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           UH, COMMISSIONER 
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COURT. 
          TODAY IS MONDAY, AUGUST 29TH. 
          I BELIEVE WE, UH, HAVE A FORUM PRESENT. 
          UH, MAIN PURPOSE OF OUR MEETING TODAY IS JUST TO, UH, CONTINUE REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 20 16 17 BUDGET FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS, COUNTY OPERATIONS,  EXPENDITURES, AND FIRST COMPENSATION. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, NO DECISIONS WILL BE MADE, UH, UNTIL WE ACTUALLY ADOPT THE BUDGET. 
          UH, LATER IN THE MONTH OF, UH, SEPTEMBER, WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, NEXT, UH, WEEK, UH, SIXTH, UH, UH, LABOR DEAL, POST THAT MEETING POSTED, BUT BE, SO LET'S GO BACK, I GUESS, TO WHERE WE, UH, LEFT OFF THE OTHER DAY. 
          AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TODAY THAT MAY WANT TO ADDRESS THE COURT. 
          SO, UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, WELCOME ANYBODY TO TALK ABOUT ANY ISSUE. 
          HAVE THAT BE FINE IF YOU'D LIKE, IF WE HAVE AN OUTAGE ON. 
          SO WE HAD TWO SETS OF REQUESTS TO RAISE BUDGET AND PERSONAL BUDGET. 
          THE REQUEST BUDGET WAS GAUGE. 
          SO TODAY, UM, PATRICK AND THREE NINE, LEMME FIND WHAT PAGE ON PAGE 14TH OF THE SALARY SHEET. 
          SO WE HAVE 44 9 8, AND WE 6 44 3 9 88 IS 8 6 39 70 IS WHAT THE NINETIES CONVERSATION. 
          SO IS THE DIFFERENCE IS, UH, 56, 60 AND 3 1 60. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE GETTING CAR LOUNGE. 
          WE GOT ONE PERSON GETTING MARRIED. 
          THREE, GET OUR THREE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TALKED, I CONSULTED THE JUDGE ON THREE OCCASIONS AS LATE AS YESTERDAY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE IN CHARGE. 
          WE'RE JUST SAYING FOR REASON. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU OKAY, SO YOU BRING ALL THREE OF THOSE. 
          SAME TO THE, BUT WE GOT NINE YEARS, 23 YEARS, TWO YEARS, TWO YEAR. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO WITHOUT, OH NO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT YOU REQUEST WAS AN 50, I BELIEVE. 
          UH, BARBARA HAS A DEGREE. 
          SHE HAS A BACHELOR'S IN MATHEMATICS. 
          SHE WAS A PROGRAM WITH RAYTHEON BEFORE THAT. 
          SHE WAS A PROGRAM WITH WALMART. 
          UH, SHE QUALIFIED IN THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY WORLD RIGHT NOW, UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. 
          AND PATRICK, I BELIEVE HAS A CERTIFICATION. 
          HE, UH, WHEN HE WORKED FOR LAURA HUGHES ON HIS OWN TIME WITH HIS OWN MONEY, HE WENT TO, UH, GET THE CISCO CERTIFICATION, TA, UH, ASSET TEST FIRST THROUGH CISCO CERTIFICATION. 
          WE WORKING IN PUBLIC PRIVACY. 
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I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WE REQUEST THE ONLY, UH, AND JASON MAY HAVE BEEN ALLUDING TO THIS, IS THE FACT THAT ONE OF 'EM ONLY BEEN HERE A COUPLE YEARS AND THE OTHER ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN HERE 23 YEARS AND, UH, THE OTHER ONES BEEN HERE NEARLY 10 YEARS. 
          AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SEEMS LIKE THERE NOT BEING A NEED, A LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN, IN, IN THAT DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THOSE. 
          SO TIME YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          I WOULD SAY SO, YEAH. 
          SO THE REQUEST 50,000, UH, FOR, UH, PATRICK AND LAURIE, AND, UH, THE OTHER TWO GAUGE RECEIVED THE SIX ACROSS 600, I MEAN 600,000 SOME STOCK. 
          UH, WHAT, CONSIDERING WHAT WE JUST SAID OR DISCUSSED ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE THAT'S ONLY BEEN HERE A COUPLE YEARS? NOTHING, I MEAN, I KNOW HE'S A TREMENDOUS EMPLOYEE AND I DON'T MEAN ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE LACK OF EXPERIENCE, I GUESS. 
          DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT? OTHER THAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M NOT SURE OF, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO GET THE MERIT PAY. 
          SO OF COURSE, PAY GOES UP AND WE'RE HERE LONGER. 
          I DUNNO WHAT THE CALL OFF WAS. 
          MERIT PAY NOW HOW, I'M SORRY. 
          . 
          YEAH, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE WE DISCONTINUED THAT EMPLOYEE FALLS SINCE 2.2 YEARS ON THE, OKAY, SO, SO HE WAS IN BEFORE WE CUT THE, HE WAS THERE AFTER WE CUT THE MERIT, BUT NOW WE'RE REIMPLEMENTED, WE'RE OKAY. 
          JULY, 2014 IS WHAT WE HAVE. 
          SO IN FIVE YEARS HE WOULD GET, AND THE OTHER THING THAT ENTERS INTO THIS, JUST PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE THERE, IS THAT WE HAVE THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF THE, UH, EXEMPT AND NONEMPLOYEE, WHICH DOES ENTER INTO THIS, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          BECAUSE SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THESE ARE NOT CONSIDERED, UH, EXEMPT. 
          WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION. 
          SO THEY COME IN NICE, LIKE IN THE WEEKEND, WE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING IN NEW FINANCIAL SERVERS. 
          WE IN GETTING READY INSTALL SOFTWARE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO NO NEW VOTER SERVERS, WES OF ICE. 
          SO WE HAVE A VERY SMALL STAFF, SO WE CAN'T NOT, SO ONCE THEIR SALARY GETS OVER, I UNDERSTAND. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHEN, WHEN THE SALARY GETS ABOVE THE, THE, UH, FOUR, SEVEN EXEMPT AMOUNT, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT ANYBODY. 
          IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY. 
          YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CLASSIFIED AS, AS EXEMPT WITH THAT SALARY. 
          NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SALARY. 
          SO DISCUSSION, IF WE DO ANYTHING, THEN IF THEY GET ANY, RAISE IT ALL IN 600 GONNA GO AWAY. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE DID THE OTHER DAY? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE DID PUT THAT PART GO. 
          IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN 600. 
          IT'S GONNA BE 5,700 OR TWO, UH, FROM 40 TO JUST TWO. 
          HERE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A DISPARITY IN QUALIFICATIONS AND TIME. 
          YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. 
          I MEAN, YOU AND I EMPLOYEES ARE, I'VE BEEN HERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS. 
          I AGREE. 
          YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME THING. 
          I'M, BUT MY SENSE WAS THE REASON, FOR EXAMPLE, A SERGEANT OR LIEUTENANT SHERIFF'S OFFICE BASE IS THE SAME AND IT'S AFFECTED BY, SO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHILE HE PAYING SHORT TIME, HE HAS CERTIFIED. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE COVER ALL THE BASES HERE. 
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ULTIMATELY, IT'S YOUR DECISION. 
          THE IF GO ALONG WITH THE FOUR 50,000, THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL AMOUNT. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE 600 TOP 57 50 SIX'S GONNA CHANGE. 
          WHAT'S THE DOLLAR? I, I CAN'T EVEN, SO FOR EXAMPLE, 56, 60 FOR ONE AND 30, 60 FOR THE OTHER. 
          BUT THE TOTAL BASED WOULD BE 50,000. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S GONNA AFFECT ANY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          MAKE UP DOING THIS. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          I, I LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE, WHAT IF I, WHAT IF I THOUGHTS FIND A WAY TO CUT THAT'S GONNA AFFECT SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT COME BACK? WELL, WE'RE, I THINK, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT SHOULD I RING NOW? YEAH, YOU CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS MAKING CHANGES. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE MIGRATED OUR MAIL SERVERS TO MICROSOFT OFFICE THREE, WE ARE ABOUT TO START THE PROJECT MIGRATING ON PREMISE, UM, ON PREMISE PILOT TECHNOLOGIES. 
          SO DISASTER RECOVERY RECOVERY PROVIDED TODAY, THERE ARE DOLLARS THAT WE SPEND TO RA RECRUIT NETWORKS TO DO THAT. 
          WE'LL BE ABLE TO NOT DO NOT PAY THAT. 
          I COULD FIND, I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I COULD REDUCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE PART PROBABLY ENOUGH TO PAY FOR SOS YOU BETTER PARTICIPATE PARTICIPATION. 
          WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THIS I'LL SHEET. 
          WELL, AND I REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PAY RAISE BRIDGE AS WELL. 
          I'M SURE LOTS OF NEW HIRE PAY RATE DESCRIPTION OF, OF THEM. 
          I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE CLOSE 10,000 IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN THE PAST, THE JOB MARKET PERIOD. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT GEORGE AND I UNDERSTAND. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB. 
          SOME OF 'EM STILL ARE. 
          WE ALWAYS, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE ALWAYS REFERRED TO THE COURT POLICY AND COTTON COUNTY, THE COURT MAKE A DECISION. 
          I HAVEN'T IN 23 YEARS ASKED FOR ANYTHING FOR ANYONE. 
          SO THIS IS DIFFERENT CHANGE. 
          IF YOU, YOU THINKING WE'RE HAVING 10,000 THERE, THE BAR, DIFFERENT ROUTE THERE TO THE CLOUD. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE A DISPARITY. 
          THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BARBARA AND LAURIE BECAUSE OF TIME FOR THEM. 
          UM, I DON'T, I THINK THEY WILL CAUSE ANY FRICTION. 
          BUT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, ONCE THEY SEE WE DO ANYTHING, OR I GOT ONE YEAR OR 10 YEARS, WE GET THE SAME MONEY. 
          UH, I THINK THAT I'VE ACTUALLY SPOKEN TO ABOUT THIS. 
          AND SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE, SHE FEELS THAT HER MORALE AND HER SAFETY OF THE OFFICE JUST BE A GOOD THING FOR FACE 
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BECAUSE THE DUTY, WELL, I CAN BRING IT OUT HERE. 
          I THINK WE TAKE YOUR COURT. 
          YOU DIDN'T GO INTO THIS, YOU SHOULD KNOW. 
          YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          SO, UH, TO MOVE THE DISCUSSION ALONG, UH, COMMISSIONER ADAM, YOUR, YOUR FEELING IS, UH, THERE SHOULD BE SOME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LONGER DISCIP OF NURSING. 
          AND I KNOW WHAT GEORGE IS SAYING AND THAT'S HIS, HIS REALM DEPARTMENT. 
          I'M THINKING DO THIS HERE. 
          WE DO EVERY, WE COME BACK AND SO AND SO GOT THIS. 
          AM I GONNA GET IT IN MY DEPARTMENT? WE OPEN THE HERE. 
          WELL, I, THERE, I MEAN THERE'S NO QUESTION WHENEVER YOU DEAL WITH THIS WITHIN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION OUGHT BE IN, IN THE, IN THE BOARDROOM. 
          BUT IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, IT'S OUT HERE. 
          AND I MEAN, THAT'S AS IT SHOULD BE. 
          IT'S PUBLIC, IT'S PUBLIC MONEY. 
          UH, BUT WE ALSO COMPETE WITH PRIVATE SECTOR FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ENJOY WORKING FOR THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE BENEFITS AND THEY ENJOY SERVING THE PUBLIC. 
          THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT IN, UH, WANNA WORK FOR THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S, THEY LIVE HERE AND IT'S, UH, CONVENIENT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO THERE'S PLUSES OF MASKS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, PERSON THAT'S AN EMPLOYEE AROUND 500 PEOPLE THAT ARE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BEAT THIS TO DEATH. 
          UH, BUT, UH, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFY IT ANY WAY. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN SAY, YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT. 
          MAKE A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SALARIES BECAUSE OF THE LONGEVITY. 
          AND THEN, UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST LEAVE ALONG. 
          I'LL DO ANYTHING. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE PART, JUST DUE THE $600. 
          SO ACTUALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THE SAVINGS OF SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 GRAND, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING ACTUALLY COST THIS DEPARTMENT HERE ABOUT THREE TO 4,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE OUT POCKET NOW, IF I'M READING RIGHT, 3000 MORE, SHE'S GONNA MAKE, SHE'S STILL GONNA MAKE MORE. 
          BUT I WELL, FROM THE YEAH, BUT WE'RE ON THE SHEET. 
          WHERE ARE YOU GONNA TAKE THIS DATA IF YOU GO TO INFRASTRUCTURE? I BROKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT INTO  PRODUCTS. 
          IS THAT SOMEWHERE IN YOUR I NEED TO KNOW WHAT LINE ITEM THEM. 
          YOU HAVE TO REDUCE IT. 
          REDUCE. 
          I'LL SEE YOU AFTER. 
          WE'LL GET THAT OPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S, LET'S DO THIS, LET'S, WE'VE HEARD YOUR, UH, REQUEST AND CUT THE BUDGET BY YOUR REGULAR BUDGET BY SOME $10,000. 
          WHY DON'T YOU GET THE SPECIFIC OF THAT AND, UH, TRY TO GET THAT TO, UH, I MEAN, YOU'RE TELLING US YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, BUT SHE OBVIOUSLY THE AUDITOR. 
          LET US TALK WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND TRY TO FIGURE THROUGH ON ALL THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO IS THAT OKAY? SURE. 
          GIVE A LITTLE MORE TIME. 
          WE CAN'T GET IT DONE. 
          YOU DO WHAT NOW? STRONG IF WE CAN'T. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SUBJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT SALARIES, UH, THERE WILL BE A, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S WEDNESDAY MORNING OR THURSDAY MORNING EXTENSION SERVICE. 
          THIS, UH, ENTIRE, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT NON-EXEMPT AND EXEMPT EMPLOYEES, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE EXTENSION SERVICE WILL BE ON THE, UH, BE A WEBINAR. 
          UH, Y'ALL MAY HAVE RECEIVE THAT SAME INFORMATION ABOUT IT'S NOT THE THIRD, I, I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT, UH, THE EXTENSION SERVICE AGENTS AS WELL. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW A AND M IT'S GONNA BE COMING FROM THE, THE HEAD OF THE EXTENSION SERVICE IN, UH, COLLEGE STATION. 
          AND I'M NOT, THEY HAVEN'T SAID HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO OFTEN BE AWARE OF AS WELL. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING ENOUGH MONEY FROM THE STATE AND FROM US COMBINED. 
          BUT THEY'RE, THEY MAY BE EXEMPT. 
          I MEAN, THEY MAY NOT, IT MAY NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT THEY 
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HAVEN'T REALLY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN EXACT WHAT THEY SAID. 
          YEAH, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY DID. 
          NO. 
          AND THAT'S THE WHOLE DEAL PROCESS. 
          SO HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT US? I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK BECAUSE THEY GET THEIR SALARIES FROM TWO DIFFERENT YEAH, IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME TO FIND OUT THAT SOME OF THE COUNTIES ACTUALLY SEND THEIR MONEY TO A M AND A M PAY, AND, BUT NOT ALL. 
          I THINK THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 10 OR 12 COUNTIES THAT DO. 
          SO THERE'S LOTS OF, THERE BE AN SALARY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, SALARY OR BONUS OR WHATEVER THE COUNTY'S PARTICIPATION IS. 
          IF WE, I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL WE GET TO THAT WEBINAR. 
          WEBINAR AND FIND OUT. 
          I DO KNOW WHEN WE WERE RESEARCHING TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, I HAD CONTACTED TEXAS A AND M AND I OFFERED TO PAY THE FEE PERSONALLY JUST TO GET THE INFORMATION AND THEY WON'T LET ME HAVE IT. 
          AND THEY KEEP IT PRETTY CLOSE TO MY VEST. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON THEY'RE HAVING THIS WEBINAR BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE. 
          WE DON'T WHAT IT'S KIND OF A SECRET. 
          YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE REASON THEY'RE NOT STATE COLLEGE, SO THEY CAN KEEP IT, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OUTTA IT OR, I DUNNO. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THEY, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          I JUST, I JUST KNOW THEY HAVE A WEBINAR ABOUT THIS THAT FOR MEETING, I FOR MEETING WEDNESDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I MAY HAVE WRITTEN OUT HERE AND I'LL, I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL GET AND WHAT, UH, NINE O'CLOCK WEDNESDAY AND IT'D BE A WEBINAR AND I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE EVERYBODY AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA REPORT IT. 
          SO IT'LL BE ON THERE. 
          BUT THE REASON THEY'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE, SEVERAL COUNTIES, IS THAT WE READ, UNDERSTAND HOW THE MONEY FLOWS, AND THEN THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF EXEMPT VERSUS NON-EXEMPT EMPLOYEES, WHICH HAS REALLY CREATED, UH, AN ISSUE FOR MANY, ALL COUNTIES THAT I'VE TALKED TO THAT LAST WEEK, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF, EXCEPT THOSE THAT WERE ALREADY PAYING MUCH MORE. 
          I MEAN, THEY WERE OUT OF THE, THE, THEY WERE ABOVE 47,000. 
          SO MIGHT, IT'S LIKE THAT IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGE TO THE MONEY TO TEXAS A M AND AND IT, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW THE COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING THAT, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT, WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USED. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT. 
          I THIS IS OTHER BUSINESS, RIGHT? PARDON? OTHER BUSINESS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDER OTHER BUSINESS IT CAN BE ANYTHING RELATED, BUT, OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, I HAVE WENT THROUGH THE COLLECTIONS IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM CHANGES HOME. 
          AND THE KEY PIN THAT SEEMS TO REVOLVE AROUND THIS NEW LEGISLATION OR THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THRUST IS MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE UNABLE TO PAY FINES AND COURT COSTS WILL BE GIVEN COMMUNITY SUPERVISION, I'M SORRY, COMMUNITY SERVICE OR OTHER NON-MONETARY PROGRAMS THAT ARE CREATED IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND I, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 
          I PRAY ABOUT IT AND IT'S LIKE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE RULES. 
          SO I'M GONNA GIVE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME DURING THE DAY TO GO OUT AND CREATE THIS COMMUNITY SERVICE OR NON-MONETARY PROGRAMS. IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE ME AWAY FROM THE OFFICE WAY TOO LONG. 
          AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS LEGISLATION. 
          IT'S THE PROCESS THAT THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL IS GOING. 
          SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN THE COLLECTIONS PROGRAM BACK OVER TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND YOU CAN BUILD IT CREATED, GIVE IT TO ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO PERHAPS HAS TIME OR HAS THE INCLINATION THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE IT. 
          AND I DO HAVE THE, UH, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP IN 20 13 14, 
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WHERE THE COURT WENT GETTING A COLLECTIONS CLERK. 
          THEY WENT FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME. 
          I HAVE ONE PERSON THAT THIS COURT IS ALLOCATED FOR COLLECTIONS. 
          AND MY SECOND PROBATION BRING UP IS I, I LISTENED TO THE TAPE ON TUESDAY AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRIOR MEETING THAT YOU HAD SAID DIEGO, GO WITH ONE MORE COLLECTIONS PERSON. 
          AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, SUBDIVISION WHEN THE ENGINEER CAME IN AND TALKED TO Y'ALL ABOUT HAVING A SUBDIVISION COORDINATOR. 
          AND WE HAD ALSO TALKED, I BELIEVE IN THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER'S WORKSHOP THAT THE LEGISLATION HAS THAT CAME UP THAT SAID COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THAT OVER 110,000 PEOPLE POPULATION MUST RECORD THEIR VIDEOS AND PUT 'EM ON THE WEBSITE. 
          AND I SAID THAT I COULD TAKE ONE PERSON, GIVE THEM THE WEBSITE, GIVE THEM THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT VIDEOTAPING THE WEBSITE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THAT OTHER PROGRAM IN AND DOING THE SUBDIVISION COORDINATION BETWEEN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTY. 
          AT THAT TIME I THOUGHT THAT SECOND PERSON WAS FOR SUBDIVISIONS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ON THE TUESDAY MEETING. 
          SO I NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          BUT I ALSO IN OTHER BUSINESS, WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, THIS TIME I WILL WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO, UM, SHE'S PULLING THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THIS, OKAY. 
          THE, UM, WE STARTED A COLLECTIONS AGREEMENT PROGRAM IN THOUSAND FIVE, 2007 WHEN, WHEN THE LEGISLATURE CAME BACK AND ADDED IN THE CODE CRIMINAL PROCEDURES THAT A POPULATION, A POPULATION OVER 50,000 HAD TO IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, THAT PROGRAM WENT UNDERNEATH THE TREASURER. 
          AND ONE OF MY PEOPLE WHO WERE RUNNING THE PROGRAM WENT AND HEADED UP THAT DEPARTMENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN GIVE YOU A COPY OF THE BUDGET I WORK WITH THE AUDITOR OVER, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT BUDGET NEEDS TO INCLUDE. 
          YOU NEED TO DEFINITELY INCLUDE, UM, PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO INCLUDE TRAINING, YOU NEED TO INCLUDE, UH, SOFTWARE FOR LEXINEXIS AND ALSO FOR, UH, ICLOUD. 
          YOU, IT, IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S A DEPARTMENT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ON ITS OWN ITS OWN DIMENSION. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THE COMMUNITY SUPERVISION PART OF THIS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE ALSO TALKED TO DAVID DANIELS, HE'S COME TO THIS COURT, HE'S COME TO THE JUDGE MEETING. 
          HE'S ALSO SAID THAT IT'S THIS TIME HE DOES NOT BELIEVE HE CAN COMPLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED OR NOT. 
          I DUNNO. 
          BUT I'M NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HIM SINCE. 
          UH, YOU READ THE MEETING, UH, FRIDAY, UH, OR TWO FRIDAYS AGO. 
          WHEN, WHEN YES. 
          WHEN THERE WERE SOME CHANGES YOU MADE I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT NOT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, NOT, NOT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE ASPECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY ARE STICKING WITH THAT, THAT THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT UNABLE TO PAY AND UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT JUST INDIGENT. 
          IF YOU MAKE A SALARY OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF BILLS THAT MAKES YOU UNABLE TO PAY. 
          AND THAT DETERMINATION HAS TO BE WORKED THROUGH THE COURTS OR IN, IN ANY CASE, THAT UNABLE TO PAY REGARDLESS OF THE SITUATION, WHETHER IT'S LACK OF FUNDS OR, OR WHATEVER. 
          THE COURT HAS TO EITHER WAIVE, REDUCE FINDING FOR COSTS OR GIVE THEM COMMUNITY COMMUNITY SERVICE OR OTHER NON-MONETARY OPTIONS. 
          UM, WHY WOULD THE COURT TAKE CARE OF THIS INSTEAD OF GOING THE OFFICE? IS THAT ASSIGNED TO, HAS TO DO THIS? NO, UM, IT'S, IT IS A CODE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE IS A PROGRAM THAT HAS TO BE CREATED BY THE COURT COMMISSIONER. 
          NO, I MEAN AS FAR AS MONITORING IT, YOU HAD THE, UM, I THINK JUDGE YOU ASKED OCA FOR THAT. 
          AND IT CAN BE DONE BY, UM, PRETTY MUCH ANY OFFICE. 
          THERE ARE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC OFFICES IN THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURES THAT SAY THEY COLLECT MONEY UNDER THAT FUND. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE, THE SHERIFF COUNTY AND DISTRICT COURTS, UM, TREASURER COLLECTION, THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT SHARE VERY LIMITED PEOPLE WHO CAN COLLECT MONEY UNDERNEATH THAT STATUTE. 
          HERE'S THE COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT SALARY. 
          THAT WAS NINE AND 10. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, 
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LEMME TELL YOU, AND I THINK I, ON ALL NINE OTHER COMMUNICATIONS WITH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WHO IS OUR LIAISON WITH THE OFFICE COURT ADMINISTRATION, THE QUESTION TO HIM WAS, WHAT IF WE JUST NOT TO DO THIS BECAUSE COST, UH, IT'S GOING FAR OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS IN MY OPINION. 
          AND, UH, OF COURSE WANTS TO DO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CERTAINLY WANNA GET LEGAL INVOLVED. 
          WE, I'M SORRY WE NOT PARTICIPATE. 
          WE DON'T WANT CREATE A BIGGER PROBLEM. 
          BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, LAURA, YOU, YOU HELPED ME HERE. 
          IF I SAY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CORRECT, WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, WE POSSIBLY COULD DO THAT WOULD BE BE FINE. 
          BUT THE FINE WOULD BE MUCH LESS THAN HIRING, UH, 4, 5, 6 HALF DOZEN PEOPLE TO OPERATE THE PROGRAM. 
          AND IT IS A CLASSIC, CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE STATE PASSING ON, UH, AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. 
          AND THIS IS REALLY A, ACTUALLY WIND UP BEING ONE OF THE LARGEST UNFUNDED MANDATES THAT WOULD COME OUT. 
          AND THIS IS NOT DONE BY THE LEGISLATURE. 
          THIS IS DONE BY A COUNCIL AND IT'S RULE. 
          SO, UH, WHEN I WAS AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK AT TEXAS ASSOCIATION COUNTIES, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT NOT A GREAT DEAL. 
          AND FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER COUNTIES, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THEM. 
          BUT THE COUNTIES THAT, UH, ARE LARGER, I MEAN IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT COST. 
          I TALKED TO A COUNTY CLERK THAT'S NEARBY AND SHE SAID THAT THEY, THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE, THAT'S HER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET ALL KINDS OF OPINION OUT THERE ON THEY IS THIS, SO GET RID OF OVERRULE OR RHONDA. 
          I THINK, UH, YOUR, UH, IF, IF THE, IF THE, UH, ADULT PROBATION DECIDES NOT TO COLLECT THESE FEES, THEN I BELIEVE MY STATUTE GOES BACK. 
          IT, IT COMES BACK TO ME. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF EITHER. 
          I MEAN, LIKE LAURA, THERE'S NO WAY THAT I CAN COMPLY WITH IT. 
          AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFER AND GIVE IT BACK TO COMMISSIONERS, GIVE IT TO, I MEAN SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD DO IT. 
          WE COULD MONITOR, I MEAN, FIVE OR 600 PEOPLE. 
          THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD DO THAT. 
          THE COLLECTION PART'S THE EASY PART. 
          NOT THAT IT'S EASY, BUT I NEED MONITOR PART, DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY. 
          AND DID THEY GIVE ANYBODY EXPERT DO YES. 
          WASN'T THAT, BUT THIS IS 13 AND THIS IS 10 11. 
          YES. 
          WHAT SHE'S SHOWING HERE IS, IS IN A 2010 11 BUDGET, PRELIMINARY, UM, TALKS, I GUESS COLLECTIONS OFFICE WAS 148,004 BUDGET AND OTHER Y'ALL HAVE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT PRIOR TO THAT 54,000 AND HER OFFICE ABSORBED, I MAY MENTION. 
          SO NOW I'M SAYING IT'S SO OVERWHELMING THAT WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER PERSON. 
          NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WITH THE CHANGE IN THE RULE THAT PLACES MORE EMPHASIS ON THE NEED FOR THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY, SUPER COMMUNITY SERVICE OPTIONS, THAT I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME NOR THE STAFF TO DO WHAT'S NEEDED TO BE DONE. 
          AND WHILE YOU ARE RIGHT IN, WHEN YOU SAID THAT IF WE DON'T, IF WE OPT NOT TO HAVE A PROGRAM, THEN WE WILL LOSE THOSE 10% OF OUR STATE FEES THAT, THAT WE COLLECT. 
          AND, BUT I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT WHEN WE MET WITH JUDGES THAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS SAID, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT OPTION AND I HANDED A PAPERWORK OUT, SHE SAID, THAT MAY NOT BE THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO BASED ON IT COULD BE A LIABILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I SAY WE NEED TO, IT'S NOT AN EASY PROBLEM TO SOLVE WITHOUT, UH, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT BY DOING IT. 
          BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT WITHOUT, UH, ADVICE. 
          Y'ALL HAVE ANY INSIGHT ON THIS? I KNOW THAT, UM, 
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AS FAR AS THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT, WHERE THE PROGRAM COMES FROM IS, THERE'S BEEN A BIG PUSH ABOUT THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE CARD THAT WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T PAY THESE FINES OR DO THINGS, THEY'RE BASICALLY PUT IN JAIL. 
          AND SO IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, DEBTORS PRISON IS ILLEGAL. 
          SO WHERE IT STARTS WITH, BASICALLY IT'S MAKING IT LIKE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JAIL FOR MONETARY DEBTS. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE NEXUS OF WHERE THIS BEGAN. 
          NOW I'M NOT TOTALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE, UM, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S MANDATE, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO OPT OUT AND PAY THE FINE THAT IT'S PROBABLY SOME KIND OF STAIR STEP. 
          UM, YEAH, THEY, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE NOBODY WOULD PAY THE FINE AND JUST YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE PROGRAM. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT WOULD BE RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE. 
          SO, UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A DEPARTMENT OF ITS OWN WHEN YOU START HAVING TO MONITOR, UM, WORK PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY CASES DO YOU ESTIMATE THAT WOULD'VE TO BE MONITORED EVERY YEAR? WE, WE GAVE THAT LIST TO YOU THE LAST TIME. 
          I KNOW THAT, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE PROBATION CAME IN WITH FIVE OR 600 CASES AND WE HAD WELL OVER A THOUSAND. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY THE TIMEFRAME HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE RULE. 
          WHEREAS BEFORE, SAY JOHNNY, NOT JOHNNY, WELL MARY WOULD SEND SOMEONE OVER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THEIR FILING A FOUR MONTH PERIOD OF TIME. 
          THAT'S ALL YOU GET FOUR MONTHS, YOU'RE GONNA PAY THE $200 IN FOUR MONTHS, THOSE TIMEFRAMES. 
          AND, AND FOR MISDEMEANORS, IT WAS TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO THE END OF PROBATION SO THAT THERE WAS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU WOULD SPEND WITH ONE DEFENDANT ON A CASE BEFORE YOU COULD SEND IT TO THE OUTSIDE COLLECTIONS OR PUT IT OUT FOR A WARRANT. 
          THEY REMOVED THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          SO IT WOULD BE BASED ON THEIR ABILITY TO PAY SO THEY COULD DRAG IT OUT FOR YEARS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE VICIOUS CIRCLE. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT SITUATION, WHETHER IT'S WHERE THERE CAN'T BE HELPED OR WHETHER IT'S JUST THE WAY THEY DO LIFE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM . 
          SO, BUT ONE THING, JUDGE, WE CAN LOOK, GET WITH MORE AND LOOK AT THAT MANDATE AND JUST TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH INFORMATION ON THAT TO MAYBE COME UP, HELP COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS OR ALTERNATIVES AND NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS IS AFFECTING A LOT OF COUNTIES. 
          SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW OTHER COUNTIES, IN MY OPINION, HOW OTHER COUNTIES ARE GOING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THESE PROGRAMS AND, AND, UM, AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FURTHER GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE OR FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EMAIL BECAUSE IT ALMOST BECOMES A CON CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I THINK THE DECEMBER 1ST IS WHEN IT, JANUARY, JANUARY 1ST IS WHEN IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE TIME AND, UH, MR. . 
          YES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, MY FOLLOWING OF THIS HAS JUST BEEN THROUGH DALLAS MORNING NEWS AND OTHER MEDIA JUST, AND, AND THERE IS THE CONCERN BY THE COURTS OF, UH, THE ONEROUS AMOUNTS OF THE FINES AND FEES GIVEN THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT PEOPLE HAVE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT ONE OUTCOME GROWTH OF THIS COULD BE WITHIN WHAT THE RULES ALLOW THE COURTS REDUCE FINES AND F YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REDUCE THE, THE GROSS AMOUNT THAT'S DUE FROM THE, UH, DEFENDANT, THE CONVICTED PERSON AND THEN THE COMMUNITY SERVICE POINT. 
          I THINK, UH, THE CLERK IS, UM, CORRECT THAT IT IS, WE HAVE THROUGH THE POOR FARM AN OUTLET FOR FOUR PEOPLE NOW FROM ADULT PROBATION TO COME AND CONTRIBUTE HOURS. 
          AND STAN CAP, I THINK IS ME THAT MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE. 
          STAN CAP, YOU KNOW, COORDINATES THAT AND IT RELATES WITH ADULT PROBATION. 
          THE POOR FARM HAS THE ABILITY THROUGH, UM, THE SPACE THAT IT HAS AND AN ACTIVE, UH, ENGAGED BOARD THAT'S REALLY TRYING TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE THERE. 
          THE POOR FARM HAS, COULD BE A POTENTIAL SOURCE TO ABSORB A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER NON-PROFITS IN THE COUNTY 
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THAT HAVE COMMUNITY SERVICE, THEY HAVE NEEDS THAT COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS COULD ADDRESS. 
          SO PART OF THIS FUNCTION IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOREIGN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO, TO BE THE, THE INSPIRATIONAL LEADER OF THIS, THIS WHOLE COLLECTION AND INCREASING THE THROUGHPUT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS. 
          AND, UM, YOU GOT FROM ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL, I THINK IT'S A FEDERAL JUSTICE THING AND, AND THEY'RE KIND OF DUG IN. 
          AND UM, AND ALSO IT'S JUST, IF WE CAN ENCOUNTER PEOPLE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IN SOME SMALL WAY HELP THEM DEVELOP A NEW WAY OF THINKING ABOUT LIFE THROUGH THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECT, THAT'S A, A LONGWIN FOR THE COUNTY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I I KNOW THERE'S BEEN COLLECTION ACTION DOWN IN, IN, IN THIS SUITE OF OFFICES DOWN THERE AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S, UH, A GOOD BIT OF BUDGET MONEY ALREADY AVAILABLE. 
          AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF IF WE, IF THE COURT STARTS TO DEVELOP A, A SOLUTION WHERE, UM, LONG TERM THERE MAY BE SOME RELIEF, BUT SHORT TERM WE'VE GOTTA KIND OF COME UP WITH AN ACTION PLAN FOR JANUARY 1ST, UH, THEN YOU KNOW, I I I'D BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND DO ANYTHING I CAN DO. 
          UM, 'CAUSE AS I'VE TOLD Y'ALL SO MANY TIMES, IT'S THESE HURTING PEOPLE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY THAT ARE SO ON MY HEART. 
          AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE IN PRAYER AND IF THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I, I NEED TO PLUG IN, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE TRY TO PLUG IN AND USE MY MEAGER SKILLS WHERE I, I TAKE DETAIL AND I KNOW JUDGE ADAMS AND JUDGE GARDNER ARE HERE AND JUDGE ADAMS, I BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY DO YOUR OWN COLLECTION. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          HAVE YOU COME UP OR STAND UP. 
          SO WE, YOU KIND, WE MAYBE GET THERE. 
          HOW SIT DOWN, LORD. 
          STAND UP , HOW DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS AND UH, HAVE YOU KEPT UP WITH IT? UH, NOT, NOT SO MUCH. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN, UH, CONTEMPLATING GIVING IT UP FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW. 
          AND WE GET READY TO GIVE IT UP AND THE GIRL SAYS, NO, IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL, LET'S CONTINUE TO KICK IT. 
          BECAUSE THEY, THEY TRY TO HELP EVERYBODY. 
          AND, UH, WE'D GOTTEN THIS RUT BEFORE WHEN WE HAD, WE WOULD SEND THEM TO COLLECTIONS AND THEN WHEN THEY QUIT MAKING IT COME RIGHT BACK TO US, IT WAS BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM ANYMORE. 
          AND LIKE LAURA SAID, WE USED TO DO THIS. 
          ALL THE PRECINCTS DID THIS, WE KEPT OUR OWN COLLECTIONS OR WE DID OUR OWN COLLECTIONS. 
          AND THEN FOR SOME REASON IT GOT WHEN IT WAS MANDATED. 
          MANDATED ON YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE CHOSE TO KEEP IT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY, WE, WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO KEEP THEM FROM GOING ON A PAYMENT PLAN. 
          WE GIVE 'EM PROBATION DEFERRED, STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY. 
          WHEN THEY DO A PAYMENT PLAN, IT'S 25 DAYS, 30 DAYS, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A TO THE BOARD . 
          BUT IT IS WORKING FOR US RIGHT NOW BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY. 
          SO, SO WE ARE THE MOST, WE'RE THE THOUSAND COME THAT THOUSAND CASES A YEAR. 
          WE HAVE, IT'S NOT COURT COURT LAW. 
          DISTRICT COURT GOES TO DISTRICT COURT. 
          ANYBODY THAT GOES, ANYBODY THAT GOES ON PROBATION FOR FELONY GOES TO COMMUNITY SUPERVISION. 
          ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T GO TO THAT, THAT'S NOT ON, NO, THAT'S NOT ON PROBATION WOULD COME TO US. 
          AND THEN ALL THE COUNTY COURT AT LAW AND THE THREE JPS AND ALSO ANYBODY THAT GETS OUT OF, UM, THE PENITENTIARY COMES BACK TO US AS IT TO THOSE NUMBERS AND WE CAN REPRINT THAT AND GIVE IT TO YOU, GIVE THE CASELOAD. 
          BUT I I THOUGHT WE HAD GIVEN IT TO YOU. 
          LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST NOT THE JP IT'S JUST NOT YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET ON. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU HAVE A THOUSAND CASES BASICALLY FROM THE THREE JP COURT THAT OTHER THAN YOURS, THE TWO COUNTY COURT AT LAW AND THE TWO DISTRICT COURT, THEY GO, THEY GO COLLECTIONS. 
          MOST MOST COURTS GO TO EITHER JAIL. 
          THEY EITHER GO TO THE PENITENTIARY 
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OR THEY GO ON PROBATION. 
          AND IF THEY GO ON PROBATION, PROBATION, THEY COME OUT AND THEY, DAVID, THE PROBATION OFFICER HAS BEEN VERY ADAMANT ABOUT NOT PERIOD. 
          IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE STAFFING? YEAH, ON THE, WELL, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MONITORING ISSUE CHANGED. 
          THEY CHANGED THE PROGRAM TO ME. 
          YOU WILL DO 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 
          THEY WILL DO IT IN THIS TIMEFRAME. 
          WE WILL AUDIT THAT TO BECOMING THIS VERY NEBULOUS. 
          WELL, IF THEY CAN'T PAY, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO EITHER REDUCE THE FINDING COURT COSTS, IT WILL COMMUNITY SERVICE FIND OTHER NON-MONETARY PROGRAMS THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THAT C THE CREDIT GIVEN TO THEM. 
          AND IT CHANGES THE TIMEFRAMES, IT CHANGES FOR ANYONE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING. 
          JUDGE GORDON, I KNOW YOU WELL. 
          I WANNA SPEAK ON THE INDIGENT PART REAL, REAL BRIEFLY PLEASE. 
          UM, I JUDGE ADAMS AND I HOLD OUR OWN INDIGENCY HEARINGS. 
          SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE TIMES THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE NEVER GONNA GO TO COLLECTIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN WANNA SPEAK OF WHAT MR. OFIELD SAID, UH, REGARDING COMMUNITY SERVICE. 
          I ASSUME THAT THE COUNTY COURT AND DISTRICT COURT JUDGES HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES REGARDING COMMUNITY SERVICE THAT WE DO. 
          UH, WE CAN'T TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO GO DO THIS. 
          WE, WE CAN GIVE THEM A LIST OF OPTIONS. 
          I'VE SENT PEOPLE, I, I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT SAID THEY WANTED TO GO WORK AT THE COUNTY BARN. 
          UM, I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE POOR FARM AND PEOPLE THAT GO TO GENESIS, THE FOOD TEAM HELPING ANGELS. 
          I HAVE A LIST BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GO, IT'S ANY NON-PROFIT ORGANIZ. 
          UM, NOW PROBATION I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          THEY DON'T ALLOW 'EM TO GO TO CHURCHES THAT RIGHT AROUND LIKE YOUNG KIDS AND YOUNG KIDS AND YOUNG KIDS. 
          UH, GENESIS CENTER WON'T SOMETIMES LET MEN GO OUT THERE, BUT THEY WILL WOMEN, CHILDREN, BUT WE CAN'T PIGEONHOLE THEM AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO GO HERE. 
          WE HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE THAN ONE OUTLET FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICE. 
          UM, IT'S FUNNY THAT Y'ALL ARE DISCUSSING THIS THIS MORNING BECAUSE JUDGE BLA AND I HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION ON FRIDAY REGARDING CAPIAS PROFILES OR THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          UM, CAPIAS PROFILES. 
          IN PAST YEARS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STICKING THEM IN JAIL AND LIVING UNTIL THEY SERVED OUT WHATEVER THEY OWED AT $50 A DAY. 
          WE CAN NO LONG, WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS WHEN THEY'RE ARRESTED. 
          THEY HAVE TO TAKE THIS PROFILE, IF NOT IMMEDIATELY BY THE NEXT DAY. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN BEFORE THE JUDGE THAT ISSUED THAT WARRANT. 
          NOT JUDGE ADAMS AND MYSELF, BUT THAT INCLUDES THE OTHER FOUR. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN BEFORE THE JUDGE OF THE COURT THAT ISSUED THAT WARRANT. 
          AND THERE TOO, THEY HAVE TO DO AN INDIGENCY HEARING. 
          UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WE TAKE A HARD LINE ABOUT YOU DID THE CRIME, YOU NEED TO PAY FOR IT. 
          WELL, SOMETIMES WHEN THEY, HOW DO THEY PAY FOR IT WHEN THEY COME OUT OF PRISON? AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. 
          I HAVE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME THAT WILL ASK ME FOR JAIL TIME SERVED ON TICKETS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN INCARCERATED. 
          JUDGE PERRY DIDN'T ISSUE A LOT OF WARRANTS. 
          SO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ORDER FOR THEM TO BE INCARCERATED, THEY CAN'T, THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR JAIL TIME SERVED IN MY COURT. 
          SO THEREFORE I HAVE TO FIND OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. 
          THEY MAY COME OUT ON PAROLE, THEY MAY COME OUT ON SOME KIND OF PROBATIONARY PERIOD, BUT I INVITE ANY ONE OF YOU TO COME TO MY COURT ON THE INDIGENCY DAY AND YOU WILL SEE THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE FINES. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG I, I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT PAY $10 A MONTH. 
          THEY WENT TO COLLECTIONS, THEY GOT SET UP ON A PAYMENT PLAN, THEY COULDN'T MAKE THE PAYMENTS. 
          THEY HELPED KICK BACK TO ME. 
          I STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO PUT 'EM ON A PAYMENT PLAN. 
          AND THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I TELL 'EM, PAY $10 A MONTH IF YOU CAN'T PAY, IF THERE'S A MONTH, YOU CAN'T PAY $10. 
          JUST PAY SOMETHING EVERY MONTH. 
          BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE'RE NOT UNDER THE RIGOROUS MANDATE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SATISFIED THAT MANDATE. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN DO. 
          BUT WE CAN'T SAY EVERYBODY 
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HAS TO GO TO THE COURT FORM. 
          EVERYBODY HAS TO GO TO THE COMMISSION'S FORM EV WE HAVE TO, THEY THEY DO STILL HAVE RIGHTS TO DECIDE WHERE IT'S, SOME OF 'EM DON'T EVEN HAVE TRANSPORTATION IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. 
          AND, AND I KNOW THAT CAROL, UH, FOR PROBATION, CAROL HAS A PROGRAM WHERE EVERY WEDNESDAY THE CITY WILL COME TO THE PROBATION OFFICE IN THE MORNING, THEY WILL PICK UP WITH WHOEVER'S IN THE PARKING LOT AND THEY WILL TAKE THEM AND THEY WILL WORK THEM FROM EIGHT TO NOON AND THEY WILL DROP THEM OFF. 
          AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT'S EVOLVED OVER TIME. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE, THE PERSON WHO TAKES OVER COLLECTIONS NEEDS TO CONSIDER WORKING WITH THE, WITH THE CITIES FOR COMMISSIONERS AND GIVING THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION, THE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE. 
          UM, I THINK SKIP AND I, WE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO THE CITY OF CORN AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAD PEOPLE ON, ON, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT NEED COMMUNITY SERVICE IN 40 10 40 DO SOMETHING LIKE THE CITY OF CARROLL IS GOING TO PICK THEM UP AT THE SUB COURTHOUSE AND AND TAKE THEM, LET THEM MOVE THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS, STRAP 'EM BACK OFF. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS, IF THEY WORKED OUT A SCHEDULE LIKE YOU TOOK MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO PAY OFF THEIR FINDING COURT CUTS, THEY COULD GO TO THE VARIOUS PRECINCTS AND AND WORK. 
          BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GONNA HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AND COORDINATED AND MANAGED AND GROWN BECAUSE A NUMBER OF CASES WILL, WILL INCREASE. 
          AND I, I THINK KAREN SAID THE OTHER DAY THAT THE REVENUE FOR COLLECTIONS FOR COURT COSTS WILL GO DOWN. 
          UM, I I THINK THE ONLY OF CONTENTION THAT I SEE, I WANNA MAKE THIS REALLY, REALLY CLEAR, IS I HAD MY STAFF GO THROUGH THIS IS IN 20 13, 14. 
          THIS IS WHEN THE COURT APPROVED THAT IF YOU JUST PASS IT ON, HAVE COPIES. 
          THIS IS WHERE THE COURT APPROVED THE, YOU GAVE ME A PART-TIME PERSON. 
          THE PART-TIME PERSON I CAME BACK AND MADE YEAR AND SAID, PLEASE MAKE THEM GO FULL-TIME. 
          I MADE A MISTAKE WHEN I DID MY LAST PAYROLL CHANGE NOTICES THAT I PUT DOWN TWO PEOPLE FOR COLLECTIONS. 
          BUT THIS COURT HAS GIVEN ME ONE PERSON TO DO COLLECTIONS. 
          SO IN GIVING UP THE COLLECTIONS PROCESS OR PROGRAM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COURT MAY COME BACK AND SAY, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ONE PERSON FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT. 
          I WANT ME TO CLEAR IT IS ONE PERSON AND IF YOU WANT ME TO DO SUBDIVISIONS, THEN PERHAPS THAT PERSON CAN SAY, AND I CAN USE THAT PERSON TO DO THE COMMISSION'S FORM VIDEO. 
          WELL, SUBDIVISION WE TALKED ABOUT OTHER DAY HOW MANY THOSE ACTUALLY, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO JUSTIFY A PERSON FOR SUB WHEN YOU'RE ONLY GONNA CHECK OFF THIS AND THEN GIVE IT BACK. 
          WE FILED 36 PLATS THIS YEAR SO FAR. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHEN, UM, THE ENGINEER WAS HERE AND HE, AND, AND REBECCA YOU CAN HELP ME. 
          HE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE INFORMATION IS GIVEN HANDED OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE AND THAT THE MONEY IS COLLECTED WHEN THEY GO BACK FOR REVIEW. 
          THAT THE MONEY IS COLLECTED AND THERE'S A CENTRAL POINT THAT SOMEONE CAN GO TO. 
          WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD A LOT OF COUNTY PLAS SUBMITTED, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF CITY PLAS SUBMITTED AND COMMISSIONERS DON'T GET COPIES OF THE CITY CLASS CITY. 
          SO THE CITY, THEY HAVE TO FILE THE CITY CLASS WITH YOU, RIGHT? YES, THEY DO. 
          AND AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT COMMUNICATION OPENING UP THAT THAT COMMUNICATION THAT WHEN WE GET A FLAT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOUR PRECINCT, THAT YOU ARE MADE AWARE OF IT AND YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED BY ANY YEAH, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT LOTS OF ISSUES NOW WITH SUBDIVISION GOING IN THE CITIES AND AFFECTING OUR DRAINAGE IN THE COUNTY RUNNING DOWNHILL. 
          BUT THE IS I I'M ASKING DOESN'T HAVE THEM. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THEM. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE TO TURN 'EM IN, WHEN THEY DON'T IN, IN THOSE PLATS IT'LL SAY HOW MANY ACRES? NO, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CITY EVEN HAS GIVE IT TO YOU EXCEPT AFTER IT'S A COMPLETE FINAL PLAT AND THEY JUST WANT IT ON THE BOOKS. 
          SO THEY COME AND TURN IT INTO YOU AND SAY, HERE IT IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN WHEN THEY GOT THAT NEW, UH, PLANNERS IN THE CITY OF LL AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THIS, THIS KEY PERSON AND THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN. 
          AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, NO PROBLEM. 
          WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT OPEN INTO THE COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OPPOSED. 
          EVEN WHEN I CALLED DALLAS AND ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE PLAQUE, THEY DON'T HAVE IT. 
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I'LL GIVE THAT OVER TO YOU. 
          SO THIS, WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW THIS NEW, YOU HAVE 15 MEETING IN MY APARTMENT PRESENT TODAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THIS NEW PROPOSAL SHOWS 17, THE ONE VACANT, THEY CAN INCLUDE MY 15, IT WOULD BE 17, TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOW 17. 
          WAIT, IS IT TWO NEW COLLECTIONS? NO ONE POSITION. 
          TAKE MY NAME ON IT. 
          WELL, THE 16TH. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE 35,000 THAT SHE HAD PUT IN AUGUST 12TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THIS NEW YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE THAT, THAT THIS, THIS NEW POSITION. 
          IF WE LEFT THAT IN THERE TO DO THE SUBDIVISIONS OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT STUFF, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT THE 'CAUSE AS LONG AS THE PERSON THAT YOU WERE GIVEN ON THIS ONE AND STAY IN MY OFFICE, I'LL MAKE THIS ONE AS THE THE SUBDIVISION PERSON. 
          YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO MODIFY. 
          WE'D STILL HAVE THE SAME 15 THAT I'VE HAD SINCE. 
          SO IT, THEY ONE YOU ONE WOULD COME BACK TO THE COURT TO GO INSTEAD OF HER DEPARTMENT HAS 17 TOTAL COUNT PER 16, 15 PLUS YOU, SO ONE OF THESE GO AWAY. 
          THE ONE THAT'S MARKED AS NEW POSITION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GO TO WHOEVER YOU WANT TO MAKE THE COLLECTIONS. 
          AND WHILE WE'RE ON THAT, DO YOU CONTINUE UNTIL JANUARY 1ST? FIRST I, I'LL DO WHATEVER TO DO AND I WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, I CAN SHOW THEM HOW WE KNEW IF THE SOFTWARE WE USE, UM, SO THAT THERE'S A SEAMLESS TRANSITION, DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          MAYBE GIVE A LITTLE TIME FOR US TO CARRY IT THROUGH WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE, HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT YOU'LL BE THE EXPERT ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR JUDGE'S GONNA BE A GUESS AT FIRST. 
          IT, IT'LL BE, I WOULD HOPE OUR JUDGES WOULD MAKE, WOULD REALIZE, UH, INDIVIDUAL, EACH INDIVIDUAL JUDGE CAN, SO ONCE THE, WE FINALLY GET THE RULE, MAYBE WE CAN TALK WITH THE INDIVIDUAL JUDGES, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT THE ISSUE. 
          AND I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY ARE HEARING THIS FROM OTHER COUNTIES AND AND OTHER JUDGES, RIGHT? OTHER JUDGES, THEY'RE NOT EVEN ARRESTED. 
          THEY JUST ISSUE MORE TICKETS TO THEM. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOOD THAT DOES 'EM, BUT IF THEY STOP 'EM NOW THEY HAVE 15 WARRANTS OUT NON AND EVERYTHING, WHAT THEY DO, THEY RIDE ANOTHER TICKET NON LET THEM DRIVE. 
          I GUESS THEY DON'T WANT TO HANDLE THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE FACED WITH. 
          SO THEY DON'T DO. 
          AND IF THEY DO, THEN BY THE NEXT MORNING IT'S TIME SERVED. 
          IT'S WHY OFF. 
          I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE AN ANSWER. 
          I SO THAT WE'RE ALL UNDER UNDERSTANDING TO CLEAR LEAVING ONE ADDITIONAL YOUR OFFICE THAT WOULD BE MORE CLASS WORKING ISSUE AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE COURT COMPLIES WITH THE RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HANDLE THE, UH, COLLECTIONS UNTIL JANUARY 1ST. 
          WE HAVE TIME PREPARE WE TO GET DONE. 
          HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE OTHER PROGRAM UP AND STARTED AND, AND THAT GET THAT, GET THAT GOING SO THAT JANUARY 1ST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IN THEY'RE GONNA HEAR FROM KNOW THEY HAD BILL ONE PASSING COPY YEARS AGO THAT TOOK OFF THE POPULATION REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THAT CAME PERMISSIVE RATHER THAN MANDATORY, BUT IT WAS O CAME BACK AND PUT THE POPULATION BACK IN AND IT MANDATORY IN THE SECOND SESSION. 
          SO IF THAT MAY SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE, I THINK MAYBE IT'D BE MORE, THEY MIGHT FIGURE OUT PASS TO US FOR THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'LL GO AWAY. 
          I DON'T THINK IT CAN'T, DON'T THINK THEY GOT A PROBLEM. 
          UH, DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY OUR SUBSTITUTION THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT EVERYTHING WE NEED TO THAT? WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION. 
          FACT, WHENEVER WE HAD THE WORKSHOP WHEN WE BROUGHT OUR ENGINEERS IN AND THEY MENTIONED, UM, I GUESS SOME, SOME HOLES THAT WE HAD IN OUR COMMUNICATION AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A REALLY, A CENTRAL WAY OF INFORMING DEVELOPERS WHENEVER THEY CAME IN. 
          AND SO LAURA'S IDEA TO BRING IN THIS NEW PERSON IS TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO I, I THINK ONCE WE GET 
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THAT WE CAN PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS A UNIFORM CONCEPT OF HOW WE'RE ADVISING PEOPLE, WHAT WE'RE GIVING 'EM AND HOW EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS IS WORKING TOGETHER. 
          BUT THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO PUT THAT PLAN TOGETHER. 
          AND I THINK IT ALSO GOES ALONGSIDE US WANTING TO REDO OUR 2007, UH, REGULATIONS. 
          SO I, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MORE COMPLICATED, UH, PROCESS THAN, THAN WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE. 
          I JUST WANT TO GET EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE EVENTUALLY, LORD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO WE LEAVE, WE LEAVE THAT DEPARTMENT AS IS WITH THAT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          WELL WE JUST TOOK THIS ONE SYSTEM OUT, RIGHT? YES. 
          THAT'S TAKE THE ONE NEW ONE OUT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LEAVE THE VACANT THAT SHE ALREADY HAD, RIGHT, LAURA? YES. 
          THE, THE BACON'S BEEN FILLED. 
          SO THAT'S NOT VACANT ANYMORE? NO. 
          ONLY SHE SHOWED ONE VAC. 
          YES, I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND IT, I THINK IT'S LISTED AS 31,000 AND I HIRED THE NEW PERSON IN AT 29. 
          SO THIS IS FILLED. 
          YES, IT WAS FILLED AS BUT THERE WILL BE A NET OF ONE NEW POSITION COMPARED TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          NO, NO. 
          NO'S GETTING NO NEW POSITION. 
          NO, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          IF YOU, I THINK THAT IF IN ALL FAIRNESS THE COURT GAVE ME ONE POSITION TO DO COLLECTIONS AND IF I SAID I DON'T WANT TO DO COLLECTIONS ANYMORE, THAT I, IT NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE THAT CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IF YOU WOULD LEAVE THAT PERSON IN, I WOULD USE THAT PERSON TO DO THE SUBDIVISION STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL REMAIN AT 15 EMPLOYEES. 
          I'M TALKING. 
          I, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, UH, RHONDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE COURT? UH, NO. 
          I WAS JUST HERE IN CASE WE HAD SOME CLARIFICATION ON OUR COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A WORK IN PROGRESS AS WE CAN. 
          I SUGGEST WE TAKE A REAL QUICK BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK AND, UH, CONTINUE THIS, THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I HAVE ABOUT OTHER THREE TAKE. 
          SHE DOESN'T HAVE A DOES AND ONLY EIGHT ONE. 
          I WONDER THEY USED TO IN THE, IN THE MOVE DISTRICT COURT. 
          OH, NO, I DUNNO ABOUT THAT. 
          ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I THINK THE COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT, WHEN IT WAS, THERE WAS A COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENTS AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE. 
          DIDN'T THEY WERE IN THE COURTHOUSE? I BELIEVE THE DEPARTMENT WAS MM-HMM. 
          DOWN AT THE END. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEY DID THE DISTRICT, UH, THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS COULD UH, JACKIE TALK THE TWO JUDGES THAT ARE HERE ABOUT THEM TAKING BACK OVER THEIR COLLECTIONS, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY THAT THE, AND I DON'T, I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE AN ANSWER TO, BUT IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? COURT DISTRICT JUDGE COURT THAT BE RESPONSIBILITY? OH, TO SHIP TO COLLECTIONS? I'D HAVE TO CHECK. 
          UM, AND THEY SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE A COLLECTION DEPARTMENT AFTER YOU GET 50,000, USUALLY IT'S TIED TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT ALREADY RECEIVES MONEY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DO THAT NOW, BUT I'VE CHECKED ONE OH THREE AND THEN ALSO CALL THE, AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN OPTION I'M NOT SURE LOOKING AT, WE WANNA TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT OPTION THAT, FOR THEM TO KEEP A COMMUNICATION. 
          WELL I THINK, I THINK YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE, THOSE POSITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE AND WILLING TO DO IT. 
          BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THEIR WORKLOAD AND IF THEY NEEDED EXTRA POSITIONS, I MEAN, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THE WORKLOAD ALREADY NEEDS AT LEAST TOO. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD DIVIDE. 
          WELL JPS WE COULD DO IT AS A PART-TIME PERSON THAT MAY NOT DO AS A PART-TIME PERSON. 
          ALSO, I'M SURE THAT THEIR CASELOAD IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS FAR AS UM, THE OFFENSES THAT THEY HAVE. 
          BUT I MEAN THEY, THE 
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JPS HAVE A LOT OF VOLUME IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          PROBATION. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK WE WERE ALSO THIS COLLECTION FOR SOME PAROLE VIOLATIONS. 
          SO IT'S NOT ONLY PROBATION. 
          I'LL ADD THAT AS A THIRD OPTION. 
          NOW STUDIES INTERESTED TO, I KIND OF WANT SEE WHAT OTHER COUNTIES, HOW THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING IT NORMALLY THE BEST IDEA, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OUR SIZE. 
          I'VE BEEN TALKING BEHIND Y'ALL BACK MAYBE. 
          YES. 
           WE'RE USED TO THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M BLATANTLY HONEST. 
          UM, I TALKED TO RHONDA COURT COORDINATOR BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DO IT AND THE DISTRICT IN COUNTY COORDINATOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SAFE. 
          I SAY REBECCA, SHE'LL FIND ME. 
          DON'T HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH. 
          SHE'LL FIND ME LATER. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE JUST WANT CLARIFICATION FOR OUR OFFICES. 
          IS IT ON SALARY, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          IS IT, DOES IT STILL STAND AND MAYBE LEGAL CAN HELP US WITH IT, THAT IF WE GAVE DURING OUR, IN OUR SALARY INCREASES THAT WE GAVE WAS IN OUR 1516 BUDGET NOW OUR 7, 16, 17. 
          SO THAT THIS STILL FALL TO WHERE THEY WILL NOT GET THE $600. 
          AND IS THAT TRUE FOR EVERYBODY? WE JUST WANT SOME LEGAL CLARIFICATION ON THIS QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          BUT IT IMPACTED OUR 1516, NOT OUR 1617. 
          IT DID ACTUALLY IMPACT 1617. 
          IT, I MEAN YOU DIDN'T DIRECTLY INCREASE IT BY COMING TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, BUT WHAT YOU DID IN 15, 16, 16, 17, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULD CARRY IT FORWARD TO THE NEXT BUDGET. 
          BUDGET. 
          AND THEN YOUR QUESTION IS, IS YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU WANTED IT TO MOVE FORWARD OR YOU DON'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          I ASSUME YOU WOULD WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          YES, I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN, IT IS ACROSS THE BOARD THAT IF ANYONE THAT GOT THE RAISE IN THE 1516, IF THEY WERE GIVEN TO IT IN JANUARY OR JULY OR AUGUST, DOES IT, IS IT THE SAME FOR THEM ALSO OUTSIDE THEM GETTING ANY PROMOTION OR SOMETHING? CORRECT LIKE THAT? I MEAN, UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE DO GET PROMOTIONS DURING THE YEAR AND UH, SO YOU, YOU DO UNDERSTAND OURS WERE ALL BASED ON . 
          THEY WERE NOT EVER BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY LEFT OVER IN OUR BUDGET, OUR SALARY. 
          WE HAD TO GO TO THE AUDITOR AND SHOW HER THAT OUR SALARIES NEVER PLUS LONGEVITY, NEVER EXCEEDED OUR 1516 SALARY LINE ITEM. 
          IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, THEY LEFT OVER MONEY. 
          BUT AFTER THOSE RAISES WERE GIVEN, HOW DID THAT IMPACT 1617? IF YOU HAD TAKEN THAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU HAD TAKEN THE, THE LINE ITEM, THE SALARY LINE ITEM, AND, AND KAREN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF THE 1516 LINE ITEM WAS USED TO 16 BUDGET, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ANY CHANGE OTHER THAN LONGEVITY. 
          UH, BASED ON WHETHER IT'S GONNA MEET FIVE OR 10, 15 YEARS AND RETIREMENT SOCIAL SECURITY. 
          SO, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. 
          WHERE DID THE EXTRA QUOTE EXTRA MONEY COME FROM TO GIVE THE RAISE WHEN, SEE IF YOU HAD YOUR FORM LEAVE AND HE'S MAKING 40,000 BUDGET, YOU WOULD PROMOTE FROM WITHIN, YOU WOULD TAKE THE NEXT PERSON WHO'S ABLE TO HANDLE THAT JOB THAT HAD THE SKILLS AND IS WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON. 
          YOU WOULD BUMP THEM UP AND THEN YOU WOULD TAKE THE REST OF THAT AND DOMINO THE MONEY AND THE PEOPLE IN UNDERNEATH THE JOB DUTIES. 
          THE, THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. 
          NO, I WOULD'VE DONE THAT BECAUSE I'M GONNA LOSE THE POSITION IF I TOOK HIS, IF I TOOK THAT MONEY FROM THE MOVE ONE UP AND THAT MEANS THIS ONE BLANK. 
          IF I 
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TAKE THAT MONEY, THEN GIVE IT OUT AMONGST THOSE WHO ARE LEFT, THEN I'VE LOST A POSITION. 
          BUT YOU, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HIRE SOMEONE IN AND NO. 
          COULD I LOST THAT POSITION. 
          I'VE TAKEN THAT MONEY OUT OF MY BUDGET AND GIVEN IT AMONGST THOSE WHO LEFT. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. 
          I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, HER BUDGET FOR SALARIES IS 4 8 1 1 0 9 FOR FOUR. 
          ARE YOU LOOKING AT, I I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS WORKING BUDGET HERE THAT WE WERE WHAT PAGE? UH, 13TH COUNTY COUNTY CLERK AMENDED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR OF 2016. 
          480 1001. 
          ON THAT SHE, DID SHE OR DID SHE NOT EXCEED THAT BY DOING WHATEVER WENT ON? SHE DID NOT EXCEED THIS CURRENT BUDGET? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN HER CLERKS OUGHT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE 600 WAGE, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL STATED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THEM. 
          YOU DID THE SAME THING. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU DID NOT. 
          SHE DID NOT AND WILL NOT EXCEED HER 16 BUDGET, WHATEVER SHE MADE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO CUT AND DRY. 
          WE GAVE THEM THAT MONEY. 
          IT'S IN THEIR BUDGET. 
          THEY SPENT IT HIGHER, THEY SOLVED IT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP, THE CONCERN WAS IT DOES AFFECT FUTURE BUDGETS. 
          'CAUSE THEN YOU HAVE WHATEVER THEY GAVE 'EM PLUS THAT EMPTY POSITION OR FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS OF THAT POSITION AS, AS LONG AS SHE DIDN'T ELIMINATE A POSITION AND TAKE THAT MONEY AND DIVIDE IT UP. 
          SHE STAYED WITHIN HER BUDGET. 
          STILL GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BOTH Y'ALL. 
          SO THERE'S NO ISSUE. 
          YOU JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE POLICY. 
          SO IF IT AFFECTS FUTURE YEARS AND THEY HAVE TO COME TO COMMISSION COURT, SHE'S SAYING THIS YEAR OUR BUDGET, SINCE THEY SPENT MORE THAN WHAT THE BUDGET BEFORE? WELL, IT SHOULD BE THE SAME THING THIS YEAR THEY FOLLOWED POLICY, OUR POLICY AND THEY STAYED WITHIN BUDGET. 
          SO THERE'S NO ISSUE, I'M GUESS DEPOSIT. 
          THEY HAD SAVINGS IN A POSITION THAT THEY HAD NOT FILLED. 
          THEY USED PART OF THAT MONEY TO INCREASE THE ONES THEY DID. 
          THEY STILL HAVE THAT. 
          THEY POSITION, IF THEY BUDGETS HIT 30 AND THEY SPENT FIVE OF IT, THEY STILL GOT 25. 
          AND IF THEY HIRE SOMEBODY IN AT 28,000 FOR THE REST OF THIS FISCAL PERIOD, THEY'D STILL HAVE THE MONEY TO HIRE THAT PERSON. 
          AND WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR IT FOR THE FUTURE YEARS. 
          WE HAD NO EXTRA MONEY FOR THIS YEAR. 
          WE HAD NO EXTRA MONEY BUDGET TO SAY SAME WHEN THEY THE SAME, YEAH. 
          IT WOULD STILL SAY IF IF WE WEREN'T GIVING INCREASES, THEIR BUDGET WOULD STILL BE FOUR 80 OR HER BUDGET WOULD STILL BE 4 81 1 0 9 EXCEPT RIGHT. 
          THAT'S SAME AS EVERY OTHER DEPART. 
          WE WE EXPECT LONGEVITY INCREASES. 
          WE EXPECT THOSE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          THOSE SECURITY TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE EXPECT THOSE INCREASES IN THOSE CHANGES. 
          BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BASE BASES. 
          YOU DO THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, GONNA INCREASE NEXT BUDGET. 
          THAT'S HOW THE MAP, IT'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY OTHER SIMPLER TO SAY THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SORRY. 
          BUT I THINK IN, IN THE MEETING Y'ALL HAD OTHER DAY, THERE WAS NO RESOLUTION TO THIS OTHER, WE NEED BACK AND REVISIT THE POLICY CAN IMPACT NEXT YEAR, BUT YOU CAN'T GET AWAY MONEY THEN YOUR BUDGET HAS TO STAY THE SAME. 
          WELL, IF SHE, IF SHE DID, LIKE KAREN SAID, TOOK FIVE OUT OF THE 30 AND AND SPLIT IT UP. 
          IF SHE WANTED TO HIRE SOMEBODY, THAT WOULD ONLY BE 25,000. 
          BUT THE WAY IT'S WORKED, IF THEY HIRED SOMEBODY IN IT FACE AT 26 OR 28, SHE WOULD STILL HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY LEFT IN THE PAY PERIOD FOR FOUR OR FIVE PAY PERIODS, HOURS, WHATEVER TIMEFRAME YOU DO. 
          THAT'S HOW IT'S CALCULATED TO SEE. 
          BUT SHE WOULD BE IN TROUBLE TO COME NEXT YEAR IF WE WANT GET IT RAISE, SHE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THAT 4 8 1. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS KEITH'S WHOLE POINT TO, TO THIS POLICY. 
          YOU GOTTA STAY WITHIN THAT BUDGET. 
          THE WHOLE POINT WAS THAT YOU NEED TO FIX THE POLICY, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE BY WHAT YOU HAVE APPROVED. 
          WHEN THEY BRING THAT TO ME, LAURA CAME TO ME FINALLY AND SHE AND I WORKED ON IT, AND I FIGURED OUT THE WAY SHE WAS GOING. 
          AND IT WAS PERFECTLY LEGAL. 
          I HAD TO SIGN THE PAPERWORK. 
          THEN, UH, THE DISTRICT CLERK DID THE SAME THING. 
          IT WAS LEGAL, IT WAS FOLLOW POLICY. 
          I HAD TO APPROVE IT. 
          BUT WE WANTED YOU TO KNOW 
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YOU HAD A LOOPHOLE IN THE POLICY. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I FIXED. 
          THAT'S WHERE I MEETING. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK, UH, WE DIDN'T AGREE ON THIS THE OTHER DAY, BUT RIGHT NOW WE STILL HAVE BUDGETED THE 600 THAT THIS SAME GROUP OF EMPLOYEES WOULD RECEIVE. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS TODAY. 
          WILL THEY BE INCLUDED? YES, SIR. 
          IN RECEIVING THE 600. 
          SO THEY GOT ONE RAISING, ANOTHER RAISING. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY HOW IT WORKS OUT UNDER THE EXISTING POLICY. 
          I SAY BASICALLY THAT IS HOW IT WORKS OUT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY. 
          AND THEY STATE WITHIN, WITHIN BUDGET, THEY'RE SAYING WITHIN THEIR BUDGET. 
          SO I THINK WHAT LAURA IS SAYING IS, YES, PEOPLE GOT A RAISE, BUT THEY GOT A CHANGE IN JOB DUTY, GOT DIFFERENT JOB DESCRIPTION, THEY GOT A DIFFERENT JOB DESCRIPTION, SHE MOVED PEOPLE UP. 
          THAT TOOK ON MORE RESPONSIBILITY. 
          IT TOOK ON DUTIES. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY STAYED IN THE SAME POSITION AND SAME JOB DUTIES AND JUST GOT MORE MONEY. 
          IT'S LIKE THEY, WHAT YOU USED TO DESCRIBE AS A SPARE STEP, IT'S LIKE SOMEONE MOVES UP TO FOREMAN FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          THEY GET THE MONEY THAT GOES WITH BEING INFORMED POSITION. 
          SOMEONE MOVES UP TO A DIFFERENT POSITION. 
          MR. DISTRICT COURT, COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, THEY GET THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES TO THAT SOMEBODY LEFT AND DUTIES WERE DISTRIBUTING RESPONSIBILITIES WERE INCREASING AMONG OTHER POSITIONS. 
          SHE STAIR STEPPED, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON'S GOING TO DO THIS SO THAT THEY GET THIS, THEY GET MORE MONEY, BUT THE MONEY ATTACHES TO THE POSITION. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE THE POSITION ITSELF GOT RAISE, GOT RAISE. 
          AND SO IT, YOU HAVE TO, TO BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          AND SO, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOOPHOLE, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY A LOOPHOLE. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY REORGANIZING DEPARTMENTS AND POSITIONS AND ADDING TWO POSITIONS SO THAT THE MONEY FOLLOWS THE POSITION. 
          IT'S NOT A LOOPHOLE OF GETTING EXTRA MONEY FOR PEOPLE ON THEIR JOB DUTIES STAY THE SAME AND THEIR POSITIONS STAY THE SAME. 
          AND SO, WHAT I THINK IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING, UM, I THOUGHT THAT AS A RESULT OF SALARY COMMITTEE, THAT WE BROUGHT THE PRESENTATION THROUGH COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, WHERE IT WAS A $600 RAISE FOR EVERY COUNTY EMPLOYEE ACROSS THE SUPREME COURT. 
          AND WE DIDN'T TIE ANY CONDITIONS TO IT. 
          WE DIDN'T SAY, YOU GET A RAISE, YOU DON'T GET THIS. 
          OR THIS IS JUST FOR FOLKS THAT DIDN'T GET ANY INCREASE IN PAY OR POSITION OR ANYTHING. 
          WE DIDN'T TIE ANYTHING TO IT AND WE JUST, WE JUST SAID $600 ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AND I, I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROVED AND, AND VOTED ON. 
          AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT IS WHEN YOU'VE GOT OVER 500, YOU'VE GOTTA APPLY THAT POLICY EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          OR YOU MAKE A LOT OF EXTRA WORK FOR REBECCA AND I , YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LEGAL ISSUES THAT CAN COME UP. 
          EQUAL TREATMENT, A LOT OF DISCRIMINATION. 
          YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTS ARE MADE UP OF DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE. 
          AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT PANDORA'S BOX. 
          SO YOU'VE GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. 
          AND IF I MISSPOKE ON THAT POLICY, BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY TOO, KAREN, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, YOUR DA, CURRENT DA TOOK THAT POSITION, SHE HAD SOME NEEDS OF SOME POSITIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE BUMPED UP, UH, TAKEN ON ADDITIONAL DUTIES WHEN SHE WENT IN AND REORGANIZED AND REASSIGNED THINGS. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME SECRETARIES THAT IF SHE, THEY WENT TO SCHOOL AND GOT THEIR CERTIFICATION AS THEIR PARALEGAL, THEY GOT A LITTLE BOOST UP AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY JUDGE WOOD TOLD HER SHE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING TO RECLASSIFY THOSE, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. 
          SO THEY, THEY, SOME OF 'EM WENT TO THE SCHOOL AND GOT THEIR CERTIFICATION AND THEN THEY GOT THEIR LITTLE BUMP UP AND RE SO CHANGE THE STOCK JOB DUTIES AND TIMES. 
          ONCE THE, WHEN WE VOTE ON THIS BUDGET, THEN IT COMES OFFICIAL, THE SALARIES ARE THEN SET FOR THE YEAR. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DECIDE ON. 
          I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF HERE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET TODAY. 
          WE'VE GOTTA DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO ACCEPT EACH OF THOSE ITEMIZED SALARIES, UM, ALONGSIDE THAT BUDGET. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, YOU NEED TO LET EACH OF YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS KNOW OR CONTINUE ADOPTING THAT BROAD BASE SALARY LINE ITEM. 
          EITHER WAY, THE FUNDING IS BEING SPENT SPECIFICALLY 
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FOR SALARIES, BUT ONE, UM, HAS MORE DISCRETION THAN THE OTHER DOES NOT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S PURELY THE PREFERENCE OF THE COUNTY. 
          AND IT'S USUALLY BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HISTORICALLY DONE IN THE PAST. 
          KAREN AND I'VE LOOKED AT BUDGETS, UH, SIMILAR SIZE COUNTIES. 
          THEY DO IT USUALLY IN THAT BROAD BASE CATEGORY, BUT SOME ITEMIZE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, GIMME WHAT DO YOU MEAN BROAD BASED CATEGORY? LOOK AT YOUR GENERAL BUDGET NOW HOW YOU HAVE IT WHERE IT SAYS LIKE ALL OF YOUR CLERKS ARE IN ONE SALARY ITEM, THAT'S A LINE ITEM. 
          NOTHING THAT'S BROADLY, THAT'S LINE ITEM. 
          YOU CAN NARROW IT BY DOING EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S SALARY. 
          BUT A LOT OF THE LARGER COUNTIES DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE CAN'T HAVE SO MANY OF 'EM. 
          YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE PAINT ON ANYBODY. 
          AND IT MAKES, THAT'S REALLY CUMBERSOME. 
          YOU GOTTA HAVE A MINIMUM ON EVERY SINGLE, IF YOU GOT 540 EMPLOYEE CHANGE. 
          YEAH, IT'D BE LIKE YOU JUST HAD 300 A, IT'D BE LIKE A, A LINE ITEM FOR THOSE CLERK SALARIES THAT IS OPPOSED TO THE DO A LINE ITEM. 
          YOU'D HAVE LIKE CLERK A, CLERK B, CLERK C, YOU'D HAVE A SPECIFIC NAME AND THE SALARY THEY GOT AND, AND THE COMMISSION'S COURT WOULD BE DECIDING THAT AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO NO LONGER HIRE SOMEBODY IN, DO ANOTHER JOB AND PAY THEM LESS OR MORE. 
          TAKE THAT EXTRA MONEY AND MOVE ONE OF YOUR PEOPLE. 
          YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          I, I DON'T, I WANT Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO DO JUST WHAT YOU DID. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO GO BEYOND YOUR BUDGET. 
          I THINK Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT I MEAN THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO. 
          WE WANT TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO GO PAST IF THAT LINE 50 THOUSAND'S, 50,000, THAT'S IT. 
          SO NEXT YEAR IS STILL 50,000. 
          IF WE GET TO CHANGE IT, THEN WE'LL CHANGE IT IN THE BUDGET AND MAKE IT MORE FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          THE ONLY, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE AND THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FIVE POINT MORE YEARS, THERE'S GONNA BE LONGEVITY INCREASE. 
          SO IT'S GOING HAPPEN. 
          IT'S GOING CHANGE. 
          THAT'S NOT DIFFICULT. 
          YOU GO TO THE AUDITOR AND SAY, WHAT, HOW MUCH CAN I GIVE YOU? I'M JUST SAYING BOTTOM LINE IS GONNA CHANGE OVER HERE. 
          YEAH, IT'S GOING UP. 
          NO Y'ALL, YOU KNOW THIS, THIS SHEET YOU GOT RIGHT HERE. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS NO SIR, IF THEY COME BACK, IF THEY COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY I WANT TO GIVE THEM 200, YOU SAY YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM 200 BECAUSE NEXT YEAR THEY'RE WANT GIVE YOU A BOOK THIS MUCH. 
          SO YOU WANT GIVE THEM 180 7 FOR THE BASE, NOT 200. 
          THIS RIGHT HERE, I CREATED THIS YEARS AND YEARS AGO AND I JUST CHANGED MY FORMULAS AND STUFF. 
          WHEN I CAME HERE, I HAD NO IDEA HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAD, WHAT WAS REALLY BUDGETED BECAUSE THE BUDGET WASN'T BEING FOLLOWED. 
          AND I DID THIS JUST TO GIVE US A RANGE OF WHAT EMPLOYEES COST US WITH ALL THE BENEFITS AND STUFF TO HELP WITH THE INSURANCE TO HELP LOOKING AT THE RETIREMENT RATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA CREATE THIS KIND OF ISSUE. 
          I'M SORRY I SHOULDN'T EVEN DONE IT. 
          AND WE JUST HAD TO GUESS AND I THINK IT'S BEEN HELPFUL. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT NAILS DOWN TO WHAT YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE EMPLOYEE IS, IT SHOWS WHAT ALL THE THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE NEED AND APPRECIATE. 
          YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING TO THE UH, FRINGE BENEFITS. 
          OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW THAT $600 IS STILL IN THE BUDGET THAT EVERYBODY TOLD EVERYBODY. 
          I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. 
          SO EVERYBODY IS THE SAME PAGE. 
          OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I NEED CLARIFICATION ON IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I DID INCLUDE THE 600 WHILE INSTRUC KW TO DO THAT. 
          UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, IF THE EMPLOYEE HAD BEEN HERE APRIL 1ST, DOES THAT STILL GONNA STAND? AND WE STARTED THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THE REASON WE DID WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A FEELING THAT IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY HIRED ON AUGUST THE FIRST AND THEY, YOU CAN'T RAISE, THEY RAISE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE RAISE MIGHT BE SIX MONTH AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAD BEEN HERE FOR A FULL 12 MONTH. 
          SO WE WENT BACK AN ARBITRARY SIX MONTHS I BELIEVE IS WHAT WE DECIDED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE, THAT'S THE POLICY THAT WE FOLLOW. 
          AND IS THAT, WELL IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN STONE, SO, BUT I DO KNOW THAT UH, COUNTY COURT WHILE JUDGE HAD CAME BECAUSE THE PERSON HE HIRED DIDN'T GET THE 1200 AND WE WIND UP HAVING TO GO FIND THE 1200 PLUS THE DIFFERENCE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS IF SOMEBODY COMES TO Y'ALL LATER, REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE DID THAT? SO I'M JUST ASKING. 
          SO WHEN WE PUT THIS IN, WE 
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GOT IT RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE ALL KIND ON THE SAME. 
          DIDN'T THEY JUST MOVE FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING WHEN THEY IN THE LIBRARY OR SOMETHING? THEY MOVED IN AND SHE WAS PARTTIME. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER PARTTIME. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. 
          THEY WERE HERE PARTTIME. 
          THEY IT'S KIND OF AN EXCEPTION. 
          THEY'VE BEEN WITH JUST DEPART. 
          NO, THEY RENEW. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          ONE CAVEAT TO THAT IS THOUGH, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE MENTION IS THE CASE, THEY GET THAT 600 FOR THE POSITION FOR THE EMPLOYEE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S OVER HALF THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE. 
          WE'RE STILL NOT, WE'RE STILL NOT DOING THE UNIFORMIZING YOU POSITION. 
          NO MATTER WHEN THEY START, THEY GET IT. 
          BUT THAT'S BY STATUTE. 
          THAT'S BY STATUTE. 
          YES. 
          I JUST WANT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE UNDERSTAND WE'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE ASK US THAT QUESTION, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE COURT WAS AWARE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, PUT THAT IN POLICY EVIDENTLY BY STATUTE WOULDN'T ION. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA GO BACK AND TRY TO START KIND OF WRAPPING THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, UH, BACK ON THE UH, IT DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, AND I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT WE UH, INCREASE THE, UH, THREE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, TO $50,000. 
          UH, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF THE ONE, UH, INDIVIDUAL CHARGE LEFT. 
          AND I DUNNO WHAT TO DO THAT I DON'T HAVE A CERTIFICATION. 
          I THINK PART OF THAT IS THE CERTIFICATIONS. 
          NO, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT HE HAS 2.2 YEARS AND I HE DOES A GREAT JOB. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT HIS, HIS UH, HE DID GET THE CERTIFICATION BUT HE TWO YEARS AND UH, HE DOES NOT HAVE A DEGREE CERTIFICATION. 
          AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME THAT, SO, AND I I, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER IN MIND. 
          ANYBODY HAVE A NUMBER IN MIND? 10 YOU HAVE TO PUT IN UH, ALL STUFF. 
          SO YOU GONNA FIGURE IT OUT. 
          SO HE'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA, HE MAY ONLY GET 2,500 ON THAT, BUT HE GETS REST DOWN WITH THE INSURANCE AND ALL THAT. 
          SO 18,000, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S NOT GONNA COST, NOT GONNA COST ACTUALLY JUST THE 50,000 UP FOR UH, LAURA, IT'S GONNA COST A TWO 200 AND THAT'S WITH SOCIAL SECURITY RETIREMENT. 
          THAT'S LONGEVITY. 
          WELL THAT'S JUST WHAT THOSE TWO, THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE THIRD ONE. 
          THAT'S NOT, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING WELL PATRICK WOULD BE 600 600, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT TAKING 600 INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE THOSE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT AND THE SIX ON THE OTHER TWO WOULD GO AWAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THIS IS M INTO IT. 
          YES. 
          UH, WELL I WAS TOLD TAKE THE FULL 10,000 GET PACKAGE LEFT AFTER DO THE 9,206 OR SEVEN TOTAL SIX. 
          NO, I, I'M SAYING IS I'VE ALREADY TAKEN THE SIX INTO ACCOUNT WITH THAT NINE 200 AND SO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO EXCEED THIS 10,000 THAT HE'S WILLING TO RIGHT. 
          EVERYTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S A CONCERN. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT, WHEN YOU DO THAT 
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BOARDROOM WARRANT BOTH HAD LONGEVITY. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THAT QUITE A BIT. 
          NO, BECAUSE THE YEAR OF SERVICE, THAT'S GONNA BE $675 ON TOP OF THAT SIX ROUGHLY. 
          ROUGHLY. 
          THAT'S JUST ROUGHLY NUMBERS, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS COME OUT TO BE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL INCREASE OF 600, 6, 7, 5 TO THE BASE SCIENTIFIC WAY TO DO IT. 
          BUT THAT'S, IF YOU DON'T, YOUR CAMERA CAN'T WORK EITHER. 
          YOU WON'T HAVE, YOUR COMPUTER WILL ONLY GET CERTAIN MESSAGE. 
          WHAT YOU SAY? I SAID IF THEY DON'T GIVE 'EM THAT RAISE, I SAID THEIR CAMERAS WON'T WORK EITHER AND THEY WON'T HAVE WHAT I'M BUYING. 
          THEY'LL ONLY GET CERTAIN EMAILS AND Y'ALL ARE GIVEN IT THERE 600 ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT EACH PERSON, IT'S INCLUDED IN THERE THAT ARE GETTING RAISED, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR 50,000. 
          SO WE DELETE THE SIX IN THERE AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE 5,600. 
          IT WOULD BE A FLAT. 
          SO NOW THEY'RE GONNA BECOME EXEMPT. 
          WELL, DOESN'T ANYTHING ABOVE 40, 47,000, DON'T THEY STILL NEED TO BE, WE THEY TO BE YEAH, IT IS THE POSITION, NOT NOT THE PERSON, BUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT AND UH, TIFFANY, UH, THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS 47 6 SOMETHING OR 7 4 7 6 4 7 4 7. 
          ANYTHING ABOVE THAT IS NOT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER THEY'RE EXEMPT OR NON. 
          WELL THE DIFFERENCE EXEMPT, NON-EXEMPT IS THE, THE, THE NON-EXEMPT DOESN'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN LEGALLY LEGAL JUST LIKE THIS WHAT TO DO. 
          DID YOU HAVE YEAH, UH OH YOU DID DIFFERENCE WHETHER OR NOT THEY COMP, WHETHER THEY PUNCH A CLOCK, YOU COULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PUNCH IN A CLOCK REGARDLESS OF, BUT THE ACCUMULATION OF COMP TIME, THAT'S THE BIG DEAL. 
          I THINK WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WAS NOT PUNCHING IN AND CORRECT. 
          I DUNNO THAT LAST TIME. 
          LAST TIME, YEAH LAST TIME THAT HAPPENED. 
          THAT PERSON, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT JUDGE USED ME AS AN EXCUSE AND THAT PERSON RETIRED, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS NEW ONE. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WELL THERE WAS ONE, WELL OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME EXEMPT EMPLOYEES DON'T COME CLOSE FOR 40 HOURS A WEEK AND WE'RE PAYING FOR A FULL 40 HOURS A WEEK I ASSUME IS WE ONLY HAVE ONE, MAYBE TWO EXEMPT. 
          EVERYONE NEED ONE OR STEVE MAY EVERYONE ELSE BE NON, WE ONLY HAVE TO PUT IN 40 HOURS A WEEK. 
          THAT'S ALL AT LEAST 40. 
          SO AT MINIMUM, MINIMUM WE'RE TALKING WORKING HOURS NOW RANDY NO MORE. 
          THEY'RE ALL WORK. 
          NO MORE CRAIGLIST. 
          EBAY. 
          IN FACT MAN WORK YOU SEE HIM DO OVER  WE'LL BE VISITING FRIDAY AFTERNOON. 
          COME ON. 
          THAT AIN'T ABOUT BEEN THERE A TIME. 
          NO. 
          HOW BUSY YOU CAN'T GET IN. 
          YEAH, HE'S LOCKED UP LIKE FOUR KN AND THERE MAY BE AND HE'S GOT A GUN I'M NOT AWARE OF. 
          WELL THERE IS, AND TIFFANY, HELP ME ON THIS IF YOU CAN REMEMBER. 
          THERE IS A, UH, UH, DEFINITELY A, UH, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR THAT SAYS COURT COORDINATORS OR EXEMPT. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THEIR OPINION. 
          I'M LOOKING, I'VE GOT IT HERE SOMEPLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S THEIR OPINION THAT THEY SHOULD BE EXAMINED. 
          WHO, WHOSE OPINION? IT'S EITHER DOL OR UH, FOR AG OPINION. 
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WAS THAT OPINION OR MANDATED IT'S OPINION? I THOUGHT IT WE DON'T AGREE. 
          SO THEY'RE ARE ALSO, THEY'RE NOT, UM, THERE'S SEPARATE STATUTE THAT APPLIES TO COURT COORDINATORS AND CERTAIN OTHER POSITIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE GENERAL FUNDS THEY PAID FOR OTHER FUNDS. 
          SO YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE DO WITH THE COURT COORDINATOR. 
          WHAT FUNDS ARE PAID, NOT THEY'RE ALSO PAYING FOR SOME THE STATE FUNDS. 
          BUT I KNOW WE'RE, I WAS WONDERING OUR OURS, OURS MAY NOT BE. 
          OURS MAY NOT, BUT THERE'S STILL UNDER THE STATUTE THAT I YEAH. 
          CHECK WE WOULDN'T HAVE IS PAID OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND. 
          BUT THE SPECIFIC SECTION TALKS ABOUT HOW TO DETERMINE THEIR FUNDING AND, AND SOMETIMES, I MEAN I KNOW THIS AG OPINION I'M LOOKING AT HERE TALKS ABOUT, UM, DAS, THEIR ASSISTANCE, PROBATION DEPARTMENT, COUNTY AUDITORS PURCHASING EACH THEIR EMPLOYEES JUDGES OF ALL COURTS OF RECORD AS BEING SPECIAL CUTOUTS WHERE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS REGARDING THE PAY AND OF THAT. 
          SO, AND I KNOW THAT ONE ALSO ABOUT THE ORDER SPECIFICALLY, IT SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE DOING IT ACROSS THE BOARD, THIS WHERE YOU GET 20 SALARY POLICIES BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT THAT POLICY CANNOT IMPACT, ESPECIALLY CAR WITHOUT POSITION WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          'CAUSE THOSE HAVE ANOTHER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND RULES THAT ARE, ARE TIED. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF STRINGS IN SOME DEPARTMENTS. 
          I MEAN, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT AUDITOR OBVIOUSLY HOW THAT'S SET UP HER THE SAME WAY, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND THE EXACT ON COURT THIS COURT REPORTER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          CERTAIN PAY OR GENERAL COUNTY MAY NOT BE. 
          WE WE WHAT YOU MEAN WE DID LAST WEEK? YES. 
          YOU REFERRING DISTRICT. 
          I DON'T THINK, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COURT REPORT CAN'T BE RAISED MORE THAN 10%. 
          10% COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE CAN'T BE OVER. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WITHOUT, THEY CAN BE, THEY CAN BE, BUT Y'ALL HAVE TO, TO PROVE ABOVE THOSE PERCENTAGES. 
          SO THERE'S CERTAIN POSITIONS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE THOSE YES, TECHNICALLY CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
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BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A RULE OR STATUTE. 
          WHAT I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S FROM DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. 
          I'VE ASKED FIND WHERE COURT COORDINATORS OR CLASSIFIED AS OKAY. 
          SAID LAST WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO BEYOND THOSE WE HAVE SHOULD NOT BE, I WE HAD THE, STEVE WAS NON EXEMPT. 
          HE'S NOW EXEMPT. 
          WHAT, WHAT DOES IT DO FOR YOU TO THE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPT ARE, UH, STEVEN, COY, COY, UH, DESIREE. 
          COOL. 
          UH, MAY SMITH, WHO IS A COORDINATOR, JENNIFER, UH, , WHO IS A COURT COORDINATOR, UH, CYNTHIA WOOD, WHO IS JUDGE'S COORDINATOR. 
          AND UH, LISA IS, SHE'S, SHE, SHE WAS ON EXEMPT BUT SINCE HER SALARY HAS BEEN INCREASED 55, WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH ABOUT 5,000 THERE AND UH, AS WELL. 
          WELL, I MEAN ALL THE COURT COORDINATORS RANDY HERE, UH, STEVE AND DESIREE. 
          SO RANDY, YEAH. 
          AND I, I CHECKED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES ON HOW THEY WERE DOING AND MOST OF THEIR FIRE MARSH FULLTIME FIRE AND JUST ABOUT ALL. 
          SO THAT COUNT. 
          SPECIAL QUESTION. 
          I DO, UH, RANDY, YOU WANT COME UP JUST A SECOND. 
          I HAD INCLUDED, UH, AN ADDITIONAL TWO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND RANDY HAD PREPARED A DOCUMENT I DISMISS, I HAVE HERE GO YEAH. 
          SHOWING HOW THE, UH, INCREASED WORK IS GOING UP THREE DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND I'D ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE BACK PAGE. 
          UH, RANDY, UH, YOU STARTED THIS LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO? UH, SO AT THAT TIME WE HAD ONE FIRE MARSH AND THEN TWO DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL AND NOW THERE'S UH, RANDY THREE DEPART AND LOOK THE ACTIVITY PART, THE PUBLIC WORKS PART ACTIVITY. 
          IF I HAVE THOSE, THAT'S WHAT I, UH, MIGHT NOT, I THINK I SOMETHING COMMISSIONER A COUPLE SETS OF THIS PLEASE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT WAS THE LAST, 
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WE'RE SAVING ALMOST 10, BUT IT DOESN'T, A DIFFERENT SHEET WE IN THE FIRE YEAH. 
          INSPECTION. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON UH, ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL, BUT I, I ASKED THAT WE INCLUDE TWO MORE PEOPLE THAN PUBLIC WORKS ALSO. 
          ALSO. 
          YES. 
          USING THAT ACTUALLY MORE THAN 30 HOURS PER WEEK RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT FULL TIME. 
          ELIMINATE THAT AS MUCH. 
          I WOULD TO NOT HAVE ALL IN CASE RANDY, HOPEFULLY SHE WANTS YOU TO SIT DOWN. 
          I BEG PARDON? GETTING A REAL GOOD ME THIS DOCUMENT BACK YOU'LL LOOK THE REVENUE, UH, THE REVENUE HAS GONE UP DRAMATICALLY. 
          SOME OF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, WE NOT CHARGING ANYTHING. 
          WE TALK ABOUT CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, I PLAN ON THAT AGENDA TO GO TO SOME AMOUNT 25 OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. 
          WHAT WE'RE CHARGING CUT YOU. 
          I DID NOT, JUST AS AN INTRODUCTION LAST YEAR, I GOT STARTED FROM TWO YEARS AGO. 
          SO YOU STARTED WHEN? TWO YEARS AGO. 
          2014? YES, SIR. 
          STARTED, UH, SEPTEMBER, 2014. 
          OKAY. 
          ASSUMING THOSE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF FEE WE WERE COLLECTING, SANITATION FEES. 
          YES. 
          YES SIR. 
          THESE, THIS IS A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. 
          THOSE THREE DOCUMENTS THAT EACH TIME YOU HAVE TO REDO YOUR CONTRACT WITH THE PROVIDER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE ARE FOUR DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE TO COME ACROSS OUR OFFICE THROUGH THE PORTION YEAR THAT WE HAVE SERVICES, BUT OTHER COUNTIES WORK. 
          IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE SANITATION FEES HAVE INCREASED AND HOW ARE THEY, UH, HOW MUCH ARE THEY? THEY VARY FROM RESIDENTIAL IN VERSUS COMMERCIAL, BUT UH, RESIDENTIAL IS 2060 AND COMMERCIAL IS 16TH. 
          THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST MOVED THE INSPECTION. 
          AND THE, THAT'S WHEN THE, A NEW SYSTEM COMES IN, RIGHT? A HOME BEING BUILT, THEY NEED TO PUT A BRAND NEW SYSTEM IN GROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND UH, THAT INVOLVES THE PLAN REVIEWS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS TCQ REQUIREMENTS. 
          THERE'S DISTANCES FROM PROPERTY DESIGN AND CERTAIN LIMITATIONS PROPERTY, UH, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM ON ONE ACRE, RIGHT. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE REVIEW THAT AND THEN DO AT AT LEAST TWO INSPECTIONS DURING THE INSTALLATION PROCESS. 
          USUALLY TWO. 
          BUT SOMETIMES THE SANITATION FEES HAVE GONE UP, UH, SINCE 2013, OVER A LITTLE OVER HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          PART OF THAT IS DUE TO THE GROWTH I SUPPOSE. 
          YES SIR. 
          PART OF IS DUE TO GROWTH. 
          UH, I KNOW PART OF THAT IS THE ONE INSPECTOR THAT I HAVE NOW VERSUS THE ONE THAT HE IS DOWN FIELD CONSTANTLY ACTUALLY FINDING SYSTEMS THAT ARE BOOT LED SYSTEMS. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF THEM THIS YEAR THAT WE CAUGHT IN THE PROCESS OF BEING INSTALLED AND UH, WE'VE ALSO CAUGHT A COUPLE OF NEW VENDORS THAT HAVE UH, 
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NOT BEEN PAPERWORK THEY PUT IN THE SYSTEM WOULD'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THOSE VENDORS TO COURT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          TELL ME THE NUMBERS FROM HOMES CHARGE THREE SIX HOME AND SIX 10 FOR COMMERCIAL. 
          HOW DOES THAT COMPARE SIZE? PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ABOUT THE SAME. 
          WE'RE PROBABLY, WELL WE'RE ALWAYS LESS IN ROCKWELL COUNTY. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE ABOUT THE SAME. 
          ALICE I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE, BUT NOT MUCH. 
          YES. 
          MOW GARY. 
          THEN THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT RENEWALS THAT WE 10 THAT HAS INCREASED NOW TO 78. 
          THE WAY YOU'RE EXPECT TO AROUND 78,000. 
          THOSE ARE THE PROJECTIONS ON CURRENT BUDGET. 
          WE, THE OVERALL, THE DEPARTMENT FIRST YEAR WE HAD, PRIOR TO ME COMING, OUR REVENUES WERE 45% AFTER YEAR ONE. 
          WE PERCENT OBJECTIONS THEN THE GRANT, WE DID GET A GRANT AT ONE TIME, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT GRANT. 
          THAT GRANT WENT WITH THE GIS MAPPING 9 1 1 AVENUE GAUGE. 
          SO THESE TWO NEW POSITIONS WORKS AND, AND THE VEHICLE IS GONNA BE 120,000 7 68. 
          I HAVE THEM ALL UP. 
          WE ACTUALLY SAVED UH, ALMOST 3000 ON THE VEHICLE FROM, THERE'S TWO VEHICLES YOU'RE WANTING TO BUY PICKUP FOR A FIRE, MARSH, F150 AND YOU PAY FOR HALF OF THAT OUT THE FIRE MARSH HALF THAT. 
          YES. 
          FIRE. 
          AND THE OTHER VEHICLE IS GOING BE LIKE A SMALL SU SMALL SU USE. 
          THAT'S THE WORKS WORKS. 
          IT'LL COME OUT THE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          WE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEBODY BROUGHT THIS TO MY DAY CAFE CARS, WE SAVE MUCH MORE MONEY AND WE LOOKED AT THAT POSSIBILITY. 
          IS THERE A, A KNOWLEDGE I PLACE WHERE THAT WOULD BE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE GETTING TEN TWO OF PRECINCT. 
          I CALL THAT I JUST DO ANY RESEARCH SATURDAY CAN GET IT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMING TIME ON. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, AS FAR AS THE MAJOR PAYMENTS ON THE VEHICLE, MONTHLY, QUARTERLY, ANNUAL PAYMENTS, I, WE GET AWAY FROM THAT. 
          I THINK WE PAY CASH. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR EXPENDITURE? EXPI, THAT'S GONNA BE THE OPERATING HOUSE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. 
          THE PERSONNEL 27. 
          JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE SITUATION. 
          WHAT IF WE PUT UH, ENVIRONMENTAL FORCE ENFORCEMENT BACK IN THE DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT DOESN'T 
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MATTER. 
          I KNOW WHAT THEIR FERENCE IS. 
          THEY WOULD PREFER TO OUT THE YEAH. 
          AND THAT SHERIFF'S, YOU RECALL THEY WERE BEING USED FOR OTHER, EVEN WHEN THEY WERE UNDER THEY COURTHOUSE HAVE NOT COURT SECURITY SINCE THEY'VE BEEN UNDER, I I'M, THEY BEEN UNDER MY DIRECTION WOULD'VE BEEN JANUARY ONE. 
          I DUNNO THAT PRETTY CONVENIENT FOR HIM TO BE SHIFTED, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAD THE MURDER TRIALS AND STUFF GOING ON. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WAS PRETTY CONVENIENT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          IT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE TO REFER TO THEM. 
          UH, SOMETIMES THEY WOULD BE OUT NOTICING SOMETHING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN BOB AND WE GO BACK TO THEM AND FIND OUT HAD THEY MADE CONTACT, WHAT, WHAT THE PERSON WAS TOLD AND SO FORTH, WHAT THEY COULD NOT AND VICE VERSA. 
          WERE OUT ON ISSUES AND UH, WERE SOMETHING'S JUST TERRIBLE. 
          TAKE A LOOK AT ONE EXAMPLE. 
          GENERAL, YOUR CAR, HALF, HALF THE PICKUP TRUCK COME FROM THE FIRE CODE DETERMINED BY JOHN AND YOUR HONOR, DETERMINED THOSE FEES COULD BE LEGALLY DRAWN FROM THE FIRE CODE FOR THAT VEHICLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND HERE'S, SO HOW MUCH IS THE VEHICLE FOR PUBLIC WORKS? HE'S GOT $49,080 OR ONE? NO SIR. 
          THAT THAT SECOND SHEET. 
          THAT A V SIX PACKAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          I TO SAVE A LITTLE MONEY, BUT 56 ACTUALLY COST MORE THAN THE 25. 
          FIVE FIVE ON ONE VEHICLE. 
          27 ACRES. 
          27 8 ON THE NOT VEHICLES. 
          NO SIR. 
          ONLY IT'S ONLY TWO VEHICLE. 
          AND AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT GOES, I WON'T SAY IT'S PROBABLE. 
          I WILL SAY IT'S POSSIBLE AT THIS POINT. 
          WE ARE, UH, QUITE POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER GRANT THIS YEAR TO OBTAIN A FULLY FUNDED VEHICLE FOR THAT OFFICE. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S, I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. 
          IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, S SO 13 NINE ON, I MEAN WE'RE GOING ALL OVER THE PAGE. 
          I NEED, I NEED SPECIFICS SO I CAN GET THIS IN THE BUDGET. 
          BARB. 
          27 8 IS GONNA BE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          VEHICLE. 
          WELL, LET ME MENTION WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AS YOU KNOW, TOMORROW I'M GOING APPEAR FOR THE TEXAS AND DEFENSE COMMISSION AND REQUEST WAS MY FAULT. 
          WE NOT USE PART OF THAT MONEY FOR THE, THESE VEHICLES OUTTA THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND NOT HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THEM NEXT YEAR. 
          AND THEY WILL. 
          SO I NOT YEAR. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THE, THAT WE'RE GONNA GET FROM THE VEHICLE, IT GOES BACK INTO THE IT'S A REIMBURSABLE, IT'S A REIMBURSABLE GRANT OR THAT THAT'S NOT, WE HAVE ACCOUNT MONEY STATE, SO SHOULD 
          [02:00:15]
USE RIGHT NOW THOSE FUNDS ARE NEGATIVE BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD THOSE EXPENDITURES OVER THE LAST YEAR AND SO THAT MONEY WOULD GO BACK TO REIMBURSE THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE'VE SEEN. 
          AND SO THE MONEY THAT CAME OUTTA THOSE SEPARATE FUNDS, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN REPORTED. 
          THEY, THEY WERE REPORTED THE GENERAL FUND WHEN WE FIRST STARTED AND THEN WE WERE, AND WE, WE, WE WERE SUGGESTED TO MOVE THOSE INTO A SEPARATE FUND ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING BY ITSELF. 
          AND SO SINCE THAT POINT HAS BEEN ACTUALLY REPORTED AND SO THE, INTO THE GENERAL FUND, EITHER CAPITAL ORDER. 
          SO WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM FOR GRANTS AND THEN IF ANYTHING WAS LEFT OVER THERE WAS A TRANSFER FROM THE GRANT THAT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED, CORRECT? WELL, NO, WE RECEIVED SOME GRANTS FROM THE CAPITAL WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED. 
          RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING THAT RIGHT NOW, WHEN IT SAID THOSE FUNDS ARE SITTING LATER BECAUSE WE HAD, IF WE HAD REPORTED THEM INTO THE GENERAL FUND, IT'D BE THE SAME THING. 
          THEY HAVE TO REIMBURSE THOSE LINES FOR SPENDING. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN GET US THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA GET REIMBURSED, WE CAN PROBABLY RUN AND SEE IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANYTHING THAT CAN'T BE PUT IN THE GENERAL FUND BUT WITHOUT IT CAN'T TELL. 
          WELL, AND WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL TOMORROW. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL ANYWAY, IF WE DON'T GET THE MONEY, WE'LL HAVE TO NEXT YEAR. 
          SO. 
          WELL I WAS GONNA, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SAME VEHICLE, THE SAME USE, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET PROPOSAL, WHICH I COPY HERE, 20,000 THOUSAND IS THAT GET SOMEWHERE ELSE? UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY THIS IS THE, IS THAT IT? OPTION ONE TWO WOULD BE THREE'S $7,000. 
          COMMISSIONER, I I'M NOT HEARING YOU. 
          WHAT TALKING ABOUT ON HIS PICK UP FOR THE FIRES TO PAY FOR HALF OF IT HIS EXTRA COST 7,300 EQUIPMENT. 
          WELL WHY CAN'T HE USE A FLASHLIGHT? WHY DOES HE HAVE TO HAVE SPECIAL YEAH, ABOUT GOING THROUGH THE, I'M JUST SAYING I, BUT THE, THE PUBLIC YOU COULD, WE COULD RESEARCH IT SEVEN MILES ROAD PUBLIC REQUEST FIVE THE VEHICLE, YOU CAN UR FIVE MILES ROAD 12 MILES A ROAD. 
          WE AGREE TO GIVE ALL THIS TO HIM THAT YOU'RE GONNA CUT 
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A ROAD BRIDGE. 
          I MEAN THAT PUTTING IT IN TERMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, I JUST, I I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH THE FIRE MARSH POSITION. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE IN THERE. 
          WE HAVE THREE FIREARM MARSH, ONE PART-TIME FIELD. 
          WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE FULL-TIME. 
          WHO YOU. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT A I SO THAT'S THREE. 
          BUT AS FAR AS DUTIES THAT ARE OUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE CITIES KEEP ENLARGING, ENLARGING IN THE COUNTY AREA, KEEP DRINKING. 
          SO WE SHOULD BE GOING OPPOSITE DIRECTION INSTEAD. 
          I'M TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THE BIGGER THE AND THE BIGGER THE CITY, THE LESS THAT WE HAVE. 
          HOW MANY ACTUAL UH, UH, NEW BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY WE DO THAT. 
          THAT'S IN ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BE SIMILAR TO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN INCREASE IN BUSINESSES. 
          UH, SOME AREN'T. 
          MOST OF THEM ARE THE SMALLER BUSINESSES. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, IN PRELIMINARY, THEY'VE HAD, UH, WE HAVE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THIS MORNING JUST OUTSIDE OF ANOTHER IS PROBABLY NEXT CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND PLANS BEING REVIEWED. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE THE DENTIST AND DOCTOR'S OFFICE. 
          THE OTHER ONE THAT COME ACROSS OUR TABLE PROBABLY NEXT WEEK WHEN, WHEN THE ARCHITECT PLANS AREN'T ALL THE FIRE APPARATUS INCLUDED IN PLANS, THE ENGINEERS COME DRAW UNFORTUNATELY NOT PLUMBING. 
          AND THEN, UH, SOMETIMES THEY'LL MAKE REFERENCE EXIT LIGHTS, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO, OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU REVIEW THE PLAN, MAKE SURE, REVIEW THE, MAKE SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INSTALLED THAT WAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF LINE MARKUPS ON THE PLANS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT I CODE PROPOSAL WITH THE ALARM SYSTEMS EXIT. 
          I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT IT, TELL THEM ALL THIS WON'T PASS. 
          YOU GOTTA HAVE THAT AND JUST SEND IT BACK TO THEM. 
          I MEAN YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE'S FORM. 
          NO USED TO SIT THERE AND TELL THEM YOU DON'T HAVE EXIT SIGNS HERE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE SQUARE FEET. 
          IT DEPENDS UPON THE OCCUPANCY. 
          YOU GET SLAPPED AND THEN THE PUBLIC WORKS POSITION. 
          I MEAN I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THE EXTRA FIRE MARSHAL POSITION. 
          PUBLIC WORKS. 
          WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT RIGHT NOW? THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET, I BELIEVE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE THREE POSITIONS. 
          SO THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET, I BELIEVE THE, IN THE BUDGET. 
          YEAH, I THINK ONE POWER MARSHAL AND THE ONE'S NOT RIGHT NOW IN EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER. 
          I I THINK WE NEED ONE FOR PRECINCT, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T GENERATE, KEEPS THE COUNTY, THAT'S ALL IT DOES. 
          I, I KNOW THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE IS CALLED OUT FOR EVERY ILLEGAL BURN AND THEN YOU INVESTIGATE EVERY, UH, EVERY STRUCTURE, FIRE, EVERY STRUCTURE, FIRE VEHICLE FIRE, SOME GRASS FIRE ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINES, DAMAGE LAND, SMALL GRASS FARM ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, MAY MANY STRUCTURE FIRE. 
          WE IN THE COUNTY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I'M CURIOUS. 
          I IT WOULD BE, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. 
          NO SIR. 
          IT WOULD BE IN THE HUNDRED. 
          I CAN HAVE A REPORT GENERATED FOR EACH 
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BURNED OVER A HUNDRED. 
          OH, YES SIR. 
          AND THAT'S ALL JUST IN THE, NOT THE CITY, CORRECT? YES. 
          I'LL HAVE I, OKAY, SO THE PUBLIC WORKS POSITION, YOU NEED MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET, SO IF YOU WANT TAKE THEM OUT, I THINK THEY'RE NEEDED. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE COURTS FIND A BUDGET PUBLIC, THEY COME OUT. 
          I MEAN THEY, THEY PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT, THEY'RE COMING OUT PAID PRE, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          CAN WE RUN SOME OBJECTIONS SOMEWHAT 20? WELL HE SAYS HE'S GONNA GAIN 30,000 NEXT YEAR. 
          THAT'S AT THE CURRENT, WELL, I 20, 20 50, I MEAN 2 50, 2 20 TO TWO 30 PEOPLE TWO YEARS AGO WE, NEGATIVE TWO YEARS AGO WE A, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FEES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT THE FEES IN, I TOOK THE FEES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE ALL THE FEES OUT OF THIS ONE, PUT THAT ONE BACK HERE IN THE , WE WOULD BE  AND ADD THESE, ADD BACK THE TWO INVOICE THAT YOU AT THE SAME TIME. 
          BUT I ACTUALLY WASN'T EVEN LOOKING TO MAKE A PROFIT. 
          I DIDN'T, WE'RE NOT TO MAKE PROFIT CITIZENS. 
          IT'S ABOUT PAYING SERVICES, SITTING AROUND IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT JUST OUT THERE PLAYING ON THOSE OR CHESS OR I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE COME DOWN, WRITE OUT PLEASE COME BY AND SEE WHAT WE DO. 
          BADGES DON'T WORK THERE. 
          THAT'S BOBBY. 
          HE LET ME IN AND I FOUND, WELL ANYWAY, WE, WELL OF COURSE WE'RE I 42 GAMES, BUT OTHER, OTHER, I MEAN WHENEVER WE GET READY TO VOTE ON, ON THE BUDGET, I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAVE TO VOTE. 
          THEY'RE CONSCIOUS. 
          SO, UH, WE DON'T IRON SOME OF THIS OUT BETWEEN VOTE. 
          UH, MORE INFORMATION NUMBERS. 
          WHAT DO YOU DO? WELL, PROJECTION, WHAT WE'LL DO IS RAISE FEES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE HOUSE FIRES THAT YOU INVESTIGATE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD BE A QUARTER MILLION. 
          PUT THAT PLUS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, UH, TRY TO GET OUTTA HERE? UH, JUDGE. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING TO CLARIFY YOUR EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT LOCAL COORDINATORS, UM, SECTION 74 1 FOR GOVERNMENT CODE GIVES YOU THE, UM, SPECIFICS OF THE JUDGES RECOMMEND A REASONABLE COMPENSATION FOR THEIR COURT COORDINATORS AND THEN THAT'S APPROVED BY THE COURT. 
          AND THEN TIFFANY IS CORRECT THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR DID ISSUE AN OPINION SAYING THAT COURT COORDINATORS ARE CONSIDERED EXEMPT STATUS UNDER, 
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WELL THAT'S ANYBODY WILL MAKE COPIES AND SEND TO YOU IF YOU WANT. 
          OH, IS THE ONE IS ISSUED BY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT GOT US INTO ALL THIS DISCUSSION TO AS FAR AS IF THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY, IF THEY'RE A SUPERVISOR OR THEY'RE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE MAKING ABOVE THE REQUIRE. 
          DO YOU HAVE MORE SPECIFICS ON THAT? I DO GET, I HAVE, UM, I'M NOT YET, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, I MEAN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, QUALIFICATIONS, IF WE'RE A PRIVATE, WE SOMEBODY OVERTIME YOU DON'T HAVE TO QUALIFY ANYBODY AS AS EXEMPT. 
          UM, YOU HAVE TO, WHAT IF YOU'RE WORKING MORE THAN EIGHT HOURS A WEEK IN EXEMPT, THEN YOU DON'T EARN ANY COMP TIME. 
          YOU'RE NOT EXEMPT. 
          IT'S JUST THEY'RE NOT SO, SO SEE IT REALLY BE, BUT BUT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES TO BE ON THE RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S DIFFERENT GUIDELINES THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BY IN ORDER TO, THIS IS WHAT PUT OUT ON THIS WAS PUT OUT. 
          AND IT DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING ALL I THE DETAILS. 
          BUT I'M GONNA, AND COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU PROBATION. 
          BASICALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EXEMPT AND NON-EXEMPT IS WHO IS EXEMPT FROM GUIDELINES LAW. 
          OKAY, SO EXEMPT PART OF IT'S PAID OVERTIME AND EMPLOYEES WHO ARE QUALIFIED, EMPLOYEES WHO ARE QUALIFIED EXEMPT AS EXEMPT ARE EXEMPT FROM OVERTIME REGULATIONS, MEANING MINIMUM WAGE LAWS. 
          WHEREAS NON-EXEMPT EMPLOYEES MUST BE PAID FOR EVERY HOUR OF OVERTIME THAT THEY WORK. 
          AND, AND WHETHER AN EMPLOYEE IS EXEMPT OR NON-EXEMPT, THERE ARE CATEGORIES OF EMPLOYEES UNDER THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT THAT SET FORTH WHETHER CERTAIN EMPLOYEE NON-EXEMPT AND THEN, UM, AND THEN SOMETIMES EXEMPT AND NON-EXEMPT STATUS HAS TO DO WITH TITLES AND SALARIES AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T BASED ON THOSE CATEGORIES IN THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, AND THAT'S PUT OUT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. 
          SO I THINK PROBABLY JUDGE WHAT YOU'RE GIVING ANGIE A COPY GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AS TO HOW THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT APPLIES TO WHY THE COUNTY POSITION. 
          AND SO, BUT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHERE, WHERE IT'S KIND OF COMING FROM? IS IT IT'S A COMBINATION STANDARD DEBT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND, AND TRADITIONALLY MOST SALARY EMPLOYEES ARE EXEMPT. 
          MEANING WE'VE ALL HAD, YOU KNOW, WORK WHERE YOU WORK ATON OF HOURS AND IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE NOT KIND OF, YOU NOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          KIND OF, A LOT OF SALARIES ARE EXEMPT AND CERTAIN PROFESSIONS ARE, ARE EXEMPT. 
          LAWYERS ARE ALWAYS EXEMPT. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY HOURS YOU WORK POSITION. 
          A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSITIONS ARE EXEMPT. 
          SOME POSITIONS ARE NON-EXEMPT. 
          AND, AND I THINK, UM, LIKE WITH THE COURT REPORTERS, I THINK THAT THEY'RE NON EXEMPT BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF, UM, TRANSCRIPT AND, AND MAYBE ADDITIONAL WORK FOR, UM, THAT CAN, THAT THEY GET COMP TIME. 
          THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE KIND 
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OF WHAT THEIR USUAL JOB DUTIES ARE FOR THE COURT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT DEPENDS ON THE CATEGORY AND, UM, AND OTHERS JUST DEPENDS OF JOB DUTY. 
          AND SO THERE IS SOME DISCRETION THE COUNTY CAN HAVE BASED ON, UM, CATEGORY OF WORKER. 
          IF A PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXEMPT BY CATEGORY, SOMETIMES THE COUNTY CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AS TO WHETHER TO MAKE THE EMPLOYEES EXEMPT OR NON-EXEMPT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE, WITH WHERE THE SALARY RAISED, EITHER WHERE THE, WHERE THE SALARY RAISED OR WHO WOULD BE EXEMPT, NON-EXEMPT. 
          THAT REALLY THE FINANCIAL ISSUE AS TO, YOU KNOW, DO THEY, WHAT'S THE BEST POSITION FOR THE COUNTY? WHAT'S THE BEST POSITION FOR EMPLOYEE MORALE? YOU FIND THAT COMBINATION OF UM, THE MAGIC NUMBER. 
          SOME PEOPLE WANNA BE EXEMPT SO THEY CAN MAKE A LOT OVERTIME OR LOT OF COMP TIME AND NOT GET, YOU KNOW, INCREASE IN TAXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OTHER PEOPLE PREFER TO BE NON-EXEMPT. 
          DOES THAT HELP A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST, IT CONFUSING. 
          IT SEEMS MUCH EXPLAINED. 
          ANSWER YES TO ALL THE QUESTIONS AND, AND NOT BE WITHIN ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          JUDGE. 
          UH, WE WELCOME, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING ON YOUR HEART. 
          UM, NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          WE'RE WIND IT UP. 
          YOU WIND IT UP. 
          YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXEMPT, NON-EXEMPT, SOMEBODY TO COME LONG LAND. 
          I MEAN IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME NOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM. 
          MINE WAS MORE RELATED TO JUST OUR SALARIES. 
          Y'ALL UNFORTUNATELY THE DISTRICT JUDGE, WE, WE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT $600. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. 
          THAT IT'S BEEN THAT'S IT SHOWED UP IN THE PAPER BUT IT UH, UH BUT WE WERE JUST KIDDING. 
          YEAH,  JUST KIDDING. 
          BUT IT WAS SO YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION. 
          WE ACTUALLY PUT 6,000 IN PAPER. 
          DID YOU? GOOD. 
          SO I'M SURE BUT WE, WE, WE, THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          WE HAVE TO THE STATE MAKE SURE THAT WAS YES AND WHAT THAT DID. 
          NO, COME ON. 
          AND LEMME NOW I HOPE I GAVE JUDGE WOOD THE KIND OF SHEET ON THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE. 
          UM, AND WHAT THAT DOES, THAT STILL PUTS US BELOW THE MEDIA OF ALL THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES. 
          UH, MY, MY COURT CAME FROM HENDERSON COUNTY COURT ACTUALLY CUT THE WAY JUDGE EXPLAINED IT TO ME IS WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IS PRIOR YEARS AT ALL. 
          OF COURSE BECAUSE OF THAT WERE SUBSTANTIALLY BELOW. 
          UM, WHAT WE DID IS WE, DALLAS COUNTY WAS AT 90 SOMETHING THOUSAND. 
          WE THREW THAT ONE OUT. 
          VANTA COUNTY WAS THE LOWEST ONE. 
          WE THREW THAT ONE, WE TOOK THE MEDIAN OF THOSE AND IT STILL BELIEVE THE MEDIAN WAS 60 AND UH, WE STILL WELL BELOW THE MEDIAN VALUES. 
          UM, AND I, WE PREPARED GRAPH AND EVERYTHING I'LL BE HAPPY TO TO OF WHAT THEY, UH, PRESENTED. 
          SO MAKE THIS TERRIBLE TO ROCK. 
          I KNOW WE'RE NOT WANT IT COMPARE TO DALLAS BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT IN GENERAL BUT SIMILAR COUNTIES AROUND US THAT ARE SIMILAR SIZE ON THAT. 
          WELL EXACTLY. 
          AND I DO THINK THERE'S A QUALITY OF WHY'S. 
          SO, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO COMPARE TO OUR DISPUTE WHAT DOES, AND OF COURSE WE'VE HAD FOUR ORDERS WHEN I HAD PRIOR TO TAKING OFFICE, SHE LEFT US OF COURSE TO TAKE THE JOB. 
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UM, AND WHAT WE DID WAS MAKE THEM NON ON THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S ONE COORDINATOR AND THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THEY UH, WORK PRETTY GOOD DISCRE NUMBER HOURS AND I SURE WE HAVE UM, AND I, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEIR HOURS BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I, I KNOW JUDGE CHITTY AND MYSELF HAVE ALWAYS TOLD THEM ABOUT THAT THEY SHOULD DO REPORTING THEIR HOURS OF NORMAL TIME. 
          I KNOW I SPEAK FOR MYSELF WHEN SHE GOES OVER THAT. 
          I DUNNO IF SHE PUTS IT IN OR NOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          BUT SHE STAYS THERE WHENEVER COURT IS STILL IN. 
          SHE AND UH, I GUESS WE MISUNDERSTOOD THE LAST ONE OF BOTH JENNIFER AND KATIE, UM, ARE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST NOT THEY TOLD US THAT NOT CORRECT THEY BE REPORTING. 
          SO YEAH, MISCOMMUNICATION, EVERYBODY ELSE BUT OF COURSE FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW THEY WEREN'T GETTING PAID ANYMORE. 
          SO THEY YEARS AGO IT MAYBE TIFFANY AND I DON'T PARTICIPATING IN THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL. 
          JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE YEAH, I MEAN I'M EITHER WAY WON'T DO IT. 
          UM, SO I THINK WHAT WE BAD THING IS I DON'T THINK THIS IS A ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHAT STATEMENT. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S UH, IT WOULD ONLY BE TIMES LIKE LAST WEEK WHEN I'M TRIAL AND DOCK. 
          THOSE WERE WEEKS OVER THAT TIME. 
          UM, SHE HAS TO BE WORKING MORE THAN THE REPORTER DOES JUST BECAUSE SHE FACT THAT SHE'S NOT THERE JUST WHEN WE'RE IN COURT REPORTER ONLY THING I REALLY CARE ABOUT IS SHE'S COURT DOWN THAT. 
          WELL I THINK IT'S JUST MORE MAKING SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WHAT THE RULE AND I THINK THAT WOULD'VE COMMUNICATED THAT'S AFTER TALKING TO JENNIFER AND I THINK JUDGE EVEN SAID THAT, THAT WAS HIS UNDERSTANDING. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE UH, DISMISS? WE'VE BEEN IN THERE ABOUT THREE HOUR, WELL 30 HOURS. 
          SO ARE WE LEAVING ALL THE, WAS IT 10 OR 11 NEW POSITION THAT THE DISPATCH IN? WE GOT ANY SIGNED AGREEMENTS THAT THE TALKING, TALKING? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          I, I THINK THAT WE GOT HIS PROSPECT. 
          WE DO. 
          WE'RE HAVING A MEETING THIS THURSDAY, THIS FRIDAY AFTERNOON CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE OF SMALL ISSUES. 
          SOME OF THE SMALLER CITIES. 
          CITIES WE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          AND SO, AND THE ARE MEETING ALSO IS TO, WE NEED SORT OF A PROCESS TO GO BACK AND FOLLOW UP AND, AND COLLECT THESE SIGNATURES THAT UM, PEOPLE THAT WE BELIEVE ARE GOING TO ENTER INTO THAT AGREEMENT REALLY HAVEN'T SIGNED OFF. 
          AND SO WE JUST KIND OF NEED A FOLLOW UP TO SOME OF THE EARLIER INITIATIVES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE SIGNATURES, WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE ON BOARD COMING UP IN OCTOBER AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL HAVE A AFTER FRIDAY AFTERNOON. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THERE'S A PRACTICAL TIMELINE ISSUE TOO THOUGH BECAUSE THE INTER LOCAL IS THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD AND SO BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN 
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SOME RIES OR CHANGES THE LITTLE MUNICIPALITIES ARE WAITING FOR THE COUNTY TO FINALLY CON UH, CONFIRM THIS IS THE FINALIZED DRAFT SO THAT WE'RE ALL ADOPTING AND SIGNING THE SAME ONE. 
          SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A NETWORKING NEW COMMUNICATION THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          BUT KAREN AND I ANTICIPATE THAT THE COURT TOOK PLACE IT ON OUR DOCKET IN SEPTEMBER FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT. 
          SO I MEAN COMING UP VERY QUICKLY, I THINK GOING, THEY DEFINITELY HEARD IT ON THEIR AGENDAS AT LEAST TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          ONLY ONE I'M NOT SURE OF IS TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND I THINK CAROL IS, THEY'RE DOING, AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING I'M HEARING, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY OVER SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE'LL SEE SURE. 
          THAT SURE. 
          IMPACT BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOTION.
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