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A REGULAR MEETING OF THE TON COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.TODAY'S MONDAY, OCTOBER 10TH, NINE O'CLOCK AND WE'LL BEGIN.
I'LL ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, ALLEN TO GIVE THE INVITATION, UH, AND THEN, WE'LL, FATHER, WE'RE SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE TODAY.
WE'RE SO BLESSED TO BE IN A COUNTRY THAT'S FREE, THAT WE COULD, UH, DO THE THINGS THAT WE ENJOY AND TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN, AND ALWAYS HAVE YOUR AS A NATION AT THIS TIME AS WE COME THROUGH THE ELECTION CYCLE, WE HAVE THAT YOU GIVE US THE PERSON THAT WILL BE BEST FOR, FOR THE WHOLE, NOT FOR ANY PARTICULAR PARTY.
WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SON.
FOR US ALL THAT MEANS HELP US AS WE CONDUCT FOR THE, WE DO SO IN A WAY THAT WILL FORGIVE US TO AWAY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TWO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, IF ANYONE IS HERE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON ANY ITEM THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME FORMS OVER ON THE, THAT YOU FILL OUT AND GIVE THOSE TO, UH, COUNTY CLERK.
AND, UH, YES, YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE PERSON, I GUESS I WILL.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE WAY OF, UH, ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.
SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON INTO THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.
MAY AS TO TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET OF COUNTY SD DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN B IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING ASSESSMENTS AND COLLECTIONS CONTRACT BETWEEN COUNTY TAX AND MUNICIPAL DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR.
UH, AND C IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ASSESSMENTS AND COLLECTIONS CONTRACT BETWEEN KAMAN COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR AND THE KAMAN COUNTY FRESHWATER DISTRICT 1D.
AND THEN D IS TO DISCUSS PROJECT AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD FOR PREPARE TO COUNTY ROAD 40 83 IN THE AMOUNT OF 5,000.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT ANY ITEM THAT'S LISTED BY CONSENT? NEXT ITEM IS FROM OUR TREASURER TO PRESENT, EXCEPT THE TREASURER'S QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT FOR THE OF OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER, 2015, JANUARY, MARCH, 2016, AND APRIL, UH, THROUGH JUNE OF 2016.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU WHEN WE PROVIDED OUR MONTHLY AND OUR QUARTERLY, OUR TRAILERS REPORTS.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE TOOK THE VOTE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAD THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA CORRECTLY TO ALLOW Y'ALL TO TAKE THE VOTE TO APPROVE THIS AS A SEPARATE ITEM.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, DOING THIS WILL GET US PROPERLY ALIGNED WITH WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES ARE AS A COUNTY.
SO THE REPORTS ARE BASICALLY NOT CHANGED, IT'S JUST, JUST, IT'S JUST TELLING YOU, YOU KNOW, WE TALK EVERY TIME THAT THE MONEY'S ALL AT AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK UNDER THE TERMS OF OUR DEPOSITORY AGREEMENT BURNING 35 BASIS POINTS, AND THAT WE HAVE SMALL PLACEHOLDER BALANCES IN ACCOUNTS AT TECH SCHOOL.
AND THIS DOCUMENT FORMALIZES THOSE VERBAL STATEMENTS TO MORE NEARLY COMPLY WITH, I BELIEVE WHAT THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT.
THEN I THINK WE CAN, EXCUSE ME, JOE.
NO, I THEN ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, WE, WE'VE ADDED THIS IN ON A QUARTERLY BASIS SO THAT GOING FORWARD,
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IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY APPEAR ON OUR AGENDA.ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT OFFICIALLY, MR. SHANE, UH, MAKES THAT MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND, MR. ALLEN SECOND MOTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I DON'T NUMBER, UH, OR ALSO FROM THE TREASURER, UH, TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A REVISED COUNTY INVESTMENT POLICY.
AND WE, UH, COPIES ARE BEING RUN RIGHT NOW ABOUT A 70 PAGE BUNDLE FOR YOU, AND WE'LL DISTRIBUTE THOSE BUNDLES AND INCLUDE THEM IN THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING.
AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER ALLEN HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE, UH, CONDUCT A WORKSHOP TO GO THROUGH THE POLICY IN DETAIL, ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS.
NOW, THIS IS, UH, THE CORE OF THE POLICY WE HAD GIVEN TO THE COURT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AS A MARKUP COPY OF THE COUNTY POLICY.
WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY, UH, COMMENTS BACK FROM THAT.
SO WE'VE PROCEEDED FORWARD AND, UH, AND ADDED TO IT THE, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE POLICY.
AND, UH, AND I THINK ONE DECISION THAT'LL BE MADE, UH, PERHAPS TODAY IS, UH, THE INVESTMENT COMMITTEE.
AND I'VE MENTIONED THE JUDGE WOOD, UM, SUGGESTIONS ABOUT INVESTMENT COMMITTEE.
I'VE TALKED TO COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS ABOUT SERVING ON THAT INVESTMENT COMMITTEE BY STATUTE, IT'S THE AUDITOR NOT.
AND, UM, AS I'VE GOTTEN INPUT FROM OTHER COUNTIES AND SEE WHAT COMES ACROSS, UH, THE TREASURER'S COMMUNICATION EMAILS, UH, IT'S VARIED.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE COUNTY JUDGE, SOMETIMES IT'S THE COMMISSIONER.
I BELIEVE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD AND, AND START EXPLORING, UH, INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNTY, UH, WE MAY CHOOSE TO GET, UH, ONE OR MORE MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY WITH INVESTMENT BACKGROUNDS TO JOIN US ON THE COMMITTEE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A BIG UPDATE OF THE POLICY.
THE POLICY HAS BEEN FAIRLY STATIC SINCE, APPARENTLY PRIOR TO 2009.
AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN TWO CHANGES IN THE PUBLIC FUND INVESTMENT ACT IN THIS INTERVENING TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST BELIEVE THAT WE'LL GET THIS, THIS BUNDLE TO YOU.
I'LL BE AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH ANY OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, UH, TO DISCUSS ANYTHING.
UM, BUT AS WE TALK, YOU KNOW, OUR PRIMARY PURPOSE HERE IS TO COMPLY WITH THE PUBLIC FUND INVESTMENT ACT, UH, TO, TO START BY GETTING MONEY TO TAX POOL, WHICH, UM, A ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE COLLATERAL DIFFICULTIES ENCOUNTERED BY DEPOSITORY BANK BECAUSE WHEN, I BELIEVE IT'S THE DO FRANK ACT THAT REQUIRED THAT IF A BANK IS HOLDING THESE DEPOSIT OR FUNDS, UM, FOR EVERY THOUSAND DOLLARS OF THESE FUNDS THEY HOLD, THE BANK HAS TO HAVE 10 A HUNDRED A CAPITAL, A 10 TO ONE RATIO.
SO IT'S CHANGED, UM, PUBLIC ENTITIES FROM BEING A FAVOR DEPOSITOR TO PUBLIC ENTITIES BEING, UH, OF A DEPOSITOR THAT HAS TO BE MANAGED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS WHERE WE ONCE AGAIN, GET ACTIVE WITH TECH SCHOOL, THAT WILL ONE, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, UH, DEPOSITORY OF MANAGEMENT.
AND THEN ALSO IT OPENS UP THE POTENTIAL TO DO OTHER INVESTMENTS, PRIMARILY BANK CDS, ALL OF THE INVESTMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE INSURED.
ALL OF THE INVESTMENTS WILL BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S BOARD INDIVIDUALLY.
SO RIGHT NOW WE APPROVED THAT WE'RE AT TECH POOL AND AT AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK.
AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK HAS A, UH, A FACILITY TO ASSIST US
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WITH INVESTING IN CDS AT OTHER BANKS.SO AS WE LOOK AT HAVING THE POOL OF ROAD BOND FUNDS TO BE INVESTED, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A GREAT TIME FOR US TO BE DILIGENT HERE AS WE FINISH THIS YEAR TO, UM, TO GET THIS PART OF OUR HOUSE.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK I REQUEST THAT TABLE APPROVAL PENDING Y'ALL SCHEDULING WORKSHOP.
AND AGAIN, UM, THESE DISTRIBUTED HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS INTO THANK YOU.
I THINK THE TAXPAYERS WILL GREATLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING FIRST.
I MEAN, THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE COUNTY.
WELL, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHANE.
AND, AND IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, I HAD DONE A, AN ANALYSIS OF THE LAST ROAD BOND FUNDS AND HINDSIGHT IS 2020.
SO, BUT USING THAT DRAW DOWN AND INVESTING MONIES SO THAT, UH, IN BANK CD PRO PERFORMANCE TO HAVE ROAD BOND MONEY COME DUE TO BE SPENT TIMELY, UM, MY LITTLE PROFORMA ANALYSIS HAD A, A LITTLE OVER A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OF INTEREST EARNED IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR DEPOSIT FOR CONTRACT.
SO I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE WISDOM ON THIS COURT AND ALL OF THE WISDOM THAT'S AVAILABLE IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY, UH, THAT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL PART.
I THINK IN COMMISSIONER ZA, UH, LINGO, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 15 MILES OF SERVICE OVER THE YEARS.
BUT THE KEY GENTLEMEN IS, IS THE SHORT TERM INVESTMENTS WILL MAKE AN EXTRA $500.
WE'LL MAKE AN EXTRA THOUSAND DOLLARS.
BUT WHEN WE CAN IDENTIFY ROAD BOND FUNDS THAT WON'T BE SPENT FOR THREE YEARS AND YOU'RE PUTTING FIVE, EIGHT, $10 MILLION BACK FOR 10 YEARS OR FOR THREE YEARS, UH, YOU'RE GETTING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN COMING MORE THAN HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON.
SO YOU WANNA TAKE I DO MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER ALLEN SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NEXT ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS FROM BRIAN BEAVER TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE DONATION BY THE COP POLICE DEPARTMENT DIRECT D 800 PRO FUND.
SERIAL NUMBER 0 0 5 0 3 0 1, DOWN TO THE, UH, SPECIFICS AND PARTS INCLUDED CONTROL UNIT OF PRO FUND FOAM, A CABLE SPOOL, CABLE NEGOTIATOR, HANDSET, AND COACH HANDSET.
ETT PURCHASED NEW WAS PURCHASED NEW IN 2003 500 AND SO IS GOING DONATE THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UH, HAVE A BACKUP UNIT, PLUS WE'VE HAD SOME INCIDENTS WHERE WE'VE HAD TWO IN COUNTY, SO WE REDUNDANCY SYSTEM, THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE IT TO.
IT'S PROBABLY BEEN USED, SO WE WANNA PUT IT IN A, IN THE SERVICE FOR AND EXACTLY HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO ALL WELL IN OUR, WHEN WE HAVE A, WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE GET, ONCE WE DO THAT, HAVE CLOSE CONNECT ARMOR VEHICLE.
BUT THIS JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER TOOL THAT WE CAN USE PLUS REDUNDANCY.
I GUESS YOU'LL TAKE CARE OF WRITING THE LETTER OR SOMETHING.
BUT I THINK IT'D BE COOL IF WE ALL SIGNED IT.
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ANGIE WILL GET IT.MR. PHILLIPS, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER SIX IS PARTICULARLY ON THE DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTANCE 20 UNITED HEALTHCARE RENEWAL PACKET FOR RETIREE INSURANCE.
YOU NEED TO EMPHASIZE THIS AS, UH, RETIREE INSURANCE.
YES, THIS IS RETIREE INSURANCE THE COUNTY HAS PARTICIPATED IN OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO THE COUNTY.
UM, IT'S JUST A SUPPLEMENTAL LIFE OR NOT MEDICAL INSURANCE, UH, PLAN OFFERS FOR RETIREES.
UM, THIS IS JUST TO CONTINUE OUR PARTICIPATION IN THAT, UH, PROGRAM.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT LIEUTENANT, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSA.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY A.
UH, NUMBER SEVEN IS TO DISCUSS, UH, PROGRESS ON THE PROPOSED AND THE SHELTER, UH, PROJECT.
AND, UH, KAREN, YOU, REBECCA, WANNA GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHAT, WHAT YOU FOUND OUT, WHAT YOU'VE DISCOVERED? WELL, I WAS LOOKING FOR, BUT HERE JASON, SO FEEL FREE TO, TO JUMP IN, BASICALLY, UM, WE'RE WORKING FORWARD WITH PLANS AND I SAY PLANS MORE OR LESS GATHERING A LOT OF INFORMATION ON BUILDING THE COUNTY'S OWN ANIMAL SHELTER.
MONEY WAS SET ASIDE FOR THAT AND THE BUDGET.
AND SO HEADQUARTER AND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS AND, UM, AND SEVERAL, UM, AS, UM, CHIEF BEAVERS, THE AUDITOR, OUR OFFICE JUDGE WOOD, ARE, UM, JUST REALLY TRYING TO, TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT ALL THE COSTS INVOLVED, ALL THE OPERATIONAL COSTS INVOLVED, AND IN A PLAN TOGETHER TO BRING BEFORE THE COURT TO, UM, REALLY SHOW WHAT, UM, THE BEST PLAN WE DO BELIEVE WE HAVE AND TO HAVE THE BEST, UM, ESTIMATE OF THE TRUE OPERATIONAL COST OF THE SHELTER.
BECAUSE ONCE THE SHELTER IS BUILT, THE REAL ISSUE IS REALLY THE OPERATIONAL COST EACH YEAR.
AND THAT CAN VARY FAIRLY WIDELY DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF PROGRAM AND HOW IT'S STRUCTURED AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH, UM, CERTAIN NONPROFITS.
AND SO WE JUST, SO THE PLANNING IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN MAKING SURE THAT'S SET UP SO THAT, UM, THE COUNTY IS OPERATING WITHIN ALL THE REGULATIONS AND GUIDELINES AND WE ARE OPERATING IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT IS STILL IN THE PLANNING PHASE.
IN THE MEANTIME, UM, WE HAVE GONE BACK TO THE CEDAR CREEK ANIMAL SHELTER AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL, A, UM, SIX MONTH CONTRACT WITH THEM BECAUSE THAT SHOULD GIVE US SIGN TIME TO GET OUR ANIMAL SHELTER ORGANIZED AND MAYBE EVEN MAKE SIGNIFICANT PRO PROGRESS ON HAVING AN OPERATIONAL.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WERE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE, UM, THE CEDAR CREEK ANIMAL SHELTER.
AND, UM, THEY HAD ORIGINALLY REQUESTED I THINK $11,000 A MONTH TO OPERATE OPERATE.
AND SO WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK, THEY AGREED, UM, PER APPROVAL OF THEIR BOARD.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT APPROVAL TO, UM, LOOK AT THE SIX MONTH CONTRACT OVER BETWEEN 90 310,500.
SO IT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT COST, BUT IT WOULD BUY US, UM, SOME TIME THAT WE NEED.
AND OF COURSE, OUR GOAL WITH OUR OWN ANIMAL SHELTER IS TO HAVE OBVIOUSLY MUCH, MUCH LESS OPERATIONAL COST EACH MONTH THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING, UM, TO SEE THE GREAT ANIMAL SHELTER.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOUGH, THAT, UM, DURING OUR VISIT WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER, WE WENT OVER THE FINANCIALS, UH, WITH THE BOARD AND THAT WAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE OPERATING, UM, MAIN CREW WITHIN THE FACILITY.
AND KAREN AND I FOUND THEIR NUMBERS, UH,
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TO BE, UM, VERY ON POINT.AND THAT OPERATIONAL COST OF ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS 325,000 PER A YEAR WAS, IT WAS COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE.
SO THE 42% THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY BRINGS IN ANIMALS IS WHAT WE'RE BEING CHARGED OR ASKED TO BE CHARGED PER MONTH.
SO I, WE DIDN'T FIND ANY, ANY HOLES IN THAT ANALYSIS.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WHENEVER WE BRING THE CONTRACT BACK FOR YOU GUYS TO KNOW.
AND REBECCA AND I ACTUALLY WENT DOWN THERE OURSELVES.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF HOURS WITH, UM, WITH THE ANNUAL SHELTER AND WE TOP OF THEIR ACCOUNTANT AND WE ACTUALLY WENT INTO PRESENT FOR PRESENT AND WE WENT THROUGH ALL THEIR NUMBERS.
AND 11,000 IS BASED ON THE 42%, 3 75, I THINK IT'S 3 25.
AND, UM, AND SO, SO IN ESSENCE, THEY'RE KIND OF CUTTING US A DEAL BY DOING THE 93 TO TEN FIVE PER MONTH.
UM, THE VETERINARY COSTS, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF EXPENSES IN MONEY AND A SHELTER AND WE, THEY ALWAYS FOR OUR ANIMALS AND WE TAKE UP ABOUT 42% OF IT.
AND ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES WITH, UM, WRING IN, UM, CUTTING THOSE COSTS IS IT'S JUST MOST OF THE SHELTERS ARE REALLY ALMOST, THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER PLACE TO TAKE THE ANIMALS.
EVERY PLACE IS FULL OR THERE'S JUST NO ROOM.
AND I KNOW THAT PAM HAS DONE SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH AND COLLEGE WHO'S DEVELOPED TOO, I BELIEVE, AND THERE'S JUST IT, IT'S KIND OF STRANGE, BUT THE DEMAND IS GREATER THAN THE DEMAND IS CREATED, THE SUPPLY AND SHELTERS.
SO, UM, WHAT ABOUT
UM, THE BOARD PRESENT WAS GOING TO TRY TO DO A, UM, BOARD MEETING BY TELEPHONE TO GET THAT APPROVAL.
SO I THINK THE NEXT COMMISSIONER'S COURT WE CAN HAVE THAT, UM, CONTRACT WHERE THEY FOR APPROVAL, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM IF WE DID PULL OUT? THEY SHOVE HIM DOWN.
THEY OPERATE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS, THEY HAVE TO RE RESTRUCTURE THEIR MODEL.
SO ONE OF THEIR HESITATIONS WITH GOING TO A SIX MONTH CONTRACT WITH US IS THAT THEY HAVE THE BOARD PLAN TO SURVIVE UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN IN SIX MONTHS.
AND SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT ASKING FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN SIX MONTHS WOULD, WOULD BE FAIR TO SOMEONE THAT WE'VE PARTNERED WITH FOR THAT LONG.
AND, AND THAT WAS OUR DIALOGUE WITH THEM IS IF WE ASK FOR, 'CAUSE INITIALLY WE, WE'D LET THROUGH MAYBE A QUARTERLY CONTRACT, BUT, UM, THEIR, BUT THEIR BUSINESS, THEY CAN'T REALLY SURVIVE AND THEY WON'T DO A QUARTERLY CONTRACT.
BUT, AND HONESTLY IN THREE MONTHS WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE QUITE READY EITHER.
SO, UM, BY DOING THE SIX MONTH CONTRACT, IT SHOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BOTH PARTIES.
AND WE WERE CANDID WITH THEM THAT OUR PLANS ARE TO BUILD ANIMAL SHELTER.
SO IF THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES, IF THEY WANT TO TAKE ANIMALS, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS A COUNTY THAT WE, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CANID WITH WHAT OUR PLANS ARE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE PREPARATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE IF THEY NEED TO GO TO OTHER PLACES AND UM, AND RECEIVE ANIMALS FOR OTHER ENTITIES THAT THEY CAN KIND OF GET GEARED UP FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IT WAS A VICTIM TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THEY WERE CHARGING US IN OTHER CITIES IN DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY RE-CONTRACTING WITH THEIR ENTITIES TO GO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD PERCENTAGE GAP, THEY SHOULD HAVE MORE MONEY.
SO THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WITH HENDERSON? NO, IT'S IT'S BASED ON THE, THE 3 25 AND SPLIT BETWEEN EACH OF THE ENTITIES ON THE ANIMAL THEY MAKE UP.
SO NOT FOR ANIMAL ACTIVITY? NO, NOT ANYMORE.
UNLESS IT'S A MUNICIPALITY THAT'S ONLY BRINGING, YOU KNOW, $2 A MONTH AND THEY MAY HAVE IT PER ANIMAL, THAT SPECIFIC MUNICIPALITY, THAT TO ME THAT LIKE, THAT'S THE TROUBLE THE MODEL WAS THAT THEY WERE ALWAYS BY OUR SHARE WAS 75, 40% OF THE BUDGET, 42%.
OUR NUMBERS WAS SO HIGH ON PER DOG VERSUS EVERYBODY ELSE.
IF EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD BEEN SAYING PAYING THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT THERE PROBABLY WENT BEYOND THAT THOUGH BECAUSE 75 I MEAN, DOESN'T COVER WHAT IT COSTS PER, RIGHT.
SO I MEAN AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TO KEEP LINE AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE THIS YEAR WITH THEIR ACCOUNTANT IS THAT THEY ARE DOING THE SAME BLANKET QUALITY ACROSS THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHERE HENDERSON COUNTY'S COST WENT UP.
THAT'S WHERE OUR COST FRANKLY WENT UP IS HENDERSON COUNTY USES WHAT, 20 TO 30% BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE AS ANIMAL SHELTER AS WELL.
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THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.AND THEN THE ONLY THING THAT THERE THAT, THAT MAY STAKE PER ANIMALS, THERE'S SOME VERY SMALL TOWNS AROUND THERE THAT BRING THEIR ANIMALS AND THEY MAY BRING FOUR OR FIVE DOGS A YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO FOR THEM INSTEAD OF BEING 0.00 SOMETHING PERCENT, IT, IT'S MORE, IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THEM CHARGE PER ANIMAL.
THE ONE THING I'LL SAY, WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH IN LOOKING AT THE BUDGETS THAT OTHER COUNTIES CLOSE TO OUR SIDE AND SOME AT DIFFERENT SIZE, UM, SET ASIDE FOR THEIR ANIMAL CONTROL SLASH ANIMAL SHELTERS.
AND WE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THOSE, UM, COUNTIES AND MOST OF THEM THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING A REALLY GOOD DEAL.
IT WAS ONLY COSTING US $11,000 A MONTH.
WE DID NOT REALIZE PERSONALLY THAT IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL ANIMAL SHELTER ISSUE, THAT'S SUCH AN EXPENSE.
WELL IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SHOCKING TO FIND OUT WHAT EVERYBODY YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO JUST TO ROCK AND THEY DON'T EVEN RUN IT.
LEGACY FOUNDATION'S PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL CONTRIBUTE TO IT.
IT'S LIKE 965,000 A YEAR OR SOMETHING, 8 65, I MEAN, WHICH IS, AND THEY DON'T EVEN PICK UP GAS.
THAT'S NOT EVEN, IT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE REALLY INITIALLY.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, AND THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT MODELS THAT YOU CAN GO WITH SOME COMPLETE ALL THEIR VETERINARY SERVICES, EACH ANIMAL SPAY, NEUTERED OTHERS, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN'T QUITE SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND SO THAT REDUCES A LOT OF THEIR FEES.
UM, ONE TRI-CITY, UH, ANIMAL SHELTER THAT WE TALKED TO, THEY ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE VETERINARIANS GOT A VOUCHER SO THAT IF YOU ADOPTED A PET FROM THERE, THEN YOU COULD CASH IN THAT BACK, UH, VOUCHER WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT VETERINARIANS AND THEN THEY WOULD ONLY, YOU KNOW, CHARGE YOU HALF THE PRICE OR SOMETHING.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING SCENARIO.
AND THEN IT REDUCED THE CITY'S, UM, OVERARCHING THAT THESE TICKETS, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, UM, OR THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE COST THAT, AND YOUR SALARIES THAT YOU'RE GONNA PAY AND YOUR FACILITY.
BUT MOST OF IT IS, UH, FIXED COSTS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, TAKING THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT COME IN TO CEDAR CREEK WHERE WE GO NOW, UM, I THINK IT IT, THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT WHERE THERE'S AN ECONOMY OF SCALE WHERE UM, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE PAY FOR ALL THOSE OVERARCHING, UM, COSTS.
BUT, BUT THE PER ANIMAL COST, UM, I MEAN LIKE SOME OF THE JUST RUNNING THE FACILITY, UTILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE FIXED COSTS NO MATTER THAT $10 OR HUNDRED, I MEAN, AND THE DOG FOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S MORE BASED ON HOW MANY ANIMALS YOU HAVE AND CHARGES AND THEY, BUT THEY ARE WORKING TO OPERATE THEIR BOARD MORE EFFICIENTLY.
THEY'VE HAD SOME DIFFICULT TIMES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, A LITTLE INSTABILITY ON ON THEIR BOARD, BUT THEY ARE WORKING TO, YOU KNOW, TO OPERATE IT AND TO UM, TRY TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
BUT AFTER THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID THAT THEIR NUMBERS HAVE BEEN REBECCA AND I GOING DOWN AND GOING THROUGH THEIR NUMBERS WITH THEM, THEIR UM, THEIR NUMBERS ARE, ARE PRETTY MUCH ON POINT.
SO I DIDN'T WANT THE COURT, I WANT THE COURT TO HAVE INFORMATION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY REALIZE THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE, SO TO SPEAK WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M WORKING ON A REPORT FOR TCQ.
UM, SO I QUESTIONED THE THREE 20.
THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD YOU THEIR BUDGET WAS BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE HERE WITH US, IT WAS $200,000 THAT THEY SERVICE THEIR BUDGET WAS, AND WE NEEDED TO PAY THAT PERCENT OF IT, WHICH WAS A HUNDRED, UM, AND 40,000.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF, THAT'S ODD THAT THEY TOLD YOU THEIR BUDGET WAS THREE 40.
YEAH, THE NUMBERS ELLIS COUNTY, UM, THEY ARE RAN BY SPCA.
THEY DO TAKE OWNER SURRENDER AND THEIR BUDGET RUNS THEM.
WAS IT TWO? SO I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THESE IS I MET WITH THEM PERSONALLY MM-HMM
AND THEIR OFFICE MANAGER CREATED THIS DOCUMENTED DIDN'T COME DIRECTLY FROM THEIR BOARD.
SO A THEM ARE ESTIMATE, THEY'RE NOT EXACT NUMBERS.
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SO THAT'S THE ONLY HESITATION I HAVE ABOUT NUMBERS ON.SO 200 OR 2,500 DOGS IN THEIR REGISTER, $277,000.
IT SHOWS THAT THEY BROUGHT IN $277,000 IN CONTRIBUTIONS AND ADOPTION FEES AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES THINGS.
OWNER RINGER FEES, ELLIS COUNTY'S CONTRACT IS FOR $35,700 A YEAR.
AND THEN WITH, WITH ELLI, WITH THE SPCA OVER THERE IN ELLIS COUNTY, THE CITY OF ENNIS CONTRACTS IS FOR 43,645.
MY QUESTION IS, IS JUST THAT EVERYONE THAT I TALKED TO WERE JUST APPALLED HOW MUCH WE WERE BEING CHARGED FOR OUR ANIMALS ABSOLUTELY APPALLED THE STATE TO EVERY SHELTER I VISITED WITH, THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A CRAZY NUMBER.
AND THEN WHEN I SAW THIS BUDGET, WHEN IT CAME IN, FINALLY I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT ELLIS COUNTY WAS ONLY PAYING THAT MUCH MONEY.
BUT THIS, THIS UM, SHELTER TAKES CARE OF $2,500 OR 500 DOGS A YEAR.
THAT'S CRAZY BECAUSE WE SEND ABOUT 700 DOGS ON
RIGHT? SO S COUNTY ONLY HAS ABOUT 50 TO 60 DOGS PER MONTH, WHEREAS OUR COUNTY AVERAGES OVER A HUNDRED.
SO THAT NO, THAT WHAT WE SAY 35 40, I THOUGHT IT WAS 1100 PER YEAR.
THAT'S WHEN THE CATS SAW SOME OF THAT.
THE CATS, YOU, YOU'RE AVERAGING CATS AND WE MOVED THE CATS OUT FROM THERE.
SO SO YOU ADDED IN THE CATS, WHAT WOULD WE AVERAGED WE AVERAGE ABOUT 47.
AND DID THAT MONTH DOWN AVERAGE BACK.
SO THE DOGS THIS YEAR, TODAY IS 7, 718 AND THE CATS TODAY IS 285.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OUR AVERAGE? ABOUT THE SAME.
PRETTY WELL, YEAH, IT WAS, WE HAD 1200 AT DIFFERENT YEARS.
SO THE NUMBERS THAT, BUT THEIR WHOLE TOTAL NUMBER, SHE HAD THE CATS IN AND WE REMOVED THE CATS FROM DOWN THERE MONTHS MARCH AND MARCH.
THAT'S BY FOUR THAT SOME COUNTIES DO NOT PICK UP.
YEAH, WE WERE BOTH KIND OF SHOCKED FAMILIES THAT SAID WHAT YOU AND OWNER SURRENDER AS A COUNTY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OWNER SURRENDER.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REALLY LOOK AT AND MAYBE IF THE NONPROFIT COULD WORK WITH US WITH THAT ON THAT PART AND THE ADOPTIONS.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I I AM JUST TO THE POINT WITH, WITH CEDAR CREEK THAT IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING AND THE NUMBERS ARE ALWAYS KIND OF OFF AND WE'VE ALWAYS, I'VE CHECKED SINCE I THINK 2013 FROM WE'VE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH EVERY SINGLE NUMBER OF THE ANIMALS THAT COME THROUGH.
SO IN COMPARING THE PROCESS AND CHECKING IT OFF THE LIST, SO I I, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE KAUFMAN IT TIME THAT LIN COUNTY, THE SHELTER YOU GOT ANYTHING, YOU, Y'ALL FOUND ALL THE INFORMATION.
THE BIGGEST INFORMATION IS THAT PEOPLE, COUNTIES, CITIES, THEY'RE PAYING AN EXTREME LOT OF MONEY FOR AND FOR THE OFFICE.
THEY UH, UH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE COUNTIES ARE PAYING MORE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL THAN THEY ARE FOR DISABLED VETERANS AND, AND THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO COMPUTE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE GET OUR PRIORITIES.
IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE LEGISLATURE LOOK AT? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO COUNTYWIDE, LIKE REQUIRED REGISTRATION SHOULD BE HAD TO REGISTER THAT BE THERE'S ONLY CHARGE FOR REGISTRATIONS THREE BUCKS.
THEY MAKE THREE CATS, THREE CATS, FIVE DOGS.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS DECIDE WHAT KIND STRUCTURE THEY WANT.
IF THEY WANT THE COUNTY TO, UM, OPERATE OPERATES ANIMAL SHELTER.
IF THEY WANT A NON-PROFIT TO OPERATE IT OR IF THEY WANT A PRIVATE ENTITY TO BID IT OUT AND THEN HAVE IT MAINTENANCE OPERATED BY THEM.
AND AT THAT POINT YOU CAN STRUCTURE YOUR ANALYSIS AND HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST AND THEN
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WE NEED TO DO UM, GET PURCHASING INVOLVED AND DO A STRATEGIC PLANNING TEAM AS FAR AS THE CAPITAL, UM, UNDER COSTS FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.I THINK JUST THE MORE THAT WE'VE INVESTIGATED, THE MORE PLACES THAT WE'VE ALLY LOOKED.
YEAH, WE, WE COME OUT AHEAD IF WE CAN GET A NONPROFIT IN THE FRONT OF IT.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOUR NONPROFIT IS TOO.
'CAUSE THE TWO STUDIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY ARE BOTH NON-PROFIT.
ELLIS COUNTY DOESN'T OWN NO, NO, I, I MEAN GOOD FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN RECEIVE A LOT OF MONEY.
THE, AND IF WE'RE ON OUR PROPERTY WHERE THE INMATES CAN HELP MAYBE TOO.
SO, AND HELP KEEP UP THE PROPERTY AND HELP, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ROCKWELL, ROCKWELL PAYS, YOU KNOW THAT MUCH MONEY EVERY MONTH.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT BUILT THE SHIFT.
IT'S CALLED COLLIN COUNTY BUT SEE IS THROUGH COLLIN COUNTY.
THAT'S, BUT I MEAN IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MILLION SOMETHING.
THEY STILL SPEND ABOUT 6,000 A YEAR AND THEY DID SPEND 6 85 OPERATIONAL A YEAR CONTRIBUTING TO IT.
AND THEY DON'T EVEN REALLY DO ANYTHING.
FAMILY CONTROL OFFICER, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE OFFICES IN THERE AND THEY WOULD WORK OUT THERE, BUT, UH, YOU, IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE AND THE ONLY THING I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BUDGET, AND I MEANT TO ASK THEM, MAYBE THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS SALARIES ARE IN THAT BUDGET AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO HIGH.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, OUT SHERIFF'S OFFICE TAKE SOMETHING RELIEF OF THE SALARY AND PUT IT ON SOMETHING ELSE.
SO REALLY WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, IT'D BE BETTER FOR US TO PAY 10,000 A MONTH TO YEAR AROUND 24.
WELL THE PROBLEM YOU FACE, HERE'S, HERE'S THE REAL LINE PROBLEM YOU HAVE.
YOU COME TO THIS SAME PROBLEM EVERY SINGLE YEAR UNTIL YOU EITHER TAKE CONTROL OF IT OR YOU ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE TO CONTROL YOU.
I THINK THAT'S RARE STRATEGIC PLANNING WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, PRICE OUT THE COST PER A YEAR.
AND AN ESTIMATE POPULATION ROW.
SEE WHEN THAT POINT IS, I MEAN IT MIGHT BE NOW, IT MIGHT BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALL DAY LONG.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY, REALLY KNOW BY DOING THE WORK AND DOING THE BACK AND DOING ALL THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO TAKE TO OPERATE THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
IT'S NOT REALLY SO MUCH ABOUT GETTING IT, IT'S COST, IT'S A COMBINATION.
BUT ONCE YOU HAVE IT BUILT AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE DOING IT, THEN YOU PUT OPERATIONAL COSTS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS WHERE WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO KNOW AND WHAT THE TRUE OPERATIONAL COSTS BEST CASE, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
SO IN THE COURT DECISION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY WOULD, THAT'S OUR REALLY OPERATIONAL COSTS.
EVEN IF IT'S WORKSHOP, NUMEROUS TERMS, WHATEVER IT TAKES UP FRONT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THE NEXT COMING FOLLOWING BUDGETS THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE COSTS THAT ARE UNEXPECTED TOWARDS THE, AND THEN WE'RE COMMITTED TO PAYING THOSE COSTS.
YOU GET TO ELLIS COUNTY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING 38,000.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA FIND ALL THE NUMBERS FROM WHAT, WHAT THEY ARE AND WHAT THE TRUE FACT IS.
SO, AND WE HAVEN'T FINISHED THEM, BUT IT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.
WE'RE GONNA WORK ON, IF WE COULD REQUEST QUICK WORKSHOP ON IT, THAT'D BE GREAT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT TIME.
THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
YOU SPENT LOT OF TIME LOADED UP.
THEY'RE WELDING ON THE TRUCKS, WE CAN'T GET THEM OFF.
I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR PUTTING THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR US.
UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS DISCUSSED.
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KAREN? YES SIR.ANY QUESTIONS? LINE ITEM, TRANSFERS.
WHATCHA TALKING ABOUT? YOU SHOULDN'T READ ANYTHING? COULDN'T SEE ANY.
NO, I SAW, I SAID I DIDN'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS.
MAKING SURE I ANSWER I THE SAME QUESTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE ITEM MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS SECOND ROSA.
WANNA GIVE US THE AMOUNT? YES SIR.
CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE 1,000,900 $24,780 AND 83 CENTS.
495,000 WAS EMPLOYEE INSURANCE AND WE PURCHASED THE FIVE, UH, VEHICLES, WHICH WAS 216,000 FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE BILLS THAT SUBMITTED MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED BE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.