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THIS WORKSHOP[Call to Order]
MEETING OF COPPER COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS CALLED ORDER IT'S MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2020 9:00 AM OR IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM.UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT, UH, COMMISSIONER CATES IS PRESENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT IS PRESENT AND COUNTY JUDGE IS PRESENT, BUT, UH, OTHER TWO COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT AVAILABLE TODAY.
SO THE ITEMS I'LL JUST READ OFF THE AGENDA ITEMS, WE'LL JUST TAKE THEM AS WE GO.
UH, WORKSHOP PART OF THIS MEETING IS TO DISCUSS FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND 2020 APPLICATION INVITATION TO DISK ALSO TO DISCUSS COUNTY, UH, COCHRAN COUNTY SOLID WASTE, HOLLER BONDING, AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING, UH, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND 2020 APPLICATION.
[Workshop (Part 1 of 2)]
THIS POINT, UH, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO OUR COUNTY ENGINEER AND, UH, LET YOU LEAD THE DISCUSSION.I THINK, UH, JERRY IS FIXED UP A POWER OR WE'RE GONNA RUN A POWERPOINT FOR YOU.
YES, WE GET IT ON OUR SCREENS UP HERE, SIR.
CAN WE GET IT ON OUR SCREENS UP HERE? YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN PUT THE POWERPOINT ON OUR SCREENS.
WE CAN MAYBE WE'D POSITION OURSELVES TO GET UP AND GO STAND OVER THERE SO I CAN SEE THEM BETTER.
SO AS, UH, THE JUDGE MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, SUBMITTED AN ABRIDGED APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO REQUEST FUNDING FOR A COUNTY WIDE.
DO ANY STUDY UNDER THE NEWLY CREATED FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND? UM, THE PROJECT, UH, OUR PROJECT WAS SELECTED AND TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS INVITED THE COUNTY TO SUBMIT A FULL APPLICATION, UH, FOR FUNDING.
UH, THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE ELIGIBLE FOR A 75% GRANT, BUT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO DECIDE HOW TO COVER THE REMAINING SHARE OF 25%, WHICH IS $60,000.
UM, WE'VE GOT ACTUALLY WE SHOWED TWO OPTIONS.
THERE IS THERE'S EVEN A THIRD OPTION OF, UH, INCOME PARTICIPATION.
UM, WE CAN REQUEST A LOAN FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
UH, THAT'S UH, UH, HAS NO INTEREST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UH, OR WE CAN UTILIZE COUNTY, UH, AVAILABLE FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY.
UH, THE LETTER OF INTENT AND FULL APPLICATION HAVE AGGRESSIVE TIMELINES, UH, WHICH IS WHY, UH, I REQUESTED THIS SPECIAL MEETING.
UH, THE COUNTY NEEDS TO INITIATE STEPS THAT DEMONSTRATE A, UH, COLLABORATION WITH THE NEIGHBORING, UH, NEIGHBORING ENTITIES, AS WELL AS THE PRESS, PARTICULARLY, UH, THE VARIOUS CITIES WITHIN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND IS ADMINISTRATED BY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR DRAINAGE, FLOOD MITIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL.
THERE ARE FOUR FINANCIAL ASSISTANT CATEGORIES, A CATEGORY.
ONE IS FLOOD PROTECTION PLANNING FOR WATERSHEDS CATEGORY TWO IS A PA DC OR REHABILITATION, UH, STRUCTURAL TYPE THINGS, UM, FEDERAL, UH, WARD MATCHING FUNDS AND MEASURES IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE IN PROTECTING LIFE AND PROPERTY WARNING SYSTEMS, CROSSING BARRIERS AND REVERSE AND REVERSE NINE 11.
THANKS THAT, UH, WE SUBMITTED FOR CATEGORY ONE, UH, WHICH IS FLOOD PROTECTION AND PLANNING FOR WATERSHEDS COPLEY COUNTY SUBMITTED THE BRIDGE APPLICATION, UH, TO REQUEST FOR, FOR THAT FUNDING.
UH, THE TOTAL PRICE CHECK COST IS $240,000.
UH, AND AGAIN, OUR SHARE OF THAT WOULD BE 60,000.
UH, WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR, UH, THE 0% LOAN WITH, UH, TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
UH, OR IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES YOU CAN, UM, FUNDED OUT OF, UH, IDENTIFY AND FUNDED OUT OF, UH, COUNTY FUNDS.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, YOU CAN, UH, UH, WE CAN ESTIMATE WHAT, UH, IN KIND SERVICES WE WOULD PROVIDE.
THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TRICKY AT THIS POINT, BUT, UH, UH, THAT'S WHY WE REALLY DIDN'T ADVANCE THAT TOO MUCH.
THE TEXAS WATER BOARD EXTENDED THE INVITATION TO SUBMIT THE COMPLETE ED APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING FOR THE, UH, UM, FLOOD, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE FUND KAUFMAN COUNTY STRANGE STUDY RANKED 28
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OUT OF 285 APPLICATIONS.SO WE WERE VERY HIGHLY RANKED AND, UH, STEP ONE IS TO, UH, APPLY, UH, IS TO SUBMIT OUR INTENT TO APPLY, WHICH IS DUE SEPTEMBER 30TH, STEP TWO, FULL FINANCIAL, UH, UH, ASSISTANCE APPLICATION IS DUE ON OCTOBER 19TH.
AGAIN, UH, AS I SAID BEFORE, UH, STEP ONE IS TO, UH, UH, SUBMIT OUR INTENT TO APPLY AS A ONE ONE PAGE FORM.
UH, YOU SEE A DRAFT, UH, ON THE SCREEN, UH, THIS GRAPH INDICATES THAT, UH, UH, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING OUT OF COUNTY FUNDS IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES OTHERWISE, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT THIS IS THE FULL, UH, APPLICATION IS 16 PAGES, UM, TOGETHER WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS.
UH, IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, WE'LL, UH, UH, FILL THIS OUT AND SUBMIT IT.
UM, THIS IS THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, UH, YAN.
WE NEED TO NOTIFY THE VARIOUS, UH, CITIES IN OUR COUNTY THAT WHETHER IF WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UM, IN FACT, THEY THEY'RE PRETTY REDUNDANT IN THEIR REQUESTS.
THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT WE, UH, THE NOTICE WE SENT, THEY WANT TO SEE A LIST OF THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS TO WHICH THIS NOTICE WAS SENT, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, IN MY ESTIMATION.
UM, I THINK THERE'S ROUGHLY 14, UH, CITIES IN THE COUNTY, UM, UH, AND THE DATE ON WHICH THE NOTICE WAS SENT.
SO WE'VE GOT A VERY SHORT TIMELINE TO GET ALL THIS PUT TOGETHER.
UH, HAS THE APPLICANT ACTED COOPERATIVELY WITH POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS TO ADDRESS FLOOD CONTROL NEEDS IN THE AREA, UH, BY, UH, SENDING OUT THESE NOTICES? WE WOULD CHECK, YES.
UM, IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, THE CIP, UH, FROM THE DRAINAGE STUDY, UM, WE COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR OTHER FEMA, UH, RANTS, SUCH AS, UH, UH, UH, THEIR FLOOD MITIGATION PROGRAM OR THEIR BRICK PROGRAM, WHICH IS A NEW PROGRAM.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE FUNDING THROUGH FUTURE, UH, UM, UM, FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FROM THIS, UH, SAME GRANT AGAIN, UH, THE FAME OF PROGRAM, UH, WHICH IS THEIR FLOOD MITIGATION, UH, PROGRAM.
UH, THIS YEAR IS $160 MILLION.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR ANY OF THAT THIS YEAR, BUT THIS WOULD A COUNTY WIDE STUDY WOULD PUT US IN A POSITION TO APPLY FOR FUTURE YEARS.
UH, THE BRIDGE STUDY, WHICH IS A 500 MILLION, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, COORDINATING WITH STEVE TO POSSIBLY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION ON THIS EVEN THIS YEAR.
I'VE GOT FREESE AND NICHOLS HERE TO HELP ME ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THROUGH THIS IS JUST TO GATHER DATA SO WE CAN APPLY FOR GRANTS LATER DOWN THE ROAD.
TRY TO WHEN ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS, RIGHT.
UH, UH, QUANTIFY AND YOU KNOW, WHAT FLOODING ISSUES WE HAVE, WE INSTINCTIVELY KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE.
UH, THE COMMISSIONERS PROVIDED FREESE AND NICHOLS, QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION.
WE, WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR BRIDGE APPLICATION, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SCORED SO HIGH.
SO WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD COME OUT OF THIS FLOOD STUDY IS, UH, AUTOMATICALLY WE WOULD HAVE A CIP PROGRAM, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT WOULD HAVE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED ON IT TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL PROJECTS, UH, THROUGH THEIR PROGRAM.
UM, THAT WOULD BE ONCE ONE STEP.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, UH, IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, UH, THINGS LIKE, UH, UH, CROSSTREK, UH, CULVERTS THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT WE COULD WOULDN'T THAT BE CONSIDERED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
UH, ON THE LOAN THING, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF REPAYMENT ON THE LOAN 0%? WE HAVE OUR OWN SPECIALISTS.
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THEM THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS.UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE TERMS OF THIS POINT, BUT THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE STATE REVOLVING FUND.
YOU HAVE APPLIED FOR THOSE IN THE PAST.
UM, BUT IT'S AT LEAST THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD PAY FOR THAT OUT OF, OUT OF COUNTY COSTS, IF WE COULD QUALIFY FOR THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A FULL SESSION.
IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL PROVIDE ALL THIS BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND THAT FINANCIAL BACKUP TO EXPLAIN THE WARD, HOW THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERING.
THERE'S A SERIES OF PHASES JUST FOR THAT WEEK TO SEND THOSE DETAILS ON THE TERMS THAT YOU ALL AGREED.
IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO TAKE IT OUT OF OUR NEVER SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY WHEN YOU SPEND SOME MONEY ELSEWHERE.
WHAT DO YOU ENVISION AS REALLY THE SCOPE OF THIS PARTICULAR STUDY AND, AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, HOW IT INTERFACES WITH THE SHITTY YES.
UM, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT ESSENTIALLY IS TO COVER THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
WE'RE DOING THIS AT A WATERSHED LEVEL.
SO WE HAVE ALL THE WATERSHEDS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, OUR STUDY WOULD BASICALLY BE A HYDRAULIC SIMULATION THAT WE SET UP SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY HOTSPOTS OF FLOODING AT A LARGE SCALE.
THEN ONCE, ONCE WE DO THAT, THE SCOPE ALSO PROVIDES FOR A SERIES OF ALTERNATIVES TO FIX THE ISSUES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED.
UM, RIGHT NOW I REALLY, WE HAVE BETWEEN 10 OR 15 SITES THAT YOU WOULD GO IN MORE DETAIL.
SO YOU WOULD PROVIDE SOME ALTERNATIVES AND SOME COSTS ESTIMATES FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
THOSE WOULD BECOME YOUR CIP TYPE PROJECTS, UM, OUT OF THIS STUDY.
AND THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT THEN WOULD PUT YOU IN POSITION TO APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS.
UM, BECAUSE AS WE WERE DISCUSSING BEFORE, AT THIS POINT, WE MAY NOT HAVE THIS ENOUGH DATA TO APPLY FOR THIS OTHER PROGRAMS, BUT THE STUDY WILL PUT YOUR IN A VERY GOOD POSITION FOR NEXT, FOR THE NEXT ROUND NEXT YEAR.
AND ALSO FOR THE STATE FLOOD PLANNING, WHICH STARTS ALSO THIS COMING YEAR.
UM, ONCE THAT GETS GOING, UH, AT THE STATE LEVEL, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO START HEARING, UM, THE REGIONAL FLOOD GROUPS CALLING THE COUNTIES AND THE CITIES REQUESTING DATA AND REQUESTING THESE, UM, IDENTIFIED A GNOME PROJECTS.
THEY WOULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE REGIONAL PLANS.
AND THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE TEXAS LEVEL PLANNING, UM, PROJECT THAT IS GOING SO WE'LL WILL HAVE A HEADSTART.
YOU WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE THIS MODEL IN PLACE.
IT'LL PUT YOU IN A VERY GOOD POSITION BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS NOW PROBABLY FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.
THESE REGIONAL PLANNING GROUPS ARE GOING TO BE SET AND START WORKING.
AND THEIR FIRST JOB IS BASICALLY DATA COLLECTION.
THEY NEED TO GO OUT AND SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT STUDIES ARE AVAILABLE.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO START TO ASK QUESTIONS OF, OKAY, GIVE ME SOME INFORMATION, TELL ME WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL PROJECTS.
AND THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN.
ONCE THAT PLAN IS ACCEPTED BY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, ONLY THE PROJECTS THAT ARE INSIDE THAT PLAN WILL BE FUNDED ON FUTURE CYCLES.
THIS YEAR, THE OBLIGATIONS WERE BASICALLY OPEN AND ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, APPLY.
SO YOU HAVE 285 APPLICATIONS THAT WENT IN, IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE RESTRICTED OR ONLY ALLOWS FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THAT PLAN.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY TO HAVE THEIR PROJECTS ALREADY INCORPORATED THERE WHENEVER.
UM, WELL WE GET THE PLAN AND IT'S DEVELOPED KAUFMAN COUNTY IS EVER CHANGING NOW.
I MEAN, WE'RE GROWING LIKE CRAZY.
SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE CONCRETE AND A LOT MORE, THE WATERSHED IS MORE FOR CHANGES.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THAT, BUT THEN ON THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN AND HOW DO YOU TIE THAT INTO THE BUILDERS? USUALLY WHENEVER THEY SUBMIT THE PLATS AND STUFF, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE FLOODING JUST AROUND IN THEIR CLOSE PROXIMITY, BUT IT AFFECTS STUFF DOWNSTREAM.
I KNOW MY PERSONAL PROPERTY FLOODS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT IT USED TO CAUSE ITS OWN LITTLE BRUSHY CREEK, JUST FROM ALL THE DEVELOPMENT OVER IN FORNEY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS YEARS AGO.
SO HOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO TIE INTO EFFECT
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A PROJECT OR AN AREA GROWING LIKE CRAZY AFFECT DOWNSTREAM AND THEN LIKE THE CEDAR CREEK WATERSHED OR SOMETHING THAT'S AN EVER CHANGING OR Y'ALL MORPH THE PLAN AS WE GO, OR IS THIS A ONE PLAN DEAL? AND WE STICK WITH IT? NO, THIS IS DEFINITELY WHAT, WHAT THE, THE STATE IS LOOKING IS TO REPLICATE WHAT THEY DO FOR WATER PLANNING.EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU UPDATE YOUR WATER PLANNING PROCESS WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE DOING IT FOR FLOODING.
SO THIS IS NEW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEW GROUND.
BUT YES, THE IDEA IS TO RENEW THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS AND A VERY CRITICAL ASPECT OF THE PLAN IS PRECISELY ON POLICY IS NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH THIS LIST OF PROJECTS.
THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POLICY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH FOR COLLABORATION BETWEEN CITIES AND COUNTIES.
SO THAT THAT SITUATION IS ADDRESSED AS WELL.
CURRENTLY WE ARE HELPING OTHER OF OUR CLIENTS, OTHER COUNTIES TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN DESIGN CRITERIA OR THEIR OWN POLICIES FOR FLOOD FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT.
AND THAT IS A BIG ASPECT OF THAT.
I KNOW CITIZEN COUNTIES HAVE DIFFERENT SETS OF NEEDS AND DIFFERENT SET OF LEGAL, UM, POWER TO DO THIS TYPE OF, UM, UM, POLICIES.
BUT IN, IN GENERAL, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THESE EFFORTS ARE GONNA START PUSHING CITIES AND COUNTIES TO COLLABORATE MORE AND, AND UNDERSTAND PRECISELY WHO'S DOWNSTREAM OF WHOM AND HOW CAN YOU START SETTING UP THOSE POLICIES SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AT THE CITY LEVEL.
OF COURSE, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE MANY CITIES THAT HAVE VERY STRICT, UM, NO ADVERSE IMPACT POLICIES, WHICH IS WHAT THE, UM, IS VERY COMMON IN THIS REGION WHERE YOU WOULD SIMPLY NOT ALLOW ANY TYPE OF INCREASES IN FLOODING DOWNSTREAM, ANY TYPE OF INCREASES IN WATER SURFACE ELEVATIONS, ANY OF THAT.
UM, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE THAT.
UM, BUT THIS PROCESS WILL DEFINITELY BRING THAT SITUATION INTO THE LIGHT AND SAY, OKAY, HOW DO WE MANAGE THIS? YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S GOING TO KEEP GROWING.
SO THIS FIRST STUDY FOR SURE IS MORE CONCENTRATED ON FINDING THOSE SPOTS, THOSE HOTSPOTS OF PROBLEM AREAS AND GET YOU IN POSITION FOR FUNDING.
BUT THE MORE, THE LARGER SCALE STATE LEVEL FLOOD PLANNING, UM, IS GOING TO ADDRESS MORE THAT ASPECT.
SO IT DEPENDS ON THE REGIONAL PLANNING GROUP THAT CORRESPONDS TO THIS AREA AND WHEN THEY START MOVING.
UM, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE VERY AWARE OF THAT PROCESS AND BEING COMMUNICATION WITH THOSE REGIONAL PLANNING GROUPS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA HELP YOU ON THAT MATTER.
THIS'LL ACTUALLY ESSENTIALLY JUST BE A COMPUTER MODEL, RIGHT? IN OUR CASE, THIS WILL BE A COMPUTER MODEL.
AND SO EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU WOULD GO BACK AND CHANGE THE MAPPING, OR YOU WOULD CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD SHOW THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE CREATED AND ALL THAT, AND THEN RUN THE MODEL AND IT WOULD SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR NEW HOTSPOTS ARE.
IN, IN, IN A, IN A SENSE THIS FIRST STEP IS REALLY KIND OF THE BIG EFFORT INITIALLY TO SET UP FOR THE FIRST TIME THOSE MODELS, UM, WANTS THAT THAT'S IN PLACE.
NOW YOU HAVE A TOOL THAT YOU CAN USE FOR FUTURE EFFORTS AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS DIFFICULT BECAUSE BASICALLY IT WOULD SAY, OKAY, WHERE ARE MY AREAS OF EXPECTED DEVELOPMENT? AND YOU WOULD IDENTIFY THOSE AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S CHANGE THE MODELING PARAMETER TO THE INPUT SO THAT IT REFLECTS THAT INCREASE IN DEVELOPMENT IN SUCH AND SUCH AREAS.
AND YOU CAN RERUN THE MODELS AND SEE HOW THAT CHANGES BETWEEN TODAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE CALL ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE, THEN YOU CAN START COMPARING AND SAY, OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT ARE NOW WORSE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THESE NEW, ALL THEIR AREAS THAT WE WERE NOT EVEN AWARE OF AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
UH, BRINGING THAT DOWN TO A SMALLER LEVEL, REALLY SORT OF IN WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
IF WE HAD A, SOME SORT OF A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GOING IN THE COUNTY, UM, OUTSIDE OF A CITY, WOULD, WOULD THAT MODEL BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH AND USER FRIENDLY ENOUGH THAT SOMEBODY THAT KNEW IT KNEW HOW TO DO IT, COULD ENTER THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO THE MODEL AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS GOING TO BE IN THE, FOR THE STUDY AREA.
OTHER THAN JUST WHAT LIKE COMMISSIONER HOWELL WAS SAYING, THE DEVELOPER LOOKS AT, THEY LOOK AT THEIR, THE IMPACT RIGHT THERE, WHERE THEY ARE, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S IMPACTS DOWNSTREAM.
SO WITH THE MODEL, BE ABLE TO GENERATE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION FOR US WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT A NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF MODELS.
AND THIS ONE THAT WE INCLUDED FOR THIS STUDY
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IS A LARGER SCALE.SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ANALYSIS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
SO IF YOU WANT TO, UM, ANALYZE A VERY PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT OR A SPECIFIC AREA, THE, THE PRECISION OF THE MODEL IS NOT ENOUGH TO CAPTURE THAT YOU WOULD NEED A MORE DETAILED, UM, TYPE OF MODEL THAT INCORPORATES, YOU KNOW, AT A SMALLER SCALE.
AND TO SEE THAT, UM, SO THIS, THIS ONE FOR US, PART OF THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT HIGH LEVEL, UM, TYPE OF ANALYSIS.
UM, YOU WOULD NEED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, THE GRANULAR REALLY TO GO INTO, YOU KNOW, EACH CREEK OR WHAT WE SHOWED THE MAIN CREEKS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED AND YOU WOULD DEVELOP ONE SPECIFICALLY MORE DETAILS.
UM, SO YOU WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IS THERE ANY TIE IN TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THE TRINITY? WHAT IS IT CALLED ENVISION? WHAT THE VISION, THE COMMON VISION, IS THERE ANY TIME OR RELATIONSHIP IN, IN THIS AND THAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING, WE HAVE JOINED THE COMMON VISION PROGRAM.
UH, IT, THAT'S WHY PART OF OUR WATER SHED IS ALREADY UNDER VERY STRICT, UH, REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS NO RISE IN WATER SURFACE.
WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT AS THEY EXPAND THEIR COMMON VISION, IT WILL, UH, INCREASE, UH, THE, UH, UH, OR MOVE IT INTO THE OTHER, UH, FORK OF THE TRINITY SO THAT, UH, UH, WE CAN BEGIN TO HAVE BETTER CONTROL OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THERE, IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS IN MY OPINION, THE ADDITIONAL CONCRETE OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT DOES GIVE US SOME, A BETTER CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE FLOOD.
PLAIN, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROGRAMS, BUT THEY KIND OF PAT TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT, WELL THROUGH COMMON VISION, WE HAVE ACCESS TO FEMA MODELING AND CORE MODEL, RIGHT? UH, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
IS THAT GOING TO HELP AT ALL WITH THAT MODELING IT, IT SHOULD, WILL IT GIVE THEM BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DATA TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, GET THE YES, YES.
AND WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS STUDY, THOSE WERE THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICATION REQUESTS ALSO IS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE EXISTING DATA AND INFORMATION? SO WE KNOW THAT THOSE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND OUR INTENT IS NOT TO USE THIS AND GENERATE A COMPLETELY NEW MODEL.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND THEN OUT OF THAT, GROW INTO AREAS THAT ARE, UM, SAY BLIND SPOTS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN CONNECT THOSE BECAUSE THAT EFFORT IS AT THE SAME LEVEL.
SO WE CAN TAKE THAT AS A STARTING POINT AND WORK OFF OF THAT.
WELL, I THINK, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UH, ALMOST A NO BRAINER THAT WE, THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UH, I'M SURE MIKE WILL ECHO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BUT I MEAN, IT'S VERY, VERY COMMON TO HAVE, UH, AN INCREDIBLE NUMBER OF CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC RELATED TO THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT FLOODING IN THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S ALWAYS A BIT OF A REVELATION TO OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT IN REALITY, THE COUNTY IS REALLY NOT IN THE FLOOD CONTROL BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE ADDRESS FLOODING AS IT ATTACKS OUR ROADS OR AS IT IMPACTS OUR ROADS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF OUR BAR DITCHES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT, BUT, UM, PEOPLE THAT HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILT IN, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, OR, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A POORLY POSITIONED, YOU KNOW, GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION, UH, MORE AND MORE, UH, JUST IN MY TWO YEARS, THEY ARE IMPACTED BY, BY, UH, UPSTREAM RUNOFF AND FLOODING.
SO, UH, AND I DON'T SEE THAT I, YOU KNOW, AS MIKE POINTS OUT THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ANTICIPATED TO CONTINUE AND EXPAND.
SO I THINK WE'RE W WE'D REALLY BE DOING A GREAT SERVICE FOR THE COUNTY ALL THE WAY AROUND IF WE STARTED TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THAT PROBLEM, EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH IN REALITY, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A FLOOD CONTROL FUNCTION, BUT IT SOMETIMES APPEARS TO ME THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO GET DEVELOPED ONE.
I REALLY THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT FLOOD PLAINS AND STUFF.
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IN THE PAST, WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS DID A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DID A LOG.I LEFT DOWN CAUSE THEY'RE THREE HOUSES BEHIND ME THAT THEY CHANGE EVERY TWO YEARS OWNERSHIP BECAUSE THEY REALIZED THEY BOUGHT A FLOOD PLAIN.
AND ALTHOUGH MINE'S PASSIONATE LAND IS FLOODING, YOU GO THROUGH THE BOP WIRE FENCE AND IT'S UP TO THEIR BOTTOM OF THEIR FRONT DOORS OVER THERE.
AND THEY MOVE OUT, THE NEXT PERSON COMES IN AND IT'S NOT SHARED.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S REALLY FOR THE CITIZENS.
IT, IN THE LONG TERM, PEOPLE COME FROM TOWN, THEY MAYBE NOT UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE BUYING ARE.
THE PRICE IS RIGHT, BUT THERE'S A PENALTY TO PAY.
SO DO WE NEED TO, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS OR WHAT SORT OF COMMUNICATIONS OR INTERACTIONS DO WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THE CITIES AND OTHER PARTNERS? YEAH, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THE, THE PROGRAM IS BUILT UPON THE IDEA OF PUSHING FOR COLLABORATION, RIGHT? SO ONE THING WAS TO HAVE A SCALE THAT WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO CALL IT A REGIONAL PLAN.
THAT'S WHY WE WENT, YOU KNOW, COUNTY Y UM, THAT REQUIREMENT IS REALLY JUST FOR THE COUNTY AS THE APPLICANT TO INFORM THE CITIES AROUND.
UM, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING, UM, TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICATION.
ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, IN WHATEVER FORM YOU PREFER.
AND THEN BASICALLY YOU FILL OUT THIS AFFIDAVITS SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S THE EFFORT WE'VE DONE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE BARE MINIMUM, RIGHT? YOU JUST SIMPLY INFORM AND INVITE THEM TO PARTICIPATE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO.
UM, THEY ARE NOT, UM, THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL, UM, UM, CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROJECT.
UM, TYPICALLY WHAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR IS THAT THEY'RE SAYING, LET'S ASK THEM SIMPLY TO PROVIDE HELP WITH INFORMING THE PUBLIC.
FOR EXAMPLE, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS, UM, WITH PROVIDING EXISTING DATA EXISTING STUDIES, THEY MAY HAVE JUST MAKE THEM AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE STUDY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR COLLABORATION, UM, THAT OF COURSE CAN GROW.
AND IF THEY WANT TO BE MORE INVOLVED, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WELCOME TO DO SO, BUT FOR THIS INITIAL STEP AND BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATIONS AND SAY, YES, WE, WE HAVE MADE THE EFFORT AND WE HAVE PROVIDED THEM WITH SUCH AND SUCH, UM, LETTERS INFORMING OF THE PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, AND YOU WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE.
NOW, THE, THE IDEA REALLY IS TO MORE THAN BRING THEM IN, BRING THEM IN AND, AND DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE IDEA BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS WHAT IT'S REALLY PUSHING THIS EFFORT, UM, FOR GETTING THIS FUNDS AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL VERSUS, YOU KNOW, JUST SOLVING PROBLEMS, SPOT LOCATIONS.
NO, JUST BASICALLY THE FORMALITY OF JUST NOTIFICATION.
SO WE CAN CHECK THAT BOX AND THEN WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THOSE CITIES AND OTHERS THAT ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM.
AND I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THOSE LOCATIONS, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE FIND THAT THERE ARE MANY THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OF IMPACT TO A PARTICULAR CITY, THEN MAYBE YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, LET THEM KNOW, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE NOTICING THESE ISSUES IN YOUR AREA.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY SAY, YEAH, WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
SO IT'S THAT COLLABORATION WE'LL START THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL FOR THE LATER STAGES.
WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT SUBMITTING THESE PROJECTS FOR FUTURE FUNDING, ALL THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.
YOU KNOW, HOW HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH THOSE LOCAL COMMUNITIES? THAT'S GOING TO BE OLD PARK CAUSE ALL THIS IS IT'S, UM, UM, IT'S YOU NEED TO COMPETE FOR THESE FUNDS.
RIGHT? SO AS SOLOMON WAS SAYING, THIS PROJECT GOT A VERY HIGH RANKING IN THE FUTURE CYCLES.
THE WAY TO GET THOSE HIGH RANKINGS IS TO HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER, UM, UM, CATEGORIES THAT HELP TO BOOST THE POINTS FOR EACH PROJECT.
SO YES, YOU MIGHT HAVE A VERY S YOU KNOW, A NEED THAT IS ELIGIBLE AND IS A FOR SURE, SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, BUT WHEN YOU START ADDING YET, WE WERE WORKING WITH THIS OTHER CITIES.
WE KNOW WE HAVE THIS ISSUE, THIS AFFECTS SUCH AND SUCH, UM, SCHOOLS OR HOSPITALS.
YOU START GETTING ALL THIS MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
IT BUILDS YOUR CASE, AND IT KEEPS GOING HIGHER AND HIGHER IN YOUR RANKINGS AND GETS YOU IN A BETTER POSITION FOR FUNDING.
AND THE CITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT SPECIFIC THINGS I KNOW THAT THEY CAN SHARE WITH US.
IT'S VERY INTERESTING HOW THEY RANK THE PROJECTS.
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UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE SET OF, OF, OF BOXES THEY CHECK AND THE PERCENTAGES THEY USE.UM, AND A LOT OF THAT FROM OUR EXPERIENCE COMES, WHEN YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AND YOU CAN REALLY SHOW THAT THIS IS A NEED THAT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND IT, THIS, RE-UPS YOUR TYPICAL FUNCTIONING OF THE CITIES, UM, THAT, THAT GETS INTO A MUCH HIGHER RANKING.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? JUST KIND OF WRAP THIS ALL UP, MANAGING THIS PROGRAM.
IT'S THE COUNTY, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD AND MANAGING IT PROGRAM AND COLLABORATING WITH ALL THE CDS.
I MEAN, AS THE APPLICANT, YOU ARE IN CHARGE, RIGHT? YOU ARE IN CHARGE, IT'S GOING TO BE MANAGING AND DOING ALL THE COMMUNICATION, ALL THE CDS AND SHARING THAT INFORMATION AND RETRIEVING INFORMATION AS NEED BE RIGHT.
WE, AS THE CONSULTANTS, IF SELECTED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, WE WOULD HELP CERTAINLY IN THE DATA COLLECTION PROCESS.
AND WE WOULD BASICALLY BE HELPING YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GUIDING YOU AND SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S THE SPECIFIC NEEDS THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE KIND OF CARRYING THE LOAD BEHIND YOU AND YOU GUYS WOULD BE LEADING THE EFFORT.
AND A LOT OF THE LEADING WOULD BE IN THAT COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER PARTNERING ENTITIES AND SIMPLY GUIDING US AS, AS YOUR CONSULTANTS OF WHERE SHOULD WE FOCUS, BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA FIND A LOT MORE AREAS OF CONCERN THAN WE HAVE IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK RIGHT NOW.
WE HAD TO PUT SOME LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF LOCATIONS, UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT $240,000 TOTAL CAME FROM.
YOU KNOW, WE PREPARED THAT SCOPE AND, AND IT'S VERY SCALABLE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN FIND A LOT MORE PLACES, BUT TO GET US GOING WITH, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S DO 10 OR 15.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT WHEN WE START SEEING ALL, ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS START TO POP UP, WE'LL NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU AND SAY, OKAY, WHERE SHOULD WE CONCENTRATE? WHERE DO YOU WANT US TO FOCUS ANYTHING ELSE? UM,
[Special Meeting]
IF THERE'S NOT, I WOULD MOVE JUST DOWN TO THAT THIRD BULLET IN OUR AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE DISCUSSED, CONSIDER MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND 2020 APPLICATION.AND DO WE AGREE THAT THAT MOTION WOULD INCLUDE, APPLY FOR THE A 0% LOAN FROM THE WATER BOARD? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPLY FOR THAT FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE APPLICATION FOR THE 0% LOAN.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
THE MOTION WAS FROM COMMISSIONER KATE'S THE SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[Workshop (Part 2 of 2)]
GO BACK UP TO BULLET NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS KAUFMAN COUNTY SOLID WASTE, HOLLER BONDING.IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LISTENING TO THE TRASH TALK, LITERALLY CRASHED OFF.
AND IF WE HAVE TO ENDURE IT, YOU SHOULD, THIS IS ON YOU.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING TOO MUCH.
NO I'M ENTHUSIASTICALLY IN SUPPORT OF YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO THE MAIN QUESTION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IS HOW TO, HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE TRASH HAULERS IN THE COUNTY, MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, TEARING UP ROADS AND DOING THINGS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR COMMON VISION, PARTICULARLY MULTIPLE TRASH HAULERS ON THE SAME ROADS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL, YOU KNOW, THE REAL PIVOT POINT.
WE LOOKED INTO THE ISSUE OF THE STATE BONDING REQUIREMENT.
WE GOT A RESPONSE BACK FROM DPS THAT SAID, NO ONE IS REGISTERED WITHIN THE LIMITS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.
SO THAT WAS INTERESTING, BUT NOT SURPRISING.
UM, THE REASON I THINK THAT WE FOUND THAT RESULTS IS BECAUSE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF WEIGHT THEY HAVE TO CARRY IN ORDER TO REGISTERS 34,000 TON OR POUNDS.
SO IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH A MOM AND POP OR A SMALL BUSINESS, THAT'S GOT A DUALLY PICK UP AND A TRAILER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT 35,000 POUNDS, ASSUMING THEY'RE EVEN LOOKING AT THAT.
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HAS BEEN MADE THAT WE SET UP SOME SORT OF A REGISTRATION PROGRAM FOR ALL THE COUNTY WASTE HAULERS.I'M JUST ASKING THEM TO APPLY FOR REGISTRATION PERMIT FOR THE COUNTY, GIVING THEM A NOMINAL FEE.
AND THEN WE HAVE AT LEAST A RUNNING LIST OF COMPANIES THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD GET THEM TO IDENTIFY THEIR SERVICE AREAS AND THEN KIND OF NARROW IT DOWN FROM THERE.
UH, WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH THE STATUTES AND I BELIEVE UNDER THE STATUTE SAYS THAT COUNTIES CAN REGULATE WASTE MANAGEMENT WITHIN THEIR COUNTY.
THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO.
UM, I WOULD CAUTION YOU THAT IT'S, UM, IT WOULD BE A COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT RESOLUTIONS.
SO IF THEY REFUSE TO DO IT, THEN THE WORST WE COULD DO IS SUBPOENA THEM IN UNDER THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT POWER TO ANSWER FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND GO FROM THERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS JUST THE BECCA EXPLAIN THE STATE REQUIREMENT OR, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT AT LARGE ABOUT REGISTERING THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS IF YOU'RE CARRYING A LOAD OF 34,000 POUNDS OR MORE, IF YOU'RE HAULING, UM, THAT YOUR, YOUR VEHICLE WEIGHT IS 34,000 POUNDS OR MORE THAN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO REGISTER WITH THE STATE AND PUT IN A, A BOND THAT'S FOR WASTE HAULERS, OR IS IT ANYBODY JUST WASTE HAULERS.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR WASTE.
AND IT'S A MINIMUM BOND OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM BOND, I THINK, OF $75,000.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THEIR REQUIREMENT.
RIGHT? AND LIKE, WHO SETS THAT CRITERIA? HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THEY SHOULD REGISTER WITH A THOUSAND OR 75,000? WELL, THE MAIN THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE STATE IS, WOULD GIVE THEM IS MY GUESS.
IF YOU'RE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, 50 TRUCKS AT 34,000 POUNDS OR MORE, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY PUSH YOU ON THE, YOU NEED A BOND OF 75,000.
IF YOU'RE RUNNING A SINGLE TRUCK, PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE ONE WHO, SO WHO SETS THAT? NO, THE STATE, YEAH.
AND REMEMBER, IT'S JUST A BOND, SO IT'S NOT AN INSURANCE POLICY OR ANYTHING.
YOU CAN MAKE A CLAIM AGAINST THE BOND.
I THINK IT'S JUST, YEAH, NO, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A BOND IT'S THROUGH ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH SOMETHING.
AND THE GPS PROBABLY MONITORS IT A LOT CLOSER ON THE HIGHWAYS AND BYWAYS THAN, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD ON COUNTY ROAD.
IT IS APPLICABLE TO A COUNTY ROAD IT'S APPLICABLE TO MUNICIPAL ROAD, BUT THEY CERTAINLY, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE DPS RUNNING DOWN 41 OH SIX, BUT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY POST A BOND, BUT YOU CAN NEVER TOUCH THE BOND.
YOU CAN MAKE A CLAIM AGAINST, YOU CAN MAKE A CLAIM AGAINST THE BOND, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE LIABLE.
THAT COMPANY IS LIABLE FOR THOSE.
BUT YOU SAID AN EYE WITNESS WOULD PROBABLY QUALIFY FOR THE BOND COMPANY PAY OFF.
WELL, BUT HERE'S, THE DEAL IS DAMAGE TO THESE ROADS ARE BEING CAUSED BY THE WISE TODDLERS, THE HEAVY ONES.
THERE'S NO DOUBT, BUT THAT'S OVER TIME.
I MEAN, IF YOU DROP AN AXLE AND YOU KNOW, YOUR WHEELS FALL OFF AND YOU TEAR UP THE ROAD THIS EASY TO PROVE.
BUT I DON'T US BEING ABLE TO PROVE THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS USING THE ROAD TOO, ALONG WITH THE WASTE HAULERS IN THIS SCHOOL BUSES, AND THAT'D BE TOUGH TO TRY TO, I COULD CLAIM ON THE BOND.
IT WOULD BE VERY FAST IN OUR, IN OUR PRECINCT.
IT'S VERY COMMON FOR THE NATURE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, VERY RURAL ROADS FOR THE WASTE HAULERS TO, TO REPETITIVELY GO DOWN A ROAD TO A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A ROUTE AND THEY, THEY STOP AT A CERTAIN PLACE.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO TURN AROUND TO GO BACK OUT THAT ROUTE.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF INSTANCES WHERE IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS LOOP.
LIKE THEY GO DOWN TO THE END OF A DEAD END ROAD, SIX MILES LONG.
AND THEY, THEY HAVE BACK IN AND OUT OF DRIVEWAYS AND, AND ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS BE THERE BECAUSE ALL THAT BACK AND THAT, THAT, UH, FRONT TIRE SLIDING OF THE, OF THE TANDEM AXLES, IT, IT SHREDS THE ROAD.
AND SOME CASES MAY BE EASIER, BUT YOU JUST GOTTA HAVE THE PRO CAMERAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ONE OF THE, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS WOULD DO JUST AS A SIDE BENEFIT, I THINK, UH, IT WAS, IT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF THE COUNTY HAS SOLID WASTE RESPONSIBILITY.
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR LANDFILLS AND ALL THAT AND ENVIRONMENTAL ROD NOW, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO'S HAULING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH IT 18 OR 19 AT A PRECINCT FOUR ALONE.AND I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY A DIFFERENT SET OF 18 OR 19 AND PRECINCT ONE.
AND THE ONE THING YOU COULD DO ON YOUR REGISTRATION IS WE COULD HAVE A FORM WHERE WE ASK THEM LIKE WHAT THEIR, HOW MANY TRUCKS THEY HAVE, WHAT THE WEIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN ESTIMATION OF THEIR ROUTES, WHO THEY SERVICE.
I MEAN, WE COULD TRY TO GET SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE, THAT WE ARE LACKING.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL US WHO THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE, WHERE THEY COULD TELL US WHAT ROADS THEY'RE OPERATING ON.
THAT'S HOW OFTEN THEY GO DOWN THEN.
I MEAN, IT WOULD GIVE THEM YEAH.
AND I THINK JUDGE, I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, W WE HAVE A LOT OF DUMPING ISSUES, UM, AROUND THE COUNTY AND, AND, UH, AND WE REALLY HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A HANDLE WHATSOEVER ON WHERE'S THE SOLID WASTE GOING, YOU KNOW, IS, IS IT, IS IT ALL GOING TO THE MCCOMAS LANDFILL OR IS IT GOING TO SOME, UM, UNKNOWN, PRIVATE LAND? UH, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION THAT YOU COULD ASK THEM, WHERE DO YOU JUST DISPOSE OF YOUR SOLID WASTE THAT YOU PICK UP? I MEAN, I THINK THOSE ARE SOME, AND, AND, UH, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M BEING UNREALISTIC, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE, I WOULD IMAGINE MOST OF THE WASTE HAULERS ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPERLY DISPOSING OF THEIR WASTE, BUT THAT PUTS THEM AT THE ONES THAT ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
IT PUTS THEM AT A VERY COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIPPING COSTS ARE TO LANDFILL, BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT CHEAP.
AND SO, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE HAVING TO COMPETE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT PROPERLY DISPOSING OF THAT WASTE, THAT PUTS YOU AT A BIG DISADVANTAGE.
I WOULD THINK THE MAJORITY GOOD OPERATORS, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T MIND PROVIDING US WITH SOME BASIC INFORMATION SO WE CAN, AND I THINK WE CAN WEED OUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED AT HOW CLOSE WE QUICKLY REACHED THAT 34,000 POUND, UH, YOU KNOW, A BIG DULY TRUCK WITH A TANDEM AXLE, BIG DUMP TRAILER.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HALFWAY THERE PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND DEPENDING ON THE, YOU KNOW, AND THE TRAILERS THAT I SEE THAT WE HAVE IN MY PRECINCT, THEY FREQUENTLY HAVE HIGH SIDEBOARDS.
SO, UH, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE WON'T HIT THAT 34,000 POUND MARK PRETTY QUICKLY.
I KNOW THAT, UH, I, IT SURPRISED ME ON ONE OF THE COUNTY CLEANUPS, I WAS TALKING TO THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY'RE STARTING TO BRING IN THESE GIANT COMPACTING TRUCKS, THE ONES WITH THE EXTRA AXLE FOR OVERWEIGHT, BUT ONE OF THOSE COMPACT TRUCKS, THEY CAN GET NEARLY THREE DUMPSTERS, TWO AND A HALF TO THREE DUMPSTERS OF TRASH PACKED INTO THOSE THINGS.
SO IF, IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY THAT WAS, DIDN'T WANT TO OFFLOAD OR TRY TO GET MORE IN THE BIG COMPANIES THAT HAVE THOSE TRUCKS, IF YOU SEE THE TRIPLE AXLES WITH THE AXLE UP AND YOU SEE THEM WITH THEM DOWN THERE, THEY'RE OVERLOADED, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE HAVING TO PUT DOWN THAT OTHER AXLE.
SO I, I, I CAN AGREE WITH HAVING A LIST OF OUR VENDORS, KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHERE THEY'RE TAKING IT.
AND THEN, SO, SO WE CAN KIND OF START WITH, WE'RE COLLECTING DATA ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CANDIDATE.
THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHERE OUR NEXT STEP IS OR WHAT OUR NEXT MOVE.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE AS SIMPLE AS THE BIG COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, ALL PROMOTING, PROVIDING SMALL.
MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE RESTRICTIONS WHERE THIS IS THE LIMIT OF THE TRUCK.
AND I, WE SKIED WAS HERE CAUSE HE KNOWS THIS WORLD, BUT IF YOU HAD A SMALLER TRUCK TO MAKE THE ROUTES AND YOU ALL FLOATED IT ASIDE AND YOUR BIG TRUCKS CARRIED IT TO THE LANDFILL AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP THE BIGGER TRUCKS THAT ARE OVERLOADED, ESPECIALLY OFF OF OUR ROADS.
MESQUITE ACTUALLY, THAT'S A TYPICAL, UH, YOU KNOW, TRASH OPERATION IS THAT THEY HAVE TRANSFERRED POINTS.
AND THE CITY OF MOSQUITO IS ACTUALLY, UH, MENTIONED TO ME THAT THERE THEY WOULD, THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN BUILDING A TRANSFER STATION ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH MIGHT EVEN BE IN THE COUNTY.
SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THE CITY.
SO THEY'D HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO, BUT THAT THERE COULD BE, IT COULD BE A GOOD THING FOR THESE WASTE HAULERS TO NOT HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO FAIRS OR WHATEVER THEY COULD, IF THEY COULD, FOR A FEE, IF THEY COULD TRANSFER THAT WASTE AT A, AT A TRANSFER STATION.
THAT COULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE SO WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.
I JUST THINK COLLECTING THE DATA IS NOT A BAD THING, INFORM AND PASS
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A RESOLUTION IN COURT FOR THE AMOUNT AND THE FORM, THEN WE COULD REALLY START ON OUR WAY TO.AND I, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP, JUST, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAY, JUST TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION SO WE CAN KIND OF SCOPE THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET LESS, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMING YEARS IT'S ONLY GONNA, YOU KNOW, SOLVE A VOICE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND EVEN COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE HOLDING IN KAUFMAN COUNTY IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE.
SO, UH, PEOPLE, THE MORE TRASH, UM, OKAY.
SO W UH, I GUESS, UH, I WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THIS THAT WE WANT TO PUT THIS ON OUR, ON AN UPCOMING, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND UPCOMING AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND I ALSO, IT GOES BACK TO THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED HIM, I MEAN, WE GOT TO HAVE MANAGEMENT OF THIS PROGRAM AND WE CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT.
AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER WHO'S IN CHARGE OF SOLID WASTE RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S, WHAT'S DISTURBING ME HERE RIGHT NOW.
SO, BUT, BUT SERIOUSLY, WE NEED TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I MEAN, YOU GET A LOT OF DATA COMING IN AND A LOT OF KEEPING TRACK WITH, YOU KNOW, THESE PERMITS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SO HOPEFULLY, YEAH.
YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT YOU WANT TO COLLECT THAT DATA.
WELL, I THINK THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE JUST NEED TO TALK ABOUT AS A COMMISSIONER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MIKE, I MEAN, MIKE KNOWS THAT I'VE, I'VE COMMENTED TO HIM THAT I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, AND I COMMEND HIM FOR HAVING STEPPED UP AND TAKEN ON OUR SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT OVERSIGHT.
BUT AT SOME POINT WE REALLY PROBABLY NEEDED TO INSTITUTIONALIZE THAT PROGRAM AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE BEST VESTED WITH AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUGHT TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
I KNOW SOUNDED WEISS WE'VE CHANGED THE COURSE.
WE STARTED SOMETHING NEW AND THIS KIND OF MORPHED INTO WHAT IT IS.
AND I MEAN JUST THE NUMBERS AND STUFF, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOVING THIS MONTHLY CLEANUP.
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY GOING WELL, IF IT'S GOING TO GROW, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT, THE PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO GET BETTER.
SO WITH THAT, THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO GROW AND, YOU KNOW, SO W WE'LL PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND IT'S NOT OVERWHELMING.
IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW, IT'S EASY FOR FELICIA NOW TO TAKE CARE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN USE WHAT'S BETWEEN PAM'S EARS, BECAUSE SHE HAS THE CONTACTS FOR GRANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO MORPH INTO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE EASE INTO IT OVER TIME.
THERE ARE A LOT OF GRANTS AVAILABLE EVEN TO DOING LIKE THROUGH THE COG.
AND I'M SURE PAM KNOWS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, BUT YEAH, THAT'S ONE THING THAT CAME UP IS WE WANT TO WATCH THOSE DEADLINES BECAUSE IN 2021, EXPLORING THERE WILL BE SOME SUBSTANTIAL GRANT AVAILABLE THAT WE NEED TO APPLY FOR.
I THINK FOR LIKE A COUNTY TRASH SYSTEM, THERE, THERE ARE JUST, I JUST SAW THAT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE.
SO WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
SO WE'LL PUT IT ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA.
UH, I'LL COORDINATE THAT WITH Y'ALL WHENEVER YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET IT WRITTEN UP THE WAY WE NEEDED IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT SINCE, UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS NOT HERE, WOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN COMMISSIONER HAS, OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSION CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, WE'RE ADJOURNED.