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IT'S

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GOT ALL THE NUMBERS ON IT BECAUSE I WANTED Y'ALL TO SEE WHAT THE, UH, FIRSTLY I THINK IT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO, BUT I WANTED YOU TO SEE WHAT THE COST BE.

SO, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

GO AHEAD.

MOVE DOWN THROUGH THERE.

IF THIS IS, THERE, ARE, THERE, YOU TOTAL IT UP.

THERE ARE 46 EMPLOYEES, BUT YOU REMOVED THE THREE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

YOU HAVE THE 43.

SO THE INCREASE, IF IT WAS GIVEN BASED ON THIS SNAPSHOT, IS AROUND 85.

AND I WORKED OFF A SPREADSHEET THAT KW HAD CREATED AND ALL IT HAD TO DO WAS FILL IN THE PROPOSED WAGES.

IT ADDED UP ALL THE, THE FICA T-D-C-R-S AND WORKMAN'S COMP AND GROUP INSURANCE.

SO THE TOTAL IS 85.

UH, UH, IT'LL BE LESS THAN $90,000 AND THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF 1900 PER PERSON.

THE THIRD PAGE IS, IN COMPARISON OF THE 10 COUNTIES, JUDGE ASK US TO DO SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND OTHER COUNTIES OUR SIZE.

SO WE DID A COMPARISON OF 10 COUNTIES.

WE INCLUDED THE, THE DEPUTIES AND THE DIFFERENT TITLES FOUND UNDER THE OFFICES, WHETHER IT'S OFFICE MANAGER ASSISTANT.

IT BASICALLY SHOWS THAT OUR CLERKS, AND IT ALL SHOWS, SHOWS THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES ARE LOW.

AT THIS POINT, I'M TURN THEM OVER TO OKAY.

OR YOU WANT ME TO WAIT ONE.

OKAY.

AND THE NEXT PAGE IS WE, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS COUNTIES THAT HAD SALARY PLANS AND ONE OF THE NEWEST ONES WAS ROCKWELL.

THEY APPROVED THIS ORDER IN SEPTEMBER OF 2016 AND THEY STARTED THEIR PAY PLAN.

THEIR PAY IS BASED ON PERFORMANCE AND IT BASICALLY GOES THROUGH AND SAID EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE RAISED UP TO THE BASE PAY, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BASE YOUR MONEY THAT YOU GET AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE, THE NEXT PAGE IS THE PERFORMANCE SALARY.

AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE IS BROKEN DOWN BY OFFICES.

SO, AND AGAIN, ALL WE'RE ASKING IS YES, PLEASE CONSIDER RAISING UP OUR STAFF SALARY, BUT ALSO CONSIDER SERIOUSLY COMING UP WITH A SALARY STRUCTURE FOR THIS COUNTY THAT PUTS EVERYONE ON THE SAME FOR ME.

THERE'S NO ENCE.

THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO ARBITRARY NUMBER TO STAND OUT OF THE AIR.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE PAY STRUCTURES OR THE SALARY RANGES ARE, AND SURELY THERE'S ENOUGH OF THEM.

I THINK WE DID GIVEN YOU FIVE VARIATIONS OF THE SALARY COUNTY AND DONE BY COUNTIES AROUND HERE WITH ROCKEL BEING THE ONE, WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT WHEEL.

I THINK HUNT COUNTY'S DOING ONE.

THEY HIRED A FIRM.

YES, THEY'VE HIRED A FIRM.

YEAH.

I THINK WHEN THE ROCKWALL DID THEIRS SEEMED LIKE THEY PAID SOMEWHAT LIKE A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING THOUSAND.

YES.

BUT I TALKED TO THE LADY AT ROCKWALL COUNTY THAT THE DRUG DIRECTOR OVER THERE, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE.

UM, WHEN ROCKWELL DID THEIRS, UM, THEY HAD SOMEONE COME IN AND DO JOB ANALYSIS AND, AND EVALUATED EACH JOB.

AND I THINK THEY ALSO IN CLASS, DON'T THEY ALSO DO PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS? THEY COMPARED IT TO, YES.

THEY COMPARED IT TO COUNTY.

I MEAN, NOT ONLY JUST TO OTHER COUNTIES, BUT PRIVATE SECTOR INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

YES.

SO, UM, LAURA, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION.

'CAUSE I DID SOME OF THIS TOO.

I DID SOME OF THIS RESEARCH MYSELF.

I STARTED IT AND I HAVEN'T FINISHED IT.

'CAUSE I WAS NOTICING THERE WAS SOME VARIATIONS AND YOU'D HAVE A CLERK ONE AND A CLERK TWO.

AND A CLERK ONE WOULD MAKE MORE THAN A CLERK TWO, WHICH WAS ODD TO ME.

SO I, THAT'S WHERE I STARTED.

LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN VERY DEEP INTO IT.

THAT'S WHERE I STARTED WITH THIS.

BUT DID YOU ASK FOR THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS TO COMPARE THE JOB TITLES IN OTHER COUNTIES WITH YOUR JOB TITLES? TO SEE WHAT THE SKILLS WERE REQUIRED OF THOSE JOBS AND STUFF? JUST TO SEE IF THEY WERE REALLY AND TRULY THE JOB TITLES MATCHED EACH EACH OFFICE, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTY YOU'RE IN, WE'RE STATUTORILY DOING THE SAME THING.

SO IT'S BASICALLY YOU CAN GO FROM ONE COUNTY TO OTHER AND DO THE JOB NO MATTER WHAT JOB IT IS.

YOU LEAVE THIS COUNTY AND GO TO ANOTHER COUNTY.

NO.

NOW THEY MAY VARY LIKE A LOT OF COUNTIES, UH, DISTRICT CLERK WILL DO JURY AND JUVENILE.

BUT IN THIS COUNTY, I DO MY OWN JURY, I DO JUVENILE, BUT SHE DOES MORE CIVIL THAN I DO.

OKAY.

SO BASED ON HOW, UH, THE COURTS WERE CREATED, THE CLERKS WERE ASSIGNED DIFFERENT DUTIES.

BUT REGARDLESS, SOMEBODY IS GONNA DO JURY ORDER, JURY, IT'S, YOU CAN DO IT, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT DUTY.

YES.

YOU CAN STILL DO IT.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT DUTY.

AND THAT'S THE SAME, UH, AS WITH THE TAX ASSESSOR OFFICE.

AND, AND BRENDA IS WITH US ON THIS.

SHE'S JUST NOT PHYSICALLY WITH US THAT THE TAXES, YOU RAISED HER HANDS.

BUT THE TEXAS ASSESSOR IN EVERY COUNTY DOES NOT DO ELECTIONS.

WELL, SURE, YEAH.

AND SO I GET THAT.

I'M THE CONSTITUTION.

WE ARE

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OUR, OUR, OUR DUTIES ARE NOT GONNA VARY.

I JUST, ON THIS SHEET YOU CALL EVERYBODY A DEPUTY CLERK, BUT ON THE, THE FORM THAT I RAN FOR OUR KAUFMAN COUNTY SALARIES, IT HAS PEOPLE LISTED AS SUPERVISOR ONE, SUPERVISOR TWO CLERK.

I WAS TRYING TO CREATE A STRUCTURE WITHIN NINE BASED ON I THINK THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO ADJUST SOME OF THAT.

WELL, I DON'T, THAT'S THAT'S, IT WAS TOTALLY ARBITRARY.

SOMETHING THAT I HAD PUT.

YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOT, IT, IT'S SHOWING SOME DISPROPORTION IN LEVEL TWO PEOPLE BEING PAID LOWER THAN LEVEL ONE PEOPLE, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO REPEAT THAT.

OH, I, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A TOTALLY ARBITRARY THING THAT I CAME UP WITH.

AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I DID WHEN I CREATED IT.

SURE.

IT, IT, I CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

AND I JUST WANT, I I, I DO THINK THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, THERE IS SOME, SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED.

ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT IT WAS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT, THAT THERE ARE OTHER COUNTIES IN LIKE SIZE AND STATURE THAT, THAT DO PAY DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DO NOW.

WE, WE ARE TYPICALLY MORE COMPARABLE WITH, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GENERALLY LESS THAN COUNTIES IN THE METROPLEX.

NOT ALWAYS, BUT GENERALLY.

UH, BUT WE'RE TYPICALLY HIGHER THAN THE EASTERN COUNTIES.

AND UH, AND THAT'S A BROAD STATEMENT, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY ACCURATE.

MAYBE HENDERSON COUNTY, MAYBE I, I AND HIRE, WE'RE GONNA BE HIRING IN VAN OVER, WE'RE HIRING VAN.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S HIRED.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS THE FACT THAT, DO THESE OTHER COUNTIES PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF HEALTHCARE? 'CAUSE THAT'S AN ADDED, THAT'S PART OF THE BENEFIT TO IT, IS IT'S A HUGE, AND THOSE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT WITH THEIR SALARIES TOO, TO SEE IF THOSE COUNTIES PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF HEALTHCARE.

BRENDA, ONE THING I DID, AND I, WHEN I WENT IN, WE HAD, I DON'T HAVE MANY SUPERVISORS WE HAD, BUT WE HAD A SUPERVISOR FOR THIS.

SUPERVISOR FOR THIS SUPERVISOR.

FOR THIS SUPERVISOR.

WELL, I SAW THAT TOO.

ALL SUPERVISOR.

WHAT I DID IS I CALL 'EM KEN LEADS NOW.

AND SO IT REALLY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THAT WAS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BE A SUPERVISOR.

SO RIGHT NOW, MINE ARE TEAM LEADS.

SO WHEN WE START, YOU KNOW, WHEN I START, WHEN WE DOES START SETTLING, I'M GONNA CHANGE SOME OF THEM TO SUPERVISOR MAYBE.

BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT, UH, THEY TOOK, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

THEY, THEY'RE HUNG THEY DEVELOP ATTITUDE.

YES, SIR.

AND THEY WERE, I THINK, DISRESPECTFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE.

SO I TRIED TO MAKE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

YOU KNOW, THEY STILL GOT THE SAME JOB, THEY STICK UP THE SAME MONEY.

NOBODY'S GOT ANYTHING TAKEN AWAY FROM 'EM.

AND I CHANGED THAT.

AND, AND I, I'VE ALSO GONE TO SOME SEMINARS AND I SEE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR THE SUPERVISOR TO HAVE THE SUPERVISOR TITLE.

BUT A TEAM LEAD TO ME IS THE SAME THING.

I JUST TOOK THAT OUT SO THAT, UM, AND IT HAS MADE CHANGES MANAGING GOOD AND BAD.

OKAY.

SO, UH, RONDA, YOU GOING TO MINE? I, I WAS JUST SPEAKING FOR ALL OF US.

I KNOW A ALL EIGHT OFFICIAL CLASS FOR SALARY INCREASE.

RIGHT.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE END OF TIME, BEGINNING OF TIME.

AND I ONLY BEEN CLERK, THIS IS MY SECOND TERM.

HADN'T HAD A RAISE SINCE I'VE BEEN CLERK.

I KNOW MY SECOND WILLIAM.

ANYBODY? YOU HAVEN'T HAVE A RAISE SINCE YOU BEEN IN THE DISTRICT CLERK? NO, SIR.

YOU DIDN'T GET A RAISE ALONG WITH WHAT WE GAVE EVERYBODY ELSE 500, 500 COUNT MONEY.

I THOUGHT IF ONE YEAR WE GAVE A THOUSAND DOLLARS RAISE TO EVERYBODY, I THOUGHT ON THE 1200 AND 600 FOR WHAT I WAS TOLD, THERE WERE 600, 600, 1200, 600.

YOU SHOULDA GOT, SHOULDA.

WE DIDN'T ANY, WE DIDN'T GET, WE DIDN'T GET THAT.

WE WENT, WE WENT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS.

I MOVED RAISE.

REALLY? LEMME CHECK INTO THOSE.

AND I KNOW SOME OFFICE HOLDERS, I MEAN, ONE JUST ASKED FOR A RAISE.

$67,000 WE'RE COUNTYWIDE.

WE RUN COUNTYWIDE.

AND THESE OFFICE HEADS, THEY'RE NOT COUNTYWIDE.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO RUN STATUTE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BY GOVERN BY ANY LAWS.

WE'RE, I MEAN, WE MAKE ONE WRONG MISTAKE.

WE COULD GO TO JAIL AND WE'RE, WE HAD PUT OUT MONEY IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY.

AND THESE OFFICE HEADS, THAT'S MAKING A LOT MORE THAN WE MAKE.

WE JUST DON'T MAKE THINK IT'S FAIR.

WE ALSO, YOU, YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T GET A RIGHT.

NEITHER ONE OF YOU GOT A RAISE.

WE, I THINK WE GOT THE 600.

600.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU DID, BUT YOU GOT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WE GOT WHAT? EVERYBODY ELSE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

I'M, WE DIDN'T GET, I MEAN, WE WE'RE

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NOT MAKING 60 OR 70 DOWN THERE.

YEAH.

WE'RE NOT MAKING, YOU KNOW, 60 OR $7,000.

LIKE SOME THAT'S NOT OFFICE HOLDERS.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS OFFICIAL.

THEY'RE JUST DEPARTMENT HEADS.

DEPARTMENT HEADS.

AND WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

I UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, I'M GOING GIVE IT WITH BRENDA AND HER STAFF.

YOU KNOW, ALL THIS COMES BACK AMONGST OBVIOUSLY AND, UH, TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER SOME VERY, VERY TENTATIVE REVENUE FIGURES BASED ON OUR TENTATIVE VALUE THAT WE GOT FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

UH, JUST SO YOU'LL KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE INSURANCE, UH, INFORMATION UNTIL, UH, SOMETIMES SHOULD BE THIS WEEK, MAYBE EARLY NEXT WEEK.

YEAH.

UH, AND THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG DRIVER, YOU KNOW, OF IT.

UH, BUT IT'S, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING A WHOLE LOT ON, UH, ANY OF THE, UH, UH, SALARIES RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO SEE WHERE WE ARE.

BUT IT'LL HELP EVERYBODY TO KNOW KIND OF WHERE OUR REVENUE IS.

WE HADN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGETS AND THEY ALWAYS NEED MORE MONEY FOR ROADS.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WANT TO DO IS INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF THE TAX RATE FOR ROADS AND BRIDGE, UH, WHICH WILL TAKE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL OPERATING FUND.

BUT THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE.

UH, SO, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE IN MY OPINION.

THIS IS A REASONABLE REQUEST.

UH, AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THE LADIES WHEN WE MET, I THINK.

AND, UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET, UH, BUT IT CAN HELP US AS FAR AS WHEN WE GET THERE.

SO NOW'S THE TIME TO SPEAK TO THE LADIES THAT ARE HERE.

WELL, WHEN, WHEN SKE AND I CAME IN, WE CAME UP WITH THE PLAN AND ALL OF OUR GUYS, WE TRY TO KEEP THEM PRETTY MUCH SAME IF THEY DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY CAN OPERATE FOR LICENSE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SOMETIMES YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MEANS JUST ONE YEAR EXPERIENCE.

SO MANY TIMES THEY'VE NOT REALLY GROWN.

OKAY.

JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN AROUND AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TO GET FIRED, BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TO GET PROMOTED.

I'M KIND OF A GUY WHO LIKES TO PAY BASED ON PERFORMANCE, NOT JUST SCATTER.

EVERYBODY GETS A DOLLAR.

UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S ME.

BUT I DO THINK WE DO NEED A SALARY RANGE FOR BEGINNING AND, AND TOP PAY.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD.

UH, I DO NOT LIKE THE SUPPLEMENTAL PAY FOR BILINGUAL.

WELL, WELL I HAVE, I HAVE THAT IN THE, IN MY, IT'S IN MY BUDGET.

I THINK.

UM, IT'S KIND OF COME, YEAH.

I THINK IT ALL PUTS OUT MY BUDGET.

BUT SHE, SHE'S JUST NOT, SHE'S NOT USED JUST FOR MY OFFICE.

SHE'S USED FOR ALL THE COURTS.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT NEEDED.

NO, I'M JUST SAYING WE, WE AGREE THAT, THAT THE BILINGUAL BY ITSELF SHOULDN'T REQUIRE A SUPPLEMENT.

BUT WHAT WE ASKED FOR WAS A CERTIFIED, AND BASICALLY IT'S CERTIFIED BY THE STATE TO GO INTO THE COURTROOM TO BE A COURTROOM.

A CERTIFIED COURTROOM INTERPRETER DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF OUR SHEET IS A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER ONE.

RIGHT.

AND HOW YOU FILL UP WITH THAT NUMBER? THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR, ACTUALLY IT USED TO BE 1500 AND WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER ANYMORE, I GAVE MY MONEY TO RHONDA.

TO SANDRA? SANDRA.

SANDRA.

YEAH.

TO SANDRA.

TO SANDRA.

IT WAS, UM, SANDRA.

AND THEN, AND THEN SHE TOOK CARE OF ALL THE COURTS.

ALL THE COURT.

AND I, WELL, MY ONLY QUESTION IS THERE, IF I GOT 10 GUYS THAT ALL SPEAK SPANISH, MY GOSH, MY MOTHER'S SHOT LET BE CERTIFIED.

WE WERE SAYING CERTIFIED, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA IN COURT EITHER.

RIGHT.

SO YOU NEED TO BE, BE REAL, REAL SPECIFIC ABOUT WHERE, WHERE THIS PERSON USED IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE SUPPLEMENT.

SO COURT CERTIFIED.

WE UNDERSTOOD.

CERTIFIED TO BE COURT.

BECAUSE EVEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO BRENDA, SHE'S LIKE, NO, I, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA.

WELL, YOU CAN, WELL NOW I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK IT'S FAIR.

YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS FAIR AT ALL.

OF COURSE I UNDERSTAND LIKE IN RONDA'S THING AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO GO TO COURT AND THEY'RE CERTIFIED, THEY SHOULD MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT THE PEOPLE IN OTHER PLACES, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN SPEAK SPANISH, I MEAN THAT'S JUST NEEDS BE THE JOB.

DESCRIP OTHER TITLE SHOULD BE INTERPRETER.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OTHER COUNTIES.

IT INTERPRETER JOB TITLE.

WHAT IT'S, THEY HAVE A COURT CERTIFICATION ALSO.

IT SHOULD BE IN THEIR PERSONNEL FILE.

SO IT HAS TO BE KEPT ON FILE.

RIGHT.

IT'S GOTTA BE CAREFUL WORD THIS.

YES.

YES.

CRITICAL.

THE COURT CERTIFICATION FOR Y'ALL, IT WOULD BE CRITICAL.

I DUNNO ABOUT RENTAL.

RIGHT? IT'S VERY HELPFUL IN MY DEPARTMENT.

BUT, UH, BUT I THINK RHONDA'S PERSON EVEN HAS TO GO TO OTHER PLACES.

SHE DOES.

SHE SHE GOES TO NOT JUST IN COURT.

SHE DOES IT FOR THE JAIL.

EVERY NOW AND THEN SHE GOES FOR A DIFFERENT

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PRECINCT.

JUDGE.

UM, ADAMS USE HER ALL THE TIME AND DURING MY WORK HOURS.

SO I MEAN, SHE LEAVES AND GO AND HAS TO INTERPRET.

THAT IS NOT, I MEAN A BILLING, I'M SORRY.

YOU OUGHT TO BILL IT.

YEAH.

CHARGE YOU PAID.

NO, I THINK THAT, I THINK PERSONALLY THIS JUST ME, I THINK THAT EVERY JOB DESCRIP AND THAT'S WHAT ME AND STARTED OUT TRYING TO GOT SHOT DAMN BAD.

NO PARTICULAR REASON.

WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THERE.

BUT, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT EVERY JOB DESCRIPTION, IF YOU HAVE THAT AS A JOB DESCRIPTION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT SAYING, OKAY, IF YOU GET A CERTIFICATION AND WE'RE PAY THIS BECAUSE WHAT IF SOMEBODY THIS GOES AND GETS THE CERTIFICATION? AND THAT'S WHY WE, IT'S NOT, THIS DOESN'T, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE JOB.

BECAUSE IF IF THEY GO, IF IT A JOB TITLE, THEN IT NO.

IF THEY GO AND GET THE CERTIFICATION, THEN WE HAVE TO PAY THEM.

NO.

IS IT A REQUIREMENT OF THE JOB? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT HAS TO, THEY DON'T HAVE THE JOB.

IT HAS TO BE IN AN OCCUPATIONAL REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENT.

THE JOB.

IT CAN BE.

NO, IT NEEDS TO BE, IF YOU HAD PAY THEM, IT NEEDS TO BE NO, I'M, I'M SAYING IT CAN BE 'CAUSE OUR, LIKE WE DO PASSPORTS, THEY WANT SOMEONE CERTIFIED.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

IT NEEDS TO BE THE JOB.

WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY SOMEONE TO DO THAT.

SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A CERTIFIED PERSON.

SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS ANY ONE OF THESE POSITIONS, JUST BECAUSE THEY GO GET CERTIFIED, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE CERTIFIED, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY THEM EXTRA.

YOU WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED POSITIONS THAT REQUIRE THEM TO BE BILINGUAL AND TO BE CERTIFIED.

SO YOUR INTERPRETER AND IN CERTAIN POSITIONS YOU HAVE THAT PARTICULAR JOB DESCRIPTION REQUIRES THEM TO BE BILINGUAL.

AND THAT PARTICULAR POSITION PAYS MORE.

'CAUSE IT REQUIRES IT.

OKAY.

SO YOU HAVE ONE, ONE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT SAYS BILINGUAL INTERPRETER OR COURT INTERPRETER OR BILINGUAL CLERK AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST CLERK.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM .

THIS, THIS JOB PAYS MORE THAN THIS JOB.

THIS JOB HAS A D SALARY STRUCTURE APPLY FOR IT.

IF NOT, THEN YOU'RE STILL BACK IN CLOSED.

YOU CAN GET ALL THE CERTIFICATION.

SO IF THAT JOB CAME OPEN, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, I WANT THIS JOB BECAUSE I'M HERE AND I'VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE TO MOVE ME IN.

BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU GOT A CERTIFICATION COST.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO GET THE CERTIFICATION DOWN AND GET A 1200 RAISE.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

BUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON IT BECAUSE I HAVE A GIRL WHO'S IN AUGUST, SHE'S GONNA GO DOWN AND TAKE THE TRAINING, TAKE THE STATE TEST.

SHE IS MY COURT CLERK.

SHE'S NOT YET CERTIFIED BY THE STATE TO BE A COURT INTERPRETER.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, THEN THERE'S NOT A VACANCY FOR IT.

RIGHT? YEAH.

YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PIGEONHOLE PEOPLE INTO THINGS JUST BECAUSE THEY GET A CERTIFICATION AND GIVE THEM MONEY JUST BECAUSE THEY, YOU GOTTA HAVE AN OPENING, LIKE A PETITION A, A SLOT TO THAT THAT SAYS YOU NEED THAT CERTIFICATION OR THAT, THAT WHATEVER THE TESTING IS, SHE'S GOING TO TAKE, SHE'S NOT CERTIFIED YET, BUT WHATEVER IT IS SHE'S DOING, THAT JOB DESCRIPTION HAS TO REQUIRE THAT FOR YOU TO GIVE HER THAT MONEY.

ALRIGHT.

WELL, WOULD NOT NOW IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD GET THE, THE JUDGE, I MEAN WHAT IT WOULD BASICALLY DO WOULD TAKE MY COUNTY COURT AT LAW, MY COUNTY COURT AT LAW TOO.

AND IT WOULD FREE UP MARIA FROM NOT HAVING TO COME DOWN.

YOU HAVE DOUBT.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE THE JOB COURT IF YOU WANT? IF YOU WANT THAT.

SO I WOULD JUST HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE ANOTHER JOB DESCRIPTION NOW.

YEAH.

EACH POSITION THAT YOU WANT TO BE BILINGUAL, THAT JOB DESCRIPTION WOULD NEED TO SAY CERTIFICATION REQUIRED AND NOT THE POINT OF THIS CASE SCHEDULE THOUGH, TO RECLASSIFY RESTRUCTURE, KIND LIKE THE SHERIFF DID.

MM-HMM .

BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS TENURE.

RIGHT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, LIKE, I'M JUST GETTING YOU AN EXAMPLE, BUT SEE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT CLASSIFICATION UNDER CLERK.

RIGHT.

BUT IF YOU DID, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANTED GIVE THEM EXTRA MONEY, SO THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT JOB TITLE.

IT WOULD BE BILINGUAL DEPUTY CLERK OR BILINGUAL COURT INTERPRETER.

THERE'D BE A DIFFERENT SLOT.

SO YOU CAN DO AWAY WITH A DEPUTY CLERK POSITION AND CHANGE IT TO BILINGUAL.

WELL WE SHE HAS IT LIKE DEPUTY CLERK SLASH CLERK.

RIGHT.

SO THAT POSITION WOULD PAY MORE AND THAT IT WOULD BE A JOB DESCRIPTION THAT HAS THAT STIPULATION IN IT AND THAT SKILL.

BUT YOU COULDN'T HAVE EVERY POSITION.

NO.

YEAH.

AND IT'S NOT A BONUS IF THEY HAVE IT, YOU DON'T GET A BONUS.

THEY, OR MERIT PAY IF THEY DO GET IT.

JUST BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BONAFIDE OCCUPATIONAL REQUIREMENT.

SO YOU CAN'T BASE, YOU CAN'T BA CAN'T DO IT JUST BECAUSE THEY GET IT.

WE CALL IT A SUPPLEMENT.

SO THAT'S THE DISCUSSION PROBABLY TO BE CONTINUE.

UH, BUT I, BOTTOM LINE IS THIS SALARY RANGE, IS EVERYBODY KIND? IT'S GOOD.

I THINK SO.

YES SIR.

HOW DOES THIS TIE IN WITH, UH, THE JPS CAME IN WITH THEIR CLERKS, RIGHT? IF

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THEY WANTED TO ADJUST SALARY.

YEAH.

HOW WOULD ALL THIS TIE IN WITH THAT? THE SAME PEOPLE, I THINK MOST OF JPS CLERKS ARE MAKE IT MORE THAN A LOT MORE.

A LOT.

SO I MEAN THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE ABOVE THESE.

THEY USED THE SAME, THE SAME FORMAT, EVERYTHING.

THE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME.

THEY JUST TOOK OUT A DEPUTY CLERK AND PUT IN COURT.

ALL I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE WHOLE DEAL IS IT TAKES OUT THE, I LIKE YOU SO I'M GONNA BUMP UP YOUR SALARY OR I KNOW YOU OR I'M WANT GIVE YOU A GOOD DEAL, GOOD THING WE JUST NEED TO TAKE ALL THAT STUFF OUT.

IT NEEDS TO BE PRETTY MUCH CAST STUFF.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, DIRECTOR STUFF AND ALL THAT AND EVERYBODY CAN DO THE WRONG THING BECAUSE THIS IS FOREIGN FOR ME WITH US FOUR THAT SOMEONE SAID WE HAVE OUR OWN LITTLE KINGDOMS. TO ME THAT'S FOREIGN.

I DON'T CARE FOR THAT AND DON'T LIKE THAT.

BUT WE NEED TO BE STANDARDIZING STUFF TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY.

YES.

AND THE OTHER DAY I HAD TO RAISE THE GUY $2 JUST 'CAUSE MY COMMISSIONER DIDN'T LIKE IT AND HE GOT WHAT, $2 BEHIND EVERYBODY ELSE.

THAT'S LUCAS.

SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT FAIR AND EQUITABLE FOR EVERYBODY TO COMPENSATE IT FOR THEIR SKILLS, PUT IT DOWN.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

A RANGE.

IT STILL LEAVES THE BROTHER-IN-LAW STUFF IN THERE.

WHEN YOU GET AS SPECIFIC AS WE CAN, WHAT THEY DO FOR THEIR DUTIES AND WE DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD, IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE APPROVED OR ADDENDED OR WHATEVER TO THAT SALARY POLICY.

SO WE HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN IN STONE THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

RIGHT.

ONCE WE GET IT RIGHT, WE'LL TAKE OUT THE NAMES AND JUST PUT THE POSITION AND YOU NEED TO ADOPT IT.

SO THAT BECOMES YOUR BEGINNING AND YOUR MIDDLE AND YOUR ENTRY LEVEL AND ALL.

WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE THIS BUDGET YEAR.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE HUNT COUNTY IS, IS DOING AND WHAT ROCKWELL COUNTY HAS.

I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT TAG DOESN'T PROVIDE THIS SERVICE.

I NEVER HAD UNDERSTOOD WHY THEY, WE SURE.

THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY WITH 'EM FROM NOT TO DO NOTHING THAT WELL ANYBODY ASKED THEM.

YEAH.

UH, AND YOU CAN ASK AGAIN, THEY HAVE THE LINKS TO THE, TO THE WEBSITES AND STUFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE LISTSERV AND LISTSERV STUFF GOES AROUND AND THEY, YOU CAN GET IT SOME OF THE STUFF FROM THEM AND PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GET IT TO YOU AND YOU CAN DO IT THROUGH OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.

YEAH.

SO WELL, AND YOU MIGHT TRY THAT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THEM COMING IN AND DOING A SALARY SURVEY OF WHAT THE PRIVATE IS PAID.

RIGHT.

AND, UH, TASB DID IT, THEY CHARGED US FOR DOING IT, BUT IT WAS A VERY THOROUGH, UH, STUDY THEY DID.

AND I THINK WHAT ROCKWELL DID, THEIRS TOO.

SO I JUST DON'T, I HATE TO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO REINVENT THE WE DOLLARS.

JUST TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.

AND ROCKWELL DOES BASE THEIRS ON PERFORMANCE AND WE AGREE THAT PERFORMANCE BASED IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, BUT WE GOTTA GET ARTS UP TO WHERE THE REST OF THE COUNTY IS.

OKAY.

SO LET ME, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? YEAH.

SO THIS, WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

YEAH, IT'LL BE QUICK.

SO THIS PARTICULAR, THIS IS BASED ON LONGEVITY RIGHT NOW.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS, THAT WAS OUR INITIAL OKAY.

AND THEN WHEN I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT IT, I KIND OF TOLD YOU WHAT WE WERE DOING.

YOU'RE LIKE, WELL DO A COMPARISON AND COME UP WITH THE RANGE SO THAT THAT WAS OUR FIRST OKAY.

YEAH.

WE DON'T DO THIS FOR A LIVING.

I, I I FIND THAT THAT'S WHY THEY HIRED, YOU KNOW, THEY OKAY.

BUT YOU WILL NOTICE, AND AND RHONDA NEEDED TO CLEARLY POINT OUT THAT ALL THE COUNTIES THAT ARE LARGER THAN US, MOST OF THE COUNTY AND DISTRICT CLERK AND TAX ASSESSORS MAKE 70,000.

THEY'RE NOT AT, YOU'RE SAYING.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANTED YOU GUYS TO SIT AND SO WHAT I ASKED YOU TO DO AND YOU'RE HERE FOR COMING OVER.

ALRIGHT CHARLES, WE HEAR FROM HIM.

HE WANTED TO BE HERE AFTER JUDGE BLAIR.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO LET'S GO TO JUDGE BLAIR'S DEPARTMENT.

AND IT'S EASIER, IT'S EASY PAPERWORK.

YEAH.

HE SAID NO CHANGES.

NO CHANGES.

WELL I DON'T THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COURT, COURT COORDINATOR ME ON THIS.

I DON'T THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON FOR EACH COURT FOR INDIGENT DEFENSE.

I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE COURT COORDINATORS MIGHT BE ABLE TO INDIGENT DEFENSE.

IT WASN'T ANOTHER FULL

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DOWN POSITION.

JUDGE.

JUDGE, POSSIBLY CARE PERSON.

I DON'T, I DIDN'T COME.

THAT WAS NOT WHAT, UH, BUT I, THAT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S UH, WHERE THAT IS STILL IN THE AIR TO BE DETERMINED.

RIGHT.

HE JUST WANTED ME TO SAY THAT CHANGES POSSIBLY.

YEAH.

IT'S INDIGENT DEFENSE BOARD THAT IS MADE RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UH, WE DISCUSSED IT YESTERDAY, BUT I DON'T THERE WAS ANY FILING.

RIGHT.

FILING.

SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S ALL.

GOOD.

GOOD DEAL.

YOU JUST WERE SAYING WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

WASN'T MY UNDERSTANDING.

I KNOW FOR SURE.

I MEAN HAVE THE DEFENSE COORDINATOR FOR EACH COURT.

NO, NO.

SOME PEOPLE.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE WAITING ON, UH, CHARLES WHITAKER.

UH, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD.

IF WILL TURN BACK TO THE BACK WHERE IT SAYS OTHER DEPARTS AND, UH, YOU'LL FIND THE HIGHWAY PATROL.

UH, THEY DID NOT ASK, I DON'T THINK WE EVER HEARD BACK FROM THEM.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO COME.

THEY DON'T WANT ANY CHANGES.

THEY, THEY ARE.

AND JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, WE FURNISH TWO CLERKS FOR THEM THAT DOES ALL OF THEIR PAPERWORK, UH, FOR EVER HAVING ANY TROOPERS WE HAVE ASSIGNED HERE IN THE COUNTY, I THINK 20 SOMETHING.

AND, UH, THEY, YOU KNOW, STAYED PRETTY BUSY.

I THINK SO, UH, MY IMPRESSION, UH, I KNOW THE JUDGE OVER IN HUNT IN ROCKWALL COUNTY CUT BACK THEIR POSITIONS WHEN HE FIRST TOOK OFF.

AND I'M THE CURRENT JUDGE, BUT, UH, JUST HOPE AND THEIR TRAFFIC TICKET REVENUE WENT DOWN LIKE TWO THIRDS OR SO.

NO, DON'T CUT.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.

WE SHOW IT'S GONNA GO WAY UP.

UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE COUNTY JUDGE.

THERE'S NO, UH, CHANGES THERE.

UH, BUT I'M ASKING FOR, I THINK WE'RE GOOD SHAPE.

UH, I DID, WE DID RELY ON TRANSFER THE OTHER DAY ON TRAVEL OFF OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER MEETING I'LL BE GOING THROUGH ON JULY OR FOR SPECIAL SESSION ON THE COUNCIL.

UH, AND UH, SO I, I'VE HAD TO HIT MY TRAVEL A LITTLE HEAVIER THAN, UH, NORMALLY DO.

I'M NOW STAYING AT THE LAQUINTA ON THE HO THERE.

I DON'T NECESSARILY RECOMMEND IT, BUT IT'S $99 AWAY.

AND SO, BUT IT'S OKAY.

I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY BED BUG THAT IS COMMISSIONER PRECINCT 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST ON THE COMMISSIONER'S BUDGET, UH, IS LET Y'ALL, UH, AND ESPECIALLY ON THE REVENUE SIDE AND HELP ME ON THIS KAREN, AND GET ON THE REVENUE SIDE UNTIL WE KIND OF GET, THEY'VE ALWAYS COME TOGETHER AND, AND DIVIDED UP THEIR FUNDING.

IS THAT HOW WE'VE DONE IT? PERCENTAGE, THE PERCENTAGE WAS SET.

THAT'S THE WAY WE PREPARE THEIR BUDGET.

THEN WE TELL 'EM WHAT REVENUES THEY HAVE COMING IN.

THEY TAKE THEIR SHEET AND TELL US WHAT THEY WANT AND SALARIES, WHAT THEY WANT AND NEW EQUIPMENT, WHAT THEY WANT, ROAD MATERIALS, GAS AND OIL.

AND WE FIGURE ALL THAT OUT FOR THEM.

THEY USUALLY MEET WITH ME, US INDIVIDUALLY TO GET THAT CALCULATED.

AND AS FAR AS THOSE REVENUE, I MEAN ALL THAT, ALL THE REVENUES REALLY GO INTO THAT FUNDS 20 THAT AND WE DO A TRANSFER.

THAT'S WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS BASED ON.

YEAH, WE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, SETTING A TAX RATE OR ANYTHING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE PAYING, UH, OUR BIGGEST TIME 0.20 CENTS GOES INTO THE LITTLE BRIDGE MONEY.

AND I'D LIKE TO GET THAT UP TO 10 CENTS.

UH, THAT'LL GENERATE I THINK AROUND SIX OR $700,000.

UH, FIGURING PRETTY CONSERVATIVELY.

UH, THERE'S ALSO ALSO SOME MONEY THAT WE'RE GONNA TO BE RECEIVING ON THE PASS THROUGH TO THAT WE'LL BE RECEIVING FROM THE CITY OF TARRELL AND THE CITY OF KAUFMAN.

SOME OF THAT MONEY WILL COME BACK THIS YEAR.

UH, IT CAN BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE.

UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ONCE WE, AND IT'S GOING TO GROW AND, AND IT IS TIME.

THIS WAS, UH, UH, THE AGREEMENT WE HAD WHEN WE SOLD COUNTYWIDE BONDS, THAT THAT MONEY WOULD COME BACK, UH, TO THE COUNTY AND AGAIN, COULD BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE.

I'M UH, SUGGESTING WHEN WE ADOPT THE BUDGET THAT WE INCLUDE THAT MONEY AS ADDITIONAL FUNDING

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FOR THE ROAD BRIDGE BUDGETS.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA BE.

WE'VE HEARD DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.

I THINK MIKE, SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TOLD YOU ABOUT FIVE PAPERWORK, MINIMUM OF TWO TWENTY'S NOT GOING TO GET VERY MUCH THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT ONLY IS FOR THAT, UH, 5 57 SERVICE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, IT WILL AS THEY DO 5 1 48.

IF THEY FINISH 1 48.

YEAH, IT'LL, THEY, AND THEN THE MONEY, THE BIG ONE IS GOING BE COFFMAN BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S USING THE SOUND ENFORCEMENT.

GIVE US ALL.

WELL, AND THAT'S, WELL WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, TAKING THAT MONEY, THAT REVENUE IN AND SPLITTING IT BY THE PERCENTAGES OR, OR ARE Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT JUST KEEPING IT IN THAT PRECINCT? THAT PRECINCT? SEE I WANT SOME OF ONE AND A HALF MILLION.

NO , WE NEED TO VOTE THREE OR 4 MILLION.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT MONEY WOULD BE DIVIDED UP.

YEAH.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COURT WILL NEED TO DETERMINE AND WE'LL TRY TO GET A BETTER ANSWER ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR.

'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT THIS YEAR ABOUT, ABOUT I SAY YOU WILL, WHAT YOU DO THIS YEAR MAY BE A PRECEDENT FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING EXACTLY.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT, SORRY, JUST PRIME EXAMPLE, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD AS THE AUDITOR, SO, OR CONSTABLES DID NOT COME TO ME AND EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THEIR 10 PLUS FUNDS CAME FOR THEIR EXTRA TRAINING.

I HAD NO IDEA.

SO I JUST DID IT AS A PERCENTAGE AND I WAS WRONG.

IT'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT THEY GET FROM THE STATE AND THEN WE ROLL IT FORWARD EACH YEAR.

SO THEY HAVE THAT LITTLE ACCUMULATED FUND TO USE FOR TRAINING AND EDUCATION.

SO WHEN YOU TO BACK YOU UP IS WHAT I'M SAYING, IT NEEDS TO BE SET AND MAYBE AN ORDER ISSUED THAT'S A RECORD.

SO Y'ALL ARE NOT HERE, WE'RE NOT HERE.

SOMEBODY CAN GO BACK AND FIND IT AND SAY, THIS IS HOW IT WAS DECIDED UPON TO BE DISTRIBUTED DONE.

OKAY.

AND THIS, THIS FUNDING WILL LAST FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING GO AWAY.

UH, AND UH, WE KNOW ONE, I GUESS ONE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW JACKIE'S KIND OF STILL OUT IN THE COUNTRY AT THIS PRECINCT.

I MEAN, IS IT GOING TO BE SHORTED? HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PASS THROUGH TOTAL.

SEE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT MAKE IT EQUITABLE FOR EVERYBODY UP FRONT AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO BECAUSE KNOW DIFFERENT PRECINCTS ARE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT DOLLAR AMOUNTS.

YEAH.

SO IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THAT, THAT WE WOULD, UH, I MEAN THIS, THE COURTS NEVER HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT IT NEVER, UH, OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE WOULD TAKE THAT MONEY AND DISTRIBUTE IT IN THE PRECINCT THAT IT WAS EARNED IN.

UH, I JUST ASSUMED IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE BIG POT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IT IN A SEPARATE FUND AND UP TALK TO TOM POLLAN, THE ATTORNEY THAT DID OUR BOND SALE.

WE, WE KNOW IT'S LEGAL TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S THE DECISION THAT THE COURTS WILL HAVE TO MAKE.

I MEAN IT'S UH, BECAUSE JACKIE WOULDN'T GET ANYTHING.

I'LL NEVER GET ANYTHING.

YEAH.

UNLESS SOMEBODY IT'S NO LONGER AROUND.

THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.

NOW IS IT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING WHAT THEY DIDN'T USE WHAT THEY SAY? YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS, ALL THAT WAS ALL SPLIT UP IN QUARTERS, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO IF WE DIDN'T, YOU WERE ABLE TO SAY THAT IS YOUR MONEY IN YOUR PRECINCT.

I WOULD THINK THAT ANY MONEY, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE MONEY BACK.

YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUSAND ON ONE OF THESE ENGINEERS JOBS.

THERE IS, IT'S GOING BE YOURS.

IT MIGHT NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ALL.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IF THE MONEY GOES INTO ONE POT, NO MATTER WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM, IT EITHER GOES TO REDUCE THE DEBT OR IT'S SPLITTING EQUALLY BETWEEN ALL FOUR.

AND IT DOESN'T THAT WAY IT TAKES OUT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY CAN SAVE, THEY SAVE.

IF IT'S MORE OUT OF TWOS THAN ONES AND FOURS, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

IT ALL GOES IN THE PONDS.

ALL SPLIT MATTER.

THE BONDS ARE SOLD FOR ROADS.

AND SO MY OPINION NOW GO WORK WHETHER IT'S COUNTY ROAD OR A STATE ROAD OR ROAD ISSUED TO GO ROADS.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T THINK PUBLIC, I MEAN I THINK PUBLIC WOULD SAY, BUT IT IS GOING, I PROMISE YOU, BASED ON THE OBJECTIONS THAT WERE DONE WHENEVER, AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND GET THOSE.

BUT WHEN ALL THESE PAST THINGS ARE, IT'S GONNA GENERATE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR I KNOW HOW LONG.

BUT

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IT RUN OUT.

BUT ITS MONEY THAT IN MY OPINION SHOULD GO NO, THAT'LL BE I AGREE.

WHAT SAYS WE DO NEED TO DO AN ORDER SO THERE'S NO BUSINESS GOING ON DOWN BECAUSE IS WHEN THE POPULATION CHANGES IN JUST WHAT, THREE YEARS, 10 YEARS? WELL, THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR SCHEME MIGHT HAVE ANYTHING.

HE MAY NOT THIS DOWNTOWN.

WELL, AND IN THAT CASE TURN AROUND, WE HAVE TO WAIT, SEE WHAT THE ARE.

YEAH.

BUT UH, BUT ON THINGS LIKE THIS, IF IT WERE JUST LIKE SOME ORIGINAL, EVERYBODY GOT A MILLION BUCKS OR 25%, THEN I HOW BIG YOU WERE OR SMALL YOU WERE, YOU PORTION YOUR TAXPAYERS.

I KNOW.

YEAH.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T NEED WHERE THEY ARE, IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, YOU DON'T NEED IT.

WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

AND YOU, YOU'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS ABOUT THAT.

NO, I, I'M THE FIRST ONE AND I'M NOT GONNA KEEP SOMETHING THAT I DON'T NEED.

BUT I ALSO HAVE HARD, ALL HARD SURFACE ROADS.

YEAH.

THAT'S ALL I DO.

WELL, MY ROAD HARD SERVICE, THEY JUST GOT HOLES THAT 'EM DON'T THAN ME.

ALL.

SO LET'S NOT GO INTO ANY MORE DETAIL ON, UNLESS Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ON YOU, APPRECIATE BUDGET.

UH, THAT'S SOMETHING ALWAYS LET YOU PRETTY WELL JUST DETERMINE WHAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? I DO WANNA GET OVER TO THE, UH, GENERAL GOVERNMENT.

UH, THAT'S THE B IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO GO THROUGH THIS FUND AND UH, IT'S WHERE WE PAY AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

UH, THIS IS WHERE WE PAY THINGS.

KIND OF A CASH ALL FRONT, BUT IT'S A HUGE FUND.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE, UH, IT WHAT, SEVEN 8,000,007, UH, 7 MILLION, $638,000 FOR THIS YEAR.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT HAS GONE UP YEARS.

BUT A LOT OF THAT HAS COST, THE INSURANCE COST.

AND SO LET'S QUICKLY GO DOWN THROUGH HERE.

SO KW AND KAREN, Y'ALL KIND OF, LISA, WHOEVER ALL KIND OF HELP GO THROUGH HERE.

THE FARM MUSEUM.

THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

UH, THE SECRETARY I BELIEVE.

YES, YES.

YEAH.

AND SO BETTER, I THINK A BETTER NAME FOR THAT WOULD BE, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE FOREIGN MUSEUM, UH, WHICH IS A PART OF IT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK A, A MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THAT.

UH, WE HAD TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, ATTENDED A MEETING YESTERDAY OF THAT.

WE WON'T GO INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD.

UH, BUT WE DO PROVIDE A PART-TIME SECRETARY PART THAT CORRECT.

PLUS WE PAY INSURANCE AND WE MOW IT'S A WASH INSURANCE ON THE PROPERTY AND WATER BILLS AND THE ELECTRIC BILLS.

DO THEY HAVE ANY THE SALARY BECAUSE WE PROVIDE IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE IN OUR PAYROLL, BUT THEY ALSO WRITE US A CHECK TO REIMBURSE US FOR THE SALARY AND THE TAXES.

OKAY.

THAT'S ON THE REVENUE SIDE, BUT IT'S ON FAST PASS THROUGH, BUT IT'S 5,000.

OKAY.

BUT IT'S REALLY FAR MORE THAN HISTORICAL, UH, CONDITION.

RIGHT.

FOR THAT PERSON TO WORK THE ONE OR TWO DAYS A WEEK THAT THEY WORK.

YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

AND THEN I GUESS THAT SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT'S BASED ON, DO WE KNOW WHO THE PERSON IS? THAT'S JUDGE.

THAT'S JUDGE RICHARD'S WIFE, I BELIEVE.

YEAH.

SANDY BRIDGE.

SHE'S ON OUR PAYROLL SYSTEM.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THE SOCIAL SECURITY ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE, I'M SORRY, DO WE DO? NO, IT'S THE, UH, IT'S NOT OUR, OH WAIT, THE HEALTH OFFICER.

THE HEALTH OFFICER.

YEAH, THE HEALTH OFFICER TO RUN, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RUN INTO PAYROLL, BUT, AND HE'S ON DOWN THE WAY HERE.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S 7,200 EMPLOYEE INSURANCE.

YOU SEE WHAT WE BUDGETED, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, 4,110,000.

UH, THAT VARIES KNOW EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE DON'T GIVE INSURANCE UNTIL THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE MONTHS, TWO MONTHS.

WELL, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN NO LONGER DO IT FOR 90 DAYS.

IT HAS TO BE WITH THE FOLLOWING THE FIRST OF THE MONTH.

WELL, TECHNICALLY IT'S AT 60 DAY 60.

IT'S KIND OF A BOOKKEEPING NIGHTMARE THAT WAY.

I'M KIND OF HOPING WE DO IT THE FIRST OF THE MONTH FOLLOWING THE 60TH DAY NEXT YEAR, WHICH GIVES US, ACTUALLY, IT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME, BUT NOT GO TO THE 90 DAYS IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL TALK ABOUT.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PLAN BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WHEN WE GET TO THAT 90 DAY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT.

WE HAVEN'T STARTED INSURANCE ON THEM.

YEAH.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO CONSIDER IN THE, IN THE RENEWAL.

WELL, YEAH, AND YOU MIGHT, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND SEE.

THE OTHER PART OF IT'S THAT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, FOR EMPLOYEES.

AND WHEN WE DO THESE

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COMPARISONS, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

AGAIN, NOT EVERY COUNTY PAYS THE FULL AMOUNT.

I WE'VE DONE THAT.

WE'VE DONE IT FOR YEARS.

UH, I I CAN ASSURE YOU IT WOULD BE A MAJOR MORALE ISSUE FOR, UH, EVERY DEPARTMENT IF WE CUT THAT BACK.

UH, AND, UH, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE EVEN TALKED ABOUT CHARGING $25 A MONTH OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE HEAD OFFICE, THE CAUSE FOR THAT.

I THINK CHARGING, REQUIRING EACH EMPLOYEE TO PAY $25 A MONTH, WE JUST DECIDED IT WASN'T WORTH THE A*****E AND THE HEADACHE AND THE MORALE ISSUES IT WE CAUSED, BUT NOT, WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT RECENTLY.

BUT BACK WHEN WE WERE REALLY HURTING AND WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT, DOES THIS AMOUNT, UM, REFLECT THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ACTUALLY PAY THEIR PAY US BACK? LIKE YES.

OKAY.

YES.

WELL, I MEAN, WE OFFSET BY REVENUE.

YES.

RIGHT.

A PRIME EXAMPLE IS, AT THE TIME WE WROTE, WE RAN, THESE SHEETS HAVE SHOWED 3,000,006 AFTER THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE REIMBURSED US AND THE EMPLOYEES WE'RE REALLY AT 3,039,000.

SO THAT'S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF TWO OR THREE MONTHS OF RECEIPTS COMING BACK TO US, THE INSURANCE BEING POSTED.

THANK, AND AGAIN, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN OUR RATES COME IN, IN THE NEXT, UH, FEW DAYS AND WHAT ADJUSTMENTS WE CAN MAKE.

CHARLES, UH, I KNOW IT'S GOT A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO GET TO.

SO, UH, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT, UH, OUR BUDGET KIND OF AT THE END PROCESS.

UH, YOU WANT TO, YOU SENT EVERYBODY A LETTER, I THINK, OR GOT AN EMAIL I THINK FROM YOU AND, UH, UH, YOU WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE.

AND I THINK WE'RE HERE ATTRIBUTING 7,000 AND AS HARD AS IT WOULD BE FOR Y'ALL TO BELIEVE I'D SEE Y'ALL TODAY.

THAT MAY BE THE ONLY, THAT MAY BE THE ONLY CIRCUMSTANCE.

UH, UH, OUR SITUATION NOW IS, UM, WE HAD A BUDGET LAST YEAR OF 250,000.

AND WE'VE CUT THAT ALMOST 10% NOW TO 229,000.

UH, WE, UM, ELIMINATED A COUPLE MORE POSITIONS.

UM, WE DID RECEIVE 70,000 LAST YEAR, AS, AS YOU SAID, JUDGE, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT, UH, IT'S LESS THAN A THIRD OF OUR BUDGET.

UH, AND, UH, WE GET SOME FUNDING FROM THE CITY OF CARROLL, UH, WHICH HELPS SOMEWHAT TOO.

HOW MUCH DO YOU GET FROM CARROLL? UH, WE GET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, UH, 24, 20 5,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

DO YOU GET ANY OTHER CITY MONEY? WE USUALLY GET MONEY FROM THE CITIES WHEN WE DO SOMETHING FOR, IF WE DO, UH, A REC RECYCLING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS FAR AS LIKE A, AN ANNUAL DONATION.

LL AND, AND THE COUNTY'S THE ONE THAT GIVE, RIGHT? FORNEY WE'RE WORKING ON KAUFMAN.

WE COMMUNICATE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE WASTE HAULERS GIVE US MONEY FROM TIME TO TIME TOO.

OKAY.

UH, WE HAVE A FENCE.

UH, AND, UM, UH, THE CITY UNIONS, WE HAVE PAY FOR THAT.

WE GO OUTSIDE THE COUNTY IN ONE INSTANCE, AND THAT'S TO HEATH.

BUT WE ADVERTISE IN CORN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

UH, AND GET A LOT OF FOLKS IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY AND BE, UH, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THE GROUP OR, OR SOMEBODY USUALLY PAYS FOR THOSE EVENTS.

UH, UH, AND WE DO, UH, WE DO.

OKAY.

THE PUBLIC LIKES THOSE KIND OF EVENTS.

UH, WE HAVE ONE ELECTRONIC EVENT.

WE LOST MONEY, JUST, UH, BECAUSE NOTHING REPORT NOTHING.

UM, UH, BUT WE HAVE CUT OUR BUDGET AND, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE PRETTY LEAN.

WE APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL CAN GIVE US AT ONE TIME OR THE OTHER.

I'VE TALKED, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO ALL Y'ALL, SOMEBODY I TALKED TO JP, YOU GAVE ME PLENTY OF YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE TALKED A GOOD HALF HOUR OR SO, MAYBE AT COUNTY DAY IN PASSING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH UH BUT OUR NEEDS ARE GREAT.

UH, WE'RE NOT WASTING ANY MONEY.

UH UH, UH, WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR COST THIS YEAR IS GONNA SHOW THAT WE WERE ABOUT 16,000 IN THE HOLE THAT'S GOING TO BE MOSTLY REPAIRS TO EQUIPMENT.

UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO THERE WAS 21,000 IN THE HOLE, BUT, UH, BUT THAT WAS COST TO EQUIPMENT.

UM, OUR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE IS A LITTLE BETTER.

UH, WE'VE GOT ONE TRUCK OR BOXDALE TRUCK THAT'S BEEN IN THE SHOP FOR TWO OR THREE WEEKS NOW.

WE'VE GOT THE THIRD, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD GARAGE LOOKING AT IT NOW.

AND I REMIND Y'ALL THAT ALL THAT EQUIPMENT BELONGS TO Y'ALL.

SO IT WAS BOTH THE GRANT I THINK THAT WE GOT FROM CO.

RIGHT.

MANY YEARS AGO, I THINK.

UH, SO THAT'S A GREAT DEAL OF OUR COST.

BUT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ECONOMIZED ON THAT.

WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING STUFF CRACKED OUT AS OFTEN AS WE

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HAVE.

AND, UH, SOME STUFF WE JUST ACQUIRED, SOMETIMES STUFF JUST SHOWS UP.

WE, UH, WE'RE OPERATING WITH THREE BAILERS, WHICH CAN RECYCLE CARDBOARD, PAPER, UH, PLASTICS.

AND, UH, WE GOT ONE BALER, UH, UH, THAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPANY GAVE IT.

UH, SAME THING WITH COLLEGE.

JACKSON, TIME TO TIME COMPANY, MAKE, GIVE SOME EQUIPMENTS THAT WE CAN GET.

UH, OUR BUDGET IS 229,000.

UH, WE HAVE MET THAT MILLION TO A MILLION AND A HALF, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, UH, PRODUCTS RECYCLED, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ELIMINATED AND CUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON THE PACE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THINGS A LITTLE BIT OR WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF AVERAGING A HUNDRED THOUSAND A MONTH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE AVERAGING SEVEN OR 80,000 POUNDS A MONTH.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UH, I'VE HAD TO ELIMINATE POSITIONS.

YOU KNOW, I ELIMINATED THE PERSON UNDER ME WILL ELIMINATED LAST YEAR.

UH, AND PEOPLE IN THE PLAN HAVE ELIMINATED TWO IN, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE AN INCREASE OF 10%, WHICH NOBODY GETS 10%, BUT, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $70,000, $7,000.

UH, FIVE OR $600 A MONTH WILL LET YOU, WILL LET ME HAVE ANOTHER PERSON.

WHAT, HOW MANY YOU, YOU'RE COOPERATIVE.

SO HOW MANY MEMBERSHIPS DO YOU HAVE NOW? I KNOW, I I STILL JOINED.

I THINK IT'S $25 A YEAR OR SOMETHING AND YOU NEED TO UP, I THINK YOU'RE, BUT I MEAN, HOW MANY, WHAT'S YOUR TOTAL AMOUNT FROM, UH, WE HAVE PROBABLY CLOSE TO 300 MEMBERS.

AND LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NONPROFITS THAT, UH, UH, THAT WE DEAL WITH.

WE HAVE BIG FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES THAT WE DEAL WITH.

AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN SET UP IS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONTRIBUTION IS BASED ON YOUR NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, RIGHT.

AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOR A LONG TIME.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, UH, YOU'VE GOT A SMALL NON-PROFIT THAT'S JUST GOT A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES.

THEY CONTRIBUTE $50 A YEAR TO US, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THAT CRITERIA THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CO-OP SET UP.

YEAH.

UM, AND ENVIRONMENTAL CO-OP MAY SPEND TWO OR $3,000 A YEAR ON, ON TAKING CARE OF IT.

UH, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMPANIES THAT, OR $500 MEMBERS AND THAT SOUNDS GREAT, EXCEPT IF WE'RE PICKING THEM UP TWICE A WEEK.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF COSTING TO THEM THAT WE'RE NOT RECOUPING THAT NOW, PRECINCT TWO, UH, YOU, WE DIDN'T TALK AHEAD OF TIME.

I'M NOT JUST UP TO PRECINCT TWO COMMISSION, PRECINCT TWO PAYS THEIR WAY ANNUALLY.

IT'S NOT A HUNDRED DOLLARS DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY PAY.

UH, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE EXPECT, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, SINCE I'M ALREADY PICKING ON THESE PRECINCT, YOU KNOW, UH, COMM COMMISSIONER ALLEN KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH PRECINCT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SERVICE HIS PRECINCT? YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT DOWN THERE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AS FAR AS RECYCLING DOWN THERE? THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH THE CITY GOVERNMENTS OR THROUGH THE SCHOOLS.

BUT AGAIN, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST US? YOU KNOW, UH, IT COSTS US SO MUCH TO DEAL WITH TAROT.

IT COSTS US SO MUCH TO DEAL IN COST.

UH, AND WHAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR IS, IS WE'RE CHARGING BASED ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WORK WE DO, UH, BASED ON THE MILEAGE AND BASED ON, UM, OUR EMPLOYEES SALARY WHEN WE GO PICK UP, YOU KNOW, WE INVOICE PEOPLE, RIGHT? UM, AND SO WE'LL BE CHARGING IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE SPEND 5,000, YOU KNOW, DOLLARS ON SOME ENTITY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE FOR THAT.

SO, SO I'VE KIND OF AUTOMATED THE QUESTION.

WELL, HE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, DONATED REVENUES, HOW MUCH ARE YOU GETTING PER YOUR DONATED REVENUES? WHAT'S YOUR DOLLAR FROM ALL THOSE COMPANIES? YOU SHOWED ME A LIST, BUT I DON'T HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH COMING.

I'M GONNA GUESS NOW OUR BUDGETS 229, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT'S CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND BUCKS.

OKAY.

SO LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY MAYBE A LITTLE OVER MAYBE.

OKAY.

AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT.

IF YOU'RE GOING HERE WITH X, Y, Z COMPANY AND THEY'RE GIVING YOU $50 A YEAR AND IT'S COST YOU 5,000, I TOLD YOU EITHER QUIT GOING OR CHARGE IT 5,000.

IT'S JUST THAT MATHEMATICS, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

YOU GOTTA BREAK EVEN.

YEAH.

AND THERE TIMES, THERE WERE TIMES, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, UH, TVS ELECTRONIC AREN'T WORTH ANYTHING.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY BRING IN THREE OR $4,000 A MONTH OFF OF CARGO, UH, DEPENDING

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ON, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTION, WHATEVER ARE WORKING.

YEAH.

DEPENDING ON THE BAYERS WORKING.

SEE, RIGHT NOW OUR SCALES, UH, AREN'T WORKING.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO, BUT SMUT, WE'RE WORKING THAT WITH, UH, WE DEAL WITH SMUT, A COMPANY IN NEY.

THEY GET ALL OF OUR CARDBOARD, UH, AND THEY COME PICK IT UP.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE PERSON TO HELP THEM DO THAT.

UH, AND UH, SO OUR INCOME OFF CARDBOARD'S REAL GOOD.

WE GET PAID A DECENT SURPRISED, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH A TON AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, PAPER'S NOT BAD.

PLASTIC'S NOT REAL GOOD NOW, YOU KNOW, THE TVS AND PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, REAL STRESSED OUT AND UPSET.

UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT TAKING TVS NOW.

I KNOW WE HAVE FENCE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND, AND TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S FREE.

UM, BUT I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO THAT ANYMORE.

WE HAD, Y'ALL DIDN'T DO IN GOLF THIS YEAR, HUH? Y'ALL DIDN'T DO THAT? GOLF.

WE DID ANY GOLF JUST BECAUSE OF COST, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND WE HAD ANOTHER EVENT BECAUSE OF WEATHER, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IN, UH, IN HARLAND COUNCIL.

WE HAD A REAL GOOD EVENT IN CARROLL, YOU KNOW, EARLIER THE YEAR.

UH, BUT, UH, ENDED UP LOSING MONEY ON THAT EVEN WITH SPONSORSHIPS OR WHATEVER.

UH, WE HAD A REAL GOOD EVENT, UH, IN HE, UM, THE CEO WORLD PAYS FOR EVERYTHING.

UH, AND SO DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR COST MAY BE, THEY STILL, UH, THEY STILL COVER THAT.

WE'LL HAVE THIS FALL SEPTEMBER DOWN AROUND MAYBANK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THAT, UH, THAT EVENT JUST ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, PUSHED US TO THE LIMIT LAST YEAR BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A PAPERS READY EVENT, WE HAD THE HIRED PAPERS READY TRUCKS THAT END UP BREAKING DOWN BECAUSE, UH, THE PUBLIC KEEPS UP WITH THAT.

WE PUBLICIZE IT AND THEY SHOW UP.

AND IN THE HALF A DAY'S TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

YEAH.

HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MOVE ALONG.

RIGHT NOW YOU'VE, UH, I BELIEVE, WELL, WE'RE DOING 70,000.

I KNOW YOU'D LIKE AN INCREASE.

UH, UH, BUT, UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE WE'RE ASKING THE OTHER, UH, FOLKS THAT WE GIVE MONEY TO, TO GIVE US A, EITHER A MONTHLY OR A QUARTERLY REPORT ON WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITY YOU'RE DOING? SO WE WILL KNOW WHERE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OUR MONEY'S BEING USED FOR SURE.

WE HAVE, UH, UH, OUR FOLKS GET PAID TOMORROW AND, UM, THE BOOKKEEPER HERE, PRINT STUFF.

I MEAN, EVERY THREE OR YEAH, WE SHOW ALL IF YOU CAN SEND AND QUARTERLY WOULD BE GOOD.

YEAH, QUARTERLY WOULD BE GOOD.

AND THAT WOULD KIND OF HELP US SEE, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT? AND WE'LL SHOW YOU MONTHLY AND WE'LL SHOW YOU QUARTERLY, UH, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW.

OKAY.

THAT WOULD BE, NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT.

WE WERE SHORT $11,000 THE FIRST THREE QUARTERS OF THE YEAR.

UH, $11,000 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT IT WAS ONE PERSON BEING LET GO.

BUT YOU WERE GIVEN THAT MONEY YOU HAD IN THE FOURTH QUARTER.

YEAH, BUT I DIDN'T NEED IT ALL IN THE FOURTH QUARTER.

I, I NEEDED QUARTER.

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT TO MAKE PAPER.

IT WAS NOT DONE INTENTIONALLY.

IT WAS MY FAULT.

OH, I KNOW, I KNOW.

MISTAKES.

OKAY, I'LL TAKE THE BLAME FOR THAT.

WELL, MISTAKES GET MADE AND I MAKE THEM ALL THE TIME TOO.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT THERE AT IT'S CLOSEST THING.

APPALACHIAN COLMAN COUNTY'S GOT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT ALL THE COUNTY'S FAULT.

UH, COMMISSIONER BARBARA AND I TAUGHT HOW, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT HOW WE MAY UTILIZE SOME OF THAT PROPERTY OUT ON 4 29.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WAYS THAT I DON'T THINK ARE GONNA BE TERRIBLY COSTLY THAT WE COULD IMPROVE, BUT I MEAN, THE COUNTY, IT'S 110, 115,000 AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S GROWING, YOU KNOW, BUT THE CO-OP, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP, ESPECIALLY AT PRECINCT TWO.

KNOW, PRECINCT TWO IS 10 TO 15% OF EVERYTHING WE DO.

RIGHT.

EVERYTHING.

AND JP, YOUR PEOPLE NEED SERVICE AND EVERYTHING TOO, BUT IF YOU DON'T SERVICE OTHER PEOPLE IN 40, YOU KNOW, ALL COPS GONNA COME UP.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

UH, THE 70,000, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU TAKE $7,000, WHICH I KNOW NOBODY NEEDS TO 2% INCREASE NOWADAYS, EXCEPT CEOS MAKE CORRECTIONS.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE PERSON AT FIVE OR $600 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.

UH, I HAVE, UH, I HAVE TWO DRIVERS, ASSISTANT DRIVER, HAVE AN OFFICE MANAGER, UH, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WORKS IN THE PLANT.

WELL, SO YOU CAN SELL ADDITIONAL MEMBERSHIPS.

THAT WOULD HELP TOO.

YEAH.

ARE THEY INVOLVED WITH THE, THE COUNTYWIDE CLEANUP TOO? THEY'RE INVOLVED I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU USED TO GET, YOU GET ALL KINDS OF STUFF, I GUESS, FROM WHAT YOU GOT THIS YEAR.

BUT, UH, UH, SO WHEN WE DO THE CLEANUP, THE STUFF YOUR

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GUYS SEPARATED OUT AND TAKE IT TO HIM AFTER THE CLEANUP, IS THAT NO, NO.

IT WAS ALL GOES, NOTHING.

THE TV DEAL WAS, UH, WHAT DO Y'ALL WRITE? NOTHING.

NO, WE TOOK, WE TOOK OUR TV TO, UH, WE FOUND ANOTHER PLACE TO TAKE THEM.

I FORGOT, I FORGOT WHERE WE TOOK THEM.

EC HAD SOMETHING.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

I THINK WE TOOK THEM OVER THERE.

I CALLED RALPH, FOUND PLACE TO TAKE ALL THE TVS AND EVERYTHING WE, THEY HAD ACCEPT THEM AND THAT.

BUT, UH, BUT WE HAVE, UH, AND IT'S INSTITUTIONAL.

WE HAVE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM.

UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, A GOOD EXAMPLE IS WHAT HAPPENED IN TER WHILE BACK.

THERE WERE CONTAINERS AT THE LIBRARY FOR PAPER LIBRARY DIDN'T WANT THOSE CONTAINERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN THE THREE LEG DOG, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY OFFERS US SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, DO Y'ALL WANT THESE CONTAINERS? YOU WE'LL TAKE THOSE CONTAINERS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S PUBLICIZED IN MATERIAL OF PAPER LONG BEFORE THE CITY MOVES THE CONTAINER.

WE DON'T HAVE EQUIPMENT TO MOVE THOSE CONTAINERS.

Y'ALL.

WE'LL TAKE THOSE CONTAINERS I WAS GONNA USE.

ONE IS TRASH, TWO RECYCLING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT GOT NOW EVERYBODY OVER 70 MATERIALS UPSET BECAUSE THE CONTAINERS GOT MOVED FROM THE LIBRARY.

IT WAS PUBLICIZED BEFORE THE CONTAINERS GOT MOVED BEFORE WE HAD 'EM.

AND NOW, UH, UH, WE HAVE A CONTAINER FROM PAPER CARDBOARD AT COMMISSIONER BARBER'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA TAKE US ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE THEY GET IT IN THEIR MIND.

THAT'S WHERE THEY NEED TO TAKE THEIR STUFF, WHICH IS A GOOD LOCATION.

UH, SO JUST CHANGING THINGS, MOVING THINGS LIKE THEY'RE AT THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, REALLY AFFECTED, YOU KNOW, SOME COMMUNICATION AND WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, OFFICE OF THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LOT OF LUMBER.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO WITH IT? THEY TURN AROUND AND CALL UP.

SO BY THE TIME THEY GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY UPSET, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PEOPLE SHOW UP OUT THERE.

WE GOT SIGNS UP, NO TVS.

PEOPLE SHOW UP OUT THERE AND WELL, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THESE TVS OR I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, TAKE, PUT THEM ON THE COUNTY ROAD, PUT 'EM IN THE COUNTY ROAD.

AND SO, BUT UH, WE HAVE HAD TRAINING AND I KNOW, UH, UH, A COUPLE OF Y'ALL MAY KNOW ME, BUT WE'VE HAD TRAINING ABOUT HOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC.

MY OFFICE MANAGER AND I, THE PUBLIC'S ALWAYS RIGHT.

EVEN WHEN THE WRONG, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE WRONG, THERE'S NO REASON TO GET SOME OF Y'ALL'S TAXPAYERS UPSET ABOUT WHERE THE CONTAINER IS.

OR IF OUR GUYS ARE LATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE TO ROLL WITH THE FLOW.

AND WHETHER Y'ALL WANT TO ADMIT IT OR NOT, THEY THINK WE'RE COFFEE COUNTY.

IT SAYS COUNTY, JUST LIKE THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT SAYS COUNTY, NOW Y'ALL ARE INVITED TO COME OUT THERE ANY TIME, LUNCHTIME PROBABLY THE BEST TIME, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYBODY TO COME OUT THERE ANYTIME, SEE OUR OPERATION, COME OUT THERE UNANNOUNCED, BUT WE CAN'T CONTINUE AND NOT JUST MONEYWISE.

AND I HATE TO ADMIT THAT WE CAN'T JUST CONTINUE, UH, IN UH, UH, UH, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY THE SAME LOCATION.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, EVEN YOUR LOCATION, WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE RECYCLING MATERIAL ALL THE TIME.

UH, ARE WE GONNA NEED MORE EQUIPMENT? YEAH.

BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT TO UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS GOT EQUIPMENT PROBLEMS BEFORE BAYLORS IS NOT GONNA KEEP IT GOING FOR COFFMAN COUNTY.

AND WE DO NEED TO MOVE ON.

BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE A BOARD I THINK THAT DR.

ERS IS ON, AND I DUNNO WHO ELSE IS ON THE BOARD.

THEY'RE AWARE OF THE, UH, OF YOUR BUDGET SITUATION, I SUPPOSE.

YEAH.

I LOVE DEALING WITH MY BOARD.

AS MUCH AS I ENJOY DEALING WITH THAT ON OKAY, WE TRY TO BE ONE THING, I BE REALLY HAPPY.

HAPPY.

WELL, THERE'S NO REASON TO GET UPSET, STRESSED OUT, YOU KNOW, STRESSED ABOUT IT.

SOMETIMES, UH, THINGS ARE GOING INCREDIBLY SMOOTH AND SOMETIMES THINGS ARE JUST GOING TO RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN HAND.

I, I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WHEN WE STARTED THIS, UH, CO-OP.

I KNOW JUDGE T WAS HERE, I THINK WHEN HE STARTED IT, RIGHT.

STARTED OUT OR MAYBE IT'S VACCINE BEFORE.

YES.

AND IT WAS BE A CO-OP AND THE COUNTY'S FUNDING WAS TO BE PHASED OUT OVER A PERIOD, FIVE OR SIX YEARS.

OBVIOUSLY THAT HADN'T HAPPENED.

WELL, I'LL ARGUE WITH YOU ON THAT.

BUT THAT AGREEMENT IS, IS, IS LONG GONE.

AND YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING, BUT, YEAH.

WELL WE HAVE AGREEMENT THAT'S, YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, MANY DECADES, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE COUNTY NEEDS TO CLASSIFY AS THE DEPARTMENT OF THE COUNTY THAT CLASSIFIES AS THE DEPARTMENT OF THE COUNTY.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING EQUIPMENT FIXED OR WHEN IT COMES TO INVENTORY ON OUR STUFF, YOU KNOW WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU.

YOU BEEN DESIGNATED JUDGE DEPARTMENT OF THE COUNTY.

WELL, I GOT THE PAPERWORK TO PROVE IT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL COME OUT THERE AND AUDIT OUR EQUIPMENT

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AND AUDIT OUR, IT WAS ON THE GRANT, BUT YEAH.

ANYWAY, WE, WE NEED TO MOVE ON AND WELL, I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING THE PERSON RIGHT BEFORE LUNCH.

YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.

HALF LUNCH IS WORSE.

WE ALL GO TO SLEEP.

UH, Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK AND COME BACK UP? IS EVERYBODY OKAY? I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.

TRY TO BE BACK UP ONE O'CLOCK.

THAT'D BE GOOD PROBLEM.

GOOD DEAL.

NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT THREE MONTH, THREE MONTH DEAL.

OKAY.

YEAH.

IDEAS, WHATEVER.

GOOD TRIP.

YEAH, IT'S, AND I THINK WE GOT, WE WERE AT EMPLOYEE INSURANCE AND, UH, WORKERS' COMPENSATION.

HAVE THEY SENT US OUR UNION FIGURES? UH, YET ON THAT THEY COME IN AND DECEMBER.

YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE LATER IN THE YEAR.

YES.

BUT WE'LL GET MEDICAL AND DENTAL COMING UP IN THE NEXT YEAH.

BUT ON WORKERS' COMP, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE, UH, WHAT DID, IS THAT WHAT WE ACTUALLY PAID? AND WHEN DID WE PAY IT? I THINK WE, I THINK WE GET THAT NUMBER IN LIKE DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

WE, THE WORKERS' COMP, UHHUH, , WE TAKE THAT QUARTERLY.

OKAY.

SO IS THIS THROUGH, WE PAID THROUGH JUNE.

WE HAVE ONE MORE QUARTER TO PAY.

I THINK JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT IS THE PAGE FROM THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET.

THIS ISN'T THE SAME WORKSHEET AS WE'RE EMAILING EVERYONE ELSE.

SO I, I KIND OF, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET THROUGH MARCH 31.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

UH, THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

YES.

YEAH, BECAUSE BASICALLY THESE NUMBERS WOULD'VE BEEN FOR ROUGHLY EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS OF LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

OKAY.

SO WHERE ARE WE ON THAT, ON THAT NUMBER NOW? I SHOW, WELL, JUST WHAT IS THE 20 WE JUST PAID? WE JUST PAID IN JUNE.

SO WE HAVE, UH, PAID $305, 305,496.

WE'RE PAYING ABOUT, I HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF IT'S NINE ONE, BUT THEN THEY SENT US AN EXTRA EXTRA BILL OF ABOUT 30 SOMETHING THOUSAND I THINK.

YEAH.

IT, WE HAD TO PAY, WE USED IT BUDGET ABOUT PRETTY, PRETTY TIGHT.

WHEN DID THAT COME IN? TODAY? I WAS, FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT IT HAD DECLINED SOME BECAUSE WE HAD DONE A BETTER JOB ON CLAIMS AND STUFF, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT DOESN'T, YEAH, LAST YEAR WE WIND UP PAYING THEM 340 2003 42.

OKAY.

AND IS THAT THEY'LL GET, THERE MIGHT BE A REFUND AT SOME POINT.

I GUESS WHEN THEY AUDIT IT, THERE COULD BE A REFUND AS WELL.

IS THAT, I'M NOT SURE.

UNEMPLOYMENT, WE GET UNEMPLOY.

WE, THEY DON'T AUDIT WORKERS' COMP AND, AND, UH, THEY SHOULD AUDIT WORKERS' COMP AND REFUND IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW WE USUALLY SEE A REFUND FROM UNEMPLOYMENT.

LET FIND OUT IF THAT'S AUDITABLE.

DID YOU BRING, DON'T COME BACK.

I, LET'S LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN, UH, ON, I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE ANY HOW LONG HAVE WAS WAY BEFORE THAT? WE'VE BEEN WITH THEM FOR YEARS.

YEARS, YEARS AND YEARS.

YEAH.

THAT'S PRESENTATION.

SOMEBODY TELLING WHAT DID GRAN PRESENTATION HERE? YES.

NEXT WEDNESDAY.

YOU MARRIED THE, NOT AGAIN JUDGE WOOD.

YES, MA'AM.

PRIOR YEAR WE PAID 351 6 9 9 WHEN THEY CAME IN AND DID THEIR AUDIT ON 2016.

YES MA'AM.

IT WAS 385.

1 0 5.

SO WE HAD TO PAY HIM AN NET 33.

4 0 6.

SO WE BETTER LEAVE IT.

PROBABLY WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE NOW IS, IS THAT WHAT WE ADOPTED? 3 85.

500.

YEAH.

USUALLY WHAT I DO ON THE BIG SALARY SPREADSHEET, WE HAVE THOSE CALCULATED AT THE CURRENT RATES.

YEAH.

BUT I ALWAYS JUST PUT IN LIKE AN EXTRA 5% JUST IN CASE THERE'S AN INCREASE JUST TO GIVE THERE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER.

ALRIGHT.

USUALLY GET THOSE, THE RATES AND THEN WE PUT INPUT THOSE NUMBERS AND WE GET A BETTER COST OF, YOU KNOW.

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OKAY.

UNEMPLOYMENT.

UH, WHAT WE, WE, WE BUDGET, UH, 90,000.

YES SIR.

AND THAT'S THE ONE WE USUALLY GET THE REFUND.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON 2015, WE ACTUALLY, WE DID GOOD.

WE DID GOOD.

YEAH.

AND LEMME GIVE YOU THE HISTORY, REMEMBER THAT BEFORE WE HAD A HR DEPARTMENT, WE, OUR HR STAFF AND OUR, UH, WORKERS' COMP, WE, IT WAS, UH, I THINK I TOLD YOU ONE OF THE FIRST VISITS I HAD WAS KIND GOOD TAX.

Y'ALL HAVE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR HR.

Y'ALL ARE PAYING HIGHER, HIGHEST, THIRD HIGHEST RATE IN STATE.

SO WE'VE DONE OTHER GOOD THINGS THAN THAT.

SO THAT'S HELPED BRING IT DOWN.

BUT WE PAID THAT QUARTERLY AND IT'S FIRST TWO QUARTERS WERE LIKE 22,000.

THIS LAST QUARTER WAS LIKE 16,000.

SO IT'S GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

UH, LET ME CHECK BACK THE FOLLOWING YEAR, UM, WE PAID 22,000, 21,000.

AND THEN BACK IN, UM, JUNE OF LAST YEAR, WE PAID 'EM 19,000.

BUT THEN THEY SENT US A CHECK AS A REFUND FROM THE AUDIT OF 30, UH, 35,000 A LITTLE BIT OVER.

SO THAT'S WHY WE ONLY WIND UP PAYING 19,000 FOR THE YEAR.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CUT THAT FIGURE BACK QUITE A BIT, I WOULD THINK THEN.

WELL, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR, UM, I, I I MEAN PERSONALLY, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON YOUR, UH, TURNOVER RATE TOO.

IF OUR TURNOVER RATE'S A LITTLE HIGHER, WE MIGHT WANT TO KIND OF, WELL, WE CERTAIN DON'T NEED THE BUDGET 90,000.

NO, WE DON'T.

I THINK WE NEED, AND I'VE WON THE LAST FOUR OUT OF FOUR.

YEAH.

HERE.

SO, SO WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WHAT DID WE GET? WE GOT, UH, WE GOT A REBATE FOR 150,000.

HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE.

I'M GETTING IT FOR YOU.

UH, IN 2015 WE GOT $67,551 REFUND.

AND SO, AND WE WERE TOLD LORI FLOYD HAD FOUND OUT FROM THAT THE SECOND YEAR WE WOULD GET ANOTHER REFUND, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET A REFUND THIS YEAR, YEARS BEFORE WE PAID LAST YEAR.

UH, HOLD ON.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT REFUND.

22,000.

THAT'S WHY THE ACTUAL 2050 IS SO LOW.

I WOULD EASILY THINK WE COULD CUT THAT JACKSON HALF TO, UH, 40, MAYBE 40, 45.

YOU GOOD? 45.

WE PAID 21, 24, 25 AND 20.

AND THEN THEY GAVE 68,000 BACK.

YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON HOW WELL WE DOCUMENT PEOPLE WOULD FIRE.

YEAH, WELL, YEAH.

AND IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE LEGITIMATE TERMINATION, DID YOU COME TO THAT WORKSHOP? THAT WOULD BE A NO.

WHAT? THEY HAD A WORKSHOP ON THAT.

ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND STUFF WERE THEY I WAS WORKING.

OH, OKAY.

SO WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO PUT IT AT? UH, LET'S CUT IT IN HALF TO 45 AND WE'LL KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED AS WE DO.

WE, THAT WAS NOTHING.

WE, WE WERE NOT EVEN APPEALING, UH, CASES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPEALING.

SO YEAH.

SO THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

UH, BANK CHARGES AND CHECKS, UH, WE NEED, UH, LEAVE THAT ALONE.

OKAY.

THAT HAS TO DO WITH US ORDER, UH, THE STUFF THAT WE NEED, LIKE FOR THE DA'S, IF WE HAVE ANY FEES THAT ARE CHARGED AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S HARD TO ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW? YES, SIR.

LISA, I THINK YOU'RE WORKING ON OUR BANK.

UH, CONTRACT IS UP THIS YEAR.

KAREN, WHEN WE GET THROUGH WITH THIS, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND SEE IF WE MAY NEED TO TWEAK ANYTHING OR CHANGE ANYTHING ACCORDING TO THE LAST, THE LAST, UH, RFP THAT WENT OUT FOR THAT.

OKAY.

THE REPOSITORY BANK DID, I THINK WE EXTENDED IT, BUT I THINK IT DOES HAVE TO GO OUT AGAIN THIS TIME.

I BELIEVE.

REMEMBER WE'RE ON OUR LAST LIFECYCLE.

OKAY.

AND THEY ON OFFICE SUPPLIES.

UH, THAT IS PAPER.

TELL US ABOUT THAT.

IT'S A PAPER IN IT.

IT'S PAPER IN IN INK AND I DON'T KNOW, I THAT ONE IS KIND, IT'S A FREE FOR ALL.

IT IS.

I MEAN, ANYONE WHO GETS PAPER, INK, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED, UH, GENERAL OFFICE SUPPLIES THAT THE ENTIRE COUNTY MAY USE.

SO LIKE ENVELOPES, JUST BLANK ENVELOPES.

HE ONLY GETS CHARGED ANYTHING TO THIS BUDGET.

AND SO WE'VE, WE HAVE BEEN GOING SHORT FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

WE INCREASED IT LAST YEAR UP TO 150,000.

WE MAY NOT USE THAT THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO TELL HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE GONNA ACTUALLY USE.

WE SPENT 81 9 SOME

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POINT.

YES SIR.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD BUY IN BULK AND HAVE ONE PLACE LIKE OUR OTHER SUPPLIES IN THE, THE REQUISITIONS SEND ME TWO CASES OF PAPERS INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY BUYING IT HERE, BUYING IT THERE.

YOU'D HAVE TO SET UP A WHOLE SEPARATE DEPARTMENT TO HANDLE THAT.

YEAH, I KNOW.

MY DEPARTMENT CAN'T HANDLE IT.

IT'S EITHER THAT OR YOU CUT THIS BUCKET OUT AND INCREASE EVERYONE ELSE'S OFFICE.

THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY MAKE THEM BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY, RATHER THAN WHENEVER THEY GO ORDER.

SOME OF THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS HAVE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY USE, SO I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS, BUT IN MY OPINION, SOME OF THE ORDERS THAT COME THROUGH, YOU'RE LIKE GOING, HOLY COW.

I MEAN IT LIKE CASES AND CASES AND CASES.

SO FIVE, $6,000 ORDER JUST FOR PAPER IN.

OH, WHAT, WHAT ELSE IS, I MEAN, PAPER OBVIOUSLY IS OFTEN SUPPLIES, INK, ALL THE TONER AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE Y'ALL ALLOW ON THAT BECAUSE LIKE 98% OF IT IS GONNA BE PAPER TONER, INK.

AND I KNOW THE SCHOOL WENT TOGETHER ONE TIME ON A CO-OP, BUT ON PAPER FOR ALL THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTY.

AND WE CUT THE PER CASE PRICE DOWN.

LIKE IT WAS ALMOST TWO THIRDS OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD BEEN PAYING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PUT THIS OUT FOR BID.

IT WENT OUT FOR BID, UH, ABOUT FIVE MONTHS.

IT'S BEEN OUT IN BID SEVERAL TIMES.

BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IT WAS PUT OUT TO BID IN, YOU KNOW, TER OFFICE ONE BID.

WELL THEN, UH, TER OFFICE WAS BOUGHT OUT BY FURMAN'S AND FURMAN'S IS ACTUALLY ON, UH, ONE OF THE STATE CONTRACTS.

SO IT HAS BEEN CONTRACTED.

THESE PRIMES HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED OUT.

JUST OKAY, YOU KNOW, PRIME EXAMPLE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE 40 CASES COST US ABOUT $1,200 40 CASES OF PAPER.

IS THAT FOR THE YEAR? NO SIR.

HE'S JUST GIVING YOU, FOR INSTANCE, OF A ORDER WHY WE NEED TO DO AWAY WITH PAPER.

WE NEED TO, I MEAN, I KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT PAPERLESS SOCIETY.

YEAH.

WHEN THEY PASSED THE PAPER.

EVER SINCE THEN, I SWEAR EVERYBODY 10 TIMES AS MONEY TRYING TO RID MAIL'S NOT TO OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX, BUT IF EACH DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY HAD TO BUDGET FOR THAT, I PERSONALLY THINK YOU MIGHT SEE THAT COST COME DOWN SOMEWHAT.

BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT PEOPLE THEY KNOW IT'S NOT IN THEIR BUDGET.

IT IS NOT MY BUDGET.

SO I'M JUST GONNA YES.

RIGHT.

YOU YES.

HAVE EACH DEPARTMENT BUDGET OR OWN THEM AND THEN THEY, AND THEY LOOK FOR ANY WAY THEY CAN TO PUT IT UNDER THIS GENERAL STUFF.

YEAH.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, I HAD A COLOR PRINTER IN MY OFFICE.

OKAY.

AND IT HAS FOUR CARTRIDGES IN IT.

AND I HAD, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE FEBRUARY AND I'VE NEVER HAD TO ORDER CARTRIDGES.

I USE IT FREQUENTLY, BUT OTHER PEOPLE NEED PRINTER STUFF PRINTED IN COLOR AND THEY'LL ASK ME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A COLOR PRINTER AND I DO IT, BUT THEN I HAD TO ORDER 'EM THE OTHER DAY AND EACH ONE OF THOSE WAS 90 SOMETHING DOLLARS.

YEAH.

THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALRIGHT, LEMME GET YOU.

I USE IT SPARINGLY.

YEAH.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS, WE USED TO HAVE, UH, FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT IN EVERYBODY'S BUDGET.

AND WHAT WE'D HAVE DOING, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, IF THEY HAD USED THAT, THEY'D GO BUY SOMETHING WHETHER THEY NEEDED IT OR NOT.

SO WE MOVED THAT BACK TO PURCHASING AGENT 1500.

AND I'M SURE, I KNOW JACK NEVER DID LIKE IT AND I'M PRETTY SURE YOU DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS SOMETHING.

I'M HESITANT.

I I I'M NOT WORRIED AS MUCH ABOUT OFFICE SUPPLIES DESIGN ABOUT OFFICE EQUIPMENT.

WE DON'T WANT TO PUT, WE DON'T WANT PUT, I SAY SUPPLY AND STUFF AND I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE.

BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SUPPLIES BECAUSE THEY, SO CAN Y'ALL FIGURE OUT AN AMOUNT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COMPARABLE TO EM BASED ON WHAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE USED IN THE PAST AND THEN CUT UP 10? Y'ALL WANT ME TO DO WHAT? ? WELL, CAN YOU FIGURE, I MEAN, 40, CAN YOU, WE STILL HAVE EVERYTHING.

WELL, LIKE Y'ALL USE THE SAME PRINTER UP HERE.

THERE'S SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS THAT USE THAT PRINTER AND THAT PAPER.

Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE THIS LINE ITEM OUT AND GIVE IT OUT TO EVERYBODY.

MAYBE NOT THE FULL 150,000, BUT BECAUSE I MEAN, I I, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOING IN THERE AND SAYING, OH, YOU ORDER 40, I'M GONNA, I GONNA LET YOU HAVE 25.

WELL, I MEAN WE NEED TO BASE IT ON WHAT THEY'VE BEEN USING.

SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE A RECORD FOR THAT.

I GUESS.

WHY, WHY DON'T WE? NO, BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S A NIGHTMARE THE WAY IT'S SITTING THERE MORE LIKELY TO NOT JUST WASTE IT LIKE THEY'RE DOING HERE.

'CAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM THEIR BUDGET.

WELL IT'S JUST A, IT IS FREE.

IT'S A FREEBIE.

SO NO MATTER WHAT IT COST, I WANT IT.

LIKE WE DO, WE HAVE OFFICE SUPPLY AND WE WATCH WHAT WE SPEND WHERE WE'RE ABOUT OUT.

WE

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WHATEVER NUMBER COME UP WITH, IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY BECAUSE I MEAN, IN ORDER TO TRY AND DELEGATE WHICH OFFICE SUPPLIES WENT WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING THROUGH HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF INVOICES.

WELL, LET'S JUST SEND AN EMAIL TO EACH DEPARTMENT, LAURA, NEXT WEEK.

YOU GOTTA HAVE OFFICE SUPPLY BUDGET BASED ON WHAT YOU SPENT LAST YEAR.

SO THE CASE OF PAPER IS X YOU TO TELL WHAT EXACTLY COMES OUT OF THAT LINE ITEM PAPER, D PAPER, E, PENCIL, PEN, PAPER SLIPS.

I, I SUGGEST THAT'S BEFORE WE GET, BEFORE WE GET, BEFORE WE GET CARRIED AWAY.

THEY HAVE OFFICE SUPPLIES IN THEIR BUDGET WHERE THEY GET THEIR PAPER CLIPS, THEIR RUBBER BANDS, THEIR YEAH.

WE GET ALL THAT ON OUR $900 OR A THOUSAND DOLLARS BUDGET I HAVE IS PAPER.

THAT'S IT.

MY GOSH.

AND THE INK SHOULD GO DOWN.

IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT USING PAPER AND WILL NIL, BUT IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT NO ONE'S ACCOUNTABLE.

BUT NO, I'M GONNA BUY 15 BOXES KIND OF BREAKDOWN BECAUSE IT IS BROKEN DOWN BY DEPART ON HIS SIDE.

YOU MIGHT HE COME NOT GIVE US A REPORT.

HE, HE MAY CAN OR AT LEAST GET US CLOSER.

YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING TO DO THIS YEAR.

IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMETHING THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING, WE NEED TO DO SOME KIND SOMETHING LATER ON INTELLIGENT, BE READY FOR DECISION AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ALL YOU NEED.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, JUST LIKE I PULLED UP THAT THEO, OKAY.

THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE'S PHOTOS, ALL THEIR ID STUFF.

AND IT'S IN PAPER, IN A A FILE FOLDER.

IT'S CLASSIFIED AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.

RIGHT.

SO I'M NOT THE AUTHORITY TO TELL THEM, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT.

NO, NO.

I'M SAYING LET THEM SET THEIR BUDGET, NOT YOU TELL EM.

I'M JUST THINKING THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO DO IN SOME SITUATIONS.

YOU KNOW, LIKE OURS OFFICE, THEY COPY THE MONEY.

I SAID, WHAT DO YOU COPY THE MONEY FOR? THAT'S THE ILLEGAL.

WELL WE DO BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY GIVES US CASE, WE COPY IT WITH THE TICKET.

ALL THIS STUFF SO THAT WE CAN PROVE THAT WE TOOK THE MONEY IN THERE AND I SAID, I MEAN SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE SHOULD BE KIND OF SAYING WHAT KIND OF GUIDELINES ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE PRINTING, EVEN COPYING CHECKS.

SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF, I MEAN IT'S JUST TO WRITE IT DOWN, HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT DID YOU SAY? APPROVED? OH, RECEIPT OUT OF 150.

WE'VE SPENT 81 9.

OKAY.

JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS FOR THIS YEAR AND THEN TRY TO DO A ON EXPAND, HOPEFULLY, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET AN INTELLIGENT LOOK AT IT.

RUN US THE REPORT BEFORE WE GO OUT.

UM, WE HAD, I KNOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN ABOUT THREE, FOUR YEARS.

WE HAD SOME OTHERS LIKE WELL THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS NOW YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BID OUT 'CAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM THAT ARE ON STATE CONTRACT.

YOU HAVE UH, LIKE OFFICE DEPOT AND THE, THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM.

I I JUST FIGURED WHEN Y'ALL GO TO YOUR CONFERENCES AND STUFF, THEY'RE PROBABLY THERE.

NO, I GUESS IT'D BE THE PURCHASING CONFERENCES.

.

YEAH, THE PAPER PEOPLE LEAVE US ALONG.

BUT, BUT PEOPLE LIKE PAPER.

OTHER, OTHER, OTHER YOU TALKING GOING LIKE DIRECT YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD GO TO 'EM AND THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, I EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ONE DAY.

I SAID MAYBE WE OUGHT HAVE A WATERMARK PAPER ORDER OUR OWN PAPER AND WATERMARK EVEN BOUGHT AN 18 WHEELER FULL OF PAPER.

WHERE ARE WE GONNA STORE IT? NO, BUT BUT YOU IN THE LIBRARY, I WOULDN'T HAVE PLACE TO SIT SITTING SOMEWHERE HAVE THAT IN IT.

THERE'S NO PROBLEM.

I'M MARK PAPER.

WHO'S GONNA, ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT MANAGE WHO'S GONNA DISTRIBUTE CARRY HOME DO ON THE PAPER.

DO YOU CHECK BRING MY NO, BECAUSE NEED THEY ACTUALLY DO THAT WHENEVER, UH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVER GET THE SAME.

IF YOU OR LORD HELP YOU, IF ANOTHER OFFICE COMES IN AND SAYS, SAYS, CAN I JUST MAKE A COPY? THEY'RE GETTING THE CHEAPER PRICE FOR THE SOUTH NOW.

THEY, I MEAN THEY DON'T PAY ANY MORE THAN THEY CAN FIND SOMEBODY SELLING THAT CHEAPER.

THEY INCREASE THEIR, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL I WEIGH JIM MEAN Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE HAGGLING OVER LESS THAN 1%.

I

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KNOW THIS, I'M AWARE OF THAT, BUT I THINK I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE.

Y'ALL WERE THE ONES THAT BROUGHT IT UP, IF I REMEMBER.

NO, YOU QUESTIONED.

IT'S BEEN ISSUE FOR A WHILE THOUGH, SO ALRIGHT.

SO MUCH FOR THAT CENTER AROUND MOVING ON.

MUCH ABOUT MOVING ON.

SORRY, I BROUGHT IT UP.

YEAH, SHUT UP.

TAKE PROGRAM.

THAT IS UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN HR.

YEAH, WE, WE GET THAT MONEY BACK AND IT'S FOR HR TO DO THIS WELLNESS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO WE KIND OF CARRY THAT AMOUNT FOR SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE SPENT SOME OF IT.

WE DON'T GET THE INVOICES.

SEPTEMBER TO PAY, YOU KNOW.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS LINE ITEM.

WHERE DO WE, WHERE DO WE SEND IT ON EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION? HOW ABOUT THAT ONE? I JUST DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WHERE ALL THESE THAT, THAT, UH, CASSIE'S THE COORDINATOR, CASSIE AND TIFFANY ARE THE COORDINATORS FOR THAT.

YES, I KNOW.

I JUST DIDN'T, I NEVER HEARD OF THERE BEING ANY MONEY SPENT.

SO I'LL FIND OUT.

I THINK THEY DID THAT FOR LIKE THE, WAS IT ALL THESE LITTLE PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH ALL YOUR STEPPING AND LOGGING YOUR WATER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THEY COORDINATE ALL THAT AND YOU PAY LIKE PER PERSON.

I, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE LUNCHEON TO GIVE, GIVE THE PEOPLE THEIR AWARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

MONEY COMES FROM IT.

IT'S, IT COMES FROM TAC.

YES SIR.

I MEAN THEY SPENT AT WALMART.

THE OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD AN EVENT.

SO THAT, THAT EXPLAINS OKAY, I'LL THEY GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS THE MORE MONEY THE COUNTY GETS BACK.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

HEALTH OFFICER, THAT'S DR.

PORTNER AND HE CONTINUES TO SERVE, I BELIEVE IN THAT.

HE'S NOW AN EMPLOYEE I BELIEVE.

YES SIR.

OKAY.

LEGAL ADS.

UH, WE BUDGETED 5,500.

UH, THAT'S, I DUNNO.

UH, WHAT DID WE SPEND PROBABLY, UH, AS OF WE SPENT $1,600.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT.

IS THAT LEGAL EDGE FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT OR? YES.

I MEAN LAST YEAR WE SPENT 3,600.

I MEAN, IT, IT KIND OF GOES UP AND DOWN.

YOU'LL PROBABLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THE A THE TAX RATES, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, IF THERE'S ANY, AND THE, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, NOTIFICATION OF PAYROLL AND STUFF.

SO IT MIGHT BE BE CUT DOWN.

I'D HAVE TO ASK THAT LAURA AND RHONDA HAVE TO PUBLISH ON OUT OF THEIR OFFICES.

IS IT PAID OUT OF HERE? NO, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.

OUT OF OPERATING EXPENSES OUTTA YOUR SUCH, THAT'S A SMALL AMOUNT.

YOU SPENT 4,615.

IT DOESN'T SHOW SIXTEENS AT THE END.

IT WAS ABOUT 3,600.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT THERE.

BUT I MEAN YOU TALKING $800, YOU MIGHT SPEND THAT MUCH THIS YEAR.

YEAH, IF WE DO EXTRA IN THE, ALL THE NOTIFICATIONS ON THE HEARINGS, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TAX RATE IS YET.

WELL, WE HAD TO DO THAT LAST YEAR.

I KNOW.

UH, BECAUSE WE WENT ABOVE THE, WE DIDN'T GO ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE, BUT WE WENT ABOVE THE EFFECT.

YEAH.

AND SO, AND HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT SO FAR? IT'S UH, 1647.

YOU NEVER KNOW.

I'D SAY EVEN LIKE IT IS, YOU SPENT 47.

YOU SPENT 47, YOU DON'T SPEND IT, IT'LL ROLL BACK ANYWAY.

I JUST LEAVE IT LIKE MONEY.

THE NEXT ONE IS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND THAT'S CERTAINLY IS HARD THIS YEAR.

TELL US WHAT ALL WE PAID FOR OUT OF THAT.

I KNOW, UH, VARIOUS UNDER THINGS.

THAT'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING.

THE MAJORITY OF IT'S BEEN THAT SEAWAY CRUDE.

YEAH.

AT THAT WHERE IT COMES OUT.

YES.

AT ONE POINT THERE WAS THE ONE OH K PIPELINE COMING OUT THERE.

I KNOW WE ALSO, THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BILL OUT OF THERE, THE, SOME OF THAT SEAWAY PIPELINE WAS PAID LAST YEAR I THINK.

YES TOO.

SO THAT'S, THIS IS NOT CUMULATIVE.

NO, NO, NO.

AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ONCE Y'ALL GET THAT SETTLED RIGHT, SOME OF THAT MONEY WILL BE PUT IN THE DIFFERENT VARIOUS ROAD BRIDGES THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT.

BUT THEY'RE GONNA PAY A PORTION OF THIS BACK TO DO MY FUND.

YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE LEGAL.

YEAH.

A SMALLER PORTION OF IT.

I THINK ALL THE COP HANDLING THING IS THAT YOU GUYS SIGN OFF ON THOSE GET PAID OUT HERE.

AND THEN THE ATTORNEY THAT Y'ALL HAD DOING THE, THE RIDE OF PLAY, WHAT'S HIS NAME? I CAN'T THINK OF IT OFF.

JOHN LEY? YEAH.

MOLEY IS PAID THERE TOO.

OKAY.

HOW MUCH WE SPEND SO FAR OUT IT? HUNDRED 7400 7474.

WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN MAY.

THAT IS,

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YEAH.

AND THEY PAID 26,000 JUST THE OTHER DAY.

THAT'S AND THAT'S IN HERE.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S IN HERE.

YES SIR.

THAT'LL PRETTY MUCH WIPE IT OUT, JUDGE.

WELL, LARGELY THE DA WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY THAT BILL ANYTIME SOON.

SO WE'LL JUST WAIT AND SEE.

ALRIGHT.

UH, IRS UH, FINES AND PENALTIES.

UH, IS THAT WHEN WE PAID THE, UH, BACK IN 15 1 65? IS THAT YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND THEN WE, WE'VE HAD ANOTHER AMOUNT IN, UH, 2016 OF 22.

AND THEN, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PAYING ANYTHING THIS YEAR.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET, GET IT BACK, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

RIGHT.

NOTHING HAS HIT THAT.

NOT GOODNESS.

AND THEN THE OUTSIDE AUDIT, UH, IS UH, BY CONTRACT.

YEAH.

AND IT STAYS THE SAME.

OKAY.

AND POSTAGE.

I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT POSTAGE YESTERDAY.

WE DID.

THERE'S SEND SOMEBODY ELSE.

THERE'S SO MANY BREADS BECAUSE OF THE, THE METERS, THE MACHINES.

OKAY.

WHERE IS THE, WHERE, WHO, WHY ELSE IS THIS? I THINK PRETTY MUCH PITNEY BOWES.

IT'S A MONTHLY CONTRACT AMOUNT.

RIGHT.

98 50 IS THE CONTRACTOR AMOUNT.

AND WE KEEP, WE KEEP FILLING UP THE MACHINE.

98 50 A MONTH.

MM-HMM .

$9,850 A MONTH.

AND THAT INCLUDES POSTS, NOT JUST THE RENTAL OF THE MACHINE.

WELL IT, THE 98 50 GOES INTO A RESERVE ACCOUNT.

YEAH.

THAT THE MACHINE IS LOADED WITH POSTAGE AS IMMEDIATE.

OKAY.

SO IT'S NOT MONTH.

IT DOES, IT'S NOT EVERY MONTH.

YES SIR.

AND IF WE DON'T USE THAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO IT? IT STAYS I GUESS HERE.

I MEAN IT STAYS IN THERE.

DO WE EVER USE MORE THAN THAT? GOOD QUESTION.

HOW MUCH HAVE WE WE DID WHEN WE HAD TO MAIL OUT THE TAX STATEMENTS.

YEAH, WE'RE ALREADY ON IT THIS YEAR.

I WAS PULLING UP ONE OF THE INVOICES JUST TO SEE WHAT IT SAID, BUT HOLD ON.

UH, THUS FOR WE HAVE PAID SPENT 88,009 60.

HOW MUCH IS THAT NOW? I REMEMBER, I BELIEVE JACK WAS INVOLVED IN THIS.

HE WAS, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR BIDS FOR THE DIFFERENT MACHINES.

RIGHT.

AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED.

AND UM, IT WAS THE 98 50 OR 9 5 89.

EIGHT 50 WOULD BE THE AMOUNT THAT WAS APPROVED TO BE PUT AS THE RESERVE.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN ESCROW.

THEY WON'T GIVE YOU POSTAGE IF YOU'RE AT ZERO UNLESS YOU HAVE THAT RESERVE AMOUNT SITTING THERE AND THEY PROCEEDED IT LIKE YOUR TOW TAG, YOU GOTTA PAY THEM AND THEN DOWN SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOAD THE MACHINE FOR THAT AMOUNT IF IT'S OUT.

LIKE MOST COMPANIES DO 34 AND 14, YOU KNOW, AND IT DID GO DOWN SEE IN 2015, WITHIN 120 AND SO FAR THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE LESS 20 16, 32.

AND IF WE HAVE TO, IF THE DA OR MY OFFICE, LIKE I HAVE FEDEX STUFF TO THE IS WHEN WE WERE DOING ALL THIS OR THE DA HAD TO FEDEX SOMETHING OR LAURA HAS TO SEND SOMETHING TO AUSTIN, WHATEVER, SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS USE THAT TO CHARGE FOR FEDEX ALSO.

YEAH.

OKAY.

DOES THE, UH, WHAT IS THE, NOT COUNTING POSTAGE, HOW MUCH IS THE ACTUAL RENTAL OR LEASE OF THAT MACHINE? DO WE KNOW? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON, WASN'T ON THE POSTAGE LOT OF MACHINE.

MINE ALWAYS WAS MINE.

THE MORE YOU USE IT, THE CHEAPER.

I MEAN WE JUST PAID THE 98 50 FOR THE RESERVE ACCOUNT.

AND THAT'S I GUESS EVERYTHING FOR THE, THE, THE MACHINE.

WELL, I MEAN WE, ARE WE BUILDING UP CREDITS THEN? I WONDER OR DO WE KNOW? I HAVE NO IDEA, SIR.

I WASN'T INVOLVED IN IT, SO I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE POST, POST EVERY DEMEANOR AND CHARGE YOU FOR THE POSTAGE.

BUT IF, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF YOU HAVE REGISTERED MAIL, IF YOU CAN DO IT ON THAT MACHINE OR YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SEPARATE? BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING.

YOU DO EVERYTHING ON IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE PRICE.

CAN WE DO THIS CHECK AND JUST SEE WHAT THE LEASE IS? I MEAN, JUST CURIOSITY.

I KNOW IT RENEWED AND IT'D BE JUST CURIOSITY.

WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR? LIKE WE JUST, IT WAS, WE JUST ORDERED THE RED INK TO PUT CARTRIDGES FOR THE STAMP, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, IT IS LIKE $145 CARTRIDGE.

WE PAID TWO $90 CAR RIBS.

OH YOU STAND RIGHT.

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FRED WAS ALLOWED ITEM TWO.

RIGHT.

POSTAGE IN THE FACILITIES BUDGET? NO, I DON'T THINK HIS WAS 150.

NO.

12,000.

SEVEN 50.

OKAY.

12,000.

I GOT SOME OF THE NUMBERS IN HERE.

ONE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THAT SHE'S, BUT WE DO IT FOR ALL SUB COURT HOUSES.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT? I MEAN YEAH, THAT'S TOTAL MAIL.

MAIL.

I SEND IT OVER.

PROPOSE.

WELL THAT'S EVEN IF WE HAVE STUFF BID BID PACKETS THAT GO OUT THERE, GOOD SIZE, YOU KNOW, TAKES CARE OF ALL THE FOLKS DOING ALL THAT.

ALRIGHT.

UH, THIS UH, NEXT ONE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

DIDN'T WE ZERO THAT OUT? YEAH, WE ZEROED.

YES, WE THAT OUT.

WE DIDN'T LEASE.

TELL US, TELL US ABOUT THAT LISA.

HMM.

AND HOW MUCH WE SPENT.

KAREN, I'LL GET THAT WHILE SHE'S TALKING.

DON'T BE BACKTRACKING EITHER, SIS.

GET IT OUT.

FRUSTRATING.

THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING.

YEAH, WE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES.

IT IS.

AND THEY ALL, EVERYBODY COMES UP AT DIFFERENT, WHICH I'M KIND OF GLAD, I'M GLAD THAT, THAT EVERYBODY'S STUFF EXPIRES AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE CONSTANTLY DEALING WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING OVER AND OF COURSE EVERYBODY COMES IN AND OFFERS YOU THE LATEST AND GRANTS AND BADDEST AND BIGGEST.

AND THEN YOU GET A DEPARTMENT THAT WANTS ALL COLOR AND THEY CAN'T JUSTIFY WHY THEY REALLY NEED COLOR.

SO YOU PUT COLOR IN THERE AND THEN THEY DECIDE TO START MAKING EVERYTHING IN COLOR AND IT'S COSTING US 5 CENTS OF COFFEE.

I WOULDN'T COLOR ANYTHING.

AND UH, YOU KNOW, BUT LONG AND SHORT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO GET THIS NUMBER DOWN.

UH, WE HAVE CHANGED OUT A FEW ALREADY.

PROBABLY SIX, EIGHT MACHINES.

UM, NOT WORKING OUT QUITE THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO.

MOST OF THESE ARE ON STATE CONTRACT NOW.

THEY'RE ALL ON STATE CONTRACT.

YES SIR.

UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU GO WITH, YOU CAN, I MEAN, WHOEVER THE VENDOR IS, THEY'RE ALMOST ALL, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S XEROX OR CONICA MINOLTA OR THERE'S CERTAIN DIFFERENT ONES.

AND WE FOUND THE INSTANCE WHERE THEY DIDN'T COME THROUGH PURCHASING AND THE PERSON, THE SALESMAN WOULD JUST GO OUT TO THE DIFFERENT OFFICES AND SELL 'EM WHATEVER THEY THOUGHT WAS TO US, SOME GREATEST LEAST SAID HAD STOP SOMETHING.

IT NEEDS TO COME THROUGH OUR OFFICE.

UM, SO THAT WAS HANDLED APPROPRIATELY.

I HOPE SO.

WELL THE AND AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THAT XEROX GOT BOOTED FROM SOME OF 'EM.

'CAUSE SHE JUST GOT TO WHERE SHE WAS GOING OUT AND RENEWING THE, SHE WASN'T RENEWING THE RENEWAL.

STILL HAD TO COME THROUGH THE OFFICE.

YEAH.

BUT SHE WAS GOING OUT AND MEETING.

AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, YOU, YOU HAVE TO MEET WITH THE END USER TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ACTUALLY ARE.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SALES PERSON MEETING WITH WHAT AN END, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA WANT ALL THE APPLE, THIS AND THAT.

THEY'RE GONNA WANT EVERYTHING YOU CAN GET ON IT.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR MEETING, YOUR BASIC NEEDS, NOT ALL YOUR WANTS.

SO THAT WE, WE RAN INTO SOME ISSUES THERE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, GETTING EVERYBODY'S CONTRACTS RENEWED.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING WHEN WE MET WITH Y'ALL MET WITH THE EXTENSION OFFICE THAT WE DID NOT BRING UP BECAUSE WE ALWAYS GET CHARGED EXTRA BECAUSE OF ALL THE EXTRA COPY, COLOR COPIES WHEN, IF IT'S BROCHURES AND FLYERS FOR THE SCHOOLS AND PROGRAMS, THEY CAN TAKE THAT AND HAVE THAT PRINTED A LOT, LOT CHEAPER THAN THE COPIER MAKING THEM AND THE COMPANY CHARGING US.

I HAD THE BILL, I HAD THE XEROX BILL FOR HIS, HIS DEPARTMENT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT, I I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE RIGHT JUST TO PUT HIM ON BLAST ON ALL THAT.

BUT I, I DO FEEL LIKE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME COST SAVINGS THERE IF THEY WENT TO ONE OF THE LOCAL PRINTERS OR SOMETHING TO SEE BECAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR BASIC RENT IS 400 AND SOMETHING DOLLARS A MONTH BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE BELLS, WHISTLES AND FOLDS AND LINKS AND STAMPS AND STAPLES.

IT DOES ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION.

OH.

AND, AND I MEAN THAT'S ALL FINE AND GOOD, BUT THEY BOUGHT THAT TO DO ALL THAT WHENEVER IT'S COSTING YOU A LOT OF MONEY TO PRODUCE THOSE COPIES.

AND IT WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO GET SOMETHING TOGETHER, A FLYER OR PAMPHLET OR WHATEVER TO TAKE IT TO YOUR LOCAL PRINTER.

A QUICK COPY AND DONE REALLY CHEAP.

IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD LIKE A KINKOS OR A MM-HMM .

OR ONE OF THOSE IN THE COUNTY.

BUT MY OFFICE, WE DON'T HAVE ONE ANYWHERE I'M SURE.

NO, BUT WE HAVE, THERE'S SEVERAL PRINTERS.

THERE'S SEVERAL PRINT SHOP, DIFFERENT PRINT SHOPS THAT WE USE.

WE USE ONE PRIMARILY, BUT I STILL SHOP AT IT.

BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS THEY'RE OUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND OUT COUNTY, THEY CAN BE STOPPED BY AND HAVE PRINTED.

AND THAT'S, I WANTED TO DO THAT.

NOT, LIKE I SAID,

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THAT'S WHY I HAD THAT.

GONNA DO THAT.

I WANT SOMEBODY TO DO IT TO ME.

SO HOW MUCH OF EXPENSE, OKAY, OUT OF THE UM, 83 5 WE'VE SPENT 47 6.

OKAY.

SO WE PROBABLY GONNA BE OKAY.

YEAH.

THIS YEAR.

YEAH.

WE ADDED, WE ADDED SEVERAL PRINTERS TO THIS, UH, OUT OF THE JAIL.

GEORGE UH, HAD GOTTEN ONE OF THE SALESPEOPLE THAT HAD COME IN WITH CONTA TO TRY TO CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THIS INK CASE STANDS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE, ON THE OFFICE SUPPLIES.

'CAUSE LIKE KAREN SAID, THE UH, SO HAS TO MAKE NUMEROUS COLOR COPIES OF, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE ALL THEIR STUFF AND PUT IT IN A FOLDER.

SO THEY GO THROUGH A LOT OF INK AND THIS SAYS A LOT OF PAPER.

WE HAVEN'T GOT TO DO THAT NOW.

IT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE PAPER, BUT IT WOULD FOR THE INK.

IT WOULD.

AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TRY TO MAKE A COST COMPARISON AND, AND SEE IF THAT'S HELPING OR NOT.

I DUNNO.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE THEY'RE, UH, ORDERS HAVE COME DOWN SOME NOT AS FREQUENT.

'CAUSE THEY WERE ORDERING ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.

WELL, WE MONITORED I THINK THIS YEAR.

LET'S JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.

WE DON'T SPEND IT, WE DON'T SPEND IT.

COME BACK.

UH, YEAH.

INSURANCE DEDUCTIBLE.

THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE A CLAIM.

I GUESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY ZEROED THAT OUT BECAUSE WE NEVER USED IT.

OKAY.

ANYTIME THEY DO THE INSURANCE DEDUCTIBLE, THEY JUST TAKE IT OUT OF THE CHECK TO GIVE US.

YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS INSURANCE.

UH, PROPERTY AND LIABILITY.

YEAH.

GENERAL LIABILITY.

AND TO, WE ZEROED THAT OUT 'CAUSE YOU ASKED US TO SPLIT IT OUT IN TWO, TWO SEPARATE BUDGET LAST YEAR.

AND SO THAT COMES DOWN TO INSURANCE, AUTO LIABILITY AND BUDGETED A HUNDRED THOUSAND EVERY RENEW IN JANUARY.

YEAH.

AND DON'T WE GET, DO WE GET ANY KIND OF HEADS UP OR QUOTE OR ANYTHING AHEAD OF TIME? YEAH, WE, YEAH, WE'LL GET A QUOTE.

I'LL GET ALL THAT PROBABLY IN THE FALL, MID-FALL.

I'LL GET ALL THE RENEWAL STUFF FOR ALL OF THAT WE MIGHT LAST MINUTE TO SO WHY DID IT EXPAND, SIR? SO FAR WE'VE SPENT 99,081.

REALLY? YEAH.

AND THAT'S AND THAT'S A ONE PAYMENT? YEAH, IT'S ONE ONE POUND PAYMENT.

OKAY.

AND SO THE, WE GET RID OF VEHICLES NOW THOUGH.

WE'RE MY VEHICLE, WE'RE GETTING RID OF VEHICLE.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER OR RECALL WHEN WE HAD COMMISSIONER'S COURT A MONTH, TWO WEEKS AGO, THREE WEEKS AGO, I HAD TOLD YOU THAT'S WHY THE BILLS WERE SO HIGH BECAUSE WE PAY SOME OF THOSE INSURANCE, THE PREMIUMS BECAUSE WE PAY 'EM ONE TIME A YEAR.

RIGHT.

AND THE VEHICLES ARE ADDED LEAVING ONCE A YEAR.

RIGHT.

SO IF THEY INSURE 'EM, I SEND THEM, BUT THEY DON'T THE BILL, THEY DON'T ADD A BILL TO IT.

IT'S ONLY ONE ADJUSTMENT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND THEN LIFE INSURANCE, THIS IS THE, UH, COUNTY'S RIGHT.

COST OF THE LIFE INSURANCE OF WHAT WE PAY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

YES, SIR.

SO EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT WE DO.

AND THAT REFRESH OUR MEMORIES.

THE, IS THIS THE T-C-D-R-S-A? I THINK SO.

I WOULD THINK SO, YEAH.

OKAY.

THE, THE, YOUR RETIREMENT POLICY, YOU HAVE YOUR RETIREMENT AND IT ALSO COMES WITH THE $5,000.

RIGHT.

LIFE INSURANCE POLICY FOR YOU, UM, YOUR SPOUSE.

AND I THINK AFTER RETIREMENT IT GOES FOR TWO YEARS.

SO AS LONG AS THERE WAS A DEPOSIT MADE INTO YOUR T-C-D-R-S ACCOUNT FOR UP TO TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU RETIRED, YOU ALSO GET THAT, THAT LIFE INSURANCE, WHICH IS THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE 9.71% GOES INTO THAT FUND.

THAT FUND THE PAYROLL SYSTEM.

THOSE OUT EACH MONTH.

A REPORT AND LIKE FOR MAY IT WAS NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS.

WE HAD 530 EMPLOYEES.

GROSS EARNINGS OF THOSE WAS 1.7 MILLION BELOW WITH SOME CHANGE.

AND THE, OUR PORTION OF THAT, IT'S YOU GO INTO PAYROLL MAINTENANCE TO CHANGE THOSE.

WHEN ONCE WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION FROM TAX AND TCRS, OUR PART OF IT WAS $5,639 AND 8 CENTS FOR MAY.

EACH ONE IS NOT, IS NOT GONNA BE THE SAME AMOUNT BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE AND WHAT THE GROSS WAGES WERE.

YEP.

OKAY.

SO IF OUR, WELL, IF OUR NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES INCREASES, NATURALLY THAT NUMBER IS GONNA INCREASE.

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IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY ACTUALLY GO OVER BUDGET THIS YEAR.

SO IT 72,000 THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT.

WE MAY NEED TO UP IT JUST A SNITCH.

75, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

JUST 15 WE'RE ON, CUT IT PRETTY CLOSE.

WE MIGHT BE THREE OR 4,000 SHARP SO THAT, SO YOU GO TO 76.

WELL, AND SEE WE HADN'T GOT THE RATE YET.

WELL YEAH WE DID FROM T-C-D-R-S, BUT IF Y'ALL ADD MORE EMPLOYEES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADJUST IT.

RIGHT.

THEN THE GROWTH WAGES ARE GONNA BE MORE.

SO THEN THE, OUR PORTION WILL BE MORE, WELL LET'S GO TO 76.

76.

THAT BE WE CLOSE COMES TO WESTERN TRANSFERRED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND THEN ON PUBLIC OFFICIALS INSURANCE.

UH, TELL US ALL ABOUT THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE BUDGETED 95,000 AND WE PAID 72 2 0 7.

UM, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

I'LL PULL THE BIG ONE UP.

UH, TEXAS ASSOCIATION COUNTY'S, WE PAID THEM BACK IN DECEMBER ONCE A YEAR LAST YEAR.

AND, UM, IT'S JUST, I MEAN THEY, THEY SEND US ALL THIS AT ONE TIME.

THE AUTO, THE PHYSICAL DAMAGE, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT GENERAL LIABILITY AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIABILITY WAS THE 69 2 0 7 AND WE PAY IT ONE TIME A YEAR.

WE ALSO PAY THE TEXAS LAWYER INSURANCE FOR JUDGE WOOD AND JUDGE CHITTY OUTTA THIS LIKE $1,500.

ONCE A YEAR.

YEAH, ONCE A YEAR.

SO IT, HOW MUCH YOU SAY WE PAID UNTIL 4 7 6 72? UH, YEAH, 72 THAT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, NOT ALL OF IT WAS TAX ON, ON IT WAS ONLY 69, 2 0 7 THAT WE PAID TAX ON THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

UH, I GUESS MOST OF THIS IS INSURANCE CASE.

THERE'S FRAUD OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, LATER DOWN THE ROAD IT KIND OF PROTECT IT'S KIND OF MALPRACTICE.

YEAH.

THERE'S A COST TO COVER THE UH, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

YES.

FOR SUITS THAT MIGHT, I THINK THEY HAVE A SEPARATE YES, IT DOES.

I THINK THEY HAVE A SEPARATE POLICY TOO, I BELIEVE.

I MEAN WE, WE PAID ALL AT ONE TIME AND WE HAD TO SPLIT UP BETWEEN DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS.

WHAT IS THAT? SHOULD WE LEAVE TO NINE FIVE OR CAN? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY CLAIMS YOU'VE HAD THIS YEAR.

AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY TURNED INTO CLAIMS, BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TURN INTO CLAIMS THAT WOULD INCREASE THAT IF THEY HAD TO PAY OUT OR HAD TO DEFEND THEM.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO GO UP IF THAT'S THE CASE.

YEAH, I ASSUME WE'VE HAD THAT IN PAST TOO.

YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE OR LESS THAN IN THE PAST.

THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT YOU, I WOULDN'T KNOW.

THERE'S NO WAY TO ESTIMATE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK BACK AT PREVIOUS YEARS WHEN WE PAID THE 84.

THE 83 AND THEN WE, UH, PUT IT BACK UP TO THE, TO THE 95 JUST TO COVER IT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH WAIT MINUTE I'M GONNA GET LINE.

I'M SORRY, 84, 83 AND THEN IT'S WENT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

PROBABLY JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.

WE DON'T SPEND IT.

YEAH.

WE DON'T KNOW.

AND THE NEXT ONE, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S GETTING TIRED.

SO INSURANCE ON PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN RENEWED FOR THE YEAR.

UM, TILL, WELL TILL JUNE, JULY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR.

UM, SO THAT LAST PAYMENT THAT WE MADE WOULD BE THE PREMIUM FOR THE YEAR.

130 2008 54.

1 32.

MM-HMM.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT WE DO GET THE BACK.

THE REBATE.

THE REBATE IS ON EVERY INSURANCE WE HAVE AND THE TAX.

DID YOU EVER GET A REBATE ON PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS.

I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING A REBATE ON THE PROPERTY.

WELL WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE BIG, BIG FOR? THAT'S HOW WE BOUGHT THIS PARKING LOT OVER HERE.

OH GOD.

JUDGE WOULD, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH THAT UP, BUT I REMEMBER, YEAH, I KNOW LAURIE.

NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAURIE WAS THAT WE DIDN'T HEALTH SIDE.

HMM.

WELL I DO TO THE HEALTH.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

OH IT'S PROBABLY THE HEALTH POOL.

YEAH.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE ONE OF THOSE THIS YEAR.

YEAH.

WOULD YOU SPLIT OUT OR CALL TODD ON OR WHAT'S THE POOR FARM COST OF THIS INSURED? TWICE.

THEY CAN'T SPLIT.

IT'S JUST, WE PAY FOR IT ALL GENERALLY AS A PROPERTY.

WELL I KNOW WE DO.

IF HE CAN SPLIT IT, I'LL ASK HIM YET.

SURE.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DEFINED, HAVE WE EVER DEFINED EVERYTHING THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR PROPERTY THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LIST OF ALL THE BUILDINGS.

I KNOW, BUT WE DON'T.

SO IT'S JUST THE BUILDINGS YOU JUST WANT ABOUT

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THE BUILDINGS.

IT'S NOT THE LAND.

WE DON'T WELL I JUST, THE BUILDINGS.

OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST PROPERTY COVERAGE? BUILDINGS ONLY.

BUILDINGS ONLY.

YEP.

OKAY.

WE'RE PAYING, WE'RE PAYING ALL THOSE.

AND BUILDINGS WOULD INCLUDE EQUIPMENT.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EQUIPMENT.

WELL WE GOT THE, WELL THAT TRACTOR OUT THERE, SHOULD YOU YES.

I'LL CALL AND ASK YOU.

I CAN DO IT.

AND I GOT, IT'S NO PROBLEM.

I'VE GOT IT.

I DO IT.

WHAT LIABILITY WOULD COST FOR THEIR ACTUALLY NEED SHOW BARNS ALSO SHOW GROUND SEPARATE.

HE WOULD PREFER THAT WE CALL IT MARIA ANYWAY.

SHOW WHAT? THE SHOW WHAT AND A LIABILITY PORTION BUDGET.

A HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE THIRTY TWO.

SO INSURANCE MOVE ON DOWN ON THE GENERAL BILL.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YEAH.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER COST.

WE ACTUALLY GO OVER BUDGET THIS YEAR.

144.

WE MIGHT NEED TO INCREASE THAT.

YEAH.

BE, EXCUSE ME, GO AHEAD.

WE BUDGETED 17,005 IN THE BILL WAS 17 644.

OKAY, WELL LET'S PULL 18,000.

OKAY.

IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN MOVE IT LATER.

MOVE AROUND LATER ON.

UH, SINGLE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

I THINK THAT'S THE LATEST VALUE.

I, NOT THE VALUE BUT THE LATEST SHARE OF OUR COST.

I BELIEVE AT 4 82.

IS THAT, IS THAT UPDATED? WELL, NO, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET.

OH, OKAY.

I'VE SENT THE, I THINK THE, YES, WE HAVE THAT BUDGET A LOT.

I THINK IT WAS LIKE A WHOLE 7,000.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

IT WAS WHATEVER THAT NUMBER COMES TO BE.

YEAH.

WE PAY 'EM QUARTERLY.

120,000 BY 19 AND SOME CHANGE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER COURT DUES.

THAT'S FOR THE VARIOUS ASSOCIATIONS THAT WE WOULD ALONG TO.

OKAY.

YOUR HONOR.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR.

I WOULD SAY THAT'S AROUND THAT OFF TO 10,000.

THOSE DUES ARE, UH, I DUNNO WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT.

UH, THE ONE AT A M BUT BG YOUNG, YOU KNOW, EVERY STATE WAS CUTTING THAT OR SOMETHING.

SO I WOULD, LET'S INCREASE THAT.

AND IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, I WOULD INCREASE THAT 10,000 AND NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

THAT STAYS PRETTY WELL.

THE SAME.

WELL THIS YEAR YOUR DUES WAS 1,135 AND WE ONLY HAD 1100 IN THERE.

YOU WANT PUT 1200 THEN? SURE.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S FOR.

WHAT THAT IS, THAT'S Y'ALLS COUNTY'S MEMBERSHIP IS TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR FORTY AND WE PAID 24 40.

OKAY.

DOES THAT STAY ABOUT THE SAME? IT'S GOING UP BIT.

YEAH, IT HAS.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PROBABLY'S POPULATION.

MAYBE.

IT MAY BE.

OKAY.

I'M NOT REAL SURE HOW THEY DO THAT.

ALRIGHT.

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, THAT'S THEIR MEMBERSHIP FOR THAT ORGANIZATION.

YEAH.

LEMME UH, LIVE WRAP FUNDS, UH, THAT'S PASSED THROUGH AND I I THINK THE GOVERNOR VETOED THAT, SO WE NEED TO CHECK THAT OUT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I KNOW, I KNOW WE, I WE USUALLY GET A DOCUMENT FROM Y'ALL'S OFFICE SAYING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE THE PASS THROUGH FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

BUT I, I BELIEVE I READ IN PAPER OR IN SOMETHING THAT WE GOT THAT SOME OF THOSE FUNDS WERE VETOED.

I HEARD THAT.

YEAH.

AND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE IS EFFECTIVE FOR NEXT YEAR OR IT'S EFFECTIVE FOR 19.

SO WE'LL NEED TO CHECK THAT.

AND THAT, UH, THAT'S REALLY PASSED THROUGH MONEY.

IS IT? IT IS.

THE ENTIRE AMOUNT COMES IN.

THE ENTIRE AMOUNT GOES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WE DON'T BUDGET FOR IT.

'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT.

YOU SEND US THE LETTER AND THEN WE GO IN AND WE ADJUST FOR THE REVENUE THAT CAME IN AND THE SAME AMOUNT GOES OUT.

YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL CHECK ON THAT.

BUT I, AND SEE IF IT WAS VETOED.

UH, AND WHEN THAT VETOED MAY NOT BE AFFECTED UNTIL THE SECOND YEAR OF THE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.

OKAY.

SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE SLIDE? THAT IT'S THE UH, AIR QUALITY MONEY WHERE PEOPLE CAN, IF YOU'VE GOT AN OVER BID AND YOU'RE GETTING READY TO TRADE IT IN OR SOMETHING, UH, THEY'LL GIVE YOU $3,500 OR WHATEVER THE AMOUNT IS, UH, TO TRADE IT IN.

BUT YOU HAVE TO, THE ENGINE HAS TO BE DESTROYED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PROGRAM TYPE THING.

CASH FOR CLUNKERS STUFF.

YEAH.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

BUT I THINK, I THINK MAY BE WRONG.

WE'LL FIND OUT THOUGH.

IT'S PASS THROUGH MONEY ANYWAY.

SO IT'S REAL ATTORNEY FEES COURT AND THE COURT COSTS.

UH,

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THAT IS WHERE MOSTLY, MOSTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING OUTTA THAT RECENTLY IS THINGS THAT LIKE A MENTAL HEALTH CASE OR SOMETHING THAT GETS TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER COUNTY FROM ANOTHER COUNTY.

THEY INVOICE THAT.

YEAH.

LIKE THE LAST TWO ONE WAS TO WIL BARTER COUNTY AND ONE WAS TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

YEAH.

THEY HAVE THE HEARINGS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL RATHER THAN US HAVING THE HEARINGS, THEY BILL US DO THE SAME THING FOR OTHER COUNTY.

I DUNNO THAT.

AND IS IT REALLY HARD? I MEAN IT'S REALLY HARD TO ESTIMATE A YEAR.

YEAH.

SO WE BUDGETED 58 71 AND WE'VE ONLY SPENT 2384.

WE'VE ACTUALLY WRITTEN JUST FOUR CHECKS THE WHOLE YEAR.

WE JUST ROUND THAT 6,000.

THAT'S JUST A GUESS ANYWAY.

YES SIR.

AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE UPDATE ON WHAT THE CAPTIVE MURDER INSURANCE PARTY PORTION IS THIS YEAR.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE EITHER LAST YEAR BUT, BUT THEY SENT IT PRETTY EARLY BECAUSE WE WERE GOING YAY.

YEAH.

AND LAST YEAR I THINK WE DIDN'T PAY ANYTHING.

YEAH, WE DID.

DID WE? YEAH, MAYBE WE DIDN'T.

THAT'S THE I PORTION.

THEY DIDN'T INCREASE LAST YEAR.

SO WE CAN CHECK ON THAT TOO.

ALRIGHTY.

UH, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

EVERYBODY GOOD? EVERYBODY READY TO KEEP ROLLING? KE YOU AWAKE DOWN THERE? YEAH, I'M AWAKE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

HE'S PLAYING VIDEO GAMES.

ALRIGHT.

MISCELLANEOUS, THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

JUST WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND SOMETHING PLACE ELSE.

STICK IT.

IN THE MIS CASE THERE, THERE'S VERY FEW THINGS THAT GO.

IT'S A RANDOM NUMBER.

IT'S PROB IT WAS PROBABLY IN MEYER AT SOME POINT.

A LOT OF ADDRESS FOR ONE YEAR.

IT JUST GOT TRANSFERRED OVER AS WHAT IT IS.

YOU WANNA MAKE IT TO EVEN MONEY LIKE FIVE EVEN MONEY.

ALL RIGHT, HERE'S LISA'S FAVOR ITEM OFFICE FURNITURE.

WE'VE HEARD THAT DISCUSSION.

HOW MUCH ON OFFICE FURNITURE HAVE WE SPENT? AND THAT'S, UH, IT IS NOT JUST FURNITURE.

IT'S EQUIPMENT AND I MEAN IT, WHAT ALL IT WAS, IT GENERALLY IS MOSTLY JUST THE OFFICE FURNITURE STUFF.

BUT IT, IT CAN, IF SOMEBODY HAD, WELL JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER UH, ROBERT WAS HERE, THEY PULLED YESTERDAY ON THAT PRINTER, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT WHATEVER.

SO THINGS DO COME OUT OF THAT.

THAT'S JUST THAT WHERE, LIKE YOU SAID, PEOPLE DIDN'T BLOW THEIR BUDGET AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND WANNA GO BUY, YOU KNOW, 10 NEW CHAIRS JUST TO REPLACE BECAUSE THEY HAD MONEY TO BLOW UP.

WE BUDGETED 48,000.

WE'VE ONLY SPENT 20,000.

LET'S NOT LET THAT WORD GET OUT CABINET.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

BOBBY WAS PLANNING ON SOME OF THAT FOR THAT DOWNSTAIRS.

AND YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED.

YOUR MARKET DISCUSSED EARMARKING AS MUCH OF THAT MONEY AS POSSIBLE FOR THE RENOVATION DOWNSTAIRS BECAUSE ALL OF HIS RENOVATIONS DID NOT INCLUDE REPLACEMENTS.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO GO BACK WITH THOSE CHAIRS WHEN YOU'RE RENOVATED IN COURTROOM.

WE'RE ALL GETTING JUDGES' CHAIRS WHILE WE, NOT AS LONG AS I GOT ROOM SOMEBODY'S GONNA, YOU KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THIS.

OH, I HEARD .

Y'ALL CAN SIT IN MY CHAIR ALL DAY.

.

WELL THE CHAIRS OUR AUDIENCE SITS IN DOWN, THERE'S, I THINK HE WANTS HIS, YOU KNOW, BE YOU CHAIRS.

SO, BUT ANYWAY, THAT JUST LEAVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANNA ADD TO.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVEN'T ALREADY SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF THREE YEARS.

I KNOW IT'S GONE DOWN THAT PEOPLE ACTUAL WAS, UM, WELL WE ONLY HAD THE ONE YEAR WE ACTUALLY, WHEN WE COMBINED IT, DIDN'T WE THAT 40 1015, HOLD ON A MINUTE.

I CAN GET YOU A FIVE YEAR HISTORY.

JUST LEMME GET THERE.

WE SPENT 25,000 LAST YEAR, 25 LAST YEAR AND WE, 20 YEAR 20, 20,888 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I, I'D SAY LET'S JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THIS TO GET THROUGH AND MAYBE WE WON'T HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS OTHER THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO DOWN STAIRS.

SO NEW EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT WAS FOR THOSE CONSTABLES AND IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENTS THAT IT'S GONNA BE SPLIT FOUR WAYS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM ONLY SPENDS A QUARTER OF THAT.

SO WE KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

MAKE SURE, HOW MUCH DID THEY SPEND? UM, 6,500.

SO THERE'S STILL ABOUT 12,000 LEFT IN THERE, BUT THEY ARE SOME CONSTABLES

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THAT HAVE NOT BOUGHT THE STUFF THAT THEY PRESENTED AT LAST BUDGET THAT THEY NEEDED.

OKAY.

SO, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, KW AFTER THE MEETING YESTERDAY, FUSSED AT ME BECAUSE I AGREED TO HELP RECEIVE THREE CONSTABLE GET THE BODY CAMERAS.

HE SAID, WELL THAT OTHER MONEY'S EARMARKED.

HE'S ALREADY SPENT HIS, I SAID HE ADMITTED IT.

I'M GOING TO HELP HIM FIND THE MONEY TO GET THE CAMERAS.

'CAUSE JUDGE WOOD SAID HE'D LIKE TO BUY IT OUT OF HIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND NOT HAVE TO PUT IT IN EXTRAS.

SO WE GOT THAT SQUARED AWAY.

WE'LL DO IT, BUT WE REALLY, IF THE CONS, WHAT'S IN THAT? NO, REALLY.

NO, IT'S, IT'S WORKED OUT GREAT BECAUSE HIM GOING TO SCHOOL LATER THAN ME 'CAUSE I'M SO OLD AND GROUCHY, YOU KNOW, HE'S LEARNING NEW STUFF.

SO IT REMINDS ME OF STUFF THAT I READ, FORGOT AND IT, WE KIND OF GENERAL IT BACK AND FORTH THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT AND WHAT'LL HELP, YOU KNOW.

BUT ANYWAY, BASKET PACK TO, UH, OFFICE FURNITURE IN, UH, 2011 WE SPENT ALMOST 14, 2012.

WE SPENT 37,000, UH, 2013, ABOUT ALMOST 40,000.

2014.

UH, WE ONLY SPENT ABOUT 6,700.

THEN IT WAS 40 1025 FOUR.

AND THIS YEAR SO FAR IT'S THE 20,888.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THOUGH, THOSE ARE WHEN WE MOVED UP HERE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT HAD TO BE.

I THEY JUST LEAVE LIKE THIS.

OKAY.

IS OKAY WITH THAT.

WELL, YOU ASKED FOR HISTORY, YOU WANTED TO KNOW, SO THAT'S YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU SHARED THAT WITH US AND, UH, WITH THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY.

UH, HAVE WE GOT THE AMOUNT FOR THAT THIS COMING YEAR? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.

I HAVEN'T EITHER JUDGE FOR A WHILE BACK A QUESTION MARK.

SO I DID SEE WHAT I CAN FIND OUT, UH, THE SENIOR CITIZENS, I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT.

UH, IS THAT WHAT IT'S TALKED ABOUT? YEAH.

YEAH.

THEY DON'T HAVE IT.

I MEAN IT'S IN THE, IT'S 4 0 9, CORRECT? YEAH.

OKAY.

UH, FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION.

I DO HAVE A LETTER ON MY DESK THAT I GOT YESTERDAY.

I MEANT TO MAKE A COPY AND I JUST DIDN'T BRING IT UP.

THEY'RE REQUESTING THE SAME AMOUNT FOR NEXT YEAR AND IT'S WHERE THEY PROVIDE THE TRAINING TWO TIMES A YEAR HERE IN THE COUNTY WHERE THE FIREFIGHTERS DON'T HAVE TO GO OFF SOMEPLACE AND GET THE SAME TRAINING.

TALKING ABOUT FIRE SCHOOL.

YEAH, THE FIRE SCHOOL.

SO THIS IS HOW THE FIRE SCHOOL'S FUNDED IT IS WHERE THEY DO THE CAIN COUNTY FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION.

YEAH.

UH, I THINK THEY HAVE A TRAINING IN SPRING AND THEN ONE IN THE FALL.

OKAY.

THEY JUST HAD ONE LIKE LAST WEEK.

YEAH, YEAH.

WE, WE, WE HAD HIM IN R SIGN OFF AND WE SENT THE 10,000.

YEAH.

AND IT'S WHERE THEY, I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR THE VOLUNTEERS TO GET OFF A WEEK.

OH SURE.

IT'S A GREAT DEAL.

YEAH.

AND THEN TS COMES IN AND, AND PROVIDES ALL THE CERTIFICATION TRAINING STUFF.

IS IT STRICTLY FOR VOLUNTEER FIRM.

BUT ANYWAY, ANYBODY CAN GO AND CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTER, BUT MOST VOLUNTEERS DON'T WANT TO.

I MEAN, MOST PROFESSIONAL GUYS, IT SOUNDS TERRIBLE.

MAYBE EFFICIENTLY TRAINED IN VOLUNTEERS.

MM-HMM .

SO IT'S KIND OF BASIC STUFF AT THAT POINT.

SO ON THAT THEY TEACH STUFF LIKE DON'T CUT THE FIBER CABLE.