* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:22] ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY, AND WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU. THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE, UH, HOFFMAN COUNTY AFFAIRS COURT. UH, TODAY IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER THE NINTH. UH, AND WE WILL BEGIN, UH, HERE. JUST A MOMENT. WE'RE GOING TO DISPENSE WITH THE, UH, OUR NORMAL, UH, OPENING PROCESS AND MOVE RIGHT INTO A SPECIAL MEETING AND ENTER INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, ENTER INTO THIS, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. I MOTION. COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. NEXT MOTION, COMMISSIONER SHANE. SECOND'S. MOTION. ALL IN FAVORS. AYE. AYE. NEXT ITEM IS TO, UH, UH, GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 16 20 17. UH, LEAVE. YOU HAVE COPIES OF THAT. WE ALSO PROVIDED COPIES, UH, SUMMARY COPY, UH, TO THE, UH, UH, AUDIENCE THAT'S HERE TODAY. IT'S ON THE TABLE, UH, THERE. AND, UH, I WOULD ALSO SAY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK BECAUSE THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A PUBLIC HEARING, IS TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. SO, BUT ON THE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU WISH TO, UH, SPEAK FOR THE COURT, UH, YOU'LL NEED TO FILL OUT A, UH, COMPLETE A, UH, REQUEST FORM, UH, THAT OUR, THAT OUR COUNTY HALL COUNTY CLERK AS MS. USE, I'LL GIVE YOU OUT. AND THEY'RE ON THE PAPER RIGHT THERE. SO SHE'LL, UH, DO TO ADDRESS THE COURT. SO, LEMME UH, GO OVER THE, UH, THE, UH, COUNTY, UH, BUDGET, THE PROPOSED COUNTY BUDGET FOR 2017, THAT REMAINDER OF 2016. OUR NEW BUDGET HERE STARTS SEPTEMBER 1ST, I'M SORRY, OCTOBER 1ST, AND WE'LL CONCLUDE ON SEPTEMBER 30, UH, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2017. UH, IF YOU WILL TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE. WE'LL SEE, UH, THE TAX RATE CALCULATION AND HOW THAT IS. YOU'LL SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE, UH, GENERAL FUND AS WELL AS THE GOLD BRIDGE FUND ON PAGE TWO AND THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. UH, AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE, UH, SOME OTHER INFORMATION. OUR TAX RATE, UH, IS PROPOSED TO BE 5 8 8 7, WHICH IS A 1.25, NOT PER BUT 1.25 INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT TAX RATE. AND THAT IS BROUGHT ON, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL BONDS THAT WE JUST SOLD, UH, BACK, UH, ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO. AND THOSE, THE FIRST PAYMENT, THERE'S ANOTHER HAND OUT ON THE TABLE THERE, UH, THAT, UH, YOU ARE, UH, GOING TO LOOK AT. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE THE, UH, PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR 20, IT HAS THE PROPOSED, IT'S A ONE PAGER, IT HAS A PROPOSED TAX RATE OF, UH, 0.43 AND FOUR FIVE, UH, AND A ROAD BRIDGE TAX RATE OF, UH, 0.0920. THE TWO, UH, MAIN PART PORTIONS OF THE BUDGET, UH, REMAIN THE SAME. THEY THERE, UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN HOW IT'S DISTRIBUTED, BUT THE, UH, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION BUDGET AND THE ROAD BRIDGE BUDGET, UH, SO WE'LL SAY AT 0.53 CENTS. AND THEN AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE ON THE INTEREST IN SINKING THE INTEREST IN SINKING FUND IS THE ROAD, IS THE, UH, BOND FUND. AND IT DOES SHOW THAT 1.25 CENTS INCREASE, UH, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE BONDS THAT WERE SOLD, UH, AND THAT WERE VOTED ON BY THE PUBLIC BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2013. UH, SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION ON THAT. I WILL TURN THEM OVER TO PAGE, UH, UH, THREE NOW AND GIVE YOU, THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE GENERAL FRONT. UH, WE HAVE ALL, ALL THE COMMISSION AND I THINK IT'S, UH, DATE SUMMARY ON THE WEBSITE. IF NOT, IT'LL BE, UH, LATER THAN TODAY AS WE ADOPT THE BUDGET. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, UH, PROPOSAL BUDGET, UH, YOU HAVE PAGE FOUR, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT REVENUES, UH, PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR WILL BE 39 30 9,317,000 8 96. [00:05:01] THAT'S MADE UP TAXES, UH, MIXED TAXES, UH, FOR VARIOUS FEES THAT WE EARN, UH, THAT ARE PAID FOR ACCOUNTING, UH, INTEREST EARNINGS, OTHER REVENUES AND SALE ASSETS SHOULD WE SELL PROPERTY DURING THE YEAR. AND THEN, UH, AT THE, UH, BOTTOM OF THAT, YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, EXPENDITURES AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS ARE DIVIDED, UH, DOWN BY DEPARTMENTS. YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, UH, HOW THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS HAVE CHANGED. AND, UH, I WOULD ALSO, UH, POINT OUT TO YOU THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE ACTUAL AMOUNT FOR, UH, THE YEAR 2014. UH, THAT'S THE AUDITED FISCAL AMOUNT. AND THEN THE AUDITED, UH, FISCAL AMOUNT FOR, UH, UH, 2015 IS IN THE SECOND COLUMN. YOU HAVE, UH, THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, THE ONE THAT WE'RE JUST CONCLUDING, AND THE THIRD COLUMN, THE AMENDED BUDGET. AND IT PRIMARILY, UH, HAS CHANGED SOME SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE YEAR OF DATE WHERE WE ARE, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, END OF THE LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE, 8 31, UH, WHENEVER IT WAS, UH, PRINT. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, UH, KW AND THEN THE PROPOSED NEW BUDGET. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE PROPOSED NEW BUDGET HAS EXPENDITURES OF 39 MILLION 3 1 7 AND, UH, 8 96 9 3 7 8 9 6. UH, THE NEXT PAGE GIVES YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF THE GROSS REVENUES FOR PRECINCT. UH, IT IS A LINE ALONG THE, UH, UH, SAME, UH, UH, STRUCTURE THAT THE PRECEDING YOU HAVE, PRECINCT ONE, UH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH PRECINCT FOUR. SO GO INTO THOSE PRECINCTS AND ALSO ALL WAY THROUGH PRECINCT, UH, FOUR. AND, UH, SO THAT'S THE OVERVIEW THAT I HAVE. UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME? NOW'S THE TIME. WE'D ASK YOU TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE HERE AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR PURPOSE. MORNING KEITH, STEVE W FOR PRECINCT FREE. I GOING TO TALK TO Y'ALL ABOUT, UH, THE BUDGET CUTS OUTTA MY OFFICE FOR MY PART-TIME POSITION. I WAS INFORMED THAT THE COURT WAS, UH, ADVISED THAT I FLAT REFUSE TO TAKE DEPOSITS FOR ANOTHER OFFICE THAT DID NOT CONTAIN THE, THAT IS NOT CORRECT. THERE COULD HAVE MISCOMMUNICATION OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. UH, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT CAME BETWEEN MYSELF, THE COUNTY JUDGE, AND THE TAX ASSESSOR WHERE I WAS TOLD THAT THE ADVISED THAT IT WAS THE JOB OF THE CONSTABLE TO DO THIS, NOT THE JOB, THE CONSTABLE TO DO THIS. I STATED IN THE EMAIL, AT NO TIME THAT I REFUSED TO THIS, I SAID I DID NOT HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO IT AT A SPECIFIC TIME AND A SPECIFIC DATE OR EVERY DAY, A SPECIFIC TIME. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HELPING WITH THE TAX DEPOSIT. WE HELP WITH THE TAX DEPOSIT. IF THIS PARTTIME POSITION GETS CUT, THAT'S GONNA, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER SERVICES AND OTHER AGENCIES IN THIS COUNTY THAT ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THAT. I'VE ALREADY SPOKE WITH THE DA'S OFFICE AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE EVERY ON FRIDAYS THEY DO PRETRIAL. THERE'S 50, 60, 70 PEOPLE IN OUR COURTROOM. OKAY? WE DON'T HAVE TO WORK THOSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FUNCTION. WE'RE IN THERE EVERY DAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ADA'S OKAY. OKAY. NOT GONNA HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO THAT. LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT ONE FULL TIME. I'M ON PART, SO BUSIEST PRECINCT IN THE COUNTY. OKAY? AS OF FRIDAY, WE HAVE SERVED 538 PAPERS. I VENTURE TO SAY THAT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN THE OTHER THREE PRECINCTS. OKAY? WE'LL HELP WITH THE TAX. WE'RE NOT, WE'LL, WE'LL, SO I'M ASKING FOR THE COURT RECONSIDERATION ON BRINGING MY PART TO THIS. YOU HAVE OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COURT? UH, NOW, UH, CONCERNING, YES MA'AM. A QUESTION. I DUNNO IF IT CAN BE ANSWERED OR NOT. MY NAME IS LINDA PAGE. [00:10:03] I, I'M JUST NOW SEEING THE BUDGET AND SO I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT THE ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGETS FOR ALL PRECINCTS. WHEN I LOOK AT PRECINCTS FORM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE JUST DONE A QUICK SCAN, SO THIS IS NOT A RESEARCH THING AT ALL, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE, UH, UNENDED, THE ADOPTED BUDGET IN 2016 AND THE AMENDED BUDGET IN 2016 IN PRECINCT FOUR, UH, IT LOOKS AS IF THERE WAS A $600,000 CUT IN THAT BUDGET. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BRIEF BUDGETS FOR THE OTHER PRECINCTS. UH, PRECINCT THREE HAD A SLIGHT BUT MAYBE $10,000. I'M JUST ESTIMATING IF I GO HERE PRECINCT ON PAGE 73, I CAN ADDRESS THAT. GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, UH, MS. PAGE. OKAY. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE ONE ITEM THAT'S, UH, AT THE TOP IN THE REVENUES OF 24 DASH 9 9 9 9 DASH 3 9 4. DO YOU SEE THAT? WHAT THAT NUMBER AGAIN? OH, 24 DASH 9 9 9 DASH 3 9 4? YES. ALRIGHT, YOU'LL LOOK OVER, THE ADOPTED BUDGET WAS 6 67. 7 0 7. THAT'S CON CONSIDERED AN ESTIMATING CARRY OVER BALANCE. AND THE COMMISSIONER, WHEN HE CAME INTO OFFICE, BOUGHT EXTRA ROAD MATERIAL AND HE HAD SOME BAD EQUIPMENT HE HAD TO REPLACE. HE SPENT THAT, WE DIDN'T KNOW IT, SO WE HAD TO ADJUST HIS BUDGET AFTER THE FACT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS REDUCED. SO IT'S ACTUALLY EXPENDITURES THAT OCCURRED IN 20 14 15. YES. DOES THAT ANSWER IT? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD. DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, CONCERNING THE, UH, WHETHER ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME ABOVE NOW THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UNLESS YOU WISH TO MR. JOHNSON, UNLESS YOU WISH TO SPEAK CONCERNING THE BUDGET, I THINK YOU SIGNED UP FOR I NINE. YES, SIR. BUT YOU CAN SIGN UP NOW AS WELL OR YOU CAN SPEAK NOW BUDGET IF YOU WISH. WELL, NOT COULD, YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE OTHER, UH, COMMENTS, UH, CONCERNING THE PROPOSAL, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS CONCERNING THE PROPOSAL? BUT, AND ONE MORE TIME. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE WISH TO COMMENT ON THE PROPOSAL BUDGET? ALRIGHT, IF NOT, I'LL LET A MOTION TO EXIT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER BACK INTO THE SPECIAL MEETING. I, MR. PHILLIPS MAKES THAT MOTION ALL ACCEPT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UH, MOTION CARRIED. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER SETTING SALARIES, EXPENSES, AND OTHER ALLOWANCES OF ALL ELECTED, UH, COUNTY AND PRECINCT OFFICERS. UH, THERE WAS AN ADVERTISEMENT PLAN PLUS THE, AS YOU HAVE THE, UH, DETAILED, UH, UH, SALARY INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED TO YOU IS ALSO IN THE BUDGET, UH, UH, FOR THE CITIZENS THAT WISH TO LOOK FOR THAT. UH, BUT TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL, WE DO NEED A MOTION, UH, TO SET THE SALARIES, EXPENSES, AND OTHER ALLOWANCES OF ALL COUNTY ELECTED COUNTY AND PRECINCT OFFICES. SO, DO I HAVE ANY MOTION OR CONSIDERATION ON THAT? A MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN? DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM, UH, MR. PHILLIPS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. UH, THOSE OPPOSED? WOULD LIKE SIGNED A MOTION CARRIED? VERY MUCH. UH, NOW WE WILL, UH, DISCUSS THE, THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE. AND THAT IS A MOTION TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2016 AND 17 AND TAKE A RECORD VOTE. SO, UH, GENTLEMEN, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ON THE, UH, PROPOSED 1516, I'M SORRY, 16, 17 YEARS BUDGET? [00:15:02] I MAKE A MOTION. HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, EXCUSE ME, TO, UH, ADOPT THE BUDGET. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER ALLEN. SECOND. SOME MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT PUT ON RECORD THAT I'M NOT GONNA VOTE TO ADOPT THIS BUDGET FOR ALL THE SALARY DISPARITIES THAT OCCURRED IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. I THINK IT'S SEVERELY UNFAIR FOR ALL THE OTHER COUNTY EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN A HANDFUL OF MAINLY JUDGE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE, UH, RECEIVED SUCH HUGE EXPENSES. THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY THAT, UH, OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE TO COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. THIS WILL BE A RECORD VOTE. SO I'LL ASK YOU TO VOTE INDIVIDUALLY. WE'LL START, UH, WELL, WE'LL START FOR PRECINCT ONE. I THINK YOU'VE BEEN, UH, NAY. PRECINCT TWO? YES. ALRIGHT. COUNTY JUDGE. , NAY, NAY. MR. SHANE VOTES NAY? YES. COMMISSIONER, UH, ALLEN VOTES? UH, YES OR AYE. SO THE MOTION S WITH A THREE, TWO VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING A TAX RATE. I'M SORRY, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RATIFYING THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, UH, INCREASE REFLECTED IN FISCAL YEAR 20 16 20 17 BUDGET. AND THIS WILL BE ANOTHER RECORD VOTE. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE ADOPTED PROPOSED 20 16 17, UH, TAX RATE. SO COMMISSIONER MAKES THAT MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. COMMISSIONER ALLEN. SECOND, DID WE HAVE OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE FISCAL YEAR? UH, 1617 TAX RECORD. RAT RATIFYING, RATIFYING RATIFYING THE BUDGET. AND I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING AHEAD MYSELF. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE RATIFYING IS WHAT WE ADOPTING. SO ALL IN FAVOR SAY I I I CHOSE OPPOSED. OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING ADOPT THE TAX RATES. YES. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING TAX RATE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 20 16 20 17. THEY HAVE A MOTION IN UH, ADOPTING THE TAX RATE. WHAT YOU SAY? COMMISSIONER ALLEN. I MEAN COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES A MOTION. MR. SECOND MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, YEAH WE DO HAVE A MOTION THAT'S ACTUALLY LISTED THERE. UH, AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T RULE THAT OUT. YOU HAVE THAT, DO YOU HAVE A COPY? THIS THAT'S A FORMAL. OKAY. I MOVE THE TAX RATE FEE INCREASE BY ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE OF 0.5887, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 2.18% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE MAINTENANCE AND BRIDGE OPERATION. 0.4345 ROAD AND RIDGE FUND MINUS 0.0920 INTEREST IN SEEKING FUND MINUS 0.0622 TOTAL TAX RATE MINUS 0.5887. NO IT'S JUST A DASH. I'M JUST READING WHAT'S ON ON IT. THAT'S THE TAX. THAT'S TAX. SO WE HAVE MOTION BY YOU MAKE THE MOTION. I MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. ONE MORE SENTENCE. YOU GOT ONE MORE LINE TO READ COMMISSIONER. THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. BUT THEN, SORRY COMMISSIONER, THIS TAX RATE WILL BE RAISE MORE TAXES FOR MORE AND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS THAN LAST YEAR'S TAX MAINTENANCE. OKAY. MADE BY COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY A. ALL THOSE AGAINST PASS UNANIMOUSLY. SORRY FOR THAT STUMBLE THAT WE MADE IT THROUGH. OKAY. ALRIGHT, NOW ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WE HAVE A TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CHANGE IN PERSONNEL HANDBOOK. PAGE 12 OF 68TH REGARDING THE REHIRE, UH, FORMER EMPLOYEES, SPECIFICALLY THE REHIRED RETIRED EMPLOYEES [00:20:01] TO STATE THE RETIREE HAS BEEN RETIRED FOR AT LEAST THREE CALENDAR MONTHS. AND UH, TIFFANY, ARE YOU HERE? YES. I BELIEVE YOU PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL UH, INFORMATION AND UH, I'VE GIVEN THAT TO COMMISSIONERS AND THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE UH, LAST UH, COMMISSIONER'S MEETING. AND I THINK WE COME BACK AND UH, CLARIFY A LITTLE MORE. AND SO, UH, YEAH SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ASKED OF ME IS TO UM, CHANGE IT TO LETTING THEM RETURN BACK AS PART-TIME EMPLOYEE ONLY. UM, I JUST THINK THAT BRANDON HAVING THAT STIPULATION IN THE UM, POLICY MANUALS, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD UM, RESTRICT OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM ONLY BRINGING BACK THEIR RETIREES AS PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. SO IT'S JUST GIVES THE MORE LEFT USING MORE FLEXIBILITY BASICALLY WHAT DOES RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S BRING BACK, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S COMMENDING BE ABLE TO DON'T HAVE TO DO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO. I KNOW, BUT I MEAN GIVE FLEXIBILITY THAT THE REASON WE HAD THE JOB, OUR POINT WAS THAT WE COULDN'T, THE JOB WAS, WAS TO KEEP IT UNDER THE 30 HOURS. SO WE WORK OUT THE BENEFITS AND TIFFANY I TALKED ABOUT, WELL WHAT IF THEY WANTED TO WORK WITH ANOTHER DEPARTMENT FULL? RIGHT. RIGHT. MY COMMENT WAS IF THEY THERE BUT THINGS POSITION THEY MORE FOR THE ONLY POINT WE THAN THAT THAT, WELL I THINK IT CHANGES IT SIX MONTHS TO THREE MONTHS. WE WHAT IS YOUR ON THIS ITEM? I MAKE THREE MONTHS. I PREFER THAT. YOUR MOTION. THAT'D BE MY OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLARIFY THAT FOR ME NOW. SO WE'LL KNOW REHIRE A RETIRED EMPLOYEES CAN'T COME BACK TO WORK UNDER 30 HOUR WORK WEEK. UH, PARTTIME AFTER THREE MONTHS AFTER THREE, THREE CALENDAR SEPARATION OF THE CALENDAR. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. IS THAT, DOES THAT WORK? REBECCA? DID I, MY ONLY QUESTION IS THAT TO TIFFANY, IS THAT WHAT YOU CONSIDER A PART-TIME RY POSITION? YES. THAT UNDER . RIGHT. AND THEN IT WOULD BE A PART-TIME TEMPORARY POSITION, WHICH IS A POSITION THAT IS ONLY THE EMPLOYEE CAN ONLY WORK FOR UNDER 12 MONTHS, NO LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS. AFTER THE 12 MONTHS IF HE'S STILL EMPLOYEE, THEN WE HAVE TO OFFER THE BENEFITS. SURE. SO, SO I GUESS I'M, I'M STILL SLIGHTLY CONFUSED BECAUSE SHE HAS A WHOLE SET OF CLASSIFICATIONS THAT SHE USES AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT FORD'S ASKING IS THE SAME CLASSIFICATION THAT SHE HAS. I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW. IT'D BE COMING BACK AS PART-TIME TEMPORARY. IS THAT PART TIME TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE? YEAH. SO YOU'RE SAYING UNDER 12 MONTHS, UNDER 30 HOURS. WELL THAT COULD GET INTO CITY SITUATION FROM 12, 12 MONTHS OR LESS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE POSITIONS, LIKE MY CASE, I NEED AN OPERATOR EMAIL AND WORK EIGHT HOURS THIS WEEK AND 24 NEXT WEEK. BUT UNTIL I CAN POSITION I MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE TWO YEARS. SO I GUESS MY, MY OTHER QUESTION IS TOO IS RIGHT NOW, I MEAN I'M AWARE THAT THERE ARE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE RETIRED AND NOW THEY'RE WORKING IN WHAT YOU CONSIDER AN POSITION THAT'S NOT A PART-TIME WORK. PART-TIME TEMPORARY. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO BECAUSE UM, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT FACT. I MEAN THE COURTS WILL TAKE A SIGNIFICANT LIMIT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. I MEAN IT WOULDN'T BE RETROACTIVE NOW, BUT I'M SAYING I'M AWARE THAT THOSE SITUATIONS COME UP. LEMME GO BACK TO THE, MY MOTION. OKAY. YOU STICK WITH UH, 30 ISLANDS? NOT, NOT FOR 12 MONTHS RETRO. [00:25:03] THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD, I JUST WANTED THREE. THEY, IT SIMPLIFIES PARTTIME 12 MONTHS. THAT WOULD JUST BE DEPARTMENT DECISION. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE, SO IS THE POSITIONS? YES. OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE JUST CHANGING THIS TO THE BRIEF YES. AND THE WAY IT'S POSTED. OKAY. YES MA'AM. OKAY, SO WE'RE CLEAR RESTATED. ALRIGHT. A GOOD IDEA. READ IT BACK. YES. I, I CAN'T READ IT BACK BASED ON THE AGENDA ITEM. THE AGENDA ITEM BASICALLY IS TAKING, THE RETIREE HAS RETIRED FOR AT LEAST THREE CALENDAR MONTHS, WHICH CHANGES IT FROM SIX. AND I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS IT, IT SAID THEY SHALL BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR, SO IT'LL STAY AT OPEN POSITIONS INSTEAD OF PART-TIME TEMPORARY POSITIONS. YES. ALRIGHT, SO THE ONLY THING WE'RE CHANGING IS THREE SIX. YES. OKAY. I I GOT IT. I'M SORRY. SIX SIX. THREE. SIX MONTHS. THREE MONTHS. THREE MONTHS. WELL THE OLD MANUAL SIX MOTION EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA THEN? YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S YOUR MOTION. MOTION. EVERYBODY GOT THAT? ALRIGHT MR. SHANE SECOND. MOTION FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. BOTH OPPOSED. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER NINE IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RE APPOINT RANDY RICHARDS AS THE KAUFMAN COUNTY UH, FIRE MARSHAL FOR A TWO YEAR TERM. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO THAT. THAT'S MR. JOHNSON MICROPHONE. AND UH, COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. BUT HI RONNIE JOHNSON. I LIVE ON FARM ROAD 2 83. FIRE MARSHAL CAME TO MY HOUSE ONE DAY, SAID I NEEDED A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM. HE HAD A COMPLAINT FROM MY HUNT, MY NEIGHBOR OF GETTING WATER ON HIS PROPERTY. SO I CALLED THE PLUMBER AND THEY FIXED IT AND THEN THE FIRE MARSHAL SAYS, UH, YOU HAVE TO GET PEOPLE FROM THIS LIST HERE. THEY'RE CALLING STALLERS. I SAID OKAY. SO THE GUY COME OUT, I GET ONE OF 'EM UP FRONT MONEY, HE NEVER COME BACK. THEN I GOT ANOTHER ONE OFF THE LIST AND HE'D COME OUT AND IT WAS LIKE 6,000. HE WANTED HALF HIS MONEY UP FRONT THE REST WHEN HE GOT THROUGH. SO I PAID IT. AND I BELIEVE MY SYSTEM IS WORSE NOW THAN IT WAS BEFORE. 'CAUSE THERE REALLY WASN'T THAT MUCH WRONG WITH IT. BUT THEY WERE HELD DOWN ON ME DOING BETWEEN THE FINES THAT I GOT FROM THE JUSTICE OF PEACE AND THAT FIRE MARSHAL RIGHT THERE COMING OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS TO COME HERE FROM S ABOUT A SYSTEM. SO I'M HAVING ALL THE MONEY AND IF I'M NOT EVEN BETTER OFF AND I BELIEVE IF I HAD THAT JOB THAT THIS GUY HERE HAS, I LEARNED ABOUT THE SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHAT I GOT SET BY HIM AND THAT JUST A PIECE OVER THERE. BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M ANY BETTER OFF THAN I'M ABOUT $6,000. THAT'S, THANK YOU JUDGE. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. JOHNSON? DID THEY EVER LOCATE THE GUY THAT TOOK YOUR FIRST MOVE? WELL, IT WAS ONLY 150, $200 AND I TOLD THE JUDGE ABOUT IT AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY. I SAID, OKAY, ALRIGHT. AND THEN THEY THREATENED ME IN COURT, WAS GONNA PUT ME IN JAIL IF I DIDN'T HAVE IT FIXED BY FRIDAY. YOU KNOW, IT WAS REAL WET BACK IN THAT TIME. YOU COULDN'T GET A BACKHOE IN THERE. IT WASN'T A MATTER OF MONEY, IT WAS A MATTER OF THE IDEA THAT THEY MADE ME DO SOMETHING THAT HE KNEW VERY WELL. IT WASN'T RIGHT. BUT I DID IT ANYWAY TO GET 'EM OFF MY BACK AND THEY, BOTH OF 'EM KNOW IT. SO. SO YOU HAD A COMPLAINT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS. WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM, SIR? YOU HAD A COMPLAINT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS, WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM? YES, AND I FIXED IT AND IT WAS AN OLD SYSTEM AND THE PLUMBER SAID THE WATER WAS RUNNING IN THE LINES AND THEY WERE FULL. I DIDN'T KNOW IT PROBABLY HAD DONE IT A YEAR OR SO. SO HE PUT, PUT A NEW COMMOD IN AND CHANGED THE LINES. THEY SAID THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH AND THEY TOOK SOME PICTURES OF WHERE THEY SAW THE WATER OVER ON MAC HUNT'S PROPERTY AND THERE WAS, BUT I FIXED IT, BUT THEY WANTED ME TO FIX IT THEIR WAY WITH THEIR INSTALLERS, HOWEVER THEY WANTED TO DO IT. SO THEY TELL YOU HOW MUCH YOU THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE. THEY TELL YOU HOW THEY WANT THE MONEY AND THE COURT [00:30:01] ORDERS YOU TO DO IT AND THEN THEY FIND YOU. SO I DON'T THINK I'D WANT TO EVER DO ANY BUSINESS WITH THAT GUY. YOU KNOW, LEGITIMATE BUSINESS, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR WAY OF DOING THINGS. IF YOU DON'T DO IT, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE. SO I HAD TO GO ALONG WITH IT. IT'S JUST THE IDEA OF IT. WAS THE WATER ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, WAS IT NEAR HIS HOUSE OR? NO, IT WAS OUT IN THE PASTURE. HE'S PROBABLY GOT 200 ACRES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT HE DIDN'T COME TO ME. HE CALLED IT FIRE MARSHAL FRAME AND THEY JUMPED ON ME LIKE A PACK OF MAD DOGS. SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY WERE. THEY COME AFTER MY PROPERTY AND MY SON CALLED ME. HE SAID, DADDY, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUT HERE WALKING AROUND. SO WHEN I GOT OUT THERE, IT WAS HIM AND HIS BUDDIES. THEY WERE WALKING ALL ON MY PROPERTY LOOKING FOR ANYTHING I GUESS, AND I HAD SOME TREE LIMBS I WAS GOING TO BURN. HE SAID, YOU CAN'T BURN THOSE BAGS WITH LEAVES IN THEM. I SAID, WHY NOT? SOME KIND OF TOXIC STUFF THAT GOES, I SAID, OKAY, FINE. I TOOK 'EM OUT AND TOOK 'EM TO DALLAS. I MEAN, HE WAS OUT THERE NITPICKING AND THEN HE MADE THE WRONG DECISION, BUT IT COST ME THE MONEY. HE JUST LOADED HIMSELF BACK UP IN HIS CAR AND TOOK OFF. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO, TO RUN THAT BUSINESS. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. THANKSGIVING JUDGE. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE UH, ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER A REAPPOINTING RANDY RICHARDS AS COFFMAN COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL OR A TWO YEAR TERM TO A, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT AT THE END OF THE, UH, MEETING? CAN? YES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL JUST HOLD UP ON ITEM NUMBER NINE AND GET THAT TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING SO WE DON'T HAVE, KEEP STANDING OUTSIDE AND WAITING ON US. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING RETIRING OFFICER KEITH RAMSEY TO PURCHASE HIS ISSUE, THE HANDGUN FOR $218 AND 33 CENTS, WHICH IS 50% OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE. I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT. I BELIEVE THIS FOLLOWS THE STATUTE AND, UH, I THINK WE'VE, UH, DONE THIS TIME BEFORE, I BELIEVE. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHANE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE, UH, NUMBER 11 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, APPRO RETIRING OFFICER TIM S SPILLMAN TO PURCHASE HIS ISSUE AND THE GUN FOR $218 33 CENTS. UH, WHICH AGAIN, 50% SAME SITUATION AS ABOVE. DO I HAVE A MOTION CONCERN? DOUBT. MOTION. SECOND. COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROSA. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED TO APPROVE. UH, NEXT ITEM IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ENTERING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE INPUT ON THE ADOPTION OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY CLERKS RECORDS ARCHIVES PLAN PURSUANT TO, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT. UH, CODE 1 18 0 2 5. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ENTER INTO PUBLIC HEARING? COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES THAT MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. SHANE. ALL THE PAPERS SAY AYE A AGAINST. OKAY, THIS IS THE TIME IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. UH, ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, ADOPTION OF THE CA COUNTY CLERKS RECORDS. ALL, UH, MS. USED THE, THE RECORDS ARCHIVED PLAN IS, IS A TIME THAT SET ASIDE BY THE LEGISLATURE THAT WE COLLECT $10 ON, ON THE RECORDING OF THE INSTRUMENTS IN OUR PROPERTY. AND WE USE THAT FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE HISTORICAL RECORDS SET BY THE TIME CODES OFFICE. THEY GO BACK TO 1848. THERE'S LOTS AND S AND LOTS OF THEM. THERE IS A SUNSET PROVISION. UM, 2019 I BELIEVE. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COURT TO PLEASE APPROVE OF THE, OF THIS. NO. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, RECORD ARCHIVES PLAN IN THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. COURT'S OFFICE, COUNTY, COUNTY CLERK? WHAT'D I SAY? I'M SORRY. COUNTY CLERK. ONE MORE TIME. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING? MOTION? MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN. SECOND [00:35:01] FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER EXITING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERING BACK INTO A, UH, THE SPECIAL, UH, MOTION. MOTION. UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES A MOTION. SECOND COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECONDS MOTION. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. UH, ITEM NUMBER 15 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COUNTY CLERK'S RECORDS ARCHIVES CLAIM AS, UH, LISTED BY THE COUNTY CLERK CLERK. UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE, UH, MAKES THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE PUBLIC, UH, ITEM NUMBER 16 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNANCES AREA AGENCY ON AGE, UH, ON AGING. UH, AND THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTER INTO EACH YEAR WITH, UH, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT THAT PROVIDES, UH, FUNDING FOR, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, SENIOR CITIZEN AND AGING PROGRAM. WE HAVE ONE ON ACROSS COUNTY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I THINK WE'RE DONE. WE GOT A REALLY GOOD DEAL. 13. THAT FORM MOTION? YES, SIR. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER SHANE. HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. WE WILL GO BACK UP NOW AND, UH, PURSUANT TO, UH, NUMBER, UH, NINE AND THAT IS, UH, PERSONNEL MATTERS, UH, GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0 7 4, UH, I'LL ENTER MOTION, ENTERTAIN MOTION. THAT IS TO JUDGE IF I MAY REALLY QUICK, UH, THE WAY THAT THAT GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION WORKS, THE EMPLOYER, THE OFFICER HAS AN AN OPTION. YES. I'M SORRY FOR AN OPEN, UM, MEETING IF HE WOULD LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD THAT IT CLEAR THAT HE HAS THAT OPTION. I, I THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME THAT, UH, UH, MR. CHRIST, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THIS BE AN OPEN SESSION OR A CLOSED SESSION? I'D LIKE TO BE OPEN. I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REBUT SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS. OKAY. SO BASED ON THAT, THAT IS HIS CHOICE. AND SO WE WILL NOT GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION AT THE REQUEST OF THE PERSON, UH, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, UH, UH, DISCUSSED AND I HAVE ANOTHER NIGHT. SO, UH, UH, RANDY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE TO THE, UH, UH, FRONT AND, UH, MR. PHILLIPS, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER YOU WERE THAT DISCUSS? I DID. I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY ELSE, IT, I JUST MAKE SURE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO KEEP YOU AS FIRE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THAT'S, THAT. JUST WE DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO EVEN TALK ABOUT THE ONLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IS IN THIS MEETING OR IN THE EXECUTIVE MEETING AND DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID, BUT UNDER ANYTHING ELSE, REBUT SOME OF EARLIER, I DUNNO WHAT WE'RE ABOUT AT THIS MOMENT, BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT, UH, THE GENTLEMAN TALKING ABOUT EARLIER? YES. THE, UH, MR. JOHNSON'S CASE GOES BACK NUMEROUS YEARS PRIOR TO I INTO THAT OFFICE. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN WITH THE SAME SITUATION AND THE SAME PAPER, UH, FROM WHAT THE INVESTIGATION WOULD DO. AND THE, WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE, MR. HUNT DID CONTACT ME AND SAID THAT FOR MANY YEARS HE HAD TRIED TO GET SOME THINGS DONE. HE MAKES SOME COMPLAINTS AND NEVER HAD ANY RESOLVED. SO THEY ASKED ME IF I COULD LOOK INTO IT. I TOLD HIM I'M NOT A DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION ON THAT. BUT HE WOULD FURNISH A FORMAL COMPLAINT, THE DESIGN REPRESENTATIVE THAT THEY WOULD INVESTIGATE A CASE THAT WAS DONE. THE INVESTIGATION DESIGNATED WAS THE PUBLIC DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO, UH, MY, AGAIN, THE [00:40:01] DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE, KEN AND THEN, UH, DEPARTMENT. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. YES, SIR. AND THEN WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE, UH, KEN RETIRED SHORTLY THEREAFTER ABOUT SIX MONTHS LATER. AND THEN, UH, WE BROUGHT IN MR. WAYNE MCKINZIE, MR. WAYNE MCKENZIE, THE PERSON THAT INVESTIGATED AND ALL OF MR. JOHNSON, WAYNE THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT COME UP AND TOLD HIM WAS LEGAL CITIZEN. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. THAT WAS ALL DONE BY THE DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE UNDER THIS INVESTIGATION, MULTIPLE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN, UH, DOCUMENTATION WAS DONE, HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS WERE REVIEWED AND MR. JOHNSON HAD JUST NEVER, HE HAD FAILED TO EVER PUT IN A PROPER SYSTEM. HE DID NOT HAVE A SECOND SYSTEM THAT COMPLIES WITH TCEQ AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, WHICH IS A BUCKET BURIED IN GROUND WITH A LADDER WAS HIS FURNACE HOUSE. IT'S ACTUALLY TWO SYSTEMS ON THE SAME PROPERTY. ONE OF 'EM IS THE SHED. AND THIS WAS THE ONE QUESTION, THIS SHOP HAD A OD HERE THIS SYSTEM YES. OD IT HAD, IT HAD A SYSTEM ON, EXCUSE ME, ON TOP, BUT IT WAS JUST AN IMPROPER SYSTEM OR BIG PLACE. HIS HOUSE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT HAD BEEN DONE TO HIS HOUSE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS NOT, MCKENZIE IS THE PERSON THAT MADE CONTACT WITH MR. JOHNSON AND EXPLAINED TO HIM WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO AND EVERYTHING. I WAS NOT THERE ON THAT INITIAL VISIT. UH, THE SECOND OR THE THIRD VISIT THAT MR. MCKENZIE MADE IS WHEN HE HAD ASKED THAT I, BECAUSE HE WAS HAVING HARD TIME EXPLAINING TO MR. JOHNSON OF WHAT HAD TO BE DONE IN ACCORD TO TCEQ AND HE WAS CONCERNED MR. JOHNSON WAS GETTING MORE AND MORE IRATE ABOUT THE SITUATION. AND I TOLD HIM, I GO AND TRY CALM THINGS DOWN AND TRY TO THINGS WHICH I DID. I MCKENZIE SAID, THIS IS CORRECT, WE'RE THE STEWARDS FROM THE TCEU ESTATE AND YOUR SYSTEM'S NOT A PROPER SYSTEM. IT'S NOT THE SYSTEM, IT'S IN FACT OVERFLOWED. THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF AFFLUENT THAT WAS RUNNING OFF OF HIS PROPERTY ONTO TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND SEWAGE AND SO FORTH. SO IT CAME UP TO BE THAT MR. JOHNSON NEVER DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO THE NEXT OPTION IS TO GO AHEAD AND FILE THE CASES. THAT'S WITH ALL THE OTHER CASES THAT WE DID IN THE LAST COURT. THE JUDGE HEARD THE CASE, HE REVIEWED ALL THE EVIDENCE, MADE A DETERMINATION THAT IT WAS IN FACT NOT A PROPER SYSTEM AND THAT THE RIGHT TYPE OF SYSTEM HAD TO BE INSTALLED. AND THAT IS WHEN, UH, MR. JOHNSON TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD HAD A PLUMBER COME OUT AND FIX IT. THAT'S ALSO WHERE HE, MR. JOHNSON WAS INFORMED THAT A PLUMBER IS NOT LICENSED TO WORK IN THE SYSTEMS. YOU HIRED A PLUMBER TO DO AN INSTALLER'S WORK, THEY HAVE TO BE LICENSED ON P CQ TO DO THAT TYPE WORK. AND HE WENT OUT AND, UH, HIRED SOMEONE TO DO THAT. IT WAS INEFFECTIVE. HE, MR. JOHNSON DID CALL OUR OFFICE AND ASKED ABOUT A, I DON'T RECALL THE NAME OF THE COMPANY. I I BELIEVE IT WAS A HISPANIC GENTLE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THE NAME. AND UH, BUT I DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION FOR YOU AT BOTH CASE OFF. AND THAT PERSON, ACCORDING TO MR. JOHNSON, DID TAKE SOME MONEY DOWN, NEVER DID COME OUT APPARENTLY AND RESOLVED IT. SO MR. JOHNSON BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE HEARING IN THE COURT THAT DAY IN FRONT OF JUDGE ADAMS. JUDGE ADAMS TOLD HIM THAT THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE CIVIL CASE SO HE COULD ANOTHER CASE DISCUSS THAT AND BACK TO THE MATTER AT END, UH, MR. JOHNSON IN 30 DAYS TO GIVE 10 DAYS TO CONTRACT AND PRESENT CONTRACT TO THE OFFICE OF BUILDING CAMP. ABOUT THAT TIME WE RAN INTO SIGNIFICANT RANGE. WE DID NOT, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH HIM OR THAT BECAUSE OF THE RANGE, IT WAS APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AFTER THAT COURT DATE BEFORE WE EVEN GOT BACK WITH HIM ON THE CASE THAT HE NEEDED TO GET IT DONE. AND I WITH YOU CAN'T GET WORK DONE. THERE'S MUD UNDER FIRE. SO WELL AFTER THE FACT, HE EVENTUALLY DID GO IN AND GET SOMEONE TO INSTALL A, UH, I BELIEVE HE INSTALLED A [00:45:01] PRESSURE SYSTEM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AGAIN, I HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THE CASE. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS IN A BROKEN SYSTEM. AND UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE THAT GOES. NOW THE CASE HE'S REFERRING TO THE DAY THAT I WAS OUT THERE, UH, THERE WAS A VERY LARGE BRUSH PILE THAT WAS PLACED UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINES. I'D ASKED HIM IF HE INTENDED ON BURNING THAT AND HE SAID, WELL THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I SAID, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH BURNING, WE'RE NOT UNDER BURNING. I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BEING DIRECTED INTO THE POWER ITEMS WITH THAT PART OF THE POT. IF HE COULD SEPARATE IT OUT AND BURN SMALLER, MORE MANAGEABLE POTS. I APPRECIATE THERE WERE SEVERAL PLASTIC BAGS, CONTENTS. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, BUT I TOLD HIM, I SAID, IF THAT'S TRASH, I SAID, PLASTICS CANNOT BE BURNED ON THE OPEN GROUND, SO YOU NEED TO REMOVE PLASTICS AS YOU'RE SEPARATING IT OUT GET BURN. YOU NEVER HEARD PROBLEM AFTER THAT. MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, MR. JOHNSON HAS PLA A COURT ORDER HIM DO AND HE HAS ASSISTANCE. THAT FURTHER QUESTION, UH, YOU HAD ISSUE WITH THE MR COME BY MY OFFICE AND TALK TO ME ABOUT, UH, HE WAS TRYING TO GET HIS BUILDING ON WAY END THE BUILDING THERE, COME TO YOUR OFFICE. IS THAT RIGHT? NOT HEARING EVERYTHING SAID SIR DID COME BY. RIGHT. HE, HE WENT OVER TO CHAD AND JOHN AND PRESENTED A, AN APPLICATION FOR THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION PERMIT AND PRESENTED THE PLANS OR THEIR REVIEW. UH, I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THAT PLAN REVIEW ON THOSE CASES, UH, BROUGHT CHAD TO ASSISTANT FIRE MARSHAL. THEY, PARDON? CHAD AND JOHNNY ARE THE TWO ASSISTANT FIRE MARSHAL? YES SIR. ASSISTANT AND DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL. AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, THAT TAKE CARE OF THE LARGE BULK OF ALL THE PLANS, THE, THE PLAN REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS. WELL, HE WAS, BECAUSE THEY TOLD HIM TO GO HOME AND PUT IT UP ON THE FIRE. THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO BUSINESS. WELL, MR. CROW, WHEN HE COME TO ME AND MR. CROW WAS CONCERNED NEXT MONDAY MORNING, MR. CROW WAS CONCERNED AND, UH, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T FEEL THAT, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PERMIT HIS OTHER BUILDING, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO. AND I ADVISED HIM THAT THE OTHER BUILDING THAT WE BUILT WAS DONE. YOU STARTED THAT BUILDING PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF OUR FIRE. THEREFORE WE DID NOT HAVE ANY BARGAIN TO ASSIST YOU WITH THAT. BUT NOW THAT YOU A NEW BUILDING CHANGE OCCUPANTS CLASSIFICATION, IT FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE FIRE THAT AS EVERYONE ELSE DOES. UH, HE DID CONTACT ME BY PHONE WHEN WE SPOKE. UH, HE ACTUALLY SHOWED UP HERE IN COURT ONE DAY AND WAS GONNA GET UP HERE. HE WANTED TO SPEAK WITH THE COURT ABOUT IT AND AFTER OUR CONVERSATION, I WAS ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO HIM HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT ALL THE ISSUES WERE AND WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT AND IT MOVE FORWARD. HE DID NOT EVEN APPROACH THE COURT THAT DAY. I WASN'T INFORMED TO THE FAR AS I KNOW EVERYTHING IS WELL UNDERWAY AND HE'S, HE'S DOING FINE. WE, WE DO HAVE SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FIRE CODE AND UH, DON'T FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE CODES. BUT USUALLY IF, IF ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO 'EM WHY IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY AND THEN WE ONLY GO BY THE VERY MINIMUM STANDARDS AS ESTABLISHED, WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, ADDITIONAL ORDINANCES AND THINGS THE CITIES WOULD'VE FOR ADDITIONAL LIMITATIONS. WE GO BY THE BASIC FIRE CODE ITSELF AND UH, EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH IT, BUT THEY UNDERSTAND, GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF YOU. AND I VISITED ABOUT A WEEKS AGO BY ALL THE OTHER CALLS THAT YOU WERE AND YOUR GUYS, I HAVE A GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND I SEE THAT THOSE GO SOME THOSE CALLS, BUT I THINK ABOUT LIABILITY COULD BE OPEN OURSELVES UP SITUATION, DON'T SURE, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS FOR THE WORK PANEL, BUT AS EXPLAINED TO YOU, SOME OF THOSE CASES THAT YOU SAW ON THERE, THEY WERE FELONY CASES AND AND WE ARE AS PEACE OFFICERS, WE ARE BOUND. I MEAN IF, IF WE WORKED TO SEE AN ACCIDENT OR BURGLARY [00:50:01] PROGRESS AND SAW THE VEHICLE LEAVING IN THE DRIVEWAY, IF WE WERE NOT TO INTERVENE AS POLICE OFFICERS YOU DISCUSSED, I'M NOT HAVING ISSUES WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE NOT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING. NOT DO ANYTHING GET GO. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ALL ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, ERS. DO I, I JUST HAVE A STATEMENT IF I CAN. UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, CONSTABLE JASON JOHNSON. TWO. UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK REAL QUICK. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL, UM, HE'S KIND OF IN THE SAME SITUATION AS THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE HAS A HAT AND THAT HAT IS A PARTIAL OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS LAW ENFORCEMENT ITSELF. UM, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY THAT WE ALL HAVE TO DO AS WELL AS THE FIRE ACADEMY. AND IN THE SITUATION AS IF SOMETHING IS GOING ON, IT'S NOT A CAN YOU INTERVENE WITH IT? HE'S MANDATORY TO INTERVENE WITH IT. I'VE WORKED WITH FIRE MARSHAL RICHARDS ON SEVERAL CASES. I'VE HELPED EXECUTE SOME OF THEIR FELONY WARRANTS ON SOME MARSHALL MORRISON IN SITUATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN HOFFMAN COUNTY ALONE. UM, I WILL SAY THAT HE DOES HIS JOB VERY WELL ON AN INVESTIGATION SIDE OF IT. UM, AND I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT US AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO AS WELL, BUT BEING THAT SO MANY DEPARTMENTS ARE SO SHORTHANDED RIGHT NOW, THE MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WE CAN GET INVOLVED WITH IT, THE BETTER OFF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE SAFER THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA BE. UM, IF HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE, HE'S REQUIRED BY LAW TO BE THERE. HE'S GOTTA BE THERE. NOW. I KNOW THAT HE GETS THERE FIRST, OR SOME OF HIS GUYS WILL GET THERE FIRST, BUT WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THE, THEY LEAVE, OKAY, SHERIFF'S HERE OR SOMEBODY ELSE IS HERE, OKAY, WE'RE DONE AND THEY MOVE ON. BUT, UH, I DO COMMEND FIRE MARSHAL RIDGE. HE HAS DONE, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. WE'RE NOT. UM, BUT HE HAS DONE A JOB VERY WELL THAT I SEE, THAT I'VE BEEN WITH SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. THAT WAS MY 2 CENTS. YOU'LL, UH, NOT RONNIE, BUT UH, IF YOU'LL, UH, MAYBE COMPLETE ONE OF THE FORMS ABSOLUTELY. THAT TURN IN. SO WE'LL HAVE A RECORD OF, UH, COMMENT. YES SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMPLETE A FORM? OKAY, SO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FIRE MARSHAL. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE NOW BACK TO UM, UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE AND THAT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REAL ONE RANDY RICHARDS, THAT COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL FOR A TWO YEAR TERM. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN TO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THESE PAPERS SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND ANYBODY UH, KNOW? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, TO ADJOURN THE SPECIAL MEETING SHANE MOTION, HAVE A SECOND ALL SAY AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.