT IT ACCUMULATED, IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THERE.
SO SOME OF, SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT REALLY, UH, IT'S 3%, UH, OF WHATEVER THEIR BASE SALARY IS, I BELIEVE FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND UH, BUT IT DOES SERVE AS A WAY OF, UH, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO STICK AROUND AND NOT LEAVE COUNTY EMPLOYMENT.
SO I BELIEVE YOU TOLD ME THAT IF WE DID IT ON ACROSS THE BOARD THIS YEAR, INCLUDING EVERYBODY THAT'S AN EMPLOYEE OF FULL-TIME, EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY, UH, THAT IT WOULD COST US ABOUT $20,000.
BECAUSE THE WAY WHEN YOU STOPPED IT, YOU STOPPED IT OCTOBER, ANYBODY HIRED ON OR AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, 2011 WILL NOT RECEIVE IT.
SO ANYBODY THAT WAS HIRED PRIOR TO THAT WAS GRANDFATHER IN AND IS CURRENTLY RECEIVING THEIR 3% FOR EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO THE NEW ANYBODY STARTED OCTOBER 1ST, UM, 2011 AND LATER, THIS WOULD BE THE YEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THEIR 3% INCREASE.
AND SO OF THAT LIST OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY GETTING WHATEVER THEY'RE GETTING.
JUST OF THOSE PEOPLE, IT'S ABOUT $19,707 A YEAR.
AND THAT INCLUDES AIR FREE FULL TIME.
WELL, AS OF THE DATE THAT I HAVE, YES.
BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE THIS YEAR.
NOT EVERYBODY'S ELIGIBLE THIS YEAR, BUT MOVING FORWARD NEXT YEAR, IT'LL BE AN ADDED EXPERIENCE.
THAT'D HAVE TO BE THEIR FIFTH YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
SO AS A, THIS IS WHERE, UM, EVEN MORE SAVINGS WOULD COME INTO PLAY.
'CAUSE THESE PEOPLE, IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, ADD LONGEVITY BACK, THESE PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE RECEIVING ANYTHING.
SO, BUT YOU JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ADDED EXPENSE FROM THIS DAY FORWARD.
IT'S STILL THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY, UM, GOOD BENEFIT.
I THINK IT IS A BENEFIT THAT KEEPS EMPLOYEES, GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
KIND OF KEEPS 'EM HERE LONGER.
SO THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAD BEEN HERE, 11 KIDS NOW, NOT NOW.
ON THEIR ANNIVERSARY, THEY WERE HIRED, THEY WERE HIRED JANUARY OF 2012.
WHAT ABOUT THE OLDER ONES THAT WERE HIRED IN 2000? THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING IT.
THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE, THEY CONTINUE TO GET IT.
SO IF THEY'VE BEEN HERE 15 YEARS, THEY CAN'T GET ANOTHER 3%.
SO I'M NOT EVEN, WHEN I TELL YOU THAT $20,000, I'M NOT FACTORING IN THAT.
ALL I'M FACTORING IN IS NEW PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE GETTING 3%.
KIND OF BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED THOUGH, ENOUGH PEOPLE RETIRED TO OFFSET YES.
NEW PEOPLE FROM THE NEXT FIVE.
WELL, BECAUSE WHAT ALSO CHANGED, WHAT ALSO CHANGED TOO IS THAT WE NO LONGER BRIDGE THAT.
SO THERE USED TO BE A BENEFIT TO WHERE THEY WOULD BRIDGE THE GAP.
SO IF YOU LEFT AND CAME BACK WITHIN SO MUCH, THEN YOU GET YOUR LONGEVITY BACK.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD CONTINUE.
'CAUSE IF YOU LEAVE EMPLOYMENT, YOU LEAVE EMPLOYMENT.
WE, WE WANT TO TREAT YOU AS IF YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK.
BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL EMPLOYEES THAT DO COME BACK AND WHEN THEY DO COME BACK, THEN GIVE THEM WHATEVER THE BENEFIT REVENUE THEY HAVE TO THEIR WAITING PERIOD AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO RESTART ON THEIR VACATION TIME.
AND, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE LONGEVITY.
SO THEN THEY WOULD START OVER FROM THERE.
AND THEN THE EVERYBODY, UH, SOUNDS THE, OKAY.
SO THEN THE NEXT PART OF THAT IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER CERTIFICATE PAID.
UH, AND CHIEF BEAVERS, UH, KIND OF GIVE US
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THE HISTORY OF THAT.I KNOW IT WAS ELIMINATED BEFORE I BEER.
YOU MIGHT GIVE US A HISTORY ABOUT WHY IT WAS TERMINATED OR WHY WE ENDED IT.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, UH, THE PEOPLE WERE GRANDFATHERED, UH, INTO IT.
IF YOU HAD CERTIFICATE PAID STILL JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE THE LONGEVITY.
ONCE IT WAS CANCELED, EVERYBODY'S GRANDFATHERED IT IN, KEPT WHAT THEY HAD.
EVEN IF YOU GOT A NEW LICENSE, YOU DIDN'T GET ANY MORE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY IT WAS CANCELED? I DO NOT.
TO ME, IT, MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS MONEY.
SO I THINK KIND OF LIKE THE, THE SAME REASON THAT THE LONGEVITY LEFT.
TELL US YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT.
WELL, IT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MAINTAIN EMPLOYEES AND KEEP EMPLOYEES PLUS ALSO GIVE THEM INCENTIVES TO GO TRAIN.
UH, BECAUSE SO MUCH TRAINING GETS THERE.
NEXT LEVEL, WHICH IS THE INTERMEDIATE, AND THIS, THIS GOES FROM DETENTION ALL THE WAY TO COMMUNICATIONS AND DEPUTY, THEN THEY GET THEIR ADVANCE AND THEN THEY GET THEIR MASTER.
AND IT APPLIES TO ALL LAWYERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, CERTIFIED PERSONNEL.
1200 FOR EACH, FOR EACH CERTIFICATE.
AND I BELIEVE YOUR NUMBER AND YOU AND BRIAN, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE TALKED, WE HAVE NOT TALKED, I THINK HIS NUMBER, I, THE, I GOT MY LIST FROM HIM AND THEN I CREATED MY SPREADSHEET NOT FROM ME, FROM MY OTHER, FROM HIS STAFF.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION.
BUT MY LIST ALSO INCLUDES CONSTABLES, FIRE MARSHALS, THE INVESTIGATORS IN THE DA'S OFFICE.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE ALL CLASSIFIED AS LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES.
SO I THINK THOSE MAY BE CONSIDERED IN THAT LUMP SUM.
AND I, I THINK THEY NEED TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU OUR CALL.
JUST US AND I NO, YOU LOOK THE NAME RIGHT.
BOY, YOU'RE HAPPY NOW YOU MAKE DINNER.
HUH? IF YOU LOOK AT IT, I BROKE DOWN IN THREE DIFFERENT, AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF SHEET ON THE VERY FAR FRONT OF IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, UH, FIVE 60 RIGHT NOW, THE VERY FIRST LINE ITEM YOU SEE CONSISTENT PAID YEAR TO DATE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW.
THE PEOPLE THAT GRANDFATHERED IN THE SECOND LINE, WHICH YOU SEE TOTAL, THAT'D BE EVERYBODY.
WE PAID THEM RIGHT NOW OF WHAT LICENSE THEY'RE HOLDING.
THAT WOULD BE THE NINE MONEY THAT WE'D HAVE TO PAY THE 122.
FOR 5 60 30 2000, UH, FOR 5 61 AND 45.
THAT'D BE THE TOTAL THAT THAT WOULD BE PAID.
SO IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE GRAND TOTAL OF 148,800, IF YOU BROKE IT UP, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YEARS, UH, DOING PART OF IT THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN THE SECOND YEAR YOU COULD BREAK IT THAT WAY.
AND THIS NEXT BUDGET IN 39 WOULD BE THE SECOND YEAR BUDGET.
SO THIS YEAR, IF WE DECIDED THAT THE COURT DECIDED TO, UH, GO PARKWAY AND WITH, UH, WITH THE CERTIFICATE PLAY FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEE, UH, I MEAN THE EMPLOYEES NOT THAT ARE ELIGIBLE BUT CURRENTLY ARE NOT RECEIVING IT.
IF WE PHASED IT IN, UH, THE FIRST YEAR, UH, THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 109.
AND I THINK, AND LET ME TELL YOU HOW, HOW THAT CAN CHANGE IF YOU GET IT OVER THREE YEARS, BUT TWO YEARS, WE COULD TAKE PROBABLY ABOUT, I THINK I FIGURED ABOUT 23,000, MOVED IT DOWN TO THE SECOND YEAR.
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF OFFICERS THAT'S GOT THEIR MASTERS AND GETTING NOTHING OUT OF IT.
SO THAT'S BEING THE 24TH AT THE VERY FIRST AND 12TH BACK.
YOU COULD MOVE SOME OF THAT TO THE BACKSIDE AND OFFSET THAT SUM.
ARE YOU GONNA PAY MORE LIKE YOU HIRED ONE YOU PAYING FIRST DAY OR NO, THAT'S WHY I PUT DOWN THEIR BOTTOM.
YOU'VE GOTTA BE HERE A YEAR AND THIS IS HOW WE CAN MANAGE AND BUDGET WISE.
BEFORE WE DIDN'T REALLY DO THAT.
UH, AFTER YOU GOTTA WORK FOR US FOR A YEAR AFTER A YEAR, YOUR ANNIVERSARY DATE, THEN YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR 1200 A YEAR.
WHICH HAS HELPED US MAINTAIN PEOPLE.
IF I COME TO WORK FOR THREE YEARS TO GET UP TO YOUR 30, GET YOUR 30.
IF I COME HERE WITH A MASTER CERTIFICATE, IT'S GONNA TAKE ME THREE YEARS TO GET MY, AND THAT'S THE WAY FOR GRANDPA.
PLUS THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO AND MAINTAIN IT GOOD BUSINESS WISE.
WELL, AND I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, HOW BIG OF A HELP WILL BE JUST BE TO US TO HOLD ON TO I'M IT'S A
I THINK CERTIFICATE, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA DO THIS JUST ON LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTROL THREE TRAINING.
FACT THE OTHER CERTIFICATE OTHER.
NO, THIS IS ONLY STATE CERTIFIED.
EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE GETTING A CERTIFICATES FOR FROM
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THE STATE.YOU'RE COMMISSIONED BY THE STATE.
WHAT, HOW IS THAT GONNA HELP THE COUNTY DO THEIR JOB? I MEAN, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO? WHAT DO THEY RUN? WELL, THE STATE SETS DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR AS FAR CHILD ABUSE CASES.
ALL INTERMEDIATE TAXES THAT YOU'VE GOTTA TAKE.
IT'S LIKE THE NEWEST MANDATE THEY ABOUT, UH, DOG.
IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING WE'VE GOTTA DO.
BUT THEY SET THIS CRITERIA FOR YOU TO GET YOUR LICENSING GOALS INTO YEARS.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GETTING THESE PEOPLE EDUCATED, TRAINED AND THEN THEY'RE GETTING THESE CERTIFICATES IN WHICH WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM TO GO DO THAT.
SO THIS IS MAKING A BETTER OFFICER.
PLUS WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT OFFICER BECAUSE WE'RE EDUCATING THIS IS TRAINING THAT'S MANDATED BY, MANDATED BY THE STATE.
AND IF I COULD JUST ADD, JUST IN A TYPICAL FASHION, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STATE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL HAVE MANDATES.
WE OBVIOUSLY ONE TO TAKE IT TO KEEP THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, BUT AS THAT TURNS AROUND TO US, IT MAKES SOME BETTER WITNESSES IN COURT MAKES THE CASES BETTER.
SO IF ULTIMATELY FOR YOU AS THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE SAFETY BACK TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT BETTER TRAINED OFFICERS.
AND IT ALSO IS A NICE WAY TO RETAIN YOUR OFFICERS TO COMPETE.
AND WE ALL KNOW THE CLIMATE THAT WE'RE IN WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND IT'S NOT SAYING, OH LET'S FEEL SORRY WITH PEOPLE.
THIS IS A VOCATION AND PROFESSIONALLY CHOOSE.
BUT IN THE END IT CERTAINLY MAKES OUR JOB EASIER.
YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE, AND I'M, I'M NOT CALLING NAMES, I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION WHEN YOU DEALING WITH THEM AND THE PROFESSIONALISM WITH US IN THE DA'S OFFICE, IT IS A DIFFERENT, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
AND IN THE END I THINK YOU GET A BETTER PRODUCT.
JUST, I MEAN I'VE SEEN, OH YEAH.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR DISCUSSION? SO IT'S GONNA BE THE COST OF UH, THIS BUDGET YEAR 148,000.
AND THAT'S JUST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
NOW WE'VE STILL GOT, 'CAUSE I BELIEVE WE NEED TO INCLUDE ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THE CONSTABLES AND FIRE MARSHALS AND EVERYBODY WHO'S GETTING THE, I THINK FAIR.
SO WE'RE TALKING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY NUMBER WAS A LITTLE MORE THAN YOURS.
SO I THINK THAT JUST INCLUDED THE, BUT I DIDN'T BREAK MINE DOWN TO LET IT OUT.
CONSTABLE, DEPUTY CONSTABLE, WHOEVER'S A FULLTIME EMPLOYEE.
THE SAME ROOM CONSTABLE CAN'T GO OUT AND HIRE A, A GUY WITH HIS MANAGER PEACE OFFICER GET 3,600 HIS FIRST TIME.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE THERE THREE YEARS IN ORDER TO GET IT.
AND UH, BUT NOW THAT'S NOT, IS THAT THE TOTAL FIRST YEAR COST? MY NUMBER WAS TOTAL FIRST YEAR.
IF WE PAID EVERYBODY WHAT THE, BY THE CERTIFICATE THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WAS YOUR NUMBER? MINE WAS 1 1 65.
BUT THAT'S NOT PHASING IT IN? NO.
AND SO FIRST YEAR GRAND 1 48 PRETTY CLOSE.
IT'S GONNA BE FAIRLY CLOSE BUT MINE HAS, MINE HAS FIRE MARSHAL AND EVERYONE.
SO, BUT IF THE WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT WOULD BE PHASED IN 1200.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE ESTIMATED COST THEN FOR THIS, THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR? ARE YOU TALKING, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TO WHAT THEY HAVE NOW OR IF WE IMPLEMENT IT YOU'D ONLY HIT THE 1200.
WELL WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THOSE MEAN THAT ARE GETTING IT.
SOME OF THEM, HE COULD START IT OUT AS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY, THIS IS THEIR FIRST YEAR AND WORK 1, 2, 3 YEARS, THREE YEARS FROM NOW THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL THEM OUT.
LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY GETTING THEIR INTER INTERMEDIATE.
BUT THEY HAVE THEIR MASTERS RIGHT NOW.
THIS YEAR THEY WOULD JUST GET 1200.
THEY'D ONLY PAY 'EM FOR THE INTERMEDIATE.
WE DECIDE TO IMPLEMENT THE WHOLE EVERYBODY IT WOULD BE HUNDRED 60, 5, 60 IS THAT WE ALREADY 5,000.
THAT INCLUDES DA'S OFFICE, SHERIFF JAIL AND MUCH WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING SOMEWHERE.
THE REASON THIS YEAR IT'S GONNA BE, KAREN, CAN YOU WORK THE NUMBERS AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
I KNOW HE'S GOT HIS NUMBER UP.
BUT WHERE WE WOULD BE WITH LET SAY ALL CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICERS, INVESTIGATORS AND EVERYTHING, WHAT WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW, WHAT WE WOULD PAY AND AND WHEN ARE YOU PROPOSING IMPLEMENTING THIS THIS COMING YEAR? WHEN WOULD THEY BE PAYING? WELL, WHEN WE RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE RAISE, HALF OF 'EM WERE ON ONE PAY CYCLE AND SOMETHING ELSE NOT.
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A MESS.UM, IF WE DO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THE BUDGET YEAR, OCTOBER EVERYBODY HIT AND THEN GO BY BUDGET YEAR NOT BY THERE.
AND THE FUTURE YOU CAN GO BY, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE FUTURE FOR NEW HIRES YOU CAN GO BY THEIR ANNUAL YEAR OR BY THEIR CERTIFICATION DATE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE SOME THAT ARE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THEIR CERTIFICATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT THAT IMPLEMENT THAT COMMISSIONER.
THINK WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THE BUDGET YEAR MEANT MEANT DAY ONE OF THAT BUDGET YEAR.
NOT BECAUSE THEIR PAY WEEK STARTED THE WEEK BEFORE THE BUDGET OF THE YEAR.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT LAST YEAR.
WE DO NOT WANNA DO THAT AGAIN.
WHAT I WAS GONNA TELL YOU IS I'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH LORI AND BEAVERS TO GET A LIST OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU'VE GOT.
SO IT COULD BE WORKED IN BECAUSE LIKE HE SAID, THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY THAT'S ONLY GETTING THERE 2,400 AND THEY SHOULDA HAVE BEEN GETTING 3,600.
SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S STRUCTURED AND Y'ALL APPROVE IT.
YEAH, WE NEED TO SEE SOME TYPE OF SCHEDULE WHEN WE SAY WHAT COSTS.
I THINK THAT'D BE EASY FOR US TO WORK WITH.
THEN WE'LL HAVE WHAT YOU DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT US TO CREATE THE NUMBERS AS IT PHASING IT IN 1200 EACH YEAR? YES.
THEY'VE GOT THREE CERTIFICATES NOW THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR.
THAT'D BE ONE FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT.
SO THE CONSENSUS IS WE WILL WORK THIS IN, UH, DEPENDING ON WHERE, WHERE WE COME OUT BUDGET WISE AS FAR AS OUR CERTIFIED VALUES KNOW AND ALL THAT'S CONCERNED AND, UH, WORKING WITH MR. RATCLIFF BELOW THAT ROLL.
BUT THIS IS NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I MEAN WELL, I MEAN HUNDRED SOMETHING THOUSAND IS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, TO DISCUSS A, A PROPOSED KAMAN COUNTY POLICY OF COMPLIANCE PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION ONE 30.908 IN REGARDS TO EXPENDITURES OCCURRED BY OUTGOING COUNTY AND PRECINCT OFFICERS.
AND, UH, LEMME JUST KIND OF, UH, TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
I HAVE HAD, UH, SOME, UH, OF OUR INCOMING, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, THAT HAVE MENTIONED TO ME THAT THEY HAVE HAD RUMORS AND, UH, FROM EMPLOYEES DIFFERENT, UH, DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HEARING, UH, FROM CURRENTLY ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT UH, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL OF THEIR MONEY BEFORE THEY GET STARTED ON JANUARY 1ST.
SO I DO A LITTLE INVESTIGATION AND THERE IS A STATUTE, UH, THAT YOU HAVE A COPY OF AND UH, UH, UH, IN YOUR FOLDER HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, HOW THIS WOULD BE HANDLED BY LAW.
BUT IT ALSO, UH, REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A POLICY OF COMPLIANCE.
UH, AND YOU WILL NOTICE HERE THAT THERE IS, IT'S, THIS IS, IT APPLIES TO ALL THE DIFFERENT OFFICES.
IT'S NOT JUST TO COMMISSIONERS, IT'S TO THE COUNTY JUDGE, COUNTY COMMISSIONER CONSTABLE, COUNTY SHERIFF COUNTY TREASURER, JUSTICE OF THESE COUNTY TAX ACCESS COMMISSION, COUNTY CLERK, DISTRICT CLERK, DISTRICT JUDGE, DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
UH, AND FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, I'VE STUCK IN THE NUMBER OF $10,000.
THAT'S NOTHING MAGIC ABOUT THAT.
UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE IT AND UH, I BELIEVE, UH, SOMEONE CORRECTED, BUT I BELIEVE WE NOW HAVE THE 25,000.
I BELIEVE THAT LISA AND THAT RIGHT NOW BEFORE IT CAN BE UH, UH, SPENT, TELL US EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS.
SO EVERYBODY WILL BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
ANYTHING, ANY EXPENDITURE OVER $25,000 HAS SCOPE TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO BE APPROVED.
HOW ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS ON ONE OF THE STATE, UH, UH, BIDDING GROUPS THAT MATTER.
STILL HAS TO GO FOR COMMISSIONER'S COURT PER PER PURCHASE.
PER OF WHAT? ANYTHING, ANY EXPENDITURE? WELL, NO.
I MEAN NO, THOSE WERE ALREADY BID OUT ON,
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THOSE WERE OVER 50,000.WE SAW THAT, THAT FOR A COMMISSIONER IT WOULD BE WHAT NEW EQUIPMENT? ANYTHING.
I MEAN YEAH, NEW EQUIPMENT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IF YOU GOT FUEL, YOU GOT MATERIALS, YOU GOT EQUIPMENT.
SO WHICH ONE OF THEM WOULD IT APPLY TO? WELL, FUEL'S ALREADY BID OUT.
RAW MATERIALS ALREADY BID OUT.
SO WE WOULD APPLY THE PURCHASE OF NEW EQUIPMENT.
NEW EQUIPMENT OR IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW, JUST PICK SOMETHING IF YOU DECIDED THAT YOU HAD TO OUTFIT A NEW OFFICE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ANY, ANY EXPENDITURE OVER $25,000.
AND THAT, THAT AMOUNT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MOVED UP.
'CAUSE IT USED TO BE LIKE, I DUNNO, IT WAS AROUND 10 OR 15,000 AND THEY, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT ADOPTED TO RAISE THAT AMOUNT A FEW YEARS BACK.
AND THEN OF COURSE ANYTHING 50,000 OVER HAS TO GO OUT 20 BUDGET BETWEEN OCTOBER AND JANUARY 1ST.
WE'RE NOT IF WELL, THERE COURT.
IF YOU GOTTA BUY SOME OVER 25,000, YOU GONNA COME TO COURT ANYWAY.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE, AND I'M JUST TALKING HERE, BUT I'M THIS ROAD THAT YOU'RE DOING 1 36 36 THAT YOU HAVE TRIED TO AVOID BRINGING THAT TO THE COURT.
SO YOU WERE TELLING LISA, DIDN'T I BRING YOU THE INFORMATION ON YOU DIDN'T BRING ME THE INFORMATION.
AND THEN YOU PRESENTED THEY NO SIR.
NO, I'M, I TAKE OFFENSE WHAT SHE TOLD ME.
WELL, I'M SORRY YOU TAKE OFFENSE.
I'M JUST TELLING WHAT I I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU MAD.
I TOOK IT TO THE ATION, BROUGHT IT TO ME.
I TOOK IT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND ATTORNEY.
AND THEN YOU, WE DID A, UH, YOU PRESENTED ME WITH A REQUISITION 84,000.
AND I TOLD YOU THAT IT HAD TO GO TO COURT AND AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE ANYTHING OVER 25 HAD TO GO TO COURT, NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE, WHETHER IT WAS SOLE SOURCE OR, OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, IT STILL, IT IT WAS MY RESPONSE THAT YOU WOULD GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT YOU WERE NOT ATTENDING ON DOING THAT.
YES, I ATTENDED TO FOLLOW HER AFTER SHE EXPLAINED IT.
OKAY, WELL MAYBE THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR THIS.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THERE ARE, LET'S HEAR FROM THE QUESTION.
YOU SEE 25% BEEN GOOD ENOUGH FOR RED JIM MILLER AND MYSELF.
WE GO OUT, THERE'S WHERE DID THE 25%, NOBODY'S TOLD ANYBODY THAT THEY'RE GOING, DID COME OUTTA MY HOUSE.
WELL, MY POINT IS, IS THAT I HAVE HEARD THOSE RUMORS AND I WOULD NOT BE DOING MY JOB IF I DIDN'T BRING IT FOR THE BOARD AND THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE ON.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK THESE TWO GO DOWN THAT ROAD BECAUSE THEY, WHEN THEY GO OUT, THEY GET THREE.
THAT'S OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
SO EACH, EACH PERSON, AND I BELIEVE THE UH, AUDITOR AND PERSON AGENT ARE KEEPING UP WITH THAT.
WELL WE, HEY, WE'RE GONNA KEEP UP WITH IT TOO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT FAULT, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 8% A MONTH THING, HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT? LIKE IF I HAVE TO HAVE MY TAX STATEMENTS PRINTED AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 40 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS AND IT'LL COME TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF COURSE.
BUT IF IT'S MORE THAN 8% OR SOMETHING, WE'RE GONNA PROVE IT.
I KNOW, BUT I'M SAYING IF I HAVE 8%, IS THAT INCLUDED IN MY 8%? DOESN'T SAY PERCENT.
WHAT THE ACTUAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS IS ONE 12 A MONTH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, WHICH IS YOU DIVIDE ONE BY 12 COMES OUT 0.8, 0.33 SOMETHING.
WELL, THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT WE KIND LIKE CONTROL, WE CONTROL OUR, UH, MOST DEPARTMENTS DON'T REALLY CONTROLLER.
SO I MEAN IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, I DUNNO, ANYBODY'S WHAT IT YOU THE ONLY YOU CAN SPEND MOST ON THE ROADS,
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I GUESS THE ROAD YOU TAKE DEBT.WE, I COULD SEE AN ISSUE IF AN OUTGOING COMMISSIONER WANTED TO BUY, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL PIECE EQUIPMENT AND IT'S GOTTA COME TO US AND, AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IF IT'S IN YOUR BUDGET, IT'S IN YOUR BUDGET.
THIS, THIS HAPPENED PROBABLY, UH, 2000.
YOU GOT A LITTLE STORY HERE AND A LITTLE HISTORY BACK BEFORE, LET'S SEE, JERRY BREWER WAS COMMISSIONER PRECINCT FOUR.
WHAT HE WAS DOING AS SOON AS OCTOBER THE FIRST COME, HE WAS DOING 24 9.
NINE NINE WITH A FENDER EVERY WEEK.
WE HAD COMMISSIONER, THEY HAD COMMISSIONER'S COURT EVERY WEEK.
SO HE SPENT BASICALLY A LITTLE GREATER A MILLION DOLLARS BY THE TIME, UH, DECEMBER 31ST COME AROUND.
AND SO THIS IS WHEN THIS, AND I KNOW THAT 25.
SO THIS IS WHAT HAD HAPPENED AT ONE TIME HERE IN THIS COUNTY.
SO, BUT UH, WE DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO TRUST US.
AND THAT'S WHAT RAY CLARK DID.
Y'ALL HAVE, SO THERE IS A BELIEVE THE COURT HAS PASSED IN THE PAST.
50,000 STATE REQUIRES 50,000 PURCHASE IN WE SOMEWHERE.
NOT WE, I MEAN, BUT SOME COURT PREVIOUSLY LOWERED OUR LIMIT TO 25.
I'M SAYING IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO.
YOU REMEMBER THAT YEAR PLAYERS THAT BEEN IN 2001, 2001.
JIM CAME IN AT OH TWO THAT WHEN WE ALL OH TWO, WE ALL RAN TWO TWO AND JIM CAME IN.
SO THE MONEY WAS SPENT IN, CAN I SAY SOMETHING WE'RE ALREADY DOING? I THINK, I THINK MAYBE, I THINK MAYBE PART OF THE ISSUE IS WHEN A DEPARTMENT HEAD IS GONNA BUY A HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF, LIKE MAYBE YOUR ROAD MATERIAL, YOU, IF IT'S OVER THAT AMOUNT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH PURCHASING YOU.
Y'ALL ADOPTED THESE POLICIES AND YOU HAVE TO PAY, YOU HAVE TO GO BUY 'EM TOO.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO SPEND 84,000, YOU SHOULD HAVE WENT PURCHASING, LIKE YOU SAID YOU DID.
SO SHE ASKED YOU TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN HER JOB TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AT THAT POINT AND NOT ISSUE YOU A PURCHASE ORDER UNTIL THE COURT APPROVED IT.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'VE GOT A MILLION DOLLARS IN MY ROAD MATERIAL BUDGET.
IF I GOTTA COME TO COURT AND ASK PERMISSION TO BUY A 13 TO $15,000 TANKER OF OIL EVERY TIME WE DO A ROAD, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN DO THE JOB.
NOT IF IT'S ON THE CONTRACT UNDER THE BLANKET ORDER WHERE IT WAS BID OUT.
IT'S JUST THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AN EXCEPTION.
THIS, THIS IS ALREADY IN EFFECT.
THIS IS BASICALLY ALREADY IN EFFECT.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S JUST BY Y'ALL'S UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA THAT AND LEAVE THE NEXT PERSON THAT'S IN OFFICE WITHOUT THE MONEY.
WHY NOT PASS SOMETHING? AT LEAST PUT THE 25% IN THERE FOR THREE MONTHS AND THEN BE COVERED? YOU CAN'T STAND NOW.
I'M, I'M, I HAVE TO GO, I HAVE TO BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ANYTHING I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU IN THE PAST IT WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
AS LONG AS I'M HERE, I'M NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
HOWEVER, Y'ALL, WHAT IS IT THAT ANY OF US, 25,000 THE COURT, I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
WHAT IS IT THAT WE BOUGHT EVER THAT'S
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OVER 25,000 THAT IF YOU PUT OUT S FOR THE ROAD MATERIALS, I WOULDN'T THINK IT ALL MATERIALS WENT OUT FOR ME.YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ROAD BOND BECAUSE A LOT OF THE INVOICES Y'ALL APPROVE AND SIGN AND SUBMIT TO OUR OFFICE TO PAY OR A WHOLE IN A WHOLE NOTHER FUND.
THEY, THEY WERE BID BY THAT CONTRACTOR.
I GOT ONE QUESTION FOR THE JUDGE WHO, WHO UH, WHO TOLD YOU THAT? ONE OF I, SEVERAL PEOPLE, UH, MENTIONED ME.
I IN FACT, IF ANY OF THE PROSPECTIVE OR OR YOUR SUCCESSORS WILL CARE TO SPEAK, THEY'RE HERE TODAY.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT.
UH, WELL I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM 'EM.
WHO, WHO TOLD THEM WE WERE GOING TO GET YOUR ANYBODY WHO CARE TO SPEAK? YEAH, I WILL.
NO, THAT'S JUST COME TO MY ATTENTION FROM SOME PEOPLE.
UM, I TOLD 'EM I WOULD NOT GIVE THEIR NAMES UP, BUT UH, THEY DON'T GIVE THEIR NAMES UP.
THEY ARE EMPLOYED BY THE COUNTY.
AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD DIRECTLY BY A COUPLE OF YOU GENTLEMEN THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND EVERY PENNY YOU CAN BEFORE ME AGREE TO TAKE OFFICE.
THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD.
WELL NAME SOME NAMES IF I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT TO THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE Y'ALL, WE WON.
SO THEY EMPLOYEE COURT, THEY'RE EMPLOYEES OF IRON.
I SAID THE COURT COULD FIRE 'EM.
I DIDN'T SAY YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH FIRE.
I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT GONNA GIVE UP.
WE CAN'T FIRE PEOPLE FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SO GO, GO AHEAD AND LAY IT OUT THERE.
WHATEVER COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WELL GOING IN THERE.
IF YOU STARTED THIS, YOU INSTIGATED IT, YOU'RE GOING THERE.
I'VE TOLD YOU WHAT I'M GONNA TELL YOU.
YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD WITH SOME NAMES.
I THINK NOW WE KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND UH, YEAH, WE DO SEE IT AND WE'LL GO BACK AND UH, MAKE SURE THAT UH, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE ARE.
WELL WE KNOW WHERE WE WERE BEFORE THIS START.
OKAY, WELL I'M GLAD TO DO NOW I THINK THE CLEARED.
WE, ITEM NUMBER 13 IS FROM GEORGE TO DISCUSS MIGRATING TYLER ODYSSEY TO UH, SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE.
AS JUDGE, WE WANT TO PURCHASE A CONDO IN
SO WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES THE IDEA OF SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE AND TO HOST OR USE SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE IS NOT ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA.
BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD IDEA.
I THINK IN OUR CASE, AND BARBARA'S GONNA REALLY ELABORATE 'CAUSE SHE, HER PRIMARY ROLE IS TO SUPPORT THE PRODUCT.
SO WHERE IT BECOMES IMPORTANT IS WHEN THE SOFTWARE COMPLEXITY AND GROWTH RATE EXCEEDS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE HARDWARE.
AND FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS IS THE ODYSSEY PRODUCT TO MATURE.
WE HAVE, WE HAD TO EXPAND THE HARDWARE PLATFORM MORE QUICKLY THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT THE LIFE OF A PRODUCT.
GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE ABOUT, WHAT WAS IT, THREE WEEKS AGO, ABOUT TWO TO THREE WEEKS AGO WE HAD THE PRIMARY DATABASE SERVER FOR TYLER NOT TO FAILED ON TRACK.
OF COURSE EVERYTHING IS BACKED UP SO WE'RE ABLE TO RESTORE IT.
UM, BUT THERE WAS QUITE A BIT INVOLVED AND THE REALITY WAS EVEN THOUGH THAT HARDWARE PLATFORM WAS NOT END TO LIFE, IT WAS, WE HAD TO REPLACE THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TOO MANY ISSUES THERE.
TOO MANY NEW THINGS COMING ONLINE HAVE, WHICH MADE IT OBSOLETE.
WELL,
SO WITH IT SOFTWARE AND A SERVICE ENVIRONMENT, IT TAKES CARE OF ONE OF STEVE HUEY'S ISSUES.
BUT THAT WOULD BE BUSINESS CONTINUITY.
UM, WE COULD HOLD, WE COULD CONTINUE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS ANYWHERE.
WE COULD GO TO HENDERSON COUNTY AND CONDUCT BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S HOSTED ENVIRONMENT, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE, WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON THE HARDWARE SITTING HERE IN COUNTY.
AND SO WHAT I ASKED TYLER TO DO IS PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER, A FIVE YEAR PACKAGE, HAVE COPY.
AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A TIERED STRUCTURE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN THE BEGINNING,
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LITTLE BIT HIGHER TOWARDS THE END.AND I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE HERE IS WE'RE NOT ONLY SUPPORTING, THIS IS NOT ONLY PAYING FOR YOUR SOFTWARE WE SUPPORT AND SO ON, BUT IT ALSO TAKES CARE OF HARDWARE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS OF HARDWARE SUPPORTING THIS PRODUCT.
MANY OF THESE PIECES OF HARDWARE OR CLOSE TO OR, SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO FORECAST YOUR EXPENDITURES WITH A FIVE YEAR DEAL, NOT WORRY ABOUT SURPRISE AND NOT WORRY ABOUT, BARBARA'S GONNA TALK ABOUT A FEW THINGS COMING UP WILL COST MORE MONEY IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.
AND I THOUGHT I WOULD ALSO MENTION TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS, SO RECENTLY HENDERSON IN ROCKWALL COUNTY HAVE GONE TO TYLER AND THEY HAVE GONE TO SOUTH MISSOURI.
SOME OTHER COUNTIES ARE HECTOR, TRAVIS, HUNT, WICHITA, RANDALL, ROCKWELL, WALKER, PARIS, HENDERSON, GILLESPIE, LOREN HILL CHAMBER, GASPER, OLA, LEVAR BURN, THERE'S A BUNCH LINE.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S BETTER FOR THE COUNTY.
AND BARBARA, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST MENTION A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, THAT ARE COMING UP THAT MAY BE EVEN MORE REASONABLE.
UM, RECENTLY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DA'S DEPARTMENT, WE'VE HAD, UM, THEY NEED TO BE, HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SEARCHABLE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T DO THAT AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT IMPLEMENTED, BUT WE NEED MORE SERVERS.
AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE SERVERS.
THE TOP PORTION OR WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE FOR US, THERE'S 16 SERVERS.
THE WORKFLOW SERVER IS WHAT WE NEED FOR BEING, BEING ABLE TO OCR AND HELP THE DA'S OFFICE OUT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT IN TRIAL.
SO I MEAN THAT'S JUST ONE ASPECT OF IT.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE ANOTHER FEATURE LIKE THIS, WE SENT OUT AN EMAIL, UH, WAS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT, UH, EFI AND THAT THE CRIMINALS, UM, THE CRIMINAL SECTION WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT'S BY LAW NEXT YEAR IT'S GONNA START, WELL WE'VE GOT SOME PFI SERVERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HANDLE ALL THE CRIMINAL SIDE OF EVERYTHING.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY NEED MORE SERVERS.
SO WHERE DOES IT STOP WITH ODYSSEY'S PRODUCT? THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT.
THEY HAVE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO DO, TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THESE SERVERS.
THEY WILL MONITOR THESE SERVERS.
THEY WON'T GO DOWN LIKE THEY HAD LAST WEEK, WHICH COULD BE DISASTROUS.
WE HAVE BACKUP SERVER, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.
AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE SERVERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BACK ALL OF THEM UP.
YOU HAVE FOUR BACKUP APPLIANCES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE RUNNING PRETTY HIGH, UH, WITH OUR STORAGE RIGHT NOW, WHICH WE'LL PROBABLY NEED ANOTHER BACKUP OF THE APPLIANCE, WHICH AREN'T CHEAP.
AND ALL THESE THINGS EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BE UPGRADED.
AND IF YOU NOTICE THIS COLUMN, IT SAYS UPGRADED NEEDED.
THERE'S ONLY ABOUT THREE OF THEM THAT DON'T NEEDED.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE PUSHED UP TO WINDOWS 2012, WHICH IS HOW WE NEED THOSE.
THERE'S LIKE 13 SERVERS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO THIS PRODUCT, THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT.
THEY TAKE CARE OF THE BACKUPS.
THEY HAVE THE TECHNICAL STAFF THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, HELP YOU OUT.
I, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE IT ALL IN THIS, UM, USE VIRUS SOFTWARE.
NOT TO MENTION THE SPACE TO KEEP ALL THESE CLIMATE NETWORK POWER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I COULD SAY OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, I JUST JUST THINK IT'S A BETTER DEAL TO HAVE, HAVE THEM DEAL WITH ALL THE, THE UPGRADES, THE, THE, UH, NEED NEW SURVEY, NEED NEW CLIENTS.
I'M SURE THEY DO IT ALL IN A VIRTUALIZED.
SEE HER PRI WHY WE'RE PRIMARY REALIST IS TO SUPPORT THE PRODUCT.
THERE'S A LOT TO DO TO MAKE SURE THE COURTS, THE CLERKS OF THE COURTS AND ALL THESE FOLKS, UM, THE FUNCTIONING PROPERTY, THE DA'S OFFICE, AND THAT'S FULLTIME JOB.
AND THIS IS NOT ONLY THIS, THIS SOFTWARE, WE HAVE OTHER SOFTWARE, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS IS ONE OF OUR MAIN SOFTWARES THAT WE KEEP UPGRADED IN, IN LINE IS WE SLOWLY MOVED IN THAT DIRECTION.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING ALL MAIL SERVERS OUT HERE.
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MICROSOFT HAS GONNA TAX OFFICE.THAT SOFTWARE IS JUST A GOOD, AND I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO CALL, CALL LADY CANYON OVER HENDERSON COUNTY, TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT.
WHEN HENDERSON COUNTY WENT THROUGH IT, THEY WROTE A CHECK FIVE, YOU WANTED TO DO 10, BUT THEY WOULDN'T LET IT DO 10.
ROCKWELL COUNTY IS IN THE PROCESS OF GOING LIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT JUST MAKES, IT MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE.
IS THIS THE ONLY COMPANY WE DO? OBVIOUSLY DONE A LOT OF THINGS WE GOTTA DO, OBVIOUSLY.
SO THAILAND TECHNOLOGIES IS A PUBLICLY HELD COMPANY, CORRECT? SOFTWARE, SEEDS, FINANCIALS, UM, WE USE TYLER PRODUCTS IN LAURA'S OFFICE FOR REPRESEN MANAGEMENT.
THE TYLER ODYSSEY PRODUCTS WE'RE SPEAKING OF IS COURTS AND JUSTICE.
THEY'RE THE MICROSOFT OR THE, UH, COURTS CASE MANAGER.
DID THEY UH, DID THEY WE WERE HAVING AN ISSUE IN RECENTLY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THEY ABLE CORRECT THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TESTING IT.
WELL, WHEN THE DATABASE WENT DOWN, IT KIND OF PUT A HALT TO IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GT ISSUE? YEAH, YEAH.
SO WHAT IT DID IS OUR, WE NO LONGER HAD A TEST ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM TO TESTING.
SO WHEN WE WENT DOWN, I MEAN WE WERE FORTUNATELY IN THE SENSE THAT EVERYTHING WAS BACKED UP.
BUT IT'S, THIS JUST ADDS A, A DIFFERENT SET OF SECURITY MANAGERS TO, WELL IF WE HAVE A TORNADO OR YOU KNOW, A MAJOR DISASTER TO STEVE, CERTAINLY SPEAK TO, WE CAN DO BUSINESS ANGER AND THEN GO AHEAD.
OTHER THINGS S RANSOM, LET ME SAY THEY HAVE DEEPER POCKETS THAN WE DO AND THEY CAN REACT TO AND MANAGE THAT INTO THE BUSINESS MORE QUICKLY BECAUSE ADDITIONAL COST INVOLVED IN THIS, THE COST, LOOK AT THAT HAVE TWO 10 BASICALLY.
AND SO HOW DOES IT IMPACT OUR BUDGET? SO THIS UPCOMING YEAR WE'RE 1 46 5 8.
THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL 18 1 60 FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
AND OF COURSE THEN THE, UH, JUDGE'S SESSION, THAT PRODUCT IS PREMISED AND WILL REMAIN.
BUT, BUT THIS IS JUST FOR THE COURTS ONLY.
THIS IS PAULS CASE MANAGE UP THERE.
SO THE REST OF OUR STUFF TAX, OH, WE HAVE, WELL, TAX IS ALSO, UH, VIOLATIONS.
SO SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS NOT, ELECTIONS IS NOT ANY OTHER PRODUCT.
SO THE ADULT, ADULT PROBATION HAS BEEN FILED BASED FOR YEARS.
WHY WOULD WE, I'M JUST ASKING WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST DO THE WHOLE THING? I WOULDN'T NEED ALL OF IT.
IF, IF A VENDOR OFFERED A GOOD PRODUCT FOR THAT SUITE OF SERVERS, THEN THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES.
THE DIFFERENCE WITH TYLER NOW WITH SOUTHERN SOFTWARE, THERE'S POINTS THAT ONE PIECE OF PARKING THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
THIS IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED AN INTERIOR SOFTWARE APPLICATION WHERE THERE ARE A CLUSTER, THERE'S A CLUSTER OF JOB SERVER, APPLICATION SERVER,
SO THE SHORT ANSWER, OFTEN IT DOES, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IN THIS CASE IT MAKES SENSE.
IT MAY NOT ALWAYS, BUT IN THIS CASE IT DOES.
I MEAN THE HARDWARE COSTS ARE HUGE COMPARED TO ANY OTHER PRODUCT.
YOU'RE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS VERSUS 20,000 FROM THE, THAT'S, I MEAN, BETTER THAN, SO NOW THE SOUTHERN SOFTWARE DOES NOT OFFER A SOFTWARE.
WE, WE'VE ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT.
THEY, AT THIS POINT, THEY, THEY DO NOT OFFER
THE ONLY THING THEY WANT DO IS JUST COURT, COURTS AND JUSTICE COURT.
SO WHEN WOULD THIS BE IMPLEMENTED? WELL, IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR.
AND HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? BUTTON
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ONLY? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, IT REALLY IS.SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE BEST THING TO DO.
WHAT WHAT USE THAT FULL WOULD BE THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE OR WE GO LIKE ON THE PORTAL.
SO THE ISSUE HERE IS THERE'S SO MANY NEW PRODUCTS IN THE MONITOR THAT COME OUT AND EVERY TIME THEY DO, WE HAVE TO BUY HARDWARE.
HARDWARE'S JUST A LICENSE COMPANY.
SO IF LAURA HAD A NEW PRODUCT ISSUE WANTED THAT DOES THIS AND DOES ALL, YOU WOULDN'T WANT ANOTHER THIRD PARTY VENDOR? YES, YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT ALL THE SERVERS IN RACKSPACE FOR, AGAIN, WE COULD VIRTUALIZE THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT AND DO IT AT RACKSPACE.
BUT THE FOLKS THAT OWN THE SOFTWARE WROTE THE SOFTWARE THAT IT, IT'S THEIR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
UM, YOU WANT THOSE PEOPLE MANAGING THAT ENVIRONMENT.
YOU DON'T WANT A THIRD PARTY DOING THAT.
BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, WE GO TO RACKSPACE TOMORROW, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE WISE.
IF YOU BUY BRAND CATERPILLAR, MAINTAIN, YOU DON'T WANT HAVE HARVEY'S, YOU WANT HAVE CATEGORIES.
TAKE IT TO JOHN DEERE FOR SERVICE.
DEERE AND VENDORS ALSO ARE RELUCTANT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING.
THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROL, THEY UNDERSTAND IT'S THEIR OWN ELECTRIC PROPERTY.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT DATABASE SCHEMA.
THEY, THEY BRING, THIS IS THEIR PRODUCT.
I MEAN THIS HAS TO DO WITH HER TOO.
ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THIS RHONDA? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I'M SORRY? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING ALL THE TYLER PRODUCTS TO SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE.
SO NOW WE'RE SET HAVING A BUNCH OF HARDWARE HERE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT TO TYLER AND THEY'LL MANAGE THE HARDWARE ENVIRONMENT SO BARBARA CAN DEVOTE HER TIME TO YOU AND NOT HARDWARE AS MUCH MOVING IT FROM TYLER TO SOMETHING ELSE.
NO, WE'RE GONNA KEEP TYLER, BUT WE'RE GONNA, INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THE SERVERS HERE AND BEING BUYING NEW SERVERS EVERY YEAR, WE'RE GONNA LET THEM OWN THE SERVERS AND MANAGE THAT PART.
I'M, IT'S LIKE A CLOUD BASE INSTEAD OF EVERYTHING HERE.
ALL MY LAURA, YOU THIS WORKS LEGAL PROPERTIES.
WE WERE GONNA LOOK, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STUFF.
SO I GUESS BEFORE WHAT WE DO IS WE'LL GET WORK ON CONTRACTS, JUDGE.
PARDON? WE WILL, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE, BUT NOW THAT WE, IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT, BUT LET WE AND BRING IT BACK TO COURT.
WELL, AND SO WE, I I GUESS DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS AND I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A SECOND GROUP OUT THERE THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE SO WELL ARE YOU SAYING RIGHT SOFTWARE OR HOSTED? HOSTED, LIKE I SAID, YEAH, YOU COULD HAVE
YOU COULD, THERE'S A BUNCH OF, YOU COULD HAVE SALESFORCE COM, YOU COULD HAVE AMAZON DO, YOU COULD HAVE MICROSOFT DO, BUT THEY DON'T.
THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH PROPERTY.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT A THIRD PARTY, THIS, THIS THIRD PARTY CAN MANAGE IT THE WAY THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT.
I DON'T, I HAVE TO HAVE TRUST IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT MOST OF US DUNNO GREAT ABOUT.
SO, BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS US AS WHAT I'M WORKING NOW, JUST BECAUSE I'VE GOTTA MANAGE THAT SERVER ON RACKSPACE.
I'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO TELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SERVE, WHICH, WHAT'S THE POINT? I MEAN, BUT I'M GONNA ELIMINATE HAVING TO HAVE THOSE TYPE OF SERVER.
THE, AND WELL, SO IF YOU WENT TO RACKSPACE OR MICROSOFT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT THE NEW PRODUCT THAT LAURA HUGHES IS GONNA BUY REQUIRES NEW HARDWARE.
AND SO WE WOULD'VE TO SPEND MORE MONEY.
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AND ONCE YOU DO THIS, YOU DON'T SPEND MORE MONEY IN HARDWARE, IT'S JUST LICENSING YOUR, THAT'S IT.THIS YOU DON'T, DON'T WE USE ODYSSEY? HOW ODYSSEY? NO, I MEAN DO WE USE, I MEAN SEEN THIS THING BEFORE IN, BUT HAVEN'T BEEN USING IT 12 YEARS.
12 ACTUALLY 20 IF YOU CONSIDER ALL THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
WELL, SO CLOUD HOSTING IS NOT NEW.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMPANIES THAT DO IT.
FOR YEARS AND YEARS, THE MONEY IN, IN BIOTECH IS BRINGING NEW PRODUCTS TO MARKET THROUGH ALL THE CLINICAL CHANGES.
THE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD CLINICAL TRIAL IN START, A BIOTECH COMPANY SPENT A TON OF MONEY ON HARDWARE TO DO ALL THAT WORK.
WELL, YOU KIND OF HELP LE THAT DOES THAT FOR THESE FOLKS AND THEY'RE HOSTED AT OR AT UM, UM, SALESFORCE.COM.
BUT THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE OF SOMEBODY'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH SOFTWARE THAT'S WRITTEN SPECIFIC TO A PRODUCT THAT THAT COMPANY IS HOSTING AS FAR AS HOSTING IS CONCERNED.
IT'S MORE, IT'S JUST A CONTAINER OF ALL.
IT'S, IF YOU PUT IT HERE INSTEAD BUYING A BUNCH OF HARDWARE, THE TYLER PRODUCT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YOU HAVE CONTAINER, YOU PUT THIS OFF SITE, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE PEOPLE MANAGING THAT ENVIRONMENT, THAT HARDWARE ENVIRONMENT, THAT KNOW AND WROTE THAT PRODUCT AND KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
THEY KNOW WHAT PRODUCTS ARE GONNA BE COMING DOWN THE LINE.
THEY KNOW IF COFFEE COUNTY NEEDS TO BUY FIVE MORE SERVERS AND WE CRIMINAL EFI, RACKSPACE DOESN'T KNOW THAT.
SO SALESFORCE GOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST DEAL IT.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE TO, THEY, OUR COSTS ARE LICENSING.
IF LAURA WANTS TO BUY YOUR PRODUCT, WE PAY LICENSING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ALL THE, YOU KNOW, BUY A BUNCH OF SERVERS AND FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM.
YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT ROOM AND PUT THE CORNER TO THE COURTHOUSE.
YOU CAN'T THROW A DIME IN THAT THING.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT MORE SURFACE AND IT'S GONNA ELIMINATE.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WORKING WITH LEGAL ON THE CONTRACT AND GET A, I GUESS THESE FEARS ARE PRETTY YES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR COOPER? GIVE A THREE MINUTE SYNOPSIS OF WHAT JUST SAID.
I DOWN, HE WANTS ITEM ON THE BUDGET.
JUST LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS, UH, TO DISCUSS FISCAL YEAR 20 16 17 BUDGET FOR EXPENDITURES, LINE ITEMS. I HOPE THAT WE WOULD, UH, HAVE HAD THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY GAUGE, BUT WE DON'T.
BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT AND WE WILL GIVE TANYA AND TRYING TO CALCULATE OUR FUNDS.
WE DO KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
WE DO KNOW THAT BECAUSE OUR PRIORITIES, UH, UH, BUT WE JUST DUNNO EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.
AND AS I SAID EARLIER, WE DO NOT WANT TO GET OURSELVES INTO A ROLL BACK SITUATION UNDER ANY CONDITION.
I CERTAINLY WANT MOVE, UH, UH, MORE MONEY.
I THINK WE HEAR THE CRYING AND WAY ABOUT THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS NEED MORE OWE MONEY.
AND WE STARTED THAT PROCESS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT THIS YEAR.
BUT WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER REQUESTS TOO THAT WE'RE GONNA, UH, UH, NEED THE, SOME OF YOU HAVE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND WE'VE NOT PUT ANY OF THOSE IN THE NEW BUDGET YET.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT WE'VE GOT A LIST OF THOSE.
SEE KIND OF WHERE WE'RE ON, ON THAT AND JUST SO WE CAN GET A FIGURE, WE'VE GOT A LIST OF WHERE WE'RE IN THAT REGARD.
SO IS ANYBODY HERE THAT, UH, HERE THAT SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET? YES, SIR.
UM, MY BUDGET'S NOT THROUGH Y'ALL, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAVE A BIG IMPACT
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ON A WHOLE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGETS, COUNTY CLERK AND THE DISTRICT CLERK.UM, THERE HAS BEEN A RULE, WELL THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSAL TO REPLACE CHAPTER 1 75 OF JUDGE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, WHICH IS THE COLLECTIONS IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR FINE FEES, COURT CALLS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT'S, THESE CHANGES ARE SCHEDULED TO BE VOTED ON ON JULY 31ST, INCLUDING ON VERY SHORT NOTICE.
AND WHAT THESE CHANGES SAY IS WHOEVER'S COLLECTING PROGRAM FEES, WHICH RIGHT NOW LAURA COLLECTS FOR THE COUNTY CLERK WHEN IT COMES TO FINE FEES, COURT COSTS, I COLLECT FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE DISTRICT CLERK, FOR THE
UM, THIS, THE, THESE RULE CHANGES ARE SAYING THERE HAS TO BE DESIGNATED STAFF TO DO SPECIFIC FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING MEETING WITH AN OFFENDER THAT DAY, THEIR FACE IN THE PROGRAM, PROBATION, DOING AN INTERVIEW WITH THEM TO REVIEW THEIR ABILITY TO PAY THEIR FEES, AND IF THEY'RE UNEQUAL TO PAY THEIR FEES, THEN RETURNING THEM BACK TO COURT.
I KNOW LAURA'S GONNA DO A LOT OF TALKING ON THIS, SO I'M JUST GONNA RULE A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF THAT.
THE ISSUE IS, AND HERE'S WHERE THE IMPACT COMES FOR THE DESIGNATED STAFF TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION, TAKE THE CASES BACK TO COURT AND HAVE THE COURT ADDRESS THE FEES.
UM, I DO NOT HAVE THE STAFF TO, I DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO ADD STAFF.
IF THESE RULES PASS AS WRITTEN AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, I WILL BE FORCED TO TALK TO THE JUDGES.
AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS HOME.
I WILL HAVE TO RETURN THE COLLECTIONS OF THE DISTRICT CLERK FEES BACK IN DISTRICT COURT'S OFFICE.
SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL ISSUE.
NO, I KNOW SHE'S SHORT STAFFED RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'VE TALKED TO RHONDA, RHONDA, DON'T
I, I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF DO IT.
I KNOW SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT, BUT IF THESE RULES PASSED AS WRITTEN, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY AND I'LL HAVE TO RETURN THE COURT AND THOSE FEES BACK TO THE COUNTY.
THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG EXPENSE ON RHONDA AND ON LAURA.
UM, CREATING THE POSITIONS TO DO THESE INTERVIEWS, GET STUFF RESCHEDULED FOR COURT AND REEVALUATE THE FEES.
THE COLLECTION IMPROVEMENT PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR REDUCTION OF FINES, FEES, AND COURT COSTS.
OFFENDERS WHO ARE INDI, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE COUNTY GETS FROM THAT TYPE OF STUFF, BUT THAT'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AS WELL.
I KNOW HOW MUCH WE GET FROM THEN.
WE MAY HAVE A, THE AUDITOR WOULD HAVE THE COMBINED TOOLS FROM THE JP COUNTY COURT OF LAW IN THE DISTRICT.
WELL, THIS IS ANOTHER THING THE STATE'S PASSED DOWN TO IT MANDATE US TO DO.
AND THEY'RE NOT SENDING ANY STATE AGENCIES.
THE STATE AGENCY THAT'S STILL THIS, IT IS THE TEXAS JUDICIAL COUNCIL IS WHO HAS MAJOR RULES TO CHANGE THE ADMINISTRATIVE, WHO'S, WHO'S VOTING ON IT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE STATE REP VOTING ON THIS? NO, NO, NO.
YEAH, BECAUSE EVERY, WE NEED TO MAYBE TALK TO, THERE'S AN ADDRESS, THERE'S AN EMAIL ADDRESS THAT YOU CAN SEND COMMENTS TO.
UM, AND THEY'LL LOOK AT IT AFTER, AT THAT, AFTER COMMENTARY, HOW THAT WORKS.
JULY 30, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING, I BELIEVE ON JULY 31ST, IS SEVERAL PROBATION DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE STATE.
WE ARE SENDING IN COMMENTS SAYING WE CAN'T COMPLY WITH THIS.
UM, THE PROBATION ADVISORY COUNSEL FOR THE STATE IS SENDING IN STATEMENTS SAYING THEY CAN'T COMPLY WITH THIS.
I AM MEETING WITH THE JUDGES THIS THURSDAY AT THEIR JUDGES MEETING.
I'M GONNA GIVE THEM A COPY OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'M PERSONALLY SENDING FROM MY DEPARTMENT.
JUDGE SAID THE JUDGES WILL LOOK AT THEM AND THEY WILL ADOPT A VERSION AND SUBMIT THOSE AS WELL.
UM, BUT MY FEELING WHENEVER WE GOT THIS INFORMATION IS THEY'RE PRETTY ADAMANT ON PASSING THIS.
UM, AND SO I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME
IT'S INTERESTING, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SENT OUT A LETTER, UM, ABOUT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NEWS RECENTLY ABOUT DEBTORS, PRISON PEOPLE BEING PLACED IN JAIL FOR FINES AND COURT COSTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, WE WILL WORK WITH AN OFFENDER THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'RE ON PROBATION.
AND WHEN WE GET TO THE END, IF THEY ARE TRULY INDIGENT, WE WILL TAKE THEM BACK TO COURT, GET THOSE FEES WAIVED, OR GET THOSE FEES ADJUSTED, OR I'LL WAIVE MY PROBATION FEES SO THEY CAN PAY THEIR RESTITUTION OR THEIR COURT COSTS.
UM, BUT THIS NEW ADMINISTRATIVE CODE IS REQUIRING ALL THAT TO BE DONE IN THE FIRST 14 MINUTES.
IMAGINE THAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DALLAS,
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THEY KICK YOU OUT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE NOTHING.NOBODY WANTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A HOT TALK, HOT TOPIC TALKING POINT FOR A CERTAIN OF POLITICIANS, THIS JUVENILE PROBATION ROLE IN THAT DECISION.
NO, TANYA, THIS IS VERY AKIN TO WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH ON THE LAST THAT DIDN'T, BUT WHAT LATEST ON THAT? UH, THEY VOTED FOR IT ANYWAY.
SO THEY, THEY TAKE THE MONEY THEY, THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOTTA COME BACK AGAIN AND THEY CAN MAKE ANOTHER VOTE.
BUT THEY PRETTY MUCH, THEY DID GAVE US SOME AND THEY, BUT THE MOST OF THE MONEY PART THEY TOOK FOR THEMSELVES, THEY DID CHANGE SOME OF IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
THEY DO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA LOOKING TO DO WITH.
SO DO WE KNOW IF ANYBODY CONTACTED LIKE OUR LEGISLATOR OR OUR SENATOR OR ANYBODY LIKE THAT AND TELL ABOUT THIS VOTE AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY CLERK COLLECTIONS ASSOCIATION AND THE COUNTY COURT OF LAW JUDGE ASSOCIATIONS HAVE ALL SEND LETTERS SAYING THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S TOO TAXING ON THE ENTITIES.
SOMEBODY HOT BUTTON SOMEWHERE PUSHING THIS SOMEBODY MAKE SOMEBODY HAVE TO BE PUSHING.
YEAH, IT START OFF BECAUSE WE NEED TO FOLLOW OUT.
SOMEBODY PROBABLY KNOW, I MEAN YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT FOR A WHILE.
I'VE SEEN SOME ARTICLES ON THE BAR JOURNAL, LIKE THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION AND IT'S SORT OF BECOME A HOT TOPIC.
I THINK PROBABLY SOME LAWYERS HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER JUST KIND OF NATIONWIDE.
IT'S BECOME A REALLY HOT TOPIC.
YOU KNOW HOW THESE THINGS KIND OF START, THEY BECOME AN INFO LITIGATION AND THERE IS A LOG MONEY.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOG OUT THERE CALLED BRIS FOR BREAKFAST.COM, UM, WHICH IS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE LAW JUSTICE.
IT HAS BEEN, SHE'S NEVER BEEN, IT HAS BEEN ALL OVER THERE AS WELL.
TEXAS JUDICIAL COALITION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
TEXAS JUDICIAL REFORM IS A LOBBYING COMMITTEE.
THEY'RE, THEY'VE KIND OF BEEN ON IT AS WELL ABOUT WATCHING FEES AND NOT PUTTING TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN ON THE OFFENDERS THAT WE SUPERVIS.
I HADN'T SEEN ANYTHING ON THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION ACADEMY.
I EMAILED, I EMAILED THE OTHER DAY AND JIM'S INITIAL REACTION, WHICH I SHERIFF BAR WAS HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA BE THAT BIG A DEAL.
THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK GOING AROUND THAT ALL THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND MOVE PAYING THE FEES.
AND ONCE YOU GET INTO THE DEPTH OF ALL THE STEPS AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND ONE DOWN AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO DO, UM, IT IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST COMMUNITY SERVICE.
THAT WAS HIS ION THAT RIGOROUS COMMUNITY SERVICE IN A YEAH, AND EVEN WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICE ASPECT, IT'S, UM, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING INTO AN ISSUE WITH SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN MONITOR OR ORGANIZE THE TENDERS WE'RE SENDING THERE.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE HOURS THAT THEY'VE BEEN COMPLETING AND THEY'VE BEEN GETTING CREDIT FOR HOURS THAT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO.
UM, SO EVEN IF IT'S, IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE.
IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE.
BUT THEN ALSO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S NOT ON PROBATION BUT THEY'VE HAD TO DO FINES OR FEES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TO DO JAIL OR SOMETHING TO GET OUT, THEY'VE GOT FINES AND FEES.
AND LAURA, IF SHE HAS TO MONITOR THAT, WELL THEN SHE HAS TO HAVE SOMEONE MONITORING THE CSR.
SHE HAS TO HAVE SOMEONE INTERVIEWING THEM.
SHE HAS TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT CONTACTS THE CSR AGENCY BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT UNDER PROBATION, I DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION ON IT.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE INCREASED BURDEN ON HER OR ON THAT.
AND LOOK TO, UH, HAS OUR AG SAID ABOUT THIS, HAVE YOU HAD ANYTHING GO TO HIM ABOUT THIS OR NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE COME OUTTA HIS OFFICE YET? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
HAS ANYBODY COME TO HIS OFFICE? UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ONE HAS, I KNOW THE, UM, JUDICIAL ADVISORY COUNCIL WHO MET IN AUSTIN TWO WEEKS AGO, THEY WERE GONNA SEND A LETTER TO THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL WHO WAS VOTING ON IT.
UM, LAST TIME THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT CAME UP THAT IMPACTED US THIS WAY.
SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT GETTING AN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION OR FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND THEY WERE TOLD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAST.
BUT THE BAD THING ABOUT IT IS WHEN I TALKED TO THE JUDGES ABOUT IT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION AT ALL ON IT.
I TALKED TO THE JUDGE, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION.
SO IT'S, THE INFORMATION IS NOT GETTING OUT.
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IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.THEY HAD PUT SOMETHING IN MARCH IN THE STATE, IN THE TEXAS REGISTER AND THEN THEY RECALLED THAT, WITHDREW THAT AND SUBMITTED THIS JULY 1ST FOR JULY 31ST PASS.
AND THE PROBATION ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING THAT I WENT TO DOWN IN AUSTIN, THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT ON ACCIDENT BECAUSE A DISTRICT CLERK IN A, UM, IN A COUNTY ACCIDENTALLY FORWARDED IT TO THE PROBATION DIRECTOR, UM, WITH SOME COMMENT, THE PROBATION DIRECTOR RESPONDED BACK, WHAT IS THIS? BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE US HAVING TO DO THIS.
NO ONE IN PROBATION HAS EVER CONTACTED ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THERE'S BEEN VERY, VERY LITTLE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS, THEY KIND OF INTRODUCED THIS, AS LAURA SAID, BACK IN MARCH, THEY WITHDREW IT, THEY REINTRODUCED IT FAST TRACK WITH THEM PASSING FIRST MAY SET UP.
NOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO IT NOW AND YOU'RE JUST DOING IT VOLUNTARILY? LAURA TAKES CARE OF THE COUNTY CLERK FEES? IT IS.
OH, YOU DO THE DISTRICT CLERK AND YOU DO THAT VOLUNTARILY.
SHE'S SUPPOSED TO DO IT ALREADY.
THE JUDGES CAN DESIGNATE ON THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT AS A ION AGENCY.
AND THEY'VE DONE THAT AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE BEFORE I GOT HERE.
BUT I MEAN, IS THAT A, IS THAT A CHOICE THAT THEY JUST HAD? THEY JUST ONE.
AND THAT'S JUST REMOVING THE CHOICE OF YOU NOW? IT'S JUST IF THIS PASSES, YEAH, IF THIS PASSES AS WRITTEN, I DON'T HAVE THE OFFICE SPACE TO ADD POSITIONS.
IT WOULD TAKE ME EIGHT, ME EIGHT, I MEAN PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX.
ME, IT TAKE, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST FOR DISTRICT COURT.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE COUNTY COURT LAW.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE JPS ARE GONNA COMPLY.
I'M SURE JOHN AND HARRY OR JOHN ADAMS IS NOT GONNA, I BROKE DOWN OUR INTAKES OVER SEVERAL PERIOD.
I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE DOING ALMOST EIGHT INTERVIEWS A DAY ON PROBATIONERS, REVIEWING THEIR FI, THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION, THEIR EMPLOYMENT SITUATION, THEIR HOUSEHOLD INCOME, THEIR EXPENDITURES, AND TRYING TO GET THE OFFENDER TO SAY, OH YES, I CAN PAY.
IF THE OFFENDER SAYS, YES, I CAN PAY.
THEY SIGN A LETTER, WE CAN MOVE ON.
IF THE OFFENDER SAYS, NO, I'M NOT ABLE TO PAY, THAT'S JUST AN UE HARDSHIP ON MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.
OR THEY JUST REFUSE TO WORK AND DO ALL THE STUFF THAT DONE WITH IT, AND IT HAS TO GET RETURNED TO COURT.
SO THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER COURT HEARING, WHICH WILL TIE UP EVEN MORE COURT TIME.
UM, AND SO IT'S EIGHT, EIGHT INTERVIEWS A DAY JUST IN INTERVIEWS THAT DOESN'T EVEN ACCOUNT FOR TAKING PEOPLE BACK OVER TO COURT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE BETWEEN ONE AND THREE, OR ONE AND FOUR OF OUR S TO PLACED ON PROBATION ARE COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF THE JAIL.
THEY'RE UNEMPLOYED BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING FROM JAIL.
OR IF THEY'RE UNEMPLOYED, THEN THEY NEED INDIGENCY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MEANS WE THEN HAVE TO TAKE THEM BACK TO COURT TO GET THE FEES REDUCED AWAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE A HUGE IMPACT BEYOND JUST TRYING TO GET HIM TO DO CSR.
I DID CALL SENATOR HALL ONE DAY LAST WEEK AND I DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS ISSUE WITH HIM BECAUSE I WASN'T, DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE NOT KNOWING ANY MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DID.
BUT I DID DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH THE LICENSE REGISTRATION.
AND SO WHAT HE HAS, UH, SUGGESTED THAT WE DO IS, UH, GATHER UP A GROUP OF, UH, COUNTY JUDGES AND COMMISSIONERS FROM AROUND THE AREA WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND GO OVER THE LIST OF MANDATES THAT THEY'RE EITHER COMING FROM THE STATE OR A STATE AGENCY AND MEET WITH THEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, EVIDENTLY THE LEGISLATURE IS GETTING ENOUGH PRESSURE PUT ON ABOUT UNFUNDED MANDATES.
THEY'RE DOING IT KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WAY, BUT IT'S STILL AFFECTING US.
IT'S NOT JUST COUNTIES, IT'S CITIES AND SCHOOLS AND A LOT OTHER AGENCIES TOO, YOU KNOW.
AND SO, UH, MAYBE WHEN WE DO THAT, WE CAN HAVE A FAIRLY ACCURATE AMOUNT.
LOOK, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO COST US.
AND, UH, BECAUSE I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH YOU CAN, UH, ABSORB.
SO, AND I CAN COPY IT'S, I, I'D PRINTED OFF COPIES WHEN I HAD OVER HERE AND I DID, BUT THERE'S ONE, YOU HAVE COPIES.
NOW THIS IS GONNA HELP MUCH, THIS, THIS CODES PROPOSED,
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BUT MY MAIN THING WAS I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT, I'M NOT ASKING MONEY FROM YOU, BUT THIS PASSES, I'M GONNA HAVE TO RETURN TO THE CLERKS AND THE CLERKS ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME MONEY FOR THE FIRST TIME.ALRIGHT, THAT, UH, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE, UH, FOR TODAY.
UH, IF YOU, YOU AND I MEAN, UH, KEN, WE NEED TO MEET THE CITY OF TERRELL AND PROBABLY APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO GO OVER THE, UH, WE'RE HAVE TOWARDS, UM, THE TAXES THAT WE RAISED AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KNOW THAT AMOUNT BEFORE WE BUDGET FOR YEAR TWO.
ON THE POWER CENTER OR ON ON THE REGULAR.
WELL, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING EITHER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOTTA REMEMBER.
I THINK IT'S GONNA, PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND TANYA AND THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT CAN COME UP WITH SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE, ALRIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE THURSDAY.