* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:24] YOU, I WANNA TALK TO YOU TROUBLE. HOW CAN TROUBLE GO TO SLEEP? OH, DON'T LOOK AT THOSE OLD TO DO. IT'S PROBABLY THE, HUH? EXCUSE ME. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS A WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT AT ONE O'CLOCK ON MONDAY, JUNE 26TH. AND SO WE'LL TAKE NO ACTION TODAY. UH, WE'LL JUST DISCUSS, CONTINUE DISCUSSING, UH, THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE BUDGET. AND, UH, SO WE'LL START THAT JUST IN A MOMENT. I'M TRYING TO FIND JUDGE WILEY'S BUDGET AND JUDGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE. HOT SEAT, KAREN, BECAUSE I WANT HER, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT CIVIL ARRANGE. I WANTED, IN CASE YOU GUYS WANTED TO LOOK AT IT, I WANTED A, UH, JOB IN DESCRIP. YOU MAY NOT CARE, BUT IN [00:05:01] CASE YOU WANTED IT, YOU ARE LOCKED AT TEN ONE TWO OH SEVEN FOUR TWO EIGHT. YOU FIND US. THAT'S KIND FOR 12 7 12 0 8 12, 11 12. THE COURT. 4 28. 4 28. OKAY. WHAT DAY? WHAT DAY WAS SHE SUPPOSED THAT? THE FIRST DAY TODAY? THE FIRST DAY. SURE. WAS THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. OH, WAS THAT YESTERDAY? YESTERDAY? YEAH. NO, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M JUST MESSING. WE DON'T PUT THAT TOGETHER. NO, NO NUMBERS. NO. DO NOT PUT THAT PAGE DONE. THAT BOOK TOGETHER, THAT'S DONE BY ANOTHER OFFICE. NO. OKAY. OKAY. LEAVE IT ALONE. UH, WE STARTED WITH, FOR US, AND I DIDN'T MAKE, BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO LOOK AT IT. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW HOW WE ARRIVED AT, UH, SALARY BUDGET, INCREASE REQUEST. WE'LL SHARE THIS. I'LL, AND IF YOU WANT TO, WE STARTED WITH, I THINK LORI HAD GIVEN US SOME INFORMATION AND SOME OF THE DAS, WHICH I HAVE SINGLE, I HAVE SOME COPIES OF THOSE WHERE WE ACTUALLY PULLED OUT OF SEVERAL COUNTY M ELLIS, ROCKWELL, GUADALUPE, JOHNSON COUNTY KAUFMAN TO US. WE SUBRO THAT DOWN INTO REALLY ROCK WALL BECAUSE IT'S CLOSED, WE KNOW IS HIGH. AND , WHICH IS NOT AS HIGH AND IT'S NOT AS CLOSE, BUT IT'S MORE OF A MATCH SIZE COUNTY. SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THIS, UH, RANGE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE PULL IT OUT THE AIR ON THE TAPE, SAY ON THE AIR. SO THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED WITH THESE. AND I, THOSE WERE OUR WORKSHEETS. SO WE'RE LOOKING, WE DECIDED THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO LOOK AT EVERY EMPLOYEE POSITION. UM, THOSE RANGES ARE THE SARI ARE THE HIGH AND THE LOW RANGE WE PUT NEXT TO THAT. THE CURRENT ON THIS, THE FIRST THING I HANDED OUT TO YOU, THE SHEET, AND NEXT TO THE CURRENT WAS THE PROPOSED INCREASES AND THEN THE PROPOSED SALARY. WE KNOW THAT SIZE OF OUR COUNTY AND BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, BUT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT GONNA EVEN BE WITHIN THE RANGE OF WHAT WE GENERATED FROM THESE WORKSHEETS. I MEAN, WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE IN THE RANGE. WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE JUST, WE DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. UM, BUT ALL OF THESE FOLKS ARE LAWYERS, PROFESSIONALS, UH, PARALEGALS, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT PROPOSED, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WASN'T EVEN MAGIC NUMBER JUST TO INCREASE TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE GOING. IT'S, I CAME UP WITH NUMBERS LIKE 2,500 EXCEPTIONS WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT FOR SOME REASON WAS SO FAR TO THE RANGE. AND THAT MEANS THEY HAD BEEN PROMOTED AND HAD GOTTEN THAT FIRST EXAMPLE WOULD SOMEBODY WOULD BE SAY A SHELTER WHO'S BEEN A CHIEF FOR OVER A YEAR, BUT HE WAS STILL IN THE ENTRY PHONE POSITION JUST TO PULL UP A PERSON IN. THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH AN ALPHABETICAL WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. OR IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEBODY WHO SEEMS TO BE THE MOST OUT OF, UH, OF SALARY RANGE, IF YOU TURN OVER ON THE SECOND PAGE AT THE TOP IS THE CPS ATTORNEY SALARY POSITION. LESLIE ODOM RUNS HER OWN DEPARTMENT. I KNOW MIKE MAY GET A LITTLE FLAVOR OF THAT COMMISSIONER HUNT WHEN THEY HAD THE CPS COURT. YOU SEE ALL THOSE CARS THERE AND ALL THOSE HEARINGS. SHE'S DOING ALL THAT WORK BY HERSELF. WHEN WE COMPARE HER SALARY TO ALL THESE OTHER SALARIES, WHICH I, I CAN SUPPORT THAT SHE'S REALLY WAY OUT OF WHACK HER SALARIES, HER SALARY FOR WHATEVER REASON HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE. WHY NOT? SO, SO THE WORKSHEET FOR ME IS WORKING OFF OF OUR NUMBERS. SO YOU JUST KNEW WHERE I GOT 'EM FROM. AND NOT MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE NUMBERS, IT'S ON THE BOTTOM SHEET, NOT MAKE IT DIFFICULT AND IT'S SECRET. THAT'S A HUGE INCREASE FOR WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE FAR RIGHT WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER INCREASE, HOW WE CAME TO THAT NUMBER IS UNDER EIGHT IS UH, THE NEW CIVIL ATTORNEY POSITION. AND I HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THAT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW IT. UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT MADE A BIG DEAL, AND I THINK HE WAS APPROPRIATE TO MAKE SURE THAT PERSON WAS NOT GONNA BE TASKED WITH DOING ANY CRIMINAL WORK. BUT I WOULD LIKE THEM IF NECESSARY, TO [00:10:01] BACK UP LESLIE WITH THE CIVIL WORK. BUT SHE WOULD NOT BE TASKED IN CRIMINAL. REBECCA AND KAREN DO NO CRIMINAL WORK UNLESS WE NEED 'EM TO SOMETIMES PROTECTIVE ORDERS, WHICH IS NOT CRIMINAL, IT'S ACTUALLY CIVIL. SO THE CIVIL POSITION WOULD STAY LIKE THE OTHER TWO CIVIL POSITIONS. KAREN WOULD SUPERVISE THEM IF LESLIE NEEDED BACK UP. RIGHT NOW, WE BACK HER UP, THE CRIMINAL ATTORNEYS BACK HER UP. BUT SHE'S A ONE WOMAN SHOW. AND I DON'T WANNA EXAGGERATE, UM, HER HOW MANY CASES SHE HAS, BUT ALL, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, ALL THE CASES THAT ARE REMOVED IN KAMAN COUNTY ARE ON HER CASELOAD. EVERY CHILD THAT'S REMOVED IN A CPS CARE ON, SHE'S THE CHIEF. SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY INDIANS, BUT SHE'S, SHE, SHE DOES IT ALL. SHE'S ON CALL AND SHE'S ON CALL 24TH EVERY HOLIDAY. EVERY HOLIDAY. SO EXPLAIN THE CIVIL PORTION THAT THE, WERE ABLE TO ADD THE, UH, THE CIVIL MEDIA JOB DESCRIPTION HERE. BROUGHT THAT IN. Y'ALL ARE PRETTY COMFORTABLE AND FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DO ALREADY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY, YOU, YOU DEAL WITH IT. AND SO, SO THE CIVIL IS GONNA HANDLE AND BE SUPERVISED BY KAREN WITH ANY OF THE LITIGATION MATTERS. UH, BACKING REBECCA UP, AND THAT'LL BE KAREN'S FUNCTION, UM, WITH THE SIDE HOUSE. SHE WANTS TO APPORTION HER STAFF. KAREN MAY DECIDE TO PUT REBECCA TOTALLY JUST ON COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND SOMETHING ELSE. AND THEN THE NEW PERSON BEING TOTALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR APPLICANTS ARE AND OUR POOL OF PEOPLE LOOK LIKE, PUT THEM TOTALLY ON WORKING WITH THE, UH, LEGAL ISSUES IN THE HR DEPARTMENT, PLUS OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS. BUT THIS PERSON WILL NOT GET A, UH, CRIMINAL CASE DOCKET. THEY, BUT THEY WOULD. I, I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE 60% CIVIL LESLIE. AND IT'S NOTHING BAD. SHE LIKES TO DO HER OWN WORK, BUT SHE'S GOTTA LET GO OF SOME OF IT AND START TRAINING SOMEBODY ELSE ON HOW TO DO IT. THE ONLY OTHER PERSON THAT PROBABLY HAS THE EXPERTISE THAT SHE DOES IS PROBABLY SITTING RIGHT HERE. I MEAN, I COULD GO DO HER DOCKET. I MEAN, BEING THE PRESIDING JUDGE OVER THOSE CASES, I KNOW HOW TO DO 'EM. RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN REALLY THIN. I MEAN, I WOULD DO IT IF SHE GOT SICK, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND WE YOU WOULD DO IT. WE MANAGED IT. WE MANAGED IT WHEN SHE HAD, SHE'S LIKE, HAVE A THREE YEAR. WE MANAGED THAT DOCKET SHE OWN. BUT WE, WE WORKED AROUND IT. WE BROUGHT IN WHICH OUR BACKUP FOR CIVIL IS THE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES. UH, OWN STAFF ATTORNEYS ACTUALLY CAME IN AND BACKED HER UP WHEN SHE WAS ON ATTORNEY. BUT I'LL TELL YOU, EVERYTHING BACKED UP BECAUSE THEY NEVER TOOK OWNERSHIP FOR THE CASE. SO WE KNOW WE NEED CIVIL WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE GOT AND HAVE A SMALL CPS DOCKET AND THE WAY YOU GET ANYBODY DO THINGS, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A DOCKET. YOU WOULD ASSIGN THEM 30% OF THE CASES. 'CAUSE IF YOU JUST SAY, GO WATCH LESLIE DO THE WORK, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO OWN SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIVE TO IT. UM, WE ALSO TALKED, SO YOU SEE WHERE THAT OTHER NUMBER COMES IN AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW INVESTIGATOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. HERE'S THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THAT, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE. AND I GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO, WHICH I JUST TO BE HONEST, UM, SHERIFF BEFORE WE STARTED THE MEETING, THAT EVEN IN HIS OPINION IS ANALOGOUS. HIS INVESTIGATOR, DEPENDING ON THE EXPERIENCE IS ANALOGOUS WITH WHAT OUR INVESTIGATORS DO. NOT OUR CHIEF, OUR CHIEF, I PUT HIM MORE IN LINE WITH, UH, ONE OF THE HIGHER SUPERVISORS UNDER RODNEY, UNDER CHIEF EVANS, UNDER A CHIEF, MORE LIKE AN ASSISTANT CHIEF, OUR CHIEF INVESTIGATOR. BUT OUR CHIEFS ARE ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS OFF OF WHERE, UH, THE CHIEFS, I MEAN THE, I'M SORRY. OUR INVESTIGATORS ARE ABOUT A THOUSAND LESS THAN WHAT THE INVESTIGATORS ARE AT KSF. NOW. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROBLEM OF KIND OF KEEPING THINGS SIMILAR. SO I DON'T LOSE AN INVESTIGATOR TO HIM AND I WOULDN'T WANT MINE REAL HIGH 'CAUSE I WOULD WANT TO LOSE ONE OF HIS GUYS WHO WANT THOSE SIMILAR, AND I DIDN'T EVEN BUILD THAT INTO THE BUDGET. I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST NEW INFORMATION. AND THEN WHAT THE EXISTING STAFF, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. SO I WANTED TO BREAK IT DOWN BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS GO, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THE INCREASE, BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU THE TWO SPOTS OR WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME OF THE INCREASE BECAUSE I, AND THOSE NUMBERS ON THAT WORKSHEET THAT WE HANDED OUT FIRST ARE JUST PROPOSALS. AND YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW I GOT THERE. SO IF YOU SAY, HMM, THAT'S TOO MUCH. BUT WHERE, WHERE IF WE ARE, ARE IN RANGE WITH THE, UM, WITH WHERE WE WANT TO BE USING SPECIFICALLY AND ROCK REALLY WAS MORE M ROCKWELL ON THE HIGH END. BUT WE ALSO HAD SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT I MADE UP THAT . [00:15:02] THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. SO LET'S, LET'S GO TO THE THIRD PAGE OR WHICH ONE OF THE FIRST ONE THAT HANDED, UH, WALK THROUGH. NOW THE FIRST COLUMN OF COURSE POSITION, THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE SALARY RANGE. THE THIRD COLUMN IS CURRENT SALARY. RIGHT. AND THEN THE FOURTH COLUMN IS WHOLE INCREASE. CORRECT. AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ASKING FOR, FOR ALL INCREASE OF $24,000 ACROSS THE BOARD. YES. BUT THAT'S JUST IN SALARY. SO I DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT YOU. NO, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH BENEFITS AND ALL THAT. OKAY. WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH BENEFITS AND WE'VE ALSO GOT, UM, THE OTHER TWO POSITIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR. IS THAT IN THERE? UH, IT, IT'S IT'S BE CUT OUT SOMEBODY SOMEPLACE ELSE. NO, I DID NOT YET. NO, I DIDN'T PUT NOBODY OUT. I I'M JUST SAYING THAT I, IT WOULD BE ADDING TO, AND THAT'S WHY THE, THE LITTLE WORKSHEET I DID, WHICH HAS OUR 4 28 ON IT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM AND SEE, AND THAT NUMBER UHHUH AND THAT NUMBER CI DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM AT 7 3 5 46. THAT NUMBER'S NOT RIGHT. 'CAUSE OUR WORKSHEET HAS THE PROPOSED INCREASE, WHICH IS ACCURATELY RAN THOSE NUMBERS BETWEEN 4,000. SO I DUNNO WHAT THAT 73 IS. I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE ADDED IN SOMEBODY DID THAT, RUN THAT UP 20 REAL QUICK. ALRIGHT. SO, AND WE CAN WORK THAT UP WITH, UH, KAREN. YEAH. AND SO THE, YOU ULTIMATELY WILL BE ADDING TWO PEOPLE IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OH, I KNOW WHERE THAT COMES FROM. I JUST REMEMBER THAT COMES FROM OKAY. AND SO WE NEED TO KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHAT THAT WOULD BE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, I GUESS I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT THE I AND AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NUMBER'S RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF IF, UH, ON THIS, ON THIS SHEET, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS OUT HERE, IF WE PUT 245,000, THAT'S, THAT NUMBER WAS WORKED UP. I HAVEN'T DOUBLE CHECKED IT. GUYS. I WONDER ON TIME 240 UHHUH. THAT'S THE TOTAL, BECAUSE ALSO IN THIS NUMBER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA NEED IT, IS THE PART-TIME WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT. SINCE WE'RE GETTING A CIVIL PERSON, WE HAVE THE TRIAL, WHICH WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE A TRIAL IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT MUCH MONEY IN PART-TIME. 'CAUSE REMEMBER I CAME IN ASKING FOR 16 PART-TIME AND NOT A POSITION. SO WE MIGHT BACK THAT NUMBER OUT. OKAY. SO THERE'S 2 45 WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE TWO PEOPLE. YEAH. THE THE TWO 40 FIVES INCLUDES THE NEW PEOPLE INCLUDE THE INCREASES. IT INCLUDES THE 60,000 FOR PART-TIME, BUT THERE MORE ADDED TO THIS. SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T ADD UP. I MEAN THAT NUMBER DOESN'T ADD UP. 73 47. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I SEEN. I THINK THAT 73 NUMBER'S WRONG. SOMEBODY TACK THAT ON AGAIN. THAT'S WRONG. YEAH, I'M SAYING THAT. BUT THAT 2 45 IS RIGHT. THAT THE 2 45, YEAH. 2 45 IS RIGHT. TWO SCRATCH NUMBER SIX. BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBERS AND THAT NUMBER'S WRONG. THAT IS ACTUALLY, YEAH. AND ON PART-TIME HELP HELP YOU REMEMBER WHAT SURE. I'M GLAD TO PART-TIME HELP IS TWOFOLD. UH, WE AND I TALKED, I'VE TALKED TO RHONDA SINCE THEN. WE HAD ORIGINALLY HAD THE INITIAL PART-TIME HELP. THE PRIMARY THING WAS TO, IF WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND GO TO LITIGATION SEAWAY, WE SAY WE JUST BRING IN A PART-TIME PERSON. DURING THAT TIME IT WOULD SUGGESTED, WELL MAYBE WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GO FULL TIME. AND THAT NUMBER WE USED WAS 30,000 MAYBE GETTING A LAW CLERK. THE SECOND PART OF THAT WE 60 WAS TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL 30. WELL, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT OUR RECORDS? THEY'RE ALL, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME SUMMER HELP OR PART-TIME PEOPLE SORT OF LIKE RHONDA DID ULTIMATELY AT SOME POINT SCANNING AND PUTTING THOSE IN. BUT YOU KNOW, BUDGET TO BUDGET, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY. WE MIGHT HAVE TO JUST, UM, I DON'T KNOW. WE USE MY OWN STAFF. THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA, IT'S GONNA IMPROVE SOME, UM, COMP TIME. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THAT'S HOW THAT NUMBER 60 CAME IN. 60. THAT TWO 40 TO THE, UH, TO THE SEAWAY TRIAL. ONE WAS SEAWAY, BUT THE OTHER WAS CLEAN UP THE RECORDS. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD HAVE FOR SEAWAY, WE WERE THINKING THAT WE MIGHT NEED SOME HELP WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IF WE GO TO TRIAL IN DECEMBER, STARTING ABOUT SEPTEMBER. SO WE'LL BRING IN SOMEBODY. WE JUST FIND SOMEBODY ON A PART-TIME BASIS. I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED THAT PERSON NOW. SO THAT WOULD, BACK AT 2 45, WE BACK DOWN 30 TO TWO 15. THEN THE OTHER THING WE WOULD'VE SAID WAS, ARE WE GONNA NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP WITH THOSE RECORDS AND HAVE A PART-TIME PERSON? AND IF WE SAID WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR IT, YOUR OWN STAFF'S GONNA HAVE TO ABSORB THAT. IF YOU WANT THESE OTHER THINGS, THEN YOU BACK TWO 15 AND TAKE ANOTHER 30. LET ME REMEMBER WHAT ALL THE RECORDS ARE. ARE THEY, THEY, WELL [00:20:01] WE HAVE ALL THE DA RECORDS THAT YOU WERE REMOVED FROM THE LIBRARY, RIGHT. AND WE'RE FIXING TO DO A PER, WE'VE GOT, AND SOME OF THOSE WERE SENT TO YOU. SO NO, EVERYTHING THAT'S OVER THERE ARE SENSITIVE. OKAY. BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT A T IF YOU RUN A RECORD IN THERE, THEY ALL HAVE SOMEBODY'S RECORD. THEY DO. WE HAVE TO HANDLE 'EM IN SUCH A WAY THAT SENSITIVE. AND SO WHEN WE SAY SENSITIVE, COULD IT BE LIKE A BEGINNING, UH, SECRETARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW WHAT RHONDA DID WAS TEMPORARY DEPUTIZE UH, FOLKS TO DO THOSE RECORDS. SO THERE'D BE SOMEBODY UNDERMINE EMPLOYEE. SO THEY'D BE A DA PERSON THAT WOULD BE SUPERVISED BY SOME OF MY STAFF. IT CAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN INVESTIGATOR. WHAT, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO FOR ANYTHING IS DO A PUR THOSE RECORDS WEREN'T PURED THE WORK, THE WORKERS THAT WENT OVER THERE DID A GREAT JOB ORGANIZING STOP. SO WE HAVE, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, LIKE MISDEMEANORS, THAT THE STATUTES ALREADY TOLD THIS TOO. THERE IS ENOUGH SHREDDING OVER THERE AND STACKS PULLING THINGS OUT AND SHREDDING. THAT WOULD KEEP ANYBODY IN, IN A, A PART-TIME PERSON THAT COULD FOLLOW DIRECTION COULD DO THAT. I MEAN, HERE'S YOUR TREAD STOP. AND THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE TRAINED, JUST TRAINED. THEN THE NEXT THING WOULD BE I'M GOING TO IMPLEMENT. I SAY, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T YET. I, I WE'RE PREPARED. I THINK I'M JUST OLD SCHOOL. I HATE TO LET GO OF THEM. BUT JUST WE SCAN THOSE MISDEMEANORS. EVERYTHING'S GOING DIGITAL. JUST LET ALL MISDEMEANORS GO. JUST PURGE 'EM ALL. OKAY. JUST ONCE THEY'RE SCANNED. BUT WE'VE GOTTA DOUBLE CHECK THAT EVERY DOCUMENT IN THAT FILE HAS BEEN SCANNED ON THE COMPUTER. OKAY. I GOTTA DOUBLE CHECK IT IF IT'S WITHIN THE STATUTE. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY MIGHT FOLLOW RICK. I DOUBT IT ON A MISDEMEANOR THEN THE MOST SENSITIVE IS THEN YOU GO TO YOUR FELONIES. SO WE GOTTA HEARD ALL THE FELONIES THAT THE STATUTE'S TOLD, WHICH IS A LOT OF DOCUMENTS. AND THEN I'M PREPARED TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE STATE JAIL FELONIES. I'M DOING THE MISDEMEANOR, LET 'EM GO ONCE YOU DOUBLE CHECK THE FILE. SO SOME OF THOSE COULD BE DIGITIZED. YES. OR DO EVERYTHING. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HARD COPY. WE ARE KEEPING HARD COPIES OF WHAT WE SAY IN OUR BUSINESS IS 3G. IF IT IS A UN IT'S A MURDER CASE AND A LIMITED STATUTE, A SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE, AN AGGRAVATED ROBBERY, A KIDNAPPING CASE. I'M NOT GETTING RID OF THE HARD BOX. OKAY. SO HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE DO THE, UH, DIGITIZING OF THAT? I MEAN THAT'S GONNA COST, WELL WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE CAN SCAN, BUT IT'S REALLY MORE SCANNED AND JUST COMPARE IF WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. 'CAUSE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS THOSE FILES TOO. YEAH. AND THAT THEY HAVE JUDGEMENTS IN THOSE WE'RE WHAT HAPPENS FOR US ON THE MISDEMEANORS. I I MEAN, I'VE JUST GOT TO GET THE AGE THAT WE'RE IN AND THEN THE STATE JAIL FELONIES. I I SAY THIS, THEY'LL BE A WRIT ON, YOU KNOW, UH, KAREN, UH, KATHY DESK. BUT USUALLY IF PEOPLE AREN'T DOING A LOT OF TIME, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW RISK. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT. OCCASIONALLY WE HAD HAD SOME PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT WASN'T SCAN THAT HELD THE SAFE. IT WAS IN THEIR PHONE THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED TO TRIAL. BUT THEN WE DON'T, WE IT'S NOT SCANNED. I I CAN'T, THAT'S OUR FAULT. IT WASN'T SCANNED. THE, THE SECRETARY SAID SHE SCANNED IT. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SET UP REDUNDANT IN OUR OFFICE. FILES ARE SCANNED IN, BALLS ARE SCANNED WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, I MEAN EVERYBODY'S MOVING TO EVENTUALLY CASES ARE GONNA BE FILED. THEY'RE GONNA BE E FILE FROM THERE TO US. THEY'RE GONNA BE SENT TO DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WITH DISCOVERY AND THEY'RE GONNA BE STORED ON. THAT'S THE FUTURE. ALL THESE PIECES OF PAPERWORK. DID YOU PLAN ON DOING THAT YOURSELF WITH $30,000 FROM Y'ALL? OKAY. SO HAVE WE INVESTIGATED WHAT IT WOULD COST TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY TO COME IN AND DIGITIZE THOSE RECORDS? LIKE NO, KAREN, IT WOULD BE TOO MUCH COUNTY DISTRICT CLERK RECORDS. WET HAVE WE HAVE THE COMMISSIONER RECORD FUND WE THAT AND THE NEXT PART OF THAT IS WE FOUND A COMPANY THAT COULD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AN ESTIMATE OF AND CAN'T REALLY DO THAT TO YOU PURGE WHAT? RIGHT. I'M, BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, MAYBE WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S, UH, DIRECTOR FUND AND MAYBE SWEET TALKING ON YOU INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE, UH, SEIZURE MONEY THAT MIGHT BE, AND THEY CAN DO IT SO MUCH EASIER. BUT WE'RE NOT NEAR THAT POINT, I DON'T THINK BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING GET RID. WELL I THINK WE REALLY CAN GET RID OF HALF THOSE RECORDS. I MEAN, IF I LET GO OF ALL THOSE MISDEMEANORS AND THOSE SAVED Y'ALL PHONE, THERE'S A TON OF THERE'S A TON OF, WE MIGHT CAN GET RID OF IT. WELL, AT LEAST A THIRD I'LL BE MINE. WE MIGHT BE HALF. BUT THAT'S A LOT OF RECORDS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE A PURGE. 'CAUSE THAT BUILDING [00:25:01] WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WORK IN, WE HAVE NOT HAD A PURGE IN ABOUT TWO YEARS. SO I KNOW ALL THOSE MISDEMEANORS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN SITTING OVER THERE AND THAT'S OUR VOLUME. AND IF I'M GONNA GET RID OF ALL THE MISDEMEANORS, IF YOU'VE GOT A HUNDRED CASES THAT ARE FILED, 60% OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE MISDEMEANORS. YEAH. OKAY. THEN ON THE 40% OF FELONIES, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT STATE JAIL FELONIES IN THIRD DEGREES. WHAT YOU'VE GOT LEFT THAT SCARES YOU IS REALLY VERY LITTLE. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A THOUSAND DOUBLE BANKER BOXES OVER THERE OR 2000, YOU'RE STILL GONNA END UP WITH 300 BOXES. AND JUST SO WE ALLALL KNOW, AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERY BOX I THINK HAS BEEN MOVED THERE. IT HAS, THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME TY BOXES AND THEY DID A GREAT TOP. THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT. THEY DID A GREAT, THERE STILL ARE ABOUT 34 DRAWER FILE CABINETS UPSTAIRS THAT WE'VE GOTTA GET DOWN. AND WE BOBBY WAS GONNA GIVE YOU TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME HELP, UH, FROM YOU. WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING ALL THIS OTHER WITH THEM TOO. YEAH. SO WE'LL JUST GOT PLANNING OUT. THAT'S ALL I GOTTA DO. SO, UH, BUT WE NEED TO GET THEM READY FOR THE AUCTION OR SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT THEM AND THEY'RE UPSTAIRS OVER, OVER HERE. YOU KNOW, SO, SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UH, THING HERE, UH, THESE, THIS 245 AND WE'LL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE TOMORROW NIGHT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE ON SEA. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE GOOD USE. I ISSUE WITH THE GETTING EVERYTHING AS DIGITIZED AS POSSIBLE IS WE GET A LOT OF P REQUESTS RIGHT. FOR OUR OFFICE. SO QUICK TO DO IT. AND IF IT'S SCANNED, IT'S LIKE THAT. INSTEAD WE, NOW WE HAVE TO GO PULL THE BOXES. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT. SOMEONE HAS TO SCAN OR GO THROUGH EVERY DOCUMENT. LOT OF LABOR. THERE'S A LOT OF LABOR INVOLVED AND IT'S HARD TO TURN. THOSE THINGS COME IN 10 DAYS SOMETIMES. SO THERE'S SOME LITTLE BENEFITS IN INVESTING TIME AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE TO GET, AND SO ACTUALLY CATALOG, RIGHT. BUT THEN A SYSTEM THAT WE CAN GO AND PULL WHAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED. AND WHEN WE GET THIS STUFF READY TO, UH, THREAD IT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CO-OP, I THINK THEY COME DO IT OR WE CAN HIRE A COMPANY TO COME DO IT. WELL, UH, THE, WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE CLIENTS THAT YOU ALL USE? FREDDY. WE USE FREDDY. WE'VE HAD GOOD ON DO THEY PICK UP? Y'ALL TAKE OVER? NO, THEY UP. THEY COME OUR OFFICE EVERY DOWN. YEAH. WE, WELL LAURA USES IRON MOUNTAIN, BUT THEY, THEY USE THAT SHREDDED OR THAT, UH, ALLIANCE. ALLIANCE, YEAH. ALLIANCE. THEY SWITCHED TO, WE'RE USING, THEY GIVE US A BIG TRASH CAN WE, WE QUIT BUYING SHREDDED. WELL, WE ARE, WE ARE, WE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED UP ON THAT. AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME SET THEY, WE MIGHT HAVE TAKE, THEY'LL BRING A TRUCK OUT HERE BESIDE THE AND UNLOAD IT. SHRED IT ON SITE. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THEY SHRED IT ON SITE. WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY WATCH EM SHRED THE STUFF. YEAH, WE DO. YOU HAVE TO WATCH. WE WATCH, WE WATCH ALL OF OUR STUFF, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS AND COMMISSIONER HUNT WILL VOLUNTEER SOUND. RIGHT. I, I ALREADY FEEL LIKE I ALREADY BOUGHT BEACHFRONT PROPERTY. AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU , SHE'S JUST GOING JUDGE WOOD. YES MA'AM. WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU WANT? EXPLAIN . WHY DOESN'T TYLER TECHNOLOGY OFFER SOME KIND OF RECORDS MANAGEMENT THAT GOES WITH THEIR PACKET? OH, THEY PROBABLY BE FOR THE LOW, LOW PRICE OF BLAH BLAH, $1 MILLION. CRAZY. THINK SO. I'M JUST, IF THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU DO RECORDS MANAGEMENT, YOU HAVE TO, IT HAS TO BE SEARCHABLE. IT HAS TO BE OCR. IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS ATTRIBUTABLE TO IT WHEN YOU DO DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO THIS $245,000 PERIOD THAT WE'RE NOT REAL SURE OF. SAY AGAIN, I'M LISTENING. HE WAS GIVING TIME THE 245,000 BUCKS. YEAH, IT'S A LOT. BUT I JUST, IT'S A WISHLIST. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE'RE GOT. BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE, ARE YOU CERTAIN ABOUT THESE NUMBERS? YEP. OKAY. THE ONLY THING WE COULD BACK THAT DOES NOT, SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TAXES AND THE INSURANCE. INSURANCE. THAT DOES NOT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN WE MADE THE, THE DOES INCLUDE TWO NEW EMPLOYEES. IT DOES, IT INCLUDES TWO NEW EMPLOYEES, 60,000 PART-TIME. IT INCLUDES THE WHOLE LIST. WE CAN GO DOWN FROM THERE WE GO. THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT THE, THE HIGHEST NUMBER. ALRIGHT. AND THE BREAKDOWN. CORRECT. AND THE BREAKDOWN IS THE 24,000 IN THE SALARY INCREASE. THAT'S WHY, UH, CURRENT EMPLOYEES, NOT [00:30:01] FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEES. IT'S, IT'S JUST TO GET 'EM MORE ON CAR. YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THE ONLY PERSON I PROBABLY WOULD LOSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LESLIE'S A HUGE JUMPER. I MEAN, I COULD ACTUALLY LOSE HER. 'CAUSE I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, SHE'S SO FAR OUT OF WHACK. UM, I MEAN SHE'S GOT TO BE A 20 YEAR LAWYER. 15 YEAR LAWYER. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS JUST GET REQUEST. WE'RE NOT REALLY, I MEAN WE, WE'VE GOT THE REQUEST FOR SALARIES I GOT, BUT I THINK BUDGET PLANNING PURPOSES ON PERSONNEL AND KW AND KAREN, MAKE SURE Y'ALL HEAR THIS. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT DOWN IS, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH ADDING THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING? ONE OF THEM IS WE REQUESTED AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, SHE JUST DESCRIBED THE CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATOR. YEAH. AND THAT PERSON TELL US ABOUT THEM. WE CAN TELL US JUST FIVE, YOU KNOW, THREE MINUTES, TWO MINUTES LESS. WE, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A TON OF THOSE CASES OUT THERE. AND THE BAD, BAD CASES, WELL, WHAT WE'VE GOT WITH THIS CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATOR, I THINK IT, IT ALSO WILL HELP LESLIE, BECAUSE I, I CHANGED IT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S THE CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATOR INVESTIGATOR AS WELL AS, UH, TO HELP WITH THE CPS CASES. AND FOR THOSE THAT HAVE DONE LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN A CHILD IS ABUSED OR NEGLECTED, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT CAN COME TWO PARTS. SOMETIMES IT DOES. YOU HAVE A PARENT THAT'S NOT PROTECTED. AND THEN CPS GETS INVOLVED TO PROTECT THE CHILD FROM A NON-PROTECTED PARENT. BUT IF THERE'S A CRIMINAL CASE INVOLVED AND, AND UNFORTUNATE, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, SAY A SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE WHERE YOU, AND I'M PICKING ON THE GUYS WHO MIGHT HAVE A STEPFATHER OR SOME RELATIVE, COULD BE A WOMAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THAT'S ABUSE THE CHILD THAT STARTS THE CRIMINAL TRACK RUNNING. SO WITH THIS INVESTIGATOR WE'RE HAVING, THEY'RE GONNA BE DUAL PURPOSE AS WELL. THEY'RE GONNA HELP WITH THE CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATION PRIMARILY. THEY WON'T BE DOING, UNLESS WE HAVE AN ALL HANDS ON DECK SITUATION, THEY WON'T BE DOING OTHER, UH, CRIMINAL CASES. BUT THEY WOULD ALSO HELP LESLIE, ONE THING YOU CAN HAVE, WHICH WILL SAVE US MONEY, IF YOU CREATE A CHILD ABUSE CPS ASSAULTIVE ABUSE INVESTIGATOR, WE ALSO CREATE EXPERT WITNESS THAT WE CAN TURN AROUND AND CALL THESE CASES IF WE GET EM TRAINED UP. AND WE, SO THAT HELPS US WHEN WE DO OUR CASES THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN PERSON THAT MEET. I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WEEDS WHAT YOU CALL A GO BEAR CHALLENGE. THAT THEY'VE WORKED IN THE FIELD, THAT THEY KNOW ALL ABOUT CHILD ABUSE, THAT THEY'VE GOT THE TRAINING. SO WE'RE, I WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT SPECIALIZED THAT WE CAN USE AS AN EXPERT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE COUNTY CHILD ABUSE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. ONE OF THE GROWING, SAD, UNFORTUNATE THINGS SHERIFF CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. THOSE CASES DOUBLE. RODNEY AND I TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT, WE GONNA DO ABOUT THIS. HOW ARE WE GONNA USE THIS? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET SOMEBODY TO GO PICK UP THE TAPES FROM THE C CENTER WHERE THE KIDS HAVE BEEN? WE HAVE, AND IT'S NOT THE AGENCY IN THE ROOM, ANOTHER AGENCY THAT, THAT THEY LOST A CASE FOR THREE YEARS AND THE KID WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BEFORE. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT FALL THROUGH THE CRACK. THAT CASE HAVE NOW BEEN FOUND. UHHUH WE FOUND IT. OKAY. YEAH, OF COURSE BY NOW IT WASN'T LOST BY YOU. IT WAS LOST BY, YOU KNOW, IT JUST HAPPENS. YOU JUST GOT STUFF GOING ON AND, AND IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY, I THINK THEY WOULD HELP IN BOTH OF THOSE ROLES WITH THE CCP S CASES. IT ALSO HELPS LESLIE, WHICH LESSENS THAT CIVIL ATTORNEYS RIGHT. RESPONSIBILITY. 'CAUSE LESLIE WOULD HAVE THAT INVESTIGATOR WITH HER HELPING HER FROM OUR OFFICE WITH CASES. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. BUT THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE'VE LEARNED, WE WENT IN AND PUT ALL THE NEEDS THAT INVESTIGATOR WOULD HAVE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW. I HAD MY PUT ON MY COLLEAGUE, THE CHIEF PUT ON WHAT IT COST TO GET AN INVESTIGATOR, AN OFFICER RAY, THE HIS EQUIPMENT, HIS FIREARM, WHATEVER HE ENLISTED THINGS THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW. ASK HIM TO PUT THAT TO YOU OFF TO SEE WHAT THAT SUPPLEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WELL, I MEAN I CAN'T GO TO SLEEP AT NIGHT. GOOD CONSCIENCE. KNOWING THAT WE WE CAN TO HELP KIDS THAT ARE BEING OH YEAH, NO, IT REALLY IS. IT'S, AND ALSO WE'RE, WE ARE GOING IN A DIRECTION, I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY CASES. WE GET A LOT OF SUPPORT. OBVIOUSLY WHEN UH, SHERIFF GETS UP HERE, HE'S GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT IT. HOW MUCH SUPPORT WE GET FROM THEIR OFFICE WORKING THESE CASES. EVEN AFTER THEY CASES AND THEY FILE, THEY COME FROM THEIR OFFICE. WE NEVER QUIT OUR COMMUNICATION 'CAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF. AND THEY DO THE INVESTIGATION, FILE THE CASE AND THEY KEEP HELPING US. THEY KEEP, IF, IF WE NEED HELP, THEY'RE GONNA HELP US. BUT AT SOME POINT THEY'VE GOT THE NEXT CASE THAT WALKS IN THE DOOR AND SITTING OVER HERE AND THEY'VE GOTTA HELP THAT FAMILY WITH THE NEXT CASE. THEY WHATEVER. IT'S, SO WE'RE ALL TRYING TO BLOCK IN A GLOVE AND JUST MAKE IT SAFER. KAREN. OKAY. WHAT WERE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANTED US TO DO TO FIGURE, TO ADD TO THIS? I [00:35:01] WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE TWO POSITIONS ARE PUT IN HERE ARE PUT IN WITH A SALARY TO BE DETERMINED. OKAY. WELL I NEED AN IDEA TO, I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. OKAY. THAT BECAUSE WE'VE USED THE SAME SALARY AND IF THEY DECIDE TO INCREASE, IT WOULD BE UM, BASED ON WHAT THEY DO WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT THE UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE COURT'S OKAY WITH THAT JUST TO PUT IT IN. UM, WELL I KNOW THE CIVIL SIDE, I MEAN WE'RE REALLY ASKING THEM STUFF ALL THE TIME. WE JUST GROWING SO GOING ON AND THE REST OF THEIR JOBS ARE NEGLECTED BECAUSE THEY TAKING BUS. BUT IT MIGHT, SO, UM, SHE'S LOOKING FOR YOU, LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY OR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY BRAND NEW. DO YOU KNOW THAT? YES. BECAUSE SHE'S JUST TRYING TO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A BRAND NEW LAWYER. BRAND NEW LAWYER'S GONNA BE RIGHT. WHY DON'T DO THIS? SO Y'ALL HAVE TIME. WHY DON'T GET, YEAH, OKAY. BECAUSE THEY DO NEED BASICALLY, BUT ON THE OTHER RAISES RIGHT NOW, LET'S JUST LEAVE THAT PART ALONG. YEAH. LEAVE THAT PART ALONG. OKAY. UH, ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE EXTRA HELP. ARE YOU GUYS WORKING THE FULL 60,000 OR 30 30? WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH. DO YOU WHAT WITH THE THIRD? JUST BEING PART IT'S A 30. THIS HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET. IT'S RIGHT HERE. I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT DON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT ON MY WIFE. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HIS RIGHT HAND MAN. SO BRIAN, HIS NATURE TOGETHER, VERY DETAILED, UH, PLAN AND THAT'S HELPFUL. COURSE. FIRST THING I, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL, Y'ALL GOT MY, MY BOOK BUT I KIND OF GATHERED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. DO THAT ON PURPOSE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT, THE SHEET I'M GIVING YOU NOW IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS COMP TIME, UH, THROUGH THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT. YOU CAN THUMB THROUGH BUT YOU GO TO THE VERY LAST PAGE. IT SAYS YOU WE GOT 20777.74 HOURS IN COMP TIME. YEAH. AND IF YOU FIGURE THAT UP, THAT'S A LITTLE, I KIND OF FIGURED ON THE LOAD SIDE IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. AND ON TOP OF THAT ASPECT, TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE WITH OUR PERSONNEL. AND THAT IS ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE STILL THREE SHARP ON THE COMMUNICATION OFFICER'S. 10 DETENTION AND 11 IN DEPUTY. SO WE STILL, LEMME ASK YOU ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION OFFICER THAT IS NOT INCLUDING WHAT YOU HAD SET ASIDE MATERIAL. NO. THAT THOSE WERE NEVER FILLED. THAT WAS NEVER FILLED. AND THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN OUT. WE'VE TAKEN ALL THEM OUT. THEY'VE BEEN OUT. YES. THEY'S BEEN OUTTA THE LOOP AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO I DO HAVE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. KNOW LAST YEAR YOU GUYS HAD 10 POSITIONS THERE. HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE TERRIBLE POSITIONS? THE SIX. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOUR OF THOSE 10 INCREASE 30. 31. WE HAD 31 TOTAL PERSONNEL OUT. THAT'S WHAT ME AND YOU TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR. WE BROUGHT KAUFMAN OVER. I MAY, I ALREADY KNOW A IT BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YEAH BECAUSE WE BROUGHT KAUFMAN PEOPLE OVER, WHICH WAS BEFORE AND WE'VE NEVER TOOK ANY TAKEN ON ANY OF, IT'S A TOTAL 31. CAN'T GET PEOPLE FLOWERS, THEY CAN'T GO TO THE BACKGROUND. I MEAN WE'RE TESTING IT. LIKE I SAY, NORMALLY WE TEST, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX, MAYBE WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE PASSED THE TEST AND THEN MAYBE WANT TO PASS THE BACKGROUND AND THEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH THAT. THAT'S OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM. AND WE'RE NOT PEOPLE COMING IN THE NUMBER FALLING OFF. PEOPLE DO. YEAH. I MEAN TESTING DISPATCH. THEY'RE NOT, PEOPLE GET LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO WE'RE STILL, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU CAN GO BACK THREE YEARS, WE HADN'T BEEN TOLD SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THREE YEARS, SO [00:40:08] WRITE YEAH, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A FIREMAN. DON'T IMAN, REMEMBER WE GOT A MEMBER OF THE PRESS HERE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT RETIRED CHIEF AVAILABLE BALANCE. DOES THAT MEAN HE WORK ANYMORE OR DOES THAT MEAN HE HAS THAT MANY HOURS? THAT'S HOW MANY THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE LAST PAY PERIOD. SO WE'VE GOT THEM. I'M SAYING WHAT ALL ACTUALLY WORKED. I DID. WELL WE HAD, WE HAD A FEW THINGS HAPPEN THERE. THEY HAD TO COME OUT AND COME TO WORK. BUT YOU CAN KIND OF TELL I'VE GOT IT BROKE DOWN IN THE . KIND OF LIKE YOU SEE DISPATCH, THE TOTAL IS 2,397, THEN YOU GO TO THE JAIL AND AT THE BOTTOM UP DETENTION IS HAVING 8,000 838 78. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE DEPUTIES THERE, 9,000 5 40 10 10. YES. YOU KNOW WE TALKED OTHER DAY, THE PROBLEM IS THESE GUYS GET WORE OUT MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY. SO ALERT THEY'RE WORKING ALL THE TIME. NO SIR. WE'RE PULLING THEM IN ALL SOME, I MEAN THE BIGGEST THING IS PEOPLE STILL CALLING IN SICK, UM, VACATION. SURE. I MEAN, AND WE'RE TRYING TO, MAN, WE'RE REALLY WORKING ON THE COMMAND STAFF OF TALKING TO THESE FIRST LINE SUPERVISORS, MANAGING THIS CALL TIME. IF WE CAN COME IN, IF WE BRING A GUY IN EARLY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HIS TIME SHEET AND WE REALIZE, OH HE'S FIXING TO GET SOME COMP TIME. WELL WE REALIZE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AT 6:00 AM IS WHEN IT'S SLOWEST FOR THE MORNING SHIFT AND LATE AT NIGHT IT'S SLOWEST FOR THE NIGHT SHIFT. SO WE EITHER TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TELL SOMEBODY COME IN LATE OR GO HOME EARLY TRYING TO HELP WITH THAT ASPECT OF THIS. BUT I MEAN SOMETIMES WE JUST CAN'T, IT CAN'T BEAT IT. I MEAN AND OUR BIGGEST GOAL IS, IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT LEAST EVERYBODY UNDER 200 STAY UNDER TWO. OH. THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS. AND WE'RE MEETING ON SOME IT, IT'S TOUGH ON OTHERS. IT'S GOOD INFORMATION. I TRY TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER. I POSSIBLY CAN WHEN YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH SOME. YEAH, WELL NOT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT'S 4, 4 80. ANYTHING OVER FOUR 80 IS WHEN WE HAVE TO START PAYING BY LAW. SO, OKAY, SO WHERE DO YOU WANT US TO GO NEXT TO IN THIS ONE? WE CAN START, WE CAN START RIGHT THERE. WHEREVER YOU WANT TO START. FIRST PAGE. EVERYBODY GOT THE BOOK AND I HOPE, I HOPE IT IS LAID OUT GOOD ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND IT. YEAH. THIS IS NEW ONE I'LL GIVE HERE IN LITTLE, THIS IS ON A DIFFERENT PLACE BACK. YOUR BROWN, YOUR BROWN BOOK IS ALRIGHT. THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE WORKING OFF OF. CAN YOU BRING BOOK? UH, I I DIDN'T BRING SPARE. I'M SORRY. THAT'S ALL. SEND IT TO US. THE PDF D TO PUT IT IN IT. REALLY MY COMPUTER. I KNOW I SHOULDA HAVE DONE THAT. I APOLOGIZE. AS, AS WE START GOING DOWN THROUGH HERE, YOU CAN PRETTY WELL SEE. UH, I, AS FAR AS MY ASPECT OF IT IS TRYING TO GET, UH, POSITION AND PAY, I LOST ALL THAT MONEY WHEN I BECOME SHERIFF AND ALL THE OTHER ELECTED ONES ARE GETTING IT. SO ALL I'M DOING IS ASKING FOR IT. UH, AND THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THAT, THAT'S FINE. I, THAT'S THE LEAST OF MY WORDS. AND WASN'T THAT BY AGAIN MA ON THE CERTIFICATE PIPE? OKAY. I YOU LOST IT WHEN YOU BECAME SHERIFF? YES. OKAY. BECAUSE IT WASN'T BUDGETED WHEN I TALKED TO YOU. IT WASN'T BUDGETED WITH THE OLD SHERIFF SO I DIDN'T GET IT. SO IT IS WHAT IT IS. I'M NOT GONNA CRY OVER IT. YEAH, I'M GONNA JUST KEEP, I'M GONNA KEEP MOVING FORWARD. UH, SO THE BIG THING IS THAT WE'RE, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH HERE, YOU'LL SEE THE CHANGES I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO GO TO UM, AMMUNITION AT 4,200. UH, I'VE GOT THE QUOTE BACK HERE ON THE BACK AND THIS IS FOR THE DETENTION OFFICERS. WE RUN EVERY DETENTION OFFICER THROUGH, UH, TRAINING AS CERTIFIED WITH A HANDGUN WHERE THEY CAN GO OUT. IT IS CHEAPER FOR ME TO SEND DETENTION OFFICER THAN IT IS A DEPUTY TO WATCH PRESIDENT ARE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL. SO WE GET EVERYBODY CERTIFIED AND DOING THAT AND THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES. 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT DOING THE ONCE A YEAR QUALIFYING, WE'RE DOING TWICE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE CARRY IT DOING LESS THAN ANYBODY. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE EFFICIENT. AND WE DO PLENTY OF REMEDIAL BECAUSE YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE BACK HERE NEED QUITE A BIT OF REMEDIAL TRAINING. SO THAT'S WHY. AND [00:45:01] THAT'S NEVER BEEN FIGURED IN IN THAT. AND WE DID GO THROUGH, WE DID A SWAP WITH THE REVOLVER AND GOT A NINE MILLIMETER, UH, TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOME OF THE WOMEN WITH A SMALLER HAND. SO WE DID THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE INCREASES FOR THE AMMUNITION, THE COMPUTER FORENSICS. YOU CAN SEE THAT'S, I'VE GOT THAT BROKE DOWN. WE'LL MOVE TO THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT IT IS 10,600. I KIND OF DROPPED THAT A LITTLE BIT AND I'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN A MINUTE ON THAT 'CAUSE I'VE GOT THAT LOW LINE ITEM BROKE DOWN WHERE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART FROM WHAT GEORGE? THIS POINT? YES. THIS, THIS IS ALL THE, UH, FORENSIC THAT WE DO FOR CELL PHONE, CELL PHONES AND UH, ALL THE UH, COMPUTER, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN OUR FORENSIC LABS. UH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL SELL THAT BECAUSE THAT LINE ITEM IS BROKE DOWN. LATEST LINE ITEM, UH, GOING DOWN TO THE FINGERPRINT AND UH, BODY EQUIPMENT, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE BACK PAGE I THINK ARE THE SECOND PAGE BEHIND THAT. AFTER THE AMMUNITIONS WE SEE THIS IS WHERE, UM, OUR BODY ARMOR IT'S GONNA GO UP AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PEOPLE YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE PAYING 7, 9, 5. OCTOBER 1ST IT'S GOING TO 8 45. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY JUST BY BEHIND HERE THAT THEIR BODY ARMOR IS EXPIRED THAT WE NEED TO BUY PLUS THE 11 THAT WE HAD EVEN HIRED THAT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE BODY ARMOR ON. SO, AND LIKE I SAY, IT'S GOT A LIFESPAN OF FIVE YEARS. SO I YES, YES SIR. AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TRYING TO LOOK IN AND FIND WHAT WE TRULY HAD TO HAVE. 'CAUSE I CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY GET SHOT WITH IT EXPIRED. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S ONLY, WE DON'T WANT TO EITHER. NO, NO. I HOPE THEY EXPIRE WITHOUT NEVER DOING THAT. SO THAT, THAT'S THE INCREASE OF THAT ONE. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS JUST TRYING TO, WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING BETWEEN MOBILES AND PORTALS. JUST MAKE THAT INTO ONE LINE OUTTA IT. WE NEED TO PUT MOBILE PORTABLE RADIOS INSTEAD HAVING TWO OF THEM AND PUT THE MONEY ALL IN ONE LINE. IT'D BE EASIER FOR ALL OF US. THE INVESTIGATIVE SUPPORT, YOU LOOK ON THE BACK. THIS IS A, IF YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE HAD TO ADD 54 80, I JUST ADDED 55. ROUNDING IT OFF THE VERY LAST PHASE. UH, BEHIND THAT YOU'LL SEE THIS NEW LEGISLATOR. I'VE GOTTA BUY A BRAND NEW LAW BOOKS FOR EVERYBODY AND, AND THE POCKET GUIDES TO MAKE SURE OUR PEOPLE WE'RE DEALING WITH YOUNG PEOPLE. THEY GOTTA HAVE THIS BOOK IN THE CAR WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THE LAW WELL. BUT WE ALWAYS BUY IT EVERY TWO YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THEM. ARE THEY MAKING THIS AVAILABLE YET? DIGITAL YOU CAN DO IT, BUT WE DON'T PROVIDE 'EM THEIR PHONES. SOME OF 'EM THEIR PHONES. SO THEN WE'RE GETTING THERE TO DATA. SO AND SOMETIMES THERE'S PLACES OUT THERE THAT DON'T WORK. YEAH. SO, UM, HOW ABOUT IN THE SQUAD CARS ON THEIR COMPUTERS AND THERE WOULD BE AVAILABLE THERE, IT CAN BE AVAILABLE THERE, BUT THE THING ABOUT THAT IS IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INTERNET ACCESS, IT'S DOWN. ALRIGHT. BUT THE HARD COPY IS USUALLY THE WAY WE LIKE TO GO BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CAR, IT'S IN THERE AND THE POCKET GUY MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE INCREASE IN THAT. AND THEN THE CAR EXCHANGE, WE'LL COVER THAT AT THE END, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LINE ITEM ON THAT. AND THEN THE ANIMAL CONTROL. ALL I'M DOING IS I MOVED THAT JUST TO WHERE WE'RE HEADED RIGHT NOW. I FIGURED OUT WHAT WE'RE SPINNING AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT COMPARISON TO WHERE WE'RE AT. I KNOW DOWN THE ROAD WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING OR WHATEVER, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M PULLING MONEY OUT TO TRY TO FIND MONEY TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY OVER EXPENSES. SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A NEW CONTRACT CONTRACT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ANIMAL? YES. NOT THE, THE ANIMAL CONTROL CONTRACT THAT WE'VE GOT WITH HIM DOWN THERE TO HAUL DOWN. YES. THAT AND THE THE CAT LEAD. YEAH. HOW MANY, UH, JUST, UH, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT HOW MANY COUNTIES PICK UP CAT? Y'ALL HAVE SOME SHERIFF'S MEETINGS. Y'ALL SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT DEATH. YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT. ASR AND JUST ANIMALS IN GENERAL. HOW MUCH IT, I JUST WONDER HOW MANY COUNTIES ACTUALLY PICK UP. WE CAN PUT IT OUT THERE ON THE LIST. HER FIND OUT HOW MANY CATS. YEAH, I MEAN WE CAN PUT IT OUT THERE INSIDE. DON'T HAVE, BUT I MEAN WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT. YEAH. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON. YEAH. AND ESPECIALLY WITH TWO ANIMAL CONTROL PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. Y'ALL SEEN THE NUMBERS GO UP. WHAT, WHAT'S THE D ANIMAL CONTROL EXPENSES AND THEN ANIMAL CONTROL. CONTRACT. CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT IS WHAT? THE ONE WITH THE UH, CEDAR CREEK. CEDAR CREEK. AND THEN THE, THE ANIMAL CONTROL EXPENSES [00:50:01] IS ALL THE POLES AND STUFF AND EVERYTHING WE BUY, UH, FOR OUR ANIMAL CONTROL. THEY'RE SELLING THE CAGE. YES. THAT'S ALL THE EQUIPMENT. EQUIPMENT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION WHERE WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT TAB. WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON NOW? UH, THE NEXT TAB, WHICH IS FIVE 60. THAT ITEMIZED BUDGET THAT JUST PRETTY WELL TELLS YOU EVERYWHERE WE'RE SPENDING ANYBODY. I MEAN WE USUALLY, I JUST, I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE SPEND OUR MONEY AND WHAT IS SPENT OUTTA EACH LINE ITEM. WE ALWAYS DO THAT. I WANNA GO BACK TO THIS, UH, FORENSIC STUFF. I SAY IT'S IN THE TAB HERE. WE'RE GOING IT GETTING THROUGH YOU. YES SIR. IT'LL BE THE THIRD TAB. IT IS TEN FOUR FOUR THREE OH SIX FIVE SIXTY. THAT'S ALL THE FORENSIC STUFF. AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'VE GOT GEORGE. WE GO FORENSIC, WE GO. YEAH. SO WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE FORENSIC. IT'S A THIRD PURPLE TAB. IT'S 10 43, 0 6 5 60 IS THE LINE ITEM. ALRIGHT, THE THIRD. YEAH, THE THIRD PURPLE TAB. AND THIS, THIS IS ALL THE, THE BIG COMPUTERS AND ALL THE FORENSIC SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERY YEAR. UH, THE LICENSE FREE AND SOFTWARE IN WHICH I SUPPORT IN THE BACK DATA OF ALL THE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT IT COSTS FOR US, THE LICENSE AND KEEP OUR PEOPLE CERTIFIED TO DO THIS IN WHICH WE DO TONS OF THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE DO CELL PHONES ALL THE TIME ON ALMOST EVERY CASE BETWEEN THAT, I MEAN WE'VE GOT TONS OF, SO WHEN YOU SAY WE, WHO, WHO DOES THAT? THAT IS CAPTAIN GEORGE YORK. AND THEN WE'VE GOT DALLAS FUSE WHO WE'VE GOT FIGURED IN THIS. AND THIS IS WHY SOME OF THIS COME UP TO GET A THIRD PERSON TO HELP WITH PHONES DUMP WITH THE PHONES BECAUSE WE'VE JUST GOT SO MANY PHONES. SO, UH, AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAYBE WORK WITH DEPARTMENTS AND SEE IF WE CAN BETTER SCHEDULE THEM OR COMBINE SOME OF 'EM OR MOVE STUFF AROUND. WE'RE NOT, HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING, WE'RE JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT. SO IN THE CASE OF GEORGE, HE'S NOT HERE. I WISH HE WAS. I THINK HE'S ON VACATION. I THINK THIS WEEK SOMEBODY TOLD ME. SO EXACTLY HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH TIME DOES GEORGE ACTUALLY SPEND AT, AT YOUR DEPARTMENT? AND I KNOW THAT VARIES MAN. I DON'T KNOW. I SEE HIM HERE AND THERE AND I KNOW HE GETS WHEN WE GET BACK UP. I MEAN I THINK HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS USUALLY THE IT FOR THE COUNTY. IT IS. AND THEN WHEN WE GET SEVERAL CASES COMING IN OR IF FRED'S GONE TO GET TRAINING AND WE GET A CASE COME IN, THEN GEORGE START PICKING IT UP. OKAY. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HIRING SOMEBODY, NOT HIRING BUT CONTRACTING WITH SOMEBODY? NO, WE'RE ALREADY WITH ONE PERSON. WE TAKING ANOTHER INVESTIGATOR AND GETTING HIM CERTIFIED AND JUST DUMPING PHONES BECAUSE PHONES IS A LOT A BIG PROBLEM. YEAH. AND I, I, YEAH, I SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AND PLUS GETTING EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT. DALLAS VICE IS ONE OF OUR GOOD INVESTIGATORS AND HE'S EXCITED AND HE'S ONE OF THOSE TECHNOLOGY INDIVIDUALS THAT LIKES THIS STUFF. AND YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY THAT LOVES TO DO THAT. AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT ALL OUR STUFF IN ONE PERSON PRETTY MUCH BESIDES YARDS AS A BACKUP. WE NEED A SECOND PERSON BECAUSE WHEN HE'S GONE WE DON'T HAVE NO WAY OF NOTHING. PHONES AND YARDS IS BUSY AND TIED UP AND SOMETIMES WE NEED A PHONE. IT'S VERY VITAL IN THAT CASE. AND WHEN RODNEY TELL YOU, BECAUSE HE DEALS WITH ALL THE INVESTIGATORS. SOMETIMES IF WE'VE GOT ONE GONE, WE NEED THIS PHONE NOT PRETTY QUICK. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT EVIDENCE VALUE OR WHAT NEXT STEP WE NEED TO TAKE. YOU CAN'T JUST SEND ANYBODY. NO, I'M SURE I WOULD. I'M SURE I'D BE, THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE AN INTEREST FOR THAT AND BE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THE COMPUTERS WORK AND PHONE WORKS. IT'S A PROGRAM WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY BEING COACHED BY SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE CLASS AND YOU'RE STILL TESTED ALL THE WAY UNTIL THEY SIGN OFF ON YOU AS BEING ABLE TO DO THIS. SO IT'S A AND I'M, I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD HERE AND I I'M NOT DISCUSSED IT WITH ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, PARTICULARLY, BUT I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT IF IF GEORGE HAD LESS RESPONSIBILITY, HE COULD SPEND MORE TIME AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WORKING ON THIS SORT STUFF. AND I, AND, AND WITH THAT GEORGE BEING HERE, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T GUESS WE CAN GET AN ANSWER, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU I KNOW HE LOVES DOING THAT. I THINK AND EVIDENTLY VERY GREAT. HE DOES SO MUCH. I KEEP, I MEAN I, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS, HE DIED, HE GOT THE COUNTY. YES. WE HE'S ABLE DOING ALL THAT. SO WE KIND, HE WAS ALWAYS KIND OF A OVERFLOW AND HE GOT BACKED UP AND [00:55:01] STUFF LIKE THAT. UH, WE, WE TRY NOT TO DEPEND ON IT BECAUSE HE HE'S GOT SO MUCH IN THE CAN. I'M JUST ASKING. YEAH, NO. AND THATS WHAT WE DOES MOST OF IT. BURGER DOES UH, UH, BRUCE JANUARY, HE, HE'S HE'S CAPABLE OF DOING THE PHONES. BUT LIKE WE SAID, WE JUST SENT FILE. YOU GOTTA HAVE A TYPE OF AN INVESTIGATIVE TYPE OF MIND TO GET IN THERE AND SEE YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHY, WHY YOU WANT THE INFORMATION, GET STUFF OFF IT, PLUG UP THE PROGRAM BASICALLY. WELL THERE'S A LOT MORE. THERE'S DIFFERENT MEAN THAT'S WHAT IT TONS DIFFERENT. YEAH. IT'S PLUGGING IT UP. BUT THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT POLICIES. HER HOW TO PULL THAT INFORMATION AND THEN BE ABLE TO READ THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE EASILY PLUGGING THAT IN, YOU JUST RUIN EVERYTHING. YEAH. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BECAUSE I KNOW I WATCHING NEWS, I WATCHING, THEY SAID IPHONE, THEY TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION OFF OF THE B AND COULDN'T GET. YEAH. AND THEN THEY WIND UP BREAKING IT. BUT YEAH, THERE'S A LOT. AND THEN IT IS A NETWORK BUILD. JUST LIKE WE ALL GO TO THIS KIND, WHEN THEY GO TO THESE SCHOOLS OF COLLEGE, THEY NETWORK 'CAUSE EVERYBODY FINDS A NEW WAY AND THEY'RE ALWAYS, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS, THIS NEW STUFF'S COMING IN. THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING. IT'S, IT'S REALLY FUNNY TO LISTEN TO SITTING THERE AND TALK BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING PEOPLE FINDING NEW WAYS. DOING YEAH. WHAT YOU CAN. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA KEEP ON BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. I MEAN THAT'S EVERYTHING. EVERYBODY USES THEIR PHONE OR COMPUTER AND DOES SOMETHING. SURE. MM-HMM . SO IT'S A BIG THING. BUT IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE ON THAT, THIS TOTAL WAS 91,000. I ONLY PUT IT AS 81,000. I THINK WE CAN UH, I ONLY DROPPED IT IF I THINK I, I CAN MANAGE THE REST AND WE CAN BUDGET THE STUFF OUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO I DROPPED IT BY OKAY. TO 81. TRYING TO, I THINK WE CAN MANAGE SOME OF THAT BACK WHERE ON THE FRONT PAGE THAT IT'S RIGHT THERE. FORENSIC COMPUTER FORENSIC SAYS 43 0 6 5 60. IT'S ABOUT MIDWAY. IT'S A COMPUTER FORENSIC. GO BACK ONE AND HE SENT ME THIS AT NINE ONE. SO I SAID YEAH I'M GOING. I THINK WE CAN, OKAY. WE CAN MANAGE SOME STUFF. THINGS WILL GET A LITTLE CHEAPER IN SOME OF THAT, BUT I'LL MANAGE THAT PART OF IT. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT MORE OF THAT AND THE REST OF IT'S ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENT BEHIND IT OF THE TRAINING AND EVERYTHING THEY HAVE TO DO. WHICH I KNOW Y'ALL ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. Y'ALL HAD TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT? NO, I JUST, I KNOW LINES TOLD THAT GUY CAME, TALKED ABOUT THIS STUFF IS PRETTY AMAZING WHAT YOU DO. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S, YEAH AND I'M VERY FORTUNATE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE GET PAID A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THAT AND WE HADN'T LOST ONE YET, MR. REMEMBER YOU DELETED YOUR PHONE. YEAH. IT DON'T MEAN ANYTHING WHEN YOU DELETED. YEAH. YEAH. IT, IT'S THERE. IT JUST MEANS I CAN'T FIND IT. SO THAT'S PRETTY WELL ALL THAT ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENT. FAR AS UH, THE NEXT ONE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FLEET. THAT'LL BE YOUR FOURTH HALF. THE ONE IN HOT PURPLE. YES SIR. YEAH. AS WE GO DOWN THROUGH HERE, THIS IS, THIS IS, WE EVALUATED OUR, UH, FLEET IN WHICH Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE WHOLE FLEET LIST ON THE BACK AND EVERYTHING WITH ALL THE MILEAGE. UH, LOOKING AT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN PURCHASE SEVEN VEHICLES AND ONE OF THIS BEING A CRIME SCENE VEHICLE. SIX OF 'EM FOR PATROL. AND WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FORD INTERCEPTORS. I JUST, WE'VE SAT AND TALKED COMMAND STAFF. IT'S JUST HARD TO PAY $50,000 FOR THE PHOTO. UH, SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF BETTER UH, BANG FOR OUR BUCKS AT 40. UH, WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDED IN THE, I SAW SOMEBODY IN THE COUNTY HAD ONE, NOT NOT COUNTY VEHICLE. I SAW ONE, I GUESS SOME POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD A FORD INTERSECTION. YES. CRANDALL'S GOT 'EM. KAUFMAN'S GOT SOME UH, DPS HAS GOT THE NEWER ONES AND THEY'RE LIKING IT. MAYBE IT WAS A DPS VEHICLE PROBLEM. THEY'VE GOT A FEW OF THOSE. SO GUY GETTING A TIRE TANK ON THE DAY THE TIRE DOESN'T DOWN AND HE HAD ONE KEEP GOING IN. WE OWE EVERYBODY'S THE RIGHT TO LOOK AT VEHICLES THAT DON'T COST NEAR AS MUCH. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT THE CHARGERS IN NOW, UH, WE'VE GOT FOUR OF THOSE IN TRANSPORT AND WE'VE GOT ONE THAT CAN BE HIT THE STREET. WE'RE GONNA TRY IT ON THE STREET. I MEAN IT'S OUR LITTLE CHEAPER. WE'LL SIT ALL UP. I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT ANYTHING. WELL IT'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE MORE ECONOMICAL. IT'S JUST NOT PURSUIT RATED. I'M NOT, THAT'S LIKE THE TRUCKS. I LOVE THE TRUCKS. I WISH I COULD GET IN THEM TRUCKS AND THEY'RE A LOT CHEAPER BUT THEY'RE NOT PURSUIT RATED. AS SOON AS I PUT AN OFFICER IN IT AND SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEM. YEP, I'LL GET SUED. ALRIGHT. AND LISA, YOU'RE YOU CHIP IN HERE TOO. I WAS LOOKING FOR THE CHEVY SPARKS , [01:00:03] HOW THAT GOES OVER. OKAY. SO, UH, I FOUND OUT SOME STUFF AND WE CAN UH, BUY OUR LEASE VEHICLE THROUGH OUR LOCAL DEALERSHIPS IF THEY'LL GIVE US PRICE AND UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A PART OF BUY BOARD. THEY DO HAVE TO BE A PART OF IF WE'RE PURCHASING ANYTHING THAT'S MORE THAN $50,000. YEAH. SO WE COULD BID, WE COULD BID 'EM OUT OR DO A, WE WE COULD PUT OUT A FORMAL BID AND SEND IT TO ALL OF OUR LOCAL DEALERS AND LET THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET TOGETHER A SPEC SHEET. AND BRIAN AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY AND I KIND OF THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. OH I THINK I, IF PEOPLE ARE SPENDING TAX DOLLARS HERE, WHY NOT SPEND MONEY I WANT TO TALK TO, TO MY, APPARENTLY HE SAID THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH I HADN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK AT, I NEED TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THE BUYBOARD. BUT IF YOU GO TO ANOTHER VENDOR AND IT'S CHEAPER, THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN HAVE THROUGH THAT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? NO, I AIN'T EITHER. SO I'M GONNA GO TALK TO HIM AND SEE IF I CAN GET SOME INPUT ON THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S APPARENTLY HOW SOME TIME, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE BUYING SOME STUFF. WHO IS IT? WELL WHY ARE Y'ALL GOING THROUGH THAT? YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT LITTLE UH, LOOK. GOVERNMENT CODE THAT TELLS 'EM I HAVE 30 DAYS TO TURN AN INVOICE AROUND 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT 'EM CALLING ME AND WALKING UP HERE WANTING ME TO CUT A CHECK THE SAME DAY 'CAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. YEAH, YEAH. WE, WE DO HAVE KIND AN ISSUE WITH THAT, WITH LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I ACTUALLY HAD A, AN IRATE LOCAL KAUFMAN COUNTY DEALER THAT WE HAD BOUGHT A CAR FROM, I DUNNO WHAT THE DEPARTMENT IT WAS, BUT DA'S OFFICE. OKAY. WE BOUGHT, BOUGHT A VEHICLE DOWN THERE AND THE COURT HAD ALREADY APPROVED IT. AND, UH, SO JUST ACTUALLY GUESS WOULD BE A PART OF THE, OF AUDITOR'S DECISION. BUT HE WANTED HIS CHECK THAT DAY. HE WHAT? TALK ABOUT IT. AND I SAID, WELL, I, I CAN'T CALL THAT TO HAPPEN. MY THOUGHT IS, AND WE MAY WANT TALK TO THE DA'S OFFICE ABOUT THIS, THAT I'LL ASK YOU DO THAT IF WE'VE ALREADY VOTED TO PAY FOR IT IN COURT, COULDN'T WE GO AHEAD AND GIVE THEM A CHECK SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT UNTIL, UH, ACTUAL ITEM IS DELETED. OKAY. I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS A VALID CONCERN AND PLUS HE WAS A VERY UNHAPPY GUY WHEN I TALKED TO HIM. AND SO, UH, OKAY. ROB. HMM. OKAY. IT WAS A, UH, FORD, UH, OR WHATEVER. WHAT WAS IT? IT WAS TAURUS. I BELIEVE HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT IT FALLING APART BEFORE HE GOT THE MONEY YOU GET MADE. WELL, I THINK WE GOTTA PAY HIM WHEN WE HIT THE VEHICLE. IT'D BE NOT, BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE THE VEHICLE. WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, NOT, I MEAN WE, WE PASSING COURT. WHAT HE IS SAYING IS WE NEVER APPROVED IT'S APPROVED. DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T I GIVING HIM HIS MONEY BEFORE WE, I WOULD DO THAT BY ANY OH YEAH. YOU KNOW. OH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD PRACTICE. IF THAT TAKES A COURT ORDER TO DO THAT OR SOMETHING. MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT DOING THAT AND WE NEED TO GET WITH, UH, KAREN, REBECCA AND SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT. I DUNNO WHY WE, I'M, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. ONCE IT'S APPROVED, I BE ABLE TO PAY. I'M WITH YOU. WELL, SOMETIMES ONCE IT GETS THE PRODUCT, WRITE THE CHECK, YOU KNOW, CASE SOMETIMES PROCESS THE INVOICE. I IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. YEAH. BUT ONCE WE TAKE DELIVERY ON IT, NOT, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY ON THIS, I'M KIND OF, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WE HAVE FOR US IS WHEN WE SEND BILLS AND THEN TWO WEEKS, WE ONLY GET TO PAY BILLS EVERY TWO WEEKS. AND I THINK THAT HONESTLY THAT CAUSES US LOT OF IS EVERY TWO WEEKS. BECAUSE IF WE GET SOMETHING IN LATE AND WE MESS, MAN, IT'S A AND THAT'S MONTH. YEAH. AND IT'S A MONTH AND IT'S TOUGH. WE, WE ALREADY TICKED SOME OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. IF WE GET A BILL THAT SAYS IT'S DUE BY EIGHT EIGHT BEFORE ION SCORE OUR A CLERK, GO AHEAD AND PROCESS THAT EARLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET CHARGED LATE FEES OR FINANCE FEES OR THINGS LIKE THAT OR SOMETHING. WELL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HER OFFICE IS CLEANED UP TREMENDOUSLY. AS, AS THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. IF IT'S A SET UP VENDOR, REGULAR VENDOR EVERY TIME CALLS, IT MAKES NO SENSE. WE'RE NOT PAYING ON THAT. THAT'S WHY WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT. I JUST, I'M JUST HERE A FEW. WHENEVER ALL THIS STARTED, STARTED PAYING, IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC PAYMENT THAT YOU GUYS NEED US TO, I MEAN IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REGULAR, YOU MIGHT WANNA CONTACT US AND SAY, HEY, THIS ONE'S COMING COURT AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE GONNA WIND UP. THE PROBLEM IS, IF SOME OF Y'ALL GET CROSSED AND I DO THAT AFTER I'VE CALLED YOU AND ASKED YOU [01:05:01] IF IT'S OKAY, THEN I'M GONNA GET RAKED OVER THE COLES LIKE I DID A FEW MONTHS BACK. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING. YOU DIDN'T, SIR. I KNOW YOU DIDN'T. AND JUDGE WOOD BACKED ME UP. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT WAS A DIFFERENT COURT AND IT GOT NASTY. DID IT NOT JUDGE WOOD YOU LOVE NEXT TO PEOPLE. I'M TELLING YOU BE OFF SOMEBODY. I WOULD WOULD LIKE FOR US TO SEE IF THERE'S A CLEANER WAY, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM LIKES THE IDEA WE CAN BUY 'EM LOCALLY. LET, I'M THE FIRST ONE THERE TO SAY THAT I, I WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT LOCAL STUFF IS, OH, YOU SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS US. THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT WHERE IT'S AT. AND IF WE LEAVE A CHECK THE DAY THEY GET THE CAR, S***T WILL WRITE IT AND WE'LL REIMBURSE , HEY, THAT'S THE NEXT COURT DATE WE, THAT'S GONNA PICK ME UP FOR HOT CHECK . OH, I'M SORRY. SO PRETTY WELL THAT I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE FOR PATROL AND THEN THE ONE'S GONNA BE FOR OUR, OUR CRIME SCENE VAN. OUR CRIME SCENE VAN 2001. AND IT'S, IT'S COST. THIS MINISTRY, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY IN IT. UH, I KNOW WE PUT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT I THINK WE, LIKE WE DID THIS LAST TIME WE PUT MONEY BACK, BUT I THINK WE SAVED ABOUT EIGHT OR $10,000 WHEN WE BOUGHT CHANGED UP AND WE EVEN GOT TWO EXTRA MORE CARDS AND BUYING TAHOE. BUT I THINK WE CAN SAVE A LITTLE MORE MONEY, UH, TALKING WITH SOME VENDORS. UH, AND I'M NOT BAD ABOUT DOING THIS TOO BAD, BUT I THINK WE CAN GO FIND A USED, UH, GONE THROUGH LIKE THE RENTAL COMPANY OR SO PRETTY GOOD. WE MIGHT CUT THE PRICE ON THE CERTIFIED. YEAH. YEAH. SO I, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PURSUIT RATE OR NOTHING, BUT I, I'VE TALKED TO DAN, WE PUT IT IN THERE AT 27 OR 26. I THINK WE MIGHT CAN GET A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT BECAUSE ALL IT'S GOTTA BE IS CARGO BANDING WE PUT OFF. BUT I'VE GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING TO DO. RIGHT. BECAUSE THIS MYSELF, YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING, YOU LOOKED AT THESE SIX VEHICLES DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM. UH, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF MILEAGE AND I DUNNO WHETHER THEY'RE RUNNING OR NOT. I MEAN, OH THESE, THESE ARE DOWN ON THE ROAD AND THAT'S THEY YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF MILES. OH MAN. FOR, I MEAN USED THEM FOR, I MEAN THEIR FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR CARS OUT THAT BANK. I MEAN WE PRETTY WELL LOOK OVER HERE AND SEE OUR FLEET. WE'VE GOT SOME 2015 WE BOUGHT THE, SO LEMME ASK FOR YOU DO YEAH, 91, I MEAN WE'RE PRETTY HIGH ON THEM ALREADY ON THESE VEHICLES. COULD WE, WE COULDN'T PUT THEM IN THIS UH, UPCOMING AUCTION THAT WE'RE FIXING NOW. WELL I'M USING THEM. OKAY. YEAH, I'M, WHAT I'VE DONE IS I KNOW WE'VE ALWAYS, I THOUGHT WE'VE GOT A HALF DOZEN OR SO OUT THERE. YEAH, WE'VE GOT QUITE A BIT. THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS MY ASPECT AND THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT STUFF, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AWE WE ARE GETTING SIX CARS, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOU GET SIX CARS. AND WE'RE DOING THAT ASPECT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE DON'T NEED THE CAR, WE'VE BEEN TAKEN OUT THERE. I THINK WE'RE EVEN OVER WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND LIKE I TOLD THE, IT COMES UP WHERE WE DIDN'T GIVE A FIVE BACK WHEN WE GOT SIX. I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, I GAVE TONS OF CARS BACK, BUT I REALLY DON'T CARE. I'LL TELL YOU WHY I NEED IT. IF WE DON'T NEED IT, I WANT IT OFF OUR LOT. I DON'T CARE. LET'S SELL IT AND GET WHAT WE CAN GET OUTTA IT AND MOVE ON. BRIAN, YOU SAID THE GRAND TOTAL FOR EXCHANGE IS 2 7 1 7 10, RIGHT? YES MA'AM. OKAY, THEN EXPLAIN TO ME ON YOUR BUDGET SHEET YOU HAVE 1 0 3 9 75. YOU GOT ME LOST ON NUMBERS ON THE REGULAR BUDGET? YEAH. OH, I DON'T, I THINK OH THAT'S A DIFFERENCE FROM LAST YEAR OR NO, I DIDN'T, I JUST, I MESSED THAT UP. I'LL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAD 2 25, 9 35 LAST YEAR AND IT'LL BE 2 71 17. I MESSED THAT UP FOR YOU. I JUST, YEAH. 'CAUSE IN THAT LINE ITEM WE HAD OTHER PEOPLE VEHICLES. I REMEMBER THAT. YES MA'AM. OKAY, WELL THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED OUT WHAT WE HAD OUR PART IN IN TAHOES AND 'CAUSE Y'ALL HAD 300 AND SOMETHING IN THERE. RIGHT. AND I PULLED OUT WHAT EXACTLY OUR TAHOES WERE. I THINK THAT WAS TWO FOR THE DA AND ONE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. FIRE MARSHAL. FIRE MARSHAL. I THINK SO. SO YES, I'VE GOT PUBLIC, IT WORKS. IT SHOULD JUST BE 2 71. OKAY. IT THIS NUMBER OVER HERE IS 2 7 1 IS CORRECT NUMBER. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO MISS CONFUSE YOU. NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW YOU. HEY, IF THAT'S THE ONLY MISTAKE I MADE IN THIS, I'M DOING YOU, [01:10:01] THAT'S, I WON'T BE AS TRANSPARENT. I I THINK Y'ALL ALWAYS KNOWN THAT IN MY BUDGET. I'M ALWAYS GONNA BE AS TRANSPARENT AS I POSSIBLY CAN. I I'M GONNA GIVE YOU EVERYTHING. WE GOT THESE COPY VEHICLES. YES. THIS ONE WE GOT ELMO. I AND UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THESE DOWN SO THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING THEM IN IN THE BUDGET AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE KEEPING A SEPARATE, UH, OF ALL THE VEHICLES THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR OR ARE YOU DOING IT BY, WE EMAILED YOU A, A LIST OF EVERYTHING THUS FAR THAT EVERYBODY HAD ASKED FOR. RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT WE HADN'T ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE BUDGET BUDGET UNLESS YOU HAD ALREADY SAID IN COURT, YES WE CAN DO IT. I THINK LIKE MAYBE THE LIBRARY HAD ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES AND Y'ALL SAID OKAY AND WE DID THAT. YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN EXAMPLE AND SOME OF THE VEHICLES, WEREN'T THEY CONTINGENT ON HIRING NEW PEOPLE EMPLOYEES? BECAUSE Y WAS TALKING ABOUT UM, PUBLIC WORKS, FARM MARSHAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL. I THINK REMEMBER IN THE PAST WE'VE ALWAYS WE THEM ALL OUT. WE PUT CAPITAL OUT LATE DEPARTMENT. WE DON'T PUT IT IN SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS SO WE CAN KEEP ALL THE VEHICLES WE BOUGHT. I WOULD THINK ON THESE VEHICLES I WOULD BE CERTAIN AHEAD AND ADD THESE THEM. SO EVERYTHING'S PRESENTED APPROVED. OKAY. I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT CONSTABLE SIGNED OFF. I MEAN I KNOW TWO. YEAH, WE KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING, HAD TWO PIGS. 200 PLUS THOUSAND MILES COST. I HAVE BUT I THINK WE SAID I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT, SO GO AHEAD. SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, IT'S ACCORDING PUT BOTH THE TWO AT PRECINCT, ONE AT TWO AND ONE AT FOUR. YEAH, WELL 3, 3 2 DID TWO. AND YOU NEED TWO ONLY. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON ONLY ONE. ONLY WE DID THAT'S RIGHT. IF WE DID THE OTHER OFFICER. YEAH, WE DID THE OTHER OFFICER WE TOO. ALRIGHT, SO YOU NEED ONE FOR SURE THIS POINT. OKAY. AND HE NEEDED ONE. OKAY. SO THEY BOTH HAD THE OLD CROWN, THEY COST THEM ONE WAY. EVERY TIME WE GO OVER THERE IT BREAKS DOWN WHEN YOU TOLD THE DA TO MEET WITH ME ABOUT THE TWO POSITIONS. MM-HMM . SHE NEEDS 24,000 TO BUY HIM A VEHICLE. THE INVESTIGATOR. MM-HMM . PLUS A GUN BECAUSE SHE SAID A DARK. SO THAT'S TO LET YOU KNOW. WELL GO AHEAD. BE LIKE A BOTTLE OR SOMETHING. YEAH. WAS THAT A JOKE? NO. Y'ALL GET THAT EMAIL. OH, I GOT IT. NO PART GOOD COMMISSIONER AIN'T RIDING AROUND ARMY OR SOMETHING. YEAH. FOR 10,000 AND THEY HAD A $10,000 MERCEDES AND HE SAID WE NEED TO BUY THIS, WE CAN USE THIS AS A COUNTY CAR. AND I THOUGHT, AND I THOUGHT MAYBE HE'S THINKING ABOUT A DRUG CAR, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. AND YOU SAID IT TO BE A GOOD DRUG CAR. I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION WHILE WE'RE ON VEHICLES. YEAH. AND KIND OF A CUMULATIVE VEHICLE TYPE COUNT. SURE. I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL AND I FORWARDED IT TO YOU AND I SHOWED KAREN, UM, THE ADULT PROBATION, UH, DAVID, DANIEL, HE JUST SENT ME A REQUEST FOR TWO VEHICLES, TWO NEW VEHICLES. I THINK THEY PAID FOR THEIRS. THEY PAID FOR THEIRS. PAY FOR THEIRS. OKAY. YEAH. IT DOESN'T NEED TO COME THROUGH TO BE BUDGETED AT ALL. IT ALL GOES THROUGH THERE OTHER, 'CAUSE HE'S BRINGING IT OUT OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO RETURN FUNDS TO THE STATE BECAUSE HE'S GOT A QUOTE. KW HAD JUST TALKED TO ME ABOUT THAT FOR THE MEETING. GOOD. 'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, DOESN'T THAT, THAT'S CAPITAL JUDGE WOOD. YES MA'AM. UH, IN THE NOTES IT WAS CONSTABLE PRECINCT TWO THAT DIDN'T GET TO SHOW UP BUT HE WAS REQUESTING A NEW VEHICLE. I THINK COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS BROUGHT THAT UP AND THEN UM, HE'S GOT A THREE, VEHICLE THREE THREE. HE HAD A BUNCH OF BOOKS RELEASES. FIRE MARSHAL. YEAH. UH, ASKED FOR A NEW VEHICLE WILL HAVE TO BE PAID OUT OF THE FIRE CODE FUND OR POSSIBLE OPERATING LEASE. MAYBE THEY SAID HALF SIR. HALF OF IT. HALF [01:15:01] OF IT PAID OUT THE FIRE CODE FUND. YEAH. YEAH. UH, THEN ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER, UH, HE WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD NEED NEW VEHICLES AND IT WANTED TWO OF THEM AND TWO VEHICLES. YES SIR. UH, CONSTABLE PRECINCT THREE, UH, WANTED A NEW DEPUTY WITH A NEW VEHICLE AND ALL THAT. UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRECINCT FOUR CONSTABLE ASKED FOR A NEW VEHICLE ALSO. YOU DID? YES. YES. HE ASKED FOR WHO WANTED POSITION. HE, HE WANTED ANOTHER DEPUTY PLUS A CAR. YEAH, RIGHT. I THINK THEY WERE WORKING TOGETHER ON WITH UH, PRECINCT TWO CONSTABLE ON THE ADDIT INITIAL CONTROL OR SOMETHING. AND THEN GEORGE, GEORGE YORK REQUEST A NEW VEHICLE FOR FOR GAGE FOR THE UM, THE METH SYSTEM. THAT'S SMART. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT'S MARKED FOR. FOR YOU DON'T LOOK AT S SUV. THE ONE I'M GIVING TO THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE. UH, THERE ARE SOME LPG GAS MODEL, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST I DON'T, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL GOT GO THAT MEETING. UH, BUT THERE IS A CHANCE, THE ISSUE WITH THOSE IS THE FILLING STATION WHERE FILLING UP AND THEY WOULD, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA USE CONTROL OR ANYTHING, BUT THEY COULD BE USED BY PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER PEOPLE GO OUT AND CHECK AND, I DUNNO. WELL THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I, THAT, UH, PAM SAID SHE HAD DONE SOME, UH, 'CAUSE THERE WERE LIKE SOME GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THAT STUFF. AND SO SHE HAD KIND OF INVESTIGATED FURTHER INTO IT. AND THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING AROUND IN, IN THE, THE RURAL AREAS LIKE US, WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE STATIONS AVAILABLE, UM, TO, TO FILL 'EM UP. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT FIRSTHAND I'M GOING BY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SHE SAID. BUT YEAH, I MEAN THEY, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND OUT IF GRANT INCLUDED A FILLING STATION. IF IT DID, THAT WOULD BE NICE. MM-HMM . BUT YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT, BUT I THINK YOU SAID WE COULD FILL EM UP DOWN HERE OR SOMEBODY SAID WE NO, I DIDN'T. I SAID I I THOUGHT THEY HAD A THING AND THERE MAY BE SOME STATIONS. THERE'S SEVERAL, ALL THE ACTUAL PLACES THEY HAVE BECAUSE THEY FILL UP FOR ALL THE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS. NATURAL GAS. HUH? HE'S OF HIS NATURAL GAS PROGRAM. YEAH. EITHER NATURAL GAS AND YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK IF IT'S SOME PLACE, LIKE IT'S TWO BLOCKS DOWN THE FREEWAY RUN I THINK. OKAY. ON THE, UH, ON THE ADDITIONAL VEHICLE FOR PRECINCT THREE, HE'S ASKED FOR TWO AND AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER. RIGHT NOW WE'RE APPROVING ONE VEHICLE AND WE'LL COME BACK AND LOOK AT THE ADDITIONAL OFFICER AND THE OTHER VEHICLE LATER ON. I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY WIND UP DOING THAT. WHO WAS THAT SIR? PRECINCT THREE, THREE AND TWO OF VEHICLE. THAT WAS THE ONLY THING WE WERE REPLACE ONE OF THOSE TWO OTHER ONES WERE WAS SEE THEY GOT PRECINCT TWO AND THREE BOTH NEW VEHICLES? NO, JUST ONE A PIECE. ONE A PIECE. ONE PIECE WE'RE SAYING. SO BEFORE FIRE MARSHAL AND COOP OR FIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT LEAVE ALONE, FOR NOW I'M JUST PART OF THE FIRE MARSHAL. FIRE MARSHAL, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT IN PRECINCT FOUR. NO GO ON VEHICLES FOR RIGHT NOW. UH, WE, IT IS A LITTLE EARLY FOR US TO TO SAY I THINK. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT THE FIRE MARSHAL IS. HE'S PROBABLY GOT THE FUNDING THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO DO IT THIS YEAR. SO, BUT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO WHERE THOSE DEPARTMENTS LINED UP AT, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THEY STAY LIKE THEY ARE OR UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE MOVE SOME UH, SOME OTHER TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER PRODUCE WE MIGHT JUST ALL UP ON ON THAT. OKAY. SO THEN WE'RE JUST PUTTING THOSE IN THE DAS AND CONSTABLE TWO, TWO AND THREE NEW VEHICLES. YEAH. AND IF WE COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL OFFICERS OR THREE AND MAYBE FOUR, TWO, THAT WOULD BE ME TWO. WE'LL HAVE TO ADD MORE. MORE VEHICLES. HOW MANY VEHICLES DO THEY HAVE NOW? THREE. AND HOW MANY IS JUST THE EVIDENCE? AND UH, JOHN HE WORKS THREE, HE USE HIS EXTRA HELP MONEY TO HIRE ACTUAL DEPUTY. YEAH. OR LIKE I KNOW IF HE HAS IT, DOES HE HAVE ANY PART, I DUNNO WHY THEY GET SO MANY VOLUNTEERS IN TWO. I DON'T HAVE A CLUE ON THAT DEAL, BUT I AIN'T GONNA GO THERE. ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S PRETTY WELL [01:20:01] OUR FLEET AND WE PUT ALL THE INFORMATION THERE, YOU SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT'S COST US TO DO THAT AND WORKING WITH, IF WE DO DO OUR LOCAL PEOPLE AND ABLE GET IN, IT'S EASIER. WE USE A CAT FLEET OUT OF, UH, TEMPLE THAT DOES ALL OF OUR STUFF AND THEY'VE BEEN OUTSTANDING THERE A LOT CHEAPER THAN MOST PEOPLE. AND WHAT WE'LL DO, WE'LL HAVE THE VEHICLE DELIVERED THERE. THEY PUT EVERYTHING AND THEN THEY DELIVER IT BACK TO US. AND I AM VERY PROUD BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME OF THE YEAR. I THINK WE HAD THE CARS SITTING ON THE PARKING LOT LESS THAN A WEEK AND WE HAD THEM ON THE STREET. WELL, UH, WE, WE'VE HAD 'EM SET OUT THERE BEFORE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS BEFORE WE GET 'EM READY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE FINALLY GOT A GOOD AVENUE WITH THEM. THEY COME STICKERED, WE CARRY THE RADIOS DOWN THERE, THEY PUT EVERYTHING IN WHEN TOP DOWN. ALL WE GOTTA DO IS GET THE RADIO AND THE CAMERA PROGRAM AND WE'RE READY TO GO. SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE'RE GETTING OUR VEHICLES ON THE STREET AS FAST AS WE'RE GETTING. SO I GUESS THE NEXT THING IS JUST, UH, PHYSICIANS WITHIN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, WHICH THAT'S PRETTY WELL CHANGED WHEN WE DID, UH, WHEN I COME IN JANUARY AND SHOW EVERYTHING THAT WE CUT DOWN TO ONE CHIEF AND EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE CUT DOWN, BUT IT'S A TOTAL OF 93, WHICH 85 IS BUDGETED OUT OF US. THE OTHER ONE'S OUT OF THE SCHOOL. SO THAT'S PRETTY WELL LIKE I SAY, WE, WE'VE CUT THAT DOWN TO 2K NINE, UH, AND PRETTY WELL DOWN TO ONE LIEUTENANT AND CID ONE LIEUTENANT PATROL, ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE'VE CUT. SO, AND TWO CMVS AND ALL THAT. SO WHAT, UH, SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOT BUDGET POSITION EIGHT FIVE NOT COUNTING THE SCHOOL? THAT IS CORRECT. AND THAT WINDMILL AND AND WINDMILL FARM, THAT ONE, IS THAT THE ONLY ONE WE'RE DOING WIND? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS, IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GOING THIS FAR? GONNA STAY WITH US? I MEAN AS FAR AS I KNOW, I'VE HEARD NOTHING DIFFERENT. UH, CHIEF, CHIEF MET WITH THEM BECAUSE WE TOLD 'EM WE NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THE CONTRACT'S OH FOUR ACTUALLY WE TOLD WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT. SO AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON BOARD. IT WAS SIGN SIGNED IN OH FOUR. THIS IS 17 WORTH WE'RE TOTALLY REIMBURSED FOR, FOR ALL THE SALARIES. AND THEY, AND THEY PERCH AND THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL THE CARS. OH, AND THE SAME WAY WITH WINDMILL FARM. YES. AND THEY BUY THE CARS. WELL THEY BUY PERCENTAGE IT IS PUT IN TO BUY. SO WE GET REIMBURSEMENT. THESE EIGHT FIVE THAT YOU HAVE BUDGETED, UH, YOU'VE GOT, HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE FILLED THAT EVERYTHING BUT 11, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK. YEAH, THAT'S A BIG CHUNK THAT GUYS ON OUR STREET. THERE'S ONE OUR POPULATION, LET'S SAY 115,000, 120,000, 60% OF THOSE LIVE OUT IN THE RURAL AREAS. OH, I I'VE GOT A GOOD BREAKDOWN HERE FOR YOU HERE, HERE IN A MINUTE. I DON'T WANNA PULL MY THUNDER, BUT I GOT A GOOD BREAKDOWN. WELL MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE TO GROW RURAL AREAS AND UH, WE CAN'T FILL POSITIONS. WE HAVE THAT THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE. DON'T GO OUT. GO OUT. AS FAR AS THE DEMOGRAPHICS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE AT 54% OF THE POPULATION IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE DOING ABOUT 61,000 AND WE'RE COVERING UH, 759 SQUARE MILES OUT OF 808 SQUARE MILES AND 113 POPULATION. WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. SO WE'RE DEALING WITH NINE 4% OF THE SQUARE MILES. WHAT IS A CITY COMPARABLE TO? 61,000. 60,000 IES THEY HAVE ON, I DUNNO, I'D HAVE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. WON WE'RE, OH, I GUARANTEE, AND THAT'S THE BIG THING. SQUARE MILES BECAUSE I MEAN YOU LOOK ATTER UH, RUN 16,000 THERE, THEY'RE RUNNING ABOUT 32,000 WHERE WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT 35,000 CALLS OR SERVICE. BUT THEY, THEY ONLY GOT 16 SQUARE MILES. SO IT'S PRETTY EASY. WELL I KNOW I HEAR YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT I MEAN THAT'S HOW YOU GONNA BE A LOT LESS. YEAH. AND BEAR, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CALL AND THEY'RE UP. I GUARANTEE THEY'RE UP INTO THE CITY LIMITS. WE DO. AND TAKE CARE OF A CALL THAT WE TAKE QUITE A FEW CALLS CITY THAT SOMEBODY THE CITY SOMETIMES DON'T TAKE CARE OF. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE COUNTY DON'T SAY NO, WE TAKE CARE OF THE JOB. WE DO. OKAY, WE'LL HEAR MORE BACK. BUT THAT'S PRETTY WELL POSITIONED TO UH, WHERE EVERYBODY IS AT THE BASE PAY AND STUFF. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR POSITION? WE NEED TO GET A NEW CLOCK FOR . THAT ONE'S GOT LOST. DOESN'T, I DUNNO WHAT [01:25:01] DID YOU SEE IT WHEN WE FIRST CAME IN HERE? IT WAS DOING ITS THING AGAIN. I THINK IT'S LOST ITS MIND. I'M SORRY. I CAN'T NO, SO THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. AND THAT ANYBODY HAS ANY POSITION THAT'S JUST THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT, UH, IN WHICH I KNOW THIS IS ONE THING THAT'S SAID AND I'LL JUST, I'M GONNA DO LIKE THE JUDGE, I'M GONNA POP OFF AND SAY SOMETHING. BUT SOME Y'ALL SEE POP OFF . YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. I DO THE SAME THING AND I'M FISHING TO DO IT, JUDGE. BUT APPARENTLY OUR, MY CHIEF DEPUTY HERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED ALL THAT PAY UP BECAUSE HE TOOK ON TWO DIFFERENT JOBS AND THAT AND UH, I THINK SOME OF OUR PEOPLE HAVE COMPAR, OUR CONSTABLE TO MY CHIEF DEPUTY AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN CLOSE, UH, TO WHAT HE GETS PAID. UH, BECAUSE HE DEALS WITH 247 PEOPLE IN JAIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, UH, WE GOTTA COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, NOT APPLES TO NOTHING AGAINST THEM. THEY DO THEIR JOB AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY DO, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN PREPARE MY CHIEF TO THEM SAYING IT'S THE SAME THING. RIGHT. SO I'LL FORWARD ON IT. YOU'RE PLAIN SPOKEN. YES MA'AM. , I'M PRETTY CLOSE FOR THAT TERM. YOU MAYBE THAT'S WHY I GET ALONG WITH EVERYBODY SO WELL. LIKE IS AND I EXPECT PEOPLE TO DO, DO THE SAME. YEAH. SO I GUESS WE'LL GET IN THE FIVE 60 BUDGET, UH, WHICH IS OUR DETENTION CENTER. AND THE FIRST THING, LET ME, I HANDED Y'ALL ALL THIS. IT'LL BE THE BROWN, IT'LL BE THE BROWN FIRST BROWN TAB RIGHT THERE. YOU ON 5 61. OH, I'M SORRY. 5 61. WE JUST GOT THROUGH. WE'RE ALL ON THAT PAGE, BUT JUST KIND OF, KIND OF CHANGE SOME, I JUST GOT THIS IN THE MAIL. UH, IF YOU NOTICE DOWN THERE ON OUR MEDICAL CONTRACT, THIS IS WHO WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH, UH, SOUTHERN HEALTHCARE. UH, THEIR STUFF KIND OF WENT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE WE CHANGED THEIR CONTRACT 15. BUT IT WENT UNDERNEATH THE CPI, WHICH IT'S UNDERNEATH THE CONTRACT. IT'S, IT'S MOVING UP TO 7 27. AND I'VE GOT, SO IT'S ABOUT $20,000 MORE THAN WHAT I HAD IN THERE. 'CAUSE I HAD THE, IF Y'ALL NOTICE IN THE BACK, I HAD THE OLD CONTRACT. I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA GO UP, BUT THEY DID. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE THAT NUMBER TO 7 27 2 54 7 2. SO THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT. NOW YOU Y'ALL GOT THAT OVER THERE? YES, I GAVE, I GAVE THEM A COPY OF YES SIR. HE GOT ME A COPY. OKAY, SO LET'S, AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH THEM. I MEAN WE'RE, PARTICULARLY THAT I'M, EVER SINCE WE, LUCKILY WE'VE GOT, UH, OUR PSYCHOLOGY, EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH THEM IS WORKING 10 TIMES EASIER, LOT SMOOTHER. I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE TOUCHING A LOT MORE INMATES IN MEDICAL PRICES BACK THERE AND THEY'RE REALLY RELAYING SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO US. AND WE'RE GETTING SOME PEOPLE OUTTA THE JAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL TELL YOU OF COURSE, WHEN WE HAD ONE INCIDENT, UH, THEY NOTIFIED US AND GAVE US SOME REALLY GOOD HEADS UP. WE GOT IN PR AND GOT OUT AND IT'S SAD TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY PASSED AWAY, BUT THEY PASSED AWAY ABOUT THREE DAYS LATER AFTER BEING OUT OF JAIL. YOU THIS ABOUT THIS, UH, PURPOSE PROJECT. UH, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL LET RODNEY TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I THAT'S THAT'S HIS, THAT'S HIS PROJECT. OKAY. IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET ITEM. NO, WE'RE NOT BUDGETING. THAT'S NOT IN OUR BUDGET. THAT'S NOT GONNA BE IN OUR BUDGET AT ALL. OKAY. SHE SAID SHE HAS TALKED TO, UH, I GUESS PAM ABOUT WORKING SOME BUDGET OUT WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO US. A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM THEY BRING TO THE WOMEN IN THE JAIL. WHAT IT IS, IS TO TEACH THE WING OF SELF RESPECT, RIGHT. THAT, UH, THEY CAN GET OUT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THEY CAN BE PROVIDER FOR THEIR FAMILY. UH, KIND OF TEACH THEM A LITTLE BIT OF A, A TRADE, JUST KIND OF MOTIVATE THEM TO GET OUT AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT. THEY SET 'EM UP FOR THE PROGRAMS OUTSIDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, UH, HITTING HARD. SO WHEREVER THEY, WHEREVER THEIR NEEDS IS, IS WHERE THEY TRY TO SEND THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE, UH, CHILDREN, SOME PLACES WON'T TAKE CHILDREN. SO THEY HAVE LOTS OF FOLKS OUT THERE THAT ARE HELPING, UH, THAT WE CAN SEND THESE PEOPLE TO, TO GET THEM ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IT'S A, THE PROGRAM IS DOING GREAT IN JAIL. UH, ALL THE WOMEN ARE SIGNING UP FOR IT. UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS THEY HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF COUNTY. THEY CAN'T HAVE A VIOLENT CRIME. WE HAVE A CRITERIA THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON TO SEE WHO'S IN THE CLASS. UH, THERE'S A LIST NOW OF PEOPLE WANTING COME TO IT. UH, LIKE I SAID, EVERYBODY THAT GOES THROUGH IT, OR IF THEY HAVE TO CALL, CANCEL IT FOR WHATEVER REASON ONE DAY AND THE GIRL'S BACK THERE AND LET US KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT HEY, WE WENT TO CLASS TODAY. UH, SO IT, IT'S DOING REAL WELL. UH, WE DIDN'T BUDGET ANYTHING BECAUSE BASICALLY IT WAS A VOLUNTEER TYPE PROGRAM. A SEVEN DAY A WEEK DEAL OR NO, NO, NO. THEY COME IN THOUGH, UH, ONCE A WEEK FOR LIKE TWO HOURS, MAYBE THREE. THE ONLY REASON THAT IS BECAUSE ALMOST GOT THE SCHEDULE OF WHAT THE JAIL ACTIVITIES ARE, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME THAT WE COULD ALL COME IN. THEY WANT TO COME IN THREE DAYS A WEEK. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT THE PROGRAM ITSELF IS HELPING [01:30:01] THE WOMEN THAT ARE INCARCERATED MOVE FORWARD, GET OUTTA WHATEVER OR THE RIGHT DIRECTION. ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY JUDGE JUDY HAS TALKED TO THE GIRL THAT TOLD HER THAT. AND UH, WE MAY BE A REFERENCE POINT TO SENDING PEOPLE INTO HIS COURT THROUGH HIS PROGRAMS TO GET THAT GOING. SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING THEY CAME TO US. I MEAN, UH, I LIKE WHEN THEY PRESENT TO US AND I SAID, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT TO MAKE IT WORK. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE ONLY HAVE TWO HOURS SO WE CAN GET IN. OKAY. I ON MY ONLY CONCERN, BUT IT IS JUDGE WOOD. JUDGE. IT'S A GOOD CHOICE. JUDGE. I, YEAH, I ATTENDED THAT MEETING THAT I MET THE LADY THAT DID THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, JUDGE CHITTY AND I THINK JUDGE BLAIR WANTING TO USE HER IN THE COURTS. YES. UM, I THINK SHE HAS SOME PRIOR EXPERIENCE OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN HER LIFE BEFORE THEN SHE DECIDED SHE WANTED TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE AND SO SHE WENT AND SHE GOT HER DEGREE AND HER EDUCATION AND SHE SEEMED VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. OH. VERY, VERY, VERY FAST. THE ONLY CONCERN WE I'VE HAD AT FIRST IS BECAUSE THEY COME IN THERE WANTING ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS AND WE, WE MADE THE ARRANGEMENT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT COME UP, WE GONNA GET PAID FOR THIS. YEAH. THEY, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT VOLUNTEER, LET'S VOLUNTEER FOR A WHILE AND THEN MAYBE WE LOOK BUT SIX MONTHS LATER WE WON'T BE PAID. I'M LOOKING THROUGH THIS AND I'LL MAKE THE COURT A COPY OF THAT IT FRIDAY THING. BUT IF IT WORKS AND, AND IF IT'S, IF THEY'RE GOING TO UP IT TO THREE DAYS A WEEK, WHICH MAY BE A GOOD THING, THEY WON'T DO THAT. WE CAN'T DO THAT. RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE THE PEOPLE, WE HAVE THE PEOPLE AROUND TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THEY WANTED TO START OUT THREE DAYS A WEEK. WE SAID WE CAN'T DO IT. WE CAN ALLOW YOU TWO HOURS ONE DAY A WEEK. OKAY. WE GET IT OFF THE GROUND AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. AND WE TOLD THEM EVENTUALLY MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD MORE DAYS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST CAN'T DO IT. WE'RE ASKING A LOT MORE OF OUR PEOPLE NOW JUST TO DO THIS AND IT, AND I'VE GOT A SCHEDULE IN THE JAIL. WHAT EVERY TIME, WHAT EVERYTHING GOES TO THE JAIL AS FAR AS WHAT TIME WE BE, WHAT TIME WE DO MEDICAL, WHAT TIME WE DO ALL THIS STUFF. I'LL SHOOT IT TO YOU. CAN YOU SEND IT TO EVERYBODY? I MEAN IT'S, IT'S VERY, UH, THEY WASN'T REALLY EXCITED, SHOCKING TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY DID THIS AT THE TIME. AT THE TIME THEY WORKING SO FAR. WELL BASKET 33,000. UH, BUT UH, I'M REALLY NOT SURE WHAT ALL THEY INCLUDED. BUT IF THEY CAN'T DO IT FOR TWO HOURS A WEEK, UNLESS THEY'RE MORE TO IT THAN SALES HERE. I MEAN THAT'S A LOT OF, LOT ALL THAT. SO, BUT IF IT WORKS AND THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO SEE DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH. WE NEED TO SEE IF WE, IT KEEPS THESE PEOPLE OUTTA JAIL. WE NEED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PROGRAM IS DOING TO MAKE IT PROVE ITSELF A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE INVEST IN IT. RIGHT. THAT'S MY OPINION. AND WE JUST HAVE A MEETING PROUD MYSELF AND UH, CAR STONE WITH THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD 'EM. I ONLY SEE PEOPLE ONCE THEY GET OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND SEE THAT IT ACTUALLY IS WORKING. RIGHT. KNOW, INSTEAD OF SEEING THEM COMING RIGHT BACK TO JAIL AND START SEEING THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT, SIX MONTHS MAYBE HAS IT BEEN THAT LONG? THEY BEEN DOING IT MAYBE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS. FOUR MONTHS. DOES IT INCLUDE INTERVIEWING SKILLS AND SKILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN THEY GET OUT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD UP MORE AND MORE AND MORE TO THE CHARTER ROOM IS TRYING TO HELP THEM DO THOSE PRESENTATIONS THERE ON SO THEY HAVE RESUME SKILLS AND ALL THAT. BUT SHE DOES THAT. IT'S NOT A VOLUNTEER THING THERE. I, I'LL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS, I JUST WANTED TO, SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A BUDGET DO THAT. I Y'ALL, AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON FROM NOW. I THINK IT'S, I THINK THEY JUST GOTTA PROVE THEIRSELVES DOWN THE ROAD. LET'S SEE WHERE IT'S HEADED. YEAH. BUT IT, BUT THEY'RE REALLY PASSIONATE PEOPLE. OH YEAH. IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM. HOW LONG, HOW LONG YOU GO AFTERWARDS TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, WELL, I THINK THEY'RE HERE. I MEAN THING IS WE JUST NEED TO KEEP A LIST OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND IF THESE PEOPLE CONTINUE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO JAIL, LET'S FIGURE OUT OUR PERCENTAGE OF IS WHAT'S RETURNING BACK AND WHAT'S NOT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GETTING 50 50, I THINK WE'RE DOING BETTER THAN BECAUSE THAT'S BETTER THAN, I MEAN WE EVER DID ANYTHING. I GUARANTEE YOU, I BET YOU, I BET IT'S A GOOD 75. YOU DON'T OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE ITSELF. I'M IMPACT THE SAVE. OH IT SAVED YOU MONEY. I GUARANTEE IT. SAVING YOU MONEY PLUS LIABILITY. [01:35:01] THE LADY EVEN MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS POSSIBILITY THERE'S SOME GRANTS OUT THERE TO HELP THEM GET THE PROGRAM. DID HELP THEM WITH THE GRANT PROCESS THAT GIVE 'EM ALL THE INFORMATION WE COULD, BUT WE JUST WASN'T BUDGET. RIGHT. AND I'M ALL FAR, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING, YOU'RE PUTTING SOMETHING THEY'RE ASKING FOR. THEY'RE ASKING, I THINK THEY'RE ASKING ON THEIR OWN, BUT I'M, THEY WANTED IT. I THINK SHERIFF'S BUDGET, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE PLACE. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. BUT I REASON TO ASK BECAUSE DID SOUND LIKE A GREAT PROBLEM. NOW I'LL MAKE YOU ALL A COPY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE MEDICAL CONTRACT, UH, MILL MILES AND LODGING. TRYING TO MOVE THAT BACK UP TO 25 WHERE IT USED TO BE. WE CUT, CUT THAT OUT THERE AND WE'RE ALWAYS HURTING OURSELVES, UH, ON THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO MOVE THAT BACK BECAUSE WE CUT IT BACK ONE YEAR WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE SLOW. THE LAWN MAINTENANCE, UH, YOU LOOK IN THE VERY BACK, WE'VE GOTTA START REPLACING SOME STUFF. UH, THE 10,500 THAT ALSO INCLUDES A ONE NEW MOWER AND THEN CHAIN HAUL WEED YEAR AND BLOWERS. I PUT ALL THAT IN THE BACK THERE TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE STUFF. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET SOME OF IT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER. I'M NOT SURE. UH, BUT WE'VE GOTTA REPLACE THE LAWN. WE DID TWO LAST YEAR OUT, UH, SOME OF THE MAIN SURPLUS WE HAD IN SALARIES AND DID THAT. BUT, UH, WE'VE GOT, I MEAN I'M STILL, I'VE STILL GOT 2000, I THINK I'VE GOT TWO MORE, 2001 GRASSHOPPERS. AND WE GIVE A LITTLE MORE. LET ASK YOU THIS, IF YOU, UH, SINCE YOU'VE GOT SOME UNFILLED POSITIONS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, JUDGE I'D, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT SOME BECAUSE IN THE MAINTENANCE, UH, AS FAR AS YEAH, IN THE MAINTENANCE, WE'VE GOT SOME STUFF IN THE KITCHEN THAT'S GOTTA COME UP. WE'VE GOTTA REPLACE, I MEAN WE ARE USING IT THREE TIMES A DAY AND WE'VE GOT SOME SURPLUS IN THE JAIL THAT'S LOOKING THAT'S GOOD WITH Y'ALL TAKING SOME OF THAT SALARY MONEY. I MEAN WE GOT A MIXER THAT'S GONNA COST US 16,000. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE BIG MIXER WAS EXPENSIVE. OH YEAH, THEY, YEAH. YEAH. BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT COME FROM THE OLD JAIL WHEN WE MOVED OVER HERE. YEAH. WE'VE GOT OUR DOLLARS. WE PUT, REPLACED THE GEARS IN IT THREE TIMES AND NOW IT'S JUST, IT'S WORE OUT. AND THAT'S PRETTY CURIOUS BECAUSE I THOUGHT ALL Y'ALL SERVED WAS BOLOGNA AND BREAD. WELL, I SKIPPED BOLOGNA IN THIS SALT BOLOGNA. I GUESS SO. SO WE'VE GOT THAT. THE STOVE TOP OVEN IS THIS, IT'S, IT'S BAD. IT'S FALLING APART. THE OVEN DON'T EVEN WORK. SO THAT'S NOT CHEAP THERE. NO, IT'S NOT CHEAP. AND THEN, UH, A DOUBLE OVEN BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, WE FIX CORN BREAD WITH ALMOST EVERY MEAL. WE FIX BISCUITS EVERY MONTH. SO IT'S USED TWICE A DAY. PRETTY REGULAR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S TIME OF THE STUFF THAT I'D LIKE TO, MAYBE WITH THE SURPLUS I FIGURED OUT IN THE SURPLUS. I CAN'T, I'D HAVE TO GET WITH YOU. 'CAUSE I ALWAYS GIVE KW AT THE END, UH, WHAT MONEY WE MOVED BEFORE AND WHERE WE'RE AT. AND I WANT SAY IN THE JAIL, BECAUSE I DID IT BEFORE I STARTED, I SHOULD HAVE PRINTED IT OFF. I'M GONNA SAY MAYBE WE'RE ABOUT 80,000 IN THERE, MAYBE TO THE GOOD 60 TO 80. AND WE COULD TAKE THAT AND HELP PAY THIS AND CUT THIS DOWN THIS YEAR. BUT I, I THINK THAT WOULD GO AHEAD AND SPEND THE MONEY AND GET THE EQUIPMENT IN. UH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING ON THE UH, LAWN MOWERS OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET? I CAN, I CAN LOOK AND SEE. LET ME, UH, THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET. I KNOW ONE THING THAT I HADN'T PUT IN HERE AND THIS IS TACTICAL VEST. OUR TACTICAL VEST IS OUT OF DATE AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE SOME OF THAT MONEY OVER THERE. WE GOTTA DO THAT. AND THAT'S ABOUT TO COME FIRST. AND THAT'S RIGHT AT 40,000 I THINK OFF THE TOP IS THE LAST ROUGH FIGURE I GOT. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY I'VE GOT TO GET DONE. WELL I WOULD LOOK AT THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS TO BE THE FIRST THING. BUT IF YOU DO APPEAR THAT YOU'VE GOT MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO HELP BUY THE, THE TWO BOBCAT, NOT BOBCAT, BUT HOPPER HOP, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. WE CAN, THAT CAN BE A CONVERSATION. OKAY. I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. IF THERE'S HELP CUT SOME OF THIS BACK. BUT DO, I'M, I'M, THAT'S WHY I TOLD YOU BEFORE, I THINK MAYBE IF I LOOKED AT THIS AND I JUST DID THE NUMBERS. YEAH. IF I CAN FIT SOME OF THIS KITCHEN STUFF IN, LET'S GET IT DONE AND I'LL WORK AND GET OUTTA THE WAY AND THEN WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I'M JUST GONNA BREAK WIND UP ON AND WHICH, UH, ALSO THE CONTRACT ONLY, UH, IF YOU NOTICE IT WAS, UH, THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT CONTRACT, IT WENT UP UH, TWO BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE BOOK STUFF. IT, IT WENT UP PRETTY GOOD. AND WHENEVER WE GET NEW EQUIPMENT, WON'T THAT GO DOWN SOMEWHAT [01:40:01] BECAUSE IT DOES, WHEN DO THE AVERAGE ON IT? SO WE, WE MIGHT SEE SOME IN THAT. UH, I THINK I'VE GOT THE WHOLE BREAK WHEN I GET TO, WE'LL GET THE BREAKDOWN OVER THERE ON THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ON 50. 'CAUSE I'VE GOT THAT BROKE DOWN. GOOD FOR YOU. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE LAWN MAINTENANCE STUFF SO WE'LL, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE EMPLOYEE SCREENING. I HAD TO MOVE IT SINCE WE'VE DONE WITH SO MUCH EMPLOYEES, UH, YOU KNOW, RUNNING 'EM THROUGH THE CYCLE. THAT'S, I'VE HAD TO ADD MONEY TO THAT. WHAT'S IT COST YOU PER PERSON WHEN YOU DO THAT ALL THROUGH THE SCREEN? YOU ASK, YOU SEND ME THE BILL ALL THE TIME. UM, ROUGHLY FOR DRUG TESTING IS 40, 35 TO $40 FOR DRUG TEST PER APPLICANT. UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING FITNESS FOR DUTY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL DO FOR FITNESS FOR DUTY. WE'VE GOT YOU DO IT SEPARATELY. YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT SEPARATELY. YEAH. UM, BUT THEY'RE STILL GETTING FIELDS DOOR, WHICH THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL PAID PAY. WE DON'T DO ANY PHYSICALS CURRENTLY, BUT, AND DO THAT, I WANT SAY YEAH, CARE UNITED DOES THAT. I WANT SAY IT IS IN THE BALLPARK AROUND 175 AND THAT DON'T INCLUDE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL. AND THEN WE GOT, DO WE CONTRACT OUT PSYCHOLOGICAL FOR ANYBODY, LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO'S GOT A LICENSE DO THAT AND AND YOU DO THAT THROUGH A PRIVATE YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE GOT THAT LADY HERE THAT, WHAT'S HER NAME? I CAN'T JOAN RIGHT. OKAY. JOAN, REDDIT, JOAN RED, SHE DOES ALL THAT FOR, SHE IT'S 160. HOLD ON I CAN TELL YOU 1 33. THERE YOU GO. SO ROUGHLY THAT'S 50, ABOUT 310 BUCKS DEAL. $310 A HEAD. THAT'S ONCE THEY, OR BEFORE THEY PASSED THE TEST? NO, I'VE ALREADY PASSED IT. THEY'VE ALREADY PASSED THE TEST. THIS IS AFTER. SO YEAH, THEY DRUG TEST, THEY PASS THE TEST. IF THEY PASS THE TEST, THEN WE GO TO THE BOARD, THEN THEY DO THE BOARD. IF THEY PASS THE BOARD AND THEN COME TO ME AND THEY CAN PASS ME, THEN WE DO THE PSYCHOLOGICAL, PHYSICAL AND ALL THAT. SO THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THREE STAGES BEFORE THEY EVER GET TO HERE. EXACTLY. OKAY. SO WE WANT, THEY'RE GONNA BE HIRED WHEN WE DO THAT, BUT THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY TIME THAT THEY'RE NOT HIRED IF THEY DON'T PASS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL. OKAY. UM, KAREN SAYS THAT THE DRUG TEST AND THE FITNESS FOR DUTY TEST IS $90. THEY CARRY YOU OUT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN I THOUGHT TO. SO, UH, JUST SO YOU WROTE AND GUYS KNOW THAT, BUT THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A ROUGH IDEA OF EVERYTHING IN THE BACK, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CAR STUFF WHERE THIS KNEE AND BUDGET LIKE YOU, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A CARPET OR A TILE. YES. THE TILE. YES. LAND FOR THE, YEAH. YES. THAT'S, WE'VE GOT THE, OUR TILE IS COMING UP. WE'VE BEEN IN THERE SINCE WHAT OH FOUR IN THAT BUILDING WHERE WE'VE REPLACED THE PART IN THE BOOKING. THAT WAS THE MOST ONE. BUT IT'S COMING UP. IT'S, IT'S COMING LOOSE. SO WE'RE GONNA START TWO STAGES DOING THAT. HOPEFULLY NONE OF IT IS ASBESTOS. NO SIR. IT'S NOT. THANK GOODNESS WE'VE DONE FIRST LITTLE BIT AND IT'S NOT, UH, THIS, THE PART THAT THAT'S BUDGETED IN THIS IS ALL THE TILE, WHICH WE CALL SEA HALL. YOU KNOW, THE MAIN HALLWAY WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THERE, ALL THE, ALL THE MAIN HALLWAYS WILL BE DONE INCLUDING THE OLD LIBRARY AND THE MEDICAL STUFF. THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE LEFT AFTER THAT IS THE POD A, POD B, POD C POD. WOULD THIS BE AN ADDITION TO YOUR EXISTENCE, EXISTING MAINTENANCE BUDGET? UH, OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THESE THINGS? YOU ALREADY HAVE A MAINTENANCE BUDGET I BELIEVE. YES. SO WITH THIS, WELL THE, WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THE CAMERA DEAL BECAUSE WE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE WORKING ON THE SKULL PART NOW BECAUSE THIS CAMERA STUFF IS REALLY TURNING INTO SOMETHING OUT THERE. UH, WITH UH, PL GR NAIL, UH, THEY'VE SENT US A A BID AND ONCE WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE CAN CONNECT INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE SYSTEM. IF I'M SITTING IN MASTER CONTROL AND RODNEY WALKS THE DOOR AND PUSHES THE BUTTON, IT NOTIFIES YOU ON THE SYSTEM, THEN IT BRINGS UP THE CAMERA TO WHERE THAT BUTTON IS BEING PUSHED, WHERE YOU CAN TELL WHO IT IS. UH, SO WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT WE AIN'T GONNA HAVE THIS SIMPLEX FORNELL DO THAT SIMPLEX SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 270 SOMETHING BRANCH. AND WE HAVE FOUND OUT WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING CHEAPER, UH, TO DO THAT. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THE SCOPE OF WORK TO DO THAT AND PUT THAT IN THERE. I'VE SH I'VE SHOWN SOME UH, SOFTWARE UPDATED, THERE'S SOME SOFTWARE OUT THERE THAT IS JUST OUT THE WORLD IS FAIRLY REASONABLE. WE CAN USE SOME EXISTING CAMERA WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THAT ARE IP OR DIGITAL THAT WE CAN USE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY ALL NEW CAMERAS. BUT IT DOES A LOT OF SECURITY ISSUES TOO. WE CAN MARK ERRORS AT CERTAIN TIMES AND IT'LL TELL US IF SOMEBODY BROKE THAT IT COULD BRING [01:45:01] IT UP AND DISPATCH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS UP THERE. SO IT'S GOT, AND WE MADE SURE WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY TERMS IN THE CONTRACT WITH SIMPLEX. YES, WE ARE NOT. NOT, WE ARE NOT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET SCOPE WORK AND JUST, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO JUST GO OUT BID FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT $108,000 IN MINUTES TO DO THAT ONE. SO I DON'T, WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT WHENEVER IT WAS WE WERE OUT THERE. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO. THEY JUST TOLD ME TO SHOW WHEN I WENT . BUT UH, THEY HAD THE DEMO OF IT AND WHAT WE WERE SHOWING HIGH SCHOOL AND LL THAT ALREADY HAS IT AND SEVERAL OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS I THINK. RIGHT? PRINCE VALLEY. YEAH. UM, AND THE CO-OP AND I GUESS THE COLLEGE TOO. ANYWAY, WHAT WAS FUNNY, THEY HAD, IT WAS LIVE. MM-HMM AND IT WAS AT THE, UH, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND I GOT LOOKING THAT'S, MY GRANDSONS ARE WORKING THERE ON UH, WORKING IN THE IT DEPARTMENT OVER THERE. THERE THEY WERE THERE WORKING AROUND . I MEAN I HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH 'EM ABOUT, I GOT MY EYE ON YOU ALL THE TIME, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS VERY CLEAR. I MEAN IT FANTASTIC. WATCH THIS DISPATCH. NO, WE'RE WATCHING IN MY OFFICE. IN YOUR OFFICE? YEAH, BUT IT CAN BE ANYWHERE. OKAY. IT DISPATCH CENTER. YEAH. THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT FOR SECURITY AT THE COURTHOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. YEAH. IT DOES SOME AMAZING STUFF. SOME OF THE STUFF, IF ANYBODY MOVES IN THAT AREA, IT, IT SIGNALS THAT THERE'S ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA. YOU, YOU CAN HAVE LIKE 12 VIEWS, DIFFERENT CAMERAS ON THE SCREEN AND YOU PUT THIS ALERT ON ONE AREA OF THAT. SOON AS SOMEBODY WALKS IN IT CONSUMES A WHOLE TV. SO IT BRINGS YOUR ATTENTION TO IT. SOMETHING'S GOING ON THERE. EMAIL IT, DO ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO DO. BUT ONE THING ABOUT IT, EVERYTHING HAS ITS OWN SERVER. EVERYTHING RUNS ALONG. IT'S ONLY ONE SYSTEM. I CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S PUT ON THAT SYSTEM, WHICH IS . THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE HEADED DOWN THE ROAD. AND THEN DEPUTIES CAN PULL UP THERE, WE'VE GOT ISSUE. YOU CAN PUT THE DIAGRAM IN THE BUILDING AND SHOW 'EM WHERE THE CAMERA IS AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT WHEN THEY PULL UP. SO IF WE HAVE AN IN THE COURTHOUSE, IT PULL STRAIGHT UP AND DO THAT. SO WHERE YOU ALMOST SEE THE COLOR OF THE EYES AND YOU CAN DO IT ON THE PHONE, YOU CAN DO IT BROTHER. YES. IT, IT, IT THIS ROOM WAY OUT THERE TOO. BUT THE BIG THING IS WE GOTTA WORK THROUGH THIS OTHER, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, NOTHING AGAINST PLEX. THEY'VE DONE GOOD WITH ALL OUR DOORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I JUST THINK THEY, THEY GOT US BY THE HORN AT THIS POINT. I'M NOT REAL HAPPY. I BUILD THIS AND GO OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF IT AND LIKE I SAY, IT LOOKS LIKE HE MIGHT SAVE US ABOUT 20, 30. IF I CAN DO THAT, I'M HAPPY. YEAH. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. HAVE YOU SEE THE GROCERY BILL, EVERYTHING IN HERE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT? ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTION ON ANYTHING? YEAH. AND ALSO THE KEY WATCH SYSTEM IS IN THERE. WHAT ABOUT THIS UH, GENERATOR AT THE EL WATER? YEAH, THAT'S IN THERE. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD YOU TOLD, I'M GLAD YOU ANYTHING GOES ON EL. YEAH. YES. THIS IS THE, REMEMBER WHEN WE PUT THE SYSTEM IN? ONLY THING WE DIDN'T WE'RE BORROWING THEIR GENERATOR. YEAH. UH, WE PUT THIS IN THERE BECAUSE AT ANY POINT I'M JUST, I DON'T WANT THEM TO COME GRAB THE GENERATOR LEAK AND THEN WE HAVE NOTHING THERE. UH, AND THIS IS TALKING WITH THE BUILDING, BOBBING THEM. THEY CAN HELP US WITH THE UH, DOING THE CONCRETE. SO I MEAN THE BIG THING WE'RE ONLY OUT IS THE GENERATOR AND THE PROPANE AND I CAN HELP BOBBY WITH TRUSTEES OR WHATEVER NOT CREW OVER, WE SET THE FORM AND DO ALL THAT. ALL THE LABOR. YEAH, WE CAN DO ALL THE LABOR AND DO THAT. SO AT 15, 6 25 WE CAN GET A GENERATOR OVER THAT. IT'S OURS. IT'S GUARANTEED IT'S GOING KEEP OUR RADIO AND THAT UP. WELL THAT WHAT WE, WE JUST, I INSTALLED THIS STUFF. WHY AREN'T WE ALREADY HAVING THE REPLACEMENT? YEAH. NOW REMEMBER THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. WE DID NOT HAVE A GENERATOR IN THERE. THEY PUT A BILL AND EVERYTHING BUT WE USED THEIR GENERATOR. THAT WAS PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK. AND THEN THE OTHER THING, MASON, YOU NEED CHECK WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT IS UH, I CALLED, I CALLED UM, KAREN, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THE RADIO STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FREE WITH ALL THE MAINTENANCE ON THE RADIO STUFF UNTIL IT STARTS THIS NEXT NEW BUDGET YEAR. RIGHT. AND I SENT THAT TO HER ON EVERY YEAR THAT BECAUSE NOBODY HAD THAT BUDGET. I THOUGHT GEORGE HAD HIS BUDGET BUT HE DIDN'T RELEASE IT. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER 79,000 I THINK THIS NEXT YEAR. AND THEN IT GOES TO ONE 20 WHATEVER NEXT YEAR. YEAH, IT GOES UP EVERY YEAR. BUT WE'RE IT, IT'S, BUT I HAD TO MAKE, I THOUGHT MAYBE HE HAD THAT BUT HE DID NOT. SO I DON'T THINK HE PRESENTED THAT DID BUT SENT IT TO KAREN. I THINK SHE SENT IT TO YOU. KAREN MENTIONED IT TO ME THE DAY. CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? IS THAT, [01:50:01] IS THAT ANOTHER OR IS THAT ONE? NO, IT'S ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. WITH THAT I'M DON'T, I'M WITH YOU. I DON'T WANT PROP PROPANE SOMETHING. WE DOING GOOD. QUIT AIN'T GET NOTHING OUTTA THIS MUCH. WELL YOU, I AIN'T EVEN CUT YET. I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I'M OFF THIS BEACH ON PROPERTY. I DUNNO IF THAT'S TRUE. CAN GET GOING. WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND MESS. I'M MAKE YOU REALLY SCREWED IT UP LAST DAY. WELL THANK YOU FOR NOTICING. OH THAT WAS A PROBLEM. SURE. START AGAIN. WELL THIS WAS GENERATOR AND THEN THEN THE DOUBLE OVEN. I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS, MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS THE DOUBLE OVEN. JUST PUT THE MIXER IN THERE. JUST MIX 'EM ALL TOGETHER AND THEN YOU GOT, HEY. YEAH AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE TO STOVE TOP, WHICH IS 6 7600. THE BOILER. WE PUT IT IN THERE FOR 43 0 0 37. SO WE GOT ANOTHER BOILER. IT'S ABOUT TO GO OUT AND WE JUST FIXED ONE FOR THAT AMOUNT. I NEVER REALIZED BOWLERS WAS AS HIGH AS WHAT THEY'RE SO DIDN'T KNOW WHAT CHEWER. CHEWER WAS. A CHEW A SEWER CHEWER WAS AS HIGH AS IT WAS EITHER. YEAH, SEWER CHEWER. YEAH THAT DON'T EVEN SOUND RIGHT. YEAH'S GROSS. AND THEN THE UH, THE MIXER WAS 16 400 MAKE SURE. AND THEN THE OTHER BIG THING WHICH IS WAS THE KEY GUARD SYSTEM, WHICH IS ABOUT 52. UH, AND THAT IS THE KEY GUARD SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH, WE HAVE TO SHUT THE JAIL DOWN WHEN THEY CAN'T FIND THE KEY. SO WHAT THIS KEY GUARD SYSTEM DOES, WHICH IS BE PATROL AND EVERYTHING, PUT EVERY CAR IN THERE AND YOU GIVE ACCESS TO WHO CAN GET IT AND THEN WE'VE GOT A BOX ON THE OUTSIDE THAT SITS THERE IN THAT KEY GETS CLOSE THAT BOX WHERE YOU CAN GET TO THE EXIT DOOR, IT GOES OFF. BUT THEN IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT TURN THAT KEY IN AT DEALERSHIP, WE SIGN IT OUT, HE SENDS AN EMAIL TO ALL THE SUPERVISOR SAYING THIS PERSON'S GOT THE KEY. SO IT'S A GOOD ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR KEY. MM-HMM. UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PUT IN THERE AND THEN PROBABLY HAD THAT KEY, IT'D BE NINE. SO THIS WAY IT TELLS YOU ANY KEYS MISSING AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WHO HAD IT LASTED. AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE, AND THAT THAT'S ALL THE LAST, AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE 5 61, THE ITEMIZED BUDGET, ONCE AGAIN THAT'S JUST THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY AND EVERYTHING FOR EACH LINE ITEM A BREAKDOWN. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE ITEMIZED. THIS IS THE ONE ON THE 45 0 2, 5 61. KINDA LIKE WE DID THE FORENSIC LAB. A GOOD BREAKDOWN. EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND AS YOU SEE THAT, THAT WENT UP FROM LAST YEAR. I'LL KIND OF GO OVER EXACTLY WHAT WENT UP AS FAR AS THE LEXINEXIS, UH, THAT'S THE SOFTWARE WE USE FOR CRIME ANALYSIS. IT'S, IT IS GOT A REOCCURRING COST OF 5,000 A YEAR. UH, THE EMPLOYEE CRITICAL COST WAS THE SAME. THE COMMAND TRAILER IS THE SAME. LEAVES ON LINES THE SAME. I DID TAKE THE FINGERPRINT SYSTEM IS THE SAME. UH, THE X-RAYS THE NEW SOFTWARE AS FAR FAR AS GUARDIAN, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA COST US. USED TO BE 2000 FOR THE SOFTWARE WE'RE USING NOW. IT'S GONE TO 12 7 50. UH, DID WE STILL USE GUARDIAN? YES. THE ONE OUT OF LOCAL THIS GUARDIAN? NO, THIS IS A NEW ONE I THINK I THINK MIGHT BE OUT. OUT. UH, WHAT DO THEY DO? THIS IS, THIS IS THE NEW SOFTWARE. WE'RE FIXING THE, WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT OUT THE COMMISSARY, BUT IT'S A REOCCURRING [01:55:01] COST OF 12,000 IS RIGHT NOW, Y'ALL REMEMBER HOW JEFF STANDARD, YOU GO OUT THERE AND WE GOTTA KEEP UP WITH EVERY CELL, RIGHT. AND WE USE THAT PIPE THING. WELL THE PROBLEM, IT'S THAT PIPE THING DOES NOT COMMUNICATE WITH OUR UH, SOFTWARE. SO THEN IF WE MOVE SOMEBODY FROM HERE TO REC, THEN WE HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND PUT ALL THE STUFF IN. GUARDIAN HAS COME OUT WITH A NEW SOFTWARE AND IT'S IN SEVERAL JAILS. WE'VE DONE WENT AND SEEN IT AND IT'S A HANDHELD DEVICE NOW AND IT TAKES YOUR WRISTBAND WRISTBAND AND IT'S CHIPPED AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL HAVE THE SAME LIKE THE OTHER ONES YOU'VE SEEN IN THE JAIL. BUT WHAT IT DOES IS I CAN COUNT FOR YOUR WRISTBAND AND ALSO THIS WILL BE FOR MEDICATION. BECAUSE MEDICATION I'M BIG ON THIS MEDICATION WITH OUR NURSES IS WE JUST SIGNED A DEAL SAYING AND GOT IT. WELL I WANT 'EM TO COME UP THERE AND PUSH 'EM WITH THEIR WRISTS TO SAY YES THEY GOT IT. THEN IT GENERATES THAT FORTH. SAME THING WITH MOVING INMATES FROM ANY CELL OR DIRECT OR WHEN WE FEED 'EM, YOU PUT IT ALL DOWN AND IT COMMUNICATES WITH OUR SOUTHERN SOFTWARE AND GENERATES THAT FOR OUR PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND ENT TYPE THIS REPORT. SO IT'S 10 TIMES BETTER SYSTEM. IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY IS 10 TIMES BETTER AND WE'LL COUNT FOR OUR MEDICINE. OUR INMATES, INSTEAD OF JUST A LIST THAT SOMEBODY COULD CHANGE, THIS CANNOT BE CHANGED AT ALL. AND IT DOES EVERYTHING. AND THEN IF THEY WANT LOOK AT AN INMATE, IF YOU SAY WE'RE SO AND SO, I CAN PULL THAT NAME UP AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE HE'S AT. THE HOTEL DOOR, WHEN HE WALKED THROUGH A DOOR, HE AUTOMATICALLY TELLS HIM THAT THEY'RE, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A DEAL PUNCH THAT IN. BUT ALSO WE'LL HAVE THEM DEAL UH, THROUGHOUT THE JAIL. THEY'LL BE READ AND THEY GO BY AND SCAN THEM AND LOOK AT THE SALE AND THEN IT GIVES 'EM SO MANY MORE OPTIONS SAYING YES, HE'S ASLEEP THERE OR HE'S ALREADY BEEN IN, IT'S GOT PICTURES WHERE YOU CAN TAKE A PICTURE, YOU CAN DO VIDEO AS IT'S EXCEPT THERE IF THEY WANT ACTIVE BEFORE YOU CAN VIDEO AND THE SAME TIME YOU'RE DOING IT, THEN IT SENDS IT AND DOWNLOADS IT WITH THAT REPORT THAT THEY WE'RE GOOD. A REALLY GOOD SYSTEM. LIKE I SAID, IT'S ABOUT EIGHT. I'VE GOT IT DOWN TO 80,000 AND I'VE GOT THAT MONEY IN THE COMMISSARY AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SPEND THAT. AND THAT'S RETURN EVERY YEAR? YES. THE 12,000 IS FOR THE SOFTWARE AND KEEPING IT DONE. BUT YEAH. AND THE EIGHT HOUSE IS NOT COMING OUTTA THE GENERAL AND I FISHING. YES. AND IT, IT BENEFITED THEM BUT IT'S 10 TIMES BETTER. AND WITH THE YOUNGER GENERATION, I GOT BACK THERE THAT PARTICULAR DEATH WITH THIS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HAND RIGHT. STUFF. SO IT'S GONNA BE A WIN-WIN CAR ON THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY THAT WENT UP. UH, LET'S SEE. ANY OTHER BIG CHANGES? LEMME SEE THE INSPECTIONS ALL WENT UP. THE FIRE INSPECTIONS WENT UP A LITTLE BIT. UH, LET'S SEE. WELL THE OVER CONTRACT THAT WENT UP WITH WHAT WE GOT RIGHT NOW, NOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT AFTER WE ADD IN AND WE'LL TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE, BUT, AND THAT'S REALLY THE BIG CHANGE IN THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SUPPORTING BACK BEHIND THAT. SO WE MAY GET SOME CREDIT BACK. YES. AND THE REST OF IT'S THE HOLBERT CONTRACT. EVERYTHING BEHIND IT IS WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YOUR MINNESOTA? MINNESOTA? YEAH, IT'S IN HERE. IT'S NOT THE NO, THE INMATE PEOPLE I GUESS I CALL, I'M SORRY. NO, THE NEXT IS ALL THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 123 AND THEN WE, WE BUDGET OUR BUDGET HUNDRED 18 AND THAT'S COST FIVE OF THEM. PAID OUT THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET OUT OF THE, AND THAT'S OUR SUPERVISOR, OUR GUY AND ALL THAT PAID OUT THAT BUDGET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, BOBBY CREW AND YOUR GUYS WORKING TOGETHER. I THINK THEY WORKED THINK, I THINK IT WORKED WELL BECAUSE MY GUYS WOUND UP CALLING BOBBY AND VICE VERSA WHEN THEY NEED HELP. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT LIKE IT IS. THAT'S WORKING REALLY WELL. GOOD. THAT'S WAY BECAUSE I GUESS WE HAD THE ISSUE. NO, I AIN'T ANSWERING NOBODY. I DON'T NEED NO MORE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY WELL THE SAME THERE. AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND OF ALL THE BASICS, UH, SALARIES ON THE BACK WHERE WE ARE. LIKE I SAY, WE'RE 10 SHARP IN JAIL AND LET US JUST GOT A MESSAGE [02:00:01] WHILE AGO. WE'RE NOW 12 SHARP ON PATROL BECAUSE ONE JUST WENT TO ROCKWATER COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT YOU FIXING. YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET THROUGH THE BUDDY STUFF. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE LONG. I'M SORRY. WELL HALF THE BUDGET. SO YEAH, IT AIN'T, IT AIN'T MORE THAN THAT. SEEMS LIKE IT. THAT'S WHY I TRY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AND SHOW EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. UH, THAT'S PRETTY WELL SELF EXPLANATORY. IT'LL GO UP IF ANYTHING GOES UP. SO IT PAYS FOR ITSELF. SO THAT'S KIND OF A WASH. SAME THING WITH THE ITEMIZED, BUDGETARY ON THE THING IS UNIFORM. THE NEXT THING IS THE, UH, 9 1 1 COMMUNICATION, WHICH WOULD BE THE, THE FIRST GREEN. UH, SO IT'S PRETTY WELL SELF EXPLANATORY. THE ONLY THING WE'VE MOVED UP IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE OFFICE MAINTENANCE. AND THAT'S THE REASON BECAUSE ALL THE WARRANTS AND STUFF CALL. WE'VE GOT A VERY PRODUCED PRODUCT, A FEW MORE WARRANTS, SO WE'RE HAVING TO GET MORE FOLDER TO PUT THAT IN THERE. OKAY. NOW WE'RE FIXING SALARIES HERE. SO GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF SALARIES, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, AND THE REQUESTED BUDGET AS WE HAD LAST YEAR. YEAH, I JUST, I DIDN'T EVEN GET INTO NONE OF THAT. I LEFT THEM ALL. I NEVER TOUCHED SALARIES UNTIL I PRODUCE THIS BOOK AND GIVE IT TO Y'ALL. AND Y'ALL MAKE DECISION ON THAT. 'CAUSE I CAN PUT ALL I WANT, BUT IT DON'T DO NO GOOD UNTIL Y'ALL SIGNED. YEAH, I AGREE. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNEW THAT, THAT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT DAR DIDN'T ANTICIPATE SOME SAVINGS THERE. YEAH, MONEY KW PULLED EVERYTHING OUT WHEN ALL THAT STUFF STOPPED. SO WE REMOVED ALL THAT EXTRA NUMBERS WE HAD IN THERE. YEAH, WE REMOVED THE SALARIES AND PUT, YEAH. YEAH. SO I JUST LEFT IT AS IS. I DON'T, I NEVER MESSED THE SALARIES UNTIL WE ALL GET DOWN TO THAT. THE SAME THING WITH THE, UH, ITEMIZED OF THAT. IT JUST TELLS YOU WHERE WE'RE SPENDING WITH MILES TRAINING UNIFORMS AND THEN THE POSITIONS WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE COMMUNICATION LIEUTENANT FOUR SERGEANTS, WHICH IS, UH, ONE FOR EACH SHIFT. FIVE, UH, COMMUNICATION TRAINING OFFICERS, UH, 18 COMMUNICATION, UH, OFFICERS. ONE, UH, WARRANT SERGEANT AND TWO RECORDS CLERK. THAT MAKES A TOTAL OF 31 IN THE COMMUNICATION CENTER. AND THEN THE BREAKDOWN OF, OF POSITIONS AND THE SALARIES, THE BASE SALARIES, WHICH IS 35 5 8 3. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE, THE FIRST BLUE TAB, WHICH IS THE WINDMILL FARMLAND, WHICH THAT'S JUST THE WASH. UH, PRETTY MUCH. BUT THEY DO, UH, AVERAGE IN THE CAR AND ALL THAT STUFF HOLDS A FEW YEARS AND ALL THAT'S GOING GOOD. WE MEET WITH THEM ONCE A ONCE A MONTH AND GO TO THEIR MEETINGS AND TALK TO THEM AND EVERYTHING'S GOING GOOD THERE. SO, BUT IF YOU CALL OVER, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF CALLS. MORE COW CALLS, ANYTHING ACROSS THE WAY AND COWS OFF TRAIL AND ALL THAT ALL THE TIME. YEAH. I LISTEN TO HIM. I MADE GO SOMEWHERE. IT'S KIND OF NEAT, THAT AREA RIGHT THERE BECAUSE OH YEAH, RIGHT THERE. IT'S NICE TO HAVE. IT'S NICE HAVING THERE. YEAH, IT'S NICE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONES IS THIS WHERE WE PUT IN THE FEDERAL COMMUNICA OR FEDERAL FORFEITURE AND THE STATE TURE QUESTION BEFORE WE, THAT JUDGE GOT THE NAME. ALRIGHT, WELL THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS IMPLEMENT A PAY SCHEDULE. AND I GUESS THE FIRST THING IS YOU CAN KIND OF READ MY, MY LETTER AND THE REASON WHY, UH, WE WANT TO DO THAT IN THE VERY FRONT BECAUSE THIS PRETTY WELL EXPLAINS THAT I, I WROTE THIS LETTER AND I THINK IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING. WE REALLY, TRULY, THE REASON WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE PUT SO MUCH HARD WORK AND EFFORT INTO THIS [02:05:14] JUST COUNTED TO, OF, TO THE POINT IT RAVEN. YEAH. IT'S JUST KIND OF TO THE POINT. AND I, I, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, SO THE FIRST THING IS THE TURNOVER OF THE SUMMARY OF THE TURNOVER. THE FIRST HALF. AND YOU GO GET, KIND OF BROKE THIS DOWN. I WENT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS AND IF YOU CAN SEE OUR DEPUTY ATTENTION COMMUNICATION, UH, OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. SO LET'S GO WITH DEPUTIES. IT, WE DO 960 HOURS WORTH OF TRAINING OUR DEPUTY, UH, FROM THE MINI ACADEMY. NOW I'VE GOT IT ALL BROKE DOWN BACK HERE. UH, SO IT'S COSTING US ABOUT 43, 1 57, 13, UH, TO TRAIN OFFICER. AND WE TOOK THE DEPUTIES THAT LEFT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, UH, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 37 AND IT IS AN IMPACT OF 1.5 9 6 8 1 3 0.81 IS WHAT WE LOST IN TRAINING, WALKING OUT THE DOOR AS FAR AS THE TENSION TAKES 362 HOURS TO TRAIN ATTENTION SIDE. WE HAD 68 LEAVE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS IN WHICH IT, IT COSTING 876 8 9 4 68. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNICATION, 1,058 HOURS IS WHAT IT TAKES. AND IT TAKES, AND IT COST ABOUT 36,000 5, 32 51. AND THEN WE HAD 13 LEADS, WHICH IS 474 9 22 63 OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. SO THE LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE HAD 118 EMPLOYEES LEAVE AND IT'S COST US 2.9 48 6 31 12 IN TRAINING. IT'S AN AVERAGE OF 982,877 A YEAR THAT WALKS OUT THE DOOR AND TRAIN, WHICH IS A TURNOVER RATE OF 47.7. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY YEARS OF SERVICE THESE PEOPLE HAVE ON? OH, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A GOOD, NOT TRUE ON THEM, BUT I GOT A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE LOSING ON THAT. SO THE NEXT TAB IS THE AVERAGE LENGTH. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, EVERY, OUR AVERAGE IS 5.2 IS WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE SAYING THE TENSION IS 3.7 AND COMMUNICATION IS 4.0. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU I BELIEVE THE 5.2, BECAUSE I HAD TWO LEAVE, THAT WAS TWO SENIOR OFFICERS, WHICH IS SA AND PARIS, THAT HAD, ONE OF 'EM HAD 10 YEARS. ONE OF 'EM HAD FIVE, A LITTLE OVER FIVE YEARS. SO I LOST THEM. SO I KNOW THIS NUMBER'S GONNA BE A LITTLE OVER FIVE. YEAH. COMPARING THEM BECAUSE THERE WAS TWO OF OUR BIG NUMBERS IN THERE. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU IDEAL AND ALL THE REST OF IT IS REPORTING DATA OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT WHERE THEY'RE AT. SO YOU GO TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS, WHICH IS THE NEXT THING KIND OF BREAK OUT, KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE COUNTY OF WHERE WE'RE AT. YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT LL COVERS 16 FIVE OR 16.65 SQUARE MILES. AND THAT'S 2% OF THE COUNTY. THEY DO 32 LITTLE OVER 32,000 CALLS AND THEY COVER 16,000 POPULATIONS, WHICH IS 14%. SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH HERE AND SEE ALL THIS, BUT YOU SEE AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING 759.178 SQUARE MILES, WHICH IS 94% OF THE COUNTY. AND WE GOT 35,597 CALLS PER SERVICE FOR 61,000 OF THE POPULATION, WHICH IS 54% OF THE POPULATION THAT WE'RE COVERING. THEN WE GO TO THE PAGE COMPARISON. THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE IT, IT KIND OF GETS THROUGH. YOU KIND OF LOOK AT, AND I KIND OF PUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT EVERYBODY WE HAVE LOST TO. AND THE FIRST THING WE WENT THROUGH IS YOU CAN SEE NEY PD IS STARTING AT 47 4 1 4 AND THEN IN NINE YEARS THEY'RE TOPPING OUT AT 64 8 8 9. AND LEMME JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A COMPARISON DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM WITH OUR, JUST OUR LONGEVITY, IF YOU SEE WE START AT 44, 0 40, AFTER 25 YEARS, YOU, YOU END AT 50,000 60 46, 69. SO THERE'S A BIG, BIG LAP THERE. A BIG DIFFERENCE. SO THEN YOU LOOK ATTER AND THEY'RE STARTING AT 50 DPS. THERE'S NO WAY, I MEAN YOU JUST LOOK AT THAT, UH, MESQUITE PD, YOU CAN SEE THEIR, THEIR PROGRESSING WAS OVER FIVE YEARS. FRISCO OVER SIX YEARS. GRAND PRAIRIE HAS GONE 15 PLUS YEARS, WHICH ENDS OUT AT AROUND 79, UH, ROCKWALL. SO YOU CAN SEE THE RANGE THEY'RE PULLING, WHICH WE JUST LOST ONE OVER THERE. AND ELLIS COUNTY DOES A DEPUTY ONE, DEPUTY TWO AND DEPUTY THREE. AND THAT DEPENDS ON SLOT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I WANTED TO PUT 'EM IN THE EQUATION AND YOU SEE WHERE WE GO EVERY YEAR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG BREAK THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR DEPUTIES COMPARING TO EVERYBODY. THEN YOU GO THE SECOND SHEET AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE DO COMPARISON WITH [02:10:01] OUR DETENTION STAFF IN WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I'LL ADMIT WE'RE NOT FAR OFF WITH ATTENTION. I THINK WE JUST GOTTA GIVE 'EM SOMEWHERE WHERE TO GO DOWN THE LINE BESIDES JUST RAW LONGEVITY AND DID PRETTY WELL. YOU CAN SEE THAT COLLIN COUNTY STARTS AT 36, WE 35, 37. GRAYSON COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY 40 ROCKWALL, 34 ELLIS COUNTY 38 STARTING OUT. SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ROUGHLY THAT BAD. WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO THE BALLPARK THERE. DO THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS PROVIDE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COMPANY CHURCH? DO YOU KNOW WHEN TO GET THERE? I NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S PART OF THE DON'T OH YES. YEAH, IT IS. AND IT JUST, I MEAN HONESTLY IT TOOK A, IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO GET ALL THIS DATA TOGETHER TO GET EVERYTHING. I MEAN, GETTING FRUSTRATING. YES, SIR. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD FIND OUT ON SOME OF THESE, UH, OTHER, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS, PARTICULARLY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS FROM TAG WHAT THE, THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING. I KNOW LIKE WE CONTRIBUTED A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT, AND I THINK MOST OTHER COUNTIES DO TOO, BUT I'M NOT, I'M SAY MOST, YEAH, I THINK MOST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES. WELL, DUNCANVILLE, THEY PAY ALL Y'ALL. I MEAN THAT'S GONNA BE WELL THE EMPLOYEE, YEAH, JUST THE EMPLOYEE MAJORITY. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY WELL, YEAH. I DID SEND A, UM, ON THE LISTERV LAST WEEK, I DID SEND AN EMAIL AND I ASKING FOR THAT INFORMATION, BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY RESPONSIVE, UM, PERCENTAGE OF CONTRIBUTION FOR HEALTHCARE, MAYBE TAX COULD DO. I'LL ASK. WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW. IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW THE NAME OF THE COUNTY, BUT SURE. UM, I MEAN I THINK IF WE COULD JUST GET A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW MANY COUNTIES PAYING HUNDRED PERCENT. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING. THAT'S A GOOD, AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT FOR EMPLOYEES ALSO, NOT JUST SHERIFF'S OFFICE. YEAH. WELL THEN I, I THINK IT'S WHATEVER YOU DO FOR ONE, YOU FOR EVERYBODY. I DON'T THINK YOU'D BE DOING FOR ALL. YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST DIFFERENTIATE, I DON'T THINK. BUT YOU KIND OF LOOK IN THE TENSION WHERE WE'RE AT AND SEE THAT. AND THEN YOU CAN GO TO THE, UH, COMMUNICATION DEAL AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY CLOSE INTO THAT BALLPARK WITH THEM. UH, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY ONES THAT SOME OF 'EM GOT SOME GOOD DOWN THE ROAD, YOU CAN SEE SOME GOOD PROGRESS OR WHERE OR WHERE YOU'RE HEADED DOWN THE ROAD. AND I THINK THAT'S SOME, HONESTLY THAT FAR DE TENSION, ALL THE OTHER, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS WE'RE YOUNG HEADED DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG ASPECT OF WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID HERE. UH, SO THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY COMPARES. UH, THE NEXT PART IS JUST THE PATROL TRAINING. THAT'S A BREAKDOWN. EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS ACCORDING DOCUMENT AND WHAT WE DO. UH, YOU WANT TALK ABOUT EITHER ONE OF 'EM? WE CAN, I THINK IT'S JUST THERE. WE JUST PUT IT ALL THERE TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT COSTS US TO DO THAT. AND ALSO, AND WE, AND WE DO THAT IN HOUSE. WE DO PART OF IT. THEY ALREADY, I MEAN WE, THE FTO STUFF, WE DO ALL OF IT. I MEAN WE DO A MINI ACADEMY FOR THE DEPUTY. IT'S JUST WHAT IT, WHAT WE'RE PAYING WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE COSTS, THIS IS COST FOR ME TO HAVE SOMEBODY TEACHING THE CLASS WITH THEM AND ME TO PUT A DEPUTY WITH THEM TO TRAIN THEM THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. RIGHT. AND WHICH THAT'S A COST. WE GOTTA FIGURE INTO THIS. SO, BUT WE DO MOST OF IT IN HOUSE. WHAT DO WE CHARGE? I KNOW WE TRAIN OUTSIDE AGENCIES. WE, WE CHARGE 'EM NOTHING BUT MOST OF 'EM THAT WE AROUND HERE, WE, THEY PUT TRAINING ON AND WE GO DO IT. P OKAY. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE OF THOSE WASH DEALS. THEY, WE HELP EACH OTHER OUT WHEN THEY HAVE TRAINING. THEY DON'T CHARGE US NOTHING. WELL, WHEN YOU KEEP SAYING TRAINING, WE'RE JUST TRAINING THEM OUR POLICIES AND OUR WHAT YOU WANT. THEY ALREADY HAVE LICENSE. THEY ALREADY, THEY GOTTA TEACH. WE TEACH 'EM OUR THROUGH FT. WE TEACH 'EM WAY WE'RE DOING THINGS AND CONTROL HOW WE WANT IT DONE. SAME THING WITH A, WE TEACH THEM HOW WE WANT IT DONE. WHERE OUR POLICIES, PROCEDURES ARE. YEAH. NO, I, I KNOW THAT I WANT, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY UNDER YEAH. BECAUSE OUR, OUR MENTAL IS EIGHT WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS. FOUR WEEKS. OKAY. IT'S FOUR WEEKS. AND THAT JUST GETS 'EM, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THEN THE FULL FTO IS 16 WEEKS. NOW IT CAN BE EIGHT IF YOU'RE PRIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND YOU SHOW THAT YOU MOVED ON. SO YEAH, YOU BEEN MORGAN SOMEWHERE FOR 10 YEARS AND WE'VE GOT TO ADAPT AND OUR AND OUR FTO FEELS LIKE YOU HAVE WELL AND YOU'RE DOING GOOD. WE CAN, WE CAN SHORTEN THAT UP. PEOPLE DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT. IT VARIES. WE GET FEW DO IT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IF THEY COME FROM ANOTHER AGENCY GUARANTEE THEY'RE GETTING EIGHT WEEKS. YEAH. RIGHT. WE MIGHT, WE DONE OUR WAY. YEAH. AND IF THEY'RE NOT PERCEIVING LIKE WE THINK THEY'RE, OR THEY'RE GONNA ABOVE FULL. BUT YOUR SENIOR DEPUTY RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY, MANY YEARS YOU HAVE TO SERVICE DEPUTY WISE? I THINK WE'RE FIXING TO MOVE ONE. WELL WE'RE FIXING TO MOVE ONE FROM CID BACK ON PATROL. I THINK HE HAS NINE YEARS, BUT HE DONE SOME OF THAT IN C. YOUR FTOS GOT HOW MUCH TIME [02:15:01] SERVICE YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD INDIVIDUALS DOING IT. BUT SOME OF 'EM PROBABLY FOUR YEARS. YEAH. ALRIGHT. WE GOT SOME OF 'EM. TEACHERS, THEY'RE REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEES. THEY'RE OUTSTANDING. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF YEAR SERVICE. BUT THEY'RE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO BE TRAINED BECAUSE THE POSITIVE MOTIVATORS THAT PRODUCE WORKERS GOOD. SO, BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE 'EM A LITTLE SAFETY TO US, BUT WE CAN'T GIVE, THAT'S MY BIGGEST, BIGGEST NIGHTMARE. THEY'RE EASY HIRES FROM OTHER PEOPLE. SURE. I MEAN YOU GO AROUND AND ASK PEOPLE, THEY SAY DO FIVE YEARS COST COUNTY US BECAUSE WE FIND THAT OUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LEAVING HERE NOW IN SENIOR LEVEL POSITIONS, DEPARTMENTS. BUT YOU JUST TRAINING THEM TO . AND MY BIGGEST DEAL IS I'M LAYING AT NIGHT WITH ALL THESE YOUNG PEOPLE. I'M HOPING THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION EVERY NIGHT. IT'S LOVE LAYING YOUR HEAD ON THE FLOOR WITH THESE PEOPLE ARE SO YOUNG. WELL WE NEED SOME SENIOR PEOPLE OUT HERE. AND THAT'S JUST, IT'S SCARY. I, I AIN'T GONNA LIE TO YOU, VERY LITTLE SLEEP AT NIGHT WHEN THEY YOUNG BECAUSE WHEN THEY CALLED HIM A CRIME TAPE AROUND THE PARKING LOT. MM-HMM . JUST LITTLE KIDS. MM-HMM . I'M TELLING YOU, I GOT ONE. I CALLED GIE BECAUSE HE IS, I'M WAITING FOR THE CALL FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY A KID IS TOLD TO A GOOD KID, GREAT KID. NOW WHAT'S SAD IS HE ISN'T EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW WHO DOOGIE THE PROBLEM PARKING LOT. THE SAME THING WITH INTENTION, ALL THAT SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE COMMUNICATION. THAT'S ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. YOU LOOK AT SUPPORTING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE'RE TRAINING AND HOW LONG IT TAKES. SO I GUESS THE NEXT THING WE'LL GO TO IS THE PAY SCALE PROGRAM. AND THIS, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE, WE CAN DO. BUT I THINK TAKING THIS AND LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT HERE, TELL ME WHERE TO GO. UH, IT'S ON THE SECOND GREEN FROM THE TOP IT SAYS PAY SCALE PROGRAM, PAY SCALE. OKAY. AND THEN TURN THAT FIRST COVER PAGE THERE. PAY SCHEDULE OR PAY SCHEDULE. YEAH. I'M GOT, SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT PRETTY WELL, WHAT WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS A FEW YEARS AGO WE COME BACK TRYING TO DO STEP PAY AND ALL THAT AND JUST TRYING TO MIX THAT WITH LONGEVITY AND ALL THAT. IT JUST DON'T WORK. 'CAUSE YOU WIND UP HAVING THESE EMPLOYEES PASS YOUR OLD EMPLOYEE. SO THIS IS THE BEST OPTION THAT WE HAVE SET DOWN. AND WE HAVE WORKED THIS, I DON'T KNOW, WE'VE WORKED THIS MONTH BEFORE WE FINALLY GOT WHERE WE WANTED TO BE, UH, LEAVING EVERYTHING WHERE IT'S AT AND GIVING THESE DEPUTIES, THESE COMMUNICATION PEOPLE LOOK AT WHERE YOU'RE HEADED IN EACH YEAR. SO A DEPUTY WOULD KNOW HE COME TO WORK WITH THIS, BUT IN TWO YEARS HE'S GETTING ANOTHER 2004 YEARS. HE'S GETTING TWO TIMES AS LONGEVITY'S GOING TO SET IN AT FIVE YEARS AT SIX HE'S GETTING TWO AND HE'S BUILDING THAT BASE PAY UP. BECAUSE I THINK WHERE WE WANT TO LOOK AND REALLY LOOK AND FOCUS ON THIS, WE'RE LOSING THEM BETWEEN FIVE AND EIGHT. BUT IF YOU LOOK BETWEEN FIVE AND EIGHT AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED DOWN THE END, WE'RE GONNA COME MEET THESE PEOPLE IN LONG TERM. AND THEN IF WE EVER IMPLEMENT THIS, THE BEST WAY TO FIX IT IS WE MOVE THE BASE, PAY UP DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S AN EASY FIX. BUT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT EASY FIX BECAUSE LONGEVITY, THAT WAS GOOD IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN IT WAS PRODUCED. IT AIN'T THAT GOOD NOW. I MEAN IT, IT'S JUST NOT MUCH OF A MOVE. I MEAN WHEN YOU'RE STAYING HERE 25 YEARS AND YOU MADE 6,000 MORE, THAT'S A PROBLEM IN 25 YEARS. BUT THIS WAY IT GIVES SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THIS WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW AND WHERE THEY'RE HEADED, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING IN THESE DIFFERENT INCREMENTS. OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM POTENTIAL IS THEY DON'T SEE ANYTHING PAST WHERE THEY'RE AT. THEY START OUT AT THIS MUCH. WE HIRE A GUY TWO YEARS LATER THEY'RE MAKING THE SAME MONEY. HE MAY BE TRAINING THIS GUY. YOU KNOW, SO THEY, THEY DON'T SEE PAST THAT THEY CAN'T SEE DOWN THE ROAD AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE DOWN THE ROAD. DID IT HELP WHEN WE RESTARTED THE UH, LONGEVITY I WITH THAT, THAT HELPED A LITTLE BIT. 'CAUSE THEN WE HAD PEOPLE GOING TRAINING THEY DID THAT DID HELP. I MEAN WE STARTED THAT BACK WHAT, LAST YEAR? LAST YEAR. WE DID IT LAST YEAR AND THEN 2015. AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE NEWEST NUMBERS WITH THE THE ONE NOW. SO IT HAS HELPED. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DID IT WHERE IF I HIRED SOMEBODY WITH THE MASTERPIECE OFFICER, HE'LL GET IT AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR. HE GETS IT THAT YEAR AND THEN HE GETS THE NEXT, NEXT YEAR WE DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE. SO WE JUST DON'T, THE BASE PAY WOULD BE 44,000. THAT IS CORRECT. AND YOU CAN HIRE PEOPLE FOR THAT. I THINK WE CAN HIRE PEOPLE THAT IF WE GIVE 'EM THIS, YOU WELL. BUT, BUT THEN IN TWO YEARS YOU GET 2000 AND THEN IN FOUR YEARS YOU GET 2000 AND THEN IN FIVE YEARS YOU GET THE LONGEVITY ON TOP OF THE RANGE. YEAH. MM-HMM . KEEP GOING. YEAH. WHAT'S OUR BEGINNING [02:20:01] PAY NOW? WHAT? IT'S 44. OH 44 6. SO YOU DON'T WANT, SO IT'S THE SAME. YEAH. WELL I'M GONNA THINK TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO GO HERE. I DON'T THINK I CAN, IF I DID THAT, YOU'RE GONNA SHOCK AT THE NUMBER I'M GONNA TELL YOU BECAUSE WE NEED TO FLIP A PAGE HERE BEFORE YOU GO. NO, I'M, I'M, I REALLY THINK WE CAN, IF I CAN PUT THIS MODEL OUT HERE THAT SOMEBODY KNOWS IN TWO YEARS HE'S GETTING THIS, SHE'S SHOWS HIM IN 25 YEARS HE IS GONNA MAKE 80, 82. RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK IF THEY CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE HEADED, I THINK I CAN MAKE IT WORK. WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENT? RIGHT? THE CURRENT CURRENT, THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES. NOW THEY'LL, THEY'LL MOVE UP TO THEM STEPS AND WE'LL GIVE 'EM, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THERE AT 15 YEARS AND THEY'RE GONNA JUMP TO, THEY'RE GONNA 63, THEY'RE GONNA GET THOUSAND. THEY'RE SITTING BACK HERE AT 46, THEY'RE GONNA GET DOWN. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WILL LOSE MONEY BASED ON THIS. NO. THERE'S NOBODY THAT WILL LOSE MONEY. THIS IS THE WHOLE WHOLE SCHEME. I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, WELL THIS JUST SHOWS Y'ALL BASE POSITIONS. Y'ALL ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING THE 2000 FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF Y'ALL'S POSITIONS. CORRECT? RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S FOR EVERYTHING THE SAME. I WAS CLEAR UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS AND SAY THIS RODNEY BEEN HERE 25 YEARS AND NOT MAKE $82,000. RIGHT. HOW LONG YOU BEEN HERE? 21. SO, SO HE'S GOING TO GET A, HE'S GONNA GET A GONNA PASS YOU. I DON'T CARE. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE HE'S BEEN HERE AND DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. I'M NOT ARGUING. OH, I KNOW, I KNOW. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. THESE PEOPLE HAVE PUT INTO THESE COUNTIES AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT IS PEOPLE LOOKING. BUT IF WE IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE ONES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE THAT'S ON THAT FENCE, I THINK WE'LL KEEP EVERY ONE OF 'EM BESIDES THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO GO CHASE. THEY WANNA GO CHASE A HUNDRED THOUSAND. THIS PEOPLE GONNA LEAVE US ANYHOW. BUT THE ONES THAT'S BEEN HERE AND BEEN COMMITTED, I THINK WE'LL LOCK EVERYBODY IN AT THIS POINT. I WE'LL GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME FLY. YEAH. CANDIDATES FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY GET TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE HEADED AT SOME POINT. YOU GOT, YOU GOTTA SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN WORKING PATROL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS VERSUS RIDING AROUND OUT IN COLTON COUNTY. YEAH. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A LESS DANGEROUS NO, THERE'S SAY THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT IS. IT IS. IN SOME SENSE. IT'S A LOT. OR AT LEAST YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S, I HOPE IT'S, I I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S OR NOT. I, I THINK, I THINK YOU STRESS THAT ON IT'S INSTANT DANGER. FIVE PEOPLE BACK UP IN FIVE MINUTES, BUT WE AIN'T GOT FOUR. YOU'RE BY YOURSELF. YOU'RE BY YOURSELF. KINDA LIKE HIGHWAY PATROL. BUT I MEAN STILL IN SOME SENSES YOU, YOU FEEL BETTER. RIGHT? I FEEL BETTER LIVING AWAY FROM DALLAS AND I LIVING MILITARY. SO I MEAN THERE IS A BUT IF YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE AND THEN YOU PUT THEM NUMBER ONE MM-HMM . PRIORITIZE THEIR NEEDS. IT MIGHT NOT BE MONETARY NEEDS, BUT YOU TAKE CARE OF'EM, THEY'LL WORK FOR LESS MONEY FOR YOU. OH YEAH. AND THEY'LL COME TO YOU KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE GOING. YEAH. WELL IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TREAT PEOPLE RIGHT, THEY'LL WORK FOR YOU. THEY'LL BE CONTENT HERE. THEY'LL BE HAPPY HERE. THEY'VE GOT TO SEE A DIFFERENCE DOWN THE ROAD THEY'RE GONNA MAKE. 'CAUSE THE BIG THING IS LIKE RIGHT NOW, FAMILY, EVERYBODY ELSE IS, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING THERE FOUR YEARS AND I'M COMING IN NOW AND WE'RE MAKING THE SAME THING. YEAH. WASN'T $4, $4 A YEAR. 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS. SO, SO A HUNDRED DOLLARS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GUY, 20 YEAR GUY. THE OTHER BIG PROBLEM WE HAVE, DON'T EVEN KNOW. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE THAT KIND OF MONEY YET. OH YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG THING. WE CAN TURN TO THE NEXT PHASE. YEAH. AND I, AND I ENLIGHTEN, UH, BY DOING THIS PLAN AND SETTING IT OUT AND CALCULATING OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALLY GOOD HELP WITH UH, KW I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT CARRYING IT. EITHER ONE. THEY BUILT THE PROGRAM. WE CAN FIGURE ALL THIS STUFF UP BECAUSE THIS IS TO THE TEAM WITH RETIREMENT INSURANCE. EVERYTHING'S PUTTING IT IN HERE. IT, I AIN'T GONNA LIE TO YOU, SEE IT'S HIGH $683,000. IT IS NOT CHEAP. BUT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS IN THIS THAT I'LL BRING TO THE TABLE. BUT MURDER AND NOTHING AGAINST EVERYBODY, I'LL PROBABLY GET BEAT. I MIGHT BE A ONE TURNER, I DON'T KNOW. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS WE'RE LOSING MORE PEOPLE AND MORE SENIOR PEOPLE IN OUR DEPUTIES. MAYBE WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THIS IN A SERIES AND DO OUR DEPUTIES FIRST. AND I I GO EXPLAIN TO OUR COMMUNICATION I WANT AND SHOW 'EM WHERE THE COMPARISON IS TO CUT THIS DOWN. WE MIGHT JUST HAVE TO DO THE DEPUTY SIDE PART AND I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. BUT WE JUST GOTTA LOOK DOWN THE ROAD TO HELP THE OTHER SIDE. YOU'RE CLOSER. YES, EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. WE'RE WE'RE A LOT CLOSER. WE'RE A LOT CLOSER THAN WE'RE ON OUR EXACTLY. AND I THINK WE CAN DEFEND NOW. I JUST, I'VE GOTTA GO OVER AND SIT AND TALK WHEN WE DO THIS BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GONNA COME. THERE'S NOT A DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT [02:25:01] ONCE YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARISON AND COMPARE EVERYTHING RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG. MM-HMM . BUT I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DOLLAR NUMBER AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GOTTA LOOK AT, UH, SO THE BIG THING THERE IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE FIVE 60 AND THAT'S 4 54 AND WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE WINDMILL FARM, THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE A WALK ANYHOW. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T THINK WE FIGURED THAT IN THERE. I DON'T THINK WE, THE 6 83, WE DIDN'T TAKE THAT OUT THERE. DID WE JUST PUT THAT BASE NUMBER IN THERE? DID WE? WHAT'S THAT? WE DIDN'T TAKE THE MOON MILL FARM OR THE SRO OUT OF THAT NUMBER. SO I MEAN THAT WOULD DROP IT A LITTLE BIT. BUT FROM ON ALLEN DEPUTY YOU MEAN? YEAH. 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SRO, WHICH IS 46 EXTRA AND THEN THE WASN'T NO IN THERE AT ALL. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT IN THERE. SO YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT 46 OFF THAT. AND THEN THE REST OF IT BEHIND THAT IS EVERY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS FROM EVERYBODY WE GOT. I MEAN YOU CAN GO LOOKING AT ALL THAT WHERE WE GOT EVERY DATA WE GOT, YOU'VE GOT SUPPORTING DOCUMENT WITH IT. UH, SO, SO YOU CAN GLANCE THROUGH ALL THAT STUFF, SEE EVERYTHING, LOT OF FORCE, YOU KNOW. WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. Y'ALL NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY. WE BEING FINE. EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND YES, I'LL ADMIT THIS HAS BEEN STRESSFUL THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF. 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON MY STAFF, I'VE BEEN ON MYSELF, Y'ALL KNOW, I, I'VE, I LIKE TO GET INTO THIS STUFF AND GET ALL THE DATA WE POSSIBLY CAN TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE WE CAME BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE MAKE GOOD DECISIONS IS GET EVERYTHING GATHERED UP AND LOOK AT, ALRIGHT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT, HOW WOULD THIS WORK IF SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE LEFT US COME BACK TO US, THAT HR QUESTION WELL HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? I WOULD THINK THEY'D BE NO NEW EMPLOYEES. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY THAT IF WE DO IT FOR THIS ONE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. SO I THINK THEY'D JUST HAVE TO CALL BACK IN THE GROUP THINGS. WE BASICALLY DO THAT NOW. I MEAN WE DO IT NOW. COME BACK IF THEY'RE ON PROBATION AGAIN, WE START OVER NICE PAY. YEP. IF WE HIRE PATROL OFFICER. YEAH. IF WE GET SOMEBODY, LET'S SAY 10 OR 12 YEAR PERSON WHO WANTED TO COME BACK, YOU BUS HIM ALL THE WAY BACK FROM THE BEGINNING. WE HIRE EVERYBODY IN. EVERYBODY HIRED AS A NEW EMPLOYEE. AS A NEW EMPLOYEE. I THINK THAT FOR EVERY PURPOSE RETIRE I SAY I THINK THAT NIGHTMARE FOR ALL US COULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T COME BACK. WELL, NO. CAN'T GIVE. WE JUST GOTTA BE ABLE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE WE GOT FOR PEOPLE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK WITH THIS PROGRAM, Y'ALL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, THE FOUR, FOUR AND EIGHT RANGES IS WHERE THEY'RE WITH THIS IATION WE'LL LEARN, WE'LL KEEP THAT ASPECT OF IT. WE'LL HOLD THEN AND THEN I THINK WE'LL GAIN THE REST OF 'EM BECAUSE THEY SEE WHERE THEY'RE HEADED. THEY KNOW THEY'RE GETTING SOMETHING. I I'M THINKING IF WE COULD DO THE, THE PATROL GUYS FIRST, OTHERS LATER NOT BE WAY GOES. BUT I HONESTLY AND NOT SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK THEY NEED TO LOOK SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY TO GIVE 'EM AN ASPECT OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED DOWN FROM. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK THIS, THE LONGEVITY IS, IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ANYMORE. I THINK YOU GOTTA PUT SOME STEPS TO GET YOUR PICTURE WHERE THEY'RE AT. SO I WOULD ASK THAT Y'ALL LOOK FOR LONG TERM DOWN THE ROAD FOR EMPLOYEE IN THE COUNTY TO TRY FIGURE SOME KIND OF PROGRAM TO GET TO THAT. I KNOW IT IS MONEY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE WORKING FOR US. WE'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS THAT. IF WE DON'T INVEST IN OUR PEOPLE, IT SEES WHAT HAPPENS. THEY LEAVE GOOD. THAT'S IT. WE'RE WAKE UP ONE DAY, YOU HAVE FIVE YEAR PEOPLE, EVERYTHING. RIGHT? YEAH. YES. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU HAVE A, A PERSON WHO IS UM, PROMOTED INTO A DEPUTY POSITION AT TWO YEARS, DO THEY GO TO THE BASE PAGE TO START AS A DEPUTY OR DO THEY GO TO THEIR TWO YEAR PART? IF THEY'RE PROMOTED INTO THE, IF THERE WERE A JAILER IN DETENTION, THEN YOU PUT 'EM AS A, AS A DEPUTY START, AS A PATROL DEPUTY. I I WOULD THINK YOU'D START JUST THE BASE PAGE. THEY NOT GONNA START. YOU GOTTA STOP AT THE, YOU GOTTA START, YOU GOTTA START EVERY TIME. JUST CLEAR. JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. YOU COULDN'T TAKE, SOMEBODY'S BEEN 10 YEARS IN THE JAIL. I AGREE. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN MOVE OVER IN THERE. NO, I AGREE. THEY'VE GOT TO START BACK AT BASE PAY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A POLICE RIGHT. THEY'RE OFFICER CIVIL. YEAH, THERE'S NO CIVIL AND THEN I GUESS IT MIGHT GET, OH THEY'LL PROBABLY KEEP THE LONGEVITY, PROBABLY THE MERIT RAISE THEIR LONGEVITY. GET A LONGEVITY. WE COULDN'T STOP THAT. WELL THAT, THAT WOULDN'T COVER OVER 'CAUSE THAT'S THEIR JEWELER'S LICENSE. YEAH. WHEN THEY MOVE OVER TO DEPUTY THAT [02:30:01] THAT'S A DIFFERENT CERTIFICATE'S A THEY'LL LOSE THAT. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT MEET PEOPLE RIGHT. ABLE TO BARGAIN WITH IT. DON'T MEAN TO SAY, WHEN I SAY ABLE WE STILL, OH, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF NUMBERS LOOKING AT YEAH. AND THAT AND PLUS WE'VE GOT A NOTE TODAY, OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING UP 5%. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD CHUNK AND THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY. BUT THE MAY BE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO FOR THAT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BETTER, YOU KNOW. UH, BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT'S, WE STILL DON'T HAVE OUR PROPERTY VALUES. I MEAN WE'VE GOT THE PRELIMINARY PROPERTY VALUES AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE WAITING ON SOME OTHER DATA. WE JUST GOT THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND SO THAT, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A CHUNK OF MONEY AWAY. WE GIVE THEM A LITTLE TIME TO SEE WHAT THAT COULD BE. I DON'T I'M FAR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO HERE. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST DOING THE, UH, CONTROL, RIGHT? YES. YOU KNOW, AND THE COMMAND STAFF OR WHATEVER. UH, BUT UH, I THINK THE OTHER, THAT'D BE THE, PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY I'D SEE WE COULD AFFORD TO AND I MEAN WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON WITH THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND STUFF. RIGHT. WELL I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY I CAN, I CAN GO BACK OVER AND DEFEND THE PEOPLE THAT HEY, THIS IS THE REASON WHY AND SHOW IT TO 'EM BECAUSE I'LL HAVE TO MEET WITH EVERY ONE OF 'EM BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, YOU GOT 247 EMPLOYEES. IT'S ROUGH OUT THERE. I AIN'T GONNA LIE TO YOU, BUT I'LL HAVE TO GO SIT DOWN AND AND FIGHT THAT PADDLE AND, AND TELL 'EM EXACTLY THE REASON WHY WE DID AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED DOWN THE ROAD. AND LIKE I SAY, I THINK THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS IS IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS, IT'S GONNA PROVE TO THEN THAT PEOPLE WE'RE INVESTING IN OUR PEOPLE. AND I THINK IT'S GONNA HELP US ALL DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I THINK THERE'LL BE UNDERSTANDING FOR THIS. YES, BLACK AND WHITE. I MEAN PATROL SIDE IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE PHRASE DIFFERENCE. COMPARISONS AROUND. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY HERE AGAINST IT MATTER. THAT'S THE HARDEST THING FOR PEOPLE I TELL YOU. AND LIKE I SAY POINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT, IT'S WHAT IT'S SOMEHOW YOU HAVE EVERY DEPARTMENT EVERY ONCE IN A THE SAME THING. OH YEAH. AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING. AND WHAT, WHAT, ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT US IS WE'RE GOOD AT PROVIDING DATA AND GIVING YOU TRULY THE FACTS OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. NOT JUST A, A WISHLIST JUST COMING HERE AND SAYING, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I GOT SUPPORTING STUFF. SO HELP YOU MAKE GOOD DECISIONS BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. YEAH. ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? SORRY I TOOK SO LONG TODAY. I APPRECIATE YOU'RE RIGHT AT A HALF HOUR, BE HALF RIGHT AT HALF. WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. YOU DESERVE A COUPLE HOURS. WE APPRECIATE IT. LIKE, I APOLOGIZE WE DIDN'T MAKE THE, WE HAD GOOD THING WE DIDN'T. YEAH. BECAUSE I WAS THERE. SO IT WORKED OUT FINE. IT WAS LONG ENOUGH AS IT WAS. YEAH. WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING VERY MUCH AND LIKE I SAY, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU START LOOKING FOR THIS, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CALL ME AND RODNEY AT ANY TIME AND WE'LL GET ANYTHING YOU WANT OR EXPLAIN ANYTHING THAT'S IN. ALRIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. THANK Y'ALL. WHY NOT? OH, OKAY. LEMME KNOW. YEAH, LET KNOW. I'M GETTING, CAN'T EVEN SEE WHAT TIME IT IS ANYMORE. TIMEKEEPER, TIMEKEEPER, TIMEKEEPER 40. WHERE? TIMEKEEPER. OH, I PUT IT BY WINDOW. IT SAYS A SET AND PUT IT BY A WESTERN FACING WINDOW. SO DO YOU KNOW WHICH WAY THAT'S YES, I DID. I GOT MY AND IT'S, BUT IT, IT'S, IT GOES ALL SMART. YES. IT'S A SMART ARE WE DONE? WE'RE DONE BREAKING. WE'RE DONE. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION CONCERNING, UH, REAL PROPERTY GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0 7 2. [02:35:02] AND UH, PERSONNEL MATTERS. CODE FIVE SEVEN I A MOTION. MOTION GO. AND SO WHAT TIME WE 3 44? YEP. 3 44. WHO MADE THE MOTIONED OR MADE IT? MADE IT SECOND. MAKES IT EASIER. Y'ALL DO THE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.